The iPad Identity Crisis

Tailosive Tech Streamed: April 24th, 2024

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.We are back with another Apple event on
the horizon less than two weeks togo, and I think a lot of
the same questions are on people's minds, because obviously, whenever the event is
announced, we have our formal,you know, announcement video where we kind
of go over some of the rumorsand leaks, which already sounds like some

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of which are not gonna happen.Ross Young juking us all out. It
feels like, I don't know lately, some of these reports they just don't
I don't know if they're making stuffup or they say things way too soon
in order to generate more clicks.I feel bad because I did a video
because Ross Young has gotten a lotof things right in the past, and

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it felt somewhat last minute. ButRoss Young said a couple days ago that
the Mini Led was coming to theiPad Air larger size, and now this
morning he said, actually never mind. And I'm like, I really don't
want to believe that they're making stuffup just to generate clicks, but they're
probably reporting things way too soon.If it's still possible for there to be

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this many like last minute, actuallyin nevermind, you know what, it's
not gonna have that. But followingthe announcement, I usually like to do
a live stream just to gauge whatthe community's most curious about when it comes
to Apple's next event, what arethey gonna focus on and what do you
guys want? More things addressed?Good morning everybody, Thanks for Nicholas composibles,

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Norris Adl from Norway, Wow,Gustavo, marjel Andy k Micah Galibo
Gallibo. Sorry I'm butchering everybody's names. Thank you everybody for tuning in.
But yeah, that's what both ofthe telos of tech pro member questions.
We're kind of addressing similar concerns withthe iPad. Maybe I'm biased because I've

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been fairly critical on the iPad overtime, and so the people who agree with
me are more likely to watch.But Margell says, you think Apple knows
that the high iPad hardware is overkillfor the software it supports, or you
think Apple is delusional enough to genuinelybelieve that ipedos does make good use of
the silicon in it. And thenAlpha asking will Apple finally fixed the iPad

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this year? So almost the samequestion when you think about it. Most
people have the same concern of like, Okay, the problem is not with
the hardware, which is primarily whyI think people have a hard time getting
excited for new iPad hardware. Also, Symphoy, I know I'm not pronouncing

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your name correctly, but thank youfor joining Telos of tech plus. I
appreciate that. Thank you. Ipedoseighteen will prove me wrong about iPads.
I want to be proven wrong,just so everybody's clear. I would absolutely
love it if Apple just totally revampedipedos and made it super functional and made
sure that. You know, alot of people will ask me on Twitter

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and ste like, well, whatexactly is the problem? They want to
simplify it, And to me,that's the problem is it's not just one
simple fix. It's not well,just do this and suddenly the iPad is
now more of a pro machine.Now it's more capable. No, it's
it's literally like hundreds, if notthousands, of tiny little features that all

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stack up. It's not one littlething, which is why my quickest solution
has been just allow it to dualboot maco ass if it has a keyboard
and trackpad. And of course everybodysaid Drew, They're never going to do
that. Stop asking for them todo that. Just if you want to
Mac, buy a Mac. Okay, I did. That's why I don't
have an iPad anymore. I've heardthose messages, I've received them and just

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accepted that. Okay, I guessI'm a Mac guy and the iPad is
not for me because so much ofwhat the iPad can do I can already
do on my phone. And ifI want to have a larger screen or
a more expensive device that's capable ofbeing more productive than a Mac is just
going to fit my use case somuch better. And I guess the iPad

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is specifically for people who need anApple pencil for certain things, and that's
just not me anymore. I justdon't take enough notes because I don't go
to school and I don't do enoughartistry. I mainly used to use it
for making video thumbnails, but thatwas primarily so I could mask out subjects,
and once iOS subject lift came out, and on my phone now I

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can just highlight the subject of anypicture and lift them into whatever background I
need. That basically killed all functionalityof the iPad. Yeah, I sold
my iPad. I do not ownan iPad anymore, Just so everybody's aware.
I know that there's a bunch ofolder viewers coming back because I don't
know why they're coming back, butI see the effect is suddenly I'll get

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a bunch of comments all at thesame time that go, whoa, you
lost a bunch of weight. Ihaven't seen your videos a year. Like
okay, so we have like atwenty eighteen or twenty twenty viewer that's now
coming back after all these years.Welcome back if you haven't been watching for
a while. But yes, incase you were gone for a while.
I sold my iPad, I soldmy Apple Watch. I'm an essential list.

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I just want to hold on tothe hardware that I absolutely need and
utilize. It's not a financially motivatedthing. It's purely just a intentional thing.
I don't want to keep hardware thatI don't use or don't need,
and that's primarily why I didn't keepmy Apple Vision Pro. Yes, the
price is pretty high and that didn'thelp. But my point with the whole

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Vision Pro review was, even ifthis was a one thousand dollars device,
even if you gave me an AppleVision Pro for free, it's very likely
that it would sit on my deskcollecting dust after a few weeks. And
I've been hearing other Apple Vision probuyers share similar experiences, and I'm gonna
address the taylists of tech pro comments, but nim also just supertending. Good

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morning, Drew. My aipin comesThursday. I'm so excited. Sold my
backbook an iPhone in anticipation of minimumwe'll only be using iPad and aipin.
I really hope you're joking. Reallyhope you're joking, But if not,
good luck. I hope this helpsreduce your screen time. But thank you

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for the super chat. That's verykind of you. I do not think
the aipin is a good product fromeverything I've seen, but that's just me.
You do you, if you enjoyit, I'm happy for you.
Enjoy your seven hundred dollars chest heaterthat costs twenty four bucks a month and
can't do very much. So far, the only exciting rumor for IPTS is

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there will finally be a calculator app. Hope Apple doesn't software lock it for
some dumb reason. Okay, he'snot joking. Well, I don't know
why you want to tell me thesethings. If you've watched any of my
videos or podcasts, you know verywell how I feel about the aipin.
So I don't know if you're tryingto get a reaction out of me or

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look for approval from me, You'renot going to get approved for me.
You're not gonna get me going,Hey, good job. I'm glad you
bought an aipin because I think it'sjust a horrible product, and I feel
like I've been pretty clear on thatever since it came out. I've been
saying it's a dumb idea and Idon't think it's going to go very well.
So unless you just didn't watch anyof that content and are hoping that

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I'll suddenly be excited because there's justa shiny new Apple not even Apple product,
just a shiny new tech product thatcosts a lot of money. I'm
just saying, twenty four bucks amonth for you know, something slightly smarter
than Siri is not not a gooddeal in my opinion. Also, you

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can get cell phone service for wayless than twenty four bucks a month.
Mint Mobile starts at fifteen bucks amonth. Everybody I know in my personal
life is using the base mint mobileplan and they're totally fine with it.
They just use Wi Fi and sellservices kind of secondary. Drew will buy
one for work and then return itas soon as the review is out.
I know a lot of people arememing the whole return thing, but what's

(08:03):
more, And that's fine, youcan meme it. Oh Drew doesn't keep
things. That's fine. I'm okaybeing associated as the return guy. But
what I think is far more damagingand probably a lot more scary slash dangerous
for the consumer market, especially becauseI know there's a lot of younger viewers
watching. Is this association that you'renot a real tech reviewer unless you buy

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and keep everything. In reality,I think that that's a really dangerous precedent
of people buying a bunch of stuffthey don't need, and simply because they
made one or two review videos onit, they now have to keep it.
That's how you get yourself in waymore debt, and that's how you
make far more reckless financial decisions,is to buy up a bunch of stuff

(08:46):
that you probably don't utilize. Iwas hoping to inspire or at least set
kind of a standard for a lotof my audience that because I didn't feel
like I needed my Apple Watch orI didn't need my iPad, I'm going
to make sure I'm not going tosell it for a massive profit. In
fact, the friend I sold myApple Watch too wanted to pay more for
it, and I said, no, it's not about the money. I

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just wanted someone to have it thatwould utilize it and would appreciate it.
And I think that consumer debt andpeople spending money on things they don't need
is a huge problem, not justin this country but in the world,
and a problem that a lot oftech YouTubers probably perpetuate. They convince you

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all the time that you need tobuy this latest thing or that, oh
yeah, my MacBook and my AppleWatch and my iPhone and my AirPods and
my Apple TV. That's not enough. I also need a product that's between
the MacBook and the iPhone that's atouchscreen, and that little middle grade product
serves some kind of use case,when in reality, a lot of the
time it might just sit there collectingdust. And you're trying to justify the

