Oct. 30/25 - Werewolves Are Real with Varla Ventura - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio Tonight. My name is Dave Scott. Varla
Ventura is our guest for our cryptid world. We love
her around here, yes we do, and we're gonna get
to her momentarily. We're in roll call on YouTube right
now saying hello to what intarnation? Carol Amario, how are you?
And Kufuna, how are you tonight? Nice to have you back,

(00:27):
all right, Vanessa, thanks for coming on in. Jurgen's in
with a soft Jay and who else do we have
here as we are running out of time? Laura Lobbs,
Kurt m Nice to have you both here in Let's
see here. Al gaay over on Twitch twenty five hundred
jumping Jackson four minutes to warm up for Varla tonight.

(00:50):
Oh man, I couldn't do that, could not do that.
Let's see here all right, we got ten seconds before
we launch. Super chat is open. You can shop at
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
Are you ready to hear your mister Voice of the Knights,
he's here, the choirs, he is ready. Useless let's boint
our ears.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Tools that we can come in Knights.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
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I'm just going to read this because I can, because
you know, thank you to chat GPT. I actually have
a proper intro now and bioto. Varla Stepping into the

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shadowy world of the strange and supernatural. Is Varla Vinchure,
a best selling author, folklorist, and chronicler of the weird.
Known for her books Banshees, werewolves, vampires and other Creatures
of the Night, and Fairies, Pukahs and Changelings, Varla dives
deep into the dark corners of folklore, haunted history, and

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the unseen realms that surround us. Her stories blend historical myth,
occult mystery, and real world encounters with the paranormal, offering
both chills and insight into humanity's oldest fears and fascinations.
Yes on Spaced Out Radio, Varla reveals the truth behind

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ancient legends, strange creatures, and ghostly encounters that still walk
among us. From haunted woods to be witched hearts, she
shows why the veil between the worlds may be thinner
than we think. Varla Ventura dot Net is her website.
You can find any of her books at any major bookstore. Varla,
how are you, my beautiful friend?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, you're back quite quite the intro.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I thought it was. I thought it was a little
romantic there, you.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Know, yeah, we witched heart, so I like that.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I like that absolutely. How you been. How's your health?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, my health is good. My house is good, pretty.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Much full recovery because you know, I guess they whatever
they call it, remission, not in treatment whatever, just kind
of waiting, waiting, waiting and seeing. No, my health is good.
I'm kind of just back to normal. So that in
itself is an adjustment.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
And you know what, for people who may not know,
where did Varla go? You actual had a cancer.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Scare and I had cancer.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, well you know what, and you kicked its ass,
So thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
If it did.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yes, and I'm just going to tell you because I'm
gonna you know, it's my show. So I could pat
myself on the back, I said. I literally said, like
I had a premonition about it, and I told you
about it. I said, you have absolutely nothing to worry
about nothing, And I felt so strongly about that.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, you know, you're very insistent.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah I was. I was very insistent on that, and
I hope my strength and that helped you a little bit.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Oh, absolutely, no, it was It was great to hear
that because nobody else was saying that. I mean, everyone
was saying like, oh, you'll be fine, and you were
just like, actually, my son said something very similar to
what you said.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
He said. I was like, do you want to talk
about this? Are you? Are you worried about this at all?

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And he was like, no, You're gonna be fine, like
very like, why would we need to talk about this?
And I was like, okay, well, either you know, denial
or divine a fine line, right, no, but yes, thank
you for asking, and thank you for just being so kind.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
The whole time I was going through treatment and stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
He was checking in on me and that was really
nice and being patient with me because I just couldn't
power through the late nights. So now I'm back on
the horse, writing another book and stand up way too
late and you know, drinking too much, all the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it's perfect, and I think you are perfect,
and I'm so happy, you know what. I'm so happy
about that that you know, it's really weird. And I
was saying this to a friend of mine when it
comes to this kind of stuff. I don't know why,
but if it's people who I am close to, and

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I consider myself to be very close to you, if
something happens health wise, it's like I immediately know, Like
I immediately know, and I trust that gout feeling. I
will be honest with you, and I don't say this
to brag. I'm batting one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
That's a good brag. You should brag, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And I but I don't know where it comes from.
Like like with you, it was when you told me,
you said, hey, we need to have a conversation and
you told me, and I was like, like, all of
a sudden, it was like nothing to worry about here,
don't worry about it. Day, she'll get better. Like it
was that like my guides all of a sudden like bang,

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am far less fine, don't even worry about it.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah nice, I mean too bad. Everyone doesn't have that.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I don't know where it comes from. I'll take it.
I will take it.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, take it totally. Yeah, No, I'm good, I'm yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Just this is some it's just a very intense like
five six months period there you know where it's quite
a roller coaster, and it's such a different experience for everyone,
and you just don't really know. You don't actually really
know what's going to happen. But you don't really have

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too much time to worry about that because you.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Just have to do whatever they tell you to do.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
So you're super busy and you're trying to maintain some
sense of normalcy. And I had a book come out
like the exact same time. It's like, oh gosh, so yeah,
it's just you know, trying to stay busy and be
relatively positive about things, you know, just trying to be me.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
But it's definitely like it.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
There's there's some underlying things in me that have been
like permanently changed I think, and rattled in a way
that I hadn't I haven't been before, and only time
will tell, but the results of that will be you know.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I'm just gonna call it right now. You're fine. You
know what that we do?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, I don't mean that. I don't mean healthwives.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I just mean like, when you have something like that happened, yes,
to reevaluate things in a way that you never have before.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
So yeah, well should we tell everybody the other good
news that happened today.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I don't know, because is that actually like official official?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, let's let's sneak it out there. Let's sneak it
out there.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Okay, okay, Well, you know you know her better than
I do, so I don't you know. I don't want
to put her in a weird position or anything since
we haven't had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well you do. I I kind of pulled some strings.
Everybody knows. The last couple of years, I have been
going and speaking at the Nebaraska Bigfoot Conference. I'll be
going back for my thirty year in a row here,
which apparently is a rarity. It's never happened, I don't think.
But the people wanted me back. I don't know why
they wanted me back.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I spoke.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, and Varla will be speaking at the Nebraska Bigfoot
Conference in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, it was it April twenty fourth and twenty fifth.
I'm really excited. We just found that out today.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, so yes, so thank you to Robin Haynes. Thank
you to Robin Haynes and Robin for those who want
to meet up with with Varla and I in Nebraska,
I know Trucker Andrew. Will I know Zen.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Andrew up.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Absolutely. I can't wait. I can't wait to see you.
I promise you. I got a big hug for you.
I got a big and then we're gonna go. Then
we're gonna go have a few drinks, and then we're
gonna go to Taco Bell.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Okay, all right, Oh yeah, I haven't been a Taco
Bell since I was fourteen.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
But well, all right, Welcome to Dave Time. That's all
I gotta say. Welcome to Dave Time.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Varla, you are someone who is into the monsters, the macabre,
the darker side of the cryptid world. Everybody always talks
Bigfoot dog man. You're not really into that dog man,
probably more than Bigfoot, but you are into more of
the of the macab I like using that word around you.
I don't know why, but I do.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I love that word. I find it flattering.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Why do you look more towards the darkness of the
cryptid world? What intrigues you about that?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
So?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I've always liked dark things, and I think I liked
dark things before I started thinking even like really even
thinking about cryptids, right, Like, I've always been fascinated with
what I consider like magical creatures or supernatural creatures. And

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I don't know, I think I just it just really
satisfies something. And I mean I was like, I was
always in love with the villain as a kid, Like
in the movies, it was.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Always the villain for me.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
It's terrible, probably like explains a lot about my relationships
in life, but always like, man, I had this like
huge crush on like all the serial killers and the
slatter films. So I've just always sort of leaned that way.
You know, I was raised in a very witchy environment.

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I was raised by a witch. So for me, the
default has always been you know, graveyards and magic and
the forest, and I think things that I've always felt
very very comfortable in and you know, carving names and
candles and herbal magic, all of those things were just

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sort of part of the.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
The lexicon of my childhood.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
So I don't even think I considered that particularly dark
until I, you know, until probably I was like an
older teenager, and then I met some like minded people
who also were sort of into the dark in the
macabre and the occult, and it was just like, oh, Okay,
these are these are my people. Okay, get it. But

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there's just this sort of like backdrop to my early
childhood that you know. I mean, it wasn't full Adam's family,
but there were elements of it that were so Yeah.
So then I've just always it's just it's just interesting
to me. And also, you know, I just like, I
don't know, love and light gets boring. Let's be honest,

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it sounds hollow after a while.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's just like, let's do a little uh cursing, a
little hex saying, let's.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Get a little revenge once in a while. I mean,
you're with me, like, come.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
On, you gotta be kidding me, gotta be kidding me.
My goodness, you are a dark heart, that is for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, just a little bit bit of revenge. There, a
little bit of you know, which is dust over here?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, by wrong, be honest.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
How many packs of I of Newt do you have
in your house?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Listen?

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I have Newt is a sort of a misnomer for
an ingredient that is probably very innoculous, like buttercup or something.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
So I have supplies. I have what I need. I actually,
I'll tell you a funny story.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I was I was in the post office this morning.
I was so proud of myself because I had I
had like four different things that I had to send
in four different ways. And so I got up early, early,
and I went to the post office while there was
no line, and there's this wonderful woman who was super
patiently helping me, and we were just chatting and she

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was saying how her birthday is, like, you know, a
couple of days before Halloween, and I this great time
to have a birthday because you know, you get to
basically have a.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Costume party every year.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
And she said, oh no, my mom was like, you
can have a party or go trick or treating. And
I was like, yeah, well, you know, now you're a
grown up and you can do what you want and
you can have both. I'm having a party and I
just and I was like, you know, it's Friday.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I got teenagers. There'll be trick or treaters, a.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Lot of bonfire, maybe a little ritual sacrifice.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
And I didn't realize there were like four people behind
me in line. She and I were having this great
banter and then I go, oh, whoops, I mean I
mean wishes.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
We're all gonna make wishes on the fire, like cool.
Varla play cool.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
What's a little sacrifice among the coven, right.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Little ritual sacrifice?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Exactly, No, No, well, we do. Actually that is something
that I always do. And because we're having friends over,
I'm going to force them also to participate in this ritual.
But I do always have I trade it.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
You know, technically it's the Witch's new year, sing is
the is the Witch's new year.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
It's the end of the cycle, and so.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's a good time to manifest what you want going
into the next year. So I usually have candles on
hand for people to like light or you know, carve
something in and light just like Loe's little They.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Call them chime candles. They's smell candles.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
I always have a few of those on hand, and
I'm making some little bundles from some herbs from my garden,
and then I just like have these pieces of paper
and eve a bonfire and it's like write whatever you
want on there, like whatever you want to have, more of,
whatever you want to let go of. No one's going
to see it. I'm not going to read it. Just
throw it in the fire and burn it and let

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it go. So I always kind of cajole my guests
into ritual magic when they're not expecting it.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
One of the fun things about a party at my house.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I love it. I absolutely love it. One of the
things that you have been investigating lately, and we're going
to get into it in the next half hour. But
that's the tie between were wolves and dog Man and
all sorts of strange.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I have been on a were wolf bender, a bender like.
I have been heavily, heavily into some werewolf stuff this
last i'd say the last like two months, like a bender,
like up all night, like can't stop reading it.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Crazy research. Yeah, so ask me anything about were wolves.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
We're going to get into that. But your favorite your
favorite dark cryptid character, who is it or what is it?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Well, you know it's evolved, it's evolved, Okay, So I
freaking love pukahs, Like I think pukas are just so fascinating.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Because a.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Shape shifting trickster faery basically often appears as a horse
or a giant rabbit like Harvey in the movie with
Jimmy Stewart, and they prey on unreliable narrators. So they
prey on the town drunk or the person who's kind

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of on the outskirts of society that that's not going
to believe there that they ran into a puka, a
talking rabbit or whatever. So I really like pukah's because
they kind of they just mess with you. They're not
really like mean or anything, they just kind of mess
with you, and then they make you realize that you
are so on the wrong path, like you should not

