Nov. 14/25 - Bama Bigfoot with Chrls Lee - Spaced Out Radio

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our website. We're gonna get into Bigfoot tonight down in
the beautiful state of Alabama. Chris Lee is here to

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talk about it. All his knowledge research, the books he's written,
in the stories that he's been told.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's going to be a great show.

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Indeed, then in hour number three, Swamp Dweller will be
here for another spooky story. We're going to follow that
up with the Q and A with Lee Strauss. So
let's get right to it tonight. This is going to
be a lot of fun. Chris Lee is an accomplished
author and researcher specializing in Bigfoot and other North American cryptids.

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Based in West Alabama, where he has lived for more
than thirty years, Chris combines his background in education and
counseling with a deep passion for the unexplained. He holds
an undergraduate degree in secondary education in a master's in
Community Counseling from the University of Alabama. I guess he
rolled tides all the time? Roll tide? Is that what

(03:45):
it is? Roll tide? Well, we'll figure that one out.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know what, college, let me just interrupt here for
a second.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Canadian colleges and universities do not have those type of
traditions that they do in the United States. So college
football all time or basketball time. I love I love
it because you get all these really cool traditions and
and nicknames and everything. It's just it's a beautiful thing
you have going on down there, America.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You really do.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Let's continue on here, because you know otherwise I'll end
up talking sports all night long.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
All right. Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Chris is bringing a thoughtful, human centered perspective to his investors.
His books his field research explore the mysterious intersections of folklore,
eyewitness accounts, and enduring questions of what really walks in
the forests of the South. If you want to find
his books, you could go on Amazon. Chris Lee, it
is great to have you on spaced Out Radio for

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the first time.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
How are you.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
I'm doing great, It's great to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Did I get it right with roll Tide?

Speaker 5 (04:49):
You sure did. That's what we say roll tide rome.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Now what does that mean for those of us who don't.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Know, Sure, well, it's the Alabama Crimson Tide. And that's
our that's our cheer man.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I love it, I love it. Thank you for explaining that.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You know what I gotta Before we get started, I
got to tell you a Bigfoot story that I heard
this afternoon because I know you love a good bigfoot story,
I do, okay. So a good friend of mine, Jim,
his son and my son play hockey together, and just

(05:28):
a great guy, a humble guy. And in my area
where I live in central British Columbia, we are surrounded
by millions of acres of forest, and of course there's
a lot of bigfoot sightings up here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
And Jim is a logger. He's a logging truck driver,
and so every day he starts work at a He
gets up at about two two thirty in the morning
Monday through Friday, and he drives his rig into the
logging areas and at the end of the day he'll
park his truck there, leave his truck so that way

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the crew can get it loaded for him. In the morning,
he then takes the logs out to the lumber mills
and then drives back, picks up another load, so on
and so forth. Here's the problem. A couple of weeks ago,
Jim was doing It's three o'clock in the afternoon, parks
his truck at the logging site and then takes off,

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goes home, gets back to work about three o'clock in
the morning. And what they do before they drive, they
have to do a full inspection on the vehicle, and
as he's doing his inspection, he notices a giant handprint
on his truck. Now, he says, when he left that

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day at three o'clock, he left with the rest of
the crew because now we're into the season where it
starts getting dark around three o'clock, three four o'clock, and
as we get to the salstice it the sun will
be setting probably around three forty five. That's how north
I am. And he's like, Dave, God is my witness.

(07:14):
This handprint was not there. It is much larger than
a human handprint, and I'm going to put this up
on my social media for everybody to take a look
at this. Jim has given me full permission to use
this photo. Okay, but that handprint is massive. Those fingers

(07:34):
are long, and it is very wide. What do you
think of this handprint, Chris.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
I would recommend that he put up a trail cam,
maybe two or three of them in the area if
he can, because obviously there is something going on over there.
Appears to be much bigger than a human's.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
He said, yeah, So on the photo for our radio audience,
I'm gonna explain. There's like a white sticker on this
piece of metal on the truck. Now, that white sticker
is about the size of a cell phone. If you
take an Apple iPhone or a Google phone and you

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lay it horizontally, that's about the size of the sticker.
This handprint goes right over top of that sticker, and
you can see by the length of it that those
fingers are at least four to five inches long.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah. Interesting, I would look for other evidence if this
happens again. I think it would be worth Now did
he find this, did you say at night?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Or was he found it at three o'clock in the
morning when he was doing his pre work inspection on
his semi truck.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Okay, well, I'm sure he probably had a flashlight close.
I think it would be worth a look around the truck,
just to see if there was any footprints, see if
there's any other evidence that handprint was put there for
a reason. I mean, something did it right. But you know,

(09:21):
when you're approaching something like this, I don't mean to
rain on anybody's parade. I don't mean to doubt the story,
but you have to look at all logical possibilities. Absolutely,
are his coworkers apt to maybe playing a joke on it.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, this is one thing. This is one thing about
the forest camps. Okay, there isn't because they are dealing
with a lot of danger in dangerous areas. They don't
when they get to the job site. It's like the military.
I mean, you can joke and play away from the
work site, but when you're at the work site, it
is time to work. It is time to get go

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because we're getting into that season where it's cold, the
days are short. You have to get done what you
can get done throughout that day to get home safe.
And the danger of logging is extremely high.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Okay, Okay, so you've convinced me this is not a
hoax by one of his coworkers messing with him, So
we can eliminate that. So I would say the next
thing would be, I think it'd be worth a look
next few nights to go out there with a flashlight

(10:37):
and very carefully take a look around, and honestly, Dave,
I would tell your friend to be honest toes.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh yeah, and I got to talk to him.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I got to find out what area this was and
see if we can sneak in there, you know, because
a lot of these logging areas they get taped off
at night, and a lot of them even at times.
For the bigger crews, it's not so much around here
because they don't get a lot of gears stolen. But
this isn't the first time I've heard of logging crews

(11:09):
having interactions with sasquatch. The last one I heard was
in my area was in twenty eighteen, where this logging
crew had had shut down for the day, they went home.
They went back the next morning at about three o'clock,
four o'clock in the morning, and they found a bunch

(11:33):
of tracks around their gear and one of their giant
They used that giant equipment. They're not using a little
bulldozer or something that you would see the city use.
They're using giant equipment. And one of the pieces of
giant logging equipment had a giant dent in the set
in the side of it because there was about a

(11:55):
three hundred pound boulder sitting on the ground right at
it that was not there the day before. There was
footprints all around it.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Interesting, yeah, that there were footprints all around it.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, huh.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Now, I never was able to get out to that
area unfortunately, But I tell you, when the loggers speak
of weird things going on, yeah it is. It's a
true blue story in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Up here, I believe it too. The footprints, do you
know how big they were? I have to ask.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Back then they were? I think he measured them at
about eighteen inches.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
That sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's a big boy man.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yes, yeah, sounds like you got something going on up there.
I think it would be uh, I think it'd be
worth it to put up some trail cams if they can.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, if we can find some trees in that area,
because they'll.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Clear cut it, well, mount them on something. Yeah, we'll
have to try, and I'll contact but I'll keep you
in touch with that.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I will sure.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
I'd love to hear more about that.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, let's learn a little bit more about you, Chris.
How did you fall in love and educated man such
as yourself? How did you fall in love with Bigfoot?

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well? It started when I was just a little kid.
My parents and I went out to the mall and
there happened to be an art show out there. Now,
this is the late seventies, you know, when the Frank
Freshetta art. Fantasy art was very popular, so these were
all local artists and they were, you know, just showing

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off their artwork. And there was one of this big
giant creature and this lady was several feet away from it,
trying to protect a small animal, and all she had
to defend herself and the animal was a little knife,

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and that's it. And this was fantasy art. And I'm
looking at this big, giant, scary ape like thing and
I asked my dad what is that and he said, well,
that's Bigfoot. And I think a friend of my dad's
just happened to walk up and he was messing with
me a little bit and said and I said, what's Bigfoot?

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And the guy said, oh, it's this scary, big creature
that lives out in the woods. And of course I
got nervous, because when you're a little kid, you believe
everything that people tell you, especially an adult. And as
I was starting to kind of get up tight, Dad
was like, no, no, no, no, it's just a legend,

(14:38):
just a myth. It's not real, honestly, Dave. We were
getting ready to go on a father son camp out,
and I think he was afraid I was going to
back out of it, and I was just about to.
But anyway, that was my first exposure to Bigfoot, and
I really didn't think about it after that. And then
a couple of years later, I'm in the fifth grade

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and we were going to the library, our school library,
and we had this wonderful school librarian named Missus Malone.
She was just absolutely wonderful. In my most recent book,
I've named the library and Missus Malone after her. But
what we would do is hear a story and then

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we could walk through the stacks and pick out a
book and then check it out and take it home
with us. And it was a little tradition that after
the after we had all picked out our books and
figured out what we wanted, we'd go around the room
and show everyone what we got. Well, I picked out

(15:44):
a book by Ian Thorn called Bigfoot, and they're a
little hard to find now they're out of print, but
it was a really cool book. I read over it
a little bit, so when we got around the room
and it got to me and I showed everyone the

(16:04):
book that I picked out. You know, the whole room
erpted in laughter that I would pick a book on
such a silly subject. But it was a very good book.
I enjoyed it. Really, I feel like the joke was
on them. They missed out on a very good book.
But you know, that was kind of the attitude there

(16:24):
in the late seventies early eighties. Bigfoot's not real, it's
just you know, you know, And of course the Patterson Gimlin,
you know, the clip was out there, but people really
didn't know what to think of it, and so I just,

(16:45):
you know, I really didn't think any more about Bigfoot
too much through the eighties. Of course, I saw Harry
and the Henderson's, me and my family loved it. And
up in North Carolina where I grew up. Now, originally
the family's from Alabama, but eighty two, I was about twelve,
we moved to North Carolina, and I love living in

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North Carolina. That place really has a real mystique to it,
especially in the mountains, and I would talk to people
who had lived in the mountains, and of course I'd
asked this Bigfoot legend would come up from time to time,
and the locals that I talked to and the people
from the mountains that I knew in Charlotte, they all

(17:29):
pretty much said the same thing. No, we never saw
any big footprints, We never saw any evidence of Bigfoot.
Anytime there was a Bigfoot story in the area, it
typically turned out to be a mountain man dressed in
bear skin who wanted to be left alone, a hermit.
But you know, they weren't causing trouble, they just wanted

(17:50):
to be left alone. So that sounded like the most logical,
plausible answer to a lot of people, that it was
a human being, or sometimes it's a diseased bear, because
you know, when a bear has mange and it's lost
all its fur, it can look eerily almost human like. Okay,

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So I didn't give much thought to Bigfoot after that.
That kind of burst my bubble because I wanted to
believe that there was still something out there that we
haven't yet discovered. I think that's why so many people
are fascinated by Bigfoot, in the Bigfoot legend and ex
creatures in general. With all of our knowledge and everything

(18:36):
we know or believe that we know about the world,
I think a lot of us want to believe that
there's still something out there that we haven't completely discovered. Okay,
So in summer of nineteen ninety three, we'd moved back
to Alabama. I'm a student at the University of Alabama.

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And when you come to tuscal in the summer these days,
there's all kinds of fun stuff to do, even though
most of the students are home. There's all kinds of
neat things to do. But in the summer of nineteen
ninety three Tuscaloosa, there wasn't a whole lot going on,
not much to do. And I had a full time
job with the summer job with the university. I wasn't

(19:20):
taking classes. I was saving up money for the fall,
and you know, I'd do my forty hour week job.
But in the evenings there wasn't much to do. And
I was living in a house next to the Stadium
football stadium with a bunch of other guys that had
been built like seventy years ago and had no central air.

