August 19, 2024 • 35 mins
In this episode of 'Tatooine Sons: A Pop Culture Podcast", we dive into the speculation surrounding M. Night Shyamalan’s latest thriller, "Trap".
Shyamalan's films have always sparked strong reactions, and "Trap" is no exception, drawing both criticism and praise. But while many debate its Hitchcockian vibes or divisive nature, we focus on a theory that’s flying under the radar — *Trap" might be part of the Powers Universe alongside "Unbreakable", "Split", and "Glass".
Join us as we break down the clues that connect *Trap* to Shyamalan’s superhero saga, from the sinister presence of The Butcher to the familiar themes of duality and hidden power. Whether you’re a fan of Shyamalan’s interconnected universe or just curious about the deeper mythology, this episode uncovers why "Trap" could be more than it seems.
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Shyamalan's films have always sparked strong reactions, and "Trap" is no exception, drawing both criticism and praise. But while many debate its Hitchcockian vibes or divisive nature, we focus on a theory that’s flying under the radar — *Trap" might be part of the Powers Universe alongside "Unbreakable", "Split", and "Glass".
Join us as we break down the clues that connect *Trap* to Shyamalan’s superhero saga, from the sinister presence of The Butcher to the familiar themes of duality and hidden power. Whether you’re a fan of Shyamalan’s interconnected universe or just curious about the deeper mythology, this episode uncovers why "Trap" could be more than it seems.
Subscribe now on Substack for weekly updates, in-depth exploration, and a vibrant community of fellow pop culture enthusiasts. Don't miss out—let’s get started!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey tatooin Sun's Family. This is David. Just a quick
update on some changes that are coming to the release
schedule and cadence in format beginning next week. This week
we'll have our three Monday, Wednesday Friday episodes, but the
reality is school for Nathan starting college and work things
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has caused us to make the decision where we are
going to retract back to a one episode per week
format and that will begin starting with a release next week.
And we're actually going to shift our release day back
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to what it was for quite a long time, back
to Tuesdays, and so beginning on August twenty seventh, we
will return to our a little bit longer format hour
long roughly episode, but that will be coming out once
a week. And then I did also want to give
you a quick update and let you know that there
will be no episode after we go back to this change.
(01:04):
There won't be an episode on September third, on that
Tuesday because we will be the previous weekend. We will
be spending Labor Day weekend in Orlando at Disney World
as a family vacation, so we will not be able
to record on Monday the second, So then we will
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return to our normal release schedule again on September tenth.
Thank you guys so much for being a part of
the Tattooing Sun's family, for being a part of what
we try to do every week. We appreciate you. Hopefully
getting back to a weekly released schedule will allow us
to have a little bit more consistency and allow us
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time to do some other things, which would be some
promoting and some things that we're doing in substack, and
also open up the door for the schedule to allow
for us to do that Christian mythology podcast that we're
talking about when we reach one hundred subscribers. But that's
for an update. Let's get to the episode.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is Tattooine Sons, a pop culture podcast, the only
fan podcast to name a Cannon Star Wars creature and
to be endorsed by the writer director of The Last Jedi,
Ryan Johnson. M night Shalan's movies are often very polarizing,
so it's no surprise that Trapp has divided audiences. Some
absolutely hate it, Others suggest it feels like an Alfred
(02:22):
Hitchcock film. But for some reason, nobody seems to be
talking about the absolute certainty that this film is clearly
set in the Powers universe.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think it's funny that I made you say that line.
The absolute certainty.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yes, it's talk about absolute certainty.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, we'll talk about it is set in
the Powers universe, alongside Unbreakable Split and Glass.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
We'll explain why. Next. This is Tatooine Sons.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Was the name of the pork on the Millennium falcon.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Force? The storm in my family?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What do you think his name is? It's a big moment.
I am a Jedi like my father before me.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Maybe Urbis.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do ill do not?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It is no try Turbis Pablo. If you're listening to
this live stream, bat Pork's name is now Turbis. It's
a good star wars.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Name were not done yet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
These guys are recorded bossing the podcasts Atter, So everybody listen.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What's the first time you guys saw it? Was the
s Yes you guys?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, Nathan was way too young?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
How old? Way too young? I was like, hey, maybe dad,
sixth sense? And what time? It was like nine o'clock
at night when we started started it. Yeah, you were
already lied to me. You told me it was like
a crime thriller. It was a crime thriller in White World,
is sixth sense of crime thriller?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
A crime thriller?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, it's a crime thriller like that one lady's been
poisoning her kid.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And yeah, but it's not a crime thriller. You're not
following an investigation. He just happens to find out because
the dead the dead boy tells him, the little girl tells.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Him, well, it's freaking terrifying.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Did it take for you to get sleep?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Like a lot? That wasn't a good move. I mean,
I love the movie now, but.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Gosh, that was not the right age to show that.
I feel like every kid has to like go through
that at some point. That traumatic movie experience, Sam, it
was Spider Man three for you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I guess it was sixth Sense for me. Three
was his dramatic movie experience.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Mine had a bit bit more was more traumatic mindramatic.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, but he as I was older than I was
in Inspirement three, So that's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, welcome to Tattooing Sunday pop Culture Podcast. We believe
that pop culture is the mythology of this generation, that
there's a story written on our souls and that these
myths speak to that story, and that's why we're looking
at the mythology of the Powers universe, launched by m
Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable and its latest installment Trap at.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Least we think so.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I know, we know s Yeah, we know. We'll explain why.
And if you haven't figured that out and you've seen
this movie, you're gonna your mind's gonna get blown while
we talk about it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yes, this episode, anyway, make sure you subscribe on substack.
We're still shooting for the hundred subscribers we're stocking.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, it actually hit fifty. I checked it the other day. Yeah,
if you want us to ever do that podcast, let
us know. It might be twenty twenty seven. We may
actually have seen Avengers Doomsday before I start that podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
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So please please please down on the app subscribe to us.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Follow.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It takes just a couple of minutes and you don't
even have to like do anything with it. You can
just subscribe if you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, absolutely, do you know, no pressure all make us
feel better? Yeah, it's free.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Please please anyway, I think enough talking about what we're
gonna talk about. Let's talk about what we're talking about.
All right, Let's start this off as we always do,
our letterboxed rating reactions to Trap. If you're not familiar,
letterbox as where you can rate and.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Log all the movie you are staying on top of
it every time you watch a movie, like when you
rewatch a movie like.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
That, I can get it. Yeah, you guys just watched
Alien versus Predator today, and okay, so what's your Alien
versus that?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's because this week when we.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Again, I'm trying to watch an alien movie that I
haven't seen every day until Romulus. I should be able
to get all of them done before I get to
that point, so I can.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Actually say three.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, I'm watching the Predator once too, so there's a
second Alien versus Predator, and then there's Alien three and
four Alien cubed I guess because it's the Power, and
then yeah, Alien Resurrection, So I gotta watch all those.
