Step into the Paranormal: Episode 53

Help us welcome back from Full Spectrum Universe,
Rob Yox

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The bat Step into the Paranormal withErnie at Well and David Siler, brought

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to you by Paranormal Inc. Righthere on w lf E DP Radio.
Well, hello everybody, and welcometo episode Step into the Paranormal. I'm

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Dave Siler, Ernie at Well.Let's see it and just how I find
us right there? That's our whatthat's how I find us right here.
Oh I thought you said that's thefinest that's that's out there. Yeah,
well, okay, that's funny.Well, happy knew you to everybody.
If I you know, our lastepisode was a little bit depressing and very
sad. Um you know, wesay goodbye to end. Yeah, but

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this was gonna be kind of fun. We have a former guest. I
tell you I've been I've been reallylooking forward to getting this guest back because
as far as the the world ofpodcasting and radio shows, and this is
one of the guys that I mostdefinitely look up to with all his podcast

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work and I enjoy all the onesthat he's on, and uh, I've
been wanting to get him back on, but he runs sometimes a tight schedule,
none of the time to change yourmind. So we will welcome Rob,
Rob Fellas Rob Full Spectrum Universe.Hey, John, John's in here

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to be here, guys, AndI appreciate you saying that, Ernie.
We do a lot of work withit, but you know, having people
like you that we talked to allthe time and Dave two, it really
makes a community out of it.And we're all, you know, we're
all getting our chops up and gettingour game next level. And I think
it's really it's phenomenal because you Ilove this show. I love what you
guys do, and I look upto you guys, just the same way

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I guess you look up to me. So it's kind of an evolving door,
which is pretty cool. Absolutely,before Rob, just I'm not cutting
into your time, but I justwant to take twenty seconds before we get
started and just send out some love, some thoughts and prayers to all the
police that have been shot over thepast week and stupid, especially the three

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firefighters in Baltimore City that lost theirlife and for the one that miraculously recovered
from life support and is now athome. I mean it building collapsed on
three firefighters here in Baltimore during duringa three alarm blaze. I think it
was yeah, and you know rowhome completely engulfed and just clapsed on them.
Yeah. So it's been a it'sbeen a rough week for the first

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responders. UM. I just hadsomeone messaged me a little while ago.
Last night while we were asleep,there was an in and then here in
the county that Dave and I livein, UM, a suspect was shot
of cops in critical conditions. Sowe're waiting on that info. But just
thoughts and prayers to all the officersthat were shot in their family and friends

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and co workers, and our thoughtsare with you. Absolutely agree, man,
that's it's terrible. What's going onthere is terrible, But it's like
a war, you know it is. And the reason why I respect you
so much too, Earnie, isyou do is just incredible, you know.
And I backed up Blew one hundredand ten percent. We've got fan

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out there, and you know,it is just concerning and in a sense
of society of where that's going.But I truly believe that we're at this
precipice now where this is going tobe one of those moments that you know,
we transcend hopefully past it and don'tlet these things hinder us. From

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moving forward from this right, Like, not that not hinder us in that
sense, but to have to combatitivenature each other. We should be loving
each other and looking out for thepeople who are looking out for us and
keeping it safe for us to walkthe streets at night and things like that.
So I really you know, Andit's funny to all of them because
you say, like, um,you started off with what brings us together

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as a community, and it goesto show you where just the people in
the paranormal community and the paranormal family, how far that all of us reach
each other. Because any time ofthe night, trust me, any time
in the night, anywhere close towhere Dave and I are at or where
I work, when something goes down, you wouldn't believe the messages that come

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into my phone, Hey are youokay? Asking about you this morning?
Yeah, And she was like aworking I'm like, no, he works
out. So it's just it justgoes to show how far to love reaches
and the type of people that arein the paranormal community, just how far
where everything goes just beyond paranormal youknow. So, mister Rob, what

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has been going on on your end? My friend? Well, I mean
so much. Well, you know, you guys know, I started in
the paranormal community with podcasting. Westarted with paranormal types of podcasts, and
I've kind of worked my way outof it, but kind of had one
foot in that community where you don'tsee me as much anymore, and sort
of went into the history and consciousnessand spirituality realm. But it's all relative

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to me, like I have justas much love for the paranormal as I
do for all those other subjects,and I think it's all connected and it's
kind of a full circle. Andyou know, talking about what you were
talking about with you know, withthe police officers and the way society is
right now, I want to touchon society itself and show that I truly
believe through my research that there isthis veil, the thinning between us and

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that paranormal or spiritual realm. Andit's really it's it's voting for more evidence.
It's voting, especially in the paranormalcommunity, for more encounters, and
it's also voting for more of thesethe moments that where your heart stops for
a second and then you almost seeyour breath and now almost more like a

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fully apparition comes to you in thatsense. But there's so much more contact
between the physical and the non physicalnow and it's become a trend. And
from researching and watching the paranormal communityand how many people have the ability to
get on a show and show theirevidence and podcasts and all of the great
stuff that we see. And thenbeing on the consciousness side, that kind

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of the spiritual side, and howthey talk about these prophecies where it kind
of foretold of this time, thiscoming time where our souls or consciousness,
whatever you want to call it,is expanding into that universe, that spiritual
realm. And I've I've seen anuptick evidence and people having actual contact that

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you look at it and you golike, I'm sweat and watching it like
that's crazy. Like So I reallythink that there is this this blending of
realms right now and it's really cool. See let me ask you, So
he said that there's been an uptakeand evidence, what do you think it's
actually causing that uptake that's that veilthinning. I really think that us figuring

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out these these deceptions, these thesethings that are happening within society. And
I'm not going to go into thepolitical, but it does have something to
do with it. Getting over thatthat moment of worrying about the future or
what happened in the past, andkind of being in this now gause this
extra perception awareness which a lot ofmediums have already tapped into, and that's

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how they're able. I truly,this is just my belief. This isn't
science or anything like that, butthis is my own theories. I really
think that these mediums have the abilityto shut out everything else and just be
in that moment and feel the differencesand energies that are fluctuating, which in
turn gives them that that that lookonto the other side. And the thing

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is, and I'm sure you've encountered. We've encountered, and I'm sure you
have and everyone else that's watching.You know, how many times do you
tell someone, um, yeah,you know, we got this event this
weekend, or my radio shows thisweekend, Well, what's it about paranormal
I don't believe in that shit.I don't believe in ghosts, but people
don't really, And I love itwith the skeptics is the people don't.

