Nov. 12/25 - Science Bob & Friends

Dr. Bob McGwier, known as 'Science Bob' around the UFO world and Spaced Out Radio, joins us to discuss everything from Disclosure to Telepathy. As we were also joined by long time scientist, Dr. Simeon Hein, who believes there's something on the quantum level where everything from aliens to Bigfoot can communicate telepathically to help get our attention.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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for you tonight. Science Bob and Friends returns after Sleepy
Bob took plart last month and missed the show. Yeah,

(02:55):
we like to give Science Bob a hard time when
that happens, but we love doctor Robert McGuire around here,
and our special guest with him, doctor Simeon Hine. We
will get to them momentarily. Then in hour number three,
Swamp Dweller will kick things off, Katie Page will be
here for the experience, and we'll get to the weird
news of the week. So let's get right to it here.

(03:17):
Why not? That's what we do on this show. Science
Bob has been doing this show for a long time.
We call him doctor Bob Aguire. He's a former Agency affiliate.
He is formerly a Virginia Tech university. This man has
been there, done that, and done everything to do with science, space, technology,
and even some black operations. He comes in each and

(03:41):
every month to discuss the scientific side of what's going
on outside of the woo, What, where, when, and why
why do we do it? Well, let's bring him on
in Science Bob. How you doing, my friend? Good to
have you here.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Couple of minutes rest, not working eighteen hour days writing
ten billion lines of code. So I might even stay
away tonight. Well that's especially since Simeon's here, gonna He's
gonna put the voodoo on me if I don't stay awake.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Simmey and Hyde. It is always great to have you
on spaced out Radio. How you doing, my friend?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Hey guys, how's it gone tonight? Thanks for having me here.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Very good. Now, there's a lot going on in the
UFO world. There's a lot going on in the world
of the esoterics, the phenomenology of it all, and science, Bob,
I want to get to a quick disclosure part, because
I know you want to get into a lot of
stuff over the next couple of hours with doctor Simmey
and Hine regarding remote viewing, consciousness and everything in between.

(04:47):
I had Steve Bassett on the show last night from
the Paradigm Research Group. He is steadfast and I love
the man. You know, he is so true to his
cause about trying to bring DISCLO over. But he believes
it's right around the corner, right around the corner, right
around the corner. And I don't mean to demean Steve,
because he's a good man. He's a very good man,

(05:10):
passionate about his subject. But here we have people like
Carl Nell and others basically saying disclosure is dead, let's
get over it, it's done, gone, goodbye. But Steve seems
to think otherwise. So we haven't had you on in
a while, Bob, because you know last month you weren't
feeling very well, so you knotted off and didn't wake

(05:33):
up until the next day. Your thoughts on the disclosure
movement is it dead or are we running on fumes?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So the disclosure that was clearly being orchestrated by whatever
inside involving people we saw all the time, that is
not really going forward. So there is there is this
stuff coming out. And I don't know whether you listen

(06:06):
to Jeremy and George or not. I listened to Jeremy
and George and doctor James Lukaski was part of the
Legacy program and he is telling them in their latest
podcast what is going to come out? And furthermore, the

(06:27):
most startling thing he told said to us is human
abilities that people are not aware of will be coming out,
like the stuff that Simeon knows that I know and

(06:47):
I live with and have happened all the time and
work at. It's real and the government knows it and
they're finally going to admit it. Because the reason I
say they and say government is Jim Lekowski. He is
so government. He wears a pressed white dress shirt every

(07:12):
time you see him in public. And he's just will
not deviate from his dopts or approved lines. And so
I tell you I and he he caused the programs
to be started with Harry Reid. He hired Jay Stratton,

(07:34):
who began UAPDA. Lakatski has been the power behind the
throne on stuff for quite a long time, except for
the oldest legacy part that has roswell crashed materials. But
Lakatski has said, with government approval, we have a craft

(08:00):
and we've been inside it. And he will say nothing else.
It is that's disclosure, Dave.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, I I get that. I get that, But is
it disclosure, Bob when somebody that nobody knows about the
subject because the majority of the population doesn't know. And
I'm not putting down the words. I'm playing devil's advocate here, Okay, No.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, here's here's here's what what I call what I
call disclosure.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Is.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Donald Trump comes out to the podium and he's got
a clearly prepared teleprompter speech and he says, we have
been hiding world changing technology. We've been hiding terrific energy
sources and the ability to travel fast to other stars

(08:58):
and I apologize, but we did it because we were
sure we were going to go to war with the
Soviet Union. That's number one and number two. Uh, these drones,
I think they're electro gravitic craft being plown by China,
going fu and daring us.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's not surprising, doctor Siemi and Heine. What is your
opinion on the disclosure movement because it seems to be divided. Yeah, well, I.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I agree with what Bob said.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
I was gonna mention the Lakatski interview with Corbella and
Knapp and if anyone hasn't listened to it, you got
to listen to that in I don't know if part
two is out there's going to be a part two.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Maybe it's already both parts are out.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
There, Okay.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
I was waiting for part two because I mean, Lakatski
really lays it out. He's saying as much as he
can say without risking lifelong imprisonment. He's telling you we've
got the craft, that there is a disinformation disclosure movement
going along the real disclosure movement. And if you had

(10:16):
Steve Bassetton, I didn't hear it last night, you know,
I was at his wonderful event, the Citizen Hearing on
Disclosure in twenty thirteen at the National Press Club.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yes, and for anyone listening, you would have flipped over this.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
It was five days long. It was free because it
was at the National Press Club. All you have to
do is find somewhere in DC nearby to stay and
you could just show up every day and listen to
eight hours of we can't call it actually testimony under
oath because they could not get any sitting senators or

(10:51):
congress people to attend. They tried, and everyone said, no,
this is going to affect our career at versely, you
know the usual BS Washington line about affecting their career
and all this. So they paid you know, retired congress
people and gravel Mike Gravell, Senator from oliveformer and they

(11:13):
did a mock hearing and it was just amazing. So
Steve Bassett assembled all these wonderful witnesses, just like Steve
Greer had done twelve years earlier in two thousand and one,
and just to listen the cumulative effect of listening to
one witness after the other after the other, people from

(11:36):
you know, from the military, from the FAA, people who
had been different incidents around the world. There was a
whole contingency of folks from Latin America, military from Brazil.
I believe it was Peru, Iran, Yeah, yeah, different countries.

(12:01):
They spoke about the Iranian incident and all these other
and it was the Cumulati effect was very strong. Now,
the thing is c SPAN never turned the cameras on.
They could have turned that on for fifteen minutes. There
are multiple cameras in that room that are remotely controlled.
They chose at the time not to let the American
people see the massive amount of information. So I understand,

(12:25):
Dave why Steve was so optimistic at the time. I mean,
he told me at the event, we need to wait
till the press trucks are out there for me to
feel like this is really successful. But these things don't
happen overnight. We're talking about one hundred years of cover
up here. It's not going to get reversed in one decade.

(12:47):
But I think we're making a lot of progress. And
I think Lakatski affirmed that in his interview with Nap
and Corbel, that the information is coming out.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
He's the that knows about this.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
How put off set the same thing to us at
twenty eighteen. I mean, he was laying it out there
how these craft work meta materials and their ability to
shift the electromagnetic constants of space and change their own
speed of light, why we get this blue shift? And
that was at the sec IRVA meeting, and it was

(13:24):
amazing to hear him say, as OSAP's lead scientists working
along with Lukatski, how much they knew about these craft
and how much they didn't know, and how much Just
like Lakatski, he was not allowed to say. He was
only allowed to talk about the business magnesium layered meta materials.
He told us he couldn't talk about any other materials,

(13:45):
and there was so much he said, I can't talk
about it when you have all these people with that
level of credibility saying well, this is what.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I can tell you, but I can't tell you the
rest of it.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Like the other ninety five percent that tells you, Dave,
we're just at the very beginning of this process, the
very beginning. We haven't seen the major witnesses yet, we
haven't seen the physical evidence before our eyes.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I've spoken to some of these people.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
And they have the same demeanor of Lakatski, people who've
seen these you know, materials, these alien extraterrestrial vehicles wherever
they're from. There's so much they've told me, but they can't.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Go public with it.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
So I know, just like Bob does, how much is
left to come out. And it's a time and we
only we've just we're just skirting the service. But once
that damn breaks, my feeling is is that it's gonna
come forward like a little leak in a damn that
starts wrecking the whole damn, just like Bob suggested. And

(14:55):
it very well could be our current president who comes forward.
He might be the person who's not beholden to anyone,
who just comes forward and says what's going on. And
I don't know when that day is going to be,
but I think it's coming. It's coming towards us in
the next couple of years.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Easy, easy, all of that.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But right now, right Nowaday, you and I can arrange
in an hour to go to a place where we
can see craft and military helicopters clearly, craft of triangles,
et cetera coming out of the ground from a deep

(15:37):
underground military base. We know where to go, We know
how to see it, and so that with all the
stories that we know, you and I know are true,
and but just like and I cannot say things that
I learned on the job, and I'm not going to look.

(16:00):
I mean, look, I was. My security clearance got put
on hold in twenty twenty and stayed that way for
a while, and I was told it was going to
stay that way in twenty twenty two, so I knew
that within a year it would have expired. What they

(16:25):
wanted to do was to prevent the six or seven
different entities that wanted me to come study habana syndrome
with them, because they knew I knew where it came from,
and I knew who they had experimented on, and I
was in the place when it was experimented on us.

(16:46):
I know who did habana syndrome. And they don't want
anybody told the truth. The Director of National Intelligence said
they found no foreign intelligence service involved, and they don't
know what it is, just a ball faced lie. So
so they kept my security clearance on hold until that

(17:08):
document came out from a d and I and I
found out in the last month that my security clearance
has automatically renewed. My polygraph is good for another year
and a half, and I've been cleared the whole time.
They just put it on hold to prevent me from talking.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Oh, Bob, You're just You're just a wild man, absolute
wild man.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm not playing their effing games anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Uh, I understand that. I mean, I guess you know.
There is a push for people to have the disclosure happen.
I mean there is. We all want it. I want
it too, you know, I want to know the truth.
But the question is what disclosure. Is it going to
be a healthy disclosure or an extremely covered up disclosure?

(18:06):
If it goes that.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Far they've covered up. Yeah, I don't think we will. Look,
I'm going to tell you, you and I can go
to this place we know about, and we can see
that we have a secret space force and we're working
with the non human intelligence to operate that secret space force.

(18:27):
Because you can't have dozens and dozens and dozens of
these craft coming out of a hole in the ground
in a state in the United States of America with
military vehicles and not have a program with them. We
are working together with them, and you and I and
others can see it.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, And I agree with you. I know what you're
talking well, but there's a lot of people out there
would be like, where's the proof, Bob, where's the proof.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I don't care. I don't care. I know what I know.
And that's that.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Same in your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Yes, I think you know, when you look back in history,
you don't know how history.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Is going to unfold.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
There is no way from where you are right now
to understand what's coming at you. And just as an example,
in nineteen eighty nine, I worked at a research institute
in Vienna, Austria called the assa In International Institute for
Applied Systems Analysis. It was like this East West institute
formed between Nixon and Brezhnev to try to create some

(19:37):
you know, positive interaction between the Soviet Union in the
US with science. And I worked with a lot of
Soviet scientists. There are some people you know, in PhD
programs and stuff. That was the summer when the whole
thing started to fall apart for the East Bloc. East
Germany started to unravel and dissociate itself from the Soviet Union.

(19:59):
And I'll tell you no one there saw it coming.
The East Germans there told me how comfortable it was
to live in East Germany if you were kind of
higher up within the party structure there, the Communist party structure,
life was good. They had no idea their society was
coming to an end within five months, and no one
in our intelligence agencies predicted it either.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Bob can tell you that they didn't see it coming.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
What happened was the East German people got sick and
tired of it, and some misinformation came out from an
Italian newspaper about border guards at the wall letting East
Germans through, and everyone piled up at the wall that
night thinking they could get through. So many people showed up,
there weren't enough security guards to restrain them, and that

(20:45):
was the night it really kind of East Germany ended
because they just had to let them through. And it
was based on incorrect information, but people were ready for
a change.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
When people are.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Really ready for a change, history moves forward and no
one can stop it.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
And that's what's going to happen with the UFO.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Uap et Alien Multiverse phenomena, whatever this is we're dealing with.
And it's no one's fault that there's been a lot
of misinformation pumped into this whole area at the same time.
I've been going to conferences about this topic since nineteen
ninety seven, okay, and I have heard so many lecturers,

(21:24):
and I'm sure some of it was total bs, but
there's a kernel of truth behind it.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
And you run into these fascinating.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Witnesses, not the speakers, people who came forward to you
told you what they had seen. And I've been hearing
from these people for thirty years, and I can tell
you the reverse engineering projects are embedded within Fortune five
hundred companies in highly classified programs. All the major chemical
and engineering companies you know about a lot of them

(21:54):
have these hidden programs within them, including a NASA JPL.
It's embedded within our society and it's just been a
highly classified, hidden topic. And from speaking with these people,
they've told me they're really afraid they could face severe
punishment from the US government.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
One of them told me if he went and hid
in the.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Deepest ice steps of Siberia, they would find him, if
he talked to him what.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
He knew, and kill him for a while. I don't
know if the murder is still happening, but I think
things might be.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, these witnesses want to come forward and we haven't
heard from them yet. The witnesses we've heard from in
these congressional hearings, we've heard from a few. I would
imagine there thousands and thousands more that could tell us
what they've seen if they were given permission by Congress
and told there would be no legal repercussions. So, Dave,

(22:55):
I think that's what we're waiting for. But that's I
kind of feel like Bob does. I've heard so many
people tell me so many things from these inside of
these programs, people that have seen the bodies, okay, in
so many words, as they've told me in different facilities
I've been hearing about this. I've heard enough. I want

(23:17):
to know what these people are encountering for the last
several decades, going back to the sixties.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
What type of life.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Forms did they see? And what are these craft made of?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
How do they work?

