Nov. 4/25 - The Excperiences with Christian MacLeod

Christian MacLeod, cryptidguy.com , comes in for his monthly special to discuss the mysteries of 'triangles. The Bermuda Triangle, the Alaskan Triangle, and the Bridgewater Triangle. We also take a look and some of the more interesting conspiracies surrounding UFOs, Cryptids and Ghosts.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio. Tonight. My name is Dave Scott. Christian McLeod,
the Cryptid Guy is here. We're gonna chat with him
just to see what's happening in the land of monsters
and legends. We're gonna have him momentarily. We are in
our role call right now on YouTube and literally we're

(00:26):
caught up, like we're never caught up at this time,
but we're caught up. Yeah. Yeah, So I don't know,
what do you want to talk about before the show?
I don't know. We're gonna have fun talking all sorts
of monsters and creepy stories, everything that kind of goes
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(01:08):
Con dot com, Cariboo Dott Caribou Con dot com. Hit
your tickets for the Cariboo Con next year. Horns up.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Through to roll her?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
He's here, The choe is ready.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Useless, Let's boint our.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Eyes tools so you can come in. Knicks went together,
my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
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Speaker 1 (02:00):
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Charities today. You can find them on our website. We
have an awesome show plan for you tonight. Monthly contributor
Christian McLeod, the man, the myth, and the legend all
rolled into one, coming on for a little monster talk

(03:11):
that he does each and every month. He's gonna stick
with us right through our number three because Robin Haynes
is ill tonight so she cannot make it. So she's like,
can Christian bail me out here? And I'm like, yeah,
we could figure that one out, poor thing. We love
Robin around here. So let's get to it. Let's learn
about the Cryptid Gee. If we call him by the

(03:34):
French side of things, cryptid Ghe Christian McLeod, known to
his fans as the Cryptid Gee, is one of North
America's most dedicated field investigators, a bigfoot, dog man and
the other mysterious creatures said to roam the shadows of
our wilderness. With years of on the ground research and
countless encounters in the field, Christian combines science, folklore, and

(03:58):
technology to explore the boundaries between myth and reality. His
investigations pull viewers deep into the forest and swamps where
legends live, bringing a mix of adventure analysis and storytelling
that captivates believers and skeptics alike. If you want his website,
it is cryptidguy dot com, cryptidguy dot com. Let's bring

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him on in there. He is the men, the myth
and the legend. Christian McLeod, It's always good to see
you on spaced out Radio.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Look at that picture, brother, Well.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Our radio audience can't see this beautiful picture that I
took of you at the Nebraska Bigfoot Conference earlier this year,
and it is gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous, and I think we should.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Have posters made and just say space out Radio.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, what I'm going to do because we have some
a little bit of breaking news here. As of tomorrow,
Caribou Con dot com that's see are Ibato, Caribou con
Con caribou Con dot com will go live and we

(05:09):
will be selling tickets. Well, the the event will be
not we here, it's spaced out Radio, but the event
will be selling tickets for September eighteenth through twentieth here
in one hundred eight mile Ranch, British Columbia, and VIP
tickets go on sale. There is only fifty of them.
That's it, fifty and the other breaking news that we

(05:32):
have is you are going to be one of the
presenters at a very forward to it.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I think Christina and I are gonna fly up there,
even if I have to get on the poll, you know,
start earning some more.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Money, get some ticket money. But we're going to go up.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
There, and we're just looking. We're thrilled about it. That's
all we've been talking about all day.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Actually, So I can't wait. Yes, boss can't wait.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Is introduce Christina because a lot of times people listening
will hear her voice, but they won't know who she is, and.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
She is better half Christina. We's called Christina the brain
in high school. She's a cheat off me and geometry
on the way around.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
To Well, we're glad both here here and I am
very much looking forward to it. And it's funny how
that happened because we were I wasn't even thinking about
you know, we're trying to keep it more local, to
keep costs down this year for the first every event,
and we got some great people coming in. The Ladies
from the behind the Haunting television show will be there.

(06:33):
Grant Cameron is going to be there. Our friend Merle
is going to be there, Samantha Moowett. Yeah, Merle and
you had said, hey, man, what's your schedule like for
next year? And I said, well, I've I'm going back
to Nebraska. I got our spaced out Radio Vegas event
in May, and then we got the Cariboo.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
That's something we've been talking about that I think we
need to hit that too.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
So then I was like, way, well do you you
can speak at my event? And I said, but you know,
you got to make your way up here. And You're like, oh, yeah,
I'm coming, I'm common Are you gonna be there? It
wasn't even a question.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
M So it's it's just done. It's done.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, I think it's absolutely great. You know that you
will come in here, you will speak of monsters and
legends and and everything about it. How much do you
like speaking in front of people at these conferences?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, David.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Truth is, I've never really thought about because you do
the tours and just like you, you know, I do
the tours, uh, and you just you don't think about it.
But I probably speak to five six thousand people a
year more maybe more, and so I love doing it.
It's uh, you know, it's one of those things. I
just I really enjoy it because I love when I

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love the subject matter, I love the audience, and you know,
I just I love spreading.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Information because we work hard. We do a lot of research.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Everything we say is you know, we we don't emphasize
anything that's not true. We we are firm believers that
if you don't believe what we're saying, go google it
and look for yourself.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
But we just we just try.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
To give you the most amount of evidence in the
funnest possible way. And that's something I know as you
do too. And then I think that's one of the
reasons why you know we get along so well, is
just because you've got the same kind of mindset I
have when it comes to that. You know, it's important
you have to do boots on the ground research. You
have to otherwise, you know, you're just staring at a

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computer all day. So I'm just a firm believer that
if you enjoy what you do, you know, it's not
really hard work.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
And that's that's kind of the way I look at it.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I've been on stage with you, I have I've heard
you speak twice. I got to sit on stage with you.
You know, and you know what, one of the things
that I would say about the way you present is
you were you were very inviting to the audience. So

(09:08):
many speakers when you go to these conferences, and it's
not to put anybody down for some people, they they
are just nervous up there with with everybody watching them
and all their eyes on it. But it comes very
natural to you to speak in front of people to
get into detail. You're very eloquent, You're very stylish with

(09:29):
your words, handsome on stage. You know what I'm saying.
Why why is it such a comfort zone for you?

Speaker 5 (09:37):
You know, in real life, I'm a teacher, so I
guess that probably has something to do with it.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know, I teach.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
I teach K through twelve and I've taught college level,
so you know, I'm just comfortable up there dispensing information.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
But I like people to be involved.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
So that's why one of the things, you know, I
love Robin to death, But when when you para cons
with Robin, she's like always telling she goes, no, don't
run off the stage and start talking to people in
the audience, And so that's exactly what.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I'm going to do. So I tend to you know,
I try to bring people.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I always try to bring people in and get them involved,
and then you know, get them into the information and
get their opinion, because you know, I like to.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
I'm still one of the old school guys. I love PowerPoint.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
I don't know why I always did, but I love
doing a PowerPoint presentation because I like showing people, Okay,
here's what we have, you know, here's our evidence. Uh
and this is where we got it. Uh and and
this is what we're extrapolating out of it. What do
you think? You know, what, what are your thoughts? Because
maybe I'm not seeing something you are. Uh And and
I think that's I like to get the audience involved,

(10:42):
I mean, because what's the point of going someplace. You know,
I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been in
para cons or comic cons or not comic cons excuse me,
uh you know Bigfoot comic con or Bigfoot of cons conventions,
thank you baby conventions.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
And I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
People on stage and like they're they're most unapproachable and
then like they always have you ever notice how like
some people have that person by the stage so the
second they get off, that person's like right with.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Them and they kind of walk them out of there.
That drives me freaking nuts, Dave.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
I mean that that drives me nuts because it's like,
you know, in this thing we do, I don't think
anyone should feel like they're above anyone. You know, we're
all kind of doing the same thing. So when someone
calls themselves an expert in the field, and I know
I've said this million times, but anytime anyone calls themselves
an expert in the field, they're full of it.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
There might be people who have.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Been researching for years and they know a lot, but
there's no such thing as an expert in our field.
And when people, you know, try to, you know, take
that step above everyone else and say, oh, yeah, well
I'm an expert. Where'd you get your where'd you get
that doctorate from? Or where'd you get your expertise from?
I always like saying that kind of thing because anyone
can do what we do. We're just dedicated.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Also, as somebody who's heard both of you guys speak,
I love that both of you put some sense of
humor into it and make it fun for the where
a lot of people are just very dry and get.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Up there and you know, either read their.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Stuff or say something that they obviously they've memorized and
are unapproachable.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
You guys make it fun.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, it's hard not to, you know, when you know
you're there to entertain, you know, I mean, how many Christians?
How many times have you've been at a conference and
there's always the grumpy old guy in the first three rows.
His arms are cross and he's nodding off.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
And he's knowing this, And then there's that that's not true,
that's not true.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Oh yeah, you can't prove that. It's like, well, can
you disprove it? I don't have to, you know, I
love that because that's the kind of person I want to.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
I want to focus on that person and then just
I don't have to change your mind. I just wanted
to experience things a little differently. You know, how about
the word maybe is it possible? This is true? But
has no place here?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Is it possible? You know this?

Speaker 5 (12:58):
This could happen? And I think that's why so many
people like kind of delving into the realm of the
paranormal in the crypted world is because you know, there's
so many things people say.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
It's impossible.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
It's impossible, but then you know, two years later they
find out it's totally probable. It's probably happened. You know,
I just saw this thing on TV. I'm stating on TV.
It was on one of those video shorts I do.
I like the science you know how to do the
science video shorts, and they just talk about the upcoming technology.
There's a pill now where you can stay underwater for
forty five minutes. Not me, man at superoxygen, Natsu your

(13:34):
hemoglobe and so your bloods oxygen. So it somehow does that,
but it's so you can stay underwater for forty five
minutes and don't have to worry about breathing. Now, who
would have thought that would have ever been something that's real?
You know, look at all these these these things that
happen in other countries, and the scientific labs apparently Japan
has found a way to stop aging. You know, they're

(13:55):
talking about nanobots and pets in three years and to
help your dog live longer.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I mean, it's all this.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Technology, So why can't we use like all these things
that happened to use that technology extrapolated and look at
you know, something that might be a little different like
the paranormal or UFOs or Bigfoot in the woods or
you know, cryptids. Like the topic we're gonna be talking
about the Bermuda Triangle and the.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Alaska Triangle tonight.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
That stuff is fascinating because when you look at it's
got a history of strange anomalies and no one's ever
really looked into it, and if they have looked into it,
we don't know about it because they don't discuss it.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
And there's always someone that writes a book.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
But you know, where's like the government intelligence on all
this stuff. You're telling me that the government didn't do
anything with the Bermuda Triangle, or they haven't studied that
or researched that, or the United States federal government hasn't
done anything with the Alaska Triangle. Twenty thousand missing people
and they're not doing anything about that just since the seventies.
Think about that, Dave, So, I mean, it's just there's

(14:55):
there's all this stuff that needs to be explored and
a lot of people just don't do it. And when
we do it, I think people seem like it's more
interesting because it's kind of like off the cup. It's like,
oh wait, I never think of that or you know,
it's just it's like a pair of science and then's
why it's the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I remember the first big conference I did, and it
was at UFO con in San Francisco, I think back
in like twenty eighteen, and Lorian Fenton took a chance
on me because she had listened to the show, she
liked the show, she had been a guest, and you know,
she's always looking for new speakers, and I said, well,

(15:34):
let me tell you my story. So she goes, go
come on my show. Immediately the minute we signed off,
She's like, you're speaking at my event. And I'm like, okay,
I guess so. I mean I'm still relatively green in
the field. And what I remember about that was after
my presentation. I was so nervous up there because literally

(15:55):
my hero and idol, Grant Cameron is watching me like
a hawk, okay, and I literally almost froze when I
saw him in the crowd. And now Grant is one
of my great friends, and I'm so blessed to have
them there. But what I remember is afterwards, because I

(16:15):
told everybody about my UFO and alien experiences and being
a journalist and how tough. It was to try and
balance telling the story without any bias. I got a
standing ovation at the end, and I'm standing on stage
and all these people are standing up and they're clapping
for me, and I didn't know what to do. I'm like,

(16:38):
do I do I acknowledge it? Do I not? Because
I mean, I'm just a dude, man, I mean that
crap doesn't happen to me, you know. And Grant Cameron.
So I'm looking for Grant because everybody's like standing and
I'm looking for Grant and I see him beline it

(16:58):
from his seat in the middle on the left, about
ten rows back. He blines it through the aisle, straight
down the aisle towards the stage where I am, and
he pulls me off the stage and he's like, where
have you been? And he goes, anything you ever need,
I'll help you with. And it was one of the

(17:21):
greatest moments of my professional paranormal career, was that moment there.
And I've been trying to find it ever since until
I met you. I knew i'd found it.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, that man right there.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yes, but thank you to Grant Cameron for that.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Well it's you know, but you see it's it's when
you tell me a story like that, that's just awesome because.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
You know your your hero kind of helped you out
with that.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
No, and that's that's the cool thing I you know,
And I was very lucky in the fact that when
I started to do things publicly, you know, came out
you know a little bit more of my research and stuff.
I kind of I had George Norrie and Tom dan
Heiser and Joshua P. Warren and I had all three
of them, uh, captive audience for several hours. And the

(18:13):
second you know, we were done talking, He's like, you
need to do you need to go on stage, you
need to explain the right book, you need to do
stuff as people you're you're He gave me the best,
one of the best confidences I ever got was, uh,
he told me I was I was relatable. You know
when you see some of these people on stage, especially
like the real pretty people, you know, like you know,

(18:34):
everything on them is perfect. The one hundred and forty
pounds you know.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know, I sat beside one on stage Nebraska.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
And yet it perfections with that is it's beautiful people,
that's you. But you know, I'm just a regular ordinary guy,
just like you. You know, I we sit down, we
you know, we eat bad lunch. We have a couple
of beers. Yeah, we talk about stuff. We've got families,
and so it's it's we're not approachable. I can't imagine

(19:02):
being unapproachable to someone. Like It's like when you come
off stage and people want to ask you questions. I
want to talk to every one of them, you know,
I want everyone if they have a question, I want
to be able to answer for them. And if I can't,
I'll find it out, or I'll give them my card
and I'll just you know, give my number.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I'm not why not. It's one of these things where
you know.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
If someone has taken the time to see me, like specifically,
and that doesn't happen. I'm usually I'm always part of
a crowd. No one's driving anywhere to see Christian McLoud.
It's usually a whole event. So if I'm lucky enough
to be in that event, the way I look at
it is I owe it to that person in the
audience to answer whatever I can for him and just

(19:43):
be as nice as a can't.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
There's nothing worse than a tool, you know, And someone.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Gets off stage and they don't want to talk to
one of their unapproachable or they act like they're better
than everyone else, and they just kind of walk away.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I'm not a rock star, you know, I'm just an
ordinary average guy.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
So if someone has a question for me, the least
I can do is just take the time out and
answer it. And I know you do the same thing
because I've seen you do it, So I mean, that's
just but I think that's what people like. They like
to be part of what we're doing by asking questions
and getting answers.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
And there's always Hey, I told you know, everyone's always
got a story.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Absolutely. What's your favorite story to tell? What's your favorite
story to tell?