What was your letter box rating? I think it was
a two point five.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I like it was dumb and the amount of plot
holes numbed my.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Brain, but it was pretty cool to just see some
predators fighting a bunch of aliens, and yeah, a bunch
of aliens died and were killed, but it was like
by predator weapons. So it feel like it's more legitimate
than what happened in Alien.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Right, And I did some more research and I'm a
little bit more okay with what they did in Aliens.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They talk about that on the end up talking to
next week probably about Aliens. Rhyme.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll go ahead and do our letter box
rating of Trap.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You two saw it a little before. I did, yeah
day the day before.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And then I went and saw it with Olivia, and
so I want to get y'all's ratings first, Nate, let
you go.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I think I gave it a three point five or
four somewhere around there, alike. If I could give it
like a three point seven, I can't, But I can't. Uh,
it was good. I mean, you just take out everything
that I've kind of I kind of thought about it afterwards.
I think it's still a fun movie.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It was.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It was good enough and enjoyable enough, and I think
that the ending.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Was pretty good. It doesn't deserve a four then.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
No, That's why I'm kind of gravitating towards the three
point five but while I would gravitate towards the four,
is the revelations that come out from it, okay or
you think at least? Yeah, No, that I know because
I came up with it first.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I was the one that had I was going to
put like a three and a like. But I you know, again,
with the revelations that we're going to end up talking
about a little bit later, I would probably end up
putting it at three point That's that's the right way
for me to do this. If the revelations that we're
going to talk about are not true, it's a three
and a like. If those things are true, it's a
(09:09):
high three point five on its way to exactly higher
than because of how it could play into some other
things in the future, and I think the reveals that
could happen in that would be fun. What about you, Sam,
We'll talk about the reveals later, but what were your
thoughts on the movie? What were we ring?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I would give it the exact same rating you did,
really exactly the same yep.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, I don't know what more to add to that.
I mean, it's just okay, So let's think the revelations out. Yeah,
let's talk about it. Just from a movie the way
that the general public is seeing this movie. What did
you guys think about this as sort of a mystery movie?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was good, fine.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That you know, it was an interesting enough premise. There
were some interesting moments in it. Some of the dialogue
felt extra clunky, like even more so than for like
an Night. What do you mean like that just weird,
not not good dialogue, Just it felt not natural in
any way.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Give me an example.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I can't remember an example off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
A T shirt guy, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
There were a.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Few moments, the mom or whatever, the other girl that
was having issues.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't know, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A lot of moments it just felt weird. And I
know it's supposed to be like he's putting on a
a a front for these people or whatever. You know,
He's just he's playing a character in that moment. But
there was just throughout the movie it felt kind of
clunky at points. It's a small gripe. It's not Prequels
level clunky at times, but it was just enough to
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where I was like, okay, it's kind of takes me
out of the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
For okay, I thought it was fun, cool concept. I
thought I was guessing the entire time how it was
going to end up, and I thought that the main
bad guy was was cool and interesting enough to kind
of keep me watching and wouldn't probably ever rewatch it.
But I enjoyed my time. If if it was one
(11:09):
of those if I didn't have a list, I wouldn't
have seen it.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, absolutely, But I.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Have a lists, so I might as well go see it,
and I'm happy I did. It wasn't like other movies
that I've had the A list with and went to see,
and I was like, I probably should.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Have just skipped, like another sheim Alan, not an m
Night show. Yeah, like like Old but or the Watchers
or or the Watchers. Yeah, it wasn't great. Trap was fun.
I think that you know, in classic, if you take
out the reveals that we'll talk about in a few
moments and you just make this a self contained movie,
(11:44):
the twist in this movie? What is the twist if
you take out the other reveals that we think we're
going to go through if it stays self contained, what's
the big twist for an M Night movie? I don't
know if there is really one.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There's not really one like that. You've come to know,
like this big overarching thing that's completely changed sense.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It is obviously that has been dead.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Come on, he's.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Been dead the whole time, right right, unbreakable. It's Glass
that's doing it all. Glass's not just that they're superheroes
are decades old.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But Split it's more than just the big reveal. And
Split is the end credits scene. Yeah pretty much.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I would give that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, what about Glass?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't remember. I haven't seen Glass.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
The big reveal is the organization that's and and the
psychiatrists that's actually.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Has been working with that organization signs. It's that all.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The weird quirks of the family and stuff end up.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Playing into how they defeat the alien right at the
end the village, they're actually not in some age like
one hundred and fifty years earlier than killing me right now,
It's okay, because these are all movies that people and
I think that it's important that we established that end
night Shimelan wants you to have to think to figure
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out a lot of these ques.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, let's not. I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I wouldn't say that though, because he wants you to
think throughout the run time of the movie, what's the
twist going to be? And then he reveals it in
the end with this trap movie that you're thinking, if
they're the whole movie contained movie, you don't get that
there's no reveal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's why I think that's you know, we're going to
talk about the reveal in a minute, but I think
that's one of the that's actually an argument for this
reveal being real. It's it's him sitting there saying, everybody
wants this big reveal to happen, like for me to
spell it out. I'm not gonna spell it out for
you in this one. You're gonna have to figure this
(13:53):
one out for yourself. But it's there and when you
know it as we talk about okay, we're not going
to talk about the right now, but Nathan, you and
I were watching it. We figured it out in the
middle of the movie. You figured it out, and then
I figured it out with you, and then we were
like and then people even behind us as we were
talking about it, we're like, oh my gosh, they were
(14:14):
like picking up on what we talked about, and they're like,
they're right, it is right in our theater. We didn't
tease this at all to you, Sam before you saw
it the next day, and we intentionally held it back.
We didn't even like allude to them being this major twist.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I did kind of nothing but major, I know, more
than it's an night movie, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So we predicted that you weren't going to figure it
out during the movie, right, So when when you finished
the movie, I asked Nate, did you text him? And
what was the conversation the text?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Like, I was like, okay, so what was the big reveal?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
What was what was it all about? And so what
And you responded and told him what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
He walked me through some questions to let him get
to that conclusion himself, because all of the evidence is
there if you look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, if you go back and watch it again, which
again this goes to me back to the original M
Night Shimalan movie six sets.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Would they say it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Absolutely, But what was the fun of that movie was
not the first watch? The first watch?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That movie is like first watch is horrible. It's like,
we don't talk about the first watch anymore. It's kind
of boring.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like what am I watching? I don't get it.
