Oct. 27/31 - Strange Days with Lon Strickler - Spaced Out Radio

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(03:04):
Then in our number three Swamp Dweller, we'll kick things
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(03:26):
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or on Amazon. The Man, the Myth, and the Legend
all rolled into one. Lawn Strickler, everybody, lawn Strickler, how
are you, my friend? I'm doing well, Dave.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's always good to have you here, you know, Lon
When I need a laugh, I know you're always there
breaking it for me. So thank you very very much,
no problem doing what you do. Do you still get
excited about Halloween?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I have never been into Halloween. Seriously, I don't know why.
It just really never floated in my boat, I guess.
So even though my birthdays around Halloween and that, you know,
it was a big thing in my town where I
lived at uh it still is and uh, I just

(04:45):
I don't know, you know, I was named after Lone
Cheney Junior and the wolf Man. My dad was a
big horror fan of movie fan, and but Halloween just
never really did it for me. But you know, and
when I say that, people say, well, by what you do,
I mean, why wouldn't Halloween interest you? Well, you know,

(05:07):
it just doesn't. So that's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I bear it. I think that's quite okay, you know.
I mean, do you buy a lot of the Halloween mythos.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
You know a lot of people take advantage of it,
the spooky season thing, and you know it honestly, it's
just it's just another holiday, I guess. I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what. I don't know what
the big war is, but you know, people do love
it so.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And you know, I'm gonna I'm actually going to agree
with you on that. I'm not a big Halloween guy.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
There are a few things that I like about Halloween. Okay,
I love watching kids in their costumes when I take
my son out. Okay, my son's twelve years old this year. Uh,
he's going to be some sort of goblin, I guess.
And and so I love going out around our area.

(06:10):
The one thing I don't know if this happens in
bigger cities, but the one thing that happens in our
town is and I think it's cool and I hope
it continues. People don't care what age you are if
you go up to their door trick or treating. I've
seen babies six months old, and I've seen adults going

(06:31):
up in costumes, going trick or treating, and people in
my town don't care. Yeah, I love it because you know,
there's always that that that one Karen or Carl out
there that will say, aren't you too old to trick
or treat? You know, bring them on, bring them on, teenagers,
adults don't care. It's let people have some innocence for once.

(06:54):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, I live
in it.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
I live in an area several towns that are together,
but we got about twenty thousand people living here. But
it's always been big here, and in fact, people probably
decorate outside more for Halloween need do for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, and you know, I love the decorations that people do,
you know, And I'm not going to tell you all
what I'm going to be dressed up as for Halloween
this year. You'll have to wait till Halloween to figure
that out. Okay, but usually I'm not a costume guy,
but this one, I just decided to go for it.

(07:35):
I really did. But nonetheless, nonetheless, I mean, I think
the one pet peeve that I have heading into Halloween
season is it makes everybody a tarot card reader, a
psychic or a paranormal investigator. You know, you get all
these people who kind of come out of the woodwork,

(07:56):
and you know they're going to tell you how it
is on the other side, and only if they knew
how dangerous it was.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Yeah, you do get a lot of that, and I
do too.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I Mean, for whatever reason, some of the weirder things
do pop up this time of year, and I don't
know why that is. I guess people just figure that
it's the season, and you know, they got more insight
than they normally do, and they just run with it.
And unfortunately, some people get in trouble, you know, honestly,

(08:27):
And I think I've told you this before when I
had been working with people for years as far as
infestations and attachments and hauntings in the whole nine yards,
I would say that over fifty percent of the people
I have dealt with who have had those problems got

(08:49):
them from not protecting themselves and going out on a
ghost hunt or something to that effect and getting in
trouble and bringing something home, letting something attack to them.
I would agree it happened. It happened all the time.
I would agree with you there. I totally would agree
with you there. Ed, what's the worst thing you've seen

(09:12):
for people just dabbling? I think the worst thing people
do is invited basically, say they'll go into a cemetery
and start evoking something and not protect themselves the way
they should challenge the energy. You know, you're never going

(09:36):
to find anything good in the cemetery. I mean, I'm
I don't you know, I don't care what anybody says,
You're just not gonna find it. It's in other places
as well, But you know, they go into a location
that's known to be haunted, that's known to attract these
alevel of energies and something attaches to them and then

(09:58):
they wonder what they did or whate what happened, or
when they got home things started acting up. Yeah, it happens,
and but I think that's the worst thing, challenging, challenging
the entity or the spirit of the energy.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
The thing is people do it so innocently. They don't
They really don't know what's going on, do they.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
No, Yeah, they see it on TV. They think it's
a big deal on TV because on TV, every every
episode has something happen, or they wouldn't be on TV.
And you know, the advertisers and the producers expect.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
That, and.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
That gives people false impressions and unfortunately they think, well,
you know, they can do it on TV. Hell, I
can do it too, So that's what they end up doing.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Do you find though, that this time of year does
bring in some people who do have an intro investigating
and learning about monsters? Encryptis sure.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah, it's part of the season, It's part of everything,
and uh, you know, people want to be involved, they
want to learn more. I think they get more interest
this time of year. They're looking for entertainment on YouTube
or on TV and these shows are available to them,
and they go for it, and they think there's an

(11:27):
opportunity where they could do the same thing, and then
they're you know, they're asking questions and such. First thing
I always tell them is, don't do it unless you're
protecting yourself or you know what you've got any idea
what you're really supposed to be doing, are not doing.
And you know that's what I tell everybody. I I

(11:48):
don't recommend it, Honestly, I wouldn't. I wouldn't even fathom
going out on a investigation unless there was one person
least that had intuitive ability or had some type of
psychic ability to where they could notice danger and warn.

(12:10):
Not having that, I think you're just really looking for
an issue.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
The scariest story someone has ever told you after dabbling
in the paradormal when they weren't repared or prepared, pardon me.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
There have been a few, I'd say, well, a couple
of them are pretty are pretty similar. But basically these
are investigators or people that thought they were investigators, would
go out into a cemetery and they pick up an attachment,
especially up in the New England area where some of

(12:49):
the older cemeteries are and I have noticed a lot
of a lot of that up in some of the
older cemeteries, where they would go in think they're going
to evoke something, and man, they get home.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
And things start happening.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I think the worst case was when an individual had
done that and they thought that they could take care
of the situation and he ended up.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Creating a.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
How would I want to say this, creating something that
did some physical harm to them, almost like oh, I
don't know. I hate to say, you know, go into
you know, being some type of assault, but sexual assault

(13:50):
and such like that, and it has happened. I've been
on several cases where maybe an incubus or suckybiss would
basically create or manifest and and just turn their life
into living hell, and it does happen.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Talk about the incubus and psychibasis, because you know, I
think outside of my ex mother in law, you know, there,
I don't know if there's any living right now.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Many times people.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
That get involved with the occult are used trying to
do something devnation of some type, to rid themselves of
an entity or an energy. They will go to the
dark side to try to do that, and when they
do they invite, They invite something that they really shouldn't.

(14:45):
And I'm not saying it's a demon or anything like that,
but it's it's a malevolent energy that takes advantage of
the situation. Happens mostly, I'll be honest, happens mostly to
women who will accidentally invoke a an incubus who literally
assaults them. I have probably done about a dozen cases

(15:09):
of that over the years. They invite them right into
their home.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
How do you know if you're dealing with a succubis
or an incubus.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, the damage that's done, the bruising, the the manifestations,
it's terrible, I mean, and and the real, the real
emotion and sorrow that it causes that you know, they're

(15:43):
they come to you at a point where they're just
throwing up their hands and don't know what to do.
Many of them are are married, and their spouses don't
understand it. Uh, their family doesn't understand it.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
And it just it just snowball and it gets worse
and worse and never gets better until someone comes in
there and tries to tamp down the bad energy. Try
to move this thing to wherever it's going to be
safe for your client, because honestly, it's just gonna move

(16:18):
on somewhere else. It's almost like a poltergeist will do
the same thing, or a shadow person that you can't
really get rid of them, but you can instruct the
victim on how to lessen the energy, how to you know,

(16:38):
keep distance from the being, and uh, it'll eventually move on,
but unfortunately it's going to go to somebody else.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You mentioned that you can't clear them. No, how come
you can't clear them because there's no place for them
to go. I mean, if you want, you know, you
talk about clearing something to another level where the angels
are a being, a helper or God comes to help
you remove, they just won't do that, and they won't

(17:14):
leave because they're an energy.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
They've got free will. They'll just move on to another
location where they're they're going to feel comfortable and bother
somebody else. That's just what they do. And we really
have never found a real solution to these type of things.

(17:36):
It's it's just something that it cannot be cleared. It
can lessen itself, it can lessen the activity, but more
times than not, it'll come back many times worse than
it was originally.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
H how do you do?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You have to invite it in much like they say that,
you know, a vampire can't come into your home unless
you and in.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, it's usually because of invite doing something, some type
of spell work or some type of invocation or something
to that. Degrease devonation will do it. Candle magic can
do it. Even Taro and Ouiji can do it. But yeah,

(18:26):
it's it's got to be invited somehow, And people that
do this just don't have any idea of what they're
doing and until it's too late.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Right right, I mean that's just creepy though, the fact
that that can even happen.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, you know it does happen.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I can see that and totally see that for you
as as you here have heard so many stories. We've
got about five minutes to go here. You know, we
hear about people jumping on the wija boards. I know
you're not a big fan of oijaboards. We hear people
jumping on wija boards this time of the year. Scariest
story that has ever come into fanoms and monsters about

(19:14):
a oijaboard.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Probably one that I experienced personally.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I was.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I was in high school and I was at a
party at a friend's house. I had a whole bunch
of people. There are people from other schools who I
didn't even know. And I was sitting on the sofa
and I was talking to somebody the coffee table in
front of me. They had a wija board set up
and they were just playing around with the Wiji board.
And as we were sitting there, I noticed the guy

(19:45):
across the way from me was staring at me, and
he had this real evil, mean look to him. And
I didn't know what I was, you know, what was
going on. And after about five minutes or so, he
got up and literally jumped over the coffee table at
me and grabbed me by the throat. After a couple

(20:10):
of my friends grabbed him and took him off of me.
You know, he calmed down. I mean, I wasn't mad
at him, but I was at the time, I was
wondering did the wigi board add him do with it?
Or anything else? Well, they stopped, they stopped playing on
the wigi board. They got up and we were going over.
A bunch of us went over to the bar. This

(20:33):
was in a basement of a clubroom.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
We went over to the bar to sit and talk
this this guy. I don't even know where he went.
I think he probably left because I don't remember seeing
him the rest of the night. But anyway, we were
standing over there by the bar and I heard a
girl scream and we looked over by the coffee table
and right by the wigi board, and to plan shit

(20:57):
for the wigi board was about was levitating in the
air about three foot and we just stood there watching
this thing for a couple seconds, and suddenly this thing
slammed down on the board and just broke into several pieces.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
That was it. Party over.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Everybody was running up the stairs to get out of
there that night, No kidding, yep.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
What closer your mind when you're witnessing something like that.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I don't know what I was thinking. I was shocked.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I was probably about seventeen at the time, was my
last year in high school, so I didn't know what
to think. I had never seen anything like that before,
and yeah, it kind of is. I don't think me
being there having to do with it or my abilities
and such, but it was something that I never forgot.

