September 5, 2025 • 33 mins
Dustin of "Sports Card Dad" returns for part 2 of our great hobby conversation this week.
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*The Beginnings
*Approach to content creation and being transparent.
*How you collect and sell
*Sponsorship criticisms
*Spending too much and advice
*NSCC
*Grading space thoughts
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*The Beginnings
*Approach to content creation and being transparent.
*How you collect and sell
*Sponsorship criticisms
*Spending too much and advice
*NSCC
*Grading space thoughts
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Welcome to episode three fifty two of Sports Cardination Podcast
and part two of our great conversation with Dustin from
Sportscard Dad. Hopefully enjoyed last week's first part. Part two
continues on this episode again for those that are maybe new,
(00:44):
we used to do longer episodes, but now we do
our interviews in two parts and to keep them a
little bit more consumable. So Dustin returns this week we
chop up some more hobby. So without further ado, let's
get to that. All right. Here is part two of
our conversation with Dustin from sports card Dad, and we're
(01:06):
gonna start off here talking about what he PCs, how
he moves cards and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Uh you talk about, you know, buying and selling. We
both do that kind of for for those that don't know,
like what do you PC and you know what how
do you sell your cards?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
For me, you know all the all the major platforms
for ebays, com, even sport Lots and obviously I do
about two shows a month on average, so twenty four
shows a year.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
You know. I PC vintage Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I don't want to say vintage Hall of Fame, graded
rookies of the four sports, and Jackie sort of my
my guy. Even modern wise, I'm a big bobby with
so I try to eat, you know, even though I'm heavy,
I'm heavy vintage. I'm a sports fan. I still watch
current sports, so I try to still you know, collect
along those lines for you where do where do you
(02:00):
fall in there?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
So I am a longtime New Orleans Saints fan, so
I'm a we're season ticket holders. My wife, when I
was dating her, I said, this is kind of funny.
I started dating her in two thousand and nine January.
The Saints won the Super Bowl in January twenty ten,
so she like, our like love story is wrapped around
the only Saints super Bowl winning season. And I told her,
(02:23):
I'm like, this is never this is probably never going
to happen like this again, you know, like and so
she was like the lucky charm and all that sort
of a thing. But we got on the waiting list
for season tickets in two thousand and nine during the
season because She's like, oh, let's like there's a waiting list.
We'll get on the waiting list. Well, two years ago
we got the call, like after Sean Payton and Drew
Brees left, so like we're literally on the wait list
for like fifteen years. We finally get the call. So
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we buy tickets and we're season ticket holders. So I'm
a huge Drew Brees is the best Saint that ever played,
so he's my main PC guy. And then I also
have I have got a pretty solid Tom Brady collection
as well. But with Tom Brady, you know, you could
spend a lot on Tom Brady stuff, but he's kind
of more of like my goat, you know, I like
the football goat, you know, so, but I've got you know,
(03:05):
I would say football cards in general are kind of
where if I go back to my hobby roots eighty
nine pro set, trying to find Barry Sanders Oklahoma State
rookies and Troy Aikman and Dion Sanders. You know, so
football cards is really kind of my first love and
basketball with Michael Jordan coming up. I'm a junk wax
era kid. So my dad was an officer in the
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Air Force. I was actually born in Germany. We lived
in England for five years, and I moved to the
US for the first time. I was a US citizen
obviously because of my dad, but I was seven years old.
We moved to Panama City, Florida, and then that's where
I start. You know, there's those local card shops and
all that, but football basketball. That's when the Becketts first
came out. Was nineteen ninety For both of those, you
probably remember all of that, and so that kind of
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you know, I'm eight nine years old at that kind
of like kickstarted everything. You're checking the Beckett So I'm
I'm I fell right in line with that junk wax era.
So I've got a lot of fot I've got a
Johnny Unitis rookie. I've got bart Star rookie. Actually, I've
just got it right here on my desk, you know.
So I've got a lot of variety. I also have
a on the non sports side, I've got you know,
(04:10):
like the only Stephen King pack pulled autograph is this.
You can't really see it. I can't get a good
like lock on it. A big Stranger Things card collector.
I've got a bunch of rare Things cards because it's inexpensive,
and my whole family watches the show. We got season
five coming up. But I'm also just like an eighties
nineties nostalgia nerd, So I'm also one of these weirdo's that, yes,
(04:33):
I have a lot of sports cards. I have got nonsports.
I've got a eighty four star Jordan p s A
five five. That's my best card. But I've also got
graded comic books, I've got graded action figures, I've got
graded video I've got like graded you know, original Nintendo games.
So there's a lot of like, you know, eighties nineties
nostalgia collectibles as a whole, not just I've got a
(04:56):
lot of sports cards, but I've got a big mix.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, it sounds like you stay kind of true to
your roots, kind of what you grew up liking and
enjoying and kind of now still doing it, uh in
this fashion, right, And uh you hear a lot of that, right.
I try to do that as much as possible. I've even,
you know, on the non sports side, I've started to
pick up cards of my favorite actors and.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Actresses, musician and and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And the non sports, as you well know, Dustin has
really made strides in the in the last few years
and have gotten more more even more mainstream and more accepted.
Not that it needed to be for for me, like
if I like it, I just you know, that's fine
by me, but even more people have started to dabble
in it at.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Least or go even maybe even more than dabbling.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
So, uh, you know, it's fun and uh, very few
things that are not covered on cards. You know, we
got pick a ball players, We've got bowlers, you know,
with all the even even just celebrities now peering whether
it be gin there or whatever else. It's just get
covered so many different things, and it's fun. Right you
(06:08):
can buy what you like and if you don't like it,
you don't have to buy it. So I kind of
alluded to it early on in the show, like you know,
we like you said, we both have shows that that
generate some income for me that comes through sponsors on
my audio side, it comes from downloads on the audio side.
(06:31):
I often sometimes get I don't want to say often,
but sometimes I will get criticized, sometimes publicly, sometimes privately.
I've noticed you got you get that too, uh, And
I know we talked before we even started recording. For me, like,
I will never have like a sponsor during the show itself.
(06:53):
I will never have a sponsor that It's not something
that I don't use already or support or recommend.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You don't shield for anything just for the sake of
a dollar. Uh, And I think it's similar.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
For you, and I think we're you know, I'm biased,
but I think we're unfairly criticized when we do get
some of that flack. And uh, you know, I don't
apologize for it. I have no problem explaining kind of
my stance on it, just so people are more aware,
you know, kind of your I can only speak for
myself obviously, but your your take when when you when
(07:30):
you face a little bit of that that flack or criticism.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Yeah, I mean I know how much time and effort
it makes it takes to make content, and so you know,
anytime I ever see any content creator, whether it's in
cards or golf channel or what any any YouTube, I'm
always if they have a sponsorship, I'm thinking, like good
for them. That's always my reaction. And it's just simply
because you know, this isn't rocket science what we do.
