Nov. 6/25 - The Rendlesham UFO with Mark Christopher Lee - Spaced Out Radio

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We have a show for you tonight. We're going to
talk about the Rendalsham Forrest UFO incident back in the
nineteen eighties. Movie director Mark Christopher Lee is here to

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talk about his latest film on that great subject. Then
in our number three Swamp Dweller will kick things off.
Fold that up. The UFO Wizard will be here another
night for another UFO anniversary, this time in Chicago. We're
going to get to that later on. Mark Christopher Lee
is a British filmmaker, UFO researcher at Cult Broadcasters, celebrated

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for his fearless storytelling and sharp, working class perspective on
the unexplained. Known for blending raw investigative journalism with biting
British humor, Mark has become one of the UK's most
distinctive and outspoken voices in UFO and paranormal media. His films,
including The Paranormal UFO Connection, UFO Encounters of the Fifth

(03:57):
Kind and Rendelsham The British Roswell We have captivated global
audiences and earned him a Best Director nomination at the
rain Dance Film Festival. Through his unique approach, Mark has
bridged the world of the UFO research, spirituality, and government
secrecy with the authenticy and edge that a good storyteller

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always has. Let's bring him on in, Mark Christopher Lee,
Welcome to spaced Out Radio for the first time. How
are you?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Great, really excited to be on your show. Thank you
for having me.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Dave Well, we should say good morning to you because
you know, here in British Columbia, on the west coast
of North America, it's still yesterday for you.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
It is. It's the early hours of the morning. I've
got up especially, and I've got coffee on the go,
So let's.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Go beautiful, beautiful. How did you fall in love with
the UFO subject?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
It was when I was a kid.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
I had a weird experience myself, which I'll go into later.
But then also at the same time, there was a
TV program here in the UK called Arthur C.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Clark's Mysterious World.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Arthur C.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Clark was the author of two thousand and one Space Odyssey.
It was a proper scientist, but then he did this
amazing TV series into unexplained phenomena.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
So we did Bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
He did ghosts, paranormal stuff, and he did UFOs and
that just kind of opened my mind and I really
got into it as a kid.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
And there was a magazine at the same time called The.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Unexplained, which is really good, came out monthly and had
all these different UFO sightings and it was like, Wow,
this is amazing. And that kind of drifted away a
little bit, went to university, etc. And I guess then
it was The X Files that came out and that
kind of stoked my interest a lot. Going back to
this Unexplained phenomena and my most recent film, I was

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lucky enough to work with one of the stars from
The X Files.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
William B.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
William Davis, a cigarette smoking man. I met him, you know, wow, Yeah,
he is Canadians.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I met him in nineteen ninety six when I was
in broadcasting school and he came to speak to us
about being on television and broadcasting and being natural and
teaching us how to work in front of a camera.
He was amazing.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
He is amazing, and we recorded him virtually because he
was a studio in Vancouver. We hired and we just
zoomed in to direct him, but we didn't need to.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
He is so good, so it was an honor to
work with him.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
His voice adds a different mysterious element to the film.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh for sure. For sure, you are a beautiful storyteller,
whether you're printing or whether you're on film. I've caught
some of your clips over studying to have you come
on this show. And the one thing that I and
you know around here in North America, one of the

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things that I think many people enjoy is the British
accent because it just sounds so much more authoritative and knowledgeable.
I don't know why, but it does. But I mean,
the way you're able to tell a story and put
words together, you make it very eloquent, you make it

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very very demure to look into these types of subjects
with a professionalism that many people don't give it.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Okay, thank you, that's a nice observation.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
I mean, all I can say is that me and
my crew, Roderick Godman's my co director, Guy Thompson, my
best buddy who I do these investigations with, we do
take a different approach because there's a lot of kind
of very very cliched UFO paranormal documentaries films out there,
and they do the same thing the time. We just

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want to make it a little bit different, and I'm
glad that comes across a little bit you know, educated,
but also entertaining, because you know, making a film, you
want people to watch it, and my mission, I guess,
the way I want to serve the world is to
get people that into this subject a bit more, especially
in the UK, because you know in Canada, in the US,

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you take it a bit more seriously, especially UFOs, whereas
in the UK it's still very much a jokey taboo subjects.
So I want to draw people in, which is why
my last film I actually did was called The King
of UFOs, which was about the British Royle family's interest
in the UFO's paranormal crop circles, which not many people

(08:45):
were aware of, and I kind of use that as
a way. Well, the royal family they were looking at it,
so maybe it's not that weird.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yes, you know, Prince Philip had a large curiosity about Ufo,
and I believe it was his uncle or cousin that
had a close encounter sighting.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
It was Lord Lord Louis mount Batton, his uncle, and
it was this citing that his it was his workman
was working on his estate down in Hampshire in England,
and he saw this craft land at this Broadlands estate
in Hampshire and knocked this guy off his bike and

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Matt Batten wasn't there, didn't see it. But this guy
did enough of David which Lord Maunt Batton signed and
vouched for his honesty and how it affected him. But
Matt Batton was also an admiral of the Navy. He
had UFO sightings whust that see documented them. So he
passed this kind of knowledge and interest onto Prince Philip.

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Prince Philip used to have subscribe to Flying Saucer Review
and there was even talk of an alleged meeting that
will most happened with an alien called Janus at a
flat in Chelsea. Basically, Prince Philip had a private secretary
called Sir Peter Horseley. Sir Peter Horseley was in contact

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with this alleged ailing called Janus and he wanted to
meet Prince Philip to share a message to save humanity
and all this, I mean most likely turns out it
was a Russian spy, but it's still a really interesting
story and shows how you know how much the Royal
family we're into UFOs, and I wonder how much King Charles's,

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you know, interest has been piqued by his family.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Do you think the royal family has a lot of
history with UFOs.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
I do, yeah, absolutely, and I think it comes down to,
like I said, Lord Matt Batton and then Prince Philip,
and then King Charles himself.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
When he was Prince he was very much in wins By.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
There was an Africana environmentalist called Laurence van der Post.
He was a bit of a philosopher, I guess, and
he was proposing that all life is connected, including extraterrestrial life,
and that we can communicate telepathically, synchronicity, meaningful coincidence, coincidences

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were things to look out for. So yeah, I definitely
think that the Raw family are into weird stuff and
it's obviously kept secret from the public for obvious reasons.
And during this film the Rendelsham UFO I spoke to
there's a chap called John Hanson who's a retired police
detective in the UK, very credible character. He wrote two

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books with Colonel Holt on Rendelsham, which we kind of
use a little bit in the film. And because John's
a producer of the film with Shirley, his wife, And
basically he sent these books to Buckingham Palace and he's
got a response from the Queen and Prince Philip saying
they enjoyed the books. They're going to add them to

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their own UFO collection. Had her own UFO library. How
mad is that?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
What do you think the future King William will have?
Do you think he has that same admiration for the
subject as his father and grandfather did?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
It's difficult to get any concrete information about this. The
only thing we managed to find is that one of
his homes, obviously, because the royal family have many homes
and it's all in the news over here.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
But Prince Andrew and all the scandals and stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
But Prince William and Princess Catherine, they have a home
in Norfolk. I think it's called Amner Hall, part of
the Saundringham State, which you might have heard of and
this and William's gone on record to say this house
is haunted and you know, the experienced paranormal phenomena at
their home, and it's some old Catholic priests who was

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executed and his ghosts is alleged to haunt this hall,
so you know, and his response to this when asked
about it, I said, yeah, you know, it's a well house.
They're all haunted, so he's definitely open to paranormal and
ghostly things.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
So why not UFOs.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, I'm pretty sure every castle and mentioned that they
own is haunted because they're all at least one hundred
plus two hundred years old or longer. I mean, there's
a lot of spirits walking through there. But the love
of UFOs In the UK, I talked to a lot
of people. We get a lot of people in our
chat room from the United Kingdom who watch each and

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every night we are on this show, and the consensus
is very simple. The UK government does not want to
talk about this subject. And why is that? Because I
noticed that Canada is like that too, And I'm not
sure if if if it's because you know, the Commonwealth

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way is, if we don't talk about it, it doesn't happen,
or if it's just because of the Five Eyes or
the United States or the pressure from the United States government.
What do you think it is? Why do you think
we're so silent on this subject?

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Really good question and something that comes up all the
time because we're trying to where we are starting a
UFO disclosure group here in the UK service. Any of
your bustiness and viewers out there who wants to get involved,
please get in touch with me because it is important
because they, like you say, they don't take it seriously.
It's still very much a jokey taboo subject and I

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think a lot of it is down to pressure from
the US, and I think especially with the Rendless Side
and what we found, it was initially you know, it
was a u FO citing this someone in.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Our film, an author called Richard Lawrence.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
He was one of the first investigators on the scene
and he phoned up Arif Ben Waters spoke.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
To someone there and they were chatting about it. Yeah,
it was at UFO.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
We're trying to get to the bottom of it, and
something definitely landed. And whilst he was on the phone
this person they had just shut him down and said, no,
it's classified to can't talk about it. And so I
think there was definitely pressure from the US to cover
it up. The reasons we can go into later, and
I think this is pretty much still the same now

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and they won't take it seriously, because.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
I don't think it's a couple of things.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Either they're covering up because they know what the truth is,
it's an alien craft, or it's secret tech which I
want to keep secret. And this either you know two
of those reasons, or they just don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
And it's embarrassing not to know what's in your airspace.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
And that's depinion of Nick Pope, the former Ministry of
Defense who used to look at UFOs for the UK government,
and that's what his opinion is is that you know,
with stuff in our resuppose we don't know what it is.
It's embarrassing. So why would we tell the public that
we don't know what it is? Let's scare them now.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
The UK does have a rich history of UFO sightings
outside of Randallsham. Of course, the next most popular would
be the Calvin UFO with with the major photograph that
people aren't sure if it was a diamond shape UFO
or if it's a reflection of the water. Was that
an AV eight B harrier trailing the UFO or is

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it a boat? I mean it's a very confusing photo
that you could really see both sides of it. What
with that rich history that the United Kingdom has. Why
do you think people are still so lackadaisical on it,
not just the politicians but the public in general.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
It's probably just our way of thinking.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's kind of out of our paradigm that we're kind
of currently, and it would force us to look at
life differently. And this is the big thing with you know,
et contact. It would change the way we think, the
way we live, and it's difficult for people to get
outside that bubble. But I think collectively definitely. But when

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you go because I go go to a lot of
film festivals, go to a lot of business meetings, just
normal everyday people and once they you know, they'll see
my pin badge, which would be an X files badge
or a UFO. It gets people talking and you can
guarantee that almost everyone in the room will have had
some sort of either paranormal or UFO encouncer. So, you know,

(17:49):
I think we could as a nation open up. It
just needs the right kind of people to give them
that safety, to give.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Them that permission. Maybe that's a big thing with the UK.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
We need permission to do stuff because the way we've
been brought up.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
So I think a lot of it is that.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Who do you think is controlling the secrets? Does it
go right up to the monarchy or is it above
and beyond that?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Oh, I'm not sure if it's above and beyond that.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
To be honest, I don't have any credible evidence for that,
but you know, I've got an open mind. I think
it's stops with the UK and US governments. Whether there's
a secret cabal that's overseeing that, I don't know, but
there's definitely a cover up in place. In my opinion,

(18:41):
I don't think the monarchy, you have to really don't
really have much political power in this country. The way
our parliamentary democracy works. They kind of figureheads they have
to sign off legislation and things that give royal assent,
but technically is just a process really and I think,

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you know, there's things that go on that they don't
know about. But we did find evidence that the Queen
was asking for briefings on Rendellsham particularly really yea, I
have so from the Thatcher government, but the Thattue government,
you know, we do also have evidence that they shut

(19:22):
down investigations into what happened there, and there was a
where there is still a great crop circle researcher here
in the UK called Colin Andrews, and he was investigating
crop circles scientifically for the Margaret Thatcher government and his

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research was shut down and was told not to talk
about it because he found evidence, you know, that these
things were being created by some technology. It could be
the same technology that's you know, behind the UFO sightings.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
So so there's.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
A different kind of threads to this with the Rendals story,
and which we can get into in more detail, but
we investigated in our film. You know, it could can't
rule that it could be alien craft, but it could
also be just top secret, really highly advanced technology that
we were testing out with the Americans, some sort of electromagnetic.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
EMP weapon system. Because I think with rendalsom for US.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Just going back to that, because that was the focus
of the film, you have to take the context of
where it was and when it was. It was at
the height of the Cold War in nineteen eighty, so
you know, the US and NATO were eventually you know,
virtually at war with Communist Russia Soviet Union, and so

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there's this Cold War going on and the arms race
where you know, more and more nuclear weapons were being
made but also there's always the enemy wanted to get
the edge on you, so they were testing out new
technologies and things like that. And ever since the Manhattan Projects,
and you know, the military have always wanted to weaponize physics.
And I think some of this was going on because

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at Rendolssro Forest not many people know, just right next
to it there are two secret UK government research stations.
One it Offeredness where the infamous lighthouse was, they were
testing radar technology and there was another one at Martlesham
Heath nearby. So it's feasible that they were you know,

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testing out some new highly advanced technology in the Renderson
Forest on nearby that weekend over Christmas nineteen eighty. And
the other thing that people don't really make the connection
with you mentioned Calvin, which could be the same technology
just you know, it could be part of the same program.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
But also going back.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Did you know, just twenty four hours I think it
was twenty four hours after the mentioned forest sighting, we
had the infamous cash landrum. Yes, both sighting you know,
where people also suffered you know, radiation sickness burns. Much
like Jim Peniston, John Burrows, we've both been medically retired

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from the US military. So there's lots of things going
on and it's really difficult to get to actually what happened.
But you know, we made an attempt. I don't claim
to have all the answers. I asked the questions trying
to find the information and propose theories.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, we're going to get into more of that when
we get back from the break. Here is we are
about a minute and forty five away from having to
hit our first break of the night mark this story
of Randallsham. Why was this important for you to do
this story?

