Reimagining Episode IX: Was the Death of Carrie Fisher a Missed Opportunity to Reboot Star Wars?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did Disney miss a huge opportunity, one of the biggest
in Star Wars history? So imagine with me episode nine,
kicking off with Leis passing. You've got Kylo Ren emotionally wrecked.
You have Ray, Poe, Finn Rose leading a devastated resistance

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while finally learning to stand on their own two feet,
as the DCU is experiencing reboot with the release of
James Gunn's Supermando or where you have a lot to
say about that. We can't help but wonder if Star
Wars missed a massive opportunity sparked by the death of
Carrie Fisher, Well look at it together. This is Tattooine Sons.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome to Tatooine's Sons, a Star Wars podcast, the only
fan podcast to name a cannon Star Wars creature and
to be endorsed by the writer and director of The
Last Jedi, Ryan Johnson. Get ready to celebrate a galaxy far,
far away across the generations. Here are your hosts, David

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the bow Tie, Jedi Guy, Samuel the Hutt and b B.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Nate.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Welcome Star Wars fans. This is Tattwoen Sons. You're a
weekly looking to all things Star Wars from the unique
perspective of a father sharing his love for the amazing
space fantasy saga with his two sons. I m BB
Nate and I am joined first by my brother Samuel
the Hutt. Due to Star Wars fans, and if you're
not a Star Wars fan, don't worry. You're eating good
at the movies this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
And I'll tell you what a great few weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
It's been one of the greatest all time blockbusters summers.
I feel like in a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Ways, it's been a lot more to come. Yeah, it's
gonna be fantastic. But and of course you can't have
Star Wars without bizarre father figures. On bad note, here's
my dad, the buck tie Jedi guy. We are a
primarily a Star Wars podcast. Now again it's poetry rhyme's yeah, right,
But I have a feeling that our movie segment may
be longer than our star probably in the Star Wars

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segment will also probably include some of the movie segments, So.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
It might, it might.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I have no idea where that conversation will go with it,
but yeah, very excited to have another monthly conversation with
the tattline Suns. What's been going on in your guys'
amazing world? Nathan, you you've you're having a good weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
My girlfriend's back in town for a few days, about
five days from her work. She's been gone for the summer,
so been hanging with her. Got to see Superman, which
she really liked rightfully, so it was a very good movie.
But yeah, it's been It's been a lot of fun.
So that's awesome, Sam, what's been going on in your world?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I was boring. Now I'm an adult. I mean, I
don't know, it's not all bad. I tried to go
to the beach a couple of weeks ago. It got
rained out, which bummed me out. So to make myself
feel better, I went to Target and got the giant
Lego de Laurie and.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Watched all Back to the Future as I built that.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
So, you know, I mean, I may be an adult
with adult money, but I still, you know, spend it
on childish.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's the beauty of being part of a single adult Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy it for as long as I can.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So that's cool.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, for me, it's been just one of those crazy
world wind weeks with work, right, I've been on I've
spent three days driving to Mississippi and back and doing
work while I was over there. And there was actually
a point late last night where I thought I was
going to be going to Mississippi again today. Yeah, unfortunately
didn't have to do that. Yeah, that's gonna you know,

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one thing's get into a rhythm with what I'm doing
worth work right now. It'll probably be two three days
of that, a week of being hopefully closer to home
but being a little bit out of pocket for that time,
but also having more flexibility the rest of the week.
So that'll be good. I'm excited. But today it's a
really kind of interesting moment. We teased it in the

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in the opening to this, but we're going to talk
a lot about the Superman maybe that came out and
the reboot of the DCU and how that worked. You know,
it's it's it was a it's a huge moment for
that franchise too, and they had it either was going
to work or it was going to fail miserably and
be the death of DCU in the cinema. Yeah, it

(04:24):
was a gamble. And we'll talk about what we think
about that, but it's you know that. And also a
really interesting video. I saw a YouTube video by heavy
Spoilers a for weeks back a couple of weeks ago,
where he was looking at he called it the death
spiral of nostalgia bait, and he was talking about Star

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Wars and Marvel and franchises like that, and how this
obsession with nostalgia, both from a studio perspective and a
fan perspective, has kept certain franchises down and actually, once
you get into that death spiral it's hard to get
out of it with nostalgia. And it had me thinking

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really seriously about Star Wars and how an idea that
we had all the way back in the time period
between the Last Jedi and Episode nine, we had an
idea of how how many years ago is that now? Well,
it was twenty seventeen. December twenty seventeen was the Last
Jedi nineteen, so that was a two year period. So
all the way back during that period we had an

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idea how we thought it would be cool for Star
Wars Lucasfilm Disney to have handled the death of Carrie Fisher.
And that got me thinking about what could that implication
have played forward in the story and could that have
actually been a really effective soft reboot of Star Wars

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with it? And so we're we're going to talk a
little bit about that, but we've got lots of other things.
And if we're already going to talk about nostalgia, we
might as well talk about that Coca Cola Star Wars
commercial that came out.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
That plays before movies and ames it did? It played?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It was the company like they're releasing a bunch of
like actual coke. Yeah, we'll talk about that, But enough
talking about what we're going to talk about. Let's talk
about what we're talking about. This is the fun of
Theiggin's all right, guys. So we got this Coca Cola
and Star Wars team. Yeah, moments like an Avengers or.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
They literally did Avengers last year.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, so we'll talk a little bit about that. You know,
when I was a kid, coke was just coke. You
just drank coke bottles. And now we've got these massive
and I guess they've been doing collectors versions for a while.
I think your grandparents, your mom's parents had a ton
of these at one point of different means. I know
we had like Christmas bottle. Yeah, that's what the Broncos

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we did have some point. What's your first memory of
Star Wars and Coca Cola connecting? Do you guys have
any like memory of that at all? I mean the
first thing that comes to mind is like the fancy bottles.
I've got a galaxies Yeah, kind of kind of that area,
like there is something I've never associated it too.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, and so it's cool.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
So they did this, they're doing this collaboration. These are
limited to dish limited. I can't get my words out
of the limited edish. You can write this stuff, but
you can't say it. Limited edition cans and bottles where
you collect them and they have augmented reality built into

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them and all of this kind of stuff. So when
you think about like Star Wars collectibles, especially like these
coke bottles, would what would you do? I'll start with you, Sam,
would I mean, is this open and drink these bottles?
Are these cans and then just hold the receptacle you know,
on a shelf or something like that, use it for

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the a augmented reality or is this never opened them
at all?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
What's your first thought?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I mean, I think it's coke cans. You can probably
get enough to do both, like drink them.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
It's like thirty of them, and some of them you
can only get at Disney World or Disneylan.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Really, yeah, that's cool. I don't know. I would.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
I would try to keep them like sealed, but I
don't know if over time it'll like eat through the
aluminum and like start leaking everywhere. That to your gut, right, right, Yeah,
so I'll put it in my body instead.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I may that may not even be an issue. But
I'm just like, I think I've heard of that happening.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, if you do keep it sealed, just don't leave
it on a windowsill in the sun.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
That comes from past experience, what happened. I'm trying to
remember this.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So when Marvel did the Cloud with oh, and I'd
never opened it, and then I was moving rooms, all
my stuff was in your room, Dad, and so the
coke man sat on the windowsill for probably a couple
of weeks at that point because we were just getting
things out Sam's moving out. I was moving into his
old room because it was bigger, like all that stuff,

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and so I go into the room to get all
the stuff and that's pretty much the last thing I grabbed,
because I grabbed everything off sure first and I pick
it up and there's but there's a puddle of coke
on the floor, and I'm like, dang it, how did
this happen? And I'm looking around and I don't see
a hole.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, just it.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't see any hole it, but it feels like
it's ready to explode. So the sun he sanded it,
and so I was holding it, and then I decided
a great idea right now is to shake it.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
What were you thinking?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was hoping that it would excite the liquid in
it enough to spew out of whatever hole was there
that was not visible. And no, it worked. It did
not explode, but it started. There was the tiniest little
pin hole that opened from the sun in the side
of it, and it started shooting out like a tiny strea.

