A Father, Two Sons, and a Galaxy Far, Far Away- Our Andor Finale Celebration at Lucasfilm

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Free audio post production by Alphonic dot Com. Weird miss us.
Probably not. Probably not a few people did. Ex there
we go h you know in classic Tattooine Suns fashion.
Our return to the podcasting world started this last weekend

(00:26):
with an amazing experience that it was pretty it was
pretty good highlight of of the weekend for you, Well,
it was going first, Well, man, I ate a great
burger skern. That's it. That was you know, I can't
think of anything, says asked Skywalkers we were there, saying Sam, Man.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't know, it's really tough to pick something specific.
But I always love being able to go to Lucasfilm. Yeah,
there's just something special about being there.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's such a cool.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
But then of course, yeah, get is at a freaking
Skywalker ranch. Yeah, I'm wearing my hat that I got
from there now.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah. And then for me, it was being at Lucasfilm
with a series of podcasts that I put on a
level to say, someday, I hope we're as successful as
they are when we were at Lucasfilm the last time
we'll explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Welcome to Tattooine Sons, a Star Wars podcast. The only
fan podcast to name a cannon Star Wars creature, and
to be endorsed by the writer and director of The
Last Jedi, Ryan Johnson. Get ready to celebrate a galaxy far,
far away across the generations. Here are your hosts, David

(01:42):
the bow Tie, Jedi Guy, Samuel the Hutt, and B. B.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Nate. Welcome Star Wars fans.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
This is Tatooine's Sons, your weekly look into all things
Star Wars from the unique perspective of a father sharing
his love for the amazing space fantasy saga with his
two sons.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I am B. B. Nate and I'm joined first by
my brother, Samuel the Hut.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
A chewta Star Wars fans. And if you're not a
Star Wars fan, Hello, that's what a chewe to means.
I figured it's been a minute, probably might need to
like explain what that means.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
In front of it. I literally had to look it
up to make sure I spelled it the red because
I was afraid I was going to curse easy.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Please don't do that. Yeah, don't don't start this new
new episode with that with that. Yeah, And of course
you can't have Star Wars without bizarre father figures. So
on that note, here's my dad, the bow tie Jedi guy.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bow tie Jedi guy. You know, I remember in twenty
six fifteen, what was it twenty fifteen when the first
weekends came out Force Awakens? Was it twenty Fifcember fifteen
in the theater getting ready to watch a new Star Wars,
the first Star Wars film since the prequels, and being

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really really nervous that it wasn't going to work. And
once we got about five to ten minutes into that movie,
I remember thinking, they nailed it. This feels like Star Wars.
And that's sort of the feeling I've got right now.
We're back, we're recording again. It was great to hear

(03:17):
the original intro. Yes by memory, by the way, a
wild thing though it is for me to hear that
talking down, Yeah, well, Star Wars, because when we first
started recording this thing in December twenty seventeen, I was
way up here. Yeah no, I can't even I don't
even know if I can do that high anymore. Don't
even try going.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
A little sad, but yeah, it's crazy. It's been it's
been a minute, it's been a hot minute since since
we've even done that intro, and that intro came from
our YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Which is more Wait Wait, Wait Wow, which is lost
the Way Back. Yeah, it did.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's lost media now, so as it should be. I
literally cannot find it anywhere. We can't even find deleted
them all. It's for the gone, the only Yeah, I
can find it. Probably, So it's been it's been a
few months.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's been I think since August of twenty twenty four
since we recorded. We'll talk a little bit more at
the end of the episode today about what's been happening
with us and a kind of we'll touch If you
want to hear the whole story, you can find a
link in the show notes to an article that I
wrote on our substack that'll lay out the entire story
as to where we've been, why we're back, and where

(04:24):
we're going. We'll touch a little bit on it, but
we don't need to spend a lot of time on
the podcast here. But it has been a while. The
world has changed a lot for a little bit since
we last recorded an episode. Sam, anything new in your world?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think of it. I yeah,
I can't think anything. No, I mean I bought a house,
I am on my own way, my own You didn't
know about it. I was in let's see where April,
early April, so a little over a month now, about
a month and a half.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's been going well.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I like it a lot. It's it's a blessing. The
house is awesome, super blessed to have, and we're super blessed.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's like a mile and a half. Yeah, recording because
like dinner and all that, whenever you want.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, it's good because now I can I don't have
to like zoom call in to record or anything. Yeah,
because except we did have to do something weird with
the and or you didn't want to come over for
and or because it came out so late. Yeah, I
have to like try to start it at the same
time from houses and coordinating. And sometimes I would text
him something and be like, whoa, this happened, and you'd
be like, I'm not there yet, or vice versa happened

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to be like, dude, I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So that was a little strange. It was something new
that we've had to encounter.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
But that's what happens when you released three hour long
episodes at eight o'clock at night.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, you have working. Yeah, we were at the we
were at Lucasfilm. We were hanging with some of the
other creators and some people from Lucasfilm and talking about
just some different things that were happening. And it was
funny to hear a couple of the other podcasts out
there kind of realized that the little kids from Tattooed
Sons are no longer little kids now and uh. And
one of the people from Lucasfilm was like, well, you

(06:06):
bought a house. I haven't even bought a house.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, buying a house in southern Alabama is a lot
different than buying a house in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, it's very different. And they you're you finished? What
are we calling it your frosh more year? Is that
that sounds wrong? But I don't know if it's a
good way to say.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
But yes, I have finished my first physical year at college.
But like credits wise, it was my sophomore year, so
I'm a fresh more, frosh more something. I will be
a June more this next upcoming year. But it went well, busy,
just slightly busy, but a lot of a lot of
a lot of events, yes, a lot of events. I

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think I'm pretty sure. I had something every week. It
felt like I did have, especially towards the last couple,
especially towards the end. Yes, we uh, we had a
lot going on, but on top of classes and everything else.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
But overall it went well. It was fun. I learned
a lot. It's why I was just being involved in everything.
It was. It was a ton of fun and I
should be learning even more soon hopefully absolutely getting into
the studio more. Yeah, the goal is which is the goal,
and I can't wait for that because it's gonna be
a ton of fun. Absolutely, And then I guess my
biggest events. We're all I turned a D since the

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last time we recorded. I'm with it so wow old
And to speaking of fifty, I was like, I was like, already,
I'm already thinking of the fiftieth anniversary of Star Wars.
I think Star Wars Celebration in Los Angeles, and it's
gonna be a ton of fun. Betting excited about that,
playing really cool being there, hoping to be in LA.

(07:41):
I was talking with Spencer Javits from Oh Yeah, Virtual
Canteen and Network and the Facebook celebration group that the
largest one there at ninety seven thousand, right, Now that's crazy.
Clear one hundred thousand, where they're going to have enough
room to put people, Well, they're not going to they're
not gonna have that much. Well, no, they don't have
that many people there. But they're there anticipating about one
hundred from what he understands, at the convention, and they're

(08:05):
anticipating between one hundred and twenty five one hundred and
fifty thousand people on That is wow, a celebration. So
that's wild. So as in the Star Wars world, a
couple of things have happened. Skeleton Crew Skeleton.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that was really good and I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
It was sort of a perfect blend of something that's
for kids and also for us old guys like me.
That felt like I was watching goonies. And yeah, I
felt like the good old Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I really did like it. It just felt it was
fun and I look forward every week. And it wasn't heavy,
unlike unlike the one that just finished.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, and that is and or we're gonna talk a
little bit about and or reactions to share a little
bit about that, but in the context of our trip
to lucasfilm right, and how it was to experience that
final episode of and Or in the Lucasfilm Theater with

(09:01):
an amazing sound system basings plus like one hundred and
fifty plus crazy Star Wars fans most had to be
more than that. Yeah, and then go straight into Rogue
one with it. And that was at the end of
a day that was already pretty amazing. We're going to
talk a lot about all of that, including our trip

(09:22):
to Skywalker Ranch. This is what the fun is again,
is Stean A. You're probably pretty excited before we get
into and Or and all this other stuff. I mean,
we should probably acknowledge the trailer that released this last week.
You're pretty pretty good iron Heart. I have you guys
watched iron Heart yet? Have you? Have you? I haven't
watched it, have you they? I haven't. Sam, you watched