(07:54):
It's not like we're solving cancer. But it is, it
is work. It's really fun work. Don't get me wrong.
I mean I wouldn't be doing it. You wouldn't be
doing it if it wasn't really fun. It's just an
extension of our hobby. But you know, if someone is
able to make a few extra bucks, you know, with
their channel, and again, as you mentioned earlier, it's just
going right back into the hobby.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It's going back into cards.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
It's helping to fund you know, buys, you know, it's
it's helping to get new camera equipment or whatever it is.
So you know, it's it's just part of the circle
of life, you know, that helps people. It's it'd be
it'd almost be like getting if I was like irritated
because someone bought a card for one hundred dollars and
then sold it for three hundred dollars and like, what
what do you mean You've made two hundred dollars? That's crazy?
(08:33):
How why did you? Why did you do that? You know,
that's how they're funding their hobby. That's that's how our
hobby works, you know. That's like our entire hobby is
literally buying, selling, trading, buying, grading, selling, you know, like
take your pick on whatever that's going to look like.
So for me, like you know, the channels and the
proliferation really the expansion of hobby content and more and
(08:54):
more channels are now getting sponsorships. It's becoming more normal.
I would say, though, maybe part of our issue is
that if you go back a few years, there was
not many channels that had any sort of sponsorship, and
so maybe that was kind of new in this in
this space to some degree as YouTube grew and viewership grew,
you know, and maybe that's part of it. Maybe it's
(09:14):
just kind of like people weren't used to seeing it
nowadays though, you know, there's a lot of channels that
have different, different agreements in place, and like you said,
you know, there's some you know, content creators that decide
not to have sponsorships, and that's great.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
That's on them.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
If they don't want to do it, then that's that's
perfectly fine. I guess I just don't have like a
judgment one way or another. You know, if people decide
to do it, great, if they don't, then great, you know,
I mean, I just I don't understand though getting worked
up about it. I do try. People will say, like
oh man, you know, so much of the video as
the sponsor talk, and I literally try to I have
it down about forty five seconds of my video because
(09:51):
I'm cognizant of it, you know, to where it's at max.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
It's about a.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Minute that I'm talking about a sponsor in a like
a eight to twelve minute video. So my goal is
to try to just kind of get it in there.
And you know, most people, for the I mean the
majority of people are like, hey, I don't mind it
at all.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
You know, there's just some people that don't.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
And that's okay, yeah, well said, and I agree across
the board. And I've done things even as the show
has grown and increased. And you know, I used to
run three or four like commercials during during an episode,
you know doesn't And now what I do is I
run one featured sponsor for episode and I thank the
(10:30):
other let's say three in the intro. Hey thank all
our sponsors. I know doctor Jim does that on his show,
and then run one commercial instead of three or four.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And that's kind of taking some of those ads out.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
You know, Spreaker, which is the platform I'm on for audio,
they sort of put their own at the at the
front pre row and then row. And I always tell people,
doesn't I'm sure you've said the same thing, like like
just hit the fast forward thirty second button, like the
man you hear like the pro mode if you don't
want to hear it, like the maybe a sponsor won't
(11:05):
really want me to say that, but like if you're
listening and you don't, like you don't want to hear that,
just hit that third.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I've done it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I've done it while listening to other content myself, so
I can't knock someone for doing it too. And that's
the option you have, So you can just skip to
the part when we're doing the show we're talking about
cards and and you know, no one's so worse for
the wear. But like like you said, you know, it's
it's we're transacting, right, It's it's a lot of those
(11:33):
funds go right back into the hobby, and the hobby
is where it is because all of us are are transacting.
And I think sometimes that criticism comes from whether it
be a jealous place or whatnot. I've even had a
content creator like say, hey, you know, how did he
word it to me? It's like, oh, I don't I
don't take sponsorships, so my opinion is more pure. And
(11:58):
you know, I'm like, well, maybe it is. I can't
say it is or it isn't, but mine is just
as well. Like SGC is one of the sponsors of
the show, and I've been on this very show when
they when we agreed to that, I said, listen, I'm
if if I don't agree with something you're doing, I'm
gonna use tag and be respectful, but I'm going to
talk into the mic and say, hey, man, I don't
(12:19):
like this or I don't like what's going on right now.
And they're like, no, well, by all means, if you
keep it respectful and not personal, we can't. You know,
we're good with that. And so I've been on this
very show and it's been critical, uh, in a respectful
way of SGC.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So you know that's not hilling.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I wouldn't if they ever If if any sponsor
said oh, you can't do that, then our conversations kind
of over in terms of like a working relationship.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
So and I've never had that, by the way, too,
I'm sure you probably haven't either. I mean I probably
worked with a probably a dozen companies, maybe more, and
no one has ever said don't say this or don't say.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
You're right, I'm or unless I was just giving the
heads up like this is kind of you know, they
didn't they didn't open open that conversation. I just said,
here's how the show goes. As long as you're comfortable
with that, we'll be fine. They're like, yeah, no problem.
Just the only thing they said is what I already said, like,
I'll be tactful and respectful. It's not gonna be personal,
(13:19):
you know what I mean. And they're like, yeah, that's fine.
And they've been on the program. Peter Steinberg has been
on the program numerous times. I've asked them tough questions, Uh,
and that so so that's and and and I think
that's so when that person said, oh, more pure, I
point to that like, hey, you know, uh, and they're
(13:39):
a listener to the show, and like you didn't you
hear me be critical. They're a sponsored so I'm you know,
I don't know if you're more pure, we're tied or whatever,
but like you know, it's like you said, that's a
personal choice on their content side, that they're not going
to take any spot.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And that's the fallacy there though, is that it's making
the case that if you're not sponsored, then you're not biased,
which is not true.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So the way that I've always.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I was with SGC for for two years, they sponsored
the channel, and now I'm a PSA partner and both
companies have been great. You know, I know they're under
the same you know umbrella now, you know. But the
way that I always manage grading is, first off, I'm
a huge believer in third party grading authentication because you
and I, I mean we were there in the late
eighties nineties when there was no grading and it was
(14:29):
a total it was a free for all.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
It was real.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
You know, people are like, oh, it's the wild West now, No, no, no,
it was the wild West in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
That's when it was the wild West.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
You know, we had this that that autograph you know
that the you know, the guy coming out with the
autograph stuff. We we won't go into all that now, but
like that was the norm in nineteen ninety. There were
it was like handwritten coas I remember at the mall,
like it was like a disaster you know back then.
So I'm a huge and the way that I kind
of navigate grading partners is I think we have four
(14:58):
very strong companies in the space we do. We have
four great grading companies. So even though I might be
partnered with SGC or it might be PSA, you know,
if you decide to go to CGC, that's great, or
if you decide to go to Beckett for certain cards,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I mean like, we have great, four great companies. In
nineteen ninety we had zero great company. We had nothing,
you know, So I mean, yes, there's mistakes made, you
know whatever, But I mean like we're in such a
great spot with third party grading authentication now and that's
how So yes, you know, I might have a bias
towards PSA, or I might have a bias towards SGC,
but I'm a believer as a whole in third party grading.