Speaker 5 (23:01):
It was important because it is it's always been called
the British Roswell, but you know, everyone in the US
knows about Rosbot, but everyone in the UK knows about Rendillsham.
And there's so much because it happened on military basis,
and you had a deputy based command at Colonel Holt

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take it very seriously, wrote a memo to the UK government.
It's all documented something happened. There were radiation readings that
were above average, there's indentations of a craft of three
things found in the forest floor. When you add it
all up, there's a lot of evidence that something definitely happened,

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and it hasn't really been debunked. People have said the lighthouse,
which it wasn't, and people say, oh, it could have
been the essays play tricks, possibly, but I doubt it.
And so it's still still there and it's part of
British us folklore now. But what interested me, which we'll
get into later, is that it wasn't just that sighting.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
People have been back there since it had.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Very very weird paranormal cryptid ufo encounters at this forest.
There's something about the forest, yeah, which is why I
wanted to make this film.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
That makes it even more intriguing, doesn't it when you
can add other elements to it. Mark, I'm going to
get you to hold on right there because we are
going to go to our first break of the night.
Movie maker Mark Christopher Lee is here. He has a
great movie, great movie on the Rendalsham Forest incident. I

(24:42):
suggest you go check it on out. The Rendelsham Ufo
the British Roswell is what it's called, came out just
this year. It's a good one. It opens your eyes
to the actual cover up of what's truly going on.
We'll be right back, all right, We're clear, good start

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my man.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Thank you. It is a fascinating case.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Many people in the chat room are asking the pin
on your lapel, what is that?

Speaker 6 (25:32):
It says the truth is out there. It's an X Files.
Oh very nice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, all right, let's see who I'm missing in the
chat room here, Pat Leel, nice to have you here. Tokland,
nice to see you.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
M Let's see m. I saw the bootleg version of
this movie.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know you're doing something right when you get bootlegged. Yeah,
that's not I was watching my own shows on some
Russian rumble channel. That was nice. Big Jay, how are you?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
M m m m.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm just trying to read some of the comments.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
You're welcome, Kitty Cattie Wack Parasolo.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
I love the I love the X Files to Gary Jay.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I think because the X Files was created by Chris Carter,
who is brillianto unexplained phenomena, used to read the fourteen
times and get a lot of his stories from there,
so I took it very seriously.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know, I've never seen an episode. I mean, okay,
I've never I feel bad about that, considering I'm you know,
coming up on eleven years in this hot seat, and
I have never seen an episode of The X Files.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Well there's still time.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean I would say it's the best ones with
the ones that were filmed in Canada.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I'm not just saying that filmed in Vancouver, Washington. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, David Ducoveny didn't like the weather.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
No that we made them all move to l A,
didn't they It's yeah, everything changed.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
A bit then, yeah, it took away the flavor.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, the movie is good. Pilgrim Society, that's a good
intract to it.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
William B.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Davis is fantastic in it. Oh, it's a great great actor.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Someone all right, cand of Chef Chris, how are you?

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And t Nice to have you here, Dave. What was
the movie you mentioned before? I don't think I mentioned
a movie. Oh probably in the intro. Let me grab

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that for you. Let's see here, The Paranormal UFO Connection,
UFO Encounters of the Fifth Kind and Randallsham The British Roswell,
those are the movies I mentioned.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
The new one is The rend Us from the UFO
The British Worlds Well, which is out on Amazon Now
and Apple TV.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I might binge watch your shows this weekend.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, that is good.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I mean my one of my favorite films that I did,
it's called God Versus Aliens, which is is on two
B in Canada and the US, and that's about the
impacts the first content would have on the world's religions
and spirituality.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And that's an interesting that's a conversation that I love.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, I think you might like that one. Yeah, it's
not the it's not the biggest budget of films. I
haven't been to Roswell Julie Rios, which is I Need
to Don't Die.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah. Two B is a great lot of good stuff
on there.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Mitch Peleggi, shocker, Jeffrey Green, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Real life? Equivalent to William What? A cigarette and smoking man?
Quite possibly it's Dave Scott. I can smoke with the
best of.

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Travelers Club. Here we go. Mark Christopher Lee Rendelsham, the

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UK's roswell. Literally, what a story this is a lot
of people have heard the name Rendalsham, Mark, but a
lot of people don't know what truly happened. Could you
give us a synopsis of the incident?

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
It was a Christmas weekend twenty sixth, twenty seventh, twenty
eighth of December nineteen eighty. There were twin Air Force
bass in the UK called RIF Bentwaters and rf Woodbridge
very close together, basically surrounded by Rendolpshn Forest in Suffolk,

(32:22):
very mysterious ancient place, and during this weekend there were
various sightings of lights in the forest that various servicemen reported,
and eventually the deputy based Commander, Colonel Charles Holt, wanted
to put the UFO thing to bed, so he went out,

(32:44):
took his famous dictaphone with him and went into the
forest with some people, and then he recorded what he observed,
which were lights going through the forest, blinking and then
shooting up in the air, beams of light coming down.
But also previous to that, there was an alleged landing

(33:06):
of a triangular shaped craft on the forest floor, on
which serviceman Jim Peniston and John Burrows and say they saw.
Jim Peniston claimed to have gone up to this craft,
which had strange hieroglyphic markings on it, touched the craft

(33:26):
and later claimed he had a download of binary code
which was translated years later to some sort of message
about saving humanity and some mythical place called High Brazil.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
All very mysterious.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
The thing I would say with that when we did
our own investigation, I came home that night and all
I could see was ones and zeros.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Binary code in front of me.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Whether that was suggestion of whether it wasn't binary code download.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I don't know, but it's very weird.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
So yeah, that was that Christmas week end when it
all kicked off. Halts basically was spooked by it. He
was the best commander then he so he wrote a
memo to the UK Ministry of Defense and basically poop
pooed it and you know, didn't investigate any further. So

(34:21):
it still remains technically, you know, unsolved or nothing happened.
Something did, and what people don't know is that it
didn't just you know, end in nineteen eighty. People have
been going there since then and having their own UFO

(34:44):
and paranormal experiences there and that's what kind of instigated
me to look at this area because you know, everyone
knows about skin Walker Ranch and I think in the
this is the UK skin Walker Ranch. There is paranormal phenomena,
UFO phenomena. This even encrypted at Rerendlsham allegedly. So this

(35:06):
is what our film is about.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
My goodness. So, how many people had interaction with this
craft during the incident.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Over that Christmas weekend? At least two? Jim Peniston John Burrows.
There was another one who was nearby, Edward Cassenberg I
think his name was. But also there was also another
service person called Larry Warren. It's a bit of a
controversial figure within as he claims as well to have

(35:39):
you know, seen and interacted with the craft. He claims
to have seen aliens, but I do qualify, I'm not
I haven't found.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Any evidence Larry Warren.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Harris has his own story in the version of events,
which some people don't agree with. I'm being diplomatic here,
but what's the interesting is that there is a ex well,
the US military major Laurie ray Felts, and she's gone

(36:11):
on record recently to say that she experienced the UFO
phenomena and saw an alien gray in nineteen eighty just
before the Rendistion sighting. So she interacted with an alien
gray at Rendersham Forest ri f Bent was leading months

(36:33):
before the December nineteen eighty incident.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I've interviewed her.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
She's very, very credible, and she's convinced that what happened
to her was real, but it was paranormal and there
was a whole weirdness about the place she was telling
me about. So she was another person who's definitely experienced
something there. So yeah, there's various people have got on

(36:57):
the record to put their version of the And just
to give you some example of how weird it gets,
this if you can see it. This is one of
the sketches done by one of the civilian investigators that
was first on the scene with its case it called
Peter Peter Parrish, and I managed to get hold of

(37:19):
this sketch and what it shows actually, Okay, there was
a main craft, but he says from his investigations there
were actually six craft involved.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Ah, these were recovered by helicopter.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
And then they were flown on the plane to a
NATO based in Germany.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
So it just gets weird.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
The more you look into mention, the more questions you
have than answers. But all I can say is definitely
something definitely happened. It hasn't been debunked, and there is
a weirdness there that's still going on.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Now, getting back to the forest incident there, this craft
was on the ground. You believe that it was or
reported as a as a black triangle. Now there is
great debate about the triangular shaped craft, whether it's US technology,
whether it's alien technology, whether it's a combination of both.

(38:22):
Can you tell us about that craft and then what
you think it may have been.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Sure, yeah, you are correct in saying that there's most
of the evidence for the shape of the craft and
what it looked like comes from Jim Peniston. He's the
one that says he interacted with it most telepathy, but
his Yeah, but his I guess his experience is both.

(38:53):
It was kind of otherworldly to him as well. I'm
the say with John Burrows, it's like they were kind
of in a different kind of reality, I guess, so
we have to take that into account. Was that because
it was some sort of electromagnetic effect being give off?
Were they effectively hallucinating a little bit? I'm not discounting
what they said and what they saw, but that you

(39:14):
have to be open to that possibility. I mean, for
my own investigations, I've spoken quite a lot with There's
a great investigator.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Over here called Professor Simon Holland.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
I used to work with NASA and the BBC as
a science filmmaker. Quite level headed. He still a lot
of research into Rendelsham. So I doffed my cat to
him and he thinks it's most likely definitely some sort
of new technology that was been tested out at the forest,

(39:44):
just because, like I've said previously, where it was between
Orfordness radar testing and Marsham Heath, and it was some
sort of weird craft, and we have to take this
in the context, like I've already said that. Twenty four
hours later, we've got the cash Lander incident. You know,
we're another craft. We've seeing this one more diamond shaped,
but it gave off radiation and was accompanied by you know,

(40:10):
military helicopters. But then also if you look at the
cash London, the diamond shape that's been drawn by the witnesses,
and if you look at the Calvin photograph that's pretty
much the same shape on its side. So I think
we're seeing a continuation of the same technological projects, probably

(40:33):
by the US and the UK, and this is what
we're seeing. This is probably why it's been covered up. However,
I don't discount that what they did possibly sounds a
bit out there, possibly opened some sort of portal at
Rendalsham which explains the current phenomena and all the weird

(40:55):
experiences people saw in the nineties and the noughties which
were documented in our film. I mean, I've got footage
of an actual UFO in the film that John Hanson,
the retired CID police officer he took.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
I think it was in nineteen ninety seven at Rendolsh Forest.
So this, you know, I can't tell you the answers
I want to.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
We can talk about different theories, but there's definitely something there.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Now still, what is your theory.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
I'm tending to go with, Yeah, they were testing some
sort of tech out in the forest, got out of control,
maybe ripped a hole in the space time continuum and
you know, maybe created a pool to other it's a
connection to other other worlds. Because my research into UFOs,