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Are we even capable of understanding how these craft work?
Because I have heard when you look at them under
an electron microscope, that each individual atom has been engineered
in a nano particle way, a nanoscopic way, which we
don't have the technology to do yet.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
So we're talking about atomic.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Level engineering to induce a quantum effect that changes the
structure of space time. That's my best way of understanding it.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
That and some of the craft are alive and conscious.
Yeah right, and they interact with them telepathically. I mean, look,
this is Look. I want an end to the secrecy
about the reality of the universe. I want to know
the physics I want I want to change society where
there's no more want, need or fear. If we get that,

(24:23):
I don't care if they ever tell us about an alien.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
On that note, we're gonna go to break Science Bob
and Friends with Doctor Bob Acguire special guest doctor Simeon Hine.
We're gonna see where Science Bob takes this one. When
we returned for the second half hour of Spaced Out Radio,
stay tuned. Everybody, all right, we're clear.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Well, we were on fire for that half hour.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I had to stir it up right off the bat.
Let's get her going.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Hey, David, there's a question here in the comments. Did
Jimmy page by Alistair Crowley's house?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah he did, he did.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Okay, there you go, Doug. Speaking as a Zeppelin fan.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hi, Purple Cupfish.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I listened to Led Zeppelin and watched Jimmy Page youtubes,
et cetera every day.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
And I think I think he ended up selling some
of it or some piece of property to Kurt Hammett
from Metallica, who's a big Jimmy Page and Alistair Crowley fan.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
Well, I I was in the UK on a crop
Circle tour and at our hotel in Wiltshire, I overheard
these folks talking that had run into some of the
women groupies of Zeppelin who had spent a long time
with them, and one of them had inherited Jimmy Page's
apartment in London that was their for being a groupie

(26:14):
for a long period of time. And this person had
been inside this apartment and it was filled with Alistair
Crowley type stuff. Jimmy Page had to get his sparks somewhere.
I think he even talked about it a little bit.
So so that is a little connection to some of
Jimmy Page's real estate in the UK. But you know

(26:38):
that he's quite an impressive figure. I mean, all these
years and he's still out there talking and I'm sure
there'll be some concerts again at some point.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Oh let me tell you that without Alistair Crowley we
wouldn't have JPL.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Is that right? How's that, bubb.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Because because Parsons was a Crowley fanatic and he did
Babylon workings and other things and had all sorts of
incantations to make the rocket engines work. Whoa, that is
a wild story.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Now wait a minute, they did. They did those type
of incantations together.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yes, would go read the history and Peter Labnda knew it.
I mean, this is just seriously, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
There's a Zeppelin connection to the space.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Program indirectly because Crowley was was followed closely by Parsons.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
I well, there's another indirect connection here because my first
concert ever was led Zeppelin in Madison Square Garden in
nineteen seventy seven. Wow, fourteen year old my mom let
my brother take me to see Zeppelin. That was my
very first concert ever. So this is sort of you
know why I'm like this, that's all.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
They literally changed the music world with that one concert.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Yeah, it was amazing to see four people have that
much energy and almost control over twenty thousand.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Fans at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
The amount of energy they could generate, and it's going
where we're talking Bob to me.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
That was like evos. I didn't know what the term.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Then it was like some other energy was present there
that defied ordinary physics.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
You could feel it and perhaps.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Well a lot of people don't know. Remember when Bonham
died led Zeppelin ended. Yeah, that's because inside the musical
playing Bonham was the leader in every performance.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Yeah, his drums in concert I can still hear it.
It was like thunderous he played those drums. I think
he used like stick big sticks or something, and he
got such volume out of those drums. Yeah, I could
totally understand, kind of like Neil Peart.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh goodness, Neil Neil was the greatest rock drummer that
ever picked up a stick and not I mean people
know he wrote all the Rush song lyrics he did.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
He was quite the talent, that's for sure. We got
about a minute to go here.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We might as well do ebos in the second half
of the time.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
No, but Bob, honestly, I think as a fourteen year
old I really got some curiosity about some unseen reality
at that Zeppelin concept.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't know something.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Else going on that I couldn't consciously grasp, but you
could feel it, like a chi energy or call it
what charge clusters.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
You could feel it from the sound.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
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Science Bob. Around here, we are joined by the legendary
doctor Simeon Hine, special guest Science Bob. Thank you for
joining us.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Ah, I'm very very happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Where do you want to take Simeon? Which direction are
we going here?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Okay, So Simeon and I have talked because every time
he's been here, in and around about the physics of
Ken's shoulders and exotic vacuum objects, et cetera. But Simeon
recently did a program where he is now making the

(32:10):
hypothesis proposal whatever that Ken's shoulders what most people besides
people in this in this podcast we call fringe physics,
but he's talking about Ken's shoulders fringe physics explaining the
paranormal aliens going through walls, being able to change your

(32:34):
frequency and go in and out of mountains and grounds
and all sorts of stuff, and so you know, Ken's
shoulders and Ken Shoulders was a serious scientist. He was
at m I T for years. When he left m
I T, he went to Stanford Research or about the
same time how put off in Russell Target did and

(32:56):
he worked on electronics and electromagnetism for the entire time
he was there. But then Shoulders took a turn. He
made a view of the physics of charged articles where

(33:17):
from And let me say this before I go further.
His experimental data collection was perfection. He knew his instrumentalities,
he knew how to put them together, he knew how
to collect data, and he got some really really interesting

(33:40):
data on things that to my mind, mainstream physics still
can't explain. But he had a hypothesis which is controversial.
So ball lightning and these tiny little ball like blobs
he called exotic vacuum objects and physics as we know it, Yeah,

(34:04):
physics as we know it has a serious problem. What
is the serious problem? Every force that we can observe,
we can't observe the strong nuclear force, but every force
we can observe is tiny compared to the electro motive force.

(34:27):
And when you put a bunch of charged particles together,
the couloamic repulsion wants to bow them up like a
nuclear weapon, except they don't. When you have ball lightning
and these exotic objects, something explains them. And he had
an explanation, and Simeon has gotten to the point now

(34:48):
where he believes it explains all sorts of paranormal and phenomena,
and we're going to discuss it. Yeah, your turn.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
That's a great. Now, it's a great You said it there, right, Bob,
you said it.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
I mean, I mean, you know more about the science
of Ken Shoulders, and you are been in this area,
you have an education in this area directly. I came
across him more recently through the study of cold fusion
renamed recently low energy nuclear reaction because it's not literally
cold fusion, and some people just call it coherent energy

(35:21):
transformations now. And the more and more I kept reading
Ken Shoulders and rereading it, and the more I read it,
the more that the characteristics that he describes to these
charge clusters, he named them exotic vacuum objects because he
believed they arise out of the quantum vacuum field, out

(35:43):
of perturbations in the quantum field, that they are a
type of parallel life to our own, within the same
reality that we're in. Normally invisible and too small to see,
but they perme our reality, and people encounter them all
the time.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Every instance.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
You have an electric shock walking across the carpet, touching
your pet, touching your car door. That little shock is
a transient EVO. But shoulders using this electric discharge. Pulsta
use these electric plates and different equipment on a smaller
scale than Tesla is able to create these long lived microplasmoids,

(36:30):
which he called initially electron vortex objects, and then strong
electrons electron volidium, and finally just evos. And the characteristics
skies of these evos is that they can pass through
other objects, they can change the electromagnetic constants of space

(36:52):
such that they have their own speed of light, They
lower the permittivity in the area that they're and they
have a lower permittivity, so they're more electrically conducive, and
they're long lasting. But most importantly for the subjects we're
interested here in this show, they have an invisible stage,

(37:15):
a black evo form that makes them almost impossible to detect.
And yet when they collide with your equipment, they're going
to release such a high voltage, which is the characteristic
of what we call static electricity, probably not the best
name for it, electrostatics. It's not really static electricity. Where

(37:36):
we're talking about is charge separation. Anywhere you get charge separation,
and that means basically kind of what Bob's saying here,
like everywhere in the universe, where you get charge separation
at every level. When these charges combine, you can get
these evos and they can create their own type of life.
But for us, the interesting thing is they they do

(38:00):
not play well with electronics. They tend to short things out.
They have a different permeativity electrical constant permeability magnetic constant.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
And this when.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
I read into this, Bob, it just seemed to me
all of my experiences with crop circles, of walking into
those crop circles with our static measuring equipment and seeing
these really large static gradients going over one thousand vaults.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Just a few feet.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
It would go beyond the capacity of the meter to measure.
That's exactly what Shoulders is talking about here. That would
be enough to generate these little evos moving around these
crop circle areas, which is why our cameras would stop working,
laptops would stop working.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
It happened to professional camera.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Crews like BBC National Geographic time and time again. We've
seen this, but this permeates the entire world of paranormal phenomena.
I mean, it's ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, you get the same
sort of characteristics. And in my mind reading Shoulders when
he's talking about these black organizations with ghostly properties and

(39:11):
their ability to hide from us in the same space,
to me, that just seems to have so many parallels
to the types of phenomena that we're interested. Eventually, I
just said, it's the same thing. Why it's not. He's
not talking metaphysically here, right, This isn't an analogy.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's not a metaphor.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
This this is he's actually literally talking about the same
things that we're.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Talking about here.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
And maybe maybe Bob even the key to the propulsion
of how some of these exotic craft actually work.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, let me let me take a logical leap given
Let's suppose Shoulders is right and you're you're right, and
and you get these exotic vacuum objects, and they are
contractions that come from the quantum vacuum. Give them what
we see of these things, and the fact that if

(40:08):
it's true it comes from the quantum vacuum, I can
tell you an immediate consequence, free energy is there to
be had because those objects can do work, they poke,
they made pits in middle yes.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
So if I'm just telling you free energy is real
if you're and Kim's interpretation of the physics is reality, right, That's.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
What he keeps pointing to. And by the way, people
can read his papers. They're up for free now you know.
He passed away in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Evo.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
There's a thousand or so pages on one archive.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Yeah, Evo, a tale of discovery, these papers on primitivity
and all his collections of papers. Just look it up.
You could read it and see what Bob and I
are talking about it. He keeps going in that direction, Bob,
where he says, this could be the basis as it was.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Called back then, how cold fusion works.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
That it's literally micro ball lightning, and if it can
form these really rapid pits in metal and create these
sort of bouncing motions, take.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Crystals, take crystals and totally destroy the lattice through forces
we don't understand.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Transmutation, Yeah, from one to the other.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
Nucleonic transmutation alchemy. Shoulders showed us along with Takiyaki Matsumoto
from Japan, working in parallel.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
He knew if shoulders worked too.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
At the same time that this was creating a type
of nucleosynthesis alchemy, something that Isaac Newton was fascinated by.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
He probably spent half of his time on this.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
He probably didn't understand why it was happening, but he
turns out to be right. Something we were all taught
in school was just sort of medieval mythology. Bob turns
out from the shoulders point of view to be true.
And so many researchers from Proton twenty one Labs and
Kiev mark Leclair, through cavitation kind of sound, ultrasonic sound,

(42:18):
have detected this sort of range of chemical elements that
should not be there, that you don't see at the
start of the experiment. And when you're done, you have
every element in the periodic table coming out of a
pure substance like lead, and you get everything else, all

(42:40):
the lighter elements, all the way up.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
You have.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Metals transforming Bob into carbon films, and huge amounts of
these films are emerging out.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Of these metals in these Lenner experiments.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
So it does suggest what you're saying is that there's
a tremendous amount of energy being released here and you
have to wonder whether all this misinformation we heard about,
so called cold fusion, was just that it was misinformation
designed to protect someone else's project, some classified program in

(43:18):
fortune or fortune that someone is really working because you know, okay,
you look at Eric Davis' paper that Eric Davis from
Davis Wilson memo. Eric Davis we all know has been
more vocal recently. You look at his paper in two
thousand and three or so for the Air Force on

(43:39):
ball lightning. I mean half of that paper is redacted.
It's a paper on ball lightning. It's supposed to be
a natural phenomena that a company's thunderstorms, and we see
sometimes in many other circumstances show up.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
And also at a micro scale.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
What what's what is it about nature that you have
to redact half?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I'm just going to tell you.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I am, Eric Davis and others have had our scientific
fundamental research classified the day it was born under the
Atomic Energy Act. That's happened to me, It's happened to Eric,
It's happened to other people who want to push the