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And let me tell you, summertime in Alabama, even at night,
it can get real uncomfortable if you don't have air.
So after I was off of work and i'd have
my dinner, I had to go somewhere, you know, I
just I couldn't take it. Sometimes, so I'd go over
the library, and you know, it was air condition. It

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was comfortable in there, and I decided, Okay, I'm going
to get a good book. This is before computers and internet.
Couldn't sit down at a computer station and surf. So
I'm looking through the new books and I came across
this book called big Footprints by Grover Krantz. And I

(20:23):
had not thought about Bigfoot much in a while. But
when I sat down and read that book cover to cover,
it made a believer out of me. He went into
such detail about the footprints, and of course he analyzed
prints that were fake versus footprints that were believed to

(20:46):
be real. He has a really good chapter on the
Patterson Genlin film. And again I had not thought about
Bigfoot in a while, but it made a believer out
of it. You know, I started thinking, well, good grief,
you know, maybe there is something. There is something out there.

(21:08):
So but still I didn't discuss it that much with people.
You know, it still, even at that time, most people
didn't really take that seriously just yet, and things would
change eventually. But I remember one time in one of
my counseling classes, I brought up the Bigfoot phenomenon. My

(21:31):
classmates kind of gave me that look you know, like Chris,
I don't know if you want to go there. But
then later into the late nineties when you started seeing
all these history documentaries on the History Channel, and I
think it became more and more widespread that, yeah, maybe

(21:56):
there could be a North American ape out there. It's
just what I think. What's holding everybody up is, Okay,
if there's an eight foot tall beast out there, ape
like creature, that's the male and females can get about

(22:16):
seven feet maybe taller, and there have to be a
breeding population. I haven't we found them. Well, that's a
very good question. But and that's a good way to
explain it away. But we've got the footprints, we got
the Scuokum cast, we've got the Patterson Gimlin film. So

(22:40):
we still have all of this evidence. You know. That's
just the mysterious thing about this legend. You know, We've
got handprints on trucks, all kinds of interesting evidence out there,
but we still can't prove definitively that it's real.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Let me hold you right there.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
So we got about a minute to go here before
we go to break at the bottom of the hour.
Chris Lee is our guest name why do you think,
after so much time, so much evidence, we still have
that knock against the Bigfoot that it's real sure?

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Because we really we have to find a live creature,
you know, I'm really that's the last stage of discovery,
when you are when you're trying to prove that a
new creature exists. There's five stages. Grover Krantz listed them
in his book, and I apologize I didn't memorize him,

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but he pointed out, we really can't get past stage one. Now.
He wrote that book in the early nineties. We know
a little more, a lot more about it since then.
That book is a really good snapshot of what we
knew about the creature. Then we have to find one,

(24:04):
you know, we have to find a a I don't
want anyone to try to shoot one. We can talk
about that a little later. There's a lot of reasons
why I wouldn't want somebody to do that. We need
to find a live creature. A lot of people are saying,
you're gonna have to show me a real one before
I believe it. I used to say that I don't

(24:26):
necessarily feel that way anymore.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, I thought.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Chris Le, author researcher, out of the beautiful state of Alabama.
We're gonna talk some big Foot. You can find Chris's
books on Bigfoot more on Amazon. This is spaced out radio.
We'll be right back with the second half hour. All right,

(25:06):
we're clear, buddy, good start, good, thank you. It's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Oh it is it is. That was a good start
with the with the handprint.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You like that?

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Eh, Absolutely, there's something going on up there.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh, my friend, I have I have a couple of
places up here that are pretty interesting. But I'm always
looking for more. Absolutely, always looking for more. B Arthur
is running to the store everybody who needs anything. B
can he grab you a bottle of PEPSI? If you

(25:44):
don't mind, I'd appreciate it. Don't run, that's a that's
a good idea. Don't run. You don't want to hurt yourself.
You don't want to pull a groin or blow out
a hip.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
I've had hernia surgery. I never want to do that again. Yeah. Well,
I worked my way through undergrad and graduate school lifting furniture,
and I paid for it.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
B Mara, how are you, pilgrim? Thanks for coming on
in chasmtas nice to have you here. I'm a cream soda.

(26:47):
Can you get me a cream soda? I know you
live in Idaho, but I will take a cream soda.
Thank you, Beth. I would accept that PEPSI if you
could throw one to me, make sure that you tape
some taco bell to it. Do you ever go investigating

(27:17):
on your own, Chris?

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Not yet around here. I had not heard a lot
of Bigfoot stories until I published those books and then
started doing radio and telling my friends about it. And

(27:40):
then lo and behold, people started coming to me saying, well,
I've got something to tell you, and apparently there are
sightings around here. I'm gonna have to look into.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's good.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
In the Alabama, in the state of Alabama.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
How far away are you from the forest?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Oh? Goodness? Here in west I live in Tuscaloosa, but no,
not far. You know, my parents live in a very
wooded area outside of Birmingham. We haven't had any sightings,
but you know, I have begun to hear stories in

(28:23):
the central Alabama area of things that can't completely be explained.
I'll look into it.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Have you met researcher Cumbo.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh, you got to talk to him, all right? All right?

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Love, to meet him.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Let me just I can get used number.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Sounds good. I'd like to talk to him.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Let me just see something here first, Yeah, Tim Kumbo
Baker all right, Yeah, I met him at Nebraska Bigfoot
Conference last year. Guy's amazing and he lives I think
he lives near Huntsville.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Okay, not far away.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, well, he used to work for NASA a long
time ago.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Sure. Now, North Alabama's gonna be a lot more mountainous
and a lot more forests, you know, as compared to
Central Alabama. A lot of forests around here, but it's
gonna be more mountainous.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Up that way is, get up closer to Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
All right, my friend, we have about forty five seconds.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
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(31:32):
in Alabama, is here and we're gonna get into it.
You wanted to talk about the Patterson Gimlin filmy, you know,
because it was fifty or what was it, fifty seven
eight fifty seven to fifty eight years ago that the
video came out, and then recently it was just that anniversary,

(31:54):
and just recently it was the anniversary of that video becoming.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Pub on national news. Sure your thoughts of it all?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Do you believe that's a big Foot or do you
think that is somebody the Halloween costume?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Good question, One hundred percent. Believe it's a Bigfoot, And
I will tell you why. I didn't always think that.
And in the big Foot book that I checked out
as a kid, there was a very grainy, black and
white photo from the film. I tried to show it
to my friends. They said, no, that's not anything that

(32:29):
somebody in Minesota has to be. But as the digital
analyzing techniques have become more sophisticated, and I believe at
the start of your show we did see a clip
of that that was a good example of it. More
and more, I'm beginning I really believe that is a

(32:51):
real creature. Now many duplicates have been made, and the
last time I read up on it, I believe the
original film is currently misplaced. I like to think it's
just maybe tucked away somewhere safe and somebody knows where
it is. I hope it has not been destroyed for

(33:12):
some reason. I hope it's located at some point. But
once you begin duplicating a video or a film whole
film like that, it's gonna lose definition with each generation.
But earlier generations of that of the original film have

(33:35):
been analyzed, and I think, I like what the late
Jeff Meldrom pointed out about it. You can see the
del toy, the erector spine down the back, the shoulder
blades moving under the skin, the quads contract like they're

(33:57):
supposed to. I believe he was one hundred percent accurate
about it. And you would think as digital analysis techniques
become more sophisticated, we would be able to disprove the
film if it really was someone in a suit. Okay,

(34:20):
but that's not the case. If anything, these digital analyzing
techniques seem to be furthering the discussion and giving more
validity to the video. So at this point, you know,
just based on current evidence, I believe the film's authentic.

(34:41):
I think it is a I believe it is a Sasquatch.
I believe it is a female Sasquatch. And the thing
about that creature, it is consistent with other descriptions of
a big foot that have been floating around for years.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
So well, the thing that convinced me that it was
real was the breasts.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes, and I think what happens, And I've said this
numerous times on the show, so I'm probably repeating myself
to a lot of listeners. We look at that video
in a twenty twenty five manner, We do not look
at that video at the state of the United States
in nineteen sixty seven, where things were extremely conservative. They

(35:38):
were still measuring women's bathing suits at the beaches, you know,
to make sure they weren't more than an inch above
the knee.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
You know, it was a very, very.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Cultured society that hadn't exploded yet into free love, free sex, sex, drugs,
and rock and roll. And when you look at it, say,
even from a nineteen eighties, nineties, two thy, twenty tens,
even twenty twenties perspective, I can see where a lot
of people look at it and say, oh, that's so fake,

(36:10):
it was so done up. But nineteen sixty seven, these
guys are not going to take the time to sew
a pair of breasts on this as a joke. Yeah, Okay,
I've heard people try and say, well, the costume was
too big, therefore it was left over that was pushed

(36:30):
to the front makes it look like breast. That is
the lamest excuse I have ever heard. You can see
how the breasts are shaped. Not that I'm a you know,
I'm an expert on boobs, you know, or anything like that,
But the breasts, to me are the are the million
dollar answer to a million dollar question.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yes, adding the female anatomy to a fake costume is
just one other detail that could be scrutinized and disproved.
So I agree with you. Grover Krantz agreed with you
when he wrote his book that I think that would

(37:15):
I don't think it would be realistic to think that
if that really was a suit, that they would go
to the trouble of adding one more detail that could
be disproved. They would have shown a male sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I agree with you. I totally agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know, and if they were playing a joke on that,
they probably would have done a male sasquatch, which a
with a very large appendage, if we could put it
politely that way, they probably would have That's why I
haven't heard a good argument from a skeptic on this
video just yet. And if you try and find if

(37:58):
I want to get your opinion on this, but if
you try and find anybody who has tried to mimic
that walk, it looks completely fake. Yes, there's no leg muscles,
there's no shoulder movement. People sway their arms like they're
singing in the rain, dancing your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
People have tried to mimic that video with an actual
suit and they can't do it. It cannot be done. You
see muscles flexing. Another good point about that video, with
all of the detail that you see and the anatomy

(38:47):
of that creature. The best Hollywood had to offer at
the time was Planet of the Apes, okay, which was
a very good movie, but that was the height of
the costume technology at the time. And of course there
was the King Kong versus Godzilla movie that was made

(39:09):
at the time, and yeah, cool movie for it. Today,
I still like to watch it every now and then.
I love the old horror movies. But still it doesn't
approach what we're seeing in that video, you know. And
it's not just the anatomy that we see in that
video when we analyze it, it's the behavior of that

(39:32):
creature interesting that it just it handled the situation, I
believe very intelligently. I believe bigfoot sasquatches are very intelligent,
and I think they have figured out they need to
stay away from us. Okay, so and I see I

(39:56):
think we see an evident of evident example of that
with the video. You know, Patty, as the creature is
called after Patterson, she just casually gets up and walks away,
you know, And that's a really good strategy when you
see a potential predator, you know, don't do anything to

(40:19):
alarm it. Don't just get up and run because it's
probably going to come after you. Just get up and
walk away, like seeing a lion in the jungle, just
keep walking. But she got up, she glanced behind her
to make sure she wasn't being followed, and she just
casually walked away and disappeared.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
There was no panic in her. Animals panic, yeah, okay,
people panic, Yes, she didn't panic at all.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
She did not. And it does make you wonder if
she was looking after other creatures in the area. That's
been speculating. But I believe the creature handled it very intelligently.
Just get up and move if it was someone in
a suit. They were taking their life in their own hands,

(41:13):
because you know, Gamblin was standing there with a rifle.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And that's exactly it, you know. I mean, even even
during the filming in the Pacific Northwest of Star Wars
Return of the Jedi, they had to forewarn the person
who played who played Chewbacca not to go wandering off

(41:39):
of the forest because hunters were there and they may
want to shoot a sasquatch. Like he wasn't allowed to
wander around off the set from his in his costume.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
He couldn't do.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
And I'm glad they warned him of that. To anyone
out there that wants to try to prove the existing
existence of Bigfoot by taking a shot at it and
bringing in the dead carcass, I would caution them not
to do that. I would ask that they not do that.
For one reason, you might be shooting a human being

(42:18):
in a suit. It might be somebody in a suit
playing a joke. Okay. The other reason is, let's assume
it is a real sasquatch. I don't believe they are
out there alone. I think they are a communal They
are communal animals. And if the story from Ape Canyon

(42:40):
is true, and I'm going to take it at face
value that it is. There's others out there and they're
going to be mad.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. What do you think Bigfoot is?