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And just because someone is not sponsored by any of
those grading companies, they still have their own biases, they
still have their own grading biases, they grade with whoever
they grade with, and they're still going to give an opinion.
So I never understood that that argument.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, no, it's a great point.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And they might not get they might not be getting
financially compensated, but they're you know, anytime you do content,
you're giving your opinion.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Unless you're really and you you.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Literally drive down the middle of the road and either way.
So we're all we're all given our opinions. It's just
sometimes we're compensated or not. But neither one makes us
less more or less, you know, honest, it's just how
we feel. Right Like I again, I've been critical of
even As even as they sponsored the program, and I
(16:22):
was up front right from from day one with them,
and I've never had an issue.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And you know, I don't know how many years now.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It's for so so, But you're right, whether someone has
a sponsor or not, they're still given. Oh I don't
use this so and so company, and I use this
one hundred percent. I you, like you said, I agree,
there's four companies, so I use you know, full transparency myself.
I use s GC and p s A. I used
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to use Backett back in the in the hey day.
They kind of for me, have kind of fallen off
that pedalstal Can they come back. I'm not rooting against them,
you know, Dustin, but you know, they're just not an
option for me now. But if you look at my
show inventory, I'm sure there's some Becketts, a couple of
Beckett slabs in the inventory there, and same thing with
(17:11):
CDC and I'll buy, Like, I'll buy cards that are
in those slabs. I'm not like, while I may not
send you know, again, it's buy the card, right, not
the not the slab or the slav company.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
If I want to buy a card and it's a
good deal, it could be in a Becket slab, it
could be in a seat. I have a lot of
CD cards. So while I may not send all four,
I have all four of those represented in my amor so,
like you said to me, they're the four major players.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
You know, whatever way you rank them in your own mind,
that's up to you. But you know, I think that's
where we are, and I think it's it's gonna be
hard to crack into that top four if if you're not,
if you're on the outside, uh looking in, because there's
a lot of history there.
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Speaker 2 (18:53):
We om back.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Everyone even thinks CGC is new.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
They're not been around a while, but they've really gotten
more so into the card aspect than in the last
couple of years. So to be in that top four,
you've got to sort of have some some track record,
and I think those four, as you pointed out, uh
check those boxes. So but again right to to each
(19:20):
their own. You know, some people I used to use
toploaders to put Michael Now I'm a semi richid guy.
Someday maybe I switched back and uh, you know, so
you can always pivot and change your opinion as need be,
or if something happened and that's the beauty of the hobby.
I always tell people, right, you're the CEO of your
own hobby company and how you collect what you buy.
(19:43):
You don't have to go to a board of directors
and approve maybe your wife if you're married. But that's
why I have that separate account, so I don't even
she's not on my board of hobby directors. That's the
But I say that in a in a in a
not mean spirited way, but a funny way. So so
we're all kind of, you know, we're in control over
how we want to have and that's that's the fun
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part of it.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah, No, absolutely, And it's funny too because we've had
these conversations what cards we're buying and that sort of
a thing. And she's kind of more along the line of, hey, look,
you know, like you've got your like the channel money.
You know, it buys the cards, buys the collectibles. But
there's always thought around, yes, you know, like because I
get a lot of joy out of low end. We
talked about eighty nine pro set Barry Sanders stuff. You
(20:26):
can get those for a few bucks. So her take
is more of, you know, make sure it's a strong store.
Value if you're going to put some significant money into it.
So like cards I'm targeting today's video. I know this
will come out later on, but going back a couple
of weeks when this is going, you know, back to
the future or whatever.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
The video I made today was three cards I'm targeting
at the National They're all vintage baseball cards because I
have no vintage baseball cards in my collection. So you know,
I'm trying to just balance things out a little bit
to where I feel good, like it's awesome stuff that
I love, but also what I feel is a pretty
strong store of value, you know. So that's really kind
of where I like, everyone's happy.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yeah, And it makes sense if you're going to spend
a significant amount of money on a card, it makes
sense to to you know, purchase a card that if
and when the time comes and like you have to
like sell it or move on from it, like you
don't want to necessary to lose.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Now, we don't.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Control that, but with some research and using our heads
and experience, right we didn't just get into hobby yesterday.
We can make some smart buying choice in my approach,
and I didn't do it. I usually do it I
didn't this year. I might do it kind of after
or just I'll kind of preload it. But I always
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go in with a list of five cards that i'd
like to get, knowing I'm not number one. I couldn't
afford all five even if I wanted to, But like,
I always try to get two of the five, not
sure in which two? For sure, two of the five.
But you know, I don't want to go in with
just two because if you miss out on one, you know,
you almost feel like it's not a failure, but you
(22:03):
sort of feel you set yourself up for a little
bit disappointment. So I go in what a target list
off I would hoping to check two of those. A
great show would be three. Two is what you're hoping for.
One is like what happened? You know, did I not
do due diligence?
Speaker 7 (22:19):
And the problem is that the problem with vintage baseball
is so I made this video today and my comments
section is now full of like, oh, well, you know,
think about this one, think about that one. And that's
the problem with vintage baseball cards is it's like this
endless rabbit hole. And that's part of the reason why
I kind of avoided a little bit because I'm like,
damn it, you know, I'm ended up spending like my
entire collection end up being like vintage baseball, you know,
(22:39):
because once you kind of get into it, then you're
and I don't want to be the guy that's necessarily
just buying like all Hall of Famers or something. I
want to be kind more of a player collector. I'm
really focused on Willie May's Barry Bonds and what was
the other one that the other player I'm just drawing
a blank on the red sox that the hitter I'm
drawing a blank on.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You're tugging on the vintage side. Yeah, pre war Ted Williams.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Ted Williams, and then Roberto Clemente. So like those are
like the four guys and then but like Jackie Robinson,
if there's a there's a great Jackie Robinson card like
that would be tough to like if the price is right,
if it's like, you know, a great looking copy. That's
the problem for me with vintage baseball is it could
just turn into like that's my whole focus, you know,
for a while, which is good. I mean there's nothing
(23:28):
wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, And we both know and and people out there
listening know as well, Dustin too. There are certain players,
right that are just known for holding their value, if
not increasing where you know, like, yeah, it's gonna cost
me a little bit here, but like you know, down
the line, I'm not gonna have trouble if I have
to get out of the card. If that's if that
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day comes, I'll be okay. Jackie Leaf Rookie. You know
when I explain that to my wife, that checks that
sort of body and that's not and again that's not
that's my point.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's not the only car.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
There are a lot of cards that that fit that
description and bill so that's important to know, you know,
and and making no smarter purchases right that you know,
like yeah, this is it's just it's just money in
a different form. Whenever it's like putting it in the bank,
but instead of sitting in the vault, it's sitting on
(24:20):
your desk or wherever you store your cards, or maybe
it is in the bank and the deposit box potentially,
but it's still it's shifted in a different form. And
I think sometimes we forget about.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That or sight of that, and uh uh, you know,
we get again.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
We're recording this before the National, so I kind of
go in with five, hoping to get two three would
be like a real success too, is kind of the goal.