(41:56):
and just to give your you know, your viewers and
listeners back, I do have a science degree, so I'm
grounded in science and studied environmental science at university.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
So I'm always trying to rationalize everything.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
But my investigations into UFOs past thirty years hastened to
add tells me that there's another other worldly elements to them.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
There is a paranormal.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Element to to UFOs and people who have you know,
alien and encounters, I think that they're part of the
same phenomena.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
You too, So that's where it's led me.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
So when you look at you know, the evidence that
is there, thinking that this may have been some sort
of human technology, how does that explain the potential telepathy
that people like Jim Peniston received.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, I don't know. It's the simple answer.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
It's whether he was whatever this weapon was, If it
was giving out some electromagnetic radiation, did that impact his
you know, his thought process, or did it you know,
open up a portal to other dimensions and other beings
for one of the better word came in through this portal.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
I really don't know.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
I really don't know, and it sounds out there, but
we need to push the limits of what we you know,
what we're thinking at the moment, because what we're thinking
at the moment can't explain paranormal or UFO you know,
things that are happening, So that that's where I tend
to go. But yeah, it doesn't explain the telepathy unless
you're on some altered level of consciousness and reality, then

(43:38):
that might explain it. And some people, you know, suggest
that that's how aliens or non human intelligence for want
of a better word, to communicate with us.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
So that makes a little bit of sense mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Overall, you know, many people believe that this was maybe
even a little bit better sighting any incident than Roswell,
because we do have people who admitted to touching the craft,
whereas in Roswell everybody kind of went silent on it,
you know. Sure, the fact that we have a lot

(44:14):
more eyewitness testimony on this, including people like Peniston who
touched the craft, how does that make this one a
little bit more worthy of coverage rather than the Roswell incident.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, you're completely right with that.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
And yeah, the two main witnesses, Jim Peniston and John Burrows,
you have to remember, they've been fighting a long time
to get you know, compensation for their injuries, for their
health was kind of ruined by this encounter. And you know,
the US military has essentially given them a medical pension,

(44:55):
so they wouldn't do that unless they, you know, something happens.
So something definitely happened. I think that we can all
say that something definitely happened in the forest that weekend,
whereas Roswell, we you know, was it a weather balloon
or something like that, but something technological definitely happened and

(45:16):
interacted with people and the witnesses are still alive, and
you know, there's also documentation in terms of the whole
memo under his dictaphone recording what he saw, which is
still brings you know, you know, it's still kind of
weird if you listen to it. I don't know if

(45:37):
you heard it, but you know what it says with
the beams of light coming down from this.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Craft, it's like, WHOA, what is this?

Speaker 5 (45:45):
So yeah, I think it is the most credible UFO
signing that I know of. There is another one in
the UK which I'm hoping to investigate, so called the
pent Turk incident in Wales, and there's a lot of
good evidence that UFO crashed down was retrieved.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Was there any physical evidence kept around from randallsom.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
No, not that I'm aware of. I mean, there was
damage to the tree tree line, which is documented and photographed.
There were physical indentations in the ground where this craft
was alleged to have landed, and higher levels of radiation.
But in terms of they're being craft, I mean there

(46:35):
was alleged photographs and even video supposed to have been taken,
but we don't know where these are. And you know,
even the craft themselves with this diagram saying these craft
were recovered and taken taken to a NATO base.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
In Germany.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
So no, But in terms of evidence of what's happening now,
this person John Hanson, the ex police detective he went
to renders him in the nineties, were some friends and
were doing a CE five meditation before CE five is
the thing, and they would hear strange noises in the woods,

(47:25):
but also they would hear this thump on the forest
floor and there's somebody coming out of the sky. And
he was telling me that these rocks would just come
out of the sky and land on the forest floor,
and they would go and find them, and they were warm,
and he showed me these rocks. He still got them,
and he sent them off to a lab to be tested,
and they showed me the report of this scientific analysis,

(47:48):
and it's like these rocks had just been formed. There
was no trace elements anywhere. So that is physical evidence
that something weird is happening.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Now.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
I can't explain that these things are technical called are
ports that just appear out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
So it's very very weird.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I don't normally take questions from the audience until hour two,
but Luss's jewels. She has a little bit of special
pull around here. She's asking do you know what the
health effects of the witnesses were.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yeah, massively impacted, especially Jim Peniston and John Burrows their health.
I mean, because it's all confidential, we can't find out
exactly what ailments they have, but their careers in the
army were cut short, and they've received a medical pension

(48:44):
from the US Military for their injuries they've sustained whilst
at Rendlesham, So that is documented and they've gone on
the record to say that. So yeah, but that kind
of ties in also with the Cash Landry incident, which
is just twenty four hours later, where you know Betty

(49:07):
Cash and Vicki Landrum. I think it was they suffered
radiation sickness, radiation burns.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
From the craft that they saw.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
So I'm pretty sure that Penniston and Borrows had some
sort of impact from radiation.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
The fact that they went up and touched the craft,
I mean, I can understand, and this is where I
will agree with you on that it might be something human.
Is the fact that talking to the people that I've

(49:45):
talked to who've worked with, you know, aircraft that are
secretive not known. The amount of radiation that is in
the paint for their stealth technology and radiation on the
craft from their fuel systems and everything along those lines
does make these craft very dangerous at times, especially if

(50:09):
you peel off some paint or you rub something the
wrong way or whatever it may be. Stealth is not
a very healthy product, shall we say. That would give
me the reasoning to believe that this Black Triangle or
whatever it was, would have would have caused a lot

(50:33):
of that radiation sickness. But that being said, I don't
see them landing a a Black Triangle, which would probably
be a multi maybe a multi billion dollar craft, in
the middle of a forest when they could have just
put it on the runway at night and moved it
into a hangar.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Know, how would they direct I mean stuff technology planes.
I guess they're great at really high altitude, but at
low levels and landing.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Through a tricky forest environment, how is that possible?

Speaker 5 (51:10):
See what, they actually had to cut trees down apparently
to retrieve the craft from the forests, So maybe it
just went wrong. Wasn't supposed to land in the forest.
I mean, there's also we have to look at the

(51:31):
location again, like I said, but it's right next to
the north the North Sea, and there's been sightings for
hundreds of years of UFOs on lights coming from the
ocean there, so I just wondered if there is a connection.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
There as well.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Yeah, because there's also this ancient continent called Doggerland, which
we now found evidence that there was a previous ancient
Neolithic civilization, and they found remains and things that under
the sea really deep. But you know that was a
continent at one time, you know, so it's not too

(52:14):
out there to think, oh maybe it's maybe it's Atlantis,
which is a bit romantic, but it is beyond the
Straits of Gibraltar. But so, yeah, it's all part of
the mystery of the of the story.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I think how long was the craft on the ground, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
I think it's around about thirty minutes until it was
team came in to recover it.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
So do you think it crashed or do you think
it landed.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I think it must have crashed because.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
I don't see how it would find it Why, like
you said, why would it fly through quite a thick
forests its pine forest, so it's quite and there were
because it was planted. It's you know, it's a planted
forest but the Forestry commission, so it's all kind of
rose and stuff, but it's all quite tight. I don't

(53:15):
know how you would get a craft in, why would
you want to do that? But then maybe we need
to have a bit more imagination. We look at Colonel
Holt's testimony on his on his tape that he recorded,
you know, it was there was a pulsing light that
was going around the forest. There was one bit that

(53:36):
was kind of molten orange coming out of it.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
So maybe it was just some interdimensional Maybe it's some plasma.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Craft that was changing shape and form sounds out there,
but that's what his tape.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
We take it seriously.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Suggests forty five seconds to go before we have to
go to break at the top of the hour. Christopher
Lee is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio, and
you know, we're going to talk more about this after
the break. But a lot of people don't know that
Renelsham Military Base was a joint base for the UK

(54:15):
and the United States. So in this incident, the United
States probably had a lot of pull with this entired incident.
I mean, it's just dumbfounding. How and this isn't a
shot at the Americans or anything like that or people
from the US, but it's amazing how much the United
States has poll when it comes to UFOs. There's an

(54:38):
incident here in Manitoba, I believe in the nineteen fifties
where a UFO allegedly crashed and before the Canadian military
got there, the American military was already there and basically
told the Canadian military to get the hell out of
there because this was their UFO. And that is document.

(55:00):
I mean, it's pretty amazing. Mark Christopher Lee is our
guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. You can find his
movies on Amazon, including this one Rendelsham UFO. The British Roswell.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Is space Out Radio with Hopes Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
All right, this one's flying on by Mark. I'm just
gonna put you in the green room and we're gonna
take a quick break. Okay, just Matte, thank you, all right,
we'll be right back. Everybody, Uta.

Speaker 7 (56:54):
USA U.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
All right, I am back. We got about ninety seconds
to go. Let's bring Mark back in. How are you doing, buddy?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Oh good?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Thanks sir, it's exciting, great show so far.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, really good.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I just want to I keep forgetting to mention that
I know we're broadcasting on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
They can hear this as well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Yes, we need to talk about market Thatcher shutting it
down because the author, Georgina Bruney, she's a longer with us, unfortunately,
but she spoke to margit Thatcher about Randelshom and UFOs
and they have quote was it wasn't UFOs, but you
can't tell the people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
That's what she said.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
We'll get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
We'll get into that here momentarily here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
But just.

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He's a filmmaker, a documentarian, someone who loves UFOs. Mark

(01:02:54):
Christopher Lee is here and we are talking about his
latest film, The Rendelsham UFO. Oh the British Roswell and
this is a story that has captivated the UFO world
for decades since it happened in the early nineteen eighties. Mark,
thank you so much for being here tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
During the break. And earlier in the show you mentioned
the Prime Minister of the UK at the time, Margaret Thatcher.
She was very much the iron lady. She ran the
UK with at an iron fist, i should say, and
she was someone who didn't back down to anybody. She

(01:03:35):
was a tough woman. And when this incident happened, what
was her reaction to everything?

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Well, the one thing that I found, which is documented,
there was a really great UFO researcher and author in
the UK called Joorgina BRUNEI sadly no longer with us,
but she managed to chat informally with Margaret Thatcher. There
was some sort of conference somewhere and she went up

(01:04:05):
to the Prime Minister and said, you know, Rendelson, UFO
is what happens at Rendalson And she said it wasn't
UFOs and you can't tell the people, that was her response.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
So why why can't you tell the people?

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Maybe because they were testing some highly secretive technology that
would just blow our minds and they needed to keep
it secret.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Who knows, well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I mean considering as we mentioned during the break that
that you had, you know, Rendelsha being shared by the
United States military as well as the UK. If this
was some sort of human technology, then we would be
looking at that secret probably being placed in there saying hey,

(01:04:52):
you know, this craft was not supposed to come down.
We don't want people talking about this or writing about it.
And so that way, maybe Thatcher believed that this was
the way to kind of help out her comrades.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Absolutely. Yeah, that's a really good explanation. I think as
well that the continuing US UK influence over the UFOs
and the UK is still here because I've been I've
had someone contact me from the UK military we realized

(01:05:30):
what we were doing with our film and Rendelstom, and
they told me that the UK has a joints UFO
crash retrieval team here in the UK with the US
that can get anywhere in the UK within thirty minutes
to have retrieved any down craft, which I find quite

(01:05:51):
amazing that the US would still have this influence over
US and you know why all these craft coming down?
It is it due to US testing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Possibly the UFO story will not go away on this.
There are a lot of people who are still arguing
about this incident and want some sort of disclosure on it.
Has in more recent times, anybody brought this up to

(01:06:25):
the Ministry of Defense or any other politician to look
deeper into.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
This, No, unfortunately not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
I have written to Prime Minister Psakia Starma, and you know,
I have a friend who actually knows the Prime ministers
UFO researcher who's kindly hand delivered this letter to Sir Stams.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I know that he's got it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
But I've had no response, and I've also put in
freedom of information requests about it. But then all I've
had back is that I can't talk about it under
security grounds. So they're not they're not revealing what happened.
And just what reminds me now is I've spoken to

(01:07:15):
Nick Pope, a bit of a controversial character in the
UFO community here, but I like Nick Pope. He used
to work for the Ministry of Defense on its UFO
desk and he investigated Roswell. Sorry, Rendelsom, I'm dropping it Rosevelly.
It's still still six am here. It's so, and he
says obviously because he's still under the official secret sect,

(01:07:37):
so you can't reveal to people like me what happened.
But he will say this, when you understand what happened
at Rendelsham, you'll understand the true nature of UAPs so,
which I find quite quite cryptic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
The forest that this happened in, hm, hm. British forests
are much different than North American forests. So tell us
about the forest where this happened.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Okay, it's a forest. It's a plantation. I mean, it's
not that much different from the ones you have in
British Columbria. It's pine fir trees, so it's coniferous, so
it's evergreen. Basically, it's very densely packed. There's not massive
amount of wildlife there, so if you hear any strange