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Well? Grover Krantz had a very very good point about
that might be a relic population of Giganapithecus. But the
problem is we don't know a whole lot about Giganapithecus.
We do have mandibles and the parts of the jaw

(43:19):
that tell us a little bit tell us there was
a large ape at one point. We have not found
those fossils in America. They've been found in Asia. I
think four of them have been found. We also need
more of the jaw to tell us whether or not

(43:40):
it was a bipedal creature or quadrupedal. We don't know
that possibility. So it would tell us how the skull
and the jawbones sat on the spine. But I think
that that's the best, the best theory I've heard so far.

(44:03):
I haven't heard a better one.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm still unsure because I believe this creature has the
ability to do some very special things, yes, and just vanish.
Do I believe it's flesh and blood?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
But I also believe it has a supernatural ability to
do things that just defy physics and science. And look,
I live in the wilderness, man where I know that
animal camouflage changes throughout the seasons, and they are the

(44:45):
perfect hunters and gatherers. Doesn't matter whether you're looking for
a grouse or a ptarmigan, or you're looking for a
mountain lion or a sasquatch. They know how to camouflage
themselves and use their natural ability to hide in case

(45:06):
of danger. And that's not just not humans. That's wolves,
that's that's mountain lions, that's moose, that's dear it's whatever.
You know, my area is surrounded by wolves. You never
see one. You know they're there, but you never see one.
And I agree with that, But I've had a couple

(45:29):
of instances, personally Chris, that have really distinguished my ability
to say there's more to this than just a just
a flesh and blood creature that's walking open around the
forest trying to figure out what it's going to do
the next day.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Sure, there are theories or there are questions about how
they are able to get away so quickly. Patterson Gimlin
film that creature just disappeared completely out of sight. No,
the footprints were left, but that's all that was left people.

(46:11):
I think what people are really wondering about is you
see the footprints and then they stop, and you wonder
why did the footprints stop? Where did it go? Now? Again,
when you're thinking about it from a research perspective, you
have to consider all possibilities. And of course I'm not
not trying to, you know, disprove anyone else's theory about

(46:35):
the supernatural aspect. But I think a lot of times
when the footprints just completely stop, then it's because they've
realized I'm walking in mud. This is dangerous. I'm gonna slip,
and I better change my direction and get on solid ground.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
I mean that humans do that. You know, when you're
walking through the mud, it can get slippery, and if
you don't try to get out of the mud as
quick as you can, you're probably gonna slip. I'm wondering.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think there's some of that, but I will put
you to the test here. You give an example. In
my area and a lot of areas around North America,
when it snows, yes, you can follow prints everywhere, and
yet the Prince just vanish or.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
The point is make you wonder, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
But that's part of the argument, and it's and I
know a lot of people get really passionate about this
and they get angry and they let their emotions come out.
But to me, that's one of the fun parts. Why
can't it be both? You know, why does it have
to be one and not the other? Why can't it
be both? It just have some fun that we have

(47:50):
this amazing creature that's out there that wants to be
left alone, the world's hide and Seek champion, and yet
here we are, you know, screaming on social media. It's
flesh and blood. It's it's it's interdimensional. The sasquads are
people are too and need voting rights, you know. I mean,

(48:12):
I think it's hilarious sometimes.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yes, I think it's okay to have different opinions about
it and try to explore what we know about it
and to speculate, Okay, why is that happening that way?
What is the evidence telling us? Until we can locate
the breeding population and study them, it's all open to speculation,

(48:38):
I think, and I think a lot of it is
they come out at night. I think they are basically
a nocturnal creature.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
That's why I name my book the Night People. You know,
that's really where that came from. I believe it's the
Otachi tribe. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. But there's
a native a Mayor contribe that caused them the night people.
And when I heard that, I was thinking, Okay, I
found the title of my book because the book was

(49:08):
about the novel was about finished and I was looking
for a title. And when I heard that, I said, oh, perfect,
So you know, so you know, I went with it.
But I think they're a nocturnal creature, and I think
they keep to themselves. I think they are communal. And

(49:33):
if there was another story that i'd heard about a
minor there in British Columbia nineteen, I believe it was
in the nineteen twenties, nineteenth Albert, Yes, that's the one.

(49:54):
Let's take you know, let's take it at face value.
He was telling the truth, because I think he was.
What I find fascinating about that story is they were
a family group and they communicated with each other somehow so,
and he could see different different emotions, different the way

(50:17):
they were reacting to it. I think the female bigfoot
didn't like him being there, but of course the male,
the father, brought him home, and uh, from what I
recall about the story, they didn't necessarily want him to leave,
and I think he gave he you know, he was resourceful.

(50:38):
He gave the father a big pouch of tobacco and
the father didn't know what it was and swallowed it,
got sick, and then he made a break for it.
But interesting thing about that story, he didn't tell it
for years.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
You know, I know the area where that happened, really
I do. I've never been there. You got to take
a boat up there, and if you know me, I'm
allergic to boats. Scare the hell out of me.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I would love to go up and try and find
that spot. And I'm really surprised that over the years
there hasn't been a documentary series to try and figure
out where that happened because that area is so remote.
There's no people there. You know, this creature can walk freely,

(51:31):
you know, much like you know, if it was a
human and you wanted to walk freely naked around the forest,
you could do that there. Because there isn't a soul
that's going to see you. Yes, you know, so I
could totally see that that happening with the sasquatch just
being out there doing its thing.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Sure, I think there's definitely opportunity there for a documentary
and to examine that area. I would say, don't go alone.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh no, yeah, no, no, I don't care what anybody says.
In the British Columbia Wilderness, you always go unless you're
near the Vancouver area, like Harrison Hot Springs, which is
famous for Sasquatch sightings. Unless you're in that area, don't

(52:24):
go into the forest unarmed. Bring your pointy stick because
you don't need to worry about the sasquatch. You need
to worry about everything else that's out there.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Absolutely absolutely. I haven't been there, but I've heard the stories,
and yeah, it just makes sense. You know, you have
to be ready to defend yourself.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Very true, It is very very true. We got about
ninety seconds ago before we have to go to break
at the top of the hour. Chris Lee, author and
researcher of sasquatch down in Alabama, and when we return
from the break, we're going to get into some of
those Alabama stories. Chris, why do you love this subject.
What does it for you?

Speaker 5 (53:09):
I want to believe there is something out there we
haven't discovered. And with all of this evidence that we have,
with the footprints and the uh mainly it's the anecdotal
evidence that we have over the last several hundred years
from Native Americans, from explorers to the present day, they're

(53:34):
saying something, something is out there. I look at that excited.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Your entire perspective changes on this creature the second you
find a footprint. Sure it. I remember my buddy Mark,
longtime hunter, longtime hunting guide, animal tracker, everything, did not
believe in sasquatch until I showed him a footprint at

(54:08):
a spot in the forest. He kneeled down beside that
print for about twenty minutes and just said, I don't
believe this. I cannot believe that. Like what is this?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I don't believe this, Like this should not be here,
this should not exist. I mean, this is a guy
who could track anything. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
And to watch him have that emotional reaction, that dumbfounded
reaction to it, it was absolutely amazing. Chris.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I'm gonna get you to hold on right there, because
we are going to go to break here at the
top of the hour. We love talking sasquatch bigfoot on
this show, and we're going to continue it nowur number two.
We're gonna find out from Chris about some cool stories
of sasquatch in Alabama.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
This is faced out RAYU with Hopes, Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
All right, we'll be right back from the break. Guys,
give it a couple of minutes. I hope you're enjoying it.
And oh, it looks like we have a comedian in
the room. We have a comedian. See if you can
find out who it is. Yeah, this is like Bob Sagat,
not funny. Ray Romano, not funny. I love those type
of comedians.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
We'll be right back. I am back.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It is snowing beautifully outside Sor headquarters right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Got about an.

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Inch and a half of snow outside warm, near freezing temperatures.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Hey, there's number forty four in your program tonight, starting
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all right, Chris, you having fun?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Hold on, let me unmute you here. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You haven't fun A lot of fun. Appreciate that, man.
I'm glad to hear that mood andsmongole, how you doing.
My dad's farm was near Vegerville, Susan oob to Joe's mane.

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You've got big feets.

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You can find his books on Amazon. Chris, thank you
so much for being here tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Sure, it's good to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Tell us about the Sasquatch at Alabama.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Well, here's the interesting thing about sasquatching Alabama. As I
was looking into that, you would think that if there
were any sightings, they would be concentrated in North Alabama,
up in that area because it is hilly, mountainous and
a lot of forests, a lot of dense forests. And

(01:03:14):
that's and yes, there have been sightings up that way,
but also down in South Alabama as well, which I
found very surprising, towards the coast. So you know that
that is fascinating something to think about, but maybe not
that surprising because you have a lot of sightings down

(01:03:36):
in Florida the Skunk Ape, so maybe it's not surprising
that even all the way down into Florida you're gonna
have people possibly seeing things. But since you'd asked about
an Alabama bigfoot story, I'm gonna go ahead and tell
you one that happened actually within our family. And this

(01:04:01):
is not something that I have told a lot of
people about, but I had some relatives who used to
own a tree farm. They don't have it anymore, but
we used to go down there a lot, and it
was a beautiful place. It was very dense forests. And

(01:04:22):
when they first acquired the place, I said, well, there
been any book foot sightings. They laughed and said, oh no, no,
that's not possible. So they owned it for a few
years and we had a lot of fun there. But
then one night, one of my elder relatives, who is very,
very level headed, very practical, he was standing out away

(01:04:49):
from the house and just to describe this place, the
house was not near the road, it was deep into
the property, and there weren't just there were lights, floodlights
on the house but when you turn them off. I
mean it was dark out there. I mean just just
completely dark when you get away from all the street

(01:05:09):
lights and all the lights of any city. I mean
it was dark. And I noticed he was standing out
away from the house watching something in the darkness. And
it was odd because something was it would walk one
way and then turn around and walk the other, and

(01:05:33):
it was like it was pacing back and forth, but
he couldn't see it. And then I figured it was
probably a coyote. Okay, that would be the most logical thing.
I mean, that's I didn't immediately go to Bigfoot, of course, not.
You know, it must be a coyote or something like that, bobcat,

(01:05:55):
because we did see those on the property all the time.
And then I heard this relative yell out, identify yourself.
And I got scared because we were miles away from anybody, Okay,
there were not close relatives that to think that someone

(01:06:17):
else was on that property with us, that was scary.
And so I stood there with the relative for a
second and nothing happened, and I asked him what happened,
and he said, I saw eyeshine out in that darkness,
and just for a few seconds, something was looking at

(01:06:41):
me and it was a little taller than I was. Okay,
So now not that this is why we left. We
just happened to be leaving at that time. But that
did hasten the exit. Packed everything up and we left. Now,

(01:07:03):
looking back on it, if we had stayed, it would
have been fascinating to go back out the next morning
and see if any evidence was there. Okay, and again
you want to be practical. It could have been an owl.
Owls have I shine, But the speculation is sasquatch have

(01:07:23):
I shine as well. Humans do not. So whatever eye
shine he saw, it wasn't a human.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
How high up was the ice, he.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Said, taller than him and this relative is six feet tall.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It's a tiny one, but still intimidating. Nonetheless, now are
there bears in the area.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
No, we never saw any bears. This was kind of
further south into South Alabama. Not that you wouldn't see
a bear, but we don't see a lot of bears
around here. Now we are at the tail end of
the Appalachian Chain in Birmingham, and it's not out of
the realm of possibility that a bear just following that
mountain chain will end up here in Alabama, but it

(01:08:13):
doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
A lot, right, right, It has to be intimidating for
when you've never had an encounter with a creature that
up close and personal, to be all of a sudden,
you know, feel like you're the one being hunted as well.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Absolutely absolutely, I would say to anyone if they believe
they are in the presence of a sasquatch, proceed with caution,
don't do anything to agitate it. There are a lot
of reports that they are docile creatures for the most part,

(01:08:56):
and then I've heard other stories that they're not. I
think there are different reasons for that. I think they
are intelligent creatures that have different personalities like human beings.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Whereas the Patty sasquatch in the video wasn't aggressive, she
just wanted to be left alone, okay, and so she left.
But I think any of those animals, if they felt threatened,
or if they felt like you were threatening one of
their own, you could be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I would agree with you on that, and I also
I also think that it comes down to territory. For instance,
the ones here in the Pacific Northwest seem to be
a lot more docile, you know, with the exception of
Ape Canyon, or you piss them off somehow, okay, But
if you go down into the Bayous of Louisiana or

(01:10:00):
into the swamps of Florida, they seem to be a
lot more smaller, a lot more compact, a lot more
aggressive and angry. Have you noticed that in your research
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Yes, there could be a reason for that. And again
I'm not trying to disprove the sasquatch legend here. But
the thing about Florida, it is a very warm climate,
possibly the warmest climate here in the United States. And
for years you had roadside attractions where somebody could see

(01:10:35):
a chimpanzee or they could see some kind of ape,
some kind of primate, and there are stories of them
getting loose, or maybe the owner didn't want to mess
with them anymore and turned them loose to fend for themselves.
I hope those stories aren't true, but I have heard that,
and it's not either realm my possibility that there could

(01:10:56):
be a breeding population out there, I've heard that theory.
I know that that's been a problem in Florida with
the other exotic pets. Large boil constrictors that have gotten
very big. Anytime you have a predatory, a non indigenous
predatory species introduced into a new environment, that's never good.

