September 8, 2023 • 32 mins
Rose catches up with Christine Cunningham-Ashworth on her book The Path Taken about her growing up with Scott Cunningham and her finding her place on her own Pagan Path. Christine shares her finding her witchy roots and who influenced her to write more while discovering how her brother influenced the NeoPagan movement.
Influences of Christine’s through her life:
Arwen Lynch Poe: https://tarotbyarwen.com/
Phoenix Fire Pagan Festival: https://www.phoenixfestivals.com/
Byron Ballard:https://www.instagram.com/byronballard5789/?hl=en
Pearls of Wisdom by Christine: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/52574939
Info on Gigantor Cartoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantor
Scott Cunningham’s Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Cunningham
Days of Our Lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Our_Lives
Northwest Tarot Symposium: www.nwtarotsymposium.com
Dorothy L Sayer’s Mysteries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dorothy_L._Sayers_Mystery
Romance Writers of America:https://www.rwa.org/
The Swiss Tarot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_1JJ_Tarot
UK Tarot Conference:http://tarotconference.co.uk/
Marion Kirk: https://www.marionktarot.com/
Christine’s Fiction site: https://christine-ashworth.com/
Madame Pamita Parlour of Wonders: https://www.parlourofwonders.com/
Christine Cunningham Ashworth’s Bio:
Christine Cunningham Ashworth’s true love is the written word. Her writing continues the legacy left by her father, novelist Chet Cunningham and her brother Scott Cunningham, an icon of metaphysical publishing. She believes magic is everywhere and available to everyone. From tending to the garden and land spirits, to utilizing breath as a tool for mindfulness, Christine lives her craft.
Christine is a popular speaker at writers’ conferences, as well as at cartomancy conferences, such as The International Divination Event, the Northwest Tarot Symposium, and StaarCon. Christine also presents at Pagan festivals like Phoenix Phyre and Trees of Autumn Gathering. Christine’s first novel came out in 2011. Since then she has published over ten novels, numerous short stories, and the non-fiction essay collection Wear the Pearls and Other Bits of Wisdom. Since 2018, she has written a regular column in The Cartomancer Magazine. A native of San Diego, Christine lives with her husband Tom in southern California
Christine’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashworthchristine/
(She is doing a book launch Friday Sept 8 and Saturday Sept 9, 2023 here!)
As always, we enjoy hearing your feedback and comments. Send your emails to tarotvisionsshow@gmail.com, or follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/tarot_visions, or on Facebook at http://facebook.com/TarotVisionsUS.
Influences of Christine’s through her life:
Arwen Lynch Poe: https://tarotbyarwen.com/
Phoenix Fire Pagan Festival: https://www.phoenixfestivals.com/
Byron Ballard:https://www.instagram.com/byronballard5789/?hl=en
Pearls of Wisdom by Christine: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/52574939
Info on Gigantor Cartoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantor
Scott Cunningham’s Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Cunningham
Days of Our Lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Our_Lives
Northwest Tarot Symposium: www.nwtarotsymposium.com
Dorothy L Sayer’s Mysteries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dorothy_L._Sayers_Mystery
Romance Writers of America:https://www.rwa.org/
The Swiss Tarot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_1JJ_Tarot
UK Tarot Conference:http://tarotconference.co.uk/
Marion Kirk: https://www.marionktarot.com/
Christine’s Fiction site: https://christine-ashworth.com/
Madame Pamita Parlour of Wonders: https://www.parlourofwonders.com/
Christine Cunningham Ashworth’s Bio:
Christine Cunningham Ashworth’s true love is the written word. Her writing continues the legacy left by her father, novelist Chet Cunningham and her brother Scott Cunningham, an icon of metaphysical publishing. She believes magic is everywhere and available to everyone. From tending to the garden and land spirits, to utilizing breath as a tool for mindfulness, Christine lives her craft.
Christine is a popular speaker at writers’ conferences, as well as at cartomancy conferences, such as The International Divination Event, the Northwest Tarot Symposium, and StaarCon. Christine also presents at Pagan festivals like Phoenix Phyre and Trees of Autumn Gathering. Christine’s first novel came out in 2011. Since then she has published over ten novels, numerous short stories, and the non-fiction essay collection Wear the Pearls and Other Bits of Wisdom. Since 2018, she has written a regular column in The Cartomancer Magazine. A native of San Diego, Christine lives with her husband Tom in southern California
Christine’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashworthchristine/
(She is doing a book launch Friday Sept 8 and Saturday Sept 9, 2023 here!)
As always, we enjoy hearing your feedback and comments. Send your emails to tarotvisionsshow@gmail.com, or follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/tarot_visions, or on Facebook at http://facebook.com/TarotVisionsUS.
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You're listening to Tero Visions. Joinyour host Rose Red Robinson as she chats
with esoteric luminaries, explores technology touse in one's personal practice, and dives
into witchcraft and magic in everyday life. Good morning, and welcome back to
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Taro Visions. I know I've beenon hiatus for a little while, but
I had to I had to waitbecause there was this wonderful book coming out
in this wonderful author I wanted tospeak with who I had the pleasure of
meeting a bit ago at Northwest TeroSymposium, and of course that wonderful person
is Christine Cunningham Ashworth. Welcome,Thank you so much. Rose. It's
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lovely to be here. It's lovelyto see you again and again. We
met by chance, really at butit was only twenty eighteen. Wow,
it just feels like it's been along a lot longer that I've had you
as part of my life. It'sbeen really lovely. And one of the
things that I was handed when Ifirst met Christine was Hi, I'm Christine
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Ashworth. Here, have a chapstick. They'll have that chapstick just not handy
at the moment, but it waslike, yes, one of those,
and I was going to ask foranother one when I when I see you
next, which will be soon.But you, you know, were very
shy and you just said hi,I'm Christine, and then you're very bold
and wonderful friend who we all love. Arwyn lynch Poe said do you know
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who this is? And I'm like, well, you just told me it's
Christine Ashworth and she gave me thisawesome chapstick. So I think she's a
writer, right. She's like,well, yes, all of that is
very true, but did you know? And I'm like, did I know?
