August 29, 2025 • 31 mins
Dustin of "Sports Card Dad" is our guest this week.
Talking points on this episode may include:
*The Beginnings
*Approach to content creation and being transparent.
*How you collect and sell
*Sponsorship criticisms
*Spending too much and advice
*NSCC
*Grading space thoughts
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Talking points on this episode may include:
*The Beginnings
*Approach to content creation and being transparent.
*How you collect and sell
*Sponsorship criticisms
*Spending too much and advice
*NSCC
*Grading space thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode three point fifty
one of Sportscardination Podcasts. As always, glad to be back
this week and always have a I say I have
a great guest, but I really do believe that and
feel that, and this week no different. So gentleman I've
(00:40):
been looking forward to having on part one is this week.
And one thing I appreciate about the gentleman on this
week's episode is he kind of calls it like he
sees it, and he's very honest. Even when he's made
mistakes himselves. He's talked about those. And you know, it's
easy to always talk about your w's, right anybody. I
(01:04):
don't want to say anybody, but it's easier to talk
about w's. I think it's harder to talk about l's
or tough spots, and I know I've done it on
this show with you know, different mistakes I've made through
many years of trial and error, and this gentleman is
like that as well. He's you know, adapted and fix
(01:28):
things that were causing some hobby strife, if you will.
And he shared that with his audience and I thought
that was very refreshing. So today's guest, Dustin from Sportscard Dad,
today will be part one of our two part conversation.
So with that being said, let's get to the show,
(02:06):
all right. Excited to have my next gentleman, A next guest,
A gentleman on the sports Car Nation guest line. He's
got he's a content creator in his own right. We
have some things that we h some similarities, we shared,
some criticisms we share that we're going to tackle. Well,
we're gonna talk a gamut of hobby stuff as well.
(02:29):
Dustin sports Car Dad, Welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
John, Thanks for having me on. I've been watching your
show for years. It's kind of a full circle moment
for me. I've been probably watching since I started making content,
like twenty twenty, you know, so it's.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, we're listen, you know, even twenty eighteen here, twenty twenty,
like you just said, those are you know, when we
look at content creation now that's we're like some of
the ogs. Not to pat ourselves on the back, but
you know, I'm sure you've heard that. I've gotten that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Now there's a tough of it, but you know, I
know you'll agree.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Even when you started into two years before that, when
I did, there was a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Less right, a lot less ye to rain with content.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And I think it's a good you know, someone asked me,
is all the content good or bad?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think it's it's both. It can be both.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I guess it depends on the content itself, and that
stuff sort of works itself out, I believe. I mean,
would you give you a chance to sort overs? But
you feel like the same way.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, there's so many different shows and personalities now. I
mean I can remember and you were in it, like
you said in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty, I mean,
I felt like I would put out a video. So
when I started in March twenty twenty, I made kind
of a goal for myself. I'm gonna put out a
video every single day. And it was during the pandemic,
so I had time. And you know, that was my
goal of Hey, I'm gonna start this YouTube channel. I
(03:53):
love talking about cards collectibles. I'm just gonna try to
stick to that one video every single day. It's not
gonna be flashy. It'll be seven to ten minutes, you know,
sometimes they were fifteen. But it was going to be
kind of something that I do as a routine during
the pandemic, and man, there was nothing I would post
and there would be you know, like people also talking
about hobby news and hobby topics. I don't want to
say there was nothing, but there was very Like nowadays,
(04:16):
I post my video and there's it feels like there's
one hundred other channels posting, you know about different various
hobby topic.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And one thing, and I too listened to or watch
a lot of your content as well. One thing I appreciate.
You know, we kind of talk about the parallels and
content creation.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
There's some content creators or shows and all they do
is talk about the winds and all the great purchases
and I bought it for this and I sold it
for that, and they never share like, hey, I lost
on this productor I lost on prospecting this guy, or
I opened the case of that and it was it
was bad, right, And I try to like, you know,
(04:56):
like I'll share good stories but also say, hey, you know,
I shared how I got it ran up a credit
card debt of ten k on opening wax. It didn't
happen overnight, but it snuck up on me. And how
that's one of the reasons I don't open wax anymore.
You learn the hard way. You've been pretty transparent. One
(05:19):
thing again that I really appreciate about you. I try
to be like that, is like, hey, share the whole picture,
not just not just the good parts of the story,
right and hopefully right, hopefully there's more good parts and
bad parts, but you know, tell the whole story rather
than just the good parts. And you did that even
(05:40):
talking about, you know, purchasing too many cards, and you know,
again sneaky, it kind of sneaks up on you talk
about that that instance in your hobby life. And and
was it difficult to really share that like to everyone
else or maybe not not really?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I thought, you know, actually I talked to my wife
before I posted that video, and she said, you know,
you're gonna get a You could get a lot of
blowback on that video. You know, you might get a
lot of people that laugh at you or think that
you're an idiot or any of that. And I was thinking, though,
but you know, I can't be the only one. I've
got it. There's got it's got to be relatable and
it's honest, and it's what's going on. And that's what
(06:22):
when I started my channel it was. It was never
to be your hobby card expert, because I'm not an
expert now and I wasn't five years ago. So you know,
it was always like, hey, this is my journey. I'm
buying and selling these cards. I'm flipping these to buy that.
And you know, back in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,
it was easy to flip cards. I was like, Man,
I'm great at this. Everybody was great at it. If
(06:43):
you had bought any cards like prior to twenty twenty,
they went up in price, you could sell them and
you had I'm sure you had a lot of cards
that appreciated heading into twenty twenty one. You know, so
I was able to flip cards like a lot of people.
But you know what happened was is we got kind
of towards the end of twenty twenty one to start
to pull back. I was making money from my channel,
so that was helping to kind of subsidize buys, but
(07:05):
I still wasn't being careful enough with and I wasn't
being It's not as if I was spending the mortgage
money on cards. I was still paying the bills, but
there was disposable income there that just went to cards.
And I wasn't having a conversation with my wife about it.
And it could look, You've got a family. I've got
a family. There's always there's always money to go somewhere
(07:26):
for the kids. It can go to retirement or college vacation,
it can go to fix the house and go anywhere.
