September 8, 2025 • 35 mins
The Basketball Card Hall of Fame is now open and voting has begun for its ignagural class. We speak to lRay Fonio and I disclose my votes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hosts John new name name. Hello, everyone, Welcome to the
latest episode of Hobby Quick Hits, a special edition. If
you will, we have no We cut out the news
segment and the product release segment only to make room
(00:39):
for a rare guest appearance, uh an interview, which we
normally don't always do on this episode. Not the first
time we've done it, but we're doing it on this episode.
Ray Fonio Ray from Philly is our guest today. You
may know him from the Sports Cards Hall of Fame
Baseball and Football to be exact, but not to be exact.
(01:02):
There's a third sports card Hall of Fame. They are launching,
the Basketball Hall of Fame. Basketball Card Hall of Fame.
Voting is open now We're going to talk about the
new entity, and I'm going to do something I've never
done before. I always vote on these, but on this episode,
I'm actually going to tell you which cards I actually
(01:22):
voted for. You usually keep that close to the vest,
but on this episode I am going to share that information.
So we're gonna get right to that, Ravefonio, any Basketball
card Hall of Fame, all right. We don't always have
interviews as part of Hobby quick Hits, but made an exception,
(01:43):
not the first time, but made an exception in this
case because of the timeliness of the entity and something that's.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Brand new, and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's a gentleman that's been on Sports Card Nation
numerous times, but we're gonna have them on copy quick
kits just to get this show out in time so
some voting can happen. And so I'm joined once again
with Ray Fonio. Ray from Philly.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Welcome, Hey, John, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Thanks for having me on once again. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, yeah, no problem. Well, you know, I believe in
what you're doing for those that don't know. Let mean,
you know you do sports card Hall of Fames. You've
got baseball already for numerous years, football as well as
well for numerous years. And today I we're going to
talk about the third entrant into the Sports Card Hall
(02:40):
of Fame, and that's going to be the basketball side
of things. Before before we get into that, Ray just
kind of talk about the launch. You know, for those
that don't know, how did these sports card hall of Fames?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Where did it all start?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It started in twenty eighteen. I always was wondering the
actual Baseball Hall of Fame didn't have cards representing into
their Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, which years later now
they finally do have a wing for that. So I
came up with the idea of just trying to honor
and preserve the hobby excellence of baseball cards throughout the history.
(03:18):
So in twenty eighteen I started the Baseball Card Hall
of Fame and we just finished the fourth year I'm sorry,
eighth year of that, now eight years in a row
of doing the Baseball Car Hall of Fame. And as
the years went on after I started the Baseball Car
Hall of Fame, I started thinking and pondering about getting
other cards from other sports involved. So with the help
(03:42):
of two gentlemen, Bart of Bart's Cars and Scott Ascani Tradition,
they head up for me the Football Card Hall of Fame,
which the three of us just finished our third year
for that. So I always wanted to just try and
expand as much as time will allow me to do,
and trying get at least a Big four sports in there.
So I've been working on putting together the Basketball Card
(04:07):
Hall of Fame for the past year or two and
trying to come up with the best way to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And the fellow.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
YouTuber I'm working with, Tony whose YouTube channel is tj
is online. Him and I are representing the Basketball Card
Hall of Fame. Tony couldn't make it tonight, but just
wanted to, you know, spread the word out there for that.
The Sports Card Hall of Fame Network is really what
I run that's on YouTube to do the Baseball card
(04:36):
Hall of Fame. I've been doing the Football car for
three years and now this year is the first year
of spreading the Hall of Fame into a third sport,
and Basketball card is up to bat now, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Very cool. I know Tony very well and very smart guy. Yes,
and talk a little bit about that. Like each of
these sports card Hall of Fames you have, you have
different people involved. How how how much is that? I
mean again, it's it's it's a labor of love. It's
not easy, But how much easier does that make your
(05:11):
life when you have some fun helping.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, it's definitely a burden lift and plus not on
that it gives, uh, it gives more ideas into the pot.
You know, when I added Barton Scott for a football
card Hall of Fame, it was definitely a joy because
those guys knowledge and football cars is overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
They're fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And Tony the same thing, has been a big, big
basketball car collector for years and years, and uh there
was some car especially in the modern era. I mean,
I know, vintage basketball, but Tony was definitely well more equipped,
uh to help out and give great ideas and suggestions
to what cars should go in into the modern ballot,
(05:53):
which we'll get into, you know about the two different ballots.
But you know, it's definitely a helpful when you have
you know, more than one set of eyes or more
mind going to it that it gives you better ideas
and it's alleviates.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Some pressure as well. Definitely a big help.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, no doubt. Talk about from the first year you
did this with the baseball to where you are now
just with the two sports and now with basketball entering
the freight at the third one. Talk about how this
is gained momentum and got some traction from that first
day where no one knew what the heck was going
on to where we are today here in no late
(06:33):
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I think I got forty votes in twenty nineteen, maybe
forty four votes. But it started to grow around I'm
going to say twenty one or twenty two. And it's
been with the help of people such as your Shelts,
yourself with and other YouTube channels you know, wanted to
get involved and wanted to pitch in and help outance.
I've been internally grateful for the word is just finally spread.
(06:59):
It takes time, you know, every new idea out there
doesn't really get off, you know, guns of blazing, so
to speak. So it took a few years for the
Baseball Card Hall of Fame to really start to take off.
And like I said, with the help of a lot
of fellow YouTubers chipping in and spreading the word and
me going their channel or they're coming on my channel,
it's been a tremendous help. And now you know, I
(07:22):
passed over one three hundred votes on the last Baseball
Card Hall of Fame election, which is just mind boggling
to me that I got thirteen hundred votes. My goal,
like last year, I think it was about nine hundred votes,
So my goal this year was to crack a thousand,
and it was totally surpassed with well over thirteen hundred.
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So now I'm like, should I aim for two thousand
next year. I'm not trying to be greedy or anything,
but it's just done really well again with a lot
of help of a lot of fellow unibers. So been
very proud of the growth over the past eight years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, kudos to you and the guys on your different
teams with the different sports.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Right, someone had to do this right.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I remember talking you early on when you when you
really first started and thinking, man, I was a little
surprised no one had done this yet.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And you know, and the other nice thing the way
you do it right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, sometimes a lot of these like lists and
and it'll be just someone who says, here's my picks
for this year's or this is my list. You're letting
the hobby community vote. There there wrote what they say counts,
and that's what determines what cards get in. And I
think that's power to the people, right as they say,
(08:39):
and uh, they have it right, and and you know,
was that always the way you knew you were going
to do it when you decided to.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, I wanted this to be a community event, not
just something that I'm shut throwing out there and saying
this is what I think. I wanted this to be
something that everybody got involved with and had fun with it.