And if I get one, you know, something happened, it's
something wrong, or it's a tough show. But even then, right,
it's still it's not even just the cards, right, it's
it's talking. I'm looking forward to to seeing you there
(24:58):
and shaking your hand. It's it's the events after the show. Uh,
you know, I'm going to a White Sox Phillies game.
I got a couple of dinners, psa registry part. It's
it's more than the cards, Like the cards is the
common thread, but it's everything, you know, I could probably
I know a guy will mention his name. He said
he spent his card budget even before the National. He's
(25:21):
still going to the National with that budget, just to
see everybody have dinners, enjoy the camaraderie and that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
So the cards is a big part of the story,
but it's not the only part of the story. And
so when I get one card, zero cards, two three,
it's still gonna be a fun five days. I know
you you'll probably feel the same way, and you know,
looking forward to the seeing you here, you know, a
few a little over a week.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So when we're recording this.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna be fun. And that that is
kind of fun of it. Every year there will be
new whether it be viewers or content creator that I've
connected with because i feel like I've known you for
a long time but I've never met you, because I've
been watching you for a while, you know, obviously for years.
But every year there's always like people like that where
it's like, oh, yeah, you know, and and you know
you're able.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
To connect and you know that that's a lot of
fun for sure.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, And it's funny because you know someone will say,
you know, and I've seen you, and I'm like, I
don't want to bug him like the times i've seen yet,
like you're looking at something or talking and I'm like,
I'll catch him when he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
In like mid conversation. I don't want to interrupt the
potential ins act. Then I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Then I don't see again. But I'll make a point
for sure this year to even if it's interrupting the transaction,
maybe I'll be I'll talk into to buying something, yeah,
talk about earlier in the show. But I've had people say, oh,
I saw you man, I didn't want to bug in.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm like, no, I'm a talkative guy, like don't.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Don't you know Sometimes I gotta be careful because you
get in all these conversations and it's like three or
four hours. They're like, I haven't even looked at any
cards yet or at tables yet. You sort of got
a balance balance that time out. So but I always
tell people I'm I'm very approachable, as you know. That's
that's that's you know, like the tagline of the show, right,
(27:11):
the hobby is the people. The cards are obviously, uh,
the common thread why we're passionate about, but.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's the people and the stories you.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Know, that go along with it that make up the
hobby and why it's so enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
We could sit at home behind a computer and never
leave the house and buy cards, and that might be
a little fun. I'm not gonna you know, we do that.
But the fun is going out there and having conversations
sharing you know, what we pick up not even just
about cards, but life and is having those great covers.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So that's the least how I look at it.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I think too, it's It's an interesting dynamic because really,
if we're if we're talking about collecting cards and looking
at cards, whether it's in binders or top loaders or
graded cards or whatever. Usually you're kind of isolated when
you're doing that. You're doing that by yourself at your house.
So when you go to a card show or you
go to the National it's kind of a it's a
unique experience in that you're around another five thousand people,
(28:08):
one hundred thousand people that are doing kind of that
same isolated event that you do at home, and it's
like it's having all those like minded people together and
from all different backgrounds, and you know, that's that's a
really I think that's what kind of ties it all together.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Is that part of.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
It, because then you're you know, because I don't know
the best way to explain, it's almost kind of like
an introverted hobby in a way, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
And then it's almost I'll say this, I just wrote
an article, does it it's almost not to make it.
It's almost religious, right, we go with like if you're
a certain belief you go to church with people who
believe the same thing. Right, it's sort of that, you know,
you even talked about it earlier, like, you know, it's
(28:50):
it's it's not mecca, but it's the hobby mecca. Right,
It's the one week every year we circle on the counter.
You're not going to get more hobbyists in one bill
lean at the same time. And I don't care what
other show. This is the show. You call it the
greatest show on turf. I agree, it's the greatest card
show every year, regardless of what city. Chicago, Atlantic City, Cleveland,
(29:15):
Detroit in three years, Atlanta in three years, whatever it
may be. Uh, you know, we look forward to every
every year. We make plans. It's even more than the cards, right,
it's the stuff that happens once the show doors closed,
it's even before the show, and it's all that you're
not going to get that many like minded people in
(29:37):
one place, hobbywise anyway, at one time, and so not
not that like compare it to religion, but it has
some parallels there, almost like a pilgrimage. Right, every year
we're pilgrimageinge to you know, insert city here. For for us,
it's gonna be Chicago this year and the next two
and we'll see after that. But you know, you mentioned
(30:00):
Mecca and I wrote an article where I mentioned like
Mecca and Jerusalem and not to not to bring really
but it has that hobby, the hobby equivalent, uh to
those kinds of places.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Yeah, it's really that serious and and people outsiders probably
thank you guys are nuts, but it is that serious though,
you know, I mean weird, it's a weird bond that
we all have.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, but it's fun and that's why we do it,
and that's what it's about. And uh, listen, I'm glad
you came on. Probably I should have had you on
frankly sooner. That's that's on me. I apologize, and we'll
have you on again. There was some things I did,
I had bullet points and we didn't even get to
tackle tonight, so.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We'll save them for hopefully Let's Together appearance.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
And I look forward I know this will air again
with the show being over and done, but look forward
to seeing you here a little over a week as well.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Same to you, John, I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, and as always, listened, last last word, share anything
your social where people can get your content, YouTube channel,
take your time, get all that stuff out there.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I don't have a lot, I mean I would say,
kind of my channel or kind of the platform of
choice for me has always been YouTube. It's a sports
card Dad, and then I'm on Twitter x as a
sports card dat and then also on ig at sports
card Dat. But YouTube is really kind of where I
live mostly, you know. And that's really I would say,
probably the best way to find me in the comment section,
(31:26):
or you can email me in the video description. I've
got my email address if you want to reach out
in my videos, I'm available.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
All right, there you go. Dustin thanks again.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Has always had a blast time flu right by, so
we'll have to do be good.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yeah man, all right, thanks John, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Take care, all right.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Awesome having Dustin on the program. That was part two.
If you missed part one, just go back a week.
It's right there. Take this moment two. Besides thanking Dustin,
next week we have Brett McGrath from Stacking Labs will
be our distinguished guest on Sportscard Nation. I forgot to
(32:05):
thank the sponsors in the intro, so I'll take that
moment now to do that. Iron Sports Cards, SCD, Sports Collectors,
Digest who I'm privileged to write for Hobby Hotline. As
we make the move or made the move to four
Collectors and upper Deck. So thanks to all those entities
(32:27):
for making this show possible and appreciate it. So we're
gonna have our hobbies the People Announcer the Week and
wrap up this week's episode.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the Week.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Hello, this is Mark Oyle and remember the hobby is
the People.