Speaker 5 (20:23):
My favorite one now is when Christina and I did
a when did we do that UFO?

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh? That was last summer, two years ago. We did
two years ago.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
We did a UFO event and UH I had gotten
some information about Betty and Barney Hill that had never
been released and it was basically about the UH alphabet
agencies and what they had to do with it, and
there was actually quite a lot. And I was presenting
this information and there was a guy from.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
A TV show.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Let's just say ancient astronauts. I'm not gonna mentioning names,
but who was in the audience and I was just
presenting this material. His face just went like he was
in complete and total shock because he'd never seeing his stuff.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
And that was cool.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
But what really happened that was cool is I'm in
the middle of my presentation. This older woman stands up
and she goes, let me explain something. She goes, I'm
with the federal government, and she shows her idea and
she was she was with the federal government, and she goesaid,
I can't get my hands on this information, So where
did you get it?

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I got more street credit.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
Out of that.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Anything else.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
And it was just it was just cool because there's
about one hundred and fifty people in the room and
they're all looking at me like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well for our audience, what was that information?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
It was just it was just stuff about actually it
was about the KGB trying to infiltrate information on the
on the on the family Betty and Barney Hill, how
they actually really went the great lengths to get information.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
The CIA was involved, FBI, I mean.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
All this stuff, and they had denied having any anything
to do with it. And you know, there's all their
paperwork right there boom. So that was that was kind
of cool. That's kind of my favorite story because that
that kind of put us like we were the rock
stars for that day because but the lady was it
was a very weird conversation because she was an actual

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federal government agent and she and her partner been sitting
there taking notes and taking pictures of everyone.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And that does happen, my.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Friends, don't ever think when you go to a para
con or something like that, there's always someone in there
that's taking notes to see what is if anybody really
knows anything, And that does happen. But that was like
the first time we had had that kind of exposure
to the point where a government official stands up and
I kind of I was in that nice as.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
A little rude tour.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
We got ninety seconds to go before we have to
go to break at the bottom of the hour. Christian
McLeod is here tonight on spaced out Radio. Christian, you
know one of the I remember at UFO Con earlier
this year, there was a weird lady who came in
through the side door and people were kind of watching her.
She kind of looked like she needed help. Dressed in
all black. All of a sudden, she rips her hand

(23:15):
out of this lady's arm. Okay, the lady had a
hold of her, and pardon me, rips her arm away
from this lady runs down a hall that has no
doors and vanishes.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And of course I was in the bar when this happened.
But a bunch of people that I knew watched this
and watch it happen to take place, including former CIA
spoke John Ramirez, Science Bob and a couple others. She
literally just vanished. Nobody knows what the hell it was about.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Say, gu I didn't know. He had no clue, no clue.
That's that's what was scared. Woman in black. I like that.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
It was crazy how she just how she just vanished
into thin air down a hallway.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
That's nuts. Yeah, But you never know these two, Like
I said, man, I had known.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
You know, I've seen police officers and stuff like that,
a local stuff that were like obviously trying to be
undercovered and things like that, But I didn't really think that, like, uh,
real federal government agent types would actually be in these places.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And they are, that's true.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
They take notes man.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Hold on right there. Christian mccleoud his website cryptidguy dot
com if you want to check him on out. When
we return, we're going to get into some stories of
strangeness around the world. That's what he does each and
every time. Christian is here on spaced out Radio. He's mild,
he's booty, he's handsome, and he's a good storyteller. Cryptidguid

(24:56):
dot com.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
M M.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
All right, we're clear, ex excellent, excellent. I'm gonna print
out that picture and get you to autographic when you're here.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Not problem.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm even gonna get you. I'm even gonna get you
to autograph one for for Christina.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah, I'll get you. We'll have Christina do one.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Get one of my old head shots where I was blonde. Mmmm,
we could sell those.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Jeff Steve Garvey is here. He'll hit a home run
for you Jewels. Sometimes when I say hi to people,
they're in on X or Twitch as well. You don't
get to see them because they're not on YouTube, but
I get to see them on this end. Had a

(26:18):
big bowl full of chili today for dinner.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Nice yep, we had We went to McDonald's get some
chicken nuggets.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Have you ever eaten at a Canadian McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Eat it at a Canadian McDonald's, You'll never eat it
an American at McDonald's again.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
No, man, we might just move up there. Fresh air,
nice clean, living back.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Bacon.

Speaker 9 (26:51):
It's bacon, bacon, thanks man, it's bacon.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, and a big bowl of chili. Threw a bunch
of hot sauce in there. Yeah, seriously, the you know,
the burgers taste different.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
It's probably a better quality of meat. You guys are
a lot more stringent.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Any one of the rules that they have here is
that every restaurant must serve Grade A beef. So you
don't get that pink gell or whatever the hell.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
The pink sline. Yeah, I don't even know who does.
It's just done.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
I want to think about that, how they process pink sline.
That America lead anything, and that's that is a sad
state of affairs. Americans really anything we will I mean
they sell food here that they won't even selling. What
is it some of the cereal we get, something like

(28:08):
the corn flakes they I don't even think they won't.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
There's part of Europe that won't even sell corn flakes.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's because of that. It's like Raisin Brand used to
be so good until they they screwed with the flakes
and put like that hard crispy coating on the flakes.
Now it's horrible.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
I used to like frosted shred and wheat. That was
like always one of my favorites, and I cast them
any week. Yeah I can't find that.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Oh we got them up here. I got some upstairs.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
That's good stuff. Yeah, I always.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
My favorite still is uh lucky Charms. Love the Lucky.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Charms, honey nut cheerios. Love that.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Lucky charms with the literally stale marshmallows. Oh, nothing better
than them, stale marshmallows and the rainbow yep.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Stale, the rainbow colors in them. I don't know how
old those marshmallows really are. I still like them. Oh yeah,
it's hard not to.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
What's the host's name? My name is Dave. Yeah, but
you've been coming here for a while, Athena. I think you.
I thought you would know my name by now.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Are good? Yeah, we have coffee.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I got some of them upstairs too, like the cinnamon
toast crunch.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I agree with that. Mm hmm, Captain Crunch with crunchberries. Crunchberries.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I haven't had Captain Crunch in a long time.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
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Speaker 5 (31:57):
I was looking at the little messages up here, and I,
of course grape nuts must ever do like grape nuts.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
We'll talk about cereals earlier.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
So for our radio audience. During the break, we were
chatting with our YouTube audience about the best cereals out there.
Because I'm a lucky Charms kind of guy, and I'm
a cinnamon toast crunch kind of guy. I spent thirty
five plus years on raisin bran until they put that
gross wax coating on the on the brand part. I

(32:28):
haven't touched it since it's been about four years, five
years since I've had a bowl of raisin bran. Here's
my question to you, because I'm maybe I'm weird this way.
Do you have a special bowl that you eat cereal in?

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I do, man, I totally do. And the last time
I saw it, someone was giving water to the dog
out of it. No oh yeah, yeah, no gilt, no remorse.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Didn't care. I didn't no, I didn't care.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
My I watched my mother in law one time grab
go into the cupboard, grab my bowl and start putting
leftovers in it. And I looked at my partner and
I looked at her mom, looked at my partner, looked
at her mom, and I was like grinding my teeth

(33:26):
because I wanted to scream, that's my bowl, and she goes, muff.
Let's use a different container. Let's use it different. Let's
use something different here.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's not the same. It's befouled.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, but I had to wash it.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah but you got I mean, but even then, you
still know what happened to it.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Now, I'm I tell you, when I die, I'm being
buried with that.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Bowl that feels I've got at my lodge frying pan
with my grandfather's and it's it's been I think it's
got to be at least one hundred years old, but I
still it's my favorite pan.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
That's coming with me. I'm taking that with me. I'm
with you. That's like the only thing I need if
I go camping, I just bring that. I'll eat out
of it. I'll cocaine. I don't care. Way to go.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, you know what, let's get to some stories that
you have. What do you got for us tonight? That's
gonna weird us out?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well? Tonight, we want to talk about a couple of
cool places. Uh. And they end in a triangle.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
So we're gonna talk about the the I wanta say,
Golden Triangle. We're going to talk about, uh, the Alaska Triangle,
the Bermuta Triangle and uh you eat well the dragon yeah,
but the or the Asian you know, their version of
the Bermuda triangle and.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
What what baffles means?

Speaker 5 (34:45):
I've actually uh scuba dived several times in the Bermuda triangle. Uh,
and we had an incident uh where it was it
was just very weird. But when you look at all
the reports of all the things that have happened, and
it kind of follows a pattern. And we had the
same thing happened to us basically that Christopher Columbus had.

(35:06):
When you talk about all four of his voyages, you know,
everyone knows is fourteen ninety two, fourteen ninety three, and
then fourteen ninety eight and then fifteen oh two. But
every time they got to the Gerunda triangle they had
pretty much the same anomalies happened. At one point in
time they saw fireballs in the sky, Columbuses combis stopped working.
It just started spinning and spinning and spinning, spinning. He

(35:27):
couldn't get directions, and the men were acting a little
bit weird, and they never really figured out what had
happened there.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
But it was just an anomaly. He knew he was
going to have to go through.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
In fact, the last voyage he made, when the compass
went out, he wouldn't even tell He didn't even tell
the men about it. He just didn't want to freak
everyone out. But these are things that have been happening
for years. And when we start doing the research, I
started thinking about some of the times we had issues
in Bermina Triangle. For those who don't know, I used
to be a commercial diver and I used to do

(35:58):
a lot of salvage diving, and I did some treasure
hunting out on the coast of Florida for a few years,
and we were always with that part of Florida is
where people and when the people see the Bermuda Triangle,
you know it's it's Bermuda, Miami and then Puerto Rico.
So I've heard almost some people say it's five hundred

(36:19):
thousand square miles of sea. Some people say it's a
million miles of square miles of sea. But it's an
incredible amount of ocean. And the depths are very, very
strange because at some point you'll be at one hundred
feet and you're not too far off the coast of Miami,
but then it goes down to what is it twenty thousand,

(36:40):
nine thousand feet in the gulf of the Puerto Rican Trench.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
So it's it's, you know, part of the deepest parts
of the ocean.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
But when we were out there, we were looking up,
we were we were looking for Spanish gold from from
one of the seventeen to fifteen fleet and we had
done some research and we were looking at this one
particular area. Brand new boat, brand new dive boat. The
boat was gorgeous. I think it had twenty hours on
it at that point in time. It was just refinished.

(37:09):
I mean they just had everything painted, new engine, everything
just gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And we're out there and I go to set the anchor.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Because of Florida sometimes what you have to do because
the sand is so like, you have to set the anchor. Well,
when I went to set the anchor, you know, I
just splashed in and the water was so hypoxic that
the sodium started building up around my regulator the second
I got in the water. So by the time I
set the anchor and came up, there was actually a
salt ring around my mask and my octa and everything.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
And I thought that was weird enough for those of you.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Most people don't realize this hypoxic water. Most most people,
saturation point for sodium is about twenty one percent in
the ocean. So when you start going twenty one percent,
that means there's nothing in there but just it's hypoxic.
It goes beyond saturation point, so it's just nothing, but
it's basically salt as salt due to a human body.
When you're encompassed in it, you know, it sucks the

(38:04):
water out. It can it can actually kill you.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
And what will happen is you just all the all
the moisture in your body comes out and it's it's
it's it's actually it's an easy way to get the hydrated.
So when I came back on the deck after putting
the anchor down, when I came out, I mean I
had to wash out my rag because the assault in it.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
And I knew that was gonna be a problem.

Speaker 8 (38:24):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
So you know, we were hydrating, telling everyone, okay, make
sure you stay hydrated. And we were in for a
little bit and uh, something happened on the boat. There
was an issue. The radio just stopped working. And when
that happened, you know, we just we all came up
and uh we decided we were going to go back.
And I remember looking at the captain and he's sitting

(38:46):
there and he's trying to turn dignission.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
No turn. Uh the radio is completely dead.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
And all of a sudden, I'm looking at the ball
compass and all just doing is this spinning.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
It's just spinning.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
And there was absolutely and We're just dead in the water,
completely dead in the water. Uh, nothing around but ocean.
And uh, it was just one of those things where
like are you kidding me with this? You know, because
you start thinking this, I'm gonna check out. I'm gonna
be a victim from the Muna triangle. And I'm barely
in the triangle, like I'm in the right quarter pocket
of it. I'm taking I'm not even the cool part.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
And it was one of those things where we were
out there for two hours just floating.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
We figured we'd kind of try to catch it if
we thought about the tide.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
We were trying to get the gulf tide because we
figured maybe that would bring us in close to the
ocean or I'm not sorry, closer into the land. So
we just pulled the ancre and we just floated and we
were flowing for like two hours, and uh, the captain
was just sitting there and he was he was smoking
a cigarette and he was just like his face was.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Going, I don't know we're gonna do. I don't we're
gonna do. I don't want to do it.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
And all of a sudden, all you hear was and
the ignition kicked back on. But it's like everything just
started working everything and then we just we ended up
having a you know, we we were we were out
quite a ways after that, but I mean we ended
up going back, but uh, it took an extra hour
and a half to get back, so we floated.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
A good distance. But that's that. That was the first
time we had an issue out there.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
The second time we almost had the exact same thing happened,
except we didn't have enough water on the boat, and
people kept going in and out of the water.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
We're like, all right, stop diving.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
It's it's it's not safe because the water was I
pod kick and everyone was getting salt crystals built on
them and.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I actually had salt in my ears coming out of
the water.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
And then of course, uh, when the captain looks at
me and goes, let me try and start the engine,
I'm like, apphciates this again.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
So we did. We did that like two days.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
In a row, and then that was like the last
time we went out there on that particular area. But
it was it was like the same thing happened. We
were we were dead in the water for like two hours.
We floated out a little bit and the next thing.
You know, everything worked again, And to this day, I
have absolutely no idea why that happened.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
But I remember watching the compass just go like this.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
That is creepy, and that first time you're thinking, okay,
in the big deal, and the second day when that happened.
When I dive, I have a compass. It looks like
a big watch, but it's a compass, you know. It's
just something I keep, you know, for for safety reasons.
And uh, actually when I dive, I die with two
of them. I have two compasses on me. I've got
one of my rag on my oct of course, and
then I've got the hand compass, and uh, one of

(41:26):
one of them is the Oceanic, which is one of
the best you can buy, and the other one I've
just had this thing for years. It's like the one
of the best compass I've ever had. And uh, when
I was looking at the compass on on the the
Captain's deck, I just happened to look down on my
left hand and my compass is doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
And that's just that little hand you know, the little water,
the liquid crystal, and it's just floating around like it's
just spinning and spinning, spinning, So I have no idea
what kind of nominalis chain or go on out there.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
There's been several I've heard several things like there's huge
sulfur deposits.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
I just don't know how a sulfur deposit.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Is going to change the orientation of the compass. I
just don't know how that's going to happen. But I
have seen more sulfur will displace the buoyancy and water
and cause things to sink, so I think that might
be possible. But when you look at all the recks
that have happened out there and the disappearances, they're just strange. Man,
It's just weird stuff. I Mean, you got boats out

(42:24):
there that they can't explain what happened because all the
men are gone. All their valuables are still there, but
the escape boats, the documentation, all their everything's gone. And
then you just find, you know, part of the boat.
It's not even it's in a new boat. There's one
what was the.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Name of that one I was looking at excuse me
a second.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
When we came up to the one that was built
in Maine. Uh, yeah, the Carol Deering. Carol Deering's a boat.
It's built in nineteen nineteen and it's built a main
and it's a very it's a you know, very well
put together vessel.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And uh, the second it's it's it's gone.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
It's made second voyage and it's going to Rio Degeneri
to drop off coal and it's coming from Portland, Maine.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
The kids to Triangle.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
They find the hulk of the boat and Cape Hatteras
and it's not even a year old. And the thing
looks like it's it's been sitting out there for years.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
And there was none of the none of the people
are on board. All the emergency vehicles or the emergency
boats were gone. All the people were just gone. There
was absolutely no indication of what happened. They took all
the logs and everything with them. And these these tend
it just tends to happen time after time of time time,
and you had to ask yourself what's doing that? You know,

(43:47):
is is there a certain key point where where you
go past something and it's just gonna you know, sink
the boat or what.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
What I mean, what happens? How do how do all
these people disappear?

