Nov. 3/25 - Is UFO Disclosure Dead? with Courtney Marchesani - Spaced Out Radio

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like that tonight, All right, let's get into this show
tonight because Courtney Marcusani is a person who dives deep
into the UFO phenomena, uncovering the truth behind decades of

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governmental cover ups, hidden files, and global secrecy. An author
intuitive Experienceers, she explores the powerful connection between consciousness, contact
and disclosure, revealing how official denials of extraterrestrial reality. Her
investigations bring clarity to UFO mysteries behind, blending science and

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the human experience to expose what's truly going on, and
sometimes it's not very pretty. We're going to bring her
on in. Courtney Marcussani, thank you for coming back on
spaced Out Radio.

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Speaker 1 (04:09):
Lots going on in the UFO world, yet it's the
calm before the storm, you know, as many say, you
know there's a lot of things going on, and you
have delved really deep into it on a different bunch
of different sides of the ledger. Here, before we get
deep into it, you know, there's always new audience members
listening in wondering who Courtney is. Why did you become

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so passionate about this subject.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
It was an encounter that my daughter and I had
outside of a town called Lakeview.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Oregon, and it was in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I had had other experiences non UFO related, mostly anomalous
experiences also called exceptional experiences that were really like undefined
and totally fringe outside of regular science, and psychology is
the way I come to all the because I'm a
psych major. I have my master's in my mindy medicine,

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so I explore really the humanistic side of all this,
the lived experiences and what humans go through, and sometimes
that covers unconventional or anomalous experiences. So when we had
our own encounter in twenty fifteen, it was very transformative
for me anyway.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
It was life changing, and it made me kind of go.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Back and recast a lot of those early experiences and
trying to understand if they were connected or not to
what we experienced in Oregon that night.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
You delved right in deep into this subject, and you
have become a focus of a lot of people as
someone who can gather information, build contacts and try and
find out the story behind the story. How is How
did you get started on that venture?

Speaker 5 (05:54):
I started to just watch influencers like Grant and you
and Sore and to see the different panels that were public.
There were only a very few influencers back then. This
was before the big New York Times you know Pentagon

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Black Money, you know by Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal
and Helena Cooper. So I was, you know, two years
before that, trying to trying to understand this whole landscape
and this field and to see who the authorities were,
see who the scientists were. So I just waded into

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the field that way. And then I started to go
into conferences. This was after the New York Times article.
There started to be more conferences in things that were
professional or academic where people could go and listen.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
To experts talk.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
So I first went to the archives of them possible.
In twenty twenty two, I went to inquire anonymalous in
New York. A couple times. I went to the Soul Conference,
a few times, so I started to meet people that way.
And then as you meet people in the field who
you're either drawn to because they have similar work or
you're inspired by their work, you develop your network that way.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You've become a trusted voice. You become a very focal
voice for many people within this community on both sides
the ledger, the pros, the cons, and and everything that
kind of goes with that. Do you feel at times
that you're in a UFO tug of war?

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Oh, definitely.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
I You know, I'm not one of the people that
doesn't entertain the skeptics, because I think the skeptics have
great arguments that they're making. But I think because things
have become so divisive between both communities, it becomes very
difficult to bridge that divide. But I do try to
bridge it as much as I can, because I think

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the skeptics community makes They make a lot of great
general arguments for why things don't stack up, and I
think it's important to listen to them. I think that
there is a difference between skeptics and debunkers, and debunkers
are those that I really don't you know, I don't
stay in.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Touch with that much, but skeptics I do.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
They basically say, you know, how can you how can
you substantiate this, or how can you argue for this?
And so there's a lot of healthy debates that go
on that I think are very good that can help
bridge that divide between those two communities.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
But I think it's just like politics.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
You have far right, far left, you have far debunkers,
and then you have people that are you know, the
true believers on the UFO side, and so that can
be a difficult divide to bridge.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, it really is a community that is divided
right now for people who are you know, very much
involved in it, and a lot of people have started
walking away because of the politics and everything that kind
of goes along with it. Why do you keep trudging
through when it just seems like a dead end after

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dead end? On stories?

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Oh, I think that what's happening in the landscape is
fascinating from cultural aspects, sociological aspects, psychological aspects. I think
it's just this lattice of inner dimensionality that is so
fascinating to watch.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
And not only that.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
The relational aspects between the experiencers is very rewarding. You
meet incredible people in this field. It's life changing on
a number of levels. But that's why I stick with it,
because it's just always complex, it's unfolding.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
You can pick the part of it that you're most
interested in.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
You do have to deal with a lot of bs,
but you just learn how to tease that out from
the stuff that you're really interested in and go towards that.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Don't let the dark stuff get you down.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, I would totally agree with you as I throw
my cat down. But you know what, you have been
dragged into a number of different topics because the one
thing this topic in UFOs really does is it's spiderwebs
very easily into different directions, and a lot of times

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people get caught up in certain parts of the web.
You have been able to kind of try and balance
it all for yourself, I mean, sanity wise. How have
you been able to keep control of it all? Knowing
that there's so many different narratives and directions to go in.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
You learn who to trust.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
That's one of the most important things. You learn who
to trust in the field of research. And there are
so many people that are willing to help you out
along the way. I've had so much help from experts
who are always willing to give their time and their
attention and to share. If I don't know something and
I'm asking for help, they're always willing to help. So

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that's the one thing is learning who to trust is essential.
You know, that keeps you balanced and on track with
your own research. So with the networking thing, that can
be a pitfall for a lot of people as they're
coming into the field because some people and I hate
to use the word I'm not going to use these
words because they're just they're very cliche, but there are

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some people that they'll just take you down a rabbit
hole and waste your time. So that's half of the
battle is learning really who the great researchers are, who
the ones are willing to help you out, connect with you,
share their time with you. So that's one of the
main cautionary things is find the good people. Don't waste

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your time on things that waste your time.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm going to put you on the spot here for
a little bit. You know, have some fun. Take it
for what it will, but you will, Okay. When we
got into ufology, the researchers that we followed were the
Richard Dolans, the Grant Camerons, the Stanton Friedman's, Linda Moulton Howe,
Melinda Leslie type people, you know, the legends of the

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field in my opinion, And nowadays, because the topic has
expanded so much, who are the researchers today that are
really catching your attention and doing yeoman's work on this subject.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
I think some of the ones that were in Fight
Club with us are the best. Honestly, the ones that
we were in that group with that we're doing work
quietly behind the scenes. They didn't have a really big name,
you know. I've just noticed that Carl who the physicists
from Austria, just did a talk on the panel at Seoul.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
He's an incredible researcher.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
He's one of the people that were like up and
coming kind of learning about everything, and now he's at Seoul.
So he's somebody that I really highly regard. He does
incredible work. He's able to separate the wheat from the chaff,
and he has just a remarkable mind for the physics
and UAP science and technology. So he's one of the
people that I've always listened to and talked to. Now

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I'm not in Fight Club anymore, but I was really
happy to see that he was on the panel. The
other guy that I really like is one of Grant's connections,
and he was also in Fight Club. It's Juliano Markovic.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
You remember him. Yes, yeah, he does great work.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Totally quiet behind the scenes, but when he puts stuff
out I pay attention to it. But like you know,
he's not like a Jesse Michaels or you know what
I mean, like a Chris Ramsey. These guys aren't out
on like the leaderboard of the YouTube channels. They're doing
the work mostly behind the scenes. But it's impeccable work.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I love it. I think that's a really, really good
point that you made there. Speaking of UAP, we just
recently passed the seventh eighth anniversary of the creational announcement
of the To the Stars Academy in the Presless press
conference in Seattle. Wow. Hard to believe it's been eight

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years since Tom DeLong stood on the podium introduced Louelizondo
to the world, Chris Mellen, Steve Justice, you know, for
people who didn't know the names, you know, how put
Off and Jim semi Van And that was a table
turner for this field, was that preceless press conference. And

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why I call it a presless press conference is they
were very proud to have this public press conference. The
problem is they didn't invite any press, so that's why
we called it the presless press conference and I am.
It happened in Seattle, and this is where we really
started to see the term UFO go away and we

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started hearing this UAP jargon coming into play. In your opinion,
how did the Tow the Stars Academy change the landscape
of ufology?

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I think it was a total upending of what was before,
and it coincided with a lot of what Tom DeLong
was talking about with his you know, secret group with
his generals, and then the Wiki Leaks came out with
the Podesta email part of it, So it wasn't just

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the establishment of TTSA. It was this parallel process that
was happening where he was actually kind of outed through
the Wiki leaks thing because he was talking to Podesta.
But it was the plan. It was like the general's
plan coming out live, and so everybody got to see

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that he was one hundred percent legit with what he
was talking about. There was a political landscape unfolding at
the same time, and so it was TTSA bringing about
a radical change in ufology and UFO, but it was
all like science and tech. I would put that kind
of in the nuts and bolts crowd. Because they announced

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their organization of their company and what they planned to do.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
And then we saw the History.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Channel shows that were introduced along that time, and then
the spinoffs, you know, like skin Walker and all of that,
which have become famous, you know, and so I think
it's had.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
You know, it's like an octopus, you know.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
TTSA has so many legs and tentacles into the field.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
They came out in a number of ways.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
They really opened up the envelope and look, I was,
I'm on record, I was not a fan of the
Two of the Stars Academy. I saw as a journalist
too many red flags right off the bat. That just
really set me back, starting with the presless pres con. Now,
a lot of people have said, well, what difference does
it make, Well, you don't hold a press conference for

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the press if you don't have press there who can
ask questions about why you're doing it. And the other
thing I remember noticing right off the bat was that
during their speeches they kept talking about UAP and UFOs,
and yet when they pushed everybody towards their website, there

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was not a single mention on the entire website. And
I looked, and I know others looked too. There was
not a single UFO or UAP segment on their website.
It was unbelievable, like, what are you trying to do here?
Like it didn't make sense to me. And I know

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a lot of people lost money on them. A lot
of some people lost tens of thousands of dollars on
the adventure, and I was just like wow, like what
do you people doing?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Everybody was tracking that, and then there was a public
statement made about the money that was invested in it
and everyone's contributions, and that there you know, there was
a filing that went in on their corporation that showed
that they were I think they were losing money at
the time. So a lot of people were really upset
about that, raising the alarms about it. But ttsa one

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part of it. You know, it still exists, yes, you know,
and Jim Simmivan does come out and he does interviews,
and I saw that Tom DeLong has a new book
now about the time writers I haven't read it yet,
but it was highly recommended to me because his focus
has changed and shifted and he's reflected that and all

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of his entertainment projects that he's done. But I do
think the entertainment part of that. They changed the field
on that as well, because they said that they wanted
to do tech, but they also wanted to do tech
and science, but they also want to do entertainment projects, so.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
They broke through that barrier barrier as well.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
I mean, we know very famous filmmakers like James Fox
has been doing this for a long time. He's highly regarded,
and you know, he's put out some new new films
just in the last year, and now he's got the
new one coming, the follow up to Moment of Contact,
which I heard is really exciting, and there's some compelling

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new stuff in the new film. I think he tracked
down a doctor who was down in Virginia and he's
got him on the record, and so I.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Do think that T. T.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
TSA broke through a lot of those barriers in the
UFO game. And they you know, they fashioned themselves the
people that coined UAP. But we know that goes back
a lot farther I think it was Dick Haynes, wasn't it.
It was Dick Haynes that.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
On one of the Late Night talks right while she
was running for president.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Oh yeah, and then so did Obama too. He said
they're UAPs now, and the word UAP changed. There were
different forms. At first it was unidentified the aerial phenomenon.
Now it's unidentified anomalist phenomenon.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
So it's had many iterations.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's easy to pick on to the Stars Academy for
their multiple amount of failures, but I think one of
the good parts that came out of it was the instantaneous.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Press that took over.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
They literally were everywhere on every major news paper, on
every major news channel, interviews all over the place, and
they immediately took this subject from the druthers of conspiracy
and tinfoil hat, you know, jokes, to legitimacy. And I

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do give them credit for that.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
Yeah. I mean, they had Steve Justice on their board.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
They had him on the History Channel shows looking at
these thermal exhausts, whether they had them or not. They
put that into the Entertainment Project to take things and
put it into you know, a real form entertainment form
for people to see the behind the scenes stuff with
the science. So they did break through a lot of barriers,

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and I you know, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
A TTSA hater.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I do think there were things that they broke through
and did really well on. And I think there's things
that you know, obviously failed, and I think that they,
you know, had a big fallout because of that, and
Tom DeLong probably wanted to accomplish things that he couldn't
and I think there was some obvious fallout because the
people who left right away and those that stayed with it.