So the fact that I wasn't being transparent enough with
her about my spending and again, and I was trying
to be transparent that video to that first video, and
this was I think January of twenty twenty two, so
about three years ago is when I made it. I
(07:47):
was trying to be transparent in that I wasn't losing
the house, you know, it wasn't. I wasn't trying to
be overly dramatic, but I was trying to just be
honest about you know, because I felt like this could
be something that could happen to anybody. And this was
buying single This wasn't buying into breaks, this wasn't buying
into repacks, and into hobby boxes, which frankly, I mean
if you look at the marketing and the hobby I mean,
(08:08):
that's really what that's the target, that's the that's really
where they're trying to get you in is is for
more of the gambling products. And so I wanted to
also share, Hey, look, it's not just that I'm getting
sucked in on just buying singles and I'm still you know,
the kind of overspending in the sense that I wasn't
being honest with my wife and transparent. You know, boxes
(08:28):
are coming in the mail and running up the stairs
with them, you know, and the people will joke about
that online, but you know, you got to find a
balance with it, you know. And so I shared that
video and I ended up getting a great response from it.
Actually I did get a little bit of blowback, but
it wasn't it wasn't. It was like ninety percent you know, positive,
thanks for sharing. In ten percent was kind of like,
you know, they laughed at me, and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well at ten percent, Dustin would have complained about whatever
in that video, I believe, right, there's that segment. Yeah,
I mean, I mean that's just the negative it is.
It is what it is. I took from it like
it's a very human moment, and you were using it
sort of as a teaching moment, like, hey, this can happen.
(09:10):
I don't care who you are. I don't know, it
doesn't matter your income level. I mean it was nice,
you know, it was good that it wasn't affecting like
your your living arrangements or food on the table.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But you know what the sad thing is, there are.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
People who even go even further than what you were were,
you know, uh, sharing where that that is what's happening,
and it's it's ended relationships and marriages. It's caused problems
in households to to even a different level. And I
appreciated that, you know, I I don't know how easier
(09:45):
heart it was, but you know, I commend it. I
commend you for it because I don't think it's I
don't think anyone can do that. And you did it,
and you did it in a way where you put
yourself out there knowing like some people are gonna like
be critic but it also it's probably a bunch of
people when I'm sure you got some of this feedback
right that said, hey, I'm I'm sort of in that
(10:07):
same boat Dustin like, oh yeah, ok, thanks for you know,
turning that light bulb by, and then we realize like
this is happening, and you know, so I'm sure, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah. In a weird way, it so it's embarrassing obviously
you're sharing it to the public, but it's also an
accountability measure in a way too, because I've shared it
publicly and my wife is you know, my wife knows.
I've shared it publicly, like my friends know, like people know,
and so now it's almost like, Okay, I put that
out there so people know, you know, so I have to.
(10:40):
It also helps me to check myself because I have
shared that information that I have a I need to
kind of watch things a little bit, and it did
help me.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We basically we just kind of rebudgeted the way that
it happened. I made that video I think like the
first week of January, and what we always do is
at the end of the year, the calendar year, we
take a look at our you know, what the money
coming in, the money going out, what are we investing
here and there, and the debts and this and that,
and trying to figure out where money is going, and
and that's where we were like, damn, you know, you
spend a lot of money on cards this year, you know,
(11:09):
And so that's where we had that conversation, and then
you know, it turned into, Okay, we need to kind
of make some adjustments. We made the adjustments. I stuck
to that, and that's kind of but it helped me
to stick to it because I was public with it,
you know, and I think that was so I was
breaking it to her, but I was also breaking it
to my hobby friends and viewers. So it's it's it's
(11:30):
kind of a it's embarrassing, but it's also can be
a helpful tool as well.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I and I get the embarrassing even when I talked
about that whax that that was that was run up.
You know, it's not nothing you're proud of, right, but
it's also I was using it as and I'm sure
you were your your story right, as a teaching moment
like this stuff can happen, doesn't matter who you are,
where you live, even in other hobbies.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm sure there's.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Similar stories and all you know, part the life, so
you know the difference. You know, it's funny and I've
told the story in the air, and I'll make I'll
make this shorter than when I tell it. When I
was dating my wife, she wasn't even my fiance yet,
or no, she was my fiance. I've had a business
account since I was fifteen. That's when I did my
(12:18):
first card show. And I remember we were at the
dinner table out somewhere and she goes, what are you
going to do with your business account? And I'm like,
what do you mean? What am I going to do
with my business account? And she goes, well, like marriage
is a partnership, and I'm like, it is. I'm one
hundred percent in agreement with that. But the you know,
(12:39):
the hobby, Like what if we're going to be partners
in the hobby, what are you gonna do? Are like,
you're gonna help me ship or pack? No, I'm like well,
And at the time, Dustin she was a little like peeved,
like it wasn't you know. I wasn't rude about it,
but I was like, no, you know, it's gonna be separate.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think she at the time she was viewing it
as like an escape hatch, like if this doesn't work out,
like he can just he's.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Got a little you know, live on that and leave
and blah blah blah, Which that's not what it's for.
And I said to her, I said, you don't realize that today,
but you're gonna really appreciate that I have this separate account.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Today.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You don't, but someday you will. And so when I
talk about, like when I bought my Jackie Rookie, like
that came out of my money, not the joint account money.
When I ran up that big bit that debt, that
didn't come out of the joint money, or i'd be
you know, and again you didn't. It wasn't affecting your
(13:39):
in the same thing here, wasn't affected me paying my
bills or putting food on the table and that sort
of thing. Well, what's nice is that I handled it
without affecting like our interior joint account finding. So when
I bought that Jackie Rookie, which was now almost three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know she did.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
She doesn't know a lot about cards, and you know,
she's very supportive, but she doesn't know, you know, what
something's worth. But I'm like, hey, I got my rail
card and I showed it to her. Oh that's you
know that's cool. And she rarely will ask, you know,
doesn't like if I do a show like a card
show as a dealer, like she might ask how you
do in general terms, like it was a good Yeah,
(14:21):
it was a great show. But she I give her credit.
She never asked like, hey, how much money did you make?
Or how great was it?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well? With the Jackie card like the leaf, She's like,
how much did that cost? Can I ask?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And then when I told her like her jaw hit
the floor, And I'm like, now you liked that business
account because none of those not one dollar came from
our money. That was off from you know, being a dealer,
some content creation. She goes, yeah, I get it now.
I'm like, you didn't get it, you know, twenty three
(14:53):
years ago or twenty two years ago, but you know,
she gets it now.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So that that sort of keeps me out of trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And and I think too, you know, and obviously I've I've
eliminated that credit card depth and you learn I'm not
doing I'm not going back there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You go down in an alley and you get you
get hit over the head with a bat, and then
you run down the alley again, get hit over that
at some point the light bulb goes on, like I'm
not going in that alley uh anymore. So for me,
it was that, you know, opening wax and buying boxes and.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Don't get me wrong, We've all opened up one of
the most you know, fun things to do in the hobby.
