August 22, 2025 • 32 mins
This week's episode is Part II from "Sports Card Nation Live" on the 2025 NSCC Main Stage. I was joined by Tony De Marzio(TJ is online) and Tony Leebrick(SouthernCollector14). Conversation includes buying strategies, saving for the NSCC, buying with purpose and exit strategies and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sports guard Nations Hobby, It's the people Wheely News and Interviews,
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Sports Guarnation.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What is up? Everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Welcome to Episode three fifty is crazy halfway to four
hundred now and when you think about it, you know
it's a just a once a week show and that's
that's that's something else. All right, Enough doting on that,
(00:41):
got a great show, Part two of our on stage
at the National in Chicago. National forty five Sports Carnation
Live on stage with Tony DiMarzio and Tony Liebrick. TJ
is online and Southern Collector fourteen is their social media handles,
(01:02):
and we talk a lot about buying cards, strategies, exit strategies,
leading buying leading up to the National Vintage Heavy Vintage talk,
and so today is part two of that fun conversation.
So if you mess part one, you can go back
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one episode three forty nine catch that Today is part two.
In the conclusion of that episode, as always, wanted to
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
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Speaker 4 (02:05):
So thanks to those folks, and now, without further ado,
let's get part two of our conversation started. Here is
part two. We're gonna start off Tony uh Demarzio brought
some cards up with him, so we're gonna kind of
get into that. But we're gonna cover a lot of
ground here on this second part of the episode. I
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see Tony's got some cards here. We saw Tony Leebrick's
heyk Aaron, awesome, awesome card. You know, we talk about,
you know, with vintage, right, certain players, certain players, certain cards.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sort of our better values if you will, than others like.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
They we might love them all and I do, but
there's certain cards that you know, certain cards we all know,
like you're you know, one off the time, run off
the top head, it's the low hanging fruit, right, Mickey
Mantle never goes down, right, if anything, always gonna have
an up barrow or you know always you're rarely gonna
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lose or sell it for less than you you're paid for.
Talk about that aspect when when you're acquiring cards, you know,
looking long term, when maybe there comes a day you know,
like Tony said, like he sells cards to buy new ones.
You both you know, I do that as a dealer
when I set up at shows. But talk about certain
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aspects or certain players and cards of the hobby sort
of being better for that that long term.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If you will.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So when it comes to any kind of cards, and
this is going to hit home to the modern collectors
and even the vintage collectors like us who have who
remember how our childhoods went and we have children ourselves.
When you buy sports cards, I think you need to
think of it as any other form of investment.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
There's an exit strategy.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And if you're buying cards for fun, like I probably
have the world's greatest Steve Jeltz collection, that's fun. You
know if the cards, I mean, the holders themselves cost
more than the cards, So that's my fun part of
the hobby. But when you start buying Clemente and Mantle
and these modern players like the Crow Armstrong and Harper.
(04:29):
You gotta work and even try out's a big lesson.
You need to think about the extra strategy because if
you want to upgrade into a bigger card, or if
you have to sell the card for whatever reason, you
got to think about how easy it is to move
that card, how liquid is it? And I think from
folks my age growing up in the nineteen eighties, we
(04:50):
found out from Wally Joyner and jose Canseco and Kevin
Moss and Jefferies and all those others, the extra strategy,
the exit strategy wasn't our future four oh one ks
or the retirement plans like the USA Today articles we're
all talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So with that in.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Mind, I value players who no longer play, even if
it's a recently retired player, I feel much more comfortable
investing in that person because when you're spending a set amount,
regardless of what that number is, it's a form of investment.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
So I just think we need to keep that in
mind when we buy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
At the National, I exhausted my budget. I don't know
if you did.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Also.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Thursday, Well, things pop up.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I have a top fifteen list and sometimes it comes in,
it grows to a top twenty list, but I try
to keep it to fifteen. But there's things that pop
up that you don't expect. And in the last two
months a few items popped up at auction. One of
them is a Craig Krinler painting, so I was able
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to pick up the Honus Wagner painting. This isn't the
big one, the sixteen by twenty. It's a it's a
color sample. So when this popped up on eBay of
all places, I just felt like I had to have it,
so I moved inventory. And that's where the exit strategy
in the hobby comes in. So when you think of
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excess strategy, I would just say think of Babe Ruth
and Mickey Mantle as good examples and big time Jackie
Robinson's unique because when I was collecting, when I was
my son's age, Jackie cards weren't as liquid as they
are today. Demaggio and Yastremski they were more liquid in
(06:46):
my opinion, but now Jackie Robinson's liquid, So just think
about the exits.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I know that firsthand from not buying him
more earlier and trying to play catch up and ked
you know, hit me and they hitting me in the wallet.
But yeah, you know, especially if you want to add
new cards to your inventory, go ahead now.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
In the last example, I'll give in some situations where
I can't move twenty Mickey Mantle cards to a Ford
to nineteen fourteen and fifteen Cracker Jack, Walter Johnson and
what's the other, Honus Wagner. I was able to do
that in March, but something else popped up recently and
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I wasn't. I didn't have enough time to trade the cards.
And that was a sixty seven Venezuelan Clemente. It's in
nice lower grade which most of us are used to,
and that was a card where I dipped into my
national budget. So for this national you know, I'm taking
it easy, which takes a lot of pressure off and it
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allows me to enjoy it more walking the aisles with
my son and it keeps him from looking at old
guy cards.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, so my story.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
When I got back in the hobby about four or
five years ago, one of the first things I did,
I really wanted to collect all the Hank Aaron cards.