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The people don't realize it's so muchdeeper than I saw a ghost or I
want to see a ghost. Andthis Friday, I'll be doing a seminar
um concerning my book and you know, everything in it and what's that congratulations

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by the way, it's awesome.But for those that have read it or
heard me speak about it, thespirit, spirituality side of everything is what
led me into paranormal because when Iwas young and I've read about all these
things, and you know, I'veread about spirit visitation and angels and all

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that stuff. You know, paranormalwasn't a household, everyday word. And
you know, I did a lotof research on people seeing religious figures of
religious icons what they believe was angelsand signs and prophetic visions. And then

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as the time went on and theshow started getting popular and people started investigating,
and I'm like, wait a minute, this is to me, this
is one and the same, youknow, and it's just it's snowballed from
there. And to go along withwhat you're saying, Rob, it's just
people don't understand the extent of thisfield and where it branches off at,

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you know what I mean. Andwhen you first time, for the first
time in your life, you seean apparition, in front of you.
That's when you kind of go whatthat ghost hunting is cool when you hear
the voices and you get the vps, but when you see a free floating
apparition down the hall in front ofyou and you're standing there going like see

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my um. I forget what chapternumber, but the chapter in the book
was called They Saw the Priest.And the very first time I ever saw
a full bodied apparition that I thoughtwas an actual person, I was eleven
years old in the basement of mychurch and I saw a priest. And

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that's how the story kicks off.And you're exactly right, you know.
But the fortunate thing with me ismy whole career, you know or whatever
in this field started in religion,and it started in spirituality, and then,

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you know, like I said,just as the time went on,
you know, in paranoora, youknow, like every other person in the
world is into the paranormal. ThenI've started, you know, putting the
pieces together, and I'm like,hey, wait a minute here, I
think, isn't the same thing.So Rob, how did you get started
in through history? Actually it's gonnabe a wild conversation, but the history

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that got me into paramal right.So, and this is actually going to
go back to my original point withthe thinning of the veil and why we're
in this cyclistic it's like a cycle. And if we look at like ancient
Rome and ancient Greece, they talkabout this time where they were able to
basically visit the underworld or the abstractworld that not of their own. It

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was a different world where essentially theycould go and commune with different as that
live down there. So this tome shows that there was spots on the
planet that potentially, you know,a lot of it is myth, but
what we know to be myth nowas researchers in his stories is actually more
factual than fictional, to be quitehonest about it, with different entities and

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different types of beings that we seethat live. It's just it has a
lot to do with like evolution.It's like that, so much to it.
But essentially I looked into history anda lot of the really rich historical
places or stories they have these thesetraumas than them. Right, something had

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happened, whether it was either amajor battle, um it was the house
for seventeen people decided that they thatthey were going to kill some one person
and then that person supposedly roam thehalls of that place for so long,
and eventually a lot of the storiesthat I was reading or histories these ancient
civilizations, they all had aspects ofether, real spirits that either came to

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talk to them, visit them,give the information. And that kind of
took me along the lines of ofufology and power normal in the same breath,
because a lot of whereof that stemmedfrom for me was this ancient astronaut
theory that the Earth was being visitedby these entities that were not of this
earth and extraterrestrial could be no,something that is not from this dimension,

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this world, whatever the case maybe. Because underneath it, let me
interrupt you, I'm going along withwhat you're saying. I have a question
for you, Like you said,at the point in time where now you
feel that the veil might be gettingthinner, do you think a part of
that could be because people were becomingmore educated? Absolutely? Absolutely, and

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a lot of people. Then here'sthe thing, like when when we talk
about spirituality, there's an aspect ofbut sometimes it's not that mainstay religion that
you would think of Judaism, Christianity, Islam. There's a lot of aspects
that go along. It's all introspectionalyou're all looking into into yourself, and

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I think when we start to assesswhat our potential is, it gives us
that glimpse or this actual awareness ofso much more than what we see in
this three D kind of world,right And essentially, I think is the
knowledge of the different practices that broughtthese different societies to believe in that that

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that veil or that past the veilarea. And there's so many different ways
we can look at it, becauseit's to us, it's what we manifest,
right like if we're we're talking aboutsomething and we think it and keeping
it sometimes freads it into existence.But when we look at these different societies
that were in history and we lookat what they saw as a dynamic for

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their specific world and how there wasthe heavens, there was the regular world,
and then there was the underworld,and that is the format across all
of these ancient civilizations now and whenwe see verification like that, that shows
that there is a that there's somethingat play that's either telling them that that's
what it is, or that peopleare understanding the all that they live in.

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Now. Dave and I we've hadand this is right up here,
Ali, Rob, Dave and Ihave had many cases excuse me, private
cases we were called to do wherewe believe that the client actually manifested the
activity themselves, unknowingly themselves. Youknow, Um, Mike King, you

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know everyone knows Mike King. MikeKing brought is a case last year.
Yeah, it was right before twoyears. Hasn't been two years? It
was right before or Christmas? Yeahyeah, let well anyway, son,
how yeah, it was right yeah. So any how, Mike brought us
his case and he actually showed up, and you know, we had to

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bring in like some spiritual healers andstuff. We brought up some demonologists and
who ended up telling us flat outbecause we could only go so far.
But we figured out that the womanwas manifesting it even in a back bedroom,
middle wintertime, flies everywhere. Shehad all these fly strips hanging out,

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flies everywhere, like dead meat hangingin there. That's what it smelled
like. But there was nothing.And she had a little girl who was
two years old. It was affectingas well. Well, you know,
you know, I'm a lame minister. So I actually used some holy water
put it on the child's hands asthe child didn't react, which was great,
which means it's not coming from orthrough or to the child. But