It sparks friendly debates over certain cards, and that's what
I wanted, you know. And the first year, I mean
the first couple of years, it was, especially with the
(09:10):
Baseball Card Hall of Fame, it was it wasn't real streamline.
I had everyone voting for what they wanted, but there
was no ballot, there was no suggestions of what would
be on a ballot. So the first year, first two
or three years, I was getting a couple hundred different cards.
Everybody was voting for anything and any any kind of
(09:31):
baseball card. So I'm like, this is just get this
is crazy. I couldn't even keep up with it, even
though it was only getting about forty to fifty votes
per year. To first couple of years, I was getting
a couple hundred different cards. So and in twenty twenty one,
I had a couple other YouTubers helped me at that time,
Mike and Victor and we all decided that there should
(09:52):
be a ballot that, you know, at least for the
first year, we picked the cards for the ballot and
stream I'm in a little bit because you didn't want
having votes coming in of hundreds of different cards.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It was just crazy kind of run.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It more like the actual Hall of Fame, especially in
the Veterans Committee, where there's a committee that came up
with the ballot and then the people vote on what
players get in from that ballot. So I tried to
emulate a little bit more what the actual Hall of
Fame does, and the past few years now that it's
done really well. So when cards get voted in and
(10:28):
new cards have to be put on, I'll do a
pre poll ballot asking people what cards.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Would they like to see be at least.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Put on the ballot. This year was actually the first
year I did a pre poll ballot, so and it
was run over really well. I mean because rather than
me just saying this is what I think, I took
the it's a community event. I took people's advice and
their opinions and their ideas. So and that's what I'm
trying to emulate with football and also with basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and you do great job.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And again you're getting people involved, right, and people look
and listen if you you've been in the hobby log time,
I've been in the hobby log time, and we probably
can include both of ourselves in the comment I'm about
to make. Right. People in the hobby like to debate
about things, whether who's the best player, uh, you know,
(11:22):
who's overrated, who's underrated?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And the same thing with cards, right, and some people
do it tagfley. Some people maybe not as much, and
that's fine too, right to to each their own. But
people love lists, People love debates. People love when when
the results come in. People like the point out where hey,
I think we dropped the ball here, or as a
(11:48):
you know, as a voting consensus, I think we missed
this guy or this card and that sort of thing,
or how did this how did this card get that
many votes and this one did? And that's always that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Happens. It definitely happens.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
People a lot of quite a few people take it,
you know, pretty serious, but not serious in a negative way.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
They take it serious.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Because they you know, they they are collectors, they're hobbyists.
So they have an opinion on, well, wow, I can't
believe this car got in over that and or this
card didn't even make it through the first year ballot,
and how did that happen? I'm like, and the people
have spoken, you know so, But you have a voice
in this because you can. You can vote for this
(12:35):
on a pre poll of at ballot to at least
get put back on the ballot, and it can. You know,
the card just because it got knocked off doesn't mean
that it's forever done. I've had two cards in the
Baseball Car Hall of Fame that the first year they
were on the ballot didn't even be They weren't even
able to continue on the next year's ballot. They got
below five percent, and that was the nineteen ninety upper
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Deck Reggie Jackson autograph card and the forty nine bowman
and Roy Campanella rookie.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
They were off the ball for about two years.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
They got back on I think last year, and not
only did they get back on, they actually made it.
So anything can happen because people look at things and
they'll say, you know what, we need to take a
different look or a different approach at this same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
With the Veterans Committee.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, there's been guys that on the BBWAA ballot
got booted off on their first year on the ballot,
and then they got transferred over to the Veterans Committee
and got another second look and actually made it in.
So it's it's I try and emilate it as close
to the Hall of Fame as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I love it, and I think people appreciate that.
And you know, people like to be part of something,
and when their cards that they voted for get in,
they feel sort of some pride in that, right. Yeah, absolutely, process.
If I didn't vote, no one else voted that card
wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So you can take some personal pride. Now.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Again, I mentioned in the HL we've we've done this before,
you've been on to talk about year sort of we're
gonna do a little bit different this year. We're not
gonna go for times sake, we're not going to list
all the cards on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But also for the first time.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I've always vote right, but I always always kind of
keep my votes to myself. Not that it's not that
it's top secret, but I just never gave disclosing it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
But I was talking to Tony earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Today's like you gotta say who you voted for, and
I know doctor Jim. Doctor Jim does that. So today,
for the first time, I'm going to talk about the
ten cards. I voted for, five on the on the
vintage and five on the modern side for basketball before
we get into Before we get into that, though, give
(14:47):
out where people can cast their ten votes, five for modern,
five for Where can people do that?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Well, mean, Tony did a video on my channel that
was released yesterday. So the two links for the two
ballots let's are in the description of that video. So
they can either do one of two ways they can
do it. They can either click on the link and
the ballot will come up. Or in the video we
posted a picture of a barcode where people can just
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scan the barcode, like pause the pit, pause the video
and use their phone and scan the barcode and it'll
bring up and bring up the actual ballot. So there's
two ways to do that where I mean, there is
a website for the Baseball card Hall of Fame thanks
to Adam from Splendid Sports. He's working on doing the
football card Hall of Fame and the Basketball card Hall
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of fame. So eventually, you know, there's going to be
two more websites at it, so that in future years
for football card and Basketball card, they'll be able to
go right to the website and they'll be a ballot
on there. But for this year for Basketball card, on
the bottom of my video, there would be two links
for one for the model an error and one for
(16:00):
the vintage error. Or they can scan the bar cut.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I'll put it in the show notes as well.
So if you thank you didn't catch you while you're
listening to this, or you're just slazy and I get
it because I can be that way too, just go
to the show notes and click on that link and
that'll that'll take you to it real quick before I
get into who I voted for. This is the first
(16:24):
time you're doing like two ballots in the sense of
modern side right and vented side. Just kind of explain
to people why that is and might we see that
in some of these other hobby sports.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's possible. It's possible.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well, Tony and I were talking about, you know, when
we were first figuring this out back in the spring,
how do we want to create and present this ballot
for basketball carts, and we figured out, since basketball doesn't
go as far back as baseball, I mean baseball carts,
you can get cards in the eighteen hundreds, we didn't
(17:00):
want to cross over too much of the vintage basketball
cards with a lot of the modern cards, say from
the nineties and two thousands. So we figured out, let's
try it this year to and separate errors. So we
have a vintage error which is from nineteen hundred to
nineteen seventy nine, and a modern Arab ballot which is
nineteen eighty to present day. Now, when we say present day,
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there isn't current players on the ballot. The player has
to be a retired player, So Lebron James or Stefan
Curry's cards aren't on the modern araballot, but you would
see someone like Kobe Bryan or Dirk Nowitzki on the ballot.
