Twas The Night Before Vision Pro...

Tailosive Tech Streamed: February 1st, 2024

Episode Transcript

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Hey, ladies and gentlemen, Welcomeback to Tayloris of Tech Live on YouTube.
It is the night before Vision Pro. We are now sub twenty four
hours. What does the website currentlysay that will make it easier for me
to keep track? We can lookat it together. Oh, look at
that. We're nearing in on twelvehours, so this is based on Eastern

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time. Then sorry, I'm definitelynot going to be anywhere close to the
first person they get Apple Vision Pro. Clearly all the YouTubers got it before
me because they're on Timmy's nice list. But this is also another wave of
interesting impressions because now you know tomorrowwe're going to get a lot of Vision
Pro reactions and impressions from people thatare not under any kind of embargo in

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or contract or worried that they're goingto be removed from Apple's nice lists.
So all bets are off. Youknow, you can say whatever you want,
you can do whatever you want withthe product. You can destroy it,
you can throw it, you cando illegal things with it, which
you should not do. I'm notadvising you to do that, but you
could technically, and Apple cannot stopyou. They cannot tarnish your brand.

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They cannot, you know, kickyou out of some program or anything.
Oh hey, Randy, long timeno see. I know a lot of
people have been asking about the podcastwhen it's coming back. Trust me,
I'm very excited for it to comeback. But it's just been a crazy
week for everybody. Randy's busy rightnow. I'm busy right now. I
barely had time to do this livestream today and I'm gonna see Mike soon,

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so you know, there's plans goingon in the background. But yes,
eventually we'll be back, hopefully nextweek. That's that's my internal goal.
But I'm not going to promise anythingbecause I know everybody's in the middle
of stuff. But yeah, Ihave some pre asked questions that we'll dive
into, and I have some ofmy own thoughts because we've I've tried my

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best not to talk too much aboutApple Vision Pro for the past week,
just because we know there's been allkinds of reviewers already do videos on it.
So I was like, there's nopoint in me doing Vision Pro content
when everybody else has Vision Pro.So I kind of intentionally did non Vision
Pro topics this week with what wasthe last one Oh yeah, how Apple's

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handling the European Union. That typeof thing will podcast suit probably. I
know we have so much to talkabout, way more than a typical Tayless
of Tech podcast episode. And Iknow that Randy's getting a vision pro so
and Mike's gonna get a Mike willprobably try out my vision pro so.
We're all gonna have thoughts that weall get together and share together. But

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I'm also just as curious about yourguys's opinion. I've gathered a little bit
from comments and tweets and discord hereand there. A lot of people seem
somewhat disappointed by the YouTuber's reviews,and some people seem even more hyped than
before. I've seen some people reallyexcited to see where it's going. So
I also want to hear a lotfrom you guys in the chat. I

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would love to gauge your guys' opinions, even if you don't think I'm necessarily
going to read your message. I'lltry my best to keep up with the
chat. But Tim Cook this morningfinally posted imagery of him actually wearing it,
and Vanity Fair did this. I'musually not a big fan of most
articles. Sorry, journalists out there. I read a lot of different websites.

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I'm not going to single out anybodywhen I'm saying bad things about journalism,
but most news articles are kind ofrepetitive. It's funny me saying that
my videos are extremely repetitive, soguilty as charged. However, a lot
of them are just kind of repeatinginformation over and over again. But Vanity
Fair got this exclusive interview with TimCook where they talked about vision pro,

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and my god, may I justsay it was the most enriching, engaging
and captivating news article I have readpossibly in my life. I'm not kidding
about that, but just reading abouteverybody's perspective in the first time Tim tried

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on an early prototype, which theysaid was close to eight years ago or
something like that, and talking abouthow Tim uses it and how some people
are amazed by it and scared ofit and skeptical of it and excited for
it all at once. If youwere not hyped about Apple vision Pro,
I highly recommend you read that articleby Vanity Fair because it just, oh

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my god. I couldn't stop readingit. And normally I'm more of a
skimmer when it comes to news pieces, it's like, Okay, I get
that part, Okay, I knowwhere this is going. But that article
was just like every sentence I wasjust like, oh my god, this
thing's blowing my mind. Maybe it'sover hyping it in my head, but
I don't know. I shouldn't haveto wait too much longer to find out.
Zach Hotchkiss he has an interesting storyhere. He said, I started

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door dashing right after it was announcedto get the funds for it, as
I couldn't justify it with my normalincome. Now I can say that I
bought it solely with money made fromdelivering food. Wow. Impressive, that's
great, Zach. I mean,hats off to you for making sure that
you could afford it. But Iwould also encourage you. You know,
even if you decide you don't likeApple Vision Pro that much and you don't

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think you're going to use it allthat much, if you just keep door
dashing and invest the money you makefrom that, all kinds of financial opportunities
will probably open up for you.Nico says, when would be the next
Apple event? Then would the nextApple Vision Pro update would be also released?
As far as Vision OS updates go, I don't think they're based around

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necessarily keynotes other than dub dub.But yeah, late March probably we should
get a spring event with like fournew iPads and some new Max James says,
are you still reading the article?I finished it? No. Where
do you think the balance between ARand VR will be? Ooh, very
interesting question from Alex Simmons. Thankyou for asking that, High Moon River

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and Joey Colgan. I see everybodyin there. I'm trying my best to
keep up with everybody. Randy says, I've enjoyed your non headsn content this
week. Thank you. I'm tryingmy best to try to, you know,
mix things up and not post theexact same thing as everybody else,
but sometimes you can't help it witha brand new product category coming out.
Okay, where the balance is?I tend to find myself a little bit

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more what's the term dystopian than others? I've seen a lot of people suggest
that, you know, I thinkit's even a universally agreed upon opinion for
most people out there that think,Okay, vision os is cool and all
that, but vision pro is justway too expensive to go mainstream. I

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agree with that, but most peoplekeep coming to this conclusion that we all
know the end goal is glasses,right, we all know eventually where are
my classes? I just have thisstupid prop I keep wearing good more.
Where are those things? Where didI? Did I lose them? Anyway?

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I used to have a pair ofyou know, sunglasses for Frankie.
Oh, here they are, Igot them. I's got too much drawers
in here. The concept of thefuture is obviously getting a pair of glasses
like this that's capable of running visionOS and it has great battery life,
and it's fashionable, and it's superlight weight, and you can just put
this on and do everything you cancurrently do with vision OS and vision Pro,

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just with something lightweight in thin.And that's where most people think it's
headed. I personally disagree a littlebit. Not a little bit, I
guess a lot. I think therewill always be some kind of inherent limitation
to transparent glass or transparent displays whenyou're trying to put high refresh rate,

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high pixel density screens that you canalso see through, just like a pair
of sunglasses. I think there's alwaysgoing to be this fundamental limitation with that.
I've seen so many other companies tryto do it, and there's just
battery life concerns. And there's alsothe issue of when you try to make
glasses like this, you still needreally good hand tracking. If you want

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visionos to work, you need lightar and of course you want spatial video
capture and support. So how youbake in all these cameras into a thin
and lightweight design. Most people thinkglasses is where it's headed, and I
disagree. Not a lot of peopleagree with me, which is okay,
because I'm wrong all the time.But I actually think it's just going to

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be more and more refinement on theski goggles concept. In the same regard
that some people thought the Apple Watchwould eventually replace the iPhone, they were
like, Okay, the first generationapple Watch is very iPhone dependent, but
over time it'll get more and moreindependent. And then eventually the Apple Watch
will get a camera, and it'llhave cellular and it'll have all these things

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that allow it to basically replace youriPhone. And that didn't really happen.
Maybe for some people they're trying reallyreally hard to turn it into an iPhone,
but it didn't really, it didn'treally ever get there. The Apple
Watch launched as an iPhone accessory,and I would argue still even today,
it's an iPhone accessory, and Ithink there's just inherently always going to be

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some battery life issues, some transparentdisplay issues, as well as you need
a space to house all of theseadvanced cameras for the hand tracking and the
eye tracking. You know, youhave infrared cameras pointed towards you and all
that, all these crazy things thatI think are always going to be more
practical and more cost effective to doon I can't find anything these days on

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a pair of ski goggles, andI know that the ski goggles right now
are pretty bulky and pretty heavy,and that's a big concern, is the
comfort and the weight and stuff.But I think it could get a lot
more refined and a lot more comfortableand a lot more fashionable. I think
they'll drop the eyesight display eventually onall models. I don't think it'll last.