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
Spawns guy Nation. What is up? Everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Welcome to episode three fifty two of Sports Cardination Podcast
and part two of our great conversation with Dustin from
Sportscard Dad. Hopefully enjoyed last week's first part. Part two
continues on this episode again for those that are maybe new,
(00:44):
we used to do longer episodes, but now we do
our interviews in two parts and to keep them a
little bit more consumable. So Dustin returns this week we
chop up some more hobby. So without further ado, let's
get to that. All right. Here is part two of
our conversation with Dustin from sports card Dad, and we're
(01:06):
gonna start off here talking about what he PCs, how
he moves cards and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Uh you talk about, you know, buying and selling. We
both do that kind of for for those that don't know,
like what do you PC and you know what how
do you sell your cards?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
For me, you know all the all the major platforms
for ebays, com, even sport Lots and obviously I do
about two shows a month on average, so twenty four
shows a year.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
You know. I PC vintage Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I don't want to say vintage Hall of Fame, graded
rookies of the four sports, and Jackie sort of my
my guy. Even modern wise, I'm a big bobby with
so I try to eat, you know, even though I'm heavy,
I'm heavy vintage. I'm a sports fan. I still watch
current sports, so I try to still you know, collect
along those lines for you where do where do you
(02:00):
fall in there?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
So I am a longtime New Orleans Saints fan, so
I'm a we're season ticket holders. My wife, when I
was dating her, I said, this is kind of funny.
I started dating her in two thousand and nine January.
The Saints won the Super Bowl in January twenty ten,
so she like, our like love story is wrapped around
the only Saints super Bowl winning season. And I told her,
(02:23):
I'm like, this is never this is probably never going
to happen like this again, you know, like and so
she was like the lucky charm and all that sort
of a thing. But we got on the waiting list
for season tickets in two thousand and nine during the
season because She's like, oh, let's like there's a waiting list.
We'll get on the waiting list. Well, two years ago
we got the call, like after Sean Payton and Drew
Brees left, so like we're literally on the wait list
for like fifteen years. We finally get the call. So
(02:44):
we buy tickets and we're season ticket holders. So I'm
a huge Drew Brees is the best Saint that ever played,
so he's my main PC guy. And then I also
have I have got a pretty solid Tom Brady collection
as well. But with Tom Brady, you know, you could
spend a lot on Tom Brady stuff, but he's kind
of more of like my goat, you know, I like
the football goat, you know, so, but I've got you know,
(03:05):
I would say football cards in general are kind of
where if I go back to my hobby roots eighty
nine pro set, trying to find Barry Sanders Oklahoma State
rookies and Troy Aikman and Dion Sanders. You know, so
football cards is really kind of my first love and
basketball with Michael Jordan coming up. I'm a junk wax
era kid. So my dad was an officer in the
(03:26):
Air Force. I was actually born in Germany. We lived
in England for five years, and I moved to the
US for the first time. I was a US citizen
obviously because of my dad, but I was seven years old.
We moved to Panama City, Florida, and then that's where
I start. You know, there's those local card shops and
all that, but football basketball. That's when the Becketts first
came out. Was nineteen ninety For both of those, you
probably remember all of that, and so that kind of
(03:48):
you know, I'm eight nine years old at that kind
of like kickstarted everything. You're checking the Beckett So I'm
I'm I fell right in line with that junk wax era.
So I've got a lot of fot I've got a
Johnny Unitis rookie. I've got bart Star rookie. Actually, I've
just got it right here on my desk, you know.
So I've got a lot of variety. I also have
a on the non sports side, I've got you know,
(04:10):
like the only Stephen King pack pulled autograph is this.
You can't really see it. I can't get a good
like lock on it. A big Stranger Things card collector.
I've got a bunch of rare Things cards because it's inexpensive,
and my whole family watches the show. We got season
five coming up. But I'm also just like an eighties
nineties nostalgia nerd, So I'm also one of these weirdo's that, yes,
(04:33):
I have a lot of sports cards. I have got nonsports.
I've got a eighty four star Jordan p s A
five five. That's my best card. But I've also got
graded comic books, I've got graded action figures, I've got
graded video I've got like graded you know, original Nintendo games.
So there's a lot of like, you know, eighties nineties
nostalgia collectibles as a whole, not just I've got a
(04:56):
lot of sports cards, but I've got a big mix.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, it sounds like you stay kind of true to
your roots, kind of what you grew up liking and
enjoying and kind of now still doing it, uh in
this fashion, right, And uh you hear a lot of that, right.
I try to do that as much as possible. I've even,
you know, on the non sports side, I've started to
pick up cards of my favorite actors and.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Actresses, musician and and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And the non sports, as you well know, Dustin has
really made strides in the in the last few years
and have gotten more more even more mainstream and more accepted.
Not that it needed to be for for me, like
if I like it, I just you know, that's fine
by me, but even more people have started to dabble
in it at.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Least or go even maybe even more than dabbling.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
So, uh, you know, it's fun and uh, very few
things that are not covered on cards. You know, we
got pick a ball players, We've got bowlers, you know,
with all the even even just celebrities now peering whether
it be gin there or whatever else. It's just get
covered so many different things, and it's fun. Right you
(06:08):
can buy what you like and if you don't like it,
you don't have to buy it. So I kind of
alluded to it early on in the show, like you know,
we like you said, we both have shows that that
generate some income for me that comes through sponsors on
my audio side, it comes from downloads on the audio side.
(06:31):
I often sometimes get I don't want to say often,
but sometimes I will get criticized, sometimes publicly, sometimes privately.
I've noticed you got you get that too, uh, And
I know we talked before we even started recording. For me, like,
I will never have like a sponsor during the show itself.
(06:53):
I will never have a sponsor that It's not something
that I don't use already or support or recommend.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You don't shield for anything just for the sake of
a dollar. Uh, And I think it's similar.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
For you, and I think we're you know, I'm biased,
but I think we're unfairly criticized when we do get
some of that flack. And uh, you know, I don't
apologize for it. I have no problem explaining kind of
my stance on it, just so people are more aware,
you know, kind of your I can only speak for
myself obviously, but your your take when when you when
(07:30):
you face a little bit of that that flack or criticism.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Yeah, I mean I know how much time and effort
it makes it takes to make content, and so you know,
anytime I ever see any content creator, whether it's in
cards or golf channel or what any any YouTube, I'm
always if they have a sponsorship, I'm thinking, like good
for them. That's always my reaction. And it's just simply
because you know, this isn't rocket science what we do.
(07:54):
It's not like we're solving cancer. But it is, it
is work. It's really fun work. Don't get me wrong.
I mean I wouldn't be doing it. You wouldn't be
doing it if it wasn't really fun. It's just an
extension of our hobby. But you know, if someone is
able to make a few extra bucks, you know, with
their channel, and again, as you mentioned earlier, it's just
going right back into the hobby.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It's going back into cards.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
It's helping to fund you know, buys, you know, it's
it's helping to get new camera equipment or whatever it is.