(44:26):
push the rock down the hill and let it start
rolling so it can't be stopped. They hold it up
at the top of the hill and put it in
a cage.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Yes, Uh, so are we talking about just atomic Uh
what used to be called the Atomic Energy Commission.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
They're the they're the methodist. But look the stuff. The
stuff I worked on was Markov model systems, and it
turned out to be really useful for a how they
classified tasks. So they grabbed everything that was written about it,
hit it in a vault and classified It. Didn't come

(45:09):
out for ten more years. The first voice recognition systems
for everything was based on that work, and so they
were using it inside for other things and they classified it.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Right.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
When you look at that where the classifications are in
Davis's paper, it every time they get to something having
to do with propulsion, that's when the classification kicks in
and it says it's going back to the nineteen fifties,
it says research from.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
And it goes into the past.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
And so it really suggests that part of the classification
has to do with what you're talking about, Bob, but
also with exotic propulsion systems, which we're told and told
it don't work, and maybe there there's more success to
those than we think. Maybe it's the propulsion for these

(46:13):
drones that you mentioned at the beginning of this so
called drones.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Right, Well, you should hear the FBI talk about it's
not what the FAA says they are.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I want to ask you about the propulsion system, guys,
because obviously this is where it gets a little dark
and dicey. They don't want to give up what there is.
Are we talking hypersonic speed or we talking well above
hypersonic speed, like maybe up to a light speed type
of technology that they are trying to to break down

(46:49):
into a human concept.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I have an opinion that you know, I don't know. No,
I think that they figured out the physics of hyper speed.
But you know, Dave, the universe is huge. It's really huge.
So let's suppose you can go hyper speed. Where are
you going to go? What direction do you go? I mean,

(47:17):
we don't know where things are in the huge universe.
We don't know how to navigate, and we don't know
a lot of stuff. But electrograbmitics and that kind of
stuff we could whip around the Solar System and change
our lives forever.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Yeah, and Bob, are you familiar with Winston Bostick's work,
because Bostick was the one I think he was at
New Jersey Tech, and then he was at one of
the California universes in the fifties looking for peaceful uses
of fusion power after World War Two for Doe, and

(47:58):
he came up up with this idea of these long
lived plasmoids, these galaxies and a test tube. New York
Times had an article about it where he was using
these kind of another method from shoulders, but he was
creating these plasmoids at a micro scale, and he claimed
he could use this to get us to Mars. I

(48:22):
believe in a couple of days. In a couple of days,
the acceleration would be so to cancer. Your question, David,
And we're talking about a long time ago. We're talking
like seventy years ago now that Bostick was working on it.
And it seems to me that that side of it
went classified, that they kept working on this, and that's

(48:42):
why in the Eric Davis paper on ball lightning, so
much of it when it says what the implications are
is whited out because it has implications for propulsion systems.
And obviously there are reasons why you would want to
keep that classified. There's certain people you don't want to
just give that technology out. But it seems to me
it's quite possible. There have been these long lived programs

(49:06):
for seventy years in these types of plasmoid EVO based
propulsion systems to get us to other locations in the
Solar System within a few days.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Maybe it happened, Maybe it really happened.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Well, Winston was the discoverer on first person that did
work on plasmoids, for he was the beginning.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Right and going all the way through Shoulders.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
Shoulders was actually got involved in some of this, a
lot of this research into the evos by being asked
to look at the work of John Hutchinson from your
Country Day from Canada with his fractured metal samples that
he was able to melt metals purely with electro magnetism

(50:00):
at room temperature and create You've seen some of these
samples where you have coins embedded in the metal. Looks
like the whole thing became an instantaneously became a liquid
at room temperature just using Nikola Tesla type of technology
reduced to a smaller scale.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I'll tell you what the government discovered with Hutcheson because
they worked at it, they worked hard, they tried to
figure it out, John Alexander went and visited him. John
Alexander will tell you today that it came out of
his mind because they can't reproduce it anywhere else, and
so this is one of the places where they've got

(50:38):
firm evidence that mental abilities can affect physical systems without
obvious means of contact.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Well, that is the question, Bob. There's a debate even
in our community here. Was it special abilities from John
or if you and I construct did the equipment the
same way he did it, or as Vittorio Violante told
us at one of the SSC meetings, that this process
is so finicky that if you miss one little.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Piece in it, it's.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Not gonna work the cold fusion process.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
John claims that they took his equipment to another place
carefully and couldn't get it to work without him.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, let me give you a parallel here before we
go to break.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Google recently attempted to reproduce a cold fusion experiment, the
Alexander Parkamov two hundred and twenty five day reactor.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Parkamov, a former Soviet.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Aeronautics expert, created a long lasting letter reaction for two
hundred and twenty five days, Google attempted to replicate it,
I'm told, at the cost of fourteen million dollars or
something like this, and they.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Couldn't do it.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
But they missed a couple he components and they didn't
have the patients. Vittorio Violante from e n EA in Italy,
the leading government energy research agency in Italy, told us
it sometimes took weeks.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
For the reaction to get going.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
Is more like creating a song and a musical event,
and it had everything had to be just right in
the orchestra to get the song to sound right.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
That's the analogy. He said.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Most researchers didn't have the patients because it's such a
finicky feedback reaction to get going.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
So the question, and I read.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
John Alexander's book Reality Denied where he talks about Hutchinson
and going to visit and one of the people that
came with him said, no, it has to be a fraud.
But they have a lot of witnesses to how you know,
having HI do that.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
The thing is bob.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Other people have reproduced this type of reaction just with
other types of equipment. So I guess in my mind,
I'm still wondering did was something changed about the area.
I mean, is there something a variable we're missing or
is it a psychokinetic Is it a PK effect?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, I mean if other people can do it, they
could have PK two.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Okay, Okay, So look, I think this.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Is what Lukatski's talking about, is we're about to learn
about human abilities that have been covered up. And Dean Raydon,
I'm such a Dean Raiding fan. He did research on
genetics of siabilities and he found that there was a

(53:38):
real hole in the siabilities of people who were from
Central Europe and through Spain. And but people talk about
having those abilities up until the Inquisition, and they killed
all of them so they didn't breed and make others.

(54:00):
They have erased the gene from this.

Speaker 6 (54:03):
Okay, But Bob, here's another perspective on that. As some
of you know who have watched some of my videos
and so forth, while I was teaching RV in Japan,
I was invited to watch someone that could do PK
at will. And he was able to move the hands
on my watch around you know, regular wind up what

(54:23):
without touching the dial. As some you remember, he levitated
a cigarette across the room into my shirt pocket. It
was like a torpedo. A little torpedo coming up. I mean,
strangest thing ever sent in my life, makes a right
angle turn and goes in my pocket.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
He said he wasn't born that way.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
It was took ten years of daily practice, like a
martial art.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
So it's some sort of you know, neutrino.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Let's go to break here Science Bob and Friends with
doctor Simmy and Heine the power of the mind.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
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forgot his break.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
His turn, Dave.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
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Speaker 1 (55:31):
That's That's what I'm going with.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
I'm sticking with it.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (55:39):
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Science Bob, how you doing well?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I'm doing super duper. I have me a little drink
and a little pit stop, so I'm ready to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Go perfect, perfect play with the minds here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Okay. So one of the things that Shoulders talked about,
I think is, of course he was like talking about
excess energy and he was Look, his strength was his
experimental acumen. He was a fantastic So his data is good.

(01:03:47):
So have you seen in anything you've done this excess
excess energy output?

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Well, I actually am not an experimental list in that sense.
You know, my background is more in social sciences, though
as a kid I used to build kits and observe
all sorts of phenomena, putting diodes and capacitors and resistors
together on a circuit board, which I am told by

(01:04:17):
the way, Shoulders was the one that developed that at
a micro scale when he worked at ARPA for the government,
that micro masking techniques for circuit boards, which means that
he is in our phones. Shoulders is in everything we
do because he created the basis for this micro electronics.

(01:04:38):
But Bob, you're right, that is really the golden goose
here that people are looking for is excess heat. And
can you take that excess heat and feed it back
into the reactor to generate a self sustaining feedback loop
so that you would tap into this quantum vacuum energy
that we're talking about in a sustainable so that the

(01:05:01):
reaction keeps going. And that is really the question here.
And I think even from the critics, when you read
their critic you know their criticism of this area of research,
it's that it's you know, it's not shown to be
sustainable for more than a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Or a few hours or so forth.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
But you know, I mean, if you look at any
early development of any technology, it's it can take a
while to get it to you know, turn into a
workable model that you can take out on the road
and have it, you know, keep working, you know, time
after time. And I think it goes back to what
you were saying a few minutes ago about the Hutchinson

(01:05:40):
effect and so forth, because my understanding, having talked to
people that can do this and people who are experienced,
is that the observers affect the outcome too of the experiment.
In other words, just briefly, going back to that guy,
mister Anderson in Japan who performed these pk uh you know,

(01:06:03):
demonstrations for US near Nagasaki. He said that he I
told him, I did you know, interviews, YouTube, stuff like this.
It was a little before YouTube existed, but that sort
of thing. He said, he didn't want publicity because if
you got skeptical people in the same room his dynamic

(01:06:25):
interactions with the materials, like he could turn glass into
a liquid and so that sort of thing, spoon bending,
these sorts of things.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
He said, it didn't work as.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
Well when you uh, when you had negatively minded people
in the room, which suggests that there it goes in
that direction of what's been called psionics recently, right, which
is that there's some sort of collective mental effect that
we actually all have on the environment and on these experiments.

(01:06:56):
So that would sort of make sense in conventional scientists
might see that as sort of well, you can't do
it because you can't reproduce. But maybe there are variables
that were not measuring that are varying based on the
intention of the people, based on their attitude towards it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
In our V BOB remote viewing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
It's called the sheep goat effect, which is that people
that are really critical of it. Though Targe and Putoff
told us differently. So they said some of the most
skeptical people from the agency, the contractors when they came out,
the contract monitors to Stanford, that they would sometimes do
some of the best results the most skeptical of them.
But the idea overall in our v research is that

(01:07:39):
people that are more open to the idea works tend
to get better results. But just to shortly answer your question, mean,
just to go back, I actually haven't seen a reactor
working in a sustainable way, it hasn't really been the focus.
I'm you know, if I can get to a conference
sometime where we have a reactor work and we can

(01:08:00):
see some results, I think we'd all love to see
that at some point. It's just that these experiments can
be take a while to set up, and let's be honest,
there's an element of X ray danger when evos collapse.
I mean, I was just going through Shoulders papers earlier
this evening, and he says when those evos come to

(01:08:21):
the end of their life span tepically two days, they
can embed themselves in materials and last for two days,
independently of anything else. When they do collapse at the end,
they can release a lot of X ray radiation. I
think we don't really want to be around that, so, Bob,
it would have to be done in a way that
is safe. We don't want any hard or even soft

(01:08:44):
X ray emission coming from it would have to be
I think it's aluminium as a material that prevents that
from coming out from these reactors, So I think.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
There is some room for caution.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Some of the researchers in this area colluding Andrea Rossi
with the ECAT these people got cancer Okay, a number
of these. I mean that is proof right there. Something
is going on in these reactors. And we're just talking
about microball lightning, sustained microball lightning EVO type reactions.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
You've had a number, Mark Leclair, he used sound.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
We're just talking about using ultrasonic cavitation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
This is for people to don't understand. This is where
you put sound.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
Energy into a liquid and it creates these bubbles and
they collapse at an extremely fast rate, which and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
You get high energy photons.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Energy photons, nucleosynthesis.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
And a lot of energy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
And he and his partner, honestly they both got cancer
from these experiments. But they were pushing it a lot
harder than that ultrasonic cleaner you can get for jewelry
on Amazon for thirty bucks. They were pushing it as
hard because they wanted to show this word. So, Bob,
I think there is some room for caution here in
creating these reactors and observing them until we can do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
It in a way that's safe.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
But that is the real prize here is to create
some excess heat reaction that sustainable. Again, Alexander Parkamoff seemed
to have reproduced it in his lab in Moscow for
two hundred and twenty five days at some point, and
other researchers Takiyaki Matsumoto also got these sustained reactions. The

(01:10:33):
Atamenko from Proton twenty one Labs, Aritskev and a whole
bunch of other Russian researchers found these were people by
the way that worked with liquids and oils and used
cavitation to work with oils just in the trade that

(01:10:53):
they were in, and found they were getting these excess
heat reactions.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
They discovered it accidentally, so.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
I think a lot of people have actually come across it.
It's just a question of how do we sustain it
that it actually produces something that we can see now.
I have seen one demonstration of this. This is Malcolm
Bendalls thunderstorm generator. I got to see this in North
Carolina two years ago at the Cosmic Summit conference in

(01:11:25):
what was it Greensborough, and they had this thunderstorm generator there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
It's an engine that tooked up.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
To a vortex Rank Hilsh vortex tube that generates evos
through this little generator that recycles it back into the engine.
And I can't tell you having stood next to these
ordinary generators, the type of generators were all familiar with