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expense, and you're trying to changethe way you live your life to justify
spending more money on the latest techproduct because it's a slightly new color,
or it has some new feature that'scool for two seconds and then you stop
using it. To me, it'sthat attitude that people seem to just be
comfortable with and just assume all techYouTubers are all tech creators. Doesn't have

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to just be on YouTube. Itcould be on Twitter or whatever. Everybody's
just supposed to go out and buyall the latest stuff and keep it even
if it collects dusts and they don'tutilize it. And oh, by the
way, I found my old Macunder the couch or under the bed.
It's like, that's not smart,that's not a wise use of finances,
and that money could be used supportingbetter things. I think that, and

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I did keep the fifteen pro.But if you remember the reason I justified
that, I didn't feel good aboutbuying it really because I was like,
yeah, I don't really need alot of the tech. But I mainly
wanted an iPhone because I wanted toI knew that with a lot of my
traveling and a lot of my trips, I was going to be recording videos
on my phone anyway, and Iwanted a a phone that had types so

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I was heavily considering switching to Androidjust so that I could plug my microphone
directly into the phone, and nomatter which adapters and cables I tried,
I couldn't do that with any lightningiPhone. I really like the thirteen Mini.
My friend just bought one and he'sbeen using it, and he let
me play around with it for awhile, and just like man, that
iPad Mini, I mean, thatiPhone Mini. iPad Mini is pretty cool

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too, but the iPhone Mini wassuch a great form factor, such a
great size. But I really justhave benefited immensely from being able to plug
in my Zoom microphone straight to theiPhone. That just simplifies my workflow and
my editing and my travel plans somuch more, to not have to fuss
around with SD cards and importing andvideo and audio and syncing them up.

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That when you do three videos aday. The past two days actually I've
done three videos a day, soit's like six videos over the course of
forty eight hours. And sometimes I'mcranking out more reviews or more videos faster
when there's more news. It justreally really helps to simplify. And I
must say that the fifteen Pro asa tool, specifically as just an iPhone

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with Type C has been very veryuseful, having that air drop built in
and having the USBC compatible with mymicrophone. And I still go back and
forth. I probably should have gonewith the regular iPhone fifteen, but part
of me was like, yeah,but I already reviewed the regular fifteen,
so I don't get to do morecontent. I already told people I would

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try out the fifteen Pro eventually anyway, but yeah, seriously, And it
was during the holiday return window,so near the end of that holiday return
window, I seriously considered returning thefifteen Pro, but it was literally just
getting so busy. There was allthis family stuff going on, and I
didn't want to go through the processof returning it. And I figured that

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the fifteen Pro review videos I gotout of it kind of made up for
the difference. But I didn't likethe precedent that it's set. And I
think a lot of tech YouTubers perpetualthat buying behavior that you should just buy
everything that comes out, even ifyou don't plan on utilizing it, even
if it's not useful, you shouldkeep it anyway. I don't like that.

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I get that everybody likes meabing thoughyou'll return it thing, but I
mean with over the course of fiveor six years. I did the math
once on a live stream. Ispent like over thirty thousand dollars on Apple
products, So I found it funnyhow no one really bats an eye on
that. It's like, Wow,you spent thirty thousand dollars on like laptops

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and phones and tablets. That's nota big deal because you're a tech YouTuber.
Okay, that's to be expected.But if someone starts returning things because
they don't think they're going to needthem, that gets ridiculed. People make
fun of that, People hold thatagainst you. It's like, what are
we perpetuating here? I couldn't convincemy family to switch to minso everyone I

(13:54):
know pays a lot for carrier service. I know not everybody likes the limited
data plans, but I would stillrecommend Visible if you are more of an
unlimited data person. Visible is farcheaper than pretty much everybody else. But
yeah, to go back to themain questions on the tailors of tech pro
members, I think that Apple probablyknows that the silicon is overkill. I

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don't think they personally believe that theiPad o ass is taking full advantage of
that silicon, probably because a lotof the silicon they're putting in the iPads
they also put into devices with activecooling systems like macmickpros that have fans,
and the iPads just to have neverhad fans, so they're well aware that
the chips they're putting in the iPadsare not really being utilized to their full

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potential. They're also in much thinnerdevices which don't have as great a heat
sink technology, so the chips haveto be limited from the hardware level in
order to function in the iPad andkeep the battery life somewhat reasonable. And
of course they can't overwork them becausethey can't cool them down actively very thin

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products. But I think that it'smore about manufacturing efficiency as to why Apple
puts these advanced, very very capable, very fast M series of chips into
the iPads, Like it probably doesn'tmake a lot of sense for them to
put a different chip in between theA seventeen chip and in between the M

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three chip. Now we're going tohave a seventeen X in the middle.
No, that's just a little toocomplicated, and the iPad is big enough
to accommodate for the same kind ofchips that they can fit in a Macmini
or a MacBook Air, So theymight as well just put in the same
chips because they're so similar. Itdoesn't make sense to waste the R and
D in the manufacturing expense to buildsome kind of in between chip. So

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that's partly why I think they're goingto be putting M three chips in iPad
pros, even though what is theiPad really going to do? I mean,
there's probably some gaming arguments they canmake now that the M three has
hardware accelerated ray tracing that maybe doesn'twork as well on a Mac because Mac
os is just known for not havingthat great of a game catalog. Whereas
the iOS app store, which isshared on the iPad and iPhone ecosystem,

(16:11):
maybe that is more likely to takeadvantage of the game support because you know,
the iPad pros have soon they'll haveO lead, but yeah, much
better displays than are currently in theMacBook Air. They also have promotion,
so they have high refresh rate displays, and they're more likely to be entertainment
and media focused devices than the MacBookis, which is more productivity focus,

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which is why I've still occasionally heardmany people say things like, you know,
why does the MacBook need promotion display? It's kind of overkill. Most
people aren't going to be playing thatmany games on it anyway. With the
iPad, the argument is a bitmore focused on well, okay, it
might have a bit more of agaming emphasis, so having that hardware accelerated

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rate tracing kind of makes sense.But yes, I do use my iPhone
to stream. The camera you're viewingme on right now is the iPhone fifteen
Pro with continuity camera with my MacAgain, another feature that I can do
on Android, but it's just notas smooth, it's not as seamless,
there's usually more watermarks involved, andit's not as stable of a connection.
There's no cable plugged into my iPhoneright now. This is just a wireless

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signal going straight into the MacBook,and then the MacBook is handling the audio.
I'm using the onboard microphone on myMac. So it's a fantastic setup
that is honestly very hard to beatoutside of the Apple ecosystem. And most
of my channel revenue comes from theEV channel now, so I'm kind of
building my tech ecosystem around how doesthis help me make better electric vehicle content?

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And the iPhone has been immensely usefulat filming car stuff because usually I've
tried to film car stuff with myblack Magic camera and with regular cameras in
the past. There's just so muchmore variables out alone in this By the
way, this is why Marquez.You know, he has his fancy car
reviews occasionally, but he made aseparate auto focused channel where pretty much the

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entire channel is shot on smartphones mostof the time an iPhone or occasionally a
pixel or a Galaxy or something.But he even expressed when he created that
channel that smartphones make it really reallyeasy for you to just focus on the
car because when you go inside thecar, the lighting is very different from
when you're outside the car, andwhen you're showing the interior space, you

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can't fit in as big a camerasetup or as many people. So having
a small camera that has really gooddynamic range with decent audio that you can
zoom to ultra wide and then fromfar away you can zoom in. Just
the iPhone camera and smartphone cameras ingeneral are so good at being able to
document car experiences, and I've donefactory tours, I've done prototype test drives,

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I've done meetups with people, andjust having a great camera like that
is really really helpful for that lineof work. You know, if I
was more of a freelance videographer thatwas filming weddings or commercials for people,
no, I don't think an iPhonewould be a good fit for the job.
Even if the iPhone cranked out goodvideos, it's just not a good
look. I have family members thatdo freelance videography, and if you're hiring

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someone, if you're paying someone todo video work for you, they're not
going to want to see you pullout a smartphone like that just doesn't make
them feel good, Like what amI paying you for? You're just using
a phone. I could do that. So, even if the performance of
the phone is really good, it'sjust a better look if you're a freelance
videographer to actually have professional equipment,because then the customer feels like they're getting

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special treatment. They're getting someone thatgoes a little bit above and beyond to
make sure that the quality is justthat good. But yeah, I think
Apple's well aware. All of thatto come back to Apple's well aware that
the hardware is overkilling the iPad.But I think this all comes back to
the title of the stream. TheiPad has an identity crisis, and it's

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kind of Oh, that's weird.Why is he? I didn't know that.
If someone's calling me as I'm livestreaming, I get a notification on
the Mac and not from the phone. Wonder why he wants to wonder?
I don't know how to answer it. I tapped the notification for some reason.