I really love Hank Aaron. I liked what he stood for,
what he did in the face of racism and hatred
and just killed it. He's the last Negro league player
to ever suit up in a major league game.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So I wanted to get is.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
I did that, and then I jumped into Mantle and
I did his whole run, and once I did.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It, I kind of felt like I did it.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
And so it was just some other cards came up,
and the way I could afford those cards was to
offload the Mantles. And there is nothing more liquid in
this room right here than a Mickey Mantle card. You
can sell them if you get good ones that are
in good shape.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, go ahead, here's the crazy thing, Tony. All the
Yankee fans are gonna hat. I know, I know mister
Lane's about to like throw daggers at Mickey Mantle is
a great player. I don't think that goes without saying.
But like you look at some other guys from that time,
like will you can make an argument maybe Willie Mays
was better, or Hank Aaron. They're all Hall of famers. No,
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you know, my saying is you're not kicking any of
them out of bed. But you know, Mickey Mantle playing
in New York, the Mecca, especially at that time.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But it still holds true, like you.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Just said, all these years later, right and listen, Mays
is another one that probably falls into game, but I
still think he's almost underrated. I don't know if you
guys agree, car hobby wise, maybe not player wise, but
hobby wise, I think sometimes his stuff sometimes brings something
to be like, man, that should could have brought more.
(09:53):
That's you know, that's a great buy at the at
that level.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Just something that Tony said was it's interest because when
we did our transactions, we really didn't talk too much
about it at the time. We let each other know
what we were thinking. But I just found it interesting
and a lot of other folks do the same thing.
Mantle's the first player who we looked to when it
comes to liquidating, and probably the first player we looked
(10:18):
to replace those cards down down the road.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Yeah, exactly so with me when something big came up,
and that big card, my grail card growing up when
I was a kid, was a fifty two Mantle and
I got that couple of years ago and it sat
on my bedside table for about three weeks watching me sleep.
It was my baby. I took it to work with
me and set it up against my lamp on my desk,
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so it could watch me work.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Your doors, like right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I love the I love the card and I
still do.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
But then there's another card that came up, and it's
a nineteen fifty tall Taro's Josh Gibson card, and there
was only thirty of them in the world. And he's
the greatest Nigger League hitter of all time. And when
the Major League stats went official, he's now the leader
in batting average, he's the leader in slugging percentage, and
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the leader in ops passing Babe ruth In Tykov. Now
you can debate whether that's crazy or whatever. I don't care,
but it's a fact. And the guy, if he wasn't
banned from playing in the white major leagues, would be
on par with anybody that we would talk about in
this room today. So I wanted that card. How could
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I get that card? Well, I had to liquidate some
cards in the one and I had to do it fast.
So the fifty two mantle went. I made about fifteen
grand off of it. I had two signed nineteen fifty
five Jackie Robinson's. I moved that within twenty four hours,
and then The third one was a nineteen fifteen cracker
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Jack Hannis Wagner.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Now I had collected these over years, but it was like.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Putting money in a bank account, and so I was
able to raise one hundred thousand dollars in thirty six
hours and was able to make that deal. It was
another collector that was selling it reached out to me,
and I couldn't turn that down. So I got rid
of important cards. Now, the fifty two mantel, I absolutely
want another one, but I'm gonna have to save up
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for that bad boy and or sell some different cards.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I noticed three people got up when you talked about
getting rid of the mantle, so apparently they were here
to buy it, and now that they heard you didn't.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
But here's the deal with those the mantle, there's three
thousand of those. I can go to Ash's table right
now and buy one.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He has eight.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Okay, every big auction has those. There's the fifteen Honnis Wagner,
the Crackerjack. Most auctions will have that, the fifty five
Jackie the sign. There's only eighteen of those. I had
two of them, so I could get rid of one.
So that's how I wit down what I was willing
to move. You don't have to have huge cards to
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do that. There can be a five thousand dollars card
you want, and you've got three cards that add up
to that that you curated, that are got great eye uphill,
and you can move those to get that card. This
is just an example that tall of taros. There's only
been four public sales since twenty nineteen, so there isn't
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gonna be one come up. There isn't one in this
room right now for sale, so just you know, that
was an opportunity. I can go get the other ones.
I got to get the Wagoner to complete my Crackerjack set,
and I want another fifty two Manil, so it's just
a temporary thing where that is not in my collection.
I missed that card though, because that was the card,
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and I hate that bothered me, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But I see you rhythm around that right now talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Bothered me, man, Can I see ahead?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Much like Tony's nineteen fifty two Mickey Manel That's a
card I've been wanting since nineteen eighty six, so I
was ten, But my nineteen fifty two tops MCKEI mano
to me was a nineteen sixty eight TOPS three D
Clemente test card and I found that maybe two months
before the last national which was in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
So that's another card I had to move.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And it just comes down to, you know, if you
don't have the cash, just having cards that are liquid. Yeah,
and it hurts to move those cars. I mean, Tony,
you talked about that tops mgimnol card as much as
I talked about that three D clement and it was
rough to get rid of.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
My second YouTube episode was I found my Grail card
and I tell the whole story about how I got
to fifty two manle And I said when I did
my tall Tarist video that either I was lying or
I was a hypocrite. But I wasn't either. I was
saying that facetiously. But it did hurt. And honestly, some
of the things that you pick up that you have
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to actually give something up to get makes that thing
mean even.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More to you.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
So because you had to get blood, sweat and tears
to get that card, and so that one is definitely
one of those cards.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, that's a great point, right.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
The story of not only the cards themselves, but the acquisitions,
the journey to get them are the people you mean
to make an acquisition, right, Sometimes you get to know
the person you're acquiring the card from.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh in a way maybe you didn't anticipate.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
And you make a great point tony Brook too, with
like they're all great cards, right, but you're you're moving
some to acquire one that you just can't find, right,
You as great as those cards you've moved to acquire
that Gibson in this case, you can get those cards again,
They're not cheap, but you can you can find them, right,
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But you just don't find those Gibson's as easy as
those other cards, so you can replace them eventually. You know,
Rome wasn't the old cliche, right, Rome wasn't building the
day you can pick them off in your whatever your
time frame is the Gibbs. And like you said, good luck.