(01:08:30):
noises might not be you know, local native populations of animals,
which is relevant to our own investigations, which we can
go into later.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
But I think the context of the area.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Although it is a planted forest, the actual area itself
is quite kind of mysterious. There's a lot of folklore
mythology around it. It's right next to Sutton who which
is a name ancient Sacks, that Anglo Saxon burial mound
very historic. And also in the area you've had lots

(01:09:10):
of legends of the lantern men, the will of the wisps,
which are like orbs sightings before you know, orbs and
UFOs were things people used to see, these will of
the wisps and the lantern men, and also legends of
the black shook, which is like a cryptid dog, of
the black dog. So all these kind of folklore. People

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have had these sightings for hundreds of years in the
UK are in this area, which I find fascinating. So
there is a kind of mystique about about the forest,
about the landscape around here. Has it got some sort
of special energy possibly? That's why I propose. And when

(01:10:00):
when we did our own investigation last Fall, which is
in the film, we went to the forest and we
did what was called a C five process man of
meditation with the aid of inviting UFOs aliens or whatever

(01:10:22):
to us. I mean, I'm quite skeptical about CEO c F.
I've got the science degree and thinking how does it work?
How does the mind do it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
I let that go and just we did it in
good faith, got some training from a great lady called
Ray Dove, and we did this. And as soon as
we did it, we started hearing a weird electronic sound
in the woods that was bouncing around.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
It's really really and you'll see it in the film.
It's all real.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
None of it was added to it. It's just like wow,
what was this? And we could not explain it. And
we also had an EMF reader which you'll see, and
just spiked out of nowhere picking up radio electromagnetic radiation
and it's kept spiking and spiking. And Esther, who was
who was with us with the investigation, she was had

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some dowsing rods.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
And they were just spinning around like this. It was
like whoa, It's like absolutely weird.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
So we tried to find the source of this sound
and it kept kind of there was a pattern to it.
We felt like it was trying to communicate and it
was affecting us as well. We were I guess the
fear levels were going up, but you know, we were
doing an investigation.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I wanted to find out.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
So we went in deep into the forest and we
saw all of light flashed through the forest. It was
really really weird, and you know, we didn't you know,
I don't want to give spoilers away. We didn't didn't
see any aliens or anything. But we did have a
weird paranormal encounter I would call it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
And this all doku mented on film, which is great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Tell us about tell us about that paranormal encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Well, yeah, I mean it was we kept seeing these
these orbs of light but we couldn't we couldn't get to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Them, and we kept hearing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
This sound but we couldn't locate the source, and it
was it was kind of going around us, disorientating us.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
We offerlt really weird.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
But then on the way back after filming it was
really late pitch black, making our way back to the
car to go home a little bit spoots. But then
we had this really weird howling. The only thing to
describe it was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Like a like a really weird wolf.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Bearing in mind there's no one here, we don't have
any animals that can make that sound.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
In the UK.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
It was really really spine and chilling, and it's scared
of the Jesus out of Roderick Godman, my co director.
He's not easily spoots. He's just the no nonsense guy
that gets some of it. And he was like, whoa,
that was so. I mean I was a little bit freaks.

(01:13:18):
But we were trying to find our way back to
the car in the dark and had this howling peace
in the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Well, I mean that that was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
You do have wear wolves over there?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Well this, well, officially we don't, but unofficially, yeah, possibly
there's no wolves in the UK anymore. We used to obviously,
but not anymore. So it couldn't have been a normal wolf.
Unlet's they escaped from a zoo, I guess, but there's
no zoos nearby. Ah, so yeah, possibly you were wolf,

(01:13:55):
which ties in. There was a researcher called Nick Redfern, yes,
and he called this he investigated Rendalshim and he called
it the Rendalsham shrug monkey. It's like a cryptid creature,
maybe a bit like the skin walker, I guess, or
some sort of sasquatch.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
So maybe it was this. It's I mean, it definitely happened.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
It was real. We can't explain it. We couldn't explain
the electronic sound. We can't explain the howling. We couldn't
explain that the orbs of light. There's something happening now
at Randers from Forest and you know this is not
just our investigation. People go there every weekend in the
UK to witness and experienced paranoral phenomena. People wouldn't waste

(01:14:42):
their time, there's other places to go to, but they'll
go there and they'll have encounters.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
It just adds to the mystique of the story, though,
doesn't I.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Well, that's why I wanted to make this film because
you know, people have made really good films about thenineteen
eighty incident, and you know, we do go into it
a little bit, but that's not our focus on. What
intrigued me was like I spoke to people like Philip Kinsellar.
He's a really good UFO author. He's also a psychic medium,
lovely guy. We interviewed him for the film. He went

(01:15:17):
to Renders him in two thousand, I think it was,
did a similar kind of meditation thing with his friends
and they manifested a pyramid shape UFO that appeared in
front of them and it's like whoa. You know, his
testimony is in the film, and there's more people like

(01:15:37):
that have had these accounts at rendership, But why why rentshm?
It was just if they were just testing out a craft,
a new a new weapon and new technology in the
woods in nineteen eighty, why would the effects still linger on?
Why is there still There's got to be more than
coincidence because it doesn't happen everywhere in the UK. So

(01:16:02):
something special about the forest or did they open up
a portal at this place? Did whatever they were testing
with some really highly advanced physics, Did it mess around
with reality and create a bridge to other worlds? It
sounds far out, but that's all we've got at the moment,
and it only sounds far out because science still can't

(01:16:25):
explain everything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
In my opinion, were they doing any sort of secret
craft testing there that you know of.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
The only thing that can get hold of is that
these two places, Martlesham Heath and Awfulness were definitely testing
radar over the horizon radar. That was definitely that's documented.
Whether they were doing anything else more secret is open

(01:16:58):
to speculation, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
But you know they're not going to tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
They're not going to document it, they're not going to
answer your freedom of information requests if it's that secret.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
But but if you go back to market. That's your quote.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
It wasn't UFOs And you can't tell the people you
just fit into, you know, into that maybe being a
secret technology of some sort.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Wow, that's just unbelievably awesome, unbelievably awesome. Mark. You were
just such a wealth of knowledge about this subject. Are
there still a lot of people around that are talking
about this subject out there, like whether it's you know,

(01:17:46):
I know, Jim Peniston and others are still talking about it.
But is there anybody from you know that still lives
in the area that discusses this topic.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
There's a few people.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
One of the original investigators was a lady called Brenda Butler.
She was a local and she has a lot of
knowledge on this subject and she's the one that's had
the most paranormal otherworldly experiences there, and she claims to
be interacting with cryptids there, for instance, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
She's a wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
She won't talk about it much now, unfortunately, but she's
she is good friends with John Hanson, who's the retired
police detective who was executive producer of this film. So
we've got a lot of knowledge through him, and he's
the main investigator as far as I'm concerned because he's
written two books with Colonel Holt, the Whole Perspective one,

(01:18:48):
the Whole Perspective two. They are the you know, the
best place to go for all the information on what happened,
because it's not just Holt's version of events. John Hanson
also looks at all the other evidence. And this is
an amazing chap John Hanson, because he's got this UFO

(01:19:09):
archive in the UK in Stratford upon Avon, Shakespeare's country,
and it's an amazing place. He's got like hundreds of
thousands of documented UFO sightings from the UK and this
is testimonies, photographs, is the drawings, diagrams. He's got it all,
this amazing archive and treasure trove, completely hidden away. No

(01:19:32):
one knows about it, and I'm trying to help the world.
We need to go there. Look the evidence is here.
The UFOs aren't real. These are all the hundreds of
thousands of people with that documented science. And the great
thing about this archive is helps to join up the dots,
especially with Rendleshop, because it wasn't just that weekend. There

(01:19:53):
were sightings all over the same area in Norfolk and
Suffolk in the UK, all over nineteen eighty. It wasn't
just that weekend. It was that weekend at Renderson Forest
where something landed, but there were sightings in that area,
you know, or through nineteen eighty coming off the sea

(01:20:13):
in Norfolk and Suffolk, unexplained sights, So it's not just
one event. I think we tend to focus on just
one thing. There's a bigger picture at play here, you know,
which is why we need to bring in Cash Landrum,
maybe even Calvin.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
It's all connected, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
As we got about four minutes to go here before
we have to go to break at the bottom of
the hour mark. Christopher Lee filmmaker is on the show
tonight about talking about the Rendellsham Forest incident. When we
look at this incident, the initial sighting apparently had a
bunch of US Air Force personnel seeing strange lights going

(01:20:58):
through the trees, prompting that security team to go in.
That security team, how big was it? And you know,
obviously John Burrows Jim Peniston were a part of that team,
you know, But how come do you think that other
members of that team haven't spoken out about it?

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Ah, Yes, that's a good question because Jim and John
are the two that have publicly gone on record.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
I think we need to take in context here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
That's Jim and John various books they've written over the years,
and also Larry Warren, who was He says he was
present and experienced the the UFO or whatever it was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
They all say that they were debriefed by.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
American I don't know what the word is, special Forces security.
You know the team that comes in and AH tells
them what they should be doing basically, So I think
there's an element of coercion, interrogation.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Dark arts of.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
You know, the men in black for one of the
better words. Who want to get the narrative. You don't
talk about this, this is what happened. I think that
went on definitely. So that's probably why some of the
personnel haven't gone on record because they're.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Frightened and I don't want to pe off the implaque
or that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
That's one way to put it right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
But.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Jim Peniston and John bows and maybe that's why Jim
Peniston didn't go public about the binary code download?

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
What do you think about that? The Binary code download?

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
To be honest, I always found that hard to believe
and I always assumed it was some sort of hallucination,
or maybe Jim just added to it later on. I
don't know why he would do that. It seems like
a decent, honest per and who am I to question
his character? But I always found that really really difficult
to believe. But then if we're dealing with some sort
of non human intelligence, maybe it would communicate that way.

(01:23:12):
The language of mathematics binary coated, you know, is it
in its most simplest form of the simplest form of communication.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
So maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
But the weird thing about that, I think I said
it at the beginning of the show, is that when
I got back from our investigation, it was a really
really long day and night and was just lying in
bed and all I could see was ones and zeros
in front of me, and you know, quite where that
that could just be psychosomatic, because I know Jim Peniston's

(01:23:45):
story about the binary code.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Maybe that's what it peared, but I've.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Never had it before, and it just all these ones
and zeros disappeared in front of me, and I could
not sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
It was really really weird. So it did be.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
So I was thinking maybe we took something back with
us because theollowing day, and this is all in the film.
It's all documented, is all the film. The following day,
in the morning, I was just relaxing in the garden
with my wife and she's sort of light above the
house and it's like an ord.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
UFO and one of the better luckily got my phone.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Out and said, oh my god, so did you know
it sounds sounds really far out and you know, and
I've got a science degree in try and rationalize it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Well, it could be a plane, but.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Then it's not strove in and it's not moving, and
it's like, ah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
I hear you there, my man, you something follow us home?

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
It's like possibly, you never know, those UFOs they could,
they can do that kind of stuff. That's what their
game plan is, to follow us home and freak us out.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
And I let's get onto John Keel and the next bit,
because I'm a big fan of his.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
And well we could go in a few different directions here.
We're going to try and get in some audience questions
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Oh yeah, that'd be great, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Mark Christopher Lee. We have them for another half hour
here on spaced out Radio. We're talking Randall sham at ufo.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
M.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
You'll listening to space Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.
All right, we are clear. Let me just mute here

(01:25:40):
Mark for a second. I'm true. Jim Goodall, if you're
in the chat room trying to find something here for you,
bear with me. I'll get there. Jimmy, there it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
All right. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
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earlier tonight, I was thinking what would be a really
really good T shirt for our store online, and this
is what I created. Hold on, let me find it here.
There it is. There is the Jim Goodall T shirt

(01:26:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
It is there it is little Jim effing Goodall was here.
You can get that shirt right now on the spaced
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There you go. That's for you, Jimmy. They sent you

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the link all right, let's close that off. Bring us
back up there. We are all right, Close Encounters TV.
Is that your channel?