(01:11:54):
that generate electricity out anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
You have them.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
There was no smell of fumes coming out of the exhaust.
You could be right next to it and it smelled
as clean as air.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
But the thing was running and just quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
But I'm told from the people involved with this that
they are working with the Indian government and they're on
track to start producing these very you know, immediately, hundreds
of thousands of these units to retrofit all of the
engines and generators in India because smog is such an issue.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
So this would be one.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Application of EVOS to neutralize carbon dioxide and things like
that from emissions from ordinary combustion fuel engines. So I
think you know where conversations going here. Anyway, the road

(01:12:49):
to create this lener coherent energy transformation reaction is not
an immediate jump to this new technology, but it could
be retrofitting our existing combustion engines with something that recycles
the exhaust to neutralize the carbon emissions from it. So that, yeah,

(01:13:13):
a baby step, and this is something that I have seen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
I got to.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Spend the whole weekend around this. They had it running
the whole time. We got to see the gas emission
analysis from the engines. We could see that the carbon
dioxide and carbon monoxides, especially the carbon monoxide were way lower,
and the things would be to see can we actually

(01:13:40):
put this on existing engines and clean up exhaust as
a first step towards using ken shoulders evos through this
rank Hill's vortex tube with little microball lightnings getting intermixed
with the exhaust to do that nucleonic transformation right the
outmi to neutralize the harmful emissions. I mean, I don't

(01:14:03):
know how many thousands of people are killed from carbon
monoxide exhausted accidentally from generators, especially in Alaska, every year.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
So that would be.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
An immediate bed for those of you are wondering what
what's the benef media bend before we get to free energy,
which I by the way, Bob, I'm not afraid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Everyone says, oh, it's gonna put everyone out of work.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
It's total, total.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Crap when they say this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
No, there'll be all sorts of work that will be
created because energy won't cost anything, right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
Right, It's gonna get there eventually, but it may take
a little while. To go through intermediary baby step technology.
I think the thunderstorm that so called and folks you
can look it up. I think the thunderstorm generator could
be one of these technologies using these principles we're talking
about tonight, just in a baby step way, but in

(01:14:55):
the right direction, kind of like a hybrid engine. It's
like putting it on our existing engines to recycle the
exhaust through these wartex tubes, having the little microball lightning
do its magic to transmute the potentially harmful and dangerous
carbon monoxide into I think what the output is is

(01:15:16):
oxygen and water and stuff. And again I have been
next to one of these engines that was running for
hours and you could not smell any exhaust smell. It
smelled completely clean. So I saw it with my own eyes.
I couldn't see what was going on inside. But it's
a device. You can look it up. And Bendaal says

(01:15:38):
they're working with the Indian government right now. He said
that two years ago, and it seems like they've really
made a lot of progress.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Okay, I have all different question you know, different different
road You have been really doing some interesting research talks
interactions about cryptids in the past year or so. Where

(01:16:06):
is that going for you right now?

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:16:11):
What really hooked me into the whole Bigfoot cryptid topic,
and I've talked about this on this show before and
so forth, is talking to the witnesses, the Bigfoot witnesses
in Colorado, including my own remote viewing students who were
natives of Colorado who had encountered these creatures in the Rockies,

(01:16:31):
in the foothills here camping down from the foothills someone
right north of Colorado Springs. Was the weird, spooky types
of effects that you associate with the paranormal Bob. It
did once I started actually going to these conferences, coming
from the point of view that it was just some

(01:16:53):
undiscovered North American wood ape, like earlier academics John Bindernog
from Your Country Day from Canada to others had suggested
it was some sort of rare primate. Once I actually
started talking to people at conferences, they told me about
the same types of effects that I had personally seen
around crop circles, including the cameras going out, weird space

(01:17:18):
time slips, mental confusion, and all sorts of electromagnetic anomalies, which.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
You know, I'm kind of thick.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
But eventually it started occurring to me that we weren't
dealing with an ordinary mammal here. We were dealing with
something that had these types of properties that we associate
with what we call the paranormal. And there was even
some crossover to cold fusion lenar experiments because people reported

(01:17:50):
the area getting cold, right, sound, feeling muffled, all of
a sudden and strange feelings in their body. This mental confusion,
the brain fog, this kind of induced fear that even

(01:18:11):
luscious Jewelso is here in our chat room tonight has
talked about with us and with our research group, our
Bigfoot Zoom research group, so where it's led meat is
going to increasing numbers of Bigfoot conferences, especially in the Northwest.
We've done some remote viewing, which we're going to start

(01:18:32):
up again soon of bigfoot type targets to see if
they actually fit with what Ken Shoulders was talking about,
which is maybe they exist at a slightly different type
of permittivity than we do. And Shoulders suggested that shift
in permittivity could account for invisibility, transparency and this very

(01:18:58):
interesting property of objects being able to go through walls
and other solid structures.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Because they are charged neutral.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
You have to remember, folks, that everything we're around right
now is basically charge neutral, which is why it holds
together as.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
A solid stuffs.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
These kind of chemical attractions between chemical elements are actually
electrostatic charges, and they balance out right. So when the
charges are slightly offset, you get some of these very
interesting effects. It doesn't take much, so Bob, to answer
your question, my thinking was that Bigfoot and other types
of cryptids, the types we don't even have names for.

(01:19:37):
And I've read and listened to a lot of witness accounts,
and I've talked to a lot of people at these conferences,
and we're dealing with something that is really strange.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I so want you to do this. I have the
test site for you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
Yeah, it is really strange, and people don't even know
what they've experienced. I have talked to these w is
that have seen these big could go invisible, multiple witnesses,
different people, at different kinds.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
They all told me the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
They've seen them disappear right in front of their eyes
or become like a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Shimmering sort of glowing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
Object, kind of what we're told the predator like effect.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Yes, from the Predator movie. Series. Yeah, so I've.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
Actually met these people, I've heard about it. To me, Bob,
it sounds a lot like the same topic we've been
talking about all night, but at a macroscopic scale.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
So where I've.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Gone with this and where I keep going with this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
Is perhaps we are around other types of life forms
that have learned to harness Ken Shoulders evos in a
natural way. Since Ken Shoulders said this is how nature
really works, that's, Bob, that's what Ken was telling.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Us, that this is actually the basis of nature.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Are these evo charge cluster type structures when they're not
completely balanced out in regular types of objects that we're
used to, and they can interact a little bit and
create these electromagnetic shifting effects. My thesis is that we're
around life forms that figure this out naturally through just

(01:21:15):
static build up work, cavitation sound. However they're doing this
that allows them to feed off of this energy, Bob,
in the same way we're talking about cold fusion, Lennar.
Maybe they've actually learned how to do this through evolution
the way nature works, and they are literally beating off

(01:21:36):
this energy and going into places you and I don't
know how to go yet. In our same spaces that
we're in. They can go invisible, they can.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Get a lot of speed and energy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:49):
People you know, you listen to the Navajo paranormal rangers
like John Dover, Jonathan Dover and his partner who I
got to speak. I saw us speak at the Snippy
conference in Alamosa recently, which will happen again next year.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
It's open to the public.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
They've talked about some of these cryptids running as fast
as their vehicles at highway speeds. Whatever you want to
call them, skin walkers, dog man, I mean, whatever these
things are, that they have incredible speed when they want
to how how do you get that speed with ordinary physics?

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
So that's the direction I've headed with this.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
And the more people you speak to, the more information
you get. And it's kind of like Lakatski in some ways,
but in a different way. People like this normally don't
want to talk about it to average people because they
just don't think that people will believe them. And it's it,
I mean sociology, we call it a hidden event. It's
something that people are experiencing, but they won't talk about

(01:22:51):
it because of the fear of.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Ostracism and ridicule. To the Giggle Factory.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
So that is the benefit of going to these conferences.
And I'll be at the oak Ridge Conference in Oregon
again next next July.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I think it's July eleventh, twelfth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
You know what say, man, we need we need to
let Dave ask a question.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Sorry, guys, well, we only got about a minute left
here before we have to go to break. We're gonna
get some audience questions in the final half hour that
we have tonight with you guys. But I just wanted
to make a quick comment. I mean, Sibby, and I
know exactly what you're talking about at my investigation area
flight twenty one where we have had interactions in trading

(01:23:38):
going on with sasquatch there. It is absolutely incredible accepting
the mind speak and the energies that these creatures put off,
and you know, feeling that they are completely around you
and not being able to see them. And I often
wonder whether or not they're hair strands are like deer

(01:24:02):
hair or moose hair, which are hollow and can reflect light.
I often wonder that, and that's why it's very difficult
to see deer or moose in the middle of the
trees because they are perfection of camouflage to their environment.
So I often wonder about that. But we're going to

(01:24:22):
get to some audience questions when we return on spaced
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Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Now, Dave, where you are thinking along the same lines there?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
So I actually, actually I was going to talk to
you in Science Bob about this. Yeah, I have pooh
samples from potentially a sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Well you should have him tested for DNA, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Well, yeah, because I'm so fucking science, see Bob, Like
I don't know, That's why I'm talking to you guys about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
I mean, he's look, it's gonna have hair, DNA and
what it eats and all sorts of stuff. The scat
is very important.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Let me let me let me, Tim and I gathered
this scat after literally a week after we heard it
farting in the forest. Okay, and this was probably happening
forty yards from us if that. We went back a

(01:26:20):
week later, we actually took some of the scat. I
have a lot of outdoor people here. There's a lot
of outdoors people in my town. And I brought my
buddy Mark, the one I trust the most, Okay, I
brought him to the spot. Nine weeks later. The scat

(01:26:45):
hadn't broken down yet. It was it was still all
right there, which is very weird for a creature from nature.
Because bears, cat, scat, coyote, scat, wolf scat, moose, scat, deer,

(01:27:07):
you name it, it breaks down very quickly. I'm going
back there maybe on Sunday. It's about a fifty to
fifty shot. I will be there Sunday. It'll be probably
my last time there this year, because the snow is
going to start flying here at any time, and I'm
going to see how that scat is there now With

(01:27:32):
my buddy Mark. The first thing when he looked down,
he goes, oh, that's bear, And I said, is it really?
I said, when do you see a bear stuffing its
ass in between a bunch of little trees and shrubs
to take a poop. And the more he looked at it,
the more he analyzed it. He literally said, I don't

(01:27:55):
know what this is. He broke it apart. There was
no there was no further has known nothing in there.
There was not even greens from eating berries or or anything,
or plants or anything. But it was weird that it
was like nine weeks in between that that scat was

(01:28:18):
still sitting there and hadn't been decomposing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
That's abnormal. Yeah, I mean it's all organic material, though
the environment should have degraded.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
It, right, h Well, my mind thinking transmutation of elements here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Well, if you guys, I was thinking of maybe trying
to send it to doctor Michael Masters, because I don't
know any scientists here. But I don't know if I
could get poop across the border. Right there you go,
it might be have a tariff attached to it. Probably.

(01:29:09):
What does the bigfoot fart sound like? It sounded like this, Yeah,
licked my lips, it was like And that went on
for about fifteen seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
It was well, you know, David, you're raising an interesting
question here, it's just people say, if it's physical like
you're talking about, we know it is, it's physical, how
does it have these quantum properties?

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
Yeah, it's because everything's made up of vibration. Anything that's
physical has a harmonic vibration, Bob pot quantum Mechanny, you
can tell you there's no divide between quantum mechanics and
physical reality. That is an artificial legacy from the early
nineteen hundreds when they couldn't figure out the particle wave duality,

(01:30:04):
and you know, people like Neil's Bor suggested they're too parallel,
you know, classical reality and the quantum, and we're still
having this idea they're two separate things and you can't
access the quantum. It's only the physical world with the
measurement but everything.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
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(01:31:29):
special guests tonight Doctor Simeon Hine gutting into the whole
telepathic sasquatch encryptids. Oh, I love this topic. I mean,
it seems so far fetched, but it really does seem
to be something there, right Science Bob, Yep, it's a
power answer right there. Yep, that's scientific, one on one

(01:31:53):
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Oh God, save you got it right. There's not much a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Lot of people, though, doctor simben Hin would have a
lot of trouble understanding that that's even possible that these
creatures can give some sort of telepathic communication. But when
you start studying nature and more time you spend in nature,
you realize that everything really is telepathic and energetic.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Good point, Dave, That is a really important point, that
might be the most important point of the evening. What
you just said is we're the ones, like Ingo Swan,
the inventor of our v at least the way we
know it in its current incarnation. We're the ones that
have separated ourselves from the way nature really works, and

(01:32:49):
so we give funny names to these properties as if
they're special, while we've put ourselves in what Ingo called
reality boxes, which said, in the moment you kind of
start kindergarten or even before, right, that's how nature works,
and we've created these barriers. So when sasquatch, bigfoot, Sabe

(01:33:10):
comes around and they can talk right through, you know,
right through your skull into your brain.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
I don't know exactly how they do.

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
Is it a type of infrasound, is it a type
of directed coherence sound, or is it a type of
you know, they've identified some frequency in your brain and
they can modulate, you know, your conscious area like a radio.
However they're actually doing it, Dave. So many people have
described the feeling of shock when they didn't even believe

(01:33:44):
in Bigfoot going out there or even in their homes,
having these messages come into their minds. I spoke to
one guy at Oakridge last summer at the conference there
at the festival, and he said what it looked like
to him was a electronic sign in his mind that
said you shouldn't be here, leave now. And it was

(01:34:06):
like a really loud signal in his mind, but he
could see it moving across his mind. However, some people
have described it as a computerized voice.