So we're trying it out see how it works with that,
and if that seems to be doing well, I mean,
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who knows, it could present itself or spread over to
other sports as well. But since there isn't a really
long history with basketball cards, you know, maybe back as
far as the thirties, we wanted to do more of
the vintage, separate it from a modern and we didn't
want to just have people voting for a Kobe and
then at Georgia mic and it was two totally different
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errors and cards could get missed out. So figuring, you
know what, let's have the Vintage have their own wing
and the modern era have their own wing and just
see how it goes from there. It's kind of like
a trial run of this year. But I think it's
gonna work pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, all right, so let me get into I'm gonna
go through my votes here.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Ray, this was tougher than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And when I opened it up, I'm like, like, I
was already without even seeing the ballot, I had cards
when I thought would be on the ballot. Sure enough,
those cards I was thinking about are on the ballot.
But then there's cards you forget about, and then you
see them on the ballot and you're like, man, this
is not as easy. This is not as chalk as
I initially thought. Now I did sort of vote what
(18:53):
I consider sort of of chalk, and and you know,
I'll start with the Vintage, and you know the first
one that I voted for, I mean It's iconic and
no one will argue with this. I venture a safe
bet this might get in on the first ballot. Let
me put this y. I'd be surprised if it didn't.
(19:15):
That's the forty eight Bowman George Miken. I mean, that's
just one of the most iconic card you know, we
talk about like the fifty two tops man.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh, this is sort of that for basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So like I couldn't not vote for it, you know,
I just that's how I kind of wait in on
my vote, Like, is there any way I cannot vote
for this card and that one? Right? That one just
there was no way I couldn't vote for it the
other one. You know, I'm a rookie card guy, so
my votes tend to slant that way.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And again, folks, I'm sharing who I voted for, but
I want to stress you know, vote for who you want.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm just saying who I vote for. I'm not right
ticking for these.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I might say why I voted for him, but I'm
not telling you who to vote for.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's the beauty of voting. You get to pick who
you want to vote.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm just sharing some of my thoughts of why I
did vote this way, So fifty second one and I'm
not even saying these in a particular order, per se,
but fifty seven tops Bill Russell. This guy's got more
you know, championship rings. He's right there at the top.
I think for as much credit as Bill Russell gets,
(20:31):
I think sometimes maybe not even enough. And I don't
think people know the greatness of Bill Russell. This is
just a great card. Again, I looked at it, I'm like,
I cannot vote for this card. So in my last three,
I hate to do this, but the last three are
all from the same set, and it's the sixty one
(20:54):
Flear and they're just well iconic rookie cards, and so
I kind of lump them all together here. Ray I
went with the Jerry All sixty one flare Jerry West,
Oscar Robinson. And when we talk about underrated players of
all time, Oscar Robertson, this guy averaged a triple double
for like average, like you know guy gets a triple
(21:16):
double nowadays, it's like leads off the you know, sports center.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
This guy averaged the triple double, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
When we talk about the greats of the NBA, he
gets mentioned but not as fast, not as early on
as he should. He's overshadowed by by a lot of
other guys, maybe because he's like, you know, being a
guard and the smaller time.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
But this guy was tremendous. It's actually a card. Speaking
of card, It's on my to get list for my
PC and I'm thinking maybe next year at the Nashville
b when I kind of tried to hone in going
back to the Jerry West.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, he's the logo.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
We just lost him recently. And you know, even regardless
whether he was the logo or not, you can't argue
with the greatness of the player that Jerry Way. He's
a logo because he was a great player. They didn't
just put anyone on there. So and the last one,
Will Chamberlain, I mean, the legend of Will even though
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he's been gone and hasn't it seems to grow every
year for some new stat or new thing that comes
up about him off the court or on the court.
He's he's known as the legend. So that's sixty he did,
and that sixty one set is just iconic in its
own right. So those were my five on the vincit side,
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and there was others. Ray, anytime you do this, you're
gonna there's others you don't vote for, and you're like,
I could have and you know, and other people are
going and that's what makes it so fun. And many
of the ones that I didn't vote for, you know,
we'll may get in or we'll get in pretty quickly,
whether it be this year or soon after. So but
(23:08):
those five sort of it's it's funny go Before I
even opened up the ballot, those were like, you know,
I was thinking a five to eight cards. We're definent
on the short list, So it's sort of I don't
want to say it made my vote easier, but a
lot of the debate was already in my own mind
was of kind of sorted out. Uh So those were
(23:30):
my five on the ventage side. Now going to uh,
you know, going to the modern side. I feel a
little bit guilty here because one player sort of dominated
my votes, and that's just because he dominated that era.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But let's talk about the cards I voted for.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That he wasn't on. And this one, like you said,
this was at the cusp of the cutoff between what
you considered vintage and modern. But it's an icon of
card I own it. It's the nineteen eight eight one, Yes, Cops,
Bird Magic Rookie. And how many times can you get
two guys of that stature whose rookie card is on
(24:09):
the same piece of cardboard? Right when you think about
all the baseball like rookies like the Bench or the
Ryan or other like moat or Deceiver. And I don't
mean any disrespect by this, but usually whoever else is
on the card didn't pan out, let's say, and so
share that person sharing the card with the Hall of Famer.
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But how many times it's very rare that you get,
you know, you could get you could have, you know,
Alan Trammel Lou Whittaker on the same card.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
But when you talk about Larry Bird and.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Magic Johnson and the rivalry and the rivalry between them
as well, I mean, forget that they're both Hall of Famers,
but the Lakers Celtics rivalries of that time period where
it seemed like they were in the finals either every year,
almost every other year, and while they were friends when
the game was on, they weren't friend. They were trying
(25:03):
to beat each other. And I grew up, I'm selfish.
I grew up as a as a young kid during
an era and that wasn't necessarily a Celtics or Lakers fan,
but you couldn't help but like these guys just because
how great the players they were and how competitive they were.
And that card is just you get two guys of
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that stature whose rookie card appear on the same piece
of car. I don't there's nothing else I can really
say that that kind of sums it up. So that one,
that one was one of my first votes, and the
other one that I voted for that wasn't of the
same player, and this one was. This one was the
one I debated back and forth before I finally kind
(25:49):
of clicked the box and sent my ballot in the
ninety six ninety seven Tops Chrome Refractor Kobe. And you know,
we all know how great Kobe he was in his
own right, and that's just a great card, right, the
chrome set, the refractor version. And if you're a Kobe
(26:10):
collector or Kobe fan, this is one of the cards
you're trying to add to your collection.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
First, and then you know the other three or all Michael.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Jordan's and uh, you know, as much as you try,
like man, that's as easy, but you can't not vote
for for two of these. Two of these I think
are no brainers, and then someone can argue maybe the third.