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It's not coming through in my Mac. Sorry, Randy. I hope,
I hope I'm not this The camerais still working. Hang on a
thing, Yeah, okay, thatstill works. I hope he didn't need
anything. Text me. I haveeye message open. You can text me
if that was intentional or not.Niam super chatted. The US Department of

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Transportation now requires airlines to give passengersautomatic cash refunds where their flights are canceled.
That's great, that's awesome. That'sactually a rare general government win.
Most of the time, the federalgovernment makes a bunch of stupid decisions.
But I actually agree with that one. There's way too much airline price gouging
going on. Marquez used the iPhoneand the mic Oh yeah, yeah,

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No, there's a few things.They also banned non complete non compete clauses,
which I think is good. Iknow several people personally that have been
affected by non compete clauses, andthose have now been eliminated ban slash.
Existing contracts have now expired, Ibelieve, so you can't force someone to

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not compete with you if you departthe company in any way, which very
close friends I have have had tosign non complete non compete clauses, and
they always felt a little icky anda little weird to me. I was
always surprised that a company could dothat. Now I'm kind of grateful that
they can't do that. But Ipersonally don't think that this year at dubbed

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Borr, at the Let Loose event, Apple is just gonna suddenly fix all
of our problems with the iPad.You know, the calculator is just one
problem. It's kind of the easyone to mock because it's so simple,
it's so basic. No, Idon't think that adding a calculator to the
iPad will magically make it a profocused device, but it was just an
easy, like basic thing to pointto as such, like a iPad os

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is so limited, it's so behindeverybody else. It doesn't even have a
calculator app. So it's low hangingfruit. Obviously, I don't think that
was really preventing anybody from switching overto an iPad or something. It's fruit,
no pun intended. It's an easything that they can add, So
I'm glad that they're rumored to beadding it. I hope it ends up

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being true. But no, thatdoesn't solve all of our problems. In
the same way that I feel likeiPads should have optimized battery charging, they
should have had that years ago.It's shocking to me that Apple has optimized
battery charging on AirPods, on iPhones, Apple watches, and max pretty much
on everything except the iPad. That'sthe one thing that doesn't have optimized battery

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charging, and it's such a basicfeature. So again, it's not like,
Okay, if they add optimized batterycharging, I will no longer complain
about all of the real problems ofipedos, like the limited app support,
the final cut in logic apps thatthey put on there being so substantially limited
compared to their Mac counterparts, makingthem subscription only instead of buyout, which

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is an amazing deal on the Mac. I'm kind of surprised Apple hasn't switched
to a subscription only model for theirpro apps, but I'm grateful that they
haven't. It's just it seems likethe kind of thing Apple would do these
days. With Adobe having such asubscription focus for years now, it feels
like for the past decade, maybelonger than a decade, Adobe has switched

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over to the whole creative cloud concept, so you can't buy Adobe apps one
time anymore, whereas Apple is stillletting people buy the pro Apse bundle for
education, which is like two hundredbucks and you get final cut in logic
and motion and compressor and all thisstuff. We'll get the charge limitter on
legacy iPhones, MacBooks and AirPods,and then optimized mattery charging will show up

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on the iPad. Yeah, itfeels like and I've had people inside Apple
tell me this is true, thatthere's not a designated IPEd os team,
which is kind of why I jokein my videos about like ipedos team,
what are you talking about? Thereis no team. They don't do anything.
It sounds like there's an iOS team, of course, that is very

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focused on making sure that the iOSis stable and getting new features and backwards
supported so that even older iPhones runrelatively stable, but of course they make
mistakes. Software is a very underappreciated, underrated, and very difficult thing to
get right into. Bug fixing isextremely complicated, and I think most people

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don't understand how complicated software is.So of course it's difficult for Apple to
get everything right with iOS. Butrelative to how complicated it is and how
many devices it runs on and howlong it lasts, iOS is pretty stable
relatively and there's just a few peopleon the iOS team that occasionally have to

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get iPad os to catch up withall of the features that they're working on
with the regular iOS team, whichis why it often feels like the iPad
os team, or the lack ofiPadOS gets iOS hand me down features.
So we'll see a bunch of newfeatures and perks come to iOS, and
then not all of those things arebrought to the iPad and then a year

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goes by, and now what doesiPadOS get? Oh, it gets the
things that iOS got like a yearago. It feels like that because there's
not really a designated team of peopleworking on ipedos. There's just a big
iOS team, and occasionally a segmentof that team has to get iPads to
catch up. Whereas there is awatch os team, there is a team
of software engineers that just focus onwatch os and nothing else. There is

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a macOS team, a bunch ofsoftware engineers that just work on Mac Os
and nothing else. Probably even thesame thing with tvOS to a certain extent.
But is there an iPad OS team. Not really, There's just a
segment of the iOS team that goes, oh, yeah, we have to
catch this up because I think Apple'sprobably, you know, still doing layoffs

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and freezing on new hires right now. I don't think that's gonna change anytime
soon. So it's never really gonnafeel like the iPad really gets its moment
to shine in regards to software becauseApple fundamentally views the iPad as like a
separate category from the Mac and itcannot do everything the Mac can do.
And they just as long as theyhave that barrier in their mind that if

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I request that the iPad should dosomething my Mac can do, they just
go, no, it's an iPad. It shouldn't. It shouldn't do that.
It's never really going to fix allof my complaints with it. It's
never really going to resolve all myissues with it. And that's okay.
For the record, I'm not sayingApples doomed or the iPad is doomed if
they don't listen to me. Ijust think it's a big missed opportunity for
the iPad to become much more capable, because I think there would be demand

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in a lot of public interest ina super capable Apple two in one device
that could be a tablet and afully functional laptop. We definitely see a
lot of interest in that in theWindows community. A lot of people love
their surface pro devices because it canbe a touchscreen, it can do dote
taking, it can do drawing andartwork, but it can also be a

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fully functional laptop that has access toall the same things as a normal Windows
PC would, And I think Applecould compete in that space, and they're
probably just more insistent on well,it's better off if we just sell them
a Mac and an iPad. ButI think the whole reason the iPhone is
such a big success, and thereason the iPhone is so popular is because

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it combines the functionality of so manydevices all in one. You got your
Internet communicator, you got a cellphone, you got your music player,
you got your camera, you gotyour boarding pass. Now it's like it's
your wallet, it's your browser,it's your email machine. So many devices,
you know, all come to one. And that's why I think it's

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so popular. It's because it's sucha multifunctional device. And what Apple's doing
with the iPad in the Mac rightnow, I think would be the equivalent
of Apple saying, you know,let's just make a I don't know they
didn't do this because Steve Jobs wasspearheading the project, but it'd be like
if Apple said, let's just keepmaking iPods and then we'll also make a

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phone, and then we can convincepeople to buy, you know, an
Apple flip phone which has buttons oryou know, maybe even a cordy keyboard.
If Apple went the BlackBerry route,We're gonna make a smartphone, but
then we'll also make iPods. Thatway, the iPod can be the music
device and the BlackBerry Apple thing canbe a smartphone. And then we'll also

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sell a designated camera. And weneed to sell all three of these devices
because that'll generate more revenue than ifwe tried to combine them all into one.
When in reality, when you haveone product that can do all of
these things, that's much more capable. People are willing to spend more money.
And I think because the iPhone iscapable of doing so many things at
once. That's how Apple has mainstreamedand normalized the concept of oh yeah,

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one thousand dollars for a new phone. Yeah, okay, I think I
can justify that. People do itnow and they don't even think about it.
You see, like freaking teenagers nowwith thousand dollars iPhones because they're like,
well, I mean, yeah,it does everything, so of course
I'll spend some money on it.Whereas a few years ago, most people
would never have spent more than acouple hundred bucks on an iPod. iPod