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I think that's probably the most gimmickypart about it. But maybe I'm
wrong. And the reason I usethat word dystopian to describe a future in
which the goals are still the mainstreamsolution is because it means throughout much of
the day we may not be lookingat the world with our actual eyes.
We're looking at a recreation of theworld with micro oled panels. That's kind

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of freaky to imagine. But Ido think, Oh my god, what
did you guys do while I waswearing this w decker? What the heck?
Oh my god, you guys arebeing far too kind. Okay,
I got to keep up now,that's great. Did you mean to do
that? This is your third superchat on a live stream and it's fifty
bucks cheese decker. Calm down,keep your money. You all should be

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saving your money for Vision Pro.Okay, it's expensive invest that money.
Richard Prez says, here's my lasttwo bucks after buying Vision Pro. Great,
everybody's emptying out their bank accounts.That's lovely, he says. I
appreciate your great content, and Ialso appreciate how you encourage responsible thinking about
finances with your audience. You sayas you make irresponsible decisions. Hope you

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enjoy your Vision Pro. I pickup mine tomorrow. Cheers. Wow,
you guys are far too he says. He meant to do that. Okay,
shsh wow, you guys are fartoo kind. Thank you, But
I do think I could be wayoff on that, but I think that
the future is going to involve alot of eyes looking at screens that are
stitching together reality. I don't thinkit's all going to end with the glasses

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or the contact lenses. That's evenmore complicated. What do I think of
using eye tracking as an input methodfor Max? I haven't tried it yet,
so I don't have super formulated opinionson it quite yet, but I
do think there's some getting used to. I do think there will be a
learning curve. That's a common criticism. I've seen a vision o ass across

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all the different YouTubers who have triedit out so far. They've all said,
you don't realize how often you controlsomething without looking at it until you
use vision os, because then youstart realizing there's a bunch of times where
you're interacting with an app, oryou're using an app and you didn't mean
to because you were eyes were pointedsomewhere else. And I don't think I

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don't think that will come supernaturally rightaway. Maybe once you use it for
a few hours or a few weeks, it starts to become more intuitive and
more natural. I'm sure Apple's beentesting this stuff for years. From what
I've heard, it sounds like they'vebeen messing around with this for a long
long time. But I wonder ifthat might be a barrier for some people,

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is that there's just like, Yeah, it's annoying that I have to
look at every app that I wantto control, and that's something with our
max we kind of get used to, is controlling things that we're not looking
at and our iPhones. Honestly,jeez, I'm sorry, I'm perplexed by
you guys' super chest. That wascrazy. Even it's down to glasses,
I think there will still be acable to a box in your pocket.

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Makes way more sense to me forboth battery and process or pretty similar to
wired headphones. Yeah, I've seensome mixed reality glasses out there that actually
have a cable that go down toa battery pack that's more of like a
necklace, like the Viitcher glasses andthe x Real glasses do that, and
I was like, yeah, there'sprobably some more creative ways to store battery,
But the concept of being able tostore meaningful battery life into a pair

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of lightweight glasses, I just don'tsee it happening. I do think there
will be a cable going down toeither your neck or your pocket, or
maybe your iPhone is doing all theheavy lifting and you just have a couple
displays up here showcasing everything. Butstill, I think that's gonna drain your
iPhone battery pretty fast. Sorry.I see a lot of people asking if

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there's gonna be a live stream tomorrow. The problem is internet in bandwidth,
and the bigger reason the short answeris no, I don't think I'm going
to be able to live stream theunboxing experience because I do plan on unboxing
the headset shortly after picking it upfrom the Apple Store because I'm already going

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to be late. You know,people on the East Coast are going to
be unboxing these things three hours aheadof me, so on a busy day
like Vision Pro launch day, Ineed to be as quick as I can.
And the bigger issue with me livestreaming my unboxing and first reaction is
I can't show you what I'm doing. The Vision Pro is inherently a much

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more difficult product to show to theworld how it works, because I need
to figure out a way to eitherscreen record what's going on on vision Os
or cast it to my MacBook andthen live stream from that, and then
my MacBook of course, because Appledoesn't make cellular on MacBooks, is going
to be hotspotted off my phone.My phone is going to be also my
camera for recording the video. Asof course, I'm still going to be

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doing an edited launch Day experience videobecause most people don't have time to watch
two hour live streams, but theycan typically find the time for a ten
to fifteen minute YouTube video. Soas far as revenue for the channel goes,
and for accessibility for most of myaudience, I do have to prioritize
the edited launch day video. Andeven if I did live stream it,

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most of you probably couldn't see whatI was doing through most of it anyway,
So because it's a very visual productthat only I can see a lot
of what it's doing, I thinkit needs to be more edited. I
will eventually do a live stream whenI'm wearing it, and I'll show you
what I'm doing. And I'll onceI figure out the bells and whistles on
how to actually cast the signal ofvision OS onto the Mac and then live

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stream that so you guys can seewhat I'm looking at, I'll try my
best to come up with some livedemos for you all, But I don't
think it's going to happen on launchbecause I'm not going to be at home.
I'm not going to have access todecent Wi Fi. Even at home,
I don't have access to decently Idon't think I'm going to have a
live stream talking about it tomorrow.That's part of the reason I wanted to
do this tonight to kind of capturemy last hype. But I actually have

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a bunch of stuff going on thisweekend outside of Vision Pro launch. Vision
Pro launch is just one thing,and then we've got family stuff going on
that I have to you know,family comes first as excited as I am
for tech. So there will belive streams eventually, but it probably I'm
not even gonna say probably, therewill not be any live streams tomorrow.

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I apologize. Ten Dollars says thenext Apple event will have a three sixty
view, specifically for Vision Pro.Oh, you can watch the Apple event
in space. That would be kindof interesting. I didn't think about that.
Yeah, buyer's remorse will be real, and so will the return policy.
Hans says they won't drop the eyesightdisplay. The whole point of it
is so people on the outside don'tfeel ignored. You're so wrong, that's

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funny, because you don't have aprofile picture. I have no idea what
you look like, and yet Istill can see your message and respond to
it. The people on the outsidecan still feel just as ignored. By
the way, and from what mostof the media has shown us, the
eyesight display is not that good.You can barely see the eyes anyway,
so it already doesn't really serve apurpose. You can talk to people wearing

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a headset for the same reason AirPodsmax don't show my ears on the outside.
You can talk to someone while you'rewearing AirPods. You just have to
turn on transparency mode. They don'tnecessarily know that you have transparency mode on.
Or often the same way when Iput on sunglasses, you can't see
my eyes. You don't know ifI'm looking at the camera, if I'm
looking that way or that way.But just from my head movement and what

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I say in social cues, youcan tell whether or not I'm paying attention
to you. Yeah, iesight isthe new touch bar. That's a good
way of describing it. It's kindof cool. I think the touch bar
was way cooler than the Eyesight display. Iceit display looks way cooler. I
think in media images it looks reallycool on the website, but any real

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world images or videos I've seen ofthe eyesight is not that impressive. I
feel very confident. I could beoff. You're right, I've been wrong
before, but personally, I feelvery confident that they will scrap the eyes
side display, at least on thecheaper one. I feel very confident the
eventual Apple Vision Error or Apple Visionse whatever they call it, will not

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have the ice side display. Ifeel somewhat confident that they'll drop it on
Apple Vision Pro eventually once they realizethey just want to get the battery life
improved and the costs down. They'llprobably save a bunch of money just by
dropping that display. I sight thedisplay should be replaced with a way to
show what you're doing, like yousaid in your video, but you can't
show a picture to another person,and there's not going to be a good

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way to show it there. Ijust don't look at the outside of the
display as you know, good realestate for any kind of information, because
you're covering someone's face and Apple triedtheir best to replace your face with that
lenticular display, and it just doesn'twork all that well. Everybody who's tried
it out is basically an agreement onthat. They're kind of like, eh,

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it's not really working. I mean, if I squint and dim the
lights really low, maybe I cansee your eyes. But it still looks
weird. It still looks janky andputs your eyes in the wrong place.
It doesn't achieve the intended purpose.I can get behind the purpose of the
eyeside display, but the execution iswhere it falls apart. In my opinion.
One thing that seems worse than Iexpected. It's confusing that Apple seemingly

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cheaped out on that one aspect thatwas higher res and bright. I think
it would be better. I don'tthink they cheaped out on it. I
just think it's a fundamentally flawed idea. There's not a great way to put
someone's eyes on the outside of adisplay, especially when it's pushed out,
you know, this far out fromyour face. You have to make it

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this weird lenticular design in order togive a depth or you know, if
it doesn't change based on the angle, then it's going to feel weird,
because then the eyes would always lookthe same no matter what angle you were
looking at. That wouldn't work either, So they had to make it lenticular,
and they had to render different perspectivesno matter which way you look at
it. And it's just when youexpect the display to do all those crazy

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things, it gets really dim andit can't be that high resolution. It
just doesn't work. So I don'tthink it's as big a deal as Apple
thinks it is. They're like,it's important for you to have the eyes.
On the other it's like, ah, the people, they can't really
see your eyes. The eyesight displaydoesn't really show an accurate look of your
eyes anyway. I hope you canturn it off, but I haven't seen

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evidence from that. Let's see howmuch cheaper would this version of vision pro
have been if they decided not todo an external display and all the tech
hardware associated with it. I don'tthink substantially cheaper personally. Everything I've read
about the cost of materials for AppleVision Pro, most of it comes down