Speaker 5 (43:58):
And where they go? That's that's where I want, and
it just keeps happening. And this is just this is
just in nineteen nineteen. I mean, like I said, we've
got cases from Christopher Columbus that go back this way
on the triangle, and just it astounds me because you're
not talking about a random thing. You're talking about a
well known event. There I was reading earlier, and I

(44:20):
remember reading this a long time ago. There are actually
transport boats coming over from Asia.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
And Europe.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
That you know, they'll cut, they'll cross through the triangle,
or they'll have to cut through the triangle, but they
prefer to avoid it. They'll actually go a longer way
around so they don't have to go into the waters.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
And that's one of the reasons.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Why is it the water being treacherous or just that
there is no answer to what is going on.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Well, it is prone to hurricanes, you know, you can
have weather ornominies. But the truth of the matter is,
I don't think they know what's going on. I really
don't because the amount of people in ship and we're
not just talking civilian ships. We've lost military vessels and
we've got Flight nineteen and got the cyclop You got
all these things out there that have disappeared over the years,
and that's just the stuff we know of, you know,

(45:08):
what about the stuff we don't know of.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
So it's just one of those things where it's there
has to be a reason. I mean, I just don't
buy that, you know, it's just bad luck of there.
It's a weather you know, these days, you can take
a boat in a hurricane and you know how to
get You know that the technology is there for you know,
apurpose and things like that, so you always have constant
sallies or billance, but just to disappear it makes them different.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
I just don't understand. It makes no sense to me.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
Well, and with the Bermuda triangle, there is a huge
number of magnetic anomalies reported and have been studied, but
they can't be repeated. They can't repeat the experiments and
find the same thing in the same place, and they
correlate a lot with UFO sightings there. There's almost always

(45:54):
some reports of UFO sightings around the same time that
these things are happening, even with the Columbus ones when
they reported the fireballs in the sky and seeing all
kinds of different stuff. So there's there's a big question
over whether this is UFO related stuff that's happening, or
whether it is some sort of magnetic anomaly that is

(46:16):
contained in the earth.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Yeah, but even then, like when I was out there
both times, you know that was that was two days
in a row, and we had the exact same compass
malfunctions in the same place and it was just blue skies.
So I again, I just don't know what it is.
And I don't know if that's just for like a
regular compass, like a lunastatic compass, or I don't I've

(46:41):
never seen a digital compass do that. I'm sure it
probably would have been that particular area, but you know,
it's just I wonder how it affects certain things. And
it's just gets crazy because when you think about you know,
it's twenty twenty five going on twenty twenty six. On
modern technology, everything we can do, we still can't figure
out where why we have boats sa in a certain
area the water, or why people disappear a certain areas

(47:03):
and we have absolutely no idea where they go.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
We can't.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
I mean, when they're gone, they're gone, you can't find
them there. It's a it's just crazy.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Crashes to so many.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
A lot of it, and that's just we don't They
don't even really talk about the private stuff that happens
out there, and that's just we don't even know what
happens in Bahamas, the Bahamas or in Bermuda when they're
flying out there. We don't know because they crossed. I mean,
I've I've heard tons reports when I've been in the Bahamas. Uh,
and I've heard reports, Uh they've had five or six
people just missing happens once in a while.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
And then like in the.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Hotter months, it happens more. They have more plane issues.
But you never really hear about that over here. Never
hear about in America. It's always always local to the area.
But it's just very very interesting. I said, when my
brother was in alone.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
What's the weirdest story you've heard come out of there?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I you know, I got to get it to me.
It's either the carroldeering.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
Or the Cyclops tell us the Cyclops story, the slight.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Clops, the USS Cyclops. The crew and passengers just vanished.
Didn't they find the boat floating? They found the boat
basically abandoned, and it was a military vessel, and there
was absolutely they this day, they have absolutely no idea
what happened.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Then it's ago ship. They have no idea what happened
to it.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
And the reason why I always say that's one of
the most interesting to me is because it's a military Again,
I said, but it's military. That's a little different when
you talk about flight nineteen. You know, when Flight nineteen
went missing, they sent another flight after it, and oh,
by the way, that disappeared too, so then they decided,
okay that that's enough. But when a military vessel goes missing,

(48:56):
you know, that's when they tend to, you know, send
out the big gun, so to speak. And when you
can't find anything with that, that that's what worries me
because that tells me our military isn't equipped to deal with,
you know, a loss on that kind of of that caliber.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Do you think it's portals? Do you think it's something else?

Speaker 5 (49:17):
You know, twenty years ago, I would have said no,
I would have said absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
These days it would not.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
It doesn't surprise me if it was a vortex a portal.
A lot of people think the permuter triangle is exactly
where Atlantis was, and maybe there's some kind of leftover
technology that just activates every once in a while it's
underwater and just causes something to happen. I you know,
I was just I would not say no, it would

(49:47):
not It would not surprise me.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
It would really not surprise me if all these things
got sucked. It could be a you know, ripping the
time space continuum. It could be a portal.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
It just maybe you know, it just takes from a
point in time that proceeds where we are now, or
maybe is passed.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
You know, we don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
But the one thing I will say is, you know,
when you're sending navy ships out looking for wreckage and
they're not finding them or they're not finding wreckage, that
tells me there's an issue too.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean, so what happened to this stuff? You know?

Speaker 5 (50:19):
I love those movies where you see like the you
know these you know, these old face you know, the
old sci fi movies where they you know, especially the eighties,
or they land and then there's people coming out that
are a dressed from like.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
The forties that were in the navy in the air
and they have an age a day and they don't know.
I'd like to think maybe something like that, but I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
It would not surprise me if a vortex or portal
or some kind of space time continuing a normally. And
the other thing is apparently there's lay lines that go
right through the triangle, so you know there's that too.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I don't know, I've never seen how. I've never seen
that map specifically, but I have heard that several times.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
It is something strange, and I think, you know, flight
nineteen is is the most unique and popular one because
of the of the radio air traffic control conversations and
the and the planes just seeming to vanish. And it's
weird how the radar that was on those planes, you know,
detected where they were. But when they went and searched

(51:18):
that entire area, none of the planes were ever found there.
And in fact, I believe they found other aircraft that
had been abandoned there, but they've never found that flight.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Well, they found they did find a it was a
Mustang forty five Mustang, but it wasn't Actually they found
seven of them, but it wasn't from flight nineteen.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
I think they found those in the nineties.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
They found a few of them out there, and then
when they pulled up the tail over stuff, they were there.
You're absolutely right. They weren't part of Flight nineteen at all.
They were training combat missions that just didn't go so well.
Because remember that's where the Navy, that's that's where the
Navy used to train is off the close to Florida.
So lord knows what's really out there or their practice
demolitions and things like that. But you're right, they haven't

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found any of those things. So all these people had disappeared.
And you know, the thing against me it was, you know,
it was December and forty five, so it's it's towards
the end of World War two and you know, the
military is still very active. They shouldn't be having problems
like this, you know what I'm saying. That's the thing
that gets me is there shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
An issue like that.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
They should be you know, we've been at war for
four years. You think everything would have worked out.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
And you know, I know they say it was, you know,
a navigation.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Problem, but it just I don't know, man, Just to me,
it doesn't make sense because you're right, And then the
next day they send out you know, or Robert Cox
talks about compass failure and he's going to crash land
but instead of making it back they turned back around again,
like they could have made it to land. But he

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turns around and he goes out towards the keys again.
So it's it's just crazy. You know, they knew where
they were, but they just had no compasses. You know,
they knew what general direction they were flying in, but
then they flew off in a different direction for some
odd reasons.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I guess the commander of the flight called it. So
you're right, it makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I mean, to have four planes lose their navigation at
the exact same time and lose their direction of where
they are going or where they're supposed to go. I mean, look,
it's easy to get lost when you're in nature. It's
easy to get lost, okay.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
But.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
When you're in the air, you always know where the
sun is. You know, the sun goes east to west.
You know that if it starts getting dark out, you
look for certain constellations and stars and planets. So you're
in north star, right, you know, So nature and the
sky becomes your navigation. And the fact that they didn't

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do that with a minute to go here, where do
you think they went?

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I don't know. But what fascinates me is is the boat.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
The Navy scrambled what was that they call a PBM
Mariner flying boat took off and within twenty minutes they
vanish and there was thirteen crew member on that. So
it's not just the other planes. Now you've got a
plane with thirteen guys. It's just gone that went looking
for them. So it's like wherever happened to them, it's

(54:34):
statistically possible that it happened to that rescue boat or
that rescue plane.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
So where is everyone? You're absolutely right? Stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
I mean, I hate saying vortex, I hate saying UFO,
I hate saying stuff at that time, but it's possibly it.

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right here on spaced Out Radio. Let's get to our
good friend, Christian McLoud his website cryptidguide dot com if
you want to check it on out. We're talking Alaska's triangle, Christian.
These triangles seem to be a little bit everywhere, and
you know, even in my area there is said to
be the Caribou Triangle.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Really yes, yeah, many people disappeared there, how many people?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Many people have vanished. It's also a place for hotbed
of UFO sightings, landings, alien abductions, which always seems to
be in those areas. It's also has legendary cryptids from
Bigfoot to dog Man, to little people to forest dwellers
and many others. And it is just something where there's

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even a place south of me about an hour's drive
that they claim First Nations people that it is the
center of the universe. It's another one of those places.
But these triangles seem to be everywhere. Why are they
always triangles? Man, Let's get to that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
One, right, you know what, I was looking at the map,
you know, and I was looking at your last year
triangle map.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
That's right, boy. And it's always like it's like the
biggest chunk.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
It goes from Borrow, Alaska to Anchorage to Juno and
I've heard it's in a different place too, but it's
like that stretch it's like almost you know, thirty four
percent of Alaska, and it's it's always in this one
specific area where it involves UFOs, cryptids, Vortexa's crazy bars,

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things like that, different lights in the sky.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
And it's it's just always kind of weird.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
But what makes me really apprehensive about the Alaska Triangle
as far as it being a strange places, was it
twenty thousand people have disappeared since the seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Twenty thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
It's less talked about the Alaska Triangle than is the
Bermuda Triangle, the Dragon's Triangle, but way more disappearances have
happened there that we know about in recent times.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
And then you know, and I think one of the
biggest people that disappeared there was a senator.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
And the reason why.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
I like this guy is, uh was a dom Yeah, yeah, center,
Hail Bogs. Hail Bogs is one of these guys. He
was actually conspiracy guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Uh, he was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
He was hell bent on saying that the Kennedy assassination
was a whole conspiracy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
It took more.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Than multiple multiple people and everyone was very much a
part of it. And uh, of course his plane vanishes. Now,
whether or not that was an accident or not, we'll
never know. But he was the one that actually brought
the whole area the popularity when he vanishes. And I
don't think they never found his plane. They have no

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idea what happened to him.

Speaker 7 (01:05:47):
They didn't find any part of the plane, they didn't
find anyone that was on it, any remains of anybody
that was on it. And there were over ninety different
vessels out there searching, both forty military, fifty private planes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Helicopters, pnomobiles.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
I mean, they had so many people involved in this,
thirty six hundred hours of search time involved and absolutely nothing,
no trace of anything was ever found.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Ninety planes plus plus people on ground. Think about that,
all search in the same area. And they knew it
his flight path, they knew where he was going, and
it wasn't a surprise. But how does I mean, how
does that vanish?

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
And there's the one that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
Says, you know, it's Alaska's entirely large willness raw earth
easy to get lost?

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Right, probably first want to say easy and loss.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
But when you have ninety aircraft following the jectory of
one plane start to begin and beginning start, and they
just keep going over and over the same area for
twenty six hundred hour, thirty six hundred hours, I'm sorry,
there's something there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
I'm throwing Shenanigans out there. There's something wrong as well
as people.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
On the ground with pnowmobiles, hikers exactly spreading out on foot.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
It was a huge.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
And it was it covered every possible trajectory because like
I said, they knew, they was you know, she was represented,
they know where he's going. It's his flight pathy's takes
it every day or every time he comes home and boom,
just gone. And then you know, And that was in
seventy two, and to this day there's still you know, nothing,

(01:07:21):
absolutely nothing. So it's just one of these strange things
where they really tried saying this one was UFO. There
was a lot of people that said that there was
a blip on the radar when they started having problems,
and then when they lost radio communications there was allegedly
a blip on the radar again and then the plane's gone.
So if this was one of those cases where like

(01:07:42):
the plane was taken by UFO, or if that's ever
actually happened, I would have to throw this one in there,
because the entire.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Plane just vanishes.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
And with that many people and that much manpower, I'm sorry,
if they had wrecked, they would have found it. I
mean they were doing on the on the ground, They
did the same trajectory.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
On the ground, and just like he was driving home.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
They followed that, you know, and then they were ninety
planes in the air, fifty of them were military. So
I'm sorry, with that much technology and that much aircraft
up there, something happened to that thing. I get just
it vanished. And again this is another case or what
happens to it? Is it a vortex? Is it a rip?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
And time?