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was like two hundred two maybe fourhundred dollars. Good luck trying to sell
people on like a five hundred dollarsiPod. Maybe if you spec up the
storage, it went way up there, but for the most part, iPods
were like a couple hundred bucks.But now with the iPhone being a smartphone
and a camera and all these otherthings. People are like, oh,
yeah, a thousand bucks. Okay, now that's like the most popular smartphone

(30:14):
in the world is a phone thatcosts over one thousand dollars for the default
storage if we're factoring in the higherstorage configurations. Yeah, some people are
spending fourteen, fifteen hundred dollars onphones, and because they use them so
much, they can justify it becausethey do so much. And I think
the same way, the iPad wouldprobably the equivalent. If we made an

(30:36):
iPad pro that was the equivalent SPECKof my MacBook Pro, you know,
like it had a sixteen inch display, and it had a couple more thunderbolt
ports, and it had an Mthree Max chip in it inside it,
it would probably cost more. Ithink the iPad spec for SPECK with the
Max would be a more expensive product, but a bunch of people could probably
justify it because of how capable itwas. I don't have to carry around

(30:59):
an iPad and a Mac now Ican just carry around one device, which
I think it's personally easier to turnan iPad into a Mac than it would
be to turn a Mac into aniPad. So I would just say you
know, keep the MacBooks for peoplewho don't want a touchscreen or don't want
Apple pencil features. There's definitely alot of people who are not interested in
a two in one. There's definitelya lot of people that would just say,
nah, I don't need all that. I just want a MacBook Air

(31:22):
to get the you know, Macos ecosystem going and my productivity apps,
and I like a keyboard. Andthe Mac would still probably have better battery
life, it could probably keep thelegacy ports around for people who want HDMI
and SD card slot, the batterycould be physically bigger, so the battery
life would probably be better. There'dbe all these advantages of buying a Mac.

(31:44):
Sure, it'd be cheaper than,like I said, than the iPad
equivalent. But for those who wanta two in one device, I think
the iPad could be pretty substantial anddisruptive, and that would be just such
a cool product to imagine one thingthat can do do it all. And
that's the reason I love my iPhoneso much. It's one thing that can

(32:05):
do it all. But Apple,I think, has this more traditional,
less risky. I don't think TimCook is as bold as Steve was.
Steve was always obsessed with the product, not so much the profit or the
company. You know. He wasmore about just like really making a solid
product that did everything he wanted itto do. And he probably I don't

(32:27):
know if he would have been interestedin the iPad really taking over the Mac.
But I just think if you're insistentthat the iPad can't be more than
well, it's just it's not meantto be a laptop. It's just meant
to be. Then then I ask, okay, then why did you bring
so many Mac features to the iPad? You know? Why did you give
it keyboard and track pad support?Why did you give it larger size?
Why did you give it a Macchip? Why give it all of these

(32:51):
Mac things? While simultaneously saying,no, but it's not a it's not
a Mac, so don't ask forit to do Mac like stuff. I
think if you're paying that much fora device with a screen that big,
with a chip that fast, withkeyboard and trackpad support, it should do
everything the Mac can. In myopinion, I don't. I think that's
dumb. Which I've interacted with peoplethat question this. They go, hey,

(33:12):
look look what the iPad can do. Now they dock it with the
keyboard case. Now you have thisthirteen inch display, you have a keyboard
in a trackpad, you have anM series chip. And someone goes,
Okay, can I use this forI don't know what I'm doing right now,
I'll use Continuity Camera livestream off ofOBS. No, I can't do

(33:32):
that. Okay? Can I putFinal Cut on here and access all the
same features that my Mac has?No, it has the iPad version.
Now you gotta pay extra. Doesn'tmatter if you paid for Final Cut years
ago and you've owned it and youcan keep using it on your Mac for
free. Now if you want toswitch to the iPad, you have to
start paying five bucks a month forit. It's like, why why does

(33:54):
that matter? It's the exact samecompany. It's it's just a different form
factor. I don't know. It'dbe like I don't know. It'd be
like kind of software locking features tothe higher end iPhone, but something more
basic. I don't know, LikeI message be like if you can only

(34:15):
send certain ie messages, certain effectsfor imassage on the fifteen Pro, but
you couldn't do it on the regularfifteen. Trying to think of a better
example, they are differentiating the siliconnow, and they do software locked features
sometimes, but trying to think ofa good I still I mean, that
doesn't make it okay. But likethey could probably bring pro res recording to

(34:40):
the regular fifteens, they just choosenot to because they're not pro even though
they have the silicon to support it, because we know the thirteen pros could
do it. Kevin the Software testersays that doesn't surprise me. I think
there's not a lot of demand foriPad, so there's less effort to bring
features to the iPad. Yeah,I just I think it's a missed opportunit.

(35:00):
I guess that's all I'm saying islike I think iPad sales would grow
a lot, maybe Mac sales wouldshrink a bit if they made the iPad
pro a bit more of a prothat was more capable, and they just
fully unlocked the software to do everythinga Mac can do. I think it
should do everything a Mac can doit more, But I think the revenue

(35:24):
generated would be overall higher. Idon't think it would kill the Mac,
but it would increase iPad sales andspecifically increase the higher price iPad sales.
Apple doesn't break down the iPad revenueby model, but my guess is they
have said that the cheapest iPad,like the three hundred dollars iPad, is

(35:45):
still the best seller, which supportsmy argument. But I'd be willing to
bet like fifty or sixty percent ofiPad sales are for like the three hundred
dollars one. The vast majority arebuying the cheapest, most bare bones,
and then another like twenty to thirtypercent of sales are the iPad Air,
which are mostly selling at six hundredbucks. And then maybe after that ten

(36:08):
or fifteen percent is the iPad Mini. And then this tiny tiny sliver of
like five percent ten percent of iPadsales are actually the pros and most of
them are just being used as youknow, media entertainment devices. And some
people just are like, well,it's an iPad with a nice display,
and I can afford it to allbuy that one. But I think the

(36:28):
iPad pro sales could be much much, much higher if the software could pick
them up. But it's a deadhorse. I've beat it to death,
and I asked the pro members whatthey wanted to talk about. I don't
think Apple's thinking that the software istaking advantage of the silicon to its max
capability. But I don't think Idon't think that bothers them. I think

(36:51):
Apple's perfectly content with hardware being overkilled. It's like, yeah, you'll probably
never max out the silicon in thisdevice we just built into overhead. Now
we can add more features or morecapabilities in future software updates if we feel
like it. But as we know, with the whole iOS team occasionally having
to get IPEd os to catch up, it probably won't. But manufacturing efficiency

(37:16):
helps them simplify everything. It's probablymuch much easier for them to just throw
an overkill chip in there, callit a day. They get some bragging
rights because they get to say,wow, look how fast this M three
chip is. We put it inan iPad. Do you get to do
anything with it? Rarely? Butyou get the marketing out of it.

(37:37):
It sounds good advertising wise to belike, look at this incredible chip that
we put into an iPad. Let'ssee the three hundred dollars iPad can do
ninety nine percent of the things theexpensive options can do. Yeah, pretty
much, it's all just execution,which you know, I've heard people argue
that it's not like the MacBook Aircan't do the same software things that a

(38:02):
high end MacBook Pro could do.Right, It's mainly just the MacBook pros
do them better with better hardware,and they do them faster because they have
better cooling and better chips. Butyeah, I guess the port difference is
a bit more noticeable. So MacBookpros have more port selection than the MacBook

(38:22):
Air, whereas an iPad Pro okay, it has a thunderbolt port and the
four hundred dollars iPad has a USBtwo point zero port. But yeah,
the hardware differences don't unlock a tonmore light are Wow? Uh would I
ever review the brick? It's asmall, three D printed small button thing

(38:44):
that blocks certain apps or websites fromyour phone, and you can unlock them
by holding the small thing near theiPhone. Never heard of that. That
sounds interesting but kind of gimmicky.Again, I'm an essentialist, so if
I don't absolutely need a piece ofhardware, I prefer to get rid of
it. Only reason I have theApple boxes on my wall is for you,
guys. If I was not recordingtech videos, and a couple of