(21:55):
And actually, when I when I looked back and started
inquiring about some of the people who were there that night.
A lot of them did not have good futures. Several
of them passed away to you know, very young. Some

(22:16):
had misfortune, some ended up in prison, which in my
town was very rare. I mean, you know people, it
was a very conservative town, very street lace town. So
you know, and I know many of the kids the
people now who are grown up, and they're just like
they became the parents. So they're just as straight lace

(22:38):
as they were, even though you never thought that it
went there in high school. But some of them had
some really bad times after.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That ninety seconds ago. A lot of people will say, well,
weediboard is just a game line. You can buy it.
Parker Brothers still make some.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Well, my dad used to sell them. My dad had
a hobby shop. We had a hobby shop when I
was when I was younger, it was our business for
about seventy five years, and we used to sell kinds
of different stuff. But my dad used to sell Wigi boards.
He had he had Wigi boards there to sell. It
sold a lot of them, and we used to hear

(23:20):
a lot of stori he's coming about people who bought one.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
No kidding, Why do you think there's so many creepy
stories about it. Is it just people not playing with
them properly or what.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
I don't know what it is about it. I think
when the brand new, I think they need seasoning. I
think they do hang on to energy. That's why when
I'm around old and old handmade Ouiji boards, I can
always feel the energy coming off of them. It just
disturbs me, it really does. And the one thing that

(23:59):
I used to just to people who talk to me
about this, is to try to cleanse the energy away
from it. Try, you know, And there's several ways of
doing it. I mean almost like when you clear crystals.
I mean some people use salt, some people use moonlight, sunlight,
all kinds of different things. I have found that using

(24:25):
salt probably is the best thing to do, but uh, honestly,
I've just never I've never really actually done it, but
I've talked to other people who said that's what they've used.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Lon Strickler Fantosomonsters dot Com. When we come back, we're
gonna learn about the Nightcrawlers, what are they and why
are they so creepy? And mc hammer pants. We'll be
right back on space Out Radio. All right, we are

(25:07):
clear dirty felt that's a nice use of the color
shar truse. You know, but before I even knew the
Mandela effect was a thing, going back about twenty five
years ago, I was showing I went and bought a
bunch of fishing gear, and I was showing my mom

(25:33):
the color shar truse, and she goes, that's not chartreuse.
Chartreuse is like a flat red, flat dark red. Like, no,
it's not, it's green. She's like, no, it's red. Hold on,

(25:54):
it's a greenish yellow. Sure.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
I don't know how fish see it. They may see
it as a red. I don't know, but I mean
so many lures are used used as shark truth's color.
It seems to be very effective.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, chartruse the chartreuse red. Okay? Is is uh uh?
Let me bring it up here that this is what
my mom thought chartruse the color was to her. Hold on.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
It.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah there it is, isn't there? M hmm. Yeah, but
this is going back like twenty five years ago.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I guess you could kind of relate that to the
Mande effect.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I had never seen that before. I never heard of
that before.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, yeah, my mom swear it was red. And then
even when I showed her the package because up here,
when you fish the rivers, you fish with wool, right,
so you tie wool onto your hook and and the
coho love it. And that's not chartrus. Chartrus is red. Yeah,

(27:34):
it's almost like a piuce. Which there's a word that
isn't used enough. Jules, if you're listening, can we have
puces the password one night? Please? Can you do that
for me? It's a word I don't normally use. There
are some good words out there that just aren't used

(27:56):
enough anymore. We're still an extra innings here, God will
be the twelfth now.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Top of the twelfth. It's still an extra innings.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, the Jays are no outrunner on first top of
the twelfth. They have no remaining players on their bench
to use. They've used all their players up. Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I gotta go to sports Net. All right, live tracker.
Let's do this. Make sure this is muted. You know,
all these sports websites they have these pop up ads
and no matter what you do, they they play noise. Yeah,

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all right, we got about a minute and a bit.
He's my favorite by Baseball Voice. And here we all

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Doesn't sound the same as that, well, you know. Here
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We have five seconds, second half of the bottom of

(30:49):
the hour here on spaced Out Radio. My name is
Dave Scott, this is the Mighty SR and our guest
is Lawn Strickler from Fanomsomonsters dot com. We're gonna get
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(31:34):
dot Com, hanging on out with us as we all
prepare for Halloween and all hollows eve. This is the
night when all the creatures and critters will come on
out asking for a treetur two and Lawn is no different.
He's got his costume picked up, gonna be looking like
John Travolta from back in the days of the seventies.

(31:56):
Yes he is. He's got his sideburns ready, Lawn, welcome.
Good to be back, Dave. I know sometimes you want
to reach through the screen and just smack me.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
You know, No, it's it all right, I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
All right, let's get right to it. One of the
stories that I have seen popping up recently again is
the night Crawlers. Now, for many people trying to figure
out what the hell is a nightcrawler. Imagine let's go
back to about nineteen ninety one, ninety two, maybe ninety three,
mc hammer comes out with can't touch this. Do do

(32:35):
do doo, Do doo do doo, can't touch this, and
he's wearing them giant baggy pants. Well imagine those pants
being like five six feet tall with nothing no body
just pants. What the hell is going off with these things?

Speaker 4 (32:52):
A lot? I don't know what to think about them, uh.
I think most people think that they're some type of
terrestrial or interdimensional being.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
You know, there are a lot of theories, a lot of
folk lore theories, misidentification, hoaxes, fult form formations, there's all
kinds of theories. But honestly, it's very unique, there's no

(33:26):
doubt about that. And there have been a fair number
of sightings over the years. Of course, this started back
in I think what was in nineteen two thousand and seven.
I think with the footage up in Fresno where some

(33:46):
guy I think his I forget what his name was,
but he he saw these things in his yard. It
got picked up on a on a on a camera,
on a security camera, and then after that, in twenty eleven,
there were several suttings in Yosemite National Park. I think, yeah,

(34:11):
in certain areas use seventy. In fact, I sent you
an account that happened in Yosemite as well. So there
have been other studdings. Indiana seems to be in a
state where there had been several suttings over the years.
There was one in Billings, Montana. There was one in Poland,

(34:36):
oh god, where else.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
There'd been a few studies. But do we know what
they are. We have no idea what they are.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
When you first look at them, you think CGI. You
think something that this would be relatively easy to try
and make, you know, grab a couple of stilts and
maybe tie the do a little bit of a motor,
because that's kind of how they are running around right now.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, I mean I think there were a lot of
people that thought it was CGI. The guy's name was
Jose I remember that. And he had a security camera.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That you know.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
And the reason why he set up up was his
dogs were barking at something at night on a couple
of previous nights. And what he found in the footage,
and I sent you some pictures of it, was a pale,
ultra leggy figure crossing the yard. And I knew someone

(35:44):
who was an investigator in Fresno, and he went out
there that next day after it was posted and talked
to the guy and I think the investigators name is
Jeff Gonzalez by the way, and he talked to him
and he saw the original footage.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
I don't know where the footage was sent to.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I don't know if it was sent to move On
or whoever it was sent to, but I know it got.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
You know, went viral very quickly.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
And there were no sightings, I don't believe until they
started showing up, you know, semite, and after that, every
once in a while one will be seen. And then
we got a couple of sightings in the last ten
years or so in Indiana, and uh, yeah, So I

(36:37):
don't know. I don't know what it is. It's an enigma,
no doubt about it. But uh, I have no idea
what it is.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Here's one of the things, because the reason why I
like this creature, okay, like I could be buddies with
this creature as much as it freaks me out. And
here's the reason why I like these creatures. One that
come around and then disappear for a few years or months,
and then come around again at some other place that

(37:05):
you wouldn't expect. It that disappear again. You know a
lot of people will say, well, that's because they're easy
to hoax or whatever, but I think there's something to
that that maybe they're not from here or just you know,
it takes some time to you know, go through the
dimensional zone or something.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
M Yeah, I kind of equated a lot to the
Maltman in a way because I you know, I believe
now that the Mauthman is interdimensional or ultra terrestrial or
some type.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Of course it hasn't been seen as much as the Mathman,
but it's one of those strange entities that just seems
to I don't know, spur up or feelings from certain people.
I mean, cryptid fans worldwide are just really into this thing,
and I have found people all over the world who

(37:59):
are interested in it. But there's really no new footage
and no physical evidence. It's a mystery, and if it
is a clever hoax, then they did a good job
of it. But yeah, it's one of the things that
just is very rarely seen.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
The last sighting was when that you know of I.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Think, let me check here real quick. I think it
was twoenty and eleven. No, the one in Indiana, I
don't have a date listed in what I sent you,
but I believe I received that in twenty fifteen. Fil
it's been what ten years ago?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Right?

Speaker 4 (38:45):
There was another one. There was a recent one seen
in Yosemite in twenty twenty two, and I sent that
to you. That was kind of unusual. Then two Canadians
guys in twenty eighteen saw it down in Cuba.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah. You can't be trusted them Canadians, you know. Huh,
you can't be trusted them Canadians.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
No, I sent that to you, so yeah, I mean,
you know, when you read it and whatever. I mean,
let people think what they want. But uh, that's the
probably the three cases that I have received that I
thought were pretty substantial.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
You've heard of many creatures. I mean, we've seen a
lot of these creatures over the years, like the frogmen
of Ohio, the night crawlers, and many others where literally
they just arrive and then they disappear just as quickly
as they came. Where do you think these creatures go?

(39:52):
Because I think part of the illegitimacy of a lot
of these lawn is the fact that they're seen so infrequently,
or they are seen once, never to be seen again,
and he wondered how much did the person have to drink?
What else were they on? You know, were they having
a bad day, were they stressed out? Is there's there's

(40:15):
a lot that goes into that.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I looked at a list of cryptids with these strange
monikers' names to him, even humanoids, and I think the
list probably had like three hundred listed. I would say
half of those that probably either hoaxes or something that

(40:39):
just was imagined. But as time has gone on, eventually
when something else pops up, then you got to kind
of put it into another category that maybe that maybe
it is something as real. But yeah, there are a
lot of things out there and people have seen or

(41:00):
reported on or not seeing that are definitely not real.
I mean there's no doubt about that. But uh, you
know this thing here, this this night crawler, It's it's bizarre.
And how many slightings have we had, I don't know
how many don't get reported I'd see I'd I think

(41:21):
I'd be safe to say there are maybe two or
three dozen that had been seen, but who knows?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Are they usually only seen at night?

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
No, the one I sent you was seen during the day.
The one in Yosemite, and I think the one in Cuba.
One in Cuba's at night. Yeah, so they're mostly seeing
at night. I guess the good part about it is
you could outrun them.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, they're not quick. So going back to the Fresnel sighting,
how long do these sightings last?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
That footage, the original footage, This thing took about a
minute or two to cross the yard. It wasn't quick,
but it went. It came from one side of the
yard to the other, get picked up on the camera.
Then they never saw it again, not there anyway. And

(42:26):
the first, the first, the one that was recorded in Yosemite.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
There were two of them, right, Well, let's read it.
Let's read a story from one from Indiana. Here, Okay says,
I have quite the story for you if you're interested.
Are you familiar with the cryptid known as the Fresne
alien or the nightcrawler. I've been fascinated by these things,

(42:51):
and I found little sticks in my yard. I started
messing with a bit, planting it in the grounds. It
into something like a totem or effigy dedicated to these beings.
Since they've been seen in various cities. The first video
was taken in a parking lot in Fresno. A few

(43:11):
months passed after I planted the stick, and I kept envisioning,
with that intention, the possibility of meeting one of these
beings while walking around the city. One night, I returned
to my buddy's house, changed clothes, and went outside to
help my brother work on his car. Getting the gas
tank in was really tough, but anyway, while we were

(43:34):
standing outside smoking a cigarette, the night was utterly silent.
Suddenly I heard leaves crunching in the trees about half
a block away from my house. I looked over and
saw a black figure with white feet taking slow steps.
Then it walked behind a tree and I lost sight
of it. My instincts kicked in and I thought, what

(43:57):
the hell. I went back talking to my brother, but
then I heard the leaves crunching again. This figure, which
I would estimate to be about a foot shorter than
me and I'm six foot four, was solid black with
white feet and a little bit of blue on its head.
It also had a waving pattern on the bottom of

(44:20):
its legs. It took slow, direct steps towards me and
then stopped. I was scared, so I turned to my
brother and said dude, someone is standing over there in
those trees. He started to WinCE a little and said, yeah,
I don't see anything. At this point, I began to
feel anxious. My first instinct was to run to the

(44:42):
gate and shut it, but I kept getting this intuitive feeling,
like a punch to the back of the head, that
I should grab the staff that I made and talk
to the figure. I ignored the feeling, and I went
over to shut the gate instead. The entity then started
to walk away, as if to say, fine, you don't
want to come play, forget it. What walked away definitely

(45:06):
fit the description of the night crawler with long legs
that bent both ways. Honestly, I was so startled when
I saw it that I almost craped my pants. Clarify,
all the night crawlers I've ever seen have been white.
In fact, the three videos I've seen featured white figures,
even when there were two in the same spot, but

(45:28):
this one had different colors. My brother didn't see it,
and he didn't hear the footsteps either. Huh. Yeah, I
don't know what he saw. But here's the thing though,
that I would say about that story, and it is

(45:49):
a little choppy, because he says he's going to his
buddy's house, but then he's working at his house with
his brother, right, So I'm a little confused by that.
But if he saw what he saw, he summoned that
in he may have. He may have.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, I mean you talk about intention, people using intention
to draw things. Yeah, maybe this being could pick up
on him and showed up.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Could be, could be, I mean, but there is a
danger in that. I mean, when you're conjuring up spirits
or aliens, you have to be able to know what
you're trying to do and why you're trying to do it,
because intention is everything, absolutely, you know, my goodness, that

(46:42):
just scares the daylights out of me. But the colors
on this, in your opinion, do you think this guy's
telling the truth?