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
I mean, what happens to these things, and this is
one of my But think about Dave, twenty thousand people
over since the seventies, and you're telling me the United States
government isn't even remotely interested in this, or they're not
looking into stuff. They're not going to send teams out
there to find out what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
I mean, it makes no sense to me. I see
comments over here about the World of Wu. The people
that argue against.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
The World of WO say that they're in this area.
There are huge amounts of snowstorms, there are big glaciers,
abandoned mines, prevasses and glaciers. Things can disappear, snow can
cover it quickly, but it doesn't account for the amount,
the vast amount.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Of stuff that happens there.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
It is over the plane crashes and hikers and people
lost are over twice the national average, yes, this area,
and the just the sheer number is staggering. And how
many people disappear here, how many planes crash.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
And how many vessels of all kinds go missing.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
Completely just to have absolutely no trace of them ever found.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Well, I mean you also look at it too. The
one thing that when you get into northern British Columbia,
the Yukon Alaska Northwest Territory, and in that upper levels
the animals are much more aggressive and much larger, Like
you could see a three four one hundred pound black

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bear running around South Carolina or southern Alberta wherever it
may be, wherever bears forests and the forage and live.
You go up to that territory where you have brown bears,
Kodiak bears, even polar bears, which get into the range
of between you know, twelve hundred and two thousand pounds,

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let alone the muscos, the moose, the wolf packs, the
mountain lions and everything in between. You're dealing with a
lot of apex predators that have no fear of humans,
and they see a human like they do a rabbit.
They're going to try and take you down and use

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you for food. I mean, how many times have we
heard about that. I mean, that's just the natural causes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
But yeah, but they don't eat playing wreckage, that's my thing.
I can totally understand, you know, apex predators, big big
foot dog band throw that in there too. I've had
I've heard stories of you know, playing crashes in Alaska
the Guy Lands, and then there's nothing wrong you know,
he crashed it safely. Then the rescue party finds what's

(01:11:12):
left of the plane, huge footprints next to it, and
there's no survivors. You know how many times have we
heard that story? But the wreckage is what gets me?
You know, where did it go?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Uh, this thing like the Senator's plane, they were in
the hour, within an hour they were looking for this
guy and then nothing. And that's that's what I just
certain things like that baffle me because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Like, what happens to the wreckage? You know, they went there,
it was gone, there was nothing there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Then they searched it, then they continue to search it,
and then they kept flying the same flight plan looking
for any kind of you know, wreckage, and even if
it hit the water, they still would have found it,
you know they you know, and and it was just nothing.
So it's just one of these things where it's it's
a complete and total mystery. And again I have to say,

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how why is no one actually really looking into this
for safety of people?

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I mean, then these are.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Citizens in the United States, these are citizens of Canada,
these are citizens all over the world.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
And when they go to these places, they just vanish.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Now I can understand, you know, maybe fifteen twenty percent
screwing up in the wilderness and you know, running apex
predators or not bringing the right survival gear. I can
maybe even thirty percent. But you're talking twenty thousand people.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Well, what gets me is that even if this one
flight could have fallen into some you know, fluke, crevass
or whole and being covered up and you can't find
why can't they find any of the other ones. This
is twice as many planes as crash anywhere else nationwide
for the for the area, and they can't find a

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trace of any of them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Well, how do they all disappear?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
And that's a really good point.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Appearing crazy, but all of them?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
No, But that's a very good point. The other thing
that I have come to the conclusion about that area, too,
is just the idea that a lot of these mountain caps, Okay,
when we think of snow, we don't think of glaciers,
we don't think of the cold where the snow never melts,
and some of the powder in those areas can go

(01:13:32):
down twenty thirty feet and when you sink into the
powder where the snow in those areas is very dry,
it's not like snow on the West coast or the
East coast that is very wet, very damp, and you
make a good snowball with it and peg off your
friend in the head, you know, and when you do,

(01:13:52):
you end up, you know, looking like that, you know.
I mean, it's just it's it's a horrible thing on
the with you when you get wet snow. But when
you get into the mountainous areas like where I live,
where the snow is extremely dry and doesn't compact, something
can sink in there and you'll never see it again.

(01:14:13):
So there is that natural cause. But I agree with you.
The twenty thousand people that is just completely vanished in
that triangular area is scary. And the and the weird
part about it is people still go in there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
Yeah, And that's the thing, because I mean, you know,
you'd think they'd like, I don't know, I I personally
wouldn't go there unless I was actually now, if I
was doing a cryptid research project, or if we had
you know, had a camera crew or something like that
and we had viable information that you know, hey, in

(01:14:52):
this general area there's been bigfoot, siding sasquatch, you know,
dog man, whatever, no problem, but just to walk in there,
to walk in there, no, it just doesn't make sense
to me. You know, there's got to be some kind
of reward for going in there, and as of lately,
it doesn't seem like there is one. And again the

(01:15:14):
thing against me, Dave is I hate going back to
the extraterrestrial stuff. But sometimes that's all that makes sense
to me. It's got to be like a you know,
a more powerful component than we're aware of.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
There's a piece of the equation missing and you can't
solve for X if you don't have it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
And to me, I just feel like there's something missing
because I just don't see why why are so many
planes going down in this general area?

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
And even with the Bermuda Triangle, you know we've got planes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
Going down, but you know they have well it's the
same story, loss of compass, heading, radios don't work, Things
just kind of crash out, instrumentation goes out, and then
the next thing you know, they just vanish.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
But you can't find any of the wreckage. You don't
even see oils looks on top of the water. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
That's That's what I don't understand, is just there's there's
just nothing there that shows any kind of wreckage.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
No, I mean, there's just no evidence. And that's that's
what I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, it's it's one of the mysteries that that we have.
What other triangles are confusing to a lot of people.
I know, there's the Bridgewater Triangle in Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Yeah, we didn't. We we did a lot of We
did basically the Big Three. We did the Bridgewater I'm sorry,
we did Bermuda, Alaska and uh Dragon Triangle.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Well, tell us about the Dragon I don't know about
that one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
Oh, well, that one's fascinating. Christina did some information researches.
I'm gonna let her tell you about that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:43):
It's basically, it's it's kind of on the opposite side
of of the It's on the Pacific side, right where
the Bermuda Triangle is in the Atlantic. On the opposite
side of the Earth, basically in the Pacific Ocean is
where the Dragon's Triangle is. And it has been there's
been notoriety in the Dragon's Triangle ever since our fleet

(01:17:06):
of Kubla Khan was lost there very very very.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Long time ago.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
For yeah, I mean you're talking, yeah, when you're talking
about the fleet that was going to conquer for Kubla
Khan disappearing there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
I mean, that's that's almost you know that right there,
twelve Heny one Kubla Khan's fleet.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
There's storms there and there's you know, they count just
like the Bermuda Triangle. A lot of people blame hurricanes
and unforeseen storms on causing a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
There's there's the same thing there.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
There are tsunamis, there are storms, heavy amounts of storms
in that area. But there's also a ton of UFO
reports in that area, and that the area got the
Dragon Triangle name, And part of it is because it
is very common for planes in there to report seeing

(01:18:01):
a sea serpent with wings in the area. So it's
very common and they say that that's when their instruments
go out when they see this. So there's been over
a thousand vessels lost there since the nineteen fifties in
the Dragon's Triangle. And what's interesting to me is that

(01:18:24):
the Bermuda Triangle for most people in popular culture is
the most well known of the triangles, the most I
guess most often spoken about. Dragon's Triangle for me would
be second was the second one I heard about, and
the Alaska Triangle not a lot of people have known
about until the last few years. But it goes in

(01:18:45):
opposite order of the number of disappearances. The Alaska Triangle
is just huge in the number of disappearances. The Dragon's
Triangle is probably second, and the Bermuda Triangle is responsible
for less only maybe a little over a thousand disappear
people's disappearances in the last since the nineteen fifties, and

(01:19:07):
the Dragon's Triangles probably about five times that. In the
Alaska Triangle is just huge.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Yeah, there's a there's a little message here. The Japanese
government sent on a huge shift of floll signs. I
remember that, uh and and it completely.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Vanished, vanished, not one of them ever found. And it's
just now that's deep water.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
A lot of people think there's a lot of piracy
out there, and what they'll do is they'll they'll simply
just kill everyone on board, take what they want, and
just sink everything U. The other thing, people think that
it's a place to scuttle ships for insurance claims things
that because the water.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Is so deep.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
But the truth of the matter is that some of
that might be true, but it can't be all true
because you've got so many people and ships that disappear
out there there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
There's got to be some survivors, but you know where
they go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
You know what always makes me laugh too about that,
You know that that big serpent thing. I wonder if
that was like the prelude to like the Kaiju mythology
for like got Zilla and things like that, because that's
that's right in that that general area, because that's that's
kind of what they're describing out there's these massive you know,
sea serpents or levithan.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
He's going to a biblical you know.

Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
And the Japanese government's response was to say that a
volcano had exploded in that area when the ship disappeared.
That was their Oh it wasn't, you know, anything supernatural.
It was the volcano exploded underwater, and that's why we
lost the ship. But reports stated that that volcano wasn't
as big as they as.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
They said, Well, they could they explain it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Didn't know that they could detect that underwater and they
could bypass that. That's because you're talking seven or eight
miles deep. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna see that.
That was their cover story.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Yeah, but I mean I don't believe that either.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
So I mean it's you've got all all these places
and David, here's why I like you. If you ever
look at him around the world, it's like if you
were to section the world up and like pieces, it's
like they're they're almost equilateral triangles, like when you look
at the world in a flat map and you just
kind of divide it Where these all these triangles are,
including that Madagascar one with that figure, uh, and you

(01:21:10):
correlate that with the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Natural lay lines.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
It almost looks like it's it's done by design, and
it's that's what that's that's it's very intriguing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
It's like, is that natural occurrences?

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Do we just have these weak points in the atmosphere
where the magnetic anomalies you're gonna come in?

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Is that coming in through the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Atmosphere because these places are also where the weakest part
of the atmospheres are, or or what we just you know,
it's just the at least questions start popping up and
you can't find anyone to really answer them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
NASA doesn't even comment on this stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and again, this similarly to the Bermuda triangle, then
magnetic anomalies can't be quantified to where you know, oh yeah,
this is exactly this much.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Different all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:21:55):
The range is huge for for how much it differs
from and where it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Do you think weather patterns play a part of this?

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
I'm sorry to hear that, Dad, but do you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Think weather patterns play a part in this?

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
I think it's the other way around.

Speaker 7 (01:22:16):
I think this stuff is causing the weather patterns that
are so different there.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
I don't know about that, but I will say this,
If the weather patterns had anything to do with it,
that's fine. But up till now, the technology, I mean,
you know, we got boats that can hit the North
Sea with no problem, take those rogue waves, you know,
and just be thrown around like you know nothing, and
they know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
They're designed for that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
So even if the weather patterns were so askew that
they would just hit them with rough seas, they're designed
for that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Now, some of them may not have been you know,
in the past. You know, they may not have been.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
But I think for the amount of time that it's
been in for how many people have disappeared over there
in the recent years. I think the boat technology itself
is is you know, they've lost submarings too, And that's
the other things. We're not just talking about boat bus.
There's submarings that have disappeared in this whole area. What
happened to Amelia Earhart.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
That's not in this general area, that was that's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Closer to they found her. But I think, you know
it's I don't even think it has anything to do
with Earth anomalies. I think there's something completely different that
we don't know about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
UH.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
And UH, like I said, it only happens in certain
parts of the world. And if like you were said,
if you ever get a global map, spread it out
and put all the triangles you've heard about it, you're
gonna find their almost equal distance apart, and it almost
looks like you're you're you're Cuban up the planet. And
you'll also find those are the weak points in the
hemisphere where uh, I give you an example where JFK

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launches out of Florida that goes right over the Reminter
triangle because it's a weak spot in the atmosphere. So
I don't know, you know, it's just I don't if
that has anything to do with it. I don't know
if that's a global anomaly. But it just there has
to be something else. We don't know, because you're right,
there's there's too many of them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
If it was just one or two, it makes sense.
But you've got them all over the planet. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Uh, the Bridgewater Triangle it's another one. But look where
that is the triangle you were talking about, the Cariboo Triangle.
I mean that, Look the distance that would be. You know,
you've got all these areas. You've got them in South America.
You know, Antarctica, they've always got you. Antarctica, you know
they've they've got their areas out there too. So it's
just it's it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
We have Christian McCloud coming into the second half of
spaced Out Radio tonight, and when we return from the break,
we're going to get into the Bridgewater Triangle. Everything from UFOs, aliens,
giant snakes, puck wedgies, sasquatch, and even Grandma's undergarm. It's
found in the Bridgewater Triangle. Yes, I know it sounds grotesque,

(01:25:05):
but you know what, you can't make this stuff up.
We'll be right back on spaced Out Radio.

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I'm telling kids, doing great. She's doing awesome. You're doing awesome.
Everyone's doing awesome. Good team, You're still humble.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
Yeah, Grandma is underpants. I know about the Punkadgies, the
big Foot, the UFOs, the Dover Demon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Don't forget the butt weggies.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
The buttes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
There are thongs everywhere in the Bridgewater Triangle.

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The Grandma's underwears. That's a that's dangerous. It's dangerous. They

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had that contract. Go man, did you have a good time?

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I can see them putting on a good show man.

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Yeah, man, I think the two opening acts were just
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Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Who opened for him?

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Apocalyptica?

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I love them.

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And Lindsey Sterling.

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Oh yeah, she's amazing.

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Did you ever see her version who Wants to Live Forever?

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Uh? She played she closed with uh led Zeppelins. Uh
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Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Well, she's she's awesome. I'm a big fan of hers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
But that Apocalypta, man, I've got them. Man, they're they've
been around for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
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Yeah, they when they do they did all metallica stuff,
or did.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
They do They were doing a lot of metallica, just
a lot of metal all around. It was pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
I remember last time I went to decent concert. That's
been a long time for me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
I love concert.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
It's there's a Stevie Nicks one happening and I'm debating
because the tickets are two hundred and fifty bucks each.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
If you want to listen to Stevie Nicks, just go
to your local farm that has goats.

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Yeah, south Park, exactly. Mistakes.

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Have your autograph shape the guy's autograph books.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
My daught her a good Stevie I got her. That
was funny. That's the last really really good concert. I
saw it was Woods Doug ninety nine. How long showing
your age, baby girl?

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I heard yes, we got about forty seconds.