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So you know, I do think that they did some
good things for the field. And some of those books,
those initial books were incredible God's Man War and you know,
some of Tom Delong's early books where Jacques Vallet was
writing the preface for it, and those were groundbreaking for
people to read and get into the field of research

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of UAP science.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I do believe though, and we only got about ninety second,
so I'll try and make this quick that Tom DeLong
was the rise of it of the TTSA and also
the downfall of the TTSA. His appearance on Joe Rogan
did not do him any favors, and in one of
the articles that I wrote, and I was told through

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Melinda Leslie from Jim semi Van that I put a
section in there that said there's a time to rock
star and time not to rock star, and that Joe
Rogan interview was not a time to rock star, it
was a time.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Well, I think that Joe Rogan show has a tendency
to it can polarize things even more. You know, he
doesn't less let people off the hook necessarily. He'll double
down on things so he can kind of put people
on the spot. I think he softened a little.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think I sorry to cut you off on that point.
I apologize, but I think on that point that I
was trying to get without saying it, but I might
have to, was when Tom DeLong started talking about unzipping
his pants and whipping out his you know that, That's
what I mean by it was a time to rock
star and not a time to rock star. That definitely

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in that subject matter was not time to rock star.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
You know, Enema of the State is one of their albums,
you know, so it's like that is there, that's what
he's known, you know, known for. I do think though,
when you're thinking of the pr and media machine behind
TTSA and his his Starqua. They needed someone like him
to I think that was part of their plan to

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bring out, you know, all these other folks for TTSA,
and he did.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Courtney Marcasani is here tonight on spaced Out Radio. Plenty
of cool things happening in the UFO world. We're going
to get into is Disclosure dying? Is it on life support?
We'll find out from Courtney next on spaced Out Radio.

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All right, we're clear.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Wait till you hear me go in and break down
everything that's going on. It's going to blow your mind.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
It's going to blow your mind.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
PARAMARV caught it that the Caribou Kan website is now
up and running. Okay, I just want to let you
know that it's not officially running until Thursday, but very
soon VIP tickets will be on sale for the September
eighteenth to twentieth event, which reminds me, Courtney, you should

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drive down for that, or if you're in Montana, drive
up for it.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, just drive down through the Yukon and all of
British Columbia.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
It would be much there's a much faster and easier ways.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I'm just saying, I'm on the way. I'm on the way,
bi Alza, Brad, how you doing. Grant Cameron is going
to be the keynote speaker.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Oh cool, I'm glad he's going to be there.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yes, and who else do we have coming on? Merle
is coming? Samantha Mowet is going to be there?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (25:55):
What a lineup?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Actually, you know what, we have a great line up.
Let me let me show you.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Here for a second.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Let me just bring it up here and hold on,
let's share the screen. Let's clear that for a second,
and let's do the old share screen thing. There it is,
so let's just bring it up here for a quick second.

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So there's the event twenty twenty six. Here are our speakers.
Let's click on them right now. Oh there's me. I'm speaking, Uh,
Samantha Moowet, Merle Lee Strauss.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
Lee Strauss is an up and comer.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yes, and uh, Grant Cameron. Look at that.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
As R.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Keith Andrews Brent Thomas. We call him b Arthur around
here from Paranormal Portal.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Okay, I don't know him.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
He's great, absolutely great.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Paisley Town Numerologist and we have just confirmed that the
ladies from the Beyond the Haunting television show are going
to be there along with along with Christian McLeod has
decided that he's going to make the track up from
North Carolina.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
I think I do know him. I think I have
heard of him.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, and so I might need one more Courtney.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Do you want me to be there? I'll come.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, I'll come.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
It's there's time.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, you got it, like eleven months, ten months?

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, I can do that for sure. Yeah, sign me up.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna type in your build you
a bio right now? What do you want to speak on?

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Oh, it has to be u AP research or anomalous experiences, one.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Or the other.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
See, we have a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
We have cryptid people, we have ghostly people, we have
UFO people, alien people. We've got a good mix.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah, it's got to be U a P Research or
anomalist experiences.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Those are the two things that I'm the best at.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Okay, But after I'm done the show, I will call
you and confirm with you. Okay, okay, on that It'll
be good. It'll be good. M check the private chat

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for a second. Thanks on the right hand side.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
I see you respond to you.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Okay, If that's good for you, then we'll get you
signed up.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
Good, all right.

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Here we go.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Courtney Marcasani UFO researcher. She is diligent in her work.
She is an amateur citizen journalist who does impeccable work
that any big time journalists can do, and she is
here to bring the UFO story to you. Courtney, get
you DOWNE mute your mic. Welcome back.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Hey, So, I wonder if you saw this new.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Media blitz that's happening right now around Enigma's announcement about
all these usos off the coast of the US.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Did you see that I had a phone call from
somebody today about this exact same release, shall we say,
explain it for our audience. The release, it.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Was just in regular newspapers all around, and it started
to hit people's inboxes that a UFO app.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
They didn't say the name, and a lot of the.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
And and a lot of the articles, but they said
this UFO app identified over nine thousand usos off the
coast of the US.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
And there's a map where you see these dots.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
And I just started digging into it, you know, because
I saw people posting about it. So I went to
go look at the articles to look at what the
app was, and.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
It was Enigma.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
And not only that, you know, I started digging into
Enigma's reportings and they've logged over thirty thousand sightings since
Enigma has launched, And so I was looking at the
actual timeline of what's being reported and it's hitting the
news in the media right now, but it looks like
this was back in August.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Did you see that too, where you're able to look
back and.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
See when these usos were actually off the coast these
nine thousand.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes. And the person who I talked to is much
more experience about these types of reportings. And this person,
who I'm going to keep quiet because it is a source,
told me that a lot of those sightings were not
even vetted.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
I wondered, I wonder that we're not vetted.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think the ones that were vetted were is like
around the number three hundred to four hundred that were vetted,
and out of those, they expected about ninety percent of
those to be able to be broken down into something
evidentiary that's non UFO slash UAP slash USO slash flying saucer.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
And yeah, that was my.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Other question, like how many of these are usos versus
trans transit that are air to surface and then under
the water.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
I guess they can't.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Tell that or jet boat, submarines, missile torpedoes.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Or animals you know under the water or echos.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, okay, you know or aquaman.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Started looking at Yeah, that's what I started looking at too.
They were saying some of the reports of these sightings
were within ten miles of US shoreline, So I thought
that was concerning. This kind of maybe adds up with
what your source said five hundred of them were within
five miles, which is like deeply concerning. So I just

(34:38):
went through some of those and kind of looked at
what are they doing for sensor information?

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Who's reporting? Because I remember.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
When Enigma came out, it was basically their customers or
there are people who downloaded the app into the phone,
that's who was reporting these sightings. So then I was
kind of wondering, well, did they open up Enigma to
a wider way of sensing or other reports besides just
the folks who have downloaded the app.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm actually glad that you brought this up because one
of my sources that I was talking to, and I
will say that probably another dozen times here in the
next twelve seconds.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Okay, he told me.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
He told me point blank that the majority of those
reports came from other reporting sources that somehow Enigma Labs
has got their fingers on. So if you look at
those other reporting sources like Koufos, Newfork Mofon, Mofon Canada

(35:42):
and many other of those independent research companies. Apparently a
lot of those reports came from those and in fact,
Josh Rutledge, our UFO Wizard, he was telling us the
other night on the air that he actually has found
his reports. He's part of Bufon. He has found his

(36:05):
reports on Enigma's website or their app. And so what
happens is, as my source stated to me, Enigma doesn't
have anybody following up. They don't have any researchers. They're
just taking the data and sometimes I and I hate

(36:28):
to use the word stealing the data allegedly, okay, but
that is how they are getting the majority of their reports.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Their app, according to my source, is becoming more and
more popular because it is easy to use. But I
will let this slip. I will let this slip. According
to my one of my sources, another source, move On
is actually because of Enigma app is going to be

(37:02):
coming out with a new reporting database that instead of
it taking twenty five to forty five minutes to fill out,
it will take two to five minutes and your report
is immediately going to be followed up by an investigator.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Wow, that is big news. When's that coming out?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
I can't say just yet because I probably spoke too much.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Oh that's okay, I'll share. Some didn't share. Some speak
too much tonight. I have my lines that I've drawn
in the hands. So that's really cool. Thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
I think that it would be very good.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
And you know, this is what I've said prior to this, Okay,
is I've told our audience, So this is nothing new.
Be wary of Enigma labs when you don't know the people.
You have no idea who's on the board of directors,
you have no idea where their money is coming from,
you have no idea what they are doing with their information.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
When they are all of.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
A sudden, out of the blue, getting invited to governmental
projects and conferences that are private, like NASA's UFO slash
UAP conference about a year and a half ago. This
is where you have to worry. Is this someplace I
want my information to be put out?

Speaker 4 (38:27):
So I always say I.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
We've talked about this, We've had a through line on
this for years where we've talked about you know the app,
downloading the app information.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
You know phenom they have their app. Nano now has
an app. There's a lot of different apps out there
in the.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
UAP citing space, but Enigma was one of the first
big ones. And like with other companies like Skywatcher or others,
there's deep pockets. There's deep pockets funding these organizations, and
some of it's private, some of it's private public public,
but private partnerships, and so it's really a matter of

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sussing out and sometimes you can't who's behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Here's what I would like my listeners to do. And
I don't know if you'll agree with this, Courtney or not,
and if if you don't, I would love to hear
your opinion. If you're going to give your UFO report
to a group, look at who their boarder directors are.
Look who's involved with them. And if you have the

(39:33):
same government people or intelligence people or former intelligence people,
or you have it that are involved with eighty percent
of these groups, Okay, you might want to think twice
about giving them your information. And you know, I know
that Moufon and I have had our tet attach numerous times. Okay,

(39:57):
I'm not a Moofon member, but I know enough people
within move on from State directors, to investigators, to even
board director members. Okay, to know that if I was
reporting something, at least I know it's going to an
independent site that actually has real investigators, people like you

(40:19):
and me who are actually taking the time to look
into my case, rather than it going to somebody who
is XCIA or ex Intelligence or NRO or military that
is searching for this subject matter where you don't know
where your information is going.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh, we're going to get into it. We're going to
get into it even deeper. And how this all connects
and all your cautionary warnings, how it all makes sense.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
We're going to well, we'll get into it to it
let's go.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
So did you see Matthew Brown say that all the
you know, billionaires can go f off and go to
their bunkers. They can go to their bunkers. Did you
hear him say this on a recent podcast?

Speaker 4 (41:08):
I heard about it.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yes, Okay, all right, So I think it's very timely
considering what you just brought up about. You know, the apps,
the organizers, who's on the board's ex Intelligence or you know,
your your regular oh intelligence person who's just you know,
working their beat.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
That they that's part of their job, right.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
So I thought it was really interesting that he brought
this up because one of the things that I remember
from him talking on George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel's weaponiye
was talking about this overclassification system that he ran into
during the Immaculate Constellation, you know, when he was doing

(41:51):
all his research and he comes across this file, and
he basically has said openly through the interview and as
follow ups that the only thing and the only reason
why this secrecy is maintained is because of fear, greed,
and willful ignorance. And so I think that he's really
hammering home a lot of these points about how this

(42:13):
whole like what he saw was a whole AI driven
system behind the scenes that classifies all these UAP reports,
takes them in real time, and then hides them and
parses them. You know, that's part of his testimony right
when he was working, and so part of the whole
thing with the Secrets Task Force and the last hearing,

(42:36):
which is basically restoring trust, right, the public's trust back
in the government, is essentially like this overclassification.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
That's a huge part of it.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Second, how whistleblowers are being treated and how they have
been been treated.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
Losing security clearance is losing.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Jobs, you know, loss of money sometimes you know, breaches
of records and things illegally, you know. But one of
the things that I wanted to point out, and I
don't know if I pointed it out in the last SR,
but one of the things that one of the people
said on the committee is that whistleblowers report fraud wasted

(43:14):
abuse at five times an actual government audit. Do you
remember me saying that, yes, yeah, So it's like, we
need to put in protections. That was a big thing
with the last hearing. We need to put in better protections.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
For the whistleblowers.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
We need to lift up this classification issue and this
overclassification because you hear all these whistleblowers saying that reality
is classified, which is kind of like their spin on
all this, which I think is a good thing to
have your sound bites or your one liners, but it
really comes down to what's going to happen now. So

(43:50):
I have to ask you this. Did you hear that
Carl Nell came out and said the actual like part
of the UAPDA process are part of the controlled disclosure
is dead. That he said this publicly recently. Okay, so
you caught that, yes, so on on Richard Dolan's show.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
I guess it was like a week or so ago.
He had this guy on. Have you ever heard of him?
His name is Alan Levine. I always think of Avril.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Levine when I see the guy's name because I think
of the singer.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
I think she might even be a Canadian. But anyway, yeah,
have you ever heard of him? Alan?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I have not?