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Mark it is?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yeah, all right, welcome to our chat room, my man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yeah, yes, that's answering. Yes, I have played cricket.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
It's a weird game, someone's asked Beno from Oaks nineteen
seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I don't understand cricket, but I love watching it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
It is quite meditative, I think watching it definitely, it's
quite quiet.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Yeah, it's quite a weird game. I think it's English,
isn't that Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
When I worked in Vancouver sometimes I would stop by
the cricket park in Stanley Park and watch them play.
Oh wow, I didn't understand it, but it looks fun.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Yeah. That red ball that is really hard.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
When that hits you, whoa, it's like it's like concrete.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Basically, what's the purpose of not wearing gloves?

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
The wicket keeper, the guy behind the stumps, he can
wear gloves. No one else can. Yeah, do you play rugby?
I have played rugby. That's the big strong people rugbyes
even wear that. It's just a bit of a mess
in my opinion, more of a soccer soccer fan.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Well, everybody's got their flaws. Who's your team?

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
My team is Huddersfield Town. Huddersfield's that's my birthplace is
in West Yorkshire in the in England, and it's a
quite small team, but a most famous fan. I always
say I'm the second most famous Huddersfield Town fan because
the most famous is Sir Patrick Stewart from Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Yes, yeah, you can't. You'll no offense spark, you'll never
take that once.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
But I've been trying to get Patrick Stewart to be
in one of my films, but he doesn't do He
won't do UFOs because of Star Trek.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
He won't. He just aultomatically turns down anything alien or so.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Yeah, come on, sir Patrick, if you're watching let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Do a drink black, black tea or green tea.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Mark, I should mostly drink coffee, but if I'm going
to drink tea, I do drink all sorts of tea.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
I like, uh, oh is good?

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Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
Hey.

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Travelers Club. Final time tonight, we say hello to Mark
Christopher Lee hanging on out with us. He is a researcher,
he's a filmmaker, a UFO documentarian. We've been talking to
him all night long about the Randelsham UFO, the British Roswell,
his movie on that, and what an interesting subject tonight. Mark,

(01:31:56):
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
It's been a blast. I really enjoyed it. Thank you,
Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Great show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
I got a couple more questions about Roswell before we
move on and they get to audience questions. Now, Jim Pennison,
who was a staff surgeon, I mean, he had his
incident where he got the binary downloads. But the other
person who came out with Jim Airman, John Burrows, experienced
something completely different. What do you think that the reasoning

(01:32:27):
was they experienced something totally different?

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Yeah, that is interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
Because Jim's version of events slightly different than John. John
doesn't remember Jim going up to the craft and things
like that. I think possibly it can be explained just
by disorientation, that whatever it was was giving off some
sort of magnetic field that was kind of disappointed and

(01:32:55):
physically and mentally. We just can't explain the differences. I
think whether it was alien, tech or artic, whatever it was,
it was affecting their version of events.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Do you think then that the contradiction that they have
towards each other, not that it's not that it's a
rivalry or anything, but the fact that they have two
different accounts or what happen is you know, detrimental to
the UFO case. Or do you think because many people

(01:33:32):
who have UFO incidents, if let's say you and I
had a UFO incident together, for some reason, when people
see these craft, it's never the same story. I always
see something different than you see something, and so on
and so forth.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Yeah, I think he spots on.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
I think they both honestly told the truth as they
saw it, and you know, it would have been easy
for one to back up the other story.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
That would have been easier to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
So I think they're generally telling what they thought happened
to them. And you know, I guess this goes into
a wider topic on the nature of if it was
something else, the nature of what that was, if it
was a uap UFO. There's always been this thing where consciousness,

(01:34:22):
the mind is interacting with it. So your mind is
kind of creating what it thinks should be there. I mean,
John Keel alluded to this with his cosmic Joker hypothesis.
And this intelligence which is kind of playing around us,
for one of a better better phrase, messing with us.

(01:34:47):
So there could be an element of that in this story,
but I generally think that they're both telling the truth
as to what happened to them, but it's not the same,
which is weird.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
But then the UFOs all weird.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Getting back to Jim Penison for a sec with the
binary download that he alleges that he got. Has there
been anybody who's been able to translate or analyze the
code to verify it on whether it's real?

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
I mean he didn't write it down until years later,
which you know, most people think that sounds suspicious.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
I don't know, but then he had it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
He did have it translated, and I haven't got the
translation with me, but it was it was something someone
might be able to tell me what it was, but
it was saying something about preservation of humanity. And had
this these coordinates which goes to some mythical island called
High Brazil h Y B I A s I L,

(01:35:52):
which is some sort of Atlantis kind of place. It's
all very kind of weird and a bit far out,
but then that's what we get with this film. If
it was alien or non human, maybe it was just
playing games, or maybe it did have a serious message.
Maybe it's similar to the messages that some say are

(01:36:13):
encouraged in crop circles. Again, I think sometimes we need
to look at the bigger picture, not just individual events.
Assuming that this could have been alien technology, which I'm
not sure it was.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Yeah, now you know, forty five years later, you make
this movie. The conclusion, What do you think the conclusion
is or is it still too early to call that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
I think something definitely happens in nineteen eighty. It was
happening throughout nineteen eighty, so whether something was being tested
or something that was visiting US, I don't think it was.
I don't think nothing happened. Some people say it was

(01:37:04):
just the lighthouse or the sas playing pranks on the
US serviceman. I don't think it is. Something definitely happened
involving the craft, some sort maybe crafts. Some have suggested
up to six so ever, they were testing something out
of something that was discipline US. The most likely explanion

(01:37:27):
to me at the moment is that they were testing
some sort of electromagnetic weapon.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
I don't know. I'm not claiming to be an expert
on physics.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Went out of control, crashed had some effects on the
people that witnessed it possibly opened up some sort of
portal to other realities dimensions which I know sounds far out,
but it does tie in with the fact that people
had witnessed and explained phenomena since then, and like we did,

(01:38:01):
we can't explain what happened to us. So at the moment,
that's the most logical explanation to me. But you know,
I don't claim I'm not going to say yes, that's
what happened. This is definitely this is it. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
At the end of the day, you have to be
honest as a UFO researcher. So I don't know. This
is something unexplained here.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
We need to keep researching it and people are still
reaching out to me now with more sightings, more evidence
coming forward, So it's like, do I make another film
about this?

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
We have to feel yeah, maybe we may have to. Yeah, maybe, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
You wanted to talk about John Keel.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Mm hmm, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I just think that there is if we're dealing with
non human intelligence. I'd like that he proposed this ultra
terrestrial theory because they could be this intelligence either it's
a lot alongside us already here or in a different
version of a reality that sometimes interacts with us, and

(01:39:10):
because it's so far advanced, it feels like it's playing
games with us. But he got a lot of these
research just by going for newspapers and interviewing people that
had these encounters in the fifties, sixties.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Ah, And there's always.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Another other worldly element to the science that they would
take the appearance, some weird appearance. They would offer some
strange food or the work just straightforward, some UFO alien
gray coming out and you know doing you know, the
weird probe in things. There's something weirder and more untangible

(01:39:51):
about it and keeps changing for each person. And it's
all very sub subjective, which is maybe why it remains
hidden because of that, because we can't quantify it, can't
make it tangible, because it's something we just can't comprehend.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
John Keel obviously known most famously for the Mothman prophecies.
You know, he loved the cryptid world. He loved anything
that was weird and strange. Do you try and follow
his aspect on how he did things with what you're
doing putting it on film.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Yeah, that's a good, good call, and also not.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
Saying this is definitely what happened, having an open mind
and just reporting what people tell you, because I do
a lot on TikTok at the King of UFOs, and
I'm just reporting basically on what other people's stories, the
facts they've sent me, what they believe is true. Then

(01:41:00):
people shoot me down because that's not real. I said, well,
I'm not saying it's real. I'm reported one person's experience,
and I think that's important because it is. It can
be different for different people, doesn't mean it's less real.
I think we get to the way our scientific method
is set up doesn't allow for expanding the mind, which

(01:41:22):
what proper science should do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Let's get some audience questions here. Yeah, starting off with
Paul here, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher were tight. How
much info do you think they shared in regards to this?

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
Yeah, really good question, thank you. Yeah, they were definitely tight,
and there is some evidence. Professor Simon Holland makes the
connections between Reagan and Thatcher, and he proposed a theory
that the British were actually trying to sell a new
electro magnetic energy pulse weapon to the Americans, and this

(01:42:02):
is what possibly was being tested.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
And this is linked to the Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Program, which is why you can't tell the people, but
they work close and I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Both of them knew what was going on and were
involved in some way.

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
So that's a really good question, and definitely think there
is a connection between Rendalsom and Star Wars program.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Moving on, let's go to Pilgrim here. Do you know
how the drones are spraying something to power the orbs?
We have man made orbs are here there for surveillance.
Are you getting a lot of the orb issues that
some of Europe is right now and that the US had.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Massively?

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
I get contact every day about people who have seen
orbs or drones are both sending me videos. A lot
of them are weird drones, probably our own. But with
regards the connection to warps, that is just fascinating. I mean,
this groundbreaking new research going on at the moment, which

(01:43:09):
I need to catch up with Patrick Jackson's Sphere network
and that is amazing, and he tried to explain it
all how it works with these different orbs. That's something
that people need to look at, and I need to
look at. I'm not going to go into it now
because I don't know enough about it, but I know
that is cutting edge and possibly might explain a lot

(01:43:33):
of this way.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
PARAMRV is asking one man, Jim Petterson, had some serious
health issues, but I haven't heard that of others. Any
thoughts on why John Burrows was right behind him but
didn't touch it like Peniston did.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
Yeah, I think John Burrows also had health issues and
has his military pension on medical grounds as far as
I'm aware. But Holt I don't think had any health issues.
Like I said, I think the other offices servicemen involved

(01:44:12):
were you know, deep break not to talk about it,
and that's probably why you know, there is some evidence
that they use really really horrible things to these people
not to talk, or to tell them what to say
or not to say.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Do you think they're directed and what they can and
cannot say about the project?

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
Yeah, And I think penistone and borers are going above
the parapet.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
From the UK. Tony is asking what is your opinion
and is it possible that the comm center for the
subs were emitting just the right frequency to attract UFOs,
just like what The Dog Whistle does with Jake Barber's
Skywatcher team.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
Yeah, that's that's an amazing I never thought about that before,
but Tony D that that is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
A credible theory. Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
So yeah, maybe they were testing something out on that
that frequency day you emitted attracted in Yeah, that's that's
a possibility, And maybe it's still going on now in
it in this place, which is why people are still
experiencing from Maybe that's what we attracted because we did

(01:45:35):
the C five psionics thing for one of a better word,
and literally as soon as we started doing it, things
started happening. It's like we didn't have to edit hours
out of the film. It's like, Okay, it started happening.
So that's a really good question. Thank you, Tony D.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
No problem. Let's get to another question here. It's got
to Jose. Has the TRB three B been seen in
the UK?

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
Quite possibly? I'm not aware.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
I mean obviously it could explain a few sightings, but yeah,
not officially aware of this is a tr three B.
Pretty sure it probably has been seen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Well, it wasn't there that one incident off off the
UK coast off an oil rig where somebody had seen
a TR three B or the Aurora being fueled in
the air by a KC one five.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Okay, I'm not aware of that, but I can look
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Yeah, it'd be cool. I believe that did happen. I
just can't remember the incident.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
I mean, it had been told that there was a
there was a crash in the North Sea off the
coast of Blackpool of something either a UAP or some
sort of new new technology in nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
That's quite new information. Probably shouldn't be talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Okay, carry on, right, Yeah, nothing to see here, people,
Nothing to see here?

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
Could be another film. Someone's asked me what was the
production cost of Yond You movie? Not very much more
self produced?

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Apparently the sighting of the Aurora was made by a
gentleman from Great Britain oil rag engineer Chris Gibson, in
the North Sea in nineteen eighty nine, and apparently he
was a trained aircraft observer reporting seeing in the unusual

(01:47:52):
Iso Skels triangle shaped craft or a Sauceles. What the
hell am I trying to say here? Earn English Dave
Isauceles triangle shape craft, which he described as the Gibson Delta. Yeah.
The specific oil ragciting is a key piece of anecdotal
evidence often cited by those who believe the existence of

(01:48:16):
the aurora. Wow, it's very cool. It was in flight
refueling too.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
All right, let's get to another question here. Go back
to the UK with Tony. Gary Heseltine reckons that there
was events and an ETEM meeting over the course of
a few weeks. Does your investigation reveal stuff like this?