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(01:32:06):
Bridgewater Trying, I'll tell us about.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
It, okay, Well, Bridgewater Triangle.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Actually it's it's been a place where things have been
happening for hundreds of years. But Lauren Coleman was the
one who came up with the name in nineteen eighty
three in one of his books. And he's a low
he's actually from Portland, Maine. But we all know who
Lauren Coleman is. I've actually had the privilege to talk
to him once. He was very nice to me, but

(01:32:32):
very very matter of fact kind of guy. And what
he did is he started correlating all these incidents since
was it seventeen hundred, yes, Algonquin, Algonquin tribes, and it's
just it's one of these places where people have disappeared
it's puck wedgies, apple snitches, bigfoot, dover demons, UFOs am

(01:32:56):
I missing anything, swamp monsters, underpants, demons.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
The day if nothing, he's doing that for purpose. So, uh,
it's it's just one of these places where strange things happen.
I've seen several specials on it, and I remember one
in particular where the guy saw the Dover Demon and uh,
Dover Demon apparently it looks like a little alien, but

(01:33:27):
it was trying to grab a dog.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
At one point in time, and it climbed over a
rock wall.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
But uh, there's always stories about people disappearing out there,
and it's still very active even to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
How many times has the Dover Demon been seen? Sorry, look,
how many times has the Dover Demon been seen?

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
I know at least three in the early eighties and
then like and I think ninety seven. Have you ever
seen a picture of that thing?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
It looks like a miniature gray alien.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
It's exactly what it looks like to me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
It's very interesting to see how all these different creatures
seem to kind of play out in different places. Your
thought on why so much is happening in this Bridgewater triangle?

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
I think it's just another one of these places on
the planet where everything just kind of crescendos to the
weird or the unexplainable. I think it's just there's certain anomalies.
When you go back to the Native Americans having problems
with these places, then obviously there's something wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
But it's I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
If it's just a culmination of just points in the
Earth where things just naturally occur, magnetic anomalies, things in
that nature. But the whole area is very much swampy.
I don't know if you've ever it's it's like a
big swamp, it really is. So maybe that has something
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
With it too. I mean, I really don't know. It's
just the stuff that like the weird.

Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
The Bigfoot sightings there when you read about them, are
very strange. They're like sometimes every portm is like very
different looking. They'll have more human face like kind of
thing they do. Like the mind that's one of the
few places I've heard a lot of stuff about mind speak.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
A lot of stuff happens like allegedly it's mind speak.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
And I know you and I aren't going to agree
on this, but I just don't I'm not I don't
buy that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I'm ninety nine percent sure that doesn't happen. Well, just
like in the Alaska try and we didn't really get
to it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
But in the Alaska Triangle there's Native American legends about
a shape shifting creature living there that can turn into
like an otter like human slash.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Otter size is a giant otter kind.

Speaker 7 (01:35:55):
Of thing, but it's supposed to beckon people into the wilderness,
and the legend is that it can appear as people
that you know, sort of similar to what a lot
of people think of whendigo can do, but it appears
as somebody that they know and calls them in further
into the woods and helps them get lost. But in

(01:36:19):
their traditions, it's more of a giant otter kind of
creature that can shape shift. In the Algonquin traditions in
the Bridgewater Triangle there they involve more swamp creatures because that's,
you know, what they see there. But their their descriptions
of a bigfoot like creature are a lot more like

(01:36:39):
the Florida swamp ape kind of descriptions.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
That it's usually covered in some.

Speaker 7 (01:36:45):
Kind of of mossy kind of stuff and coming out
of the water more so, well.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
That could just be them trying to relax, and you know,
monster sticks here. The other thing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
That the Bridgewater Triangle has a lot more paranormal activity
associated with it over the centuries, and I think that's
that's a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
H And as we've talked about the other.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
Areas, you know, uh, they all have their paranormal attributes,
but the Algonquins and the natives in this area pretty
much said this was a place.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
For resting souls and in strange spirits.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
So that's one of those things that I think you
have to look at the history of a place.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
And I'm not excitingly sure how big.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I mean, the Bridgewaar Triangle isn't as big as most triangles,
it really isn't, but it's still an area of interest
because so many strange things have happened there. And what's
cool is it's well, if you look at this way,
for me, what schools happened, it's encapsulated in a smaller area,
but they still get the reports of the same things
that happen in these.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Massive amounts of space. So it's it's just again, it's
just fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
I find it very interesting. You know about these puck wedgies.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Your foots man, I love those things. Uh, puck wedgies
do you do you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Know about them? Like or the other where were they
started coming from or their folklore?

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Give us the history on them.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
The puck wedgies that now this is Algonquin.

Speaker 9 (01:38:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
They they they're little people, Cherokee little people. It's basically
the same thing, but they're described in two ways. Some
of them are described basically just like miniature bigfoots.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
They've got they're very intelligent, they're very strong, they're very quick,
but they're very small.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Then they tend to live underground. Uh. And they are
fascinated by shiny objects.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
And that particular incident is all throughout the Native American
folklore and in the northeastern corridor of.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
The United States. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
And even the Cherokee little people uh that are up
by Western Carolina University and Silva the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
They are incredibly mischief. They don't like most people for
some reason. They hang out graveyards A lot of times
they're seeing graveyards. I was actually when I was getting
my ashes are Western. I actually got lost once at
night and I could have sworn. I saw a little
guy just run across the street. I don't you know that,
But that's in here and now. But that whole area
is just saturated down by jewel color rock things of

(01:39:13):
that nature. It was just saturated by little people folklore
and and of course we have it Mount Piska and
the Ashville area. But but they're very prone to mischief.
They're not nice to people, and they're incredibly strong. Uh
and uh in some of the puck Wedgi folklore and
especially the Bridgeway Triangle. Uh, they're out to do people harm. Uh,

(01:39:34):
they're trying to get them. They'll they'll try to get
them to follow them out there and then they'll jump
them and usually kill them or eat them or something
of that nature.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
It's not a it's not a nice thing.

Speaker 9 (01:39:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
But uh, pubwatches.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
They're also called apple snitches and an apple sninch if
someone used to steal apples.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
And that's that's where that came from. But that's all
New England folklore.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
But that goes all the way up, you know, even
to the upper across the main Nova Scotia and things
like that. They all have tails of little people. But
in the is what a Triangle. They're referred to as
puck wedgies.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Now for people who may want to picture it their mind,
I guess the most accurate way to picture this would
be using a Star Wars term where they almost look
like ewoks.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Yeah, well he wants more like Teddy bears.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
These things look like you know, like I said, there's
there's two or three ways they're described in the Cherokee folks.
For there's short, hairy versions that would kind of, I
guess look like ewok's.

Speaker 8 (01:40:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
There's another version where they're a different color, like they're
a dark brown, and then then they don't have any
hair all of their body. And then there's the other
ones where they're just kind of like miniature people but
very very violent. So, but none of them have ever
been described as as what we would call friendly. There's

(01:40:53):
something you don't want to run into because their their
main goal is the trick and then you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Know, basically steal what you have to kill you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
So they're they're not not what you want to hang
out with. And and specifically, uh, when you're talking about
the the Triangle in this area and up in the north,
they're they're considered tricksters and they're always trying to basically
steal whatever you have on you and then leave it
for dead. And that's that's one of the problems in

(01:41:20):
that particular area. So I would not go looking for
punk wedgies, says I.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
The little people will very fun.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
What brings them out? You mentioned shiny objects?

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
They like shiny objects are like gold trinkets things that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
But then that's just stuff in the folks are Maine
is full of short French people. Wow, that's cold, man,
that's cold. That's one part of me. But it's it's
I think it's greed. They're very greedy.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
They sound like the bigfoot version of a Lepricns are cool.
They have belt buffles, man shoeles.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
What else is in the in the bridgewater.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
They said dover demon, puck wedgies, bigfoot, but we are
talking about he's how he's described.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
A lot of people think a lot of paranormal activity.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
They think it's a resting place for a lot of
spirits that can't find complete closure, and they go there
and then they preak havoc, very very paranormal.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
So that's interesting. There's more ghostly reports there than then
you have fo type stuff. Yeah, I mean there's UFO
stuff there, but.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
They do have what you would call is unfriendly spirits,
and the spirits will actually try to trick you into
the swamps and.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Bring you out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
It's one of these places where like, if you hear
someone calling for help in the middle of the night
in the swamp, you probably don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Go out there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
There's gonna be something else either puckwadgi or evil spirit
trying to do you harm, something trying to fool you exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
That's kind of creepy.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean that's you know, that's so
England for you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Do you think then that these creatures are there or
are they coming in and out of dimensions?

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
You know, I feel about the dimensional stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
You'd love it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
But when you're talk in paranormal, it's possible, you know,
we don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Again, this is where people claim to be experts. We
don't know what includes with the paranormal. Is it possible
transdimensional travel of course, different beings having different abilities and
different dimensions. Yeah, totally definitely. I mean it could be
in evil spirits, it could be demonic in nature.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
We don't know. But as far as what the native
said about the area that was definitely a place where
evil spirits and the Malicia spirits would well and then
they would like to take your life.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
And that's you know, I think that happens, and that
particular folklore. I think what happened with that is it
branched out and it went into the puck Wodge's and
the UFOs and everything else. Because anytime you read about
anything in the Bridgewater Triangle, it's not friendly. It's not
some friendly spirit that's trying to say hi or make
a contact. It's not Harry and the Henderson's type Bigfoot.

(01:44:17):
It's it's something trying to kill your each air steel,
what you got and then torture you or things of
that nature. So it's it's not whatever's in there is
not good, and it's it's one of these things where
I don't think you'll ever find a story about the
Bridgeword Triangle.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Bridgewak trying to excuse me that anything friendly happened. It's
it's considered a hot spot of death and misery. Yeah,
nothing there sounds like, yeah, I want to go ahead,
that's fun. But what you say about how can you not.

Speaker 7 (01:44:47):
Hear about all of these different all of these triangles
where so many disappearances happen without a trace, complete poof disappearances,
and so many sightings of so many weird things, especially
UFOs and stuff. How can you not think, you know,
wormholes and and vortex is. How can you not think

(01:45:09):
that this is probably a doorway somewhere, that there's got
to be something coming in and out of this place.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
I don't know. What about these giant snakes that are
said to live in the swamps.

Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
There, well, I you know, I wonder if they're they're
like the Northern or the Abernaky. I'm sure what was
the trailer the walk the Alonque version of the ucatina,
which would be a large serpent with a diamond and horns,
and it was basically a water spirit. But again, these

(01:45:43):
are things you don't want to mess with. We actually
have living in Appalachia.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
We have.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
Many, many stories about the udina uh In in this
particular area, and it's one of these things where if
you see it and it doesn't see you, you're lucky,
and if it does see you, you're you're not gonna
have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
So it's one of these days. Any kind of serpent
spirit in the water never good.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
I've never and that that goes to Viking folklore even
I mean it looks biblically Leviathan. I mean, the Leviathans
were so nasty. There was two of them once and
God said I only one and killed the other one. So, uh,
you know, you're talking about end of the world type
prophecy stuff when these things come out.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
People, but it's, uh, it's just one of these things where, uh,
certain folklores go throughout all the mythologies and go through
all the cultures, but they all say the same thing
about the same type of entity, and when you're dealing
with the serpent, it's never good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
And I'm sure that's exactly the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
But like I said, though, is considered a.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Water serpent water entity, a water, you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
Know, a monster but like a water or a spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Is there a big compilation of people going missing in
the Bridgewater Triangle as well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
It's not a big population, but I mean people do
go missing in there, and like I said, it's a
smaller area.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
It's yeah, it's it's you know, much smaller. It's between
a few cities in Massachusetts. There's not this huge, uh
geographical zone like the other three triangles we talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's one of these things
where things do disappear, but they're not as often. Uh
and uh, I think I think what what that all
goes down to, though, is it's also one of these
things where you know, it's been going on for so
long that so many people are aware of it that
you have people that you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
Know probably go, uh you know.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
They go camping out there, something happens, and again it's
just swampy area.

Speaker 8 (01:47:54):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
And I don't know if you've ever been well, I
know you've been in swampy areas, but if you if
you want to go out out and camp in a
swampy air or something like that, it's not the best
thing to do because you know, you could at night,
you get turned around, you can slip, you can fall,
hit your head, drowning in the way.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
You know. It's it's just one of these places where
it's just dangerous.

Speaker 9 (01:48:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:11):
In the seventies is when they had the Bridgewater Bigfoot
and some people went missing, and of course they blamed
him for that. But in seventy eight they had hock
a mock swamp monster, and again a few people wasn't
missing on that. But it's just one of these things where,
you know, it doesn't take a whole lot of people
to go missing because it's a smaller area, you know,

(01:48:31):
and it's one of those I think it's just geographical.
I think it just it also it's just a lot
of history passed down, you know, from a generation and
generation that specific area.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Basically stay out of this area.

Speaker 7 (01:48:44):
It's just not safe, yeah, but it's not geographically it's
not as big of an area that you'd have plane
crashes going, you know, disappearances and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
And it's it's a.

Speaker 7 (01:48:56):
Small triangle of land in the Panhandle of Massachusetts such
as relatively small.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
You've mentioned a few times it's a small area. What
kind of an area are we looking at here?

Speaker 5 (01:49:11):
Well, it's geographically, like I said, most of it's swamp,
but there's a there's a state hospital in there. It's
two hundred square miles, and then it's it's it's got
some haunted inns and things like that in there too.
But it's just I think what happens is the folklore
all of it just kind of culminates. But I mean,
if you think about two hundred square miles you know,

(01:49:32):
in in a small town or encompassing a few small towns,
that's actually pretty big.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
So I guess you could correlate that with.

Speaker 5 (01:49:42):
You know, uh, maybe some of the things that happened
in the bigger triangles and just move the deskmal point
and it's probably going to be about average. But if
you were going to do it that way, But I
think some of the other things that happened in there,
or some of things that are seen as you know,
they also have a great panthers that are seen in there.
This thunderbird reports in that specific specific area the accidentut ledge,

(01:50:07):
it's a cliff diving area off there. Phantom fires happens
a lot in there, and you also have a.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
What do you mean phantom fires?

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Phantom fires.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Fires just appear out of nowhere and then just they'll
disappear out of nowhere. I mean they'll they'll start burn
something in Spanish go out on their own.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Question I have about question I have for you is
we got about four minutes to go here before we
go to break at the top of the hour. Christian
McCleod is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Thunderbirds.
These fascinate me. I don't believe them that they are
in our time zone, but I do believe that maybe

(01:50:46):
people are actually when they have these sightings or occurrences
with them, that they are actually looking into a different
period of time, kind of like a a a quick
Facebook reel that is going on in live time in
front of the pererson. And that's what I believe. I mean,

(01:51:09):
to see a forty foot bird flying through the sky
just doesn't do it for me right now. Doesn't do
it for me. Don't I want to believe? But I
do not. What's your thoughts on the thunderbird?