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And so I was holding it as the stream was
coming out. And I had to be holding it for
about two minutes before I noticed the stream. And then
I started seeing wet stuff on the wall and I
was like, what's going on? And then I look, I'm like, oh,
there's a spider web on it, because it looked like
a spiderweb and it was the coke stream.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I was like, so you have a sealed can
it's just empty.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, that's gotten a cool.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Actually did have to open it the liquid out because
I mean I have to.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'd have to have that. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
But so just don't leave in a window sill. If
you do, get a can of Star Wars coke and
keep it sealed. So it's it's a really cool. There
was like a two and a half minute version of
the video of two and a half It is so
much fun to watch. I mean people, I grabbed my
attention immediately and it had Actually it's been shared a
couple of times on the Star Wars dad's community. They

(10:57):
were and I'll talk about that a little bit later.
Because it opens with the dad and their son. Dad's
dressed like Darth Vader's son's dress like a Jedi. They're
going to a movie, a Star Wars movie is showing
of a new op Yeah, in a movie theater, and
the whole place is act with it.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's so cool.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
There's one of the dads in our community is the
one that actually built.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
He's in the Droid Builders.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
He's the one that actually built the K two s
oh in that that's in it.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's his K two s O. That's in it. I've
seen it. We're actually gonna have.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
A session on our community where he talks about durid
building and how to do it, get started in it
and that kind of stuff. That's awesome, but they really
the campaign slogan or whatever, the theme of it is
refreshing your galaxy?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Did you do didn't know what refreshing means in Star Wars? Well,
that's what I'm wondering, and wondering if there is a
toilet that's a toilet? Okay, No, I mean so that's
a little bit of a little bit of a no.
I never got that's I never thought that's never went
to But.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I get where Dad's about to go at this.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well, is this is this just marketing speak, like you know,
coked refreshing or does it actually you know, resonate with
the idea of Star Wars maybe kind of having a
fresh start, rebooting, getting back to to to some of
I mean this nostalgia think that we're gonna be talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I think it needs to But I do think it
needs to get back to where we were and just
getting back to being okay with bringing in a new
generation of the fans we need to. I'll talk more
about it with Superman, because I think that it was
a really big deal that will help with Star Wars.
But I think that there's a lot that needs to
be said about it's been six years since we've had

(12:39):
a Star Wars movie in theaters. We're kind of we're
dealing a lot with the fallout of kind of how
that's affecting Star Wars. It's you can have as many
TV shows as you want, you can have as many
games as you want, even though we've had a very
kind of small amount of games, good games at least,

(13:01):
but Star Wars lives in the cinema and it should
always live in the cinema. And so the fact that
we have not gotten a Star Wars movie in a
while is not great. I mean, what Force Awakens came
on in twenty fourteen, fifteen, about ten years post Revenge
of the Sith, and we're six years past and we're

(13:23):
getting another movie. We're getting me Lauri and Grogu next year,
so that's seven years. But that's pretty close to the
gap of Revenge of the Sith and Force Awakens, which
is crazy to think about. We've waited that long since
the last Star Wars movie. Well, we've had more content.
Didn't expect to wait that way. Yeah, we were always
hoping we would continuously get more Star Wars content in
the theater, but we have, and we're.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Supposed to have gotten a new Star Wars two years ago.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, and I know that there's been issues with you know,
COVID and then writers' strikes and actors strikes and everything
that's been going on there, but it really needs to
come down to the fact that Star Wars needs to
live in the cinema and so that's what we need
to be going back to it. And that's what I
think this video showed, even from the short version, this

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is playing before movies now, at least in AMC. It's
showing how Star Wars lives in the theater and it
needs to be back.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, this summer alone is proof that people want
to go to the movies, They want to go to
the theater.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Heck, Jurassic World Rebirth, which three hundred and forty dollars
on a five day weekend.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, people want.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
To go to the movies they want to be in
the theater. Put Star Wars back in its home turf.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
So the they're they're using in these these coke bottles,
cans and all that they're using ar to let fans
share uplifting messages like Star Wars holograms like lea is
the way that that works?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
That's cool? So you like it is is it cool?
Or yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
It's cool enough. I mean, it's it's fun to have it.
It's a novelty thing that you'll do on some mess
that's cool. And then you'll but you'll want to click
more because it's like, oh, that's a Star Wars character. Yeah,
I'll grab a coke, and I know that's exactly what
they're hoping for. You'll be you thought, you exactly what they.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Did with the coke bottle name thing, and they only
grab it because it's your name or someone you know's name.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, you're gonna buy it for a friend of yours.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
You're gonna be on a road trip and you'll be like, oh,
the Star Wars character on that, I can go for
a coke and then you'll just grab it. So like
that'll be the point, and they do it with all
their flavors to coke zero about that, because there's interesting
that they there's they're doing one thing that I think
maybe actually like.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
All the dark sized characters on the one. But we'll
do that in a second.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
They've got lots of different characters in this. I mean
they got like old school Lando. They have droids with
a soca and yeah they do have they have drug
droids on this. What's the one character if you saw
that bottle in Circle K, you see that character on there?
Your gradin like with Marvel it was Daredevil. Yeah right,
what would you Nathan?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
What would you go? Ezra? No doubt if I see
you are on there, I'm picking.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Which version the Rebel Show or the live app either
either it doesn't matter, no either it's good. What about you,
Sam Tervis?

Speaker 3 (16:15):
That would be cool that happen?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, No, I mean it's it's as long as the
arts cool. It's got to be cool.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Both okay, book a Boba fet Boba fet or Empire
boba fet.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
As long as he's got the helmet on the books.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Holiday's special holidaysba FETs cool?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
What about like proto boba fat white version?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
I said, Boba fet as long as he's wearing the
helmet and looks cool, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I'm going against remorse, So so clone troopers are
good too. No, that I wonder. I haven't really gotten
into like seeing exactly which character is characterizations they have,
but I wonder if they do well we wan kenobe,
if they do the un version or they do the
Old Man.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
They may do both, they might do all them. With
that said, when does this happen? It's already out. People
get there.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, okay, we're like, let's stop the recording with that.
Darth Vader is on the zero sugar can that makes sense?
Is just dartha I don't know of anybody else. But
what do you guys think about that? It's no sugar,
there's no sweetness in and whatsoever. It's also and also yeah,
the coke zero line is just all black the labels

(17:24):
are so that helps wonder what cherry Coke is going
to be jar jar the purls okay, might as well,
didn't we people are going to get these Star Wars
coke cans and put them in their Droid Carrier drink
coolers that they got from episode.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I think a buddy of mine Actually, you have to
tell that he was going to do that.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I had.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I had a friend who doing the same thing I do, is,
you know, using his adult money.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
For something stupid things.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, he bought one of those, you know coolers, the
Droid carrier coolers from episode one off of eBay. Spent
like I don't even know how much because they don't
make them anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
They're expensive.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
And I think he talked about wanting to like put
the like Star Wars cocains in it. I'm like, you
you need help. No, I can't. Also, I can't judge.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And they came with the lids too for them, Yeah,
the heads.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
So this partnership with Disney goes all the way back
to the beginning of Disneyland. Yeah, And there's so much
nostalgia that's tied to both. We talked about that a
few weeks a couple of times ago when we talked
about it Epic versus Disney and nostalgia and that kind
of stuff with that. Do you think that this kind
of campaign around nostalgia is good for Star Wars? Do