(39:06):
years ago, I tried to doa video where I just got rid of
all the Apple boxes. I wantedit to be clean and minimal, so
I just had like a basic whitebackground, and people didn't like it.
Honestly, I thought, oh,you'll get over it. But it was
like weeks later and people were like, oh man, their setup looks so
much worse and so much more boringwithout the boxes. So I was like,
okay, I'll keep some of theboxes. I got rid of most

(39:27):
of them, I got rid ofthe duplicates, and now I just keep
the ones on my wall. There'snot really any more than the ones that
are up there. But for themost part, I've felt like over time,
especially when you move, stuff,kind of just weighs you down.
So if I don't absolutely need something, I either sell it or give it

(39:47):
away or don't buy it in thefirst place. But that's an interesting concept
of blocking certain apps and websites unlessyou hold it down. I mean,
Mac is like a K and iPadis what three K. It depends on
the MAC. I mean. Theproblem is the max that are eight thousand
have way fancier NaNs and specs thatthe iPad wouldn't. My point is,

(40:13):
if you if you spec match iPadswith max. Usually the iPad is more
expensive, like a MacBook Air forexample. Can we do this? Drew
is not a collector. I usedto be, but I started realizing how
annoying it is to be a collector. Let's let's play with the configurator a
little bit. So if I wantedan iPad pro that's the same size with

(40:36):
the same storage as a MacBook Air, you know, spec for spec,
we got to do twelve point nineinches, right space gray. Oh,
they still have one twenty eight gigso to get it, you know,
like a MacBook, I got todo two fifty six gig with Wi Fi.
And a MacBook comes with you know, a keyboard case. So we'll

(40:58):
add the magic keyboard whichever white isfine. Yeah, well we don't need
the trade in. Now it's fifteenhundred dollars to get a thirteen inch iPad
with a keyboard with the same storage, you know, fifteen fifty And that's
without a pencil, right, that'swithout a cell plan. That's just the
same size and storage as a MacBookAir, which we all know that a

(41:22):
MacBook Air, if you want theexact same chip, is actually one thousand
dollars. So it's five hundred bucksless, but if you want the M
three it's eleven hundred dollars. Sospec for spec, the iPad is more
expensive, and there's still advantages tothe Air mind you. I mean the
Air doesn't have as good a display, but it does have two thunderbol ports

(41:44):
instead of one. Still has aheadphone jack if you care about that.
It has a much better battery lifeof the aluminum enclosure usually for the keyboard
and trackpad ages better than the Foliokeyboard case. So that's what I mean
by iPads when you spec match themwith MacBooks are typically more expensive. What
do you think of dual os foriPad? I don't know what dual os

(42:05):
is, but if it's your ideaof you know, docked with the keyboard
mac os and to yeah, I'lljust say switch switch, Let the consumer
decide which one they want to use. This doesn't require sideloading, This doesn't
require alt stores or anything. Thiswould literally just be you know, we
know mac OS runs on the Mseries of chips. Mac OS is owned

(42:27):
and designed by Apple. Just putthe same OS that you put in your
Mac on the iPad. To me, that's not that crazy. But the
iPad doesn't know what it is.iPads are great for kids, but that's
it. It really feels like that, especially when everyone was like, bring
x code to the iPad. Thesethis hardware is super capable. It's beautiful.

(42:49):
I love carrying around the iPad withme. I love the Apple pencil.
It would be great if I couldrun x code and write software on
my iPad. People were asking forthat for years, and then Apple gives
us swift playgrounds literally playground. Howhow much more smack in the face.

(43:09):
This is four kids can you get? Then everybody asking for x code,
so Apple gives us playground. Okay, have your fun little pretend iPad experience.
You can pretend like you're a grownup, but then one day you
buy a real computer, which isa Mac. Elizabeth says, I'm skeptical
how good mac os and iPad wouldbe based on your review of the M

(43:30):
two Air the Lost podcast. Didn'tit overheat? Yeah, the M two
chip did have overheating problems, butI think you can mac Os is capable
of running on much much you know, slower machines. I mean that was
more of a silicon problem than anything. The M two Air hardware wise,

(43:52):
had a much smaller heat sync thanthe M one Air, and I know
the iPad had some uh has somesmaller but it would just be a throw
performance experience, I guess. Butyou know, macOS is still capable of
running on a handful of Intel MacBooks, which are much much slower, So
I think that the macOS experience mightbe throttled a bit compared to a Mac

(44:14):
Sure, but I don't think itwould be necessarily like impossible. I still
use my eighth iPad to be honest, I'm not upgrading until the one I
have breaks. Yeah. I feellike that's most people with iPads very little
reason to upgrade them, and that'slikely why the sales have gone down so
much. Just wondering what kind ofRCS do you think we'll come to the
iPhone and do you think we'll hearsomething about it at Apple's big June event?

(44:37):
Uh? Probably because it's software related, so I assume that will be
just part of the feature set.Google. I don't know if they know
something, but Google's own website saysthat Apple is getting RCS support in the
fall. Apple didn't give us muchof a timeline. They only said that
we're getting RCS in twenty twenty four. They didn't really say when Google claims

(44:59):
in the fall, which is probablyjust a safe assumption. I don't know
if Apple told Google when it's happening, but it would make a lot of
sense to me that RCS support wouldjust be part of the iOS eighteen feature
list, so it's included with iOSeighteen. I don't know that much about
how many different versions of RCS arethere are. My guess is Apple's probably
not going to choose the one thateverybody wants them to choose, but it

(45:21):
is still a form of RCS.It might not be the most encrypted safe
version, but it will still technicallybring all of the RCS features like the
message reactions and the higher quality messagesand pictures and videos actually sending, and
group chat features. So yeah,I believe it's just going to be an
iOS eighteen thing. I like thedualos idea. I think that's just called

(45:45):
dual booting. Max used to dothat. I think they still do that.
If you're on Intel, you canboot up Windows straight off your Mac,
and that's owned by a completely differentcompany, and Apple was okay with
that, which is why I'm kindof like, Hey, also wouldn't this
satisfy a lot of the EU andin federal government's complaints about sideloading at ALT
stores if they if they let youdual boot mac Os onto the iPad,

(46:09):
they could technically say, Okay,the iPad supports sideloading and all stores,
it's just through macOS, not throughiOS, which is kind of a loophole
that I feel like Apple would likebecause then they don't have to mess around
with, you know, making surethis is capable on iOS. And like
we've talked about, macOS could beas a dual boot option could be restricted

(46:31):
to just the iPad pros. Itcould be just available on M one iPads,
or even if we're worried about theheat sink issues, it could be
just available on M two or Mthree iPads. That way, most iPads
which are selling in the three hundredfour hundred dollars realm, they can't sideload,
they can't support all stores because theydon't support dual booting. But Apple

(46:53):
can still technically say in court,oh yeah, no, iPads support sideloading,
even if they're just talking about theirhighest, most expensive So now the
law has to get a lot moretechnical and I kind of. It probably
doesn't fix all of the government prosecutionagainst them, but it delays it.
It makes it harder for them toprosecute because now the government can't say that

(47:13):
iPads don't support sideloading in all stores, but they will have to get more
specific that Okay, well, wewant all iPads to support sideloading in all
stores, not just the pros,which when you get more specific like that,
it takes longer. You know,it would be an Apple's favor.
I feel like if they said,because in case you missed it, macOS
lets you download software and lets youuse different launchers and stuff that are not

(47:37):
from the macOS app store, soyou bring that to the iPad, you
can technically say, okay, there'stechnically a way to do this on the
iPad. Only the iPad Mini knowswhat its purpose is, which is why
it's the only iPad I still usesomewhat regularly. I agree, if you're
just focusing on I want a smallyou know, not quite a laptop,

(47:58):
but I want a bigger touch inmy phone with a nice stylust and I
can draw and take notes on it. iPad minies affordable. It's got Apple
pencil two support, which is inmy opinion, the only Apple pencil that
should exist, and it's for iPados is limitations that that hardware fits it
well. Dual OS takes up alot of space if they don't up base

(48:23):
storage. Eh, it didn't reallyon the Mac. They used to ship
Max with dual boot capabilities that hadone hundred and twenty eight gigs of storage.
Also, I'm not saying you can'tsoftware lock it. That might help
you sell more iPads. If yousay dual boot is only available on iPads

(48:44):
that have two hundred and fifty sixgigs of storage or it's you could go
higher. You could say dual bootingis only possible on iPads with a terabyte.
You know, we need the additionalRAM because iPad puts more RAM in
the one terabyte two terabyte iPads.So if you just said mac Os as
a dual boot option is on theiPads with a terabited storage, that would