But when the smoke clears, the dust settles, Uh, there's
a bill to pay. And I learned sometimes the bills
more than what you get, and so I use it.
I you and I assure you did this with with
your story. It's like a cautionary tale, like be careful.
(15:49):
I was able to pay that up. You were able
to get a game plan and make sure that it
doesn't happen again. Sometimes maybe people can't do that, and
then it's it could be too late. So uh, you know,
I I looked at both of those stories, well different
in terms of but similar as they can be teaching moments, right,
(16:12):
so maybe prevent someone else a heartache or financial strain.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well. And I think it's challenging too because most people
are using their job money, you know, for the hobby.
If and so if you're going to have the hobby
pay for itself, you're either making money flipping cards or
you know, buying and selling cards, which you know, then
you'll have people like, oh, you're a flipper or this
and that. You know, you're not a collector. But it's like,
this is a buy, sell trade hobby, you know. I
(16:39):
mean you can't. Not everybody can. Just we're not all,
you know, zillionaires. I can just keep on pumping money
into it, you know. I mean some people can, and
that's great, but you know, for most people, you're buying, selling, trading,
and that's fun, but that's also funding your PC items
or you know or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
For us, we have content that's helping to pay, you know,
for for the hobby. So you know, but that's the
hobby paying for itself. You know. If if we didn't
have I can't speak for you, but if if my
channel wasn't, what if it didn't grow the way that
it did, I wouldn't have the collection I've got. I
just wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So as the channel has grown, that's given me the
ability to get better cards and to get better collectibles
and other things. You know. But if that didn't happen. Then,
you know, like I would be out of luck. I
wouldn't have the same sort of collection unless I would
have to find another way. I'd have to be a
prolific flipper. I'd have to be you know, I'd have
to find another way. So it's it's challenging.
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Speaker 1 (18:08):
Thanks for sticking with us. Let's return to the show.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm pretty transparent why I won't give out figures in
that I've you know, the show has sponsor, it gets
paid per download and all that good stuff. I don't
hide behind that or deny it. That's true, But a
lot like you just said, Dustin, and some people we're
going to talk about this a little bit might be
critical of that, but a good percentage of that, if
not in some cases all of it, depending on the
(18:38):
time of year, month, goes right back in the hobby
and transacts the hobby and keeps that going. I've been
you know, I hear the term, and I'm sure you've
heard it right true collector If you sell cards, you're
not a true collector, which I actually disagree with. I'm
surrounded by cards, some of them are on camera now
(18:59):
I have a PC. There's when I do a show,
like you know, there's a lot of stuff that's not
with me at the show that will never be at
the show with me, and and those are PC items.
And so a lot of times, you know I have
a good show, that money goes back into shoot for
new show inventory and also goes into PC items, and
(19:22):
those are transactions. But I always laugh like when people say, oh,
you're not a true collector if you sell something, and
I laugh at that because you know what, you you
got to get your cards from from someone who's saying
that you got to get your cards from somewhere, You're
probably buying them from from somebody most likely whether that's
if it's wax, you're buying that from a wax dealer,
(19:45):
or singles, you're buying.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It from a dealer.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So I don't I once asked somebody like, what is
the definition of a true collector?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, what is it?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know, tell me, you know, we I'm in New York.
So a lot of people say, oh, he's a true Yankee.
And I I always thought of true Yankee as someone
that's drafted by them, stays in the system, and then
comes up in place for the organization. You know, when
you ask a Yankee fan, you know, they all have
like different definition.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh just see epitomizes what you know. So whenever I.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Ask someone to mentioned true collector, they either hamaha, don't
have a really good definition, or they say, you don't sell.
True collectors don't sell their cards. And there's very few
people who've never sold, even people who aren't necessarily card
sellers have have sold the cards. So like to say that,
I always kind of, you know, shrug my shoulders, like
(20:38):
I'm sure you've heard.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I mean it's all relative too. I mean, you know,
a lot of the collectors you know that I've seen,
you know, I mean they're financially established, they're you know,
they're they're older. You know, they might be fifty to
fifty five, sixty plus, and they don't really need the money,
you know, I mean, and or maybe they're younger, maybe
they're thirty, but they're lower end cards, you know, Like
(21:01):
so I could have binders of lower end cards and
technically I'm not I don't need to sell them. You know,
maybe they're fifty cent dollars cards that go on the binder.
So it really depends on the situation. But you know,
it's it's kind of you know, to be a long
term holder, you you know, you have to be financially
established if you're buying mid end to high end stuff.
If you're buying mid end to high end stuff, you know,
(21:23):
then I just don't know lots of people that are
twenty twenty five that are are set up in life
to where they're ready to, you know, to have long
term holds on high end stuff. You know, most of
the twenty five year olds are flipping because they're building
a life. You know, they're building a they're building a
business in the hobby, or they're doing it as a
side hustle, or they're about to start a family or
(21:44):
I mean, like you and I we're I'm gonna be
forty five next year, you know, like I'm done having kids.
You know, like I'm kind of on the you know,
I'm on the back the back nine. You know, we're
on the back nine, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So I'm on I'm on the back three.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, so I could too.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So we've kind of gotten established to where we can
hold some cards. Now I'm not I'm not trying to
hold every last thing, but I mean we there are
certain cards, like you're Jackie for example, that's a card
that you you don't necessarily need to move on that card,
you know. So I just think it's all it's all relative,
you know. And but most of the time, you know,
to be financially established, you're not twenty, You're you're older,
(22:22):
and you've you've you've got some years on some of
the other people.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, no doubt. It's a it's a great point.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And you know, hobby your way right again, try to
stay out of trouble, you know, try to be financially sound.
And but you're right, I think that younger set and
you know you mentioned the national I mean even like
that's coming to we're recording this before the event.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This will probably air after the fact.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But you know, even for me, like I like to
go to the National and buy a couple decent cards,
you know, four figures, but to do that, and I've
talked about it, it's not a secret. I've even read
about it in an article, Like I really don't buy
anything of significance the three months before the National, just
just putting money away.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Saving it up.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, and I've gotten better listen, full disclosure. I've gotten
better as an older person doing that than the younger
version of me that would do it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I even I have a I share this with someone.
I stole this from a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He's going to Las Vegas like two to three times
a year, and you know, he had a decent job.
But I'm like, how are you going on all these
trips in Vegas? And he's like the dollar end below.