Speaker 11 (01:34:15):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
You're one of your documentarians from your country, less Stroud,
you know, Survivorman, Survivorman Bigfoot. He talked about the shock
when he went out to an area near Portland where
someone told him there was activity and he heard it
in his head. He said in his broadcast that he
had to go visit a therapist later a psychotherapist to

(01:34:38):
make sure he wasn't going nuts. But everyone says the
same thing. They kind of wonder if they're cracking up.
So no, it's one of the aspects that's really very
weird about it, given that you and I can't quite
do that with each other, but these creatures can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
I can say this. We in our area. There's a
certain area in our investigation area where when we are
back there, you get this feeling of Okay, we've had
enough of you guys back here. Now it's time for
you to go back to base camp and let us

(01:35:19):
do our thing here. You've had enough fun here. It's
time for you to kind of go away. And eventually
that moves to base camp where it's they will come
up and you'll get this message like all of a sudden,
not a fear, but this kind of like this shock,
like like a quick okay, yep, you want us to go.

(01:35:42):
We get the point. Okay, just let us give us
a few minutes to break everything down well and pack
everything up, and then we'll be on our way. And
they're cool with it. They're cool with it, but there
is this energetic transfer of it actually happening, and it
is one of the strangest feelings. Like the last time
my partner Tim and I were out there, we were

(01:36:06):
playing hide and go seek with three of them. There
was a cinnamon colored one, a dark one, and a
blondish white one. Tim saw them all, I didn't see them,
and we were playing literally playing hide and go seek.
And the funny part about it is they led us

(01:36:27):
to an area where our gifting site was. They brought
us back to the gifting site. We looked at the
gifting site to see if anything had moved and all
of a sudden, the telepathic message came into both Tim
and I. It's time for you guys to go back
to base camp. We're done back here, and you have

(01:36:49):
to respect it because when they're around, they put up
this wall of energy that literally makes you feel very
small and you get you know, and you have to
be It's kind of like that energy, if I can
put it this way for our listeners to understand, it

(01:37:12):
is kind of like that energy when you know, when
you get that feeling like you're in a shopping mall
or in a parking lot and you get that feeling
you're being watched, and it kind of gives you that
that terrorizing fear that something bigger than you is out
there and can harm you. That's what it feels like,

(01:37:33):
except without the danger. When you're around and you feel
bear energy or you feel deer energy or whatever, you
kind of pick up on the dangerous side of it,
Whereas with the sasquatch, unless you upset them, you don't
get that. But they put up this wall of energy
that's like and that wall of energy like pushes you,

(01:37:56):
like you'll be like, well let's go over here. Uh no,
I'm not heading I'm not heading that way. Something is
holding me back. It's incredible how it works.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Yeah, you know Ron more Head from you know Sierra Sounds, Yes,
the Sierra Camp. And by the way, there is a
movie coming out Voices in the Wilderness about that whole
experience of him and the other folks that were up
there from I believe in the sixties, the Sierra Camp
experiences up there with sound and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
You know, having them around is.

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
Ron described that feeling of trying to go past a
certain area to a tree where they heard the sounds
coming from, and he said it was like a force field.
I mean, other Dave, other people have described exactly what
you're talking about. It's so consistent between many of these witnesses,
like a force field. He said, he and this other
guy they could not move past it to get closer

(01:38:57):
to that area. And that's just yet, it's one of
the spects of it that makes it really interesting and
weird and strange and what actually is that force feel like?
At least we interpret it. I'm gonna pull a Jay
Stratton one here because I've talked to Jay about some
of these things, and he's point to me was, yeah,
that is how you're experiencing it, but is that literally

(01:39:19):
what it is?

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
So that experience of the force field? What is that?

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
And how do they generate that? What kind of energy
are they? I mean, it's these are great research questions.
We don't know the answers yet. People should be studying
this should be studied openly in public because a lot
of people have had experiences like this and they seldom
share it with other people that are not sympathetic to

(01:39:45):
hearing about it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Let's get to some audience questions here, Jents. Yes, Let's
start off with Derek here Science Bob. Does Peter Thial
have anything to do with Skywatcher? Where is he being
contacted to help support?

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
No, he's somebody asked him along. So Jesse has asked
Peter does he want to be involved with anything would
do with UAP and UFOs, And Peter Till told him no,
and Jesse just so people don't know, Jesse Michael's work
for Peter Till and he just does not want anything

(01:40:25):
to do with UAP.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Probably want something to do with the UFOs not UAP
could be could be all right. The Doug Shelby is asking,
how's the fore lack of better a word language form
of communication with ets. You guys are working and la
la are working on coming on together.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Jimmy Blanchett is pretty much doing it, so we support him.
Go check out and check him out.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Jeff Steve Garvey is asking why is propulsion relevant in
light of quantum entanglement or consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
That's a very good question, and a lot of people
believe that there are beings who have perfected and they
travel by visiting spiritually if you will, or they send
avatars and connect their consciousness to the avatar to control

(01:41:32):
it while they sit in the easy chair in their.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Home right that, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
And my answer to that, that's an interesting way to
look at it. Maybe this is, you know, they're projecting
this out there, sending.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Robotic like avatars. That's all we're sinking here.

Speaker 6 (01:41:51):
But you know, my response to that would be, what
we're talking about is something that is propulsion. Like we
are not literally talking about propulsion and that comes out
of the side of a SpaceX rocket or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
It's not really propulsion.

Speaker 6 (01:42:07):
It is not yeah, thank you, It isn't really propulsion,
but it creates to our experience that sort of appearance
of something moving through our space time. But if you're
changing the structure of space time so that it doesn't
have the same sort of stationary qualities to it, and
the motion becomes the natural feature of it, then you're

(01:42:29):
just gliding through space time with.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
The more important factor is you're sitting in the bubble.
You experience no acceleration. You're just you're the space time
bubble is moving through space. You're not moving. You're experiencing
zero acceleration.

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Right, Bob.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
And that would explain why these craft are sometimes seen
as able to create right angle turns at speed that
would turn us into mush right, because they're not experiencing
that from their frame of reference.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Their inertia is separated from the universe.

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
And there's one more component to this, by the way,
which we need to mention this is this is by
the way, Bob, this goes back to our early earlier
discussion this evening why these phenomena look blurry.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
This is something that Jules and I like to talk about.

Speaker 6 (01:43:27):
This is already built into the whole EVO charge cluster perspective.
When you begin to change permittivity and it begins to oscillate.
Researchers have said that their own reactors started to look blurry, right,
and look bluish. They had this bluish mist emerging from

(01:43:49):
the They looked blurry, and it's a consequence of oscillating permittivity,
and that connects to blurry ghosts, blurry UFOs, right, blurry
big but blurry cryptids. And we're not just talking about
photos that look blurry that we're all familiar with.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
To anyone who's looked into these subjects, let me explain it.
The creatures themselves look blurry or in bands.

Speaker 6 (01:44:12):
And this idea of changing permativity, Bob, that comes from
shoulders completely explains that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Another way to look at it is Maxwell's equations derive
the speed of light from one over the square root
of permittivity time permissivity after permittivity is changing, the speed
of light is changing, so things are going to change.
Color go wiggly. Yes, it's all the same bomena and
it's changing those constants.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
So, folks, the next time someone you hear this criticism,
how come the photo looks blurry? Of that orb of
that bigfoot of that? You now have the explanation. You
can tell them the sciences Bob just told you how
the speed off light is derived from primitivity and permittibility,
going back all the way to Maxwell's equations, right, James,
that's so you have a response now to the blurry

(01:45:06):
photo criticism.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
The speed of light equals one over the square root
of permittivity times permissivity.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Way above my pay grade, many way above my pay grade.
Let's go to Polly. How can you both explain contact
through astral traveling from the science and experiencer sides.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Well, look, you're moving your consciousness around in via some
kind of medium, and it's your perceptual system is being
manipulated by this, by your intention, so with astral projection,
So it's it's really it's really count of problematic to

(01:45:59):
call traveling because you're it's not traveling. No.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
I agree with what Bob is saying there that it's
a very important point Polly, which is that when we
do our v it can give you the feeling of
having moved to another location.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
In your awareness or you're picking up the information.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
In my view, that isn't literally astral traveling. It's the
way your brain assembles the perception of getting non local information.
You're actually still in the room, sitting at your desk writing.
But it's assembling the feeling of being in another location

(01:46:43):
the way your brain is doing it right now with
this location that you're in, because it's doing a lot
of work to create the room around you right now.
It can do that with a non local source if
it wants to, if you give it permission to do that,
and it chooses to engage in that process. But having
said that, Poly, I think there is something like astral travel.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
I'm not sure I actually recommend it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:06):
I mean, if you really want to pop your spirit
out of your body, I'm actually even curious how we
even have this inbody experience. So it's not something that
I'm attempting to do, and I'm not sure I recommend.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
It in general.

Speaker 6 (01:47:19):
But the r from the RV side, which is what Bob,
you know we're talking about here, it's the feeling of
the astral travel.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
Actually it's not literally going.

Speaker 6 (01:47:27):
It's more like tuning a radio to different frequencies, and
the frequencies already there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
But I look, look, the human brain and the perceptual
system and consciousness, et cetera has a facility called neuroplasticity,
and it's how babies learn. So when they're young, their
brain their systems are very plastic. That means they're malleable.

(01:47:56):
You can change them. As we get older, our things
get set. It's still with intention and focus and repetition,
you can change the way your brain works. Sean McNamara,
Rob Freeman, Wendy Gallott teach people who have never seen

(01:48:17):
a thing in their life to see for the first time.
What out eyes? Do you know what? And so remote
viewers through trying an object, trying a breeding a task
and getting feedback, that's training your neuroplastivity. What do you get?

(01:48:42):
What is the neuroplasticty? Training is training your filter how
to tune out the noise and get the signal. Neuroplasticity
is the important thing in all of this for training.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
Ellen Langer at Harvard did a lot of experiments in
that several decades ago with kittens, and she showed that
kittens raised in a room around vertical lines only lost
the ability to see horizontal objects and vice versa. Because,
as Bob is saying, it becomes kind of baked into
the neural wiring. But the plasticity is what it sounds like.

(01:49:22):
It's changeable, it's malleable. And with training and practice and consistency,
you can rewire it to perceive reality in other types
of ways.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
My favorite experiment, favorite is take take a pair of
prism glasses, turn the world upside down. Within a few days,
you can walk around like you didn't have the glasses on.
Take them off, and you have to retrain your brain
all again. We are very plastic and that tells you

(01:49:54):
that you can learn this stuff with the right inputs.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
All right, boys, let's go to another question. We have
four minutes to go. Let's go to we run it
in Australia. Is the thunderstorm generator Malcolm Bendall potentially using
evo or another form of plasma?

Speaker 6 (01:50:19):
Well, I think the answer is it's all in the
same family of phenomena that we call self organized plasmoids,
and we can call them evos. We can, you know,
use Winston Bostics language and call them plasmoids, which are
plasma toroids.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
That's where the.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
Word comes from, toroidal being of vortex like shape. So
it's part of that family of phenomena that we call microball, lightning, evos,
self organized plasmas. But I don't think there is another
form of I mean plasma could take different shapes, but
it's basically some sort of self organized microscop at least

(01:51:00):
structured plasmids that have that nucleonic transformational ability. I think
that's the simplest way to describe it. That's my understanding
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
And say plasma is atoms if you will, in where's
the electrons are stripped off away from nugas and fall around?
Not a test to anything except the aggregate.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
Right, electrically charged?

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
All right, let's go to our final question from our audiences,
go to fast heavy. Can Bigfoot be vulnerable the diseases
like Alzheimer's or anything. I know that's an impossible question
to ask, but I can see that they probably would
have to go through some sort of health issues.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
I don't know the answer, but if they're biological, then
they're biology can be damaged.

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
Yeah, I mean people have noticed aging in them, older
ones behaving in ways that would be consistent with older people. Right,
You've read those descriptions from witnesses where they said they
seemed kind of older and maybe, you know, not quite
as energetic, a little slower or something.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
So maybe that's possible.

Speaker 6 (01:52:25):
We don't really know, as Bob is saying, because we
don't have any open evidence. You know, this is not
just UFOs that are kept in these classified programs.

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Bob.

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
I'm sure the government, which administers like one third of
the land in the US or something like this, knows
about this subject extensively, and we haven't heard from about it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Maybe they if the people of the United States knew
how many laboratories, facilities, et cetera. We have undergrowth where
it looks like nothing, so it's bigger than New York City.
I mean, he's your cook, Gosa. We have a lot

(01:53:09):
of facilities. You can't see stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
Yeah, Science Bob, we got one minute to go here
before we have to say good night to both you
and doctor Simeon Hine. It's been a great show here,
my friend. Where can people find you, Science Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Well, I'm on Exit Bob McGuire, Science Bob Underscore in
four hy which is my amateur radio call sign, and
Bob McGuire on Facebook and Instagram, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
And how about you Simeon.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
Yeah, people are welcome to go to my blog which
is newcrystalmind dot com and that has links to all
my other sites, the RV sites, books and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
Of course I'm on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (01:53:56):
People are welcome to check out my YouTube channel, and
I'm also on ex Twitter sometimes we love it other.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Gentlemen, you two are two of the best that are
out there, and you always make for a great time
on spaced Out Radio, and I very much appreciate it
on behalf of our audience because it always is a
good time with each and every one of you. And
I always learned so much because science isn't my thing.