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
I think sometimes they might be mistaken for something else.
You know, you have the California condor. I know it's
it's it's like that's supposed to be like geographically locked.
But but you're talking about a bird that's so big
and once they get in the air that you start riding,
you know, the thermos. So is it possible for a

(01:51:45):
bird like that to just fly that far off course
and be seen somewhere in the Midwest? And usually most
thunderbirds are seen in the you know, in the California
desert regions. But I I'm kind of with you on that, man,
I can't see a bird that big and speaking. Look

(01:52:06):
at all the airplanes we have in the sky at
one given point in the day, and how many reports
today do those have of like running in the thunder birds?
I mean, we get one every couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Maybe. But is it possible that there's.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
An opening somewhere in the atmosphere where things can you know,
get lost in time space? It's possible it would. Again
twenty years ago I said no, But these days I'm
a little more open minded when it comes to stuff.
Is there's no way to explain it, But I think
some of it might be explained by, you know, just

(01:52:41):
maybe running into some very large eagles, maybe some condors
that you know. And what I think happens is they'll
see these things flying and maybe they see the shadow,
and the shadow is so much bigger than what the
real animal is.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
And I think that's part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
But it would not surprise me if there was some
kind of anomaly where some and would just pop up
or get sucked into a vortex and maybe show up
and then disappear surprised.

Speaker 7 (01:53:06):
Do you think it's either of you think it's possible
that that native American stories legends about thunderboards might be
experiences of them seeing UFOs and not being able to describe.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
It any other way.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I personally do not.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
No, I don't, because when they see UFOs, they depict
them as UFOs, you know, they.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Draw them absolutely. But and I mentioned this as I
have learned about the wilderness and the outdoors the last
few years that I've been trying to get a little
bit better in learning my surroundings near s R headquarters.
And one of the things that I always talk about
is or that I was talked I've talked about a

(01:53:47):
number of times on the show, but that I've been
taught is know your poop when you're out in the wilderness.
Know your poop.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
You better.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
I should just a man like Well, we go around
where these thunderbird sightings are. We don't see trays painted.
We don't see cars painted. We don't see rocks painted
with thunderbird feces. We don't see giant nests. Well you
can answer that, well, maybe they live in a cave. Okay,

(01:54:19):
I can accept that, But the droppings would be massive,
like you would literally paint a car. If you have
a blue car, it's going to be painted white or
whatever color it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Comes out damage.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Yes, exactly. But we're going to continue on with Christop
McCloud the Cryptid Ghee after this break. He's gonna stick
with us through our three.

Speaker 11 (01:54:48):
Next you're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host
Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
All Right, we are clear. We got about six minutes. Guys.
I'm just gonna take a quick break here, okay, all right,
get you back in the green room. We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (01:55:23):
Everyone, USA, USA, USU.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
Bring these guys back in.

Speaker 7 (02:00:29):
There.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
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to get copyright infringement.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
No one here knows that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Any questions in our three for Christian and Christine cryptied
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Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
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Speaker 12 (02:02:50):
Hello and welcome to spaced out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the Uno tales of monsters, legends, and nightmaps.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Welcome to the space down, lady a swamp.

Speaker 12 (02:03:07):
I used to live in a trailer park. It was
in decent shape at the time, mostly full of elderly
people who wanted a nice but small space, cheap rent,
and perhaps a garden to take care of. Relative to
most trailer parks I've seen, it was large. It had
what most would consider blocks, but not sidewalks. For some reason,

(02:03:30):
my high school assigned a bus stop that was a
five block twenty plus minute walk, even though there was
a stop closer to my residence. I lived on the
main road, but toward the back. It started out straight
from the front and made a big swooping curve like
a pirate hook toward the back corner, which is closest

(02:03:50):
to where I was for reference. Approximately seventy to eighty
trailers fit on this main road. All of the side
streets branched off this road into an NS versions of
the same name. The first stop for the school bus
was the one that I was assigned before it ventured
through the whole trailer park, so I'm still confused as

(02:04:11):
to why my stop was all the way toward the
front when the bus had to pass my actual trailer. Anyway,
it was a classic Western New York winter Monday, early
two thousand and eight, and I began my walk thirty
minutes before my pickup time. The roads had some ice,
but were not completely iced over. Instead of following the
full curve towards the front of the trailer park, I

(02:04:33):
usually went down my French street and walked the remaining
five blocks toward the front. It was on this street
that a car port out of a driveway and began
driving in my direction. I'm unsure which trailer belonged to,
but it was within two doors down range from my
friend's house. My friend used to walk with me, but
at this point I don't think we were close anymore,

(02:04:53):
since I would have waited for her otherwise. It wasn't
unusual for a car in the trailer park to be
driving at six thirty am, but since it was winter,
it was still dark as nighttime. However, it was weird
that the car didn't just pass me if you're up
that early, don't you have somewhere to beat? What better
things to do than tell high schoolers on the way
to their bus stop. They were following me at of

(02:05:16):
slow pace, at about five to ten miles per hour,
if that I was a fast walker in general, but
it's not like I was walking faster than a normal
idling car speed. It didn't help that I had my
French horn with me, since that got pretty heavy after
a while and wouldn't have made the best weapon in
the hands of a fourteen year old five seven hundred

(02:05:38):
and twenty pound female with no prior self defense training.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
I've corrected that since though I got that bad.

Speaker 12 (02:05:45):
Gut feeling as soon as I realized the car was
idly stalking rather than passing by. The car's distance from
me varied. Sometimes they'd be a block back and others
they'd be right behind me, But never did the driver's
side window end up level to where I was, nor
did the driver say anything. I also kept looking back frequently,

(02:06:08):
since the car wasn't very loud, so as to make
sure the driver hadn't just parked it and gotten out
to swipe me or whatever their plan was. I think
this made it obvious that I was aware of their presence,
They tell me for a while before pulling off into
a side street and disappearing, probably when they knew I
was heading toward a bus stop popular with other kids,
or perhaps they were looking for a less to warey targets.

(02:06:31):
To this day, I have no idea who it was,
if they lived there, or if it was just someone
hanging out waiting for someone to creep on. I was
more focused on moving quickly toward the bus stop than
stopping to check the license plate. Like I said, the
car wasn't always right there, and I don't have the
best vision anyway. This only happened once that afternoon. I

(02:06:52):
mentioned to the lady who drove the bus that a
creep had followed me that morning and asked if she
would be able to pick me up directly at my
house from that point on for the remains of the
time I lived there. She obliged, as did most substitute
bus drivers, even though it wasn't officially on their list.
Sometimes I'm a little road ragie with buses, but when
I remember my incidents, I'm no longer mad that kids

(02:07:13):
get dropped off right at home. Now at least where
I live. It may be annoying, but at least they're safe.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
Thank you, swamped Well for another creepy story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamp dweller ringing that bell hit subscribe thousands
of stories just like that for you to listen to
each and every time. Let's bring back in Christian McLeod.
We call him the cryptid guy around here, hanging on

(02:07:40):
out with us throughout the night. Normally we go to
Robin Haynes each and every week at this time, but
she is not feeling very well. She is under the weather,
and so we bring Christian back in. How you doing, buddy, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
Doing great, man. I'll try to channel Robin for you.
That it's not working.

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
Question for one of my listeners, Dave is so horrible.
Why do we like him?

Speaker 9 (02:08:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
Well, he's just rubbing it in after the World Series.

Speaker 4 (02:08:13):
He thinks I'm a.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
Toronto Blue Jays fan when I'm a New York Yankees fan,
you know, and uh, you know, it was just a
great World Series. It really was.

Speaker 4 (02:08:24):
It went quick this year, man, baseball season went fast.
We usually go to uh, we like the minor league
up here and Ashle. We see the tourists a lot,
and it just it flew by man.

Speaker 5 (02:08:36):
Usually, you know, we go to half the games and
we didn't even make him made about five or six
of them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
I gotta tell you, man, I love minor league baseball.
It's very pure. Yeah, very pure. I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
And you know, there's like a different feeling out there.

Speaker 5 (02:08:57):
Those guys did just want to be out there so much,
and they're not making hardly any money. I mean they're
not making hardly any money, so they just really they
do it for the love of the game. That's what
I like about it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:07):
That's the best.

Speaker 5 (02:09:08):
When you want to see the love of the game,
that's where you see it right there in minor league ball.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
I agree with you there. I agree with you there. Man.
It's always good, always always good. Let's start off with
an audience question here. Let's start off with in the studio,
what are your thoughts on MH Flight three seventy or
Flight MH three seventy. Because I still research it and

(02:09:33):
try to keep up with it after twelve years.

Speaker 5 (02:09:38):
You know, I've heard so many different conspiracies. I've heard
that the plane was shot down. I've heard that it
was forced down. And but one thing all these conspiracies
have in common is because of the particular people that
were on them. Apparently there was a lot of scientists
that were on these specific scientists and I don't know

(02:09:59):
if it was germalotic or or something else or a physicists,
but there was a bunch of a bunch of very
very intelligent people on that plane, and when it vanished,
it hurts some of.

Speaker 4 (02:10:12):
The industries specifically. I think it was pharmaceutical.

Speaker 5 (02:10:15):
But it would not surprise me if if those people
were abducted, are taken. And the other thing is, didn't
they find a piece of that wreckage, like somewhere off
of Madagascar, like they found We still don't.

Speaker 4 (02:10:30):
Yeah, we never Yeah, we never heard anything about that.

Speaker 5 (02:10:33):
I've also heard that it was it was completely just
taken out.

Speaker 4 (02:10:38):
They killed the.

Speaker 5 (02:10:40):
Box on it, and then they landed it somewhere and
they just took everyone hostage.

Speaker 4 (02:10:45):
I don't know. It could be one of those any
number of steercenarios.

Speaker 5 (02:10:50):
I don't I don't necessarily there was. I don't necessarily
think those people are dead.

Speaker 1 (02:10:55):
I here's what I know about it that caught me
off guard. I don't think it was aliens. That is
the narrative that has been pushed around the last couple
of years by a gentleman named Ashton Forbes. I don't
think it's that at all. There were I believe forty
Chinese nationalists military nationalists with electronic warfare specialists specialty as

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their specialty. And I totally butchered that sentence. I apologize.
Let's try that again. There were I think forty Chinese
nationalist military members who specialized in electronic warfare on the plane.
And I believe personally that the plane was diverted to

(02:11:45):
Diego Garcia, which is a secret of base in the area.
You can't land there. Nobody can land there. It's like
a it's like an area fifty one in the middle
of the Pacific Ocean there. And I think that they
went after them. I do there was probably something on
the plane. Because here's the weird part about it. Let's

(02:12:08):
rewind back in time where there was no waterproof cell phones.
People were ringing the phones of their loved ones who
were on that plane, and the phones were ringing. Back then,
when a phone went in the water, it died. So
what happens when your phone is off it immediately goes

(02:12:30):
to voicemail. It doesn't ring go straight to voicemail. The
other issue was at just before that point, Facebook had
introduced the little blue dot that showed that you were
on Messenger, and these people, some of these people were

(02:12:51):
popping up on Facebook Messenger as being active. So if
their phones are dead, how are their profiles showing that
they are active online on Facebook at that time?

Speaker 4 (02:13:08):
Well, I mean that's that's your Hunterson true on that too.

Speaker 5 (02:13:11):
But I mean there's the correlation between the Chinese war
specialists and the scientists. You can't tell me somebody didn't
grab these people. There's a reason for that. There's a
reason for them that we just don't know what their
specialty was. And I honestly think that plan landed somewhere.

(02:13:34):
And I think you're right. I think in land somewhere.
I think everyone on board was either given the option
of playball or you know, something's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
But I don't think. I don't think that plane went
down anywhere.

Speaker 5 (02:13:45):
I think it's just another you know, black op for
some reason, because let's face that, I mean, maybe maybe
those Chinese were defecting and this was a whole plan.

Speaker 4 (02:13:55):
Yeah, we don't know. But to get that kind of technology,
what what would a government go to? You know what,
what wouldn't they go through to get it?

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
Yeah, and I would agree with you on that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
I think Canada did it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
Probably blame Canada. Let's just blame them for everything.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
To hit them with maple surf and the next thing
that they woke.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
Up you never know, You definitely never.

Speaker 4 (02:14:24):
Know woke up on in red and white. I didn't
know what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
All right. While we're waiting for more questions from our
audience tonight, I want to ask you what do you
think Let's go down the conspiratorial line here for a
second when it comes to cryptids, UFOs, paranormal. Those are
the ones who want to focus on what is the
what do you think is the best conspiracy theory in

(02:14:51):
each of the genre?

Speaker 5 (02:14:57):
Uh ufo best conspiracy. I'm gonna go with Eisenhower making
a deal with the Grays for technology.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
I think that's one of my favorite conspiracies for those
who don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:15:12):
Allegedly Eisenhower and then later Nixon, and then allegedly Bush
and Ford Well Ford and then Bush won in two
had communications with aliens. But there was the deal was
they had to basically let people be abducted and experimented

(02:15:35):
on for various technologies. That that's one, that's my favorite
one for UFOs Bigfoot conspiracy. I think the reason why
Bigfoot to this day and most cryptids have always been
kind of kept in the lo low and I'm saying
this is a religious person is because it upsets the

(02:15:57):
balance of religion.

Speaker 4 (02:15:59):
And here's why it would do that.

Speaker 5 (02:16:02):
People that don't know the Bible would say, you know,
God's created man in man's own image. But when you
read Genesis, Genesis says God made the things that are
seen and unseen and you know, visible and invisible. So
that to me kind of covers everything in the universe.
Because I'm a big, big believer. Yeah, I know, we've

(02:16:22):
had this discussion.

Speaker 4 (02:16:24):
I'm a believer.

Speaker 5 (02:16:24):
I believe God created the universe everything in it. That's
just me, that's where my head goes. But i think
one of the big problems with Bigfoot is You've got
a lot of people out there that would say, well,
you know, if God was made and you know man
has made God's envision, what the hell is this thing?
And if it's got half human DNA, Then how do
you explain that? So I think that the reason why

(02:16:47):
they keep all that quiet is because they're afraid of
upstreading some religion.

Speaker 4 (02:16:51):
And if you think about it makes sense, and I'll
tell you why they originally did it.

Speaker 5 (02:16:55):
I'm a firm believer that Jefferson knew about Bigfoot the
hairy Man when he sent Lewis and Clark out west,
because he told him point blank, you're going to run
into these things. This is why we need you to
befriend the Native Americans because they know how to deal
with them.

Speaker 4 (02:17:09):
But these things are going to.

Speaker 5 (02:17:10):
Be I mean, I've got depictions in some of the
original Lewis and Clark's right here before pre nineteen fifty
five when they changed them, that showed depictions of the Harryman.
They showed Lewis and Clark basically talking to a Bigfoot
with Native Americans, so they knew that was going to happen.
And I think Jefferson, being the brilliant man he was,

(02:17:31):
knew that we needed westward expansion for the country to grow.
And the reason why we didn't have it is because
the British were going to come down from guess where,
Canada so we had to go ahead and territorize all
that area. And I think they knew everything they were
going to run into. So I think since Jeffersonian times
we've known all about Bigfoot, but there's always been that

(02:17:54):
fear that if it was released that would have upset
some of the religions that.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
Well, my, that's that's my theory on Bigfoot. Uh. And
it was a paranormal? What was it that was big foot?