I'm like the dollar reen below the Oshian. He told
me what he does is every day that when he's
home for the day and he's not going back out,
any ones he has in his pocket, he puts in
(23:48):
an envelope and forgets about him.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
At the end of the year, he banned.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, you put him in bands of fifty and
he says, I have it depends on the year, but
anywhere from like nine hundred to fifteen hundred bucks. He goes,
you ought to do it. He goes, you know, you
save money. You don't even realize it, like there're ones.
And I said, you know what I'm gonna do. And
this was even before I was going in the national dust.
And I did it. And the first year I did it,
there was like five six hundred bucks there without even
(24:14):
like me thinking about it at a year and I'm like, man,
I didn't even like realize that. So I've done it
for now for like eighteen years, and I do that
and that becomes national money. I put you know, I
do a card show as a dealer, and it's a
good show. Obviously, I put my sales tax money aside.
I put money aside to buy new inventory for the showcases,
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and then I put money aside, Hey, this is going
for end of July and August for the Nashville. I
sort of sort of plan ahead more so than the
younger version of me that would just kind of fly
by the seat in my pant. It helps me to
go to the Nashville right and have some some going
to spend and have fun.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And again it's not even all card, it's right, there's
other obviously expension flights, hotels, Uh you're well aware, and
uh dinners and and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That stuff will will add up.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So so if you know, if you don't save and like, hey,
I'm going and you know you hear and I've heard
these hard stories, I'm sure you have to put the
national people just run like credit card bills way up
and then after after they get back home, they're like,
I got to pay this all back, and.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I have a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't want to, you know, be disingenuous, but not
where I'm like really fretting over, like, oh my god,
I've I've already had a lot of cash that I
brought with or money and you know, whether it be
a PayPal or other cash account where I don't have
to use my credit card that much and I'm not
sweating it when when that bill comes. But some people
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really fund the whole trip and what they buy on
that and then and then worry about it after the fact.
I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
do that, so I get in real trouble.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's tough. Yeah, it's the It's it's the greatest show
on turf. It's like, you know, it's the mecca. It's
I mean, everything is there. I can and I can
see you just you know, getting kind of caught up
with you know, you're there with your buddies. You see
a card you've been wanting, you're kind of mulling it over.
I've I've helped my friend, my friend Flipping Steve, he
bought a Willie May's Rookie card at the Philly Card Show. Now,
he was planning to buy it, so it's not as
(26:23):
if I and he's really careful with his money, and
but I helped him buy it. I was telling him,
I'm like, dude, this is the best copy in the
whole show. You know, I'm like talking him into it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Pressure, Yeah, pressure.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
He had the money and he you know, like he
was wanting to buy one, but he was kind of
on the fence, like, man, is this the one. I'm like,
this is the one, dude, this is the best.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Like so that's probably happening every year at the National.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, and sometimes you need that that's that's a good thing,
even like not to he referring back to the Jackie,
but even even with the Jackie, had my friend Danny Black,
who was like, it was a it was really a
decent deal. But I was having that self doubt right,
and I'm like, you asked for someone else, Hey, what
do you think here?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's like, dude, that's you've been looking for this card.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It presents well, you're not going to get it cheaper
in that at this point, like you know, you're either
gonna get it or just forget about it, like and
move on.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And like sometimes you need that, you need that person.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's sort of because I think we're we have that
sort of you know, the two voices on the shoulder, right,
ones like hey, pull the trigger, and the other's like,
oh man, I don't know, think about this, and it
becomes a tug of war. Sometimes we need that outside
opinion like hey, that's a pretty good deal and and
and other side that coin right now, I think you
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could get a better one, maybe even for a better price.
Sometimes I'll help you to not make a transaction.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So what's kind of weird though too about those types
of cards, Like what you're talking about is it's almost
easier for me to buy a card like that, where
it's a genuine store of value, you know, whereas if
you bought ten cards that are let's say they're five
hundred dollars each, and that you buy ten cards over time,
maybe they hold up, maybe they don't, maybe they go
down to two hundred or something. But that's an iconic card.
(28:09):
So even though that might be and I don't know
how much you paid, let's say it's a five thousand
dollars card, that's a hell of a lot of money.
But you know, it's kind of like when you're telling
your wife, when you're telling your family, you can turn
right around and sell it. It's worth it's worth what
it's worth, like you know, I mean, like it's funny
to hold that. It's a great it's a great point.
You hit it right on the head dust.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And it's funny you mentioned that too, because when I'm
going back to the story when I told my wife
and I'll be I'll be honest now it's it's I mean,
you can look it up and find out it was
seventy seven hundred at the time. It's actually like you said,
it's actually more now if I was to resell it.
So when I told my wife what it costs and
her jaw hit the forum, I'm like, hey, now you
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now you know why I have that separate account so
none of that came out of our account. But she goes,
you paid that much for one piece of cardboard, one
card like she'd doesn't understand the whole who it is
and the you know, the iconic of the of the
of the car. But what you just said is exactly
what I told her. I'm like, yes, I paid that,
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but like tomorrow I could probably get it all bay.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's almost like it's still money. It's just in a
different form.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Any time you need to to liquid date if that's
what I chose to do, you know it's still there.
It's not like when you go to a restaurant you
have a great steak and it costs you fifty to
eighty bucks at like it's you know, Morton Steakhouse. The
steak may be great, you enjoyed your two or three
hours there with whoever you're with or your family, but
(29:39):
the stake's gone, like you're not like it's you know,
it might be worth the bill you paid at the
end of the night. But it's also gone. You got
nothing to show for it other than it's like a
great memory.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Other hobbies that meant, you know, voting, golf. You know,
you go play golf. Yeah, you have fun, You have
a nice round of golf. It's probably a couple it's
a few hundred bucks, and that adds up if you
play a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Voting, don't even get me started. Voting. Like my dad's
my dad's a fisherman and he's got a vote. He's
got to pay to gass it up. He's got to
pay to you know, like he loves it. He loves it,
but that money's gone once you spend it on voting.
You have the experiences, but he can't get money back.
It's gone.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Whereas the cardboard you can get the you can get
money back.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And when I explain that to her, you know, uh,
it made it a little not that it was her
money anyway, but she got the light bulb went on,
so to speak, a little bit. But uh, you know,
she got a little bit probably when I had to
do more explaining. Had that come out of like an account.
Oh yeah, all right, that concludes part one of our
conversation with dustin sports card Dad. But if you enjoyed that, uh,
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you know, come back next week. We'll have part two
as well. So with that being said, we're gonna have
our hobby is the People Announcer of the Week next
And some closing thoughts. If you want to be a
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just send me an MP three or way file of
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All right, let's hear from our hobbies the people announcer
of the week.