(09:45):
it quickly quick reaction. It looks okay. I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm trying not to be grumpy about it. It just
doesn't I know, it looks so unrelated to anything iron
Man except the name only and the fact that she's.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Got a suit, and just you bring in Mephisto.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
And you're like, well, I don't know about Mephisto. What
I mean I haven't. There was nothing in the trailer.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
He's in it, Sasha, Baron Cone, Baron Cone Borat, Yeah
what ye okay?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Anyway that that just feels it just feels weird, like
I don't know, I have thoughts about the character.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's sort of the reaction that you have to the
trailer is sort of my reaction to the whole series.
I'm just not so true. I really care and I'll
still watch it. Oh yeah, I we'll watch it.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I'll watch it, but I don't know if it's something
i'll watch weekly release.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
But there is something that we're definitely going to watch
the earliest opportunity that we can.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Watch it probably Superman the movie before. Oh that's what
the Superman just Superman. Superman the movie is the seventies.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was at the Chris Reeve. Now that's why he could.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Actually, that's why James Gunn was allowed to change the
title to from Superman Legacy to Superman is because the
official title of the Chris Read movie is Superman the Movie.
He is now allowed to title this one Superman. And
that new trailer looked amazing. I mean it looks super.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So explain to me, because you're the comic book, the
DC comic book super tried, No, you don't try. You
in this household? Yeah, well, I don't know very many
people that are that's much of a nerd about to
DC comics. And then they what is it about this
James gun version of Superman? We've gotten the teaser, now,

(11:32):
we've gotten the trailer, we've gotten behind the scenes. Look
that showed about the Fortress of Solitude. That that's that feature.
The thing that played in front of Minecraft, which was good,
the crypto scene, Well, okay, I thought that's what That's
what I was talking about. Yeah, okay, what is it
about James Gunn's Superman that gives you such hope as

(11:57):
a d C comic books? Well, for starters, there not
a gray filter over everything.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
And everything's not just black. It makes you wonder if
your TV is broken, which has been a struggle with
with some other Superman movies recently. But I think, honestly,
I feel like we can.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Accurately portray this Superman and what James Gunn is trying
to do with him, just from this trailer and the
interview between Lewis Lane and Clark or Superman. At this point,
she's really asking him. The questions that was, let's just
be honest was an issue that a lot of people
had with Zack Snyder. Superman, the consequences, what is he doing?

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He's a representative of America more than anything, because he
kind of was at some points in Batman vs. Superman,
which didn't feel right. It didn't sit right with me personally.
I'm one of those few, not for sure a few people,
but I'm one of those people that do like the
change of the motto, don't truth, justice and a better
tomorrow tomorrow versus don't at me.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I know, I.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Know that's a hot take, but I've never thought of
Superman as an American. I mean, he came from Krypton
and he's here to protect Earth, not just America and
America's ideals. He's here to protect truth and justice and
looking for a better tomorrow the hope of Superman, and

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we see it in this trailer. Lois Lane is like,
well what about the consequence? What about the people? And
He's like, people were going to die, Like did not
matter what the government thought, did not matter what the
press thought. The only thing going through his mind was
I've got to help these people. I don't care what
happens after that, and that's Superman always wanting to do

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the right thing and always being hopeful. And then we
see it in this other people helping Superman up because
the city of Metropolis is also a huge deal with Superman.
The civilians, he says, saving him as well is a
big deal and something that we've seen in comics a
lot before, even with the death of Superman and the
civilians and that and how they treated Superman during the

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Doomsday Battle, and it's not something that we've had for
quite a long time. I mean, Christopher Reeve and maybe
even Brandon Routh to an extent, we got that. But
I mean Henry Cavill, he's a great actor.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think he.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Got a bad shake when it came to Superman. I'll
live by the ideology that Man of Steel is a
great Superhero movie.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I don't think it's a good Superman movie. I mean,
I really enjoy the movie. I think it's very well made.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
But this one, I'm seeing everything that I want to
see about Superman, and it's just hope and he's got
a dog, and he has a dog.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
He got Crypto Sam. When I watched this latest the
full trailer that that just released last week. When I
watched it, I couldn't help but get mc use civil
War vibes. Like there's this group that works officially for
the government. What is it Justice Society or j I

(15:10):
it's Justice Gang, It's what some people are calling it.
But it feels like they're in an official capacity, right,
And then you have Superman who's not wanting to be,
you know, tied to some official organization that just wants
to have the freedom. Yeah, it's like Captain right thing,
which reminds me a lot of cap in the Civil War,
with the Czekovie Accords and things like that. Did you

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do you feel like there could be too much of
a similarity or a parallel to what's going on with that.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
No, I don't think Superman is gonna have ever really
butt heads with the Justice Gang, That's what I'm gonna
call it. I don't think they're ever gonna like butt
heads or anything. But I think there's gonna be that that.
I think they're gonna want him to join up throughout
the whole movie because he could be, you know, a
huge asset to the team. But like you mentioned, he's

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not gonna want to be tied down by beerocracy and
having to you know, take orders, because it's very clear
from this trailer he wants to help people win and
where wherever he can, wherever he's needed, not where.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
He's told to go.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So I doubt we'll see any conflict from that, but
it will be an interesting world setup because we know
that Superman is eventually going to have to join the
Justice League. I mean it's just part of d C.
So there's going to be that kind of tug, you know,
tug of war. I'm sure pushbowl throughout the movie that

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you know, maybe at the end we'll see him join
up or maybe not, but I think that we'll get
some development in there as to his mindset of working
on a team with a team.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So, yeah, Nate in the trailers. I don't think it's
necessarily specifically shown in the Superman trailer, but there is
allusions to it that are shown clearly in the new
Peacemaker trailer that Trask is involved actually played by Sean Gunn. Yes,

(17:06):
so that's Maxwell Lord. Oh, is that we've gotten this?
So Trask is the is the company? Yes?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Ok?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is that right part of the company? Yes? But Maxwell
Lord is the leader of that was who Pedro Pascal's
character wasn't Wonder Woman eighty five, and now.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Seawn Gunn's playing this version of him, which I've heard
amazing things. Well, I'm curious because it is there any
precedent within the comic books for Trask and Mask, what
Maxwell Lord and all of that to have this this
like organizing this group of superheroes I'm trying to face.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Sometimes, Argus, which I think is the group you're thinking of,
probably does put together a group of superheroes. It can
be JLI, the Justice International. That's probably where they're going
with it. Maxwell Lord is sometimes involved with that.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Maxwell Lord is also sometimes a bad guy and sometimes
a good guy. It depends on the version of the
character you're looking at. I don't know where they're going
to go with it in this one. Probably more just
an anti hero more than anything with with Maxwell Lord.
But I think we're going to be seeing a lot
of I don't I don't believe we're going to see
Superman join the Jail. I I think that we need

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both Batman and Superman to help form the Justice League,
because it's Superman that convinces Batman of the team, and
it's Batman that forms it, So I feel like that
would be that would hit a lot more. But the
thing is, I don't know what the Batman of this
universe is going to like, you haven't finished. Some people
are some people are like, it's gonna be Matt Reeve's Batman,

(18:40):
because in the most recent trailer you can see a
news major floods devastate city and everybody's like, oh, well,
that's what happens at the end of the Batman, and
I'm like, people just it's just regular floods, Like, it's
not going to be It's not Gotham, and if it is.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
That's big flat on on record. Instead it's they have
they have, So I don't believe that it's going to
be that. But I don't know what that Man's going
to look like. Because the next but the next filming
Supergirl they did.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
I think that's the next DCU movie coming out next year,
which is an interesting next step in the series. I'm
very much looking forward to it, though I think overall
we're going to be seeing a lot of established universe
instead of just kind of starting the universe.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, we get that feeling from the opening to this trailer,
because it opens with Lois knowing we are one hundred
percent confirmed now knowing that Superman and Clark are one
and the same, right right, and that's an established universe
type thing. We don't We're not going to go through
the process of her not picking up on who Superman

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is and working with Clark and that weirdness that it's
kind of a gimmick. It is so in a Superman Yeah,
we're gonna it seems like we're going to be starting
the story with them fully aware, so we're in the
middle of that conversation. Really, I'm also curious. I heard that,
I think it was James Gunn came out this week

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after the trailer and said that that conversation between Lois
and Superman is actually like eleven or twelve minutes long
perfect in the movie. Do you think that that's too
long of a conversation In that exposition, it'll be it's
probably gonna be him or interspersed with clips of him