The two no brainers for me, Ray were the eighty
four eighty five star Jordan, right, and then obviously the
(26:42):
eighty six eighty seven clear Jordan. And we can you know,
I know there's a debate which ones is true. Rookie,
I think I'm I like, I like the line, like
I say, I'm not kicking either one of those out
of bed. I'll take either one of those any day. Right,
those two were kind of chalk and there's no way
(27:03):
you sort of can't vote for him on the first
ballot of what what you're calling the modern side. The
third one is also a Jordan and my fifth card,
if you will, on the modern side on this one,
like the Kobe I hemmed in hat a little bit
more than the other, uh three if you if you will,
(27:24):
And that's the EX I'm a big fan of EX,
that brand from Flear, But the Jahn Balaya Jordan. It's
the card I've never owned. I've seen it a few times,
more than a few times, but just a great card.
And it's one of those inserts from the nineties that
(27:44):
you never realized how little existed, and you could have
bought him a lot cheaper back then had you had
the foresight to see that, and many of us didn't. Right,
I don't even feel bad admitting that. It's just a
really cool looking card with the round round corner. You know,
it's basically an oval type card and just lent Tickler.
(28:08):
I just that one.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That one's kind of a selfish vote.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That one's just like I like this card, I'm voting
for it. All the other all the other ones like
we're more like to me, like Chalker, it's hard not
to vote. That one was like you know what I mean,
I could have went either way, but that was just
a personal I'm voting. I'm voting for. So that's there's
my ten ten cards that I voted for. Five on
(28:32):
the vintage side, five on the minor, and three. You know,
I really tried, I know, when I was looking over
my mindern vote Ray, I'm like, I've got three Jordan's
here on the ballot, and I feel sort of guilty,
but I just I, you know, I'm like, well, I'm
gonna do this each year, right, so I can maybe
vote for now less Jordan's next year. But the first ballot,
(28:53):
you know, you gotta vote for the Star in the year,
the one. If I feel guilty about any of the
Jordan votes, it's probably the Jumbali. But that one I
just did because I love that. And that's the beauty
of the vote, right we You can whoever's voting, can
can wherever your heart leads you to pick.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
That's I like all those picks. I mean, I got
three of the five in my moment. I mean, I
don't vote, but in my own mind.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
For the Vintage, I had the three of the scene
of the five that you picked. And for the Modern,
uh yeah, I agree on the Magic Bird and Star
Jordan and Fleer Jordan.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And then the other.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Two I was looking at was the Star Barkley and uh.
And it's tough after that, you know, I mean, yeah,
maybe a Star a Keing just kind of rare.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But yeah, that's an underrated card too. He's an underrated guy.
Sometimes we don't talk enough. That's the It's tough. It
is tough. I'm like, I do feel I don't want
to say guilty, but I'm like, I probably I probably
didn't have.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
To vote for the Jambalayah, and I could have went
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But again you always you say, well, next year, I'll
vote for like the Barkley or the Elijah wistcard and
also looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And that sure.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So so that was my I don't want to say
Homer pick, I guess, but that was my one pick
that I probably could have won a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
But I'm like, no, I mean that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So and that's again that's the fun. That's the fun
of the vote. As we kind of come down the
home stretch here, when does the voting close? So people know,
like I got this lound.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So the voting closes on the opening day of the
NBA season, which is October twenty first, at eleven fifty
nine pm Eastern Standard time, So October twenty first, and
then the announcement video will be live on YouTube Friday,
October twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
You go, and it'll be interesting to see out of
the ten I picked, how many, how many get in.
I'm gonna venture safe. I'm gonna venture guests that I'm
batting at least fifty, I would think, so confident. And again, folks,
I'm not telling you to vote for vote wherever your
heart desires. But you know, some of these were just
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they're so iconic. It's almost like a to use a
basketball term for me, slam dunk. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So but that's the fun of it, right, And I
think in subsequent years, I think it will get tougher too,
as as those obvious choices get in, then it becomes
less obvious. The water has become more evenly matched with cards. Yeah,
And I think that's you know, when you look at
(31:43):
even the traditional Hall of Fames, like look at some
of the early classes. You know, it was like Ruth
and Cobb and and it was easy because they were
just legend.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think it's kind of like that with cards.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And then after those big guns get in, then it
gets a little tricker because they're all there's more evenly
worthy cards than like you can't vote for all, so yeah,
then you really have to really be diplomatic. So I
think it'll get tougher uh each year and uh and
funner uh each year, just kind of again coming down like, uh,
(32:18):
you know it's hockey next, I got to put you
on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Ask we'll see. I mean, you never know, I mean
it could be boxing.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean, there you go. See I like, but I'm
a I'm a boxing guy more in the heyday, not
to the current state of the state of sport.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But that's been the big question.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Everyone's like, Oh, let me guess what what's coming up
after this?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Hockey Like you never know, Yeah, non spot you can
go nonsports.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So so there's a lot of different directions. People just
have to stay stay tuned. Well way, I appreciate it.
First time I've ever shared my picks. I almost feel
I feel slightly guilty, but not really.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Again, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Was kind of fun and may be explaining sort of
why and the academy of why I want I'm I'm
always gonna slant rookie cards over non rookie card. Now, again,
that doesn't mean I voted in other sports. Is why
I voted for non rookie cards. They're just some cards
that whether guardless of whether rookie or not, that are
(33:19):
still just icons of the hobby that you guess you
got to get them in there. So but that's sort
of my where I lean first, and then after that
it opens it up for everything, so and other people
might think in a different way. And there's no there's
no wrong answer there, right, opinions I always tell people
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opinions aren't wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Facts can be wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
If you tell someone you know, there's eighty three states
in the United States, you're wrong, right. But if you say,
if you say Pennsylvania is your favorite state, you're not wrong.
That's your opinion, right, So that's I always say, opinions
aren't wrong, but facts can be. So you're voting, you're
never wrong, right, It's true you vote, so, uh, you
(34:05):
got about you got about a month and a half,
folks to get your votes in. Don't wait that long
and uh, you know, and it'll be fun to see
how the first first ever ballot shakes out. And then
like you said, Ray, what what sport or maybe not sport?
Parentheses Hall of Fame card hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I appreciate you having me on, John, Thank.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You, and let's let's see what maybe after the votes
are in, we can get you back and talk about
where where everything's settled once all the smoke there?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Absolutely, Yeah, all right, Ray, thank you, Yeah, thank you,
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hosts John new name name. Hello, everyone, Welcome to the
latest episode of Hobby Quick Hits, a special edition. If
you will, we have no We cut out the news
segment and the product release segment only to make room
(00:39):
for a rare guest appearance, uh an interview, which we
normally don't always do on this episode. Not the first
time we've done it, but we're doing it on this episode.