(18:44):
you think it can help grab people bring them back
in kind of change their thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I don't don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I think it's just another collector's thing that they're going
to do. I mean they did it with Marvel and
it was fine. I don't know how successful they these came.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, No, they're successful. Yeah, okay to me.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean both the Marvel one and this Star Wars
one are kind of it's just kind of gimmicky to me.
I don't have a problem with them. Yeah, I don't
know if it's gonna make me really want to get
a can more Like I saw iron Man coke bottles
when that was happening, and it never made me like
choose a coke over like what something else I wanted

(19:24):
to drink, you know, And iron Man's my dude.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I love iron Man.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
So I don't understand like quite how effective it is.
But I'm sure for certain people, like like you know, collectors,
they're gonna want to get it, and so it's fine.
It's not hurting anything. I don't think it's gonna hurt
Star Wars to do this.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I do think it's interesting that it is.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
We the more we've talked about it, the more interested
I am, and like we joked about it go into
circle K as soon as possible and find.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
I mean, if I with that one, I'll you know,
I might grab one for tonight when I'm just hanging
out playing a game or something, and I'll have a Coke.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
But have we not talked about this, it wouldn't have
even been on my mind.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
So all right, so let's predict what's the next big
franchise that now we'll team up with. They can't I
don't think. I mean Marvel's Disney. Star Wars is Disney.
Coke partners at Disney, but Coke also partners with Universal,
so could be anybody Universal. Yeah, they're gonna do Christopher

(20:21):
Nolan's Odyssey. Yea have like just mythological Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
The giant on there. It's funny. All right.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, I mean we'll have to see what happens with that.
Just when you thought that Coca Cola and Star Wars
were refreshing our galaxy, bringing in a new new era
for US, Disney Plus pulls a Jedi mind track and
cuts three highly anticipated shows.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
So we're going to.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Dive into the disappointment of this. See if the force
is still strong with our favorite franchises on bad.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
News, Well, you want the bad news are they're really
bad news.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
So inside the magic so our favorite yesterday. Okay, according
to the day we recorded this. We can't see into
the future.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
When you're listening to this, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Anyway, the headline of it is Disney Plus cuts three
shows Marvel and Star Wars. Iron Heart performed that baint. No, No,
it didn't actually really performed really really well. Uh So
they've got this new Silzl reel that Disney Plus just
dropped and it's typing a bunch of cool stuff coming

(21:32):
wonder Man.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Looks cool. I'm excited. But there were shows in there
that weren't included with it.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Marvel Zombies Eyes of Wakanda were not included that and
Vision's Volume three are not. No, they cut Eyes of
Wakonda even though they released the trailer attached to Ivory
Ironheart episode. That's crazy. Yeah, So what do you think
about this? Is there a disturbance in the forest? Are

(21:59):
these am I A? Are they just out having some
more blue milk? What?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I think it was just a sizzle reel for a
sizzle worl. I mean you got to think also, all
three of those that you mentioned are animated shows. I
don't think this sizzle reel had any other animated shows
on it. It was all live action from my knowledge,
so that could just be they were showing their live
action slate coming up, because Marble Zombies, Marvel Zombies itself
has no reason to be on that scissorreel. Animated, yeah,

(22:28):
Aswakonda animated anthology series that has already gotten its own
trailer like a week or two ago, Visions Visions Niche,
but it's also animated, and it's not going to be
on a sizzle reel like that live action. So these
are it's just they're still in production. They've confirmed them,
they're done with all of them. Like people need to

(22:51):
calm down.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, I agree. I think it's it's a lot of noise.
I mean they're slow news. I mean news for sure. Yeah,
well okay, I shouldn't have said that, because there's a
lot of news to talk about right now with movies
and stuff. But yeah, I think that's just it's just
they're grasping nut straws for something with that. There's nothing there.
I'm looking forward Division's season three, one of those monkey bots,

(23:15):
because we're getting a follow up to Ninth Jedi, right, Yes,
that season. Aren't we getting a follow up series Ninth Jedi.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, we're getting a follow up episode to the Ninth
Jedi and the Village Bride, and then we're getting a
new series for the Ninth which they animated that animated
sequence in Kill. Bill watched that, and notice that the
Ninth Jedi people animated the animated sequence of Kill. So
so they are you know one thing that wasn't included
Marvel Zombies is you guys brought it up. It's it's

(23:44):
tvm A. It's supposed to be coming out this October.
Do you think that's one of the big reasons they're
not promoting that within a sicle real is because they
they do want to protect like young wings from getting.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Excited absolutely knowing about it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Letting parents be yeah, I mean yeah, I mean you
got to think about this. If say a twelve year
old kid is watching this season Sizzle Reel for some reason,
I don't know very many twelve year olds I watched Sizzleheels,
but anyway, and they see a new Marvel project already
could be pretty exciting. And then zombies, I mean, kids
love zombies. They're cool, like certain certain kinds, certain depictions

(24:23):
of them right, of course, that kid's gonna be interested
in watching it, and then it's gonna be Shoot, why
am I forgetting the guy who like created it? He
was Walking Dead Invincible, Robert Kirkman. Yeah, it's gonna be
Robert Kirkman Zombies. So it's gonna be gory, yeah and violent. Yeah,
that's just not something that kids need to see now.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I think if you're gonna see it, you're gonna find
out about it, and you're gonna want to watch it
if you're of age. I don't think that they really
need to promote it much to the animated show. It's
Marvel Zombies. It's based off of the one if episode. Like, yeah,
it's not gonna have a huge audience now. I think
it's just a fun little path project and what happens
happens kind of at this point because it's been in
production for years and so it's just gonna be whatever

(25:07):
it is. But as Wakanda's going to be pretty good.
I'm excited for that. I think that comes out on
the quick birthday, like in August.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'm produced.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, so that's gonna be fun. I'm excited to see that.
They keep doing the whole from executive producer Ryan Cougler thing,
which I feel like is their only marketing campaign right now,
after Sinners. They did the same thing for Ironheart, not
in the trails. Before Sinners, they didn't even mention Ryan Kugler.
But after Sinners, you could tell their entire marketing campaign
completely changed, and it seemed like they're doing the same

(25:37):
well Ryan Cougler, though he's also tied to the Black Panther, right,
no doubt, no doubt, It's just it was it was
funny to see their their tone change. And then yeah,
Visions is an anime and and that'll that'll do well
in itself for the people that enjoyed Visions. And hey,
fingers crossed, we get screened this again because we've never
actually watched Visions.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
When it came. No, we've always watched these sure, yeah,
so fingers crossed to keep trying to be the.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Same without the watermark on it, I.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Know, like I'll have to watch it not doctored, Like,
come on, I don't want to see that. But I
am very excited for Visions. I think that's probably my
most anticipated Star Wars. It's my only Star Wars project
for the rest of.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
The well I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I don't think we're having anything else this year,
but no, very excited for that for Star Wars wise,
on the same level as Man Laori and Groku.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I'm very excited for Visions. I think it'll be good.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I think we've got great Star Wars stuff happening the
next couple of years, leading into twenty twenty seven, which
is going to be the ultimate year for Star Wars fans.
I have a feeling I think they've got a lot
planned before that, and I don't This is again, this
segment is always about making fun of horribly click bait
heavn and I feel like we only go to like
three sources because they're the worst, they're the worst of

(26:50):
the worst. But we also, I mean we normally don't
do screen ramp, but we've been to sweep around a
couple of times recently, and like Inside the Magic, we
got this covered bounding into this comic, you know that.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So yeah, with this, well, just when you thought that
the Force might be fading away with rumors about Disney
Plus's cuts, which are not true, we're shifting gears to
a new superhero saga. Superman has landed and it's time
to see if this latest film can soar or if
it falls like a lead lined box of kryptonite.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
A surprised to be sure, but it welcome on.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
All right, gentlemen, the Red Cape is back with the
goal with the yellow.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Symbol on the back. Superman has landed again.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
What was your immediate I'm gonna start with you, Sam,
because I know once we started with Nate we'll never
get into stop. What was your immediate gut reaction to
the new movie? And let's see if we can do it.
I know it's going to be hard. One word answers,
one word for now, Sam, one word reaction, right, I.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Hope I don't say that about a fantastic for inspiring
Samuel or Nathan. Can you do it hopeful, which is
what you want from Superman? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Absolutely that Those were both words that I was thinking
airing with it sincere human human, Yeah is what I
would say with that. Nate, all right, let's let you
let the fugates open. You've practically been counting down the clock.

