Oct. 24/25 - The UFO Story with Grant Cameron - Spaced Out Radio

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We're going to have an amazing show tonight my hero,
my mentor, and one of the greatest minds in youpology.
Grant Cameron is here to join us momentarily. Then in

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our number three swamp Dweller will kick things off. Follow
that up Lee Strauss with the Q and A. We're
going to have a good time tonight, So let's get
right to it. You may know this guy is he's
only been doing ufology for about half a century. Grant
Cameron is a Canadian eufologist, formerly of Winnipeg, Alberta, now
living near all the knuckle heads in Vancouver. Yeah. He

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spent decades uncovering the hidden links between UFOs, government secrecy,
and human consciousness. Known for his groundbreaking research into President's
involvement in the UFO programs. Grant's investigations connect politics, disclosure,
and the deeper reality of contact. And we're going to
bring him right in, but before we do, we want

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to remind everybody Grant has an extreme collection of books
that he has written on the subject. You can find
them all on Amazon. Grant Cameron, it is always a
pleasure to have you on Spaced Out Radio. How are you,
my friend.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
I'm doing fine, Dave, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
I appreciate your interest and the fact you had nobody
else put on. Well, I do want to see my
friend Laurie from Toronto is here, and I welcome Laurie.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yes, LORI is. Laurie only comes in when we have
good Canadian people on. Otherwise she's like, She's like, get
rid of it, David.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Come on, I'm happy because the Blue Jay's won tonight. Ye,
you're going to win something, you know. I mean, I
can't believe we're actually cheering for the Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's terrible, isn't it. I refuse, as a New York
Yankees fan, I refuse to cheer for the Toronto Blue Jays. Refuse,
I can't. It's an American League East thing, you know,
so you know. But here we go, here we are.
It's hockey season now man hockey season, Grant. I want
to make one quick announcement for people who haven't heard.

(04:51):
Everybody has heard the rumor that up here in twenty
twenty six we are going to be putting on spaced
out radio is going to be helping put on what
we call the carab Boo Con. That's c A R
I b oo co n N or Con Caribou con
and our featured speaker for the weekend will be none

(05:12):
other than mister Grant Cameron. And I am so excited
to have you up September eighteenth through twenty twenty twenty six,
and that we've booked you in early. So now you
you can't say you're combing your hair or washing the
dishes that weekend because you're going to be up here
in the beautiful Caribou region speaking about UFOs.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah, I've heard that rumor that you're you're having this
big show there. That's that's impressive because we don't have
many conferences in Canada and it's it takes a lot
of hoodspot to pull off a conference because you can
lose a lot of money and it's always touch and
go as to what people are doing on that weekend.
So I'm glad you're you've done one before which I attended,

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and I'll be glad to do whatever I can to
help you with this one, and we'll recruit some of
these whatever. We got four million people here in Vancouver
and we'll get some of them up there because there's
lots of people that are sort of coming out the
woodwork here in Vancouver now and lots of good stories.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well it is. It is a story time when it
comes to UFOs and Grant, you've been doing this for
half a century, started with Charlie Redstar. Did you ever think,
looking back after that Charlie Redstar incident that UFOs fifty
years later would still be your hot topic of interest.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
No, that's what I didn't think.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
I thought that somebody had to figure it out, because
as I've told the story that the first night, I
thought it was all very spectacular, and I suddenly realized
there were miracles, that this kind of stuff actually did happen.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
There's no doubt what I had seen.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
And then the second night, as it was flying away,
it came at me the second night and then sort
of turned around and flew away, and then I'm thinking, like,
what's it doing?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
It's not doing anything.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
And then then I thought, well, this is all very amazing,
but somebody's got to know what's going on here, on
what's going on here? And you know, I sort of thought, well,
maybe this extraterrestrial spacecraft, which I think everybody back in
seventy five he either didn't believe it or you believed
it was probably probably extraterrestrial.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
So it's flying away.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
I figured, you know, like like a lot of people
describing euthology, where I figured, you know, we'll make a
couple of phone calls, we'll do a few things, and
we'll solve this thing.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
We'll find out who's got the answer. And I'm still looking.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
And I went from the Canadian government there's all these
synchronicities to my father was about for the Department of
Transport that Paul Hellier ran, plus he ran defense department
and the Canadians. I learned a little bit, and then
I went from there to the former president Penn State
University was the head of the military think tank in

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the United States, and he told us a few things,
and then went to the president. Figure out, the president's
got what the heck's going on here? He's the most
powerful guy in the world. And I got a little more,
but I got the impression, well, you know, there wasn't
really any documents to look at, and I really didn't
know there. And then it just gradually kept going until
now I maintain that it is the people that are

(08:03):
dealing with the intelligence that have the answers, if there
are any answers to get. But after fifty years, what
has become clear to me is that it gets more
complex and more complex and more complex. And you've been
around for a while, and anybody that's been around, especially
as long as I have, knows that in seventy five
it was a very simple thing. There was there was

(08:24):
UFOs flying around, There was one, two, three reports of
abductions when I got my experience. Travis Walton even hadn't
even been inducted yet. He was abducted later in the
year of the same year that I was involved, And
the year I was involved was when Linda aug got involved,
when Bud Hopkins got involved, when the Swiss story, the

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Big Bill Meyer's story happened, when the nuclear based thing happened,
with being over the nuclear basis, the first Near Death
Experience was written the same time as Travis Walton was abducted,
and those nuclear based things happened on the same time

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that Travis walt was abducted. And I pointed out just
in the last year when I discovered it, is that
every night that Travis Walton was gone, there was a
UFO over a nuclear weapons storage area or a bunker.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
In the United States.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Every single lady was gone, there was a report of
a UFO over a nuclear weapons storage area.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And so the more I look at.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
It, it started off very simple, there's going to be
extraterrestrial and these aliens lost in space. And I'm one
of the people now that's sort of throwing that out
the window and said, nah, I don't think so. I
don't think it's going to be extraterrestrial. It's going to
be very very complex. It's going to be highly spiritual,
which a lot of people aren't going to like. And
it's going to have to do with consciousness, which a

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lot of people don't like either. They want to, you know,
sort of walk away. You can see that. I was
just talking to somebody today. I'm on some of these
painkilling dogs that I I don't my mind doesn't worked well.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
But I was having a discussion.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
I was with Ray Hernandez and that was last night,
and we were talking about this thing that when you
go to like a Consciousness Life Expert, which is supposed
to be a conference on consciousness, you can go there.
I can go there and your lecture. Ray talked about
the same figure that he got thirty five people for
a lecture at this place where there's like whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Some people said thirty thousand people. I don't know if
it's that many.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
They have like a Spanish section in an English section,
and then across the hall. I remember the Blue Avian
thing was going on and they had sold seven hundred tickets,
had like eighty dollars a ticket or seventy five dollars
a ticket, and I'm going, this is insane. I got
thirty five people and that it's like there's one hundred
people in the hall that they oversold the room. And
these people are all upset and they want their money

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back and we got ripped off here and can they
sell so many seats and stuff like that, and I'm going,
this is insane. So consciousness is something that it's coming
online more and more people are talking about it. Absolutely
convinced that that is the bottom line. You got to
understand how the world works. And that's what we got
to do. We're working at backwards. We're going from UFO

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sightings and we're trying to move it back from there.
We've got to start from the how reality actually works.
And that's what I spend a lot of my time
doing now is going through this whole quantum physics thing
and consciousness and what is primary and how the world
began and all this kind of stuff, and I think
I sort of understand what's going on now, but most

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people are still wandering around in you know, entertainment, which
is what apology comes down to in many respects.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's basically fear is what works on the Internet.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
So a lot of the stuff is fear the evil aliens,
that gets you a lot of clicks, that makes your money,
and the whole entertainment thing that you've got to entertain people.
And people are entertained by sightings and you start getting
into the philosophy of consciousness and how the world works,
people start their eyes start to roll back in their
heads and they just it's It's what Jim Semivan, the

(12:05):
two star general to CIA, described as it's indigestible. He said,
when you get all this inside stuff as to how
it may actually work, this very complex stuff, it he is,
he said, like you've got half the people in the
United States read at a great, great six level, and
you just can't drop this stuff on people when when
they start to describe what's actually at the bottom line

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of this thing. And he actually described and I may
have talked about this last Armison but he talked about
the briefing, so he has his experience, and he's all
upset about the fact that they violated his civil rights.
He's the head spy for the US running covert ops
and these these beings are in his room and he's
all upset that they violated is his his privacy and

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all this kind of stuff. And I'm thinking, really like
the CIA, that you ask for permission when you go
steal stuff people stuff for you know, infiltrate countries and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
But anyway, he.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Got a briefing when he left Ron Pandelphia is the
story I heard got briefed. He got briefed when he left.
They told him when he was in the sea, I'd
leave it alone, pretend it's one off. There's nothing you
can do about it. It's just going to ruin your
career if you talk about it. And when he left
Ron Pandelphia, according to the story I got, was he
was briefed and then he talks about this seven hour
briefing that he got.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
He was told to get a.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Conference room for six to eight hours inside the CIA,
and he said people scientists and military contractors who had
as many security clearances as he did, walked in and
talked to him for seven hours and scared the living
daylights out of him. And they asked him after, they
said would you like another briefing? He said, no, I've
seen enough. I don't want any of more briefings. And
he was asked what did they discover in the briefing?

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What was the bottom line? He said, yeah, they did
discover some stuff and it was a UFO. He said, no,
nothing UFO there, basically. And he made this bet that
I'll bet a year of my pension that they haven't
got anywhere, that they basically got anything. But he said,
what they did discover, it was all the size, all
the psychic phenomena, psychic kinesis, all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
It's all real. And he was going, gets real.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
I thought this was all garbage and they were going
through this and this, and he said he walked around
for three months in the days that that he just
couldn't believe that this stuff was for real and that
the CIA had unraveled some of this stuff, and his
wife would look at him and wonder what was wrong
with him.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
And you can take a look at that.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
So if you've got the top spy for this for
the CIA who gets blown away by a briefing that
he's given seven hours. That's why he said, it's indigestible.
You simply cannot drop this stuff on the American population.
There's they're not ready for it. There's absolutely no way,
I mean, and you can see that he wasn't ready
for it. That when you start to look at it,
it gets very complex and very very weird, and uh,

(14:45):
it's it's something that I think the phenomena is actually
controlling the situation there there. As they told me, I
got it as clear as day. They said, what are
you worried about? You're all concerned about this stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Don't worry. We know how to land the plane.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
So I one of my disclosure book that called, you know,
beyond managing magic landing the plane, which is this concept
that they gave me that they've done this on a
lot of planets and they know what they're doing, and
they know exactly how to unravel this thing and drop
the breadcrumbs and do all this kind of stuff, and
that when we're.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Ready for it, we'll be ready for it. But it
isn't anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Brandon Fugel, owner of Skinwalker Ranch, recently responded to a
comment on x basically saying that he doesn't believe there
will be any sort of disclosure from the governmental side.
He believes that there's too much involvement within the military
industrial complex, not just in the United States, but that

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tentacles from the military industrial complex have grown and slithered
their way into other countries that could potentially bring it out.
He thinks that disclosure has to come from more of
a grassroots, civilian level. What's your thoughts on this, Grant.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, I would agree with him.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
He's probably getting some stuff through George Knapp and through
Bob Bigelow. I mean, you take a look at Bob Bigelow.
Bob Bigelow has basically left the field. He's been gone
from the field for what fifteen years since he ran
the asset program. He doesn't do it anymore. He has
this consciousness institute, but he's gone back to putting modules
on the space station. And it's like the old idea

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of how do you make money at apology? Well you don't.
And so if there was really if they were really
on the leading edge of discovering this stuff, then Bigelow
would have stayed in it.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
But that sort of.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Confirms Jim semi Van's story that they really haven't got anywhere,
They really don't know because it has this consciousness.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Backside to it that they just can't grasp.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
So I think he's right in terms of when we
talked to doctor Eric Walker, and that's where this entertainment
thing comes up. Walker said, admit it, you're just curious.
Admit it, that's all You're interested and you're just curious
to want to hear a story. Why should we change
the rules and regulations to satisfy your curiosity? And that's
what it comes down to, is they really don't care,

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because I mean, if they really haven't say they've discovered
five percent of the consciousness thing, they sort of understand
a little bit about it.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Are you going to put that.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
On the table for the Russians who they know have
been working on this and the Chinese. I even had
somebody that I've encouraged to go to China and do
a documentary on the Chinese kids from the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
CIA was very interested in these kids.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
These kids were doing psychokinesis, they were moving stuff around tables,
so stuff that's nineteen eighty three, and I know how
put off had given material to Bob Emmenegger to go
to China to do a documentary on this, so the
CIA was watching this. So if you get China and
Russia are working on the consciousness aspect, and you put
your stuff on the table and the Russians aren't going
to confirm and say, oh, okay, here's our stuff, then

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they're just going to say thank you very much, a
bunch of idiots, and we'll go from there.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
So that's part of the problem.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
The other one that I have is that's the way
mil teary technology works is it's black ops and when
they're finished with it, they control everything. So you can
see in the United States of America it's basically anything
that has they can claim as national security implications like
Canadians lumber and.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
You say, well that's national security, and you basically get
this situation where they work on it, they control it.
DARPA controls all the leading stuff, and if you're working
on something that you're about to you know, break it
wide open, they'll come and classify your stuff and put
you in the background and call the National security on you.
And what you have is this situation where they use

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it and then they hand it down and the pro
the best example was GPS. So GPS was the discovery
of the American military of the DARPA people. And when
they went to version two or version three or whatever,
the version one was really another use. Then they gave
it to the public. And I just got an email today.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
And just frozen up there because I'm.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Really fascinated with to say, I think I don't get
much into it, but I used to these A things
and I'm I'm just like absolutely infatuated with what this
thing can do in terms of research. So I'm working
on this and then I sent it to a friend
of mine and I said to him, like, this is amazing.
I said, one of the articles that I had that
I did composed for me, or one of the audios
that and I'm putting these audios and videos on my
Facebook and Twitter. But I sent him on and he said,

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remember I told you that I worked for the US
Intelligence for computers back in the two thousands. And I said,
it's like yeah, and he says, well, maybe you should
have a show on where all this AI stuff came from,
he sort of laughing, and it's the deal, like this
these large language models have been in control of the
military and DARPA and intelligence people for a long time,

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and now this thing's filtering down into into the public
and we think that somebody discovered, you know, all these
large language models, whereas the militaries had this stuff for
twenty years, and all we're seeing is the sort of
their throw off stuff that they don't anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you think then that they are now from the
Pentagon to the Congress and the Senate, that they are
trying to figure out a way to get this back
underneath the rug where it belongs in their opinion.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, they've done that already.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
The closest we came was the Schumer Amendment, and I
have said numerous times that if it had not been
if the Democrats had had six more votes in the
House of Representatives, they would have controlled the Armed Services
Committee and the Intelligence Committee, there would have been a vote.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
It would have been positive.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
So the vote it was positive for all this sort
of stuff where the president is going to be in
charge of the president is running the show. This is
an executive branch show, no matter what anybody thinks. That's
why they figure they don't have to tell Congress about it.
So the president be over top of nine people, and
they would have subpoena power to call in anybody and
make them testify. The contractors would have to give their

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their material back and stuff like that. And what happened
was that the Democrats didn't control the House, so the
Senate passed it, and then these two guys that ran
the Armed Services and the Intelligence Committee said we're going
to block this, and they got Mike Johnson on board,
and it became a party line vote and it was

(21:20):
game over. They didn't have the Democrats didn't have the
votes to push it through, and so that whole thing folded.
And then they brought it up again last year wherever
it would like a gain, and it's like, what are
these people stupid? And they didn't have the votes the
first time, that kind of the votes. The second time,
it basically came down to party line vote. If there
have been six more Democrats, we would have disclosure today,
because basically what it was was complete opening of the files.