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it was only when the mother washolding the child with anything affect. So
I actually had it on my handwhile mom was holding it, and I
kind of went like this, andthat's where the child react. The thing
that spooked me, and being avery religious Roman Catholic. The child was
sitting there with the mother and shewas a little fussy, and I was
like, you know, it's okay, it's okay. Well, she didn't

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know I had a blessed crucifix thatI got in my hand without her knowing
it. And I repeated my samething, and I was like, it's
okay, it's okay, and Ihad the crucifix about this kid went jumped
out of her sk bananas. Andit was only while I was mom was
holding it. Right, it feltthe kid, the child felt the energy,

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It felt the energy coming off ofthe crucifix. Now, I know
we're jumping all over the place,but Rob, what is your take one?
And I'm sure you've seen like theancient writings or the ancient carvings where
it'll look like Egyptian time, yetin the far background will look like a
ufo. You know what I'm talkingabout, Like when we're looking at hier

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but you have like what looks likea UFOs. And I think that they're
depicting what they saw, and Ithink that they actually saw that. And
I'm going to tell you this storytoo, just to get to that ment,
just to go back to manifesting realquick. I have been in uphology
for about fifteen years. Never hadI ever had contact until and this is

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something that I think that I'm manifested. And it's crazy that you say that,
you know, you believe that peoplemanifested, because there is a link
to that I want. I've alwaystried to get my fiance into this type
of study or interested in what wedo paranormal wise and uphology wise, and
just even just to go into eighthistories with me. But she's got her

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own things that she does for herhobbies and it's not mine, right,
So I said, I said tomyself many times, imagine we had like
a shared experience. Maybe then itwould wake her up, like this is
really happening out there, and I'lltell you, sure shit, we did.
We did. I was out,I was doing I was doing an

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event called total Disclosure. It wasright around the time that that the government
was coming out with their disclosure packeton UFOs, because there were people were
asking about it. So we thoughtthat that was never going to amount to
anything great. So we did ourown disclosure by getting some of the best
and most knowledge spears of contact andexperiencers into an event. So two weeks

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before that event, I go outsidewith her to smoke a cigarette, and
all of a sudden, I lookup and I see this thing. It
looks like it's about it. It'sbigger than an actual star would be,
but it's that far away and itgoes from out I want to say,
maybe ten feet, stops dead,turns around and bolts back together way and

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disappears, and then around my house. I counted in twenty minutes there was
eight different aircraft did a triangle patternaround my house. And I lived nowhere
near an airport. So something happenednow and she saw it, and I
said to her, I said,did you see that? And she says,
I saw it. I don't knowwhat it is, but I think

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that I manifested that into reality becauseI wanted to so bad to be involved
in this community we are. I'vehad one time where I saw something one
explained. I saw it in nineteeneighty seven. I watched I don't know,
one of the unknown show, youknow, the million of the shows

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in their own travel channel, andon two different shows they were interviewing police,
and in nineteen ninety five, onthe other side of the country,
an officer saw the same thing thatI saw. Now. Furthermore, in

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talking with a friend of mine who'sa medium in Pennsylvania, she had the
same encounter in two thousand and eight. I believe now. I'm not saying
it was et, but it wasa flying object that I saw. And
when I watched that show where thatofficer saw it in nineteen ninety it was

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two officers saw it in nineteen ninetyfive. I almost passed out because it
was the exact same thing. Andmy friend she told me her story of
her encounter. It wasn't even thetopic. She just started talking about it,
and as she started explaining it,I started describing it, and she

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was like, you've saw this before, and I was like, yeah,
in nineteen eighty seven. I haveno idea what it was, but I
mean the government's now releasing the videos. I mean from the airplane. I
was on an aircraft carriers to flightthe Eisenhour when I was in the name,
right, And I can tell youI've seen some of the video that
comes in that nobody wants to talkabout, okay, and some of it

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hasn't been released, So I'm notgonna talk about those videos, but I
can talk about you see the tiktak video? Yes, yeah, How
do you explain something that goes tofrom zero to over twelve hundred knots in
over a second. We don't havea human aircraft that does that. No.
One of the things that I thinkabout the government video that really it's

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my goat, is it's always anight vision and if you look at an
afterburner and night vision, it looksalmost insane. Right, Like a lot
of those videos that the government putsout, they put them out in a
specific way because they don't want youto get They want to be able to
debunk it if they have to.Ye, So you're right, but they
say there are videos out there thatare just like so wild. You're like

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that can't be anything other. Andhere's the thing about it. People may
think that they're not this world,but they may not be of this universe,
of this dimension. They could benot of this time. They could
be on the other side of Antarctica. Like Admiral Bird. Do you remember,
you guys, remember Admiral Bird cameout a long time ago and said

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he went to Antartica and then hewent on the other side and there was
three other uh continents down there thatnobody can go to. And there is
technologically advanced When we UFOs in thenight sky, that's what we're seeing.
It's not out this world. It'smore on the other side of the world.
But that has a lot to dowith like flat earth theory and things

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like that, which I'm not toobig on. But I mean, there's
something out there because once we oncewe went to the moon, if we
went to the moon, I'm gonnasay if for the conspiracy theorists out there,
but once I am too listen,I am too all right, But

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upticked, I saw a picture theycannot physically be possible. That's why I
think it's a sound stage. Becausethey have a picture that has a hillside
and you see the Earth. Thenin the next picture you see the lunar
lander in the same hillside, andthe lunar lander has four different shadows.

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If you look, you could seethe four You have one sort of possibly
two sorts of light when you're standingthere. How can you have four separate
shadows? You can't. And here'sthe other part, right, That's just
what gets to me. We wentto the moon, we came back,
and then for how many years didwe not go? And what did not
say? What was our explanation?We lost the technology to make that possible.