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fighting the monster, the Kaiju monster, and it'll be like
them recapping that fight while also debating and discussing it.
So I think it's going to be a dual purpose conversation.
So I think that's.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
What's gonna I don't know, even if it's just a conversation.
I don't believe that that's a problem. I think we're
audiences are more accustomed to a long run time, and
I truly believe that we're okay seeing a conversation between
Lois and Superman. Because let's just be honest, what's one
of the most memorable scenes from the original Superman movie.
It was this conversation, the interview with Superman, and so

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them taking that into account and putting it in this
but making it more of a hard hitting thing than
a oh, Lois is just in awe of Superman and
making it more of a conversation of who are you Superman?
Giving us the Politzerprize winning piece that Lois wins with
instead of it just being like it felt weird that
Lois would have won with that interview with Superman, which

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I know that, like later on it's established that she
did in the Superman Returns movie, it feels weird, like
it just doesn't feel like the right vibe for a
Pulitzer Prize winning piece, and so making it a hard hitting,
down on Earth truth searching interview allows Superman to go
onto this path of finding out who he really is

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he's a hero now?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
But what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And I think that's what we're going to be finding
that a lot in this in this movie, and I
think it's.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Gonna be great. I can't wait. I'll ask Nathan in
a second. I think I already know the answer. I'm
amps one hundred percent sure I know the answer. But
Nate or Sam. There's two super blockbuster superhero movies coming
out within weeks of each other in July. Obviously Superman
in July eleventh, and then on the twenty fifth. I

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think of July is Fantastic four first Steps? Which one
are you most excited about? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
No, I mean I equal, It's just they're different. I'm
excited for both in different ways. I can't really pick one.
They're so different. I mean, you don't.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I don't have to. You don't have to pick.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Between Marvel and DC anymore. I feel like it's you know,
you don't have to have that mindset. I'm equally excited
for both. I think Superman's going to set up a
good universe, It's going to give us an interesting ride.
I think Fantastic four is going to be a different
entry to the MCU. So I think they're both gonna
be goodman.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
What no doubt.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I can't wait to see where we go with a
more comic accurate universe for DC.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I want to see that. I want to see the
colorful comic books on the screen, which is something that
we've even struggled.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
To get a little bit in the MCU. It always
fel like the MCU is just.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
A grounded version of superheroes that follow loosely what the
comics do. I want to see comic books on screen,
and you can have the dark. There's no doubt that
DC has the dark, but you can also have the
hopeful can't be light, and I want that too, because
it's something that superhero movies are scared to lean into,
but James Gunn never has been. We've seen it with

(23:39):
the Guardians the movies. They feel just like the comics,
and they do a very good job with keeping that
camp beside the cheesy, corny crazy jokes and leading into
very very serious emotional moments. I mean, we have Guardians three,
for an example, being one of the most emotional movies
we've gotten in the end see You, while also having

(24:01):
some really fun, weird moments of jumping around and floating
around in brightly colored space suits and fun jokes. So well,
let me ask it this way.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Then I'll start with you, Nate, and then you Sam.
Which franchise has more writing on the success of their
movie DC, the DCU with the the launch of this
in the as a film franchise with Superman or Marvel

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the Marvel Cinematic Universe with with Fantastic for a proper
a series of characters that have not been portrayed well
in film ever at a time when Marvel seems to
be missing as much as hitting with certain things. Which

(24:52):
franchise has more writing on their success Superman or DC. Yeah,
I feel like DC.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
I feel like if this doesn't not get out of
the park, people are not going to give it a
fair shake. And it's a different it's a different climate
than what it was with Ironman. If Ironman didn't do well,
you can shrug it off and make the next one,
and if it did amazing, you would be fine.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right because there's nothing established. But with DC, if Superman
doesn't go well, people are not going to give you
another chance. With Supergirl especially, people just don't don't want
to and it's a hard climate to break through with
superhero universes right now, and I feel like Marvel Fantastic

(25:34):
four is even mediocre, people are still going to be
excited about it and then want to go see Doomsday. Yeah,
people are always going to see Marvel movies. It's just
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
That's just a case. But with DC they have, they
have a lot of pressure. I would not I do
not envy James Gun right now.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, well, we're gonna talk a little bit more about
one of those recent or Marvel Cinematic Universe movies here
in just a few minutes. But before that, we are resurrecting.
Along with this podcast, we are bringing back one of
my favorite segments from the past, bad news. Well you
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it's not really saying what it thinks. It's very click maybe,
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have opportunities. I just picked the one that has the
most much true. This one is about an R rated
Darth Vader. The actual article title was Star Wars History
Changed Forever well as R rated racist Darth Vader character

(27:20):
goes viral Samuel the Hutt. If you were just scrolling
through Facebook, if you were mom, yeah, I didn't know
necessarily about the history of certain things like this and
you read that title, what would that make you think?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think, you know, wow, you know Disney's really going
off the rails with Star Wars or you know that
typical kind of mindset, because the headline sounds pretty.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Misleading. It's very misleading of the headline when you know
what it actually is talking about. What do you think
that the headline would seem to seem to suggest, Nate, Oh, yeah,
like Sam Disney went off the rails, like, well, what
do you think that they're saying happened? Like, if you
were to take it, what would be the conclusion that
you were saying about I don't know how Disney went
off the rails, like is it a show? Is it
a property?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I was something official that they've died. Would probably be
like a show or something like of what because if
you're not tied into Star Wars and you see this,
if you're not tied into Star Wars, then you're gonna
see this and be like, oh my gosh, I must
have missed a show or something. What did Disney do?

Speaker 4 (28:25):
But if you're tied in Star Wars, like pretty much anybody,
you'd be like Darth Vader hasn't been in a show
since Kenoby, Like what are they talking about? Why talk
about this now? And he was fine in Kenoby? So
I mean, yeah, it's it would be frustrating for people
that don't know what's going on. So I dug into
the article, started reading it and knew what I was.

(28:46):
I knew I was going to find that the article
headline did not match up what was in it. It's
actually a history of Darth Vader and a history of
James Earl Jones where there's one paragraph that mentions something
weird that happened with a new AI version voiced version.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
In So right now I've actually like encountered it. So
right now, Fortnite, the popular video game, is doing a
whole season where it's all Star Wars themed. So there's
like ships like you can fly Xwings Tie Fighters. All
the guns are like Star Wars blasters light. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, it's a cosmetic skin you can get, but it's
really fun. I've been I've been planning it on and
off here and they just recently added a new function
where excuse me, if you defeat there's like an AI.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well I say AI.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
There's like a non player controlled Darth Vader running around
the map and if you defeat him, you can recruit
him as a partner and he like joins your squad
and fights with you. But they added a a feature
to where you can communicate with him. So you'll hold
down a button and you talk to Darth Vader like
he's a part of your squad, and then using an

(30:08):
AI like text platform along with the James Earl Jones
Darth Vader voice modulator, the AI will respond to your prompts,
just like you would do with whenever you're talking like
chat GBT or so you know that essentially it's it's
using your voice to talk to a version of chat
GBT or something like that and then running it through
Darth Vader AI voice filter and it'll talk with you.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's really cool. Actually, it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's pretty pretty impressive. I was, you know, I actually
got to experience it in a game where I like
had him. I was part of my squad, and it
was a.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
The what the headline's talking about is just like with
any you know, it's like that, this is why we
can't have nice things. We'll always come around and ruin stuff, right,
especially when it comes to AI. The first thing anyone
ever tries to do with AI when it's released to
the public is they try to break it somehow, right,
get it to say something ridiculous. And so of course

(31:03):
people found a way to jail break the Darth Vader
into saying stupid things like cusswords and racial slurs and
all that stuff. Right, you know, it's dumb, And of
course people have gotten him to say silly things too,
which is really funny.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
But that's fine. Yeah, I don't care about that. I
hear Darth Vader to say silly things too, like right,
but people have have found a way to get him
to say not appropriate things, and that's what this is
talking about. So this has nothing to do with the
Disney creating an R rated.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Now, this is people ruining nice things. And Fortnite has
within a day gone through and released an update that
fixed the issue, so it can't happen anymore. So this
is already old news that was never news to begin with.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, exactly, So I would think that the bigger controversy,
and correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but one of the
bigger controversies in this is an AI generated version of
Darth Vader that's in an official property. So how is it?
How is Fortnite and I guess this is you know,
licensed by Disney and Lucasfilm for this. How are they