Once they revealed the twist at the end. The first
thing that you want to do is go back and
watch it again and it holds up right, Right, that's
an m Night Shimalan movie. So much so that I
rented this on DVD. I hadn't see it in the theater.
(15:49):
I didn't go to movies a lot at the time.
Rented this on DVD and immediately bought this movie on DVD.
It was the first movie I bought on DVD.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, that's the darn copy. We used to watch it,
and I flew home to my from from Alabama down
here to my parents in Colorado to visit my parents,
and I made my dad watch it, and then we
watched it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Again, right, and the second time through, it's a very
different movie. Yeah it is. That's an m Night Shymalan movie.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think m Night intentionally makes you did this on
purpose in this movie, to make you sit there and go.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Where's the twist?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
If you know it and you go back and rewatch
this movie, right, it's going to hold up. But if
you don't know it, you're not gonna figure it out.
And I think that's part of the charm of what
he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
With this movie.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Could you see that? Because your reaction when Nathan began
to ask you those questions was what.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It makes sense? Yeah, what you're it all holds up, Yeah,
it holds up all right.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So you know, while we all really enjoyed Trap, you know,
one thing that we we're pointing out, we've been alluding to,
is that this movie is obviously or it's obviously obviously
part of the Powers Universe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Okay, so what is the Powers Universe? For anyone who
may not be familiar.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The Powers Universe is the unexpected cinematic universe that am
not Uh set up within some of his movies. It
started off with his second movie, his second movie of
all time, Unbreakable.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now, this was just a standalone movie. It's about a guy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's a very realistic take on what superheroes would look like.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In today's world. It's this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
He just happens to be really strong, not like and
he can see people and yeah, it's basically like like
a hunch that's really really strong, right, And he's really
he's strong, but not to the point where it's like
Hulk level or anything.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's just more than your average person.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He's also never gotten sick and a plane or a
train crash, which is what kind of starts the whole movie,
things like that, right, And you watch the movie as
he discovers these abilities, right, and then in the end
you find out that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You really figure it out when he's lifting weights with
his son. Yeah scene is the scene.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, he keeps putting weighting on there. And you find
out in the end that this guy who's a comic
book collector, he's been walking Done. That's the David Dune,
that's the superhero. You know, he's been walking David Done
through this like discovery process, and he finds out that Glass,
mister Glass has orchestrated numerous different He's called mister Glass
(18:44):
because that's his name.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
His name is Ibra Glass.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right, and he's got brittle bone syndromes, so you can't like,
he's got to be very careful. And so you find
out that mister Glass has orchestrated numerous different catastrop fees
throughout the years, playing crashes, train crashes, including the one
that Done was on all to see all to find
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a superhero.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And that was the exact opposite of him, right, someone
who's hearty nemesis.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, right, and so we did find that out, and
you know, that's the big reveal. A fantastic movie, right then,
years and years and years later, I don't remember when
this movie came out sixteen, it was just another it's
just another NI movie. It was split about this guy
who's got associative identity disorder, but like times a million.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Which looked really freaky in the trailers did which to
where we didn't watch this and it wasn't a while
really that freaky, but it looks like.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yes, that's That's the issue I have with some horror
trailers nowadays, is they make it look so much more
terrifying than it actually is, and it turns me off.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's got this guy, he's got associative identity disorder
with some like thirty plus personalities or something crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Twenty seven and then at one point there's the there's
this one personality that's alluded to throughout the movie called
the Beast. We're trying to wander, were runnering what it is.
It comes out turns out the Beast is some weird
l Physically changes. Yeah, he becomes really strong, he's able
to climb walls, but it's just by like grabbing imperfections
(20:13):
in the wall. He's almost like fully bulletproof too, like
he stops a shotgun round or something like. He's just
a complete freak of nature. Right, and that's the end
of the movie. He walks out. He's he's just escaped
into the real world at this point, and then there's
an end credit scene.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Stop okay, stop though if they don't do this end
credits scene, is there any way anybody is going to
be connecting this to the Unbreakable story at this point?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
No, not really No, I mean there might be, of course,
the crazy theory.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Same plot. There's this guy, he will talk about it later.
He's super strong, he overcomes stuff, he gets away. At
the end. There's no end credits scene making a big
reveal in the In app right, there is split in
split right, you see David Dunn in a bar watching
(21:06):
a news report of this guy, the Beast, getting out,
and I realize it and then Glass comes out.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I do not remember Glass at all. I know it's good,
I just do not remember.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Explain the name.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A few of these people are are around the You know,
David Dunn's still doing superhero work when he can the
Beast is still doing his thing, kidnapping teenage.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The girl that was kidnapped is a part of that story.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Is later on, but the Beast is kidnapping teenage girls again,
David Dunn stops him. They eventually both are put into
this type of psych psychiatric ward kind of come to
find out that's where mister Glass has been this entire time.
They start talking and finding ways and things that are
(21:55):
going wrong at the place, and then eventually try to escape, and.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And David does Son, who is a part of Memory,
is a part of this history.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
And so is the mother of Glass. She's a part
of us as well, and so as you know, the
girl that got away in Split. So they're all kind
of have some type of influence in this story as well.
It ends with David Dunn dying, Mister Glass dying, and
I think the Beast dies as well, after he tries
(22:23):
to attack a pretty power in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And then we come to find out which is important
because Unbreakable Glass and Split are all set in Philadelphia, yes, correct.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And then the main psychiatric lady, I don't remember what
her name is, but we come to find out that
she's actually a part of a secret organization that's trying
to kind of snuff out these superpowered beings around around
the world pretty much, and they're all part of them
and them know them, control them or and or kill them.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That's yeah, the general public isn't ready for that sort
of thing pretty much.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And that's that's the big reveal, that's the big twist,
And that's pretty much where it ends. Like they set
something up and then we're like, Okay, cool, great this
we're not getting another one made. That was kind of
where we came from because not class didn't underperform, but.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It just felt like it was the end of a trilogy.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yes, right, and so we didn't they Why would you
set something up at this point? I mean, all the
characters that we know are dead, Like, what's the deal here?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So yeah, So speaking of that, though, Trap has not
in any way in the movie or externally been confirmed
to be a part of the Powers universe.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But why do we think that it is now?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Now? Nate, when did it click for you in the movie? Well?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I started to get suspicions that something was off just
kind of at the beginning of the movie. Loud noises
were setting him off. He didn't eat any junk food
at all. He like took a piece of his pretzel
that he got with his daughter, like he was about
to chew it, and then the concert started and he
threw it in a cup on the ground. Like all
of this stuff was just off. So I needed something
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was wrong with him, but I didn't know what. And
then he went serial killer. Of course something's wrong, well,
something unnaturally wrong, just with his his physical being. And
then he went to go help the T shirt guy
lift the boxes, and the T shirt guy's like, hey,
can you can you help me with this? And he
just picks it up and he's like, Wow, you're so strong,
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and I'm like, that's a really weird line.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He feels okay, yes in an m Night Shymalan movie
and set in Philadelphia, right, that suddenly makes you go way.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah exactly, And I was like, Okay, there's something else.