(49:06):
be better than what we have now. It would you know, we'd have
a new set of complaints that,oh my god, Apple wants me to
spend all this money to get dualboot macOS. It's like, okay,
that's annoying, but it's still betterthan now, which is, you know,
still being fundamentally limited by this crippledOS that doesn't get much attention on
a you know, two thousand dollarsdevice, I would say, yeah,

(49:30):
you know, as long as there'sa way to do it, it doesn't
have to be the most economical.But if it only works on one terabied
iPads, you definitely don't have toworry about MAC cannibalization. Just trying to
justify iPads that cost that much iskind of ridiculous. Dual booting on one
twenty eight gig is awful, Iagree, But Apple lets you do it,
is my point. So if yourargument is they shouldn't let you do

(49:52):
it because it would be an inferiorexperience, it didn't stop you before Drew.
If you had to quit either yourtech channel or EV channel, which
one would you quit this one?In a heartbeat? Sorry, no question.
You could argue, I've already quiton this. It's just ev space

(50:12):
is just infinitely more interesting. Allthe things I'm talking about with the iPad
I've probably already said in a previouslive stream or podcast. Whereas the EV
community is constantly exploring and trying todo new things, and there's a laundry
list of video topics to dive intoand subjects to talk about, whereas with
this field, there's increasingly less totalk about in terms of technology because it's

(50:37):
just iteration upon iteration. A lotof big companies that don't want to try
anything too different or too risky.That's really what we're all complaining about here
with the iPad identity crisis, isthat the iPad could do so much more,
but because Apple plays things way toosafe, they just want the iPad
to keep being what it is.It's a note taker, it's a media

(50:59):
consumption device and an artistry tool,and that's it. We don't want to
go beyond that. But electric vehiclespace is infinitely more interesting to me.
There's far more things to talk about. There's far more noticeable changes to document.
I mean, the car market isdown. I wouldn't say the EV

(51:19):
craze is dying out. It's justlike the number of people, especially when
interest rates are as high as theyare, dealerships are getting slammed. Gas
or electric, by the way,Typically when interest rates are high, people
don't spend as much money on cars. But it hasn't changed the fact that
there's a lot of talk or alot of interest in what the EV space

(51:42):
is going to look like, howdo you manage the shrinking demand. But
it's not just buyers, there's alsojust EV fans and EV enthusiasts that kind
of thing. I think that ifGoogle knows something that the green bubbles,
they just default the Google Messages,though an extension in the blue bubbles will
just stay. I'm I honestly don'tunderstand the obsession with the colors. I

(52:02):
guess a lot of people just thinkthat, iye, message bullying will continue
as long as they use the greenbubble. But I don't think it's a
software problem. I think it's justa people problem that everyone's assuming is a
tech problem. It's like, ifthere's someone who's going to make fun of

(52:22):
you for not having an iPhone orpressure you for not having an iPhone,
they're gonna do that. Regardless ofwhat color the message is. There's always
gonna be some feature that is notthere because you don't have an iPhone.
It could be the payments, itcould be the animations, it could be
the FaceTime button. Whatever the noticeablefeature is that indicates that you don't own

(52:44):
an iPhone, someone's going to bullyyou regardless. It's not like the bullies
are just gonna suddenly stop if thecolor of the message changes. That doesn't
make sense. Do I think peopleshould buy the iPad pro M one now?
Not really. There's very few peoplethat I think should buy an iPad
unless for a very specific reason.It depends what do you want to use

(53:09):
it for. I guess it wouldbe my question. And arguably, yeah,
I think that depending on what softwarefeatures or hardware features Apple showcases for
us, it's very likely that arefurbished second hand m one iPad pro will
probably be cheaper and be a betterdeal and give you ninety five percent of

(53:30):
the same experience. And will younotice that additional five percent by spending the
extra three hundred dollars? Probably greenbubble, Oh, you are the Android
user. It could be. Itdoesn't have to be that. You could
be texting someone and not have theFaceTime button, or not have the ie
message, contact photo or banner.The green bubble is not inherently the problem.

(53:53):
It's someone who wants to shame youfor not buying a particular brand which
is messed up and I would say, don't be friends with that person,
or they're not a reasonable person anyway. The main reason I have a hard
time getting behind this whole oh,Apple's encouraging bullying or something, is that
so many of my family members useAndroid, and many of my friends still

(54:15):
use Android, and never once havewe had an issue with texting them.
It's like, oh, the picturesdon't look as good over SMS, just
send them over Messenger and then everybodyjust uses Messenger, or you know,
if my message isn't enough for you, then you go to Instagram, DMS,
or you go to Snapchat, oryou go to Telegram, or like
the rest of the world, yougo to WhatsApp. It's just a reasonable

(54:38):
person is not going to shame youfor the device you have. An unreasonable
bully is going to continue to bean unreasonable bully no matter how easy you
make it for them to text youback and forth. It's not about what
Apple does. It's about the kindof people in your life that would actually
treat you differently based on the productyou use. Do you ever wish that

(55:01):
the tailor losive network wasn't several channelsbut just one taillessive channel for management of
content. No, it would bemore complicated. I used to it honestly
used to be one channel, andI tried to do everything on one channel.
But then you get one type ofaudience member expecting one type of content

(55:22):
and a different audience member expecting adifferent type of content, and then the
comments get all intermixed. So froma content management point of view, it
is actually much easier to have separatechannel. It's kind of like how it's
nice to have separate rooms in yourhouse. I mean, technically you could
make it like a studio and haveyour stove and your shower and your bed

(55:45):
and your living room and your TVand your toilet. You could technically have
no walls and have a much moreopen floor plan. But you start to
quickly realize, like, ah,I don't really like having all of these
separate having everything open all the time. You know, you don't want to

(56:05):
crap where you eat. You canfigure out which channel is the toilet and
which channel is the kitchen. Teenswill be teens exactly. I don't think
the elimination of the green bubble wouldfix that. Green bubbles versus blue is
the more childish debate ever. Weare living with grown adults acting like kids.
Yeah, I agree, and Idon't think that Apple changing the color

(56:29):
would fix that. There's always goingto be some feature that exposes the fact
that you don't have an iPhone.You think all the bullies will suddenly just
love you and stop complaining if you'rea blue bubble, I don't think so.
Shouldn't we have an option to haveall the messages the same color?
Hate the green color? Sure,I'd say any color you want. That's

(56:52):
what Messenger does. I mean,I'm not the biggest fan of meta,
but I gotta be honest, theMessenger app is pretty useful. I don't
like that they change the search buttoninto a meta AI button, though my
wife was complaining about that recently.But yeah, I mean, there's not
going to be a perfect messaging app. We have our complaints with I Message,
and we'll have our complaints with Messenger. But actually, whenever I'm sending

(57:15):
photos or videos, I tend touse Messenger because Messenger will host the pictures
and videos within that app for freeforever. And if you send pictures and
videos through I Message, it countsagainst your iCloud storage. If you have
iCloud messages and if you don't,then it counts towards your device storage.
So Messenger doesn't do either of thosethings. So whenever I'm sending large pictures

(57:38):
or videos, I'll switch over toMessenger, which you know, it'd be
nice. I understand how many ofus may want the federal government to mandate
and require a perfect messaging app thatdoes everything we've ever wanted, but it's
just probably not feasible, it's probablynot practical. It might make a lot
more sense to just switch between messagingapps based even though it's more implicated and

(58:00):
it's more annoying, at least forme, it's a lot more economical to
just switch to the messaging app that'sgoing to result in the least amount of
cloud storage or device storage being filledup. You know, if we make
everybody use I Message and Apple countsall of your I Message photos and videos
towards your iCloud storage than okay,now everybody has to pay more for iCloud

(58:21):
storage. Is that the future youwant? Yeah? I know the MENAAI
thing is infuriating, but at thesame time they are providing a pretty capable,
pretty flexible messaging service with unlimited photoand video sending. Capabilities, and
they host those pictures in video.I can go to the texts that I
have my text history with my wifeon Facebook Messenger and go to the view

(58:45):
media on pictures and scroll back everyphoto and video I've ever sent my wife,
even before we were married, beforewe were even dating, and I
was in the friend zone and itwas just me and her texting as friends.
I can scroll back and see allthose pictures. Mena has hosted them
on their servers for free. That'spretty handy. So no wonder they're trying