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to the micro o lead panels.I think that's what I want to say.
Someone said something like two thousand ortwenty five hundred. It was something
crazy. It was like over twothousand dollars of the product is purely just
going to those two screens because they'venever really been manufactured before, and they're
crazy high pixel density and their crazyhigh brightness and they have to go up

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to one hundred hertz and it's afour K resolution on the size of a
postage stamp. And those displays arejust state of the art. It's kind
of mind boggling that they found away to mass produce them. Everything else
is kind of off the shelf thingsApple's done before. They've mass produced light
ar, they've mass produced cameras,they've done aluminum enclosures and carbon fiber and

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speakers and all that. That's allbeen done before. But those micro lead
panels are really nuts. The lenticulardisplay, I mean, it's unique and
it's kind of new, but Idon't think it's a crazy state of the
art, super expensive technology. It'sprobably innovative. It's like unlike any display
we've ever seen before. Make itgood. You know, if everybody's reaction

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to it is like, eh,then I say just scrap it. My
guess is that it would save likefive hundred bucks which yeah, wouldn't really
change much for people. Okay,it's a three thousand dollars head set instead
of a thirty five hundred dollars headset. Yeah, it's kind of the
same ballpark. But there's a bunchof things when they eventually do the cheaper
Apple Vision headset that they'll probably scrapout on the iesight display. I think

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it will be one of those thingsfirst to go, but there's a bunch
of other stuff they'll probably have totake out along with it that helps it
get the price lower. I'm curiousif they'd be willing to compromise on the
resolution at all on the cheaper headset, but I feel like that ties in
with the immersion a lot, SoI would scrap things more like the audio

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pods and just say rely on AirPods. Take out the polishing cloth, of
course, and don't make it outof aluminium glass. Make it more out
of air pods, plastic, youknow what, or Apple pencil plastic,
whatever it is, you know,something that's a little bit lighter tone.
But yeah, I'm picking up VisionPro tomorrow. Do I think the Vision

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Pro will be released in other countries? Asks Tech where minchi Quel claims before
June it'll launch in other countries.I don't think he said which ones,
but apparently it's not gonna be thatlong of a wait. We'll find out.
Apple is really trying hard to notmake Vision Pro a VR product,
probably because it's a pretty dystopian.But no matter how much they market it

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as spatial computing or mixed reality,it's still a VR headset. Yeah,
I agree with you, Marnjel.I mean it's a I think I used
to not understand the terminology of mixedreality when I was younger. There's probably
a bunch of videos of me saying, what is mixed reality? It's either
VR or AR. If you hadto pick AR or VR. I guess
this is technically VR because you're lookingat a display, You're not looking through

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it. Literally virtually, you arelooking through it though. That's kind of
the weird thing. That's why Iunderstand the term of mixed reality now,
because I'm like, yeah, Imean, it does feel augmented because you
can see your surroundings, you cansee your hands. The latency is really
really good. I've seen people playingping pong with it and being able to

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toss things and catch things. Eventhough their eyes aren't actually looking at the
real world. Those cameras stitch togetherreality so well that it feels like you're
looking through it, but technically ornot. So it feels wrong in my
opinion to call it a VR headsetbecause of how intentional it is about being
immersive and being connected to your surroundings. But yeah, I guess it technically

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is remove the fan at a nineteenchip. Yeah. It would also be
great if there was a way topower it just through your mech or your
iPhone instead of having to carry arounda big battery. Any apps you're excited
for or hope eventually get added,Oh god, I really hope we get
YouTube. That would be great.I hate to say this. A lot

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of you guys might be sad tohear this, but not having a YouTube
app might be kind of a dealbreaker for me. I know a lot
of people are like, what really, YouTube do You're gonna not keep it
over that? But seriously, Like, one of the main things I was
captivated with Vision pro about was theconcept of I've I've traveled internationally and I'll

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probably travel internationally again this year.Who knows. I've got multiple family members
overseas, so there's a lot oflong flights I've done, and right before
I did my last overseas trip,it was right after Vision Pro was unveiled
and announced last June, and thatwhole flight, you know, I did
some fifteen hour flights and you know, some really really long ones, and

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I kept thinking, how much bettercould this experience be if I could just
you know, put a mask onand completely conceal myself and just watch YouTube
videos on a big screen. Iusually when i'm flying, you know,
in my phone's on airplane mode.I typically don't watch movies or TV shows.
To be honest. If I wantto watch a movie or TV show,
I'm going to watch it with mywife anyway, So we would watch

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it on my laptop or my phoneand share the AirPods. But I can't
really, we can't both watch amovie together if I'm wearing the headset.
But I do like to watch YouTubevideos because I watch a lot of techi,
you know, I watch mostly evstuff. There's a bunch of YouTube
channels I watch that my wife isnot that interested in because it's more nerdy
and geeky stuff. So I keptthinking the whole time imagine if I could

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watch my YouTube videos with vision Proon and on those flights. I need
to be able to download YouTube videos, which is a YouTube app feature when
you pay for YouTube Premium, whichI do, and the fact that YouTube
has decided not to have their appis kind of making me like, oh
man, so I can't. Ican't do that main thing that I use
my phone for when I'm flying.The only thing I can watch with vision

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Pro on flights is going to beDisney Plus Content or Max Content, I
guess because they have an app,and maybe they let you download stuff I
don't even know. But I'm notas into those services as much as I
am YouTube. So if there's oneapp on the top of my list,
it's definitely YouTube. But no,the use case, the feature I'm most

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excited for isn't really an app.But I thought Marquez hit the I was
gonna say, hit the nail onthe head, hit the head on the
nail. Which is it? Idon't know. Marquez made an excellent point
in his most recent video on visionPro, which is that the ecosystem is

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going to be a far better sellingpoint of vision Pro than probably any killer
apps, which I totally agree withbecause he said he's really really loved of
being able to use his Vision Proas a external monitor with his MacBook.
It's something I'm really interested in andmight be a make or break moment for

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me with Vision Pro, just becauseI've been kind of mildly in the market
for an external monitor for a longtime. But the main reason I haven't
bought one is I can't really findone I like that much. I mean,
I like the Pro display in thestudio display, but they're both sixty
hertz and my MacBook is one hundredand twenty hertz, and I'm used to
the great dynamic range on my MacBookwith Mini Led. And the bigger problem

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with trying to justify a big monitorpurchase for me is I go on trips
a lot. You know, lastyear, we were not at home for
I think we did the math.It was like over a quarter of the
year. It was like more thanthree months I was not even at home.
So that means that for a bigchunk of the year, I'm not
even going to get to use theexternal monitor I buy anyway, and I

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don't want to pack around a bigexternal monitor. But the concept of having
a big external monitor. I couldpack around with me everywhere I go,
and it can be infinitely sizable.It can go up to one hundred hertz
refresh rate. It sinks perfectly withthe MacBook, and it's O LED,
so the dynamic range should be reallygood and I can take it with me.
I can use it in public places. I know this isn't super relatable,

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but it was kind of relatable tome. When Marquez in his video
was like, it's kind of awkwardif you're editing videos of yourself in public
places like at an airport, andpeople see that you were in the video.
It's it can be a little youknow, awkward and a little bit
like of a privacy concern that peoplecan see you editing yourself in final cut

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on a laptop. So he waslike, what with vision Pro, I
just put that on. Now Ican edit my videos and my MacBook display
goes dark and no one can seewhat I'm working on. And I was
kind of like, yeah, I'vebeen in that, Like last year.
I recalled doing that. I wasediting videos that I recorded of myself in
an airport and on a plane,and it was kind of weird to have

(29:55):
people that are just right there,like, what is this guy doing?
Are you a YouTuber? You know? You know it draws a little more
attention to yourself, but I atthe same time Devil's advocate. Apple Vision
Pro probably also draws even more attention. Maybe people don't think you're a YouTube
or they just think you're insane.I'm okay with that. People can think
I'm insane. You know, ifyou're just in an airport on a laptop

(30:19):
using Vision Pro and looking at nothing, people are probably still going to look
at you and think you're weird.Do people really look at your face and
then see you editing? I hadmoments, I have to say. It
came up a couple times where peopleare sitting next to you and they're kind
of I don't know, you geta little you get some looks I never
got. Someone came up and talkedto me. But people look at you,

(30:41):
and I guess if I wear AppleVision Pro, I can't see them
looking at me, right, Sowin win. I don't know how people
keep saying can't you share content fromyour iPhone too? Vision Pro? I
don't know. I have not seenanyone demo that I hope you can,
but I haven't seen that Juno forYouTube is apparently available on vision mess now
and you canload content in the browsernow too. I think, okay,

(31:02):
maybe maybe there's a workaround. StillI'm confused, and I think you can
download stuff on desktop. It's kindof a decent idea, but I don't
like the idea of it, maybeaffecting AD revenue. Usually YouTube doesn't like
it when you use third party clientsand stuff like that. So hopefully there's
an app that works, but Igotta play around with it. I don't

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know. Do I think we cantake spatial video that is like screen recording,
but in three D? I don'tthink so. Everything I've seen there
is a screen recorder built in,so I stand corrected. I saw in
Marquez's video where he opens control centerthere's like a screen record function. However,
I have seen lots of people saythat the screen recordings of vision os

(31:45):
don't do it justice. Like it'sthe resolutions not as good, the frame
rate's not as good. You don'tget a feel for the tracking, the
eye tracking, the head tracking.And Marquez kept bringing up how well tiles
and apps and windows are like fixedin place in your augmented you know,

(32:05):
in your spatial computing setup, andhe said, like all of that is
lost when you're watching a two DYouTube video. So I don't think they've
figured out a way to screen recordspatially yet. Although that makes a lot
of sense. That sounds really cool. I do think we'll get there eventually.
Good idea. I need to addthat to my list. Both of
you guys brought up good ideas watchingApple events. I don't know, maybe

(32:27):
that wouldn't be as good. Actually, you're like sitting in the back of
the audience with Vision Pro. Idid not order the travel case. Now,
if there's any hope for me keepingVision Pro, which there's not a
lot, to be honest with you, but if there's any hope for me
keeping Vision Pro, it's definitely goingto be by getting the cheapest possible one.
So I ordered the base model.I did not get any accessories.