(21:43):
This nine person committee under the president, all the material
handed back eminent domain and there's nothing anybody could have
done to stop it. So we did come very close
to disclosure. But as long as you've got situations where
these guys have got money. And I'll give you the
prime example is if you take a look at the
new ballroom that's been put on the on the White House,
you will see that seven of the country companies that

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are putting money to this three hundred million dollars or
whatever are connected to military. They're either military contractors or
they're connected to military contractors, and one of them is
Lockheed Skunkworks. So anybody that thinks that the president who's
running the show is in control of this thing, is
going to turn Lockheed skunk Works and tell them to
return their flying saucer when they're given millions of dollars

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to what he wants to do. And you can remember
that the president's in right now, a lot of his
money is coming from big time corporations, and he's not
going to turn against his big time corporations. The president
has to green light this thing, if there's a if
there's a disclosure, and as long as these people are
providing money, there's no chance he's going to turn up
against turn against the corporations and and put a knife

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in their back after they've given him millions and millions
of dollars.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, no, and the fact that you know you don't
want to break that ability to hide things that you
don't want out there. Grant.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, but you got to realize, I don't know what
it is.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
It's like how many pages of black ops we're worried
about one. They have thousands and thousands of these programs
that are being run sort of off the books. And
we got attention now because ever'd be's sort of interested
in this one. But there's scores and scores of these things.
This is how they've done the business since the nineteen forties.
And it all comes through fear. It comes through the

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idea that in World War Two they've invented two hundred
different things like jet engines and plastic explosives and radar
and all this kind of stuff, and it works so
good they said, wow, we should keep doing this. And
because before World War Two the Americas really didn't have
much of technology of anything, they were behind the scenes
and they developed this system of keeping it quiet again,

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hiring the best people they could and controlling it. And
then after sput Nek, for sure, when they got nailed
by sput Neck, when Sputneck beat them to space, that's
when they developed DARPA, and DARPA's main mission is never
again will anybody beat us.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
To the punch. We're not going to get caught blind again.
And that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
They always want to be at the leading front edge,
and you can't if you're going to be giving away
all your secrets as to what you discovered and what
you haven't discovered.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Grant, we're gonna get you to hold on right there
because we are going to go to break here at
the bottom of the hour. Legendary UFO researcher is absolutely
the number one guy in my world. Grant Cameron is here.
He is hanging on out with us talking to UFOs
all night long. This is spaced Out Radio and our

(24:30):
good friend Grant Cameron, based out of Vancouver, British Columbia,
talking to UFOs. We will continue at the disclosure talk
when we return and we'll ask him about Roswell Alien body. Yeah,
we'll get to that next on the Mighty SR Stay tuned. Everybody,

(25:09):
all right, we are clear?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:13):
All right?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Oh man, YouTube did something with the names of everybody
and now all of the names are just absolutely screwed up. Uh. Candice,
how are you Jennifer or probably Jennifer with the soft Jay.
Nice to see you, ye who else? I think we're

(25:39):
caught up there?

Speaker 7 (25:54):
H all right.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Here already eleven eleven, eleven, eleven, eleven, eleven eleven. How
are you? Yea and see eleven eleven eleven, eleven, eleven
eleven eleven eleven. I'm still eleven. That's funny. That's funny.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I gotta go pick up my trail cams on Sunday.
See see if you've got any action out of the
gifting site.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I gonna say that you got.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I got two sites, but the one is where I
only put trail cams up. I haven't been much to
my my previous sight. Probably should go there, but I'm
giving it some time off. You know, poor fab here,

(27:19):
he's just dying. That is that his Dodgers got shit
kicked tonight.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
It's kind of surprised. It didn't look start off very
well for them.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
You don't put up a nine spot on the Dodgers though, man,
holy cow. Yeah, you don't put up three field goals
against some in one inning.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, because they did look pretty dominant in the first
first team. I actually went for coffee I said to Mgid, Okay,
that's it. They're supposed to score in the seventh. So
he said, well the way to the seventh. I said,
I'm out of here. It looks I think it's over already.
I went there for coffee and then the Jets one,
so I think the Edmonton I'm not sure what's happening

(28:02):
with Edmonton. Are they going to sign Connor?

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, they got him two years. They locked him up
two years.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh they did.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, he took a hometown discount of twelve and a half.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
They were expecting him to go after that guy in
Minnesota that Russian signed Minnesota for like seventeen a year.
They figured Connor was just it was basically an open
check book, what do you want, right, And they expected
him to go like eighteen nineteen, maybe even twenty, and
he's like, now, twelve and a Half's good, let's win,

(28:36):
find us a goalie, let's win.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
What the heck is wrong with Minnesota? That's that's absolutely.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Insane, especially for a Russian that literally spends a thirty
of the year injured. Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
The Russians, except for a Vegmin, most of them are like,
oh I know, they go good for a year and
then they go a flat and then they yep, a
Vegmans scored again.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh man, I love Alexandrovechkin. I do, I do? I
love Alexandrovechkin. Parasola, how are you? I watched him in
the two thousand and six entry Draft in Vancouver because
he was drafted, and four I'm covering the NHL Draft

(29:22):
in six in Vancouver and I'm watching him literally run
through Rogers Arena and every kid in that building that
wanted a photo got a photo. Wow. Yeah. And then
then I partied with him at the Roxy after that.

(29:45):
Is that right? Oh yeah, yeah. That was a good weekend.
Good weekend. Don't remember much, but it was a good weekend.
I know that. Yeah. We got about thirty seconds, Grant, Okay,
all right, fifteen seconds. Thank you to Pam Midnonight, Abe

(30:19):
Lori and t Bone for the super chat. Thank you
for our new subscribers. Greatly appreciate all of you. And
here we go in five seconds. Everybody, all right, here

(30:51):
we go with the second half hour of Spaced Out
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here on tonight's show. Before we bring Grant back on,
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Space Travelers Club. Here we go, Grant Cameron is here.

(31:36):
I'm telling you, I never know what to say because
I just I look at the man and I'm just
like Wow, Grant Freaking Cameron on spaced Out Radio. I
love it. Grant. You can find all the Grant's books
on Amazon. How many books you have out there now?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
About twenty, but I've got about five that has been published.
They finished with them very nice. I'm more interted in
research in publishing.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I hear you there, I hear you there. Well, You're
a great collection to add to anybody's UFO library, that
is for sure. And if they don't have your books,
We'll shame on you. You absolutely should. You recently put
something out on social media about the Roswell Alien body.
What's this about?

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah, that was in an interview I did with Katie Page,
who's worked that. She just put a book out on
the Snippy the Horse the First or the Horse Mutilations
in sixty seven, and I did the first interview with her,
and then we did another one because she's got so
many stories. I don't know if you've had her on,
but she's just fascinating. And it's been to the Eyes

(32:42):
in our library, and has been to the Laramie the
library there where Leo Sprinkles files are, and the guy
wh wrote the first Crash lost her book, his files
are there.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
And so we had a lot of chatting.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
We're talking about going to archives, and she's one of
the few people that ever goes to archives. I was
so impressed with her her knowledge and stuff like that.
And then she starts talking about this thing that she's
she knows where this body is, and this this whole
thing comes. I guess she's in the Denver area, and
my memory is so bad that I don't you have
to go there and look on my I think I

(33:19):
posted the interview on both Twitter and Facebook within the
last seventy two hours.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
But the basic.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Underline of the story was they sort of knew where
this was and they interviewed there's a judge involved. So
I said, well, how does the judge get involved with this?
And it was in the basement of a funeral home,
and it was in this crypt, inside of crypt, inside
of crypt, and this one guy, she tells the story,
this guy goes there and he opens this thing and

(33:49):
this body's there like a little child, and so they
start tracking back and the interview the I think they've
got some interviews from the judge. Definitely got interviews from
the wife of the judge and did a lot of
research on this, and she's going to be giving this
lecture talking about her discovery and at the the big

(34:12):
one contact in the Desert next year. And so she
was talking about it and I said, well, trying to
get out of her where it was, and she almost
told me the story that John Lear told me. She said,
it's we know where it is, but you can't get
to it, something to that effect. And that's what John
Lear told me back in the day. Because we covered

(34:34):
John Lear and the area fifty one story as was
happening back in eighty nine. We published our book first
book in nineteen ninety one. But when I was talking
to John Lear about the one one five stuff, I
knew that they had these two pieces. And I had
heard the story about they did these experiments and that
George nappit said he'd seen the piece and the experiments

(34:56):
that were being done on and stuff like that. So
I knew if George Nap said he saw the one
one five and they were doing these experiments inside this
aquarium thing, yeah, then that that was real. And so
I knew there was a second piece, and it's been
there's a story that had been moved to a different state.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
So I'm trying to get out of John, like where's
the piece?

Speaker 5 (35:13):
And he said, uh, it's still It's still around. We
know where it is, but you can't get to it.
And I'm thinking, like, what do you do? You stick
it in a in a basement of a casino, in
the in the foundation or something. It was almost the
same answer, and so she's going to describe I think
where this body is and it sounds like I said, well,
by the time, by the time this thing, this show's over.

(35:35):
Half hour after her show's over, the government's gonna have
moved it. And that's when she basically indicated, no, they
can't move it. It doesn't matter if they they want
to move it, they can't move it. So it's pretty
intriguing story. And this is one of the Roswell bodies,
and there's there's a lot of stories about the where
these bodies went and who autopsied them. I know Kit
Green was chasing around and he was trying to get
this briefing. In fact, one of the documents I leaked,

(35:57):
I thought it was more significant. I leaked the Bill
Leak document, but it was the alien autopsy document.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I thought it was the best document.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
That I that we had leaked, and nobody wanted to
do it, even the guy who released it to me,
James Rigney, he said, well, maybe should hold that document back.
I don't know about that document. He said, well, it's
coming from Edgar Mitchell's collection. I'm gonna put it out.
Why don't we just put it out? What's the big deal?
And he thought was so crazy. You know, that alien
autopsy was real and stuff like that, and so that

(36:28):
that document never got off the.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Ground, but it's still around, it's on the internet.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
And that was the one where Kit Green said, yeah,
this is all for real, and that you know, he
had been given I know how many opportunities to see bodies.
And I heard that from Eric Davis when I knew
Eric Davis back in the day two thousand and two
before he started talking to me, and he had told
me the story that Kit Green, even though he was
this high level CIA guy that was the remote control

(36:55):
the contract for the remote control program for the CIA,
he'd always wanted to be brief on UFOs. He knew
a lot about UFOs, but he wanted it because he
was a physiologist. He wanted to be briefed in read
in on the alien autopsy. And that's what the alien
autopsy document is all about. It is about this thing
where it actually admits, yeah, this is a real document.
There's all these emails going back between him and Eric,

(37:19):
Eric Davis and put and Bigelow and stuff like that.
It was all he said, It was all real, and
it was all this whole thing about Kit Green's sort
of efforts to try to get a briefing, and he
would talk about the fact that he believed they were
trying to take him for a ride that just when
they were going to show him the stuff, they would say,
they'd call it off.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
You'd go to the Pentagon.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
And I thought that was very intriguing this thing, and
that may be the most highly classified thing they got.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
So forget about the what people want.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
The people want the stuff like, you know, we're gonna
have free energy and we're gonna strip the leaves off
the trees twice as fast as we're doing it right now.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And you know, we're.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Gonna the same guys that run the oil conglomerates are
going to own the UFO technology and stuff like that.
But I think that the most secret technology that they
have is going to be the DNA of the aliens.
And that's the interesting part because this is this whole
idea back in the day when they said, you know,
ufosts can't exist because you can't get here from there,

(38:16):
and then the other thing was that they wouldn't look
like us. This is this whole random theory, and this
is where I say, you've got to start looking at
the actual theory of reality, how reality is built, and
our modern world says that it's all random it's all
happening by accident. That you know, all this stuff's happened
by accident. And that's the big killer with the UFO
subject is if it's at random, it's an accident, there's

(38:38):
no chance, absolutely no chance, that they're going to look
exactly like us. That would mean that their patterns, all
the accidents all happen the same on their planet, has
happened on our planet, and they came to look the same.
So that was the big thing, and that's where the
actually came I say they came up with the multiple
world theory.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
It was all these constants.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
There's all these constants that says the universe is fit
for making life, and we are. Everything's perfectly matched, and
everything's on tune and everything's working perfectly, and that that
this this whole idea, it couldn't.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Happen by accident.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
And so that's when they changed the whole thing and said, well,
that's if your galaxy, you're you just put one galaxy.
If there's unlimited numbers of galaxies, then anything's possible. And
this is the thing. You just jock around with the numbers.
You just change the numbers to change the the odds
that that are that are against you. And so the
the DNA is going to be extremely important this thing
with the bodies as to if it matches ours, then

(39:32):
what do you say there?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Uh? And uh, how does it fit with ours?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
And I've heard rumored stories before that this is the
most highly highly compartmentalized material and that's confirmed by the
fact that Kit Green, who ran the weird desk at
the CIA, on all the weird stuff.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
And Eric Davis was not lying to.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Me when he told me that that he just simply
couldn't get He could get briefed on all sorts of stuff,
he just could not get briefed on the alien autops
even though he knew who who the people did the
autopsy were. And at one point they were going to
bring him in on it. They were gonna they were
gonna he was gonna replace one of the scientists that
was the physiologist that was involved. The guy had died,
he means to be brought in and then of course

(40:13):
they called it off the last minute and stuff like that.
I think that is going to be the ultimate uh secret,
is what does that DNA say? Because that basically tells
us about being alone in the universe. Or whether it's
all connected. If it's the same as us, then you
have a world that has all the patterns they just follow.
The world is being built through patterns, and that there

(40:34):
there's an upper intelligence that's that's doing this stuff. It's
not happening randomly. And that's where you get the I say,
when it comes down to the final disclosure, if it
does get disclosed, I say, it's not gonna be the
religious people that are going to be jumping up bridges.
The stock markets can not going to melt down. But
I am assured that all the PhD guys who graduated

(40:54):
at MT are going to be fighting over the Sinai pills.
Thinking we paid sixty thousand dollars a year to go
to school and most of the stuff we were told
was wrong.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
And that's where this fight is is that people just
can't believe.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
What would that be wrong about?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Well everything, the idea that the world is random, that
the world is a materialist that you get the whole
thing with the brain on almost ninety percent of more
of neurologists say consciousness is an epi phenomena of the brain.
I don't care what you say, and it's not. And
we know from experiments with the telepathy kids and stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Like that, that there's this big, serious problem.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
But if your career is built, or if you've spent
fifty thousand a year to go to school and you
come along, you can go to any scientist and they'll
say to you like, I remember the one and when
I do the one to do the DNA experiment where
jay Z Knight said that when she channeled Rampta, her
DNA changed and she had three different labs of stuff.
Went to and I said, well, and people said, well,

(41:49):
she's lying. I said, well, maybe she's lying. Yeah, but
let's run another test.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
How hard is it.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
We'll get Bashar, We'll get some of these people a
trans channeler, and let's see and if it turns out
that they DNA stays the same, well then I'll say
I'm wrong. But if it's not, I mean, the world
gets flipped upside down. And I remember I was talking
to a biologist to help me, or a guy who
was a DNA expert. He said, Grant, let me explain
to how DNA works. I said, you don't need to