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If that's not the biggest like deadgiveaway, I don't know what is,
Like, how can you I believewe went to the moon but it
was not televised. And for thosethat didn't believe those pictures of Dave and
I post that I really was ona plane and I really did fly rob

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That was my biggest next to snakes. That was my biggest phobia that I
could pass out just thinking about it. Yeah, and I did it.
Yeah, you know, just incase, nice big shot of it.
Don't worry, don't worry, Nilsreal quick. No, but you know,

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getting back to the veil thinning andthe reason why I think it is
is because I truly think that theEarth itself goes through cycles, and I
think we're on these cycles now whereit's called if you look at something that
the ancient Indians are like from India, not Native Americans, but ancient Indian
culture talks about it's called a Yugacycle, and it's every twenty six thousand

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hundred years and every twelve thousand years, and that Yugas cycle, there's some
kind of tribulation that man goes throughand we're either sent back to the Stone
Age or we become at land.This that kind of stuff. And we're
actually at the end of one ofthose cycles now and we're about to go
into a new one. So Ithink there's a lot to do with it
too. I mean I can fromthe Hopie and everything else talking about this

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split and energies and some people aregonna go one way, some people are
gonna go the other way. Imean, I've done so much research on
this this time period right now,it's it's just wild, keeping it keeping
it kind of simple, I think. I mean, if you just throw
a thought at what you're saying,Rob, I think that people outside of

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um residual haunts. I think peoplehave paranormal experiences because the spirits want to
be recognized, or want to beheard, or want to be whatever.
And I think, you know,just to make it nice and simple.
I think now that so many peopleare educated, and if you've take take

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from fifty years ago till now,how much energy and how much thought is
placed on the afterlife, you knowit could actually be causing I think the
veil too thin, but also supplyingthat energy and the undead now is like,

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hey man, this is our chanceto shine the world's listening. So
it makes that communication a little biteasier because people are so hip to all
the different ways that your senses canyeah that someone else's there. You know
what, if I die, I'mgonna come on you and I'm gonna trying
to make sure I'm here. I'mgonna be screaming, I'll be pounding on

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things. I wanted to get yourattention, and if you ignore me,
I'm gonna start throwing things around onme here. Well, when you come
back and honor stay, we're gonnaget a nice big, extra large box
and some salt and yeal. You'retrapping into that box, hey, we're
gonna throw into the box to belike, oh, logical right through it.

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I think you're right, and Ithink that technology and a lot if
we're going to get scientific about it, we can get scientific. And we
know that energy, which is oursoul, never dies. It's only transferred,
absolutely roy energy exactly. So withall these technological devices are now readily
available in everybody's pocket in the home, I think it gives it gives credence

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to a lot of this extra energythat's floating around in the air which can
be manipulated, and these entities cannow use it to communicate. And see
keep this in mind too, Rob, back when you were a kid and
all of us, I'm sure everyonehas heard from that family member a ghost
story. You know. I alwaysI think I saw Grandmam. I think

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I smelled Granddad's put or whatever.But the difference between fifty years ago and
now, Back then, people usedto just basically sit around and wait.
Where now people are aggressively and scientificallyand spiritually going after you know, they're

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not just sitting around waiting and hoping. They're out there, you know,
trying to find it right. Andalso with the fact of like mass media,
and he sites like Facebook and Instagramthey can distribute that evidence and it
makes it more readily available for everybodyelse. And when that happens, you
like the fire under somebody else todo the same, if not aggressively,

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go and hunt it. So it'ssort of a domino effect too, and
it makes it makes this industry orthis community that much more vibing on a
daily basis because the people who arethat vested into it and they're that into
what they do can go and talkto other like minded people, which turn
creates that excitement for it too,which again goes and manifests it because they

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want to see it. You know, there's more people out there looking for
it, and that's the uptick.And you know it could be a purpose
a purposeful dissolving of that veil oryou know, that thinning of the veil,
and I think it is, butI think it has there's so many
different factors that go into it.Like I mean when I when I used
to talk to Melinda about what sheused to be able to do and how

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she did it, I mean,I have terror cards now and I can
do the terror she does. SheI don't have the same ability that she
does to be able to just speakto ghosts and as she would or entities
on the other side, or Ido that. But dreams, like I
told you guys before, is justone of the ways that I kind of

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communicate. And I told you thestory backstage before we started about my grandfather
and that to me, I mean, I woke up in like tears because
it felt so real. It wasso visceral that I could feel the hug
that he gave me. And Itold you, I think he was looking
at me and he didn't want meto know he was there. And see,
you got to look at it likethis, Rob, You know,

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your granddad may have won it anddid come to you. And since you
were asleep, okay, at acertain point in your your period of sleep
is when your body's at the mostrelaxed, and it makes my opinion,
makes it easier for someone to reachout to you because of the relaxed state

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that your mind embodies in. Also, you know, based on the way
he came to you, like youtold us backstage, he may have presented
himself like that, so you knewthat it was more than just a dream,
that it was very much so.And see the first thing I thought,
too, and not to got job, but the first thing I thought

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was like, you know, whywould he come to me that way?
And then I talked to my godmotherand she said, that's the one thing
that he used to love to dowhen anything else so and plus that shows
that it's that it's for real,you know, That's exactly what I'm saying.
Like um also a lot of likeI think in my case, when
I had that same experience with mygrandfather, I think he came to me

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when I was sleeping so that hewouldn't scare me. And sometimes the spirits
will do that, and that goesright along with the relaxation period that a
spirit will come to you because theydon't want to frighten you. You know,
if you wake up in the morningand you go into kitchen to make
your coffee and turn around and granddadstand in error, who what that you

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might go into cardiac and rest youknow what I mean? Yeah exactly.
But you know, when you're atthat peaceful state in your sleep, they
can come to and it's not alarming. And I think that's why a lot
of um spirits will come back topeople that they want to see or check
one. You know, when theywhen they're sleep like that just for the
simple uh reasons, so they don'tfrighten them, right. I think about

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it too, is when he cameto me, and that's inter sued.
It wasn't like if I wish toimagine him, I wouldn't think about him
like that because I always knew itwas him. A lot of the other
kids around the lake didn't know itwas him, but I knew it was
him the whole time. So Iwouldn't have pictured him in a Santa Claus
outfit if I was thinking of mygrandfather, because I had so many other

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memories of him that was not ofthat time. Yeah, so he did
that as an indicator like this iswhat I like, not you, but
you're gonna you know, it madeit that much more that it was on
his accord and not mine. Andsee here's here's another example of going along
with you know, sometimes the spiritsmay do things to authenticate that it's a