(01:54:25):
That's why I have you guys. You make me look smart.
Coming up next on spaced Out Radio, Swamp Dweller. Then
the lovely talented Katie Page is here for the encounters.
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

(01:54:58):
All right, gentlemen, thank you very much much.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Thanks guys, had a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
It was great. Thank you for us always here. You're
you're my favorite guest.

Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
All right, Thank you too, Bob, and we'll see you,
uh next time, And don't miss r V coming up
on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
If you're around, I'm definitely gonna be there, all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Right, boy, you guys see you laters Science Bob and
she'd be behind everybody I'll be right back.

Speaker 12 (01:56:01):
SA.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Let's bring in the lovely and talented Katie Page.

Speaker 7 (02:00:04):
There she is well, good evening.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
Hello, how are you good.

Speaker 7 (02:00:11):
It was great to hear the talk between Science Bob
and simeon very interesting stuff. I love the science part.
I think we're going to get some answers based on
some of the research that people like these guys are doing.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
I agree, I agree. All right, let us quickly say
hello to huh Bob Marley, you's come in, and Phil Jones,
nice to see you, Tyler four twenty, Nice to have
you here, and scrolling on.

Speaker 7 (02:00:47):
Damn, Hi guys, I'm seeing Hi katies.

Speaker 10 (02:00:50):
Hi guys, there's a few.

Speaker 7 (02:01:04):
I was so excited to see the northern lights from
my backyard in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
I know I can't see him. We're clouded over here,
totally clouded over.

Speaker 7 (02:01:16):
Well, last night was the first time I got to
see him without just you know. I once before I
was able to take pictures.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
But oh my dear, here we go. Third and final
hour of Space Out Radio is now underway. My name
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Speaker 11 (02:02:42):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm Swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unn sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.
Welcome to the space Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 5 (02:02:59):
For sixty one year, Adele Marie Wells has been missing
with no trace of where she went. Just seven years
old at the time, Adele was a second grade student
at Jefferson Elementary On this day in particular, though Adele
had stayed home sick with a cold. Sometime during that day, though,

(02:03:19):
she decided she wanted to go to the school to
perhaps see her friends. Apparently, she stopped at her grandmother's
house along the way, which is just a few blocks
away from the school. The last time anyone would see
Adele was leaving her grandmother's home that afternoon. She never
ended up at the school and sadly has never been

(02:03:39):
heard from again. This is truly sad and tragic, as
a missing child is surely the worst feeling possible for
a parent. The local Flint police state that they had
very reliable reports of a young, unknown male carrying a
small girl to a dirty black Chevrolet. Witnesses say the
girl was between eight to ten years old by the

(02:04:02):
looks of it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
All.

Speaker 5 (02:04:03):
The reports say that this sighting took place near the
creek on Lewis Street. The young male described as a
light skinned African American who had a gray coat and
red sox on. No one has ever identified the male
and it is unclear if this man was even the
abductor of Adele. There were reports of other children telling

(02:04:23):
their parents about a suspicious car luring kids in with
the promises of candy. Adele's family continues to carry the
burden of wondering what happened to her. Adele has a
family of nine and I'm sure they all want justice
for this case as I do. What happened to Adele?
Did this alleged African American male kidnap her, did someone

(02:04:45):
else scoop her off the streets, or did something more
mysterious happen.

Speaker 13 (02:04:52):
On the afternoon of October seventh, twenty thirteen, sherry Lynn
McEwen I need a grim and a brain. At the time,
sherry Lynn had recently just returned from visiting Las Vegas
for the weekend. Sherry Lyn's friends mentioned nothing was out
of the ordinary at the time. She was dropped off

(02:05:12):
at her home. Shortly after, though, a call to nine
one one came from her home. First responders rushed to
the scene in forty year old sherry Lynn's Estaire, Ontario home.
They arrived to find sherry Lynn critically injured. She had
been assaulted extremely violently. Soon after, sharry Lynn was pronounced

(02:05:34):
dead and its succumb to her injuries. Until this day,
the murder of sherry Lynn McEwan remains unsolved. While researching
this case, I quickly noted the Ontario Provincial Police really
haven't released many details about this case. There has been
no confirmation on who actually called nine one one from

(02:05:57):
the residents that day. There's as collected forensic evidence from
the crime scene, but it seems nothing has been done
with it, at least nothing the public knows already. Investigators
have looked into sher Lyn's husband and friends, but no
real motives or animosity could be found. My thoughts kind

(02:06:18):
of lead towards the potential home invasion gone wrong. I've
had cases about squatters invading people's homes when they leave
for trips, and when the owners returned, they were brutally murdered.
Many of those cases were from Canada. Could it be linked.
Possibly At the end of the day, though, this case

(02:06:40):
is unsolved and any new information would be greatly appreciated.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Thank you swamp Dweller for a couple of spooky stories there.
If you are more just like that, head on over
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He literally has thousands of stories there for you each
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It's time for Katie Page.

Speaker 10 (02:07:08):
Nancy Flute.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
There she is Katy Page. We love her around here,
love her theme song, and it is a perfect way
to bring Katie in for the encounters. Katie, how's it going? Oh,
let me unmute you here? I got you mute. There
we go.

Speaker 7 (02:07:50):
I said, I'm doing well. I need a copy of
that tune. If I'm having a bad day, I just
have to play that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
Absolutely. That's what we do. That's what we do. It's
always here.

Speaker 7 (02:08:01):
It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
You know what our audience has. I get a lot
of notes about you still coming in here and doing
this show weekly here.

Speaker 7 (02:08:12):
Great, thank you, Yes, stand up late just for you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
You have a lot of fans here at Spaced Out Radio.
We really do appreciate it. And you have kind of
been doing this tour around North America on strange stories
I have and we.

Speaker 7 (02:08:29):
Are still on the letter C and so we're headed
back east tonight to Connecticut and the first case comes
out of nineteen fifty three, and I love these old cases,
the older the better, I think, especially now with AI
and everything being so unreal. It's like I love going
back back in time. But this one is called The

(02:08:51):
Men in Black of Bridgeport. In Bridgeport, Connecticut, it says
Albert Bender, the founder of the International Flying Saucer Bureau,
reported being visited by three men in black after announcing
he had solved the flying Saucer mystery. The MIBs, described
as wearing black suits and exuding a nott of this

(02:09:13):
world Aura warned him to seize his investigations. Bender later
wrote a book called Flying Saucers and the Three Men
in Black. So, of course, you know, Dave, I had
to go check the library, and sure enough I have
the book, and so in here, I don't know, I'll
try and put it up to the camera. Here here's
the three men in black that he described seeing and

(02:09:38):
entering his room. Basically, he's running the CUFO organization and
these guys come into his room through the walls. What's
interesting about this go I didn't have time, obviously to
read the whole book just you two hours before the show,
but I did just skim through it, and I saw
references to strange boxes. I saw him reference a blue

(02:09:59):
organ Israel. I'm like, oh my gosh, we know that
these things are going on. I don't know. He did
stop his investigations though, and he claimed that these men
in black, which I think, you know he's he's kind
of saying that they weren't of this earth, right, They're
from a different planet. He's having this mental telepathy conversation

(02:10:21):
with these three men in black, who he describes as
having like flashlights for eyes. And in this book, I
just I thumbnailed it here because I was curious because
it says he figured out the whole flying saucer mission, right,
And I was like, well, what is it? We all
want to know the answers, don't we? Yes, we do.

(02:10:41):
So according to this book, here says how long have
you been on our planet? And they say since nineteen
forty five? And he's like, well, what are you doing here?
And they say, we're here to obtain water from your
best bodies of sea And he's like, for what purpose
do you want this seawater? We cannot answer that, but
we have shown you what we can do once we

(02:11:02):
obtain it. And then he asked you do you intend
to stay on our planet long? And he says in
the book says for another ten to fifteen years, and
this was written in nineteen nineteen sixty two. So I
think they've decided they like Earth and they're staying a
bit longer.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Oh good.

Speaker 7 (02:11:22):
So it's a good topic though, because some people claim,
you know, men in black are CIA government agents, and
others think they're extraterrestrials. What do you think.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
I'm still a little disheveled by them because I don't
know if they're real or not. I think at one
time they were. I think the modern era of men
in black are nonexistent for the sake of technology. And

(02:11:56):
this is where and I hate to say this because
many people think I'm a when I say this, but
I'll say it anyways. You know when I hear a
lot of these podcast hosts and and even guests come on,
and you know, I was, you know, all of a
sudden there was you know, I had this UFO sighting,

(02:12:18):
and all of a sudden, there was a black helicopters
flying over my house and men in black or black
blacked out SUVs were driving down my road. Do you
know how many blacked out SUVs are out there?

Speaker 7 (02:12:34):
Right? It's like when you buy a new car and
you have your heart set on a certain type, and
then all of a sudden you see a lot of them.
It might be that you're just paying attention, like oh
my gosh, paranoia sets in, you know, and so you
chalk up all these black SUVs to something else. I
kind of disagree with you just a little bit. I

(02:12:54):
do agree with you in the fact that men in
black have changed. I think they're still around though, and
I think they approach the topic much differently. I think,
especially with people that are deep in the topic, they're
being kept an eye on. I mean, somebody's keeping an
eye on what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
I agree with you there, but I think the prototypical
spying that we saw men in black do you know, like, oh,
who is the famous Tim Beckley's photo, late Tim Beckley's photo,
you know, I think that may have been real. Or
there was a video of those alien looking like ones

(02:13:33):
going into a hotel in Ontario. You know, I believed
that one too, you know, But I don't think in
today's technology where they can you know, the Secret Service
can get into your cell phone, you know, just by
using an IP address. They can you know, scan your computer,

(02:13:56):
They could turn your computer on and off, even though
your computers may be shut down for the day. They
have technologies that we have no clue about.

Speaker 7 (02:14:06):
So yeah, they probably don't need to threaten us anymore
like they used to. I mean, maybe that's what's changed.
I think you're right, Dave, Like, maybe they just have
different ways of intimidation or you know. I mean, some
people believe that there's certain like Stan Romanac, for example,
who got accused of these crimes and others in the

(02:14:29):
field that were you know, set up or whatever. I
don't know if that's true or not. I haven't looked
that deep into it, but maybe they go about things
in different ways than they used to in the sixties
and seventies. Maybe it switched, you know, in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
I don't know, but but I'm going to add to
that if you don't mind, because I bet you there
is still an incarnation of the Men in Black that
is more like the movie than chasing down UFO researchers.
What if there are men in Black out there that

(02:15:05):
are literally, lack of a better term, hunting down aliens,
making sure whatever species are here that they have checked in,
they have had their passports stamped, that they have had,
you know, the ability to say, Okay, this is where
you guys could fly in, fly out, this is where
you could stay. These are the disguises you could use,

(02:15:28):
you know, whatever it may be.

Speaker 7 (02:15:30):
You know, yeah, they're all working at the post office
right storting the mail. And the way our male's been
going lately, would I would tend to believe is probably
extraterrestrials back in the mail room.

Speaker 1 (02:15:42):
But you look at Hollywood, and I know I'm taking
a tangent here for a second, Katie, but you're fun
to talk to about this, Okay. If you look at Hollywood,
whether it's The Men in Black or whether it's Independence Day,
the Terminator movies, Close Encounter of the Third Kind, many others. Okay, yes,
there is spacklings of fiction in all of those movies,

(02:16:08):
but there's a reality to those subjects as to why
they were filmed. You know, I look at the scene
in Independence Day about where they go into Area fifty
one into that base in the mountain. Okay, I mean
that is an incredible scene of you know, we believe

(02:16:28):
there are bases out there at Area fifty one that
are built into mountain sides. Okay, if you believe the
Babbla is our story. That's what it's about. And he
told that story well before Independence Day. You know, if
you look at Close Encounters of the Third Kind with
Little Barry, you know, with his toys going all over

(02:16:50):
the place in a childlike humor, thinking this is all
in fun, before he's grabbed and taken and then brought back.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Uh, the way they are taken is incredible, Like how
did Steven Spielberg figure that part out?

Speaker 7 (02:17:08):
You know something, there's there's like easter eggs, especially in
Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The number thirty three
can be found throughout the movie, which I think is interesting.
So I think there's a little hints of truth. So
through these movies, maybe they're privy to some information that
that the general public is not. Little easter eggs are

(02:17:29):
hidden in there. So I absolutely agree with you on
that one. Yeah, it's sort of like conditioning all of
us to be ready.

Speaker 1 (02:17:36):
Absolutely, and I think that I think that that's something
that they are that they have perfected.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
I really do men in black?

Speaker 7 (02:17:46):
Do you think any men in black are aliens?

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
Though could be Well, it's a good way to disguise themselves.

Speaker 7 (02:17:53):
Right, according to this book right here, they come down
and take humans to their planet and use them their
suits is like body suits, and I'm like what anyway, Yeah,
so that's interesting. I'll have to read the rest of
that one. Okay, do we have time to do a
couple more from Connecticut?