Ray Fonio Ray from Philly is our guest today. You
may know him from the Sports Cards Hall of Fame
Baseball and Football to be exact, but not to be exact.
(01:02):
There's a third sports card Hall of Fame. They are launching,
the Basketball Hall of Fame. Basketball Card Hall of Fame.
Voting is open now We're going to talk about the
new entity, and I'm going to do something I've never
done before. I always vote on these, but on this episode,
I'm actually going to tell you which cards I actually
(01:22):
voted for. You usually keep that close to the vest,
but on this episode I am going to share that information.
So we're gonna get right to that, Ravefonio, any Basketball
card Hall of Fame, all right. We don't always have
interviews as part of Hobby quick Hits, but made an exception,
(01:43):
not the first time, but made an exception in this
case because of the timeliness of the entity and something that's.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Brand new, and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's a gentleman that's been on Sports Card Nation
numerous times, but we're gonna have them on copy quick
kits just to get this show out in time so
some voting can happen. And so I'm joined once again
with Ray Fonio. Ray from Philly.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Welcome, Hey, John, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Thanks for having me on once again. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, yeah, no problem. Well, you know, I believe in
what you're doing for those that don't know. Let mean,
you know you do sports card Hall of Fames. You've
got baseball already for numerous years, football as well as
well for numerous years. And today I we're going to
talk about the third entrant into the Sports Card Hall
(02:40):
of Fame, and that's going to be the basketball side
of things. Before before we get into that, Ray just
kind of talk about the launch. You know, for those
that don't know, how did these sports card hall of Fames?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Where did it all start?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It started in twenty eighteen. I always was wondering the
actual Baseball Hall of Fame didn't have cards representing into
their Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, which years later now
they finally do have a wing for that. So I
came up with the idea of just trying to honor
and preserve the hobby excellence of baseball cards throughout the history.
(03:18):
So in twenty eighteen I started the Baseball Card Hall
of Fame and we just finished the fourth year I'm sorry,
eighth year of that, now eight years in a row
of doing the Baseball Car Hall of Fame. And as
the years went on after I started the Baseball Car
Hall of Fame, I started thinking and pondering about getting
other cards from other sports involved. So with the help
(03:42):
of two gentlemen, Bart of Bart's Cars and Scott Ascani Tradition,
they head up for me the Football Card Hall of Fame,
which the three of us just finished our third year
for that. So I always wanted to just try and
expand as much as time will allow me to do,
and trying get at least a Big four sports in there.
So I've been working on putting together the Basketball Card
(04:07):
Hall of Fame for the past year or two and
trying to come up with the best way to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And the fellow.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
YouTuber I'm working with, Tony whose YouTube channel is tj
is online. Him and I are representing the Basketball Card
Hall of Fame. Tony couldn't make it tonight, but just
wanted to, you know, spread the word out there for that.
The Sports Card Hall of Fame Network is really what
I run that's on YouTube to do the Baseball card
(04:36):
Hall of Fame. I've been doing the Football car for
three years and now this year is the first year
of spreading the Hall of Fame into a third sport,
and Basketball card is up to bat now, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Very cool. I know Tony very well and very smart guy. Yes,
and talk a little bit about that. Like each of
these sports card Hall of Fames you have, you have
different people involved. How how how much is that? I
mean again, it's it's it's a labor of love. It's
not easy, But how much easier does that make your
(05:11):
life when you have some fun helping.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, it's definitely a burden lift and plus not on
that it gives, uh, it gives more ideas into the pot.
You know, when I added Barton Scott for a football
card Hall of Fame, it was definitely a joy because
those guys knowledge and football cars is overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
They're fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And Tony the same thing, has been a big, big
basketball car collector for years and years, and uh there
was some car especially in the modern era. I mean,
I know, vintage basketball, but Tony was definitely well more equipped,
uh to help out and give great ideas and suggestions
to what cars should go in into the modern ballot,
(05:53):
which we'll get into, you know about the two different ballots.
But you know, it's definitely a helpful when you have
you know, more than one set of eyes or more
mind going to it that it gives you better ideas
and it's alleviates.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Some pressure as well. Definitely a big help.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, no doubt. Talk about from the first year you
did this with the baseball to where you are now
just with the two sports and now with basketball entering
the freight at the third one. Talk about how this
is gained momentum and got some traction from that first
day where no one knew what the heck was going
on to where we are today here in no late
(06:33):
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I think I got forty votes in twenty nineteen, maybe
forty four votes. But it started to grow around I'm
going to say twenty one or twenty two. And it's
been with the help of people such as your Shelts,
yourself with and other YouTube channels you know, wanted to
get involved and wanted to pitch in and help outance.
I've been internally grateful for the word is just finally spread.
(06:59):
It takes time, you know, every new idea out there
doesn't really get off, you know, guns of blazing, so
to speak. So it took a few years for the
Baseball Card Hall of Fame to really start to take off.
And like I said, with the help of a lot
of fellow YouTubers chipping in and spreading the word and
me going their channel or they're coming on my channel,
it's been a tremendous help. And now you know, I
(07:22):
passed over one three hundred votes on the last Baseball
Card Hall of Fame election, which is just mind boggling
to me that I got thirteen hundred votes. My goal,
like last year, I think it was about nine hundred votes,
So my goal this year was to crack a thousand,
and it was totally surpassed with well over thirteen hundred.
(07:43):
So now I'm like, should I aim for two thousand
next year. I'm not trying to be greedy or anything,
but it's just done really well again with a lot
of help of a lot of fellow unibers. So been
very proud of the growth over the past eight years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, kudos to you and the guys on your different
teams with the different sports.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Right, someone had to do this right.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I remember talking you early on when you when you
really first started and thinking, man, I was a little
surprised no one had done this yet.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And you know, and the other nice thing the way
you do it right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, sometimes a lot of these like lists and
and it'll be just someone who says, here's my picks
for this year's or this is my list. You're letting
the hobby community vote. There there wrote what they say counts,
and that's what determines what cards get in. And I
think that's power to the people, right as they say,
(08:39):
and uh, they have it right, and and you know,
was that always the way you knew you were going
to do it when you decided to.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, I wanted this to be a community event, not
just something that I'm shut throwing out there and saying
this is what I think. I wanted this to be
something that everybody got involved with and had fun with it.
It sparks friendly debates over certain cards, and that's what
I wanted, you know. And the first year, I mean
the first couple of years, it was, especially with the
(09:10):
Baseball Card Hall of Fame, it was it wasn't real streamline.