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real visitation. In two thousand andone, when my best friend Eric passed
away, He's in a few chaptersin my book. One is actually about
his death. But the night hepassed away, when I went to sleep
that night. As soon as Istarted to go to sleep, I immediately

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started dreaming of Eric. But howI knew it was real. Two years
prior to Eric's death, I hadlost a baseball cap that I wore religiously.
It was the New York Yankees,blew in the front, white in
the back, with the with thewhite lettering. And when as soon as

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I dozed off and Eric appeared tome the night that he passed away,
he was standing there laughing at me, and he had my Yankee had one.
Now that Yankee hat had not beenon my mind, like I said,
for two years, that hat wasgone. I forgot about it.
I tore apart every place I everbeen to try to find his hat.
But for some reason, when Isaw him, you know, I had

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only those off for thirty seconds,and he had that had one, And
that to me showed that it wasreal, because that was Eric's way of
saying, Hey, this isn't justa dream. Look, I got your
hat on to prove it, youknow what I mean? And I don't
know. That's just the way Ilook at things. I agree with you.
And the other part about it waswhen I woke up from his dream.
It wasn't like one of those stifftransitions where you're like, oh man,

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it was so like you were soasleep. I felt like I was
like half awake, like almost halfawake during it too, like because when
I when I came out of it, and I did have tears coming out
of my eyes because of course whenI hugged him and he told my missed
him, I was crying. It'salways he but you know it was it
was not like that that it wasa quick transition like boom, like okay,

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now I'm awake, like I didjust doze off like I was.
It was like he actually walked awayfrom you and you was still you was
still partially in the moment. Yes, yes, it's it blew my mind
like this has never happened to melike that. I've dreamed of family members
when I knew that they were communicatingwith me in some kind of way,

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but this was like I could feelhim grabbed me. Was this was this
dream recent? Rob, It waslike two weeks ago. All right,
this is what I want you todo. I'm not sure of your religious
beliefs, and I'm not going toask you about them, but when you
go to right before you go tosleep tonight, just talk to your grandfather

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and wish him well and let himknow that you're well, and let him
know that you enjoyed seeing him,and see if anything else happens. I
definitely will. And you know whatwas crazy too, is I couldn't tell
anybody about it for like two orthree days, right, That's how like
for me, it was like sucha moment exactly that I couldn't even speak

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about it because it was like throwingme back into it and it was that
real in my mind. And thisis this is partially another reason why I
think that this is sort of atrend, because I've been hearing about these
instances, not so much dream butpeople being able to literally like feel the
presence of their loved ones more andmore and more, but not in a

(38:07):
way that like I know they're here, like in a way like they touched
my shoulder and I've let them squeeze. And that to me is like something's
going on and I have to investigateit. I'm gonna keep going. But
and I really think that there hasbeen an uptick in paranormal activity around the
world and everybody every when we hadum when we had Scott Porter on that

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night and we were backstage after theshow talk until I remember we talked for
about it almost an hour and wewere going into you know, just since
like the whole COVID thing, youknow how just the activity all over the
world is picked up, and werambled him about for about our We were
backstage talking longer than we were on. Yeah, we're talking about even more

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for me, you know, itsolidifies it for me. And even even
that the fact that I had anencounter with with some kind of crowd outside.
I mean, I've I've gone fortyyears talking about these things and you
know, or forty years of mylife, but and talking about it for
the last fifteen but never encounter anything, always met those people who did.

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And then it struck me as weirdbecause a lot of those people who have
that contact starts at a young age, and their fathers had it, their
grandparents had it. It's a hereditarything. Yeah, and there's not really
that that kind of contact of myfamily. But I was gonna say,
maybe maybe it's no different than youknow, some of the mediums we work

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with, rob or a third andfourth generation mediums. Maybe the whole um
extraterrestrial side of the spectrum works thesame way. Yeah, I agree,
I agree. I think a lotof that has to do with a lot
of old World stuff because and ifyou understand too, if you're going back
into like ancient cultures, they wereso much more superstitious, and they really

(40:07):
actually believed that things were going tocome out and either kill them or hurt
them if they didn't do specific ritualslike it's crazy. Oh yeah, oh
yeah. So I remember, youknow, back when I was probably around
nineteen eighty six, while while Iwas on Dwight the Eisenhower. Yeah,
you're standing You're out in the middleof the you know, Atlantic Ocean,

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just kind of looking up, darkas all get out, you kid,
there's no light anywhere except from stars, and when you see something, just
kind of filter over real slow andthen take off like a bat out of
hell. But there's nothing, youknow, let's see, I see you.
There's nothing on radar, surface,subsurface, or aerial. You can't
see anything. I was gonna say, I bet you saw a lot of
stuff under the water as well.I had we had the only thing we

(40:52):
have, had a couple of contacts, but they were they were identified as
you know, either Russian or Scandinavian. Um object Um, We've got to
be real careful in what I'm saying. Um. But yeah, though,
it's just when you're standing on aflight deck and just watching things that you
can't explain, like literally exhip andit goes from zero, Oh God,

(41:14):
where the help did you go?How do you explain that? And this
is back in the eighties, soeven you apology was an under the table
type of thing, and it's it'scrazy how society does that. Now all
this stuff is coming up, right, and now people have a better understanding
of all of these different subjects,which in turn makes us more I guess,

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I want to say, more enlightenedin the sense of what could the
potentiality be of all these other thingsthat are happening were but stream are aware.
If you think about it, likefor the paranormal side of it,
think about it logically, how manythings that occur in society today wouldn't be

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acceptable forty years ago, and paranormalwas kind of along those like and you
know, like as the world progressed, you know, we've changed and became
very diverse on things, and youknow, it's just such a multi culture

(42:20):
of difference, and maybe it's justeasier now that the paranormal is viewed differently
and accept it differently. And mymy thought, I always go back to
education because I'm one of them bookworms, and I just think education, education,
education, And you know, we'reat the point now where it's just

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about like everybody in existence has somethingthey've experienced about and yeah, and I
think it just makes it that mucheasier or makes the spirit realm feel that
much more accepted or you know,even so, you know, fifty years
ago, if there was some sortof encounter, everyone's first thought one that

(43:07):
it was evil, it was demonic, somebody's possessed, you know, And
now we know the truth, right, So I think it just makes it
rush under the table, because youknow, the stigmas that come along with
you seeing somebody that they're gonna thinkyou're crazy, you know, is going
to be right around a corner,coming to give you an exorcism or anything.