There's something really going on here. There's he's strange. I
didn't connect it at that point, but I did. Something
triggered in me, like that was a weird line, right.
And people have complained about that scene really because.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
They act like it doesn't make any It's like it
feels without without it being there, it feels weird in
an m Night Shimalan movie. It's there on purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right, You like say that about old and old was
just bad and all around.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So okay, okay, well some people really like old somehow,
I don't compared to you, And I never saw knock
the knock at the cabin.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But what else? Keep going that'll happen.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And then when it clicked for you, Dad, is when
we saw the Butcher kidnapping Spencer. I think through that
security footage when he's.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah yeah, yea, yeah yeah, when they see the guy
that's been kidnapped, that's the central plot point of what's
going on with this whole story. He's been kidnapped. We
finally see the close circuit TV footage and he's there's
this van and somebody is in the van. You can't
see him, and Spencer walks up close to the van
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and it happens so fast you could think it's a
glitch in the in the CCTV footage. I didn't see
it as a glitch in the cct It felt to
me like he grabbed it at my At that very moment,
I leaned over to you and I said, this is
part of the glass stuff in this because that felt
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like a superhero. And then there's more things. The names
of the character is what is what really kind of
started to connect it with me. I mean, in the
villain is a Butcher, which is an awesome name for
a serial killer. Just to the Butcher, it's it's cool.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
But then you bring in some of the other names
from the Glass universe, which I totally did not connect that.
David Dunne's superhero name is the Overseers. It's called the
Overseer or sometimes he's called the Protector.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So cool, such a cool superhero name.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You have the Overseer, You of course have mister Glass,
then you have the Beast, and.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
There's also and that same actor, James Mackvoy's character is
called the Horde as well.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yes, and then you have the Butcher, all various superheroesque names,
and then you bring in the Butcher with these strangely
superhuman abilities and you can even throw in there superintelligence.
The dude had every type of scenario dealt with anything, like,
had it planned out and was able to improvise quick
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on his feet, and in some.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ways the dude has like the abilities that oh gosh,
what's her name? Inde Domino where she's lucky. I mean seriously, dude,
just like got lucky for many different times in this movie, right,
but it kind of feels like at points he's just
gotten lucky. So, so, what are some reasons why you
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think this Butcher character, other than the things that we've
talked about, is a powered being.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Well, I mean, towards the end, he eats a piece
of pie that apparently has like a whole bottle of
skills at or a ton at least she's been using
to drug his like, and he says, just a just
one or two will do, and then he takes like
an entire bottle. So you think he's gonna be zonked
out pretty quick. So he starts walking and hallucinating his
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mother and all that stuff. That's kind of the big
big I guess motivation for him.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The Horde.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, well because you know, yeah, they beat Oh
I'm not saying it is, but that that makes it
connect to the same ideas.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Right, And so he takes a bunch of sleeping pills
and then he goes and gets tased four times and
is fine, like walks out and is completely underneath under
his own weight, is completely okay. And then he gets
it to the van and planned on being kidnapped because
he kept a piece of paper clip.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I think no, he took us spoke off of.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
He took off of the bike wheel and had that
planned and then escaped.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And he gets away at the end. Yeah, he's gone.
What were the questions that you asked Sam after the
do you remember.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
When you text?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think it was just kind of like asking about
the pie. Asking about it was more just like leading him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Was the Philadelphia connection that got me because I did
not pick up that that's where they were or.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That that's where the Powers Universe was set.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So yeah, I mean all of well a lot of
them night movies are set in Philadelphia, but it just
feels a little convenient that all of these are so
similar to each other, set in the same place, all
of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And then you bring in I don't know if we're
talking about the profiler Hailey Mills, who's which is really
interesting because her start in film was to play a
twin character in the movie Parent Trap, and then she's
one of the main characters in this movie Trap. Yeah,
(29:39):
but her character there was something not off with her,
just you know that there was more going on with her.
They focused on her too much, focused on her knowing
about the butcher a lot, and just a lot of
these things that they set up that they never really
realized and kind of gave us more about it, like
how did she know so much? I know, again, people
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had issues with a lot of people. It's fair.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
But when you kind of think about it from the
way that Glass ended, and an organization of people that
know a ton about superpower beings and make it their
job to know about them and control them and trap them,
it makes a bit more sense that somebody in this
high end of power would do anything in her power
to capture him. Yeah, and I mean she was adamant
(30:25):
on capturing him like more than anybody else. So that's
that's that was another big thing.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So so why do you think they haven't confirmed that
Trap is part of the Powers universe yet?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Money? That's that's specifically it.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think they were waiting to see if this movie
made enough money, and I don't know if it really did,
and so announcing it afterwards was just a testament to
see if it made enough money to announce this was
and we're bringing him in for another movie in the
in the the Powers Universe. But if it didn't make enough,
they didn't want to commit to another movie in an
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a franchise that may not have enough legs to keep
going if they build it off of this new character.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
SOE, I completely disagree. I think that they have no
there's no reason they needed to confirm this as part
of the track of the of the Powers Universe. I
think that M Night Shyamalan is going to continue to
make M Night Shayamalan movies. He's never going to have
a problem making these movies. He's had bad movies before,
movies that have underperformed before. They keep letting him make movies.
(31:30):
He made this movie, He's already said he made this
movie so his daughter could sing on stage, right. He
had he produced another movie for his other daughter to
direct a movie, right, the Watchers, and that was a
bad movie. He's going to continue to make movies. Someday.
I think we're going to see M. Knight Schamalan make
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a movie that feels like it's has nothing to do
with any of these universe this universe, and suddenly the
Butcher is going to show up in it, and they're
going to connect the Butcher to that the Unbreakable Universe,
the Powers Universe, and that movie that he's making to it,
and it's going to make people go back years later
(32:15):
to rewatch, which goes all the way back to the
sixth sense model, which he wants people to go back
and rewatch stuff again for him to be able to say, see,
I did this the whole time, because remember that moment
in Ocean's twelve. I know this seems weird, right, but
Bruce Willis is in this. Oh yeah, and Bruce Willis
is everybody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
This new You're dead. To him, I knew did the
whole time, and he's.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Like, oh, sure you did. I think he wants to
get years in advance. And then people start saying, well,
we knew all along, but that was part of the
you didn't and he's like, no, you didn't. You hated
this movie. We get to go on record two weeks
after this movie came out, and I actually on our
social media put it out right day out, tweeted too
(33:00):
about this that this is we know that this is
part of that universe because when that happens, and if
we're wrong, it's fun. But if we're right, I want
we have receipts. Yeah, using my Dion Sanders coach Brian,
I'm keeping the receipts right on this one.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, while we may never get a confirmation that the
Butcher is living alongside the characters who survived Glass and
I guess like the Sun, maybe the Sun all high powers,
we'd love to believe that someday a surprise could be
revealed in a future Chemalan movie. Else sure, well, I
think that's going to just about do it for this
week's episode. Thank you for tuning in if you're not familiar.