This is Scott's sister? And momentI sat there for a moment and
went Scott's sister, I know onehundred different freaking Scott's Arwen sis is not
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helpful and she's like Stott cunning him. And then of course I almost spit
when I was drinking. Thank goodness, I didn't have anything that I wasn't
almost already done with and I wentoh, and all I could look at
Christine was just go, thank you. I'm so glad you're here. Your
brother meant so much. And thenthat's how the conversation began. She forgave
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me for being such a sloppy fangirl. After that moment, you stood
up and gave me the sweetest tugover that table. It was wonderful.
It was absolutely wonderful. And thenlater on that night, your husband came
up to me and said, mylady would like to speak with you.
Would you mind coming and talking toher? And I said, no,
that's fine, And that's how reallyyeah, he started. It was.
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It was wonderful. It was sosweet, and it's been a wonderful journey
ever since and getting to know youbetter, and you're reading your writings of
your own and of course one ofmy favorite writings that you have that I
love is Pearls of Wisdom book.Oh yeah, it's one of those books
I keep going back to every timeI'm like, I know there's something I
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need to think about, and Ipull that book out and I've read one
of the stories and I'm just like, that's what made mid day. I
had to have it in that moment, and so that was really special.
And then to find out that you'vebeen working on this book about Scott sort
of kind of and your family relationships, yep. Yeah, So what prompted
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you to decide to write this well, I had no intention of writing a
book about Scott. I'm really seriouslynothing. And then but after I went
to Newts that year, I startedwriting about Taro online and a friend of
mine named Drew Castle said, Iwould like to invite you to come speak
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at the Phoenix Fire Pagan Festival inOctober in Florida. And I said really,
and she goes, yeah, absolutely, we'd love to have you,
and I said okay. So Imade my way there and talked about Scott,
showed some of the books that hehad written that were not pagan books.
They were not they were fiction,and then showed a kitchen witch that
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my grandmother had made for him.Oh, and just told a few stories.
And then afterwards I had so manypeople coming up and hugging me and
saying thank you so much for showingus the person behind the books. And
they said, you are planning onwriting a book about it, weren't you?
And I was like, no,not really. And after I got
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that question about fifty times the restof the weekend, I went, Okay,
maybe I am. And that wasa really hard year fiction writing wise.
I had some bad experiences with fellowauthors and a in an anthology I
was in. So by the timeJanuary twenty nineteen came around, I was
burned out, completely burned out onwriting fiction, and so I turned to
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writing this book. And my wayin was I sat down to write the
preface because I didn't know how toenter into it. So I sat down
to write the preface, and thefirst words out of my brain threw my
fingers into the book were It wassomething along the lines of if I had
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known how prolific and how beloved andhow polarizing he would be, I would
have kept notes when we were kids, you know, And so it just
kind of went from there. Sowhat part of the book do you feel
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most speaks to your connection with yourfamily and your brother. I'm in there
all over the place. It's gosh, that's a good question. I every
part of it is me and thefamily. I can't really think of anything
that isn't. I mean, there'ssome really good parts, like the family
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vacation. The epic vacation was amazing. You don't really know people very well
until you travel with them in acar for six weeks pulling a trailer.
But the quiet times were good too, and the Christmases and the family dinners
and the laughter, so much laughter. You know, I can't I can't
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pick one specific thing. Okay,well I have heard story of one specific
thing that you've already done on anotherbroadcast with friends of mine. So tell
me about the cookies. Oh,the cookies. Oh okay. So in
the book there's a recipe for theGigantor cookies. Now, it was a
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recipe that my grandmother passed on mygrandmother, Hazel passed on to my mom.
And it's basically a ranger type cookiewhich has got a lot of everything
in it. It's got nuts andoats, and if you want to put
coconut or chocolate, you can dothat. And I think it's got corn
flakes in it. I mean,it's just one of those stuff. It
full of everything. But the thingthat really makes it for me is the
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maple flavoring that my grandmother put in. But beside that, there used to
be a cartoon called Gigantor, andI've watched a little bit of it recently.
It's just hysterical. I don't knowwhy we were so enamored of that
cartoon, but whenever it came on, the boys and I were right there
watching it and my mother for somereason. One time we were watching the
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cartoon and she was making these cookiesand she decided to make them really big
and call them gigant or cookies.So that's yeah, that's that's a thing,
very fair, very fair. Sowhen you were growing up, what
inspired you to be a writer?And what do you think inspired Scott to
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be a writer? Our dad,because he was there doing it all day,
every day, and we saw himdo it. He was home.
That was one of the blessings ofour childhood. He had both parents home
all the time, which very fewpeople did. But we felt asleep to
the sound of his manual typewriter everynight because he would work. He would
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write new words in the evenings afterdinner until eleven o'clock, and then eleven
o'clock it was the news, andthen eleven thirty was Johnny Carson, and
after Johnny Carson was over, thenhe'd go to bed. So we never
saw him in the morning before wewent to school. He was always asleep.
But yeah, he supported a familyof five on his freelance writing income,
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which is amazing. Yeah, inthis same and age, that's that's
so hard to believe, right,Yeah, so I always knew I could
write, and I mean I would. I always got a's on essay tests
in school, and I think becauseI wrote so much, the teacher just
looked at it and figured out knewwhen I was talking about. I'm not
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sure they actually read any of it. And Scott, I have to assume
it's the same thing that he sawwhat our dad was doing, and he
did. He took over some carcolumns when he was like eighteen to make
money and then slowly got into thefiction writing along with my dad. And
while he was doing fiction during theday with my dad, he was doing
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his nonfiction at home at his athis apartment once we moved out, right,
So, yeah, did you everget an opportunity to read any of
his stuff before you realized what hewas writing or was it just the fiction
stuff that you were more familiar withFor your brother, I didn't read anything.
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Oh, I didn't read anything.No. It is a universal truth
that if you are a star orfamous, you are a star or famous
everywhere except in your own family.I only read my dad's books when he
said here, read this, andthen he'd get mad at me because I'd
finished it in an hour. Anda half and it took him six weeks
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to write you know. So yeah, so yeah, no, I never
and by that time we weren't.I was in La and he was still
in San Diego. So you know, it was always yeah, you sold
a book. Oh, I'm soglad, glad for you. I'm so
happy for you. Right, soit was kind of like everybody in the
family supported everybody, you know,from Yeah, great, couldn't gradulations tell
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us what we need to do,but not reading their stuff, because again,
it wasn't like that. Yeah,I mean, I doubt I don't
think my dad owned my books,but I don't think you ever read him.