(01:11:19):
It's not good for the animal, not good for the
other animals in the ecosystem. But you know, a lot
of the bigfoot sightings might be escaped primates. I don't know,
and they would act differently than what we believe sasquatches
how they act. You know, that's just one theory. I

(01:11:40):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Now when you say other primates, are you saying maybe
monkeys or gorillas that have escaped.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Possibly a rangutangs. I don't I haven't heard of a
gorilla escaping, but I've heard stories of orangutang's chimpanze, these
monkeys getting loose and they're gone, and a lot of
places in Florida for them to hide.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I've heard, like along the Texas Louisiana border that there
could be actually tigers that have run into or escaped
captivity or were purposely let go in order to go
roam in the forest. I mean, could you imagine if
they if they had the ability to breed, I mean,

(01:12:34):
you'd see an expanding tiger population there pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
That is frightening. You know. I hope you know. There
are there are laws out there that protect exotic pets,
and I would encourage people to follow them. You know,
it's not good for the animal and it's definitely not
good for the people when the animals are to get loose.

(01:13:00):
They're smarter than people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Think, oh very much so. And they adapt very easily
to their environments. And a tiger can live anywhere in
a swamp or in a snowy mountainous area.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Yes, you know, they're very intelligent creatures.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Very true, very true. Have you ever heard of sasquatch
attacking people?

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
I have heard stories of that. That's why I would
say proceed with caution.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Obviously there's the stories about eight Canyon, but those, assuming
you know, let's take it at face value that the
story is true, those sasquatches had a reason to be upset.
Those guys had just killed one of their own, shot
it and it, you know, and then got washed away.
So assuming that's true, yeah, I can see why the

(01:13:57):
animals were furious. So I think if you mentioned their territory,
I think if you're encroaching into their territory, if you're
making them feel threatened. Sure, like any other creature, they're
going to defend themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I would agree with you there, and I just I
couldn't understand what it would be like or even wanting
to be in an area where you've upset these creatures.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Yes, yeah, I would say proceed with caution. But if
I believe the creatures were in the area, my temptation
would be to just my thought process would be to
just leave them alone. I would put up trail cams,
I would watch for footprints, I would have plaster ready.

(01:14:52):
I always have a camera with me. I love photography.
I've got a digital SLR, So I would take the
pictures of the prints and any evidence that I found.
But I would not try to agitate them in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
No, that just doesn't seem like a good idea. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
It's like seeing Mike Tyson out in the out in,
you know, at a shopping mall or a casino and
upsetting him. You know, I mean, you're only You're only
doing that to your own danger.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
Sure, sure, you know you can say hello and keep going.
But you know, celebrities in general, they like their space,
you know, And I think the same can be said
about sasquatches.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Out of all the people you have interviewed on this subject,
have you been able to while you're putting pen to
paper figure out any patterns of what people are seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
And when I haven't had.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
A chance to do a lot of interviews about it,
I grew up with stories in North Carolina people telling
me about it. I do hope to get into more
qualitative search about research about this subject at a later time.
But what I have done is look at all of

(01:16:17):
the inegotal stories that we have throughout the last several
hundred years, first with the Native Americans, the explorers, and
then of course the people that live here. And what
further gives credibility to this legend is all of the
common traits that you tend to see over and over,

(01:16:41):
the crest of the head of the skull, the large stature,
the way they move, and of course the smell, the stench.
You know, that's always like a little precursor to the sighting.
And many aces when they're close by, you suddenly have

(01:17:03):
that smell sounds like it smells like rotten eggs and
body odor and faces. And when you smell that, you
know usually something's going on. You know, it's like a
little warning right there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Very true, Very true.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
I mean I always look at the way people react
to being in this creature. Do you think that this
let me rephrase that. Sure, many people believe you don't
find sasquatch. It allows you to see it. Yeah, what
do you think of that theory?

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
H there is a lot of sense to that theory.
But I still think, you know, basically, I think these
are creatures that don't necessarily want to be found. But
if you're encroaching on their territory or they are protecting something,

(01:18:09):
I could see the bigger males getting a little aggressive
and letting you know, hey I'm here, Okay, back off.
But I think for the most part, I think they
try to avoid humans. I think a lot of the sightings,
in many cases, you just happen to come upon one,

(01:18:31):
just like Patterson and Gimlin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
You mentioned smell. Yes, explain that smell to people who
may not know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Well, that's always a story or a trait that comes
up in the stories that and this is why another
reason why I think they're very similar to humans. Whatever
they are, they they have some kind of stench to them. Well,

(01:19:04):
you know, if a human being has lived out in
the woods all its life, and of course never bathed
and never used the odor, and yeah, they're gonna have
a particular odor and the creatures. A lot of times
it has been reported that right before they saw the creature,

(01:19:28):
there's this overpowering smell that was just absolutely just enough
to knock you over. And that's another trait that people
had mentioned over and over. And I had a little
fun with that with my recent book The Night I

(01:19:48):
Survived Bigfoot. That's about three twelve year old boys that
sneak out in the middle of the night to see
if they can prove the Bigfoot legend. And I had
a lot of fun in writing that book. But uh, yeah,
that's a big part of it. You know, they smell
the smell and they think it's one of them, one

(01:20:10):
of the you know, the boys started, you know, they
start accusing each other, but that's not what it is.
There's a creature in the area, so you know, a
little lesson there. You know, you go looking for something,
you just might find it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
How does one know when they're in a Sasquatch area.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
That's a good question. I don't recall a lot of
eyewitness accounts in heavily populated areas, you typically don't hear that.
They're very typically I think in a very densely wooded area,

(01:20:53):
out away from people, and they I think they tend
to keep to themselves. And I think if you're you
have a campsite, you go hiking, you come back, your
campsite's been disturbed by something. Yeah, it could have been bears,
it could have been some other animal. But look for

(01:21:13):
those footprints, you know, start looking around a little bit,
and uh, well, you know, anytime your your campsite's been
disturbed while you were gone, Yeah, you need to realize
you're not alone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
That's very true.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Next thing is look for those footprints.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
It's funny you mentioned that because last year when we
were out at our investigative area, we were gone from
base camp for twenty minutes and when we came back,
there were footprints footprint in front of our tent.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Oh incredible. Did you have any plaster with you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Our ground here is so hard you cannot get asked.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
Oh, okay, okay, what about a camera?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Oh we got a camera on it? Okay, good, Yeah,
we got a camera on it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Good. I would also suggest maybe putting a ruler next
to it to give it some perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Oh, yes, got to have that, got to have the
ruler that that is one hundred percent for sure. I
carry a tape measure with me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Sure whatever works, mm hmm, whatever works. But that that
is uh, that's fascinating. Yeah, something's out there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
We got two minutes ago before we have to go
to break At the bottom of the hour, Chris Lee
is our guest night.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
We're talking Sasquatch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
In the next half hour, Chris, we are going to
get to a few audience questions that we have for
you tonight. But just your overall thoughts. Is it going
to be tougher to try and prove Sasquatch with all
of these AI videos that are coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Now? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Oh? I really wish people wouldn't try to send in
fake videos. I think there is a there is something
out there, and we need to look at credible evidence.
And I think we got a lot of people out

(01:23:19):
there just trying to get attention. It started with people
with big wooden footprints leaving footprints everywhere as a joke,
and now with the technology it's advanced into that I
would encourage people not to do that. Whatever's turned in,
let's let it be authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I love a I'm really falling in love with Ai,
I really am. But I think when it comes to cryptids, UFOs,
ghost the subjects that we love, we have created a
monster pun intended that is not going to propel the
field further. In fact, I think it's going to regress
the field in what we do. And this is where

(01:24:03):
I also think more eyewitness testimony is going to become very,
very interesting and more important than it's been in years
since before the social media revolution.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Sure, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I'm going to get you to hold on because we
are going to go to break here in just a
few seconds time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Chris Lee is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio.
It's having a great time talking Bigfoot with him. Anytime
you get to talk Bigfoot or any sort of cryptid, it,
you know, it just sets the tone for a good night.
And that's what we're doing. This is why we have
fun talking these subjects. I hope you are enjoying this

(01:24:45):
as well. We're going to get to some audience questions
from our chat rooms right after this. This is spaced
Out Radio. The second half is next.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
You're listening to Space Down video with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
All right, we are clear.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Oh, Deb, you make me laugh for the record, Deb,
in my jeep, I always have toilet paper, and I've
always got wet wipes always.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
You have to.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Yeah, I made too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
It's funny because before I moved up here a decade ago,
I was so not mister Forrest. You know, I didn't
I didn't own a gun. I didn't I'd never really
shot one I had. I had, you know, no concept

(01:26:04):
like if I went out of the wilderness, it was
it was going into populated areas where people already were sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Excuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
And so when I moved up here and started going
into the forest with my with my newfound friends, it
was like, I have no clue. I have zero survival skills.
If the world were to end tomorrow, I could not survive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
And that's when I started learning about it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Sure there are ways, oh yeah, but yeah, I keep
I keep provisions in my trunk, you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Oh yeah, you know, my jeep is full, you know.
And and it's weird because every year I think of
things that I don't have, you know that you know,
I'm looking. I'm thinking about it the other day, like
I don't even have a blanket. It might jeep, Like
why do I not have a blanket? I should have
a blanket, right, I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
Have an insulated hunting suit. It would be like wearing
a sleeping bag.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
And of course in Alabama, I don't need that year round,
but there are just a few months like in December, January, February.
It might be good to have that in the trunk.
You just never know, right, But not during the summer.
You sure don't need it in the summer around here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Yeah, summertime here is pretty good. Yeah, it gets pretty hot.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
But we hid one hundred degrees somewhere in April and
it stays that way. It could stay that way into October,
possibly November.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Yeah, we don't get that hot. We don't get that hot.
It's temperature here right now on right now it is
zero celsius thirty two fahrenheit and snowing.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Oh yeah, I'm supposed to snow tonight tomorrow, Monday, a
little bit on Tuesday, and then more on Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
We see snow here maybe once every three or four years.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I think, Well, I get it for six months.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Yeah, yeah, I like it when it's like this, even
when it's a little bit colder. But when it starts
to get to that minus twenty five to forty celsius, sure,
that's where it starts to hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I don't like that. Sure, you know, I give meye.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
I should say I can handle minus twenty seven twenty eight,
But anything after minus twenty seven twenty eight it starts
to get painful.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Sure, that can be dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Oh yeah, it feels good in the lungs though. Man,
Look when you're breathing in that cold air, Oh does
it feel good?

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Now, I grew up in North Carolina, where it got
a little you know, it got colder than it does here.
Up there, we had actual seasons, you know, around here
it's just hot and cold. But what I liked about
North Carolina. I lived in Charlotte. We had actual seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Oh nice, yeah, yeah, we get all four seasons here.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Yeah. I love Alabama, But North Carolina just had a
mystique to it, especially the mountains, And anytime there was
a trip to go to the mountains with my friends,
my family, my church, I was there. I love the
mountains of North Carolina.