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
UFO want paranormal?

Speaker 4 (02:18:08):
Paranormal?

Speaker 5 (02:18:11):
See, that's another paranormal because it's such a huge topic.
Like everything we like, everything's paranormal. If you don't understand it,
does that make.

Speaker 1 (02:18:22):
Sense, You're you're cheaping out.

Speaker 4 (02:18:27):
Yeah, I mean you can't. You can't just say, Okay,
this and that is paranormal.

Speaker 5 (02:18:32):
If I don't understand something, it's basically paranormal, or most
people don't, you know. But I think that when you
start talking about the veil and things like that, and
let's just say that part of paranormal, Like we'll just
talk about the veil, all right, I believe in it.

Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
I'm sorry. I've seen too much. I've seen things I
can't explain.

Speaker 5 (02:18:50):
I've seen that things that don't make sense, and it's
scientific area that the laws of physics don't seem to apply,
and I think think it's just another.

Speaker 4 (02:19:03):
Dimension almost that can pour in the wires.

Speaker 5 (02:19:06):
I think ghosts, in my opinion, are just points of
energy that are frozen in time. An example would that
be I always correlate that to like a Christmas ghost.

Speaker 4 (02:19:17):
When I was a kid in my dad's mom's house.

Speaker 5 (02:19:20):
We used to see, or we used to think we'd
see like this old lady by the stove cooking, and
every one of the family sawed at one point. And
it wasn't until many years later that we realized it
was our great grandmother and she had been cooking up
the stove because that's basically where she spent all her time,
you know, making sure her family ain't healthy. So we

(02:19:42):
were never scared of it, but I had, you know,
different relatives would see this entity in different various points
of its age, if that makes sense. I saw when
she was a little old lady. My sister might have
seen her when she was in her thirties, you know.
But every year Christmas we'd see something like that. I
think what that is is just you get enough energy that.

Speaker 4 (02:20:03):
The that stamp and time just repeats itself.

Speaker 5 (02:20:07):
And I think that's that's definitely part of the paranormal
that would be for me, that's definitely goes. But I
think the paranormal conspiracy or why it's cap shut is
because you can't really answer it.

Speaker 4 (02:20:18):
You don't have.

Speaker 5 (02:20:19):
Experts in the field, because you might have government entities
that know more than what we're going to know, because
they've had the ability to collect Look at the Vatican,
the catacombs for the Vatican.

Speaker 4 (02:20:30):
Can you imagine if.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
We had access to that as normal human beings, the
information we'd have on the paranormal or you know, devil worship,
all that stuff and all that stuff, all of that,
all of that would be you know open.

Speaker 4 (02:20:41):
But I think, uh, it's it's possibly due that.

Speaker 5 (02:20:44):
Uh one they're afraid people are going to be scared,
and two it's a way to control the populace because
knowledge is power. But I think that's two of the
biggest reasons for that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
If I were to choose my biggest UFO conspiracy is
And it's funny because I had been saying this not
to pat my own back, but I had been saying
this to our audience for years about the fact that
I believe that there is a UFO Pandora's box somewhere
in the Pentagon. And then a number of months ago,

(02:21:19):
former Secretary or Assistant Secretary of Defense Chris Mellon, who's
been on the UFO kick for the last number of years,
he came out saying there is a UFO Pandora's box
at the Pentagon.

Speaker 5 (02:21:35):
Well, you know what, I'll be the first one to
admit that's probably hunt cent true. But I look at
your former Canadian prime minister coming out at the UN
saying UFOs are real.

Speaker 4 (02:21:46):
We've known about him forever, and this is a guy.

Speaker 5 (02:21:48):
He's a former prime minister, he was Minister of Defense.
I'm sorry, minister. I apologize, minister, but this guy, that's
not a schmuck job. That is an important job. This
guy's coming out to the whole world saying UPO is
a real the US knows about him. And when you
realize when he did that, that's when they started releasing
all the information about the UFOs from from the military,

(02:22:08):
like they were showing the videos and things like that.
He started all that, So that all started, you know,
because he was like a whistleblower.

Speaker 4 (02:22:15):
But here's the thing with that.

Speaker 5 (02:22:18):
Can you imagine if if President Trump gets on the
television tomorrow and says, Okay, guys, we've kind of told
you everything that's going on, so now here's We've been
kind of holding back on this one, but here's what's
going on. Thirty one Atlas is probably a spaceship. It
just changes direction and speed again. And by the way,
we don't know what it wants. Have a great day?

(02:22:39):
How could you you know you will have the world
will just completely obliterate itself.

Speaker 4 (02:22:46):
It'll eat itself.

Speaker 5 (02:22:48):
Who's gonna be if you think the alien invasions coming,
it's going to the end of the world.

Speaker 4 (02:22:51):
How many people gonna bay the laws? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
I conspiracy around that. Yeah, And I remember asking Loue
Elizondo on a private on a private phone call. I
asked him point blank, I said, were you guys monitoring
how people treated each other during the COVID pandemic? And

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he goes, yes, we were because they wanted to see
how people would react and study a global pandemic to
see how people were treating each other. And we didn't
treat each other very well. Neighbors were ratting out neighbors,
People steal it, you know, getting ten jugs of milk

(02:23:38):
and saying screw you to the mother, the single mother
with two kids, or the single father with two kids.
We don't need to give those examples, but that's just
a couple of what was going on. And he basically said,
we failed. What are we going to do if all
of a sudden we announced aliens are here?

Speaker 11 (02:23:59):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:24:00):
You cannot The human being is the worst thing that's
ever happened to this planet.

Speaker 4 (02:24:05):
Human we're blights number one.

Speaker 5 (02:24:08):
Number two, we can't get along with ourselves on our
own planet. We've got beeps going on for three thousand
years in certain areas, all right. And number four is
if you're a highly intelligent embrace and you're looking at
us and you're thinking, hey, should we let should we
give these guys the keys to the kingdom, you know,
give them all this technology, give them warp drive, give

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them spaceships.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
I say no.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
And on that note, I'm going to get you to
hold on. Right there, We're going to go to our
final break of the night. Christian McCleod, the cryptid Guy,
crypti guy dot com, Christina Scrypteddril dot com. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 11 (02:24:49):
This is spaced out radio and your hosts name Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:25:13):
I yeah, bad cop. I will clean it up for
what I said, Okay, I said that I believe the
flight was taken to Diego Garcia in the Pacific. I
said nothing about MH three seventy flying over the Indian Ocean.

(02:25:34):
I know it was in the Indian Ocean.

Speaker 4 (02:25:37):
Okay, we don't even know where it went though, because.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
That's what I'm saying. But that's why I said. I
think it went over the Pacific to Diego Garcia.

Speaker 4 (02:25:49):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
It just makes sense. So I just want to clarify
that because it's like the plane was over in the
Indian Ocean, and I said, yes.

Speaker 4 (02:26:00):
I know, but yeah, there's no one on the planet.

Speaker 5 (02:26:06):
There's there's no cunture on the planet that would want
those people dead. They would want them, they'd want their
information or at least their computers. So if the if
the thing went in to drink, it's it's it's a waste.
H I mean, that's I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:26:22):
With you on this.

Speaker 5 (02:26:22):
I completely believe it. I was under the impression and
it was forced down on a massive aircraft carrier. I
had heard that one too, but I you know these
you never know.

Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
I don't see that one happening.

Speaker 4 (02:26:37):
I don't know. I saw see thirty one hercules land
on an aircraft carrier.

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
That's an impressive video.

Speaker 4 (02:26:43):
That is crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:26:44):
That's an impressive video.

Speaker 4 (02:26:47):
Did you saw that right?

Speaker 1 (02:26:49):
I've seen that video.

Speaker 4 (02:26:52):
The whole boat rocks when that thing lands, right.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Yeah. I don't really understand how they we're able to
even take off with it.

Speaker 4 (02:27:02):
I want to be here's my thing. Can you imagine
being the guy says, hey, I got an idea. Let's
let's try that. Let's try this, Let's see how bad
this will work.

Speaker 1 (02:27:11):
Pilots Military pilots are crazy enough just think that's a
good idea.

Speaker 5 (02:27:16):
Well, but they're that good too, and oh yeah, they're
very good. They got the computers. You know, they'll tell them, hey,
you need you know, some messed up though. I mean,
did you ever you see did you see it land?
Then you see it take off.

Speaker 1 (02:27:30):
I never saw the video of it taking off. I
saw it of it landing.

Speaker 5 (02:27:33):
When it takes off, it's got it backs all the
way up like it's the back end of the plane
is hanging out over the water, and then it just
lights them up and you hear the engines and all
was it six six engines and all six engines are
like reving up, and then he just gooses it and

(02:27:55):
that thing just goes who and when it takes off,
it drops and then boom. It's like warp drive. It's crazy, crazy,
like how do we have this technology or that? Have
you said a new space plane that has a vertical line?

Speaker 4 (02:28:11):
Yes, that was awesome. Where's that? Why don't I have
that my driveway?

Speaker 9 (02:28:17):
Well?

Speaker 5 (02:28:17):
Wayne for that, let's turn the super ru into that. Here,
here's the keys. All right, see you in twenty minutes. Dave,
you don't get to fly it.

Speaker 4 (02:28:28):
Uh huh, you'll break it and you'll blame me.

Speaker 5 (02:28:32):
Yeah huh, I know you, you'll do that.

Speaker 4 (02:28:36):
I'm going to see Day first.

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
Yeah, you gotta come see me. Then we're going to
Taco bell.

Speaker 4 (02:28:41):
I mean one that usually drives anyway. Damn, we're not
this time. You're gonna warp drive. We're going to get
Day first out. Don't go to Vegas. Yeah you could
have one that way home. That's fair. I'll be drunk.

Speaker 1 (02:28:56):
We'll be drinking beers outside of my fire pit.

Speaker 4 (02:29:00):
Right then we'll go right to Then it's Vegas.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Hey, got to drive to Vancouver six hours first, though, If.

Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
We got warp drive, we can get there a couple
of minutes. True. True, you can't forget your walle will
go back and get it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
We'll park it where they park the Janet Jets. Kind
of swill? Are you on tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:29:25):
Guennis?

Speaker 1 (02:29:30):
Oh my god? Why not just drink tar? It's pretty
much the same thing.

Speaker 4 (02:29:36):
Let me tell you something. There's nothing about vitamins and
minerals in this bad boy. So you need what? Are
you drinking water?

Speaker 1 (02:29:46):
I'm I'm chunky. I don't need anything else.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
You want a fishing water? Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:29:57):
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Speaker 4 (02:30:35):
Here we go, he need you taco bell stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:30:56):
Here we go with the final half hour of Space
Down Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott. Christian McCloud
is going the distance, filling in for an ailing Robin Haynes. Conspiracies.
That's what we're talking about right now. But before we
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Christian McLoud top of the or. He is our guest
at the bottom of the hour. He's been our guest
the whole show. And if you hear a nice little
giggle and chortle, that is his research partner, his life partner,

(02:31:59):
his best friend in the world. Christina the Cryptied Girl.
Good to have you guys here.

Speaker 4 (02:32:05):
I'm a lucky man, Dave, I'm a lucky man. Oh,
I'm a.

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
Lucky Oh yes, I know how lucky I am too.
They know how lucky I am, all right in.

Speaker 4 (02:32:17):
That tattooed on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:18):
But I'm going to okay, So I've given you my
UFO conspiracy. My cryptid conspiracy is that Bigfoot is not
flesh and blood. I do not believe it is. Well,
it probably is, but I just I'm being a bad

(02:32:40):
guy here. You seem dumbfounded by this.

Speaker 5 (02:32:47):
As intelligent as you are, most people wouldn't know how.

Speaker 4 (02:32:51):
Brilliant you are by listening to you on your radio show.

Speaker 5 (02:32:54):
But when you get Dave like and you have a
conversation Dave, he's usual, this car's a guy in the room.
He's very polite about it. And this is the one
thing we differ on. Is it possible that Bigfoot can
do things mentally? Maybe the mind speed thing. I have
never been a fan of that, Rob. That's Robin's issue.

(02:33:20):
Are they transdimensional? Is that why they can just vanish
and disappear? I don't think so. I think they're just
so intelligent and so adept to their environment they can
literally just vanish in front of you by climbing a
tree or hiding or just being camouflaged I honestly think
that's what they do. And I know people say, well,
the tracks just vanish and disappear, and I know you've

(02:33:41):
had issues where they just vanish and disappear.

Speaker 4 (02:33:43):
I don't think that's what's happening. And I think they
actually have something. I think they're like polar bears.

Speaker 5 (02:33:48):
I think the hair in their body is capable of
just kind of blending in with their surrounds. I think
it might absorb light or something of that nature. But
I just don't think you know that there's anything.

Speaker 4 (02:34:02):
Woo about him.

Speaker 5 (02:34:03):
And I let me say this because I will say this,
I'm ninety five percent sure that's I'm right.

Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
Well, I give I'll give you that five percent chance
that they do have the woo woo, but I'm.

Speaker 5 (02:34:15):
Pretty much con I'm ninety five percent sure they are
corporeal flesh and blood. They're just highly intelligent, and they
are just perfectly camouflaged for their environment, and they are
incredibly fast.

Speaker 7 (02:34:28):
Yeah, I think their hair just has something that makes
it not reflect light in the same way. Plus, have
you ever seen pictures of snow leopards where you just,
I know there's a snow leopard in the picture, but
it takes me thirty minutes to find it because they
camouflage so well.

Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
And you know what, I can tell you a story
where my buddy Mark and I were driving along a
forest road and he goes, there's a moose. I stopped
the vehicle, I said, where he goes right there, and
I'm looking in the trees about thirty feet away from me.
I cannot see this moose. And until I saw a

(02:35:11):
branch move. That's when all of a sudden, my eyes
focused in and I could see the hind legs and
the butt and the back torso of this moose. And
otherwise I did not see it. I could not see
it at all. And it's and you know, we joke

(02:35:32):
around here, because I live in a hunting community. We
joke around here, how many deer or moose or grouse
or rabbits have you driven by that you didn't even see?

Speaker 5 (02:35:46):
Well, it's the same. We did this thing. About eight
years ago. We had Tiny. I've told you about Tiny.
Tiny's about seven foot. He's down about four fifty now,
but he was around five hundred pounds. Big guy, big guy,
Buddy's it's all. He's just solid. He's just a big guy.
And we put him in a little jungle kind of outfit,

(02:36:07):
in a Gillie suit, and we put him seven feet
off the path, seven feet off the path by a trail,
and there was there was a set of trees and
they were all pine trees, and there were some good
sized pine trees.