Right now, Mom had passed awaybefore my first book was published.
Okay, so then when did youdiscover Scott's actual work? I mean obviously
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after, but when did you discoverwhat he'd written? Oh? Well,
he was still alive. Oh okay. My dad had a huge bookshelf that
the Scott would get books in fromhis publisher, and some of them were
in foreign languages, and he didn'thave room in this little apartment, so
he would take him over to ourdad's house and my dad would put in
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this big blue bookshelf that he hadcreated and he hung really heavy sheet plastic
over the top of it to keepbut that'st out. So I would go
pruise those the bookshelves every now andthen. You know, I knew he
was writing pig and stuff. That'sthat was not a secret, okay at
all. Yeah, none of thatwas a secret in the family. But
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I was so busy doing other things. So what were you doing? I
was well when we were young,when we were when I was still living
at home, I was deep intoballet and I was certain that was the
way my career was going to go. And then I found musical theater and
then I fell in love with myhusband and we moved to la and there
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were no ballet companies in LA innineteen eighty so, and ballet studios were
not close to where we lived,so it wasn't well. I did some
background work. I worked on daysof our lives, mostly as background,
and I was on square pegs acouple of times as background, and it
was a lot of fun. Youdon't get paid very much, but it
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was a lot of fun. Andthen I went to clerical work through temp
agencies and then getting tired of workingfor tenp agents. I worked for three
different temp agencies, and I wasgetting tired of that. And I realized
that Tom was an actor and hewas never going to not be an actor
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because he was really set on beingan actor, and I wanted to support
him any way I could. SoI was at my best friend's pre wedding.
It was in Colorado, and Iwas her matron of honor and I
was sat down next to one ofthe bride'smaids, and I think we were
drinking champagne that day, and Isaid to her, I need a real
job. I need a job thathas benefits. I need a job because
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I want eventually to own a houseand have kids and have stability and have
healthcare. I need a job.And she looked at me and she said,
she said, can you type.I said, of course I could
type. This is nineteen eighty five. I said, of course I can
type. She said, Okay,call me when we get back to LA.
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I think I might have a jobfor you. And she was a
secretary at Candle Corporation, which wasa computer software company for mainframe computers.
It was a diagnostics software And Isaid really, she goes, yeah,
yeah. So I did and hadit got an interview, and then because
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the gal before me did not knowhow to type, I had to take
a typing test. But I passedand they heard me. And I was
there for fourteen years and got thehealthcare and got the the ability to own
a house and you know it hadthe kids and so it was great.
It was wonderful. That's brilliant.Then how did you start writing for yourself?
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When did that become a thing thatyou were also passionate about? Obviously
you cared about it, but whendid you realize I need to be the
writer now as well as doing allthe other things I have to do.
Ah, Well, I was writingall the time. I job shared a
job in late eighty through eighty threeat Live Wire, singing telegrams my best
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friend who's wedding I just talked about. She and I shared the receptionist job.
I had four hour worse in themorning, she had four hours in
the afternoon. And I would constantlyleave my writing behind accidentally. And at
the time I was very very biginto writing fan fiction on Sir Peter from
Oh Sir Peter Whimsey from Dorothy L. Sayers novels, and Yeah, so
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she thought I was crazy and Ithought she was always late because she was
love you Tan, But we endedup becoming very good friends. And I
just always wrote, and my dadkept encouraging me to write. Didn't really
start writing a novel Intien nineteen ninetyand my first novel was one hundred and
forty thousand words and went all overthe place, and it was a romance
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and yeah, it will never seethe light of day. But right after
that I joined Remsorters of America andin early two thousand and two, so
that's when I started writing whenever Icould. When you joined the romance writers
in America, how did that changeyour perspective on your craft in general?
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For yourself? Did that encourage it? Did it give you more connection?
What was the advantage to doing that? It was you had people who understood
what you were doing and who couldhelp you, and you could point out
the pitfalls and the It's like anythingelse, you know, you need tribe
around you to help you figure yourselfout. I mean, you can learn
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taro on your own, but it'sa lot more interesting to get other people's
input. So and it's the sameway with writing, because you want to
make sure your read or understands whatit is you're saying. And there are
some tricks of English that you,even though it sounds right in your ear,
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if you really start pursing the sentencetogether, you realize the person can't
do this at the same time asthey're doing that. So it gave you
that it was invaluable. It reallywas. I'm still a member. I've
been president of my local chapter,Los Angeles Romance Authors for two terms.
I've held every office there except fortreasurer because I refused to handle money.
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But yeah, if you're a writer, I highly highly encourage you to find
your local writers group. Whatever youmay be writing, it's gonna help.
Right. So then when did youpick up Tarot? I saw or when
posting about it in twenty sixteen,twenty seventeen, and I almost went to
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Newts in twenty seventeen, but thendecided not to, which I regret.
And I started looking around my officebecause I thought I had a couple Tarot
decks and turned out I had four. One was the Swiss Taro that was
the deck that Scott bought me whenI was thirteen, and I just I
didn't understand it. I thought itwas cool I didn't understand it, so
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I just tucked the way. Itjust followed me and I never lost it.
And then I bought Monty Farmer andFarmer and Amy's Darner's tapestry taro I
think it is the one that camewith the CD, and so half the
time the CD and the deck werenever in the same place. So now
they have them clipped together. They'reon my bookshelf somewhere, I think.
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And I don't remember the other twodecks I have, but I started talking
going through the decks and talking abouttaro Oh. I have a right of
white Smith, of course. Andthen a friend of mine sent me a
round deck, not the mother piecedeck, but it was a newer round
deck that was absolutely beautiful, andI really started getting into learning about the
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cards and about layouts and how Ifelt extremely inadequate about all of that.