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have taken that that path by the see and stayed
out so late. So I love pukahs. Super fascinated by banshees.
They might be like probably my favorite kind of supernatural creature.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
There's so many layers to them.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Like first you hear about a banshee and you think
of the scream you hear, like the bansheese scream, and
the banshee scream is indicative of somebody's.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Death or grave illness, but usually death. And then the.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Banshee herself it's it's you know, the name means fairy
woman or of the fairy mound, woman of the fairy mound,
and she really kind of like literally floats between the
idea concept of a ghost and the concept of like
a fairy or a supernatural creature, and I find that

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very interesting. Then there's counterparts around the world that are
sort of banshee like, Like they wouldn't necessarily be called
banshie because they're called something else.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
But they're warning.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Doss that, you know, let you know that somebody is
gonna die or somebody's very ill.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
The banshee.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
If you see the banshee that she's often like either
sort of a young, beautiful woman or like a harmless
looking older woman, both of which completely transform and start,
you know, screaming with their giant gaping mouth.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Then scare you. But they're not.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
They're just hard, you know, they're just sort of like
psychopomps right where they're just like letting you know, or
they're harbingers, not really psychopops because they're not really guiding
you into the next world. They're just letting you know,
warning from the other side. Someone's gonna die, so say
you're goodbyes and tell me you love them. You know,
we should be so lucky, actually, but we should be

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so lucky to actually have enough warning to know that.
I mean, how many times has it been the opposite
where death has come so unexpectedly? Oh, there's something kind
of peaceful in that thought, I think, so Banchie's and then.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Again, just like I said totally on a.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Were wolf fender lately, Well, when we get back from
the break here at the bottom of the hour, we
are going to get in to wear wolves because you
have actually something creepy to share with us.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Oh yes, oh yes, I need to grab that book.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Actually, yeah, And when you told me about this, I
was like, oh my god, that, yeah is creepy and
I cannot wait for you to share that with our audience.
The fact that you delve into these topics. Do you
ever have any paranormal activity at your own home that

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seems to follow these thoughts?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Good question.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't have a lot of paranormal activity in this house,
and I never have.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I've lived here for about nine years. There is I have.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
I have had a lot of intense dreams about a
specific area in the house, but I've never like I've
never had that actual experience or felt creeped out in
that area, just only in like this dream state. But
nearby areas are around the house, Yes, I but like,

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do I have an increase in it? The thing is is, Dave,
I'm just doing this all the time. This is just
my life. I'm always thinking about these things. I'm always
researching these things. I'm always looking for these things, so
it doesn't like increase or decrease the activity. I think that,

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you know, probably the lunar cycle has more to do
with it than anything else. But I've been in places,
you know, I was just somewhere where I was, you know,
trying to write for a couple of days when I
was on my my last like book tour, and uh
definitely had like you know, it was like one of

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those houses, like an airbn beat house and it was
kind of like what's you know, there's like rooms upstairs
that you don't use and stuff like that. So I
had there were there were definitely some like strange there's
some strange activity, but honestly, like I welcome in.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I'm just like whatever, yeah, that would fit, that would
fit great with this.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I have had little like trickster fairy steel chunks of
my manuscript and things like that, so that I'm a
little more cautious about.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
How do you know?

Speaker 8 (23:41):
It was.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (23:44):
So I was this was when I was writing Fairies,
Pukas and change things. So that was uh what four
years ago, five years ago, six years ago, seven years ago,
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Ten years ago. I don't know I was I was writing.
I was working on it here.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I know I had already moved, and I was writing
specifically about the connection between like what people think of.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
As like brownies or like kind of like.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Domesticated fairies, like hobgoblins and things that are a little
bit of tricksters but actually live harmoniously.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Barlaventura dot Net is her website. You can find any
of her books at any major book star. We're going
to find out about the change links, stealing your script
and were wolves next on the Mighty SR.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
All right, we're clear, Okay, I have to find the
book that I have all the notes.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's the one you wanted to talk about.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, I just I know it's right here, just remembering
where it is.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Good question, Jules. I will get to that an hour two.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
Where is that book?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
What did I do with it? I took it somewhere
with me.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
That's why I can't find it, because I brought it
with me, because it's full of my notes.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Okay, give me in secure. I'm gonna find it, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Doesn't it just feel like something's right now that Varla's back?
Does it just feel like it's right. M hm, where'd
my screen go? Hold on, let's fix that.

Speaker 10 (26:08):
O mhm, huh you found it, My bood found it.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I gotta close my window a little bit.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
Mm.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Guy.

Speaker 11 (26:51):
Yeah, hey, oh my gosh, so many fun things here.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
Perfect.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
M This is like my book that I put.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
All my notes when I do hawks, because I don't
like to have like I don't know, I don't like cards,
note cards, and I don't like notes in my slides,
so I literally like write them out and put them

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into like an old ledger.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is that too annoying for you? What big foot leg?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, No, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I'm used like pulsating.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's totally pulsating. But that's better.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Do you want green or do you want red?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Oh? Red?

Speaker 12 (28:30):
Or blue or blue?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Blue's nice soothing and it goes with the the chat color.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
You know. It's funny. Is my ceiling is blue? It
is if you ever want a nice paint combination, So
this this is Kooniak colored. And then my my ceiling
is blueberry blue.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh interesting, great color. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Well remember my my the Midnight Magic Room, my old
office which is now my son's bedroom. Huh, that's like
this beautiful it's this beautiful shade of blue.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Call. It was actually called blue velvet. Oh and it
was a super dark blue. That was just I got
it glossy and.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
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are you? Jarens Jarance? Just like saying Jarence.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Who doesn't exactly Darnce.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
We got twenty seventh Secondkins. Thank you to Kafuna and
Kitty for our super chats tonight. We appreciate your love
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Speaker 3 (30:21):
Clapping right there. Sorry, I should have joined in to
support you.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
My second half hour of spaced Out Radio is dow
under Way. Good to have you with us. My name

(30:49):
is Dave Scott. Our guest is Varla Ventura. This show
is called Our Cryptid World, and we're glad to be
here with you. Tonight. We're gonna get into were wolves
here moment fairly. But first we want to remind all
of you that if you missed portions of this show,
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(31:12):
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Travelers Club. Here's Varla Ventura. Varla Ventura dot net is
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in any major bookstore. And Varla always talks about the dark,
the deep, and the more interesting side of the cryptid world,
and that's why we love her around here. Varla, welcome back,
Thank you, beautiful to.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Have you gran nice break we had. That was good
to be back.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Right before the break, you were talking about how these
pookahs and changelings were stealing manuscripts from your desk.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Oh yeah, no, actually it was like hobgoblins. So I
was writing this section in the manuscript, and this was like,
I don't I just I don't know if all writers
are like this, but I'm like this, it's always no
matter what deadline I have, no matter how much time
I have, it's always like this late night, sweaty, staying

(32:32):
up too much, barely sleeping, push at the end.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Like it's just it's really intense.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
So I was in that mode, and I was probably
like four days past my manuscript to date, knowing me
and I had written, but I was I had just
like kind of figured something out, Like that's just kind
of what happens. Like you figure all this stuff out
at the last minute and then you have to like
figure out how to work it into your manuscript. And

(33:00):
so I had seen all of these parallels between basically
like some sort of like poltergeist activity and or what
we would call poltergeist activity and some of these like
domestic fairies that were like not treated well and so
they would retaliate by like moving stuff or taking stuff

(33:21):
or scratching you.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Anyway, I was just reading.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Through all of this, and I had this whole section
that I had just added because I was like, this
has to go in there. And the next day when
I went to, you know, do one final pass of
the manuscript, it was gone. The whole section was gone.
And so I mean, yes, I was under the gun
and stressed, and I could have like erased it.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
But I'm pretty good.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
With you know, Microsoft word, and I know all the
tricks and all the versions and all the recovery things,
and I could not recover that section. So I was
forced to rewrite it. I always think however I depicted
them was not good enough, and I was sort of forced.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
To like retell the story. So that's that.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
That has not really ever happened to me before, where
a whole chunk of my manuscript has just been stolen away.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
But it happened.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
And I, you know, who am I to argue, like,
I'm not gonna I'm not the one who's gonna be
saying it wasn't the hob goblins, right right, I'm the
mermaid lady, Like, come.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
On, no kidding, no kidding, All right, let's get to
wear wolves here. Okay, you believe were wolves are actually
out there?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, I think I think were wolves are out there.
Mm hmm, definitely. I think.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
I think we have some misunderstandings about what a were
wolf is and what a were wolf isn't and how
you become a were wolf. So that's something I've been
diving kind of deeply into. You know, we certainly have
like sort of a romanticized idea of a were.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Wolf who.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I don't know, somehow we think they're like bitten or
there's some kind of like curse imposed upon them and
then they are forced to transform, but they don't really
want to. So that's one version of the were wolf.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
There are actually a lot.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Of examples, you know, going back to medieval times and
even earlier, far earlier in.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Indigenous America, like thousands of years, where.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
You have wolves as helpers and wolves as teachers, and
wolves as sort of guardians and.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Guides for humans.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
And you know, these wolves are wolves that can communicate
with humans and walk upright, So essentially they're.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Sort of a version of a were wolf.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
So there's there's like quite a bit of literature on that,
and that's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
But the thing that I have come.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
To understand is that there are more ways to become
a werewolf than you would think. Okay, so like how
do you become a vampire. There's one way to become
a vampire, right, you get bit by another vampire. That's
that's the only way. There's there's no other I mean,

(36:31):
am I wrong? I don't think there's any other way
to become a vampire. I mean you could, you could
live the lifestyle, and you could like, you know, be
an energy vampire, and you can go like all the
way being a psychic vampire and a living vampire, and you.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Can do blood play all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
But the only way to become a true vampire is
to be bit by another vampire, to my knowledge, as
far as I know, right, So, I think I just
always had this like, well, you just you just become.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
A were wolf, like you're just a were wolf.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Like there's ties to you know, rituals and things like that,
but it's just sort of a thing that you don't
have any choice over.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
And oh, man, was I wrong? I was so wrong.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
There are so many ways that you can become a
were wolf willingly. In fact, a remarkable number of ways
that you can become a werewolf willingly and a few unwillingly.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't even understand how that works.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Well, I have actual, very specific examples for you. So
first of all, before you get into like how you
would become a werewolf, you know, to go through like
a ceremony, you kind of have to think about a
couple of different aspects of like werewolf and culture. And

(37:56):
so there was a man who gathered a lot of
werewolf stories in the mid eighteen hundreds. He was a
reverend in England and he traveled all over He traveled
to Scandinavia and Finland and Russia and throughout you know,
Europe and Eastern Europe and gathering these stories about were wolves.