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Our weekly release schedule is Mondays. We're going to talk
about what we're excited about. It's a little late for Trap,
but we had to talk about the D twenty three
stuff last week, so we're talking about Trap this year.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Next week is going to be Alien Romulus almost certainly.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Wednesday is New Comic Book Day.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
This week we're going to be diving into the Anchor
Beings concept a little bit further, see if there's any
comic basis for that. And then Friday is our monthly series.
This month we are going through the Acolyte. Then this
week's episode will be interesting. I have a feeling we're
gonna be talking about the production quality of the of
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the series, so be sure to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Tune into the positive.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Be sure to tune into all of those, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I wrote that episode, the script for it. I know
what we're talking about. It's gonna end up being honest,
but I think it'd be good. A different conversation than
you've heard anywhere else.
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Speaker 1 (34:54):
May the Force be with you, May the Force be
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
With you all?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Wait this part is.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I like that movie
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Don't get Take you with Me, please,
Hey tatooin Sun's Family. This is David. Just a quick
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Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is Tattooine Sons, a pop culture podcast, the only
fan podcast to name a Cannon Star Wars creature and
to be endorsed by the writer director of The Last Jedi,
Ryan Johnson. M night Shalan's movies are often very polarizing,
so it's no surprise that Trapp has divided audiences. Some
absolutely hate it, Others suggest it feels like an Alfred
(02:22):
Hitchcock film. But for some reason, nobody seems to be
talking about the absolute certainty that this film is clearly
set in the Powers universe.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think it's funny that I made you say that line.
The absolute certainty.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yes, it's talk about absolute certainty.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, we'll talk about it is set in
the Powers universe, alongside Unbreakable Split and Glass.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
We'll explain why. Next. This is Tatooine Sons.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Was the name of the pork on the Millennium falcon.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Force? The storm in my family?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What do you think his name is? It's a big moment.
I am a Jedi like my father before me.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Maybe Urbis.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do ill do not?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It is no try Turbis Pablo. If you're listening to
this live stream, bat Pork's name is now Turbis. It's
a good star wars.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Name were not done yet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
These guys are recorded bossing the podcasts Atter, So everybody listen.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What's the first time you guys saw it? Was the
s Yes you guys?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, Nathan was way too young?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
How old? Way too young? I was like, hey, maybe dad,
sixth sense? And what time? It was like nine o'clock
at night when we started started it. Yeah, you were
already lied to me. You told me it was like
a crime thriller. It was a crime thriller in White World,
is sixth sense of crime thriller?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
A crime thriller?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, it's a crime thriller like that one lady's been
poisoning her kid.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And yeah, but it's not a crime thriller. You're not
following an investigation. He just happens to find out because
the dead the dead boy tells him, the little girl tells.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Him, well, it's freaking terrifying.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Did it take for you to get sleep?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Like a lot? That wasn't a good move. I mean,
I love the movie now, but.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Gosh, that was not the right age to show that.
I feel like every kid has to like go through
that at some point. That traumatic movie experience, Sam, it
was Spider Man three for you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I guess it was sixth Sense for me. Three
was his dramatic movie experience.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Mine had a bit bit more was more traumatic mindramatic.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, but he as I was older than I was
in Inspirement three, So that's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, welcome to Tattooing Sunday pop Culture Podcast. We believe
that pop culture is the mythology of this generation, that
there's a story written on our souls and that these
myths speak to that story, and that's why we're looking
at the mythology of the Powers universe, launched by m
Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable and its latest installment Trap at.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Least we think so.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I know, we know s Yeah, we know. We'll explain why.
And if you haven't figured that out and you've seen
this movie, you're gonna your mind's gonna get blown while
we talk about it.
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Please please anyway, I think enough talking about what we're
gonna talk about. Let's talk about what we're talking about.
All right, Let's start this off as we always do,
our letterboxed rating reactions to Trap. If you're not familiar,
letterbox as where you can rate and.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Log all the movie you are staying on top of
it every time you watch a movie, like when you
rewatch a movie like.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
That, I can get it. Yeah, you guys just watched
Alien versus Predator today, and okay, so what's your Alien
versus that?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's because this week when we.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Again, I'm trying to watch an alien movie that I
haven't seen every day until Romulus. I should be able
to get all of them done before I get to
that point, so I can.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Actually say three.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, I'm watching the Predator once too, so there's a
second Alien versus Predator, and then there's Alien three and
four Alien cubed I guess because it's the Power, and
then yeah, Alien Resurrection, So I gotta watch all those.
What was your letter box rating? I think it was
a two point five.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I like it was dumb and the amount of plot
holes numbed my.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Brain, but it was pretty cool to just see some
predators fighting a bunch of aliens, and yeah, a bunch
of aliens died and were killed, but it was like
by predator weapons. So it feel like it's more legitimate
than what happened in Alien.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Right, And I did some more research and I'm a
little bit more okay with what they did in Aliens.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They talk about that on the end up talking to
next week probably about Aliens. Rhyme.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll go ahead and do our letter box
rating of Trap.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You two saw it a little before. I did, yeah
day the day before.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And then I went and saw it with Olivia, and
so I want to get y'all's ratings first, Nate, let
you go.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I think I gave it a three point five or
four somewhere around there, alike. If I could give it
like a three point seven, I can't, But I can't. Uh,
it was good. I mean, you just take out everything
that I've kind of I kind of thought about it afterwards.
I think it's still a fun movie.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It was.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It was good enough and enjoyable enough, and I think
that the ending.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Was pretty good. It doesn't deserve a four then.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
No, That's why I'm kind of gravitating towards the three
point five but while I would gravitate towards the four,
is the revelations that come out from it, okay or
you think at least? Yeah, No, that I know because
I came up with it first.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I was the one that had I was going to
put like a three and a like. But I you know, again,
with the revelations that we're going to end up talking
about a little bit later, I would probably end up
putting it at three point That's that's the right way
for me to do this. If the revelations that we're
going to talk about are not true, it's a three
and a like. If those things are true, it's a
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high three point five on its way to exactly higher
than because of how it could play into some other
things in the future, and I think the reveals that
could happen in that would be fun. What about you, Sam,
We'll talk about the reveals later, but what were your
thoughts on the movie? What were we ring?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I would give it the exact same rating you did,
really exactly the same yep.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, I don't know what more to add to that.