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Now it's now if you're considerate crazy, if you haven't experienced something,
you know, it's almost the exactthough, like, what do you mean
you haven't experienced anything? You wentto Gettysburg and walked around there for two
days and come on, now,didn't even feel it cold. Yeah,
talking about like, no, you'reright, and and to me that just
shows that we you're right, Wehave progressed, and that progression now has

(43:52):
turned into curiosity and how far doesit truly go? And we're exploring the
outer boundaries of what would have beencomplete Nutville fifty years ago. Now we're
exploring that stuff. Like now weknow that even Tesla was trying to create
this device that could talk to spiritsand things like that. I mean,
there's so much like pristentivitous it's likewith electromagnetic frequency, and there's a science

(44:17):
behind it. Yeah, it wentfrom being something that was so taboo that
you could barely get any to admitthat they saw it, to now we're
trying to perfect different practices to makethat context more readily available. See,
that's like my whatever that was thatI saw in the sky in nineteen eighty
seven. At the time, oneof my best friends was with me,

(44:40):
and we encountered this thing for likean hour and a half. We actually
followed it and was tracking it andwatching it, and I wound up linking
back up with him in two thousandand nine, okay, and because I
ain't seen him since we graduated highschool, so of course, you know,
I brought it up and he's like, I don't know what you're talking

(45:05):
about. I don't remember that.That wasn't me. I'm like, come
on, man, really, likereally, and so he denies it,
you know, but I knew somethinghappened because that night it was a Sunday
night and we used to go.We were still in school. We used
to go. We had a dollarmovie theater, okay, where the movies

(45:30):
that were two months old they playedfor a dollar. So one night we
was coming out of movies, Iguess it was about nine, nine nine
thirty at night. We were goinghome. As soon as we exited out
of the movie theater parking lot,traffic was at a dead stop. And
we was like, man, thismust be one hell of a horrific accident.

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Well, it was to the pointwhere people were getting out of their
cars, so of course we hadto do that too. We want to
see what's going on. That iswhen this thing was in the sky and
it was to the point rob wheretraffic and you know this way and this
way was it a dead stop andpeople were out of their cars, so

(46:12):
I knew it wasn't like, yeah, I know it wasn't just my friend
and I that saw it because trafficwas stopped for god knows how long.
And then, like I said,we wound up following it and we actually
went it's so funny how this allties together. And I'm not doing this
to keep plugging. But we wentto the photo that's on the cover of

(46:37):
my book. That's where we went. But we were on the other side
of the park because it overlooked BaltimoreCity and we sat up there and we
watched it go out and over andit was crazy, man. But yeah,
my friend denies it that it wasn'thim. So well, there's two
different types of people, right.There's the people like yourself and me who

(46:58):
are intrigued by those things, andnow we have to take it a step
further, we have to understand it, and there's people who don't. When
they don't understand things, they canpartmentalize it and push it away or push
it down and they say, well, you know, I don't know what
happened, but nor do I reallycare. Like there's a lot of people
who aren't so in the moment they'retoo worried about what next Tuesday is going

(47:20):
to bring or who who? Whosmacked me in the face last Thursday?
And now what's going to happen nextTuesday. That's what I mean by then
now, And that's something that Ifeel that a lot of people are starting
to perfect as this moment where everythingelse just falls away and you can hyper
focus on one point, whether it'sin front of you in the computer and

(47:44):
you're researching something or you know,it's tough to describe, but you'll feel
it when you're in this moment rightnow, yeah, and enjoying. And
I've tried to make my brain recognizethose moments more and more and more.
And I feel like my life haskind of slowed down a little bit and
I'm not running around at New YorkPace like oh I got this, we

(48:07):
gotta do that, And it's alot more like I'm a lot freer than
I was even five years Our friendour friend Carmen commented, she was four
years old in nineteen eighty seven.I was eighteen. I was I was
sixteen. Now you're older than you'reyou're older than me. You're off because
I was born sixty seven. Soif you I six, you were twenty

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Dave, Oh for you? Foryou, I know I went backwards.
I took that. Never mind,I went from her birthday that was sixtyears
he's carry into two. I wasborn right, I was sixteen when she
was born. I think think ofit like this, Rob. I'm not
trying to change skeptics and the believersand trying to push my views and opinions

(48:51):
on anyone. But we've come acrossso many skeptics that they've told, you
know, have you ever experienced anything? No, man, And then they'll
tell us something. We're like,that could have been something paranormal. But
here's my thing. Imagine if everyonehad an open mind to the many possibilities

(49:15):
out there of apparitions, things inthe sky. If everyone just kept an
open mind and didn't think like youwere just describing, how many pieces of
valuable evidence or pieces to the puzzlehave they missed? You know, like

(49:36):
for example, take it take forexample, say I don't know your parents
or grandparents in the fifties or sixtiesmay have spent a family outing in Gettysburg
and took photographs with whatever camera ofthe times, but wasn't hip to the
paranormal side of Gettysburg. If yougot those pictures in your hand now that

(49:59):
are fifty sixty years old and youwent throw them with a fine tooth comb,
what's the chances they missed something?You know, I mean they think
that what think of getting some photosfrom way back when from you know,
a haunted location or somewhere around skinWalker Ranch or area fifty one magic going

(50:19):
through photos like that that the skepticstook, that just throw them in the
in the shoe box with the restof the family, I mean, would
have confirmed a lot. Yeah,things would be a lot different. And
and see that the see part aboutthat is it would be such a free
flow of this evidence that that wethink that we need. And for me

(50:43):
personally, I don't need anybody's evidence, right, what I've seen is what
I know, and what I knowis my truth. And but you're right,
we would be so far I guesswe may be even having sit downs
with these people on the other sideat this point. And see, think
of it like, there's no twopeople in this field more than Dave and