Even if you came into this building with the sole
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intent like that's all I'm getting and I'm walking out
of here, you still may not get it because it's
not here.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
There's only one of them in the building right now,
and it's with PSA.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
So that tells you how hard it is. And that's his.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's it's that goes to show
you right.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
It's time for a quick break, but we'll be right back.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
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Speaker 8 (17:30):
Sports Combination has Reasons.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Someone asked me when I you know, one of the
questions I got to ask guys when I got my
Jackie Leaf.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Like would you ever sell it or you know?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And my my initial answer is no, like I waited
a long time to get it. But you know what,
you know, you can never say never, right if if
the right deal came along or something else that you
can you can make a sale or a trade to
get something, and then I can buy that card maybe again.
(18:07):
But you know, I never say never, right, the old cliche. Yeah, learn,
you know, because unless it's an irreplaceable card, it can
be replaced as long as you want to spend the
money to do it.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
So yeah, Now, the ones I won't move are my
signed vintage cards, like the Mantles. I've got a nineteen
fifty nine Mickey Mantle that he signed for me in
person when I was fourteen years old. That will never
leave my collection. And I can say that one hundred
percent because mister Mantle touched that card in front of
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me and said hello. So that has an emotional connection
that can never be broken. So that'll go to one
of my kids or something. But the other ones are
just they're awesome, but they're a currency.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Let me ask it us.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
With the Gibson, we've already spoke of the significance of him,
the player of that card, being very very scarce and rare.
You know, along these lines, Tony, do you ever see
a scenario where that gets moved or that's that's the
exception to the rule.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm never gonna say never.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I mean, I don't know for right now, I'm fired
up to have it and it's in my PC and
I'm gonna cherish it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I love the fact I have it. I love
his story.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I've read his I read the book, and I've done
a lot of deep digging into the Negro League history
and that sort of thing, and I just really, I
don't know. I'm into it, so I can't. I honestly,
I can't ever say never. The only one of my
collection I can say that about is that mantle.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Tony Demarzio, do you have a card Maybe not here obviously,
but do you have a card that you can say
never or no?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Uh, the sixty eight Tops three D Clemente. Because I'm
one away from the set and I'm also working on
the extended set. There's a few cards from that set
that are considered proofs that were never made it into packs,
and yeah, that's some. I have a sixty nine Tops
Nicky Mantles signed and I'm the second owner. The original
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owner had it signed at the first East Coast National
and the person also was able to take photographs of
Mickey signing the card. Demaggio's also in another picture, so
that might be another one. I would probably never move
just because even though it's not like Tony, I didn't
get it signed personally, but I know that it was done,
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you know, and it has provenance to me.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You mentioned Greg Jeffries earlier. I have three binders of
Greg Jefferies rookies in mike garage that will never get moved.
And my wife wanted to throw them out and I said, no,
they stay, they they stay in the garage. I'm obviously
kidding Tony. I see you have some cards. I don't
know if you want to bring something up here or
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talk about.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Coming in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I really wanted to bring my signed eighty three Opach
Ryan Samberg, but unfortunately I forgot that home.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But I did have a few pickups here.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
For those who collected Robin Roberts or other Phillies, this
is a nineteen forty eight Philadelphia bulletin Robin Roberts.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
It was the first, one of the first.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Cutouts, and you would cut it out it came it
actually was issued in a newspaper that came out only
on Sundays, and it has comics on the back and
I just thought it was like really cool, and I'm
a Robin Roberts collector, also had a chance to pick
up my first two Japanese cards, much like the sixty
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eight tops three D test cards. This is a nineteen
seventy one Kaya Baya three D O card and I
just like how it looks. And I'm a Smoky Joe
Wood collector and this card means a lot to me
because it came from a friend.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's part of how I had money to buy Cracker Jacks.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
It's a nineteen sixteen M one on one for.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Blank back Smoky Joe would and uh, two other cars
I want to show quick. My son's here and we
picked up a Cooper flag. I want it in a
He talked to me. Anthony talked me into doing some contest.
And it's a BGS nine twenty five Cooper flag. It's
my first modern basketball car purchase in a while.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And the last one.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And yours are mine.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And then the last one is a nineteen ninety six
Eachiro Japanese card. Another it's a it's a Lenticular three
D card and I thought this was pretty cool. And
it's a it's a PSA eight and I'm looking at
I'm like, wow, this looks really looks nice for a
PSA eight not or whites, you know, great higher or lower.
But it's just cool because it's something you don't see
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every day. And as I progress in the hobby, I'm
getting more into the things you don't see every day,
what some people call ought, you know, odd ball food test,
regional farm. I just think it's pretty cool. And the
last thing I picked up at the car ladder booth
was deodorant, so if anyone runs out of it or
you will buy a person who needs one, just.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And if you have a really tiny armpit, I was.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Gonna say that looks like it should last about thirty
minutes and you've got to go back and get another one.
But yeah, the old joke, right, deodorant and comfortable shoes,
and uh, most people smell good. That's that part's good
and uh but yeah, that's those are those are all
great cards?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
How about the like you know when we talk about
like the Lenticular cards, right, it seems like we appreciate
them more today than we did even when they came out.