(42:14):
explain to DNA. I know what you're going to say.
I don't really care what people think DNA works. I said,
I just want to run this experiment. I want to
get a second trans chandler and if their voice changes
and their eye color changes, that's DNA, and I want
to run the experiment. So that's the thing is you
have the vast majority of people in the scientific field.
We'll say we're scientists, you're not a scientist. That's when

(42:36):
I was when I was at when I was running
the bar at the faculty club lounge at the Invers
of Mattoba, all these deep deans and professors and people
were coming in there, and he used to the one
guy used to argue with me, and he was the
dean of plant science. And then at one point I
said to them, I said, you're a you're a plant scientist.
You know how to plant a rose. What do you
know about UFOs? And he said nothing. And people don't
realize that when you get a look at a chemistry degree,

(42:58):
they say I'm a scientist.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
No you're not.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
You're a chemists using the scientific method. And people want
to say, well, i'm a scientist and I'll tell you
how this works. You haven't studied it. So that's what
you're going to see in the UFO community is that
the vast majority of people who are claiming that that
that that this is nonsense have not seen the evidence.
It's like Stanton Freeman used to say, don't don't don't,

(43:20):
don't mix me with the don't mess me around with
me the facts. I already know what's going on. Stuff
like that, And that's what you get is people, uh,
their careers are on the line. That's why people don't
want to go on the on the record because they're
afraid of tenure. People will say, don't bring up UFOs
or paranormal phenomena until you're finished tenure, because you're going
to lose all your grants. You're you are not if

(43:41):
you're talking about woo wu stuff, you are not going
to get any grants from the people who are running it.
We're we're in a situation where they it's like taking
your paper that says there's no virgin birth and then
going to the priests and then sending it up to
the peer reviewed cardinals and bishops, and then it goes
up to the Pope.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
What do you think they're going to say, Yeah, that's
a good idea, let's go with that. I mean, they're
going to cut it down.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
The scientists today are the modern the priests and cardinals
of this world. They have set views and if you
go across that view of the standard thing. Even I
he was even looking the other day of Max Plank.
Max Plank made this famous story about the one funeral
a lot of time. He said, you do not convince
your opponent that he's wrong by showing him the evidence.

(44:25):
You win by when your opponent dies and the new
generation is not offended with the idea. And that's this
idea of one one funeral a lot of time. So
I figured, well, Max Plank is now super famous as
being the father of quantum physics. So I go back
and I said, you know, I go to AI and
I said, was he ostracized in terms of his day?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
The people shut him down? Why would he make that statement?

Speaker 5 (44:47):
And it was excuse everybody was attacking him, saying, you're
absolutely insane.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
You know what are you doing? You're you You've got
it all wrong.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Or when I contacted the guy who won the Nobel
Prize for super conduct and he's the guy that was
was he started to believe in esp and he made
it public.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
He was at Camber Cambridge University, he won the pH d.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
He won, he won the Nobel Prize for physics, and
he was not allowed to deal with graduate students. This
is this is like toxic in the in the community
of science that is running the world today in terms
of if you cross them, you're done.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I mean your career is over.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, I was just actually going to say that. I mean,
you know, there are so many rules of guidelines now
that it seems that scientists have to play because it
is about tenure, it is about grants, you know, both
public and private grants. It's it's literally everything except science
and about towing the company line. When science is supposed

(45:45):
to be about exploration. These scientists should be excited about
the fact that there might be life coming here. There
might be like you take three I Atlas, which is
behind the Sun right now as we heading towards Earth.
I mean, a VI lobe from Harvard was basically saying, look,
I believe this is a comet or an asteroid, whatever

(46:07):
it may be, but there is a chance, because of
the way it's acting that it could be something else.
And yet he's being castigated by his own community for
having to dare publicly talk about such a thought that
it could be minutely, but it could be a UFO.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
There's another example is we have the Sole conference, which
is like the big LTTI doc conference now for you know,
big people to go to and stuff like that, and
Gary Nolan put out a statement you know that there
was going to be no woo allowed at the conference.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
It's not going to talk about this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
It's not that they don't agree that consciousness is a
part of the thing, but the idea was, well, first
we're going to approve it's nuts and bolts and that
there's actual saucers where then we'll go to the consciousness thing.
And that's the old idea that you keep doing the
same thing over and over again for eighty years and
you don't get anywhere, and you just keep doing it
believing that you've got to come to a different conclusion.
And so he has a statement that goes completely contrary

(47:06):
to that. He said, why if you're if you're a
good scientist, why would you take anything off the table?
That's the actual rule is you even take but it
doesn't really fall into anybody's category. Everybody knows it is
a toxic issue, and so I mean, what does it
belonged to the chemists, the physicists, the astronomers of every
used to be the thing about astronomy, and it's like
why we talk it to astronomers, for like, what would

(47:27):
an astronomer know about UBOs? Absolutely nothing. You know, you
can count stars and color spectrums of stars and stuff
like that, you know nothing about the UFOs that there's there.
There is no field. There's a field of euthology, but
it's not an academic field. So it's like when you
go into if you want to get a research money,
you have to get some faculty, whether it's chemistry or
physics or biology or somebody to take it on to

(47:49):
request the grants. And they're not about to do it.
They've got their own little games that they're playing in
their little contracts and stuff like that. And it's all
this whole idea is that it's hard enough to get
grants as it is without taking on this toxic issue
or where Jimmy Carter tried to get an assau to
redo the blue book thing and they basically said, you
cut our budget, and we're having a hard enough time

(48:12):
financing what we've got right now, and we just want
to take this on and they didn't say, but it
was a pr nightmare. That's nobody wanted to touch the
thing because you know, and it's it's slowly changing, but
still it doesn't fit into anybody's box. Everybody's got their
little things what they're doing, and u folllogy doesn't really
fit into any academic faculty that you can actually go

(48:33):
and get materials. So it's always going to be come
from the bottom up, from us pushing the issue and
the odd person coming and sort of agreeing with us.
But the other problem we have is that we have
the UFO community is always this riding dangerfield problem that
we always figure like we're riding a danger field and
we don't get any respect, and so will we try
to latch onto PhD guys And we used to call

(48:56):
it in That's factor club, lunge pile higher and deeper.
That they were no different than anybody else. They were
just actually more specialized in their field than anybody else.
But just because you're got a a PhD in chemistry
doesn't mean you know anything about biology. I my office
was in the chemistry building, and I knew that the
chemists didn't go into the biology building. They didn't go
into the zoology building, they didn't have no contact with

(49:17):
those people. Do you have your You're living in your
own little world. And and that's the problem that you
have is that it's it's it doesn't fit into anybody's
little world. And they're all working on their thing, and
nobody wants to take on this issue that they know
can can actually cause you trouble. So it's going to
be up to us to put the material out. And
I'm in an ideal situation, you know. I I have

(49:37):
enough money. I don't anybody's money. I don't really care.
I never carried what anybody thought. And I don't read
the comments on Twitter and Facebook, and I just put
my stuff up and stuff like that, and uh and
and uh. I don't have anybody telling me what to do.
You know, I don't have a reputation or a degree
to to back up or to try to defend. And
that's the problem you get is if you've got something,

(49:58):
you've got that that you can lose because of this,
people are very very hesitant to step out and take
a position, even though like in the Soul Conference, they
admit that this is true, that there is this consciousness
element to this thing. But we'll take that down the road.
Right now, we need to get louts of PhDs speaking.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
We need to try to peace.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
And you're not going to appease these guys, see the
last guy you're going to convince because they live in
their own little world. And you know, it's a steep
hill to climb in terms of figuring out UFO stuff,
and you're not going to figure out because you've got
a PhD. You have to look at the evidence, and
there's a lot of evidence. And I say, after fifty years,
it just gets more and more and more complex.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
That's the one thing I know for sure.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
This thing is going to be a million times more
complex than people think it is.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
This is not simple extraterrestrials lost in space.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
We have about three and a half minutes to go
before we have to go to break. At the top
of the hour, Grant camera and is our guest tonight
on spaced out radio. Grant, As we move forward towards
trying to figure out what is actually here, what signs
do you see that this is a phenomena that has
been continually here and continues to kind of push itself

(51:16):
around anywhere it wants to go. Because these days, with
AI moving as fast as it is, we really can't
trust any videos anymore.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Yeah, you can't trust AI either, I mean death and
I have done a few shows on that where because
we've done a lot, and it's even the one tonight
they said, I'll give you the places to go.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I said, no, it's your job. When we don't it
can give me places to go.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
And it said, and in my experience with AI, you
give me all these footnotes for things and you go
and check them and they don't exist. And then they apologize,
they give you another page. You go check that that
doesn't exist either. I said, it's called now that you've
got a word for it, where it's hallucinating. AI hallucinates
and it lies. You just can't believe on much this
stuff lies because it's left brain. It's the same as

(51:59):
the skeptics, a left brain thing, and it's just filling
in gaps and it makes up all this this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
But uh, what what we're we're we're getting is.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
A situation where we are we are moving headway in
terms of understanding, but it's this idea that it's it's
not going to be the physical thing that people think
it is.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
That's where this this nature reality comes in.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Where you've got to go back to understanding that consciousness
is primary.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
And all of major quantum.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Physicists said this at the beginning of the century and
then someone told them to shut up and calculate ignore
that problem, and.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
That that's I think where we've got to. We've got
to solve the problem.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
And the the academics and people are are just in
a position where they they they they're they're ignorant on
the on the subject. They really don't know much more
than they've read a book or they read an article
and stuff like that. And I'm I'm trying to do
what I can and the A, I is it advantageous

(53:01):
that you can actually pull a lot of stuff that
you then you have to check, But but it's it
has the ability it's unbelievable. And this new notebook thing
is just like unbelievable. I've never seen anything that that
can do what this thing can do. And so I'm
I'm optimistic, but I think it's this idea that you've

(53:24):
got to change the world view. We're taking it backwards
we're going from UFOs, and you've got to start from
how does the world actually work? What is the basis
of the universe? What what's primary? And how did things
get created? And how do things unravel? And then it's
it makes a lot of sense. It starts to agree
with a lot of the stuff in Eastern Eastern religions
and a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
From uh uh.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Judaism from the early days, the mystical traditions and stuff
like that.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Then it starts to make sense. And I think I
am sort of have.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Enough that I'm I'm happy with where I've gotten in
terms of solving the thing. But the vast majority of
people are I don't even realize there's a game going on.
Their living lives are quite desperation, and it's a thing
of entertainment.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
It's something if you watch a show or a documentary.
It's kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
But they're not going to change their life to move
down and study UFOs or find out what the implications are.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that because John Greenwell
from The Black Vault actually made a comment on X
Today saying, you know, it's paraphrasing here. It's funny. Grant
how many people it wasn't addressed to you, just to
the public, but how many current ufologists are now taking
a look at ufology prior to twenty seventeen when the

(54:42):
whole UAP saga began, And they're acting like all of
this is brand new information that nobody has ever researched
these topics before. And I think it's absolutely quite hilarious.
But we're going to talk about that when we return.
Grant Cameron on Spaced Out Radio tonight. We have him
for another hour on the Mighty s R.

Speaker 9 (55:09):
This is faced Out right here with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
All Right, Grant, we got about six minutes. I'm gonna
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Two so I'll be right back. Okay, okay, be right back.

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Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
In educac and I'm still frozen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
No, now, you don't have any camera set. Okay, Yeah,
you still look good, You're pretty I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:00:20):
Yeah, yeah, remove from stage. What do you how do
you do this thing here? M how do you check
your camera?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
If you go down to the little cog at the bottom,
little cog? Yeah, click on that and click on camera
camera on the left hand side.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Okay, gate a camera near my camera. What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
While you're working on that, I'm gonna say hello and
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about it, Grant.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Yeah, no, it's it's not coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Oh that's all right, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
We'll play with it.

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Here we go, buddy technology, yep, I'll.

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Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Well, thanks for having me back. I think I got
my camera going here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Beautiful, I moved locations. You are a beautiful human being,
my friend, beautiful human.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Being, technical genius here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
That's how we work it in the shire around here.
Appreciate you all right. You know we talked about the
fact right before the break that disclosure is kind of
dying that John Greenwald from the Black Vault dot com,
which is a collection site of UFO and conspiracy notes
that have been released by the government, he's now saying,

(01:03:34):
you know, he's kind of shocked that this twenty seventeen
crowd the UAP crowd, as Nicole Sakitch calls him, the
twenty seventeens really seem really seemed to push the limit
on ufology because according to them, it really didn't start
until the two thousand and four Nimitz incident. But now

(01:03:55):
they're kind of taking a look at behind two thousand
and four, going back in history to the nineties, eighties
and far beyond, and thinking, well, hey, there it was
actual UFO events prior to two thousand and four. Should
we be shocked by this?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Things change pretty quickly. I described this whole idea. There's
this idea, but how we manifest the universe? And we're
manifesting it with mine and stuff like that, And I say,
anybody doesn't believe that's happening. Take a look at the
United States of America in twenty fifteen and now twenty
twenty five, and whether you're on one side or the other,
tell me it doesn't change. It's absolutely a different country altogether.