I mean, it's just okay, So let's think the revelations out. Yeah,
let's talk about it. Just from a movie the way
that the general public is seeing this movie. What did
you guys think about this as sort of a mystery movie?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was good, fine.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That you know, it was an interesting enough premise. There
were some interesting moments in it. Some of the dialogue
felt extra clunky, like even more so than for like
an Night. What do you mean like that just weird,
not not good dialogue, Just it felt not natural in
any way.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Give me an example.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I can't remember an example off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
A T shirt guy, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
There were a.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Few moments, the mom or whatever, the other girl that
was having issues.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't know, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A lot of moments it just felt weird. And I
know it's supposed to be like he's putting on a
a a front for these people or whatever. You know,
He's just he's playing a character in that moment. But
there was just throughout the movie it felt kind of
clunky at points. It's a small gripe. It's not Prequels
level clunky at times, but it was just enough to
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where I was like, okay, it's kind of takes me
out of the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
For okay, I thought it was fun, cool concept. I
thought I was guessing the entire time how it was
going to end up, and I thought that the main
bad guy was was cool and interesting enough to kind
of keep me watching and wouldn't probably ever rewatch it.
But I enjoyed my time. If if it was one
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of those if I didn't have a list, I wouldn't
have seen it.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, absolutely, But I.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Have a lists, so I might as well go see it,
and I'm happy I did. It wasn't like other movies
that I've had the A list with and went to see,
and I was like, I probably should.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Have just skipped, like another sheim Alan, not an m
Night show. Yeah, like like Old but or the Watchers
or or the Watchers. Yeah, it wasn't great. Trap was fun.
I think that you know, in classic, if you take
out the reveals that we'll talk about in a few
moments and you just make this a self contained movie,
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the twist in this movie? What is the twist if
you take out the other reveals that we think we're
going to go through if it stays self contained, what's
the big twist for an M Night movie? I don't
know if there is really one.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There's not really one like that. You've come to know,
like this big overarching thing that's completely changed sense.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It is obviously that has been dead.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Come on, he's.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Been dead the whole time, right right, unbreakable. It's Glass
that's doing it all. Glass's not just that they're superheroes
are decades old.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But Split it's more than just the big reveal. And
Split is the end credits scene. Yeah pretty much.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I would give that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, what about Glass?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't remember. I haven't seen Glass.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
The big reveal is the organization that's and and the
psychiatrists that's actually.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Has been working with that organization signs. It's that all.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The weird quirks of the family and stuff end up.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Playing into how they defeat the alien right at the
end the village, they're actually not in some age like
one hundred and fifty years earlier than killing me right now,
It's okay, because these are all movies that people and
I think that it's important that we established that end
night Shimelan wants you to have to think to figure
(13:10):
out a lot of these ques.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, let's not. I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I wouldn't say that though, because he wants you to
think throughout the run time of the movie, what's the
twist going to be? And then he reveals it in
the end with this trap movie that you're thinking, if
they're the whole movie contained movie, you don't get that
there's no reveal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's why I think that's you know, we're going to
talk about the reveal in a minute, but I think
that's one of the that's actually an argument for this
reveal being real. It's it's him sitting there saying, everybody
wants this big reveal to happen, like for me to
spell it out. I'm not gonna spell it out for
you in this one. You're gonna have to figure this
(13:53):
one out for yourself. But it's there and when you
know it as we talk about okay, we're not going
to talk about the right now, but Nathan, you and
I were watching it. We figured it out in the
middle of the movie. You figured it out, and then
I figured it out with you, and then we were
like and then people even behind us as we were
talking about it, we're like, oh my gosh, they were
(14:14):
like picking up on what we talked about, and they're like,
they're right, it is right in our theater. We didn't
tease this at all to you, Sam before you saw
it the next day, and we intentionally held it back.
We didn't even like allude to them being this major twist.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I did kind of nothing but major, I know, more
than it's an night movie, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So we predicted that you weren't going to figure it
out during the movie, right, So when when you finished
the movie, I asked Nate, did you text him? And
what was the conversation the text?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Like, I was like, okay, so what was the big reveal?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
What was what was it all about? And so what
And you responded and told him what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
He walked me through some questions to let him get
to that conclusion himself, because all of the evidence is
there if you look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, if you go back and watch it again, which
again this goes to me back to the original M
Night Shimalan movie six sets.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Would they say it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Absolutely, But what was the fun of that movie was
not the first watch? The first watch?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
That movie is like first watch is horrible. It's like,
we don't talk about the first watch anymore. It's kind
of boring.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like what am I watching? I don't get it.
Once they revealed the twist at the end. The first
thing that you want to do is go back and
watch it again and it holds up right, Right, that's
an m Night Shimalan movie. So much so that I
rented this on DVD. I hadn't see it in the theater.
(15:49):
I didn't go to movies a lot at the time.
Rented this on DVD and immediately bought this movie on DVD.
It was the first movie I bought on DVD.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, that's the darn copy. We used to watch it,
and I flew home to my from from Alabama down
here to my parents in Colorado to visit my parents,
and I made my dad watch it, and then we
watched it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Again, right, and the second time through, it's a very
different movie. Yeah it is. That's an m Night Shymalan movie.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think m Night intentionally makes you did this on
purpose in this movie, to make you sit there and go.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Where's the twist?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
If you know it and you go back and rewatch
this movie, right, it's going to hold up. But if
you don't know it, you're not gonna figure it out.