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I think he probably is, but I think he may
have misinterpreted what he was looking at. Maybe he was
looking at an entity or a spirit I don't know,
as opposed to because he really didn't define the pant
like look, you know, or what people normally see. Uh

(47:12):
And the fact that it was different colors though I
have heard people seeing black ones before, but they always
had that pants look to it.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
So yeah, you know, no, head pants, no body, just
big long pants.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I'm still trying to figure out what they are because,
I mean, they're not for people who look they don't
have arms, they don't have torsos, they don't seem to
have heads except like a ghostly head like fabric wrapped
over top. M Their balance is terrible mm hmm, Like
you're definitely not onely going to want to draft this

(47:55):
person for your basketball or football team. Like they're just awkward.
A creature like that, where do you think it comes from?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Well, the fact that it's not seen that much, it's
probably some type of has some type of supernatural ability.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
To move in and out.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I mean, of course we don't know what these beings
or what cryptids or extraterrestrials or whatever you want to
call them are, what actual abilities they do have. But apparently,
just by eliminating the possibilities, I would say there's something

(48:42):
very supernatural about it, and that they're able to move
into our earthplane from wherever they come from.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Do you think this is more an alien creature or a
dimensional creature. Well, that could be both. It could be
an alien and b dimensional. I mean, here's the state
of aliens. Don't live in another Earth plane.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
You know, there's so many they're supposed to be seven
day to eleven dimensions other than you know, our dimension,
a linear dimension. Maybe these alien beings reside on those
as well.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Who knows. Five minutes ago before we have to go
to break here at the top of the hour, Lawn
Strickler from fantoms at monsters dot com is our guest
tonight talking about the night crawlers, these scary little buggers,
I mean, they're creep factors. Is huge, So let's go

(49:42):
to another story. In late summer of twenty twenty two,
I had the opportunity to hike Half Dome in Yosemite
National Park. Near the end of my hike, I had
a rather strange encounter. I was descending the John Muir
t Trail around six pm. It was still light out.

(50:03):
When I crossed the Vernal Falls Bridge. I had a
clear view of the massive granite cliffs below Washburn Point
when I noticed an unusual object nestled in the alcove
about halfway up the one thousand foot tall cliff side.
The object was very bright white in color, whiter than

(50:24):
any of the natural occurring patterns on the rock. And
it was shaped like two large, billowy pant legs think
empty hammer pants, connected at the top by an odd
white shape where the legs met. The object didn't appear
to be made of any fabric, as it didn't move
or ripple in the high winds, which is what you

(50:46):
would expect from fabric. It also is worth noting that
this was in September, so there was no snow on
the mountains yet. It was far away, but I estimated
its height to be around seven or eight feet. I
paused my descent to stare at it for a moment.
When another hiker passed by and stopped to talk. I

(51:07):
pointed out the white object on the cliff side and
asked her if she said if she saw that thing? Immediately,
she pointed up at the object, said yeah, that thing
looks like a kid in a white bath towel. Were
you looking at that when I saw you stop? So
that you know the mountains were looking at is enormous.

(51:30):
It was big enough to fill your entire field of
view from where we were standing. Out of all of that,
she knew exactly where I was looking at it, even
before I even said anything. The strange white pants like
object on the cliff. She described it as looking like
a child wrapped in a towel, likely because of the
gap between the white pant legs made it appear as

(51:52):
if it was a white object surrounded a darker one,
the darker being the same color as the rest of
the recessed alco in the cliff. I asked her if
she had ever heard of the fres known Nightcrawler, to
which she replied that she hadn't. As I explained it
to her what they looked like, she continued to stare
at the object of the cliff side declared, that's exactly

(52:15):
what I'm looking at. As we descended farther down the trail,
I kept looking back at the object from different angles.
Each time the perspective shifted in a way that confirmed
it was something solid with no markings on the granite.
I suspect it could have been a strange foreign object
that was placed up there, or perhaps an optical illusion

(52:36):
created by a particularly stark white piece of granite. Still,
it was eerie how closely it matched the Nightcrawler footage
captured on security or trail cameras. Your thoughts a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Again, it could have been something natural, but the fact
that they both saw it, and then when he described
it as he did, she thought that it very well
could be that as well. I don't know if they
saw any movement at all in it. I don't think
they did. But why would that thing be up there.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Home portal?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Well, did it manifest there by accident or some for
some reason?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Maybe it was the fact that it was in Yosemite also,
I thought was pretty interesting because there had been several
settings in Yosemite. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, there have
been footage in Yosemite as well. That that footage where
you see the two the two nightcrawlers walking down the hillside, right,

(53:54):
that was from Yosemite.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Oh, I thought I always get that one in Fresdoe
mixed up.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Now, the one in Resnu was a single being.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
I didn't have that footage, but it was a single
being and it was kind of a bluish background to it,
like it came off of, you know, an old trail cam.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Well, yeah, we're coming close to a break here, and
when we return from the break, we're gonna get into
another story about the pale crawlers, nightcrawlers. Whatever the heck
these things are whatever you want to call them. You know,
I'm absolutely thrilled by these these mc hammer pant type creatures.
You can if you want to see the videos of them,

(54:36):
you could go on YouTube and just google Fresno Nightcrawlers
to see what we're looking at here during the break,
and you'll be like, oh my god, really these things exist.
Yeah they do, Yes, they do. This is spaced out
radio Lawn Strickler's Strange Days continues right after this. This

(55:07):
is faced out break with hopes Dave Scott five point
five heading to the bottom of the thirteenth. That's a marathon.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yeah, yeah, they're gonna feel that one.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yes, they will wasted all your pictures, all your players. Yeah,
you gotta do it all to morrow for game four.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
All the stress and everything is gonna hit them. I
don't Oh yeah, they will not be very good tomorrow.
I mean, I don't think they're playing tomore, but they're
not gonna be in very good shape.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Well let's get it over to dirty filth here for
a little bit dirty Hello, dirty.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Hello, Dave, Hello, Lone bye, Dave Bye.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Lin.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Don't worry, everybody, I've got you covered.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
So if anybody hasn't noticed. This is Lady Nightcrawler. She
makes her own clothes, shirks at the Animal Shelter in
the city, and she also DJ's at the Liquid Lounge
on on the weekends.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Absolutely adorable. Anyways, Oh hello new Space Out radio people
as well. And oh yes it is I in the house.
Hey that rhymes if I ever was ever a DJ.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
I got my DJ name of some sort, but I
love a DJ. I leave music to the professionals. Just
Druck cartoons. This cartoon in particular is about the Space
Sprogs because they're in a they're going on a brand
new mission of Sprogus. They have to go and rescue
a dark elf. That's all I can tell you, because

(57:01):
Sergeant Whiskey won't let me tell you more about the
dangerous mission that Fremblin and Gargoyle are going on the spragues. Yes,
oh it's done here. I have to add a couple
little extra detail guys in there, but I hope everyone's well.

(57:25):
You know, Paramar, it is difficult for the night Crawlers
to do things without hands. I mean, do you know
how difficult it is for night Crawler to open up
jars of pickles for a Lady Nightcrawler when only has
his pointy little feet.

Speaker 8 (57:40):
I have a cartoon of that summer.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
Actually, I've pretty much got a cartoon for just to
vote every cryptid type of thing you'd imagine.

Speaker 8 (57:47):
It's a gigantic stack of them. Oh, speaking up.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Since you've got Mond Strickler on the show today.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
This is good.

Speaker 7 (57:55):
So I put out my second book, Cryptid Cartoons, Volume
And in this book there's a picture of our guest mischief,
lawn Strickler. He has the original drawing as well. It's
in here somewhere. There's a lot of pages. Oh there,
it is, there it is. That's the level, that's the level.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
And frog Man. But here, look at this. Here we
got lawn Strickler being chased down by a moth man.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
There he is.

Speaker 8 (58:30):
He's even good his forty insured on.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Yes, if you want to buy the book, just go
to Amazon plug in Cryptid Cartoons Volume two by Klaus Maidner.

Speaker 8 (58:48):
Yes, and there's a first book as well, and I'm
working in the third one.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
But there's a lot of writing to do. I'm not
really good. I'm not the best at writing. It's just
something I'm going to get better at. So hey, long,
I was showing off the picture of you getting chased
by them off man. Eh see there ye are lone original. Yeah, yeah,

(59:25):
a loan's got the original framed.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
I just love sharing my or work with people. Excellent.
These are the Spragues. They're on a secret mission.

Speaker 7 (59:43):
They have to go rescue with dark Elf, and they're
starting at the Space Bar, which isn't going to help
them because thirty two squared, which is a he's a
TV but he thinks he's a Soviet satellite despite on
the back of him it says he was manufactured in
Chicago in nineteen sixty seven. So yeah, everybody just lets
it slide because he's got good prices for chicken at

(01:00:07):
the space Bar. But the sprogs are going there to
look for to look for a dark Health, and they're all.

Speaker 8 (01:00:11):
Equipped for everything.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
I mean, look at he's got his he's got his
pike and his chain nail and a little bit of
plate armor there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's pretty cool, Yes, dirty, it's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
Yes, I got to give the cat snacks now, it's
very important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You're gonna go feed the kiddies. Yes, could you give
them one treat extra from us here?

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
One for everybody here? Deal that's like eight hundred sacks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Oh no, I'm just one freeze kitty from all of
us at s O R. I can do that, thanks, buddy.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
Okay, have a good name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Gotta love dirty filth.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
All right, we've got thirty seconds, lon, Okay, check out
the baseball game here. No, we're still tied bottom thirteenth,
one out, Dodgers have a runner on third. Oh god,
oh god. All right. Thank you to Kittie and t

(01:01:24):
Bone for the super chat and the gifting of a membership.
Here we go. Our number two of spaced Out Radio
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his site, where he gets thousands upon thousands of stories
each and every year from people just like you and
me who've seen creatures that should not exist. Yet here

(01:02:53):
we are people having these sightings and encounters that don't
make sense. The website once again Fantoms and mind monsters
dot com. Lawn, welcome back. What was good to be
with you, Dave. For people just tuning in, we're talking
about the night crawlers. I mean, these are a weird
looking creature. Man, they look like a giant pair of

(01:03:14):
pants when no head, no body, no arms. I mean,
it's just ridiculous, Lawn, how these things even exist?

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Yeah, you know, they still had that humanoid type form
that many of us see with alien life. But still
we don't know what the hell they are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
So weird? Well, let's read another encounter here. Two Canadian
guys had this happen. It's twenty eighteen. A friend and
I traveled to Cuba on vacation. It was New Year's
Day around two am when the incident occurred. After a
night of drinking and dance saying, we decided to walk

(01:04:01):
along the beach. It was nearly pitch black outside and
we were strolling along the shore, talking and gazing at
the stars. Suddenly my friend called my name and told
me to look down the coast. What we saw was
a radiantly glowing white figure about two hundred meters away.
It had long legs and a head, and stood approximately

(01:04:22):
two and a half meters tall, so about six feet
just over six feet At the time, I didn't know
it was called the Fresno Nightcrawler, but that's what came
to mind first. My friend said that before I noticed,
the figure was standing there for a moment, it appeared
to step into the water, completely submerged, and then stepped

(01:04:43):
back onto the beach. We stared at it for a
few moments, and then it began to take slow steps
towards us. Frightened, we ran back to our hotel room
without looking back. We were both shaken and couldn't sleep
for most of the night. In the following days, we
asked other guests at the hotel and employees about what
we had seen. We even visited the nearest city and

(01:05:05):
asked several locals, but no one knew anything about it
or could even offer explanations. We returned to the beach
several nights around the same time, but we never saw
the entity again. Unfortunately, we were so frightened that neither
of us thought of taking out our phones to capture
any photos or videos. Does anybody really have a clue
of what this could have been? I've researched Cuban folklore

(01:05:28):
ENCRYPTI sightings, but have never found anything similar.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Yeah, I don't know what they saw. It could have
it could have seen almost anything. I mean, you know,
could have been you know, could have been a spirit
or something.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Here's the thing with it, though, mm hm, and I
want you to talk about this because we've talked about
this many times on this show over the years, because
everybody's like, well, if that happened to me, I would
bring out my phone, I would take pictures or I
would take video. Yeah, and these people, this person who

(01:06:14):
wrote this to you actually admitted that there was just
no way that they could have done that because they
were too scared. They were too scared to do that,
and fear makes you lose all reality of what to do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
I hear it all the time, you know. I get
so many comments about people seeing the mothman in Chicago
or the wing humanoi in Chicago and not taking a photograph,
And I try to explain to them, you know, the
shock of seeing something like that, being frightened, and then

(01:06:54):
if it's a quick sighting, taking the phone out and
focusing this thing in anytimes it's at night, and focusing
it on the creature of the being. I can understand that.
I mean I can I can understand what people don't
get photographs of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
It really does show that it's easy to be brave
when you're not in that put in that situation. Sure, so,
out of all the reports that you have taken over
the years, how many of them actually have some sort
of evidence?