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Sports Guarnation.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode three point fifty
one of Sportscardination Podcasts. As always, glad to be back
this week and always have a I say I have
a great guest, but I really do believe that and
feel that, and this week no different. So gentleman I've
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been looking forward to having on part one is this week.
And one thing I appreciate about the gentleman on this
week's episode is he kind of calls it like he
sees it, and he's very honest. Even when he's made
mistakes himselves. He's talked about those. And you know, it's
easy to always talk about your w's, right anybody. I
(01:04):
don't want to say anybody, but it's easier to talk
about w's. I think it's harder to talk about l's
or tough spots, and I know I've done it on
this show with you know, different mistakes I've made through
many years of trial and error, and this gentleman is
like that as well. He's you know, adapted and fix
(01:28):
things that were causing some hobby strife, if you will.
And he shared that with his audience and I thought
that was very refreshing. So today's guest, Dustin from Sportscard Dad,
today will be part one of our two part conversation.
So with that being said, let's get to the show,
(02:06):
all right. Excited to have my next gentleman, A next guest,
A gentleman on the sports Car Nation guest line. He's
got he's a content creator in his own right. We
have some things that we h some similarities, we shared,
some criticisms we share that we're going to tackle. Well,
we're gonna talk a gamut of hobby stuff as well.
(02:29):
Dustin sports Car Dad, Welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
John, Thanks for having me on. I've been watching your
show for years. It's kind of a full circle moment
for me. I've been probably watching since I started making content,
like twenty twenty, you know, so it's.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, we're listen, you know, even twenty eighteen here, twenty twenty,
like you just said, those are you know, when we
look at content creation now that's we're like some of
the ogs. Not to pat ourselves on the back, but
you know, I'm sure you've heard that. I've gotten that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Now there's a tough of it, but you know, I
know you'll agree.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Even when you started into two years before that, when
I did, there was a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Less right, a lot less ye to rain with content.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And I think it's a good you know, someone asked me,
is all the content good or bad?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think it's it's both. It can be both.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I guess it depends on the content itself, and that
stuff sort of works itself out, I believe. I mean,
would you give you a chance to sort overs? But
you feel like the same way.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, there's so many different shows and personalities now. I
mean I can remember and you were in it, like
you said in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty, I mean,
I felt like I would put out a video. So
when I started in March twenty twenty, I made kind
of a goal for myself. I'm gonna put out a
video every single day. And it was during the pandemic,
so I had time. And you know, that was my
goal of Hey, I'm gonna start this YouTube channel. I
(03:53):
love talking about cards collectibles. I'm just gonna try to
stick to that one video every single day. It's not
gonna be flashy. It'll be seven to ten minutes, you know,
sometimes they were fifteen. But it was going to be
kind of something that I do as a routine during
the pandemic, and man, there was nothing I would post
and there would be you know, like people also talking
about hobby news and hobby topics. I don't want to
say there was nothing, but there was very Like nowadays,
(04:16):
I post my video and there's it feels like there's
one hundred other channels posting, you know about different various
hobby topic.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And one thing, and I too listened to or watch
a lot of your content as well. One thing I appreciate.
You know, we kind of talk about the parallels and
content creation.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
There's some content creators or shows and all they do
is talk about the winds and all the great purchases
and I bought it for this and I sold it
for that, and they never share like, hey, I lost
on this productor I lost on prospecting this guy, or
I opened the case of that and it was it
was bad, right, And I try to like, you know,
(04:56):
like I'll share good stories but also say, hey, you know,
I shared how I got it ran up a credit
card debt of ten k on opening wax. It didn't
happen overnight, but it snuck up on me. And how
that's one of the reasons I don't open wax anymore.
You learn the hard way. You've been pretty transparent. One
(05:19):
thing again that I really appreciate about you. I try
to be like that, is like, hey, share the whole picture,
not just not just the good parts of the story,
right and hopefully right, hopefully there's more good parts and
bad parts, but you know, tell the whole story rather
than just the good parts. And you did that even
(05:40):
talking about, you know, purchasing too many cards, and you know,
again sneaky, it kind of sneaks up on you talk
about that that instance in your hobby life. And and
was it difficult to really share that like to everyone
else or maybe not not really?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I thought, you know, actually I talked to my wife
before I posted that video, and she said, you know,
you're gonna get a You could get a lot of
blowback on that video. You know, you might get a
lot of people that laugh at you or think that
you're an idiot or any of that. And I was thinking, though,
but you know, I can't be the only one. I've
got it. There's got it's got to be relatable and
it's honest, and it's what's going on. And that's what
(06:22):
when I started my channel it was. It was never
to be your hobby card expert, because I'm not an
expert now and I wasn't five years ago. So you know,
it was always like, hey, this is my journey. I'm
buying and selling these cards. I'm flipping these to buy that.
And you know, back in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,
it was easy to flip cards. I was like, Man,
I'm great at this. Everybody was great at it. If
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you had bought any cards like prior to twenty twenty,
they went up in price, you could sell them and
you had I'm sure you had a lot of cards
that appreciated heading into twenty twenty one. You know, so
I was able to flip cards like a lot of people.
But you know what happened was is we got kind
of towards the end of twenty twenty one to start
to pull back. I was making money from my channel,
so that was helping to kind of subsidize buys, but
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I still wasn't being careful enough with and I wasn't
being It's not as if I was spending the mortgage
money on cards. I was still paying the bills, but
there was disposable income there that just went to cards.
And I wasn't having a conversation with my wife about it.
And it could look, You've got a family. I've got
a family. There's always there's always money to go somewhere
(07:26):
for the kids. It can go to retirement or college vacation,
it can go to fix the house and go anywhere.
So the fact that I wasn't being transparent enough with
her about my spending and again, and I was trying
to be transparent that video to that first video, and
this was I think January of twenty twenty two, so
about three years ago is when I made it. I
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was trying to be transparent in that I wasn't losing
the house, you know, it wasn't. I wasn't trying to
be overly dramatic, but I was trying to just be
honest about you know, because I felt like this could
be something that could happen to anybody. And this was
buying single This wasn't buying into breaks, this wasn't buying
into repacks, and into hobby boxes, which frankly, I mean
if you look at the marketing and the hobby I mean,
(08:08):
that's really what that's the target, that's the that's really
where they're trying to get you in is is for
more of the gambling products. And so I wanted to
also share, Hey, look, it's not just that I'm getting
sucked in on just buying singles and I'm still you know,
the kind of overspending in the sense that I wasn't
being honest with my wife and transparent. You know, boxes
(08:28):
are coming in the mail and running up the stairs
with them, you know, and the people will joke about
that online, but you know, you got to find a
balance with it, you know. And so I shared that
video and I ended up getting a great response from it.