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Chris Lee is our guest tonight on the show. We're
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Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Chris Lee is here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
You can find his books about Bigfoot and other great
topics on Amazon. We're talking Bigfoot tonight, Chris. Thank you
so much for being here. How you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
I'm doing great. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
I'm glad you're having fun.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
It's it always makes it better and the guests is
having fun. So thank you for doing that. Let's get
to an audience question right off the bat here. Let's
go to Shelley. Do you think the only reason we
can't get confirmation of existence is because the entire economy
would collapse forestry, tourism, hunting, fishing, like the owl drama

(01:32:10):
we had a while back that happened in Oregon.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Sure, Grover Krantz made that point. You have to consider
that if, when, if we are able to prove the
existence of a North American ape, there's going to be
thousands of square miles of forestland that will be declared

(01:32:36):
a natural habitat for an endangered species, and yeah, that
would have an impact on things. So yeah, you have
to consider that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
I think that's a topic that is not discussed enough.
We've discussed it here, but I think it's a topic
that really isn't discussed enough because what people don't realize
is when they find it in what they would consider
an endangered species or a brand new species, they shut
down that area everything. You can't go for your hike,

(01:33:10):
you can't take your dog for a walk, you can't
go geocaching, you can't camp, fish hunt, you can't log there.
And there are loggers out there that have millions of
dollars invested in these lands to log, and if all
of a sudden there's a new species or a protected
species that's been seen in that area, they shut it

(01:33:32):
down and then they put it into an environmental study
that could take years. Yes, and those people who have
invested their money the time, maybe they have a cabin
in the area or whatever it may be, they are
out of luck. They just can't go do their thing,
especially if you're running some sort of tourism or logging

(01:33:57):
slash mining corporation.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Absolutely, uh, that is something to consider. You know, I
don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:34:08):
That.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
You know, you have to think about that. So I
really it's hard to say completely how the world would
be impacted if we were able to finally definitively prove
that these creatures exist. But that is something to consider.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
It also adds a question, and I apologize for cutting
you off there, but it also adds a question. Do
you think they want to prove the existence?

Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
It's, uh, it's hard to say, you know, It's it's
a lot of speculation right now. It's we're trying to,
you know, decide how exactly the world would be affected,

(01:35:03):
how a lot of people would be affected if we
did prove this creature existed. Can we prove definitively that
this creature exists? I'm beginning to wonder if we can.
I tell you something that really is beginning to concern me.
I'm thinking this relic population may be dying off. I

(01:35:25):
think before we can discover that they're out there and
study them and see if there's anything we can do
to help them, they may eventually become extinct, you know,
and I'm concerned about that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
I would agree with you, I would totally agree with
you on that. Let's go to another question here, let's
go to Apple Sauce. If Bigfoot was a ghost, do
you think she would look like a wind to Go.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
I am familiar with the wind to Go legend. Oh,
I don't know how we would research that one.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Possibly where do where do you take a stand on
all the other cryptid creatures that are out there?

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
Okay, well, there's a lot of them to look at.

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
The other one that's fascinated me over the years is
the Lockedness Monster. The lock is not a landlocked lake.
It does open up to the North Sea and it
is possible. So if the Lotness Monster exists, I believe

(01:36:39):
it's a bottom dweller, possibly a giant eel or you know,
something of that nature. It's a bottom dweller that rarely
comes to the surface. But the jury is still out
on that one as well. I've never been to that

(01:37:00):
part of the world, but I do have friends who
have gone to Scotland and they have been around that area,
and they tell me that the locals were swear that
it is true and that they've seen it, that they've
seen something. But again it goes back to we want

(01:37:22):
to believe that there is some part of this world
that we haven't completely discovered. You know. Now, a new
cryptid that I've started hearing about here in Alabama is
the Alabama White Thing. Have you heard about that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Fill me in. I love this new stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
Well, it's pronounced Alabama White Thing. Not think th h
I n g. It's th h a n g. And
the sightings have been up in North Alabama. There is
an Alabama White Thing Facebook page and it's supposedly a

(01:38:02):
creature with white fur that is very ferocious. And when
I wrote book before Last, The Night People, I decided
it's time for this creature to become famous because there
hasn't been a lot said about it. So there is
an example of the Alabama White Thing in that story

(01:38:25):
when you read it. But right now, again, you have
to look at these with a very practical mindset. At first,
you have to eliminate all logical possibilities. First. I'm wondering
if it's a diseased bear or a diseased bobcat, something

(01:38:47):
like that. In other words, an animal, a predatory animal
with mange, because when all the hair falls out and
the skin is just burning, itching that I feel horrible
for those creatures. There's no way for them to get treatment.
You know, they can't be taken to a vet. They
just they're they're running around, you know, this horrible itch

(01:39:10):
burning and all over their skin. Of course they're gonna
act crazy, you know, So you have to eliminate that possibility.
But there is getting there's more and more stories that
it could possibly be something else. So Jerry's still out

(01:39:31):
on that one. I think with cryptids like Bigfoot and
lot Ness Monster, would give them more credibility in my mind,
would be the hundreds of years of anecdotal qualitative data
that we have from numerous people over numerous centuries. Alabama

(01:39:52):
white thing is something that's relatively new, but I think
something to keep on the radar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Do you think it could be some sort of albino
type species of the creature.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
Maybe that's a possibility, you know, I mean, it happens
another animals in the animal Kingdom, a sasquatch that's an albino.
That is theoretically possible as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Yeah, I often wonder that, Like I know in British
Columbia here the spirit bear is very highly honored and
protected species. There's only one area of British Columbia and
the world where these bears live, and that's on the
BC coast, you know, probably a couple hundred miles from

(01:40:50):
where I am right now. But we also there's also
what they call the Spirit moose, which is albino moose
that are illegal to hunt because they're so rare and
steeped ind First Nation tradition and legend. So I'm wondering
if these type of creatures like Sasquatch is a good
friend of this show. Jessica Jones, we call her the

(01:41:13):
Cryptid Huntress, she says. The Alabama White Thang is a large,
hulking bigfoot type creature that has been reported throughout Alabama
since the early nineteen hundreds. Residents describe it as being
around seven feet tall, monstrous looking, and covered with white hair,
like an albino bigfoot. In nineteen seventy one, numerous reports

(01:41:34):
of the Alabama White Thang were reported around Huntsville, and
reports continue to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
That's just wild, sure.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
Now, when I say it's a relatively new thing, the
legends hitting the mainstream, it is a relatively new thing,
but yeah, the stories have been floating around up there
for a while now. As a kid, I lived in
North Alabama, went hiking a lot in North Alabama and

(01:42:03):
camped up there in a few places, and it never
came up, you know, but we never saw any evidence
of it. But even living in Alabama all the years
that I have, I've only recently started hearing about it,
you know. So but yees supposedly that there have been

(01:42:28):
sightings going well, you know, way back. Now, there's another
reason why it might not have hit mainstream until recently.
You know, we are better informed now with the Internet
and social media and that kind of stuff. But a
lot of times locals don't want to talk. And that's
true also with Bigfoot. They may know it's there, they

(01:42:52):
may know something is there, but they don't talk about
it with outsiders for various reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Yeah, we have that happen here with the not only
the First Nations, but a lot of loggers as well.
For the loggers, they are more they are more scared
that this may cost them a logging job.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Yes, well, that's the first thing. People think. You know,
something's wrong with you if you think you have seen
a mythical creature.

Speaker 8 (01:43:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
But the other thing is I've been nervous about outsiders
coming in and interfering with what I'm trying to do,
you know, whether it's logging or something else. I want
to be left alone to do my job, okay, And
I don't want to have to deal with a bunch
of outsiders coming in and possibly getting me hurt, getting

(01:43:53):
themselves hurt. You know, a lot of times with sasquatch stories,
with the stories of cryptids in general and ghosts, people
tend to kind of keep that to themselves a lot
of times. And I can see.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Why hundred percent. Let's get to another audience question. Let's
go to Adrian here. When comparing hair samples to sasquatch,
what do you think comes closer ape or human?

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
Okay, with hair samples, I think I have read on
that some sometimes they find hair samples of apes of
unknown origin. Now, sometimes when the researchers get these hair

(01:44:44):
samples for DNA analysis, boom right off, they can figure
out what it is. You know, bears human, you know,
no problem. But that's another thing that really makes you wonder.
Sometimes though, get a hair sample that it's an ape

(01:45:04):
of unknown origin and leaves it open to speculation, so
it could be further proof.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Yeah, it's a difficult subject. I'm trying to find that
proof that that is absolutely for sure. Let's go to
Jules here. What's your thoughts on dog man.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
Dog man that you're talking about the Michigan dog Man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah, apparently he's been seen all over.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
Okay, funny, you should ask. In my book The Night People,
there's an example the Michigan dog Man, and I'll just
let people read it again. You have to eliminate all
of the logical explanations, you know, you have to take

(01:45:53):
a look at that first. Yeah, sometimes bears can stand
up on their hind legs. They've been known to do that.
That could be a disease bear with the you know,
with mange and all the hair fell out, and when
that happens, bears do tend to look eerily human like

(01:46:17):
in their body. You know, that could be one explanation
for it. Or you know, there could be could be
they're saying a sasquatch, you know, we just we don't know.
You know, that's a good question. Or it might be
a new species. You know, time will tell.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
I wonder about it. And you know what's funny is,
in the last couple of weeks, I've heard more people
talking about where wolf sightings and where wolf people having
interactions with were wolves all of a sudden, like I
don't know where this is picking up or why is
he been picking up? Yeah, you know, even like north

(01:47:03):
of me. I have a friend of mine who investigates
the paranormal up there, and she was telling me that
in her place where she's investigated for years, all of
a sudden, people have had a pair of werewolf sightings.
People are hearing howl's coming out of there. Now. Is
it possible that it's a wolf or a wolf pack.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Yeah, but if it's maybe a singular wolf, sure, But
apparently people have seen this, this dog man werewolf.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Like creature in that area. It's creepy interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
I hope it's not somebody in a suit. They're taking
their lives in their own hands.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Well, especially right now because it's hunting season and it's
in the wild. It's in the wilderness, yes, right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Well way out away from where a lot of people go.
You know, anything could be possible at this point. You know,
it deserves further research. But you know, as far as
shape shifting, I think I see the comment there. You know,

(01:48:16):
that's not something that I would believe in personally. People
have their different different opinions. I respect that, but shape shifting,
you know, it's not something that that I would I
believe in. You know, as far as a relic creature

(01:48:37):
or a misidentified creature that we know about, I think
that would be a more plausible theory.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
We have five and a half minutes to go with
you tonight. Chris Lee is our guest talking Bigfoot of Alabama.
Let's go to Pilgrim here. Chris, do you think Bigfoot
and werewolf could be related? I'm fighting with the werewolf
for hard ranking Satanists transform. Well, I wouldn't take it
that far, but you know, yeah, to teach their.

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
Own, Yeah, to each their own. Okay. Uh No, I'll
be honest with you. I'm a nigh vangelical Christian and
I don't believe that shape shifting is a thing. You know.
I would tend to think that it is a either
a miss identified creature or possibly something new. You know.

(01:49:33):
To me, uh, this is not fantasy. I don't believe
my books are fantasy. They are science fiction. This is biological, speculative,
biological science fiction. That's what I do. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
All right, let's move on to deb here. Could you
talk about any cryptid, which one and why outside of Bigfoot, that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
Is, outside of Bigfoot. I've been fascinated by the Lockness
Monster for years. I think there is something in that
locke that deserves further study. I am fascinated by the
Florida skunk ape. You know that that could be a

(01:50:26):
relic population of Bigfoots down there. I've I've got several
cryptives in my book The Night People. That's actually a
cryptid zoo. You will be taken if you read that book,
You'll be taken through a paranormal cryptid zoo with all
kinds of creatures. I'm especially fascinated by the Mochili movembe

(01:50:54):
legend over in Africa. There could be some sort of
relic dinosaur living over there, and it's possible, you know so,
And that's another thing that I hope. As I was
discovering Bigfoot as a kid, there were reports of a

(01:51:14):
possible Bronosaurus type creature living in that area of the world,
and I was hoping that more would be said about it,
and then suddenly nothing more was said. But uh, you know,
a relic dinosaur that still exists, I think that would
just be fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
What do you love to write about.