(28:33):
Oh no, I actually did have a countdown app so
I woke up in the morning on the day we
saw it. Superman didn't live up to the hype or
are you feeling more Kryptonite than super right now?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
No, it exceeded the hype. It was a comic book
come to life.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
The next one that I feel like is more of
a comic book come to life would be would be
amazing to spine Man two, which hot take. I know
I'm gonna get a lot of flak for that, but
I do feel like amazing. Spider Man two feels like
a comic arc in a line. I mean, you read it.
You have a bunch of characters. You have the villains,
you have the ending with Gwen dying, you have Spider
Man and the dumps. Then you leave it to the
next line or even the next author to pick it

(29:16):
up and try to figure out what to do with
this with this Superman. You have the Justice Gang, you
have Lex Luthor, you have the you have the We're
okay to going to spoilers right Oh.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, just if you're listening spoiler right now. Alert.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
We we're really bad about saying spoiler alerts. You should
probably just always expect spoilers from us.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, but spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Go see the movie if you haven't seen it twice,
If you haven't and then come back to this. But
you start the movie with Superman defeated, bold choice, bold choice.
But you come into this with them him going to
the fortress and cryptos there and the Superman robots are there,
and you're already in a world that's been established, and

(29:56):
you're like, wait, I just feel like I picked up
an issue of a comic book and I'm reading the
next arc like a jumping on point. And then you
go when he fights the Hammer of Bravia some more,
and then you have these You even have breaks in
the movie full black screens. I feel like, here's the
next issould be the next issue, Like that's the ending,

(30:16):
you know, one where he goes into prison black screen.
We see the next day he's still in prison, picking
up from there, and it's just I could I Most
of the time when I watch comic book movies, I
think in my mind, I'm like, how could I see this?
Like in a panel layout in art? And it was
so easy with this movie because of how it was shot,
how it was written, the pacing, just everything about it

(30:40):
comic book movie come to life. And not only that
this was a Superman comic book movie come to life.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Man of Steel. I'll say it.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Again, really well done superhero movie. It is not a
good Superman movie. It's not Superman. In my opinion, this
was Superman. It was optimistic, it was hopeful, it was inspiring.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean, it was human everything, every warm.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, you can there's so many aggressives I could
use for it. But I mean you start the movie
with him in the in the fortress saying what the hey,
dude to crypt and you're immediately like, Okay, this is
one of them good old Kansas farm boy characters. And
then you don't even say heck, no, golly, golly, sorry chum,
Like like, there was so many moments where I'm just like,

(31:32):
this is this is Superman.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
This is a Superman that gave us.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
What chrispher Reeve was like just Christopher Reeve was ahead
of his time, There's no doubt about it. His Superman
was ahead of his time, ahead of the technology, ahead
of even the writing for a movie that would work
for Superman. But we're in the right time now, we're
in the right time for Superman. Right technology, you can
make a Superman movie how it supposed to be. And

(32:02):
that is what we got this time.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
You know, you say the right time for a Superman movie.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
And when I got home after the screening, I was
letting chubs out and I was getting ready to write
my quick little letterbox review. And I don't normally like
write in my letterbox review, but I was like, I
feel like I want to say something about this, and
I was thinking about the movie. I'm like, this movie
came out at a very yeah, potent time for it

(32:29):
to come out. Everything it feels like maybe it's just
me and I'm online too much, which is very possible,
but it feels like a lot of things nowadays is
just doom and gloom on everything, no doubt, even movies
do a lot of an extent lately have been very
kind of depressed, not depressing, but very serious or heavy
and stuff. Right, So the world just kind of in

(32:50):
general feels kind of bluff and dark. Yeah, this movie
came out and just like how Superman says it, you
said this in your letterbox, revel like Hope is like
punk rock.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Now what.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
I was watching the movie and my letterbox feel like
Hope is back in style. It feels like it's it's
good to be hopeful again. And this movie came out
at just the right time for that in in the
world today. We needed this bright, hopeful, happy trusting of everyone.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Supermind kind Superman. Yeah, the dude that will go out
of his way to save a squirrel and a kaiju attack,
like every.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Superman wants to save the kaiju. Yes, that that really
surprised me in that movie. I mean because I would
have never thought about that, even for a boy scout.
Superman saved the giant monster that's attacking the city, just
kill it.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Not only that wanted to save Lex Luthor. Yeah, gosh,
that monologue at the end of who he is being human?
He struggles to get up every day. He stumbles every step,
but that's what makes him human and that's his greatest strength.
And one day, Lex, I hope you realize that's your

(34:08):
greatest strength too. I mean you could that will be
and already is a generational, iconic Superman line, one that
honestly we never got from Henry Cavill, specifically because Henry Cavills.
You thook of Henry Cavill, Superman. Really, what do you
think about destruction? I think of the mustache, okay, fair,

(34:32):
I think of him leading a fight to a town
and a bunch of people dying, not Superman, but also
Henry Cavill had I think forty lines of dialogue in
as Superman, or even I think in the entire movie.
He talked a lot more in this one, thankfully. Also,
did y'all realize it? Notice how little Clark Kent was
in this movie. It felt rarely a lot like The

(34:53):
Batman with him being Batman for most of the movie
and not Bruce Wayne. It feels like this same style.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Going honest, I kind of like that because we're here
for Superman. Not necessarily it made sense.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I do in the future want more Clark because Clark
was a great The little bit we got about about
the public version of Clark can I said that. I
said that tweet to you guys that where somebody said,
people need to understand there's three different versions of this character.
There's Superman, there's Clark for the World, and then there's
Clark for the Clark. Lois, yeah, with it. The Clark

(35:31):
for the World was fun. It was with it, and
I do love the playing off of each other that
he and Lois did, and Jimmy and Jimmy too well
that Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy doesn't know that.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
We don't think anyway, Okay, this this has got like
a ton of characters.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
This man, You've got Superman, Lowis, Jimmy Lex, Guy Gardner,
Hot Girl, mister Terrific, a bunch of others with this,
Anybody metamorpho, any you know who's shored in this? Who
got body slammed worse than Superman with Doomsday in the comics?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Well, I mean, first off, we got to say, this
is how you introduced a bunch of characters. Well, not
like eternals. Well, I cared about all the characters. Maybe
maybe there were a few, like Hawk Girl. We didn't
get very much of her, so I didn't have I
didn't really care about it a that much.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I thought she I told this didnate last night. I
think she was the weakest character.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
She was, but not because I thought it was like
bad acting or bad writing. We just didn't get hardly.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yea, she has a mystery around her that still needs
to do.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
It wasn't even necessarily mystery. She just barely had any role,
Which is fine. You got to pick and choose who
you highlight in the movie. But I think all the
other characters were either enjoyable or you really like connected
to them or like, you know, really like them. I
think Jimmy was a standout by far. I loved Jimmy
Olsen in this movie. He was a ton of fun,

(36:56):
great acting.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I don't remember the best Jimmy Wilson we've had too
without it, I think it's the most we've seen of
a Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I think we saw like on screen in the Snider Verse.
I think we saw he was on screen for maybe
thirty seconds, like, and he didn't have any lines.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Well in the actor for him, wasn't he in Spider Man?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah? Yeah it was. It was super short.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It was super short, and he was really weirdly muscular,
like it just like yeah that guy. Yeah, it didn't
seem like Jimmy. But and then you know the one
in the Reeves Versus Fun he really is, but he
has like no like he's just a dork. And even
in like Superman Returns, he's kind of just a dork
in that one too, But this one, he he he