Speaker 6 (44:33):
Okay, Well, he had Alan.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Levine on and he basically went through the Age of Disclosure,
and much of this you and I already knew because
we talked about it.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I know, we talked about this like a year ago.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
That Age of disclosure was part of this this whole
process from the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, which was approved.
All these whistleblowers are people who are government or military
in this movie have been given a approval to talk
about what they've reported to the government in this movie.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
You remember that, right, yes? Okay.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
The second part of that was that this was supposed
to come out during like the election time, like last year, right,
and it didn't.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
You know, it came out later. But the reason why was.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Because there was supposed to be this big push for disclosure,
a political push for disclosure, and that the age of
disclosure was going to be coming around this time in
a timely fashion to move it into like the legacy
media like ABC, NBCCBS in order for them to cover
the movie while also politically pushing for disclosure. So it

(45:41):
had these like two prong effects. Okay, so when I'm
watching Richard Dolan and this Alan Levine talking about the
Age of Disclosure, he recaps a lot of that like
this is this movie is going to push it forward
and push disclosure in this very narrow way. So basically
heard him break down that the last remaining like bash

(46:04):
of hope for disclosure is this very well organized group
in Congress of staffers, people who have been on this
through the whole time, and people who are on the
SSIIC who have listened and seen the Age of disclosure,
and what they're going to try to do.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
According to this.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Policy analyst that was on Richard Dolan show, he was
saying that they're going to try to release classified transcripts,
which is basically what all the witnesses and all the
people in the government in the military that are on
the record with Dan Ferrer's movie that they're going to
try to push all those transcripts to come out, and

(46:46):
that would be a limited disclosure.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Is that one is necessary to move the ball forward?
Or does it end? If they do do it? Does
it end the topic of discussion?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
I think it moves things into what I've said before,
which is the technology transfer. And I know you were
like agog for me saying that, but I think what
it does if it's a limited, narrow, narrow disclosure that
happens where they released transcripts that were formerly classified that
testify to a lot of what the Age of disclosure

(47:22):
witnesses are already saying in public through the Entertainment Project,
then it would allow policy to happen in Congress. So yes,
but I think that's just for the technology transfer.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
But that's just me.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
There could be other people who have different opinions about that.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
But I think that's why.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I find it very interesting that, you know, the disclosure
movement since the two that were just celebrated, the Two
of the Stars Academy's anniversary. Okay, I find it interesting
that so many people have so many different avenues.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
That they believe are the way to disclosure.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Some people want you know, the big fear still seems
to be catastrophic disclosure, which would break it all open,
and that's what I believe is needed. I don't believe
that it should be.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
You're branded partially.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Did you see some of his tweets which were over
the summer, They were kind of cryptic, but he went
on to X and immediately responded to Elon Musk about
the technology.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
That they have. It was probably back in like June
or July, and then he said, okay, I'm going on
vacation now. I'm basically like cut out.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
But he was doing some drops which I would perceive
as catastrophic.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
But I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Even if the whistleblowers do drop some of what they have,
it wouldn't be a full It's not going to be
a full everything because those people that are witnesses to where,
you know, whatever Air Force base or whatever base that
they were at, it's not the complete picture. It doesn't
go into experiencers, the history, the you know, the my labs,

(49:07):
the you know, the executive orders that kicked.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
All this off.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
It's it's not the full tapestry. So I don't think
catastrophic will happen. Even though I'm the catastrophic kind of girl,
you know that, I think that if this last play
to get these transcripts that were classified release is for
some form of disclosure, I still think that it is
some form of disclosure, which might be all we're going

(49:33):
to get in our last you know, the last hope.
But that being said, the last time this happened was
during twenty fourteen, according to Alan Levine, and he said
that it was during the era where the US was
using torture, and so that was during Diane Feinstein's whole
secret committee that she set up to get all the

(49:55):
information out of the CIA about methods and whether it's
providing full intelligence. And so that's the last time it
happened as a precedent, so it would be very difficult
to get. But there is basically twenty one people on
the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, and they need a majority
to get those transcripts released. So that's what it's going
to take. And I haven't heard any calls for anybody

(50:18):
to contact their senators or their reps at all about
these transcripts. So I'm interested to see how that's going
to play out. And that's one of the reasons why
I wanted to mention it tonight for other people to
watch for it to see if there's any movement at all.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
The next big thing, how much time do we have.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Because then that we have three and a half minutes.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Okay, The next big thing is the NDAA and the
things that people need to be watching for in the
UAP like research movement, and it's all about Arrow and
drones and the legislation that they're trying to push through
the NDAA and the counteract, and Jillibrand and I think

(50:58):
it is Cotton have both signed on for some language
to come in the counteract for drones and UAPs, and
so there's going to be this huge parallel process happening
between drone in drones swarms and UAP incursions happening at
the same time. And that's the thing that we all
need to start paying attention to in Congress is those

(51:19):
dividing lines, the policies, the legislation, who supports it, and
how UAP incursions will be brought in through the Arrow Office.
For example, did you know that Erro has a actual
piece written into the legislation that there is supposed to
be a liaison for this counter UAS Task Force.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I did not know that.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Why is nobody talking about that?

Speaker 5 (51:50):
I mean, there's supposed to be this raw liaison designated
by the Director to sit in with the UAS, which
is basically Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Task Force. So there's these
crossovers that are happening between you know, the Pentagon and Congress,
and these different forms of legislation that are being put

(52:13):
through now are proposed in the NDAA, which they always
usually meet in December for the NDA twenty twenty six
for passage. So things are being put in right now,
Like Burlison just put in some new legislation. So there's
a bunch of different things happening. It's not disclosure, it's

(52:33):
very soft, but there is definitely movement. So when they're
doing these podcasts or they're coming into spaces and they're saying, we're.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
Working on stuff, We're getting a lot done. This is
the things that These are the things that they're doing.
I'm just calling them out very.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Specifically so people know what all this cheer leading is
happening for.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I think that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I just think that the way it was set up
that the NDAA would not have much into it for
UFO slash UAP again. That to me was a real
bubble burster because I thought, after you know, they got
rid of of Mike Turner on the Gang of Eight,
I thought there was a chance it was going to
go through.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Boy was I wrong.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
You know, do you mean the uap DA, the Disclosure Act. Yeah,
they didn't even get that into the managerment. I know
that in the Senate.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
It just it really made me think that it was like,
I think, truly we could talk about this when we
get back from the break. But I think truly they're
trying to bury any disclosure movement. They're trying to get
rid of it. They don't want to deal with it anymore.
They don't want to deal with the nut bars and
and you know, the people who were causing a lot

(53:51):
of online harm and rhetoric to this subject.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
You said it, they don't want the nut bars. I
think that is like the.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Harbor or the death knell of the end of disclosure.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
You said it. You just said it.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
And I think the reason why is all those reasons
you just said, and the amount of time spent, the
urgency around all this for it to happen at a
certain time and all that's passing, and so I do
think that it's good for us to clarify on sor tonight,
like what is important, what this yeerleading is about, and

(54:27):
how we can still make an impact with some of
this if we're asked to, but much of it might
happen behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
All right, Courdy Marcasani. Our one is done.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Hour two about disclosure talk coming up next on spaced
Out Radio.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
This is spaced Out Radio with Hopes Aim Scott.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
Good quote about the nuts chop full of nuts. I
love it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, That's.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Really what was coming to me as I was like
looking over all my notes, all the news, all the updates,
things that people aren't singing because there's just such a barrage,
you know, of the entertainment stuff, the podcast, the old cases.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
People aren't watching what's really going on.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
And as I started to see it all, I was like,
this is because we're crazy. This is why this is
all coming to an end, because they don't want to
deal with it anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, they're done. They got to put the children back
in the nap time.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Area, nappies.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Let's get over to dirty filth here for a little bit.
We got about five minutes. Court Hello Dirty, Hello Dave,
Hello Courtney, who just sauntered away.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Hello Josh lurking in the background. Get him lurking. Nobody
else can see him lurking, lurking.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Boy.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
I'm excited for the rest of the show. I'm almost
done drawing another cartoon. Oh, I gotta show the other
cartoon first. By hell, this was the cartooned. I'm getting
a head start on some of my winter drawings. So
here's poor night crawler. He's having an extremely difficult time
figuring out how to shovel his sidewalk in the winter time,

(56:23):
because well, he put his nice winter boots on, which
I actually forgot to. I forgot to put the gold
buckles in there, because he's got gold buckles on his belts.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Here on his.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Belts, his boots.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Here we go, old buckles and an out.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Jump right off and he squished my crotch.

Speaker 8 (56:47):
Unbelievable, but as a cat we expect.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
So here we go.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Here's here's a night crawler.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Me get my.

Speaker 8 (56:57):
Nice little border that I got here, so everything looks nice,
professional and how it looks inside of a frame. There's
a night crawler figuring out wondering how to figure out
how to get his shovel working when he only has
two feet. Yeah, not sure how this is gonna help
or whatever.

Speaker 9 (57:17):
But you know, if he's if he's lucky, maybe a
maybe a gno him or something, he'll come by or
Goblin's gonna had a couple more things in there wasn't
to my satisfaction.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
There we are.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Excellent. Do you know how difficult it is for the
night Crawler to open a jar of pickle juice? He's
got pointy little feet and he's got to keep his
sidewalk clean because out Yeah, that's tell you because eventually
his sweetheart, lady Nightcrawler is going to come visit him,

(57:57):
and that's who he's waiting for. He's gonna get the
sidewalk clan first, but it's could be quite difficult to
do that when you got no hands with any luck
or maybe even a friendly sasquatch will saunter by. That
was just so, that's that was tonight's drawing. I was
whipping up this other beauty here. This is this is

(58:19):
the Goblin running through the snow. Just figured out get
nextra one done?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Here?

Speaker 8 (58:25):
Will Theyve and Courtney are out feeding aliens, and Dave's
feeding a dog man in his backyard, and Courtney's putting
note saucers of milk for the aliens so they leader
Looneder in the show?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Have you ever interested?

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Watching more More Drawings Saturdays at three pm Mountain Time,
which is two pm Pacific. Anything else, you guys will
have to math it out. Hey, I drunk cartoons on
space That rudy as well. You just type in crypti
cartoons with dirty filth. I'll be there drawing cartoons and

(59:04):
usually solving flight's mysteries. A whole bunch of interesting drawings. Oh,
anybody was watching earlier? How much time about here? Four
minutes thirty seconds approximately, So if anybody was watching earlier,
I have permission to show this. This is a drawing

(59:27):
that I've been collaborating with. It's with an elf named Fiful.
You can look up Fifle the twit fi f l
E the twit on X. She draws great artwork. My
Space sprogs are collaborating with her. So this is this

(59:47):
is the penciling. I'm just doing the penciling of the spragus.
She does all the actual fine artwork, and it'll it'll
eventually show up and I will share it with you
guys when we get to that point in time. Had
I had to show that because I don't get to
collaborate with other artists too often, and now that I
get to and I have permission to show it at

(01:00:10):
least the fair bones and talk about it excited. So yes,
Hello Courtney, if you're still looking here.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
I am watching what you're doing. Can you recap for me?

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
I can do it in like ten seconds here. Yeah,
I'm doing a collaboration my space progs the little tiny
pencil drawings of the space cats with some intrepid space
selves with a friend I met on X and we're
both wonderful artists.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
So you are amazing, totally amazing.

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Is it a good direction? A bad direction? Do we
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Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
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Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
How you doing right, friends, I'm doing I'm doing well,
and if you haven't seen me in my rant pages
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It always pops up, so you don't have to have
the handle. But I just want to bring everybody backed

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up to speed, is what we were saying before the break,
which is the Congress, you know, all the committees, they're
most likely very overwhelmed by, you know, all the UAP support,
I think, and advocacy efforts, and maybe they're just closing

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ranks right now. And so we just before the break
kind of went through maybe one of the last bastions
of hope, which is for a transcript release of all
the UAP committees and some other maybe UAP Task Force transcripts,
which might come out if there's a hard lobby by
certain people in Congress who have been following this issue closely,

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including maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
The task Force.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
And the reason why I say that is because supposedly,
you know, I don't know this, but supposedly Luna got
Title ten in Title FI clearance on the Secrets Task
Force to be able to get access into some of
these whistleblowers reports that they haven't been able to before,

(01:04:13):
and that might be able to turn the tide to
have these transcripts be released.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
That was one way.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
That was through one push through the task force that's
been set up for UAP secrecy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
How much of the whistleblower action that we have seen
so far publicly has gone to sway the government officials
on this topic one way or another, because when I
look at the whistle blowers, I look at it as
they aren't whistleblowers. They are people who have had experiences

(01:04:50):
like you or me. The different part about it is
they were hired by the government when their experience happened.
And the only real whistleblower that I think the UFO
world has had so far maybe David Grush, and there's
still a lot of controversy around him. So I have
a real tough time. And this is a personal thing.

(01:05:14):
This isn't a evidentiary thing. I'm just going by what
I have seen as a show host that I don't
think we've had true whistleblowers come out. Whistleblowers provide information,
they don't tell a story.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Well, I think there have always been people in Congress, rumored, alleged,
whatever you want to say, that have been interested in
this issue because they are experiencers.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
So there's that part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Then there's the whistleblowers who have had witnessed accounts and
when they witness an account, and as everybody's going to
see in the Age of Disclosure, you know, they have
all these witnesses that have actual accounts on basis or
military installations or these are people in Congress. Several people
that are still in Congress are on the record, including

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you know, Marco Rubio, who's you know, one of the
heads of our national security right now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
So the gravity of all of that is just about
ready to hit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
That's going to be coming out. People can see it
on Prime on November twenty first. I already said, you know,
James Fox has a new movie coming the follow up
to A Moment of Contact, which is I think even
more exciting in some ways than Age of Disclosure coming out.
But for people they uninitiated that haven't been following this
whole issue, that's exactly what it's about, is about people

(01:06:38):
reporting this and they issue to be taken seriously. So
it kind of falls along lines of the experiencers. A
lot of these whistleblowers kind of fall into that categorization
of experiencers because they've had an account, but we're not
really hearing the after effects that they've had necessarily like

(01:06:58):
you would hear from a normal experiencers case study. For example,
Jim Sigala does this study, the Moopas Study, Okay, and
he was essentially hired by how put Off and it
went down in Austin, Texas and worked with how and
he was an electrical.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Engineer I think by trade, but then.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
He got his PhD in physics and so he was
tapped to basically run this study called the Moopas Study,
where they studied these individuals. Some of them worked at
Skinwalker or were former employees for Bass and the Bigelow
the Bigelow Group, And so they put.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Those folks like thirty six people.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Into a group and had them they either had experiences
or injuries while they were on the job from UAPs,
and they studied them at home at work. They gave
them like a personal device that took information in sensor
data and other things while they were home as well.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
They also connected them into.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Like a live chat space and they also journaled about
their experiences.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
So that study is actually an experience.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
Or study of these individuals that had events happened. Then
they went into the study, they took all the data,
all the information from the sensors, and then they also
took all their narrative reporting, and so these people were
considered experiencers. And so there is real data now from
multiple groups, multiple studies that validate experiencers and their experiences.