(32:50):
I got the minimum storage option.There's not a great chance of me keeping
it. But if I do endup falling in love with it and keeping
it, the best way I'm goingto be able to justify it is that
I got the cheapest possible one.So I'm definitely not getting the travel case.
I'm not against getting a travel case. I just I think that one's
two hundred bucks. That's way tooexpensive. I'm not even convinced I need
to get a travel case for it. It already comes in the box with

(33:12):
this little cover for the outside glass. And if I was in an airport,
you know, getting up and gettingin line and then sitting down again,
I would I think I would justkind of leave it around my neck,
kind of like a pair of headphones. I'd have a good example of
headphones. Yeah, but not really, but I could put this on.
I would kind of leave it downlike this. If I was at an

(33:34):
airport, I don't think I wouldthrow it in my backpack. I would
just, you know, when I'mwaiting for my flight, i'd wear it
like this and ioh, it's sofuturistic. Everyone's looking at me, what's
wrong with that idiot? And thenokay, your flight is leaving. Then
I pull it down like this,pull out my phone with the QR code
scan to get on the plane.And then once I get through all that,

(33:54):
i'd put it back on. Ormaybe I wouldn't take it off.
There's a solution. I might getsome judgy looks, But can you airplay
from the headset to a TV.I believe there is some airplay functionality.
Yes, I think there is.I've only seen people airplay it to a

(34:15):
Mac so far, but that's justthrough airplay, that's not through some special
proprietory thing. So I just wantto see the setup process. Yeah,
I want to show it to you, don't get me wrong. But no
one can really show it to youbecause in order to get to the point
where you can airplay or screen record, you have to finish the setup process.
I watched a bunch of vision Proon boxing. I watched I just

(34:37):
nemed the video. I watched theVerges video. There's a couple others I'm
blanket on the name of. Ofcourse, Marque Marquez is the best tech
you tour in my opinion. Don'tfight me on that. But I watched
a lot of people review vision Proand they all talk about what they can
see when they're setting it up,but you can't. You know, when

(34:58):
it first boots up and you firstact made it for the first time,
it has to calibrate, you know, kind of like an Apple Watch or
an iPhone. It's kind of whyit's difficult to screen record the initial iPhone
setup process, because before it's setup, you can't access control center and
you can't hit screen record. Itwants you to sign in and do all
this stuff. Putting your QR codeon the eyesight display would be nice.
Oh yeah, a good picture ofthat. Now we're in line at the

(35:21):
airport, we're get ready to boardthe flight. They're like, please scan
your boarding pass here, and youhave to go. Everybody's gonna get a
real kick out of that. Honestly, it sounds really dumb and really embarrassing
and stupid, which is why Iwould do it. I would love to
try that just to gauge everybody's reaction, although I don't expect the public to

(35:42):
actually do that. The good newsis I've heard a lot of people say
that the pass through on Vision Prois so good that you can just pick
your phone out of your pocket andkeep using it pretty much without issue.
Even though you're looking at a screenthat's feeding in a camera feed of your
phone, you're not actually looking atyour phone. People were like, this
is the first headset I've used wherethe pass through is so good that you

(36:04):
can keep the headset on and pickup your phone and write a text and
write notes and use it and thenput the phone back down, you know,
like they were saying, no otherheadset really has passed through that consistent.
Saw a post where the Mediquest twocarrying case perfectly fits the Vision Pro
more compact size too. There yougo. That was the other thing.
The travel case I saw for VisionPro did not look very small, which

(36:28):
to me kind of defeats the pointof a travel case. At least.
Me and my wife are very lighttravelers. You know, we fly with
a lot of budget airlines, youknow, judge away, that's fine,
but we find some really really gooddeals on flights. But usually the best
deals involve not having checked luggage orsometimes not even having a carry on.
You can have a personal item,and we you know, push the limits

(36:52):
of what a personal item is.But I saw that travel case and I
was like, no, no,I'm not fitting that in my backpack.
I would not. I think thebest way for me to bring that on
a trip would be to wear iteither over my eyes or down Here.
Did the reviews turn you off aboutthe Vision Pro? No? See,
I keep hearing that question. Peoplekeep saying that no, they didn't.
I saw some people bring up somecriticisms of vision Pro, but nothing about

(37:15):
the reviews weakened my hyper excitement,and if anything, they built it up
more. But I want to knowtell me what specifically, because I keep
hearing that question, but I can'tget any definitive answers on it. What
did you guys hear from the reviewersthat did get early access from watching all
those videos? I hope you watchthem. They're really insightful, They're really

(37:36):
cool. There's people that are saying, my disappointment is setting in for vision
Pro, or I'm not as excitedas I was. I want to hear
why, why are you not asexcited? Tell me tell me, please
fill me in on this. Let'ssee, can you download YouTube videos to
your Yeah? We creator of Apolloreddit app is making a YouTube client for

(37:59):
vision Pro launching day. Yeah.I really need to check that out.
Let's see, it'd be marked downonly one hundred and fifty bucks three hundred
and thirty five dollars now without iceight. It's not so much of a price
reason I think they should drop it. It's also a battery life reason.
I think they could save a lotof energy. And there's been a lot
of complaints about the weight. Alot of people saying that the vision Pro

(38:19):
headset is too heavy. So ifthey didn't have an entire display on the
front, and honestly, if theydidn't have all that glass, glass is
one of the heaviest parts. Aluminumis somewhat heavier than plastic, which some
people are critiquing it for, like, oh, Apple's the only one to
make an aluminum headset. That's waytoo heavy. Honestly, have you picked
up just raw aluminum if you've ever, like my friend took apart his five

(38:44):
k iMac. He took the glassoff, and he took some of the
turtles off. When you pick upjust the aluminum, aluminum is shockingly light.
I mean, it's not a superdurable material. But I get why
Apple makes a lot of things outof aluminum because it feels premium, but
it is very lightweight. Usually theweight you're feeling in most of your Apple
products is the glass, the batteriesall that, and there's no battery in

(39:07):
Vision Pro, so I think theglass is actually contributing more to the weight
than the aluminium is. And Ijust think it'd be far more comfortable if
there was no display components. Theyhad to accommodate for and there wasn't as
much glass on the outside, andit was just kind of flat AirPods plastic,
maybe in black, so the camerasblend in a little bit. Maybe

(39:27):
it would look more boring, butit might feel a lot better, which
is more important. Maybe on thefirst generation it makes more sense to be
prioritizing the look in the field,and then in future generations you focus more
on the weight and the affordability.Will I do a drop test, Absolutely
not. It doesn't seem to havea killer app in comparison to any other

(39:49):
VR headset. I would argue that'sa flawed approach to look at products at
because I also don't think that AppleWatch ever had a killer app. AirPods
don't have killer apps, either doesthe HomePod, but a lot of people
ended up buying that. I don'tthink all products need to have some kind
of killer app. Honestly, Idon't even think the iPhone really has that
many killer apps. I mean,it depends on what you use it for.