(59:06):
to turn the app into some kindof revenue stream because they probably lose a
bunch of money on it, right, So it's frustrating when they do things
we don't like. But at thesame time, I do appreciate that service,
so I'm going to keep using it. And then by the reason I
brought up the Messenger app is theylet you change the color of the bubbles
to any color you want. Youcan have it when I text. When

(59:28):
I text my parents, it's ayellow bubble. When I text some of
my friends, it's red. WhenI text other people family members, it's
blue. Certain family members it's purple. You know, you can pick and
choose. It can be a gradientso that when the messages are at the
bottom of the chat, they're moreblue, and when they're at the top
they're more purple. You can changeit to whatever you want, and you

(59:51):
know, the bullying would still persist. You know, teens will be teens.
Do I think the EU will allowsiye sideloading apps that there will allow
alternative texting apps like Google Messages comingto the iPhone and have a setting so
you can make it your texting app. Yeah, I was gonna say you
can have other texting apps already,it's just making it the default so you

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control it through voice. Yeah,that sounds like something that you would want
to enforce, because that's the kindof non compete or two competitive advantage that
Apple has is like, oh,you can only use one voice assistant,
you can't set it to a differentone than one messaging app. Which actually
actually I plan on talking about thatin my next video as to what Apple

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can do about the fact that wemight just have to accept that Apple's not
going to have a ton of softwareadvantages like locking down everybody to have to
use the Eye message app or youhave to use Siri or that kind of
thing. And if they end uplosing all of these software advantages, or
the Apple Watch works with any phone, and any Android watch has to work
and have feature parody with the AppleWatch when you pair it. It's let's

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ignore the debate on whether or notthey should be forced to do that.
Let's just assume they lose all thesecourt cases. What can Apple do to
handle it and what that looks likein the future. If Apple does not
have any ecosystem advantages, but youpay with your data free actually means that
you are the product Metaprivacy does notPrivacy does not exist in my opinion.

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I mean, if you want toaccuse them of fraud, they do technically
say that WhatsApp is and to endencrypted. I believe they've expanded that to
Facebook Messenger as well. I mean, has that ever come back to bite
you. Have you ever been incourt of law and someone said, oh,
we pulled your Facebook messages here?I mean, I agree. I

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think digital privacy as a whole isa myth. Like from the off the
record conversations I've had with multiple people, I have both family members and friends
that work in government security, andfrom what I've heard, I can't reveal
everything. But from what I've heard, if you have secrets that you want
to keep from the government, youknow, do not keep those secrets on

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any electronic device that is capable ofaccessing the Internet. I don't think you're
really going to achieve digital privacy byjust using the right apps at the right
place at the right time. It'slike, nah, it's the government can
find their way through anything. Youremember the whole FBI story where they went
to Apple and they asked Apple toopen the iPhone and Apple said no,

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we're not going to open it.The end of that story was the FBI
found another way in. That's aperfect analogy of how this whole digital privacy
thing works. Apple stands by whatthey believe is the right thing. They
get some street credit for it,but then the government found another way in
anyway, it didn't stop them.They wanted a quicker, faster solution than

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Apple didn't provide them, but itdidn't stop them from finding a solution.
In the end, the government willwill find their find their way in.
Scott, thank you for the superchat, He says, just to say,
Hi, Wow, that was totallyunnecessary, but thank you very much.
Ipenos doesn't have sideloading. It's sadthat this OS is so bad.

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Well, it's because it's really it'son the surface it's branded differently, but
under the hood it's basically just iOS. It's iOS on a bigger screen.
In reality, there's not a bigdifference. A guide to digital security step
one, don't. Yeah, therewere even big VPN services that they were

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like, oh, this helps secureyour data, and then they get hacked
and breached and then it turns outthat they weren't actually securing their data.
Same thing with passwordvantage or apps.I've kind of given up on the whole
concept. I believe that if youhave secrets or things that a government should
be worried about or that they coulduse against you, then they're gonna find
it. Like I don't, Idon't think digital privacy is really a thing.

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The only comforting thought that I wouldecho to people who are concerned about
privacy is the sheer amount of connecteddevices and the sheer amount of people now
prevents the concept that there are individualhumans listening in on everything you're doing.
There's just not physically possible. There'slike billions of people with smartphones and only

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so many people that can work forthe federal government and actually be spying on
people. Probably less than one hundredthousand people that are in charge of like
you know, the whole wire tappingconcept or tuning in to what's what's being
said, what's being communicated. Andthere's hundreds of millions of us all talking

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and using our phones and texting constantly. So there's not going to be a
human listening in on every single thingyou're doing unless there's some kind of you
know, algorithm that is searching forkey phrases, keywords that set off little
alarms like, oh, what isthis person planning? What is this person
plotting? Are they are they goingto, you know, come after us,
or are they planning some kind ofattack? You know, when those

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kinds of phrases go off, itprobably sets off some internal algorithm and then
they come after you and start andthen they start monitoring you. But if
you don't really have anything to hide, I don't think there's going to be
a person listening in on everything you'redoing. As I said, just accept
that everybody has access to your data. If you don't like it, don't

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use any electronic device pretty much.I mean, I can't say everything I've
heard, because I do have friendsthat work in government security and family members
that have been working in government securityfor a long long time, and they've
they've told me things that are like, ah, there's not much hope for

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that. There's not much hope foryou having much privacy on your phone.
So if you have something that canbe used against you, that's a concern.
But a lot of people are like, well, I don't have anything
to hide. I just you know, it's the same reason I wear clothes
to cover up. I just it'sabout little privacy. It's like, you
just don't want another person on theother end listening in. Well, that's

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why I tell you, if youdon't have anything to hide, there probably
isn't someone listening in on you.Doesn't mean they can't wiretap or tune in
or start monitoring you if they wantto, but if you don't give them
a reason to, they're not goingto. Is my point. The government
would use AI to listen to millionsof calls. Yeah, which we already

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have AI listening to our stuff andanalyzing our photos all the time. But
I don't think most people are asbothered by that. The main reason people
are concerned about. I would liketo think the main reason most people are
concerned about privacy and security is notbecause they're, you know, terrorists.
I don't think that's why everybody buysiPhones is because they have these big plans
to attack the government. It's mainlyjust because they don't like the idea.

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They feel uncomfortable with the idea thatsomeone could be spying on them, another
individual could be looking into them.The idea of an algorithm that's looking for
phrases or words that trigger, youknow, a certain red flag on a
system that probably doesn't bother people asmuch. I don't think they're as worried

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about being scanned by like a faceless, you know computer. But yeah,
they use algorithms to monitor everything theyneed. Please read my comment. Is
it possible new iPad pro will comewith M three pro or max Chimp?
Very unlikely, I would say,just due to the thermal limitations of the

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size. The new iPad pros arerumored to be the thinnest I think the
thinnest Apple product. I should sayApple Electronic because everyone goes, what about
the Apple card? The Apple cardis thinner? Okay, God, it's
a credit card. We shouldn't countthat. But anyway, the thinnest Apple

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electronic device ever is probably getting unveiledat the Let Loose event because the rumored
specifications are that the new iPad prois five point zero millimeters thin. That
makes it thinner than any iPod.Yeah, even thinner than the iPod shuffles.
It's nuts and when you try tofit a silicon in there, it's

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going to be very thermally constrained.So I don't think that they would put
an even faster chip in there that'sgoing to heat up more, especially because
the iPads pretty much have never hadany kind of active cooling system. You
know, they don't have spinning fanson the inside, So I don't think
they would put an M three Proand M three Max in there. Because

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apps like Google Messages as your defaultreplacement for I message apps like you can
on Android and is just frustrating.Has Samsung just switched over to Google Messages?
Yeah? I I think Google hasnot had a great track record with
messaging apps either, though They've haddozens of messaging apps. But you can

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say Google Messages should be the default, but then there's still going to be
a bunch of people that use What'sApp and a bunch of people that use
Messenger. It's kind of like messagingapps are kind of like social media is.
It's very hard to get people toswitch once they're comfortable with one,
which I actually think might be afunny, unintended consequence of all these government
crackdowns. I actually think even ifApple lost all of their ecosystem advantages,

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let's say I message is now anAndroid for free, you can switch your
iPhone to the Google Assistant. TheApple Watch is compatible with all phones,
and all Android watches are compatible withiPhones and androids. You can open up
the walled garden, you can knockdown all those walls, and I bet
a bunch of people would probably stillkeep buying iPhones simply because it's what they're
used to, and it's what they'recomfortable with, and the brand power.