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
No, it doesn't, Tony d abctolutely. Gary hesselteign I need
to speak to him because he's been doing some fantastic research.
Gary Hezeltein is an ex police officer used to collect
UFO sightings for police officers, does great work, and he's
been investigating this sub the nineteen eighty incident, probably more

(01:49:03):
in depth than we have. As I said, our film
is more concentrated on the continuing phenomena. But yeah, I've
heard that there have been talks of aliens and meetings
and things like that, which which sounds far fetched to me.
But Gary is a very credible person, so it's worth
a chat. The only thing that I do qualify that

(01:49:25):
with I think Larry Warren.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Might be the one.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
That's talked about this, and he's a controversial character, that's
all I say.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Let's go next to t Bone here, he's in Vancouver.
Have you ever heard about the hot stones falling?

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Yeah? I mean I did say earlier in.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
The interview that John Hanson is retired police detective went
to Rendelsham in the nineties with and friends did a
meditation and while they were meditating, these stones would just
fall out of the sky land on the forest floor.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
And picked them up and they were hot, and then
he sent them.

Speaker 5 (01:50:12):
Off to a lab to be tested and there was
no trest elements on the stones, so it's like they've
just been formed.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
So yeah, id I've actually seen the stones and seeing.

Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
The lab reports, so I can confirm that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
All right, let's go over to Kim here, who is
asking did anybody see any glyphs or anything on the craft?

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
Jim Penistone said it had hieroglyphics on it some sort.
But why why does that happen? I mean, you have
all these sightings and they always say they've got hieroglyphics
on it. Why I want to know why they always
see hieroglyphics on these, I mean, if it is our technology, Oh,

(01:50:56):
they're deliberately putting on weird symbols to used the UFO
as a cover story. Or is it aliens putting that
weird symbols down? Let me know what your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
On my case, it's always aliens, my friend. Yeah, it's
always aliens.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
Okay, fair enough, So it was.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
It's just easier that way, you know, it really is.
Derek is asking, you know, what's a production cost of
something like this on your new movie?

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
I mean on Netflix listening. If Netflix are listening, one
hundred thousand pounds?

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
The reality the.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Only I mean because as Roderick Godman, my co producer director,
we have all the equipment in house, so it wasn't
very much, to be honest, the only real major cost
was for William B.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Davis.

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
But then the other executive producer, Richard Krafts, he kindly
paid for the Davis is very fair fee, you have
to say, but we went through his union, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
So not very much.

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
But we were lucky to have the equipment, et cetera,
and the time to do it. But if Netflix are listening,
loads of money.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Two hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:52:20):
Yeah, that'll do.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Yeah, right, went in doubt. Two hundred and fifty thousand
quarter mill will get it done real simply.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
I've just been honest. You're asked me a question, I'll
give you an honest answer. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
We only have about two minutes to go with you tonight.
And it's a show that has flown on by, and
you're so educational on this subject and everything. What do
you want people to know about Randelsham and this entire
subject that you have covered.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
I've want them to open their minds.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
I think Rendelsham is a special place and I think
people can go there now and experience something.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
So go there, experience something.

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
Tell me what you experience, document it, film it, take photos,
let's find out what it is. I think it is
the UK Skinwalker, definitely something weird that I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
My mission is to get.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
More people interested, you know, to share their stories because
I'm pretty sure that most people have had a paranormal
or UFO incident in their lives but are just not
willing to scared to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Let's talk about it. Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
And where can people find all of your movies and
maybe tell us about a few.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
Sure, Okay, most of them are on Amazon Prime Video
or on.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
TB in America or Apple TV.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
I mean, obviously I want people to watch the new
on the rentles from the UFO, the British Roswell, which
is out now on Prime. You can watch my favorite
film I did. My first one is God Versus Aliens,
which is that on TBH And that's actually got Professor
rve Lobe in it. Is there quite a few of
my films and it's in the news quite recently with

(01:54:18):
his three Iye Atlas and I love RV Lope.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
He's a great, great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
For the record, Yeah, it's it's an incredible, incredible time
for what we are doing right now. And you know
the fact that you're doing your part to make these
great films. We appreciate it. Mark Christopher Lee on spaced
Out Radio tonight. Coming up next in hour number three,

(01:54:44):
swamp Weller will kick things off, will follow that up
with the Wizard and the UFO Report. You're listening to
spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. Mark, thank

(01:55:11):
you very much, my friend.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Yeah, that's that flowing by. Didn't it did good?

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
It did? You can go eat breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:55:18):
Now I might go back to bed, but thank you,
take care of but you too, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Thank you. You were so great, so thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
See you too. It was a really good show. Really,
thank you. Enjoyable one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Thank you appreciate, take care, get some sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Thanks bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
What a great guy, absolute great guy. Another winner from
dirty Ville booking a wonderful show. Very knowledgeable, very knowledgeable.
I'll be right back. Everybody, wizards, sit tight, buddy, all right,

(01:59:54):
let's bring in the wizard. There he is, wizard.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
I'm the wizard.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Yes you are.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
People say a wizard around.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
You're that guy.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
I'm that guy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
You're that guy. You've done right, doing good, doing good,
hungry but good. How about yourself?

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
Tired but good.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
Yeah, it could be a tiring thing talking to UFOs. Well,
it's more of a I remember you.

Speaker 8 (02:00:41):
Remember on on Monday, I said that I was gonna
start going to the gym, getting up going to the gym.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
And the yes, yes, yes, And I've been consistent with it.
So it's, you know, an adjustment for sure. Uh huh,
I hear you, I hear you, brother.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
But hopefully an adjustment that pays off the long run.

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let's head to the swamp.

Speaker 9 (02:02:53):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp.

Speaker 10 (02:02:56):
I'm swamp dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you
on mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters,
legends and nightmarees.

Speaker 9 (02:03:06):
Welcome to this based out Radio Swamp. My parents have
basically been divorced.

Speaker 10 (02:03:13):
All my life, so every other weekend I would.

Speaker 9 (02:03:16):
Go visit my dad. He, my stepmom, and two.

Speaker 10 (02:03:19):
Of my stepsisters lived in a trailer and that's where
I would go for the weekend. A lot of people
in the park are pretty normal and there are a
lot of people that live there, but there are some
freaking weirdos, I'll tell you. Anyways, I was probably about
seven years old at the time, and one of my

(02:03:40):
stepsister was around nine. We lived next door to a
family and usually hung out with the daughter and the family.

Speaker 9 (02:03:47):
Her name was Shiloh. The three of us would stay
out at night until two am.

Speaker 10 (02:03:53):
God knows why our parents let us do that in
a sketchy trailer park.

Speaker 9 (02:03:58):
We would also hang out at Shiloh's house a lot.

Speaker 10 (02:04:02):
Her dad was always home and he would play with us,
watch TV, etc. I never thought he was one of
the creepy motherfuckers of the neighborhood. There is or was,
a clear shot view from Silo's living room through our
kitchen window and into my stepsister's room.

Speaker 9 (02:04:17):
Now, my stepsister had a.

Speaker 10 (02:04:20):
Habit of leaving doors open when she would go to
the bathroom, change, etc.

Speaker 9 (02:04:25):
You can see where this is going. One day, the
two of us.

Speaker 10 (02:04:29):
Were outside playing on the front line when Shiloh's dad.

Speaker 9 (02:04:32):
Came walking up to us.

Speaker 10 (02:04:34):
I clearly remember him standing near us, watching and we
were looking up at him. He directly looked at my stepsister,
smiling and said, hey, Alex, I watched you change through
your kitchen window last night. As young kids would do,
we flipped the fuck out. I didn't understand at the time.
I was just reacting to Alex freaking out. Alex ran inside,

(02:04:55):
crying toward our parents, and they called the cops.

Speaker 9 (02:04:59):
I don't know why happened after that exactly.

Speaker 10 (02:05:02):
Shiloh and her brother Jimmy moved to Florida, to live
with their grandparents, and their.

Speaker 9 (02:05:05):
Dad was arrested. Not exactly what for.

Speaker 10 (02:05:08):
Maybe the cops found some child pornography or something like
that when they went to his house. After that, another
family moved in and that dad was arrested too. I'm
not sure why we weren't allowed to talk to any
of them. Were more neighbors anymore. Finally, they just took
the damn curse trailer out for good and theres a
lot of still empty.

Speaker 9 (02:05:26):
Next to their house. All in all, Shiloh and Jimmy's
dad was a freaking.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
Peedole creepy story. Once again from our buddy swamp Dweller.
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Thousands of stories of all sorts right there for you bows.

(02:06:09):
All right, let's get ready to bring in the wizard.
Josh Rutledge move on, investigator from Arizona who comes in
to talk about UFOs a couple times each week. Josh,
thank you so much for being here. Yeah, man, it's fantastic.
Despite the slowness of the UFO Tacoic right now, there
is some stuff happening, so you know, well, you know what,

(02:06:33):
we just come off the anniversary of the Travis Walton incident. Yep,
and now we go right into an incident that's a
little bit newer, but still the Chicago O'Hair incident anniversary.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 8 (02:06:51):
It was November seventh, two thousand and six, is when
that happened, So today earlier, it's day nineteen years ago.
So yeah, you know, that's a it's always that's a
been a fascinating case for me, because ground crew saw

(02:07:15):
it first, like it was a it was somebody working
a ramp on a gate. It was above Gate C
seventeen at the O'Hare Airport, you know, kind of the
middle of the day or earlier morning, but and gate
crew saw it or sorry, not early morning, around four

(02:07:36):
fifteen in the afternoon, sorry, gate crew saw it first.
And they, you know, the tower didn't report any radar hits,
but it was supposedly around thirty to forty feet wide,
and it was about fifteen hundred feet in the air.
No airplane occupants came forward to saying that they had

(02:07:59):
seen it. But if you think about it, usually when
you're sitting in a tarmac in an airplane, the windows
are not designed if you'd really be able to look up,
you know, above you so you know you're looking out
either either you're looking at to see, you know, just
kind of things moving by, or if you're me, you're

(02:08:20):
putting in your earbuds and then getting ready to settle
in for a nice nap.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
So yeah, I mean, it is one of those incidents
that that still we're still bistified about. You know, it
was quiet, no sound, and it was allegedly a saucer
shaped craft metallic dark gray collar, hovering for several minutes

(02:08:47):
before shooting right up through the clouds and making this
perfect circle yep, in the cloud. I mean, there was
pictures of that. You could go google those pictures of
the hole it left of the cloud. I mean, talk
about mystifying, you know, over one of the busiest airports
in the United States.

Speaker 8 (02:09:07):
Well, and you know, meteorologists have claimed that what you're
seeing as a whole punch cloud in those cloud pictures.
But but the weather conditions to create a whole punch
cloud didn't exist at the time when this cloud formation
was observed, so that that the you know, prosaic claim

(02:09:33):
in this case has been debunked. Basically, so yeah, it's
you know, I always wonder if there's some reason or
importance to the gate that it chose to you know,
hover over.

Speaker 3 (02:09:49):
You know, does the C.

Speaker 8 (02:09:51):
Seventeen not necessarily as the gate, but like as a
collection of you know, a letter and a number. Does
that mean anything, you know significant. The other thing is
a lot of people don't realize, but starting in two
thousand and four and up until like the most recent
in relation to this sighting October thirty one of two

(02:10:14):
thousand and six, there were black triangle sidings with not
the traditional black triangle where it's like the three white
lights and then the red light in the middle. These
were three red lights moving together in a triangular formation,
and those were occurring around like the Timley Park area

(02:10:36):
and stuff in the Chicago area. And that was, like
I said, happening from two thousand and four to two
thousand and six, with the most recent one being just
you know, seven or eight days before the O'Hare UFO siding.
So it makes me wonder if there's any type of
relationship between those two events.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Your overall thoughts of where this stands in American UFO history,
I mean, I.

Speaker 8 (02:11:06):
Think it's a it's a fascinating case that cannot be
easily dismissed. I'm sure that for the people who will
find an opportunity to find holes and gaps in any
in any case, for them, they'll find holes and gaps
in this one too and use that to explain it away.

(02:11:27):
But in my opinion, the first hand testimony and the
lack of potential prosaic causes leaves this as one of
the you know, I would say one of the more
modern UFO cases that still to this day is perplexing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
Do you think that we'll ever get true answers to
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:11:55):
Oh, that's a big question, Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:11:58):
Always is.

Speaker 8 (02:12:00):
The the heart. So the hard part of your question
is the word true. Because truth is you know, like
the whole you know, the whole thing about you know.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Truth is
in the you know, the eye or the mind of
the believer, if you will.

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
And so.