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Very few, very few, I would say less than one percent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
It's got a paramouv Well, it seems like forever since
I heard anything of the Chupacabra report. Have you heard
of any semi credible reports. If so, when where a
little bit off topic, but we'll ask.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
I have had a couple, nothing major. The report.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
The last report I got came out of Puerto Rico,
which is where a lot of these Chup of Cabra
sightings come from. I don't remember the full details, but
I tell you what, if you want to hear about
some of those, I'll do it the next time I
come on. Because there's a lot of people out there

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who are really into the Cup of Cabres, so we
can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah. Those are weird, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
And it's hard to tell what they're if they're probably
not a natural creature, But some of the descriptions are
so different. I mean, I think people perceive them differently.
Maybe they're looking at the same thing, but perception wise,
I think there's you know, there, there there are some differences.

(01:09:02):
I think most people who are into the Cup of
Cobbers think they're alien beings. But uh, the fact that
people say they see them in other places other than
Puerto Rico, where most of the sightings have originated and
where most of the stories originated from, I don't know

(01:09:23):
what they're seeing. Is it some type of hybrid creature.
It could be, you know this whole thing with the
cup of cobbras and the American Midwest and South Southwest.
I think those are just those are just hybrids, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
People.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Other names for them are blue dogs and and and something.
I think those are a mix of some type of
either domesticated dog and maybe a Mexican wolf or something.
But you know, they have very bluish type skin, very
short hair. Sometimes he even look like they're bald. So
I don't know, but I don't think they're cube oft cobbers.

(01:10:10):
Let's go to another story here. I think we got
one more. I don't have anymore there. Oh okay, Yeah
that was just some notes I had.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Oh okay, So for our audience, Lone sets me up
with these stories before every show. It's awesome. It's awesome.
I love it. I had a friend of mine named Sam.
We went out yesterday and into the forest and yeah,

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it was snowing out. How nice is that snow already
It's not even December yet. But he was asking me.
He asked me a question today because we were kind
of outside looking at the mountains. And when I saw
him today and he's like another weird cryptids around our area, yes,

(01:11:02):
never mind sasquatch and UFOs. So we kind of looked
around the mountains. I'm like, Okay, that mountain over there
is where the dog men are. We have little people,
we have you know, what I call forest dwellers. We
have many other creatures around here. You know. First Nations

(01:11:26):
people claim they have seen what they call the the
green men. Have you ever heard of them? M hm,
let's explain what the green men are.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I have heard of the green men. I don't know
exactly what they're they're interpreted as. Are they spiritual? Are
the actual humanoids? I mean, maybe I don't know which
tribes they are, but I have heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
It from what I have heard from certain First Nations
people who've had encounters or heard the legends is that
you're not supposed to go out at night around the
forest because the greed men will grab you. Now I've
heard them described as almost like alien grays, but with

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green skin. I've heard them as reptilians. Okay, what's your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I don't know, maybe it could be something natural or
something extraterrestrial. I mean, I have to look into that.
I'm kind of interested in myself what they're actually if
it's something that's actually tied into the religion or war,
or is it just you know, some type of legend just.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Kind of looking at this up. I mean these creatures
though they do range in height from about four feet
up to six seven feet tall.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Yeah, there's there are a lot of different beings in
a lot of the First Nations, war and religion. You
have jibwe uh uh, they have I forget what the name.
It's a long name, but it's it's almost like these
little men that are seen in the fern forest as well.

(01:13:29):
And of course I think there are other tribes and
other nations where they they have these type of beings,
maybe almost like an.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
What do you look at when you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Look at creatures like this, because this is one of
another one of those one off beings like the nightcross.
You you never hear of them getting close to people.
You have people witnessing them, but you never get close
to them. Actually, people have like close encounters, say within
forty fifty feet, like a bigfoot or a dog man. Right,

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are we seeing at a distance?

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
I mean, I mean, is it like a fay type
of creature? I mean, you know, I don't know, you know,
we we hear of all kinds of crazy descriptions of
fade like beings or are fairies maybe, or goblins or

(01:14:37):
whatever you want to call them. I mean, there's so
many and so many cultures. It's it's it's kind of
hard to distinguish them from from other things in other areas.
But I don't know, I don't know what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Let's go to a question from Jay here for a second.
Have you ever come a US any modern day recent
reports of the blem eyes. They are like nightcrawlers, but
with arms too. It's like they have shoulders but no head.
The head seems to be and the face seem to
be built into the torso.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
I don't think I've ever remember encountering anyone hearing something
like that or by that name.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
They are a mythical creature from it looks like Greek
type of Okay, yeah, Greek culture.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Well that would be understandable because they've got so many
of them in the Greek culture.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
I mean, you know, now, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Like that, Now, all of a sudden, you're gonna be
flooded with reports of blem eyes. Yeah, it'll happen, it
really will. How does it does that happen a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
It does happen. It does happen. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
I have an example of that. I had a couple
of years ago. I had a report of a leshi,
which is a forest spirit, came out of Russia. Actually,

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and uh, I didn't know a whole lot about it.
I had heard of them, but I never knew much
about them. They're supposed to be protectors of the forest
and the animals, and they retaliate against people who hurt
animals and the wildlife in the fauna. But then I

(01:16:42):
started getting a bunch of sighting reports, most of you
over in Europe. I don't think I got any over
here in North North America, but they were mostly there
were in Europe and Asia. But yeah, it does happen.
I mean, just like reptilonry reports, I'll get I'll get
one or not have any for a while, then all

(01:17:03):
of a sudden I get a whole ton of them.
So yeah, I think it does. I think it does happen.
I mean, is this something that's subconscious and kind of
goes out into the ether and and uh draws the
stories to you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I don't know. Let's go to another question. This one
coming from the Doug Shelby Lon. As far as you
can tell, does mothman have bat like wings or have
feathers like a bird.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
There there have been very various descriptions of these these
winged humanoids. Of course, the the mothman a point pleasant
had like the moth wings, the butterfly wings, and uh,
it was a humanoid. Some of the of them had
arms attached or catched from the wings both cases, but

(01:18:02):
the wing structure was very different. It was more like
the uh, the gossamer wing or a thicker wing, but
it had the shape of a butterfly or a moth.
The encounter I had in nineteen eighty eight in the
suttings for the most part in Chicago or gargle or

(01:18:24):
bat like wings. But there also had been others that
people would call a an al man with al like
wings with feathers. Right, So there had been various various suttings.
And of course when I when I started looking into

(01:18:44):
the Chicago stuttings, I never even imagined or even thought
it would be anything close to what a moth man
would be. But you know, of course, when you're you're
looking into things like this, UH, and you start talking
to the press of the media, and they're trying to
get attention, and they started equating it to them off

(01:19:05):
man and I went ahead and went along with it. Actually,
because I didn't want to confuse people. I was calling
it the Chicago phantom right, because the sightings were very
similar to what I had at Camp Contawaga here in Pennsylvania,
and I was calling it the car Conawago phantom, So
I used the phantom work. Well, that went by the

(01:19:27):
wayside because we didn't want to confuse people who were
trying to send in reports.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Hmm, let's go to shell here, wen. Why did bigfoots
crawl on their hands and feet like a spider? And
is that similar to the way night crawlers creep? Are
they bigfoots or could they be something else? What is that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
We have had sightings where they do go down on
all fours and literally crawl like a spider. I have
received those type of settings.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Why they do it? Are they just trying to keep
out a sight? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Are they related to anything else? Well, the night crawlers
don't creep, but the pale crawlers they do creep. The humanoids.
Are they related to the bigfoot. Maybe who knows, Maybe
there's a relationship somewhere down the line. But I have

(01:20:29):
heard both, I really have. I mean, I had a
couple tell me years ago about a a bigfoot crossing
a road and I don't even forget where it was
that but it's literally on its hands and knees crawling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
We have three minutes ago before we have to go
to break. This show is flying on by Lawn Strickler
is our guests tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Lon. I
want to ask you a personal question here before we
get to more audience questions. As you know, I've been
talking to you privately about the situation with Flight twenty
one because with Tim having to step back due to

(01:21:10):
health reasons, Tim James I got nobody to really go with,
and I'm getting to that time of year where it's
getting a little bit you know, cold, and the snow
could fly in that area at any time and start
to accumulate, which would make it impossible for us to
get there until probably April or May of next year.

(01:21:32):
My question for you going into this is the momentum
that Tim and I had going into there, and the
relationships that we were starting to build how is that
going to change now that him and I haven't been
there in a few weeks. I've been there like once,

(01:21:54):
I've been there twice since then one to pick up
the trail cameras and I was there about a week
in a bit again with a buddy of mine. Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Right, Well, let me ask you this. Did you notice
anything why you were out there recently? I mean, did
you notice any type of feel, any energy, or any
changes or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I know, you in Mortal Kombat in our chat room
or Mortal Clown parked me in our chat room have
been kind of visiting this together. And I will tell
you guys this, I guess I'll tell the public this.
It didn't feel the same, okay, It felt like they

(01:22:38):
were there, Okay, because the phenomenon knows Mark. Mark has
been there when strange things have happened many a times.
But there was a hesitancy found in the forest like
uh oh, here we go again, and now we have

(01:22:58):
to break in somebody new mm hm.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
The only thing I can say is, you know, there
was some consistency. I even picked up on that. And
the fact that it has been changed again. Uh, I
don't know until I actually do an r V and
and you know, do what I do. Uh, intuitively, I

(01:23:31):
can't give an answer, but I will do that, And
if I do pick up on anything, I will let
you know. It doesn't surprise me that it felt like that.
You know, change always breeds some type of opposite reaction,
you know, right, And I think that may very well

(01:23:51):
be what happened here. But what I will do is
I will do some sessions and see what I pick up. Yes,
and I will keep you informed. But because of the weather,
and I can understand that I would, I don't know
if I want to be going up there in the

(01:24:12):
bad weather. It was eventually gonna have to break some
time anyway, So this is just an opportunity for it
to happen. Who knows how it's gonna how it's gonna
continue on, But we'll see. I mean, I'll be as
diligent as I can and see what I pick up on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Well, we're gonna have to play it out because realistically,
we don't have a choice right now. Yeah, you don't
have a choice, you know. I'm just trying to figure
out what we could do in order to to try
and maintain momentum because you know, you just can't choose
anybody to go with you into a place like that.
The phenomenon literally needs to say to clear the person

(01:24:53):
to say, Okay, we'll allow this person to come up
with you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
And that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Clarphantoms of Monsters dot Com continues after this. You're listening
to Space Radio. What's your host, Dave Scott? All right,

(01:25:25):
you know what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
Uh, the the woman's named the First Nations. Woman's her
name Dottie again. Huh lolly yeah, lollie. Okay, I'm sorry.
You may want to try to get her up there
at least one day and see if she can pick
up on anything and possibly cleanse, do some cleansing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
I'm gonna talk to her again here soon.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
I think that would. I think that would kind of.
I think there needs to be a cleansing, trying to
get everything on an even keel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Yeah, well, I'm gonna go. I have to go back
this weekend because I do have my trail cameras up there, okay,
and I've actually got them. I've got one year leading
intowards the trail that goes to the gifting site, so
we can see who comes up there. Okay, and I've
also got one about fifteen feet away from the gifting site.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Okay, okay, So one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Of the things we did, on the words of Robin
Haynes was that we was that we told the creatures
up there that this was for the animals to see
who was walking by, trying to not trick them. But yeah,

(01:26:55):
you know, is it your birthday? Yes, it is when
today today? Well, hold on a second here before we
go any further. I was dreadingess, but go ahead. I
know what you're gonna do. Oh yeah, you know exactly
what I'm gonna do. Hold on, let me puck her
up the lips here a second, because I'm gonna give
you a big kiss your bigness. Ah yeah, thanks, thanks Brett,

(01:27:31):
Love you, immortal clown, love you. Happy birthday too long,
Happy birthday too long. Happy birthday, you cryptid motherfucker. Happy
birthday too long.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Well, I can't attest that I'm starting to feel the
age now, so that from this past year I'm kind
of feeling it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Oh god, yeah, what are you now? Forty five, forty six,
sixty seven? Oh wow, yeah, with no sign of retirement left.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
There's no retiring with the what I do I hear you?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Yeah, all right, the count is three balls, two strikes.
Here in the bottom of the fourteenth inning, see Hernandez
four for seven at the dish with one RBI as
he gets on driving a single into left field. You

(01:28:55):
kind of do sound like Vince Kelly. I just knew
the baseball players better. They don't have the full name,
so you just have the last names on here. And
here's the crack of the ball there it is tail
scar Hernandez singles into center field, advancing Max Moncy to

(01:29:16):
second Mace two on one out, and we have Enrique
Hernandez coming up to the dish right after this. He's
two for five with three strikeouts. Oh he's had a
little bit of a tough time at the plate today
with the Jays pitchers and the stress of this game
going on right now. Oh yeah, I could call baseball.