I remember being a kid with the Kellogg's releases, right
and pulling them out of the cereal boxes, and they
were cool. But I didn't love them, but today I
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buy them and especially if they're on cracked and not curled,
and I'll get them slapped. And speaking of that, I
have one for you. But like what, we appreciate stuff
sometimes more now than at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
We like to live through them.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Like it's just funny how that goes, you know, even
like for me, I used to hate exhibit cards.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Then one touch.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Them, one talk about them, people would offer them, come
up to my table, you want these?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Like no, and I've.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Done a one eighty on them, Like I don't want
to say I love them, but I'll acquire them now
where before I wouldn't have even considered that. Like, it's
just interesting how our opinions can vary and change on things.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
And the particular card to me, it's like I'll be
the birth of the of the refractor, which everyone loves now,
so I think of it that way, and that again
that helps me tie what I collect vintage to what
my son does modern.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, for you, Tony Leebrik, has there been anything like
you were out on, let's say, and then you've changed
like over the years or later on coming back, Like
you know, I didn't used to like these, but now
I kind of do well.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
When I first got back in and I was in
the vintage, I thought some of the strip cards were
kind of ugly. And then I got into the Black
Sox history and started reading a lot about that, really
got into Shoes Shoe Jackson and started collecting his cards.
And the one set that's most related to the nineteen
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nineteen Black Sox is the w FI fourteen strip cards.
So I fell in love with those and I started
I did the whole White Sox team set. Took me
about a year a year at all those because they're
harder to find some of them than others. And so
that's something the thing that I changed into a lane
that I wasn't originally. I mean, I guess I've always
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been there because I had that mantle with signed vintage,
and now that's like my big lane.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I'm all in on that.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
I never was out on it, but that's something I
got into and now everybody bugs me about it.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
No want to authenticated and slabbed.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
It's real, that's right, No, I try to be you know,
look I look at the autograph, try to figure out
if it looks real or not for I buy it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But I'm not an expert either.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Got a few minutes left, guys, I guess it was
announced that the twenty twenty eight National will be in Atlanta,
closer to you. Kind of your thoughts being from the
South scene in Atlanta? Do you like that? Indifferent you?
Where do you fall on?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I go to a big convention there at the Georgia
World Congress Center, which, if you don't know, is right
by where the Georgia Dome is. So it's in that
downtown Atlanta corridor. You're not gonna walk to a lot
of places to eat down there. It's more of a
it's not industrial, but it's more like just buildings like
where you work.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
So is it like Cleveland was a little bit where
there's nothing too much around it?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, because it's Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
The Big X Center wasn't downtown. No, it was Atlanta's
dead downtown. And so so if you're gonna go, the
ideal place to stay is that it's called the C
and N Center, and there's a big hotel right across
the street, and you just it's kind of attached to it.
You can stay in places downtown. They have a really
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extensive metro system, which is the subway, so you can
stay in the peripheral part if you want to, where
there are restaurants, and you can get on that subway
every morning and take it and you get off right
underneath that Atlanta, the Georgia Dome area. So that is
a very important point because if you've never been to Atlanta,
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what you need to know is the traffic is unbearable,
so you need to either be by a subway or
you need to be in one of those hotels within
walking distance. The Georgia World Congress Center, you're gonna like
much better than this setup because it's one humongous room.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
In the ceilings are high, so.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
You can actually get an idea, you can see things better,
and it's easier to find your way around. But the
broom is so big that when you look to the
other end, you can't hardly see the other wall because
the curvature of the earth. So it's gonna be a
better setup as far as this where it's gonna be
kind of laid out like a city with city blocks
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with numbers. This is kind of curved, so it's a
little more difficult to get your bearings. You're gonna like
that better. But again, stay where there's a metro and
stay near the place one of the two. Do not
try to drive there.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And I used to attend to Peach Bawl. I'm a
big college football fan. And once you started talking about it,
then my memory came back. The senior moment passed and yeah, yeah,
So now when we try to book the hotel, even
though we have a couple of years, everything's booked, right.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Yeah, and learn to talk southern, Okay, just talk slow.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Some insider tips for the twenty twenty eight National three
years in advance, right, but good advice there. All that
stuff can help you navigate an already big show. Right, guys,
we have like a minute or two left. First off,
thank you for a green that you come up here
and share the stage with me. We could do a
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whole another hour probably if we had to, but just
kind to give out where people can see your content
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
So I'm on Instagram with Southern Collector fourteen all one word,
or you can go on YouTube Southern Collector fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I released one video per week.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
My niche is baseball history tied into the hobby, but
I also like to do interviews with guys that have
really awesome collections, who are experts in certain lanes, and
they share their knowledge and their cards, and it's a
really really cool thing to see.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I'm on Instagram and YouTube, TJ T as in, Tony
j as In Joseph is online.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Is O N L I N E.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
And you'll know it's me because I have a Sports
Impressions Mike Schmidt coffee mug from the early nineteen nineties
that I kept all these years, So just look for
the coffee cup.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And in closing, I want to thank a national for
having sports coordination. I think this is our fourth or
fifth time doing a main stage performance. Try to bring
different people off each here as well. Thanks to them
for having me. I'll make my simple. If you google
sports coordination, everything will just come up, probably some stuff
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you don't even want, so make it easy for it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Thanks everybody. Thank you man.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I can't tell you what a blast I had up
there with Tony and Tony Tony squared as we joked,
and two great dudes, two guys passionate who loved the
hobby U, two guys after my own heart. I love
vintage UH and you know we covered a lot of
ground on the on the two episodes and on the
(31:30):
stage and again you know, a get ahead of ourselves here,
looking forward to doing it again next year with maybe
a few new guys we'll see and always fun.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let me know what you think some of the thoughts,
some of the things we talked about. Do you agree, disagree?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
What say you?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But we're gonna hear from our hobbies the people announce
there and wrap up this week's episode. We're back next
week with none national recording to a regular interview rocation.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the week.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Hey what's up?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
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Speaker 1 (32:13):
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the people.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Sports Guarnation.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What is up? Everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Welcome to Episode three fifty is crazy halfway to four
hundred now and when you think about it, you know
it's a just a once a week show and that's
that's that's something else. All right, Enough doting on that,
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got a great show, Part two of our on stage
at the National in Chicago. National forty five Sports Carnation
Live on stage with Tony DiMarzio and Tony Liebrick. TJ
is online and Southern Collector fourteen is their social media handles,
(01:02):
and we talk a lot about buying cards, strategies, exit strategies,
leading buying leading up to the National Vintage Heavy Vintage talk,
and so today is part two of that fun conversation.