Speaker 8 (02:12:23):
I think, just like, just like the reason why we
don't have significant progress in disclosure because we haven't defined, like,
you know, any type of goal that we're trying to
get to for disclosure, the same could be said for
truth about what it is I in my own in

(02:12:46):
my own journey since you know, since I started this
in August of twenty nineteen, Like on a more in
depth view, I've found, in my opinion, numerous truths. But
are they widely accepted truths? Are they the truths that
you're looking for or anybody else who's listening is looking for?

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
So that the the.

Speaker 8 (02:13:10):
Truth pieces is hard I think to say yes or
no to the if I removed the word truths and
replace it with will we ever know? Or just like,
will we ever know what these things are and why
they're coming? I think that a lot of people do know.
And if you trust the experiencer and the you know,

(02:13:35):
the people who have been abducted, and the people who
have had you know, near death experiences and out of
body and you and you look at that entire collection
of data and testimony, you know, my conclusion is they're
they're coming here for two purposes. One to cause us

(02:13:55):
to rethink the nature of our reality, which ultimately leads
us to be better humans, you know, not just I'm
not like talking politically here, just generally we're better people
when we stop thinking about ourselves as being somehow unique

(02:14:16):
in life or unique to the to the planet or whatever.
We start thinking about, you know, holistically, about the fact
that we don't have another planet we can go to,
and so you know, it would behoove us to treat
this one better. Things like that. Those are the messages
that they tend to convey. And then number two, I
think they have some sort of a vested interest in

(02:14:40):
our reaching that level of enlightenment, if you will. I
think people often think about enlightenment as being like this
time when you transcend your physical form and you become
glowing light and you float off into the sunset. But
enlightenment is just it's just really reaching a point where
you think about the importance of life differently and not

(02:15:04):
so not so not so much at the macro level,
but at a broader perspective. So that's again my opinion
based on all the different experience accounts and everything from
across the phenomena, not just as it relates to UFOs,
but across the phenomena.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
That's the underlying message. What else you got for a tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
So have you seen?

Speaker 8 (02:15:34):
Lukaski is back in the news. Is not the right
Although he was covered by George Knapp on his local
station but Lukaski is back out there. For those that
don't know, Lukski was doctor. Lakowski was the director of AWSAPP,
which is the the program that was being run in

(02:15:58):
the government to investigate gate UFOs that was talked about
in the twenty seventeen article for The New York Times.
It was a precursor to a TIP. It's what Harry
Reid and others worked really hard to get funding for.
ALSAC was also done in collaboration with Bigelow Industries in

(02:16:20):
bass and so Lucaski ran that program. And he's written
a number of books. I've got so far, he's got
I think three out. I've got two of the three.
I think it was a fourth either that just is
coming out or is on the way, and then he
mentioned maybe having a fifth as well. And everything he's
been approved to say by the DoD is in those books.

(02:16:46):
But he's back in the in the news cycle, if
you will. And he was interviewed by George Knapple, like
I said, on George's TV station in Vegas, and then
he was also interviewed by Corbel and George Knapp for
the Weaponized podcast. And the first part of that interview

(02:17:06):
is available on YouTube. It's like an hour long. It's
got some good interesting information in it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
That the two I guess kind of key takeaways that
I've got so far is that when he did the
interview with George Napp for the Vegas uh TV station,
he George Uh, they were talking about back engineering or
you know, figuring out the technology of these retrieved retrieve

(02:17:34):
craft and George made the statement of you know, are
you know is this something that humans have created? And
Lucaski interrupted and said, we're not dealing with We're not
dealing with humans here. So Lucasky basically said on air

(02:17:56):
for a Nevada TV station that these craft they've retrieved
are not human created. The other key takeaway that he
said on the Weaponized Part one was that, in his opinion,
Arrow is a counterintelligence program. Well, let's get to point

(02:18:21):
number one here for a second, that these craft or
non human. Okay, It's easy for somebody to put their
skeptical hat on and say, okay, James Leakatski, where's your proof.

(02:18:42):
The problem with people like James Lekatski is due to
NDA's due to their security clearances, they are only allowed
to say what they're allowed to say that gets pre approved.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:18:59):
They're not going to have photographs, they're not going to
have video evidence, they're not going to have any sort
of of proof that this is actually going on. What happened?
Why should we take his word for it when so
many others in this field have tried to burn us

(02:19:22):
on the truth.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
I think that.

Speaker 8 (02:19:26):
My well, I don't know that I necessarily take his
word for it. I think what I do is I
try to look at what is the word if you will,
that every that the collective, if you will, all the
different people that have come forward over the last let's say,
you know, eight nine years, what are the similarities in

(02:19:48):
their stories?

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
And what are the outliers? What are the deltas?

Speaker 8 (02:19:53):
And at least in this statement, Lukasky seems to support
statements may pre by you know, Grush, by Jake Barber.
So it's it's the difficulty lines and timing. La Caski

(02:20:17):
has made this statement now after Grush and others have
made similar statements. So is he simply echoing what they've
already said, or is he actually providing confirmation from what
they've already said? And that's I think that's probably the
ultimate piece is that, well, if you really want to

(02:20:38):
break it down to day, the ultimate pieces is that
we continue to get people saying words but no evidence
to support their statements. And I think that's the point
you're trying to.

Speaker 3 (02:20:51):
Make, right.

Speaker 8 (02:20:51):
There's no videos, there's no pictures, there's no you know,
as far as I can tell, there's not even really
any bread CRuMs that somebody could use to file a
FOYA to get to any of that stuff. So the
only thing, the only other thing that he really said
in the weaponized interview that I thought was really interesting

(02:21:11):
is that the ConA Blue program is continuing. It never ended,
and so you know, maybe there's maybe there's something there
for the FOYA people that do foyas to go off
and try.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
To get information from. But to your point, or rather,
what we've seen over the last eight years is that
it's really hard, really hard to get video and photo evidence.

Speaker 4 (02:21:41):
To the public.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
Can we even buy the evidence?

Speaker 8 (02:21:50):
I think, well, I suspect that the database that Bass
put together when they were involved with all SAP, I
suspect it is chocked full of evidence. The difficulty lies
I've talked about this before, is that because Bass is
an independent contractor. They're not subject to FOYO requests, so

(02:22:16):
there's no there's no legal action that can be taken
to get to the database that Bass has from the
Allset program.

Speaker 1 (02:22:32):
The other point that you had mentioned was about oh Man, now,
now all of a sudden's escaped my mind. That's a
bad time to have it happen while on.

Speaker 8 (02:22:43):
The radio, that that Arrow is a yegence, the Arrow
is counterintelligence.

Speaker 1 (02:22:50):
Many people will buy into that because of the way
Doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of ARROW treated that
that program. He was caught numerous times falsifying evidence, untruths.

(02:23:11):
Probably the biggest was when he denied that he ever
met Brandon Fugel, owner of Skinwalker Ranch, knew nothing about
the ranch, had never heard anything about the ranch, and
then Feugal said pretty much gave him an FAA fa
FO and released a photo from the meeting where Fugel

(02:23:32):
was breaking down the high strangeness at Skinwalker Ranch. And
who's sitting in the background, Doctor Sean Kirkpatrick.

Speaker 8 (02:23:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think the I think the new
director of Arrow.

Speaker 3 (02:23:49):
Seems to be more open to.

Speaker 8 (02:23:53):
Investigating cases, but I also think that you know he's
gonna he's gonna go where his leadership tell him to go.
And so if his leadership doesn't have any intention of
actually investigating cases, then I don't think it'll go anywhere.
The other thing that Lakski and George Knapp in the

(02:24:18):
interview talked about was that AERO seems to be really
interested about just knowing who knows what. So they're really
interested about getting witnesses and whistleblowers to come and talk
to them and documenting all the stuff that they have
to know, but they're not actually doing anything with it
other than maybe harassing people you know who happened to

(02:24:40):
have their names mension by those folks.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
Well, continue to talk. The wizard Josh Rutlinch returns with
the UFO report right after this.

Speaker 3 (02:24:48):
And this is based out radio and your host's name stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:25:14):
All right, we're clear, buddy. Excuse me, did you mute yourself?

Speaker 4 (02:25:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
I was looking something up.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
Sorry, Oh that's all right. You don't have to talk
if you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (02:25:34):
No.

Speaker 11 (02:25:34):
I I was looking to see if I could find
something to occupy the second half because the CASKI stuff was,
I do have a it's hard, it'd be hard to

(02:25:56):
talk about, but I don't know if you've seen the
video of like the triangle looking thing flying over the
volcano and.

Speaker 4 (02:26:06):
Mexico. No, I haven't seen that video.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
I have not had a chance to research like where
the volcano is and the possibility that it's maybe like
the International Space Station just happened to be really bright
moving across the sky.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
But I'm looking at the video right now. Hold on,
let me don't like this here. I believe this is
the one you're talking about. Let me go here, Let
me go here, let me go here, let me go here.

(02:26:48):
Are you talking this one? Yep? Oh hot, damn. That's good.
That is good.

Speaker 4 (02:27:00):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
Man? It goes right through that smoke?

Speaker 8 (02:27:08):
Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely high, you know, you
can in relation to the volcano. But like I've captured
the International Space Station flying over before on night vision,
and I mean it's basically what we're looking at here
is a you know, no ir filter camera and it

(02:27:31):
kind of looks like that, like it looks anomalous. So
that's the only thing that I could think of though
that it could be, is they just happened to catch
the space station flying, you know, moving moving over.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
Well let's talk about this. This is an interesting part. Okay,
let's get to this. What do you say, Jared Carter
heavy on the ends, m hm, two minutes, Josh, all right,

(02:28:26):
my boy and I are batching it this weekend. Oh yeah, yeah,
Mama's going down to the coast to it's kind of
an exciting time. She actually gets to watch my daughter

(02:28:47):
try on wedding gowns. Oh yeah, that's very cool. And
she's like, do you want me to take pictures? Do
you want me to let you know? No, man, I said,
I said, we don't get many surprises anymore. And I
said when I said, I want to have that moment
where it's just me and I turn around and there

(02:29:09):
she is in all her beauty, and that's what I
look forward to. So I'm like, that'll be a nice moment.

Speaker 8 (02:29:21):
Yep, yeah, I have. I have a few more years
where I think about that. But yeah, I'm kind of
the same way, and I'd like to be I wanted
to be. I wanted to be genuine when you know,
I'm crying when I walk in.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
Oh, I'm going to be a basket case. I'm totally
going to be a basket case. Cosmic Joe, How you doing, buddy. Yeah,
she's not getting married till twenty twenty seven. But I
know I'm gonna be a basket case. It's gonna be awesome.

(02:30:08):
I'm gonna be in my suit. I'm gonna have Yeah,
she's making me wear a suit so dad doesn't wear suits.
And she's like, well you will for me. I'm like,
damn it, you're so right. All right, we're coming back
in like ten seconds.

Speaker 12 (02:30:27):
Okay, we rounded third.

Speaker 1 (02:30:57):
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(02:31:40):
here we go, Final half Hour with the Wizard Josh
Rutledge on the UFO Report Weird Sighting in Mexico, my friend.

Speaker 3 (02:31:50):
Very much.

Speaker 8 (02:31:50):
So it's actually if you so the video, you know,
for those that are watching on YouTube and such, you
can see the actual object. But it's from twenty twenty
four and it's August fifth, two twenty four, so a
little over a year ago, you know, a year in

(02:32:11):
three months or so, and got a volcano. It's a
camera that looks at the volcano, which you know, appears
to be active, and a light which kind of has
a triangular shape to it, moves from you know, kind
of beyond or behind the volcano, over the top of

(02:32:34):
the volcano, and then ultimately out of sight of the camera.
What's what I think is really interesting is it there's
a there's a time counter on the on the video,
and it looks like it's moving, you know, a regular
looks like it's moving a little fast.

Speaker 3 (02:32:55):
So it's possible that this is.

Speaker 8 (02:32:57):
Just a little bit of a time lapse thing, and
maybe that's why it looks like it's moving fast.

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (02:33:02):
I've seen a lot of videos though that people have
captured where they've done time laps videos, and so I
wonder if a lot of UFO craft moves slow because
we're looking for them to move fast, and so they
move slow. But when you speed up the video, then
you know it looks like it's obviously something anomalous more

(02:33:26):
so than just something prosaic. Anybody, by the way, that
wants to look at these, you can go to webcam
Webcams a plural dmxico dot com and that's where you
can look at all the different webcams around Mexico and
the volcano ones. This is just one of like eight

(02:33:48):
different volcano cameras. And I think this is also a
live feed that's available on YouTube, so that's probably where
this was found. Was people were going back to look
at previous live broadcasts and they stumbled across this very
interesting video.