And I think that's part of the charm of what
he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
With this movie.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Could you see that? Because your reaction when Nathan began
to ask you those questions was what.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It makes sense? Yeah, what you're it all holds up, Yeah,
it holds up all right.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So you know, while we all really enjoyed Trap, you know,
one thing that we we're pointing out, we've been alluding to,
is that this movie is obviously or it's obviously obviously
part of the Powers Universe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Okay, so what is the Powers Universe? For anyone who
may not be familiar.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The Powers Universe is the unexpected cinematic universe that am
not Uh set up within some of his movies. It
started off with his second movie, his second movie of
all time, Unbreakable.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now, this was just a standalone movie. It's about a guy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's a very realistic take on what superheroes would look like.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In today's world. It's this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
He just happens to be really strong, not like and
he can see people and yeah, it's basically like like
a hunch that's really really strong, right, And he's really
he's strong, but not to the point where it's like
Hulk level or anything.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's just more than your average person.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He's also never gotten sick and a plane or a
train crash, which is what kind of starts the whole movie,
things like that, right, And you watch the movie as
he discovers these abilities, right, and then in the end
you find out that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You really figure it out when he's lifting weights with
his son. Yeah scene is the scene.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, he keeps putting weighting on there. And you find
out in the end that this guy who's a comic
book collector, he's been walking Done. That's the David Dune,
that's the superhero. You know, he's been walking David Done
through this like discovery process, and he finds out that Glass,
mister Glass has orchestrated numerous different He's called mister Glass
(18:44):
because that's his name.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
His name is Ibra Glass.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right, and he's got brittle bone syndromes, so you can't like,
he's got to be very careful. And so you find
out that mister Glass has orchestrated numerous different catastrop fees
throughout the years, playing crashes, train crashes, including the one
that Done was on all to see all to find
(19:07):
a superhero.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And that was the exact opposite of him, right, someone
who's hearty nemesis.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, right, and so we did find that out, and
you know, that's the big reveal. A fantastic movie, right then,
years and years and years later, I don't remember when
this movie came out sixteen, it was just another it's
just another NI movie. It was split about this guy
who's got associative identity disorder, but like times a million.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Which looked really freaky in the trailers did which to
where we didn't watch this and it wasn't a while
really that freaky, but it looks like.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yes, that's That's the issue I have with some horror
trailers nowadays, is they make it look so much more
terrifying than it actually is, and it turns me off.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's got this guy, he's got associative identity disorder
with some like thirty plus personalities or something crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Twenty seven and then at one point there's the there's
this one personality that's alluded to throughout the movie called
the Beast. We're trying to wander, were runnering what it is.
It comes out turns out the Beast is some weird
l Physically changes. Yeah, he becomes really strong, he's able
to climb walls, but it's just by like grabbing imperfections
(20:13):
in the wall. He's almost like fully bulletproof too, like
he stops a shotgun round or something like. He's just
a complete freak of nature. Right, and that's the end
of the movie. He walks out. He's he's just escaped
into the real world at this point, and then there's
an end credit scene.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Stop okay, stop though if they don't do this end
credits scene, is there any way anybody is going to
be connecting this to the Unbreakable story at this point?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
No, not really No, I mean there might be, of course,
the crazy theory.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Same plot. There's this guy, he will talk about it later.
He's super strong, he overcomes stuff, he gets away. At
the end. There's no end credits scene making a big
reveal in the In app right, there is split in
split right, you see David Dunn in a bar watching
(21:06):
a news report of this guy, the Beast, getting out,
and I realize it and then Glass comes out.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I do not remember Glass at all. I know it's good,
I just do not remember.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Explain the name.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A few of these people are are around the You know,
David Dunn's still doing superhero work when he can the
Beast is still doing his thing, kidnapping teenage.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The girl that was kidnapped is a part of that story.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Is later on, but the Beast is kidnapping teenage girls again,
David Dunn stops him. They eventually both are put into
this type of psych psychiatric ward kind of come to
find out that's where mister Glass has been this entire time.
They start talking and finding ways and things that are
(21:55):
going wrong at the place, and then eventually try to escape, and.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And David does Son, who is a part of Memory,
is a part of this history.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
And so is the mother of Glass. She's a part
of us as well, and so as you know, the
girl that got away in Split. So they're all kind
of have some type of influence in this story as well.
It ends with David Dunn dying, Mister Glass dying, and
I think the Beast dies as well, after he tries
(22:23):
to attack a pretty power in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And then we come to find out which is important
because Unbreakable Glass and Split are all set in Philadelphia, yes, correct.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And then the main psychiatric lady, I don't remember what
her name is, but we come to find out that
she's actually a part of a secret organization that's trying
to kind of snuff out these superpowered beings around around
the world pretty much, and they're all part of them
and them know them, control them or and or kill them.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That's yeah, the general public isn't ready for that sort
of thing pretty much.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And that's that's the big reveal, that's the big twist,
And that's pretty much where it ends. Like they set
something up and then we're like, Okay, cool, great this
we're not getting another one made. That was kind of
where we came from because not class didn't underperform, but.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It just felt like it was the end of a trilogy.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yes, right, and so we didn't they Why would you
set something up at this point? I mean, all the
characters that we know are dead, Like, what's the deal here?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So yeah, So speaking of that, though, Trap has not
in any way in the movie or externally been confirmed
to be a part of the Powers universe.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But why do we think that it is now?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Now? Nate, when did it click for you in the movie? Well?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I started to get suspicions that something was off just
kind of at the beginning of the movie. Loud noises
were setting him off. He didn't eat any junk food
at all. He like took a piece of his pretzel
that he got with his daughter, like he was about
to chew it, and then the concert started and he
threw it in a cup on the ground. Like all
of this stuff was just off. So I needed something
(24:03):
was wrong with him, but I didn't know what. And
then he went serial killer. Of course something's wrong, well,
something unnaturally wrong, just with his his physical being. And
then he went to go help the T shirt guy
lift the boxes, and the T shirt guy's like, hey,
can you can you help me with this? And he
just picks it up and he's like, Wow, you're so strong,
(24:23):
and I'm like, that's a really weird line.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He feels okay, yes in an m Night Shymalan movie
and set in Philadelphia, right, that suddenly makes you go way.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah exactly, And I was like, Okay, there's something else.
There's something really going on here. There's he's strange. I
didn't connect it at that point, but I did. Something
triggered in me, like that was a weird line, right.
And people have complained about that scene really because.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
They act like it doesn't make any It's like it
feels without without it being there, it feels weird in
an m Night Shimalan movie. It's there on purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right, You like say that about old and old was
just bad and all around.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So okay, okay, well some people really like old somehow,
I don't compared to you, And I never saw knock
the knock at the cabin.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But what else? Keep going that'll happen.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And then when it clicked for you, Dad, is when
we saw the Butcher kidnapping Spencer. I think through that
security footage when he's.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah yeah, yea, yeah yeah, when they see the guy
that's been kidnapped, that's the central plot point of what's
going on with this whole story. He's been kidnapped. We
finally see the close circuit TV footage and he's there's
this van and somebody is in the van. You can't
see him, and Spencer walks up close to the van
(25:40):
and it happens so fast you could think it's a
glitch in the in the CCTV footage. I didn't see
it as a glitch in the cct It felt to
me like he grabbed it at my At that very moment,
I leaned over to you and I said, this is
part of the glass stuff in this because that felt
(26:03):
like a superhero. And then there's more things. The names
of the character is what is what really kind of
started to connect it with me. I mean, in the
villain is a Butcher, which is an awesome name for
a serial killer. Just to the Butcher, it's it's cool.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
But then you bring in some of the other names
from the Glass universe, which I totally did not connect that.