(51:06):
I that tear into people's evidence thatthey send us. You know, we're
going you know, you gotta yougotta be you gotta be authentic. But
look at it like this. Youknow, for example, we have these
two studio lights right here in frontof us. If one of them went
out right now, we could explainone hundred and one ways why that light

(51:27):
went out, But look at itfrom an open mind, and we have
no way of proving it. Butlike you said, I believe in people's
souls. Other people see it asenergy. What is that energy going to
affect the most easiest something electrical?So even though I can sit here and
give you one hundred and one reasonswhy that light just went out or flickered,

(51:52):
maybe that was the easiest way forthat spirit to do that and that
was their side if you look atBut the thing is, we can't prove
it. Right we have a computer. I have a computer setup right by
behind that I do my work at. We randomly that computer and right now,
like if you look at Stormant andit's not on because I'm not working
but us on the show and we'retalking about certain things, it would randomly

(52:13):
come on and we're both thinking they'regoing in the middle of the show.
It just came on. Yeah,somebody telling you it's taking it as sleep
mode. The funny thing what itdid was we had Josh Hurd one from
Malvern and that whole network of fourscreens. Pop the one over there.
Now, if Dave goes over andit comes to life, they come on,

(52:37):
they go through a transition period,then they go back to sleep right
as soon as they came one,Rob and we not oh shit, they
just came one. They went offjust like that. Everything one day,
just like that. And the funnypart is, go back in our archive,
look at the one. So we'resitting here and I had cabinet doors
that kept opening upstairs. Some thingswere going on in my life that really

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I had a lot of stress over. And it sounded like literally as we're
sitting here, somebody kicks in myfront door. We thought we were getting
raided, Yeah, hit my house. Because even Josh, he was like
where you're at and he's like,what was that was that? We're like,
what happened? Hold on? Well, the thing is we had actually
set up a camera because how oftof my cabinet doors kept opening and closing.

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So I came down here to getset up for the show. Ernie
whooked in the kitchen all the cabinetdoors were closed, turned around, hit
the record button. I came downstairs. So we're sitting there talking to Josh
Boom. Well, I actually aboutthe show going. You know, something's
going on. What the hell happened? I'm looking around. It literally sounded

(53:42):
like somebody kicked my door in.I couldn't find anything wrong. But the
funny The funny thing is I wentup to hit record on the camera.
Okay, the camera's facing the kitchen. I walk in the kitchen, I
look around. Everything's intact the wayit's supposed to be. I walk to
the camera, hit record, banga right, and come down the steps.

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I didn't look back that moment.Rob When I stepped out of the
kitchen as I hit the record button. In that short three second period,
then cabinet doors opened that I wasunaware of. So when I stepped out
a frame and hit record and gotout of the way to camera, the

(54:28):
doors were already opened. It happenedthat fast, and I was unaware of
it. That's the spirits playing practicaljokes on you. All they know,
and you're looking man, I'm tellingyou, that's why people had those body
cams on the front and back nowbecause Dave, if I was a spirit
and I was a smart ass,I would be doing the same thing and
let him get around in that corner. Exactly what it did. We went

(54:50):
much fun when I when I gotup there, there was nothing wrong,
but I found the camera doors over. I'm thinking, great, we caught
it on camera. We played avideo back. It was already opened.
They were already opened when he gotthere. To solidify what we're saying,
I was in Fort Mifflin one nightand Dave. Dave was at home,
so I called Dave on video andhe was in the kitchen making coffee.

(55:12):
So he's holding his phone like astalking to me. I can see his
cabinets. Well, I could heara woman's voice, and I said,
Dave, who's at your house?And I heard it twice. When the
second time I brought it to hisattention, He's like, I'm here alone.
You know my daughter don't come tillTomorrow's here tomorrow. So he walked
all through the house, rob showingme that no one was there, under
beds, closets, everything. Hegoes back to get his coffee, got

(55:37):
the camera the same position. Thecabinet door was open, and he was
unaware, and I was like,uh, Dave, you might want to
turn around. So as he waswalking through showing me that no one was
in the house, that door openedand I actually have it on camera,
so just to show I have acamera. He finally talked me into I

(55:57):
don't like investigating my own house.Eat it. He wants me to do
some things with her back here andI'm not no, But I set up
a camera pointing at my kitchen.I set up another camera pointing at camera
one across me and across the couchwhere I'm sitting watching TV. So now,
if you if you know my house, I have a kitchen like here,

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and then you come out and there'sa dining room here that extended in
the living room and then the restof the house goes this way down to
the back bathroom and bedroom and allthat. So think about it on the
side. So right here is justa short happen and this is outside,
so you have to go this wayout of my kitchen. So I have
the camera pointing into my kitchen,and then I have another camera pointing at
this show. There's no shenanigans.Um, so let it play, Let

(56:42):
it play, Let it play.Somewhere along the line. I got up,
went to the potty, went intothe potty, then my thing came
back, sat down. I'm watchingthe TV. Cabinet doors are open.
I'm like, when the hell didthat happen? So I rolled it back
and you can see me. I'mlike, yes on the video. I'm
like, yes, we've got it. I actually posted the video up on

(57:06):
our channel. You can see twoviews. There's one person actually like you
could see a shadow. I'm like, nope, that if you actually look,
that's me walking by, and Ibroke the light which was coming that
way. So you can tell there'sno shenanigans if you are in that area
messing with something to pull door.So I actually picked up camera one and
pointed in where the door opened thatthere's nobody there. That's crazy. That's

(57:30):
crazy. You know what's crazy too, is I go so much paranormal that
if if something like that happened inmy house while I'm sleeping, I have
my phone on record, like it'srecording all the sound that's in the house.
So the next day I'll just I'llsit there and try and figure out
you know, you know there's apps, um, they're not created for paranormal.
It's for people that have problem withsnoring. But they are a voice

(57:54):
activated apps for when you go tobed, you can get running and like
if you start storm real bad,it'll so you can hear it, like
case you go to the doctor.Whatever. But why wouldn't you be able
to use that for the paranormal.It's somebody's you know what I mean,
somebody so if you hear yeah,yeah, interesting, But that's crazy.