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
When it comes to fantasy. I love writing about cryptids
and the way people react to it. But I also
throw in a lot of human emotion into my stories,
and I put it in the context of the American South.
When you read my books, you won't always you won't

(01:52:00):
also you'll read about cryptids, sure, but you will also
read about Southern people and the way they react to things. Sometimes.
I love doing that. I've lived that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
As you delve more into the Bigfoot world, do you
think there is going to be an interconnection with other creatures,
whether it's other cryptids, whether it's paradormal or UFOs.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
I don't know about UFOs. That remains to be seen,
but I think proving an existence of Bigfoot could definitely
explain other cryptid creatures. You know my thoughts about UFOs.
I think that's potentially experimental secret aircraft that we don't

(01:52:55):
know about yet. You know, the F one seventeen we
saw at night teen eighty nine, and it looks so
sleek and modern looking, but all throughout the eighties the
people were reporting seeing these black triangles at night, and
then we find out the F one seventeen took its
first flight in nineteen seventy nine, so it's basically seventies technology.

(01:53:20):
But if we had the F one seventeen in nineteen
seventy nine, makes you wonder what's out there now? And
I think that could explain a lot of UFO sightings.
You know, again, I'm going to look at the most
logical explanation first, but if we can discount that, then yeah,
I'll go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I would agree with you on that one hundred percent.
And you know, yeah, it's funny you bring up the
F one seventeen. A good friend of this shows legendary
aviation historian Jim Goodall was the first civilian to actually
take a picture of the F one seventeen Nighthawk amazing
twenty seconds left. Do me a favor, tell everybody where

(01:54:03):
they can find your books.

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
You can find them on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
They are under the name See Lee because there's a
lot of Christopher Lee's out there, obviously, but they're under
the name See Lee. The first one is The Night People,
a novel about the paranormal. The other one is The
Night I Survived Bigfoot. It's a young adult novel, but

(01:54:28):
adults will love it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Chris Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Everybody, thank you for coming on in, Chris, we appreciate it.
Coming up next unspaced Out Radio, Swamp Dweller, then Extra Small.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Lee Strauss is here for the Q and.

Speaker 6 (01:54:42):
A to spaced Out Radio with your host, Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.
Thank you very much. I hope you had some fun,
my man.

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
I did. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Absolutely not a problem. Stay in touch with us, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Absolutely yeah, you do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Take care of my friend. All right, you too, all right,
Chris Lee, everybody, great guy, Absolutely, great guy. Thank you.
I'll be right back.

Speaker 9 (01:55:53):
When Dave comes back. You guys seem to ask him
if he chewed his food, everybody in chat. He's to
ask him repeatedly if he chewed his food. It's important
to know this before we get going here tonight. I'm
letting you know, all right now, USUA.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
All right, I am back deb Rooney with a hat
trick tonight. I did chew my food tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
I did. Lee actually texted me tonight and I said
I was chewing my food. How you doing, buddy? You
get your mic on mute. Still don't hear you, Hi,

(02:00:20):
Paulie Roderman, How you doing? Lee?

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Must have set this up? Everybody asking me if I've
chewed my food? Now I got you, Lee. Okay, there
you go, Now I got you. We got thirty five seconds?
Were you telling everybody in the chat room to ask

(02:00:57):
if I chewed my food?

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
You must have you know it?

Speaker 5 (02:01:01):
You know it?

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Oh Jesus you You're just a shyster contrary one. How
you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
Thank you to Debor Rooni with a Hatrick Shelley, Noble,
Patrick cat Chaser, Von Patrick, and Candice, thank you very
very much, appreciate it. Here we go, everybody, Here we

(02:01:35):
go with the third and final hour of spaced Out
Radio tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Good to have you with us. My name is Dave Scott.

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Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
Let's head to the swamp.

Speaker 8 (02:02:35):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller.
In tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the Uno, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Speaker 9 (02:02:49):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 7 (02:02:54):
It was nineteen forty two and everyone was feeling the
weight of World War II. Throughout the United States, small
towns were busy manufacturing all the weapons and supplies needed
to aid the US and its allies to victory. Pascagoula, Mississippi,
is a small but growing town built on the coast
and was at the time the perfect place to build

(02:03:16):
warships and the like. With all the open jobs in
the area, the population began to boom and see lots
of new faces and personalities come into town. Something truly
strange and honestly kind of creepy began happening in the
summer of nineteen forty two. Though, on June fifth, nineteen
forty two, an unknown assailant of the night cut a

(02:03:38):
hole into a screen window at the Lady of Victory's Covenant.
After climbing into the room via the window, the unknown man,
who was short, slightly overweight, and wearing a white sweatshirt,
as described by the two girls he awoke in the
room he had broken into. Oddly, though, the only thing
reported to have happened by the girls was that they

(02:03:59):
were both missing a single lock of hair. Now, most
people would assume one will break into someone with intentions
of robbing valuables, murder, or possibly even more sinister acts,
but this guy just wanted hair. Only a few days later,
on the following Monday, this unknown barber struck again once again.

(02:04:22):
He had cut open a hole in a screen window.
He snuck into the room and found six year old
Carol Piatti sleeping next to her twin brother. He cut
her hair and left the scene, but this time he
had left a single bare footprint. Now this case, for
some reason, just freaks me out a bit. It gives
me shivers to think that someone could break into your home,

(02:04:44):
wander around the place you feel safe, and potentially do
anything they want to you as you're defenselessly sleeping. It
doesn't make me feel any better that this guy also
wants to mess up my sick hairdo. It is speculated,
but not proven, that the same guy the previous cases
also attacked a sleeping couple. He snuck in through a

(02:05:04):
screen he had slit, typical behavior by the assailant. So far,
neither person was killed, but this time no hair was taken.
He also had attacked another victim by using chloroform alligedly,
but again this is just speculation amongst the locals. After this, though,
a local fifty seven year old chemist, William Dolan, was

(02:05:27):
arrested and charged with the crime against the sleeping couple
who were attacked. This leads many to think that the
Phantom Barber was him, simply because of the way he
entered the home. Seeing as the Phantom Barber was pretty
popular in the local news at the time, it could
be that he was copying the crime to try to
throw people off his own trail of crime. Either way,

(02:05:48):
the Phantom Barber has never officially been caught and seemingly
skipped down after the news of William Dolan being arrested.
Maybe the phantom barber was William Dolan, or maybe the
cops just wanted to pin the case on someone and
call this a case closed. Perhaps we'll never know.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube
hit subscribe, ring that bellance. Swamp Dwether's channel, thousands of
stories there for you to listen to each and every night.
Speaking of great stories, it's time for Lee Strauss from
Element one point fifteen on our YouTube channel. Here's the
Q and A.

Speaker 10 (02:06:29):
They call extra small bodies, big wearing counts, chasing midfoot
through the woods on wild accounts, talking ghosts. Send the
Dark UFO, Send the sky Aliens laughing while they're cruising by.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
Ellis trousers out there. Hear that cosmic call.

Speaker 10 (02:06:49):
He's the legend Development one fifteen, Hero spaced out radios.

Speaker 5 (02:06:53):
Q and A.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Wee Strauss, It's always good to have you back on
the show. How you doing, my buddy man.

Speaker 11 (02:07:08):
I am good and I'm just happy to be.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
Here with you.

Speaker 5 (02:07:11):
Bud.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Oh that is so kind, so so kind.

Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
You know, there's a couple of things we want to
go over here, And normally I keep the business side
off of the radio show, but I need to talk
about this, especially with our social media audience. For some reason,
I was looking at the statistics on our YouTube channel. Yeah,

(02:07:37):
and we are what you call on YouTube shadow band. Yes,
I've been looking at the statistics and our numbers over
the last six months in viewership and everything has declined really,
really poorly. Yeah, and I don't think it's for the

(02:07:59):
quality of shows or the guests that we have. And
so we are now in a major investigation as to
why our YouTube channel is being hit. And thanks to AI,
we're able to actually go in and take a serious
look at this of what is actually causing this. And

(02:08:21):
there's a couple of things that we need to do
differently and we need to do better. We need to
make shorter videos out of our interviews in order to
in order to do that, And I know I've been
saying that for a long time, but that takes time.
It takes a lot of time to do, especially when
you're a skeleton crew like we are.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
But it also.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Is the we need the help of the audience. So
if you're listening in on terrestrial radio and you haven't
subscribed to our channel, hit subscribe, ring that bell. And
this is why we also ask everybody you know, do
us a favor. If you're listening in on social media,
especially YouTube, do us a favorite, give us that thumbs up,

(02:09:09):
give us a comment after the show. Make it a
lot more interactive because audience participation within the channel is
one of the big things that actually helps get you
out of that shadow banning. Now, we haven't hit any
controversial subjects. We don't have any copyright strikes against us.

(02:09:31):
We haven't had anything that would actually damage our channel
because we do the same thing each and every night.
What you hear on terrestrial radio is what you're hearing
on our YouTube channel. But for some reason, YouTube is
nailing us right now on the channel, like give you

(02:09:53):
an example. We usually average Okay, if we went back
six months, six months, eight months ago, we were averaging
close to forty thousand hours of watch time by our listeners.
I checked the stats yesterday and we were below eighteen thousand.

(02:10:20):
That is a huge decrease. Twenty two thousand watch hours
that are not being completed by our listenership. Yet our
membership keeps growing, not as much as it was because
we are shadow band. We were averaging two to three

(02:10:42):
hundred new subscribers a month. That may not sound like
a lot to when you look at YouTube and you
see all these massive channels, but to us that was
a steady growth. Last month we had ninety seven. So
I don't think it's the programming. Maybe that's ego talking,

(02:11:03):
but I know our radio stations are absolutely loving our programming,
but for some reason, social media, especially YouTube is not.
So we need the help of the audience Radio land,
social media land to absolutely you know, go out there

(02:11:24):
and give us an opportunity to hit subscribe, ring that bell.
If you're a fan of this show, you know it's
something that we need. You know, like when we say
or you see somebody like our mods and our YouTube channel,
they're always very much you know, hey, make sure you
give a thumbs up. We average about one hundred and

(02:11:45):
thirty thumbs up per night on average. That's now we're
struggling to get a hundred. So we're consistent. The one
thing that I will defend this show and our programming
is we're consistent. We always have programming. You know, we

(02:12:07):
just don't let anybody on the air to go haywire.
We don't bring in a lot of deep, dark conspiracy
theorists that want to talk a Drina Chrome, the Reptilian
royal family and garbage like that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:22):
We don't talk about that. We don't talk.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
About a lot of the deep conspiracy theories that are
out there that you know, could get you in trouble
because there isn't a lot of proof, and if somebody
says they have proof, it's usually a friend of a
friend of a friend of a friend of an uncle
who works at an agency who has a friend in
another agency. So I don't know what's going on with

(02:12:45):
our YouTube channel right now. We're trying to figure it out.
But as an audience, you can help us out by
doing a few things. Promoting the channel on your own
social media. Okay, I know a bunch of you out
there listen to a bunch of different channels. Bring the
audience over, let's show them what we got. If they've

(02:13:06):
never been here before, give a thumbs up or down
whatever you feel we deserve. Comment after the show, and
ring the bell when you hit subscribe, Ring the bell
so you get the notifications, and for those who are loyalists,

(02:13:26):
make sure you go into your YouTube or into our
YouTube channel and make sure that YouTube hasn't turned off
your notifications, because YouTube does have a habit of doing
things like that. Let's say you go on a vacation
or your work shift changes and you're now not at

(02:13:47):
the show live anymore, they will turn off your bell.
And sometimes when they do a b a big retrofit
of what they're doing behind the scenes, like recently the
YouTube is changed everybody's names and put all these numbers
and codes on the back of them. When they do that,
you have to go back and check it and make sure.