I had everyone voting for what they wanted, but there
was no ballot, there was no suggestions of what would
be on a ballot. So the first year, first two
or three years, I was getting a couple hundred different cards.
Everybody was voting for anything and any any kind of
(09:31):
baseball card. So I'm like, this is just get this
is crazy. I couldn't even keep up with it, even
though it was only getting about forty to fifty votes
per year. To first couple of years, I was getting
a couple hundred different cards. So and in twenty twenty one,
I had a couple other YouTubers helped me at that time,
Mike and Victor and we all decided that there should
(09:52):
be a ballot that, you know, at least for the
first year, we picked the cards for the ballot and
stream I'm in a little bit because you didn't want
having votes coming in of hundreds of different cards.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It was just crazy kind of run.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It more like the actual Hall of Fame, especially in
the Veterans Committee, where there's a committee that came up
with the ballot and then the people vote on what
players get in from that ballot. So I tried to
emulate a little bit more what the actual Hall of
Fame does, and the past few years now that it's
done really well. So when cards get voted in and
(10:28):
new cards have to be put on, I'll do a
pre poll ballot asking people what cards.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Would they like to see be at least.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Put on the ballot. This year was actually the first
year I did a pre poll ballot, so and it
was run over really well. I mean because rather than
me just saying this is what I think, I took
the it's a community event. I took people's advice and
their opinions and their ideas. So and that's what I'm
trying to emulate with football and also with basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and you do great job.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And again you're getting people involved, right, and people look
and listen if you you've been in the hobby log time,
I've been in the hobby log time, and we probably
can include both of ourselves in the comment I'm about
to make. Right. People in the hobby like to debate
about things, whether who's the best player, uh, you know,
(11:22):
who's overrated, who's underrated?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And the same thing with cards, right, and some people
do it tagfley. Some people maybe not as much, and
that's fine too, right to to each their own. But
people love lists, People love debates. People love when when
the results come in. People like the point out where hey,
I think we dropped the ball here, or as a
(11:48):
you know, as a voting consensus, I think we missed
this guy or this card and that sort of thing,
or how did this how did this card get that
many votes and this one did? And that's always that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Happens. It definitely happens.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
People a lot of quite a few people take it,
you know, pretty serious, but not serious in a negative way.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
They take it serious.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Because they you know, they they are collectors, they're hobbyists.
So they have an opinion on, well, wow, I can't
believe this car got in over that and or this
card didn't even make it through the first year ballot,
and how did that happen? I'm like, and the people
have spoken, you know so, But you have a voice
in this because you can. You can vote for this
(12:35):
on a pre poll of at ballot to at least
get put back on the ballot, and it can. You know,
the card just because it got knocked off doesn't mean
that it's forever done. I've had two cards in the
Baseball Car Hall of Fame that the first year they
were on the ballot didn't even be They weren't even
able to continue on the next year's ballot. They got
below five percent, and that was the nineteen ninety upper
(12:57):
Deck Reggie Jackson autograph card and the forty nine bowman
and Roy Campanella rookie.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
They were off the ball for about two years.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
They got back on I think last year, and not
only did they get back on, they actually made it.
So anything can happen because people look at things and
they'll say, you know what, we need to take a
different look or a different approach at this same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
With the Veterans Committee.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, there's been guys that on the BBWAA ballot
got booted off on their first year on the ballot,
and then they got transferred over to the Veterans Committee
and got another second look and actually made it in.
So it's it's I try and emilate it as close
to the Hall of Fame as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I love it, and I think people appreciate that.
And you know, people like to be part of something,
and when their cards that they voted for get in,
they feel sort of some pride in that, right. Yeah, absolutely, process.
If I didn't vote, no one else voted that card
wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So you can take some personal pride. Now.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Again, I mentioned in the HL we've we've done this before,
you've been on to talk about year sort of we're
gonna do a little bit different this year. We're not
gonna go for times sake, we're not going to list
all the cards on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But also for the first time.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I've always vote right, but I always always kind of
keep my votes to myself. Not that it's not that
it's top secret, but I just never gave disclosing it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
But I was talking to Tony earlier.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Today's like you gotta say who you voted for, and
I know doctor Jim. Doctor Jim does that. So today,
for the first time, I'm going to talk about the
ten cards. I voted for, five on the on the
vintage and five on the modern side for basketball before
we get into Before we get into that, though, give
(14:47):
out where people can cast their ten votes, five for modern,
five for Where can people do that?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Well, mean, Tony did a video on my channel that
was released yesterday. So the two links for the two
ballots let's are in the description of that video. So
they can either do one of two ways they can
do it. They can either click on the link and
the ballot will come up. Or in the video we
posted a picture of a barcode where people can just
(15:18):
scan the barcode, like pause the pit, pause the video
and use their phone and scan the barcode and it'll
bring up and bring up the actual ballot. So there's
two ways to do that where I mean, there is
a website for the Baseball card Hall of Fame thanks
to Adam from Splendid Sports. He's working on doing the
football card Hall of Fame and the Basketball card Hall
(15:39):
of fame. So eventually, you know, there's going to be
two more websites at it, so that in future years
for football card and Basketball card, they'll be able to
go right to the website and they'll be a ballot
on there. But for this year for Basketball card, on
the bottom of my video, there would be two links
for one for the model an error and one for
(16:00):
the vintage error. Or they can scan the bar cut.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I'll put it in the show notes as well.
So if you thank you didn't catch you while you're
listening to this, or you're just slazy and I get
it because I can be that way too, just go
to the show notes and click on that link and
that'll that'll take you to it real quick before I
get into who I voted for. This is the first
(16:24):
time you're doing like two ballots in the sense of
modern side right and vented side. Just kind of explain
to people why that is and might we see that
in some of these other hobby sports.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's possible. It's possible.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well, Tony and I were talking about, you know, when
we were first figuring this out back in the spring,
how do we want to create and present this ballot
for basketball carts, and we figured out, since basketball doesn't
go as far back as baseball, I mean baseball carts,
you can get cards in the eighteen hundreds, we didn't
(17:00):
want to cross over too much of the vintage basketball
cards with a lot of the modern cards, say from
the nineties and two thousands. So we figured out, let's
try it this year to and separate errors. So we
have a vintage error which is from nineteen hundred to
nineteen seventy nine, and a modern Arab ballot which is
nineteen eighty to present day. Now, when we say present day,
(17:23):
there isn't current players on the ballot. The player has
to be a retired player, So Lebron James or Stefan
Curry's cards aren't on the modern araballot, but you would
see someone like Kobe Bryan or Dirk Nowitzki on the ballot.