(38:18):
And he also spent a lot he was a reverend
of songwriter, is a very interesting character, but he spent
a lot of time like contemplating what these things meant
to Like, I think because he was a sort of
a philosopher at heart.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
He wasn't enough for him to just record the stories.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
He wanted to find the reasoning behind it, or the
psychological reasoning behind it in some cases.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
But one of the.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Things that he says that is actually quite disturbing and
quite accurate, and it's I should just read his quote
because it's that disturbing.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
But he kind of.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Talks about how like all humans have this capacity to
become a way like it's actually possible because we have
We're talking about revenge earlier, Like that's one of the
things that you know, you can kind of find yourself
I guess just seeing red or getting so angry about

(39:19):
something that you kind of you kind of lose it, right.
So he talks about that, and he also talks about
like some hormonal things that happen, and he talks about
natural causes of like anthropy, which includes people genuinely changing
at least believing that they're wear wolves. I mean, it's
a medical it's a medical diagnosis. You believe that you're

(39:41):
a were wolf in every full moon, you just like
completely go crazy. So, but he also talks about the
the evil man, evil, humankind, whatever, and that the evil
who are of like weak in will are susceptible to

(40:05):
becoming transformed into a werewolf. And he basically says, like
he talks about murderers, egregious acts of cannibalism, serial killers,
and he basically he says, I'm going to read you
this quote because it's dark.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
He writes, Okay, the cases in.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Which bloodthirstiness and cannibalism are united with insanity are those
which properly fall under the head of licanthropy. A disordered
condition of mind or body may produce hallucination in a
form depending on the character and instincts of the individual. Thus,
an ambitious man laboring under monomania will imagine himself to

(40:48):
be a king. A covetous man will be plunged in despair,
believing himself to be penniless, or exult at the vastness
of the treasure which he imagines that he has discovered.
In like manner, the naturally cruel man, if the least
affected in his brain, will suppose himself to be transformed

(41:11):
into the most cruel and bloodthirsty animal with which he
is acquainted.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
In other words, he's saying that.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
If you're already cruel, and you're already kind of ready,
you're that combination of cruel and delusional, you will transform
into the most evil thing that is in your society
at the time.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
And so during the sixteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
In fifteen, fourteen, fifteen and sixteen hundreds especially, but sixteen
hundreds in particular throughout Europe.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
That's where it was all about werewolves.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
It's like you, we might be accused of being a
vampire or a witch more likely, but were wolves were
greatly feared, and there's a great number of stories that
have evolved.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
From that time.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
So that's that's one thing to think about, right, Like, Okay,
that's sort of like I like to put that in
the category of like accident not accidental. You've got deliberate,
you know, deliberately going after the transformation into into a werewolf,

(42:33):
and then you've got sort of the oops, I'm just
like a really bad person and I went on a rampage.
So you know, it's like passive like passivecothrophy.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
We got like passive licothropy. So that's that's one thing,
just kind of on the like you know, the deeper
end of it.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
And then of course we do know that it's a
common cultural practice around the world to don animal skins
and do rituals and put yourself into the mindset of
an animal like a wolf. Wolves in particular, you know,

(43:18):
they teach you to hunt their fears that you know,
it's they're survivalists, so it makes sense that you would
want to embody that.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
So it said like the berserkers in.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Norse and Norse culture, the berserkers were the ones that's
where we get the word berserk. They were the ones
that would like just work themselves into a frenzy. In
some cases they might consume like anthropic substances, but they
would work themselves into this frenzy before they would go

(43:53):
into battle, and they would actually like believe that they
had shape shifted into either a were wolf or a
were bear and this was all part of the transformation,
and they would go into battle with this like fierceness,
you know, just like completely kind of fearlessness and fierceness

(44:13):
because they had embodied the beast.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
So those are a couple.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Aspects of like, okay, that's like a very specific way
to become a werewolf and to shape shift, but also
for a very specific purpose.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
So I was aware of those. I mean, I think
a lot of.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
People know that that that aspect of Nordic culture and
an indigenous culture, that there's the use of animals to
sort of embody what's and connect with nature and get
guidance from that and figure out how the hell you're
going to make it through the you know, the winter.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
Why wout somebody?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Why would somebody want to do this? Oh?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Now, come on, that's like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Like I mean, if he kind of you don't think
it'd be kind of cool to be a were wolf.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You know, I really don't, no offense, I mean, I
could think I can understand wanting to be I can
understand wanting to be a.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Vampire woods with no with not feeling any cold, with
nothing but the light of the moon and the wind
rushing down your back.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I want to do that.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I have a hair.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Okay, pack your pack.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
You know, you're just running with your besties, howling and
tearing apart some some fresh meats.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Sounds great.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I did that in my bar star days, right, But
that was enough for that.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
So there's there's more though, Okay, there's more ways to
become a were wolf.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I'm not even gonna.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Actually go through all of them because there's a lot
of them, but I want to go through a couple
I think you'll appreciate.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
And then there's some very deliberate things.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
So just keep me on top of time here because.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
We have eight minutes.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Okay, Well, we won't get to the actual chanting until
after the break then, Okay, I mean there's just we
can't rush that.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
We mustn't rush that. Okay. So there's another character.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
That I just want to introduce to you, and that's
a guy named Elliott O'Donnell. Now, if you've read My
Banshee's Werewolves in Vampires book or My Fairy Pook, hasn't
changed things, but especially in Banshee's were Wolves and Vampires,
he is heavily referenced in that. That is when I
met and fell in love with Elliot O'Donnell. He is

(46:46):
an incredible writer, was an incredible writer.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
He I think was born in the late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
He lived till nineteen fifty or so.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It was a pretty prolific writer.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
But he's really what and why I like, especially Space
Out Radio Crew will appreciate him is that he unlike
so many of those writers you know, they were they
were sort of like part writers, part anthropologists.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
They were gathering stories.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
William Butler Yeats is one of them. The Grim Brothers
were doing this. Like I said, Sabine Bearing Gould was
the man who wrote this giant book of were wolves
that I quoted from. So people were gathering those things,
but they they always had like there's a there's a

(47:40):
bias in there. You can feel it. You can feel
this bias. It's not always like a bias like, oh,
this is stupid, but there's a bias of like, I'm
not sure if this is this is true, so I'm
going to change the story a little bit to make
it more plausible.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
You can see that in the retellings.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Not so with Elliott O'Donnell, because Elliott O'Donnell had a
family banshee. Elliott O'Donnell grew up in a haunted house
and he talks about it in.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
His book of Ghosts, which I have a copy of.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
And he's also this amazing writer, and he's sort of
he's got a love crafty and element to his writing,
and I never really noticed how deep and dark he
gets until I was rereading his Book of Werewolves. So

(48:33):
he wrote a book called the Book of Werewolves in
nineteen twelve, and I had.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
I had read that and actually excerpted from it.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
But what I was doing is I was trying to
identify He names a bunch of plants.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
In there, but just like by description.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
So I took it upon myself to try and figure
out what these plants were based on where he was
collecting the stories from and his description and try to
figure out, like, Okay, what's you know what's poisonous, what
would be something that would be considered psychotropic, that might
put you into like a frenzied state where you think

(49:11):
you're transforming into werewolf, all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
So I had a lot of fun doing that.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
And while I was doing that, I discovered I think
there are five in total in the book, actual spells
for becoming a Werewolf, full on rituals, right down to
the size of the circle that you need, like exactly
like you would find in like you know, an necronomicon

(49:38):
or some kind of like like it's almost out of
out of a novel. But he had and what he
has done is because he came at everything with a
believer's point of view or less of a skeptics point
of view. He doesn't change people's stories. He's a beautiful writer,
and he knows how to record them, but he doesn't

(50:00):
inject his own agenda onto the stories. And I think
it gives them this added level of authenticity and just
you know, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
It's just it's.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Really good writing, which is hard to find, especially from
you know, turn of the century. A lot of that
stuff is just so dry and there's so many extra words,
and this guy is like, there's a lot of extra words,
but I.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Wouldn't even call him extra.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
You know, the words just kind of like they just
kind of drip out of your mouth.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
They're quite beautiful.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
So there are multiple, multiple rituals. We'll get into one
of those rituals after the break, but a couple quick ways.
If you want to attract a wear wolf, or you're
doing a ceremony to try and like embody a were wolf,
rubies are your best bet. Wear rubies, bring rubies with

(50:54):
you in your pocket. Apparently wear wolves like rubies another
way to become aware wolf.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
And there was conflicting information on this elie.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Donald even said, I've heard three different versions of this.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
You make a basically you make like a girdle, like
a corset. Now. One of them said to make a
corset of human skin, yeah right.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Another one said, I know if we're gonna get booted
off the art, but it's almost Halloween. The other one
said to get make a corset of wolf skin, which
makes a lot more sense, right, And then the third
one was talking about like the berserkers using either a
wolf or bear skin and you but but the thing
is is it's a skin to skin thing. It's not

(51:42):
like you're just wearing it like a fur coat. It's
actually making like this thing that wraps around your stomach
and like.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Connects to your skin and like connects to your tour.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
So so that's kind of intense. But that's that's one
of the ways.

Speaker 13 (51:58):
And then another way, and this is sort of like
I would call this, I guess I would call this
passive or maybe more submissive, is to be repeatedly slapped
in the face with a wolfskin glove.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So that's that's a way that you two can become
a were wolf. So that's that's that was a funny one.
I thought.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
No, it wasn't clear if the person wearing the wolfskin
glove was a were wolf for why they were slapping you.
But you had to be slapped repeatedly in the face
with a wolf skin glove.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I know that it doesn't sound like it would do anything.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Well, I mean it would probably hurt.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I don't know how how how often are you going
to find a wolfskin glove? I mean, this is an
object with great reverence and ritual and magical power.

Speaker 10 (52:59):
So.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
You know, just to even procure one would be a
great feat just not you know, it's not something as
lambskin gloves, but the wolf skin gloves. So yeah, so
you got that, the fact that it's kind of a
ritual object, and then.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I don't know, the shock of it, not really sure.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I'm just just reporting, just reporting the facts.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
And then an additional way to.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Become a were wolf, sort of inadvertently or deliberately, is
to drink from a lycanthropic stream or eat a lycanthropic plant.
So you might eat chew on a little aconite, a
little wolf spain. There's a few other plants out there.
There's some mushrooms that O'Donnell calls them flowers, but I'm

(53:58):
fairly confident they're mushrooms.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I mean, you know, based on his descriptions. So those
are ways.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Also, the licanthrope extremes are fabulous. These are like sort
of enchanted streams that horses don't like to cross over
and dogs run away from. And these are streams that
can one sip transform you. And oh, by the way,
it's not like an instant transformation like in Team Wolf, right,

(54:28):
Like that's the thing we think about is just like
all of a sudden, he's bursting out of his shirt.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's it's an extended period of time, Barla.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I'm gonna we're going to continue this conversation because I
have so many questions, so many questions for you. Barlaventura.
Dot Net is her website. You'll find all of her
books at any major bookstore. This is our Cryptid World,
the Halloween edition with the double V. Bar Laventura.

Speaker 14 (55:00):
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Faced down, break Hewn with Hopes, Dave Scott. All right,
we are clear, Varlet. We're gonna take a quick break here.
I'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Okay, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
All right, you're right back, right back, everybody, uta.

Speaker 14 (57:51):
Us alight.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Davy's back again. I got a case of the sniffles today. Yeah,
that's what happens when it starts. Get cold out, Ozzie,
Boss Tiger, how are you. Let's see Varla ready to

(01:00:20):
come back in. Probably Let's bring Varla in when she's
ready to turn her camera on, probably redoing her makeup.
There she is, excuse me, one second, There we go, Varley.

(01:00:49):
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(01:02:22):
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(01:02:44):
cryptid world. Varla, how are you great? We're talking about words?

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Sorry, everyone wants to know this. Are those real words?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Are they the password?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah? Yes, the real words, right, yes, actually mean real things. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So tonight's password to Senda means things not to be mentioned.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Oh, yes, lots of those.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yes, things not to be mentioned. And we thank the
clam each and every night for these passwords. Now, the
question is what's the password for? Exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
No, we don't ask that question. If you have to
ask that question, you don't need the password.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, what's the password for exactly? That's what it is.
And never use the password unwisely.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Yeah, don't be abusive to the password. Absolutely, misuse the password.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Absolutely. You never want to, never want to. Okay. Right
before the break, you were talking about people who want
to become were wolves and you're giving from a book
or some don'tes that? How that? People can?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
You do? Have lots of questions? Well, wait, do we
forget about the slapping thing. Okay, so we've moved on
from that, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Wolf skin was kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I don't know, I feel like it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
I feel pretty good, like in reality, not advocating doing
it and just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
It'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
So okay, are we ready to like get into Okay, well,
let's let's just just briefly let's talk about lycanthropic streams,
because I do want people to be able to recognize
the licanthrope extreme if they come upon one. And there's
a beautiful description here of what a licanthrope extreme is,
so you know you need to know it's I mean,

(01:04:54):
I could give you the basics, right like, I think
at this point I could recognize a licanthrope extreme if
I came upon one. But I really want to favor
you with this beautiful description. Bcanthropis water Again, this is
Eliot O'Donnell's writing. Bcanthropis water is said by those who
dwell near to it to differ from other water in

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subtle details, only details that would, in all probability escape
the notice of all who were not connoisseurs of the superphysical.
I feel like that's our new that's to be our
new thing. We are connoisewers of the superphysical. A strange,
faint odor comparable with nothing distinguishes licanth lycanthropis water. There