(37:42):
had his own moments. He had he even like kind
of played people for the scoop and and then he
grew he's a real reporter. Yes, yeah, which is what
he needed. To be and he is great, and he
felt like Superman's pal pretty much. He felt like an
equal in the news room to Lowis Center Clark, which.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Was cool because I never knew that Jimmy was supposed
to be there on that on that level with them.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
But I liked that. Yeah, it was really cool. Let's
talk about the message you got the l's is that
what we're gonna call it? Joel and Laura Houseville, Bradley
Cooper and some other chick They basically send a message
with baby Kyle l that he was to grow up,

(38:26):
marry a bunch of Earth women and create a secret
here La and populate the Earth with it. What do
you think about that twist? Let me start with that.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
I did not see that coming because I had, to
my knowledge, the only depiction of Crypton and his parents
and everything that I had seen in like movies and
stuff was they were good people, right, nice people, right
Crypto Crypton was a peaceful planet for the most part, right,

(39:00):
So I it coming out that they were basically sending
him on like a Vultrumite ship totally came out of
left field for me. I was like, Oh, so the
parents are bad guys. Now like I didn't realize I
was supposed to think that.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Did you think that it was potentially a lie that
was fabricated?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Oh yeah, bye bye by of course, Well, I mean
it's Lex.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
I wouldn't put anything past him like that one dude,
and the council said he wouldn't put anything past Lex.
But they multiple times that the movie said it was real,
and once mister Terrific was like, dude, it's legit.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Dude like that. I was like, okay, Wow, they really
really did go there.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
There was a bold twist, but I liked it because of.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
What they did at.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
The end of the movie the book end to match
that everybody likes a good.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Before was like he put on his footage of his parents.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
It soothes him.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
We expect to see or we were. We saw it
in the beginning it was his Kryptonian parents. Now it's
mom Popkin. So I liked the way they they handled
that at the end. It was a very interesting touch
and it opened up a great conversation for Pa Kent
to have with Clark and I'm.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
The Last Night that this is a really not an
unusual storyline within within the DC comedy. It does happen sometimes.
You know, you have every every writer, every universe, crisis,
reset everything, everything handles Crypton differently. But yes, in some
versions there is a and Crypton it is like a
conquering planet more than anything, and they just kind of

(40:40):
got too full of themselves and ended up, you know, exploding.
But yes, it is common. And and if they go
to the route of where I think they may go
for a sequel to Superman with Brainiac bringing David kortzback.
Confirmed that he's signed a contract, yes, so which is great.

(41:01):
I'm happy to see it. And I think he's also
probably gonna be in Supergirl, which wouldn't surprise me. But
we are probably going to see if they bring in
Brainiac the bottle city of Condor, which is the city
that Brainiac stole from Krypton before it exploded, and Condor.
They are aggressive, They're really intense, violent Kryptonians, more of

(41:23):
a conquering race of Kryptonians. So when they show up
with Brainiac and then kal El finds out about them,
Clark finds out about them, and then he figures out
how to let them out, it causes issues on Earth.
Let's just say because their mission is still find a
new planet, repopulate, takeover, and so cartas war exactly kinda no.

(41:48):
But so I want to go down this path for
just a few minutes, and you have no idea where
I'm going to go, because I don't think that we've
had any conversations about this at all, even you and I.
But we have talked before kind of on our own
conversations about how Superman. There's this christologically centered Superman, this

(42:10):
Jesus like metaphor Superman version. And then the I I
always forget their names. Who were the original creators of Superman.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Oh, Joe Schuster and j Siegel.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
That's it, Okay, Shuster and Siegel when they did they
created Superman. They've lots of articles, lots of interviews stated
they had Moses in mind. Right, So Moses is sent
on a boat in a raft down a river. He's
there to deliver the people and that kind of thing.
It's really Donner's Superman, the original rep Superman, that that

(42:46):
stuff that began this shift towards a christologically center, and
then fully and Snyder the way into it. So what
that has done is fifty years basically of this version
of Superman where Superman is seen as a metaphor for Christ,
which if that's your version of Superman and that's all

(43:07):
you want to understand, this one can bother you if
you think of no doubt about it, because he's sent
by these super powerful beings to come to this planet
and they're not good. They're sending him to conquer, and
his earthly parents are teaching him to be good, which

(43:27):
I mean, you could find that being very kind of
hard to address. With that, what do you think do
you think people are going to have some hard time
from that perspective, maybe more conservative circles more, you know,
there's this woke conversation that's stupid because it doesn't make
any sense. But from a storytelling perspective, I could see

(43:48):
where some people would struggle with that.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, I could see where people will.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
It bothered me during the movie. It bothered me not
from a taking me out. I don't like this movie,
but I'm like, I don't know how I feel about
this version of the Elf family and the reason they
sent I don't I It bothers me that that's where
they're at in this story.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
See for me, I always you know, I saw the
christ like allegory with with him and everything. Right, I
always I could see the parallels, but I never saw
him like as a representation of Christ, if that makes sense. Right,
So with this movie happening and that twist of his

(44:29):
parents being you know, evil, it never like I never
thought of it as reflecting poorly on like a representation
of Christ, because first off, I didn't think this one
was He wasn't trying to play himself like an all powerful,
you know, god like being.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Like cabal Superman.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah, he was a very down to earth kind of guy, right,
So that comparison already kind of broke down for me
early on in the movie. So when that reveal happened,
it didn't it didn't jar me as much. But I
think for me, like I said, I never saw him
as a representation of Christ. So things like that never

(45:12):
really like it didn't seem to like connect. I don't know,
I was trying to make sense.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
But yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I think that the Christ like allegory, it was just
it was drilled into people's brains with Man of Steel
and the Snyder version of Superman, because let's just be honest,
it kind of feels like that Superman wants people to
worship him. I mean there are even some shots if

(45:41):
he like that's the purpose, which isn't Superman, because in
this movie we see he just wants to be there
to help and he would love if people would accept
him as just a regular dude that can just do
cool thing. He wants to be more like a firefighter
almost pretty much. She just protect and serve kind of thing.

(46:02):
Like that's his purpose and that's what he's there to do,
and that's what he believed the l's were sending him
there to do because he only heard the first part
of a message and do good. So that's what he
lived his life doing. And then you know that kind
of all fell apart and you're wondering, let's just be honest,
if that happened to Henry Cavill's Superman, if he went

(46:25):
on the same track but it was written by Zack Snyder,
we probably would have seen Henry Calvill Superman go down
a really dark path, like not knowing what to do.
But this one it helped him understand that his humanity,
the people who actually cared about him, who actually raised him,
were the ones that were the most important to him,
the ones who actually loved him and the ones that

(46:46):
raised him to be a good man, to be Superman,
to be Clark Kent, and that's who he is. He
may have come from Krypton, but that's not his home.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It's not his family.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Y Nate, what did you think about the relationship between
Clark and the real, the true Clark and Lois in
this movie is Superman Lowis.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
It was great. They hit they're early, but they had
chemistry they did.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
It was so nice and Lois can act, huh. But
we really did see a lot of great moments between them,
and I loved how Lois was so not distant but
just concerned. She's protective. She's always reserved and always worried
that like somebody's a using her or be like just

(47:36):
not telling her the truthfully and so and that's hard
for Clark because Clark is always like uplifting and I
do love.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
There's a ying and yang element to the two of
them very much.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
So I loved how like, just out of the blue
and just completely ready Clark was to say love you, Lois,
and she was like taking him back, but she.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Said she was getting ready to break up within this moment.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
And then he said, you know, I should have said
that a long time ago, and and it was.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Just like that caught rock Guard too, but I liked.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
It, Like Clark really does love Lois, and you can
tell Lois loves him too, but she's worried about what
it's not going to work. It's yes, and you can
tell Clark is like, I'm going to make it work.
I'm going to fight to make it work. And like

(48:26):
it was, it was really a great relationship. And Lois
was just great in the movie. She I mean, she
didn't say I love you with her words till the end,
but I mean she did everything in her power to
get She tried to sacrifice, she took her life out
online to do it and did crazy things to help Clark.