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
We do? We got six minutes, six minutes.

Speaker 7 (02:18:12):
Okay. This one is just a common This is called
the Little Men and the Branch Hill Frogmen. So this
is Branch Hill near Loveland, Ohio, but also is reported
in Connecticut. This is March of nineteen fifty five, so
this is an old one too. Basically, there's multiple witness
reporting three foot tall grayish beans with frog like faces,

(02:18:38):
smooth mouths. This is and wearing baggy clothing. So look
at three feet frogmen wearing baggy clothing in nineteen fifty
five Connecticut. That's an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (02:18:50):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (02:18:50):
This one's called the Old Saybrook Window Entity Old Saybrook, Connecticut,
December sixteenth, nineteen fifty seven, between two three am. The
witnesses are miss Mary M. Star and she is a
Yale graduate. So in this particular case, they're saying the
credibility of the witness is really high. She reports observing

(02:19:13):
a dark gray or black object with brightly lit portholes
covering five feet above the ground. Through the portholes, she
saw two human white figures with raised arms, wearing reddish
orange jackets and square rectangular heads. So a square rectangular
head with a red bulb in the middle. I'm not

(02:19:34):
sure what that means. A third figure entered from the left.
As she leaned forward, the portholes faded, the object glowed,
and the antenna like structure, which is kind of also interesting.
In the fifties and sixties, you have like the very
sci fi comic book like I just I picture this
antenna on the ship. Anyway, it emerged oscillating with sparkling lights.

(02:19:58):
The craft then made a sharp right angle turn, turned upwards,
and disappeared at jet speed without a sound. Misstar sighting
of humanoids through the portholes of a landed craft bear
striking resemblance to the reports described in Brazil in nineteen
fifty seven and the Bermuda incident. The glowing eyes and

(02:20:21):
the unusual attire are reoccurring motifs of high strangers cases.
That's an interesting one. Okay, one more, I think we
can squeeze one more in here.

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
Oh yeah, we have lots.

Speaker 7 (02:20:34):
Of time, oh do we? Okay, this one is let's
see Winstead, Connecticut, September fifteenth and sixteenth. This was two
separate incidents back to back in nineteen seventy four. You know,
I love those seventies. So two separate but closely related
incidents occurred in Winstead involving sightings of egg shaped UFOs

(02:20:55):
and small humanoid figures. So again very similar to you know,
the eggs that were seeing reported now, and of course
the famous SoCoRo craft with its sort.

Speaker 3 (02:21:04):
Of egg like shape.

Speaker 7 (02:21:05):
But the first one was reported September fifteenth. A woman
driving near Winstead observed an egg shaped UFO about the
size of a compact car, covering above a barn complex.
The object admitted shifting colors. Shortly after, two small figures
emerged from the barn and stopped by their mailbox near
the end of the road. Maybe they were expecting a

(02:21:27):
cart or something, I don't know. Again, all these ets
in the mail room. The witness described them as diminutive
with unusual proportions. And then the very next day a
second incident with Carol, Luke and Ruth while looking out
of their farmhouse window they saw an egg shaped object
in a field. UFO changed colors and dimmed when car

(02:21:51):
headlights appeared. At the moment, three small figures joined together
and ran back past the barn and to the shadows.
So there you go to.

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
Happen in there?

Speaker 7 (02:22:06):
No, you know, what is it? What the sixties and seventies,
there so many and I'm talking hundreds and hundreds landed
craft with little beans, whether they're working on the crafts
or you're just hanging around the mailbox. You know, it
begs the question, are people just so caught up in
sci fi and it's just kind of piggybacking story after

(02:22:29):
story or did these actually happen?

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
I don't know, Well, I often that, you know, And
I asked almost a similar question a couple of weeks ago,
because you know, in the last couple of weeks, I've
interviewed Steve Pierce twice in regards to the Travis Walton
incident since he was there, you know, and it's made
me wonder, you know, why are we not having these

(02:22:54):
classic tales of Travis Walton, or Betty and Barney Hill,
or or just ordinary people who are you know, hanging
on out at a campfire in the in their far
back forty of their farmland, that all of a sudden
they watch something happen. I mean, we just don't get
those types of stories anymore. And I don't know if

(02:23:16):
it shows that maybe the past was made up a
little bit, or if technology has changed where there's so
many more radio signals and and you know, it's more
of a twenty four hour society, that there really isn't
a lot of time for aliens to come on in

(02:23:37):
and and do things that they want to do, since
they use the spectrum of the night to do most
of their work.

Speaker 7 (02:23:44):
That's that's a really good question. And I've often asked
those same same, very same questions to myself. And also
I wonder, though, you know, back in the sixties and seventies,
with those same reports, just in some of these cases,
if you look into them deep, a lot of times
they have reports of them testing soil or water or

(02:24:05):
using tools. You know, they're testing the humans, they're you know,
doing the shots in the navel and all that stuff.
Maybe they have all that done, like they took all
the samples they need. They kind of know all about us.
So maybe that's why it's changed. Would very well be
they've got all the data that they need. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:24:24):
Katie Page from Rocky Mountain Ranch Research. He comes in
each and every week for a little segment that we
call the Encounters. We'll have her for another fifty minute,
fifteen minutes, then it's time for the weird is the week?

Speaker 4 (02:24:36):
This is spaced out radio and your host's name stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:24:59):
All right? Are clear? This is exciting? Yeah, what's new?

Speaker 7 (02:25:28):
Are you talking to me? What's new? I'm getting all
geared up for an exciting weekend. I will be spending
the night at the Rocky Mountain Ranch.

Speaker 1 (02:25:37):
Oh nice.

Speaker 7 (02:25:41):
We're talking to uh Trey Hudson and we have our
list of we're gonna do the STS session there on
the ranch. We're gonna put the drone up. We're gonna
try just to one of the things that was reported
in the apro is they would put silver and turquoise

(02:26:02):
and anytime they would go out and kind of bait
the land a little bit. How you bait for sasquatch.
We're going to go bait the land with that, just
like they did years ago in the Apple Report, and
just see what happens. I have to tell you that
I'm a bit nervous because both times, well two times
I had significant kind of things happen when I was
filming with Beyond Skinwalker. So I'm a little nervous. But yeah,

(02:26:27):
I'll let you know what happens.

Speaker 1 (02:26:28):
You're going to be fine.

Speaker 7 (02:26:29):
Maybe I won't be here next Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
Oh man, I am the one thing I hate about winter,
and I love the winters here, but just the fact
that I can't get out. It's going to be about
five six months before I get back out to flight
twenty one, right, you know, And it's like that's such

(02:26:55):
a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
It is.

Speaker 7 (02:26:58):
You kind of get the winter blues and all that.
We're looking out for Friday and Saturday. It's going to
be in the mid fifties. Yeah, I think Friday we're
going to be almost to sixty. So we got lucky.
But in Colorado we're the same. We could be hit anytime.
The weather's been unusually warm here though, like usually by now,
we've had a couple of good snows, especially up here
in the mountains, not so much this year, so something shifting.

Speaker 1 (02:27:23):
We're in normal time right now, so I mean usually
by usually last year this time we did have some
snow on the ground, then it melted, then it came back,
but it shifted a little bit where we're not getting
like the heavy snow until like December.

Speaker 7 (02:27:43):
Yeah, so it is. It feels like we're just kind
of doing this and I guess that's normal for you.

Speaker 4 (02:27:48):
Know, yeah, does that.

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
But we've got two and a half minutes.

Speaker 7 (02:27:56):
Oh okay, I don't want to read any more of
these cases until we come back.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
Yes, bad Cop Dave does have a snowblower. I haven't
had to use it the last couple of years. The
snow hasn't been very thick. So right, it's just sitting
in my in my shed waiting.

Speaker 7 (02:28:20):
Are you Are you on property there or are you?

Speaker 2 (02:28:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:28:23):
I have I have just under half an acre. Oh nice, Yeah,
big enough for a riding lawnmower. I love my lady mow.
The lawnmower is awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:28:42):
Anytime you can have a cocktail or drink, just mow,
that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (02:28:48):
You know. What I do enjoy, though, is when it's
like minus ten minus twenty outside and you have a
campfire going in the fire pit, roasting marsh mellows when
it's cold outside awesome, Or.

Speaker 7 (02:29:04):
Sitting in the hot tub when it's freezing out.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
I don't have a hot tub.

Speaker 7 (02:29:08):
I don't anymore either, I used to. I miss it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
Yeah, I would so surprised how many.

Speaker 7 (02:29:15):
UFO sightings we get from people sitting in hot tubs.
Oh yeah, sitting in hot tubs walking their dog. We
smoking a cigarette. That's the other one. I'll smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
And there we had a sighting a number of years
ago of a black triangle and it was starting to
We were sitting in the hot tub, and it was
it was coming over the it was coming over from
southeast to northeast, and all of a sudden, the front

(02:29:48):
light of it did a ninety degree turn off to
go straight east. And the other two kept going until
they got to the handle of the big dipper and
they stopped. Whoa yeah, and they just sat.

Speaker 7 (02:30:02):
There, yeah, going a I want to go hot tubin too.

Speaker 1 (02:30:06):
Yeah. Yeah, we got fifteen seconds. Big Thank you tonight
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wac and Amy for the great super chats tonight. Thank
you for the love everybody. Here we go, Here comes

(02:30:43):
the final half hour of spaced Out Radio tonight. My
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(02:31:07):
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from Rocky Mountain Ranch Research out of Colorado where we

(02:31:30):
are hanging on out and she is giving us encounters
from every state and province in North America. Katie, welcome back.

Speaker 7 (02:31:38):
All right, we are the continuing Connecticut here and i'd
like to say too, now all of these cases I
am getting from ufodex dot com, which is Ryan Woods,
you know, index of just thousands of scan documents from
books and articles and journals and un name it. So

(02:32:00):
it's a very dedicated way to ask your questions and
you can visit ufodecks dot com and ask your questions
and you'll get you get your answers back. So it's
a really cool resource to have for all of us
out there. Okay, moving on to Connecticut, we have the
Highland Lake Strip of lights. This one is a mass sighting.
Who knew there was a mass sighting in Connecticut? I

(02:32:22):
did not until I just pulled this up from UFO deck.
So the date is nineteen eighty eight, and this report
says there were over two hundred witnesses to this airborne
strip of lights illuminating the night sky above Highland's Lake,
which again another water but this is way before. My
first thought it was like, oh, it was probably just starlink.

(02:32:43):
I don't think we had starlink in nineteen eighty eight,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:32:48):
So don't you love it when people give twenty twenty
five answers to nineteen seventies or sixties phenomena?

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:32:58):
Actually, oh it's nineteen eight. Okay, with my glasses is
nineteen eighty six, nineteen note eighty eight. But anyway, so
the lights moved in coordination fashion. The event lasted several minutes.
The area is known for repeated UFO activity, including reports
of bright ovals landing on mountains and glowing objects flashing
red and green along Route eight. So that's interesting. Now

(02:33:22):
that here's another wave in Connecticut, the Boomerang UFO wave,
which kind of reminds me of the Hudson Valley western Connecticut.
So we're talking Danbury, Bethel, Newtown, Brookfield, and reading. I've
never been to Connecticut myself, so I'm not familiar with
these locations. But this is nineteen eighty two through nineteen

(02:33:42):
eighty four. Multiple witnesses, including police officers and professionals, reported massive, silent,
boomerang shaped craft with rows of lights. The objects often
responded to witnesses thoughts or actions, suggesting a psycho interactive component,
which is interesting. You hear that sometimes in these cases
where people feel like they're communicating telepathically even from that

(02:34:05):
large distance away, where they claim that whatever whoever, whatever's
in the craft is aware of their presence and there's
responding mentally to them. So that's a report of that.
So last one for Connecticut. Then we're moving on.

Speaker 1 (02:34:19):
To Quebec Beautiful.

Speaker 7 (02:34:21):
Yes, okay, this is the Danbury Waterbury Interstate eighty four
UFO flap. Another flap along I eighty four between Danbury
and Waterbury, May twenty six through May twenty ninth, nineteen
eighty eight. I knew there was an eighty eight one
in here. Again, hundreds of people saw a huge object

(02:34:42):
with bright lights flying low near Interstate eighty four. Police
initially attributed to the sightings to ultralight aircraft from Candlewood Airport,
but many witnesses insisted the object was a single, massive craft.
The event was characterized by coordinating movements, pure silence, silent,
and lack of conventional aircraft features. So there are no

(02:35:03):
navigation lights, no wings, no propellers, no anything like that.
So a couple of mass sightings in Connecticut. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:35:12):
I love the best sighting.

Speaker 7 (02:35:14):
Yeah I did it too.

Speaker 4 (02:35:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:35:16):
I love these obscure cases. And I specifically when I'm
searching UFO decks, I want to know the ones that
we haven't heard of before, you know. Okay, So moving
on to Quebec. Oh, you're gonna love this, Dave. Okay.
This one is dated October twelfth, seventeen ninety six. Oh beautiful,
seventeen ninety six. This called is called the Bay of

(02:35:39):
Fundy yep. Do you know this one?