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is a lurid sparkle in it, strongly suggestive of some
peculiar individual life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
The noise it makes as it rushes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Along so closely resembles the muttering and whispering of human
voices as to be often mistaken for them. Else At night,
it sometimes utters piercing screams.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And howls and groans.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
In such a manner as to terrify all who pass
by it. Dogs and horses in particular are susceptible to
its influence, and they exhibit the greatest signs of terror
at the mirror sound of it. Now we can go
logic here, right, we can be like, yeah, like a
tript extreme.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
It is probably full of like brain eating amivas.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
So you drink that water that has a lurid sparkle
to it, and the next thing you know, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Losing your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Brain eating amibas literally eat your brain and make you
hallucinate and think that you're like something that you're not right.
So sure we could go we could go the scientific route.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
We could go wherever you want to go with it.
But I mean for a lot of people out there,
they're probably listening like, really this is real.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Well, brain eaten amibas are ill? Yes, yeah, So that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Like, this is this is an idea that there's a
licanthropic extreme. I mean, it's a fine line between what
you could explain away scientifically, and especially because you're talking
about you know, this is two hundred years ago or earlier,
when people were wandering about. This is this great story

(01:07:26):
of this, This is great story of this constable and
his wife who go into this village and this town
in Germany, and as they're crossing in that she notices
the dogs won't drink from the stream and the horses
won't drink from the stream. But she's so thirsty she
drinks from the stream anyway. And she gets into town

(01:07:51):
and the innkeeper starts talking about how, oh, you shouldn't
have had anything.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
From that stream. That's a licanthropic extreme. She gets really sick, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
The husband is like, stop talking about the super physical whatever,
like stop putting these ideas into her head.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
But she's really sick.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
She's sick for like months, and she's just like getting
weaker and weaker and so funny. He gets her home
and the doctor says, oh, well, you have to sleep separately.
You can't sleep in the same room, like she needs
her rest, right, and so so he jesus, God, I
don't really want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I want to keep an eye on her. No, no,
you need to leave her alone. So he leaves her alone.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Well, she's slow and behold, you know, there's just people
and children going missing in the village at the same time,
and she's sneaking out at night. Well, it turns out,
you know, he goes and he sees this like werewolf
that's been terrorizing the village, and he shoots her, but.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
He doesn't know it's her.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
He just shoots the were wolf and when he goes
over to it, he sees the face transform.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Into that of his wife, and she says to him,
why did you let me drink the water?

Speaker 10 (01:09:08):
That's like literally.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Drink his fault, right of course.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
So okay, so licanthropic extremes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
And the reason I bring that up is because there
are some rituals that are most of the rituals that
that I have are involve plants and chanting and stuff.
But there's this one that does involve some plants and
involves certain ingredients and you throw them into a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
A boiling cauldron and all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
But you also have to like strike your head on
the river bank three times, dunk your head, taking gulps
of water three times in a row from a micanthropist
body of water. And and then you say, like, weird stuff.
You have this whole it's a it's like a really

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long chant actually, and then you know, within twenty four
to seventy two hours, you start feeling the effects.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
And what are those effects? What happens? How do you change?

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Okay, so I think you probably get some things like
you just like you know, first you're just like feeling
off right, like things don't quite look right, like you
know when you have like a fever, like the world
doesn't quite like your vision doesn't quite settle right. So
you start out with like some very mild symptoms like
that like fever, maybe nausea. Often people will get rashes

(01:10:47):
or just like really really itchy skin and and just
kind of like general confusion. And interestingly, like with a
lot of the plants like wolf Spain, for example, consumption
of wolf spain will cause all of those symptoms, so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
It will lead to like confusion and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Vomiting and you know kind of and then eventually hallucination,
so you kind of like hallucinate. So then also you're transforming,
I think physically, and so you're transforming metaphysically and physically,
and I think that that is probably what is the
most fascinating about were wolves and the thing that we

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can't quite wrap our mind around.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
If I want to be a witch and I want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
To be a witch of a certain delineation, I mean,
I could just just be a witch, right. I can
go through rituals, I can be initiated into a certain coven,
but I don't have to go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Through any kind of physical transformation.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Vampire, you're just like boom, instantly undead, right, and like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Immediately have beautiful clothing, I presume.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
But the were wolf transformation, it's it's slower, and then
it's not a permanent transformation. It's a shape shifter transformation.
It's the ability to become.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
A wolf and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
You're you're literally half man half wolf, Like that's what
where wolf means, it means man wolf. So it's interesting
because you're sort of choosing a path of a creature.
That would be if you were choosing this, like if
you're actually going to go through the ritual whatever, like
you're choosing the path of great power, but also a

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lot of like ostracizing and separation from society and a
lot of fear.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
But with that, you know, at the cost of that,
you would gain.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
You know, the the knowledge of the wolf and the
imordial darkness that exists in every forest.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
It would gain access to that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Are there a lot of people who are trying this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Well, let's see if I've started a trend.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
I don't think so, but you know I've been I've
been trying to put this out there. So yeah, if
there's suddenly a rash of werewolves in Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
That's I will I will own some of that for sure. No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
But what I'm saying is, you know, like if you
take the vampire groups, they're always trying to they always
have new people Kubbigadian wanting to become vampires or play
the let's call it play the role of vampires.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Yeah, if we look at let's let's look at let's
look at vampires in like a more of a magical sense,
like there's a vampire cult as there is a witch cult,
right where you could become initiated into a vampire coven essentially, right,
So yeah, and embracing that lifestyle and dressing the part.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
But this sounds a lot more real.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
I know, I know, it's very Excuse me, it's a
very This is why it's been kind of startling for
me and why I'm even bringing it up is that
it's just there's just a lot more to it than
just like, hey, where wolves let's you know, hey, let's
just like howl at the moon, Like there's there's all

(01:14:33):
of these other implications.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
To why someone might want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
That, Were people actually doing that, Will people try this
and try and do this, and what will happen coupled
with you know, what part of that is just misunderstanding
of history and science and medicine, and what part of
that is ancient knowledge that was used for specific purpose

(01:14:59):
to do that transformation?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
But then you know, to come back so.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
And I think probably the most startling thing for me
was just how many rituals were out there to try
to deliberately transform into a werewolf in the in a
manner in which you might be trying to tap into
some kind of like great divine energy or like this

(01:15:29):
is what I'm talking about. Why it's like Lovecraft, right,
because as problematic as Lovecraft can be, there's there's this
idea of this like great sort of primordial darkness, you know,
gods that live in the mountains. Like there's just there's
this kind of like underlying darkness to the world and

(01:15:52):
if you tap into it, if you're ready and you
know what you're doing, and you tap into it, it
can be a source of great power. And these werewolf
this this approach to ritual rituals to become a werewolf
echoes that in a and in quite quite a way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
So are we ready for that? You know, it'd be
super cool.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
What we should have done is I should have given
you the words and then we could have put them
up on the screen and everyone could chant along with us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Are you ready to like, do you want to become
a werewolf?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Do I want to become a werewolf? Not at all
at all. I know I'm good with where I am
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
But I mean, listen, I think were wolves and sasquatch
are like really good friends.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
What do you think the werewolf and dog man tie is.
I mean, there seems to be a lot of people
who are you know, think that they could be some
sort of relative or maybe we're not even seeing dog
men who were actually seeing werewolves.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
I think they're very I think they're very similar, if
not the same creature.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I think one thing that I've learned in like all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Of the years of researching folklore is the parallels between
things that are like it's an exact same description but
a different name, again and again and again like that
that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I've talked with you about this before. There's this whole.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
There's this whole illustration of a puka in a shape
shifting trickster fairy. There's an illustration and old book from
the early eighteen hundreds. It's a book of Welsh fairy
and folklore. And the sketch is it looks like a

(01:17:52):
little gray like it totally looks like a weird little
alien thing. The image of it that the you know,
was submitted to the author by the person who had
encountered it. They did a little sketch of it, and
it looks like a little like it. It literally has
big eyes and a round head and it's sitting on
a rock and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
It doesn't really have feet. It's very strange, very strange
little creature. So my point being that I have seen
so many.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Parallels that and with the you know, amalgamation of different
languages and translations and cultural differences, I think we may
be describing the same thing with different words, you know,
the same thing that was around thousands of years ago.

(01:18:43):
So with dog man, I mean, I think it's kind
of the same thing. It's like there's always been actually,
like so there's more than just were wolves, right, There's
where dolphins wear sharks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
There's where bears, there's uh, you know, where deer like
all there's there's like all kinds of meaning like man and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Beast man and beast hybrids basically, and you know dogs wolves.
Dogs are evolved from wolves and they're basically the domesticated version.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
So if you remember that quote.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
That you like, if if if somebody is of that
mindset that they will become the thing, the most horrific
thing that to which they are acquainted, then perhaps that's
why you're seeing dog man more than wolf man, right, Like,
I don't know, so I have some I have some

(01:19:43):
theories about that, but I kind of think there it's
it's the same idea, right, it's a shape shifter. I
know we've talked about this before. And see, here's the
tricky thing is that people have dog man sightings and like,
so back in the day, a were wolf sighting was
usually just a wolf and then you got some evidence

(01:20:07):
the next day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Great example, there's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
A story from like fifteen eighty of this were wolf
that's attacking a village somewhere in like Austria, and the
guy is able to like one of the men cuts
the paw off of the wolf, and the wolf actually
takes off.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
They manages to get the wolf.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
The wolf's paw always can prove it that's got some power.
He puts it in a pouch and the next day
when he opens the pouch, he takes it out and
it's a lady's hand full of rings, and he knows
it's like some aristocratic lady. And so they just go
house to house and find the lady with the missing
hand and arrest her and of course, you know, burn

(01:20:53):
her the sake for being.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
A were wolf.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
So that was the evidence then that a person would
shift back and forth. I don't know what the evidence
now would be, Like, who's gonna like, is anybody claiming
to be a dog man? People are claiming to see
dog man, but people aren't claiming to be dog man, right, Like,

(01:21:17):
I feel like you where wolves are just in their
own category that or where anything you know where dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
That the the idea that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
We can change, we could really shape shift and we
could really change our you know, appearance to that extent
with the use of you know, whatever lycanthropic substances we need,
or the ritual frenzy. That it's just a very different
concept than you know, hexting someone or or you know,

(01:21:55):
you're following protocol when you're doing rituals. But it's just
it's a very different category and there's something like primordial
and really sacred about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
So but are they we get with two minutes to go,
here are these people who are doing this? Are Are
they hoping to howl at the full moon? Are they?
Are they shape shifting into full moon into these creatures,
but are walking as humans during the rest of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
So listen, I have no evidence that a large number
of people have actually done this. What I have is
the rituals from Eliot O'Donnell and his fascination with it.
The giant book from the Being bearing Gold and my
own fascination with it. But are were people widely trying

(01:22:47):
to do this? No, I think it was a small,
small group of people. But those are the same people
that wanted to learn how to you know, wanted to
learn alchemy and wanted to learn the secrets of the universe.
Totally fits in with the Medici crowd actually same era really,

(01:23:08):
so I think it wasn't as common as just trying
to like get some general wizardry powers, right. It was like, okay,
this is another level of commitment, probably for someone who
likes to be alone in the woods a lot. So
I don't know what the mindset would be. I'm you know,
I'm following the thread myself right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
How did how did you come across this? Because we
got about a minute ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah, so this this is a book that I had
read before.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
It's it's by Elied O'Donnell nineteen twelve, and I was
putting together a talk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Actually there's I did it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
I have a talk coming up this weekend at the
Ancestral Pathways conference and it's all about ways the you know,
ways to become a were wolf wolf Spain and lecanthropic
streams and all that good stuff, And so I was
working on that talk, and then I also had this
botany of were wolves, which is in vampires that I

(01:24:06):
was working on as a talk that was kind of
a spin off from Enchanted Plant. So some of the
stuff I had read years ago when I was researching
were wolves, but I just gave it more time, okay, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
I found more things.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Let's hold right there because we are going to go
to break. At the bottom of the hour, we have
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Her website Varlaventura dot net. You can find all of
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Speaker 8 (01:25:09):
Host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
How's the loupe, Varla? We need to get mail to
give you another shot or what?

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
No, No, I'm good, I'm good. I moved up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
So have you officially announced your deal in May or
you did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Oh yeah, yep. May twenty first to twenty fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I've been out of the loop around here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
May twenty first to twenty fifth. Merle and I and
Varlay will be in Las Vegas if you want to
come join us. We haven't picked a hotel yet, but
we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Pick a cheap one. We're not sleeping anyway right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
All the hotels are cheap in Vegas, so it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
God, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Gonna tell you something that came up while we were Oh,
I just wanted to you mentioned this before, and I
know I've said this to you before, but like, and
this is why I would actually go to a first
came to your like, you know, your fan party. It's
because fucking people in your chat are so awesome and

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I've been on, I think like Tim's only had to
go in there and like delete a couple of commons,
you know, Like it's it's pretty impressive because I I

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I tend to like not even like, look at the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
I just I got.