(32:12):
getting away with creating an AI version of Darth Vader.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, the the state of James ol Jones has signed
off on this and has been a part of his family,
has been part of the double process the entire time.
The issue that has been coming to light today though
as of recording is sag After has sued Epic Games

(32:36):
and said a ceason assist because it was not made
public information that they would be doing anything AI, especially
with James L. Jones going against the sag After rules
that was just established during the strike agreement. So that's
causing issues.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Like Sam said, we can't have anything fun, But in
this case, it feels a little bit different. That doesn't
make a whole lot of sense to me. No offense.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, okay, using AI in film I'm not really
a fan of.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
But in.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
This case, and especially in cases where the actor is
no longer with us and the actor's family estate or
whatever have signed off on it, it's a little different.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
In my mind.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I get that because I mean, yeah, there are impersonators
who have done a great James Earl Jones, but it's
not the same. Also, this isn't for a movie. This
is done as a fun, silly, little gimmick in a
video game for people to mess around with for a
limited time thing. This isn't gonna stay around permanently. This

(33:45):
is probably gonna go away in two or three weeks.
They may end up doing similar things going down the
line with other characters, just like what precedent.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Are they said that's fair in this field? And what
are they thinking of doing and everything?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
But I I don't know if I have a problem
with it particularly I haven't encountered it. But if people
are having fun with it, I think it's all right.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It's not to me. I think the most important thing
is did the family sign off on it right? And
if did James or Jones sign off? I think that
he did sign off on a likeness being used when
he after he passed away, so everything should be above board.
I think SAG is just trying to stop anything before
it starts, which I completely understand, especially when it comes

(34:27):
to a because people have already had this issue happen.
People were some actors were taken in said say these
ten lines, and they did, and then they started using
them for voice, which is a very different scenario from
what we're doing, very different, very different. So there's a
lot that's just going on. I completely understand.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
The nervousness that SAG has, but I think it's not
not a hum month.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, it's a new thing that we're just going to
have to learn how to navigate going forward.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, and everything. I'm surprised to be sure, but it
welcome on. Let's get back to the MCU a little bit.
We're talking about this. Ten minutes ago we were talking
about Superman and yeah that let us talking about the
DCU and the MCU and the and everything else. Well,
there's been an MCU movie that came out within the
last few weeks. There's been two since we've recorded. Well,
there's been, yeah, but the last few weeks specifically, which

(35:19):
is which is Thunderbolts New Adventures Come on, Samuel, Yes,
the hut that's me is this is Thunderbolts the movie.
The mc you needed to get back on stride from
your perspective, all right, I Marvel has gone through this
those past phase where it's I've seen so many memes
about it. It's like the it's all over, We're so back.

(35:42):
It's all over, We're so back, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Every it's an alternating thing which pattern still has held up,
which makes me a little nervous about Fantastic four if
it's going to follow the pattern.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm I'm not saying it's tweet Daredevil and I'm talking movies.
I'm talking about movies. Okay, your world was not that bad.
It wasn't great. Though I'm not saying it was all either. Yeah,
I'm not saying it was like a bad movie. It
just was Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'm not saying F four is going to be bad.
I just if it holds up the pattern would say
that it's going to be bad anyway. So sure, is
this one the one where it's you know, we're so back?
I guess it was a great movie.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I loved it. What did you love so much about it?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, I think I'm getting to that. I think the
thing that's most important about what this movie did is
the problem we've had in Marvel so far is there
hasn't been a cohesive group, a single group of characters
that we can look at as ah, here's kind of
the central point of Marvel going forward for a bit.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, with the first few phases, it was you know,
Marvel cap iron Man, Marvel iron Man cap or Yeah,
you know, the big event characters, right. You followed them
throughout the first the whole Infinity saga, and they threw
in some side characters here and there. They were great,
they were fun, but you always kind of had that
that focal point, right.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
The last few phases haven't had that. There's it's just
been jumping around here and there and nothing happened. Then
you could this jump comes back, yeah, right right. With
this movie, it finally kind of established Hey, here's a
group of characters from multiple different projects coming together as

(37:33):
a team. And most importantly, fans like the characters.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
All the characters nobody naw one. But they killed them
hurt well, but they did it in a funny way,
like they were totally self aware about it too. I mean,
no spoilers.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I mean spoilers, yeah, if you haven't seen it at
this point, but I mean they killed task Masters so unceremoniously,
they looted the body afterwards. I mean they were just
basically like wiping their hands, cleaning. All Right, we made
a mistake with that one. Let's just move on, kind
of think. So now with the Thunderbolts, New Avengers, whatever,
all the characters are fan adored. It's a group that

(38:10):
we can kind of focus on going forward, and going
to the post credit scene, it already seems like they're
going to be using this group as a as that hinge,
as that focal point for the rest of the larger story,
because we know the next movie coming up, the next
big one is Doomsday. Obviously he's gonna have to tie
into Fantastic Four. So it's smart that they're using Thunderbolts

(38:34):
to bring in the Fantastic Four into that main focal point,
into that central idea so we can move forward into
the main story. I think that was what's most critical
about this movie, is it set up the new group
that we can we'll.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Come back to that date. Before the opening weekend was done,
I think they were officially changing the name of this
movie on billboards and going public on all their social
media challenges with the big reveal that the asterisk at
the end of Thunderbolts was because they weren't the Thunderbolts anymore.

(39:10):
They were the New Avengers, and that got out there.
Did they reveal that too soon?

Speaker 4 (39:15):
In your opinion, maybe maybe just a little too soon,
But also I don't think it affected much for the
overall plot. It's you go in with New Avengers, you're
wondering what happens. You eventually find it out. They are
trying to get everything set and in people's minds for Avengers,

(39:36):
Jomsday just they need to get things established, and so
switching it as soon as you can, thinking, oh, the
Thunderbolts with the new Avengers. We have the Avengers now.
For the casual fans that are looking at that, like, oh,
we got the Avengers now, and then you have Fantastic
four coming up, you're like, oh, I've heard of them.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I watched a really like really weird bad movie in
twenty sixteen or whatever twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, or the really weird campy Ones in two thousand
and five, and like, I used to watch that. I
guess I'm making a new one. There'll be a part
of Avengers. Like getting all of that established in people's
minds as soon as they can, I think, is what
the MCU, what Marvel was trying to do, and maybe
too soon, but also.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I think they were probably trying to get ahead of spoilers. Honestly, exactly,
you're gonna get spoiled on it either way. I know
people that saw it the day it came out, not
preview day, the day the official release that were already
spoiled on it.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
So it's just the day and age we live in.
You're just if you don't see it opening night, you're
probably gonna get spoiled. Heck, if you even see it
opening night, opening night, like preview night, You're probably gonna
find some way to get pretty much, so it happens.
I don't believe it was a bad decision, just an
unfortunate one.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Sam. Do you think that actually it played in to
a larger marketing strategy to try to generate excitement about
this after opening weekend with the casual that may or
may not have been excited about this movie, but now
calling it New Avengers after opening weekend makes them say, well,

(41:08):
I gotta go see what this is, all right?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, I mean before it was The Thunderbolts, which if
you're not familiar with Marvel, you got no clue what
that means, right, But you put the title New Avengers
on there, like, oh, I remember the Avengers.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Those were cool. I guess I'll go. So everybody knows
about the as.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Movie, right, So yeah, it could be that, hey, let's
bring in the casuals into this. But I I think
it was still too soon because it was like a
day or two after the movie came out. I mean,
it was way too soon. But it is a kind
of a fun little gimmick. Well, it was better than

(41:45):
the whole Agatha all along trick. They try to pull
that didn't work.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
That was dumb. It was just annoying because it did
it so many times, like all right, whatever, we don't
care anymore. But with this at least it was like
throughout the whole lead up, what's the asterisks? Now? I
find it out right? I think it was good and
it was cool to see Sebastids stand going to bus
stops and changing out posts. Yeah, that was funny. That
was fun Yeah, Nate, from your perspective, how does this

(42:10):
film set up Fantastic Four and Doomsday?