So we're trying it out see how it works with that,
and if that seems to be doing well, I mean,
(17:44):
who knows, it could present itself or spread over to
other sports as well. But since there isn't a really
long history with basketball cards, you know, maybe back as
far as the thirties, we wanted to do more of
the vintage, separate it from a modern and we didn't
want to just have people voting for a Kobe and
then at Georgia mic and it was two totally different
(18:07):
errors and cards could get missed out. So figuring, you
know what, let's have the Vintage have their own wing
and the modern era have their own wing and just
see how it goes from there. It's kind of like
a trial run of this year. But I think it's
gonna work pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, all right, so let me get into I'm gonna
go through my votes here.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Ray, this was tougher than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And when I opened it up, I'm like, like, I
was already without even seeing the ballot, I had cards
when I thought would be on the ballot. Sure enough,
those cards I was thinking about are on the ballot.
But then there's cards you forget about, and then you
see them on the ballot and you're like, man, this
is not as easy. This is not as chalk as
I initially thought. Now I did sort of vote what
(18:53):
I consider sort of of chalk, and and you know,
I'll start with the Vintage, and you know the first
one that I voted for, I mean It's iconic and
no one will argue with this. I venture a safe
bet this might get in on the first ballot. Let
me put this y. I'd be surprised if it didn't.
(19:15):
That's the forty eight Bowman George Miken. I mean, that's
just one of the most iconic card you know, we
talk about like the fifty two tops man.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh, this is sort of that for basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So like I couldn't not vote for it, you know,
I just that's how I kind of wait in on
my vote, Like, is there any way I cannot vote
for this card and that one? Right? That one just
there was no way I couldn't vote for it the
other one. You know, I'm a rookie card guy, so
my votes tend to slant that way.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And again, folks, I'm sharing who I voted for, but
I want to stress you know, vote for who you want.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm just saying who I vote for. I'm not right
ticking for these.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I might say why I voted for him, but I'm
not telling you who to vote for.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's the beauty of voting. You get to pick who
you want to vote.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm just sharing some of my thoughts of why I
did vote this way, So fifty second one and I'm
not even saying these in a particular order, per se,
but fifty seven tops Bill Russell. This guy's got more
you know, championship rings. He's right there at the top.
I think for as much credit as Bill Russell gets,
(20:31):
I think sometimes maybe not even enough. And I don't
think people know the greatness of Bill Russell. This is
just a great card. Again, I looked at it, I'm like,
I cannot vote for this card. So in my last three,
I hate to do this, but the last three are
all from the same set, and it's the sixty one
(20:54):
Flear and they're just well iconic rookie cards, and so
I kind of lump them all together here. Ray I
went with the Jerry All sixty one flare Jerry West,
Oscar Robinson. And when we talk about underrated players of
all time, Oscar Robertson, this guy averaged a triple double
for like average, like you know guy gets a triple
(21:16):
double nowadays, it's like leads off the you know, sports center.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
This guy averaged the triple double, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
When we talk about the greats of the NBA, he
gets mentioned but not as fast, not as early on
as he should. He's overshadowed by by a lot of
other guys, maybe because he's like, you know, being a
guard and the smaller time.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
But this guy was tremendous. It's actually a card. Speaking
of card, It's on my to get list for my
PC and I'm thinking maybe next year at the Nashville
b when I kind of tried to hone in going
back to the Jerry West.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, he's the logo.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
We just lost him recently. And you know, even regardless
whether he was the logo or not, you can't argue
with the greatness of the player that Jerry Way. He's
a logo because he was a great player. They didn't
just put anyone on there. So and the last one,
Will Chamberlain, I mean, the legend of Will even though
(22:20):
he's been gone and hasn't it seems to grow every
year for some new stat or new thing that comes
up about him off the court or on the court.
He's he's known as the legend. So that's sixty he did,
and that sixty one set is just iconic in its
own right. So those were my five on the vincit side,
(22:44):
and there was others. Ray, anytime you do this, you're
gonna there's others you don't vote for, and you're like,
I could have and you know, and other people are
going and that's what makes it so fun. And many
of the ones that I didn't vote for, you know,
we'll may get in or we'll get in pretty quickly,
whether it be this year or soon after. So but
(23:08):
those five sort of it's it's funny go Before I
even opened up the ballot, those were like, you know,
I was thinking a five to eight cards. We're definent
on the short list, So it's sort of I don't
want to say it made my vote easier, but a
lot of the debate was already in my own mind
was of kind of sorted out. Uh So those were
(23:30):
my five on the ventage side. Now going to uh,
you know, going to the modern side. I feel a
little bit guilty here because one player sort of dominated
my votes, and that's just because he dominated that era.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But let's talk about the cards I voted for.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That he wasn't on. And this one, like you said,
this was at the cusp of the cutoff between what
you considered vintage and modern. But it's an icon of
card I own it. It's the nineteen eight eight one, Yes, Cops,
Bird Magic Rookie. And how many times can you get
two guys of that stature whose rookie card is on
(24:09):
the same piece of cardboard? Right when you think about
all the baseball like rookies like the Bench or the
Ryan or other like moat or Deceiver. And I don't
mean any disrespect by this, but usually whoever else is
on the card didn't pan out, let's say, and so
share that person sharing the card with the Hall of Famer.
(24:32):
But how many times it's very rare that you get,
you know, you could get you could have, you know,
Alan Trammel Lou Whittaker on the same card.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
But when you talk about Larry Bird and.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Magic Johnson and the rivalry and the rivalry between them
as well, I mean, forget that they're both Hall of Famers,
but the Lakers Celtics rivalries of that time period where
it seemed like they were in the finals either every year,
almost every other year, and while they were friends when
the game was on, they weren't friend. They were trying
(25:03):
to beat each other. And I grew up, I'm selfish.
I grew up as a as a young kid during
an era and that wasn't necessarily a Celtics or Lakers fan,
but you couldn't help but like these guys just because
how great the players they were and how competitive they were.
And that card is just you get two guys of
(25:26):
that stature whose rookie card appear on the same piece
of car. I don't there's nothing else I can really
say that that kind of sums it up. So that one,
that one was one of my first votes, and the
other one that I voted for that wasn't of the
same player, and this one was. This one was the
one I debated back and forth before I finally kind
(25:49):
of clicked the box and sent my ballot in the
ninety six ninety seven Tops Chrome Refractor Kobe. And you know,
we all know how great Kobe he was in his
own right, and that's just a great card, right, the
chrome set, the refractor version. And if you're a Kobe
(26:10):
collector or Kobe fan, this is one of the cards
you're trying to add to your collection.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
First, and then you know the other three or all Michael.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Jordan's and uh, you know, as much as you try,
like man, that's as easy, but you can't not vote
for for two of these. Two of these I think
are no brainers, and then someone can argue maybe the third.