(01:04:36):
That things can move and people. That's why I say, like,
in terms of academics, they really don't read anything, even
the UFO people. Most people will have books and they'll
buy people's books, but they don't read any of them.
And you have a situation now where you have the
attention to spend is seven seconds on the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
People don't read books anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
They want audio books, they don't want to read books,
And so we're in this sort of situation where it's
very easy to change people's minds. Things can move very
very quickly in terms of TikTok and different things that
the kids are into. And that's why I've tried to
move from the old school into starting I didn't want

(01:05:17):
to do the YouTube and the stuff that's coming now
these little short my videos are now, these ones I
do AI they're six or seven minutes long, and the
audios are about fifteen minutes long. And that's this idea
that people's attention span is just dropping, dropping, dropping more
as we go along.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
So yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Surprised that the twenty seventeen kids that they don't realize
what happened before. Even UFO people don't realize what happened before.
And I've always maintained, I said, I've been in this
long enough to know that it's not the same world
that was in nineteen seventy five. You have no clue
what it was like in nineteen seventy five. And that's
the important thing, because what you realize is that the

(01:05:57):
phenomena is morphing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
It's not the same phenomena.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Eighteen ninety five, eighteen ninety six, eighteen ninety seven, there's
ten thousand UFO sightings. But they were not like orbs
like they are now. They were wooden ships with propellers
and big huge lights which were very strange because the
battery wouldn't be invented till about five years later. And
they had balloons on them and stuff like this, and
these guys hanging off off of ropes that were doing

(01:06:23):
this rhymes and riddles stuff and saying they were from Mars,
and we believed that, oh yeah, were these guys are all
coming from Mars? And then the Foo Fighters of World
War two they were there and there on the edges
of planes these lill tiny balls. Then that after World
War two it turned to the green fireballs. Then those
all disappeared. I go, well, where did the Foo Fighters go?
Where did the green fireballs go? And then the Damski
crafts moved onto the scene, and the Dampski crafts were there,

(01:06:46):
and then you had the Betty and Barney Hill with
the windows. There are no UFOs anymore so with windows
that that happened only for a period of time. You
had the Angiehall, which all the twenty seventeens would have
no clue wage stalking talking on angel air. There was
angel hair in the fifties, six sixty seventies, then it
went away. Then you had the cattle relationship started in
sixty seven and they sort of faded away. And there's
the odd one, but that's basically stopped. Then you had

(01:07:08):
the crop circles start in nineteen eighty two and that
sort of went go, and then the triangles came. When
I started in seventy five, I had a triangle setting
in seventy six that was one of the first triangle setings.
All the triangles started. Then now we've got the orbs
and people don't realize it's changing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
It's like the beings are turning the book. They're turning
the pages and they go this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
That's why I said this thing where they told me
they said, don't worry, we know how to land the plane.
It's like they've done this on a thousand different planets.
You say, where'd the green fireballs go, where do the
food fighters go? Well, they're on another planet that's one
hundred years before us. And when those they're finished on
that planet, then they're going to send in the dampsky
crafts and they're going to send in the window crafts

(01:07:47):
and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
And that's what people don't realize.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
If if you don't realize the entirety of UFO history,
you don't realize that this thing has been morphing, and that,
as Barbara Streis said, step son Chris Peters told me,
he said, they told him that when we come into
your world, we go into your head, we see what's
in your head, and it is with that that we
build a lesson.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
So if you're.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Coming at this time in space, then they're going to
appear as aliens from other planets because we're in the
space age, and before that you didn't have that kind
of stuff. Or if you take a look at the reports,
and this is where I want to talk about a
case that I just didn't interview today, But if you
look back before nineteen sixty one, there basically were no graves,

(01:08:30):
and people say, oh no, no, there was grace. I said, no, no, no,
Nancy Tremaine was the first grade July, two months before
betting Barney Hill. She and her girlfriend were the first
two to talk about the Grays. Then the Grays came
on board and I heard a story about a guy.
They said, we've got to talk to the German guy, Rolphus.
His first name is you got to talk to this
guy he saw Grays in nineteen forty two. I said, okay,

(01:08:51):
I'll take take caup on it. So I phoned him
and I interviewed him today and we went very carefully,
and I was very careful not to lead him. So
I said, okay, what happened? And he said, I was
seven years old old and this these beings were in
my room and a good sense and he said why
why why was I woken up? Like, well, why did
I wake up when these beings were in there? And
that's always this this sort of thing where you start
to understand what the beings are actually doing, is why

(01:09:11):
do the aliens actually wake you up?

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Say day day, wake up, wake up, wake up, and
they go look for me. I'm an even alien.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
And what they're trying to do is trying you get
you to associate they're scared of living dailights. You associate,
then they can take you. They grab your astro body
and they moved. So this guy said, these beings are
in the room. And he was really puzzled, like how
how they got in his room? He couldn't see them,
it was dark. And then he said he heard the
Buddhist He was on the on the border of Switzerland.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
He heard the Buddhist temple.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
They were ringing the bell six o'clock in the morning,
and that's when these beings left and they went through
the wall. And he said that. I said, were they physical? Yeah,
they were physical. They went through the through the window,
just right through the window. And he was watching them
and I said, well, you know described him. I said,
did they have any clothes on? And I asked this,
I asked, you remember a couple of years ago. I

(01:09:58):
asked this, and I say, you know, do they have
any clothes on? He goes no, and it's like, is
that not weird He's going to clothes on? And well, well,
maybe had painted clothes and you know that idea people
think maybe they painted their skin with like it looks
like closed.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
But I said, da have any sex organs?

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Nope, and then I said, you so you saw him
if you saw him going through the window, then you
saw them from the back. Yeah, And I said, well,
describe and he said they had pointed feet. The most
strange thing was they had these pointed feet. So that
doesn't sound like good grave. Then I said, well, you
you you you didn't see their faces.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
No, I didn't see their faces.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
And then I said, well, what about the heads where
they had they have big heads? No, no, theyn't have
big heads. I go, thank you, they're not grays. And
and this is the whole thing. So when he told
me this sighting, that that's all I knew that he
had this sighting. And then I found out just before
the interview that he had this photograph. And again photographs
you mentioned before you can't really go anywhere with the
photographs because you can, you know, you can make anything

(01:10:53):
up here. But it was a pretty pretty well photograph BC.
Look from East Vancouver looking out over Grouse Mountain. And
you said the Gross Mountain is the skiing one, right, Yes, yeah,
So it's against Gross Mountain and it's it's clear as day.
I mean, it looks like a pretty clear saucer type shape.

(01:11:14):
There's no, uh uh, you know, not not off in
the distance or anything like that. And so I said
to him, I said, well, you know what other weird things,
because that's you get these patterns that if somebody has
had a UFO setting like they especially if they've been
in the room, it's not the only thing that happened
in their life. We know this by looking at the patterns.
And that's when you talk to the experiences, you realize
there are these patterns. So I said, hey, so anything

(01:11:36):
else happened and he sort of smiles and he.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Goes, I've had lots of weird stuff happened. I said, well,
start telling me about now. How about Poltic guys. Oh, polticuys.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
He starts telling me all these bizarre stories how he
got this UFO photograph. Then he tells me about this one.
I haven't even looked at the email yet. He sent
me the photos, said he sent these photos of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
A of a star. The thing was shaped like a star.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
And I said, so you get photographs of it and
it's like daylight and he said, yeah, I've got photographs.
I said, really, can you u send me the photographs?
He said yeah, and he sent them. I haven't looked
at him yet.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
And then he ran into someone in the States who
claimed that he'd seen the same thing and he showed it.
I said, well, did he have a photograph?

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
And did he show you the photograph?

Speaker 10 (01:12:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
And I said, and it says it's exactly the same thing.
So you have this case where there's three taken here
in BC and then this guy in the States and
it's the same object.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
And so that's the whole thing. I went through this thing.
And by the time he's finished, you want to tell
more stories and more stories. And we've gone on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
For about an hour and a half and he's telling
me all these bizarre stories. And that's what you That's
why I say, you start to realize that this is
very complex, that everything is connected. That if you start
getting this, people are going to be psychic, they're going
to have satisfact appearances, they're going to be ghost hunting,
they're going to be down the rabbit hole on everything.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
And it's all the same thing that it drags us in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
And people want to parse it like it's this UFO
thing from two thousand from nimits On. And the more
you look at it, the more you realize, no, that's
not really what's going on. And especially if you go
back like where if you take a look at a
lot of the ones with the free survey, you can
take a look at the number of people who claimed
that the being was in their last life, and that
was like a twenty four percent or something. Chris Bles

(01:13:05):
was one of them. If the being says I was
in your last lifetime, it's a new game. This ain't aliens. This,
this ain't ets. This is something very very complex, or
where they're following you around for your whole life, and
or where I talked to Betty Andres and I say
to Betty Andres and who saw She and Bob Luca,
her husband, first saw the beings there beings. They both

(01:13:27):
saw the being in nineteen forty six. And I said, so, Betty,
you're nineteen forty six, you saw the first being, and
now you're like eighty some years old. You got grandchildren.
You went from this little tiny girl to this old grandmother.
Did the aliens get a older? And she and then
there's this long pause, and then Bob Luca said no,
But then the aliens of a long time, this justification,

(01:13:48):
Oh why the ellend never got any older. And when
you start looking at the patterns and talking to the experience,
that's when you realize all these bizarre patterns or you know,
things like the UFO experiences when they've they've had an encounter,
they come back and they burn out electrical stuff, they
blow up light bulbs and stuff like that, and so
they near not experienced people. They have the same problem.
They can't wear watches, they can't touch computers and stuff

(01:14:11):
like that. And then you start to realize, like, whoa,
what's going on here? And this gets more complex, more
complex and more the idea that all the parallel phenomena
are all the same thing, they're just coming in in
different ways. So in eighteen ninety seven, because we were
in that age of just before flight and so they
were coming in in wooden ships, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
So what happened to those guys like did they actually
come from Mars? Do you actually believe? And people believe
they're coming from another planet.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
But they started by saying we're from Mars and Venus,
and then when we suddenly realized there's no chance from
Mars and Venus, then they said, oh, from Zeta Reticuli,
And then you know, Sherry wild gets them where they
say they're from Andromeda, and then her publishers said, well,
they can't be from and drama.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
Sherry, you said.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
They're dirt grays right, said yeah, they're there's Zeta's. Well
they got to be from Zender Particuli. Then then she
asked the alien. She says, okay, so let me ask
a question.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Were you an alien or what's going on? And then
he says, no, that would not best describe who I
actually am. Am an etheric being on a mission in
the cosmos for the Creator. Or when I talked to
the beings in England, they wanted to be interviewed. So
I went through this channeler and she's talking to them
and I said, sow you aliens, and they go, would
you like us to be aliens?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
We could do that if you want.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
We could even take guitar planet. But no, we're not aliens.
We've always been here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
You're the visitor.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
So then I talked to Nancy Tremaine, the first abductee
in the modern era, and I said, Nancy, ask ask
the alien asked, mister everyone's got a name for him?
Mister ask mister h if he's if he's an alien,
and she comes back and says, he says, I'm neither
alien to this planet nor any other planet.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I've always been here. It's the same.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Idea, and that's when you start to realize that there
may only be here and now there may not be
any out there out there, which is what Jim Semivan
says when when he makes his statement, and you remember
he had the seven hour briefing, and he says, there
does not appear to be any there there. And I
say to people, Jim Semivan got the briefing, what the
heck is he talking about? What does he mean when
he says there does not appear to be any there there.

(01:16:08):
It's this idea that it gets. It gets so weird,
and then you even go back and you start looking
at the background with Tom DeLong, So he helps Tom
the Long start the thingk And what did Tom DeLong
call him?

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
They didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
They said you can't. The generals told them, do not
call them ets, call them the others. And that's the thing.
So when you get the government statements, you see them
personal words. They say we have no proof of extraterrestrial
intelligence or technology. They're exactly right, because they know that
it's probably not going to be extraterrestrial. It may be
interdimensional maybe whatever, but that's where they can use this

(01:16:38):
thing that we don't have any proof of extraterrestrials, and
I believe neither does anybody else. Nobody can prove these
things are actually extraterrestrials. And Jim Semivan of course, was
confronted with that about the bodies and the crafts, and
he says, yes, we have bodies and crafts, but that
doesn't mean you know what you're dealing with. Just because
you got bodies and crafts doesn't mean you know what
you're dealing with. And you can have all these things
about ports and manifestations where things are popping in or

(01:17:00):
less the cane where she's at a physical medium ceremony
where she's there and she sees this three four or
five times or whatever, where the hand appears in front
of her, and she's got the yellow light the red
light under the table with the glass table, and she's
looking at this, this ectoplasm coming out, and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
This hand forms and she touches the hand. She says,
this is real.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
It's a real hand, softer than a regular hand and warmer,
and it can feel the knuckles in the tendons and
the thing bangs on the table and disappears. So what
is that an extraterrestrial hand? No, stuff is coming from
a higher vibration and dropping into our vibration, and you
get the bottom line is this The world seems to
be a world where it's all vibration. There is no
out there out there, it's all one thing. It's just

(01:17:40):
it's just a bunch of waveforms going around and it
goes through our brain, and our brain creates a world
that we think is out there, but it's all happening
inside our head. And that's wh when you start. You
spent years and you sort of give up on the
UFO thing with being extraterrestrial, and you start to realize
that the experiences are being told this over and over again,

(01:18:01):
how this is working, and the fact that we are
are sort of misguided as to what we're doing. We're
just jumping on the first sort of thing. But it
works because people like to hear stories. They like to hear,
you know, stories, and they don't care if they're extra crestials.
So you can use that word and everybody goes along
with it because that's that gets some clicks, not as
much as the evil alien thing gets clicks. But that's

(01:18:23):
what's changed for me is that the twenty seventeen people
are you know, sort of out to lunch as to
what they know. But the vast majority of the UFO
community doesn't realize it either. They don't realize that, you know,
the first uh, Kenneth Arnold, which wasn't the first sighting,
but Kenneth Arnold had an owl he had he believed
that these things were alive, that he was seeing flying

(01:18:43):
stuff like that. He had all sorts of orbs in
his house after this happened, and we just sort of
ignore all that sort of stuff and we don't realize
that it's this complex phenomena that follows people around and
they become intuitive. They're able to heal fifty percent of
all people who claim they have contact but non intelligence
that either they are somebody in the family was healed
and that they can heal people.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
And it just gets weirder and weirder and weirder and weirder.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
And we have to go, I think to the basic
the fact that the world is not made out of
nuts and bolts, It's made out of consciousness. And we
are creating it with the dual split experiment that we
are manifesting it with our thoughts that somebody doesn't come
into the physical world until it's measured or observed. And
that's what we're doing. And that's why you can't drop
this on people because they just even people who are

(01:19:27):
listening here who are UFO people, their eyes were rolling
back on their heads.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
They'll just go like, I can't take this. This is
crazy stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
I mean, we got to go a long way down
the road yet before people are going to start to
understand what this is because the UFO community can't get it.
So you're absolutely not going to convince the American public
if you tell them the real story what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
It's bizarre aspect of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Grant, we got four and a half minutes before we
have to go to break at the bottom of the hour.
Grant Cameron is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Grant,
a lot of people within the political community have said, look,
when you look into this, there seems to be a
religious connotation to this, but they will not go into
detail of what that is, whether or not these aliens

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or UFOs or demonic whether they're angel ships, whether they
are time travelers, or what have you. But they say
keep saying that there is more to this than what
people actually think. What is your opinion of all of this?

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Okay, well let me do the demonic one first. I
always say, people believe that they're demonic. I don't believe
there's any good or bad. It's just if it's a
reincarnationing world. Everything's in experience. Either learned from me, you
don't learn from it. You're going everybody's gonna die, You're
gonna have that bad experience, you're gonna have.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
All this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
But the people will say, well, you're like Jim Semivan,
Well they came into my bedroom and they violiate my
rights and all this sort of stuff. And I go, like,
the minute they drop two atomic bombs and firebomb a
bunch of cities and killed nine er thousand people, firebombing
stuff like that, give me a call. I'll look at
the alien, the evil alien petition. Until then we've met
the enemy, and he is us. We are the craziest, Like, bah, why.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Would you land? Why would land? When everybody's crazy? He's
got a gun.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
It's like we're the enemy we're the ones that are
that are causing the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
So that's the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
But there is a there's a spiritual alema, and that's
when you look at forty two hundred experiencers. So there's data,
and what we do, what we do in the world
is we try to we try to kill the data.
And the idea that that there supposed to have is
you don't. You never kill the data. The data doesn't change.
If the data doesn't agree with your crazy theory, you
throw the crazy theory out. And so what we have

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a situation where if you look at forty two hundred
experiences that were done by the Free Survey, you see
twenty four percent of them claim that the being was
with them in their last lifetime. That's spiritual, that's that's
something that's that points in a very specific direction. Twenty
five percent they were talked to about reincarnation. Seventy percent
say they were spiritually enlightened by this thing that their

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life changed. You get all these sort of things about
how their life changed and how they believe that this
is their family, and that files of them had eighty
percent out of body experiences, thirty seven percent of them
had near death experiences which you say, well, it's a
random you saw UFO randomly and then you had this
near experience randomly, Like no, these are thirty seven percent

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is like the national averages five percent. So this is like,
you know whatever, seven eight times the national average. And
you start to realize that there's all these components that
make it look like it's a spiritual type experience. That
that's what it basically is going to come down to.
When you get these reincarnation things and the out of
body experience stuff and the out of body experience stuff
like that, it's not a material world. That's the bottom line,

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is that the materialistic paradigm, which is believed by the
vast majority of science, is going down. It's you've got
to move into this post materialistic world and realize that
consciousness is primary, and that the vast majority of the
modern quantum physicists who started this whole show that you
vented all the quantum physics rules, they all believe this.
That it is the Easterners had it right. It's the

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whole idea of Maya. Everything's a vibration. When when God
or the spirit or consciousness moves, there's a vibration and
the illusion starts. It's all vibration, and nothing can deny that.
In science, it's all vibration. That's all there is is
a bunch of vibrations, and our head puts this story
together that makes it look like it's solid. It's not solid.
We know that for a fact. We know it's all vibration.