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Obviously the post credit scene setting up I think the
post credit scene was pretty much all of the setup
that we had. I mean, this movie was establishing the characters,
establishing the group, but that post credit scene did all
the heavy lifting. You had the tease of Bucky and
Sam butting heads over the Avengers, and knew.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You feel about that because we kind of got past
that and now it's back again. I don't know. I'm
sure there's a lot more to it than we expect.
I think it'll be interesting to see what happens. But
also it's what fourteen months later from Thunderbolts that we
see that, So fourteen or sixteen months, so a lot
can happen. Yeah, we'll have to see what ends up happening.

(42:55):
I think that with Fantastic Four, obviously we see the
Fantastic Four coming to Earth. When that will take place
in the movie, I really don't know. In the Fantastic movie, Yeah,
I don't know if it'll be at the end or
maybe even in the middle or three quarters of the
way through, and then have some of it set in
the MCU world. I don't know. Was it, well, isn't

(43:19):
This wasn't that scene the post credit scene directed by
the Russo brothers. It was directed on the set of Doomsday,
So yeah, we'll have to see. I'm not sure. Could
it be a scene from Doomsday like they did with
the original Captain America post credit scene that was actually
a scene from the first Avengers movie. It could be,

(43:40):
But then that makes it feel a little weird, like
what is the point of Fantastic for if we all
know where this is going to lead? So like, well,
we don't though, we don't. We don't know the setup. Oh,
we don't understand all that they're coming from. What sends
them on the trajectory that we see in this and this?
You know, there's some that believe this was just a
scene from Doomsday that I could see that. Yeah, oh tangent,

(44:00):
Did y'all see the person that's snuck onto the dude's
day set yesterday? No, dude recorded his entire time. He
just hopped over a fence, walked around like he owned
the place, took video of you having no had he
had a full black get up. Dude looked suspicious. Nobody
stopped him. He went, he grabbed coffee from the cast table.

(44:22):
He has video recording of coffee from the cast table,
and walked out security and he literally put into his
video Disney, do better with your security. Yeah, was there
anything revealed? I mean we saw we saw madrapoor a
magic porn market, which I think has to do it
was all the way back to is that X men
had to do with falconmen or soldier that's where Sheryl. Yeah,

(44:46):
so people are wondering and they saw it. May have
seen simul loose, so it might be shan cheese stuff.
But nothing was revealed. He at least was respectful enough
to do that.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
But I think he was just trying to his point,
like kind of like, dudey y'all got to do some
better work if I can in who everybody can pretty much.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I thought that was funny. I had to mention that
that came out yesterday. That was funny, all right. Well,
speaking of going to places that you didn't think you
could get into, we didn't have to hop a fence.
We didn't have to hop a fence for this, but
we did have to go through security and we did
not get stopped like Sheldon in Big Bank. There, you've
taken your first step into a larger word. I guess
you can catch lightning in a bottle twice apparently, so

(45:24):
I think we've caught it like seventeen times. Yeah, every
time we think. Every time we think that it can't
happen again, or something weird like this can't happen, which
started all the way back with Turbis the Port. Sixty
days after we started the Black Houst, something happens. So
here's the So it's been bizarre, right, And if you

(45:45):
read the article that's in the show notes, where you
hear the story of kind of where we've been, what
we're why we're coming back, and what we're hoping to
do in the future, you'll get more of the details
with this. But we've been making the plan to relaunched
the podcast, get things back up and running, and there

(46:06):
was sort of this moment a couple of weeks ago
where I was sitting out on the back patty or
as I do every morning, drink my coffee, just kind
of pray and things. I was praying about the podcast
and like, all right, is this the right thing for
us to do? I really feel like it is, but God,
if it is, confirm this. And later that afternoon we

(46:29):
got an email from Lucasfilm Publicity. Now, think about that,
we haven't put out a podcast since August. Since August,
and the last time we talked about Star Wars on
the podcast wasn't pretty critical. We were critical of the Acolyte,
not toxic, No, critical of the way the story was presented,

(46:51):
not the story itself, the way it was presented with it.
And then we just doing the podcast, and some of
that had to do it just like yeah, a lot
of it was yeah, but it's like, let's get this
up and running. And then suddenly we get this email
and the email is in a couple of weeks they're

(47:12):
going to be hosting a screening of the final episode
of and Or season two, going straight into Rogue one
at the Lucasfilm Theater and we're invited to go me
plus one is what the email said, and so I'm like,
that's crazy. I look at the dates. My first thought
when I looked at the dates where it's like five

(47:34):
days away, but that was actually when they were asking
us to confirm whether or not we could be there.
I was when I thought it was that. I was like,
there's no way Nathan has, you know, running sound and
helping out with graduation at university. We can't get it
together that fun, but that's really cool. And then I
looked and saw that it was two weeks out, and
I'm like, we could actually make this happen. The window
of time is park is perfect. So I emailed them

(47:58):
back and I said, can I get one more see
and you know, explain what's going on. They agreed to it,
and it was the the event is the day that
we were scheduled to record this episode, right and I
was sitting there and again, this episode was going to
be all about and Or and we're still going to
talk about it. Yeah, with it, but the whole idea

(48:18):
was like, Okay, maybe that's some confirmation that it's time
when we start the podcast with it, guys, what was
your your like, your reaction just to the idea of
being invited to go back to Lucasfilm. Oh, excited, you
know I was. I was really excited. I was like,

(48:39):
this will be really cool if we can go back,
that will be awesome because it's once in a lifetime
thing to be able to go to Lucasfilm once and
we've had that ability, but now being able to get
it go a second time would be amazing. So yeah,
it was super exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, I mean the same same here. I never thought
we did get an opportunity to go back there. You know,
we did it how many years ago?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
That six seven years November of twenty eighteen, Yes, seven
years ago, nearly. You know, we were like, well we
got one shot. Let's you know, we did it.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
You know, it was great, and then you know, we
never thought of would happened again, and sure enough here
we are.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So yeah, I was pretty blown away to hear that
we'd be given another opportunity to do something that crazy.
And it's amazing, you know that how often these types
of things happened in the Star Wars universe and then
have happened with us too. But it is like poetry
because when we went the very first time in November

(49:40):
of twenty eighteen, we were delayed about an hour and
a half to actually starting our tour when we were
invited to go there by Matt Martin because something had
come up at in at Lucasfilm that they had to
deal with, and so we were delayed. We finally got
in there, we did our tour with it, we had
some really crazy It's he leland and we left and

(50:04):
as we were leaving San Francisco, we hadn't even gotten
out of town yet, I get a notification on Twitter
that Lucasfilm has just announced in that moment a casting
an and Or prequel series. So we were there the
day they announced the and Ors series and then invited
to come back to celebrate the ending of the and

(50:26):
Doors series. What amazing book ends. Everybody likes a good book,
and yeah, a studio reference there.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
With that?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Could it get any better than being able to just
get on a plane, fly out to San Francisco, take
pictures at the Yoda Fountain again, see some stuff inside
the lobby, go to the Lucaswim studio or Lucasfilm Theater
and watch these these amazing productions. I mean, that's that
would have been peak? Am I right? Yeah, I would

(50:59):
yeah the top there's more, but wait, there's more act now.
So everybody that's listened to the podcast knows Nathan wants
to work in film sound. Yes, and so I sent
an email to one of our contacts there at Lucasfilm saying, listen,
then we're going to be in town Thursday night. We'll
be there all day Friday before the event. If there's
anybody at Lucasfilm that's involved in sound that Nathan can

(51:22):
just grab thirty minutes with to pick their brain, it
would be awesome. We would love that, no expectation whatsoever,
but we're but we'll ask so that you guys can
tell us no if that's if it won't work out, right,
And didn't hear back. That was like a week after that.
We didn't hear back. And then last Wednesday night, you

(51:44):
were at band practice. I'm ready for band practice at church.
I was at choir practice. You were with a girl,
your girlfriend at dinner, Nate, and I get a phone
call and it says Lucasfilm on my phone, and so
I'm like, I'm going to leave choir practice for a
second and answer this phone call. And it's our contact

(52:04):
there that that says that they may have an opportunity.
It's going to get complicated if we don't have a
rental car, but they have an opportunity that Nathan may
be able to get a meeting with somebody. And I'm like,
we have a rental car, We're good to go. And
they're like, well, we've got we coordinated a meeting with

(52:24):
a gentleman named Max Smith. I'm like, oh, that's awesome.
And then she's like at Skywalker rad I'm like, yes,
thank you please, Yes, absolutely will be there. We will
be there. Tell us when we're going to be there, absolutely,
and we got you know, got that all worked out.
And then immediately get off that call and call both

(52:46):
of you and like, crop conference you guys in to
tell you what was the reaction Nate for you to
find out that you were going to be talking to
which we'll talk about Mac in a second, but an
amazing sound designer at Skywalker sound at Skywalker ran while
we were out there, what was that like?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
It was just shock because you know, it's not something
that you ever expect as a Star Wars fan, you
never expect to really be able to go to Skywalker Ranch.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
It's it's a difficult thing to get into because it's
different than Lucasfilm.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
I mean, this is a private I mean, this is
a retreat, this is a creative retreat, and this is
wonk like, this is a professional setting.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
It's not something that I mean Lucasfilm, but it's still
it's different. You can get into the lobby no matter what.
You can get into the lobby. Now, let's just see
some stuff in the lobby. You could take your picture
at the Yoda fountain and thank you very much. Now
it's time to leave, you know, and they're fine with that.
You don't get anything like that as Skywalker. No. You
can see the security booth. You don't even have a
sign no. Now that was the thing that surprised me.