The two no brainers for me, Ray were the eighty
four eighty five star Jordan, right, and then obviously the
(26:42):
eighty six eighty seven clear Jordan. And we can you know,
I know there's a debate which ones is true. Rookie,
I think I'm I like, I like the line, like
I say, I'm not kicking either one of those out
of bed. I'll take either one of those any day. Right,
those two were kind of chalk and there's no way
(27:03):
you sort of can't vote for him on the first
ballot of what what you're calling the modern side. The
third one is also a Jordan and my fifth card,
if you will, on the modern side on this one,
like the Kobe I hemmed in hat a little bit
more than the other, uh three if you if you will,
(27:24):
And that's the EX I'm a big fan of EX,
that brand from Flear, But the Jahn Balaya Jordan. It's
the card I've never owned. I've seen it a few times,
more than a few times, but just a great card.
And it's one of those inserts from the nineties that
(27:44):
you never realized how little existed, and you could have
bought him a lot cheaper back then had you had
the foresight to see that, and many of us didn't. Right,
I don't even feel bad admitting that. It's just a
really cool looking card with the round round corner. You know,
it's basically an oval type card and just lent Tickler.
(28:08):
I just that one.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That one's kind of a selfish vote.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That one's just like I like this card, I'm voting
for it. All the other all the other ones like
we're more like to me, like Chalker, it's hard not
to vote. That one was like you know what I mean,
I could have went either way, but that was just
a personal I'm voting. I'm voting for. So that's there's
my ten ten cards that I voted for. Five on
(28:32):
the vintage side, five on the minor, and three. You know,
I really tried, I know, when I was looking over
my mindern vote Ray, I'm like, I've got three Jordan's
here on the ballot, and I feel sort of guilty,
but I just I, you know, I'm like, well, I'm
gonna do this each year, right, so I can maybe
vote for now less Jordan's next year. But the first ballot,
(28:53):
you know, you gotta vote for the Star in the year,
the one. If I feel guilty about any of the
Jordan votes, it's probably the Jumbali. But that one I
just did because I love that. And that's the beauty
of the vote, right we You can whoever's voting, can
can wherever your heart leads you to pick.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
That's I like all those picks. I mean, I got
three of the five in my moment. I mean, I
don't vote, but in my own mind.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
For the Vintage, I had the three of the scene
of the five that you picked. And for the Modern,
uh yeah, I agree on the Magic Bird and Star
Jordan and Fleer Jordan.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And then the other.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Two I was looking at was the Star Barkley and uh.
And it's tough after that, you know, I mean, yeah,
maybe a Star a Keing just kind of rare.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But yeah, that's an underrated card too. He's an underrated guy.
Sometimes we don't talk enough. That's the It's tough. It
is tough. I'm like, I do feel I don't want
to say guilty, but I'm like, I probably I probably
didn't have.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
To vote for the Jambalayah, and I could have went
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But again you always you say, well, next year, I'll
vote for like the Barkley or the Elijah wistcard and
also looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And that sure.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So so that was my I don't want to say
Homer pick, I guess, but that was my one pick
that I probably could have won a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
But I'm like, no, I mean that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So and that's again that's the fun. That's the fun
of the vote. As we kind of come down the
home stretch here, when does the voting close? So people know,
like I got this lound.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So the voting closes on the opening day of the
NBA season, which is October twenty first, at eleven fifty
nine pm Eastern Standard time, So October twenty first, and
then the announcement video will be live on YouTube Friday,
October twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
You go, and it'll be interesting to see out of
the ten I picked, how many, how many get in.
I'm gonna venture safe. I'm gonna venture guests that I'm
batting at least fifty, I would think, so confident. And again, folks,
I'm not telling you to vote for vote wherever your
heart desires. But you know, some of these were just
(31:09):
they're so iconic. It's almost like a to use a
basketball term for me, slam dunk. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So but that's the fun of it, right, And I
think in subsequent years, I think it will get tougher too,
as as those obvious choices get in, then it becomes
less obvious. The water has become more evenly matched with cards. Yeah,
And I think that's you know, when you look at
(31:43):
even the traditional Hall of Fames, like look at some
of the early classes. You know, it was like Ruth
and Cobb and and it was easy because they were
just legend.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think it's kind of like that with cards.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And then after those big guns get in, then it
gets a little tricker because they're all there's more evenly
worthy cards than like you can't vote for all, so yeah,
then you really have to really be diplomatic. So I
think it'll get tougher uh each year and uh and
funner uh each year, just kind of again coming down like, uh,
(32:18):
you know it's hockey next, I got to put you
on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Ask we'll see. I mean, you never know, I mean
it could be boxing.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean, there you go. See I like, but I'm
a I'm a boxing guy more in the heyday, not
to the current state of the state of sport.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But that's been the big question.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Everyone's like, Oh, let me guess what what's coming up
after this?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Hockey Like you never know, Yeah, non spot you can
go nonsports.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So so there's a lot of different directions. People just
have to stay stay tuned. Well way, I appreciate it.
First time I've ever shared my picks. I almost feel
I feel slightly guilty, but not really.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Again, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Was kind of fun and may be explaining sort of
why and the academy of why I want I'm I'm
always gonna slant rookie cards over non rookie card. Now, again,
that doesn't mean I voted in other sports. Is why
I voted for non rookie cards. They're just some cards
that whether guardless of whether rookie or not, that are
(33:19):
still just icons of the hobby that you guess you
got to get them in there. So but that's sort
of my where I lean first, and then after that
it opens it up for everything, so and other people
might think in a different way. And there's no there's
no wrong answer there, right, opinions I always tell people
(33:40):
opinions aren't wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Facts can be wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
If you tell someone you know, there's eighty three states
in the United States, you're wrong, right. But if you say,
if you say Pennsylvania is your favorite state, you're not wrong.
That's your opinion, right, So that's I always say, opinions
aren't wrong, but facts can be. So you're voting, you're
never wrong, right, It's true you vote, so, uh, you
(34:05):
got about you got about a month and a half,
folks to get your votes in. Don't wait that long
and uh, you know, and it'll be fun to see
how the first first ever ballot shakes out. And then
like you said, Ray, what what sport or maybe not sport?
Parentheses Hall of Fame card hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I appreciate you having me on, John, Thank.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You, and let's let's see what maybe after the votes
are in, we can get you back and talk about
where where everything's settled once all the smoke there?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Absolutely, Yeah, all right, Ray, thank you, Yeah, thank you,
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
All right, take care, all right, thank you for listening
to another episode of Hobby Quickts want to give out
our social media starting with our website, which is www
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
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(35:26):
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Speaker 2 (35:28):
Gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Again, thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.
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