(01:08:32):
But I think that when you're talking about whistleblowers, they
always don't follow along along the experience a line. Sometimes
they're just witnessing something, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
And I think that's the point. But I think we
are so hungry for people to come out from the
inside to talk about this that we're willing to mislabel
them for what they aren't. And I think that has
been a giant mistake the UFO world's part in, you know,

(01:09:04):
telling these people and look, I'm not saying their testimony
shouldn't be is incredible. I'm not saying that whatsoever. Whistleblowers,
though true whistleblowers bring out information, and they are able
to provide information that moves a subject forward, that could
get them in trouble, that could get them jail time,

(01:09:24):
that could cost some top secret clearance that might, you know,
put some egg on the government's face. We really haven't
had that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
Now, and that was by design.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Remember when Whitley Streeber, I said at the first Soul
Symposium back in twenty twenty three, and that was with
Carl Nell, Avi Lobe was there, Beatrice was there, Kevin
Kanouth was there, our former Fight Club you know member,
we were all there. Ross coltheart was there. And Whitley
Streeber stood up during the Q and A and he said,

(01:10:00):
I don't know why I am not allowed as an
experiencer to talk in Congress or to bring my story
forward or even be represented here today at Seoul. And
he said, I was told there is a moratorium on experiencers,
not only in DC, but in this whole initiative of
disclosure that's happening right now, and especially in Congress. They

(01:10:24):
didn't have any palette for it. It was not a
palatable thing. But I think we need to look at.
One of the most recent things that just came out,
and this was on my list, and I'm glad we're
getting it to it, is that Dan Sherman.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Dan Sherman just.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Came out and he wrote, you know, the famous book
way back when.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
I mean I remember reading it, like, I don't know,
like a decade ago.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
I guess it was when I first had my experience
with my daughter. I read Dan Sherman's book and he
talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Oh you muted yourself, Partney.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
He was in like a modular like a modular okay.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
You know, and he was in the army.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
He was recruited and he testifies to all this in
his book that he went and he was interfacing with
this computer and it was very slow and monotonous at first,
and he was supposed to watch this line.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
And he was supposed to move the line.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
It was essentially like a mind computer interface, and eventually
he did and he met the benchmarks. But over the
time where they were training him, he was essentially connecting
to NHI or you know, some kind of alien tech interface.
This is long before you know Skywatcher and all these
you know, new brain to computer interface this And so

(01:11:45):
he just came out on Jesse Michaels, he talked about
his book, he talked about his experiences, and so it's
so interesting because when he was going through those experiments
essentially government funded for the military, he picked up you know,
on on essentially like a call or a stream that
he wasn't supposed to connect to, and they were talking

(01:12:05):
about alien abductions. And I think this is one of
the reasons why it's not palatable in any way or
regard right now, because they can't say that part of
this phenomenon is true because of lawsuits, because of civil rights,
because of all the reasons around it. But Dan Sherman
just came out and he said he would be willing
to testify. So I think that's a big part of

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this is why it's been left out of the whole
debate or discussion or even being able to be brought
into it as a topic.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Well, and I like the point how you pointed out
the lawsuits, because this could open up an entire.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Can of worms.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Okay, if it was ever to come out out of
that UFO Pandora's box that many believe is sitting in
the Pentagon, that somehow, some way, people within the military
industrial complex or the agencies knew about these abductions happening,

(01:13:08):
and to whom that's going to cause a giant tear
in the fabric of governmental trust.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Well, and that's why it's been left out by design.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Like Kirk McConnell at the Soul last year in November
up in outside of San Francisco, he said openly, like
these individuals he was talking about the whistleblowers now and
some of them are full on experiencers. He's saying that
the government's going to have to make things right with them.

(01:13:41):
Loss of job, loss of security clearance, loss of income.
He's been on the record saying, and he was with
the Senate Arms Committee. He's one of the very important
lawyers that's been helping whistleblowers behind the scenes with their
own cases, and he said that publicly they're going to
have to make things right with these individuals, veterans, intelligence community,

(01:14:04):
people who have been romped. So if you spread that
wider into people who have made claims about you know,
alien abductions, and you you know, you have evidence and
material and physical evidence, then yeah, that would potentially be
a bombshell, a huge bombshell because of the legal part

(01:14:25):
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
So when you say controlled disclosure, that that's what they
are going for, what does that look like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
That's been the battle plan from the beginning, and it
was such a taboo word controlled right because nobody wanted
to believe that there was an actual top down controlled
effort with the legislation, with the lobbying efforts with the
entertainment projects, but you can clearly look back and see
that it was controlled disclosure. Carl Nell spoke about this

(01:14:57):
at the First Soul after a David Gresh's hearing in
twenty twenty three, that it was preferred for it to
be controlled disclosure because of the security state, how it
would erode and fall apart, because of national security, because
of the military industrial complex, because of all the psychological

(01:15:18):
and sociological factors around ontological shock. I mean, he did
a PowerPoint presentation on controlled disclosure and why it was preferable.
So with him coming out and saying this part of
disc controlled disclosure is dead or done, that is a
major signal that we haven't been successful with what he wanted,

(01:15:41):
which was the UAPDA, the actual legislation to get passed,
and some parts of it were adopted in the NDAA,
like the Recordization Act to go in and get all
the records, but they didn't get the Presidential Panel approved,
they didn't get the Eminent Domaine approved, and so many
people were negotiating about it coming into this new round

(01:16:02):
and the Manager's package, and the sign from that group,
that core group that put that legislation through is it
was as ambitious as it was in the beginning because
that's what we needed to do.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
And now that that's.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Not passed again, it hasn't even gotten into the floor.
There are different people putting in different types of legislation
now to try to salvage or maintain some part of
the Recordization Act and tighten it up, make it better.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
So people kind of need to look at all.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
These new issues coming forward. In this last push. Berlissen
has proposed something. There is this counter act going through
right now into the NDA that Jillibrandon Cotton signed on.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
For to have UAPs included in that. Keep track of that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
There are some you know, things still at play here
going forward that people need to be aware of to
at least follow through on it and see if things
do get adopted or not by the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Is this healthy for the subject now?

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
I don't think it's healthy at all. I think it's
been whiplash. I think people have been following it, spending
a lot of time on it, pulling people aside in
Congress like Matt Lazlow has the whole time asking about
the difference between the drone swarms and the UAP incursions,
and it does raise the visibility on these issues because
everybody's talking about it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Are these drones, are the UAPs? What's the difference? They
seem to be overlapping.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
I mean, how many airports have been shut down just
in the last three months, one in Spain, one in Copenhagen,
multiple in Denmark that were shut down, Germany, Norway.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
So it's becoming a real, huge, huge issue.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
You know, for everyone commercially and militarily. So I think
it's an important issue. But I do think we're going
to see some of the open talks receid and things
moving more behind the scenes because of those safety issues.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
I think you're going to see.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
A legislation, more of it around drones. I think UAPs
will probably be woven into that in terms of the policies,
because it's gonna come down to the decisions and how they.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
Take action they have to. So good, it's good for
one reason, but not for others.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Who's going to make the push.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
Well, we already know our military is, you know, not
going to sit on idle hands or sit on their
hands while all this drone activity and potentially UAP incursion
activity is happening.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
Their tip of the steer is a spear kind of stuff.
But when you watch I just.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Watch Catherine Bigelow's movie House of Dynamite. I don't know
if everybody in the chat has seen this or not,
but one of the alarming things that came through in
that movie is that we the US only have like
a fifty fifty percent hit rate on incursions coming in
nuclear fifty percent.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
We have a fifty percent shot.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
And then the Department of Defense came out and said
that's not true. It's much higher. Their sources weren't good
for the movie, and she said no, she contacted multiple
people and they.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
Said that number is accurate.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
So when you think about what Chris Mellan said at
the beginning of lou E. Alzando's book that there is this
breakdown in the intelligence community with UAP intelligence that rivals
the likes of nine to eleven, it has to be
taken seriously now because of all these issues the intelligence,

(01:19:42):
the security state, who's getting information, What is the UAP incursion?

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
What is a drone?

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
I mean, with all this technology from Lockheed and Anderil
of these autonomous drones.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
I mean, we're really getting into like a drone warfare
kind of state the US.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Is, well, we see that already happening in the European
fronts and even in a lot of the wars that
are starting up in in Africa. Again, is drone warfare
is getting very very ugly, very very quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
This disclosure, I think it's good for us to start
reshaping it and reframing it into strategic.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
It's a strategic disclosure versus full disclosure. That's what we.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Should start calling. I think that's more an accurate name
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
What's you what's going to be missed? Is this strictly
about technology? Are we going backwards now about the technology
aspect of it all? Because we were starting to make
real strides forward that it could be alien life, that
it could be some sort of time traveler into interdimensional
or outer space being we were starting to get into

(01:20:55):
that conversation. But that seems to be winding down. Is
it about just the technology again?

Speaker 6 (01:21:02):
That's what I think. That's what I think.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
That's my personal take is that we are going to
hear less and less about NHI in this strategic disclosure.
That's about to happen, and we're going to see more
about drones. We're going to see more about policy and
legislation about identifying what it is, but the unknown aspect
of it being nhi or beating otherworldly or being from

(01:21:27):
a biosphere or whatever these other conversations have entertained.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
I think that is going to narrow very very thin.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Okay, So if that happens, then, in your opinion, do
we then see an end to the whistleblowers? Do we
then see an end to arrow?

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
I think aeroscope is going to come down to we've
already seen in this new legislation.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
The ERROO is asking for this new case management system.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
They're asking for a specific type of software that's going
to allow them to integrate investigations, you know, files, follow ups,
and so they're asking for like next level, next generation
software for them to manage everything better, and they are
calling it a matrix. There's actually even part of the

(01:22:18):
policy that talks about this matrix that they're going to
be required to do what you're just asking for reporting
and so that is also going to be i think
compartmentalized in new ways depending on the policy, the case
management software if they get it or not, and then
how they do reporting and giving information back to the public.

(01:22:40):
So yes, I do think it will be thinner and
more narrow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Okay, So if that happens, then you know, is this
where all of a sudden, a group like Enigma Labs
sneaks in there to take over, in their hope, the
research portion of it all. So that way the government
still gets their information without having to be public about it.
And they have a group out there that's you know,

(01:23:07):
got the money in the background where they don't have
to put their work through or whatever they do through
foyer requests. Does it look like that might be the direction.
I know it sounds conspiratorial.

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
But it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
No, I don't think it's conspiratorial. And here's why it
makes perfect sense. Right, Let's say they get this new
cage case management system that they ask for right in
this next budget round and the you know NDAA, and
they're required to basically take these overlapping systems that are
happening in era right now and streamline them in a

(01:23:42):
new way through the case management software.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
And that all happens, what they'll be required to.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Do is use that system to investigate reporting, tracking and
the status of the cases and keep it all locked
into errow.

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Why it makes sense what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Okay, for this strategic disclosure, let's call it is if
there are other organizations which we know that there are.
There's a Skywatcher, there's Phenom, there's Enigma, there's NANU.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Now that's a new one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Hold that thought. We got to carry it over. I apologize,
but we do have to carry that over to the
next break, okay, because it does get into a lot
of where this movement is going. Courtney Marcosani is here.
Which direction is disclosure heading? And will it be good
for the public. We'll try and get some audience questions

(01:24:34):
as well in the next half hour.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
This is spaced out Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
You're listening Space Down Medio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
Do you want the section number or are you not
going to look this up if I put it on Twitter?

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Or maybe that's better.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
What's the section number?

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
It's the section one five five six requires a consolidated
security classification guideline matrix.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Yeah, let's throw it up on both.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Okay, we can go into that when we come back.
I have it all stepped out for.

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
You d.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
Dood stepping out the DoD LINGO.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
But god, you're so intuitive because you know it all
makes sense and we'll.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Break that out. But you just you ask the perfect
question and I didn't even have to prompt you. You
just did it. That's what I love about you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I'd kind of pay attention sometimes, you know, I know
you do not all the time, not all the time,
but sometimes I pay attention.