So you know, it's it's just part of the circle
of life, you know, that helps people. It's it'd be
it'd almost be like getting if I was like irritated
because someone bought a card for one hundred dollars and
then sold it for three hundred dollars and like, what
what do you mean You've made two hundred dollars? That's crazy?
(08:33):
How why did you? Why did you do that? You know,
that's how they're funding their hobby. That's that's how our
hobby works, you know. That's like our entire hobby is
literally buying, selling, trading, buying, grading, selling, you know, like
take your pick on whatever that's going to look like.
So for me, like you know, the channels and the
proliferation really the expansion of hobby content and more and
(08:54):
more channels are now getting sponsorships. It's becoming more normal.
I would say, though, maybe part of our issue is
that if you go back a few years, there was
not many channels that had any sort of sponsorship, and
so maybe that was kind of new in this in
this space to some degree as YouTube grew and viewership grew,
you know, and maybe that's part of it. Maybe it's
(09:14):
just kind of like people weren't used to seeing it
nowadays though, you know, there's a lot of channels that
have different, different agreements in place, and like you said,
you know, there's some you know, content creators that decide
not to have sponsorships, and that's great.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
That's on them.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
If they don't want to do it, then that's that's
perfectly fine. I guess I just don't have like a
judgment one way or another. You know, if people decide
to do it, great, if they don't, then great, you know,
I mean, I just I don't understand though getting worked
up about it. I do try. People will say, like
oh man, you know, so much of the video as
the sponsor talk, and I literally try to I have
it down about forty five seconds of my video because
(09:51):
I'm cognizant of it, you know, to where it's at max.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
It's about a.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Minute that I'm talking about a sponsor in a like
a eight to twelve minute video. So my goal is
to try to just kind of get it in there.
And you know, most people, for the I mean the
majority of people are like, hey, I don't mind it
at all.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
You know, there's just some people that don't.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
And that's okay, yeah, well said, and I agree across
the board. And I've done things even as the show
has grown and increased. And you know, I used to
run three or four like commercials during during an episode,
you know doesn't And now what I do is I
run one featured sponsor for episode and I thank the
(10:30):
other let's say three in the intro. Hey thank all
our sponsors. I know doctor Jim does that on his show,
and then run one commercial instead of three or four.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And that's kind of taking some of those ads out.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
You know, Spreaker, which is the platform I'm on for audio,
they sort of put their own at the at the
front pre row and then row. And I always tell people,
doesn't I'm sure you've said the same thing, like like
just hit the fast forward thirty second button, like the
man you hear like the pro mode if you don't
want to hear it, like the maybe a sponsor won't
(11:05):
really want me to say that, but like if you're
listening and you don't, like you don't want to hear that,
just hit that third.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I've done it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I've done it while listening to other content myself, so
I can't knock someone for doing it too. And that's
the option you have, So you can just skip to
the part when we're doing the show we're talking about
cards and and you know, no one's so worse for
the wear. But like like you said, you know, it's
it's we're transacting, right, It's it's a lot of those
(11:33):
funds go right back into the hobby, and the hobby
is where it is because all of us are are transacting.
And I think sometimes that criticism comes from whether it
be a jealous place or whatnot. I've even had a
content creator like say, hey, you know, how did he
word it to me? It's like, oh, I don't I
don't take sponsorships, so my opinion is more pure. And
(11:58):
you know, I'm like, well, maybe it is. I can't
say it is or it isn't, but mine is just
as well. Like SGC is one of the sponsors of
the show, and I've been on this very show when
they when we agreed to that, I said, listen, I'm
if if I don't agree with something you're doing, I'm
gonna use tag and be respectful, but I'm going to
talk into the mic and say, hey, man, I don't
(12:19):
like this or I don't like what's going on right now.
And they're like, no, well, by all means, if you
keep it respectful and not personal, we can't. You know,
we're good with that. And so I've been on this
very show and it's been critical, uh, in a respectful
way of SGC.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So you know that's not hilling.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I wouldn't if they ever If if any sponsor
said oh, you can't do that, then our conversations kind
of over in terms of like a working relationship.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
So and I've never had that, by the way, too,
I'm sure you probably haven't either. I mean I probably
worked with a probably a dozen companies, maybe more, and
no one has ever said don't say this or don't say.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
You're right, I'm or unless I was just giving the
heads up like this is kind of you know, they
didn't they didn't open open that conversation. I just said,
here's how the show goes. As long as you're comfortable
with that, we'll be fine. They're like, yeah, no problem.
Just the only thing they said is what I already said, like,
I'll be tactful and respectful. It's not gonna be personal,
(13:19):
you know what I mean. And they're like, yeah, that's fine.
And they've been on the program. Peter Steinberg has been
on the program numerous times. I've asked them tough questions, Uh,
and that so so that's and and and I think
that's so when that person said, oh, more pure, I
point to that like, hey, you know, uh, and they're
(13:39):
a listener to the show, and like you didn't you
hear me be critical. They're a sponsored so I'm you know,
I don't know if you're more pure, we're tied or whatever,
but like you know, it's like you said, that's a
personal choice on their content side, that they're not going
to take any spot.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And that's the fallacy there though, is that it's making
the case that if you're not sponsored, then you're not biased,
which is not true.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So the way that I've always.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I was with SGC for for two years, they sponsored
the channel, and now I'm a PSA partner and both
companies have been great. You know, I know they're under
the same you know umbrella now, you know. But the
way that I always manage grading is, first off, I'm
a huge believer in third party grading authentication because you
and I, I mean we were there in the late
eighties nineties when there was no grading and it was
(14:29):
a total it was a free for all.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
It was real.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
You know, people are like, oh, it's the wild West now, No, no, no,
it was the wild West in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
That's when it was the wild West.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
You know, we had this that that autograph you know
that the you know, the guy coming out with the
autograph stuff. We we won't go into all that now, but
like that was the norm in nineteen ninety. There were
it was like handwritten coas I remember at the mall,
like it was like a disaster you know back then.
So I'm a huge and the way that I kind
of navigate grading partners is I think we have four
(14:58):
very strong companies in the space we do. We have
four great grading companies. So even though I might be
partnered with SGC or it might be PSA, you know,
if you decide to go to CGC, that's great, or
if you decide to go to Beckett for certain cards,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I mean like, we have great, four great companies. In
nineteen ninety we had zero great company. We had nothing,
you know, So I mean, yes, there's mistakes made, you
know whatever, But I mean like we're in such a
great spot with third party grading authentication now and that's
how So yes, you know, I might have a bias
towards PSA, or I might have a bias towards SGC,
but I'm a believer as a whole in third party grading.
(15:34):
And just because someone is not sponsored by any of
those grading companies, they still have their own biases, they
still have their own grading biases, they grade with whoever
they grade with, and they're still going to give an opinion.