And I took that round deck withme to my first news in twenty eight
and then they just kind of gotyou going in that direction, it sounds
like. And then kick starters anddecks past to me, and I've had
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decks come and go because there area lot of them I pick up for
whatever reason. And then realize theydon't resonate anymore. So I passed them
on, what one besides the onesthat you've had from childhood, what currently
is one deck that is still kindof stuck with you right now? I
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don't have it out here right now, but Chris Hanns deck, the light
sneers, Yeah, the light seriousdeck. And I do thoroughly enjoy the
Wiser Tarot. I love the coloringon that the back, just the way
they turned up the vibrancy. ButChris Hann's Light Serious deck is the one
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I use the most. It's inmy office travel baggery now. And you're
getting ready to head off to thewilds of the UK. What drew you
to going to the UK Tarot conferencethis year? You know, I'm not
sure. Mary and Kirk was speakingis speaking this year, and I she
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started talking to me about it.I think when we were at Star Khan
in January and then March, it'slike, you really should comes, you
really really should come. I comeall the way to Florida from Scotland.
You can come to the UK fromCalifornia, like, uh gos, bring
your husband. I went, Okay, that's a good idea. That's a
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really good idea, and then shesaid, and you know, maybe they'll
do a book signing or something likethat. So once I actually signed up,
I sent an email to Kim Arnold, is the organizer and yes,
general drive behind the UK Carret Conference, and said, do you know of
any bookstores that might be good forme to do a book signing since my
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book will be out in September andI think, you know, it's a
chance and she said sure, letme get put you in touch with the
folks at the Atlantis Bookshop and theywere extremely gracious and said we'd love to
have you, and so we setit up for Monday, October nine and
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two thirty And originally it was goingto be in the Gerald Gardner room,
which only seats about fifteen, butthere was gonna be tea and cakes and
I was going to talk and thenbook signing afterwards. And I got an
email from them saying we've been askingpeople if they were would be interested in
hearing you talk, and we've gotsuch a good response. Now we're actually
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moving your talk to the church aroundthe corner in the vestry. We're renting
out the vestry And I'm like,uh, what, Yeah, I was
just like gobsmacked. So now I'mshe goes, if you have a power
point, let me know we havewith other equipment you might need. And
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I'm like, oh my god,this is real. Like you know,
I could bullshit my way pardon myFrench through an hour with fifteen people.
It's a lot harder when you've gota bigger crowd. So there are more
people hopefully willing to ask questions.So that's extremely exciting and I'm hoping to
get graphics prettieston to start pushing that. But yeah, well we'll be sharing
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this hopefully very soon, so peoplewill get ready and to get excited for
it. Yeah. So are youdoing any other book signings in the US,
because I did see someone had asigned copy of your book and they
were and that person was Ethny Dawnof course, but I was just like,
oh, I want to, Iwant to, I want to see
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I want I want to. Yeah, well you get a signed copy right
now. There is one scheduled inSan Diego for October twenty one, first
a Tree of Life bookstore. Okay, yeah in Ocean Beach, and I'm
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really excited about that. That's gonnabe fun. And Madam Pamita's Parlor of
Wonders has they are literally twenty minutesdown the road for me. Oh nice,
Yeah, it's wonderful. So sheand I taught and I said,
hey, would you be interested inselling signed copies because I can come down
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any time and personalized copies and andif Byron Ballard does that with Malaprops,
which is a bookstore near her,and I thought, what a great way
to support a fellow artist, youknow, And so she agreed, and
so yeah, you can get asigned copy through Madam Pamidas Parler of Wonders.
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If she doesn't have any in,she will get more in. So
just put your name on the waitlist. I think right now she's she
still has copies. So that's howa few people got them early before.
I mean the release state technically istoday. Yes, I wonder if it's
not my kindle, but yeah,and I'm hoping to do as signing up
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in the Pacific Northwest. I don'tknow what time yet, but a friend
of mine's gonna put that together andI'd love to do one in sent in
the Bay Area. Okay, again, I don't have a I don't have
a pr person to put all thatstuff together for me, but we know
people, so we'll work on that. So then, what is your next
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venue or venture, if you willfor your writing? Are you going to
work on a magical book of yourown? Yes? Of course. Do
I know what direction that's going totake? No? Not at this point.
Right now, I'm working on afiction series, paranormal slow burn cozy
mystery type series that I don't havea contract for us, so I'm not
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going to say anything more about it. No, no, but I have
a publisher who's interested, which Iam so very grateful for. Fantastic And
what are some of the titles you'vealready written that you could share with us,
besides the wonderful Book of Pearls ofWisdom and of course Scott's new book
The Path Taken In Right now thereis oh my gosh, do I even
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remember? Guarded Hearts? New GuardedGuarded Star, Star Crossed and Rising Star
is my contemporary fiction series set looselyaround a Hollywood talent agency called Star Type
Talent. And then I have myKing Brothers paranormal series that's gone through a
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name change and I don't have themin paperback yet, but I'm working on
that they were Demon Sould, DemonHunt, and Demon Rage, and now
it's fractured Soul, Warrior Soul,an Ancient Soul, and Ancient Souls not
up yet. I'm sorry. I'vebeen very bad about that stuff and not
like you've not been busy or anything. Yeah. Yeah, I actually went
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to look for copies of that becausea friend of mine wanted them before we
do our interview later this month,and I had to get them on AB
books sold out why Picks pop wellout of print, right, the Demon
books are out of print technically,so it's yeah. So that just says
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that you know, people pay attentionand they're coming back. We're going to
be able to get them. That'ssuper exciting though, right, And of
course being able to chat with youmore about what your magical path is it's
been really interesting too. So wherehave you gone with some of that?
What is something you've found for yourselfthat spoke to you magically? Because I
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know you're a big fan of ByronBallad. In fact, because of you,
that's how I refound her, becauseI'd heard about her and then come
back to her. So what drawsyou magically? The very the simplest things,
the very simple things. Just thereis so much magic in a garden,
you know, watering, giving life, talking to the plants. Just
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you know, the daily the dailygratitude, which applies to whatever religion you're
in. I think I did abeing willing to fail. Not all spells
work, and I had one thatI failed spectacularly on. It was a
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binding spell on myself because there wasa habit I wanted to change. And
so you cover an egg, araw egg, in pencil with what you
want to change about yourself, andthen you wrap it in twine and you
put it in a baggy and stickit in the freezer for a month.
It's supposed to be a moon cycle. This is a Byron Ballard spell.
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And I promptly forgot about it.So it was in the freezer for oh,
I don't know, three months andbefore and when I remembered, I
went, oh, okay, soI need to take it out and let
it thaw before I release it,right, And you have to release it
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out. You don't want to releaseit anywhere on your own property. You
have to release it outside your ownproperty. So I had it in its
baggy sitting right here by my lefthand, on my desk for another oh
four months. Thank god, thatbaggy hilled egg started well, it was
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rotting. It started rotting and itwas leaking and it got mold on it.