(53:42):
There's no signage. I mean, you got to know where
you're going. There's nowhere to go and take a selfie
next to a Skywalker Ranch song. No. So it was
just it was just wild. It's not something you ever expect.
It was just shocked and I couldn't wait. I was
just like, oh my gosh, now I have like two
days to prepare my mind for like all of this.
It was just absolutely insane, but very excited that that

(54:03):
was for sure. They are Sam. You and I joked
about this a little bit, but what was like the
first thing that popped into your mind? Oh, yeah, when
we said we were going to Skywalker Ranch as you
said here wearing a Skywalker Ranch hat. Yeah, which is
just weird.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
No, I mean, the first thing that popped in my
head is that one Big Bang Theory episode where they
they were in San Francisco for one reason or another
and they're.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Like, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Let's go, you know, see if we can check out
Skywalker Ranch, right, and you know, they get to the
security booth and they're like, do you have a point
where like, no, I know we don't, and they're like
you're gonna have to turn around.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Thank you for coming. They're like okay, and then they
try to put it in there anyway, and of course
they're like, you know, they're detained and everything and all that.
It's funny, but I mean that was like, yeah, yeah,
So it's it's just funny that you know, it is
if you're a diehard star Wars fan and you know
about it. I mean you you want to Oh man,

(54:58):
it'd be so cool to go there one day, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
And and then we got that opportunity, which you know,
like we said, we never thought we'd get to go
to Lucasfilm again, but that had happened once before, right,
so like there's a chance that could happened again.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
But I mean Skywalker Ranch is like it never was
on the like even a wish list. No, no, Like
I remember we were at celebration.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
The first Lando Yeah, yeah, and they had a Skywalker
Ranch like display area with like a bunch of relics
and stuff, and I don't even want to look at it,
like knug Bill check it out. I don't even want
to go look at it. And now you know, sure
enough we got to go to the ranch.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
So we got to go. We got to have lunch.
Nate go ahead and and talk about it that that
burger was crazy. Well what was.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Special med the burger was they had Wagu cattle on
the ranch, right, and that was where the meat for
the for the burgers came from.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
It was so good. I don't know, It's like all
he's talked about since we didn't actually get to go
to the main the house. I didn't know, but I
don't know. But we did get to go to Skywalker
Sound and that was because we met with Max Smith. Now,
if you you may not, this is the unfortunate thing
about the sound guys. They don't get a lot of

(56:14):
credit and notice. But I mean, Nate, what's the And
he didn't talk about this. So I'm just gonna go
ahead because I'm going to send this article, this podcast
episode to you, Mac and I know you're listening to
it and you didn't maybe tell tell us this at all,
but it's on your lucasfilm Skywalker Sound. We can see.

(56:34):
We saw it before we got there, and we're like,
holy craft, we're looking at He's currently working on this
little project that we've already talked about today called the
Fantastic Four First Steps. That's the project. For anyone unfamiliar,
remind them who what his role is. Yeah, he's the
sound designer. So the way he described it as a

(56:54):
supervised the sound supervisor.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Sounds supervised, he's a supervising. What that role is it
means pretty much he's he's overseeing everything that goes on
with this film. Sound he is, Like he's mentioned to
us that jack of all trades. He pretty much makes
sure that everything runs really smoothly. He works on the
film for its sound design, make sure that you know,
people are happy with it, make sure that everybody gets

(57:18):
the team together. He gets that team together to design
the sound. Yeah, he described it as like putting a band.
It is a putting a band together, for sure, because
you can pick anybody. It's not like it's not like
Skywalker Sound really has a set people they work with.
They do have like set people that work there, sure,
but these sound editor project supervisors can get anybody in

(57:39):
for a project, building that band, building that team to
get the best sound out of there. Like Brandon Proctor
has worked on Skywalker Sound movies before. We've heard of this.
He's worked with Max Smith before. We mentioned that. We
talked about that with him. But I don't believe Brandon
Procter is a part of Skywalker Sound itself.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
He's just mix it. But he's listened on there because
he's worked on projects before. So Skywalker Sound is just
pretty much a company that does sound. Like the editors
of the supervisors can get that team that grouped together
under that under that umbrella of Skywalker, so putting together
another team of Avengers exactly.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
It is very much like that, because without sound, movies
are different for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Some of the other projects that he's worked on is
done to the Planet of the eight Tron legacy. UP
great movie, I mean, well even crazier about is he
He showed us the studio where UP was mixed up
Jurassic Park, pretty much every Pixar movie. I mean we

(58:40):
were in the booth or in the in the studio,
in the stage where those movies were design the sound
was designed for those, I mean some of the biggest
movies and me he did What If series, he did
Star Wars visions, he worked on those a little bit.
I don't think on all of them, oject Moonnights, and

(59:02):
then the recent Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. He's this
guy has done some amazing things, and he was such
it's so funny. I felt like I was listening to
you guys have a conversation with yourselves because you're both
You're both you know, sort of extremely you know, personable,

(59:23):
but also kind of quiet, introverted type people. And it
took a little warming up before we all sort of
got the conversation going, but when the two of you
started really talking about sound as a dad, it was
just like, I'm just like standing back, just like watching him,
just in awe of all. What was it like for
you to have a conversation with a sound designer like that.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
It's I mean, it's not something that as as an
aspiring person that wants to work in sound, film, film sound,
it's not something that you ever expect you can do,
not talk with these people. And I have had the
amazing privilege to talk to Brandon Proctor and interact with
that Mary Benjamin, Rry Benjamin, I mean I have had

(01:00:05):
amazing opportunities, but talking with Maximiths, somebody currently in the
industry at his place of work, being able to interact
with him and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Talk about in such a prestigious place at work.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Exactly, and talk about him about how to be in
the industry, what it's like to be in that industry,
not through a podcast setting, not through a phone call
or a text or something like that, just being there,
but face to face.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Sitting outside the cafeteria exactly. Wago Berger amazing Skywalker, Skywalker.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
It was truly like it was just something that you
never think of and walking through that tech building, beautiful building.
It was really cool, an amazing place to work. It
really strange.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It was really cool to hear him describe that it
was built to be a lived in universe, right. It
was built by Jeordan's signed by George Lucas to where
it looks like it was. There was a bunch of
a bunch of buildings cobbled together and stuff, and that
was just designed that. And then there's like Star Wars
exactly was the universe of Star Wars was designed. And

(01:01:09):
then there's another room that's like really old timing Grandma.
It looks like it is such a crazy and the
reason they built it that way was like as a
retreat to get away from the studio stuff into something
that feels more like homie because you need that. Ever
loved that. It was just it was just insane. What
was the best advice? What was the advice that he
gave you for you know, being involved in the sound business.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
I mean, he talked about networking, but he also just
he we talked a lot about you have to be
you basically have to be a good person. You have
to be somebody that people want to be around, and
interact with, because you're gonna be stuck in the studio
for really long hours working with people, and if you
don't like them, then it's not going to go well
and you'll be there for longer and you won't get

(01:01:55):
a product that you're really happy about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Well, you got some work to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
But we saw this like when we went into the
sound stage, I think it was stage A, there was
a client sleeping in the break rooms in the sound stage.
That shows hours are long, like you're just there for
a while and then it's taxing. So if you are
having all of that, your creative work is being kind

(01:02:23):
of dissected by a microscope. Along with working with a
bunch of people you don't really know for long hours
in a completely dark room, you are pretty much going
to be really struggling to get a product you really
want if you don't like the person that you're working with.