Speaker 4 (02:36:19):
We had seventy five people walk by him within five
feet of him and never saw them, not one of them,
not one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
Yeah. Nature has a way of camouflaging itself. And I
agree with what Christina said about how the hair of
these animals seems to reflect or refract light, and I
think you're right on that. And they have you know,
I mean you look at even a tiger with orange
stripes and yet range should stick out in the middle

(02:36:53):
of a forest, and it doesn't. It blends right in
with the other colors perfectly.

Speaker 4 (02:36:59):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:37:00):
Digital camouflage the military has too. You think when you
see it, you're thinking yourself that you're gonna see this.
It's digital. It's like, you know, as those squares and
they stand in front of something like they vanish. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's and like nothing, you know, it's ever
gonna top camouflage like nature.

Speaker 4 (02:37:16):
Nature.

Speaker 12 (02:37:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:37:17):
Yeah, that's nature. It's the way it's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (02:37:20):
But either way, I think the whole concept is brilliant
because if said they are having you know, issues, and
they can do stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (02:37:28):
I either way, it's still fascinating.

Speaker 1 (02:37:30):
Parent Marv is gripen on me here, he says. He says,
if Bigfoot isn't flesh and blood, then how is it
throwing rocks, bending trees, stealing deer from hunters, et cetera.
I'm not saying it doesn't feed, Okay, I don't know

(02:37:51):
if it's flesh and blood. And my determination of the
flesh and blood would be like a deer or a
moose or a bear, that type of flesh and blood.
I think there's something more special about this creature that
has the ability to do things we do not understand.
So could it have flesh and blood going through its veins?
Does it need to feed? Does it need to poop?

(02:38:12):
Does it need to you know, play a game of
Canasta at the Old Folks Home? Possibly? Possibly. I'm just
saying we can't rule it out because we don't know.
And yeah, mm hmm, you never ever want to get
into a game of Canasta with a bunch of silver

(02:38:33):
hairs at the old folks home. You don't, you will
get torn apart.

Speaker 4 (02:38:38):
Oh yeah, they'll kill you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:38:43):
People like my grandmother, God bless her. I still have
a grandma left. Okay, her fists from being an old
farm girl. She could still crank me in the shoulder
and it'll hurt. Oh yeah, I never piss off my
grandmother because.

Speaker 4 (02:39:03):
Of that stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:39:04):
As a wolf man for Halloween ninety five, Grandma is
something to talk.

Speaker 4 (02:39:11):
We'll talk about Grandma later.

Speaker 1 (02:39:13):
By the way, have you a total change of topic
here for a second. Have you heard any increase in
were wolf sightings?

Speaker 4 (02:39:25):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (02:39:27):
How you know what's funny you say that Ashville? You know,
I do haunted Ashville towards for some reason, for some reason,
So where wolf and dog man sightings in Ashville has
gone ridiculously, I've never seen it like this.

Speaker 1 (02:39:44):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:39:44):
In fact, if you if you go on YouTube and
just type in Ashville, uh, and then you know dog
man or where were all these stories?

Speaker 4 (02:39:53):
Is boom boo boo.

Speaker 5 (02:39:53):
Boom boo boo boom boom boom, uh. And it's it's crazy.
We haven't just for the audience now, we haven't discuss
they've just brought this up, and this is a topic
Christine and I were talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
I was talking about this last night on my tour.

Speaker 7 (02:40:07):
The number of reports online lately have just gone quite crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:40:12):
It's crazy, and it's it's all in this area, and
it's very very strange because we physically haven't seen anything,
of course, but the amount of reports, the amount of
people saying these things.

Speaker 5 (02:40:26):
I know for a fact there was a couple that
actually tried reporting it to the police and.

Speaker 4 (02:40:30):
They just hung up on them, like, we're not listening
to this, Frank.

Speaker 1 (02:40:35):
I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, a
paranormal friend of mine who lives about forty five minutes
north of me. In her area where she goes looking
for paranormal she runs into these people who have a
campfire going out, and you know, she says, Hey, anything

(02:40:56):
odd happening tonight. Yeah, we were just listening to the
were wolf Howell. There's been two werewolf sightings in that
same area within the last couple of months.

Speaker 5 (02:41:12):
It does not surprise me, Honestly, it doesn't surprise me.
I think, uh, you know, a dog man sino sephal.
I think that's an entity or a creature that's been
with us since the inception of time.

Speaker 4 (02:41:26):
You know, it's an historic narrative.

Speaker 5 (02:41:28):
You Know what's funny too, Dave, is every civilization on
the planet, doesn't matter where it is, every civilization on
the planet it is a werewolf folklore mythos and a
vampire folk or mythos. How is that possible when you
can have an Inuit, Indian or Native and then a
group of people in the Spacific, uh, living on an

(02:41:50):
island that's completely isolated, but yet they have a vampire
and werewolf folklore.

Speaker 7 (02:41:55):
Yeah, ancient civilizations ancient yeah, I mean you're talking thousands
of years.

Speaker 5 (02:42:00):
I mean, look at look at all the folklore culture
on just Glad being paler.

Speaker 4 (02:42:04):
You know, and realistically was he a bad guy to say?

Speaker 5 (02:42:08):
But uh, you know, we we don't really know a
whole lot about these things because people don't take them seriously.
And then when you look at the Middle Ages, the
way they're like that, I mean, uh, I'm sure you've
seen it, but they you know, in the eighteen eighteen fifties,
eighteen sixties, you should sell vampire killing kids, you know,
and and if you were going you know towards uh,

(02:42:29):
let's say Middle Europe, you usually bought one just in
case because the vampire you were worried about the.

Speaker 4 (02:42:34):
Vampires garlic state.

Speaker 5 (02:42:38):
So it's it's just it's just one of those things
I've always been fascinated by that werewolves are one of
the things. I shouldn't say this because I'm not going
to agree from it, but werewolves are always one of
the things that have kind of they fascinated but scare
the hell out of me, because you know, I'm from
Maine originally, and when I was a kid, I made
the mistake of watching silver Bullet and then I have

(02:43:00):
to walk home after football practice, like in the fall,
and of course you know this time of year in May,
and it's dark, you know, right around five, so you
start hearing things. And of course where I lived there
was no street light, so that was even better. So
I always that was always kind of like a fear
of mind. It's like a werewolf coming out of the woods.

Speaker 4 (02:43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:43:20):
I don't know why I just admitted that, But why
do you think all of a sudden there's an increase
in people having these sightings and they're not describing a dog,
ban they're describing a werewolf. With toward clothes on, you know,
like right now, I think we're in a full moon.

Speaker 7 (02:43:38):
Yeah, we get more dogman stuff during the full moons.
I notice a lot more dog man activity around here
during the full moons.

Speaker 4 (02:43:48):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 7 (02:43:49):
I mean, they're in the area all the time, but
we hear more of them their activity and stuff during
the full moons and notice it more. But a lot
of the reports that we've read online, especially the Ashville ones,
are a little crazy. I mean we've read reports of
places that we were there. We were there, and we

(02:44:10):
didn't see anywhere wolf. But I think I think to
answer that question, I think the religious part of me
wants to say, because the world's becoming more evil and.

Speaker 4 (02:44:21):
Maybe we're close to the end of days. Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:44:24):
And even in the Bible it talks about like the
beefs that height under ground are going to ten percent
of the population.

Speaker 4 (02:44:31):
Uh. And and who's to say these things aren't.

Speaker 5 (02:44:34):
I think there's just if you want to look at
it like a human being transmogrifying into an animal, I
would say that that was probably because there's just more
evil in the world now and it's just becoming so blatant.

Speaker 3 (02:44:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:44:47):
That no one said, no one cares. And I think
it's that's that's the problem with evil. If you just
keep ignoring it, it's gonna get bigger and bigger and
bigger and more powerful.

Speaker 9 (02:44:56):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:44:56):
And and that's why we have the problems we have
because finally we're.

Speaker 4 (02:45:00):
We're out of that phase. You know.

Speaker 5 (02:45:01):
I think when when people look back at this, you know,
ten years ago in history, when we had that political
correct error, they're going to see how horrible that really
was and how much damage that actually did to society
because we just paid we didn't pay attention to things
we should have been.

Speaker 4 (02:45:16):
And I think this is an offset of that.

Speaker 5 (02:45:18):
I think that the evil can manifest more now, and
it's it's it's probably growing maybe, and uh, you know,
and and there's a lot of uh, Satanic worship out there.
That's a big that's a real thing. People think that's
a joke. That is a real thing. So I think
maybe it's a combination of that truth is. I don't know,

(02:45:38):
but I would not want to run into one. I
will say that, and people, you know, I'll go out
and look for dog man bigfoot that those things don't
bug me.

Speaker 4 (02:45:47):
But when you're dealing with the demonic entity. I gotta
draw a line. Yeah, that's fun is that's that's something different.

Speaker 5 (02:45:54):
I mean, you know, if if you were prepared and
he knew its weaknesses and things like that, that be one thing.
But the truth of matters, we don't know if any
of the folks are about silver or or anything like.
That's true.

Speaker 4 (02:46:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:46:08):
And and you can't deal with something if you don't
know how to you know, take care of it.

Speaker 4 (02:46:13):
Uh, you know, And it's just one of those things
that we have silver bull. I mean you can well yeah,
I mean, well you know, yeah, I mean we do.
But can we clear fa are we using dog man wolf? Now?
We're wolf and dog Man are two things paramarrtle different.

Speaker 5 (02:46:29):
We're Wolf is some human being that transmographies into an animal.

Speaker 4 (02:46:33):
Dog Man you know, Ceph Fly is born dog man.

Speaker 7 (02:46:36):
You ceply I'm not, honestly, I'm not sure I believe
in the whole werewolf thing.

Speaker 4 (02:46:41):
I don't know if I believe that you could actually transform.

Speaker 7 (02:46:44):
I definitely know that dog Man exists, but I'm still
a little skeptical that way.

Speaker 5 (02:46:49):
Well, I mean here's the thing though, but if if
people are seeing you know, uh, those they're ripped.

Speaker 4 (02:46:55):
That looks like something of a movie. Definitely, that's you know,
and then they're not.

Speaker 5 (02:46:59):
I mean, if people being honest when they say this stuff,
you know, there's no other way to explain it.

Speaker 4 (02:47:05):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (02:47:06):
You're not gonna put You're not gonna put We're gonna
put a flannel shirt on a yeah, a dog man,
it's not that's not what he's gonna do. So, I mean,
you know, it's one of these things. The older I get,
the more I believe, if that makes sense, because it's
it's like, you know, again, if you said twenty years ago,
do you believe, and I would have said absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (02:47:23):
And and these days, you know, it's like the older.

Speaker 5 (02:47:25):
I get, the more I think it's possible.

Speaker 4 (02:47:29):
And I like this. I'm skeptical but fascinated. You know that.
That's exactly That's why I look at it.

Speaker 5 (02:47:35):
Is it possible? Yeah, But then again I don't. I
don't wrong, I don't. I don't say anything's out of
roun possibility anymore. That's why, you know. One of the
reasons why that is actually because I met you, Dave.
Because prior to meeting Dave and talking to Dave, if
you were to asked me if I thought there was
any perchance, any any chance at all of a bigfoot
being uh in the woo woo, I would say hell now,

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absolutely not. But after talking to Dave and Dave sharing
some of his experiences with me, and I know him
to be an honest man, and I believe him, And
like I said, I stand by what I say, and
I see what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:48:09):
Dave is a brilliant guy.

Speaker 5 (02:48:10):
So Dave's telling me something that's happened to him in
one of his investigations, you can bank on it. And
he's one of the people that that made me think, well.

Speaker 4 (02:48:18):
Maybe it's possible. And then you hear some of these crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:48:20):
Stories, like we have friends of ours in common that
come up with this crazy stuff. I'm not going to
rag on him, but it's just hard to choke all
that down. But it's totally possible. Anything it's possible makes
you feel like that, ain't makes you feel like that?

Speaker 4 (02:48:36):
Yes, I'll wear the hat next to month.

Speaker 1 (02:48:42):
Three minutes to go. Yeah, my paranormal.

Speaker 4 (02:48:52):
I really thought that was a good comment.

Speaker 7 (02:48:55):
It's possible that the full moon does make it's just
more visible and people are more likely to see.

Speaker 4 (02:49:00):
It and stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:49:00):
Then what I'm talking about is more things that I
that I've heard and felt. But it's definitely possible that
sightings to go up during the full moon because it's
more light, more visibility.

Speaker 1 (02:49:12):
That comment, well, final comment. My my conspiracy for the
paranormal is this dun dun, dumb that there are no
such thing as ghosts, that we're dealing with people on
different timelines.

Speaker 5 (02:49:37):
I mean, that would explain that would explain sightings. Yeah,
I mean because realistically, you know, most people don't realize this.
A ghost is never hurt or communicated with anyone. When
you see ghosts, it's just doing a certain thing, a
certain particular thing that it's probably been doing, and it's
it's it's just locked in that space of time because
that's where that particular energy is doing. So that I

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would not throw that out our own possibility, that's actually
pretty good. I might steal that, Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:50:06):
Yeah, And it's all because of what happened to us
up here where we had on the Old Gold Rush trail.
It was about nine o'clock at night and we had
come in contact with a Chinese couple on the trail
and we were chatting with them we figured out that
they had two horses and a carriage, and we were

(02:50:30):
standing in the middle of the road, and before we
knew they had the horse and the carriage. We said goodbye,
but all of our machinery was still going off like
they were waiting for us to move, Like we were
in the middle of the trail. And as we parted
from the trail, you could see there were nine of
us with nine take k two meters. You could see

(02:50:54):
the k two meters going from bright red back down
to green as the trailer and the horses and the
people move by. So were we the ghosts to them
or were they the ghost to us? Or did we

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intercept a different timeline that night?

Speaker 4 (02:51:20):
I mean, that's a cool way to think of it,
really is.

Speaker 1 (02:51:24):
Christian. We got about a minute to go here. Do
me a favor. Tell everybody where they can find you,
your work, your websites.

Speaker 4 (02:51:33):
We are very easy to find.

Speaker 5 (02:51:35):
You can get us at cryptidguide dot com or americancryptin
Paranormal Society dot com. Christina has Actually cryptigirl dot com
is a real website just links right to ours, and
then of course you can call us at one eight
hundred three two nine four eight five one. If you
have any reports you want to talk to us about
and uh, you know you get us on Facebook AMERICANCRYPTI Paranormal.

Speaker 4 (02:52:00):
Well, I would really love it if people would start
following us on X. We had to start over on X.

Speaker 5 (02:52:06):
Somehow our account got completely deleted, so one point we
had about thy twelve hundred followers and now we're going
to like sixty, so we had to start over. So
if you could follow us on X, it's at cryptid
and of course on.

Speaker 4 (02:52:20):
Thank you then.

Speaker 1 (02:52:23):
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