(02:14:09):
So we're asking for the audience's help here a little
bit because I think our channel realistically, and there will
be people who who gripe about what I'm about to say. Frankly,
everybody's got their critics, so I'm not too worried about it.
But I'm really surprised our YouTube channel with the excellent
programming that we do, the knowledge that we have, and

(02:14:31):
it's not just my show, it's Lee's show Element one
point fifteen, it's Rob's show on the weekend and after hours,
it's Lee Your show with Grant Ufo Max. I think
we got excellent programming that a little bit for everybody,
And I'm really surprised that we aren't at one hundred

(02:14:52):
thousand plus on our YouTube channel for the amount of
hard work that we do for the people each and
every night.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:15:01):
Maybe it's ego talking, could be, you know, but we're
looking into trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 5 (02:15:09):
Dave.

Speaker 11 (02:15:10):
You started this channel many years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
Eight years ago today.

Speaker 9 (02:15:17):
Yeah, so back then with YouTube, the uthology, whole UFO
alien thing was kind of cut down a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
Than it is today.

Speaker 9 (02:15:32):
I believe that you were probably shadow band way back then.
And as the time has gone on, there's become a
lot more channels that talk about similar things. So whatever
happened way back then kind of compounded now and you

(02:15:54):
see a lot of these channels now that are getting
so much attention, a lot of attention. But you were
kind of like one of the originators.

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
You have a voice for radio, you know how to.

Speaker 11 (02:16:12):
Talk to people, You're very engaged.

Speaker 9 (02:16:16):
I've listened to you way before I even started coming
on here, you know, on space outradios years before, so
I know and I think what has happened over time
is you've got this flood of new people. Well they
weren't Shadow Band and they're not now. But because we

(02:16:37):
were early on, or because you were early on, that's
kind of compounded. And the fact that you've got so
many more channels opening up these days, that's where the
attention lies.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Could be, could very well be. I'm actually going to
going to take an opportunity, Hope Flea in this coming
week to try and get a hold of somebody at
YouTube to say, hey, can you tell us what's going
on here?

Speaker 11 (02:17:08):
You know, we've got all kinds of listeners.

Speaker 9 (02:17:13):
I'm sure somebody has said somewhere we can get some information.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
Yeah, that's all. That's all. You know, it works, it
works in the algorithm.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
I want to show you something now, our radio audience
won't be able to see it. We had this conversation
right off the top of the show with our guest
Chris Lee, and I'll reiterate the story here.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
So we've got about six minutes to go.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
Friend of mine, Jim, saw him today and he's like, Hey,
did you ever get the pictures that I sent you?

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
And I'm like, no, what pictures? So he re sent
him to me on text message. Today. Jim's a logger.
He drives a.

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
Logging truck, gets off work at three o'clock in the afternoon,
works or gets to work at about three o'clock in
the morning. So the first thing I mean, you work
in construction, you know, the first thing that you do
is you check your gear to make sure everything is
safe and sound for the day ahead. It's not just

(02:18:21):
about making sure you have enough nails in your pouch
and a hammer on your tool belt.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
It's a little bit more than that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:29):
When you're dealing with bigger equipment, you want to make
sure that everything is working properly. So Jim a couple
weeks ago was checking his big rig about to check
the oil to make sure that everything is working aokay.
Now once again in the forest, three o'clock in the morning,

(02:18:51):
and he finds a handprint on his truck. Now, radio audience,
who won't be a to see this. You'll have to
go onto our YouTube channel to see it. But on
this piece of equipment, on his truck, there is a
white sticker on some dirty red metal, and that white

(02:19:13):
sticker is about the size of an iPhone. Now you
see this giant handprint going down like something was like
pushing down on it. You can see the thumb. You
can see that it is opposable to four other fingers. Lee,

(02:19:36):
what's your thoughts?

Speaker 11 (02:19:40):
Well, you see where it plays out at the very end,
where it goes in.

Speaker 9 (02:19:45):
Both different directions there, I'm counting six fingers there, which
doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 2 (02:19:55):
I'm only counting five. Well, you've got.

Speaker 9 (02:19:58):
The two at the very bottom that are going left
and right, and then you've got.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
The four towards the top. That would be a palm
print that would be covering up the edge of the palm,
and then the palm would still be dirty.

Speaker 11 (02:20:16):
But I'm still seeing.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
How do you see six fingers on that?

Speaker 9 (02:20:22):
Well, if you look towards the part that goes back,
you see two what looks like fingers. Now that could
be a very loose.

Speaker 11 (02:20:34):
Jacket at the cuff.

Speaker 9 (02:20:38):
Possibly you know that's making those prints right there.

Speaker 2 (02:20:43):
The problem is those fingers are about four or five
inches long. Okay, if you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:52):
If you use the sticker, the white sticker on on it, okay,
as say the size of an iPhone.

Speaker 6 (02:21:00):
HM.

Speaker 2 (02:21:00):
The truck is in the middle of the park in
the middle of the forest. Yeah, you have the pinky
finger that overlaps onto the sticker. You have the ring
finger and the middle finger that are kind of together
sliding down. You have the pointer finger yep. And then

(02:21:23):
it goes into the into the crescent circle there where
the thumb would be. And that's the handprint kind of
leaning down on it.

Speaker 9 (02:21:33):
Yes, but I've seen that other mark as well up above.

Speaker 11 (02:21:39):
Yes, that also kind.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
Of that would be the outside of the hand. Like
the edge of the hand.

Speaker 11 (02:21:47):
Is almost as if it's, well, what hand is that.

Speaker 2 (02:21:54):
The right hand doesn't make sense? The right hand?

Speaker 11 (02:21:59):
Okay, So if I'm doing it like you're doing.

Speaker 9 (02:22:04):
It right now, it's almost as if something was above.

Speaker 2 (02:22:08):
And came down and.

Speaker 9 (02:22:11):
There's no way to access this piece of equipment as
far as from what I can tell by looking at the.

Speaker 11 (02:22:18):
Picture, like something came to the left side of it.

Speaker 9 (02:22:25):
They had to come down off the right side and
push down on that location.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
Well, knowing nothing, knowing Jim, he would know. I mean,
truckers know their trucks better than anybody, especially you know,
ones who are in the logging operation. Actually, I think
any trucker knows their truck better than anybody. Yeah, he said.

Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
When he left work there was nothing on the truck,
and when he got back at three o'clock in the
in the morning at the job site in the forest,
that handprint was now there.

Speaker 9 (02:23:15):
Yeah, something climbed on that truck. Something was up on
top of it, on the back side of the truck.
Now it almost looks like that might be a side
dump dump truck instead of a truck and trailer just
by the configuration that I'm looking at right now.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
I'll have to get him to send some more photos.
I'd like to see some wider range external photos.

Speaker 8 (02:23:42):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (02:23:44):
So we're gonna we're gonna see how that how that
works out.

Speaker 11 (02:23:50):
Something was definitely on his truck climbing.

Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
Around Oh yeah, absolutely. And and you've been out here, Lee,
you know how big things are around here, Yes, sir,
I do.

Speaker 9 (02:24:06):
Yeah, there's some big stuff out there, some old growth
and just you know the pictures that you shared with
me at that big cougar, I mean, holy cow.

Speaker 2 (02:24:17):
Yeah, I agree with that one. That one that was
kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (02:24:21):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
Hold on, we're halfway through the Q and A with
Lee Strauss here on spaced out radio. When we return,
we'll take some audience questions. I'll get into some stories
of the week.

Speaker 2 (02:24:34):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (02:24:38):
This is spaced out radio, and your hosts may stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:25:02):
So what's your plans for this weekend? Brother?

Speaker 9 (02:25:05):
Well, my friend, I'm probably going to be cleaning up
around here a little bit.

Speaker 11 (02:25:09):
I guess I'm straightening.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Up to do as Are you on your proper microphone
or are you on your camera phone or camera microphone?

Speaker 2 (02:25:17):
Let me check? Right?

Speaker 9 (02:25:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
Does this sound better? Sounds the same? How does that
sound dab? Still sounds the same? Can you hear me? Yeah? Hello? Hello?
You cannot hear me? Now, look how serious Lee Strauss is.

(02:25:59):
See if we get him to see if we can
get him to stroke his beard while he's in deep thought? Oh,
look at that? Look at that? You got four minutes

(02:26:26):
to figure it out. Man, can't hear you?

Speaker 1 (02:26:42):
Oka, He's positioned himself just like that so he can
flex his arms so everybody can see how good to
shape his arms are in you dirty bastard?

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
Can't hear you? Is your microphone on? How about now? Yeah?
Now you're better talk one?

Speaker 9 (02:27:01):
Two, three?

Speaker 2 (02:27:01):
Four? Uh more? Way more beautiful? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (02:27:05):
I don't know what goes on with this thing. If
I let it sit inactive for a while, it kind
of gets funny.

Speaker 1 (02:27:12):
I'd like to actually see your system one day. We'll
do that off the air.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
I'd like to see you wait a minute now, no,
but I oh, I guess I walked into that one.
But uh, that's one of those yetti mics, right.

Speaker 9 (02:27:34):
Yeah, yeah, you know, ever since I changed things around
a little bit and here, it's been kind of thinnyky.
It goes off and on and disconnects and weird stuff
like that. I don't get it. But whatever, And it's
odd because it doesn't have it. It's like every hour

(02:27:56):
or something like that. If I just leave things running,
it'll disconnect.

Speaker 2 (02:28:01):
Right, I don't get it. I don't get it either.
Now you won't sound like you're the bathroom.

Speaker 9 (02:28:09):
By the way, I'm not going to be around next weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:28:12):
Okay, where are you going? You're going to Cali?

Speaker 9 (02:28:15):
Oh no, no, Cali's coming up here. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28:22):
Oh so you're so basically you're you're you're spending all
week making sure your play selection on your phone is
Berry White.

Speaker 9 (02:28:32):
Well that I didn't think about that, but now since
you've mentioned it, yes, maybe no, we're having an early
Thanksgiving and I'm taking we're taking my mother out for
dinner next Fridays.

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
Oh nice, that sounds like a wonderful night. Yeah. Yeah,
we'll say hi to Tammy for it, says Tammy listening
right now.

Speaker 9 (02:28:58):
Uh she Well, she might be asleep, but she.

Speaker 2 (02:29:01):
Was at one point.

Speaker 1 (02:29:04):
The unknown. There's nothing wrong with Barry White. Very White.
Is the music of love making sweet love?

Speaker 9 (02:29:13):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (02:29:16):
M.

Speaker 1 (02:29:19):
Just ask Debor Rooney, she'll know all about it. Break
it down in the chat room for us, deb.

Speaker 2 (02:29:29):
H, God, we have fun.

Speaker 9 (02:29:35):
Even you guys have no idea, you know, you everybody
in chat and listening right now. You don't know what
kind of fun we have when we're not on the radio.

Speaker 2 (02:29:45):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (02:29:51):
The only time we're not having fun is when we
actually investigate. Then it's like game on, and then we
take a break and then it's fun, and then we
get back at it like half an hour later, and
it's game on.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
It's all fun, all right.

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(02:31:45):
and shares the stories around with us.

Speaker 2 (02:31:48):
How you doing, Bud Man, It's awesome.

Speaker 9 (02:31:53):
You know what's been going on lately out there with
the It doesn't matter if it's the three I at
lis or what's going on no in Congress. It's just
there's a lot happening. It seems like we're getting to
a fever pitch, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
I'm gonna let you pick the topic. It's always me.
I will let you pick the topic.

Speaker 9 (02:32:16):
Well, we should probably talk about the three I at
lists a little bit, because you know I know more
about that than anything else.

Speaker 2 (02:32:27):
Let's go for it. Is it an alien craft?