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Burned doing that early on when people transitioned from regular
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But also you would like see the comments and you
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Mark is a great human being and he's still.

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I honestly think he was.

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Like my first fan ever, I really do. They're they're
him and Ron Kohlik. Like there were two people that
like reached out to me and got me booked on
shows and booked me on shows like when my first
book came out, and Mark was one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
He's always looking out for me and this nice guy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, we got about a minute forty. You don't know
what we're going to do after this time. You don't
go to You don't know. I'm going to do after
the show?

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Sme a cigarette?

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Besides that, after that hotel, I'm going to eat a drumstick.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
You mean like an ice cream or an.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Ice cream ice cream?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Maybe you have snow? You have snow right now?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Or melted melted?

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Yeah, yeah, melted. Yeah, we've been lucky. What are you doing?
Are you? We're having like a big old bonfire tomorrow night.
I am candy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
I am going trick or treating with my son yay. Yeah,
and he's twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
He's twelve now. Yeah, you gotta go go as much.

Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
Yes, soak it up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Yeah, and you'll.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Be having a teenage party at your house in no time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Yeah, I might get some fireworks. I don't know, Probably
not because I have to do the show. Great idea,
I have to do the show right after, so but
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Wait, why would fireworks keep you from doing the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Show, Because I would do the fireworks when I got
back from tricker treating, but I have to start show prepping.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
So yeah, but thew you trick or treated? Like five? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Like six? Here? Okay, we got like fifteen seconds. Hold on.
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can find her books at any major bookstore or online. Varla,
thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
My pleasure, my pleasure. I want to meet a were wolf?

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Would you bark at the moon if you were one?

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
I don't know if I want to be one. I
just kind of want to like have one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
But how would you know? How would you know?

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Like I mean, come on, okay, ladies, you can tell.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
I will say this. Full moons do make people go crazy?

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
My sister was a prison guard for thirty five years
or thirty four years, and she stated that on full
moons they had to make sure that they locked up
the inmates earlier than normal because a lot of them
would start going absolutely haywire the minute the moon went full.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
I've got a friend that works in the psych ward
here in Saint Paul. And this is like the full
moon is you can't you can't even plan for it,
like you know it's coming, and it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Off off the hook.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
And I've heard a lot of like EMTs and things
and people like in you know, nurses and stuff say
things like that, and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
I feel it. I don't know. Last full moon, I
was stalk in the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
I was like very I yeah, that had some really
intense energy. And a lot of us can't sleep when
the moon is fully and even with like the room
darkening curtains and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
But I was like literally stalking the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
I could not sleep, and I was at this cabin
and I just was like walking around in the moonlight
at night, just like totally wide awake.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Ooh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
And I had seen a wolf a wolf print earlier
on the stream bank, probably a lycanthropic stream bank.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
That's another way, by.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
The way, you can drink the water from a wolf's
footprint and that will transform you into a were wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Just another just one another way.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
But we should probably do the ritual.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
We have the opportunity, let's do that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
So and the great thing about this is it's being podcasted,
so people can you know, they can go back on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
And take notes, or they can.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
They can pause it and listen to it when we
get to them the ingredients and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Because I'm I'm gonna just give this to you the
way that I learned it. And it's funny because.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
It's like, Okay, if I were going to write this myself,
I would say, Okay, you will need a cauldron, a string,
some chalk.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
What else do you need? You need water.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Means to make fire, and then you need as a fetia, parsley, opium, hemlock, canvene,
staffron alo, poppy seed or solanum.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Also you need.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Probably fat from a freshly killed animal or just bring
your own bat. Okay, So that's that's kind of your
shopping list, but that's not how it's presented.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
To you in the in the in the ritual.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
So it's just kind of like, oh okay, I'll write
this down later, all right. So first of all, the
number one thing you have to do, and I think
this goes without saying, you must go somewhere remote, right,
You have to go somewhere like completely isolated.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
It can be a forest, it can be a mesa,
it can be the desert.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
The point is is that you need to go somewhere
where you're not going to counter other people. And he
actually says the powers you were tapping into can only
be found in places solitary.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
So figure that one out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
Oh, I forgot to mention this particular spell is a
new moon variation. It's not a full moon variation. There
are full moon spells, but this potent one is a
new moon variation. And I have a theory about why
that is. But in any case, you go somewhere remote,

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completely isolated, and then under the darkness of the new
moon at midnight. Of course, you're going to choose a
nice level piece of ground and you're going to take
like your stick and your chalk or how you know.
You'll have pre measured this a string that is seven

(01:36:29):
to nine feet long, so that you can make a
perfect circle seven to nine feet in diameter. Every single
spell says the same specs for the circle, which I
think is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I don't know where exactly this is coming from us
from a.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
Very specific lineage.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Okay, so you're going to do.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
This seven to nine foot circle radius, and then within
that circle you will do a three foot circle in radius, right,
in the center of the larger circle. And then this
will come as no surprise, I'm sure to anyone. You
will build a fire within that center circle, over which
you will place an iron vessel aka a cauldron, and

(01:37:16):
you will fill it full of water. As the water
begins to boil, you reach into your little satchel and
you pull out handfuls of any three of the following substances. Okay, acephetia, parsley, opium, hemlock, henbane, saffron, aloe,

(01:37:44):
poppy seed, and solanum.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
So solanum would in this case be a night shade.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
While okay, so you just toss three handfuls, very like
loose spell. But you're not actually going to consume the
You're not going to consume this brew that you're making.
You kind of almost get steam facial from these things,

(01:38:11):
because as you are throwing these herbs into the cauldron,
you are repeating these words. Spirits from the deep who
never sleep, be kind to me. Spirits from the grave
without a soul to save, be kind to me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Spirits of the trees.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
That grow upon the leaves, be kind to me. Spirits
of the air, foul and black, not fair, be kind
to me water, spirits hateful to ships and bathers, fateful,
be kind to me. Spirits of earth bound dead that

(01:38:55):
glide with noiseless tread, be kind to me. Spirits of
heat and fire, destructive in your eyre, be kind to me.
Spirits of cold and ice, hatrons of crime and vice,
be kind to me. Now, at this point, the water's

(01:39:15):
boiling quite a bit. You've said quite a few words.
You got the herbs in there, the bruise kind of concocting.
Once it's at a full boil, you then say, wolves, vampires, satyrs, ghosts,
elect all of the devilish, devilish hosts. I pray you

(01:39:38):
send hither, Send hither, send hither the great gray shape
that makes men shiver, shiver, shiver.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Come, come, come.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Now, you take off your shirt, and you smear your
body with the fat of as I said before, a
rushly killed an or some kind of tallow that you've
brought with you. This will be mixed with aniseed camphor
and opium. Around your waist. You will then find a

(01:40:12):
you will girdle your loins. It's now time to girdle
your loins with wolf skin. Okay, So you do that
and then so this is waters boiling, herbs are flowing,
You've put stuff all over your body, and now you
are kneeling down in front of this, in front of
the fire, and you are waiting for the advent of

(01:40:38):
the unknown.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
This is exactly how he puts it, the advent of
the unknown.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
And you wait and then the fire burns blue, and
that is when the Unknown begins to make its appearance.
Several options, several things can happen. Some times the unknown
appears as just a disembodied hand that reaches out for
you from the darkness. Other times it appears sort of

(01:41:09):
as like a shimmering specter, may take the shape of
a wolf or a wolf human hybrid.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
That's kind of ideal. But the creepiest one is.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
The unknown comes in the cylindrical shape of darkness that
descends into the darkness, so that even within the darkness,
it's darker, and it's in the shape of a.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Giant pillar, cylindrical pillar, and it just sort of looms there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
So that's I mean, that's kind of Lovecraftian, right, like,
that's that's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
That's really scary. I want to see a giant pillar
of darkness.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
I could handle a specter, maybe a disembodied hand, but
a giant pillar of darkness that blacks out all the
darkness that you're already surrounded by.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
That's pretty intense.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
So at this point you are understandably terrified.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
And what do you do. You run screaming, You run.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Screaming from those woods, and you vow the whole way home.
You are never never going to do that again. You're
never gonna set foot back in those woods. You're never
gonna invite the darkness again.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
And you go home and you curl up in your
bed and you fall asleep, and then you wake up
the next day and it's kind of oh real, full
of regrets until the sun goes down, and then, no
matter what you do, you are.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
Compelled to return to that isolated forest. And this goes
on for a number of days until you slowly transform
into the werewolf. And this is why I think the
new moon is because twenty eight days later you got
the full moon, and boom, you're a werewolf.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
So now when you say that when people are to
take this course, is it a course or just a ritual?
I guess ritual would be the proper way.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
This is just a spell day okay, but that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
They do, they get the physical change of it where
all the sudden, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I haven't done it, I would think so, I mean,
it probably depends on the person.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
It depends on the person.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Sounds like we need a shill in order to test.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
This out, I know, right, all right, pick one up
in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Well, let's just ask our audience and our YouTube chat.
Would anybody like to volunteer for this? To see you gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
Go full on? Though, you gotta go full on.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
I'll supervise, I'll be your minderposed to trying it myself.
I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you. I told
you I've been reevaluating my life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
So maybe this is the path for me to were
wolf path. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Mmmm scary while we're waiting, Oh, I don't really.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
I feel like I'm friend.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
To the wolf, you know, but not the wolf itself.
I don't feel like I really I don't. I don't
feel like I really.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Have wolf energy. But I love them, so I'll hang
out with them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Jules is kicking off the questions tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Oh, yes, what should we.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Expect during this thin veil time? Is it from now
until Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
I love how you put that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
It's thin veil time, thin veil time, the ghosts are
coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Yeah, I love that. Yes, thinvale time is now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
Often the dark you know, the when you have the
time change or whatever. But yeah, like you can see
the days are getting shorter. So the thinnest veil all
hollows Eve Halloween Thouing is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
The thinnest of all the thins.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
This is the time when the reason we dress up
is to avoid being snatched and taken back into the
other world with all the like berries and goblins and
ghosts and things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
And yes, it does go all the way through.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
I think, like yep, Christmas about but like certainly there
there are so many stories between, like you know those
twelve days of Christmas, like the mid the first twelve
days of December or the mid twelve days of December
where the veil is very thin the sky, you know,

(01:45:52):
the world is very dark, at least.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
In the Northern hemisphere, and.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
Crazy things are afoot, you know, wells run with blood
and animals talk and there's all kinds of like high
magic afoot on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
So it does have that same kind of feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
So what we should expect, well, expect to expect the unexpected,
expect to see things that you can't fully understand or explain.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
That's what I think. I think.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
It's also like this particular sowing feels very.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
It feels like a good time to reclaim your power.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
So whatever that means to you, it feels especially here
in the good old United States of America, we need
to reclaim our power individually.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Also of course call on your auntsors to help you
with that, you know, your most powerful ancestors. Or that's
a really good actually, a really good tip is if
you are doing ancestral magic, think about what ancestor you're
tapping into or asking for guidance from, or who you're
communicating with. Right, Like, you're not going to ask, you know,

(01:47:20):
you don't. Don't ask the you know, the party uncle
to help you with your business plan. Ask the party
uncle to help you free yourself and free your heart. Yeah,
and then ask the you know, financial grandma to the
frugal grandma to help you with your business plan. So

(01:47:43):
be conscientious of what you're asking. But also just you know,
think of think of them, talk to them. It's a
good night to talk to your dead loved ones.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
For people who may not understand what the veil is,
lloween is said to be when it is the thinnest,
explain what the veil is.

Speaker 8 (01:48:05):
Veil.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
The veil is sort of just this metaphor for the
cloaking between this world and the world of the beyond,
the other world.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
In Celtic mythology, the other world.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Is sort of the world where all the fairies and
magical creatures dwell, but there's also some ghosts and things
in there, you know. We also think of the other
world as the afterlife or the place where what was
the word?