So if you mess part one, you can go back
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one episode three forty nine catch that Today is part two.
In the conclusion of that episode, as always, wanted to
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Speaker 4 (02:05):
So thanks to those folks, and now, without further ado,
let's get part two of our conversation started. Here is
part two. We're gonna start off Tony uh Demarzio brought
some cards up with him, so we're gonna kind of
get into that. But we're gonna cover a lot of
ground here on this second part of the episode. I
(02:28):
see Tony's got some cards here. We saw Tony Leebrick's
heyk Aaron, awesome, awesome card. You know, we talk about,
you know, with vintage, right, certain players, certain players, certain cards.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sort of our better values if you will, than others like.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
They we might love them all and I do, but
there's certain cards that you know, certain cards we all know,
like you're you know, one off the time, run off
the top head, it's the low hanging fruit, right, Mickey
Mantle never goes down, right, if anything, always gonna have
an up barrow or you know always you're rarely gonna
(03:11):
lose or sell it for less than you you're paid for.
Talk about that aspect when when you're acquiring cards, you know,
looking long term, when maybe there comes a day you know,
like Tony said, like he sells cards to buy new ones.
You both you know, I do that as a dealer
when I set up at shows. But talk about certain
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aspects or certain players and cards of the hobby sort
of being better for that that long term.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If you will.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So when it comes to any kind of cards, and
this is going to hit home to the modern collectors
and even the vintage collectors like us who have who
remember how our childhoods went and we have children ourselves.
When you buy sports cards, I think you need to
think of it as any other form of investment.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
There's an exit strategy.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And if you're buying cards for fun, like I probably
have the world's greatest Steve Jeltz collection, that's fun. You
know if the cards, I mean, the holders themselves cost
more than the cards, So that's my fun part of
the hobby. But when you start buying Clemente and Mantle
and these modern players like the Crow Armstrong and Harper.
(04:29):
You gotta work and even try out's a big lesson.
You need to think about the extra strategy because if
you want to upgrade into a bigger card, or if
you have to sell the card for whatever reason, you
got to think about how easy it is to move
that card, how liquid is it? And I think from
folks my age growing up in the nineteen eighties, we
(04:50):
found out from Wally Joyner and jose Canseco and Kevin
Moss and Jefferies and all those others, the extra strategy,
the exit strategy wasn't our future four oh one ks
or the retirement plans like the USA Today articles we're
all talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So with that in.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Mind, I value players who no longer play, even if
it's a recently retired player, I feel much more comfortable
investing in that person because when you're spending a set amount,
regardless of what that number is, it's a form of investment.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
So I just think we need to keep that in
mind when we buy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
At the National, I exhausted my budget. I don't know
if you did.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Also.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Thursday, Well, things pop up.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I have a top fifteen list and sometimes it comes in,
it grows to a top twenty list, but I try
to keep it to fifteen. But there's things that pop
up that you don't expect. And in the last two
months a few items popped up at auction. One of
them is a Craig Krinler painting, so I was able
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to pick up the Honus Wagner painting. This isn't the
big one, the sixteen by twenty. It's a it's a
color sample. So when this popped up on eBay of
all places, I just felt like I had to have it,
so I moved inventory. And that's where the exit strategy
in the hobby comes in. So when you think of
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excess strategy, I would just say think of Babe Ruth
and Mickey Mantle as good examples and big time Jackie
Robinson's unique because when I was collecting, when I was
my son's age, Jackie cards weren't as liquid as they
are today. Demaggio and Yastremski they were more liquid in
(06:46):
my opinion, but now Jackie Robinson's liquid, So just think
about the exits.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I know that firsthand from not buying him
more earlier and trying to play catch up and ked
you know, hit me and they hitting me in the wallet.
But yeah, you know, especially if you want to add
new cards to your inventory, go ahead now.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
In the last example, I'll give in some situations where
I can't move twenty Mickey Mantle cards to a Ford
to nineteen fourteen and fifteen Cracker Jack, Walter Johnson and
what's the other, Honus Wagner. I was able to do
that in March, but something else popped up recently and
(07:30):
I wasn't. I didn't have enough time to trade the cards.
And that was a sixty seven Venezuelan Clemente. It's in
nice lower grade which most of us are used to,
and that was a card where I dipped into my
national budget. So for this national you know, I'm taking
it easy, which takes a lot of pressure off and it
(07:52):
allows me to enjoy it more walking the aisles with
my son and it keeps him from looking at old
guy cards.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, so my story.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
When I got back in the hobby about four or
five years ago, one of the first things I did,
I really wanted to collect all the Hank Aaron cards.
I really love Hank Aaron. I liked what he stood for,
what he did in the face of racism and hatred
and just killed it. He's the last Negro league player
to ever suit up in a major league game.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So I wanted to get is.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
I did that, and then I jumped into Mantle and
I did his whole run, and once I did.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It, I kind of felt like I did it.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
And so it was just some other cards came up,
and the way I could afford those cards was to
offload the Mantles. And there is nothing more liquid in
this room right here than a Mickey Mantle card. You
can sell them if you get good ones that are
in good shape.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, go ahead, here's the crazy thing, Tony. All the
Yankee fans are gonna hat. I know, I know mister
Lane's about to like throw daggers at Mickey Mantle is
a great player. I don't think that goes without saying.