So I never understood that that argument.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, no, it's a great point.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And they might not get they might not be getting
financially compensated, but they're you know, anytime you do content,
you're giving your opinion.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Unless you're really and you you.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Literally drive down the middle of the road and either way.
So we're all we're all given our opinions. It's just
sometimes we're compensated or not. But neither one makes us
less more or less, you know, honest, it's just how
we feel. Right Like I again, I've been critical of
even As even as they sponsored the program, and I
(16:22):
was up front right from from day one with them,
and I've never had an issue.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And you know, I don't know how many years now.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It's for so so, But you're right, whether someone has
a sponsor or not, they're still given. Oh I don't
use this so and so company, and I use this
one hundred percent. I you, like you said, I agree,
there's four companies, so I use you know, full transparency myself.
I use s GC and p s A. I used
(16:51):
to use Backett back in the in the hey day.
They kind of for me, have kind of fallen off
that pedalstal Can they come back. I'm not rooting against them,
you know, Dustin, but you know, they're just not an
option for me now. But if you look at my
show inventory, I'm sure there's some Becketts, a couple of
Beckett slabs in the inventory there, and same thing with
(17:11):
CDC and I'll buy, Like, I'll buy cards that are
in those slabs. I'm not like, while I may not
send you know, again, it's buy the card, right, not
the not the slab or the slav company.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
If I want to buy a card and it's a
good deal, it could be in a Becket slab, it
could be in a seat. I have a lot of
CD cards. So while I may not send all four,
I have all four of those represented in my amor so,
like you said to me, they're the four major players.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
You know, whatever way you rank them in your own mind,
that's up to you. But you know, I think that's
where we are, and I think it's it's gonna be
hard to crack into that top four if if you're not,
if you're on the outside, uh looking in, because there's
a lot of history there.
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one eight hundred eight two nine fifty five sixty one out.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
We om back.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Everyone even thinks CGC is new.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
They're not been around a while, but they've really gotten
more so into the card aspect than in the last
couple of years. So to be in that top four,
you've got to sort of have some some track record,
and I think those four, as you pointed out, uh
check those boxes. So but again right to to each
(19:20):
their own. You know, some people I used to use
toploaders to put Michael Now I'm a semi richid guy.
Someday maybe I switched back and uh, you know, so
you can always pivot and change your opinion as need be,
or if something happened and that's the beauty of the hobby.
I always tell people, right, you're the CEO of your
own hobby company and how you collect what you buy.
(19:43):
You don't have to go to a board of directors
and approve maybe your wife if you're married. But that's
why I have that separate account, so I don't even
she's not on my board of hobby directors. That's the
But I say that in a in a in a
not mean spirited way, but a funny way. So so
we're all kind of, you know, we're in control over
how we want to have and that's that's the fun
(20:04):
part of it.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah, No, absolutely, And it's funny too because we've had
these conversations what cards we're buying and that sort of
a thing. And she's kind of more along the line of, hey, look,
you know, like you've got your like the channel money.
You know, it buys the cards, buys the collectibles. But
there's always thought around, yes, you know, like because I
get a lot of joy out of low end. We
talked about eighty nine pro set Barry Sanders stuff. You
(20:26):
can get those for a few bucks. So her take
is more of, you know, make sure it's a strong store.
Value if you're going to put some significant money into it.
So like cards I'm targeting today's video. I know this
will come out later on, but going back a couple
of weeks when this is going, you know, back to
the future or whatever.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
The video I made today was three cards I'm targeting
at the National They're all vintage baseball cards because I
have no vintage baseball cards in my collection. So you know,
I'm trying to just balance things out a little bit
to where I feel good, like it's awesome stuff that
I love, but also what I feel is a pretty
strong store of value, you know. So that's really kind
of where I like, everyone's happy.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yeah, And it makes sense if you're going to spend
a significant amount of money on a card, it makes
sense to to you know, purchase a card that if
and when the time comes and like you have to
like sell it or move on from it, like you
don't want to necessary to lose.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Now, we don't.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Control that, but with some research and using our heads
and experience, right we didn't just get into hobby yesterday.
We can make some smart buying choice in my approach,
and I didn't do it. I usually do it I
didn't this year. I might do it kind of after
or just I'll kind of preload it. But I always
(21:42):
go in with a list of five cards that i'd
like to get, knowing I'm not number one. I couldn't
afford all five even if I wanted to, But like,
I always try to get two of the five, not
sure in which two? For sure, two of the five.
But you know, I don't want to go in with
just two because if you miss out on one, you know,
you almost feel like it's not a failure, but you
(22:03):
sort of feel you set yourself up for a little
bit disappointment. So I go in what a target list
off I would hoping to check two of those. A
great show would be three. Two is what you're hoping for.
One is like what happened? You know, did I not
do due diligence?
Speaker 7 (22:19):
And the problem is that the problem with vintage baseball
is so I made this video today and my comments
section is now full of like, oh, well, you know,
think about this one, think about that one. And that's
the problem with vintage baseball cards is it's like this
endless rabbit hole. And that's part of the reason why
I kind of avoided a little bit because I'm like,
damn it, you know, I'm ended up spending like my
entire collection end up being like vintage baseball, you know,
(22:39):
because once you kind of get into it, then you're
and I don't want to be the guy that's necessarily
just buying like all Hall of Famers or something. I
want to be kind more of a player collector. I'm
really focused on Willie May's Barry Bonds and what was
the other one that the other player I'm just drawing
a blank on the red sox that the hitter I'm
drawing a blank on.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You're tugging on the vintage side. Yeah, pre war Ted Williams.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Ted Williams, and then Roberto Clemente. So like those are
like the four guys and then but like Jackie Robinson,
if there's a there's a great Jackie Robinson card like
that would be tough to like if the price is right,
if it's like, you know, a great looking copy. That's
the problem for me with vintage baseball is it could
just turn into like that's my whole focus, you know,
for a while, which is good. I mean there's nothing
(23:28):
wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, And we both know and and people out there
listening know as well, Dustin too. There are certain players,
right that are just known for holding their value, if
not increasing where you know, like, yeah, it's gonna cost
me a little bit here, but like you know, down
the line, I'm not gonna have trouble if I have
to get out of the card. If that's if that
(23:49):
day comes, I'll be okay. Jackie Leaf Rookie. You know
when I explain that to my wife, that checks that
sort of body and that's not and again that's not
that's my point.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's not the only car.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
There are a lot of cards that that fit that
description and bill so that's important to know, you know,
and and making no smarter purchases right that you know,
like yeah, this is it's just it's just money in
a different form. Whenever it's like putting it in the bank,
but instead of sitting in the vault, it's sitting on
(24:20):
your desk or wherever you store your cards, or maybe
it is in the bank and the deposit box potentially,
but it's still it's shifted in a different form. And
I think sometimes we forget about.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That or sight of that, and uh uh, you know,
we get again.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
We're recording this before the National, so I kind of
go in with five, hoping to get two three would
be like a real success too, is kind of the goal.