(40:13):
For some people, the killer appis I Message. For some people
the killer app is Twitter or youknow. I don't know. There's so
many people talk about that, likefor a product to succeed, it has
to have this, like one reallygood application that makes the whole product worth
it. And I'm like, doother products have that? Not? Really,
what's the killer app of the iPad? I bet you guys would come

(40:35):
up with fifty different answers. Sothe notes app or the photos app or
the mail app. Now, noone's going to say the mail app.
Let's be honest. Waiting for Appleto make carbon fiber products while keeping the
same price. I've heard there's alot of carbon fiber in Vision Pro.
Actually it's just not visible from theoutside. Am I keeping this or just
reviewing it? Who's to say?I don't do. I've tried to double

(40:58):
down on this, but I mightjust stop answer that question because I feel
like every time I answer it,no one listens. But I will not
decide on any product announced or notannounced. You could ask about the iPhone
sixteen. You could ask about theOled iPad. You could ask about the
Apple Watch ten. You could askabout Vision Pro. I will not decide

(41:19):
whether or not I'm keeping it untilI try it out and use it.
If I try it out, useit, fall in love with it,
decide you know what this is reallyuseful, I could really utilize this.
I may keep it if I decidethis isn't practical, this isn't useful,
or I run into some edge caseswhere I'm like, in these circumstances it
doesn't work, I'm not justifying thisexpense. Then I won't. Then I
won't keep it. But I'm notgoing to. It's impossible. I've never

(41:43):
even put the thing on, andyou're asking if it's worth it. It's
like, I don't know. We'regonna find out. We're going to try,
and I'm not going to have ananswer for you within, you know,
the first day of trying it.I need to use it for extended
periods of time before I reach adefinitive conclusion on it. That's what reviews
are. In my opinion. Isthis worth the money? It's very hard

(42:04):
to say that before you've owned itor even tried it. At least the
iPhone's killer app was the app store. That's okay, there you go.
Visions killer app is the vision osapp store, the calculator app, Yeah,
what's the metaquest killer app? Beatsaber? Yeah, it's probably Beatsaber.
Pretty sure. Hell will freeze overtwice before you buy and keep another iPad.

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That's very true, Dylan White.Thank you for saying that that's a
good point. Your solution for anexternal monitor may finally be answered, Drew.
I hope so. I mean tobe fair because I am pretty hyped
and I'm very excited to try itout. I can't wait to experience it
for the first time. I willadmit one part of the reviews that does
concern me that I didn't see otherpeople bring up from dub dub or anything

(42:50):
is the field of view. Idid see. I think it was the
Verge mentioned that it kind of makesyou feel like you're looking through a pair
of binoculars because there's this black borderthat goes around your peripheral vision. So
that kind of eats into the immersionof it, as in, like,
yeah, the pastor looks really good, but it still feels like you got
a pair of goggles on that couldif it's really uncomfortable and it doesn't really

(43:15):
feel that immersive because of this likeblack oval that I have to look into
at all times. That might makeme go, eh, yeah, maybe
this isn't worth it. I don'tknow. I really need to try it
and use it for a long time. I want to. I want to
wear it for like hours and hours. If it really makes me sore and
I can't wear it for an extentto time, yeah that's a deal breaker,
you know, It's not I don'tthink it's enough justification to just be

(43:38):
like it runs iPad apps. Youguys know how I feel about iPad,
So that's not a great justification.But I've also run into some situations lately
where I'm like, maybe if Iwas just relaxing and just casually a lot
of the time I'm using my phonethese days, if I'm just laying in
bed, or I'm laying on thecouch or just you know, relaxing,

(44:00):
maybe in those circumstances, i won'tmind the weight as much because I'll just
lead my head back and be lookingup at the ceiling. And I saw
Tim Cook talk about that in hisVanity Fair article today. He said,
like, I watched all of Tedlast so season three on my ceiling.
He just always laid back and watchedit upright, And I was like,
Okay, maybe that's a maybe that'sa really comfortable way to use it.

(44:22):
So at work, I'll tether itto my Mac and use it like a
big external monitor. Again, Ineed to try it to figure out how
immersive is that, How good isthe latency? Do I run into issues
when I'm doing that for extended periodsof time? Can I still feel for
the keyboard and trackpad and everything?Okay? Does it make my head sore?
That's a whole review process in itself. And then maybe when I'm done

(44:43):
with work and I'm done using itas an external monitor, then I'm going
to flop on my back and youknow, put a bunch of screens up
top, and I can watch videosand I can check the news or respond
to emails. But then the typingthing A lot of people have criticized too.
A lot of people have said,yeah, you kind of have to
with your pointers, or you haveto look at each key and tap your
fingers together. Not as fluent,not as easy as typing on the iPhone.

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I think that is an inherent,built in limitation of Vision OS.
I don't think that's something they cannecessarily get way better at with future updates.
It's like, sure, in thefuture, maybe you'll be able to
buy an Apple Vision headset that's onethousand dollars and way lighter and way thinner
and way more fashionable and all that. But how are you going to replace
the simplicity of an iPhone keyboard justbeing able to type really quick with the

(45:30):
swipe? Could they do that virtually? That's what I was petitioning for in
my vision OS video. I don'tknow. I hope so, but I
don't know. I think that's oneof the biggest form factor limitations of the
device is the typing experience, whichis kind of important. I type a
lot when I'm using my phone.I go on Twitter, i go on

(45:50):
Discord, I'm writing things. Ifit's much much faster to use the iPhone,
I'm probably gonna use the iPhone.Field of view on VR headsets will
be like bezels on smartphones. Bothlimit your viewing experience. Yeah, I
don't know if it'll be as easyto limit. You know, bezels were
relatively simple. We just manufactured displaysa little bit better to reduce the size

(46:14):
of the border. But how doyou get a display to wrap around your
vision when you have to have cushioningfor your face there, and you're still
looking at these two little lenses,you know, like the thumbnail for this,
the thumbnail for this live stream isa good example. You're looking through
these tiny little windows that are kindof eye shaped, but you're gonna have

(46:35):
to wrap around these displays a lotmore around your eyesight in order to get
rid of that field of view.I don't know if that's really possible,
to be honest, it might bepretty complicated. Wearing vision Pro for twenty
four hours challenge. Someone's probably gonnado that. Maybe I should do it.
How does the eye tracking deal withpeople like myself who have a stigmatism
where your one eye turns. Oh, thank you for bringing that up.

(46:59):
Actually, I know James s cwas asking about that. We have our
tayles of tech pro questions that werepre asked here. He says, has
anyone discussed how well vision pro workswith someone who has a lazy eye?
My left eye is not centered whilelooking with my right eye. It is
off at an angle to the outsidelooking left. The opposite happens if I
focus with my left eye. Atno point are both eyes looking forward like

(47:21):
normal. This is a really goodquestion, a really great concern that I
don't have an answer too, andI haven't seen anyone talk about yet.
My guess is there's probably going tobe a decent algorithm eventually that's able to
detect which I is steering? Isthat the right term, like which I
you're really looking at things with?But yeah, I do see that as
a major accessibility issue. It ifyour eyes aren't always, you know,

(47:45):
pointed at the same thing. SoI hope they address that. Usually Apple
likes to bake in lots of accessibilityfeatures, so I'm hoping they're thinking about
that. But yeah, that's it'sjust so early in the product's life that
I don't think it's been thought ofyet. And then Margell asked, the
similarities between vision os and iPads makeyou a bit nervous whether you're actually like

(48:07):
the os. Well, I'm mostlyjoking admittedly, but seriously, you have
any concerns about Vision pro and VisionWES after seeing initial reviews, So thanks
for asking, Margell. Yeah,the biggest concern I saw in the reviews
was mostly just about field of viewthe apps. Again, my biggest concern
is no YouTube app, just becauseI care about the downloaded feature. But

(48:28):
you guys are saying there's work around, so maybe I'm making that into a
bigger deal than it is. Butno, I'm not actually that concerned about
it being similar to the iPad,because I know it's such a different form
factor from the iPad. A lotof my criticisms with iPad os was had
to do with the form factor.It was like this thing. They're advertising

(48:51):
it all the time with you hookingit up to a keyboard in a trackpad,
the magic keyboard, and they're advertisingit doing all these productivity things,
and the screen is very similar tothe screen of my MacBook. So these
two products have way too much incommon for me to justify keeping both of
them. I can have an iPadwith a keyboard in a trackpad in a
MacBook with a keyboard in a trackpad, but the iPad has a touchscreen,

(49:13):
but it's missing all of the softwarethings I care about. So it all
comes down to software at the end. If I'm going to pick one,
I'm going to pick the MacBook obviously, because it's way more powerful, it
has more ports, it's better speakers, better display, better battery life.
The MacBook's just overall better. Andthe iPad, especially the pros, is
what I complain about the most.They're so expensive, they cost more than
max do, and they have alot of software limitations, and they really

(49:37):
shouldn't because they have the same siliconon the inside. And right now I'm
not looking at vision Pro as youknow, this is going to compete with
the Mac at least not yet,because it's a first generation product. Yes,
it's very expensive, but it's attemptingto do far more than what my
Mac is attempting to do. Thevision Pro is trying to be this like,

(49:57):
you know, spatial computing con whereyou can put windows and towels anywhere
you want, you can see throughthem, and you do everything just with
your hands and you could lay back. It's a totally different form factor than
the MacBook, which in my opinionwas overlapping a lot with the iPad plus
keyboard case. And I was like, if I'm not getting the keyboard case,
then I'd rather just get a smaller, you know, iPad. But

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then the smaller iPads just feel likeblown up versions of my phone. Our
phones keep getting bigger and bigger everyyear. The iPhone screen size is getting
larger. So because my iPhone cando a lot more than my iPad,
can you know? The iPhone hadApple Watch compatibility, the iPhone has the
wallet app. The iPad still doesn'thave that. My iPhone has optimized battery
charging and a charge limitter and nowit has Type C, so the iPad

(50:43):
doesn't even have an advantage there.So I was like, yeah, I
feel like if I'm just using theiPad as an iPad and nothing with a
keyboard and trackpad, then my phonecan do all the same stuff. So
to me, the iPad had toomuch of an identity crisis. It was
too similar to the iPhone and alsotoo similar to the Mac to justify keeping,

(51:04):
whereas a Vision Pro. I don'tknow, it just feels like such
a radically different product that it doesn'treally overlap with either. That's why it's
exciting is it's because it's a brandnew form factor. It's a brand new
product category that we haven't seen Appleenter before, and we're kind of in
the very very early stages. It'sliterally launching tomorrow. Oh my god.
That feels weird to say. Andthis doesn't happen every day. This is

(51:27):
a rare thing for Apple to entera brand new category with a brand new
OS and a brand new app store. That's not very often that this happens,
and we're kind of in the earlystages where we get to discover what
this product really is. Is itmainly just a more portable external monitor,
or is it a separate platform thatdoesn't require a Mac or anything. Is
it more of a Mac accessories oris it more of an independent product.