(01:29:40):
I could totally call baseball my pace, he said, smooth.

(01:30:02):
We had thirty seconds. I guess I should probably catch
up in the chat room there. Make sure you put
your questions in capital letters. Peeps. Thank you very much.

(01:30:24):
That was a good birthday song. Gonna lie felt good.
I feel good about that. Here we go we'ren't the

(01:30:49):
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(01:31:10):
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we get more into the monsters of the night. Lawn
welcome back. Always good to be here, Dave. I think

(01:31:54):
soon as you start your sixty seventh rotation around the
Sun or sixty eighth or is it fifty eighth or
forty eighth or thirty eighth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
I don't know, say I guess sixty eight maybe or
sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Yeah, something like that. For all our listeners, it's Lan's birthday.
He doesn't want me mentioning that, but this is my show.
I can say what I want. Happy birthday from all
of us. Laan. We love you, man, I appreciate it.
All right. Let's move on here to some audience question.
Let's go to Derek here. Lan, do different cryptids tend

(01:32:32):
to form patterns when they appear the most with certain
times of the year, like fall, winter, spring, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
You know, for the most part, I used to think so,
but you know, as time has gone on, I really
don't think it makes much of a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
I really don't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
It's safe instance, Bigfoot or Sasquatch. I mean, I think
there are really indigenous beings in certain areas of North
America and the world. But and I think whether plays
a part in what they do or how they react
or how they're seen or whatever they do during the
cold period as opposed to warm periods. But the beings

(01:33:23):
I believe are interdimensional for the most part. I believe
most cryptids are interdimensional. I don't think it really makes
much difference. You know, when when we were looking into
the Chicago Mofman thing that first year, all the sightings
were in warm weather and starting to come fall, and

(01:33:46):
we had a suding in October and then they stopped
for about two months. So first thing we thought, as well,
it's Chicago, it's the Chicago Land area, it's cold, it's snow,
it's probably something they don't want to be a part of.
Then all of a sudden, we start getting settings in
the snow, and we're getting tracks, and we're getting all

(01:34:07):
kinds of different things. People are seeing them as they're driving.
So yeah, I don't really think overall there's much difference.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
What about patterns of these creatures following the migratory patterns
of animals.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
I think some of them may.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
That, you know, people and me living here where I do,
I'm close to the Appalachian Trail, so we're pretty I'm
close to you know, people are talking to people who
are going up and down the Appalachian Trail, especially in Virginia,
in uh Maryland and Pennsylvania, and people have noticed some

(01:34:54):
that have seen these beings.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Do you believe some of them?

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Do believe believe that they do move between ranges in
the Appalachians, particularly Pennsylvania and down to Virginia maybe into
North Carolina where they tend to be seen more in
the southern areas the southern Appalachians during the wintertime, But

(01:35:21):
we honestly don't have that much proof other than anecdotal.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
So do they follow game?

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
I think if they are migrating, it maybe because of
that that they're following game, But I don't know that
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
I always wonder about you know, this is where the
debate comes between flesh and blood or something etherical or
mysterious about these creatures, and because so many people believe
that they that they maybe one or the other or
a combination of both, where they're still feeding off of
deer and rabbits and other types of prey that are

(01:36:04):
out there. I mean, do you think then that many
of these creatures would follow the weather patterns, because that's
like giving an example, many animals like elk and caribou
and moose, they go to higher elevations come the summertime
to try and stay cooler and in Winter's vice versa.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah, oh, that's true. And you know, if there is
a reason, a particular reason why they're showing up. Let's
say they are interdimensional and they are showing up. I
think a big reason is because of food. I think,

(01:36:48):
do they I mean, do they jump from one part
of the country to another part of the country or
the world because of feeding? Yeah, I think I could.
It's very possible. I think that's very possible.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Makes it an interesting story, that's for sure. All right,
let's go to Stephen here Lon. Is there anywhere you
can't or will not remote view.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
I have run into problems when I'm or being alien
beings or something to believe to be alien beings or
that use some type of possible portal travel or moves
off the earth plane. That has happened. I've been pulled
out of RVs where that has happened. But I think

(01:37:50):
these type of beings, I you know, possibly interdimensional or
possibly extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrials. I think a lot of times they
can block. I think they can when you get to
the later stages of the later uh levels of rving,
particularly coordinate remote viewing. I think they pick up on it,

(01:38:15):
I really do, because we have had instances where we
got to a certain phase and we got nothing, and
that's with multiple viewers. So I think we can be
blocked now. As far as not wanting to go there, no,

(01:38:36):
I'd try anything, you know, if I think it's safe enough,
I'd do it. Look, I have had psychic attacks during RVs,
and you know, I've made amateur mistakes as far as
not protecting myself during an RV. I do it now though, uh,
and I have been injured. But as far as going

(01:38:58):
to somewhere where I I be fearful of doing it
in a particular situation, I guess it depends on the situation.
If we're talking about an instant or instances where there
may be some danger involved, sure i'm gonna I'm gonna
be hesitant, but it's I'm gonna change what I do, uh,

(01:39:20):
you know, to a degree to fit the situation. I'm
gonna try and make it as safe as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
What about places like Area fifty one or Wright Patterson
Air Force Base, Well, I've never done that. I did.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I did try an RV at Roswell many years ago,
and I even talked to George Knapp about that I
was blocked. Now, I don't know if I was blocked
by possible alien beings or a blocked of a government
or a but I tried it twice and I was

(01:40:02):
blocked when I got to the fifth phase. So I
I think I think there are instances where when you
do an r V, it can be picked up on.
Uh you know, supposedly it can't. You can't be picked
it can't be picked up on. I've talked to people

(01:40:22):
who knew a little bit about the CIA involvement into
remove viewing and uh alter, uh, you know, they don't
believe that you can be But I I know for
a fact that that you can be blocked right now.

(01:40:45):
What what causes that, I don't know. But you know,
when you're in the middle of something and all of
a sudden, it just goes blank on you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
You know you're being blocked. It's rare, but it does happen.
Have you ever met up with somebody else while you're
remote viewing? Like, have you met up with another remote
viewer or somebody who is watching you as you were
remote viewing?

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
I think I think in one instance, yeah, this was
a this was a case that was actually in Maryland,
and I was looking into a possible government infiltration of
someone's property.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
And and that's been oh god, how long that been.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
That was twenty thirty, that was twenty thirteen, so it's
been twelve years. But yeah, I was blocked. Yeah, it
just it just it just went dead on me. Now,
I wasn't working with anybody else. I don't have any
way of proving that, but I uh, not long after that,

(01:42:00):
I did have a confrontation with some of the Alphabet people.
What happened there, Well, they knew I was working on
the case because the guy I was doing it for
he was getting a hold of his congress person and
other people, and the congress person just got tired of
him bugging him, so he went to he went to

(01:42:23):
someone who got a hold of the NSA, and the
NSA came out and talked to me. Okay, yeah, oh
I've yeah, I've had I've had three encounters over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
What happens when you have an encounter like that. For
those of us who never have, we hear about it.
What happens.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
Most of the time, they're pretty cool about it. They
just ask you to back off, or if you will
back off, I'm not gonna argue with him. I tell
him absolutely, if it's causing an issue, I don't want
to be any part of it. That last time, the
one in twenty thirteen, was the last one that was

(01:43:11):
a n essay. I was at my doctor's office. I
was living down outside of Baltimore at the time. I uh,
it was it was. It was weird because I got
called back to the examination room. The nurse had just
taken me out, so I was I was in there
waiting for the doctor to show up. After I was
there about ten minutes, the nurse came knocked on the door,

(01:43:33):
came in, mister Strickler, there are two people out here
want to talk to you out in the waiting room,
and they can't come back here, so you're gonna have
to go out to them. I said, who were They said,
just a man and a woman, but they they specifically
said they wanted to talk to you.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
Well I walked out and there's a guy and a
woman there. You know, she had a dress suit on,
and you know, and the first thing they did, and
there was a crowd of people in that waiting room,
it was packed. They flashed the badges mister Struckler, we're
with the National Security Administration. We'd like to talk to you.

(01:44:15):
We have an office security across the hallway. Can you
follow us please? Okay? And I had no idea what
was about. I had a feeling what it was about.
And we got in there and they said, well, they
mentioned the guy's name. They told me what he had
been doing. He'd been contacting his congressman. They wanted to

(01:44:36):
know if I knew about the you know, about the contact.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
I didn't. He didn't tell me anything about that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
They said, we're going to ask you, uh, you know,
because it came to us that we'd like for you
to stop looking into this.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
We don't think there's anything to it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Uh. And uh, there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
There's other people who would like you to stop. Can
you can you give us your guarantee that you will
not continue looking into this? And I said absolutely? Whoa yep,
So I did. I told I contacted guy when I
got home. I told him, I said, that's it. You know,
when the when the you know, when they start knocking,

(01:45:22):
you just back off. And and that's what I did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
That is nothing short of creepy right there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Yeah, but it happens I've heard. I've had other people
tell me this very closely. I mean, almost the same
exact thing, and it's just not NSA. It's you know,
I had one friend of mine who got a visit
from NASA. That was years ago, but it was he
got a visit from NASA. UH Air Force does that?

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Yeah, Jay is asking if you've had the chance to
remote view three I at lists. No, I haven't, No,
I have it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
I I'm gonna if I do that, the protocol is
gonna have to be different, and I'm gonna have to
confer with a colleague of mine who I've worked with
on many many RVs and cases.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Right but.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I know I haven't. I have had people ask me
if I'm going to r V. But at this point,
right now, I don't know. What do you think it is?
What's your gut feeling? Well, the way the thing is acting,
it's it's definitely anomaly. I don't think it's a comet.

(01:46:51):
I think it may very well be closer to an asteroid.
But it is really putting out some strange chemical signatures
that they're picking up on, and let alone, this thing
changing direction, almost like there's something intelligent behind it. I
don't know, but it's so weird. It really is weird.

(01:47:16):
And I don't even know what I would want to
gear the RV two other than just trying to get
a sense of what we're dealing with and what possible
information I could get from an RV.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
I have no idea what this thing is. I mean, strange.
I would say probably about ninety percent. I'm sure that
it is a comet or an asteroid of some sort.
But there's that ten percent of me that wu side
that absolutely wants this to be an alien ship. Man.
And here's the problem, though, if it was an alien

(01:47:59):
ship'll never know about it. We will never know. They
won't even tell us. They'll cut the feed to James
Webb or Hubble or any of the satellites going through.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Well, you know my whole fault on disclosure. It's not
gonna happen unless it absolutely has to happen. And you know,
the whole congressional thing that's been going on off and
on for years. They're spoon and feeding us what they
feel they can tell us. But many of us who
had been involved with the whole phenomena for many years,

(01:48:36):
you know from what they are telling is it's nothing new.
We've been hearing about that for a long time. So
I don't know. I don't put much faith into disclosure.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
No. Brandon Fugel, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch, has recently
come out saying he thinks disclosure is dead as well.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is. Yeah, I thought that
for a long time. Me too, my man. I think
Butcher thought the same thing. I mean, you and I
had talked about it, and you know, we have looked
on some cases that had some cover up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
They they just don't budge. They really don't budge.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
You know, it's kind of it's kind of inherent with
them that, you know, if we it's no need to know,
you're not gonna know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
Let's go to another question. Here we go four and
a half minutes. Okay, and let's go to where are
we here? Let's go to Jessica, what cryptid have you
seen with your eyes? The last time you saw cryptid?