Speaker 10 (01:26:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
But the reality is about that entire subject is it's
so easy to play out once you see it. It's
easy to call the next move. Like give an example,
and this is an easier example for the public. If
you look at Elon Musk. He says he's going to Mars. Okay,
he has his dream about putting rockets to Mars. So

(01:26:31):
what does he what does he push his next ventures around? Okay,
electric cars that could run eventually on solar power. He
makes a boring company to drill holes under the earth.
He then creates AI robotics that will help or partly

(01:26:56):
he creates neuralink to help people have the pressures on
their brain or hopefully one day that neuralink can fix
things like blindness or or people who are hearing impaired,
or spina bifida or or you know, peril paralysis.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Let's hope.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
But this is every company that he has built is
to go back to the original goal of colonizing Mars.
The AI robots. Who's going to build it in no atmosphere,
it's not going to be humans. AI robots don't have
to breathe. They're going to build the structures.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
So if you look, they're building the infrastructure now for absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
So if you take that technology and then you were
part of me, you take that game plan and you
put it into UFOs. You can see how everything is
being structured with who's going to get the toys, who's
going to get the information out, how it's going to
play out, and so on and so forth. It's a

(01:28:01):
very simple structure. You take a bit, you take a bit,
you take a bit, you take a bit, and then
we'll glue it all together to create the puzzle.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
And Eric Weinstein and his latest you know, big podcast
that he did, he was like, Elon wants to go
to Mars, is like, why can't he give me.

Speaker 6 (01:28:19):
A couple of billion just to do actual physics?

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
You know, I'm like anti gravity and I'm like, oh
my god, there's such a disconnect.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
But I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
And this is no shot at Eric Weinstein or any
scientists out there. Elon doesn't want dinosaurs who think it
can't be done. He wants people to go above and beyond,
and he wants people to say it's going to be difficult,
but if we did this, this, and this, it might work.

(01:28:52):
And he's like, Okay, we got the money, do it.
See if it works.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
There's a whole bunch of things I can say about
all that, but I'm not gonna I.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Refuse, refuse.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
I thought that his comments about American physicists getting PhDs
in physics I'm talking about Eric Weinstein now not being
able to do actual physics on anti gravity was well said.
And I think it's a tragedy, and American tragedy what
he's speaking to. And so I listened to him really

(01:29:28):
closely when he talks about Musk and the Earth and
that we have this beautiful home right here and we
should be working on that versus trying to jet off
and do jets and land.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
But is Mars for us?

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
Well, if you listen to some of the old, old
old timers, you know, that's where we originally came from.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Yeah, is Mars, but that's a whole different conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
I know it is, I know it is. I'm just
I'm going with you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
All right. Let's say thank you to Area fifty four,
Pam and Walter for the super chats. Thank you to
all our new subscribers. Here we go at the next
half hour. Here we go with the second half of

(01:30:31):
Spaced Out Radio tonight. Good to have you with us.
My name is Dave Scott. We're talking disclosure with Courtney
Marcusani tonight UFO Researcher, because one day I will break
her of the habit of UAP.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
That's my goal in life.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
That is my New Year's resolution for twenty twenty six,
to break Courtney Marcusani from the UAP stigma. She's better
than that, way better, and I'm teaching. I'm teasing. Before
we break Courtney back in, let's remind you that all
of our shows are free on every major podcast network

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Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
We got great swag on our store, you got the Bumblefoot,
you got everything there. Let's just get to Courtney. Hell
with what I have to say. I say it every
half an hour. You don't know it by now by
listening to this show, then you gotta, you know, just
hit rewinder fast forward. That's all you gotta do, all right, Courtney,
Let's get to it. Disclosure controlled. It's a narrative that

(01:31:32):
seems to be putting plants in place and stepping stones
in place that many probably are not even recognizing that
it's happening right in front of their very noses. And
what's the intelligence world always say the best played to
hide something is right in front of your face.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Oh my gosh. I love that one story where.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Dody had documents that were supposedly like classified or whatever,
and so he worked this workaround where he typed him
all up and put top secret on.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
The front and did this whole workaround.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
And I guess there was an investigation and he was like,
what are you going to do?

Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
I typed him up on my own.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
Computer and I put top secret on them, and he
knew how to work the whole system. This was something
that one of our sor friends told me, and I
was like, see, that's how you do a true work around.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
You just you know, you know how to work the angles.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
We're just working what we got, which you know what
rock what you've got is what I say and sor.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
Rock what You've got.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
The thing that we were talking about on the break
that nobody heard is that there is this new section
in the twenty twenty six DA that nobody's really talking about,
the which I was asking David about.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
It's section one.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Five five six requiring quote a consolidated security classification classification.

Speaker 6 (01:32:55):
Guideline matrix for Arrow's office.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
So this is going into new NDAA, which will likely
they'll all meet up in late December here.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
So what the precisions. What the provision says is.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
That it would require the Director of AERO to issue
a security classification guidance matrix for.

Speaker 6 (01:33:17):
Programs related to UAPs.

Speaker 5 (01:33:19):
So everybody who's watching disclosure, that's a really important thing.
I'm calling it a strategic disclosure right now, instead of
you know, full disclosure or catastrophic the disclosure or controlled disclosure,
because it seems like they've learned what's failed, they have
a strategy. It's still going to be pushed forward and

(01:33:40):
we're going to know more, but it's not going to
be full disclosure. So the same provision requires the director
to provide a briefing to the House and the Senate
Armed Services Committee no later than thirty days after the
issue of the matrix if it's approved, so we'll know
after the NDA passed. If this matrix has been approved,

(01:34:02):
it's going to be a requirement for ARROW to follow it.
They've asked for a new case management system to be approved.
And Dave asked me before we went to the break,
how is this going to lead to potential outside groups
like Enigma or other apps or other types of reporting
software to be used either in concert separately.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
And then what was the other thing that you said, Dave?

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
There was one other piece of that that was crucial
to going forward and breaking this down.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Oh goodness, now you're putting me on the spot like that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
You asked me a specific question and it totally pertains
to this next push for strategic disclosure.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
What was it do you remember?

Speaker 10 (01:34:44):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Was are you talking about Enigma Labs?

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
And how could they be you know, as this subject
starts to wind down, could they be the governmental interest
in getting the people who are reporting their stories? And
that's why I think their app is really important and
they really don't have to give up anything. They don't

(01:35:09):
need to investigate it. They're just collecting stories of where
these events are happening.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Here's one of the answers to that consolidating of classified
guidance across multiple UAP investigation and intelligence programs to reduce
fragmentation or of classified authorities and contradictory processes. So here's
how I see what you're saying potentially working. If this
all gets approved, they get the case management system to

(01:35:36):
keep all this consolidation within an arrow and updates for.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Cases and investigations.

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
The way in which outside groups like Enigma or Skywatcher
or other types of groups that are getting data that
they don't release their raw data.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
The problem and the breakdown and the future will be.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
If AERO has all this case management system to have
potentially duplicates right on case verification where these different groups
potentially would overlap or have the same case.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
So that's one.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
Way that lack of releasing of the raw data to
everybody to work in concert, which we know that's not
going to happen, makes it harder to get legislation in
the future. That's one aspect which would be hard underpinning
for disclosure in the first In the first reason and
why it would close down because the error would essentially

(01:36:31):
be this data bank that has everything wrapped up in
one axle, but those other groups will still be data
and collecting and reporting. So if they're not cross chattering,
if they're not talking, then it makes it much harder
to push disclosure through, right because you don't have the cases,
all the cases to make a huge upstream push for disclosure.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
And if Enigma Labs is allegedly taking reports from other
UFO centers and claiming them as their own, you know,
number one, I'm surprised none of these reporting centers have
offered a cease and desist if that is happening. Or

(01:37:15):
number two, i am surprised that they aren't calling out
the Nigua Labs who if they are allegedly doing it
and taking reports that should be brought out to the
public that they've caught them doing this and using those
reports it's your own.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
It's plagiarism, is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
Well, yeah, but it's also like double reporting. And if
there's clusters of things happening that you can't compare the data,
so there's you know, lack of reporting across all these
different paradigms look at the look at the Langley event
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:37:51):
Three, right, that was a big deal. There was an incursion.
It was reportedly a UAP incursion, but there was also
drones being discussed at the same time. This was before
even the new Jersey drone incidents.

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
The Pentagon still said they don't have good information on
what occurred at Langley two years ago now, so it's
a major information breakdown and it is, you know, alarming
to me that they're going to be consolidating all this
information and how they're going to use that and maybe

(01:38:26):
not potentially report as much to the public.

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
We'll have to see.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
It doesn't say anything about that in the NDAA you
know what's being proposed. It just says it wants to
streamline all the information and ERRO to have this new
system to do it with, so whether outside parties would
be potentially tapped for their data. And Skywatcher is a
data driven company that they say that's what they're about,

(01:38:52):
but they still don't release all their raw data. And
now with James Fowler leaving and taking on a government contract,
don't really know what will happen with Skywatcher and their
actual data reporting to the public.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
I don't think that's coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
They haven't really commented on it. There's been really no
news or updates. Sometimes they say there will be new information.

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
Unless you know something.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Yeah, sure, to cut you off there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
But from what I've heard from a couple of insiders
is I think Skywatcher may be on life support. Well,
I don't know why, but I've heard that they're not
coming out with anything new. Then, they've got no projects
that are planned here in the near future, and they
don't plan on releasing any evidence right now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
Well, I think that the problems are going to be
classification and overclassification as usual. You've heard from the Task
Force and at the hearing that they're really pushing to
stop overclassification, and they're big push now with the Task
Force and even follow up hearings is going to be
to move to declassify quickly and more UAP records release,

(01:40:07):
and so that's going to be their big push from
the hearings, and then from the whistleblower standpoint, I think
they're going to try to work in more protections for
whistleblowers going forward, But it still doesn't answer the arrow question.
We'll have to know more next year when the NDAA passes,
if this full thing gets adopted, and then they have
the new system, and then they have thirty days to

(01:40:29):
follow up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
But let me follow up with what you're just saying,
to steal one of your terms. If they're trying to
get rid of disclosure, does ERROW, then maybe not move
it more into an internal background rather than being a
public figure for this topic, because it will not be necessary.

Speaker 6 (01:40:49):
We've already seen signs of that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
I know a couple people who worked on ARROW when
some of the first whistleblower cases were covered and that
first report was sent out. But what they did was
they took everything off the front end of the website,
all documents, all reports, all information. They put most of
it on the back end of the website so only
people in Aero could see the cases. And now the

(01:41:14):
report was put out already, but then they had, you know,
information on whistleblower cases, what had been reported, how it
had been dismissed or proven not UAP or related.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
So some of that has already happened.

Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
It's already gone into the back end of the ERA
website for only the folks that work at AERO. That
was the other thing that people have criticized Aero about,
especially at the last hearing, that there was lack of transparency,
lack of information already happening, and that the ERROW needed
to be accountable in the future going forward. So I

(01:41:48):
think that they will be held to account and taken
to task for a lot of the public reporting, because
it was a public office set up to do UAP
reports for the public. So they won't be able to
get off the hook completely. But I think we will
see more of that happening behind the scenes rather than

(01:42:08):
on the fly openly in the public eye.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
If this all transpires, what happens to Annapolina Luna's conspiracy club?

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
Who is that?

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
Jamie? Is that the UAP caucuser?

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
You know, that's the whole government, you know where I
always forget it. I just call it the conspiracy club
where Timbersheed, Nancy Mace, Anapolina Luna, the people from the hearings. Okay,
they've gone into JFK, they've gone into Martin Luther King.
I keep forgetting what the name of it is. I
just call it the conspiracy club.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
It's the Secrets Task for us. That's the official name
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
That was the last hearing that was you know, propped up,
was restoring the public.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
Trust and the government, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
So I think that the Conspiracy Club is well a lot.
You know, they've had a bunch of hiccups because of
their own lack of, you know, having clearance to take
the testimonies of some of these whistleblowers. But I do
think they're alive and well for at least what another month.
They got cleared for six months. They had a six

(01:43:16):
month extension after they had their first term, So that's
going to end here shortly. So the Conspiracy Club, as
you call it, might be dead, or maybe they'll get
another extension to keep moving forward.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
I haven't heard any scuttle but about that at all
about their upcoming deadline.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
All right, let's get to some audience questions here. Okay,
here's a good one to start with, bad Cop no Donuts.
Who are considered the nutbars?

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
We are?

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
We're at the nut Bars.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
Dave announces every show that he's got his tinfoil hat
on and his tinfoil underwear.