(01:02:43):
So he was just saying that you have to pretty
much be somebody you want.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
To work with. That's a rule of thumb for everything,
though very true. It's so fun. We've had the opportunity
to have amazing conversations with amazing people, and it seems
like the more successful, the people are the better people
they are exactly. Yeah, and so sometimes success is not
built on just talent and skills. Still there, it is,

(01:03:09):
absolutely Max Smith is one of the easy you have
to be, you have to be able to do. All
of these people are talented, but what separates them is
not just talent. It's about just being a good person
and wanting to be somebody that want to be around.
Which is going to apply in sound, it's going to
apply in business, it's going to apply in what you're
doing as well. So then we left there and then

(01:03:32):
was the whole reason we came to exactly to Lucasfilm
in San Francisco. In the first place, we got to
go to the Fishery was interesting. We got to go
to uh yeah, we got to go to back to
go over to Lucasfilm, get you know, get the experience
there all the Yoda Fountain stuff, and then go into

(01:03:53):
the theater and see that. What was that like for
you to be sitting in that theater. We've been in
the theater before, well we like walked in it during
the two Yeah, what was it like for you to
see and were in Rogue one that it was a
really surreal experience sitting there, you know, when the when
the show is starting, and then the lucasfilm credits came

(01:04:13):
up and I'm like, we're in Lucas. Yeah. I was like,
that's such a weird, surreal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Moment to be like in the place where this was
like happened. You know, that was a really really cool,
a cool moment. And then you know, to add that
on top of you're surrounded with a bunch of Star
Wars fans. I mean, this is the first event we've
been at for a while since that's been since so
that's what four years now. Yeah, the first event we've

(01:04:45):
been at where it's just Star Wars fans, just strictly
Star Wars fans all around us, and that was really like,
it was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
It was like this is this is familiar, right, Yeah,
we got the true Star Wars experience by waiting in
the line. We did have to wait in the line,
so sure you have a Star Wars experience without that. Well,
and it was cool because most of the other people
there were from different costume groups like File First, Rebel
Leagues and things like that, so that was that was

(01:05:11):
cool that we were like in the minority being you know, content.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Creators like that. But it also every time I see
those like hosplay groups, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Dang at that house. Yeah, yeah, I got the space
for it. It's just do I have the time and motivation. Well,
I've got time, I just don't have the motivation. But
it's kind of making me think, eeah, maybe I could
get back into it. But yeah, it was really cool
to be sitting in the theater credits rolling you see lucasfilm.
Everybody's clapping for the big moments and laughing, and then

(01:05:40):
there were a good number of people there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Who hadn't seen the final episode of Anywhere. They waited
and you could tell who they were because they were
reacting at all the big moments especially.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so it was it was good. So thoughts on
on Android now that it's wrapped up. Loved it. I
Mean it's hard to say, but Live action wise is
probably the best Star Wars show we've got.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Oh yeah, truly. Just it felt so cinematic and it
pushed boundaries of what's acceptable in Star Wars a lot.
I know that some people had issues with that, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Was specifically the Gorman massacre. Yeah, the Gorman massacre was heavy,
but I truly believe that the show itself wasn't something
I'd recommend for the younger age age groups of Star
Wars fans, which is fine. It's okay to have something

(01:06:40):
for everybody, because right now we have Young Jedi Adventures
about to start their next season Skeleton. You have Skeleton,
which is such everything Star Wars has now grown into. Okay,
we need to have something for everybody to enjoy instead
of one. It's a fifteen year old property. It's not
just movies that come out every three day.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
It's about getting to the time where comics started to
figure out, okay, we can't just be one thing, we
have to be more. When DC started to do their
crazy Dark Night returns killing joke, it was when Marvel
started to do their crazy stuff, and then when bankrupt
and somehow came back to life. It's that era of
Star Wars, and let's just be honest, Marvel and DC

(01:07:20):
are better for that era, for that change, and I
think the Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
There were growing pains with it. It's always going to happen,
and one of those growing pains I believe it was Acolyte.
I think they just didn't really know what they wanted
to be, didn't know what age group kind of what
they wanted to fit in the tack. When you're following Sith,
you have to understand that, if you're following the Sith,
you got to go all the way with the dark

(01:07:44):
because it's the dark side and you have to be
alright with that. And it never felt like Acolyte fully
committed to that bit, which is fine. There are going
to be those growing pains, and there were times when
they did commit and it was amazing. So seeing and
or fully commit to the more mature, the more grounded
adult side to an extent of Star Wars truly lended

(01:08:07):
itself to being an amazing show and amazing property. Do
you think that you know this this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Change in Star Wars where yeah, there's always going to
be the things for families, younger audiences, things like that,
and that's good, but then maybe more content being produced
for not necessarily adult content, you know, like like like
TBMA or anything. But you know, this more grounded, gritty,
you know, darker stuff. Does that go against George Lucas's

(01:08:37):
original you know what he said Star Wars was, you know,
he said Star Wars for twelve year olds does that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
I mean, it's I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Think it does go against it, but is it almost
like unnecessary thing? I mean, the twelve year olds of
nineteen seventy seven nineteen eighties are very different from the
twelve year olds of today, for better for worse. You know,
that's a different topic, but you know, I do think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
With the times, the reality is, this is a fifty
year old franchise and for this franchise to survive outside
of a cinematic universe, right if Star Wars was just

(01:09:24):
we've got the original trilogy and then about fifteen years
later we've got the prequel trilogy, and then a decade
after that we've got the sequel trilogy, and then they
wait another decade and they make another trilogy of movies.
You can make those movies and keep them centered in
the Star Wars is for twelve year olds universe or approach,
But the reality is we've moved past that with these

(01:09:47):
Disney plus shows with additional types of movies that are
getting made those types of things, and so you have
to have different genres and different audiences for it, and
that that's going to be the future of Star Wars
is going to require you to have like you were
describing a minute ago, Nate young Jedi adventures for your

(01:10:10):
youngest kids, and and Or for a really gritty, darker story,
and then Skeleton Crew and Ahsoka and all these other things.
They're all different. They all exist in the same universe,
but the perspectives are going to be different in the
way that the stories are told with it, and it's

(01:10:31):
going to be an interesting thing to see how it
plays out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I think the biggest problem that's going to happen going
forward is the audience that and Or was made for,
is the audience that's most vocal on social media. Kids
aren't going to be going out and talking about these
things on socials, right, So the online consensus going forward
is if anything is not like and Or, it's bad or,

(01:10:56):
you know, because the groups that are highly in praise
of and Or are gonna want more.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
In Or, which is good. I want more and Or
as well. It was great, but they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I don't think the majority of people are going to
have our mindset of you got to let things exist
in their own way. They've got to fit their genre,
fit their niche. Not everything can be and Or, and
that's a good thing. I don't think many people are
gonna have that. So I worry that the online you know,

(01:11:26):
back not backlash, but the online it just becomes this
sentiment becomes, hey, this is an and or, why can't
we get more and or? And then you know, studios
will feel forced to end up making more and or,
and then all that stuff that is for the younger
audiences just ends up getting swept away.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And then which then the future of Star Wars ceases
to exist because you have to bring be able to
bring in a younger another generation.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
To do this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
I don't think that online consensus matters. Yes, you do
not have the younger generation. People like, kids like watching
Young Giant Adventures are going to go on Twitter and yeah,
I mean you're not going to see that, but you're
going to see ratings. Ratings matter a ton. We've seen
ratings with Clone Wars, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
For a aged with you see with Rebels. Yes, Young
John Adventures is probably not going to age, but the
kids that are watching it are going to be watching it.
We know this. When a kid finds a show he
likes or she likes, they're gonna wear out the tape.
If that's what I think. Sam is the voice that's

(01:12:34):
going to be is because you don't have this this
people don't need to be aware. People that watch or
that don't have kids don't need to be aware of
it because they're not going to go and watch Young
gi Adventures for no reason. But the people that do
need to watch it, the kids, they're going to see
the ratings. We have these fans, We have this Avenue Visions.
There's a good amount of vision stuff that kids come,
but it's pretty dark. There are some dark episodes, yes,