(51:51):
I do think the first gen isgoing to be much more of a media
focused, like entertainment device than itis a productivity device, but that could
change, of course, is theApple Life library grows, so don't I
don't have much of a fear personallyabout it running iPad apps, just because
I think iPad os apps are probablygoing to be the most well optimized.

(52:14):
Obviously, Apple wanted there to bea ton of apps election on launch,
so they needed to port the Theyneeded to port the apps over from something
and iPad os was, you know, large scale and mostly optimized for touch,
which I would say a touchscreen areI would say a touchscreen is the
closest thing to the UI. Wehave a vision os because you're not clicking

(52:36):
and dragging like you are with amouse. You're you're looking and tapping,
which is kind of similar to whatyou do on a touchscreen. You look
and then you tap. So theyneeded a way to port things but in
the future, maybe I might getto a point where I'm like, Okay,
we have an M series chip onthis thing, why can't it boot
up into mac OS itself? Butsame story with the iPad. If I

(53:00):
wanted to boot into mac OS,it's going to require a keyboard and mouse.
I don't think you can do MacOs suddenly just eye tracking and finger
tapping only, and then I'm gonnahave to carry around a keyboard and a
trackpad everywhere I go anyway, Soyeah, I don't know. I don't

(53:20):
see it necessarily replacing MacBooks entirely.It might change the way we use our
MacBooks, Like, maybe you don'tcare as much about the display on your
MacBook because you're not going to useit all that much. Also, that
should help you save battery life onyour Mac that the display is just totally
off. Let's see. Even ifvision pro isn't like the mac doesn't mean

(53:42):
it can replace it. I don'tthink it needs to, at least right
now. I just think that themain reason I was advocating that iPads should
run macOS is because they had allthe hardware. They already were shipping them
with a screen type see port Mseries, chip, keyboard, and attract
I'm like, that's basically a MacBookwith a touch screen. You've got everything

(54:02):
you need for macOS there. Youdon't have everything you need for Vision Pro
with the current hardware, And Idon't think it would be very practical to
carry around a keyboard and a trackpad everywhere you go unless they come up
with some futuristic accessory. But honestly, just kind of like the bottom half
of a MacBook might be all youneed. You got your speakers, you

(54:24):
got your trackpad, you got yourkeyboard, But still you want to carry
that around and just have the keyboardsbeing clicked all the time? Or are
you still going to want a lidto cover it up when you're not using
it? Okay, Yeah, Idon't know. It doesn't overlap as much
with the Mac as much as theiPad does in terms of hardware, in
my opinion, I'm not sure ifyou mentioned this. Did Apple open up

(54:45):
timeslots for Apple Vision Pro demos?I don't know. I thought, yeah,
I thought someone said their first come, first serve, so you just
kind of walk in there and askfor a demo? Did you can see
that you can put shortcuts around yourhome, so you could turn your TV
on and off from vision for example. That's cool. I don't know why
i'd want to turn it on ifI'm not in front of it. If

(55:05):
I'm in front of it, theremotes there, But yeah, it's it's
neat that shortcuts are there. Thebigger question is why first gin Apple products
always be in a chunk box.The chunk box is evident that they're not
making that many of them. Appleusually cares more about the environment and how
many they can ship when they're makingtens of millions of something like iPhones or
iPads or max But they're only makinga few hundred thousand of this thing,

(55:29):
so it doesn't really matter. Turnsout, releasing Stage Manager on iPads is
basically Apple beta. To excuse me, Apple beta testing floating windows for vision
os kind of, but I stillthink they're very different, Like the windows
in vision Os are just staying therethe whole time. They're like, you're
not like switching between them. Ijust want to know how flexible the sides

(55:52):
are so I can stuff it inmy bag. Yeah, I'd be careful,
it's pretty expensive. I also sawSnazzy Labs issue a good warning out
there that I think more people shouldbe aware about because there's a lot of
people probably checking out or buying visionPro that have never owned a VR headset
before. He mentioned that there's youknow, pancake lenses in those little eye

(56:12):
holes that we talked about for thethumbnail this live stream. Those little pancake
lenses can act as a magnifier ifthe sunlight hits them from the inside.
So if you leave your vision Prooutside in direct sunlight, if the sun
hits those little lenses on the inside, it can burn the screens, those

(56:35):
very expensive micro old panels. Sohe said, do not leave your vision
Pro just sitting outside in direct sunlightfor extended periods, which I did not
know about. I had not heardof that. But Snazzilives has, you
know, owned all kinds of differentVR headsets, and he was much more
aware of those kinds of issues wherepeople literally just fried their VR headsets by

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leaving them in the sun because ofthose lens. Is so just a little
word do the wise out there,don't leave it out in the sun,
and be careful because this is avery expensive device that is probably not cheap
to repair, and you should takegood care of it. So be careful
just stuffing it in your bad Onething I didn't know is that even though
the micro olet is capable of fivethousand knits, after going through the pancake

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lenses, it only comes out toaround four hundred to five hundred. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's the reasonthere's so many brightness levels. That's
why it goes to five thousand nits. No one actually needs five thousand nits
that close to their eyes. Theonly situation, I mean, two thousand
nits is honestly plenty bright. Iwas outside cleaning up the yard today,

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just doing some home projects, andI picked up you know, I took
out my phone in direct sunlight,and I was like, dang, it's
impressive how bright these screens get indirect sunlight now. And that's only like
two thousand nits, So five thousandnits this close to your face would be
ridiculous. The only reason it's brightis because of the pancake lenses eating into

(58:02):
the total brightness that can get glad. There's no NFC chip head, but
for Apple pay whenever you want topay with Vision Pro, you just it's
beautiful. I'm sad sideloading is notcoming to UK would have been good.
Well, even in the EU.I don't think you're going to be able

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to sideload that much, to behonest with you. Let's see, just
joined and got a Mint Mobile ad. Really that's funny. They probably know
I talk about Mint Mobile. Iwonder how Airpod's Max and Vision Pro would
feel wearing together. Yeah, thatmust be fun, probably not comfortable.
Have you heard any reports on peoplecamping out at Apple Store? No?

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I don't think so, And thatwould be pretty stupid because it's by appointment
only, so there would be nopoint on camping out inside because some guy
like me who pre ordered it whenpre orders went live is still going to
be ahead and line for you.I've done this before many many times,
by the way, where you showup to the Apple Store on launch day

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for some reason, I don't knowwhy still people show up to the Apple
Store without a pre order thinking they'regonna get one before everybody else does,
just because they showed up early.I don't know if it's like this that
all of your guys's Apple stores,but at least to the one I go
to, it's like, do youhave an appointment? Do you have a
reservation, and if you say yes, then you get in one line,

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and that's the line that actually goesinside when the store opens. And if
they ask you do you have areservation and you say no, I'm just
here to buy one via walk in, then they're gonna put you in a
different line and you're gonna have towait until everybody who has a reservation gets
through, which on launch date cansometimes take all day, so you're just
gonna be waiting outside. The wholepoint, there's really no point, in

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my opinion, from what I've seen, it's not that hard. You just
wait for the pre orders to golive. It's at five in the morning.
It's much harder for me because Ido the pre order livestre tames stupidly,
but they're fun, so I enjoyit. But if you weren't a
YouTuber and you didn't need to livestream in the morning, set your alarm
for four fifty five am. Atfive am, you pre order it,

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and then you go back to bed, and then you just walk into the
Apple store at whatever your appointment windowis, ten am eleven am. You
walk in there, you say youhave an appointment, They scan the QR
code and you walk out. Noone has to camp outside anymore. That's
not a real thing. That sidesixteen hundred with anti reflective on the MacBook