Speaker 6 (01:43:55):
We are the nut Bars.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
I think it goes a little bit further than that, though.
Besides your ordinary podcast or radio show there is There
are a lot of people who are going, I'm going
to use this term very very carefully, mentally ill when
it comes to this subject, Okay, that have sent politicians

(01:44:21):
very threatening letters. Yes, they have doxed people online, going
after their families, going after their friends, going after their
their spouses, death threats galore. These are the people that
have literally, because of their actions, have turned a lot

(01:44:44):
of these government scientists and you know, lack of a
better term, whistleblowers against the UFO public. And we don't
take enough time to recognize that there are a lot
of sick individuals out there who think that by threatening

(01:45:05):
the life of whether you like them or not, Louella
Zonda or Chris Mellan or Gary Nolan or Tim Burshett
or Anna Polina Luna or any of these people, by
threatening them that they're going to move the ball forward
on this and it's been ugly and they're tired of it,

(01:45:26):
and unfortunately they wield a big stick. That's where I
think it is.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
It's a mob mentality.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
There's a huge mob mentality of individuals in the UFO community.
It's not just now, It's been going on forever that
just they take things too far, and we're seeing it
hit critical mass, and the whistleblowers have been threatened and
they've said how they've been threatened, and there is even

(01:45:55):
some accusations of things like DOS and weapons attacks by
sir foreign actors, and so it's a very difficult field.
It's not one to take lightly to get in it.
And I think that whope cliche of the nut bars
is really kind of what we're known for. And there's
a lot of people that give the good nut bars
a bad name mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
And unfortunately, there's a lot of social media platforms right
now that allow this behavior to happen, whether it's on X,
A lot of it is happening on Discord. A lot
of it is happening on other social media platforms as well,

(01:46:36):
but X and Discorder probably the two most prevalent, that's
for sure. Right, let's go to another question. Let's go
to Super Crazy. Do you know if the age of
disclosure will be the same version that was screened earlier
this year or will there be some additions or substractions.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
Oh, I know there's a director's cut.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
I was told that by people who were in the
who were in the film that didn't make the screened versions,
but I don't know if it'll be a director's cut
or not.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
Sorry, I wish I did.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
I hope it is. I hope it is back to
super Crazy. Do you think the government is holding living
alien beings against their will? And do you think people
like Jay Stratton or Hal put Off, James Lakatski or
Carl Nell have seen them in person?

Speaker 5 (01:47:23):
Jay Stratton at the screening for Aged Disclosure said a
comment when somebody asked him like, do you think we'll
ever get to see the bodies?

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
And he said, how do you know? I haven't?

Speaker 5 (01:47:35):
Right, So there are some people like James Leukotski who
said he was in the craft, he put his hand.

Speaker 6 (01:47:42):
On the wall. There are rumors.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
That hal put Off is the is the guy behind
the famous tape you know, down and down in Area
fifty one, that he saw the bodies, But I don't
know that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:56):
That's just allegations. So there all these people.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Yes, I've been alleged, rumored linked to have seen something
you know, NHI related, but I can't say that for sure.
I just know what I've tracked down and what I
watch and observe from the community, and what they comment on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Let's move on here, let's go to Derek. Do you
think or do you have information on where non human
intelligence is being held?

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
No, I don't have any information like that. Jay Stratton
did say during the.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
Live Q and a portion.

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
Of the Age of Disclosure down south by Southwest, he
said that he gave addresses, he reported everything, and you know,
nothing was done. So I don't know of the addresses
that he gave, if any NHI were being held there.
I just want to clarify that distinction. But he did
say he reported addresses during his time at the UAP

(01:49:01):
Task Force.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Five minutes ago. Go to jewels.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Here is remote viewing included amongst the intelligence of the anomalist?
Is this something they don't want to discuss?

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
I mean, it comes up now.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
I just saw that Luna was looking at the CIA
reading room history of SRI for like the first time ever.
That was just this summer, and I was like, oh
my gosh, how can they be reading about SRI for
the first time in the CIA reading room.

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
But they're very far behind the curve.

Speaker 5 (01:49:37):
I know that David Grush would obviously have been aware
of SRI and its history, and you know the FBAI
raid and the scientology connections and pat Price and all
that he would have known. He would have gotten the
history from how put off are other people, But it
seems like they are just not generally aware, and there's
a steep learning curve to learn all this stuff. So

(01:49:59):
I I think there's still a lot of compartmentalization happening.
They're still working on certain lines. I know that David
Grush is definitely helping on the task force, leading them
into certain areas and lines of research to guide them.
But I've also been told that Luna staffers just are
not aware of these issues at all, and they don't
even feel comfortable having the committee meetings unless David Grush

(01:50:23):
is there because he's so knowledgeable and they're not.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
That's a mixed question. I think some people are probably
pretty aware of it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:32):
But certainly not all.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
And Luna being the head of this having potentially titled
ten and fifty clearances and reading at the reading room
the first time just a couple of months ago, it
doesn't bode well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
I also, if I can add to that for a
quick moment, I think it's any project, it's not just
remote viewing it's any project that deals in any sort
of part of the phenomena that they do not want
to discuss. I mean, whether it's mk Ultra, whether it's
my Labs, whether it's alien abduction or astral travel, near

(01:51:11):
death experiences, remote viewing, whatever you want to call it.
I think there is a real push right now to
try and shy away from any of these topics. I
think it may have gotten out of hand a little bit.
If you recalled in the last hearing where or was
it two hearings ago where the questions were coming out

(01:51:32):
about alien hybrids human hybrids? It came out about that question.
I think it was two hearings ago.

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
It was two hearings ago, and they asked it was
during the Immaculate Constellation testimony, and they asked lou Schellenberger,
and they said, are you aware of an alien hybrid program?

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
And they all said no. I was like shocked.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
But I guess maybe that means firsthand involved, firsthand witness.
I don't know, but I was like blown away that
they had never encountered that information because it's definitely out there,
and they had every other thing in that Immaculate Constellation
document that they lit it up, but Julie, I will

(01:52:16):
tell you this. You bring this to mind. So one
of the big updates is that along with you know,
Dan Sherman coming out, Jordan Jozac came out and he
was on Skywatcher's team. And I'm actually the person that
brought him out into the community. I had done an
interview with him last May after contact in the Desert,
and he was a child in a child program and

(01:52:39):
I investigated his whole history and his story and I
have like all the psychologists names and all the individuals
that were involved in his specific case. But you know,
he got recruited to Skywatcher right after he did that
interview with me on X so he worked with Skywatcher
as a psionic.

Speaker 6 (01:52:57):
He did appear on you know, a couple of.

Speaker 5 (01:53:01):
A couple of the interviews that they did in the
field trials that they showed, but he just came out
publicly and talked about being a kid in a program
and then working for Skywatcher, and that Jake Barbara also
was a kid and the Gate program. So I do
think that, especially with Skywatcher's exposure and their their whole

(01:53:22):
discovery framework, they include that in their business and in
their raw data of testing psionics. So I know that
Skywatcher talked about having relationships with Arrow potentially being connected
with Aero, So that would be one way that the
whole remote viewing program would be introduced into these government

(01:53:44):
more government run task force or projects or accountability frameworks.

Speaker 6 (01:53:51):
That's a good, good point to make, Courtney.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
It is unfortunately that time of the night where we
have to say good night to you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
It flew on.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Thank you very much for the latest update, and you
know you always have an open door anytime you want
to come into sor and give us an update. So
thank you very very much. Coming up next on spaced
Out Radio, swamp Weller will kick things off, then the
Wizard will come on in here for a couple of

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weird UFO anniversaries. Yes, spaced Out Radio is our threes. Next,
just spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:54:43):
Hey, thanks for having.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
No problem, no problem. What I want to do is
when I'm done the show, I'll give you a phone call.
You're going to be awake. Your MIC's on mute or

(01:55:08):
did I mute you? No, I didn't mute you. You're muted.
If you go over your little yeah, I'll call you
after the show. All right, figure out, I'll get all
the juicy stuff. All right, there goes Courtney. The Wizard
is next, and uh, I'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Don't go, don't go away, man, Please don't go, Please.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
Don't go.

Speaker 11 (01:56:36):
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married and has a very small child. They live in
a beautiful four bed, two bathroom house, but the only
downside is there is a trailer park basically in their
front yard. She and her husband had lived in their
home about a year when the incident occurred. Kelsey, my sister,
is absolutely gorgeous, blonde hair, tall, thin, and all around pleasant.

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She has had a stalker problem in the past, which
I'll ask if I can share it at a later time,
but this one experience beats all of them. She had
just put the baby down for a nap and needed
to get some work done in the yard, so she
grabbed the baby, monitor, locked the house, and proceeded to
go to the yard and do some waiting. She is

(02:03:33):
a very, very paranoid person, so she's always aware of
her surroundings. As she was tending to her garden, she
noticed something in the corner of her eye. That was
a man about two hundred feet away she just standing
in the middle of the trailer park, staring right at her.
She quickly turned back to her duties and rushed it off. However,

(02:03:55):
she did try to keep her in her peripherals. Her
a few minutes, she got a chilling feeling that he
moved closer as she suspected. He was now at the
stop sign, which was one hundred to one hundred and
twenty five feet away from her. She described him as
standing in the normal anatomical stance, feet shouldered, with the

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part palms facing forward or facing her the lank stare,
et cetera. Kelsey, pretending not to see him, carried on,
but this time moved the garbage bins to dispose of
the weeds. As she headed towards the bins, she kind
him moving closer to her. They both made eye contact,

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so she was one hundred percent sure that he saw
her and she wouldn't be able to play this one off.
At this point, she's eighty feet away from him. It's
a fifteen foot sprint to the house. Also realizing that
she has to unlock the doors well, which will give
him time to catch up to her. The moment she
begins to run, he spurns towards her. She made sure

(02:05:02):
that she had her key ready before she made her
mad dash for the house, so she got in and
about the time he was on the front porch As
soon as she slammed the door and locked it, he
turned away and trek back into the gloom trailer bark.
Kelsey called her husband, who then came rushing home, then
called the cops. The man described was never found. She

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even mentioned him getting a hair cot or trimming his beard,
but no one in the trailer park matched any of
their descriptions. Hopefully it won't happen again, but we're all
keeping our fingers crossed and that maybe he's too scared
to show his face again.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Oh thank you swamp Dweller for another creepy story. If
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Each and every night, it's time for the UFO Report.
Here's the Wizards. Well, the Wizard is back on spaced

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out radio. He forgot about the stupid, ridiculous daylight savings
time because you know, it took really smart people to
think that if you cut an hour off the bottom
and glew it to the top, that you would actually
get more daylight.

Speaker 7 (02:06:36):
Yeah. Well, and in what we've talked about before, I
think Arizona, aside from the Navajo Nation here doesn't observe
daylight savings time, and so my time stays the same,
but my relative time to everybody else changes, which is
you know, or somebody who's in their day job a

(02:06:58):
global consultant. It's rather annoying. So you know what I
will say about this is this the hold up.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
What a lot of people don't know is the hold
up on daylight savings time. Is California, British Columbia where
I live, along with Washington State and Oregon, have all
voted to get rid of daylight savings time. And unfortunately,

(02:07:30):
because most of the business is done in trade or
whatever with California, California refuses to get rid of daylight
savings time. Therefore everybody else has to suffer on the
West coast. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (02:07:46):
I don't know if you know this or not, but
the US House, in I think it was two thy
and twenty two, the US House voted to end daylight
saving time. It would have been effective for the US
universally in twenty twenty five. This year was would have

(02:08:08):
been the effective date. It went to the Senate for
the Senate to vote on it and the next day
the Ukraine Russia war broke out, and now there were
bigger fish to fry, so to speak, and it disappeared
into the blank spaces of Congress.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
Yeah, we got to get rid of it. It's time
for it to go away, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:08:41):
And now we have a global economy and there really
is no downtime. There's no like like we said that,
there's really no I think, reason to keep it around anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
No, No, it's it's time to go away, and it's
time for it to be put to past year with
the rest of the farming equipment and the animals, because
you don't what the animals don't tell time.

Speaker 5 (02:09:08):
No.

Speaker 7 (02:09:09):
In fact, my dog when we were on when I
was in Kentucky and we were on, you know, we
observed you like savings time.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
My dog never observed.

Speaker 7 (02:09:20):
The time change. So he would always wake me up
to go outside and go to the bathroom or to
get fed, because in his mind it's feed.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Time, exactly, exactly. We had an interesting couple of anniversaries,
one pass and one coming up here. And Wednesday is
going to be a very special show for us because
it will be the fiftieth anniversary of the Travis Walton
abduction incident and Steve Pierce, who was a seventeen year

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old or eighteen year old I believe at that time
youngest member of the crew, will be on the show
to talk about the Travis Walton incident. He was here
a number of weeks ago, probably six eight weeks ago,
and he basically told his side of the story. But

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he wanted to come back on the fiftieth anniversary to
discuss this because he believes there's more that he has
to say. And he was a little bit nervous, you know,
on that first show because he doesn't do a lot
of interviews with it. But for some reason, he trusts
us and feels will give him a fair and balanced interview,
which made me feel pretty good. And we're going to

(02:10:37):
be doing that. But imagine that fifty years since the
Travis Walton incident.

Speaker 7 (02:10:43):
Man, Yeah, it's you know, for Travis, I would imagine
it's it's fifty years of probably feeling constant attack from
a lot of the UFO community because his story doesn't
track with what, you know, what they're willing to accept

(02:11:05):
or believe. So especially I would say even more since
Twitter and slash X came into existence and then read
it as well.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
Do you think, looking back on that story and the
controversies that have happened around that, because Travis and Mike
Rogers to a little bit lesser extent, cashed in on this, well,
the rest of the crew basically got nothing out of
it out of this story, do you think that the

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animosity doesn't so much revolve around what happened that day,
but revolves around what the aftermath was since then, with
the movies, the documentaries, the books, everything, and only basically
Travis and Mike Dodgers getting paid off on it.