And I had called Byron about somethingelse and I mentioned the spell to
her. She started laughing. Shedoes not all spells work, honey,
he just they just don't. Andthis one obviously didn't. So she said,
you take that and you get ridof that as soon as And it
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was probably a month after that talkthat I finally I just finally did it
last week. It was just like, I felt so stupid. But you
know, if you don't it's practice. If you don't practice, you don't
get better. It's like anything else. And it's a daily thing. You
know, you don't you don't expectto be a concert pianist by practicing once
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every month exactly worked by some month. You know, it's just it doesn't
happen. You can't become an excellent, prolific writer if you write a paragraph
a year, right, So it'sit's it's those baby steps. It's it's
the learning. It's taking the joyand learning and reading everything I can,
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paying attention, you know, justto life. Yeah, well, thank
you for taking some time to chatwith me and share the information with my
listeners. We're gonna have a lotof the links of the decks you talked
about Madame Palmida's Parlor of Wonder whereyou could pick up Christine's signed copies of
her book. We'll also have alink to where Christine's other books are available.
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And just thank you for taking thetime to chat with us today,
Christine. Oh, you're so welcome. I have one more thing, yes,
ma'am, I wanted to mention I'mdoing an online book launch on Friday
the eighth at six thirty pm viaInstagram Live. Okay, And on Friday,
I have Nicholas Pearson, James Devine, are When Professional joy Seeker,
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Princess, Stephanie Roseberg, Amy Blackthorne, Matt arn and Jessica Illis is going
to be with me. Oh veryfun. Yeah. And Saturday morning at
ten thirty again Instagram Live, I'mgonna have Storm Fairy Wolf, Amy Emperhart,
Beverly Frabele and Jamie Alford and allof those people were contributors to the
books, So they're going to talkabout the book and about Scott and about
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what they're doing and so it shouldbe very fun. I would love to
have a lot of people there.Oh brilliant. Well then again, I'm
gonna have to get this edited intoright away. This will be going up
on the eighth, so oh perfect. Yes, So thank you so much
and we look forward to talking toyou more later. Thank you, Rose.
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You're listening to Tero Visions. Joinyour host Rose Red Robinson as she chats
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into witchcraft and magic in everyday life. Good morning, and welcome back to
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Taro Visions. I know I've beenon hiatus for a little while, but
I had to I had to waitbecause there was this wonderful book coming out
in this wonderful author I wanted tospeak with who I had the pleasure of
meeting a bit ago at Northwest TeroSymposium, and of course that wonderful person
is Christine Cunningham Ashworth. Welcome,Thank you so much. Rose. It's
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lovely to be here. It's lovelyto see you again and again. We
met by chance, really at butit was only twenty eighteen. Wow,
it just feels like it's been along a lot longer that I've had you
as part of my life. It'sbeen really lovely. And one of the
things that I was handed when Ifirst met Christine was Hi, I'm Christine
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Ashworth. Here, have a chapstick. They'll have that chapstick just not handy
at the moment, but it waslike, yes, one of those,
and I was going to ask foranother one when I when I see you
next, which will be soon.But you, you know, were very
shy and you just said hi,I'm Christine, and then you're very bold
and wonderful friend who we all love. Arwyn lynch Poe said do you know
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who this is? And I'm like, well, you just told me it's
Christine Ashworth and she gave me thisawesome chapstick. So I think she's a
writer, right. She's like,well, yes, all of that is
very true, but did you know? And I'm like, did I know?
This is Scott's sister? And momentI sat there for a moment and
went Scott's sister, I know onehundred different freaking Scott's Arwen sis is not
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helpful and she's like Stott cunning him. And then of course I almost spit
when I was drinking. Thank goodness, I didn't have anything that I wasn't
almost already done with and I wentoh, and all I could look at
Christine was just go, thank you. I'm so glad you're here. Your
brother meant so much. And thenthat's how the conversation began. She forgave
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me for being such a sloppy fangirl. After that moment, you stood
up and gave me the sweetest tugover that table. It was wonderful.
It was absolutely wonderful. And thenlater on that night, your husband came
up to me and said, mylady would like to speak with you.
Would you mind coming and talking toher? And I said, no,
that's fine, And that's how reallyyeah, he started. It was.
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It was wonderful. It was sosweet, and it's been a wonderful journey
ever since and getting to know youbetter, and you're reading your writings of
your own and of course one ofmy favorite writings that you have that I
love is Pearls of Wisdom book.Oh yeah, it's one of those books
I keep going back to every timeI'm like, I know there's something I
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need to think about, and Ipull that book out and I've read one
of the stories and I'm just like, that's what made mid day. I
had to have it in that moment, and so that was really special.
And then to find out that you'vebeen working on this book about Scott sort
of kind of and your family relationships, yep. Yeah, So what prompted
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you to decide to write this well, I had no intention of writing a
book about Scott. I'm really seriouslynothing. And then but after I went
to Newts that year, I startedwriting about Taro online and a friend of
mine named Drew Castle said, Iwould like to invite you to come speak
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at the Phoenix Fire Pagan Festival inOctober in Florida. And I said really,
and she goes, yeah, absolutely, we'd love to have you,
and I said okay. So Imade my way there and talked about Scott,
showed some of the books that hehad written that were not pagan books.
They were not they were fiction,and then showed a kitchen witch that
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my grandmother had made for him.Oh, and just told a few stories.
And then afterwards I had so manypeople coming up and hugging me and
saying thank you so much for showingus the person behind the books. And
they said, you are planning onwriting a book about it, weren't you?
And I was like, no,not really. And after I got
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that question about fifty times the restof the weekend, I went, Okay,
maybe I am. And that wasa really hard year fiction writing wise.