Speaker 1 (02:34:08):
The issue that I have with this video is it's
getting so tough with AI now to try and break
it down. Did this really happen? I know it's time
stamped or is this somebody trying to pull a fast one?
Because I really like this video. I want it to

(02:34:29):
be real. I mean, to me, that totally looks like
a black triangle coming over the mountains horizon. But I
also could see, you know, the idea that due to AI,
I no longer trust videos. How do we trust this?

Speaker 8 (02:34:53):
Yeah, no, I get it for sure. I mean it's
it's definitely something that unfortunately is plaguiness. I mean AI
not just in videos with pictures and even sound clips
and things. It's just you know, stuff can be faked.
I will say that, you know, having gone to the

(02:35:16):
website to see that, you know, there is a camera
in fact setup that looks at the volcano. All of
the you know, all of the spelling on the bottom
of the page all looks correct, inappropriate. The only way
I think this would be AI is if somehow somebody

(02:35:37):
put an AI artifact over top of an existing video.
But there are times when on the timestamp on the
upper right hand corner that the time jumps a little bit,
and the artifact appears to match with those jumps. You know,

(02:35:58):
you can see it maneuver. It disappears when it kind
of moves beyond or behind the smoke that's being you know,
emitted from the volcano.

Speaker 3 (02:36:07):
I don't know. To me, this.

Speaker 8 (02:36:10):
Feels more like a natural video that was captured and
not AI. But like I was saying, off air before
we came back. My only concern is is that and
I haven't done the investigation to be able to say
for sure, But my only concern is is that potentially

(02:36:31):
they just happened to capture the International Space Station moving
over right, and it's just it's just really bright in
the night sky and you know, through a camera that
doesn't have an IR filter, and it looks triangular to
us because that's the way the light is radiating through
the atmosphere. But at all actuality, it's just the ISS

(02:36:51):
moving over.

Speaker 1 (02:36:55):
Yeah, it could be the way the trajectory is, the
way the s it is. It could be, you know
that the infrared camera exposing the light of the International
Space Station a little bit brighter. I could see that.
I just don't get the feeling it is though. I mean,
to me, this is a nice looking lit up triangle,

(02:37:17):
but history does show that triangles aren't all lit up
like that.

Speaker 8 (02:37:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean it's it definitely I
think is deserving of some actual investigation, you know, which
I'll which i'll probably i'll probably do tomorrow to try
to figure out, you know, is there a prosaic explanation

(02:37:43):
for it, and if not, you know, like Sherlock Holmes
and you know said, whatever remains however, you know, improbable
must be the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
It is something that is uh going to be interesting
to see. I would be very curious about that. And
how I found the video, in case anybody wants to
find the video. I went on X and I just
just typed in UFO over volcano in Mexico and it
popped right up. So very easy to find these videos.

(02:38:21):
That is the beauty of social media these days. But
man is that all you have to do is type
it in and it shows up. I do appreciate the
AI and the quickness and speed that it creates for
things like that. I really do.

Speaker 8 (02:38:38):
Yeah, I mean it's really another way that I've used AI.
And when it comes to UFO stuff is like this
weaponized episode that they just released with Lakski. I could
sit and watch it for fifty eight minutes, or I
could download the video and then I can use AI

(02:39:02):
to create a transcript of the video, and then I
can throw that transcript into chat, GPT or something like
that and say, hey, give me a summary of all
the key points that are set in this interview, and
then it'll summarize everything for me and let me know,
you know, what are the things that are worth looking
out for. And I can even say, give me timestamps

(02:39:23):
when these things recurred, and it'll do that as well,
and then I can jump to that section of the
video and watch it. So for you know, for wanting
or needing to do some type of investigation or needing
to just summarize a lot of content in a short
period of time.

Speaker 3 (02:39:41):
AI is fantastic for that as well.

Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
It's also in the UFO world could be the biggest detriment.

Speaker 3 (02:39:51):
Indeed.

Speaker 8 (02:39:52):
I mean, we we've always, we've always in the UFO
world had issues with hoaxes, even before or video and
photography with what it is today, there were you know,
guys putting Christmas lights on mylar balloons and you know,
inflatable remote control blimps and flying them around the neighborhood.

(02:40:16):
I actually saw a guy the other day jokingly saying
I'm going to create a UFO incident in my city.
And he had a helium balloon that was that had
flashing led lights inside the balloon, and then he had
an led like foam thing scrapped to the balloon and

(02:40:42):
he released it into the sky. So you know, here's
just somebody that just wants to I don't know cause
chaos and just continued to mutter. Are not mutter but
muddle muddy the waters as it relates to.

Speaker 1 (02:40:56):
UFOs, we have the wizard here, Josh Rutledge on spaced
Out Radio for the UFO Report. Josh, what else you
got for us?

Speaker 8 (02:41:11):
Oh goodness, you know, there there's a lot of I think,
what is really interesting. There was an interview that was
done by oh my goodness, I can't remember the name
of the person, but they recently interviewed Burlison about the
UAP hearings and his interest.

Speaker 4 (02:41:30):
In the topic.

Speaker 1 (02:41:33):
And it does seem like that the members of Congress
that have been involved in these UAP hearings do have
a genuine interest. I wondered, you know, part of me
wondered at once upon a time, if this was just
a play to attract you know, votes, if you will,

(02:41:56):
from people who are in maybe this, you know, this
a sub divide of the population. But the more I
listened to Burlison and Luna and you know, Tim Burschet,
the more that I think they either have had their
own experiences or they know someone close to them who

(02:42:19):
has had their own experiences. They just they seem to
have a really vested interest in finding something out.

Speaker 8 (02:42:29):
I used to think that it was also possible that
they wanted to they knew these programs existed, and they
just wanted to be read in so that they would
just be in the know on these things, kind of
like another rung on the ladder of you know, Washington,
d C. Politics, so to speak. Right, But I also,

(02:42:52):
you know, like I said, more and more I listen
to them to speak. You know that that could still
be part of it. But I do think they seem
to have a vested interest. So have you noticed, though,
that there does seem to be a little bit of
a media tour, even though the stories are quiet, there
is a little bit of a media tour going on,

(02:43:13):
talking about the same subjects over and over again. Yes,
I mean, and that's that's the unfortunate. I think truth
of current or modern upology is that, you know, in
the early days, you know, after the Kenneth Arnold incident,

(02:43:34):
you know and Roswell, there was a peak interest in
UFO topic and people were coming out of the woodwork
to try to get involved and share their sightings and
going to these different groups meetups and things and talking
to people, and we saw the boom of you know,

(02:43:56):
ufology in the forties and fifties and sixties and seventies
and so on. But then in the eighties, in late
seventies eighties, we started as a society, we started ridiculing
people for thinking about that UFOs must be real, or
that they must be or they could be even non

(02:44:18):
prosaic things. They could be aliens coming to visit us,
or interdimensional beings. We started to create the taboo around
the topic. And I think we're starting to see a
little bit of that ripple effect now where we have
an interest by Congress and we have a general interest

(02:44:40):
by the media to want to explore these things again,
we're kind of coming full circle. The problem is is
that we've conditioned people who are interested in this stuff,
or who have their own experiences or sightings, to be
very guarded and how much they share because they don't

(02:45:01):
want to be ridiculed.

Speaker 3 (02:45:03):
So unfortunately, what that.

Speaker 8 (02:45:05):
Means is it's a lot of talking about the same
topics because I don't think there's a I don't think
there's anybody pushing the envelope when it comes to uphology today,
and I don't want to toot my own horn, but
I I think like my topic where I'm looking at
how the energy lines of the Earth may relate to
you know, UFOs and paranormal experiences, that probably is one

(02:45:29):
of the few push the envelopes things that have been
discuss lately. You know, I can't think of his name
that it's all about Richard Dolan. We released a book
about usos, you know, underwater submersible objects or whatever those
you know, that whole book is a very interesting and

(02:45:51):
new way of looking at the phenomenon. Now Tim Burchett
has echoed that position, you know, talking about his being
hold about you you know, football field size UFOs that
are underwater moving at two hundred miles per hour. So
there is some movement pushing the envelope. But that's I

(02:46:12):
think what's missing is there's there's no one willing to
take all the stuff that's coming out and then think, well,
how can we look at the phenomena differently? And then secondarily,
how can we then create any type of test or
you know, can we look at this whole breadth of

(02:46:32):
case information and everything we've had over the last seventy
eighty years and put together some semblance of a theory
as to what may be new worth talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:46:46):
Well, I think it would be. It would be interesting
because I think with the media tour, a lot of
these guys and yes, you know government is still shut
down in the US. I think with a lot of
these guys are looking to a relevant and a great
way to get ratings for them. Looking at it, a
more simplistic view is talk to UFOs because the one

(02:47:09):
thing in media that we do know is there are
if you look at all the podcasts and all the
television shows now that are running UFO stories, a lot
of them are not running those stories because they're knowledgeable
on the subject. And it's not to take away from it,
because any any press is good press for this subject. Okay,

(02:47:34):
whether it's a podcast with thirty five followers or a
podcast with three point five million followers, right, Okay, any
press is good press on this. But I think what
happens is a lot of these shows when they are
struggling for listenership or they are struggling for people tuning in,

(02:47:58):
and they're trying to max buys views, they're trying to
maximize the algorithms, whatever it may be, a lot of
them actually do a UFO show because they see a
major rating strike okay or Spike Pardy not strike Spike.
And so if you're saying somebody like Tim Phillips or

(02:48:22):
not Tim Phillips, yeah, let's use Tim Phillips or Tim
Burschett one of the two, or any of them involved.
And you see a channel that has inquired to you
and it's got say four million subscribers, You're going to
go on that show. If Joe Rogan calls up, or

(02:48:43):
Julian Dorry or or Chris Ramsey or any of these
guys with massive YouTube channels, if any of them call up,
you're going to do the show.

Speaker 3 (02:48:58):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:48:58):
I mean, like you said, it's it's a way to
stay relevant in the topic. And even if even if
the you know, as I'm sure you know, subscribers doesn't
necessarily equate to views. But you know, even if you

(02:49:19):
have four million subscribers, but you know, if I guess,
what I would say is what I have found in
my own uh just talking to people, just random people.
People I see at the grocery store that we just
you know, standing in line and we get into a
conversation about something. Is that a lot of people, a

(02:49:44):
lot of people have had strange experiences in their life
and they've discounted it because of whatever whatever reason, but
the multitude of or different but.

Speaker 3 (02:50:00):
They've discounted it.

Speaker 8 (02:50:02):
But when they have an opportunity to share that they've
had this experience and get somebody's opinion who you know,
is at least involved enough to that, you know, they've
they've done something in there, you know, more so than
just a hobby. They want to share it. They want

(02:50:22):
to hear what you think it might be. So I think,
you know, the thing that's nice about those podcasts is
even if they're just trying to fill a gap and
you know, a time gap, or they're just trying to
pull in a relevant topic that's gonna potentially have a
spike in their viewership. At the end of the day,
the people who watch that episode, you know, they might

(02:50:47):
comment on the video and share their experience or or
you know, hopefully what they leave watching the episode with
is a sense that it's okay to talk about this stuff.
Like I said, we we deem it almost people who
have these type of experiences, we push them to the fringe.
Of society. But there's nothing wrong about having an experience

(02:51:12):
like this, and I think majority of the population have
probably had experiences like this. So the resounding message to
here is that it's okay to talk about it, and
you're not alone, and there are people out there who
want to listen.

Speaker 3 (02:51:31):
I'm one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:51:35):
I think we're all one of them. We're all Josh
Rutlands right now, we're all the wizard. Hey, you can't
make this stuff up, my friend. Tell everybody where they
can find your podcast.

Speaker 8 (02:51:47):
Yeah, you can find all of my stuff on my website,
my YouTube, my podcast, everything on my website, which is
our mystic journeys dot com. It's oh you are. Mystic
Journeys just put up a YouTube video the other day
about why I think UAP disclosure is dead, but there's

(02:52:08):
a way to rejuvenate it. And I've got a YouTube
video going up in the next couple of days that
talks about how the entity that Mike Batista saw in
his backyard, Matt is an entity that I saw in
my house.

Speaker 1 (02:52:22):
Oh wow, thank you, Josh. Since we say hello to
mister Ron bumblefoot Thal rocking in the background with little
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