Actually I did get a little bit of blowback, but
it wasn't it wasn't. It was like ninety percent you know, positive,
thanks for sharing. In ten percent was kind of like,
you know, they laughed at me, and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well at ten percent, Dustin would have complained about whatever
in that video, I believe, right, there's that segment. Yeah,
I mean, I mean that's just the negative it is.
It is what it is. I took from it like
it's a very human moment, and you were using it
sort of as a teaching moment, like, hey, this can happen.
(09:10):
I don't care who you are. I don't know, it
doesn't matter your income level. I mean it was nice,
you know, it was good that it wasn't affecting like
your your living arrangements or food on the table.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But you know what the sad thing is, there are.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
People who even go even further than what you were were,
you know, uh, sharing where that that is what's happening,
and it's it's ended relationships and marriages. It's caused problems
in households to to even a different level. And I
appreciated that, you know, I I don't know how easier
(09:45):
heart it was, but you know, I commend it. I
commend you for it because I don't think it's I
don't think anyone can do that. And you did it,
and you did it in a way where you put
yourself out there knowing like some people are gonna like
be critic but it also it's probably a bunch of
people when I'm sure you got some of this feedback
right that said, hey, I'm I'm sort of in that
(10:07):
same boat Dustin like, oh yeah, ok, thanks for you know,
turning that light bulb by, and then we realize like
this is happening, and you know, so I'm sure, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah. In a weird way, it so it's embarrassing obviously
you're sharing it to the public, but it's also an
accountability measure in a way too, because I've shared it
publicly and my wife is you know, my wife knows.
I've shared it publicly, like my friends know, like people know,
and so now it's almost like, Okay, I put that
out there so people know, you know, so I have to.
(10:40):
It also helps me to check myself because I have
shared that information that I have a I need to
kind of watch things a little bit, and it did
help me.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We basically we just kind of rebudgeted the way that
it happened. I made that video I think like the
first week of January, and what we always do is
at the end of the year, the calendar year, we
take a look at our you know, what the money
coming in, the money going out, what are we investing
here and there, and the debts and this and that,
and trying to figure out where money is going, and
and that's where we were like, damn, you know, you
spend a lot of money on cards this year, you know,
(11:09):
And so that's where we had that conversation, and then
you know, it turned into, Okay, we need to kind
of make some adjustments. We made the adjustments. I stuck
to that, and that's kind of but it helped me
to stick to it because I was public with it,
you know, and I think that was so I was
breaking it to her, but I was also breaking it
to my hobby friends and viewers. So it's it's it's
(11:30):
kind of a it's embarrassing, but it's also can be
a helpful tool as well.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I and I get the embarrassing even when I talked
about that whax that that was that was run up.
You know, it's not nothing you're proud of, right, but
it's also I was using it as and I'm sure
you were your your story right, as a teaching moment
like this stuff can happen, doesn't matter who you are,
where you live, even in other hobbies.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm sure there's.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Similar stories and all you know, part the life, so
you know the difference. You know, it's funny and I've
told the story in the air, and I'll make I'll
make this shorter than when I tell it. When I
was dating my wife, she wasn't even my fiance yet,
or no, she was my fiance. I've had a business
account since I was fifteen. That's when I did my
(12:18):
first card show. And I remember we were at the
dinner table out somewhere and she goes, what are you
going to do with your business account? And I'm like,
what do you mean? What am I going to do
with my business account? And she goes, well, like marriage
is a partnership, and I'm like, it is. I'm one
hundred percent in agreement with that. But the you know,
(12:39):
the hobby, Like what if we're going to be partners
in the hobby, what are you gonna do? Are like,
you're gonna help me ship or pack? No, I'm like well,
And at the time, Dustin she was a little like peeved,
like it wasn't you know. I wasn't rude about it,
but I was like, no, you know, it's gonna be separate.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think she at the time she was viewing it
as like an escape hatch, like if this doesn't work out,
like he can just he's.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Got a little you know, live on that and leave
and blah blah blah, Which that's not what it's for.
And I said to her, I said, you don't realize that today,
but you're gonna really appreciate that I have this separate account.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Today.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You don't, but someday you will. And so when I
talk about, like when I bought my Jackie Rookie, like
that came out of my money, not the joint account money.
When I ran up that big bit that debt, that
didn't come out of the joint money, or i'd be
you know, and again you didn't. It wasn't affecting your
(13:39):
in the same thing here, wasn't affected me paying my
bills or putting food on the table and that sort
of thing. Well, what's nice is that I handled it
without affecting like our interior joint account finding. So when
I bought that Jackie Rookie, which was now almost three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know she did.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
She doesn't know a lot about cards, and you know,
she's very supportive, but she doesn't know, you know, what
something's worth. But I'm like, hey, I got my rail
card and I showed it to her. Oh that's you
know that's cool. And she rarely will ask, you know,
doesn't like if I do a show like a card
show as a dealer, like she might ask how you
do in general terms, like it was a good Yeah,
(14:21):
it was a great show. But she I give her credit.
She never asked like, hey, how much money did you make?
Or how great was it?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well? With the Jackie card like the leaf, She's like,
how much did that cost? Can I ask?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And then when I told her like her jaw hit
the floor, And I'm like, now you liked that business
account because none of those not one dollar came from
our money. That was off from you know, being a dealer,
some content creation. She goes, yeah, I get it now.
I'm like, you didn't get it, you know, twenty three
(14:53):
years ago or twenty two years ago, but you know,
she gets it now.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So that that sort of keeps me out of trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And and I think too, you know, and obviously I've I've
eliminated that credit card depth and you learn I'm not
doing I'm not going back there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You go down in an alley and you get you
get hit over the head with a bat, and then
you run down the alley again, get hit over that
at some point the light bulb goes on, like I'm
not going in that alley uh anymore. So for me,
it was that, you know, opening wax and buying boxes and.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Don't get me wrong, We've all opened up one of
the most you know, fun things to do in the hobby.
But when the smoke clears, the dust settles, Uh, there's
a bill to pay. And I learned sometimes the bills
more than what you get, and so I use it.
I you and I assure you did this with with
your story. It's like a cautionary tale, like be careful.