I had some bad experiences with fellowauthors and a in an anthology I
was in. So by the timeJanuary twenty nineteen came around, I was
burned out, completely burned out onwriting fiction, and so I turned to
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writing this book. And my wayin was I sat down to write the
preface because I didn't know how toenter into it. So I sat down
to write the preface, and thefirst words out of my brain threw my
fingers into the book were It wassomething along the lines of if I had
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known how prolific and how beloved andhow polarizing he would be, I would
have kept notes when we were kids, you know, And so it just
kind of went from there. Sowhat part of the book do you feel
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most speaks to your connection with yourfamily and your brother. I'm in there
all over the place. It's gosh, that's a good question. I every
part of it is me and thefamily. I can't really think of anything
that isn't. I mean, there'ssome really good parts, like the family
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vacation. The epic vacation was amazing. You don't really know people very well
until you travel with them in acar for six weeks pulling a trailer.
But the quiet times were good too, and the Christmases and the family dinners
and the laughter, so much laughter. You know, I can't I can't
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pick one specific thing. Okay,well I have heard story of one specific
thing that you've already done on anotherbroadcast with friends of mine. So tell
me about the cookies. Oh,the cookies. Oh okay. So in
the book there's a recipe for theGigantor cookies. Now, it was a
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recipe that my grandmother passed on mygrandmother, Hazel passed on to my mom.
And it's basically a ranger type cookiewhich has got a lot of everything
in it. It's got nuts andoats, and if you want to put
coconut or chocolate, you can dothat. And I think it's got corn
flakes in it. I mean,it's just one of those stuff. It
full of everything. But the thingthat really makes it for me is the
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maple flavoring that my grandmother put in. But beside that, there used to
be a cartoon called Gigantor, andI've watched a little bit of it recently.
It's just hysterical. I don't knowwhy we were so enamored of that
cartoon, but whenever it came on, the boys and I were right there
watching it and my mother for somereason. One time we were watching the
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cartoon and she was making these cookiesand she decided to make them really big
and call them gigant or cookies.So that's yeah, that's that's a thing,
very fair, very fair. Sowhen you were growing up, what
inspired you to be a writer?And what do you think inspired Scott to
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be a writer? Our dad,because he was there doing it all day,
every day, and we saw himdo it. He was home.
That was one of the blessings ofour childhood. He had both parents home
all the time, which very fewpeople did. But we felt asleep to
the sound of his manual typewriter everynight because he would work. He would
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write new words in the evenings afterdinner until eleven o'clock, and then eleven
o'clock it was the news, andthen eleven thirty was Johnny Carson, and
after Johnny Carson was over, thenhe'd go to bed. So we never
saw him in the morning before wewent to school. He was always asleep.
But yeah, he supported a familyof five on his freelance writing income,
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which is amazing. Yeah, inthis same and age, that's that's
so hard to believe, right,Yeah, so I always knew I could
write, and I mean I would. I always got a's on essay tests
in school, and I think becauseI wrote so much, the teacher just
looked at it and figured out knewwhen I was talking about. I'm not
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sure they actually read any of it. And Scott, I have to assume
it's the same thing that he sawwhat our dad was doing, and he
did. He took over some carcolumns when he was like eighteen to make
money and then slowly got into thefiction writing along with my dad. And
while he was doing fiction during theday with my dad, he was doing
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his nonfiction at home at his athis apartment once we moved out, right,
So, yeah, did you everget an opportunity to read any of
his stuff before you realized what hewas writing or was it just the fiction
stuff that you were more familiar withFor your brother, I didn't read anything.
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Oh, I didn't read anything.No. It is a universal truth
that if you are a star orfamous, you are a star or famous
everywhere except in your own family.I only read my dad's books when he
said here, read this, andthen he'd get mad at me because I'd
finished it in an hour. Anda half and it took him six weeks
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to write you know. So yeah, so yeah, no, I never
and by that time we weren't.I was in La and he was still
in San Diego. So you know, it was always yeah, you sold
a book. Oh, I'm soglad, glad for you. I'm so
happy for you. Right, soit was kind of like everybody in the
family supported everybody, you know,from Yeah, great, couldn't gradulations tell
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us what we need to do,but not reading their stuff, because again,
it wasn't like that. Yeah,I mean, I doubt I don't
think my dad owned my books,but I don't think you ever read him.
Right now, Mom had passed awaybefore my first book was published.
Okay, so then when did youdiscover Scott's actual work? I mean obviously
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after, but when did you discoverwhat he'd written? Oh? Well,
he was still alive. Oh okay. My dad had a huge bookshelf that
the Scott would get books in fromhis publisher, and some of them were
in foreign languages, and he didn'thave room in this little apartment, so
he would take him over to ourdad's house and my dad would put in
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this big blue bookshelf that he hadcreated and he hung really heavy sheet plastic
over the top of it to keepbut that'st out. So I would go
pruise those the bookshelves every now andthen. You know, I knew he
was writing pig and stuff. That'sthat was not a secret, okay at
all. Yeah, none of thatwas a secret in the family. But
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I was so busy doing other things. So what were you doing? I
was well when we were young,when we were when I was still living
at home, I was deep intoballet and I was certain that was the
way my career was going to go. And then I found musical theater and
then I fell in love with myhusband and we moved to la and there
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were no ballet companies in LA innineteen eighty so, and ballet studios were
not close to where we lived,so it wasn't well. I did some
background work. I worked on daysof our lives, mostly as background,
and I was on square pegs acouple of times as background, and it
was a lot of fun. Youdon't get paid very much, but it
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was a lot of fun. Andthen I went to clerical work through temp
agencies and then getting tired of workingfor tenp agents. I worked for three
different temp agencies, and I wasgetting tired of that. And I realized
that Tom was an actor and hewas never going to not be an actor
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because he was really set on beingan actor, and I wanted to support
him any way I could. SoI was at my best friend's pre wedding.
It was in Colorado, and Iwas her matron of honor and I
was sat down next to one ofthe bride'smaids, and I think we were
drinking champagne that day, and Isaid to her, I need a real
job. I need a job thathas benefits. I need a job because
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I want eventually to own a houseand have kids and have stability and have
healthcare. I need a job.And she looked at me and she said,
she said, can you type.I said, of course I could
type. This is nineteen eighty five. I said, of course I can
type. She said, Okay,call me when we get back to LA.
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I think I might have a jobfor you. And she was a
secretary at Candle Corporation, which wasa computer software company for mainframe computers.
It was a diagnostics software And Isaid really, she goes, yeah,
yeah. So I did and hadit got an interview, and then because
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the gal before me did not knowhow to type, I had to take
a typing test. But I passedand they heard me. And I was
there for fourteen years and got thehealthcare and got the the ability to own
a house and you know it hadthe kids and so it was great.