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
What was the password? Things that cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Be Yes, the password tonight is to Senda and it
meant things not to be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Mentioned, things that should not be mentioned. Yeah. Yeah, so
that so the idea being that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
During this time of year, when again in the northern hemisphere,
when we have the most darkness and the cold is
seeping in, that this is actually the ideal time to
make contact, or maybe not ideal time, but it is
when we are most likely to intersect with things from

(01:49:09):
the other side. That's so saying the veil is thin
is it's literally getting literally getting thinner it's getting more transparent.
And you hear this term also for people like toward
end of life, the veil thins and they'll start talking
with people who are in the room and they'll start seeing,

(01:49:30):
you know, they're deceased loved ones. And you know, they
say as children also when they are born, have greater
access to look beyond that veil. So that's yeah. The
veil is just sort of a metaphor for the cloaking
that we put in our eyes. You know what it is,

(01:49:51):
it's doubt. The veil is doubt, right, we all have it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
It's totally logical. It doesn't mean how.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
It doesn't matter how much you believe in how many
experiences you have. We all have an automatic, like logical
doubt thing that kicks in when we see something that
seems out of place.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
But the veil kind of cloaks us. It cloaks our
eyes from seeing what is really there. And when we
slow down and pay attention and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Look peer deep into the darkness and perhaps light a
candle and chant a few things, we are more likely
to open ourselves up to see what's over there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
And if you don't want to, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
You just you know, hang a talisman over your door
and you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Right, Let's go to Joe's question, or we get about
three and a half minutes. Joe's asking if you kill
a were wolf, does it stay a were wolf or
does it turn back into a human like the movies.

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
So from everything that I've read, like when you initially
kill it, it sort of like limps away as werewolf,
but once it actually dies, it transforms to its human form.
So like there's that story that I said about the
constable who shot his own wife and then you know,

(01:51:08):
thinking she was this wolf beast right, or the hand
that transformed back into like a fine lady's hand. So
I think it just does kind of slowly transform. I
don't think it's instantaneous, but.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
The thing is, think about it though, Like a wolf
that is wounded is.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Not going to just like die in the town square,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
It's gonna limp off and drag itself to the most
isolated place it can.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
So yeah, I think so I think it just turns.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
Back into it as most animals do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Yeah, that's the animal instinct, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Dogs, cats too.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Oh, I know, cats, like all of a sudden you
don't see him anymore, and you're just like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
I know, I know, I get it, and I and
I can appreciate that. Let's sneak in one more question here.
This question comes from where to go here. I think
of the astral plane as a liminal space. Is the
veil thin between our realms to the astral plane?

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Oh? Okay, I think of the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Josh the Wizard.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
Yes, So.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
I don't think the veil is necessarily okay. So I
think of the astral plane as the place that we
go to access the knowledge of the stars. And there's
a variety of ways to do that. You can train
yourself to do that. Of course you know this, you
do it in dream time. There's ways to access the
astral plane, the veil. I think the astral accessing the

(01:52:54):
astral plane can help us to break down the barriers
to allow us to see through the veil. But I
don't know that you can go to the astral plane
easier this time of year. I actually don't really know
that that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
I will let you know on Monday, let me see,
let me experiment. But I mean it kind of stands
to reason if you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Are open to these things but I just I think
of them as I also think of them as liminal spaces,
but also like different than like kind of are grounded.
I think if the other world as existing or superimposed,
or our world is superimposed upon that other world, that
they co exist in a way that's not quite definable,

(01:53:41):
whereas the astral plane is something a little bit like
higher knowledge and divine. So I'm not really sure if
I answered that question, but.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
I like that question.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Thirty seconds to go. Tell everybody where they can find
your books.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
Oh my gosh, Well, find my books at any of
your local independent bookstores. If they don't have it, demand
that they order it. Otherwise you can get it anywhere
books are sold.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
You can get all of my books.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
Enchanted Plants is my most recent book, which is the
exploration of fairy tales and folklore through a botanical lens.
But they're all available through all major booksellers. You can
get them at the publisher's website, all the monster vendors,
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Varlaventura, Everybody. Varlaventura dot Net is her website. Swamp Dweller
and the Wizard. Next, you're listening to spaced out radio
with your host Dave Scott, great job today, are Lah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
You were amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Thank you. It's nice to be back. Yes, so we
can do this next month.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Yeah, okay, but remember we always run into American Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
I know we'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Yeah, okay, we'll figure it out. Okay, text me every day.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Okay, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Okay, bye, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
You're the best.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
You're the best.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
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Speaker 15 (01:55:34):
She's amazing, really amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
All right, let's bring in the wizard. Wizard. What's happening?

Speaker 9 (01:59:58):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (01:59:59):
It is almost Halloween, Dave? Almost?

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
I tried on my costume tonight. Yeah, oh god, it's amazing.

Speaker 8 (02:00:09):
I what does it look like?

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
I'm not saying anything until I'm on camera.

Speaker 8 (02:00:15):
Did you get one of those inflatables that's like the
alien is kidnapping you?

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Almost? Almost? Almost? I think mine's better.

Speaker 8 (02:00:24):
Though, Sasquatches kidnapping you?

Speaker 10 (02:00:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Yes, good morning. Skipped to my lude, doctor Bob. How
are you race fan? What's happening? AJ? How you doing?
AJ is always so pumped when he gets to your users.
Let's go. I love it, AJ? Thank you? Remember people,

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We've got some new stuff out there that looks good
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Now that's vintage. Now I got rid of that. Ye
you should see the new roswell one. Hold on, we

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Speaker 16 (02:02:33):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the un sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 9 (02:02:52):
The story I'm about to tell is from about a
year ago. I was doing recon on a part of
the woods that I had discovered the week before. A
pretty skeptical person about the paranormal, but I don't deny
its possibility. So I was advancing in the woods. I
reached a spot that was unusual. It was entirely pine
wood forest, unlike the rest of the wood, which is levy.

(02:03:15):
I thought it was strange, but still kept going further in.
As I was probably a mile or so into the
unknown part I had found, I heard the voice of
a little girl screaming for her father. I quickly turned
back to see what was going on, but I saw nothing.
I continued walking for about one minute, and then I
heard it again, but this time closer. I turned around

(02:03:37):
and there was still nothing. I continued walking, but a
bit faster this time. About two minutes later, I heard
it another time, but this time it was right behind me.
I checked again, but there was nothing, and then I
heard a man speaking next to me, and there was
still nothing. I was freaking out at this point, and
I grabbed my combat knife and started running as fast
as I could in the opposite direction. Note that I'm

(02:03:58):
a pretty large dude. I don't get scared that easily,
but this was just some next level stuff man. Anyways,
I managed to get back to my bike and got
the heck out of there for good. If anyone has
any idea about what this was, please share it in
the comments and let me know. And I know my
story might not be particularly scary, but thank you for
sharing it anyway if you do. One night, I was

(02:04:21):
outside trying to get my pug inside. He didn't want
to come in for some reason and was running from
me with a leaf in his mouth, so I chased him,
playing with him a bit. I lived near the woods,
and all of a sudden I heard this music. But
it wasn't actually music. It's hard to explain, but the

(02:04:42):
best way I can describe it is that it sounded
like wind chimes, only they definitely weren't actually wind chimes
by the way they sounded and how fast it ended.
It happened for maybe three seconds, and it's sounded like
a ton of them were going off at the same time.
Then it's just a abruptly stopped. I snatched my dog

(02:05:03):
up and nope, the heck out of my yard. Curious,
I went inside and I googled this. I found something
on Reddit from a group from twenty fifteen who had
really similar experiences with the wind chime sounds coming from
the woods. Some people commented that it was fairies or
something like that. It sounds like it could come from

(02:05:23):
Fay folklore, but I'm not sure, so I wanted to
write into the swamp Dweller Show to see if anybody
in the comment section might know what this could be.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
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(02:05:58):
I've always Josh Rutledge is here. We call them the

(02:06:19):
UFO Wizard around here. What's going on? My man?

Speaker 8 (02:06:23):
Oh fantastic, Dave. Let's see, I got up for some
reason at three point thirty this morning, and my dog
was really anxious about going outside. So I went outside
and I saw some UFOs. No, yeah, what happened you
to night vision camera?

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
Yeah, you got to go into detail about this.

Speaker 8 (02:06:47):
So I was just kind of standing in my backyard
looks east towards the Superstition Mountains here here in Arizona,
and looking east, I see this one single white light
moving erratically off in the distance. And I was already

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kind of interested because there was a dog that was
barking in the distance as well. But it sounded really weird.
It was like echoing. But I have never heard a
dog bark echo. I've been here for almost four years.
I've never heard a dog bark echo like it was
echoing this morning. So that was already kind of interesting

(02:07:33):
and weird. And so I was watching this light and
it kind of moved away, and it moved on down
where I couldn't really see it anymore, and I kind
of dismissed it and went back inside the house. I
was standing in the kitchen at the kitchen window, which
is also facing the same direction, getting ready to fix
myself some coffee, and that's when I saw four lights

(02:07:53):
grouped together in kind of the same area moving around,
and I was like, oh, it's go times while I
went and got my night vision camera and came back
out and recorded like six and a half minutes. And
what's really crazy is my night vision camera had about
fifty percent battery life left, but it only recorded for

(02:08:14):
six minutes and then it died and my phone was
fully charged, but when I came back inside, it was
down to thirty nine percent. So something drained the battery.
Because at the same time, what's.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
With the battery drained in high strange situations, So I
you know, uh.

Speaker 8 (02:08:36):
There's a lot of I don't know that it was
necessarily related to the UFO situation, but I know in
my ghost investigation time spent doing that. Oftentimes it's said
that ghosts will draw from em in the area in
order to manifest themselves or to you know, to do

(02:08:58):
things like to interact with stuff. And your battery is
em at the end of the day. Now, granted I've
got high capacity, high voltage electricity lines that run kind
of behind my house. You would think they would pull
from that before they pulled from my cell phone battery.
But that's kind of the idea is that any electrical

(02:09:21):
device that's in the area, they can pull the EM
from those devices to manifest themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
When we did our big investigation up at Flight twenty
one last year with Merlin Samantha Moowet, we had five
days worth of batteries. Five days worth of batteries. They
drained in a day and a half and some of
them the minute we put them in the camera or
in the lights, they were already dead. Wow, it was impossible.

Speaker 8 (02:09:54):
Yeah, when I went up to I went camp in
a few weeks back up in the higher regions of Arizona,
I had a little lantern that was like you pull
it apart and that's how you turn it on, and
it was I just put rain new batteries in it
and it we got like forty five seconds of use

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out of it and it died.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (02:10:19):
So it's very odd that that that happens. But I've
always heard that that's what it is and it but
you got to be careful sometimes too, because i EM
can also cause like humans problems. If you live in
an old house that has wiring, it's like the old
sheathing instead of the newer stuff. You know where it's

(02:10:41):
not romex right, you could actually get you know, like
like I always go in this one room and every
time I'm in there for longer than three minutes, I
start getting these headaches. Well, it's probably because there's really
old wiring with bad shielding and the EM fields are
messing with you because we are very susceptible to em

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which is you know something I've noticed that with you know,
to kind of bring us back to the UFO topic.
With UFOs, you think about it, For the most part,
UFOs don't really come close to us anymore, like since
probably you know, the eighties or the nineties was probably
the last time the UFOs really came close to people.

(02:11:28):
And I wonder if it's because they realize that, you know,
we're negatively impacted by them coming close to us, so
that's why they kind of stay at a distance.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Do you think that there are a lack of UFOs
right now coming closer to people.

Speaker 8 (02:11:47):
I think there is. I I have not I have
not heard of a case of people like seeing like
a disc type type craft or someone at really close
up in a long time. You know, they might see
a disc at a distance look through binoculars, and be

(02:12:10):
able to tell as a disc. What I've probably seen
more than anything of late is orbs. And then those
those like orbs that are like inside or like a
box inside of a sphere, but the sphere is translucent,
but there's like a box inside of it. I see
a lot of those, but it's you know, I probably

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can't tell you the last time I've heard about a
case where you know, a craft was came right up
to the person. And I think it's because they finally
realized that, you know, their technology hurts us. They probably
got tired of taking people to you know, patch them up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
It's weird. You just don't hear much as much lately
about alien abductions as we did, say a few years ago,
even a couple of years ago.