Speaker 1 (02:35:43):
No, but I know the Bay of Fundy.

Speaker 7 (02:35:45):
Okay, this is called the Bay of Funday, Quebec. The
early occupant sighting, one of the earliest recorded UFO occupant
encounters in North America, and perhaps the first in Quebec,
comes from the diary of Simeon Perkins, affected merchant and
diarist in Liverpool, Nova Scotia. On October twelfth, seventeen ninety six.

(02:36:08):
Perkins recorded a report from the Bay of Fundy region,
which borders Quebec and New Brunswick, of a strange vessel
seen in the sky. Described this I love, described as
a cube shaped object. Witnesses claim to see men aboard
the object, which hovered and then sped away. A cube

(02:36:28):
sighting in seventeen ninety six. Yes, holy cow, I love
these cube box UFO sightings. They're more common than you think.
I'm hearing them more and more and finding them more
and more. Oh my gosh. Okay, So the second one Shauville, Quebec,
summer of nineteen sixty nine. That was a great summer.

(02:36:49):
Not that I remember it, but I'm just saying it
sounds like, you know, isn't there a song? Nineteen sixty
the summer of sixty nine. Okay, the burned ring and
missing time. A ring with a diana of thirty four
feet was found near a tree railroad tracks in a
hydro electric transmission line. Again we have reports of that
like these times. You know where they see these craft

(02:37:10):
hovering over you know, wires and you know electric facilities
and things like that. Anyway, the witnesses a local farmer,
reported a period of missing time and a strange humming sound.
The event was investigated by Harry McKay, a respected Canadian eufologist,
who found that the grass in the ring was dehydrated

(02:37:30):
and the soil was slightly radioactive. All right, do we
have time for a couple more?

Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
We do? We got uh good, time for two or
three more?

Speaker 7 (02:37:40):
All right, we got it perfect, we have okay, Saint
hyathin Quebec, probably saying that wrong. Saint Hyacinth, Quebec, July twentieth,
nineteen seventy one. UFO and power failure. Again. During a
series of power failures in Quebec, a farmer's wife reported
seeing a large glowing object hovering over a potato field.
The object emitted a high pitched sound and intense heat,

(02:38:04):
forcing the family into their cellar. Investigators Claude McDuff and
colleagues found that the power failure coincided with the UFO
sighting and no thunderstorms were recorded in the area. Okay, then, also,
so when now we're moving on to June twenty fifth,
nineteen seventy four. I love this one wendover Quebec. A
robotic occupant and glowing discs. I like these robotic ones

(02:38:27):
because it reminds me of two B guy at Rocky
Mountain Ranch. He's kind of robotic. Mister Ellen his wife
reported seeing a large dish shaped orange disc covering fifteen
feet above the ground outside their mobile home. Three more
dis joined it, each with glowing red horizontal bars. Three
humanoid robot light figures emerged and examined a nearby mobile

(02:38:51):
home assembly for three hours. The witnesses described the beans
as about five feet tall, metallic and stiffened movement. The
event was covered by local radio investigated by David Branch
And here's a quote that the witnesses said. So the
witness has said the extraterrestrial visitors seemed to examine the

(02:39:13):
shaft and wheel assembly of a nearby unassembled mobile home
for approximately three hours before moving on. The witness is
reported feeling both frightened and intrigued by this encounter, unsure
about what they should do during their time with these
mysterious beings. Can you imagine, Okay, so you're you're in
your mobile home, you're you're you're watching this disc like,

(02:39:39):
you know, for three hours.

Speaker 10 (02:39:41):
Wouldn't you be.

Speaker 7 (02:39:41):
Compelled to like make contact? Or what would you do?

Speaker 10 (02:39:45):
Dave?

Speaker 7 (02:39:46):
If an hour goes by and they're still doing something
across the street, would you make contact? What would you do?

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
I think you'd have to try. I mean you think
so you just can't, you know, sit there and do nothing.
Think about it like you're playing waiting for your lucky
number in bingo, like.

Speaker 7 (02:40:06):
So os out the window something like that. I don't know.
Some of these older cases are just so entertaining and fun,
but yet I still think they're important to look at
because we can pull things that are relevant today and
still make connections to a lot of these things, like
the big box, like right right, I mean I don't know,

(02:40:30):
I don't know, so yeah, I would definitely try to
get a flashlight and communicate.

Speaker 1 (02:40:34):
We got time for one more.

Speaker 7 (02:40:37):
I'm out well then we are good.

Speaker 1 (02:40:41):
That we are very good. Katie Page. Tell everybody where
they can find and subscribe to your YouTube channel.

Speaker 7 (02:40:49):
Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Page.

Speaker 1 (02:40:51):
On YouTube beautiful and your email.

Speaker 7 (02:40:56):
My email is Rocky Mountain Ranch Research at gmail dot com. Yeah,
you can go to my website too and you can
contact me there through that and I'll get your messages.

Speaker 1 (02:41:05):
So well, we appreciate you coming back on spaced out Radio.
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 7 (02:41:10):
Hopefully I'll be back here next week. If we survive
the weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:41:14):
Oh you will, you will.

Speaker 7 (02:41:16):
We'll have a lot to report. Maybe we'll skip it
and just tell you what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:41:19):
We could do that too. We can do whatever you want,
my friend, take care.

Speaker 7 (02:41:23):
Good night, everybody, good night.

Speaker 1 (02:41:25):
All right, let's go to the news.

Speaker 2 (02:41:29):
As God as my witness.

Speaker 3 (02:41:31):
I thought turkeys could fly. Ladies and gentlemen, here is
the latest bulletin from the Ender Continental Radio News.

Speaker 1 (02:41:39):
I am good at things, fighting and reading the news.

Speaker 4 (02:41:42):
It's time once again we're spaced out radios.

Speaker 1 (02:41:46):
Weird news of the week. A self proclaimed fortune teller
and her assistant have been charged with duping vulnerable clients
of tens of millions, not tens of thousands, tens of
millions of dollars. Yes, a fifty three year old and

(02:42:08):
twenty five year old were arrested at a home in
Dover Heights in Sydney's East on Wednesday morning when specialist
police raided their property. The older woman, who claimed to
be a feng Shui master and fortune teller, allegedly exploited
vulnerable clients by persuading them to take out financial loans

(02:42:29):
based on pract predicting there was a billionaire in their future,
while taking a share for herself. The fraud allegedly orchestrated
by the older woman with the help of the younger woman,
is estimated to be nearly seventy million Australian dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:42:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:42:50):
Police seized financial documents, mobile phones and other electronics, luxury handbags,
a forty gram gold bar worth ten thousand Australian dollars
and a big stack at casino chips. Yet the Crime
Commission from the area froze an additional fifteen million worth

(02:43:10):
of assets, bringing the total amount of assets linked to
the syndicate sees to around seventy five million dollars. That is,
one expensive psychic. The older lady has been charged with
thirty nine offenses, including knowingly directing activities of a criminal group,
dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, knowingly deal with proceeds

(02:43:35):
of crime, intend to conceal and deal with the identity
info to commit indictable offenses. The younger woman was charged
with dishonesty, obtaining financial advantage by deception, deal with identity
info to commit indictable offense, and participate criminal group, contribute

(02:43:55):
criminal activity. Financial crime detectives launched the investigation in January
of twenty twenty four in a criminal syndicate targeting Sydney
automotive financing companies under Strikeforce Middleton. The syndicate was initially
found to have been allegedly using stolen personal information to

(02:44:15):
apply for loans through financial companies to purchase luxury ghost
guards that didn't exist WOW. Further investigation revealed the alleged
offending also involved large scale personal, business and home loan
frauds against multiple financial institutions. The two women were allegedly
identified as intrinsically involved with the syndicate, while seventeen people

(02:44:40):
had previously been charged under the Strikeforce Middleton and remained
before the courts with sixty million Australian bucks and assets
in having been restrained. Detectives have been working tiresily to
uncover this fraud. And you know, let me just say this,

(02:45:03):
this is why I have a real problem with a
lot of these intuitives out there, because they are taking
advantage of good people who are going through a tough time.
All right. I know psychic people. There are psychic people
that I totally trust. But when you get people who

(02:45:26):
are vulnerable, destitute, maybe they lost a loved one, they
can't find a job, maybe it's a family who cannot
get pregnant and they're looking for any sort of hope,
these people are predators. Do your homework. Okay, If you
go to a psychic and let's say they charge two

(02:45:48):
hundred bucks an hour, that's fine. But if they say
you have to pay me or you know, in order
for me to cleanse your body of the spirits that
are holding you back from getting pregnant, and it'll be
about seventeen thousand dollars, that's fraudulent, Totally fraudulent. There are

(02:46:09):
good psychics out there. My friend's very good psychics. We've
had a number of them here on this show. But
just be careful because there's a lot of people trying
to take advantage of you. All right. I don't know
what this guy was thinking. I really don't, but this

(02:46:30):
falls into the Dave category of dumb. Mauricio Hoyos remembers
the pressure that the jaws of a female Galapagos shark
exerted on his skull. The animal had lunged at him
with astonishing speed, giving him barely enough time to duck

(02:46:51):
his head at a latched, last ditch effort to protect
himself and his jugular vein. When the shark closed its jaw,
I feel out the pressure of the bite. After what
I think was a second, it opened again and let
me go, Hoyos said from his home in Baja California, Mexico,
a little over a month after surviving the incident. Hoyos,

(02:47:14):
a marine biologist with over thirty years experience studying sharks
in their natural habitat, was on a research trip in
Costa Rica when he was attacked by the shark in September.
Less than two months on and still bearing the scars
from the attack on his face, he describes his recovery
as incredible and says he even hopes to encounter this

(02:47:37):
assailant again. What what are you thinking, mister Hoyos? For
this gentleman, what happened to him in the day in
the waters off the Cocos Island is the result of
normal animal behavior when confronted with a perceived threat. In
this case, the bite was like a dog's, He said,
have you ever seen out dogs when another dog gets

(02:47:57):
too close, throw a quick bite. It doesn't hurt, but
it calms the other dog down. Hoyos, who was with
his colleague, attaches acoustic tags to sharks to help pinpoint
their mating and spawning grounds. As part of his work,
was alerted to the shark's presence of the water by tourists.
It was at a depth of about forty meters, and

(02:48:18):
Hoyos told the captain of the boat he was on
that he would be there for a maximum of five minutes.
He then entered the water and began his slow descent.
Hoyos recalls encountering the shark. The giant female measuring between
three and three and a half meters, so it's around
ten to eleven and a half feet, swam by and

(02:48:38):
headed toward the bottom, and I positioned myself to tagger
at the base of a dorsal fit. But Hoyos, who
has tagged many kinds of sharks of the decades long career,
says this animal reacted differently to others. Obviously, the tip,
the metal tip attached to the cable hanging from the probe,
goes in and unlike other sharks I've tagged, that immediately

(02:48:59):
flee she turned around and stared at him. I saw
her little eye looking at me, and I saw her
very calmly turning around. Hoyos then said that the sharks
gazed at him, and this wasn't romantically by the way.
The shark was gazing at him as it swam away,
but then suddenly, out of nowhere, it lunged at him.

(02:49:20):
I lowered my head and what felt like it was
lowering its jaw, digging into my cheek and my upper
jaw into my head. I was there, I imagined for
a second, no more inside the jaw, and then it
completely opened up again. When it closed, I felt the
pressure of the bite, and then it just let me go.
The Galapacho sharks twenty nine serrated teeth not only left

(02:49:43):
Hoios with deep wounds to his face, and head, but
also severed the airline of his diving apparatus. He had
survived the shark attack, but still in mortal danger because
he didn't have any air Like leave the sharks alone. There,
you can cross another place off this planet. I'm not going.

(02:50:06):
In North Carolina, a woman will have to pay one
point seven million dollars after a jury found her liable
for destroying a Durham couple's marriage. The lawsuit, filed in
Durham County Court, accused Brene Canard, an influencer with nearly
three million followers on TikTok and over two hundred and

(02:50:27):
seventy four thousand on Instagram, of seducing and having an
affair with her manager, Tim Montague. She was receiving justice
from losing her husband and the father of her children,
says Robinetta Jones, who was the attorney for Akira Montague,
tim Montague's ex wife. The jury found Kennard liable for

(02:50:47):
criminal conversation and alienation of affection. North Carolina's alienation and
affection law allows the suppouse to sue the person they
blame for the affair that ends a marriage. North Carolina
is one of the few states that allows jilted spouses
to continue their anger and take it out on the
person who may have caused it. Yeah. Akira Montague, who

(02:51:11):
brought the suit to civil court, married Tim Montague in
October twenty eighteen, and you know, Kennard slammed the verdict,
saying that Montague knew her marriage was over and allowed
the affair. She gave her consent. Kennard said, she has
said it was okay because she knew her marriage was
over and it was done.

Speaker 3 (02:51:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:51:32):
Apparently not. This lady wanted to absolutely cash it on this.
This isn't precedent either. In twenty eighteen, NFL star Fletcher
Cox was sued by a North Carol line of man
named Joshua, who claimed the football player had an affair
with his wife. The lawsuit ended in an undisclosed settlement. Yeah,

(02:51:54):
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