It was wonderful. That's brilliant.Then how did you start writing for yourself?
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When did that become a thing thatyou were also passionate about? Obviously
you cared about it, but whendid you realize I need to be the
writer now as well as doing allthe other things I have to do.
Ah, Well, I was writingall the time. I job shared a
job in late eighty through eighty threeat Live Wire, singing telegrams my best
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friend who's wedding I just talked about. She and I shared the receptionist job.
I had four hour worse in themorning, she had four hours in
the afternoon. And I would constantlyleave my writing behind accidentally. And at
the time I was very very biginto writing fan fiction on Sir Peter from
Oh Sir Peter Whimsey from Dorothy L. Sayers novels, and Yeah, so
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she thought I was crazy and Ithought she was always late because she was
love you Tan, But we endedup becoming very good friends. And I
just always wrote, and my dadkept encouraging me to write. Didn't really
start writing a novel Intien nineteen ninetyand my first novel was one hundred and
forty thousand words and went all overthe place, and it was a romance
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and yeah, it will never seethe light of day. But right after
that I joined Remsorters of America andin early two thousand and two, so
that's when I started writing whenever Icould. When you joined the romance writers
in America, how did that changeyour perspective on your craft in general?
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For yourself? Did that encourage it? Did it give you more connection?
What was the advantage to doing that? It was you had people who understood
what you were doing and who couldhelp you, and you could point out
the pitfalls and the It's like anythingelse, you know, you need tribe
around you to help you figure yourselfout. I mean, you can learn
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taro on your own, but it'sa lot more interesting to get other people's
input. So and it's the sameway with writing, because you want to
make sure your read or understands whatit is you're saying. And there are
some tricks of English that you,even though it sounds right in your ear,
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if you really start pursing the sentencetogether, you realize the person can't
do this at the same time asthey're doing that. So it gave you
that it was invaluable. It reallywas. I'm still a member. I've
been president of my local chapter,Los Angeles Romance Authors for two terms.
I've held every office there except fortreasurer because I refused to handle money.
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But yeah, if you're a writer, I highly highly encourage you to find
your local writers group. Whatever youmay be writing, it's gonna help.
Right. So then when did youpick up Tarot? I saw or when
posting about it in twenty sixteen,twenty seventeen, and I almost went to
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Newts in twenty seventeen, but thendecided not to, which I regret.
And I started looking around my officebecause I thought I had a couple Tarot
decks and turned out I had four. One was the Swiss Taro that was
the deck that Scott bought me whenI was thirteen, and I just I
didn't understand it. I thought itwas cool I didn't understand it, so
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I just tucked the way. Itjust followed me and I never lost it.
And then I bought Monty Farmer andFarmer and Amy's Darner's tapestry taro I
think it is the one that camewith the CD, and so half the
time the CD and the deck werenever in the same place. So now
they have them clipped together. They'reon my bookshelf somewhere, I think.
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And I don't remember the other twodecks I have, but I started talking
going through the decks and talking abouttaro Oh. I have a right of
white Smith, of course. Andthen a friend of mine sent me a
round deck, not the mother piecedeck, but it was a newer round
deck that was absolutely beautiful, andI really started getting into learning about the
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cards and about layouts and how Ifelt extremely inadequate about all of that.
And I took that round deck withme to my first news in twenty eight
and then they just kind of gotyou going in that direction, it sounds
like. And then kick starters anddecks past to me, and I've had
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decks come and go because there area lot of them I pick up for
whatever reason. And then realize theydon't resonate anymore. So I passed them
on, what one besides the onesthat you've had from childhood, what currently
is one deck that is still kindof stuck with you right now? I
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don't have it out here right now, but Chris Hanns deck, the light
sneers, Yeah, the light seriousdeck. And I do thoroughly enjoy the
Wiser Tarot. I love the coloringon that the back, just the way
they turned up the vibrancy. ButChris Hann's Light Serious deck is the one
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I use the most. It's inmy office travel baggery now. And you're
getting ready to head off to thewilds of the UK. What drew you
to going to the UK Tarot conferencethis year? You know, I'm not
sure. Mary and Kirk was speakingis speaking this year, and I she
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started talking to me about it.I think when we were at Star Khan
in January and then March, it'slike, you really should comes, you
really really should come. I comeall the way to Florida from Scotland.
You can come to the UK fromCalifornia, like, uh gos, bring
your husband. I went, Okay, that's a good idea. That's a
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really good idea, and then shesaid, and you know, maybe they'll
do a book signing or something likethat. So once I actually signed up,
I sent an email to Kim Arnold, is the organizer and yes,
general drive behind the UK Carret Conference, and said, do you know of
any bookstores that might be good forme to do a book signing since my
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book will be out in September andI think, you know, it's a
chance and she said sure, letme get put you in touch with the
folks at the Atlantis Bookshop and theywere extremely gracious and said we'd love to
have you, and so we setit up for Monday, October nine and
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two thirty And originally it was goingto be in the Gerald Gardner room,
which only seats about fifteen, butthere was gonna be tea and cakes and
I was going to talk and thenbook signing afterwards. And I got an
email from them saying we've been askingpeople if they were would be interested in
hearing you talk, and we've gotsuch a good response. Now we're actually
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moving your talk to the church aroundthe corner in the vestry. We're renting
out the vestry And I'm like,uh, what, Yeah, I was
just like gobsmacked. So now I'mshe goes, if you have a power
point, let me know we havewith other equipment you might need. And
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I'm like, oh my god,this is real. Like you know,
I could bullshit my way pardon myFrench through an hour with fifteen people.