Speaker 8 (02:13:06):
Well you know, we still you know, in in the
moufon space, we still of course get them in our
cases that get submitted. They're I mean, they're still happening.
But you know something I was thinking about the other day.
Let's say you're like, you're on your way to I
don't know, work, and you get t boned at an

(02:13:27):
intersection and it knocks you out. They rush you to
the hospital and they perform emergency surgery, and in an
emergency surgery, they decide, uh, they've got to, you know,
do something, and they they do these things, and then
like after you come out of it, you have snippets
of like remembering things that happened in the r room
and stuff like that. And maybe you're a little perturbed

(02:13:50):
that they decided to, you know, remove one of your
kidneys in order to save your life, but you're okay
with it because they save your life. Well, what if
that's what majority of alien abductions are is they're just
trying to help you fix you. But because they're not
doctors and masks, they're little green guys or mantids, and

(02:14:11):
because we don't recognize the utensils they're using or whatever,
we automatically assume that they're up to no good. But
maybe they're just er docs on a UFO craft and
they're trying to help save your life or remove that
tumor that you don't even know you have from your
body so that you can continue to live a long,

(02:14:32):
productive life. But because it's a different context, we take it,
we understand it differently.

Speaker 6 (02:14:41):
Let's get to one of the subjects we want to
talk about tonight about plasma.

Speaker 8 (02:14:49):
Yeah, and you said this to me earlier today, and
I did quite a bit of research on it in between.
There are quite a few companies that are working on
a plasma jet engine. Now it's been they've actually several

(02:15:09):
places have actually created them on a small scale. M
T created an ion based airplane that that flies of
short distances with using an ion engine. But the way
plasma works is is it takes uh. Most companies who

(02:15:30):
are exploring plasma used like an argone gas or xenon gas.
They ejected into the chamber and then they superheat it
until it turns to plasma plasma being the fourth state
of matter, and then they eject that plasma through a
nozzle uh and that of course causes thrust and then

(02:15:54):
the the vehicle progresses forward. Most of the way plasma
has and explore the date has been for space travel,
but there are now some companies that are looking at
it for in an atmosphere travel as well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
Here's one of the things that came up with this
is that if they can perfect this, it will end
a lot of flights, like aircraft will never have to
come down. You know, it could be years before they
have to come down.

Speaker 8 (02:16:31):
Yeah, but the like the perfecting of it is has
has bigger benefits I think then, just as a plasma engine,
because in order for the plasma engine so that that
heat up element that I talked about, you have to

(02:16:54):
get the gas in order to convert most gases to plasma,
they have to reach somewhere around like twenty thousand celsius
to get those things to convert to plasma. So number one,
most of the things that we have inside of an

(02:17:16):
engine today can't handle that kind of heat. So we're
going to have to produce new materials that can handle
that kind of heat. So think of all the other
places where we could use those materials. Also, it's going
to take a significant amount of electricity to heat a

(02:17:39):
gas to twenty thousand degrees celsius so that it converts
to plasma. And so you know, either a high density
battery onboard fusion. So again it's all advances in technology
that has further reaching benefits just a plasma engine. So

(02:18:01):
I think in our in our in humanities, that's say
effort of getting to the point of having a plasma
engine in the skies operating, we will also see significant
advances across the board. Now, what is interesting to me,
or rather what is the potential hold up here, is

(02:18:23):
it would mean no longer needing potentially no longer needing
jet fuel. And as we know, it's really hard to
shake people's wallets loose from the idea of not using
you know, petroleum and gasoline and diesel and things like

(02:18:44):
that anymore. So I think that's probably the biggest barrier,
not so much of the technology, because I think we
could figure out the technology. You know, anytime we've come
up against a hard you know, a hard no in
the past, we've always figured out a way to get
past it. It's the do you think we're ready as

(02:19:05):
an economy to begin to explore, like significantly reducing how
much fuel we burn, with you know, jet fuel on
planes being a significant amount of that fuel.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
Well, here's the thing that I'm going to bring in
a little bit of conspiracy theory into this, okay, and
that is I had a talk with an insider one
day and we were talking about black triangles. And this
person had to be very careful with what they said

(02:19:46):
to me and said, Dave, there's a lot I can't
tell you. So I said, well, hypothetically speaking, if the
United States government has these black triangles, where would they land?
I said, are they landing in area fifty one? Are
landing a right path? Are they landing you know, at

(02:20:08):
some secret base in the middle of the ocean, on
some sort of island, you know, like, where are they landing?
And he said something very ominous to me after that,
which was, what if they don't land? If we're talking
hypothetically here, what if they don't land? And that made

(02:20:30):
me wonder how they would be able to do that?
How would they be able to change crews for instance,
how would they be able to refuel if necessary? I mean,
if they were running, let's say, outside of plasma, if
they were running on nuclear power. We already see aircraft

(02:20:51):
carriers that are you know, needing to fill up with
nuclear energy and fuel about once every twenty years. So
could these tr three bs, these black triangles that people
are seeing, if they do belong in the arsenal of
some deep dark US military secret unit. Could they be

(02:21:15):
running on these plasma engines? Could they be running on
nuclear energy?

Speaker 8 (02:21:22):
They I mean definitely could be running on nuclear energy,
because we already have you know, a multitude of craft
that do that. I mean, we've got a space craft,
I guess you would call it a space craft that
we send out, you know, into the end of the
the ether to look at various planets and things that
is running that is powered by nuclear power. But to

(02:21:46):
your point, like, not only would you have to potentially
take on, you know, a new nuclear material, like you know,
whatever the rods they're using or whatever for nuclear aspect,
you also have a lot of nuclear waste to get
rid of unless they're just dumping it, you know, they're

(02:22:07):
just it's like the blue ice from airplanes, you know,
instead of instead of getting peppered with blue ice, you
get peppered with you know, nuclear waste. But I hope
that's not the case. I mean, I wonder how submarines
and aircraft carriers get rid of their nuclear waste. Hopefully
they're just not dumping it in the ocean as they
go along. But but yeah, I mean it. I've had

(02:22:31):
a black triangle siding. I don't know if you know
this or not, but I saw one in Kentucky. And
what was really that I think the most the most
interesting thing about the entire sighting was is that it
made absolutely no noise, and there was absolutely no effect

(02:22:56):
around the craft. It was just it was just there,
lumbering along in the Sky's not a care in the world.
And I think I think that most of our technology,
even this pleasmid technology, you know, when you're when you're
heating something up to twenty thousand degrees celsius and then

(02:23:17):
ejecting it from a nozzle for propulsion, that's gonna have sound.
It's it's gonna have heat dispersion. You know, you're you're
probably gonna see like a mirage effect around whatever is
dispersing it, because it's gonna superheat the air in the
vicinity of whatever the nozz, wherever the nozzle is ejecting

(02:23:38):
this stuff. And that that's not something we typically see
in you know, TIR three B or or black triangle sidings. No,
they're usually silent, Yeah, silent, you know, just black triangle
moving across the sky. I think it also, I truly

(02:24:01):
believe that human ingenuity is boundless. If we set our
you know, this got down in cliche, but if we
set our minds to something, we figure out a way
to solve it. Every single time.

Speaker 1 (02:24:16):
Hold that thought, we're gonna go to break at the
bottom of the hour, we have Josh Shrutledge and the
UFO report coming up. We're talking about plasma craft. Is
this even possible? Does the United States have a stash
of craft that may already have it. We'll continue the
conversation next. This is spaced out radio and your host's

(02:24:41):
name stuff. All right, we're clear, cool, good start, buddy.

Speaker 8 (02:25:08):
Yeah, man, you know, I'm I wasn't gonna come in
here empty handed. When you hit me that that thing
I was. I started researching it. I even had AI
produce a a what if, uh like, what what you
would feel if you were within half a mile of

(02:25:30):
a craft operating a plasma engine as as described by
one of the companies that I found. That that's working,
that's building one. So we want to get into that.
That's pretty cool too.

Speaker 1 (02:25:52):
Sounds like fun, my man, sounds like fun.

Speaker 8 (02:25:58):
Yeah. I'll have to I'll have to send you, uh.
Facebook limited me to one minute for my video that
I captured this morning, and I'll forward it to you here.
You can take a look at it later. Like I said,
I recorded a little over six minutes, but I only
got one minute uploaded.

Speaker 17 (02:26:20):
Yeah, let's see. Way to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (02:26:37):
Here, we have time. Oh where did I do this?

Speaker 14 (02:26:41):
Hold ship?

Speaker 12 (02:26:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 17 (02:26:48):
One second here.

Speaker 12 (02:26:51):
M shireh okay, sure your screen, make sure some big here.

Speaker 17 (02:27:07):
Yeah, I don't get the play right now.

Speaker 1 (02:27:33):
How high up were they? Josh?

Speaker 8 (02:27:36):
They were around ten degrees ten to twenty degrees off
the horizon. I mean they were above the mountains. That's sorry.
That was the one one I just sent you. It
was my just my phone to the other one.

Speaker 1 (02:27:56):
That's better.

Speaker 8 (02:28:00):
H What is that? What is that repeat that I'm hearing?

Speaker 1 (02:28:04):
What repeat?

Speaker 8 (02:28:06):
It was like something blackout something? Oh.

Speaker 6 (02:28:10):
Sometimes when you go on go on Facebook, it plays
some sort of audio in the background.

Speaker 1 (02:28:15):
I always struggle with that.

Speaker 12 (02:28:22):
Um like this.

Speaker 6 (02:28:27):
We have time, We have time? Uh, probably because I
have the sound on it. All right, bear with me.
Let's play this one here, all right, share that it play.

Speaker 8 (02:28:54):
So that blue light at the bottom is a street light,
as to make sure everybody, okay, we have really high
street lights out here. But yeah, you see the two
moving together. There's like a bunch there that are moving

(02:29:17):
around together.

Speaker 1 (02:29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:29:18):
Oh wow.

Speaker 8 (02:29:18):
And then like you saw one like zip like just
when it starts, he's like one zips off kind of
off to the right. In the video, and then Lada
is another one that kind of like zips in.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
That's really cool.

Speaker 8 (02:29:36):
This was at This was at four o'clock in the morning.
Oh man, I was seeing him before, but I just
started filming them at four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (02:29:45):
That is awesome.

Speaker 17 (02:29:46):
Due, that is awesome.

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(02:31:31):
with us talking about potential plasma craft in the sky above.
Do you think they're already there, Josh, I mean you've
seen enough UFOs. Just what's your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (02:31:43):
I mean, they could be, but like I said, because
of the this is the sound and the distortion that
you would experience. I think with at least the way
we would accomplish humans would accomplish plasma craft, I don't
think they would be mistaken for anything other than like

(02:32:06):
human created things. You know, more than likely the craft
is going to break the sound barriers they're gonna get
you know that that sonic boom, the the plasma that's
being ejected through the nozzle for thrust is probably gonna
break the sound barrier, So you're gonna get a sonic

(02:32:26):
boom from that. Yeah, the the glow that would kind
of exist around it, Just there's too many things I
think with the way we would go about producing plasma
that nobody would look at it, and I mean they
would probably be in awe, but like, oh what's that?

(02:32:46):
But like we're still probably gonna design it to move
us forward, you know, like they're gonna they're gonna it's
gonna move the craft forward, and you know, and then
there's still unless it's a drone, there's gonna be a
pile it inside, and so you're still going to be
limited on how many g's you know, that pilot can feel.

(02:33:08):
Plus you got you know, like I talked about a
little bit earlier, all of the heat shielding that would
be necessary to protect a pilot from twenty thousand degrees
celsius that's being ejected out out the back or even
the size or the bottom of a craft that they're in.

(02:33:29):
I just don't think we've developed that type of stuff yet.
So that's that's where it's hard for me to look at,
like the claims around like a TR three B or
roen me back up claims around the triangle craft being
at R three B. Let's say that that's human made.

(02:33:49):
I just I would have I would think that if
we've developed, for example, if we've developed heat shielding technology
to protect pilots or electronics for that matter, or in
crafts that are using a plasma thrust technology that we
would have seen already other places where those you know,

(02:34:10):
heat shielding would be would have been utilized, because we've
talked about the fact that when you heat plasma up
like that and you eject, you're basically creating lightning, and lightning,
as we know, puts off a bunch of em and
it can disrupt, you know, electronics. So how do you
shield the electronics inside the craft that you're flying while

(02:34:34):
you're creating lightning and shooting out the back. There's just
a lot of things that I don't think we're I
don't think we've figured out how to solve for. So
they might be in the skies, but I don't think
humans have figured it out.