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And that's what these beings, whatever whoever they are, are
telling us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
So if we put it that way, do you think
that this has become a good versus evil? We got
one minute to go.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Well, people want it that way. That's the old idea
that if you're going to do a movie in Hollywood,
you want the good versus evil. You don't want, you know,
Dave having love and he loves his kids, and he
loves his wife, and he loves everybody around, and he
loves the sascascious and he loves this. And I'm saying,
God gets his pop gun and walks out of the
movie theater.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
So it's boring.

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
I'm going next door, and they've got Star Wars going
next door. It's the up and the down and the
good guys and bad guys and every movie. That's what
Chris Blutso didn't get his movie done. Is They kept
wanting to put reptilians at the end of the movie,
and he said, no, there's going to be no evil
aliens in the movie. But they wanted that because the
movie won't sell if it's just him talking to an
angel and these messages and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Nobody's going to pay to go to see that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
People want the good and the bad and they want
the good guy and the bad guy, and the good
guy kills the bad guy and is victorious and waves
the flag and all this kind of stuff. That's what
you want because that's what sells. And it's all and
so there's only three rules in the United States, probably
Canada as well. When they're numbering the rules. Money number
two rules, money, number three rules.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
Money.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
It's about making money.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
It always is about making money. And you know what, Hey,
if they could get more defense budget on this, well,
you know what they're going to do it grant because in.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
The end, but that's where you gotta spend them the
evil alien, because if it's a good alien, they're going
to tell you leave the leave the room and don't
let the door hit you on the way out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
That's right, As we've said many times, on this show,
fear sells and that's really what it comes down to.
Grant Cameron. We have them for another half an hour
here on Space Out Radios. We talk UFOs with the
great one right after this.

Speaker 14 (01:25:07):
M h.

Speaker 9 (01:25:13):
You're listening to Space down for you with your hopes,
Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
All right, buddy, and we're clear.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Good background.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
You got a good background, man than you think. It's
actually I set up the studio that we could have
people in here now and and actually have some room
and and uh I need to uh kind of lonely
up here to be blunted.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, invite some uh people, but you're you're
not really in a place where you can get me
to come down every every night.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
No, not at all.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
But you'll be doing shows next uh next May. You'll
be doing their special guest appearances or whatever. And I
don't think anybody really has studio. Does anybody do studio anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
I don't. I mean, I remember George Nura. I think
we were one of the few people that ever did
did in studio.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
No, I don't know. I don't know how much I
care anymore because everything's just done at home now, right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
Yeah, Yeah, that's Uh, but that's that's advantageous. I mean,
it's like that there's an overflow of material you have
to sort of learn to. I mean, I'm portunately got
these problems from my memory, but I just like, uh,
I could do so much, but because it's just but overwhelming.
It's just like you don't know which what are they
doing now? And you know where'd I put that thing?
And you know how many have I not posted? Just

(01:26:53):
like it's on the believable that uh it's and yet
the stuff doesn't really move. It's because we're into the
consciousness most of the stuff in the theory reality, and
it just people just not not interested. It's just it's
not I guess I've got to find some way to
get some evil aspect to it or something right, which.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Which is in warlocks or something.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
Or my my banana it's not my banana thing, eh,
my people around your interest in that either you take
the banana, the green banana, and you hold it for
two and a half minutes and it'll mumbifi done.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
I'm doing this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
I'm doing my second one. I got one about seven
years old. It's like it's like this thing is you
don't believe this paranormal.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Explain this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
It's like even science you try to say. You know,
people say I fight with the science. I'm fighting with
science a lot now, But I say science doesn't explain anything.
You take a look, serious look. All they're doing is describing.
Nobody can explain how things work. They just describe how
the things. This happens, this happens, this happens. Well, who's
behind it?

Speaker 10 (01:27:59):
Who did that?

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
I mean, who who put the cell together? Who's rotating
the electrons around the proton? Where to learn to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
And it's like, you know this it just.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Where I've headed. But most people still want h stories
and photos like the I was shown four photos. Uh
Chinese guy I think it was at the one meeting
in Vancouver showed me these photos and I looked at it.
I went photoshop. It's like it was so good, like
four UFOs over Vancouver and one had the light off

(01:28:29):
coming off the side of it like a reflection of
the sun. It's like, wow, but what are you gonna
do with it? It's like the one that Ralph had
as well. I mean that looks like you could been
a photoshop thing is just like Claire's, well, what you
can't go anywhere with that stuff anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
It's just uh.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
But people still will fight for it, and they get
sucked into the old thing which they're waiting for disclosure tomorrow.
So they figure that this video is going to do it.
This photo of this is disclosure, and every he jumps
on it, and then someone says it's a hoax, and
then everybody goes ah, you wait for the next wanting
to get sucked in the next little rabbit hole of
somebody putting something else up.

Speaker 7 (01:29:04):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I love it. We've got about a minute twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
Now it's a different problem in terms of trying to
sort the material and trying to it helps with this.
You can sort of write out stuff that you've got
a chapter page or something you want to it doesn't
make any sense. It's interesting. But then my buddy there
told me. He says, well, now you know where it

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comes from. It's like I told you I was working
for the military, and it's like I never thought of that.
That's all this, that they would have been on these
large language models for the last twenty years, and that
they're leaking some of the technology to people, and so
you can imagine what the military has if this is
the stuff they've got where you can put three hundred

(01:29:58):
and fifty books and it will go through the books
and pull out anything you want out of seree hundred
fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
It's just like WHOA, all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
My name is Dave Scott. Thank you for coming on in,
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one of the best UFO research over the last number

(01:31:37):
of decades, based out of Vancouver, British Columbia, formerly of Winnebeg, Manitoba.
Go Jets go for him, and I'm stuck as an
oilers fan that just wins to Grant.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Welcome back, Thanks, thanks, sir. I want to make something
before I forget.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
I mean, there's a number of people that have contacted
me from Canada, from BC who listened to your show.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
So I track of two of them.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
One was from cam Loops wanted to ask some questions
and the other guy was from Layingy I believe, so
if those people want to recontact me, I do have
this problem with my memory now where I am got
very bad short term memory. And so anybody who's listening
from Vancouver, there's a couple of groups now where we
get together and you know, share stories and talk and

(01:32:25):
stuff like that. So I'm surprised, Dave, how many people
I've gotten from Canada who listen to me. On your
show and have contacted me because I guess there's really
not that many places in Canada go well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
We appreciate them tuning on in and they got to
come into our chat rooms and say hello, that's all
we ask in. Hopefully they've hit subscribe, you know what
I'm saying, because that would really suck if they didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Yeah, So there are a bunch of people out there.
But as you know the problem with Vancouver is so
so big and so spread out that unless it's in
your backyard, you're not going to go travel an hour
and trave to go to a meeting. But some of
the best cases I've got I'm just waiting for. There's
a We actually met a medium where I'm getting into

(01:33:09):
this really interesting stuff where I want to see where
the table tipping. I said, you're doing cable tipping? Yeah,
I said, oh yeah, and medium she got twelve mediums
that that the link up on zoom and they all
just go around and I can I see that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
She's yeah, you can be a sitter. You can just watch.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
I'm going like, well, it's just just fascinating because if
I go back to when I first started that, people
ask you know, like uh, I would have no clue
what I would have done if I hadn't had the
UFO sighting, because to me, it was I didn't know
what it was going to do. In university, I couldn't
figure out what a function was in calculus. The guy
wouldn't tell me. And I quit calculus. I said, this

(01:33:49):
is nonsense. What I'm going to do with this stupid
chemistry stuff and all this stuff? How do you make
money out of this stuff? And especially the calculus where
all the numbers disappeared and function this, function that, and
and so I'm grateful that I fell down this rabbit
hole because it's been a life where I wouldn't change
it for anybody's life.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
A billionaire and nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
I mean, it's just like it's been so interesting, the
people you've met, the stories, and you realize you're on
the leading edge of what in a thousand years will
be the biggest story. It'll be acknowledged as the biggest
story of all times. And you and I are actually
the old you know, like analogy, you know, where not
only do we know there's a football game going on,
we're inside the football game and we're on the field.

(01:34:30):
And most people live in Liza quite desperation. Haven't got
a clue there's even a football game going on that
this amazing story is going on. So I'm just so
grateful that I got to play this game. And I
just spent my life trying to work just to make
enough money so I could do my research. And I
wasn't really trying to take over any companies or anything
like that. I just had no ambition to do that

(01:34:51):
kind of stuff. It so it's been a wonderful life.
And I'm sure for you as well, that the people
you meet like like a vetchkin. I mean, you know,
when you meet these people in this field or in
other fields and stuff like that, you realize that most people,
you know, they live lives were they don't meet anybody famous,
they don't have any stories to tell. They just they're

(01:35:12):
just living their lives trying to survive, or they're you know,
wandering around the work world as a refugee with no
place to go or stuff like that. And I just
feel so grateful to to even like the idea that
I would be on a podcast or i'd be somebody
be interviewing me. It was like, come on, I never
even crossed my mind it was just it was just

(01:35:32):
something to dragged me in, and it was the whole
idea was was it random?

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
And I think you start I asked this guy today,
this guy that had the sighting in nineteen forty two
in Germany, and then you start telling me about all
these other things that he happened to, synchronicities and all
this kind of stuff, And I said, hey, do you
think this happened by accident? Everybody knows not no way
by accident. It was like, you know, this is all
pre arranged and uh and uh. That's what you start
to get when you start talking to enough experiences. You

(01:35:59):
realize that this is unfolding, almost like we all came
in to play a role. As Shakespeare says, all the
world is of stage. All the men and women are
but actors. They have their interests and access, and each
man plays many roles. And we are our higher self
is out there and our little puppet is down here
playing this little game. And it really doesn't matter whether

(01:36:20):
we win or lose. It's just that we came in.
And did you learn anything when you were here? And
I'm just so grateful for having been down this path
and meeting people like you and many of the experiencers
and people that I like Laurie who's on tonight. I've
known her for many years now and very grateful for
the support they've given me and stories that people have

(01:36:41):
given me, so I couldn't couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Ask for more.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Three I at lists. This is a comet slash asteroid
that is right behind the sun right now, and many
people Grant have been making comments about whether or not
this is an alien craft. I'll be low Ube has
kind of discussed it a little bit. Do you think
that there is a possibility that this is an a

(01:37:08):
some sort of alien ship or is it just something
natural that seems to be doing some weird things and
it's weird to us. We claim it's alien because we've
never seen something that far into space, you know, act
like this before.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Okay, well, I don't really follow sighting, so I really
haven't followed this because it doesn't really matter if it
turns out to be extradustrial or not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
But nobody's gonna prove it one way or the other.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
But I do have the interesting story I do have
is I interviewed Jimmy Blaschett for about the fifth or
sixth time. I'm just fascinated with his work. He does
a thing and hopefully it'll be coming up on my
YouTube channel within the next week. It'll be on my
podcast for sure. So I do Jimmy Blaschett and he
does the the atlas thing and he takes the numbers

(01:37:57):
and he you know, he does all this thing with
the one four to four and stuff like that, and
he takes the date December the nineteenth.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
There's going to be an alignment. The last time this
alignment happened was.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
Eighteen fifty something and it was the biggest solar storm
that ever happened in eighteen fifty whatever. And this the
idea was that if the storm is as big as
it was, then everything's gone, everything's going out. And then
he starts looking at the distance between that day atlas
and the Earth atlas and the moon atlas in the

(01:38:32):
sun and it all comes up to this one forty
four stuff and I.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Was going like this. He shows this, then you goes,
there's something to this. I don't know what it is,
but you gotta watch this.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
Jimmy Blaschett when he does a whole segment for me
on this thing with all this mathematical stuff, and it
was like it all came out the same he was
where he originally started with the code on the rednolds
from forest thing and the distance between all these seven
or eight locations or whatever, and all this mathematics that
comes and shows the precision mathematics that it all links

(01:39:02):
as if whoever the Aliens or whoever came down and
they built the pyramid, and there's all these hidden messages
in the pyramid. And then there's this other message that
as clear as day that you can see from his mathematics,
that all these things around the Earth show this mathematical
precision that show exactness as if that pattern was put

(01:39:25):
down ten thousand years ago and Jimmy Blasche had finally
figured it out. Just his stuff just amazes me, and
he does a thing on Atlas. I would encourage people
to listen to this interview, the last interview I do
with him, because he talks about December nineteenth. So keep
it on your calendar and let's see what happens. He's
talking about this alignment and the numbers fit. It's just
staggering when you see the numbers that he comes up

(01:39:46):
with with the location of the atlas when it is
on that day where we are, and it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
Like it's couldn't be random. There's no way this just
could be random.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
It's unbelievable. Let's get into some audience. QUI USI's here,
grant because we got a few of them and we
RUNO down down under. It wants to know, are you
following the whistleblowers.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Sort of?

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
I was interested in the the SkyWatch whistle Blowers because
they stole my idea. I wrote the book on flying
the Saucer with the Mind, and suddenly these guys come
out and said, oh, it's psionics and we're controlling crafts
and we're bringing crafts in and it's like it was
my idea, just rewording it and using the idea. So
I was interested in them, and I'm trying to figure out, like,

(01:40:34):
where did the sionics thing come from? And I'm interested
in David David Grush. My big thing that I'm interested
in them has always been the same thing. The first
book I wrote was on Whistleblowers in eighteen like Bobb Bazar,
and I believe Bobblezar was a set up. Bobblazar was
set out there to get the idea that there's UFOs

(01:40:55):
at Area fifty one, but because he was such a
crazy nutcase, nobody would ever believe him, and the government
didn't realize the fact that George Nap would suddenly pick
up the story and if it suddenly go viral because
there was no longer a crazy guy carrying the story.
So I've always had this thing. So I'm looking at
that aspect of is this the government dropping stuff? Because
I've had a lot of contacts with Ron Pandolfi, and
I know when these to the Stars Academy first came up.

(01:41:20):
That afternoon, I got a comment through Dan Smith as
to what he said. He said, I know all of them.
I know all of them. In fact, Melon has been
in it for since nineteen eighties, so he knew all
these guys were. And then he wouldn't tell me who
he wouldn't admit. He said that Jim Semivan didn't exist.
I'm going, why would he deny Jim Semivan? And it
was this idea that there's this game being played, that
the government is trying to get the story out without

(01:41:41):
spilling the milk where they're dropping this stuff, And so
I'm always interested in that, where's this story coming from?