But like you look at some other guys from that time,
like will you can make an argument maybe Willie Mays
was better, or Hank Aaron. They're all Hall of famers. No,
(09:18):
you know, my saying is you're not kicking any of
them out of bed. But you know, Mickey Mantle playing
in New York, the Mecca, especially at that time.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But it still holds true, like you.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Just said, all these years later, right and listen, Mays
is another one that probably falls into game, but I
still think he's almost underrated. I don't know if you
guys agree, car hobby wise, maybe not player wise, but
hobby wise, I think sometimes his stuff sometimes brings something
to be like, man, that should could have brought more.
(09:53):
That's you know, that's a great buy at the at
that level.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Just something that Tony said was it's interest because when
we did our transactions, we really didn't talk too much
about it at the time. We let each other know
what we were thinking. But I just found it interesting
and a lot of other folks do the same thing.
Mantle's the first player who we looked to when it
comes to liquidating, and probably the first player we looked
(10:18):
to replace those cards down down the road.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Yeah, exactly so with me when something big came up,
and that big card, my grail card growing up when
I was a kid, was a fifty two Mantle and
I got that couple of years ago and it sat
on my bedside table for about three weeks watching me sleep.
It was my baby. I took it to work with
me and set it up against my lamp on my desk,
(10:44):
so it could watch me work.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Your doors, like right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I love the I love the card and I
still do.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
But then there's another card that came up, and it's
a nineteen fifty tall Taro's Josh Gibson card, and there
was only thirty of them in the world. And he's
the greatest Nigger League hitter of all time. And when
the Major League stats went official, he's now the leader
in batting average, he's the leader in slugging percentage, and
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the leader in ops passing Babe ruth In Tykov. Now
you can debate whether that's crazy or whatever. I don't care,
but it's a fact. And the guy, if he wasn't
banned from playing in the white major leagues, would be
on par with anybody that we would talk about in
this room today. So I wanted that card. How could
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I get that card? Well, I had to liquidate some
cards in the one and I had to do it fast.
So the fifty two mantle went. I made about fifteen
grand off of it. I had two signed nineteen fifty
five Jackie Robinson's. I moved that within twenty four hours,
and then The third one was a nineteen fifteen cracker
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Jack Hannis Wagner.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Now I had collected these over years, but it was like.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Putting money in a bank account, and so I was
able to raise one hundred thousand dollars in thirty six
hours and was able to make that deal. It was
another collector that was selling it reached out to me,
and I couldn't turn that down. So I got rid
of important cards. Now, the fifty two mantel, I absolutely
want another one, but I'm gonna have to save up
(12:21):
for that bad boy and or sell some different cards.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I noticed three people got up when you talked about
getting rid of the mantle, so apparently they were here
to buy it, and now that they heard you didn't.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
But here's the deal with those the mantle, there's three
thousand of those. I can go to Ash's table right
now and buy one.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He has eight.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Okay, every big auction has those. There's the fifteen Honnis Wagner,
the Crackerjack. Most auctions will have that, the fifty five
Jackie the sign. There's only eighteen of those. I had
two of them, so I could get rid of one.
So that's how I wit down what I was willing
to move. You don't have to have huge cards to
(13:04):
do that. There can be a five thousand dollars card
you want, and you've got three cards that add up
to that that you curated, that are got great eye uphill,
and you can move those to get that card. This
is just an example that tall of taros. There's only
been four public sales since twenty nineteen, so there isn't
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gonna be one come up. There isn't one in this
room right now for sale, so just you know, that
was an opportunity. I can go get the other ones.
I got to get the Wagoner to complete my Crackerjack set,
and I want another fifty two Manil, so it's just
a temporary thing where that is not in my collection.
I missed that card though, because that was the card,
(13:48):
and I hate that bothered me, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But I see you rhythm around that right now talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Bothered me, man, Can I see ahead?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Much like Tony's nineteen fifty two Mickey Manel That's a
card I've been wanting since nineteen eighty six, so I
was ten, But my nineteen fifty two tops MCKEI mano
to me was a nineteen sixty eight TOPS three D
Clemente test card and I found that maybe two months
before the last national which was in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
So that's another card I had to move.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And it just comes down to, you know, if you
don't have the cash, just having cards that are liquid. Yeah,
and it hurts to move those cars. I mean, Tony,
you talked about that tops mgimnol card as much as
I talked about that three D clement and it was
rough to get rid of.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
My second YouTube episode was I found my Grail card
and I tell the whole story about how I got
to fifty two manle And I said when I did
my tall Tarist video that either I was lying or
I was a hypocrite. But I wasn't either. I was
saying that facetiously. But it did hurt. And honestly, some
of the things that you pick up that you have
(15:01):
to actually give something up to get makes that thing
mean even.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More to you.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
So because you had to get blood, sweat and tears
to get that card, and so that one is definitely
one of those cards.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, that's a great point, right.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
The story of not only the cards themselves, but the acquisitions,
the journey to get them are the people you mean
to make an acquisition, right, Sometimes you get to know
the person you're acquiring the card from.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh in a way maybe you didn't anticipate.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
And you make a great point tony Brook too, with
like they're all great cards, right, but you're you're moving
some to acquire one that you just can't find, right,
You as great as those cards you've moved to acquire
that Gibson in this case, you can get those cards again,
They're not cheap, but you can you can find them, right,
(15:56):
But you just don't find those Gibson's as easy as
those other cards, so you can replace them eventually. You know,
Rome wasn't the old cliche, right, Rome wasn't building the
day you can pick them off in your whatever your
time frame is the Gibbs. And like you said, good luck.