Speaker 1 (02:34:50):
Okay, but what about the thought that when Ben Rich
was alive a number of years ago, he passed away
in the night andies. This is a gentleman who started
working for Lockheed around nineteen fifty ended up being the
head of Skunk Works for about twenty years. Good friend

(02:35:11):
of Jim Goodall's a good friend of this show, and
he stated publicly that he believes at Lockheed Martin at
that time was at least fifty years ahead in technology
from what people see today. Now, let's fast forward thirty years.

(02:35:33):
How far ahead are we today. I have heard from
people on the inside that we could be anywhere from
eighty to one hundred and twenty years ahead of what
we see in the sky today. So when I look
at the realm of possibility, I can't rule it out, you.

Speaker 8 (02:35:50):
Know I can't. I don't want to necessarily rule it out.

Speaker 17 (02:35:55):
I just.

Speaker 8 (02:36:00):
Thing every advance in technology that we've ever come up
with has been to advance our capabilities of war. That's
not a US statement, that's a global statement. Every advance
of technology was first used to make us better on
the battlefield, whether it be how to patch up soldiers

(02:36:24):
and get them back in the fight, or technology to
blow things up or to move soldiers faster, or whatever
the case to be. Everything has always been in military
activity first. So it kind of goes back to for me,

(02:36:44):
the ethical question of if we have the technology that
we can deploy in a military arena that would potentially
save lives, and we choose not to because it would
expose the fact that we have said technology to our enemies.

(02:37:06):
It brings up a really hard ethical question for me.

Speaker 1 (02:37:12):
I get that, but what the military does has never
been about ethics. Well, that's true, or Lockheed Martin, that's true.

Speaker 8 (02:37:22):
You know. The The other thing is, I think you
know where I thought you were going to go. Is
the the comment about we have the technology to take E.
T home.

Speaker 1 (02:37:33):
There is that one too.

Speaker 8 (02:37:34):
Explain that one, and I don't think the same guy,
I believe. Yeah, he was at a conference. Somebody approached
him after the like little get together of all the
high and mighty folks and was talking to him about
how he felt about UFOs, and he said, let me

(02:37:55):
put it to you this way, we have the technology
to take ET home. So you know, that was around
the time I think when Et then of course the
movie came out and ET had to phone home in
order to get home, and you know, basically that's I
think that's what the reference is. But whether or not
that means we have developed the technology or we just

(02:38:19):
have the technology, right, we have access like an Independence Day,
We've got the craft in the bunker in Area fifty one.
We just can't figure out how to fly it, or
we can't figure out how to turn it on or
whatever the case to be. But we've got we've got
the technology. I mean, if there has been if we

(02:38:40):
go if we if we say that there has been
a uap UFO retrieval program running for eighty years, and
in that eighty year span we've figured out how to
build or reproduce some aspect of the craft that we've kepped.

(02:39:03):
It stands to reason that we probably have that on
some experimental craft. And the fact that the companies that
I looked up that are looking into plasma engines are
not big, They're not Lockheed Martin, They're not like big
government contractors. They're relatively small in fact. So we usually

(02:39:27):
see technology deployed in the military domain first, and then
it later gets kind of make it becomes available for
research and development for the private sector. The fact that
we have private sector companies looking into this technology, maybe
that implies that we have in fact perfected it in

(02:39:48):
the military assign and now it's available for private companies
to look into how to make it commercially available.

Speaker 1 (02:39:56):
Well, I mean that is something that we could only hope.
I mean, we don't know the toys that a place
like Lockheed Skunkworks has or Boeing or pall Andeer or
Raytheon or McDonald Douglas. I mean, there are hundreds of
patents in technologies that they may have that we could

(02:40:17):
literally use every day in humanity. And I've said this
on this show before, Josh Okay, flight has not changed
in seventy years. If you look at the old original
Boeing seven oh seven and you look at an airbus

(02:40:38):
A three twenty today, almost the same aircraft, same design,
same wings. Yes, they've improved. Now we got the little
flaps on the ends of the wings. The technology is better,
the metal is lighter. Okay, they're a lot more structurally sound.
I get that. That's not what I'm talking about. What

(02:41:00):
I'm talking about is improvement in time. It still takes
whether you're flying seventy years ago or sixty years ago
in a Boeing seven oh seven, or you're flying in
a seven thirty seven from Boeing today, it still takes
you six hours to get from Vancouver to New York.

(02:41:22):
The time hasn't changed. And if this technology is out
there where they are getting into hypersonic speed. It's believed
that they've had hypersonic speed since the nineties. You know
with the Aurora program and others, right, they haven't. They

(02:41:43):
haven't given that up to improve travel, to help humanity
even better. They haven't given that up. So I don't
I disagree with you and you say that you know
that it's it's there need to give it up a
little bit in order to to make life better for us.

(02:42:06):
They don't care.

Speaker 8 (02:42:12):
What I What I mean by giving up a little
bit is that usually it's a it's a money play
when they've reached to the point where they can no
longer keep the technology or need to keep the technology
a secret. Now it becomes commercially available and all the
all the people who all the people who own Stock

(02:42:34):
and Lockeyed Martin also own Stock and Boeing and uh,
you know all the other companies that would then use
that technology to better enhance their their propulsion. But at
the end of the day, at the end of the day,
flight still won't have changed. Well, it'll still be about

(02:42:54):
moving air over a wing in a forward direction, right,
It's just a matter of how are we moving that air?
How are we pushing the craft forward? So you know, yes,
it may be uh, it'll be better for the environment
potentially because it wouldn't produce any CO two. It would

(02:43:18):
produce probably nitrous oxide. When those hydrogen and helium molecules
kind of after the plasma has been ejected recombined, we
would get probably an increase in nitrotoxide. But as far
as I know, we would all maybe we would all
just talk a little bit higher in our voices. We
would all talk like this, Dave instead, but but yeah,

(02:43:43):
it's uh, we would all maybe we would all go
to sleep. That's what I mean by commercially available is
that all the technology that we've typically seen where it's
deployed the military first eventually becomes commercially available. It's worked
into the you know, commercially available technology, and then all
those same shareholders get to earn double the profits now

(02:44:05):
because now they're getting paid not only from the military
or for the government, but they're also getting paid from
the general consumer.

Speaker 1 (02:44:13):
I would agree with you on that. I think that
a good thought. I just don't know if they even
want to. They have a free bank roll from the
US government and the taxpayers. We know they don't care
about the environment. When you would you hear people, you know,
whether it's in Canada or the US, harping about fuel consumption,

(02:44:38):
fossil fuels and everything like that. The biggest consumer of
that is the United States military, and nobody ever talks
about that. They've been able to get off scot free
with that. Now, I'm not a climate change person, I
really am not. I think, at least here in Canada,
it's been something that has been the wool has been

(02:44:59):
pulled over our eyes, and there's proof of that, easy
proof to find. But I do believe that this There
are technologies out there that they are holding back from
all of us regarding travel, regarding speed, regarding fossil fuels,

(02:45:19):
regarding maybe even zero point energy. We don't know, but
I think it's there.

Speaker 8 (02:45:25):
Well, you know, not to you know, go too far
off the plasma thing. But back in the early two thousands,
in a lab, they successfully teleported a hydrogen atom from
one location to another inside a lab. So, you know,
I think about advances in technology, imagine not even needing

(02:45:49):
to travel. Imagine you put you in a keypad, your
destination on a door in your house, and you step
through it because teleportation.

Speaker 1 (02:45:59):
But I mean then you go into the fact, or
not fact, because there is no fact on it. Then
you go into the rumors and the stories of you'll
get Andrew Bishago, I don't know if you're familiar with him,
but from the child Kron or not where they believe
there are already these jump rooms that can get you places.

(02:46:20):
And they've had the technology of these jump rooms for
decades now. Whether they've used them or not, or whether
they're real, I don't know. I know Grant Cameron, UFO
researcher has looked into these. He believes that the jump
rooms are real. I've talked to other people who believe
they are real. I've even had photographs sent to me
of one of the buildings where allegedly these are taking place.

Speaker 8 (02:46:44):
I mean, with what we understand now about quantum entanglement,
all you would really have to do is quantum entangle
to devices into different locations and then no matter where
they are stepped, you instantaneously stepped through one and entered
the other wherever the other one is.

Speaker 1 (02:47:05):
Right, we got four and a half minutes. We need
to touch on the alleged UFO crash at Area fifty one.
I have not seen this, okay, George Knapp had reported
on it once again. Inside Information Testing of drones and

(02:47:26):
the reason why they cover up these crash sites is
so that the medals don't get wisp away in the
wind and cause to issue to people who are in
the area.

Speaker 8 (02:47:41):
Interesting. You know, when we were out in Vegas, what
may yes the beard knowledge and I went out to
Area fifty one and did a SkyWatch, and when it
got close to getting dark, I broke out the night
vision and there was all kinds of stuff operating above
if you want, you couldn't see it when it was

(02:48:03):
daytime out, but as soon as it got dark enough
for night vision to work, there's all kinds of things
operating above Area fifty one. I'm not saying they were
you know, UAP or whatever. I'm just saying there's a
lot of stuff operating there. So I would imagine that,
you know, just like everywhere else, they probably do have
crashes and accidents and things. Whether or not it was

(02:48:23):
a drone or if it was something else, I'm not sure.
I think that there's so much there's so much now lore,
you know, baked into Area fifty one that the military
almost uses it as like a sales pitch for why
companies need to invest time and money into Area fifty one.

Speaker 1 (02:48:44):
Well, the funny part about it is I had heard
from people that the worst time to go out to
Area fifty one is on the weekend. They rarely will
fly anything on the weekends outside of what you're used
to seeing. You're used to seeing an F fifteen, you're

(02:49:04):
used to seeing in F sixteen. You're used to seeing
helicopters like Chinooks. Okay, you're used to seeing Apache helicopters
or CE seventeen globe masters. But what you're not used
to seeing, they only fly it, I believe Monday through
Thursday because most people are at work and most tourists

(02:49:25):
have headed home.

Speaker 8 (02:49:28):
Well, you know, if you read Bob Lazar's book, he
talks about most of the time they would go out
and see stuff was on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
Yeah, so there you go. Yes, the old Aurora program,
they described it as this. The weekends were time off
for the pilots. Monday was was get ready for your
test flight. Tuesday was sit in the cockpit, maybe do
a simulation. Wednesday was preparedness. Friday or Thursday was light day,

(02:50:01):
and Friday was to break down the the the testing.

Speaker 8 (02:50:10):
Well, I know when we were out there, it was
a Friday and we saw one of the white buses
rolling down that dirt road taking people wherever they take them.
So it makes sense that they were leaving out on
a Friday. It was like five o'clock, five oh one.

Speaker 1 (02:50:28):
They were rolling down the road going in or coming
out going out. Man, windows blacked out, yep, it had
it had They had a white pickup truck in the front,
then one of the buses, then a white pickup truck
as a tail. Oh man, and.

Speaker 8 (02:50:49):
We got we actually got a white pickup truck came
to where we were set up and drove by a
couple of times just to kind of, I guess, make
sure we were not doing anything like it would drive
down slow. When it got to where we were, turn
around and go back.

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
Yeah. Oh, if anybody gets the opportunity to go out
to Rachel, Nevada at Area fifty one, go for it.
Just go for it. You're gonna be happy that you did.
There's nothing to see except maybe the odd antelope yep. Okay,
which was really cool because I'd never seen an antelope before. Okay,

(02:51:31):
but it is so worth the fact that just to
be in that majestic area where things happen, just on
the other side of the Hills. It's it's quite surreal.
It really is quite surreal. So head on out and
do your thing when you go to Vegas.

Speaker 8 (02:51:55):
I mean honestly, that's I'd rather do that than anything
at Vegas.

Speaker 1 (02:51:59):
Me too, Me too, And that says a lot. Josh,
thank you for another great UFO report. Appreciate you, my men,
and a big thank you to all of you tuning
us in as we say good night to you and
hello to mister Ron Bumblefoot. Paul Rocket in the background
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