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Now that Apple has really ingrained intoa lot of people, they're just like,
I just want an iPhone because myiPhone is the easiest thing to transfer
my data to. I know mypassword for my Apple ID. If I
switch to Android, the menus andthe home screen is just going to be
a little bit different, and I'mgoing to have to make a Samsung account
if I buy a Galaxy, orI'm going to have to remember my Google

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password again, and what's my Googlepassword again? You know the confusion involved
with switching. Even if all ofthe walled garden barriers are knocked down,
airdrop is now on everything all that, I bet a bunch of people would
still keep buying iPhones. Apple's probablyworried. They think they're going to lose
their competitive advantage. I actually don'tthink it would they would lose that much.

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I think a lot of people keepbuying iPhones for not really any particular
reason other than it's just what they'recomfortable with, whereas Apple probably thinks,
oh no, they buy an iPhonefor the security and the simplicity of how
it works with only other Apple products. And I don't think everybody cares about
that, honestly. Telegram is hugeoutside the US, that's true. Yeah,

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the ben gate is going to bepretty bad on the new IPEd pro.
I think the main reason they're makingit so thin is because the new
Magic keyboard case that they have plannedto lunch alongside it is probably going to
be fairly thick and heavy heavier thanbefore. And they know most people are
going to be buying keyboard cases withtheir iPad. Most people are probably not
gonna be buying the iPad pro caselessand not buying any accessories for it.

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I know my password for my AppleID. I can assure you about fifty
percent of iPhone owners don't. Theydefinitely don't have it memorized. But yeah,
I agreed, Dylan. It helpswhen people are able to just hold
their iPhone next to another older iPhoneand just sync everything over really quick.
Thank you Darson for a subscribing toTELOSU Tech Plus. Really appreciate your guys

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support. I don't like the samesung menu. Funny that I actually like
the LG user interface, but theydon't make phones anymore, isn't it funny?
How Like usually the coolest companies dieout? Apple let me switch my
default video chap app from FaceTime toGoogle Duo, and I've been able to
video chat people from iPhone and Androidvery easy. Why can't you do the
same with texting? I don't know. I wish you could. It's not

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up to me, but sounds likethe EU might make them. I'm thinking
about buying the new iPad for streaminggames all in one. I have a
monitor. Could this work? Thatcould work with any iPad? Probably.
I don't know why you think youneed the new iPad. I would streaming
game streaming, I mean cloud gaming. I guess they're opening that up now.

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They're letting emulators and cloud gaming onthe app store. Is that here
in the US too? I don'tknow. I'm not a gamer. I
haven't been following it very closely.Buy your mom and iPhone. That's right.
Given the fact that it's funny Randycalled me earlier, I wonder if
that was a oh. He says, I didn't know you were streaming.
You never texted me, So Iassume there he is. I assume that

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was either accidental. It sounds likeit wasn't accidental. He just wanted to
catch up. But you should haveknown. You should have known, man,
I'm live, But yeah, whyit be surprise? The EV channel
is called Telosive EV. What acreative title, What a unique name.
Actually, I kind of wish I'dchose a more creative name. Now.

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I just feel like the more importantthing with my branding is just consistency.
It's like it's been taylos who fora long time. I should probably just
keep it as that, but inhindsight I would have picked a different name.
It's too late to change now.It's like Apple can't change their name
even though they don't sell apples.Okay, I limit the texting apps to

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only being messaging apps, so youcan't connect your cell phone number to other
texting apps except for the I messageapp. Is that right? Then?
How come Messenger asks me to asksme to sync with my phone number every
time I open Messenger. It's likeadd your phone number to Messenger? What
is that all about? What isthat he needs that drew guidance? Okay,

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maybe I should wrap up the livestream here. I want to talk
to Randy. I haven't heard fromhim in a while. Quick recap on
what you talked about today only justjoined. The main reason I think people
are not too excited, slashed preemptivelydisappointed about the iPad event is because it's
probably going to be all about hardware, and no one cares about how good

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the iPad hardware gets anymore, becausepeople just want the software to get better.
And I think that's the identity crisis, is that you can't make the
iPad software better without turning it intosomething that it's not or should I answer
the call on the stream? Randy? You tell me? Should Randy join

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us? Maybe he should call uson discord and we'll talk. Having been
an iPad pro user for two yearsnow, I realized they kind of suck
at everything that's not illustration slash streaming, which is amazing. Yeah. I
think that's the other problem is thatif the software doesn't change much, it's

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very difficult for people to justify upgradingtheir iPads, right, so people just
hold on to their iPads for longer. Like my wife still has a twenty
seventeen iPad Pro and has no intention, I think, on ever upgrading it.
Honestly, she'll probably use it until. She mainly uses it as a
book. She likes to read bookson it. She doesn't really use it

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for media consumption. It's a bookmedia. I guess a book is good.
You know. She doesn't use itfor movies and TV shows. She
doesn't scroll social media on there.But she just likes having a She basically
treats it like a kindle, andalso she likes having an air drop connected.
It's my old iPad Pro. It'sI still call it hers because she

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actually bought it from me before wewere married, so you know, once
we got married, and you know, we're all living together. Now,
what's mine is yours. We allshare stuff, but I don't touch it.
I don't use it. It haslightning, so I'm allergic to it.
But she bought it before we weremarried, and it has five hundred

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and twelve gigs of storage, andshe likes having a big tablet to store
all of her pictures and videos onif her phone ever gets fulled up.
Normally I would say absolutely, butthis is a behind the scenes question in
need guidance. Next time we'll doit onstream. It'll make sense, Okay,
Okay, Well I've been live fora while, so we might have
to wrap it up here because Imiss Randy and I haven't talked to him

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for a while. I want totalk Hi, sore. Applelitally allows you
to communicate with other people on FacebookMessenger. Using Facebook Messenger, they limit
the cell carriers from you as ageneral texting app. Interesting. Even if
they let me, I don't thinkI would want my phone number in there.

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I want a twelve point nine inchI've been pro but I don't want
to pay for another magic keyboard.Again here here, I'm totally with you,
except for the part about wanting atwelve point nine inch Why do you
need a You could technically use yourcell phone numbers so you can use a
cell signal instead of Wi Fi,but it won't act as an actual texting
app. Sounds awfully specific because youcan still text through it, So I'm

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a little confused. But anyway,I appreciate the super chats and the channel
members. Thank you all for tuningin. Yeah, I agree with freakuaka.
iPads are just bigger phones. Ialready have an iPhone Pro Max and
Amax, so why do I needan iPad? I don't even have a
Pro Max. I just wanted amini iPhone. I fell in love with
the mini iPhone size and I couldn'tget a smaller USBC iPhone, so I

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got the fifteen Pro. Six pointone inches is plenty big for me,
and I watch videos and I makeall my video thumbnails on my phone.
It's a great, great hardware.I honestly want to see how long I
can get it to last me,but I always jinx myself. I feel
like whenever I commit to I wantto keep this for a long time.

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But hey, I'm coming up onthree years with my MacBook. If the
software gets better, I want anew iPad Mini. Randy's stealing me.
Officially, guys, it's over.It's all his fault. No, actually
it's lunchtime. I got to eatsomething. Anyway, we've been live for
a while. Thank you trans Magnifyfor saying great to hear your thoughts.

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That means a lot to me.It means, you know, it's so
humbling and so nice of you guys, when you know you're supporting directly or
you're just watching with your time.But it also means so much to me
that there's people that are just likeI want to hear what you have to
say. That's oh seriously. Thankyou guys for keeping me company, making
this a dream job. And Ihave another video for you in the works

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that talks a lot more about Meta. It's not about tablets, but we're
going to be talking about how Metais to clearing all out war on Apple
when it comes to the mixed realityslash, spatial computing space, whatever you
want to call it. Always funto hear from you, guys, and
look forward to seeing how these newiPads are going to disappoint us all over

(01:19:15):
again. This is the most disappointingiPad we've ever made. I come to
you because you usually have all theanswers. I feel like that's never true,
but thank you, take care all. Bye bye, have a good one.