(58:15):
That's what you ought to do,man, No, you ought to take
sand No your bedroom tonight. Youset her on the dresser and put a
voice activated recorder between you and Sandra. Yeah, or you could just put
on the door, you know whatI mean. I don't have any salt
on her. I don't have herbound in anyway, and the case is

(58:36):
actually open. Yeah, she's moveda couple of times. She's been behaving
the last couple of weeks. Hasn'tmoved really, Oh yeah, she'll actually
moved. She's moved twice on mehere and twice on my daughter. And
I can think of those things inthe house. You cannot those in the
house. Come on, she doesn'thave an issue yesterday. I'm actually talking
about the door behind me. Um, she hasn't caused anything delicious. We

(59:00):
have a video up on our channelof us opening the box. You can
actually were at one point we're talkingabout it. You hear the girl giggling
and it's only earning me, mydog and the cameraman in the house.
At one point you hear a growleyvoice on the video that goes, it's
blood because she has blood on herfront. We think she had tuberculosis.
We have a history behind her,so, okay, that's what we think

(59:22):
of it. We've accepted her.She's part of the family. So and
she goes you've seen have you seenthis entity? Now you've been face to
face with it. I've heard it. I've it's moved things. But if
I see it, I've already givenhim fair warning. If I see something
in my house, you know,you go to hear Scooby doo. Where

(59:44):
are you giving the benefit of thedoubt and some investigating that we've done and
stuff like that, we honestly,until proven differently, we honestly don't think
it's anything malicious. Yeah, militious. I think it's the girl and her
father. That's my personal opinion.I think what happened was she had to

(01:00:07):
go into the sanatorium with him andhe had respiratory issues. I think he
passed away, UM, but unfortunatelygave it to her along the way and
she passed away as well. Right, So that that's but you know,
we accepted her, and UM andJerry guess we're gonna have her at all
of our we take her to ourthe paricans that we're in. But UM,

(01:00:30):
I mean we've accepted her, andwe know explained why we had possession,
and you know the reasons that youknow, and we actually have things
been fine, corroborating evidence. Wewere at the Roundhouse down in West Virginia.
We actually put her in a brandnew case in a closet and we
went back to our hotel room afterthe show. Well, they had an

(01:00:52):
investigation going on in the Roundhouse andone of our good friends, Rob was
called in by the person who wasrunning it Spring because there was something in
the closet. She didn't know thatSands or the doll was in the closet.
She didn't know. Her husband knewI put her in there, but
she didn't know. So if shebrings Robin, who's the investigator there for

(01:01:15):
the night and he opens it upand realizes what it is. He starts
banging on things in the closet,going is this it? No? Is
this it? No? Then heshakes her case. Is this it?
That's it? So they bring herout and they get man that she was
in a box in the closet.I don't know what. Well, it's
really interesting because they have not onlythat, but corroborating EVPs from that night

(01:01:36):
when they were talking to her.And the case I bought her was brand
new, so it was an upperlower for four corners. She put it
together. There was dust that thenext day in it, like dust balls
in it from something. Really Yeah, and that's it was. It was.
Yeah, So that's crazy, Like, hey, hey you bet ter,

(01:02:00):
stay down there, you chill out. We are over We are over
our a lot of time. Alright. Yeah, they're gonna kick us
to the cry. Man. We'rean honor and a privilege to be here
again. Guys. I love youguys. Today you're gonna have to come
and everything you do, you're gonnahave to come back on man most of
every whatever you need me, manout be here. We'll be up in
Rochester next month or March. Yeah, March and twenty four, twenty five,

(01:02:23):
twenty sixth and twenty seven. Letme know. I'll try and make
it out over there. Yeah,I'm like above New York City, so
maybe a little bit of a stretch, but I could get there by training
if I have to. Yeah,I was gonna say, look up on
Facebook the Rochester Parafests Winter Parafest WinterPart writing it down right now, and

(01:02:43):
it's in Rochester. It's actually rightnext to Rochester at a small town like
Geneva or something like that, somethinglike something. Yeah, it's like right
next to rod Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. Yeah,
but yeah, I know what thatis. It's about four hours from
here, yours. Man, yougot you gotta join us, dude,
you gotta try to come down.Man. We'll be there from Thursday to

(01:03:04):
Sunday. We're stopping on Thursday.I'll definitely come for like a day or
two. Absolutely, yeah, I'llget up there at that time. Absolutely,
absolutely definitely. All right. Actually, what we can do, man,
when we broadcast live from here,we can have If Rob's there,
we'll bring you one. I'll makehim were deodor. I'll do it.
I always, I always know itgood. All right, Rob, thank

(01:03:25):
you for joining us. Lots oflove, friend, thank you have a
all right? Nope I heard thatthat. They didn't hear you have a
grad I love yeah, everybody allright. So basically we got a couple

(01:03:45):
of things coming up down the pipe. The next couple yeah, um Dam
and Steve. Yeah. February fourth, we will be at the VFW on
um D Yeah, Dorsey Road.I'll be promote my book and talking about
all that. Um. February twentysix, we will be hosting an investigation

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at the historic nineteen twelve Hoover Housein Waynesboro, and the very next night
we from Ghost Hunters and Ghost Nation. We will be joined by Sherry de
Benedetti on Stepping through the Paranormal.We're looking forward to having our friends Sherry
one. Um, what do wegot, march Man A big yeah.

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Yeah, apparently we're the big bigthing. They haven't because that's just because
our picture was big. I'm justfattering everybody else. But we'll be at
the Rochester Winter parafest Um with Radionow May we have a three day para

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con the twentieth through the twenty second. I will post the information when I
get it. Be because what happenedwas this was scheduled. It was a
three day paracon. It was scheduledfor last year, and it got cut
before COVID and it got postponed.So it is this year May twenty twenty
one and twenty two. It's ineither Virginia or West Virginia. I forget

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um. The lady, Miss JenniferKennedy, she's gonna be emailing us all
the information we got. We gottarun it. We're run out, all
right. We will see you guysin two weeks. Hope you can stop
by Friday night at the VFW andshow some love us. I'm gonna need
it. See you guys. You'vebeen listening to Step into the Paranormal with

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Ernie Atwell and David Seiler. Thankyou for listening and listening next week for
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