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Who gave them permission? Because you'll hear.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Louilsando and these people will say, oh, I can't mention
that because I've got a security claims, which means somebody's
listening to their story. Somebody knows the story above them,
and if they crossed the line, they're going to get
or Lakatsky said, I'm an expert at moving highly classified
material down to lower levels. That's his idea that the
government is trying to drop this thing, trying to get

(01:42:12):
in control of the story, trying to control the story
so they're out in front of the story.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
I have that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
The other thing that I always say that you can
see now you've got this. Trump's former national security guy
is could be spending the next two hundred years in
jail for this violation of his talk on his email
classified material and they're prosecuting him. And the question to
me is always being, how do these guys get this

(01:42:39):
is the most highly classified secret in the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
How do these guys get to walk out and say.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Oh, I don't agree with the policy, I'm going to
tell people what's going on. And they're not in jail
How can these people not be in jail. They've got
to be in jail. This is insane to me that
these guys can walk out and just say I'm a whistleblower.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
It's like saying I'm a whistleblower.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
On nuclear stuff I don't agree with They're building this
new nuclear weapon and I don't agree with it. So
I'm gonna be whistleblower, and I'm gonna tell everybody what's
going to throw you in jail? Why are they not
throwing these guys in jail. That's always the other thing
that's mystified me about these these whistleblower guys that are
running around is I think a lot of it is
they're getting permission to talk about this stuff, especially Lakatski.

(01:43:18):
Lakatski said, I my job and maybe com callers as well,
is taking highly classified material and moving it down into
lower classifications. And he's the guy that said I was
in a congressional facility with a senator who we've now
confirmed is is Senator Reid, and I told them this
is a very long meeting. I'm just gonna tell you
the first part, very long meeting during that day, and

(01:43:40):
I notified them that we had a craft and we
had gotten inside it. That's about his opening as you're
going to get as to what's going on. This guy
that ran the asset program and has now come forward,
he has to have permission by somebody to say that
there's there's no insensive butts that's being leaked.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
It's pretty awesome, man, it's pretty awesome. Let's go to
five ZHO nine er here, which is why we shouldn't
let ave Lobe hypnotizing the world into thinking three Eye
ant List is an enemy or an alien craft. You know,
Avilobe does have his detractors by saying this might be
an alien craft or not three I autt.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Well, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
One of the problems again is this idea that I
talked about with PhDs that just because you're a PhD
doesn't mean you know anything about UFO. So Abby Lobe,
it really isn' annoying about UFOs. He comes in as
an astronomer. But because we played the Ruddee dangerfield thing
in the UFO field, because Abvi lobed this guy from Harvard,
everyone wants, oh man, he wants to talk about UFOs,
and it's like whatever he says, everybody just goes down

(01:44:42):
that route and then somebody people start pushing back. They
realize that that he doesn't have the information, or that
he's got these budgets. He's trying to get grants for
the for money, and he's asking for millions of dollars
and stuff like that. But that's one of the problems
that we have is that we put all our emphasis
on high level old people with PhDs instead of talking to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
The people who are the experiencers.

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
If you talk to the experiencers, you will find that
forty percent of all experiencers, sixty percent of all experiencers
have had contact with non human intelligence. Will say, at
one point during my experience, I knew the answer to
everything in the universe or everything about myself. Why would
you not talk? Who cares about Avilobe? This person that
basically the answer to everything. And that's the whole thing.

(01:45:27):
These people are being given very highly important material and
just because some guys get a PhD doesn't mean he
knows anything. That's that's the problem that we made the
mistake of allowing Avi Lobe to be the pope of
the UFO community because we were so afraid of what
people are going to think and we say, oh, Aviy
Lobe believes that, so you gotta, you know, give me

(01:45:47):
respect for what I'm doing. And no, that's got nothing
to do with it. It's that's a mistake we're making and
allowing a bunch of people to talk about UFOs and
being the leader of the parade when when they really
don't know anything about you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Let's move on, let's go to t bone here, Grant,
what is your opinion of the explanation the President of
the United States gave about the drones in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
I think he was It went down, it came up
through him, and he knows that he's running the program
that he's It's called a PEED, a Presidential Emergency Action
document was signed by Truman, the first one, not Truman, Eisenhower,
the first one signed. That the president is in control
of the cover up. There's been fourteen to fifteen presidents.

(01:46:35):
They've all done the same thing. They're in control. It's
not Congress, it's not a law. The president is running
the show. This is an executive branch. So Trump will
in will know what's going on. And what you do
then is you allow the people experts. My father was
one for the Department of Transport. So what you do
is the minister doesn't know really what the answer is

(01:46:57):
going to be, so he sent it down to someone
like my father who is in Department of Transport, and
he makes an explanation and that gets that gets released
and the President just goes along with it. So this
is the black ops people. This is them protecting the
black ops stuff. It's just an idea that like now
you can say anything you want. I mean, they're real,

(01:47:18):
they're not real, they're and you're never gonna prove it.
And they know that nobody's gonna prove them wrong. And
what happened when when they said they were just drones,
all these people were wanting the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
What happened. Everybody's rolled over and played dead. It's like
happens all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
It's like we've gone along with this that we were
always so afraid of our situation because we haven't really
studied it. So you know, now there's a new report
on the thing with Right Patish Air Force Base, how
they shut down Right Patterson Air Force Base. This new
report came out, I mean, just dramatic stuff. But again
it's one percent of the people are gonna be talking

(01:47:53):
about it. The rest of the population doesn't even know
that it happened, and it really doesn't care. They're just interested.
It's like, walker's what, You're just interested, Admit it, you're
just interested. Why should we change the rules and regulations
society your curiosity? People are just interested. I wonder what
that thing was over in New Jersey. I wonder what
was going on there. And beyond that, they say, okay,
was this and I go, oh, okay, and then just
go back to the life and live their normal life.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I still think that was human technology, and I think
we're blowing it out of proportion, claiming its aliens.

Speaker 5 (01:48:24):
Well, I mean that would make the military sound like
they're totally stupid. I mean, if you have over right
patters on our first base, why would they not shoot
them down instead of closing the base. I mean, why
would you close the base if it's if it's some
kid flying a little forty nine dollars drone. I mean,
you can shut the base down. These guys would take
this thing out. They're experts. In fact, that's George Napp
did the interview. This is going back ten years talking

(01:48:47):
to the head of the road Runners at Area fifty
one and he said, well, what are they working on now?
And he said, well, they're not working on a high
speed aircraft. He says, because we know you can go
twenty two hundred miles an hour and once you get
past that there's no metal, it will take the heat.
So no, we're not working on anything super solid. We're
working on drones. He said that ten years ago. So
they're working on drones. They've been working on counter drones
and shooting down drones. And to say that the US

(01:49:07):
military can't shoot down allows a drone of a right
batter's eirybar's base and that they would in fact just
close the base doesn't mean anything. You would have one
drone if they were shooting them down. There would be
one drone that would be recovered, and someoney would have
the drone. Nobody's come up with a drone to do this.
It's almost the same thing as the catumulation. Nobody's ever
been arrested for catumulation. Nobody's ever been arrested for a

(01:49:29):
crop circle. It's this whole sort of thing where the
phenomena I believe is doing this wild thing. They're doing
this Jesus circus where they do all this weird stuff
and they're doing it all over the place, and they're
coming in like with the Skywatcher. So they say they
came in a found formation of twenty one crafts.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
Like what you need twenty one crafts for.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
I mean, if you're a military, this is like the
insane or even UFOs, it's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
This is like a show.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
Someone's putting on a show, either trying to test their
radar on these guys or something like that. These things
don't happen by accident, twenty one crafts coming in in
a formation. And I believe the same thing where these
things are appearing all over the place and they're coming
in bigger numbers and bigger numbers. And that's what the
Canadians were told back in fifty six. There's gonna be
an overflight of Ottawa. There's gonna be five hundred bells,

(01:50:14):
which is what they call the Dampstey Crafts at the time.
And of course nothing happened. But that's the idea, is
that they just do do weirder and weirder things. It's
not one craft anymore. It's like piles of you we
hear hundreds of them with the Nimts and stuff like that.
And the idea that the Nimitts couldn't shoot these things down.
I don't believe that either. I mean, they're there, their
technology isn't that good, but they are good on drone

(01:50:34):
technology and anti drone technology. And the fact that they
didn't shoot any of these things down, and nobody pulled
one of these things and brought it to the news
broadcasters and said, look at this is exactly what it is.
Uh is a big mystery to me. How you can
fly these things around and nobody seems to be able
to shoot one down.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
It's very interesting, Tode. Let's go to another question. Let's
go to Joe. Why don't you think Chuck shoot where
and his buddies opened all this stuff up when they're
already in charge?

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
A good question. They did, They absolutely did. That's what
I said.

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
If there had been six more Democrats voted elected in
the House of Representatives, we would have disclosure today. Schumer
and the other guy that the Rounds put the bill together.
It passed, It passed the Senate Intelligence Committee eighteen to zero.
It was flying and it was this whole deal that
we were going to disclose over a six year period

(01:51:31):
that's what Chris Blutsoe told me back in twenty sixteen.
There was this six or seven year period where they
would gradually disclose and Hillary was supposed to do it,
but Hillary lost the election so they had to redo
it and all the generals got outed.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
But this is the whole idea they did.

Speaker 5 (01:51:45):
Schumer had the thing they had that they were able
to subpoenap people. They'd bring them in and force them
to testify. The president would be ahead of a nine
person committee that would decide as to what they were
going to do and how this thing would be disclosed
over seven years. They were going to do eminent domain.
They were going to take all the crafts back, everything
was there that you wanted for disclosure, and they were

(01:52:06):
gonna all the documents would have to be released, all
the documents, everything, the black ops documents, everything would not
to be released to the to this committee and they
would decide what to do. And because the Republicans had
had a couple more votes, they ran the House Armed
Services and the House Intelligence Committee, and those are the
two biggest committees, and they got Mike Johnson on board

(01:52:33):
with them, and they said it was a party vote,
which means the party vote, you're going to lose the vote.
So it was dead in the water because it would
not pass the House. And that was the whole thing.
Were we were a couple of seats away from actually
getting it. If they had had the seats, they couldn't
have stopped it. They could not have stopped it was
a bill that Schumer and all these his buddies had
that would have gone through, and there was nothing. The

(01:52:54):
only way you could stop it was to block it
in the House, and that's what happened. It was blocked
in the House, but it was it was ready to go.
It would you would have disclosure in six years from
the time that that first bill was blocked.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Do you think that we're going to see a fourth
try next year at the Schumer Rounds bill or do
you think they're just going to it's.

Speaker 5 (01:53:16):
A waste of time. It's it's a simple vote thing.
I mean, it's it's same in Canada. You vote on
party lines. Almost everything is party line now and if
you don't vote on party line, you're thrown out of
the party. So it's it's the basic thing that whatever
the guy on top decides is going to be the vote.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
You go along with it, or you're you're done.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
So, yeah, they're going to try to put it through,
and they're going to say, oh, it's better, it's got
this or that. As long as the Republicans are controlling
the committees in the House, n Rogers and the other guy, Uh,
they say they're going to block it, and whatever their
reason is for blocking it, they're still going to block it.
And it's going to be a party line vote. And
the Democrats don't have enough votes to push it through.

(01:53:55):
They don't even have enough votes in the Senate. They
passed it through the Senate because they had they control
the Senate. They don't control the Senate, they don't control
the White House, and they don't control the House. And
the disclosure thing is basically is basically a democratic position,
it's not a Republican position.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
The Rebelplican position.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
Was that we are not going to allow eminent domain,
we're not going to allow us or stuff. We're going
to block this, you're threatening national security all that kind
of stuff. And it was the two guys in the
head of Armed Services and Intelligence in the House who
started the block, and they made it a party line vote,
and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
Over all right, let's say good night to you, mister
Grant Cameron.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Thanks for having me, and hopefully people learn something.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Absolutely Grant Cameron's books we found on Amazon, Swamp Dweller
and Extra Small lea Strous coming up next on the show.

Speaker 9 (01:54:48):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
All right, there we.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Go, So when do you start promoting your conference?

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
We're gonna start here as soon as the website gets up.
I gotta get some bios in which I'll do this weekend,
and then we'll start. As soon as the website is up,
we'll start promoting it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
Okay, let me know and I will do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
All right, buddy, appreciate you. We'll talk soon. But I
said appreciate you and we'll talk soon. Okay, good night,
Grank Cameron. Everybody be right.

Speaker 8 (01:55:38):
Back US.

Speaker 11 (01:56:48):
USA, USA, all right, let's bring in mister Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Hey, somebody, let make sure you turn your microphone on.
I'm feeling away not good. I'm sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear that, and I know that feeling mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (02:00:57):
I am.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
I am battling one of my worst bouts of oppression
here probably in the last eight years. Wow. Yeah, sorry
to hear that, buddy. Yeah, it happens. Nothing you can

(02:01:23):
do about it. You just got to be a man
and just say it is what it is because nobody
gives a shit. Right, Well we all care, Well, I
mean you care, but anyways we'll talk. Yeah, here we
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Speaker 15 (02:02:43):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of them no sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp. Hi.

Speaker 14 (02:03:00):
My name is Zachary, and at the time of my story,
I was thirteen years old. For my birthday, my grandfather
and two of my uncles took me out to a
property deep in the woods around Two Harbors, Minnesota. When
we got there from our six hour drive, we noticed
that no hunting signs were right next to the entrance
and had been bent in a way that looked like

(02:03:22):
someone extremely heavy smashed the palm of their head down
on the top of the side. After we unpacked our things,
we made dinner and got our four wheelers out of
our trailer. They will come into play a little bit
later in the story. I wanted to look around the
area of the sign. Looking closer at the sign, I
could see on the back of it there were four deep,

(02:03:44):
long claw marks, like something had crushed it like a
soda can and ran a knife along the outside of it.
I looked around and I saw some massive canine footprints
around the size of a softball. I started to get
an uneasy feeling because I have heard the stories and
have been a true believer in the paranormal encrypted my

(02:04:05):
entire life. After I got back, we set up a
bonfire out of the foliage from two one hundred and
fifty foot pine trees my uncles had cut down for poles.
During the fire, I noticed that the forest went eagerly quiet,
too quiet to feel safe.

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
Now.

Speaker 14 (02:04:23):
I've grown up in the woods and have come face
to face with five hundred pound black bears and have
not been afraid. I've had my camp that our idiot
selves didn't have a fire going in, surrounded by wolves
and coyotes, and still I wasn't afraid. But I can
tell you I was very nervous about the next couple
of hours. During the fire, the group got a whiff

(02:04:46):
of this pungent odor that I can only describe as
wet dog and old pea. My uncle, who will call Mike,
literally vomited. The smell was so bad, and this had
me shaking in my boot because I've heard the stories
and I know what to be aware of with my
sense of smell. About fifteen minutes of this god awful smell,

(02:05:10):
and it finally went away, or so I had thought.
Later on that night, I decided I would go on
the paved road outside of our property with one of.

Speaker 4 (02:05:19):
Our four wheelers for a little while.

Speaker 14 (02:05:21):
I made the mistake of not bringing an extra clip
for my cold nineteen eleven, which I have on me
at all times when I am there. When I headed out,
I couldn't help but feel like I was being watched
or stalked. About two miles down the road, I stopped
to take a leak, and that's when I realized again
that the forest was once again dead silent, and the

(02:05:43):
smell was back. I reached for my gun that was
in my back waistline, but before I could even get
the gun out, this giant, menacing creature came slowly walking
out of the woods on all fours. At about this time,
I was ten feet or so from the ATV, which
I luckily left running for the short time that I began.
Now this creature walked out and I was immediately in shock.