It's a lot harder when you've gota bigger crowd. So there are more
people hopefully willing to ask questions.So that's extremely exciting and I'm hoping to
get graphics prettieston to start pushing that. But yeah, well we'll be sharing
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this hopefully very soon, so peoplewill get ready and to get excited for
it. Yeah. So are youdoing any other book signings in the US,
because I did see someone had asigned copy of your book and they
were and that person was Ethny Dawnof course, but I was just like,
oh, I want to, Iwant to, I want to see
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I want I want to. Yeah, well you get a signed copy right
now. There is one scheduled inSan Diego for October twenty one, first
a Tree of Life bookstore. Okay, yeah in Ocean Beach, and I'm
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really excited about that. That's gonnabe fun. And Madam Pamita's Parlor of
Wonders has they are literally twenty minutesdown the road for me. Oh nice,
Yeah, it's wonderful. So sheand I taught and I said,
hey, would you be interested inselling signed copies because I can come down
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any time and personalized copies and andif Byron Ballard does that with Malaprops,
which is a bookstore near her,and I thought, what a great way
to support a fellow artist, youknow, And so she agreed, and
so yeah, you can get asigned copy through Madam Pamidas Parler of Wonders.
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If she doesn't have any in,she will get more in. So
just put your name on the waitlist. I think right now she's she
still has copies. So that's howa few people got them early before.
I mean the release state technically istoday. Yes, I wonder if it's
not my kindle, but yeah,and I'm hoping to do as signing up
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in the Pacific Northwest. I don'tknow what time yet, but a friend
of mine's gonna put that together andI'd love to do one in sent in
the Bay Area. Okay, again, I don't have a I don't have
a pr person to put all thatstuff together for me, but we know
people, so we'll work on that. So then, what is your next
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venue or venture, if you willfor your writing? Are you going to
work on a magical book of yourown? Yes? Of course. Do
I know what direction that's going totake? No? Not at this point.
Right now, I'm working on afiction series, paranormal slow burn cozy
mystery type series that I don't havea contract for us, so I'm not
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going to say anything more about it. No, no, but I have
a publisher who's interested, which Iam so very grateful for. Fantastic And
what are some of the titles you'vealready written that you could share with us,
besides the wonderful Book of Pearls ofWisdom and of course Scott's new book
The Path Taken In Right now thereis oh my gosh, do I even
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remember? Guarded Hearts? New GuardedGuarded Star, Star Crossed and Rising Star
is my contemporary fiction series set looselyaround a Hollywood talent agency called Star Type
Talent. And then I have myKing Brothers paranormal series that's gone through a
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name change and I don't have themin paperback yet, but I'm working on
that they were Demon Sould, DemonHunt, and Demon Rage, and now
it's fractured Soul, Warrior Soul,an Ancient Soul, and Ancient Souls not
up yet. I'm sorry. I'vebeen very bad about that stuff and not
like you've not been busy or anything. Yeah. Yeah, I actually went
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to look for copies of that becausea friend of mine wanted them before we
do our interview later this month,and I had to get them on AB
books sold out why Picks pop wellout of print, right, the Demon
books are out of print technically,so it's yeah. So that just says
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that you know, people pay attentionand they're coming back. We're going to
be able to get them. That'ssuper exciting though, right, And of
course being able to chat with youmore about what your magical path is it's
been really interesting too. So wherehave you gone with some of that?
What is something you've found for yourselfthat spoke to you magically? Because I
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know you're a big fan of ByronBallad. In fact, because of you,
that's how I refound her, becauseI'd heard about her and then come
back to her. So what drawsyou magically? The very the simplest things,
the very simple things. Just thereis so much magic in a garden,
you know, watering, giving life, talking to the plants. Just
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you know, the daily the dailygratitude, which applies to whatever religion you're
in. I think I did abeing willing to fail. Not all spells
work, and I had one thatI failed spectacularly on. It was a
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binding spell on myself because there wasa habit I wanted to change. And
so you cover an egg, araw egg, in pencil with what you
want to change about yourself, andthen you wrap it in twine and you
put it in a baggy and stickit in the freezer for a month.
It's supposed to be a moon cycle. This is a Byron Ballard spell.
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And I promptly forgot about it.So it was in the freezer for oh,
I don't know, three months andbefore and when I remembered, I
went, oh, okay, soI need to take it out and let
it thaw before I release it,right, And you have to release it
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out. You don't want to releaseit anywhere on your own property. You
have to release it outside your ownproperty. So I had it in its
baggy sitting right here by my lefthand, on my desk for another oh
four months. Thank god, thatbaggy hilled egg started well, it was
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rotting. It started rotting and itwas leaking and it got mold on it.
And I had called Byron about somethingelse and I mentioned the spell to
her. She started laughing. Shedoes not all spells work, honey,
he just they just don't. Andthis one obviously didn't. So she said,
you take that and you get ridof that as soon as And it
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was probably a month after that talkthat I finally I just finally did it
last week. It was just like, I felt so stupid. But you
know, if you don't it's practice. If you don't practice, you don't
get better. It's like anything else. And it's a daily thing. You
know, you don't you don't expectto be a concert pianist by practicing once
(29:56):
every month exactly worked by some month. You know, it's just it doesn't
happen. You can't become an excellent, prolific writer if you write a paragraph
a year, right, So it'sit's it's those baby steps. It's it's
the learning. It's taking the joyand learning and reading everything I can,
(30:18):
paying attention, you know, justto life. Yeah, well, thank
you for taking some time to chatwith me and share the information with my
listeners. We're gonna have a lotof the links of the decks you talked
about Madame Palmida's Parlor of Wonder whereyou could pick up Christine's signed copies of
her book. We'll also have alink to where Christine's other books are available.
(30:40):
And just thank you for taking thetime to chat with us today,
Christine. Oh, you're so welcome. I have one more thing, yes,
ma'am, I wanted to mention I'mdoing an online book launch on Friday
the eighth at six thirty pm viaInstagram Live. Okay, And on Friday,
I have Nicholas Pearson, James Devine, are When Professional joy Seeker,
(31:07):
Princess, Stephanie Roseberg, Amy Blackthorne, Matt arn and Jessica Illis is going
to be with me. Oh veryfun. Yeah. And Saturday morning at
ten thirty again Instagram Live, I'mgonna have Storm Fairy Wolf, Amy Emperhart,
Beverly Frabele and Jamie Alford and allof those people were contributors to the
books, So they're going to talkabout the book and about Scott and about
(31:30):
what they're doing and so it shouldbe very fun. I would love to
have a lot of people there.Oh brilliant. Well then again, I'm
gonna have to get this edited intoright away. This will be going up
on the eighth, so oh perfect. Yes, So thank you so much
and we look forward to talking toyou more later. Thank you, Rose.
(31:52):
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Our theme music is belting Celtic firedDance by Julius H. Michael Charbonneau is
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