Speaker 9 (02:32:32):
Well, sir, I don't think so, not anymore. There are
a lot of people that say that it's break that
it's actually breaking apart, and that's why you see the
different jets that are coming off of this object. If
you think about a space faring rock, I don't know

(02:32:54):
what you want to call it. It's an asteroid, it's
a comet, it's all of the above, but it's not
just one thing. It's kind of a conglomerate. If you
were to take a snowball and out in your yard
and you were making it, and you've got leaves and
gravel and grass and all of that stuff mashed up

(02:33:15):
into a snowball. It's going to become a conglomerate of things, right.
So that's basically what I believe we have out there
going on. And you've got these gases jets coming off
of that ice that's around that thing, and of course
you've got things like nickel and this and bat and

(02:33:37):
other chemicals and isotopes and god knows what else, you know,
all stuck together. And so when it rotates in the sun,
you know, shines on those parts of the object that
are ice, it's going to start to off gas and
that's why you get that, you know, the heating and

(02:33:57):
the cooling as it's rotating through space and that sort
of thing. I do believe, however, that that object within
the ice itself could harbor dormant life. And when you
think of pam spermia and the possibility that it's off
gasing in our universe and we could get some serious

(02:34:20):
types of microbes that come towards our planet and possibly
enter our atmosphere in land on the planet. I think
that's possible. So if you say that it's not alien
life or it is, I mean all of those possibilities
are there, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (02:34:40):
You've got to admit, though, there is a little bit
of hope in each and every one of us that
it is some sort of UFO craft.

Speaker 9 (02:34:50):
Of course, of course, I'm never going to deny that.
I really want it to be. I wanted to change course,
and I want it to orbit orbit Earth or another
planet or something like that and and be what we
all hope it is.

Speaker 12 (02:35:07):
Because NASA has not released the photos and the footage
that they have, and you've got to ask yourself why.

Speaker 9 (02:35:19):
And a Pallunalina has asked them to release the footage
and they still have not, and they're saying that they're waiting. Well,
you know, the government shut down is over, so where
is that data?

Speaker 2 (02:35:40):
Well, I mean here's the thing though, I mean we
talked about it a little bit earlier this week. Where
where NASA always seems to shoot themselves in the foot.
They are their own worst enemy when it comes to
any subject. Okay. Their heyday was in the eighties and.

Speaker 1 (02:36:05):
Nineties with the Shuttle program, Okay, or I should say,
you know, leading up from Apollo on up to the
end of the Shuttle program, and since then they have
just run amock publicly. You know, like a chicken with
their head cut off, trying to find a new head
on the ground to put on there the body so

(02:36:28):
that way it looks normal again and they can't find
their head. Gross example, I know, but I'm going to
use that example. I mean, you look at the denial
of the UFOs, and yet NASA had already released so
much information regarding astronauts talking about seeing lights in space

(02:36:53):
being followed, their rockets being followed. There's the famous X
fifteen expedition, the test jet, this hypersonic test jet, the
X fifteen that had to be launched from a B
fifty two bomber Okay, that reached up to mocks seven
I believe, Okay, where it was at three hundred and

(02:37:13):
fifteen thousand feet and the pilot is watching a UFO
out his window following his craft like it was nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:37:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:37:27):
All of that is released. Audio has been released, Transcripts
of conversations have been released, and NASA continues to deny it. Okay,
they've never talked about the WOW signal for years publicly.

(02:37:47):
And now you they do that study, that one hundred
thousand dollars study where you had a bunch of scientists
just make fun of the UFO subject. You're supposed to
be a leader. NASA is supposed to be a leader,
and they're not, at least publicly they're not. They can't

(02:38:12):
seem to get their crap together, so why they have
to rely on Elon Musk. And then on top of it,
like you said, right during the government shutdown, when three
I at lists was at its best chance for us
to see it, they're like, oh, well, we don't have
any pictures because the government's shut down. You're telling me

(02:38:34):
that you, as scientists, where your job is to find
things in space, that you're going to miss a moment
like that because the government is on shutdown. The majority
of people out there, I'm gonna rant here for a second,
The majority of people out there work hours upon hours

(02:38:57):
a week of free over time, or volunteer to help out,
or some people work two jobs, maybe three. And you're
telling me that all of these science geeks who and
I mean that with all respect, Okay, because I'm a

(02:39:20):
paranormal geek, I'm a cryptid geek, I'm a UFO geek.
But all of these science geeks whose job and dream
is to find things in space that they're gonna take
the day off because the government is off the one
of the biggest recent happenings in space history, an interstellar object.

(02:39:45):
We have a chance to look at it, but I'm
gonna choose sweatpants and My Lazy Boy and reruns of
How I Met Your Mother instead of being at work
looking at this project.

Speaker 9 (02:40:02):
Come on, yeah, it's unrealistic. Of course they're there, they're
watching it live. They probably have it streamed across you know,
fifteen big monitors on the wall, just like you would
see in wargames, right, I mean, come on, we know
that they have whatever it is, but they don't want
to release it. And what we'll probably see eventually when

(02:40:24):
it does get released is a bunch of doctored stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:40:28):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:40:28):
But here's the thing, and they know it, and maybe
that's why there's some rumors going around right now, Dave,
we're going to be able to see it in December
with our naked eye.

Speaker 2 (02:40:45):
If we got a clear sky, we're going to be
able to see it.

Speaker 9 (02:40:47):
I think it's like December twenty first.

Speaker 2 (02:40:49):
Somebody can check.

Speaker 9 (02:40:51):
On that for me. But it's going to be at
its closest point to Earth and we've been told that
we can see it with our naked eye. Now there's
a lot of people out there who've got decent telescopes
are really going to be able to look at this
thing and get really clear shots of it. And that's

(02:41:11):
when things can kind of go sideways for them, right
because the public's going to be involved. So we may
be looking at something major coming down the pike here
in December. And if that's the case, then all bets
are off.

Speaker 5 (02:41:32):
I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (02:41:32):
Rumors that I have heard is that.

Speaker 9 (02:41:35):
Mister Trump could be coming out with some information about
the validity of UFOs in aliens, But that's just a rumor.

Speaker 1 (02:41:50):
Who knows, Who knows if that's going to happen. I
just know this, We're either on a very good trajectory,
and I think it's good for the scientists to see
how this anomalous action has been taking place, how much
anomalist action has been taking place, because three I Atlas

(02:42:10):
has really really changed the way physics is supposed to
work mm HM, which is why Auvi Lobe from Harvard stated,
the way it's moving, it may not be a comet.
Even though he believes it's a comet. He was open

(02:42:31):
minded enough, and got laughed at by his fellow astrophysicists,
including publicly by Neil deGrasse Tyson. And yet here he
is saying that why.

Speaker 2 (02:42:46):
Rule it out? Why do we have to rule it out?

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
And then NASA goes well, first off, let's remember before
NASA went dark on it, they also put up that
stupid pixelation that looked like an Atari twenty six hundred
video game, saying, oh, look, this is a close up
of three i atls in digital form.

Speaker 2 (02:43:08):
Yeah, a three year old could have done better. Yeah.
So the question is, if it's not a UFO, was
there something tailing it?

Speaker 9 (02:43:24):
It's just there's there's too many anomalies. There's just too
many that we don't understand. We haven't seen very many
interstellar objects, and this one is just way out of
the norm for any comment that we have in our
solar system, and right now it seems like we're grasping

(02:43:48):
at straws to understand what we're looking at.

Speaker 2 (02:43:51):
You know, you think about.

Speaker 9 (02:43:55):
How advanced we are right now with the technology we
have and everything else, and we're still infants. Even though
we think that we got things figured out, we don't.

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
We don't.

Speaker 9 (02:44:08):
There's so much that is just beyond our understanding.

Speaker 2 (02:44:13):
That's why we are here, That's why Dave does.

Speaker 9 (02:44:16):
The show, is because we're trying to understand the unknown,
and it's so bricking interesting to so many of us,
you know what I mean, It just is. And so
it's the fight to understand what we don't know, and
we want to comprehend and we want to find the

(02:44:37):
secrets to just about anything everything that we can. But
that's what we're doing here with three eight Atlas, right
is trying to understand what we don't know. And it's exciting.
It's an exciting time and I'm just glad to be
alive and glad to be here talking about it right now.

Speaker 2 (02:44:57):
Yeah, I love this subject, I do. You know, I'm
and I'm the kind of guy, dude where I am
the furthest guy from from understanding science. As a journalist,
I got to rely on everybody else, Okay, I do.
But I can say this three eye Atlases acted very strange.

(02:45:20):
It's defied the laws of physics. It seemed to defy
the laws of gravity. Yeah, it's made hairpin turns, you know,
like when it was heading for Earth and all of
a sudden decided to hang a left at Albuquerque and
head towards Mars. You know, it's done things that we're

(02:45:46):
not used to. Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 9 (02:45:49):
We don't understand it, and it's it's an enigma, right,
And maybe that'll help us in the future when something
else comes into our solar system that we don't quite understand,
maybe that gives us some data or you know, maybe,
like I was saying earlier, the fact that maybe this

(02:46:09):
object is in the Solar system because it was directed
here and it's possible it could be dropping microbes all
over the place as it goes through interstellar space, seating everything.

Speaker 1 (02:46:27):
We have five minutes to go. Steve Bassett from the
Paradigm Research Group was on recently where he was all,
you know, in typical Steve Bassett mode. He was all
proponent that disclosure's coming, It's right around the corner. We

(02:46:48):
got big things happening within the next couple of months. Now,
maybe I'm a little salty on the topic. I didn't
believe him, But the one thing that I can say
about Steve is his passion and his desire to have
disclosure happen. There is nobody in this field who wants
it more than him. He's dedicated thirty five years of

(02:47:12):
being an activist in Washington, d C. About this subject,
the only guy to take it on full time. And
I'm still not believing that disclosures around the corner, especially
after you know, hearing the words of Carl Nell and
many others who said, you know, disclosures dead, Like, we

(02:47:35):
need to put this back under the rug. Let's get
it back in the closet.

Speaker 2 (02:47:39):
Let's put it up in the garage on the top
shelf where nobody will see it for another twenty years.

Speaker 9 (02:47:46):
Your thoughts, Well, there's a lot of news out there
right now that's trying to distract from one story or
another story. But I still think the biggest story out
there is we're not alone.

Speaker 2 (02:48:02):
I'm sorry, that's just the biggest story.

Speaker 9 (02:48:05):
They've kept it secret for so frickin' long, and it's
known by so many of us. We know the truth
that we're not alone. What the heck? How insane it
is to me to keep it quiet. It doesn't make

(02:48:28):
when you get right down to it, David, it doesn't
make sense to keep it quiet. The only reason that
I can think, possibly is that they want total control
over the narrative, right they want control over all of
that so they can control us. But at the end

(02:48:54):
of the day, we're going to know, and everybody's going
to know. And I don't think we're long off from that.
From that knowledge, I think we're getting closer. The cracks
are getting bigger. There just are. You can see it.
And how often, how many channels on YouTube are talking

(02:49:15):
about the subject right now, even news channels that would
never talk about this subject are talking about it. I
see it day after day on YouTube. You know, it's
out there and it's becoming more relevant and more and
more relevant.

Speaker 1 (02:49:40):
I think the publicity aspect is great, and the fact
that there are people within news media organizations that are
forcing this topic on the public. And when I mean
when I you know, we don't like anything to be forced,
but there's good forcing and there's bad force. This topic

(02:50:01):
needed to be forced on the public that it is
a real deal. It's not a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 (02:50:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:50:08):
It's not just a bunch of weird stories from people
with bad dental plans wearing tinfoil hats saying the aliens
came and got me. It's not like that anymore. We've
opened the eyes to a lot of people in the
public and the news media, and the good news for
the news media. You know, even Tucker Carlson said it

(02:50:29):
publicly a couple of years ago. His ratings spike huge
when he does a UFO show, they spike massively because
people love this subject. They love talking about it, They
love talking about their experiences, they love talking about the
what if category. They love the fact that they get

(02:50:53):
to talk about how they feel their government, whether it's
the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, whoever is hiding these
secrets from them.

Speaker 2 (02:51:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:51:05):
Area fifty one has multimillions of dollars worth of tourism
to communities around because of this subject. It is an
economically impactful subject unless you're on the radio.

Speaker 9 (02:51:22):
It seems like the case, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:51:26):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:51:27):
I feel that some of some of the channels are
definitely knocked down, but especially the ones have been on longer,
you know, over time, and then some of the new stuff,
of course, is just going gangbusters. But I don't really
have an answer other than I think that it's possible,

(02:51:49):
like I said before, that if you were bought into
the subject, they kind of just put you down underneath
everybody else. And that's part of the algorithm that's been
there the whole time.

Speaker 1 (02:52:04):
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