Speaker 7 (02:12:02):
I mean, it could be for sure, and I've often
wondered if if it's that, if it's the the missed opportunities,
let's say, that have driven some of the other individuals
too recently come out and make statements that are contradictory

(02:12:24):
to what, you know, to what was originally stated when
the when the incident occurred, you know, in an effort
to try to basically, you know, drum up controversy towards
you know, the sell of another of one of their books,
or whatever the case may be. You know, I think

(02:12:44):
that there's a there's a really bad and negative thing
that gets associated to people who have h for lack
of a better word, extraordinary experiences. And that is, if
the person has an extraordinary experience and they seek to

(02:13:06):
monetize it in any way, shape or form, whether it's
just getting paid to speak on the topic for some reason,
everybody then suddenly discounts their story. But you know why
is that? Why? Why is someone not allowed to earn

(02:13:29):
any type of financial benefit from people who are willing
to pay it to hear more about their story or
to have it made into a movie or whatever the
case would be. Like, what is the hypocrisy there? Because
you know, any one of us if somebody approached us
and said, hey, we want to turn your story into

(02:13:50):
a movie, I guarantee you everybody listening would jump at
the chance to make some money off of that exchange.
But you know, when we see other people do it,
it's like we somehow diminish their experience in some way.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
I would agree with you on that, and you know
that opens up a whole different can of worms, because
I think people should be able to make money. Okay,
it's weird how people can justify a movie star making
twenty million a film, but they can't justify a YouTube

(02:14:32):
channel making one hundred bucks a month or one thousand
dollars a month off of YouTube programming or TikTok or
whatever it may be. It amazes me how that happens.
And I don't agree with it.

Speaker 7 (02:14:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
I think if you love something and you have a
and you figured out a way that you can hon
atize the field that you love, go for it.

Speaker 7 (02:15:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
Right. I love my daytime job. Guess what I get
paid to do my daytime job. I love this radio show.
I get paid not much. You know, if I didn't
have my daytime job, I definitely would be forced to
eat macaroni and cheese. Okay, if I was lucky, Okay,

(02:15:27):
it would definitely be.

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
A lot thinner because it wouldn't eat as much.

Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
But either way, I love this show, and when I
make of this show, I'm very thankful for right, And
and I just don't understand that that logic of it's
not good to make money. But that being said, in
an incident like the Travis Walton incident, okay, where there

(02:15:53):
were seven people in that truck, not six like the
movie said, there were seven, and for five out of
the seven who really didn't get their just desserts or
their story told. I could see where there would be

(02:16:14):
a little bit of jealousy and maybe even a little
animosity over it.

Speaker 7 (02:16:19):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm a little mixed
on this because the vast majority of the Travis Walton incident,
what we'll call it ninety involves Travis Walton. The other
ten percent are the accounts from the other members or

(02:16:44):
for the other individuals in the truck, But their accounts
really just helped to substantiate parts of Travis's account of
what occurred. Right, So you know, it's kind of like, uh,

(02:17:04):
and this is maybe not quite the right analogy, but
let's say that you're in a somebody you know is
in a car accident, and two pedestrians were walking by
and they witnessed the accident and they gave testimony to
the to the police, and the person you were an

(02:17:26):
accident with was I don't know, driving drunk or something,
and so you sue them and the insurance company settles.
Should you then need to pay the two witnesses that
help corroborate your story? Call?

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
Good call. There's definitely a lot of a lot of
intriguing thought into that.

Speaker 7 (02:17:52):
So I mean, you know, the two witnesses. If they
also then want to try to do something and try
to sue money, that's up to them, right, But they
have to put in the work in order to do that.
And so if the other you know, six guys, seven
guys that were involved, they wanted to make something of it,

(02:18:15):
they need to put in the work to make something
of it. And if they chose not to do that
in the time, in the moment, and they lost that opportunity,
all they really have to be mad or disgaruntled about
is that they didn't jump on the opportunity when it

(02:18:35):
presented itself.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Well, I think it impacted everybody differently too, because when
Travis was taken for those five days, Let's remember, these
guys were accused of murder, They went through light detector tests,
and as much as they were telling the truth on
what happened, nobody wanted to hear their story. Nobody wanted

(02:18:59):
to believe them, and a lot of them in that
crew turned to drugs and alcohol to escape the reality
of what happened. And I think we forget the emotional
factor of everything that happened on that instant.

Speaker 7 (02:19:16):
Yeah, I don't. I don't mean to diminish you know,
everything that they that they went through in those five
days that Travis was missing. All I'm all I'm trying
to say is that don't be mad at Travis because
he did something with it. You know, if if if

(02:19:38):
there's a there's probably a different side of the coin
type documentary to be made about, you know, all of
the other stuff while Travis was missing. If it's I
don't I don't think I've ever seen that side of
the story told. But you know, you've got to take

(02:20:00):
the initiative. You've got to You've got to write that
into a book. If you're not a good writer, get
a ghostwriter. I mean, now with Ai, there's there's no
reason why you can't write a book. But I mean,
you know, tell that side of the story.

Speaker 1 (02:20:16):
No, And I would agree with you on that, you know,
And I don't know if it's too little, too late.
I don't know if it's if it would even matter
at this point, since I believe more than half the
crew has passed away now, you know, And I think
it's just a matter of trying to you know, kind

(02:20:40):
of know, like I know Steve, when we interviewed Steve Pierce,
who will interview in a couple of nights time here
on it. He was telling us he didn't even see
the movie until years after it came out. He didn't
even know it was out because he he totally took
himself right out of the out of the uh, the

(02:21:00):
realm of UFOs and aliens.

Speaker 4 (02:21:03):
You wanted nothing to do with it.

Speaker 7 (02:21:04):
Yeah, I mean I can definitely see that side of
it too, right, you know it it burned him and
that was the community in the seventies. I can't I mean,
I couldn't even imagine the community you know these days.
You know, my biggest advice with him would be, you know,
don't read the comments on anything that gets posted online,

(02:21:25):
because people are not nice, especially you know, in the
anonymity of online you know, posts and things.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:21:38):
I think what also is really interesting and it may
be worth exploring along with you know, what happened the
Five Days is kind of you know, the whole the
whole aspect of the emotional toll that it takes on
somebody who is an experiencer. You know, most of the

(02:22:02):
people that I've talked to who are experiencers, after they've
processed through their experience. Most tend to look at it
either in a neutral light or potentially a positive light.
Some still look at it in a negative way, But
it takes a long time for people to process through

(02:22:26):
what it means to be an experiencer, what it means
like for them personally, and then also what it means
for kind of the nature of reality. And I think
that's an area that we don't really spend a lot
of time as a uf as a community acknowledging is
the emotional toll that it takes, you know, being rejected

(02:22:47):
potentially by family and friends, and it's I think it's
always been a part of the UFO experience or condition
to kind of, you know, be initially rejected by anybody
who hear's your tale. You know, whether you you know,

(02:23:08):
believe one hundred percent that it occurred, or you're still
questioning whether it occurred. You tried to, you know, you know,
talk to your friends and family about it and are
immediately rejected. You're ridiculed in the public. Even now, as
open as the topic is, there are still people who

(02:23:29):
are reluctant to talk about their experiences in an open
setting because of the emotional trauma that comes along with it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
I just hope that, you know, and maybe it's a
little bit too late and too long. I would just
hope that these guys could get along because this has
divided a lot of people and divided many people within
the still flake Arizona community. And there are still people
to this day who think that it was all made up,
that it was never reality.

Speaker 7 (02:24:02):
Well, and and you know those those people are They
seem to all congregate on x and Reddit, but they
until they have their own experience, there's nothing they're going
to see or hear or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:24:18):
It's gonna make. The little Josh Rutledge and the Wizard
continue the UFO report right after this is spaced.

Speaker 3 (02:24:24):
Out radio and your host's name stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
All right, here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 7 (02:24:51):
So I'm supposed to get up at uh at five
in the morning and wake my wife up so we
can go to the gym or I have to get
my kids up to go to school. We're going to
try to get healthy. But that was before I remembered
pay like saving stuff. So I'm not gonna get to
bed into like one or one thirty. I don't know
if I'm gonna say, well, turn around and get up

(02:25:12):
in three and a half hours and go to the gym.

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
So well, you know what that's Uh, that's up to you,
my friend.

Speaker 7 (02:25:25):
I know that that's an adulting problem, Dave, you got
that right, And it's like an older adulting problem.

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:25:34):
Maybe I'll get.

Speaker 7 (02:25:35):
Her up and she can go to the gym and
then and then I'll go at like you know, nine
o'clock in the morning or something, right, that would work.
You know. I've tried over the years to buy gym equipment,
you know, with the whole idea of you know, if
it's in my house, I'm more.

Speaker 4 (02:25:53):
Likely to use it. No, that's not the case.

Speaker 7 (02:25:56):
That doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
I bought a yah and elliptical for that and became
a coat racked, didn't it. It's not a coat rack,
but it has been a leaner of of mops and brooms. Yeah,

(02:26:21):
I find I'm more motivated to work out in a
gym than i am. Yeah at home.

Speaker 7 (02:26:28):
Yeah, there's something about like just getting out the door
makes it easier. I saw a thing that said that,
like one of the things we struggle with is folding clothes.
You know, we wash them, dry them, and then we forget.
We forget to fold them. And so I saw a

(02:26:50):
thing that said, you know, tell your brain you can
fold one shirt, and then fold one shirt, and more
than likely, the you know, the the thing of what
it's all or nothing is gonna kick in and you're
gonna end up folding all the laundry just because you
told yourself you could fold one shirt. So if I
tell myself, I can get out the door, that's the

(02:27:10):
first step, and then once I get to the gym,
I can do all the things.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
So, yeah, I struggle with socks.

Speaker 7 (02:27:23):
Oh yeah, we have like baskets of mismatched socks. I
mean some of them, Dave, are like small and tiny
from when my kids were little babies. And how old
are they now they're eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:27:39):
You might want to throw those socks out. I have
a problem in my house where my son's feet have
grown almost two inches in the last eight months. Yeah,
and I caught him the other day and again today

(02:27:59):
wearing my socks. Oh yeah, And I'm like, dude, those
are mine. He's like yeah, but they fit and they're comfortable.
I'm like, so you're stealing my socks. She goes yep.
I'm like, come on, yep.

Speaker 7 (02:28:15):
One of my daughters is tall. She's already almost five
to four at eleven, and she wears a size ten
women shoe and so she wears my socks. So yeah, yeah,

(02:28:37):
the other one, you know, I've got twins. The other
one is is short, barely like you know, five or
four four four six. So it's like the movie Twins
with Arnold Torchenegger and oh my, so yeah, do.

Speaker 1 (02:28:52):
Your daughters have that twin thing going on? You got
two daughters, right, Do they have that twin thing going
on with their their brain.

Speaker 7 (02:29:01):
A little bit? It's really funny. They they're bored out
of their minds if the other one's not there. But
when the other one is there, all they do is
just sit in the same room together and don't interact
unless they're fighting.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
So bad cop pro tip. Hang all shirts on hangers,
full jeans in thirds. I put everything on a hanger.
I put every all my pants, my jeans, my dress slacks,
everything is on a hanger. My t shirts, my dress shirts.

(02:29:39):
The only thing I use a drawer for is my shorts,
my underwear, and my socks.

Speaker 4 (02:29:45):
That's it. Well at my pajama bottoms.

Speaker 7 (02:29:48):
I've got a bunch of dress shirts from when I
used to have to go in the office. I haven't
worn them in probably five years. They just hang in
my closet just in case.

Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
One second. We're going to come back here in five seconds.
Thank you to Shaqville, Walter Pam and Area fifty four
for the super chats. Here we go with the final

(02:30:32):
half hour of spaced Out Radio tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:30:34):

Speaker 1 (02:30:37):
Our guest, the UFO Wizard, Josh Rutledge. I'm not a
fan of daylight savings time right now, not at all,
but none of us are. Nobody likes daylight savings time.
Keep it one time, that's it. Just keep it where
it is, okay, keep the brightness in the afternoon, not
in the morning. Can we just get back to normal?

(02:31:01):
All right? Daylight savings time, that's good. Let's get rid
of standard time. Let's just do it. If you want
to catch any of our archives, you can on YouTube
or any major podcast network.

Speaker 4 (02:31:17):
Guess what, Josh, guess what?

Speaker 1 (02:31:20):
My archives are always free, Wow, always free. You pay
for so much in this world. Guess what. You can
listen to our show for free. Website spaced Outradio dot com.
We got a lot of cool stuff there, including shopping
at our spaced out radio store. We do not have
ugly swag. No ugly swag, so check it on out.

(02:31:42):
We're all over social media. And now we bring in
the Wizard. Another anniversary or do you want to continue
with Travis Walton?

Speaker 7 (02:31:51):
I think we I think we've covered that one quite
a bit.

Speaker 1 (02:31:54):
All right, another anniversary here. If you haven't heard about it,
if you don't know who Frederick Valentine is, it's somebody
in the UFO world. This story is incredible. Do you
want me to read it, Josh, or you want to
go for it.