And if I get one, you know, something happened, it's
something wrong, or it's a tough show. But even then, right,
it's still it's not even just the cards, right, it's
it's talking. I'm looking forward to to seeing you there
(24:58):
and shaking your hand. It's it's the events after the show. Uh,
you know, I'm going to a White Sox Phillies game.
I got a couple of dinners, psa registry part. It's
it's more than the cards, Like the cards is the
common thread, but it's everything, you know, I could probably
I know a guy will mention his name. He said
he spent his card budget even before the National. He's
(25:21):
still going to the National with that budget, just to
see everybody have dinners, enjoy the camaraderie and that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
So the cards is a big part of the story,
but it's not the only part of the story. And
so when I get one card, zero cards, two three,
it's still gonna be a fun five days. I know
you you'll probably feel the same way, and you know,
looking forward to the seeing you here, you know, a
few a little over a week.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So when we're recording this.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna be fun. And that that is
kind of fun of it. Every year there will be
new whether it be viewers or content creator that I've
connected with because i feel like I've known you for
a long time but I've never met you, because I've
been watching you for a while, you know, obviously for years.
But every year there's always like people like that where
it's like, oh, yeah, you know, and and you know
you're able.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
To connect and you know that that's a lot of
fun for sure.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, And it's funny because you know someone will say,
you know, and I've seen you, and I'm like, I
don't want to bug him like the times i've seen yet,
like you're looking at something or talking and I'm like,
I'll catch him when he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
In like mid conversation. I don't want to interrupt the
potential ins act. Then I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Then I don't see again. But I'll make a point
for sure this year to even if it's interrupting the transaction,
maybe I'll be I'll talk into to buying something, yeah,
talk about earlier in the show. But I've had people say, oh,
I saw you man, I didn't want to bug in.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm like, no, I'm a talkative guy, like don't.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Don't you know Sometimes I gotta be careful because you
get in all these conversations and it's like three or
four hours. They're like, I haven't even looked at any
cards yet or at tables yet. You sort of got
a balance balance that time out. So but I always
tell people I'm I'm very approachable, as you know. That's
that's that's you know, like the tagline of the show, right,
(27:11):
the hobby is the people. The cards are obviously, uh,
the common thread why we're passionate about, but.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's the people and the stories you.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Know, that go along with it that make up the
hobby and why it's so enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
We could sit at home behind a computer and never
leave the house and buy cards, and that might be
a little fun. I'm not gonna you know, we do that.
But the fun is going out there and having conversations
sharing you know, what we pick up not even just
about cards, but life and is having those great covers.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So that's the least how I look at it.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I think too, it's It's an interesting dynamic because really,
if we're if we're talking about collecting cards and looking
at cards, whether it's in binders or top loaders or
graded cards or whatever. Usually you're kind of isolated when
you're doing that. You're doing that by yourself at your house.
So when you go to a card show or you
go to the National it's kind of a it's a
unique experience in that you're around another five thousand people,
(28:08):
one hundred thousand people that are doing kind of that
same isolated event that you do at home, and it's
like it's having all those like minded people together and
from all different backgrounds, and you know, that's that's a
really I think that's what kind of ties it all together.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Is that part of.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
It, because then you're you know, because I don't know
the best way to explain, it's almost kind of like
an introverted hobby in a way, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
And then it's almost I'll say this, I just wrote
an article, does it it's almost not to make it.
It's almost religious, right, we go with like if you're
a certain belief you go to church with people who
believe the same thing. Right, it's sort of that, you know,
you even talked about it earlier, like, you know, it's
(28:50):
it's it's not mecca, but it's the hobby mecca. Right,
It's the one week every year we circle on the counter.
You're not going to get more hobbyists in one bill
lean at the same time. And I don't care what
other show. This is the show. You call it the
greatest show on turf. I agree, it's the greatest card
show every year, regardless of what city. Chicago, Atlantic City, Cleveland,
(29:15):
Detroit in three years, Atlanta in three years, whatever it
may be. Uh, you know, we look forward to every
every year. We make plans. It's even more than the cards, right,
it's the stuff that happens once the show doors closed,
it's even before the show, and it's all that you're
not going to get that many like minded people in
(29:37):
one place, hobbywise anyway, at one time, and so not
not that like compare it to religion, but it has
some parallels there, almost like a pilgrimage. Right, every year
we're pilgrimageinge to you know, insert city here. For for us,
it's gonna be Chicago this year and the next two
and we'll see after that. But you know, you mentioned
(30:00):
Mecca and I wrote an article where I mentioned like
Mecca and Jerusalem and not to not to bring really
but it has that hobby, the hobby equivalent, uh to
those kinds of places.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Yeah, it's really that serious and and people outsiders probably
thank you guys are nuts, but it is that serious though,
you know, I mean weird, it's a weird bond that
we all have.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, but it's fun and that's why we do it,
and that's what it's about. And uh, listen, I'm glad
you came on. Probably I should have had you on
frankly sooner. That's that's on me. I apologize, and we'll
have you on again. There was some things I did,
I had bullet points and we didn't even get to
tackle tonight, so.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We'll save them for hopefully Let's Together appearance.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
And I look forward I know this will air again
with the show being over and done, but look forward
to seeing you here a little over a week as well.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Same to you, John, I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, and as always, listened, last last word, share anything
your social where people can get your content, YouTube channel,
take your time, get all that stuff out there.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I don't have a lot, I mean I would say,
kind of my channel or kind of the platform of
choice for me has always been YouTube. It's a sports
card Dad, and then I'm on Twitter x as a
sports card dat and then also on ig at sports
card Dat. But YouTube is really kind of where I
live mostly, you know. And that's really I would say,
probably the best way to find me in the comment section,
(31:26):
or you can email me in the video description. I've
got my email address if you want to reach out
in my videos, I'm available.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
All right, there you go. Dustin thanks again.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Has always had a blast time flu right by, so
we'll have to do be good.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yeah man, all right, thanks John, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Take care, all right.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Awesome having Dustin on the program. That was part two.
If you missed part one, just go back a week.
It's right there. Take this moment two. Besides thanking Dustin,
next week we have Brett McGrath from Stacking Labs will
be our distinguished guest on Sportscard Nation. I forgot to
(32:05):
thank the sponsors in the intro, so I'll take that
moment now to do that. Iron Sports Cards, SCD, Sports Collectors,
Digest who I'm privileged to write for Hobby Hotline. As
we make the move or made the move to four
Collectors and upper Deck. So thanks to all those entities
(32:27):
for making this show possible and appreciate it. So we're
gonna have our hobbies the People Announcer the Week and
wrap up this week's episode.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the Week.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Hello, this is Mark Oyle and remember the hobby is
the People.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
If you'd like to be the Hobby is the People
Announcer of the Week. To have or MP three file
and send it to sports Cord Nation see at gmail
dot com.
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