(01:49:53):
Nineteen eighty eight, wing humanoid. You're in Pennsylvania. That was
the last one I've seen too. But I had a
big foot encounter in nineteen eighty one. But I had
the wing HumanID encounter in nineteen eighty eight. That's the
last I've seen. Joe is asking would you rather come

(01:50:15):
face to face with a big foot in the woods
or feral humans in the woods?

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Good question. Probably a bigfoot. I'm already going through that,
and I didn't feel threatened at all.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
A feral human.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
You don't know what you're run into there, So yeah,
i'd say I'd say bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Yeah, I'm the same way. Feral humans somehow have these
traps and these contraptions that they've built out of nature
that are just meant to hurt you. Yeah, don't trust them.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
You know. I've heard a lot of feral reports, feral
human reports over the years, and yeah, they're not too trustworthy.
There is a real creep factor when it comes to them. Oh,
I can't say that a big big foot.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
All right, let's go to another question here. Let's go
to Chris Teen, who is asking Lon, do you wear
or use protective crystals to block psychic attacks? Yes? I do.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
I use affirmation, I use white light and golden light
aura protection, and I use crystals, and I always keep
crystals with me. The crystals I always keep with me
are yutrium fluorite and black tormaline.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Old black Tourmaline. I got some of that. We call
Josh the Wizard around these parts, sneaking in a question
before he comes on the air in a little bit.
If you take the original witness testimony of mothman in
that it is more like a birdman. Have you ever

(01:52:09):
compared other birdman type sightings looking for correlations?

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Probably more times than I want to admit, But you know,
I've tried to compare all these winged humanoid sightings modern
end older ones from you know, antiquity. I think on
all there's a relationship, but there are differences. I don't

(01:52:41):
think any of them are indigenous. I think they're they're
all from someplace else.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
I told you my theory about the Point Pleasant walk man.
I think it was a summon being. I think it
was summoned by a very strong spirit. And I think
Chicago overall there may be something as well that is

(01:53:09):
a protective spirit. But there are a lot of differences.
I mean, the sightings, the sightings in Chicago are so
strange because it does seem like this these things really
want to be seen and they're not shy. Now, they
they're not aggressive as opposed to what the Mathman of

(01:53:32):
point pleasant was that did show some aggression. But you know,
you know, until we get more evidence, and you know,
I've been saying that for a long time, and I
know people are tired of hearing it. But until I
get more evidence and more to base it on, I

(01:53:52):
don't really see a real close relationship. But I do
believe they are related to in some degree.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
One. It's almost at a time where we have to
say good night to you tonight, and I apologize to
those who we didn't get to their questions. But tell
everybody where they can find Fantoms and Monsters.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
Go to Fantosmonsters dot com and it's a new website.
We redid the whole website. It's gonna have more bells
and whistles as we go. There's also a newsletter. You
can sign up for the newsletter on the website. I'm
gonna try to get that out of every two weeks.
I just started this month. And also go to Fans

(01:54:38):
and Monsters Radio on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Just search it and it'll come up.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
And we did the show live show every Friday Nay
just chased.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. All right, we
are clear, Hey, Lon you can uh go watch the

(01:55:08):
top of the sixteenth inning right now.

Speaker 5 (01:55:11):
That's ridiculous. Uh huh, that's that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Two o'clock in the morning, they're still playing baseball line.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
You know, you think they would eventually call it and
resume it another time.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
You're out of players, I mean, damn that, you know,
play until there's a winner. Well, if somebody gets hurt,
there's gonna be some hell about that. Oh course, all right,
body talk to you, Happy birthday, Thank you, and we
will talk about flight twenty one at another time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
Yeah, maybe Wednesday. Okay, all rybody talk to lare.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Be right back everybody usus.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
U.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Oh all right, let's bring in the wizard. Wizard. How
you doing.

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
I'm doing fantastic. Apparently I'm one of the lucky few
that keeps gets to keep a space in my YouTube
channel when I'm finding out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Oh nice, All right, we got about a minute ago here.

Speaker 5 (02:00:36):
Maybe I was maybe I was grandfathered in. I don't know, don't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
Is there is there anything better on a cracker than
beer cheese? Maybe beer cheese and summer sausage.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
I like borsen cheese, gran the cranberry one do you
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on spaced Out Radio, let's head to the swamp. Hello,
and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 6 (02:02:45):
I'm swamp dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you
on a mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends,
and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 6 (02:02:58):
You can call me Sinclair or Midnight, whatever you prefer.
I'm a country kid from California. It's not all movies
and surfing out here, just big farms and ranches mainly,
but there are also forest, deep dark forests at that
I've had my share of the paranormal and cryptis, and
I've got some pretty interesting stories to tell you, but

(02:03:20):
I thought i'd start with this one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:03:23):
I grew up camping and hunting. It's pretty big in
my family if we've hunted the California forest and mountains
for generations, especially the farther back areas. A Couple of
years back, me and my dad, a couple of my
cousins and uncles went on this big camping trip, kind
of like a guy's retreat or something. It's a bit
of a tradition here. On the first night, everything seemed

(02:03:48):
calm as we sat around the fire, but suddenly one
of my cousins proked up and said, hey.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Y'all hear that.

Speaker 6 (02:03:55):
We stopped for a second and went quiet. There it
was a snapping out in the It sounded farther off.
My dad and uncles thought it might be a bear,
as it was the fall time and they'd be out,
but we all knew better. A bear in the woods
doesn't want attention, and trust me, you'd never even know
was there unless you knew what to look or listen for.

(02:04:16):
We stayed on alert the entire time. There had been
rumors about this region for a while now, rumors about Bigfoot.
Some of us were believers, but a lot of the
cousins weren't. But if you stay back in the woods
long enough, you'd know this. Roundings tried real hard not
to be found.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
Going on.

Speaker 6 (02:04:36):
This continued for probably three days straight, but each time
it was like it was getting closer, almost sizing us up,
so to speak, what with there being like fifteen of
us in all. But then it got worse. The thing
got real close. One night and my dad decided to
end this. He fired the twelve gage shotgun in the

(02:04:58):
air and the footsteps disappeared into the dark. Then that night,
three loud knocks started coming at all hours of the night.
It was like you would close your eyes and drift
off and blam a massive knock. We weren't leaving, though,
we're too tough for that, you know. We were more curious,
as I like to look at it. By the sixth night,

(02:05:19):
everything went quiet and we thought it was over. We
had guys stay out in Paris to guard and it
was my turn with my cousin Kay. Kay was relaxed,
but I couldn't shake that feeling at all.

Speaker 8 (02:05:30):
I felt like I was being watched.

Speaker 6 (02:05:32):
Then suddenly a rock flew out of nowhere and smashed
into the middle of the fire, launching sparks everywhere. We
woke everyone up as a roar filled the night sky.
Everyone was up, and every once in a while we
got pelted by large stones. Enough was enough and we
unleashed our Bloodhnes and they chased this thing for almost three.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Miles in those dense woods.

Speaker 6 (02:05:52):
By the time we caught up to the hound, they
were lapping at a rock formation it was something that
I've never seen before. After some time, we found an
opening hidden under the brush. We thought it was time
to end it all, but we thought better of it,
at least for that day.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
I'll continue sharing this story.

Speaker 6 (02:06:10):
If this one gets read, I guess there are many
more encounters with these bigfoots and other things in these woods.
Thank you for sharing my story.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamp Dweller, hit subscribe, ring that bell. Thousands
of stories there for you to choose from if you
want to get creeped out after this show tonight, time
for the wizard.

Speaker 4 (02:06:37):
Say almighty side you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Have bows and makes us bad? All right, Josh Rutland,

(02:07:06):
It's good to have you here. How you doing, buddy,
I'm doing fantastic. Ready to kick off this next week
of UFO activity. If there will be any well, you
know what I got to tell you. Locally here the
people are talking. There was a big potential UFO sighting

(02:07:27):
in my area last night. Wow. Yeah, so apparently now
I think it was a meteor because when a meteor
flies through the sky, it turns it always seems to
have that really nice color blue that goes along with it.

(02:07:47):
And many people from north of me, down south by
a couple hours drive claim to have seen this blue
object streak across the sky. Our area here is very
well known for meteors and meteorites hitting, so I think

(02:08:08):
that's what it was. But still watching the people around here,
did anybody see it? Did anybody go through with it?
I mean, it just goes to show. And I don't
mean this as an insult, but how uneducated so many
of us are about what comes into our atmosphere, what
could be flying by?

Speaker 5 (02:08:25):
Yeah, yeah, Well, and it's really interesting too because I've
seen a big green fireball before. I actually saw one
on Halloween night, like in twenty two, I think, And
what a lot of people don't realize is is you
can tell what a meteor is made of by what

(02:08:45):
color it admits when it's burning up an atmosphere. So
like green, I think I've always heard as like magnesium.
I think blue is usually like magnesium or iron, which
most meteors are made up of iron. So the ones
that the ones that still impact the ground are typically

(02:09:06):
made up of iron because there's enough iron is so
dense there's enough of it left over by the time
it goes through its burn process reentering or entering the
atmosphere that there's enough to actually hit the ground. But
but yeah, you're you're right. I mean, it's you know,
I think that's what I think, that's what we saw
primarily with even the New Jersey drone situation. Was it

(02:09:29):
just because it was on the local news, people looked
up and then they saw things in the night sky
that they have never seen before because they don't normally
look up and and honestly, I probably blame uh smartphones
a lot for the reason why people are not aware
of what is in the night sky, because when they're

(02:09:51):
walking around sometimes even from just the car and the
driveway to the front door, they're looking at their phones.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
I would agree with you. I would totally agree with
you on that. And it's very interesting to note that,
you know, we really do not have a big understanding
of knowledge. I mean, even if we look in the
sky and even myself, you know, I mean, you see
these satellites flying by. Some of them look like they

(02:10:22):
are just crawling through the sky, while others seem like
they're on some sort of speed racetrack, going like triple
the speed.

Speaker 5 (02:10:33):
Well in some you know, some satellites orbit the same
direction as the Earth. Some satellites orbit against the rotation
of the Earth, so when you add in our rotation
with their movement relative to our rotation, it can make
it look like they're moving extremely fast. Some satellites take

(02:10:54):
more of an elliptical type orbit, where in areas they
pass a little higher and they're in the peak of
their orbit, and then pass a little closer and the
you know, the lowest point of their orbit, so you're right.
And then on top of that, not just satellites, there's
just a ton of space debris, just nuts and bolts

(02:11:16):
and old parts of rockets and even old satellites that
we don't use anymore. We're letting their orbit just kind
of gradually decay, and they randomly burn up and re
enter the atmosphere and burn up and crash down, typically
in an ocean somewhere. I found a website once upon

(02:11:37):
a time that was you could go and and it
had somebody, I think it was like NASA or somebody
or European Space Agency had mapped all of the known
pieces of debris that were in our orbit. And let's
just say that that we don't just have junk yards
on our planet. I mean, there's just thousands and thousands

(02:11:59):
of pieces of space debris.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
And that's a good point too, because we also have
to remember that there are literally these are the reasons
why you know, NASA or SpaceX or anybody like that
has to, you know, pick a certain time to go
because they are trying to find a path through that
space debris. And look, satellites have blown up, satellites have

(02:12:26):
had pieces broken off on them. There's there's space rocks
out there, I mean, and you have to realize that
the way that things are moving up there, I mean,
even the smallest little screw that comes loose on this
space station and starts floating on by, that would tear
a hole through you like a bullet.