Speaker 7 (02:32:12):
I can take it. You take it man.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (02:32:16):
So this guy is This happened in October twenty first,
nineteen seventy eight. He was an amateur pilot. He had
tried out to be a part of the Royal Australian
Air Force a couple of times, but had been rejected
due to educational qualifications. But at twenty years old, he

(02:32:43):
had about one hundred and fifty hours of flying experience
and he held a Class four instrument rating, which is
a permitted night flight under visible meteorological conditions. Okay, so
he's flying out to King Isle in Australia, right, off
the coast of Melbourne there and he radios in on

(02:33:09):
the evening of Saturday twenty first October nineteen seventy eight,
and he says, hey, I've got a strange light over
top of me. And this happened at nineteen oh six,
so seven o six pm Australian Eastern Standard time. There

(02:33:29):
it is again day of the standard time. And he
said he thought there was another aircraft above him at
about forty five hundred feet, but none was shown on radar.
He described the lights and said the object was orbiting
above him, and eventually said it is not an aircraft.

(02:33:52):
The final transmission was included a metallic scraping often described
was a weird noise before the contact was lost. A
search and rescue operation was launched and almost immediately, but
no trace of the aircraft or valentage was definitively found.

(02:34:14):
An official investigation by the Australian Department of Transport concluded
the cause was undetermined, though they presumed the flight ended fatally.
In nineteen eighty three, a piece of aircraft a cawing flap,
washed ashore on Flinders Island, which was identified as belonging

(02:34:35):
to Assessina one two of a serial number range that
included Valenticia's plane, yet it still did not definitively prove
that it was his plane. So this is one of,
like you said, an old case, one of the bigger
cases an Australian lore for a UFO disappearance.

Speaker 1 (02:35:04):
I tend to want to believe this story. I do.
I really want to believe this story, not for the
tragedy of this young man, Okay, who just wanted to
be a pilot. That was his whole goal in life
was to be a pilot. But there is something really

(02:35:26):
strange the fact that it's one of two things he
saw what he saw and was reporting it in or
he didn't see what he saw, upset that he had
been rejected by the RAAF the Royal Australian Air Force
a pair of times, and decided, well, if I can't

(02:35:49):
fly for them, I'm not going to fly for anybody.
So I'm going to go out the way I want.
But the problem with that theory is when they were
looking for him at the coordinates where he went silent
at that point, there was no debris in any other
water or on the ground surrounding the area. Nothing had

(02:36:15):
washed up on shore, for years years, Like you just
mentioned that there could have been a possibility, So the
question is what happened.

Speaker 7 (02:36:28):
Well, and you know the type of cessena plane that
he was in. My dad used to fly those. I
remember as a kid going up in them, and they're
not very big. They're like, you know, at most a
five seater. Mostly the ones my dad flew around were
like three seaters though to in the front, one of
the back, and all the fuel is held in the

(02:36:52):
wings of the craft, and so if you have to
ditch it in the water, typically there's a little bit
of buoyancy I think, uh, and the at least the
wings which are above the fuselage. But still you would
think it would have floated for a while, you know,
if they were searching. So the other the other possibility

(02:37:13):
is is that it did crash and it was so
far away from its last known reporting point that they
were looking in the wrong place.

Speaker 1 (02:37:25):
Could be say, the same thing for flight and made
three seventy yep.

Speaker 7 (02:37:31):
And really the same thing for you know a million
Airhart who also went missing in the kind of the
similar vicinity.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
I just want to believe it's aliens, I do.

Speaker 7 (02:37:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it'd be great if it
was the close encounters of the third kind situation and
all of a sudden, you know, the plane showed up
and the pilots were brought back and all that kind
of stuff. But but yeah, I mean, it's one of
those situations where we will probably never really know the answer.

Speaker 4 (02:38:03):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:38:03):
We we can have people can remote view of the situation,
and we can have channelers talk about it, and we
can do dowsand sessions and pendulum things and get all
kinds of answers and information, but but we'll never truly
know what happened.

Speaker 4 (02:38:21):
Do you think it was the UFL.

Speaker 7 (02:38:24):
It's possible. I don't know what else he you know,
if there was no airplane on radar. You know, some
of the skeptical positions is that, you know, he miss
interpreted like his own lights reflecting off of the clouds,

(02:38:45):
or he misinterpreted stars or planets. But no one would
misinterpret stars and planets and think that's another plane three
thousand feet above me and call that in right. And
now you know, the only the only part of me
that questions even that statement that I just made is

(02:39:07):
the fact that he was rejected from the r AF
for educational issues, and so maybe he would have, you know,
questioned if he saw bright planets or stars as being
something other than But I mean, he had one hundred
and fifty flying hours and he had a license that

(02:39:31):
approved him for flying at night, which means he had
to have shown that he was capable of flying at night.
He had to have known what was in the night sky.
So there's just it's just so.

Speaker 1 (02:39:44):
Odd.

Speaker 7 (02:39:45):
Do I think it was a UFO in the truest
sense of the word, that it was an unidentified flying
object to interact with him?

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:39:53):
Do I think it was an alien craft? Which is
probably more like what you're asking me. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:40:01):
I want it to be, man, I do you know
there are certain ones that I want.

Speaker 4 (02:40:06):
This is one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:40:08):
This is definitely one of them that I would I
want to believe the original narrative because of the recorded
tape of his voice describing it. And I think for
a lot of the skeptics out there, what they don't
understand is there is a very strict radio protocol when
you are a pilot. You cannot play games in those

(02:40:32):
situations because control tower has to know every move you
are making, where you're going, what's your destination, how long
are you going to be in the air, how's your
fuel situation? Is there anybody or anything around you? Okay,
they want to know they're in constant communication with their pilots.

(02:40:54):
So it's it is a little bit ridiculous at time
when we get these situations from these armchair quarterbacks who
are sitting here saying, Josh that, oh, there's no way
it could have been a UFO. It had to be
reflection on a cloud or venus or whatever it may be. Now,

(02:41:15):
I'm not saying that pilots can't get a little, you know,
mixed up. Yeah, Okay, they are human after all, But
there is a protocol to the radio. And I think,
especially with that scraping sound that came right after it,
that was kind of odd.

Speaker 7 (02:41:38):
Well, so let me float a potential alternative scenario. What
if he flew into a portal and the scraping sound
was electromagnetic feedback on the radio from the portal that

(02:42:00):
he flew into.

Speaker 1 (02:42:04):
Yeah, could have.

Speaker 7 (02:42:05):
Been, Because I do think, I do think that there
are portals all over the planet and they open and close,
sometimes randomly, sometimes on purpose, and I do think things
can temporarily pass into those portals, And if you pass
through a portal that takes you somewhere else and you

(02:42:27):
don't know how to reopen it or how to get
back to where you were, then you're missing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:42:33):
I wonder if a lot of the missing fourtal one
stuff is just people wandering into portals because and then
they don't know how to get back.

Speaker 1 (02:42:41):
I agree with you there. I agree with you there.
We have eight and a half minutes to go before
we have to say good night to you. What else
do you got for us tonight? I got a couple
of things. So Stephen Greer did an interview with Gaya.

Speaker 7 (02:43:00):
Days ago, and he he he said that Alvi Lobe
is a sciop and that he they are using him
to push the threat narrative with three I Atlas. I
don't know how much I agree with that, because I

(02:43:22):
have not heard from AV anything that ties to the
threat narrative that we've heard with all like all the
UAP stuff. Yeah, I think AVI is just saying, basically,
because we don't know what it is, you can't roll
out you know, intelligent alien tech.

Speaker 1 (02:43:45):
But yeah, what are your thoughts? I would one agree
with you? I think at times Stephen Greer says some
very grandiose comments about people who are getting into his popularity.
In eating up his popularity, he wants to be a

(02:44:06):
one man show in this field. He doesn't want anybody
else talking disclosure but him. He wants it so bad
he can taste it. Okay, Now, I'm not saying the
guy isn't connected. I'm not saying the guy isn't isn't

(02:44:27):
being given proper information. I don't know. I can't. I
can't say anything about that, but it seems like every
I think Avi Lobe, the Stanford astrophysicis part of me,
the Harvard astrophysicist. He's he literally said it's likely another
comet or asteroid, but we can't rule it out.

Speaker 7 (02:44:49):
Yep, that's all he wants. That's all he is. We
can't rule it out to just say yeah, we can't
rule it out. You know, it's all he wants.

Speaker 1 (02:44:59):
So I'm not sure where that becomes automatically a psyops option.

Speaker 7 (02:45:05):
Like you said, I that was the feeling that I
got as well, is that everybody's talking about Abby and
three Eye Atlas and Greer is losing some of his limelight,
and so you know, he went into attack mode. Yeah.
Also on the topic of three eye atlas, it is

(02:45:29):
coming out of the other side of our you know,
other side. It's coming from around the Sun, and it
is showing non gravitational acceleration. Now, this can also happen
with like you know, basically the dust plume that occurs
when things gets close to the Sun and release a

(02:45:51):
lot of gas and things that release of gas can
can cause it to push or accelerate. But before it
behind the Sun, what science had said, even non avvi
lobe science people had said, Hey, if it comes out
from the other side of the Sun and we see
non gravitational acceleration, that might be an indication that it's

(02:46:14):
not anything we've seen before. And that's what we're seeing
is non gravitational acceleration. Now, it's not in a point
yet where we can get a picture of it with
all of our tech that we have, but maybe that
leads to, you know, gives obvious thing a little more credibility.

Speaker 4 (02:46:36):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 7 (02:46:39):
So I would say that I am fifty to fifty
split on two things. One is it's just a comet.
It's a comet that's made up of stuff somewhere from
somewhere in our galaxy that that we've not encountered yet,

(02:46:59):
and so it is behaving differently than what we've been
exposed to thus far. The other fifty percent is I did.
I've done actually three different dowsing sessions now with a
different different groups of people, and in each one, three
I Atlas has come up as a topic, and in
all three sessions the information that was provided was the

(02:47:22):
same that it is. It is itself a living entity
and it is just passing through. If you want to
thank space Whale in the Star Wars, you know, universe,
That's kind of what the message was. So you getting

(02:47:44):
you're there for a second.

Speaker 1 (02:47:46):
Talking about the threat narrative, Okay, I have been a
very much an anti threat narrative guy since it started
coming out with the To the Stars Academy, which we
just celebrated their seven thanniverse or eighth anniversary. I've never
been a proponent of the threat narrative. I've told our

(02:48:06):
audience over the years to be careful of buying into it.
H But you have to pick and choose. You know,
who are you going after if you want to come,
If you're doctor Stephen Greer and you want to go
after the government saying they're using this threat narrative to
create budgets. Go for it. You can say that because

(02:48:30):
that's true. But when you start accusing people of being
psyops because they mention it and they're a syop towards
a threat narrative, Avi Lob has never said anything threatening.

Speaker 7 (02:48:43):
No, now he's he's nothing that Abby has ever said
could be any way, shape or form linked to you know,
this whole false flag activity that that Gheer, you know,
because for Greer, it's not just a threat negative, it's
the threat or the threat oh my goodness, the threat

(02:49:06):
you know story, it's that it's a threat story leading
to a false flag event. Yes, but Abby has never
said anything. None of his interviews, is his medium, articles
that he's written, his papers, none of it talks about
a potential threat to the to the world at all.

(02:49:31):
So all, like I said, all he wants is for
people to consider the possibility that it could be alien tech,
simply because we don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:49:42):
And quickly, here we got just over two minutes your
next thought that you had for the tonight's report.

Speaker 7 (02:49:49):
Uh, so I've got a message, I've got some stuff
here I pulled from u X and it's been verified.
At the Soul Symposium, Jake Barber was there and we
talked about it. A couple of weeks back. The Skywatcher
kind of went silent. You know, they haven't released any
new information lately. Apparently at the Soul Symposium, Jake said

(02:50:11):
that their fully open approach to UAP research backfired amid
government secrecy, and now in Level three, focused on data
analysis and independent review, he says results should drop by
year's end, and hinted their work may have sparked the

(02:50:32):
Palmdale UFO flap.

Speaker 1 (02:50:34):
Oh goodness, here we go.

Speaker 4 (02:50:41):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:50:45):
So now they're making claims that they like Stephen Greer,
caused the Phoenix lights.

Speaker 7 (02:50:52):
Yeah. I mean, I guess that what they're saying, right
is because they're operating in Palmdale, they're doing the psionics activities,
that must be why the UAP flap is occurring. It's rather,
I don't know, egotistical, I think to make that statement,

(02:51:13):
especially especially not having released any data to support your claim.
That's my biggest complaint with Greer, or that he says
he's done all these things and interviewed and briefed all
these presidents. But he's not actually ever provided any any
evidence to support that case.

Speaker 1 (02:51:29):
Or to blame the public because you were trying to
bring it out to them and you failed at it.
You didn't bring anything out to the public.

Speaker 7 (02:51:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know one thing I do like,
I do like the Skywatcher brought to the table is
a universal classification system, because I do think that was missing.
You know, class got things with or restored whatever. Well,
I'm glad they brought that in us.

Speaker 4 (02:52:00):
Thank you very much for the UFO report. As we
say hello to mister Ron.

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