(48:48):
And so that's good. That's Lois the star of the
entire film. Crypto, Crypto, Crypto, with this crypto, why do
you think crypto is such a.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
A fresh element within this movie?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And are we eventing ready to start a.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Petition to get a Crypto series on. I'm sure that.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
There's gonna be one at some point, and I know
we'll be getting more Crypto in the Supergirl movie, which
will be great. But I think it's just Crypto is
a fresh take because everybody likes to see the flying dog.
But he was fun. It was a loving character, breath
of fresh air, and it really just felt fantastical and
ready and ripe for a superhero movie. And it's great

(49:33):
to finally see like an actual Crypto on the screen
because it's just like it's him, like he's there and
it's right and it feels good. And Clark's relationship with
him was so good because you could tell Clark is like,
I don't really like this dog, but I said I
was gonna protect him, and it's a dog, and he
didn't do anything, so he goes above and beyond to

(49:56):
try to save him and Man when he was talking
with Lois and she's like, it's just a dog, and
he's like yeah, but he's he's alone and and he's
like and I can't let anything happened to him. And
I was like, as Superman, like, I feel like I
said that in my brain like four hundred times throughout
this movie, but it really truly didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Just get it.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Would you think you're the new dog, dog Daddy? What
do you think about Crypto Man?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
There were a lot of moments I was like, I
get it. No, Crypto was fun. I think my only
issue with him is I didn't realize it's going in
the movie. But I was hoping there would be like
a live action counterpart for Crypto. I didn't realize he
was gonna be cg the whole time, smoke play. I mean, really,
it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Others you guys hear about the test screenings and what happened.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, the ultraman where the Ultra people got pissed and
I got pissed.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
When the engineer like covered his head.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Heck, I was like, she dies first.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Superman, You're okay to her? Yeah, No, but it was fun.
I liked though he was He was the comedic relief
that was needed in a lot of moments.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
But yeah, it was a good addition. Looked.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Start with you, Sam, what's the from your perspective, what's
the emotional heart of this movie? What do you mean
just like, where where do you? I mean, what's this
what's the core like emotional you know, central piece of
this that makes this movie work? Kind of resonates with you.

(51:27):
What drives the emotion in the.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
It's I mean, it's it's Clark's heart, it's his it's
it's his heart. I mean that's Superman always leads with
his heart first with everything, or at least he should.
That's how Superman was supposed to act. And there were
just moment after moment after a moment in that movie
that showed that this that's what this Superman.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Does, is he he he.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Cares about everyone and everything. Like mat said, he saved
a squirrel of all things, from the from the kaiju.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
They just it was so nice to see a Superman
who just cares about everyone and everything and does whatever
he can to help people.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, it was. It was great, I think it. Yeah,
it was his heart, it was his humanity. It's something
you really need to dial into when you're talking about Superman.
Even though he's an alien, he's the most human out
of anybody, and he's the definition of what a human
should be. A kindness, loving, caring, will go out of
his way to do anything for anybody because everyone's life

(52:33):
is more important than his own, and that's how he
lives and that's his heart. And so they nailed it.
I mean they did a great job. I mean, as
soon as Clark got slightly well enough after being in
a kryptonized cell for a day.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
He went to save that guy's.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Kid, and then he got out of it and he's
has Kryptid poison and he's like, we gotta go back
and save everybody, barely stand up like he was. His
mind was always on how can I help everyone else,
even if they don't deserve it? How can I help
them so? And then at the end we see that
Clark wrote an article about the Flaffel guy that Lex killed,

(53:12):
about Eddie said the real hero of Metropolis, Like, never
about him. This is always about everyone else. And that's
that's Superman right there. Setting aside the movie itself, How
effectively do you think that this sets the stage for
the future of this DCU?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Are we? You know? Is it bright? Do we need
to see what's going to happen more before we move forward?
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (53:39):
I appreciated how there weren't really many storyline set up
hooks in the movie, like no cliffhangers, no post credit
scenes that tease something right. I appreciated that. I think
it did what it needed to do in that it
introduced us some central characters, a big central character obviously

(54:01):
with Superman, but it gave you a feel for the
world that you're about to be dropped into. And that's
what this movie needed to do. It's it gave you
an idea of what the tone was gonna be and
the setting, and it it did that flawlessly.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah it did.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I think it's set up the universe very well because
it just feels like you're reading comic book series and
you're gonna see what comes up next. And I know
that every project is gonna be tonally different, like James
Gunn said, but that's the same way it is with
the comics, and so keep giving me what you're gonna
give me. I know Lanterns is gonna be a gritty,
down to earth, true detective styles serial.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Okay with that.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I know that Peacemaker is gonna be it's you know, Ronmaker,
violent am a funny show, and Starfire is gonna be
its own kids animated introduction to the Teen Titans, like
you're gonna get what you need from everything, and the
universe is gonna be for everybody, which is important, and
you have to think they're gonna be kids, They're gonna

(54:59):
watk Superman that are going to grow up with this
franchise like we grew up after watching Iron Man with
the MCU French franchise, So you have to think about
this is this may not be exactly for me. This
is for the people that will grow up with the
franchise and we get to see that happen. You're gonna
have a lot of kids going to see this movie
as it should be, and you're gonna have a lot

(55:20):
of kids that have Superman become.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Their favorite character, like Ironman became yours.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I know a guy at work who he took the
day off because his daughter, I think she's like eight
or something, I wanted to go see Superman. So he
took the day and he's going to see Superman with
his daughter.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
It's interesting how you guys are talking about that and
you're specifically talking about this is going to be the
next generation's you know, stories, and it.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Needs to be for them.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
That's the experience I have had with Star Wars because
of the sequel trilogy and watching it with you guys
is radically different from that because of your perspective, because
oh yeah, of me having you in my life, why
with you realizing this is your Star Wars that changed

(56:04):
everything in the way that I viewed it. With that
and you know, we've been talking about this, you know,
the soaring highs of the Superman relaunch with it. Meanwhile,
we have a Star Wars that seems like it's sort
of drifting right now. It's not really thriving. We don't
really know where it's going with it. Is it because

(56:28):
and let's talk about this, we'll go next. Is it
stuck in sort of this starlac pit of nostalgia?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
You've taken your first step into a larger world. All right?
I said this in the in the transition a minute ago.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
But I'm going to ask you, do you guys think
the car Star Wars is thriving, just surviving, kind of
not on the decline? Be honest, what do you guys
think about Star Wars right now? I think it's just drifting.
I mean, it's there and I'll watch this stuff, but
let's just be honest. It's not a franchise. It's pretty
much in the front of center many people's minds right now.