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is really good. Oh what thenits? If you did a test demo
or waiting for years to show upand do it firsthand? Yeah, I
haven't done. No one other thanmedia people has done a test demo.
I'm not on Tim Cooks Nicelest,so I have not tried it. I've
never seen an Apple Vision Pro inthe wild. I'm gonna see the first
one tomorrow. We're going to tryit on for the first time. I

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don't think I'm gonna do an instore demo. I think it's gonna take
too long. I saw Apple saythat the in store demos are gonna take
like twenty to thirty minutes, andthey're gonna walk you through how to do
everything. And I feel like I'vewatched so many videos on it, I
already get it. And also,my content creation is very time sensitive because
I'm already behind. Even though Imight get I might be first in line

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for Vision Pro at the store I'mgoing to, it still may not matter
because people on the East Coast aregonna be three hours ahead. Of me
doing unboxing's uploading videos, so I'mgonna try to get my video out as
quickly as possible. So I'm justgonna walk in there say please, I
have an appointment, give me myvision pro. They're gonna hand me the

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box and say would you like usto walk you through it and do an
in store demo, and I'm gonnaalready be out the door by the time
they finish that. Bye. I'mjust gonna be running out there. I'm
like, nope, this is mything. And then we're gonna film the
unboxing and everything. There will beno livestream tomorrow. It's just too complicated.
The live broadcast isn't gonna work becauseI need to record the video and

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if I livestream, it'll be offa hot spot, and I don't know
what the performance of the cellular isgonna be like where I'm not gonna be
home and I'm unboxing it, soit's gonna be too complicated and you can't
see what I'm doing. The livestream is just gonna be me putting it
on and tapping. I mean,you know what that looks like. So
I will eventually down the road whenI figure out how to cast and airplay

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it to the Mac and live streameverything. I'll do a live stream with
vision Pro eventually, it just won'tbe tomorrow. There will be no live
streams tomorrow. I keep seeing thevision Pro and your face during the skits.
Yet it's convincing. Huh. Haveyou filmed the skit for your video
already? No? Actually, I'mthinking about not doing a skit. I
mean, I'll make it funny.I already got some jokes in mind,

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but there might not be a traditionalskit. Just because this is such a
rare occurrence for Apple to release abrand new category, I'm kind of so
excited for it. I don't wantto be too comedic about it. I
don't know. I'll find a wayto make you laugh. It may not
be through skit form, but I'llput some jokes in there. I've already
got some in mind for the openingof the video that I think you'll find

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funny or you'll at least gasp.I want everybody to have their own reaction
when they watch the video, like, what what is he doing? Run
a live stream that's just five minutesof the pre order stream thumbnail. I
don't know. I think the livestream is just going to complicate things too
much, and it's already going tobe a very complicated day. Let's see,

(01:03:37):
at least your skits will have anactual vision, per Yeah, that
should be fun taking it on andoff and on and off. Would say
that vision pros the ricky riskiest innovationthat Apple ever had, compared to the
og, iPhone, iPad, iPod, MacBook, or other innovative products that
they ever released. I'm guessing you'reasking what I say it's the riskiest.

(01:03:57):
Yeah, I have to think fora while if it's the most risky,
but I do think it's up there. If not the riskiest, I would
say top three. I mean therewere risks involved with all Apple products.
I mean, the iPod was verydifferent from everything else they had done.
The Newton was a big failure,so to go back into kind of portable,

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somewhat pocketable computing with a big risk. The iPhone had a lot of
risks, but yeah, I meanit was easier to visualize how that was
going to pay off with multi touchand the partnership with AT and T.
It's always easy. It doesn't lookrisky in hindsight. That's the point when
you go back and you can seeall of the progress and all of the

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growth that a product has made overtime. It's really easy for us all
to say, now, oh,yeah, the iPhone huge success. Of
course, that was super popular,so we look back now and say the
iPhone wasn't risky. But when itcame out, oh, there was so
much skepticism. There was so manydoubts on whether or not it would succeed.
You know, the iPhone that everyonewas reacting to back when it came
out. It's very, very differentfrom the iPhone we know today because it's

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improved and they've increased the addressable market. They've made it, you know,
more affordable, they've made it morecapable, and you know, the original
iPhone didn't even have an app store, there was no front facing camera.
Even the whole concept of FaceTime didn'teven exist, or taking selfies was not
even really a thought at that point. So when people first saw the original

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iPhone, it was just like,oh, weird Apple touchscreen, gimmicky thing
that's kind of expensive, and itwas missing some basic stuff like three G
connectivity was a thing when the iPhonecame out and it did not have it.
Original iPhone was missing that and otherphones had it, and it was
much more expensive than most other phones. It required the Apple proprietary headphone jack.

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You couldn't use other headphones jack's withit. There was no app store,
you couldn't rearrange your apps. Therewas no video you couldn't record videos
on the original iPhone. The batterylife wasn't very good, the speaker wasn't
very good. So different from theiPhone we know today, and there was

(01:06:11):
rightfully a lot of skepticism when itfirst came out, a lot of people
that were like, I don't thinkthis is it. I don't think Apple
knows what they're doing. Obviously,over time they refined it and improved upon
it, and then it became obviouslypretty much the most successful product ever.
But it wasn't abundantly clear when itlaunched. And that's what I keep trying
to remind people when it comes toVision pro is that we've done this before.

(01:06:34):
We've all been in this situation whereApple releases something, everybody skeptical and
doubtful of it, and then threeor four generations go by and that it
takes over the world. That doesn'tnecessarily mean everything Apple releases will be the
next big thing or replace the iPhoneor anything like that. I don't think
it will replace the iPhone personally,but I still think it could be incredibly

(01:06:56):
disruptive. In this we're just seeingchapter one of a very long story that's
about to unfold. It'd be crazy, due if you showed your persona and
your Apple Vision Pro review. Idon't think it'd be crazy. I think
it'd be expected. Right, Ican't wait. There's actually jokes and tweets
I want to make about personas.But if I use the persona of anybody

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in existence right now, I'm goingto be looked at as rude or mean
because I don't want to make funof an individual YouTuber that's using their persona.
But when I get my own persona, I'm comfortable making fun of myself.
But I basically I want to addthe joke of like, this is
me me after drugs and it's yourpersona. I think it'd be funny.

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What's the first thing you're going totry? Well, first, I'm going
to set it up and make sureit's working properly where I can, you
know, move my eyes around andnavigate the UI. Probably going to system
settings and start screen recording right awayso that I have footage I can incorporate
into the video. But then probablythe first real world use of it that
I'm excited for is pairing it withmy MacBook as an external monitor, because

(01:08:08):
that's the use case I see winningme over. If there is something that's
gonna win me over, it's goingto be that it's a great portable external
monitor that I can just take withme everywhere I go. Let's see how
long do I think the low costvision pros? How low do I think
the low cost vision pros will cost? I can't see them going below twenty

(01:08:30):
five hundred. I think you're inthe right ballpark. I agree. I've
seen some people out there that arelike, oh no, it has to
get under one thousand dollars for itto be mainstream. I don't necessarily agree.
I think depending on how immersive itis and how comfortable it gets,
if this is something that can kindof fill the void of your TV,
your iPad, it's an amazing mediaconsumption device, and it's a great external

(01:08:56):
monitor, all those awesome things ropedinto one, I think they could justify
it going mainstream even at two thousandplus bucks. So I agree with you,
Kevin. I think the cheaper oneis still not going to be cheap.
It'll be emphasis on the cheap er. I wonder why they didn't make
Apple Watch haptics work when using thevision Pro battery life. Apple must have

(01:09:17):
considered this at some point. Well, they probably just wanted to work independently,
and you'll probably get a little bitof feedback from the speakers. You'll
hear it make a little bit ofnoise. Brandon Bernike says iPod was risky.
Media thought it was a distraction tothe computer line. Yeah, exactly.
It's very easy in hindsight to belike, oh, yeah, of
course the iPod was a big success. Right now, it's not very obvious

(01:09:40):
that Vision Pro is a big success. But we might be looking back at
Vision Pro ten fifteen years from nowand going, oh, yeah, of
course that was the future. Weall know that that's of course where everything
was heading. But remember this momentwhere it's not all that clear. It
could be a big flop. I'mnot denying that. I'm not saying it's
impossible. Maybe this is going tohave a bunch of production issues and they're

(01:10:02):
not going to be able to lowerthe price of it, and a lot
of people aren't going to be ableto justify it because of its weight or
eye tracking not be as being asgood as we thought. The Mac gamer
asks for a camera. It's thefifteen Pro, of course, using cotton
Neuty camera. There's no cables pluggedinto my iPhone. This is just my
iPhone acting as a cotton Newdy camera. It's honestly quite impressive. I am

(01:10:26):
using the iPhone. Wonder if oneday we see a cellular modem and vision
pro Not anytime soon. Apple justdelayed their in house design modem project another
couple of years, so we're goingto be stuck with qualcom modems for the
foreseeable future. I prefer to usethat in your final cut for the video
rather, Oh, your persona wouldbe in the skit unless you have a