(15:49):
I was able to pay that up. You were able
to get a game plan and make sure that it
doesn't happen again. Sometimes maybe people can't do that, and
then it's it could be too late. So uh, you know,
I I looked at both of those stories, well different
in terms of but similar as they can be teaching moments, right,
(16:12):
so maybe prevent someone else a heartache or financial strain.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well. And I think it's challenging too because most people
are using their job money, you know, for the hobby.
If and so if you're going to have the hobby
pay for itself, you're either making money flipping cards or
you know, buying and selling cards, which you know, then
you'll have people like, oh, you're a flipper or this
and that. You know, you're not a collector. But it's like,
this is a buy, sell trade hobby, you know. I
(16:39):
mean you can't. Not everybody can. Just we're not all,
you know, zillionaires. I can just keep on pumping money
into it, you know. I mean some people can, and
that's great, but you know, for most people, you're buying, selling, trading,
and that's fun, but that's also funding your PC items
or you know or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
For us, we have content that's helping to pay, you know,
for for the hobby. So you know, but that's the
hobby paying for itself. You know. If if we didn't
have I can't speak for you, but if if my
channel wasn't, what if it didn't grow the way that
it did, I wouldn't have the collection I've got. I
just wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So as the channel has grown, that's given me the
ability to get better cards and to get better collectibles
and other things. You know. But if that didn't happen. Then,
you know, like I would be out of luck. I
wouldn't have the same sort of collection unless I would
have to find another way. I'd have to be a
prolific flipper. I'd have to be you know, I'd have
to find another way. So it's it's challenging.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
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Speaker 1 (18:08):
Thanks for sticking with us. Let's return to the show.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm pretty transparent why I won't give out figures in
that I've you know, the show has sponsor, it gets
paid per download and all that good stuff. I don't
hide behind that or deny it. That's true, But a
lot like you just said, Dustin, and some people we're
going to talk about this a little bit might be
critical of that, but a good percentage of that, if
not in some cases all of it, depending on the
(18:38):
time of year, month, goes right back in the hobby
and transacts the hobby and keeps that going. I've been
you know, I hear the term, and I'm sure you've
heard it right true collector If you sell cards, you're
not a true collector, which I actually disagree with. I'm
surrounded by cards, some of them are on camera now
(18:59):
I have a PC. There's when I do a show,
like you know, there's a lot of stuff that's not
with me at the show that will never be at
the show with me, and and those are PC items.
And so a lot of times, you know I have
a good show, that money goes back into shoot for
new show inventory and also goes into PC items, and
(19:22):
those are transactions. But I always laugh like when people say, oh,
you're not a true collector if you sell something, and
I laugh at that because you know what, you you
got to get your cards from from someone who's saying
that you got to get your cards from somewhere, You're
probably buying them from from somebody most likely whether that's
if it's wax, you're buying that from a wax dealer,
(19:45):
or singles, you're buying.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It from a dealer.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So I don't I once asked somebody like, what is
the definition of a true collector?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, what is it?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know, tell me, you know, we I'm in New York.
So a lot of people say, oh, he's a true Yankee.
And I I always thought of true Yankee as someone
that's drafted by them, stays in the system, and then
comes up in place for the organization. You know, when
you ask a Yankee fan, you know, they all have
like different definition.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh just see epitomizes what you know. So whenever I.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Ask someone to mentioned true collector, they either hamaha, don't
have a really good definition, or they say, you don't sell.
True collectors don't sell their cards. And there's very few
people who've never sold, even people who aren't necessarily card
sellers have have sold the cards. So like to say that,
I always kind of, you know, shrug my shoulders, like
(20:38):
I'm sure you've heard.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I mean it's all relative too. I mean, you know,
a lot of the collectors you know that I've seen,
you know, I mean they're financially established, they're you know,
they're they're older. You know, they might be fifty to
fifty five, sixty plus, and they don't really need the money,
you know, I mean, and or maybe they're younger, maybe
they're thirty, but they're lower end cards, you know, Like
(21:01):
so I could have binders of lower end cards and
technically I'm not I don't need to sell them. You know,
maybe they're fifty cent dollars cards that go on the binder.
So it really depends on the situation. But you know,
it's it's kind of you know, to be a long
term holder, you you know, you have to be financially
established if you're buying mid end to high end stuff.
If you're buying mid end to high end stuff, you know,
(21:23):
then I just don't know lots of people that are
twenty twenty five that are are set up in life
to where they're ready to, you know, to have long
term holds on high end stuff. You know, most of
the twenty five year olds are flipping because they're building
a life. You know, they're building a they're building a
business in the hobby, or they're doing it as a
side hustle, or they're about to start a family or
(21:44):
I mean, like you and I we're I'm gonna be
forty five next year, you know, like I'm done having kids.
You know, like I'm kind of on the you know,
I'm on the back the back nine. You know, we're
on the back nine, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So I'm on I'm on the back three.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, so I could too.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So we've kind of gotten established to where we can
hold some cards. Now I'm not I'm not trying to
hold every last thing, but I mean we there are
certain cards, like you're Jackie for example, that's a card
that you you don't necessarily need to move on that card,
you know. So I just think it's all it's all relative,
you know. And but most of the time, you know,
to be financially established, you're not twenty, You're you're older,
(22:22):
and you've you've you've got some years on some of
the other people.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, no doubt. It's a it's a great point.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And you know, hobby your way right again, try to
stay out of trouble, you know, try to be financially sound.
And but you're right, I think that younger set and
you know you mentioned the national I mean even like
that's coming to we're recording this before the event.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This will probably air after the fact.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But you know, even for me, like I like to
go to the National and buy a couple decent cards,
you know, four figures, but to do that, and I've
talked about it, it's not a secret. I've even read
about it in an article, Like I really don't buy
anything of significance the three months before the National, just
just putting money away.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Saving it up.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, and I've gotten better listen, full disclosure. I've gotten
better as an older person doing that than the younger
version of me that would do it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I even I have a I share this with someone.
I stole this from a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
He's going to Las Vegas like two to three times
a year, and you know, he had a decent job.
But I'm like, how are you going on all these
trips in Vegas? And he's like the dollar end below.
I'm like the dollar reen below the Oshian. He told
me what he does is every day that when he's
home for the day and he's not going back out,
any ones he has in his pocket, he puts in
(23:48):
an envelope and forgets about him.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
At the end of the year, he banned.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, you put him in bands of fifty and
he says, I have it depends on the year, but
anywhere from like nine hundred to fifteen hundred bucks. He goes,
you ought to do it. He goes, you know, you
save money. You don't even realize it, like there're ones.
And I said, you know what I'm gonna do. And
this was even before I was going in the national dust.