Speaker 5 (02:12:47):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you don't really want to
have a screw loose, not up there. No, but yeah,
that's very true. And then you know, a lot of
that stuff though, is non reflective. You know, like people
talk about satellite flaring and you know what that is

(02:13:07):
is you know, for anybody's who's listening, who already knows,
you know, just there with me, for a moment for
those who don't. But there are surfaces, mainly solar panels
on certain satellites. It's been called to the attention lately
because of starlink and how many satellites they're putting up,
but this could be true across any satellite. But are

(02:13:28):
there are surfaces that are large reflective surfaces that when
the sun is in a kind of the correct kind
of geometrical angle to where the sun is raised heading
the object, and those are bouncing down and they're visible
to us. And that's why in the night sky you
can see these brightly lit satellites moving across the sky.

(02:13:49):
Its because they're reflecting the Sun's rays back down to us.
Sometimes those satellites are tumbling, and when they tumble, they
they move in and then out of that kind of
reflection period. So it may even appear that they are
flashing at you. But if they're flashing at you on
a regular kind of sequence like you can count, and

(02:14:12):
it's every nineteen seconds or something that it flashes at you,
more than likely that's a tumbling satellite. That is just
it takes it nineteen seconds to complete its revolution and
then it comes back around and reflects that sunlight back
at you. But these are all things that I've learned since,

(02:14:33):
you know, taking an interest in all of this stuff.
And so if you have kind of a quasi interest
in the UAP topic, but not enough to spend any
time investigating it, then you could potentially misidentify things that
our man made objects or even natural objects are not natural.

(02:14:55):
Let's say occurring events that could be misidentified as well.

Speaker 1 (02:15:00):
And that's the big thing. So out of all the
reports that you get from Mofon being a Movefon investigator,
how many of them, say, out of ten every ten reports,
how many of them are actual UFOs?

Speaker 5 (02:15:18):
Well, I'll give you a better number. So last year
I worked twenty six reports, and of those twenty six,
I think it was like twelve or thirteen for me
were unknown. The thing about the thing about the Moufon

(02:15:43):
investigatory process, and I don't say this to speak ill
of Moufon, they're just not They don't have the volunteer
staffing to do it the correct way in my opinion,
But it is very subjective. So if I'm a field
investigator and I look at a Moufon case and I

(02:16:04):
don't appro I don't I don't load it with my
with any bias. I try not to load it with
any bias. I don't walk into it saying this has
to be a UAP or there's no way this can
be a UAP. I walk into it trying to be
as neutral as possible. Take the witness testimony, review the
provided evidence, you know, look at potential prosaic explanations, and

(02:16:26):
ultimately come down with what I think it is. But
there are investigators in Moufon that do not take that approach.
They're either heavily biased towards everything is an unknown or
most things are an unknown, or they're heavily biased the
other way, where they've never seen a UFO there. They

(02:16:49):
joined Moufon, became an investigator so that they could find
the case that is going to prove them wrong, but
so far they haven't found it. So for them, all
the cases they investigate get classified as man made or
you know, IFO. So that's where I think it's it's
somewhat subjective, not not someonet. It is very subjective. The

(02:17:12):
Moufon investigatory process. You know, ideally every case that gets
investigated would go through a series of peer reviews probably
you know, three you know, one key investigator and then
two additional peer reviews per case, and then the you
know whatever the common agreement amongst those, the original investigation

(02:17:37):
and the two peer reviews, that's what would be accepted
as the disposition on the case. But unfortunately, like I said,
Muffon doesn't have the volunteer staff in order to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's and that's the problem. When you're
dealing with volunteers, you're working on their time, not on
your time. And and I feel for move On in
that way, because that's something that move On just cannot
you know, cure, and it is not their fault.

Speaker 5 (02:18:11):
Well and and and frankly, I mean anybody, anybody who
tries to perform any type of mass investigation type process
where they're going to do the same thing, they're going
to run into the same issue. The only way to
possibly possibly remove some of that would be to have

(02:18:32):
you know, AI machine learning act as that initial investigatory
body where it assigns potential disposition and then somebody just
reviews that potential disposition based on the information that AAR
or machine learning collected and then gives you know, kind
of a final either you know, yes I agree with this,

(02:18:53):
or no I don't and here's why. And then those
that are the disagreement with the AI disposition should those
get a third peer review to make the final determination
of what the disposition is.

Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
Right? Right, So you've covered you covered how many cases?
Twenty six cases this year?

Speaker 5 (02:19:14):
Last year, yep I was the Arizona move On Field
the Investigator of the Year my first year out. So
so far this year I've covered five cases. So, but
I also joined the Experience or Resource Team at MOFON,
which is a team dedicated to working with experiencers to

(02:19:37):
just provide a listening ear and then provide them any
resources that they may want or need to kind of
help them work through that experience that they've had and
what it means and all that kind of stuff. So
I've also now got those types of cases on my
plate as well.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
So explain that what that means the Experience or Resources team. Yeah.
So let's say that you have you have a UFO
siding and you have an abduction experience. So you might
log your case with moufon and you may indicate that
I had that you had a UFO siding and you

(02:20:15):
had an abduction experience, and when that case comes through,
it gets assigned to a field investigator who researches the
or investigates the UFO side of that report, and then
it comes to a member of the e r T,
which again stands for the Experience or Resource Team. It
was stood up by Kathleen Martin some years ago within

(02:20:38):
MOFON and so that team is responsible for just providing
a listening ear and then if the experiencer wants, let's
say they want to go through a hypnosis to try
to regress and get more information, or they would like

(02:20:58):
to have a they would like to be a part
of a local you know, experience or group that they
can meet up with or virtually meet up with and
share their story and hear the story of others and
you know, feel that they're not alone. The ERT helps
link them to those resources. Even if you know they

(02:21:20):
would just want to talk to a therapist, well, here's
a list of therapists in the area who are sensitive.

Speaker 5 (02:21:26):
To this topic. They're not going to just dismiss you
or tell you that you're conjuring demons or whatever the
case may be. They're going to listen to you and
provide valuable insight because they're open to the topic. So
that's kind of what the ERT does. And so, like
I said, I've recently joined that team and so I
get those types of cases in addition to your standard

(02:21:50):
you know, UFO investigation cases. Dealing with real people in
real time events is very difficult in this field due
to logistics, due to emotions, due to whether or not
the person wants to open up. How close if you're
on that ERT team, how close do you have to

(02:22:10):
get in order to to try and be there quickly?
Like what's what's the turnaround time? So we we try
to the process within mof ON is changing in the
next couple of months, but it's sometimes been difficult because
they get they get contacted by a field investigator, and

(02:22:33):
so when the ERT member reaches out, there's oftentimes confusion
as to somebody already look into my case, why are
you now contacting me? But like I said, we're working
on changing that process so that we get a quicker
turnaround or the ability to contact the experience or before
having to wait for the field investigator to you know,

(02:22:55):
complete their part of the case investigation. But you know, uh,
some cases, I think it's a matter of people who
just want to share their story and and and want
to be heard. And those people are easier to connect
with UH and to arrange you know, a phone conversation

(02:23:18):
with et cetera. Sometimes we're able to do it in person.
Er TA members are not assigned and on a per
state basis like field investigators are. So you have a
field investigator in Arizona who works Arizona cases, but an
e r T member may, like myself, I may live
in Arizona, but I may get assigned a case that's

(02:23:38):
California or Oregon or Washington or Utah. You know, they
try to stay within a certain time zone so that
I'm not potentially having to reach out to folks you know,
all the way back in on the East Coast or whatever,
completely on a different time zone. But it's really you know,
in my experience so far, and I've only I've only
had three e r T cases so far far, but

(02:24:01):
of those three, two completely ghosted me, had you know,
would not respond, would not reply, uh, you know, made
three or four different attempts email and phone, could not
get them on the line. A third one, uh, you know,
very open to sharing his stories, and we we're arranging

(02:24:22):
a conversation you know, this week. So it's it's really
just a matter I think of the people and how
comfortable they feel sharing and where they are in the process.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
The UFO Report with Josh Rutledge continues after this. This
is spaced out Radio and your hosts Nay Scott Holy

(02:25:05):
Cow going into the eighteenth inning.

Speaker 5 (02:25:10):
What game is this?

Speaker 1 (02:25:12):
Game three of the World Series between the Toronto and
la My goodness, it's two thirty in the morning for
Jay's fans.

Speaker 5 (02:25:24):
Wow, I'm not really a big watch baseball. I mean,
I'll like going to the live games, but m.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
Not really.

Speaker 5 (02:25:37):
I watch baseball and TV kind of guy. It's too slow,
too slow and boring. So I'd rather watch curling than baseball.
I love curling. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:25:56):
Curling is like shock put on ice, isn't it. Basically
it's like shuffle board a shuffle board, Yeah, shuffleboard on ice.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:26:12):
M hmmmm.

Speaker 3 (02:26:15):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 5 (02:26:25):
I do have something, by the way, when we come back.
I has hit the news wires over the last day
or so, and but it's directly related to our conversation.
For the first half. Beautiful, let's do it. We've got

(02:26:58):
about three and a half minutes. What's that behind you?
The card looks like a playing card on a towel
or something.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
Oh, let me tell you a look here, where are
you looking here?

Speaker 5 (02:27:13):
It's like a like an ace of spades, Like it's
on the wall direct right behind here.

Speaker 1 (02:27:20):
Yeah. That is an R and an A for Axel Rose.

Speaker 5 (02:27:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:27:28):
Yeah, that's from their No Trickery tour, their first ever
residency at the hard Rock Hotel in Vegas twenty twice. Nice. Yeah,
I was not leaving without that shirt. And you know
it's funny because I've worn that shirt to I wore

(02:27:48):
that shirt to a Guns and Roses concert in twenty
sixteen in Vancouver and people were like, where did you
get that shirt? How did you I've never seen that
shirt before. I'm like, yeah, man, no Trickery.

Speaker 5 (02:28:08):
So one day you can auction it off and send
at least one of your kids to college.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
I'm actually not to sound morbid, that's my death shirt.
Oh okay, yeah, so when I go into the into
the oven, I'll be wearing that thing.

Speaker 5 (02:28:26):
Man, Well you think you will, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
Oh no, I've I've got it. I've got it. I've
got it in my will, man, I've got my ball cap,
my favorite ball cap, my my shirt, my favorite shorts,
no socks and city playing in the background.

Speaker 5 (02:28:49):
I heard a I heard a really neat thing from
Noil de grasse Tyson talking about cremation one time. He said,
you know, if you get buried in the earth, then
eventually you break down, you become part of the earth.
But if you get burned in the oven, then all
of the heat escapes the chimney via infrared light and
it actually goes out into the universe and just perpetually

(02:29:13):
expands into the universe forever.

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
My god, I gotta buddy, I gotta stop that conversation.
I'm about to have a panic attack. Death absolutely scares
the hell out of me.

Speaker 5 (02:29:23):
All Right, I'm bad.

Speaker 1 (02:29:25):
No, that's uh, it's my fault, not yours. Like I'm
about to throw up. It's not you. It's my own
anxiety over it. That's how bad my anxiety is about death.

Speaker 5 (02:29:40):
Well, I'm hitting you at a little bit of reiki
right now to see if I help you.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Oh God, thank you, you de mand you the man.
I have like severe panic attacks about death, severe even
though I know that I can go haunt people afterwards. Yeah,
it's the what What kills me is the what if factor. Ah,

(02:30:04):
you know that, even though I'm a god guy and everything,
that what if factor scares the hell out of me,
always has, always has. We got fifteen seconds. Ka oh,
let's reset the energy here, Dave, rock and roll dude.
We're gonna reset it in like three seconds. We've rounded third.