David Dunne's superhero name is the Overseers. It's called the
Overseer or sometimes he's called the Protector.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So cool, such a cool superhero name.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You have the Overseer, You of course have mister Glass,
then you have the Beast, and.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
There's also and that same actor, James Mackvoy's character is
called the Horde as well.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yes, and then you have the Butcher, all various superheroesque names,
and then you bring in the Butcher with these strangely
superhuman abilities and you can even throw in there superintelligence.
The dude had every type of scenario dealt with anything, like,
had it planned out and was able to improvise quick
(27:05):
on his feet, and in some.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ways the dude has like the abilities that oh gosh,
what's her name? Inde Domino where she's lucky. I mean seriously, dude,
just like got lucky for many different times in this movie, right,
but it kind of feels like at points he's just
gotten lucky. So, so, what are some reasons why you
(27:29):
think this Butcher character, other than the things that we've
talked about, is a powered being.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Well, I mean, towards the end, he eats a piece
of pie that apparently has like a whole bottle of
skills at or a ton at least she's been using
to drug his like, and he says, just a just
one or two will do, and then he takes like
an entire bottle. So you think he's gonna be zonked
out pretty quick. So he starts walking and hallucinating his
(27:57):
mother and all that stuff. That's kind of the big
big I guess motivation for him.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The Horde.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, well because you know, yeah, they beat Oh
I'm not saying it is, but that that makes it
connect to the same ideas.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Right, And so he takes a bunch of sleeping pills
and then he goes and gets tased four times and
is fine, like walks out and is completely underneath under
his own weight, is completely okay. And then he gets
it to the van and planned on being kidnapped because
he kept a piece of paper clip.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I think no, he took us spoke off of.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
He took off of the bike wheel and had that
planned and then escaped.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And he gets away at the end. Yeah, he's gone.
What were the questions that you asked Sam after the
do you remember.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
When you text?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think it was just kind of like asking about
the pie. Asking about it was more just like leading him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Was the Philadelphia connection that got me because I did
not pick up that that's where they were or.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That that's where the Powers Universe was set.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So yeah, I mean all of well a lot of
them night movies are set in Philadelphia, but it just
feels a little convenient that all of these are so
similar to each other, set in the same place, all
of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And then you bring in I don't know if we're
talking about the profiler Hailey Mills, who's which is really
interesting because her start in film was to play a
twin character in the movie Parent Trap, and then she's
one of the main characters in this movie Trap. Yeah,
(29:39):
but her character there was something not off with her,
just you know that there was more going on with her.
They focused on her too much, focused on her knowing
about the butcher a lot, and just a lot of
these things that they set up that they never really
realized and kind of gave us more about it, like
how did she know so much? I know, again, people
(30:01):
had issues with a lot of people. It's fair.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
But when you kind of think about it from the
way that Glass ended, and an organization of people that
know a ton about superpower beings and make it their
job to know about them and control them and trap them,
it makes a bit more sense that somebody in this
high end of power would do anything in her power
to capture him. Yeah, and I mean she was adamant
(30:25):
on capturing him like more than anybody else. So that's
that's that was another big thing.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So so why do you think they haven't confirmed that
Trap is part of the Powers universe yet?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Money? That's that's specifically it.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think they were waiting to see if this movie
made enough money, and I don't know if it really did,
and so announcing it afterwards was just a testament to
see if it made enough money to announce this was
and we're bringing him in for another movie in the
in the the Powers Universe. But if it didn't make enough,
they didn't want to commit to another movie in an
(31:01):
a franchise that may not have enough legs to keep
going if they build it off of this new character.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
SOE, I completely disagree. I think that they have no
there's no reason they needed to confirm this as part
of the track of the of the Powers Universe. I
think that M Night Shyamalan is going to continue to
make M Night Shayamalan movies. He's never going to have
a problem making these movies. He's had bad movies before,
movies that have underperformed before. They keep letting him make movies.
(31:30):
He made this movie, He's already said he made this
movie so his daughter could sing on stage, right. He
had he produced another movie for his other daughter to
direct a movie, right, the Watchers, and that was a
bad movie. He's going to continue to make movies. Someday.
I think we're going to see M. Knight Schamalan make
(31:51):
a movie that feels like it's has nothing to do
with any of these universe this universe, and suddenly the
Butcher is going to show up in it, and they're
going to connect the Butcher to that the Unbreakable Universe,
the Powers Universe, and that movie that he's making to it,
and it's going to make people go back years later
(32:15):
to rewatch, which goes all the way back to the
sixth sense model, which he wants people to go back
and rewatch stuff again for him to be able to say, see,
I did this the whole time, because remember that moment
in Ocean's twelve. I know this seems weird, right, but
Bruce Willis is in this. Oh yeah, and Bruce Willis
is everybody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
This new You're dead. To him, I knew did the
whole time, and he's.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Like, oh, sure you did. I think he wants to
get years in advance. And then people start saying, well,
we knew all along, but that was part of the
you didn't and he's like, no, you didn't. You hated
this movie. We get to go on record two weeks
after this movie came out, and I actually on our
social media put it out right day out, tweeted too
(33:00):
about this that this is we know that this is
part of that universe because when that happens, and if
we're wrong, it's fun. But if we're right, I want
we have receipts. Yeah, using my Dion Sanders coach Brian,
I'm keeping the receipts right on this one.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, while we may never get a confirmation that the
Butcher is living alongside the characters who survived Glass and
I guess like the Sun, maybe the Sun all high powers,
we'd love to believe that someday a surprise could be
revealed in a future Chemalan movie. Else sure, well, I
think that's going to just about do it for this
week's episode. Thank you for tuning in if you're not familiar.
(33:40):
Our weekly release schedule is Mondays. We're going to talk
about what we're excited about. It's a little late for Trap,
but we had to talk about the D twenty three
stuff last week, so we're talking about Trap this year.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Next week is going to be Alien Romulus almost certainly.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Wednesday is New Comic Book Day.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
This week we're going to be diving into the Anchor
Beings concept a little bit further, see if there's any
comic basis for that. And then Friday is our monthly series.
This month we are going through the Acolyte. Then this
week's episode will be interesting. I have a feeling we're
gonna be talking about the production quality of the of
(34:15):
the series, so be sure to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Tune into the positive.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Be sure to tune into all of those, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I wrote that episode, the script for it. I know
what we're talking about. It's gonna end up being honest,
but I think it'd be good. A different conversation than
you've heard anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, I guess we said at the top of the show.
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(34:51):
But is there anything else that you would like to say?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
May the Force be with you, May the Force be
with you?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
With you all?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Wait this part is.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I like that movie
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Don't get Take you with Me, please,
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