Even if you came into this building with the sole
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intent like that's all I'm getting and I'm walking out
of here, you still may not get it because it's
not here.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
There's only one of them in the building right now,
and it's with PSA.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
So that tells you how hard it is. And that's his.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's it's that goes to show
you right.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
It's time for a quick break, but we'll be right back.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
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Speaker 8 (17:30):
Sports Combination has Reasons.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Someone asked me when I you know, one of the
questions I got to ask guys when I got my
Jackie Leaf.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Like would you ever sell it or you know?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And my my initial answer is no, like I waited
a long time to get it. But you know what,
you know, you can never say never, right if if
the right deal came along or something else that you
can you can make a sale or a trade to
get something, and then I can buy that card maybe again.
(18:07):
But you know, I never say never, right, the old cliche. Yeah, learn,
you know, because unless it's an irreplaceable card, it can
be replaced as long as you want to spend the
money to do it.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
So yeah, Now, the ones I won't move are my
signed vintage cards, like the Mantles. I've got a nineteen
fifty nine Mickey Mantle that he signed for me in
person when I was fourteen years old. That will never
leave my collection. And I can say that one hundred
percent because mister Mantle touched that card in front of
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me and said hello. So that has an emotional connection
that can never be broken. So that'll go to one
of my kids or something. But the other ones are
just they're awesome, but they're a currency.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Let me ask it us.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
With the Gibson, we've already spoke of the significance of him,
the player of that card, being very very scarce and rare.
You know, along these lines, Tony, do you ever see
a scenario where that gets moved or that's that's the
exception to the rule.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm never gonna say never.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I mean, I don't know for right now, I'm fired
up to have it and it's in my PC and
I'm gonna cherish it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I love the fact I have it. I love
his story.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I've read his I read the book, and I've done
a lot of deep digging into the Negro League history
and that sort of thing, and I just really, I
don't know. I'm into it, so I can't. I honestly,
I can't ever say never. The only one of my
collection I can say that about is that mantle.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Tony Demarzio, do you have a card Maybe not here obviously,
but do you have a card that you can say
never or no?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Uh, the sixty eight Tops three D Clemente. Because I'm
one away from the set and I'm also working on
the extended set. There's a few cards from that set
that are considered proofs that were never made it into packs,
and yeah, that's some. I have a sixty nine Tops
Nicky Mantles signed and I'm the second owner. The original
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owner had it signed at the first East Coast National
and the person also was able to take photographs of
Mickey signing the card. Demaggio's also in another picture, so
that might be another one. I would probably never move
just because even though it's not like Tony, I didn't
get it signed personally, but I know that it was done,
(20:38):
you know, and it has provenance to me.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You mentioned Greg Jeffries earlier. I have three binders of
Greg Jefferies rookies in mike garage that will never get moved.
And my wife wanted to throw them out and I said, no,
they stay, they they stay in the garage. I'm obviously
kidding Tony. I see you have some cards. I don't
know if you want to bring something up here or
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talk about.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Coming in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I really wanted to bring my signed eighty three Opach
Ryan Samberg, but unfortunately I forgot that home.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But I did have a few pickups here.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
For those who collected Robin Roberts or other Phillies, this
is a nineteen forty eight Philadelphia bulletin Robin Roberts.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
It was the first, one of the first.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Cutouts, and you would cut it out it came it
actually was issued in a newspaper that came out only
on Sundays, and it has comics on the back and
I just thought it was like really cool, and I'm
a Robin Roberts collector, also had a chance to pick
up my first two Japanese cards, much like the sixty
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eight tops three D test cards. This is a nineteen
seventy one Kaya Baya three D O card and I
just like how it looks. And I'm a Smoky Joe
Wood collector and this card means a lot to me
because it came from a friend.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's part of how I had money to buy Cracker Jacks.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
It's a nineteen sixteen M one on one for.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Blank back Smoky Joe would and uh, two other cars
I want to show quick. My son's here and we
picked up a Cooper flag. I want it in a
He talked to me. Anthony talked me into doing some contest.
And it's a BGS nine twenty five Cooper flag. It's
my first modern basketball car purchase in a while.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And the last one.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And yours are mine.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And then the last one is a nineteen ninety six
Eachiro Japanese card. Another it's a it's a Lenticular three
D card and I thought this was pretty cool. And
it's a it's a PSA eight and I'm looking at
I'm like, wow, this looks really looks nice for a
PSA eight not or whites, you know, great higher or lower.
But it's just cool because it's something you don't see
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every day. And as I progress in the hobby, I'm
getting more into the things you don't see every day,
what some people call ought, you know, odd ball food test,
regional farm. I just think it's pretty cool. And the
last thing I picked up at the car ladder booth
was deodorant, so if anyone runs out of it or
you will buy a person who needs one, just.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And if you have a really tiny armpit, I was.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Gonna say that looks like it should last about thirty
minutes and you've got to go back and get another one.
But yeah, the old joke, right, deodorant and comfortable shoes,
and uh, most people smell good. That's that part's good
and uh but yeah, that's those are those are all
great cards?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
How about the like you know when we talk about
like the Lenticular cards, right, it seems like we appreciate
them more today than we did even when they came out.