(01:12:55):
But here's the point that that I think Sam's trying
to make, say Nathan, if people are unaware of Young
Jedi Adventures because it's not being a part of the
discussion on social media, and people are not aware that
this series exists, then parents aren't going to be introducing

(01:13:15):
it to their kids. Kids aren't going to find Young
Jedi Adventures just by finding Young Jedi Adventures.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
I found shows as a kid, just by finding shows
as a kid. I can firmly say that I found
Gravity Falls just because I was scrolling on Disney XC
and it was up one day and I watched it.
I'm like, I love this show, and I continue to
watch it. That's kind of how people discover, Like when
you're scrolling on cable television, that's kind of how it goes.
And now you have streaming coming up. Kids will just
be scrolling that Kids channel and they may want like

(01:13:41):
Star Wars and they'll see Star Wars Young Jedi Adventures.
I'll watch that, and then they put on the two
seasons that are already out, with season three on the way.
I saw the trailer for it the other day, which
is again something was made aware to me just by
scrolling on Instagram. Saw Young Jedi Adventures trailer. It happens.
People are going to know about the people that need
to know about it are going to know about it.

(01:14:02):
I don't think that there's ever going to be an
avenue where Star Wars is still not meant for the family.
I think that the solution going forward, I think you're
both right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I think that there's a caution that needs to be
in place with like you're describing, Sam, and I think
that good content will find an audience. That's what you're saying, mate.
I do believe that the solution for the future of
Star Wars is as much as possible to keep your

(01:14:37):
film universe, your cinematic universe geared towards the George Lucas.
Star Wars is for twelve year old's audience, and then
expand that universe through like they have with comics, like
they have with books, like they're doing with Disney Plus shows,
expand that universe to different audiences and different genres. Yeah,

(01:14:59):
of course, and let that be that. I mean the
playground play we saw it with. I mean you could
even bring Fallen Order and Jutes Fiber into this. Those
are they're pretty dark days in those games. They're relatively
dark themselves. And those came out years ago. Fallen Order
came out a while ago, and when I played that,
it was it was relatively dark. It's not something that
the kid's gonna play. Heck, they may. A twelve year

(01:15:20):
old probably is going to play Fallen Order, because why not.
It's Star Wars. So I think we're more focusing on
Star Wars isn't for kids anymore, but Star Wars is
for the family. You have the aspects for the kids.
You have the things that are good for the kids,
you have things that are good for the teens. You
have things that are good for the parents to watch
and the teams to watch. But their kid might not

(01:15:41):
be able to watch it something like that, Like and
Or is a great great example of that. Don't get
your seven year old to watch who knows? It is
up to you if you want your old eight year
old to watch it. Because a dad brought us eight
year old to the screening four indoor in Rogue one,
which we were like, oh my gosh, that's crazy, but okay,
it's choice. If the kids somehow was able to sit

(01:16:03):
the thirty minutes of exposition every episode and enjoyed it, again,
more power to them. I mean I watched The Matrix
when I was like twelve, Like, that's my fault. It's
not a problem. It's a great movie. They have cool
fights in that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
And nowadays WPG thirteen at this point, so things have changed,
people have changed. It's for families now, it's own. Don't
think is for kids. Sam, did the way you view
Rogue one change as a result of and Or?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Yeah, the main characters and Or Now. I was like, Jin,
get out of the way. I don't want to I
don't want to see and Jin's a good character. I
do love Jin's character, but you definitely have a different
perspective going into it and even apparently Disney Plus does
to their new thumbnails. It has where which is a
little bit controversial with it. But if you've seen these movies,

(01:16:50):
you know jin is the is the primary character with it.
If you're if you're somehow you were under a rock
and never saw a Rogue One but watched and or
it makes sense because you see that thumbnail and you're
gonna want to watch Rogue One, which is great, and
you're gonna be like or Sidecaracter a great movie. Exactly.
You're gonna be like me with Doctor Trained Multiverse of

(01:17:10):
Madness you had in the book. Yeah, right, that's funny.
Anything else, all right, So we have some fun Imax
stuff coming up. We're going to go see Mission Impossible,
Final Reckoning in one of the few last true sizes
of my Max. It's not the biggest in the US.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
The biggest in the US is Lincoln Square, which actually
is about half of the size.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Of the Statue of Liberty. We're going to watch that's
about the third of the size of the Statue of Liberty.
Oh wait, where where's Lincoln Square is in New York?
We're going to New York exactly for Superman. Let's just
take it to New York and go out there. But
we're going to see that. And also another cool Imax news.
I'm a fan of Imax if you couldn't tell.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Because Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey is going to be the
first movie in history to be filmed fully an Imax
seventy milimeters.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
That's crazy. With new Imax camera technology. They're able to
do that because they have a new Imax camera that's
not one hundred and fifty pounds. It's more like ninety
two one hundred pounds, so it's less weight so they
can use it more often. It's gonna be it's gonna
be big, but you cannot wait. Awesome, Sam, Yeah, I
thought this was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
But I don't know what caused it, but just randomly,
Battlefront two had a huge resurgence of players again. I
think it reached half of its all time highest player
count on steams and it's been it's been four years
since its last major update and love a game and
people just are out of the blue. Maybe it was

(01:18:44):
because in the New Fortnite season, people are like, hey,
this is kind of like Battlefront one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
I mean I even thought people did, Yeah, people did think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I even thought about getting back into it. I don't
have my old account anymore, so i'd be starting from
square one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
But it's cool to see that I got a stronger
gamer than you were then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
No, definitely not because I don't. I don't play as much.
I'm not my skills aren't show. But I hope that
this encourages Disney to UH to start working on a
third one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
It would do well. I speaking about Resurgence Revenge of
the Sith was it didn't it just the final number
was like the second highest, second highest re release of
all behind what I probably Yeah, probably it could because
it earns over forty two million dollars worldwide with his

(01:19:31):
twentieth anniversary re release that which is awesome. It was,
which was also a lesson. If anybody at Lucasfilm is
listening to this, you know who you are belongs in
the cinema, Yes, yep, we need And I think that
was shown also with that screening that we went to.
Oh wow, it felt better even seeing and worrants in

(01:19:53):
the theater was just don't let what happened with Solo
scare you. There's bigger reasons why Solo also makes so
to and make Solo two happen with that. Yeah, well
we want to hear from you guys too, So let
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do is move their conversations to a monthly cadence, so
they'll they may jump in for other things at times,
but the consistent release for this type of an episode

(01:21:01):
that you just heard what you're used to with tatoween
Sons that will be coming out once a month. In
the interim, we are still going to be a weekly released.
I'm going to be interviewing different people that are in
the Star Wars world about getting exposed to Star Wars
watching it with their dads. I think that's a great
story I like to hear every time I hear it.
It's similar but also so unique and different. For example,

(01:21:25):
we've got Spencer Javits. I was mentioning him earlier. He's
the founder of Virgil canteena network. He has an hilarious
story about going to see Empire Strikes back when he
was four years old and seeing Chewbacca welding the Millennium Falcon.

(01:21:45):
It's hilarious. You've got to hear that. But he was
there with his dad, and that's why that movie is
not only his favorite Star Wars movie, but his favorite
movie of all time. Meanwhile, we've got like, in a
couple of weeks, I'm going to have Cam Ray on here.
If you know Cam from cam Ray Semi Productions. He's
absolutely crazy, he's hilarious. But he's going to talk about
being in the Star Wars fandom and also watching Star

(01:22:08):
Wars with his kids. And that's the kind of content
that you're going to be hearing from us going forward.
And then a couple of weeks ago, I was on
Or last week I was on with the guys over
Around the Galaxy and the streaming Star Wars Network on
their and or recap show. We're going to be on
other podcasts going forward. I'm going to be doing that.
We'll repurpose those and put those in the feed as well,
so you get you're going to be getting weekly released content,

(01:22:28):
and it's going to be varied, and you're going to
have lots of different types of things to hear from us,
and so we're excited about that. I can't think of
anything else. Is there anything else you guys want to say?
May for to be with you, maybe for to be
with you, Maill the Hols be with you always.

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(01:23:04):
further and May the Force be with you always.

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