(57:02):
There's not much to be excited for it. Like we mentioned,
the Visions is the only thing coming out the rest
of this year, which is great. I'm super excited for it,
but let's be honest. The general audience is not going
to tune into season three of Star Wars Visions. Yeah,
but we had and or we had Skeleton Crew. Those
were both because.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Like we said earlier, Star Wars thrives in the theaters.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, and so the fact that it's not in theaters,
it's a struggle. And it would be great if they
would do some Star Wars re releases, like the twentieth
anniversary of Revenge of the Sith. Yeah, I re release
of All Time because Star Wars lives in the theaters
and they can't live if it's not in the theater.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I feel like it's drifting right now. I mean I
can't speak for the entirety, but for me, it's it's hard.
It's hard for me to really care about Star Wars
right now. I mean I was talking with my buddy
who bought the Star Wars Cooler, right. He's like really
into it right now. He's buying he's collecting Black Series figures,
he's got a bunch of pre orders, right, And I
love it.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I think it's cool.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
But we were talking about it and I was like, yeah,
I just haven't really been like that, like plugged into
stars right, like I've been watching stuff obviously, but I
haven't like really consumed a lot of Star Wars content
outside of new stuff, right, And he's like, that's surprising
coming from you. I'm like, yeah, but there just hasn't
been that much to really keep me excited about stars right,

(58:20):
Like there's nothing to look forward to. Part of the
fun I think of Star Wars, at least it was
for me, was a movie release coming up, right, and
then it was the.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
The eventized feature of that, heating up to it, theorizing.
We did so much of that, but before every movie, right,
the online chatter, the Star Wars celebrations or any con
where everybody.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Was, which we haven't had one in the US since
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
True, but you know everybody's there, and there's this buzz
in the air about though the next the new Star
Wars movie.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
What's it going to be? Like? Right, we don't have that. Yeah,
we don't have that.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
I mean maybe you could have that a little bit
for a show, but it's it's just how are you
going to experience the show? Most likely it's at home
with your family, maybe, right, And that's nothing wrong with that,
But I was actually watching a video earlier today, and
it was about music or something, but this guy described
a and a psychological phenomenon. I think it was called

(59:22):
collective effervescence. It's why things feel different when you're in
a crowd. It's just like like he's like, you go
to a concert and right, you've probably heard these songs
hundreds of times before. But when you're with a bunch
of people and you're all singing the song together, it's
gonna have a totally different impact of you. It's the

(59:43):
same with movies. It's why going to it's why to
this day. For me, my favorite movie going experience was Endgame.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Because the crowd trick crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Oh every big moment, right, it was you could feel
this buzz in the air and that was fun. Right,
Star needs that to survive and you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Well, and they're even tapping into that with that Coca
Cola commercial. They literally are trying to say, this is
what Star Wars is all about, going to a movie
theater with a bunch of super crazy nerds dressed out,
dressed out toys. The video start, the movie breaks and
everybody loses their mind. Then they start having lightsaber battles
in the military. Right as Star Wars fans.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yes, absolutely, exactly, and I'm like that it almost I
liked the commercial. I thought it was fun, but it
almost in a it's almost the way it felt like
a punch, the punching a gut, like oh I had that,
like it was her. It's a reason we're willing to
get on a flight and fly all the way to
San Francisco to be with five O First Rebels, Saber

(01:00:45):
Guild or whatever, Droid Builders, Mando Merks in the Lucasfilm
Theater to experience something we've already seen. Yep, yep, because
that's what for us Star Wars is almost the fact
that we got to do it at Lucasfilm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
No. But it's the reason Revenge of the Sith going
to back to the theaters watching night. It's the reason
why a year before that it was The Phantom Menace
and everybody going and seeing that with it. So this
conversation was inspired by a video I saw. I mentioned
it earlier Heavy Spoilers Paul did a video on the
death spiral of nostalgia bait. Do you think that Star

(01:01:24):
Wars And again this ties back into that commercial that
we talked about earlier, do you think Star Wars is
too reliant on nostalgia right now, what's the line between
loving the past or just being too reliant on it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I don't know, It's tough. I was just saying
in the break. But then, one of the things that
was nice about Superman is there was virtually no nostalgia
to it. They used the classic Superman theme and maybe
that could be counted as a little bit of nostalgia, right,
But other than that, it was a fresh take on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
You didn't see anything from there. Maybe Peacemaker, but I
don't think many people have nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Of the piece Maker. It was literally like a half
a second.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Right, So it was a good fresh movie without relying
on nostalgia. Bate, So it can be done right like
it can be done, and this is maybe it's got
a benefit for being a new universe, a fresh, complete reset,

(01:02:27):
you know. But I think Star Wars can can do that.
I think I think they're trying to go that route
with the Mandalorian and Grogu movie and and everything like that, right,
but they've really got to to either they need to

(01:02:49):
pick a direction they're gonna go. Are they gonna either
fully rely on nostalgia going forward, which I don't think
is the move because that's gonna run out eventually, or
just just own up and go this fresh route. I mean,
Ahsoka is good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
We like it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
A lot of it's Rebels nostalgia in a way. We're
excited to see the continuation of that story, of course,
but you know a lot of it is we have
these this positive memories with these characters, right, yeah, So
maybe that's why we have such a positive response to
that show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
And I know not everyone is as.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Positive towards that show as we are, but I mean
we were rebels guys, so of course we're going to
But I think I think Star Wars needs to find
a new place to go, whether that's a time period,

(01:03:52):
whether that's a complete different corner of the galaxy with
new people. I think Star Wars has got to find
a way to start over with new characters, not rely
and not have any reliance on any characters we're familiar
with showing up. Maybe you can name drop depending on

(01:04:12):
the time period, like Luke Skywalker because that some event
happened in the galaxy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
That references it. That's fine, But I don't want.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
To see anything show up because then it just kind
of feels like they threw that in Narre to just
kind of get you because.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
You like the character. Yeah, Nate, what are your thoughts
on that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I think the nostalgia it carries a little bit of
Star Wars, but I think that that's just gonna happen
with the new generation with the old generation. Old generation
is gonna want the nostalgia, and they're gonna have nostalgia
for Star Wars no matter what because that's what they
grew up with. I think the new generation needs to
rely I think they need to continue to rely on
the fresh stories because the older generation will always have

(01:04:49):
the nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Then new generation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Needs to see something that they can get that nostalgia with.
If they don't have that, then they're not gonna connect
to it. I have dolgia of going to see Force
Awakens the first time. That's how I connected with it,
or Rebels, that's how I got into Star Wars. They
need to continue to let the new generation, the new fans,

(01:05:13):
get into it in their own way. And I know
that a lot of people did seeing The Mandalorian and
that's how they got into Star Wars. And I know
that even some people have gotten into Star Wars more
with and or a different way, but it's happened, and
so they need to focus on the fresh takes, the
fresh stories, and and heck, I know some people that
were like that are in anime not in Star Wars,

(01:05:33):
watch Visions and then got into Star Wars. So Visions
itself is a fresh take that people have gotten into.
So it needs to rely on the new story. It's
a lot more. You know, as we think about Rise
of Skywalker at episode nine, I do believe, and I've
said this for several years now, that the Rise of

(01:05:54):
Skywalker was an over reaction to a perfect storm of things. Yes,
that happened going before even the Last Jedi came out.
You had twenty sixteen December Roe ones in fairly in theaters.
Just a day or two into theaters, Carrie Fisher dies
and she was going to be a central focus of

(01:06:17):
the future in episode nine. With that then, so they've
got to figure out what to do with her. They're
in this process. Do we use old footage, do we
use CGI do what do we do with her? And
Colin Trabarro is the what is slated at that point
in this moment to direct episode nine, to write and

(01:06:37):
direct episode nine, like JJ did with Force Awakens, like
Ryan did with The Last Jedi. Colin Trabarro was going
to write and direct this and take over the story
where Ryan left it, and they had to figure out
what does that look like with Carrie, and I think
they struggled with that. I think that he struggled with that,

(01:06:58):
and he came up with some if you guys have
you know checked out A face looks so good? They
he went pretty radical with some ideas. He went really
radical with it, and Disney got a little bit nervous.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I have a feeling, and it wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
They got nervous because of the Book of Henry, and
the Book of Henry underperformed it did It was not
well received critic wise, fan wise, box office wives. So
they're they're scared about Carrie's passing. They're scared now about
the what the direction that Colin input, Colin Trobaro puts
them in with the script. Then you have the Book