(02:06:08):
I had no idea what I was looking at, but
every fiber in my body knew I was looking at
some sort of werewolf. Then, before I could blink I
heard this gut wrenching, popping noise as the creature stood
up on his hind legs. He had deeper amber eyes
that were filled with pure rage and hatred. Its fur

(02:06:29):
was a light black, almost gray color that shone brightly
in the light of the moon. Before this creature had
time to tear me into pieces, I got my butt
on the ATV and floorated out of there at thirty
five miles per hour, but the creature gave chase. At
that moment, when I saw that it was keeping up
with the ATV, I felt like I was going to
die at any moment.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
My anxiety was through the roof.

Speaker 14 (02:06:52):
It was then that I realized my gum was still
partially in my waistline. I poured it out, loaded one
in the chamber while still at now almost forty five
miles per hour the ATV's top speed, I took the
gun off the safety and fired around directly into its face.
It let out a deep, low, yet strangely high pitched screamer.
How I couldn't tell at the same time, but it

(02:07:16):
felt like it shook my very soul. The creature leaped
at me, but I made a sharp turn into another
lane of the road. I fired two or more rounds
into the creature's chest, knowing damn well that I hit
the thing, yet it wouldn't stop. I fired all but
my last round into his chest, neck, and stomach, which
slowed it down a good bit. I made my last

(02:07:38):
bullet count when he was about sixty yards away from me.
I stopped sharp, took aim at its eye, and fire
off my last round. Apparently I hit it dead on,
because it went barreling down into the pavement and just
lay there, motionless, without life. I slowly made my way
over on the ATV, which was now almost out of gas,

(02:07:58):
and to make sure it was dead, I took out
the machete in the back of the ATV and stabbed
it clean into the beast other eye, knowing that I
destroyed the brain and that it would never bother anyone again.
I moved the body onto the side of the road,
and that damn sob was heavy. It had to be
at least four hundred pounds. It was almost impossible to
drag into the trees. It took me nearly twenty minutes.

(02:08:21):
Then I got back to camp. I parked the ATV,
put the keys away, and went to sit by the
campfire and smoke some weed, because all I wanted to
do was get my mind off that creature that nearly
took my life. After finishing my smoke, I went into
my car, grabbed an extra clip, put it in my pocket,
and filled my regular clip with hollow points. After that,

(02:08:41):
I went to bed my tent with my gun under
my pillow. I already had my two forty three hunting
rifle in the tent with me, so I felt.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
As safe as I could be.

Speaker 14 (02:08:51):
I quickly fell asleep, and when I awoke the next morning,
I smelled bacon and coffee in the air and thought
to myself that maybe all was a dream. But I
checked my clip and sure enough, the hollow points were
loaded in there. I walked over to where I parked
the ATV the night before, and there was a deep, long,
single claw mark on the back, which I later got
my butt chewed out for from my grandfather. I didn't

(02:09:12):
tell anybody about what had happened until I smelled it
again around dust tonight. I was gonna be on my
guard because if there's more than one around there, there's
usually a whole pack. So I kept my rifle, my
colt and an extra magazine for both guns with me
all day, especially on the trails. Besides the smell, that
day was rather at a ventful. When I went to

(02:09:35):
see the body at around eight o'clock, it was gone.
No blood, no body, no fur, nothing, It was just
the area where I had dragged it along and dropped
it the night before. I wasn't taking any chances, so
I decided to stay at camp and stay awake most
of the night. The next day, I went out with
my twenty two and did some rabbit and squirrel hunting

(02:09:56):
for dinner.

Speaker 9 (02:09:56):
That night.

Speaker 14 (02:09:57):
Around noon, I heard the same hal as when I
shot the beast for the first time the night before,
and there were shivers running up and down my spine.
Now I still had my handgun, so I knew I
would be all right against one of them, but I
knew if they were multiple, I would have never stepped
foot on that land. The trees around me began to shake.

(02:10:18):
There were branches falling everywhere around me, and that's when
I saw the dog man from two nights prior. He
had a soul wrenching snarl on his face. I'm happy
I had already turned the four wheeler around because I
hit the gas and didn't let off until I was
back at camp. We left that night and to this
day I do not want to return to that property
ever again. I warned my grandfather and uncle, but they

(02:10:41):
didn't believe me, and they think I just saw a
bear or something. But for me, I know it wasn't
a bear.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Thank you, swamped Weller for another creepy story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamped Weweller, hit subscribe, ring that bell. He's
got thousands of st where he's right there for you.
And the message of that one is don't go in
the forest alone, especially if you're looking for cryptids. Usually
they call extra small bodies, big wearing counts chasing me

(02:11:14):
for through the woods on.

Speaker 6 (02:11:15):
The wildcounts, talking ghosts in the dark, UFOs in the sky,
aliens laughing while they're cruising by Yelly's trousers.

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
Out there.

Speaker 6 (02:11:27):
You had that cosmic call, He's the legend development one
fifteen eurospaced out radios.

Speaker 7 (02:11:33):
Q and A.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
I added a little UFO to.

Speaker 10 (02:11:43):
That right at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
I heard that.

Speaker 16 (02:11:45):
I heard that make it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
A little bit more magical. How you doing, buddy, oh Man?
I'm working through it. You know you're sick.

Speaker 16 (02:11:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I think you need to
put that on a level ten there.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
It was a little quiet. Well, it sounded just perfect
because nice and smooth. We gotta we're gonna relax the
audience into getting you know, use some smooth music because
your dulcet tones. Just relax and.

Speaker 16 (02:12:14):
Chill everybody, my dulcet tone.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Dulcet tones. Yeah. I want to make a comment on
something here. During the break, I said something to you,
and I know our YouTube audience heard it. I am
probably right now going through the worst depression that I
have gone through in the last eight years. And you know,

(02:12:42):
I made a comment about as a man, nobody cares.
M you know, and I realize people care. Don't get
me wrong, I know people care, but there is always
that lingering mode inside your head that says, you know,

(02:13:08):
like who do you got? Who do you got? And
I was realizing something today after you know, my daytime
job where didn't have another I think I'm on about
eleven or twelve not so good days in a row.
And you know, then you come here and you try,

(02:13:30):
and you know, with the radio show that we do
you have to be upbeat. The audience doesn't care about
how bad your day was. That's an old radio trick.
Yeah right. I just choose to talk about it. That's
what I choose to do. I choose to talk about

(02:13:50):
it because as men were not supposed to, right, Okay,
it's buckle up, bite your tongue, you know, and and
just take it. That's where you get these famous sayings.
It is what it is.

Speaker 16 (02:14:10):
And I'm fine, muscle up, buttercup.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
You got that right, Oh yeah, you got that right.
And and you know I'm not fine. Yeah, I'm not fine.
I'm not trying to depress anybody.

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:26):
This is my personal battle, you know. And it's great
to read the comments like in the chat room. You know, Dave,
we love you and everything, and trust me, I do
appreciate that. But you guys aren't here every day. Hey,
you're in the chat room. You see the facade of

(02:14:50):
what is really going on. And because I have a
secondary career, because I have things that I need to
accomplish as a man, a father, a partner, you have
to be able to to you know, lack of a

(02:15:11):
better term, man up, yeap, when in reality, all you
want to do is go stand in the shower for
about three hours and during that time, you just you
just hope and pray that all of the bad stuff

(02:15:33):
that you're going through at that point will just wash
itself away. Yeah, yeah, you know. And what triggered me
this week outside of my daytime job was I had
a long time listener. I was, you know, one of
the things I like to make fun of for our

(02:15:53):
American audience is Black Friday. And I started kind of
making fun about Black Friday. And you know, I realize
there's political tension all over the place, and frankly, I
don't care. We have it up here as well. I
don't care. But one of these people who I really

(02:16:16):
like in our chat room basically told me to hit
the road using two words, one that starts with F
and the other one that starts with oh. And that
triggered me. Oh and it sent me spirally. Because this

(02:16:38):
show is supposed to be my freedom. I created it.
I use this as my escape from reality, just like
we want this show to be the escape for everybody
who is listening. And frankly, I am upset with the

(02:17:02):
United States right now, only because since COVID and online shopping.
We don't brawl as much anymore on Black Friday, and
I miss that. And you know, some people will say,
you're being overly sensitive. You're being overly you know, dramatic, dramatic.

(02:17:25):
I'm a human being, man. I do feel the tension
of what's going on politically in the US in Canada
with my daytime job that's now once again going to
be affected by tariffs, okay, And I feel that. I
feel the pain of everybody, man, And I get it

(02:17:48):
that everybody is all on edge right now. And I
can't even use my own show as a safe play
because I get told.

Speaker 9 (02:18:04):
The fo yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
You can't win, you can't win.

Speaker 16 (02:18:14):
Well, you know, Dave, I've had something similar happen this
week with me. There was an individual that came on
has come on my show twice and I was making,
you know, some funny videos and using AI and the
individuals said to me, well, this is why I don't
watch your show. And I do that for fun, you know.

(02:18:35):
I make those little videos for great videos. You make
great AI videos. They're amazing and there was always a
humor behind them, right, Yeah, They're not meant to be,
you know, taken seriously or anything like that. So but
that individual said to me that, you know, because I

(02:18:55):
was making those videos, that's why they don't watch my show.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
And that kind of hurt me. It did.

Speaker 16 (02:19:00):
It affected me for probably three days.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
Yeah, yeah, where's your backbone? Lee? You're a man, tough
it out, rub some dirt on it, right, and then
what added you know? And I don't want to one
up year because that's horrible.

Speaker 16 (02:19:20):
Well we're not We're not doing that today.

Speaker 1 (02:19:22):
Okay. So I meet this person at my daytime job
whose daughter goes to school with my son. And you know,
you always get to know about your children from other
people when they're at school, because when you ask your children,
how is school today? Oh it was good? Well would

(02:19:43):
you do? I don't know. We played you know, we did.
And my son's in grade seven, you know, just around
in Canada. High school here starts at grade eight, and
we don't have junior high here for the most part
in British Columbia. And so the guy comes in today
and he's like, I was asking my daughter about your

(02:20:06):
boy there, and she says, he's a really nice boy.
You got a really really good boy. I said, thank you.
You know, he's good he's quiet, but he's good, and
she goes, yeah, she goes she often sees him playing
alone all the time, and I'm like, okay, and she's

(02:20:32):
like and he's like yeah. So my daughter will often
go up to him to see if he's okay and
everything like that. And so I talked to my son
about it today and I just said, you know, this
is a tough tough thing for a father to hear.
So I went up to my boy and I'm like,
are you lonely? And he goes no. I said, how

(02:20:54):
come you play alone at school? I don't know. I said, well,
are you okay? Are you getting bullied?

Speaker 10 (02:21:02):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
It's like to do my own thing. And as a father,
you don't really take that too well. So now when
you're hearing answers like that, now you start pressing a
little bit. So you're like, So you're like, well, are
you sure you're not getting bullied? Why don't the other

(02:21:27):
kids want to play with you? I said, you have
lots of friends. He goes yeah, He's like, I don't know,
like doing my own thing. And it was grating my
teeth today because I think I was searching for something

(02:21:47):
that wasn't there yeah, you know, so it was weird.
It was weird because I will tell you this, there
are a lot of young girls in his class who
thinks he's a cutie, you know, and you know, like
he plays hockey and everything like that. And it's not

(02:22:09):
like one of these situations where all of a sudden,
you know, he has a birthday party and nobody shows up.
Like last birthday party, he invited ten kids, ten kids
showed up. So I don't know really what it is.
I think he's just an introverted kid. Well, I think that.

Speaker 16 (02:22:32):
I think that's pretty common with certain individuals, especially if
certain phenomena run in families.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
Good point, Good point. So anyways, I just wanted to
get that off my chest that you know what, sometimes
life sucks, and do you think and you think the worst,

(02:23:00):
and sometimes you don't think that you have the strength
to make it another day. But you have to. You
have to, You have no choice. So I apologize for
wasting like half an hour on this.

Speaker 16 (02:23:23):
You're good for another fifteen minutes. If you're complaining about
a half an hour.

Speaker 1 (02:23:29):
Oh is that true? Our radio audience numbers probably just
went straight down. Why the hell is actually pretty good? Well,
the radio, I don't know. I'm watching. I'm watching YouTube
heres though, Yeah you know what I'm saying. But I'm
telling you, man, if you were a man like me,
and I apologize to the women, I'm not trying to

(02:23:50):
pick on you, but there's a lot of support for
women's health out there. There really is, and for us men,
we struggle because we're not supposed to talk about it.
If you guys out there, and I'm speaking to the bend,
if you're feeling like me, don't be afraid to talk
about it. Talking is healing, right, And none of you

(02:24:16):
would ever expect me, the guy who creates this show,
to be one of the loneliest people in the world.
I feel like I'm on an island on my own
and I fight it every day. Talk about it. It's okay,
it really is. Let's go to break.

Speaker 9 (02:24:44):
This is spaced out radio, and your host's.

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
All right, we're clear.

Speaker 16 (02:25:09):
I'm gonna grab some thumbs man, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:12):
Go right ahead.

Speaker 7 (02:25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
Oh, I'm definitely overworked. Wi Una, definitely overworked. I don't
really I really don't believe in counseling. I've gone to
counseling before when necessary. I don't believe in counseling. I

(02:25:43):
used to until I don't know how it is in
the US, but here they work on a sliding scale.
So what The first one of the first questions they
ask you is how much do you make? So if
you make over a certain amount, that's what they charge
you is towards your salary, rather than let's say, good

(02:26:04):
counselor is like one hundred bucks an hour. But let's
say you make let's say you make over sixty thousand
dollars a year. Well, now that rate up here goes
up to three hundred. I'm not paying three hundred dollars
an hour from somebody who doesn't give a shit about me,
who's going to act all concerned for an hour and
then turn it off and say, okay, we'll see you

(02:26:26):
next week. It's like going to the chiropractor who cracks
you twice. You wait half an hour to see them,
They see you for like four minutes, they crack you twice,
and then they're like, okay, we'll see you next week.
Well you did nothing for me, So no, I don't

(02:26:48):
believe in counseling.

Speaker 16 (02:26:53):
This is too bad that I lived eight hours away
from you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
You know what it is I'll be honest with you,
and I know you and I have talked about this,
but I'll say this in front of our audience for
the first time. And I don't really give a shit
what anybody's opinion is. I'm lonely. I am very lonely,

(02:27:18):
and I don't have a lot of friends. I have
some great friends, like Lee, You're a great friend, Merle
is a great friend. Okay, But around here, I don't
have a lot of friends. And the friends that I

(02:27:40):
have here are more like acquaintances where you know, I
thought I had a best friend and so did you.
Yeah that kind of went on. Yeah, just the weirdest
vanished vanished. I don't have a lot of friends up here,

(02:28:09):
and I literally today, I literally today thought about putting
a Facebook ad on our local town asket page asking
if there was anybody looking for a best friend. Yeah,

(02:28:34):
uh right, m hm, because I don't have one. And
you don't want your best friend to be somebody that
you work with, No, no, you got to see them
all the time. But I literally have no friends here.

(02:28:57):
I have acquaintances, right, I have people who say they're
my friends but never show up. Yeah, I'm lonely, man, Yeah,

(02:29:19):
I have my beautiful wife, I have my beautiful family
and everything like that, but sometimes you just need somebody
to be your best friend.

Speaker 16 (02:29:27):
Yeah, you need somebody to go out into the woods with. Absolutely,
yeah right, I don't have that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:38):
The worst part about it is none of us know why.

Speaker 16 (02:29:45):
Mind level too far away as well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
Yeah yeah, so oh t bo And I'm all about
the self loathing buddy, you and me both, So that's
what it comes down to.