I remember being a kid with the Kellogg's releases, right
and pulling them out of the cereal boxes, and they
were cool. But I didn't love them, but today I
(24:10):
buy them and especially if they're on cracked and not curled,
and I'll get them slapped. And speaking of that, I
have one for you. But like what, we appreciate stuff
sometimes more now than at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
We like to live through them.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Like it's just funny how that goes, you know, even
like for me, I used to hate exhibit cards.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Then one touch.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Them, one talk about them, people would offer them, come
up to my table, you want these?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Like no, and I've.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Done a one eighty on them, Like I don't want
to say I love them, but I'll acquire them now
where before I wouldn't have even considered that. Like, it's
just interesting how our opinions can vary and change on things.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
And the particular card to me, it's like I'll be
the birth of the of the refractor, which everyone loves now,
so I think of it that way, and that again
that helps me tie what I collect vintage to what
my son does modern.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, for you, Tony Leebrik, has there been anything like
you were out on, let's say, and then you've changed
like over the years or later on coming back, Like
you know, I didn't used to like these, but now
I kind of do well.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
When I first got back in and I was in
the vintage, I thought some of the strip cards were
kind of ugly. And then I got into the Black
Sox history and started reading a lot about that, really
got into Shoes Shoe Jackson and started collecting his cards.
And the one set that's most related to the nineteen
(25:47):
nineteen Black Sox is the w FI fourteen strip cards.
So I fell in love with those and I started
I did the whole White Sox team set. Took me
about a year a year at all those because they're
harder to find some of them than others. And so
that's something the thing that I changed into a lane
that I wasn't originally. I mean, I guess I've always
(26:10):
been there because I had that mantle with signed vintage,
and now that's like my big lane.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I'm all in on that.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
I never was out on it, but that's something I
got into and now everybody bugs me about it.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
No want to authenticated and slabbed.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
It's real, that's right, No, I try to be you know,
look I look at the autograph, try to figure out
if it looks real or not for I buy it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But I'm not an expert either.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Got a few minutes left, guys, I guess it was
announced that the twenty twenty eight National will be in Atlanta,
closer to you. Kind of your thoughts being from the
South scene in Atlanta? Do you like that? Indifferent you?
Where do you fall on?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I go to a big convention there at the Georgia
World Congress Center, which, if you don't know, is right
by where the Georgia Dome is. So it's in that
downtown Atlanta corridor. You're not gonna walk to a lot
of places to eat down there. It's more of a
it's not industrial, but it's more like just buildings like
where you work.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
So is it like Cleveland was a little bit where
there's nothing too much around it?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, because it's Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
The Big X Center wasn't downtown. No, it was Atlanta's
dead downtown. And so so if you're gonna go, the
ideal place to stay is that it's called the C
and N Center, and there's a big hotel right across
the street, and you just it's kind of attached to it.
You can stay in places downtown. They have a really
(27:40):
extensive metro system, which is the subway, so you can
stay in the peripheral part if you want to, where
there are restaurants, and you can get on that subway
every morning and take it and you get off right
underneath that Atlanta, the Georgia Dome area. So that is
a very important point because if you've never been to Atlanta,
(28:00):
what you need to know is the traffic is unbearable,
so you need to either be by a subway or
you need to be in one of those hotels within
walking distance. The Georgia World Congress Center, you're gonna like
much better than this setup because it's one humongous room.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
In the ceilings are high, so.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
You can actually get an idea, you can see things better,
and it's easier to find your way around. But the
broom is so big that when you look to the
other end, you can't hardly see the other wall because
the curvature of the earth. So it's gonna be a
better setup as far as this where it's gonna be
kind of laid out like a city with city blocks
(28:45):
with numbers. This is kind of curved, so it's a
little more difficult to get your bearings. You're gonna like
that better. But again, stay where there's a metro and
stay near the place one of the two. Do not
try to drive there.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And I used to attend to Peach Bawl. I'm a
big college football fan. And once you started talking about it,
then my memory came back. The senior moment passed and yeah, yeah,
So now when we try to book the hotel, even
though we have a couple of years, everything's booked, right.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Yeah, and learn to talk southern, Okay, just talk slow.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Some insider tips for the twenty twenty eight National three
years in advance, right, but good advice there. All that
stuff can help you navigate an already big show. Right, guys,
we have like a minute or two left. First off,
thank you for a green that you come up here
and share the stage with me. We could do a
(29:46):
whole another hour probably if we had to, but just
kind to give out where people can see your content
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
So I'm on Instagram with Southern Collector fourteen all one word,
or you can go on YouTube Southern Collector fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I released one video per week.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
My niche is baseball history tied into the hobby, but
I also like to do interviews with guys that have
really awesome collections, who are experts in certain lanes, and
they share their knowledge and their cards, and it's a
really really cool thing to see.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I'm on Instagram and YouTube, TJ T as in, Tony
j as In Joseph is online.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Is O N L I N E.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
And you'll know it's me because I have a Sports
Impressions Mike Schmidt coffee mug from the early nineteen nineties
that I kept all these years, So just look for
the coffee cup.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And in closing, I want to thank a national for
having sports coordination. I think this is our fourth or
fifth time doing a main stage performance. Try to bring
different people off each here as well. Thanks to them
for having me. I'll make my simple. If you google
sports coordination, everything will just come up, probably some stuff
(31:05):
you don't even want, so make it easy for it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Thanks everybody. Thank you man.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I can't tell you what a blast I had up
there with Tony and Tony Tony squared as we joked,
and two great dudes, two guys passionate who loved the
hobby U, two guys after my own heart. I love
vintage UH and you know we covered a lot of
ground on the on the two episodes and on the
(31:30):
stage and again you know, a get ahead of ourselves here,
looking forward to doing it again next year with maybe
a few new guys we'll see and always fun.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let me know what you think some of the thoughts,
some of the things we talked about. Do you agree, disagree?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
What say you?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But we're gonna hear from our hobbies the people announce
there and wrap up this week's episode. We're back next
week with none national recording to a regular interview rocation.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the week.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Hey what's up?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Catob Atminster, Catob on Twitter, and remember the hobby is
the people.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
If you'd like to be the hobby is the People
Announcer of the Week to one or m P three
file and send it to Sportscard Nation DC at gmail
dot com.
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