And I did it. And the first year I did it,
there was like five six hundred bucks there without even
(24:14):
like me thinking about it at a year and I'm like, man,
I didn't even like realize that. So I've done it
for now for like eighteen years, and I do that
and that becomes national money. I put you know, I
do a card show as a dealer, and it's a
good show. Obviously, I put my sales tax money aside.
I put money aside to buy new inventory for the showcases,
(24:36):
and then I put money aside, Hey, this is going
for end of July and August for the Nashville. I
sort of sort of plan ahead more so than the
younger version of me that would just kind of fly
by the seat in my pant. It helps me to
go to the Nashville right and have some some going
to spend and have fun.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And again it's not even all card, it's right, there's
other obviously expension flights, hotels, Uh you're well aware, and
uh dinners and and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That stuff will will add up.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So so if you know, if you don't save and like, hey,
I'm going and you know you hear and I've heard
these hard stories, I'm sure you have to put the
national people just run like credit card bills way up
and then after after they get back home, they're like,
I got to pay this all back, and.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I have a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't want to, you know, be disingenuous, but not
where I'm like really fretting over, like, oh my god,
I've I've already had a lot of cash that I
brought with or money and you know, whether it be
a PayPal or other cash account where I don't have
to use my credit card that much and I'm not
sweating it when when that bill comes. But some people
(25:52):
really fund the whole trip and what they buy on
that and then and then worry about it after the fact.
I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
do that, so I get in real trouble.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's tough. Yeah, it's the It's it's the greatest show
on turf. It's like, you know, it's the mecca. It's
I mean, everything is there. I can and I can
see you just you know, getting kind of caught up
with you know, you're there with your buddies. You see
a card you've been wanting, you're kind of mulling it over.
I've I've helped my friend, my friend Flipping Steve, he
bought a Willie May's Rookie card at the Philly Card Show. Now,
he was planning to buy it, so it's not as
(26:23):
if I and he's really careful with his money, and
but I helped him buy it. I was telling him,
I'm like, dude, this is the best copy in the
whole show. You know, I'm like talking him into it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Pressure, Yeah, pressure.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
He had the money and he you know, like he
was wanting to buy one, but he was kind of
on the fence, like, man, is this the one. I'm like,
this is the one, dude, this is the best.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Like so that's probably happening every year at the National.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, and sometimes you need that that's that's a good thing,
even like not to he referring back to the Jackie,
but even even with the Jackie, had my friend Danny Black,
who was like, it was a it was really a
decent deal. But I was having that self doubt right,
and I'm like, you asked for someone else, Hey, what
do you think here?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's like, dude, that's you've been looking for this card.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It presents well, you're not going to get it cheaper
in that at this point, like you know, you're either
gonna get it or just forget about it, like and
move on.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And like sometimes you need that, you need that person.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's sort of because I think we're we have that
sort of you know, the two voices on the shoulder, right,
ones like hey, pull the trigger, and the other's like,
oh man, I don't know, think about this, and it
becomes a tug of war. Sometimes we need that outside
opinion like hey, that's a pretty good deal and and
and other side that coin right now, I think you
(27:42):
could get a better one, maybe even for a better price.
Sometimes I'll help you to not make a transaction.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So what's kind of weird though too about those types
of cards, Like what you're talking about is it's almost
easier for me to buy a card like that, where
it's a genuine store of value, you know, whereas if
you bought ten cards that are let's say they're five
hundred dollars each, and that you buy ten cards over time,
maybe they hold up, maybe they don't, maybe they go
down to two hundred or something. But that's an iconic card.
(28:09):
So even though that might be and I don't know
how much you paid, let's say it's a five thousand
dollars card, that's a hell of a lot of money.
But you know, it's kind of like when you're telling
your wife, when you're telling your family, you can turn
right around and sell it. It's worth it's worth what
it's worth, like you know, I mean, like it's funny
to hold that. It's a great it's a great point.
You hit it right on the head dust.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And it's funny you mentioned that too, because when I'm
going back to the story when I told my wife
and I'll be I'll be honest now it's it's I mean,
you can look it up and find out it was
seventy seven hundred at the time. It's actually like you said,
it's actually more now if I was to resell it.
So when I told my wife what it costs and
her jaw hit the forum, I'm like, hey, now you
(28:49):
now you know why I have that separate account so
none of that came out of our account. But she goes,
you paid that much for one piece of cardboard, one
card like she'd doesn't understand the whole who it is
and the you know, the iconic of the of the
of the car. But what you just said is exactly
what I told her. I'm like, yes, I paid that,
(29:11):
but like tomorrow I could probably get it all bay.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's almost like it's still money. It's just in a
different form.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Any time you need to to liquid date if that's
what I chose to do, you know it's still there.
It's not like when you go to a restaurant you
have a great steak and it costs you fifty to
eighty bucks at like it's you know, Morton Steakhouse. The
steak may be great, you enjoyed your two or three
hours there with whoever you're with or your family, but
(29:39):
the stake's gone, like you're not like it's you know,
it might be worth the bill you paid at the
end of the night. But it's also gone. You got
nothing to show for it other than it's like a
great memory.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Other hobbies that meant, you know, voting, golf. You know,
you go play golf. Yeah, you have fun, You have
a nice round of golf. It's probably a couple it's
a few hundred bucks, and that adds up if you
play a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Voting, don't even get me started. Voting. Like my dad's
my dad's a fisherman and he's got a vote. He's
got to pay to gass it up. He's got to
pay to you know, like he loves it. He loves it,
but that money's gone once you spend it on voting.
You have the experiences, but he can't get money back.
It's gone.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Whereas the cardboard you can get the you can get
money back.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And when I explain that to her, you know, uh,
it made it a little not that it was her
money anyway, but she got the light bulb went on,
so to speak, a little bit. But uh, you know,
she got a little bit probably when I had to
do more explaining. Had that come out of like an account.
Oh yeah, all right, that concludes part one of our
conversation with dustin sports card Dad. But if you enjoyed that, uh,
(30:45):
you know, come back next week. We'll have part two
as well. So with that being said, we're gonna have
our hobby is the People Announcer of the Week next
And some closing thoughts. If you want to be a
hobby is the people announcer of the week, like you'll hear,
just send me an MP three or way file of
(31:05):
you introducing yourself. Give you a free plug, and somewhere
in there mentioned our tagline, right, the hobby is the people.
All right, let's hear from our hobbies the people announcer
of the week.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You and all ruddy might hear Baseball Collector and remember
that the hobby is the people.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
If you'd like to be the hobby is the People
announcer of the week, do a one or MP three
file and send it to Sportscard Nation DC at gmail
dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
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