(02:30:49):
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Hey man, we want to all remind you why do
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(02:31:32):
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Space Travelers Club, He's Josh Rutledge. He's from the UFO report.
We call him the wizard around here, and you got
to report for us. I do. Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:31:47):
This has actually been in the news quite a bit
over the last twenty four hours. Everybody's covering it, Like
everybody the most obscure news websites on the interwebs is
covering this. So Enigma Labs put out or somebody, either

(02:32:09):
a user of Enigma's application mobile application, or the Enigma
Labs themselves put out a statement that they have recorded
over nine thousand mysterious sightings within ten miles of US
shorelines or major bodies of water. More than one hundred
and fifty of these describe objects hovering just above or

(02:32:31):
plunging into the water. The states top in the list
are California and Florida, both coastal states with vast maritime zones.
Enigma Labs claims that it is the largest database of
UAP anomalies. And I can I can say. I downloaded

(02:32:52):
the app and I looked at out of curiosity. I
looked it up and my report that I made to
move Fun in twenty twenty one in Kentucky was in
their database, and so and my reports that I've made
to Newfork is in their database, So Enigma Lapse is
at least consuming data from both Moufon and Newfork into

(02:33:17):
their database. But there are there are the way that
they've got it structured. You can go on the app
and you can submit your report directly in the apps.
There there are video and citing and pictures of information
in there from people all over the world. There's stuff
in France. I mean it, it's a pretty significant step forward,
and maybe crowd sourcing the solution or you know, to

(02:33:42):
help solve the UAP mystery. But like I said, everybody
and their mother is covering the story, which to me
makes it feel like more of a pr push than
a like a natural role kind of look at this
awesome story that we just found out about and then

(02:34:04):
is now piggyby and picked up everybody. It seems more
like a somebody in Enigma Labs got you know, the
top ten networks to run the story, and then everybody
else picked it up.

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
I'm gonna say something here, and it might be a
little bit controversial here, okay, but I don't mind. Enigma
Labs when they first came out, were claiming they had
half a million reports almost instantaneously reported to them. They're
using the term reported to them. Yep, okay, And then

(02:34:40):
that number went down to a quarter million, then one
hundred and twenty five thousand, and then they stopped posting
the number. For them to sit there and say that
they are getting all of these reports, it's theft.

Speaker 5 (02:34:59):
Well, it's it's I would say it's theft to potential.
It's it's misrepresentation because if Movefon and.

Speaker 1 (02:35:08):
New it's plagiarism.

Speaker 5 (02:35:11):
Yes, if move On and New Fork are willing to
willingly providing them with their databases, then it's not theft
of that intellectual property. But it is, like you said,
plagiarism because they're claiming that they have received, like you said,
half a million reports when in all actuality, you know, uh,
probably three quarters of that half a million came from

(02:35:34):
the New Fork and Movefon database systems. And see no one,
no one reported those reports to Enigma. Enigma just acquire
that data.

Speaker 1 (02:35:44):
Yeah, but all you have to do to acquire that
data is pay the the fee to join mof on.
Then you get that's not true.

Speaker 5 (02:35:54):
There. You can you can pay the fee to join
move On and you can search the database, but you
can't download the database you have to go through. Trust me,
I've known. I've been trying to download snippets of the
database for many years as a part of my research,
and I get crickets. So there is a process to
go about getting some sort of a dump from the

(02:36:15):
Moufon database. Bigelow did it back when asapp was stood
up back in the early in the late nineties, and
apparently now Enigma has as well. But it is a
snapshot in time because I looked at some cases that
I've worked since becoming a film investigator, I've looked those
up in Enigma and they're not there. So they got

(02:36:36):
a snapshot in time of the Mofon database, you know,
where my sighting was included, but the stuff that I've
worked since you know, twenty twenty four and twenty twenty
five was not there. So whether or not they're going
to continue to get it, I don't know. But the point,
like I think the point you're trying to make is
is that you can't claim that you have received half

(02:36:58):
a million reports, which imply is that there are lots
of people using your system to report UAPs, when that's
not actually true.

Speaker 1 (02:37:09):
Well it's you know, Enigma. The problem with enigma is
they have been caught in so many alleged lies okay,
claiming they had no interest in doing any government work,
Yet here they were working with government agencies like NASA. Okay,

(02:37:32):
How does a group that barely has any reports, six
months into their promotion all of a sudden get asked
to speak as a UAP slash UFO professional research team
at a NASA a private NASA UAP conference their reports.
What people don't understand is they tried to buy off

(02:37:55):
people with six figure contracts in the UFO world. I've
talked to two people who were offered six figures who
declined it, and one was a journalist. They were trying
to buy off journalists in this field to work for
them and to cover their stories. That failed, they tried

(02:38:21):
to purchase I know they tried to purchase numerous private
UFO and accounts, including David Marler's which was declined. I
do know Ben Hansen did sell his too Enigma Labs.
So the question is is somebody in Moufon giving them

(02:38:45):
access to it, which I highly doubt, or have they
figured out a way to get around the system.

Speaker 5 (02:38:54):
Well, I do not doubt that Muffon is giving them
access to it. I have no insider knowledge. I just
don't I just don't doubt that move on is given
because because Moufon did it before, you know, they did
it before for Robert Bigelow. They might be charging a fee,

(02:39:15):
you know, and meg Enigma might be paying a fee
for the access to that data. But I you know,
the only potential uh you know those that you know,
it was all over Reddit for a while, but Moufon
went down for a little bit last year.

Speaker 1 (02:39:34):
They were hacked, yes, which we broke, which we broke
on this show.

Speaker 5 (02:39:38):
Okay, so you know it's it caused them to kind
of reconfigure their infrastructure and things to try to make
them a little more secure. But it was down for
like three or four months total for you know, not
only making reports but for investigators Steven logging into the
system to to work on them reports. And so you know,

(02:40:04):
it was theorized then because shortly, you know, within a
few weeks or a couple of months after that Enigma
made their post about having so many of these cases,
it was floated online and like redd it in places
that Enigma had somehow obtained the CMS. But I don't
think I really don't think that that would be the case.

(02:40:26):
I don't, I don't. I don't see how if that
was the case, they would still be allowed to operate. So, yeah,
there is something peculiar with Enigma Labs. I don't know
why moof On has tried to be what Enigma Labs
is claiming to be for a long time. I don't

(02:40:50):
know why they would agree to put all of their
case records in Enigma Labs. You know why they would
be roll over and let Enigma become what Moufon has
tried to become for the last fifty years.

Speaker 1 (02:41:07):
I would agree with you, I would totally agree with you.
And the unfortunate part about it is this is where
you're at, right because move on not People have to
understand there's two different sides to move on. You have
the business side, which at times over the last twenty

(02:41:30):
years eighteen years, has made some really shady moves at times.
I think we can admit that. Okay, once again, away
from the field investigators, you're a field investigator. Okay. Away
from the field investigators, Mofon has done things that have

(02:41:50):
been shady. Okay, but they're investigators such as yourself, and
I'm not just saying this because you're a friend and
you're part of this show. I know a lot of
moof On investigators. I know a lot of state directors.
They're good people. They're very good people who care about

(02:42:11):
the cause of what they are doing, which is trying
to do independent research and investigation on the UFO sightings.
Their job is needed. However, I think at times leadership
of Mofon in their board of directors gets a little
confused with the direction that they want to go, and

(02:42:35):
at times I think there's a real old school mentality
that if we don't talk about it, it doesn't happen.
They've never addressed the properly the Robert Bigelow situation where
he literally paid off move On for their records of
a total of about I think six to seven hundred

(02:42:58):
thousand dollars. They never They never cleared up the John
Ventry racism situation, and yet Ventry was sitting and still
putting conferences together under MUFON's name in the East Coast.

(02:43:18):
They never cleared up the Jan Harzan situation where the
former director of Moufon was well, let's face it, he
was convicted of trying to lure underage women. They never
addressed that, and yet their computers were used as evidence

(02:43:42):
from their California offices. So there's a lot that hasn't
been done. You know. That's just three cases that the
Board of Directors has really shuffled under the table. And
that's why a lot of the mof On board of
directors don't care for me because I won't let it
go right. But as for the investigation people such as

(02:44:02):
yourself and many others that we know you guys are
doing yeomen's work, but we also know that Moufon wants
to get into bed with the government, the Board of
directors that is. Yeah, So let me tell you a
story here. I don't even know if you know this.
When I broke the story of Moufon's website and their

(02:44:27):
DMS system getting hacked, I actually got a call from
Mouffon's lawyer who wasn't Moufon's lawyer, but she represented herself
as such, but she was part of a lawyer team
from a group called A ten, which is an activism

(02:44:49):
group out of Washington, d C. And when Moufon in
A ten had conjoined to work with one another, the
president of this group was given an immediate slot on
the board of Directors a mof on. So when I
broke the story, I had it confirmed from a couple

(02:45:09):
different sources that this had happened. And she tried to
deny the story and I said, that's not true. This
is what I've heard. She's like, well, you're going to
pull the story then, right, And I said no, no,
I'm not. I said, because even though your information is

(02:45:32):
different than mine, I have confirmed mine. And we went
on and on about this, and she tried to talk
lawyer tough and I just said, you realize I'm a
journalist and I know how this works, right, Because she
even asked me for my sources, well, who's the ones
telling you? And I said, you don't have a right
to know. You don't need to know who told me this.

(02:45:56):
She goes, well, I do if I could change the
proper story that you're reporting on. I said no. I said,
it's multiple sources. You don't need to know. One of
them is now deceased, right, And that was I'll give
you one because he's deceased. That's Earl Gray. And everybody

(02:46:22):
loved Earl Gray. Yeah, like talk about one of the
greatest people in eufology. Ever, and so she goes, well,
what do you need in order to keep quiet? I said,
I need a statement from Dave, the president of Buffon,
of the Board of directors. He needs to put out

(02:46:42):
a statement. Said, you put out a statement. I'll read
the statement on air. That's when he, Dave McDonald put
out a statement. I caused that.

Speaker 5 (02:46:58):
There you go, Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
But it wasn't Here's the thing though, it wasn't about
winning or losing. It just move On has a habit
that if we don't the Border Directors. Let me let
me specify again, the Border Directors has a habit that
if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. That's

(02:47:20):
the way they've always done things.

Speaker 5 (02:47:22):
And I would say that that, like you pointed out,
as an old school way of thinking and not really
practical in today's you know, media connected world. No, no,
I you have to you have to really, you have
to move to a model where you get ahead of
things more so than waiting to see if the poop's

(02:47:43):
going to land on your doorstep.

Speaker 1 (02:47:45):
I will tell you. When the Janjarzen story came out, okay,
which has never been discussed by move On, they shoved
that under the rug so quick, okay. When Jan Harzen
was the former director, was arrested for trying to lure
a young girl and it was a police officer who

(02:48:09):
was playing the role of the young girl. I said
to three different member board of director members, I said,
I'm saying this not as a journalist, but as somebody
who supports you guys, even though you think I hate you, okay,

(02:48:29):
And I said, you need to conduct an independent investigation
of everybody in that office and everybody on the board
to clear your name. It's good publicity. So these three
people brought it to John shu Shusler and Dave McDonald,

(02:48:55):
and they went apparently irate over it, saying, we're not
doing that, we're not saying anything. You imagine how much
better the reputation would have been if they would have
came out and just they knew it was going to
prove that nobody else was involved, but just to do
that independent research and have that independent investigator saying we care,

(02:49:20):
We're going to make sure this never happens again. But
they couldn't even do that. Yep, No, I hear you,
and it's you're right. I mean, move on.

Speaker 5 (02:49:34):
Has a very sordid past, and they continue to make
decisions that really calling the question and frankly, I don't
want to hopefully this doesn't burn me as a field investigator,
but I do see even problems and how like I'll
pointed out earlier around you know, the lack of here

(02:49:55):
review and things like that that I question. I questioned
MUFON's motives, if Moufon is truly trying to find answers
to the mystery of UAP. I just questioned why they
have structured their investigatory process the way they have that

(02:50:19):
introduces so much you know, uh evidence or data that
cannot be supported. There's too much bias and too many
reports that if you had access to the back end database,

(02:50:41):
so not just the front end that has you know,
the citing details, but the back end that actually had
what the field investigator found and what their disposition was.
If you looked at it and you said, okay, I'm
going to look at all the lights in the skycases
where disposition is unknown, you would putent actually be leaving

(02:51:03):
legitimate cases on the floor because the person who investigated
it cannot find it in themselves to classify a light
in the skycase is unknown, Right, So Because of that,
the mofon data, other than just being a repository of

(02:51:24):
case sightings, is not very useful in an investigatory perspective,
any type of research and analysis perspective. You would almost
have to go through and reconduct all the field that

(02:51:44):
all the investigations based on the information provided and come
to your own conclusions as to whether or not the
disposition was accurate or not. And nobody has the time
to do that. The other piece is and I probably
will get shunned for this one. If you go and
fill out a moof on report, there's a banner at

(02:52:05):
the top that says if you upload or attach any media,
it becomes exclusive rights of move on.

Speaker 1 (02:52:12):
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