Speaker 16 (02:30:08):
I'm lonely, yep. I think about that, and I think
that might have been a big reason why I left
my marriage.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
Here we go five seconds. All right, we're into the

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(02:31:33):
How you doing buddy here? I am rock. You like
hurricane fighting? A good fight here? Yeah, me too, my friend,
me too. Not much happening in the UFO world right now,
so we pick things back up. You know, are you
surprised we are in this elongated calm before the storm.

Speaker 16 (02:31:54):
Well, that's what it feels like. Everybody's trying to grasp
its straws right now. I mean, even even now, people
are still grasping at three I Atlas, which is on
the other side of the sun.

Speaker 1 (02:32:04):
We can't even view it, but they're speculating.

Speaker 16 (02:32:07):
There's all this speculation going on, and so it seems
like that's what you hear a lot about as you
peruse through YouTube and similar you know, similar.

Speaker 1 (02:32:20):
Channels and apps and that sort of thing. So yeah,
I mentioned this to Grant Cameron. John Greenwald from the
Black Vault pretty much said that in this lull that
we're in right now, and it's a long lull, my friend,

(02:32:41):
long lull. He's saying that many of the twenty seventeens,
the people who jumped on the UFO bandwagon when it
became fun and popular in twenty seventeen. Are now starting
to realize that, believe it or not, Lee in the
nineteen nineties and eighties and seventies, that there were UFO
happenings there. It all didn't start with just the Nimitz

(02:33:03):
incident in twenty oh four. And I had a good
laugh and an eye roll at the same time with this,
because I've always been able to divide the difference between
the UFO people and the UAP people. The UAP ors,

(02:33:24):
to me, are bandwagoners. They have most of them have
not gone on the journey to understand the rich history
that this subject has, of cover ups, of crash retrievals,
of potential alien contact, of alien abductions, and everything that

(02:33:44):
goes along the light. Are you surprised that many people
are finally starting to realize that there is something more
beyond two thousand and four? I think so.

Speaker 16 (02:33:57):
In fact, I don't remember her name, Chez Scientists was
just looking at a bunch of footage from like the
nineteen fifties and the nineteen forties and stuff like that,
before we had satellites up in space, and she caught
a lot or she found a lot of anomalous objects

(02:34:18):
in the sky even back then, and you know, a
bunch of people came forward and did peer reviews on
her work and they said, yeah, you know this, this could.

Speaker 1 (02:34:30):
Be you know, this could be real.

Speaker 16 (02:34:32):
So there are some things that are happening still out
there right now, like NASA just found you know, life
on Mars, and that's not possible life, they're saying life.
So there are things that are happening and they're big things, right,

(02:34:53):
so I think we need to grab onto those little things.
So they're going to carry us through until we have
the next hearings or until three I Atlas does come
around on the on the other side of the sun,
so we can see what it's actually done or if
it has moved into another position, which is possible from
what I hear. But well, I guess everybody's thirsty for this.

Speaker 1 (02:35:17):
They are. Everybody's hungry for it right now.

Speaker 16 (02:35:19):
It's been it's been a steady flow now for a
year plus, right and so we're ready.

Speaker 1 (02:35:30):
But where do we take the next steps, Like if
you look at euphology right now, with this lull that's
going on in news and everything, we've almost become addicted
to the storylines of what's happening politically with this topic.
We forget that there is a ton of researchers out there,

(02:35:53):
most of them amateur researchers who are working their tails off.
And you know, you look at yourself. You're out there
all trying to figure out what's going on in your
hot spots. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
in my hot spot, you know. I mean a lot
of people are like you and I. We're just out
there researching because number one, you know, some people go hunting,

(02:36:17):
some people go fishing, some people knit blankets, some people
play chess. This is our thing to do. This is
what we do, trying to make fun for ourselves, if
that makes any sense. And I guess the way I
look at it, Lee, is when we sit there and

(02:36:41):
try and press the issue of what is next, what
are we doing next? I don't know where there The
answer is because we become so reliant on the political
side of things, we've forgotten about how many people are
doing great work filming UFOs, filming people's experiences, talking about

(02:37:07):
the stories that led us to this field. You know,
the majority of us out there who and for those
who are new to this subject, and hopefully you've found
that in us where you can have some fun listening
and learning about these topics. But for the majority of
us who've been following this subject, let's say for fifteen

(02:37:31):
twenty years, we all couldn't wait until the night to
listen Art Bell, God Bless his soul Best came first
and we all learned from that show. That's how we
learned about names like Stanton Friedman and Grant Cameron and

(02:37:53):
Richard Dolan and Jim Mars and Linda moulten Howe and
Melinda Leslie and Lori and fen and many, many, many,
many others telling their stories about what's going on and
their research about what's going on. It put the fright
into us learning about this. Now, it's become so nuts

(02:38:17):
and bolts on this subject, or flesh and blood if
you look in the cryptid world. I think we're missing
what's going on right now because we've taken these incredible
subjects that we cover and we've turned them into journalistic

(02:38:38):
stories or political stories or scientific stories, where those three
groups are not giving us enough of what we need
in order to get that fix, like someone like Art
Bell did with when every night you went on the
you listen to them on the air, it was story time,

(02:38:58):
whether it was playing ev whether it was it was
talking about Mel's Hole, or you know the Sounds of
Hell from Russia where they drilled that hole deep in
and they heard the screaming and the torture going on.
Or the guy who allegedly called in when he was
you know, escaping from Area fifty one and that ended

(02:39:21):
up being a hoax. Bob Lazar stories, everything to go
along with that. John Teeter, remember the John Teeters story,
the Time Travelers story. Oh, yes, that was fantastic radio.
Yes it was. It was great, amazing.

Speaker 16 (02:39:37):
Well, I would like to think that those people, aside
from the individuals that we have bringing this stuff into
Congress and talking about it, I would still like to
believe those people are still out there, but they're being
overshadowed right now obviously by the headlines and the news.

(02:40:00):
Things that you're seeing get front page you know, all
over Twitter or x Excuse me, I mean those things
are grabbing headlines. And again it happens again and again
and again on YouTube with all of the other podcasters

(02:40:20):
that grab onto the big headlines and a lot of
that stuff is just getting overshadowed. I mean, I'm sure,
Dave that major abductions are still going on out there,
going on with people out there, and I'm sure there's
so many people that have a story to tell and
we're not able to hear that story because the headlines

(02:40:43):
are what they are.

Speaker 1 (02:40:46):
I miss the story time. We got to do a
better job of that, of bringing that in. And that's
not just our show. There are about I think at
one if you took Paranormal, Cryptid and UFO shows podcasts

(02:41:07):
in the United States, there's over twenty thousand of them.
Some have very little subscribers, some are massive. Yeah, that's
a lot of choice rather than going back to the
nineties and early two thousands when Art Bell was your

(02:41:28):
only choice or George Nori was your only choice. Yeah,
you know, yeah, So I agree with you with what
you're saying. Those stories are out there, But with the
you know, it's the same argument that we have with
if you had the smoking gun video, would you release

(02:41:51):
it today? Right? If you had the smoking gun video,
le or you're sitting on top of Mount Baker in
Washington State, or you got your view amount Baker and
all of a sudden, a triangular craft, let's say, hypothetically speaking,
comes down, lands on the ground a couple hundred yards
from you, and beings get out. Let's say you film

(02:42:12):
all that you release, it would know.

Speaker 16 (02:42:22):
And that's because of where AI is right now, and
you would have to have so much data on that.

Speaker 1 (02:42:33):
It wouldn't just be video.

Speaker 16 (02:42:34):
You would have to have let's say, after the craft
took off, you'd have to Geiger counter, you'd go to
the spot, You'd have to film yourself, you know, with
the Geiger counter doing this and the readings, and there
would have to be so much evidence on top of
just video, soil samples, and for for it to be believable. Now,

(02:43:05):
not only that, you don't want to be that guy
or that woman for that matter, right that tries to
bring something like that forward, because you'll probably get erased.

Speaker 1 (02:43:19):
Yeah, And what you mean by erased is social media
would literally tear you apart.

Speaker 16 (02:43:26):
Well, not just social media, but the government could come
after you.

Speaker 1 (02:43:31):
Maybe maybe I think that I think that's more doubtful
than the than the trolls on the internet that will
come at you if you had the smoking gun video,
they would too. Yeah, Yeah, it's a you know, I
don't think, like I've said before, I don't think I
would I would ever release the smoking gun video if

(02:43:53):
I had it. You're not going to make a million
bucks off of it. Okay, if you share it, you
are literally opening up a door to extremely high amounts

(02:44:13):
of criticism. And I'm not saying very polite criticism.

Speaker 16 (02:44:17):
Ridicule and shame, and yeah, everybody's going to know who
you are. Right, absolutely, Do you even hold a job
at that point in.

Speaker 1 (02:44:25):
Time, Well, that's if they're not doxing your job, if
they're not doxing your family, where your kids go to school?
You know, if you've been divorced before like you have,
or I have, what's your ex wife like? What's your
current wife like? Or your girlfriend? Okay, do you have
a criminal record? Where do you work? How much do

(02:44:49):
you make? They're going after everything now, all because you
film the UFO video, or all because you filmed the
Bigfoot video or whatever it may be.

Speaker 16 (02:44:59):
Right, the only way to do this is you would
have to release it anonymously through some means, and it
might take you a while to do so, because you're
gonna have to find whatever those means would.

Speaker 1 (02:45:16):
Be Yeah, you would literally have to have to create
a YouTube account that is so far gone from ties
to you and release it that way. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:45:35):
Yeah, you'd probably have to get a burner phone and
come up with some sort of a YouTube channel and
do it that way through through Google, making up an
account and all of that.

Speaker 1 (02:45:50):
Sort of thing. Absolutely, absolutely, it's not fun. It's not fun.

Speaker 3 (02:45:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:45:59):
This hasn't been a positive hour, really has. I apologize
to our listeners, man, man.

Speaker 16 (02:46:09):
But it is kind of fun because we get to
speculate on how it could be done and that might
help that person if they're listening.

Speaker 1 (02:46:17):
Right, true enough, true enough? You know what. I had
a guy a few years ago. Okay, let's go on
back about eight nine years ago, now, maybe ten, No,
not that far, about eight nine years ago. It was
a guy out of the province of Manitoba, and he
contacted me out of the blue. He's like, I don't

(02:46:38):
know what to do with these Okay. Literally, the guy
was catching photographs of fairies in his yard. Yeah, and
he was a very simple, humble man. He was catching
him on his video cameras, like his security cams. He

(02:46:59):
was catching him with his cameras. He even had a
dead body of one. Okay, so I got a hold
of the crypto guru, Ronald Murphy, because I figured if
anybody is going to know what to do, that's more
his specialty than mine. And we both told the guy
the same thing, do not release these to anybody until

(02:47:23):
we can get over there and scientifically get something going
for you, get the right people involved, because if you
go out on your own saying look what I caught,
the people are going to eat you alive. Well, this
guy didn't heed our advice, and the next thing, you know, uh,

(02:47:47):
he just vanishes, absolutely vanishes. Like these things looked real.
They didn't look photoshopped, they didn't look you know that
they were made anything like paper mache or anything like that.
These photos were absolutely stunning. And after about three four

(02:48:13):
months of him doing this, after heating our warning, boom,
he is gone. Nobody has ever heard of the guy
since because he just got trounced over the coals. Now
there's a guy. Let's say his photographs were real. Okay,
let's just say they were one hundred legit. We'll never
know because we don't have copies of them. Okay, yeah,

(02:48:39):
if they were, what are we missing out on. We're
missing out on a great piece of the phenomena. But
ego got in the way. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:48:54):
Yeah, and it's ego can definitely be the destroyer, right.

Speaker 1 (02:48:59):
Well, I mean here he gets people putting it in
his head. All these TV shows are going to come
after you that you know you're gonna make a ton
of money off of this. You're probably sitting on at
least half a million to a million dollars because everybody
always rounds up from the ten bucks that you'll probably
make off it or a hundred bucks, right, why not

(02:49:19):
round up? It's more fun. But that's the reality of
it disappeared. And that goes to say, like with what
you're saying, if you had the smoking gun video, you
wouldn't release it.

Speaker 16 (02:49:34):
Uh huh, Nope, I'd sit on it for quite a
while trying to figure out the best way to do so.

Speaker 10 (02:49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:49:44):
The good part with what I do here at Spaced
Out Radio is I know enough scientists and reputable researchers
who it could point me in the direction to do it.
But if you're a guy like Jim Bob here who
is in Manitoba filming fairies flying in his yard, he's

(02:50:06):
not going to know those people. He's going to be
taking the words of every Tom, Dick and Harry on Facebook,
which is what he did.

Speaker 16 (02:50:14):
Yeah, crushed him and probably his family. I mean that's
the collateral damage. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Did you hear because
you will be speaking at Caribou Khan twenty twenty six

(02:50:35):
September eighteen through twentieth. Did you hear that we have
confirmed Grant Cameron as our keynote speaker. You know, I
was going to say I heard him talking and I
know that you were discussing that with him, and that's
that's super cool.

Speaker 1 (02:50:52):
I love the guy.

Speaker 16 (02:50:53):
I met him through Michael years ago, and yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 (02:50:58):
He is the best. Have you met him, met him
or just talking him on the phone, talk to him
on the phone. Excited about meeting Grant.

Speaker 16 (02:51:06):
Oh yeah, abs a fricking movie.

Speaker 1 (02:51:09):
I told him, And I'll tell you the same thing.
If you come up a couple of days early, we'll
do a nice trek into flight twenty one. There you go,
you know, you and me and Merle will take Grant
out to flight twenty one and we'll give him the
show of a lifetime. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:51:26):
I was even thinking with Grant, I should look him
up and contact him and talk to him about all
the interesting things that I've encountered.

Speaker 1 (02:51:38):
You'd probably love to hang out with you, because you're
that guy. You're Lee Strauss, You're the extra small.

Speaker 3 (02:51:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:51:49):
Sorry, ladies, Lee is taken. Now, he's taken. He's off
the books, he's off the market.

Speaker 16 (02:51:56):
Happily.

Speaker 1 (02:51:57):
Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:52:00):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:52:00):
Where can people find Element one?

Speaker 16 (02:52:02):
Well right here on spaced Out Radios YouTube channel you
can find me and I'm here every Friday night of it.

Speaker 1 (02:52:12):
Eight eight pm Pacific, eleven pm Eastern. There you go
before me. It's a good warm up. Thank you to Lee,
and hello to mister Ron. Bubblefoot Fall rocking in the
background with little brother is watching. Mumblefoot is the official
music of space Out Radio, rocking us in and out
of every single show. Get your horns up or the

(02:52:34):
guitar God himself special. Thanks everybody listening in, at work,
at home, in your cars, wherever.

Speaker 7 (02:52:40):
You may be.

Speaker 1 (02:52:41):
Thank you to everyone in our chat rooms tonight, YouTube, Twitch, helgap, Facebook, spreaker,
LinkedIn the Space Travelers Club and on x and hashtag
spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 6 (02:52:55):
I YU.

Speaker 1 (02:52:59):
Remember this show is copyright bas space Out Radio. And
Bigfoot Broadcasting Limited. Thank you so much for choosing to
share your evening with us, because together, my friends watching,
we own the night. Mister Bumblefoot, we need a favor.
We need you to take us home. Yes, the WU

(02:53:29):
train has docked for the night, but soon, my friends,
we shall write again. Your seats are always available, your
tickets never expire. If you want to bring a friend,
we've got room for them too. Good Night, everybody,

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