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skit already. I don't think thatwould work right. I think the persona
is always going to look disconnected.I also don't think the personas are going
to go anywhere personally. Personally,I think the personas are kind of gimmicky
and weird and unsettling. And Idon't think it'll ever be good enough to

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replace just doing a video call withsomeone for real. The cheaper vision pro
is made by Meta. Yeah,there you go. Let's see. I'm
three for three for smart someone doingpretty much exactly what I wanted. Really,
that's impressive. Good for you.The people who don't pre order and
show up on launch day are thesame people who go one mile per hour

(01:11:29):
below the speed limit in the passinglink. Yeah, it's just it's not
a good idea. Do I thinkthe iPad will ever go away? There
doesn't seem to be that much growthin the iPad department. No. I
think it's a necessary segment. It'sjust kind of a small one. I
don't think it will go the wayof the iPod. I did a whole
video on that, just look upwill the iPad go the way of the
iPod? And for note taking,for drawing, and for honestly, a

(01:11:51):
lot of cash registers. There's abunch of places I've been to that just
use iPads for sign here or youknow, tap here. There's a bunch
of business use cases for them,and I don't see that going away.
I don't think the iPhone is goingto be able to replace that or the
Mac. But the iPad does overlapa lot with the mac, especially when

(01:12:11):
you start getting into the higher pricepoints. So that's why it's no surprise
the vast majority of iPad selling areall in the three hundred four hundred dollars
range. Apple would never disclose this, but if we had a pie chart
of iPad sales, I'm willing tobet you that it's like seventy percent the
budget iPads like the iPad nine andthe iPad ten that probably accommodates for like

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two thirds, more than two thirdsof iPad sales. And then after that
you'll have a smaller chunk that's liketen percent iPad Air and iPad Mini,
and then or no iPad air willbe another ten percent, and then you
have this tiny sliver that's like eightor nine percent iPad pros. There's some

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people out there that just want thebest iPad ever, but they don't need
it to do anything that productivity intensive. And some people just buy iPad pros
even if it's for media consumption.Some people just have a ton of money,
so they're just like, yeah,give me the pro. Why not?
But every year I think the iPadsales are getting worse because the twenty
eighteen iPad pros are still honestly prettygood and not that different from the new

(01:13:16):
iPad pros, So it's harder forpeople to justify buying new. So there's
a lot more people buying older iPadsor holding onto iPads for longer. So
I don't think the iPad will evergo away, but it's the cheap,
affordable ones that are probably the vastmajority of sales. I do think if
there was one device Apple will phaseout to make room for vision Pro would

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be the iPad, But I agreeit is unlikely there's room for all of
them. Yeah, it's not ahuge market honestly, compared to the Mac
or compared to the iPhone or AirPodsor the Apple Watch even but I don't
think it'll go away. I thinkit'll be there, But yeah, I
could honestly see vision Pro kind ofeating into a lot of iPad functionality.
A lot of the reason people buyiPads is just to have a bigger screen

(01:14:03):
than an iPhone, and vision Prois like biggest screen ever. It's like
movie theater screen everywhere you go,right, So if you're not note taking
or drawing, Even with note takingand drawing, there's probably some ways you
could pair a pencil to the VisionPro and then draw on whatever surface you
want. So yeah, there's alot of overlap. But I don't think

(01:14:26):
Apple Vision headsets will ever get cheaperthan iPads. That's the big difference.
Like iPads. Yeah, for decades, you're still going to be able to
buy really cheap, really affordable tabletsthat are three hundred, four hundred bucks
that lets you draw, take notes, and watch movies and TV shows and
take FaceTime calls and do selfies andstuff like that. And I don't see

(01:14:47):
Apple Vision headsets ever getting into thelike sub five hundred dollars price range,
at least not new if you're likewell used. Maybe someday they'll make Apple
Vision se for five hundred dollars andyou can get that on a discous Yeah,
but at that point, you're goingto be able to buy a o
Lead one hundred and twenty hertz iPadpro for two hundred bucks. You know,
it's always going to be cheaper toget an iPad. It's just inherently

(01:15:11):
much more simple of an engineering feet. They got to reduce the iPad lineup
by half. Yeah, I wishthey would. All tablets and phones just
aren't seeing the massive year to yearimprovements. I have a Samsung S four
and it is still as useful asday one I got it. Wow,
good for you, Oopsie, that'sawesome that you can hold on to something
for that long. Many people willstill buy every category of Apple product.
I've one of those people. Iwon't be upgrading to the old iPad since

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i'll have the Vision Pro. Interesting. There you go. They're already losing
some iPad sales. You can finallycolor on the walls with Vision Pro.
Yeah, kids will love it.You just draw on everything and there's no
damage. I just got an Mone refurbished iPad pro for five hundred and
thirty bucks. Not worth three hundredmore for M two. No, definitely

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not. Universities are basically run byiPads, from students all the way up
to professors giving huge lectures. It'sall on iPad, even the Android people.
It's just yeah, I agree.I don't think iPads are going anywhere.
The original iPod and O one wasn'teven a success. It took Windows
support a year later in the iTunesstore O three before they even sold their
first million units. Its peak yearwasn't until two thousand and eight. There

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you go. That's a good point, David. We might not see a
vision pro hit it stride until yearfive or six. It could be a
long wait. I wouldn't use them, but make one just to show it
others if they want to see howpersona looks like. But I know for
a fact I won't use it alot because but most VR chatters have a

(01:16:39):
persona slash. Say, if youwant to make a virtual version of yourself,
it's usually better if it's not itdoesn't look like you. You know,
if it kind of looks like you, it's just weird, because then
you're like, eh, that's awkward. But if it's more ready, player
one, just like put my memojiup there. I would almost rather when
I do a FaceTime call, justhave a really facially accurate momo that's tracking

(01:17:00):
all my eye movements and mouth movements. I would rather just a emoji answer
the call, to be honest,that would be less creepy than the persona.
In my opinion, iPads are destinedto remain hyper niche. Yeah,
it's just digital paper. That's reallywhat an iPad is. It's just the
digital twenty first century paper. You'renot going to get rid of it.

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But does everyone need one? Yeah, probably not. I agree, persona,
is this disturbing. I don't seeit going mainstream, and I don't
think they say it's in beta now, But I don't think there will be
a future update where suddenly it looksway more convincing. Personally, I don't
think so. Do I think theone hundred feet screen and vision prop will
feel like one hundred feet? Probablynot. I've had many companies send me,

(01:17:42):
you know, VR stuff like that, and they claim things like,
oh, yeah, it's like youhave your own personal IMAX theater, and
it's always like, no, it'snot. It doesn't really feel like that.
I know it. Technically you canboast about that because it's the equivalent
of you having it, but it'sit's paragoggles. You're looking at little screens,
So no, it won't really feellike one hundred feet, but it

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can occupy a very large portion ofyour vision, your field of view.
I'm concerned with dizzyness while using visionpro. Watching Marque's play Ping Pong actually
made me dizzy. Well, thescreen recording definitely doesn't do it justice,
and Marquez posts videos in thirty fps, so that doesn't help the screen recordings

(01:18:26):
of everybody's VISIONOS experience is not anindication of how it looks because the screen
recordings, I think are still cappedat thirty frames a second, and there's
a lot more motion. There's alot more jiggle going around in the screen
recording because his head's moving around anddoing all this stuff. But if you're
actually wearing it, you're not seeingall of that motion because your your body's

(01:18:48):
moving around. So I don't thinkit would be as jarring or as dizzy
if you that Apple designed a wholechip. The whole R one chip is
purely there just to prevent dizziness,so I would be surprised if I get
dizzy that easily, but I'm sureit's possible it could happen. The question

(01:19:10):
is will the cheaper iPads have eliminateddisplay in the future. Well, I've
heard there's a lot of repair abilityadvantages to having non laminated, which is
part of the reason they do iton the cheaper iPads. It's not purely
cost, it's also repair ability,so they might not. They might just
leave it non laminated, even thoughit's less immersive. But anyway, I
believe dinner is ready, so I'mgoing to have to sign off here,

(01:19:30):
but very excited. I hope youguys are too. I appreciate all of
your generosity today. You guys werevery kind with your super chats, and
I'm very thankful that I get tohave this job where I get to check
out new and state of the arttechnology and test it out right as it
launches. It is just like adream come true for me. So thank

(01:19:54):
you all just for watching. Evenif you've never donated a single time,
I'm still very very grateful for youguys just watching because that's where most of
the revenue is generated from, isjust YouTube watch time, and that seriously
makes a big difference. So thankyou guys seriously for making all this possible,
because I love this job and I'mso thankful for you all, and

(01:20:15):
I hope you have an excellent restof your evening and sleep tight. Drive
safe if there's any of you headingout to the Apple stores tomorrow, and
be careful with these things. They'reexpensive and they're not going to be cheap
to replace or repair, So hangtight watch over those things. Okay.
Anyway, thank you all, havea good night.