(01:07:35):
of Henry failing and they pulled him. I think that
was an overreaction in that moment with it. And then
comes the Last Jedi, right, and it's I really was
worried coming into Superman that Last Jedi or the Superman
was going to get the Last Jedi. Respond reaction critics
were like eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven percent. And

(01:07:59):
I was really worried that we were going to see
sort of this backlash against the that movie it Last Jedi.
We love it, right, but controversial is not even the
word to use with this solo comes out. That is
a mistake of Disney's own making, not the film. It

(01:08:21):
was a great film, but you got to remember what
happened before even that version of the film came out.
Lord and Miller were were making We're.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
For shooting the film. It was almost completely shot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
It was like seventy percent shot, and they didn't like
what they were doing with it, so they let them go.
They pulled them, bring in Ron Howard. He comes in
basically reshoots the entire movie with a completely amazing factor,
with a new to play the villain, Dryden Boss wasn't
even played Betney at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
And then they make.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
This bonehead move to do two things release it in
a May Memorial day time slot, which is a terrible
time for movies because it was an assault to play
that's the weekend the original Star Wars started, you know,
the original trilogies movies came out, and they didn't market
the movie at all. It was Denny's was the most
that's all I can remember. Denny's and a super Bowl

(01:09:13):
ad was what they did to market that movie with it.
And it underperformed by those days standards. Today it would
be considered a blockbuster. It was over one hundred million
domestic At that time, it was considered a failure as
a Star Wars movie with it. All of those things
together made them go back to JJ and JJ ran
home to his own storylines that he had in his head,

(01:09:38):
and let's bring in Palpatine and let's go home with
all of this other stuff. And it never landed with that. Now,
during that period of time, we talked about it earlier,
we had the idea of what if they released the
opening crawl of episode nine was the opening words General

(01:09:58):
Lea or Ghana is dead and instead of the Star
Wars theme playing, it's Leah's theme playing as a way
to honor her. Yeah, but and we and that's the
way we always thought about it, like it's a way
to honor But have you ever have you thought through
this what the story could have been and how that
could have rebooted the future of the saga. Yeah, because

(01:10:20):
here's what you have happening there. The Resistance is in shambles.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
You go immediately open up the film with her funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
That allows all of fandom to grieve Leah, to mourn
that Carrie's passing as a group collectively, like we've been
talking in the theater, grieve her in this moment, and
you have a devastated Ray and Finn and Poe and
Rose and all of these others trying to figure out
to do with the Resistance. And then what if you

(01:10:53):
then cut to Kylo Wren, who has learned of his
mother's passing. Remember he refuses to kill her in the
Last Jedi. He's already fracturing in the Last Jedi with this,
and he what if in that moment, the emotional devastation
of that is he's cut off from the force. It

(01:11:17):
causes him to be cut off from the Force, but
he's hiding it from the Hucks and the Knights of
Wren and all of this. He's hiding all of that,
and that's where the story then moves forward. He's trying
to lead the First Order, pretending to be the sith
Acolyte Lord whatever, and he's failing at doing that. The

(01:11:39):
Resistance is trying to move for the story is wide
open for the future. You don't have to bring in
what is this weird force ghost Hans Solo, You don't
have to bring in cgi Leia. You don't have to
try to make the Luke thing come back in with it.
Luke's ending in the Last Jedi was perfect. Mark Hamill
in the last month gave an interview where he said

(01:12:01):
the ending of The Last Jedi was the perfect ending
for Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Yeah, who I thought he hated the Last Jedi. Well,
that's what people want you to think. But anyway, so
what would you think?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I mean, do you think all of that is set
up for the question and we can it shouldn't be
a long conversation from this point forward. If they would
have had the balls, I guess the Hutspa Kona to
go forward with that risky of a move. Do you

(01:12:32):
feel like the future of this Star Wars, of the
Star Wars franchise would have more opportunities in front of
it right now? I think I think we would have
been in a position where they would be okay taking
more risks. Now it feels like right now, I mean
and Or was a risk it paid off? Do more
of that. We need more risks, doesn't have to be

(01:12:55):
dark and gritty and not for kids, just more risks
in general. Skeleton Crew kind of another risk. Scholar is
the most self contained Yep, Star Wars story in the
in the nostalgia Disney era, and it was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
No nostalgia. No, there's a lot of nostalgia. There's nostalgia.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
No, no, no, there's nostalgia for your childhood, but there's no
Star Wars nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
You're not bringing in places.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, we would have been in a position where they're
okay with taking more risks, and I think Disney got scared.
And we're seeing the same issues with Marvel right now.
They may have taken a couple of risks, they were
stupid risks, yes, and they didn't pay off. So they're
like Eternals was a risk.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
It was just not a well done one, though, but
they just kind of tried to play it safe ish
since then and it's just been weird and not right.
And I'm gonna be honest. Iron Heart was another risk
if you've seen the show, and I won't be spoiling
it on here because one of the hosts on the
show has not actually seen it, but the last the

(01:14:06):
final episode, is the biggest risk I've seen Marvel take
in a long I don't know if they've taken a
risk bigger and it paid off in spades, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I have not sat up and rewound a section like you, Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, in years and so, and that risk paid off,
and a lot of people like that risk. Marvel I
think is now figuring that out. And let's just be honest.
Superman was a risk too. I mean, we've talked about it. It
was a huge gamble. It either works and DCU works
or it fails and the DC's done. Say, do you
think that the franchise could would have more hope in

(01:14:46):
front of it right now had they been willing to
take those risks?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Consider running back to the nostal debate, I do, I think,
I mean no more somewhow Palpatine returned.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Yeah, I think part of the part of the reason
why it feels like Star Wars doesn't have a way
forward and just why everything feels weird with Star Wars
right now and especially in the movie side of things,
is it wasn't received that great. I mean, we've talked
about it and I'm not going to go into into
details again, right, but Disney's scared about another potential like that, Right.

(01:15:24):
Fans are nervous because they don't want to have to
go through that again.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
So I think you had the movie have been this
is going to sound blunt better, I guess is a
way to put it. The future for Star Wars would
have been more hopeful. Of course that's kind of how
you say. It's kind of a cheap answer. Yeah, if
it did well, everything would be better. Of course, that's
how movies work, right, But I mean to say that, yes,

(01:15:54):
I think potentially not relying on nostalgia would have made
for a better movie and thus a more hopeful future.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Yeah yeah, Okay, final thoughts? What was this a missed opportunity?
Could the Rise of Skywalker Episode nine been something much
more special as an individual film, not just the future
of the Star Wars universe franchise, but that film. Could
it have been much more special had it taken a

(01:16:26):
really daring, radical, risky path or are we just Monday
morning quarterbacking this thing?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
I mean it's yeah, hindsight twenty twenty, it's easy for
us to talk about this, right, of course we want
we had head Cannon going to do it and all that.
But I think I have said since the movie came out,
the whole movie for me was just missed opportunities and
you know, feel of that fire was when I found
out about the duel the Fates called concept arts and

(01:16:55):
story art, I was like, oh, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
What we well, he's released the script.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Yeah, that's what we missed out on. That didn't help
because I was like, that would have been so good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
So it does come down to the fact that Rise
of Skywalker, and I know there was a lot of
people's complaints that just felt like a Greatest Hits kind
of thing of Star Wars. Yeah, and it felt like
an Avengers endgame for Star Wars. There was nothing original
about it, and that was what people had issues with.
And it's understandable that they had issues with that. And
so yes, take the risks. At least you could say

(01:17:31):
you went down swinging instead of playing it safe and
then you just failed. Yeah, we'll have to see what
happens in the future. I mean, we've got maybe that
maybe the blessing in disguise of writer strikes COVID canceled
projects is a space. Yeah, seven plus years, or it'll

(01:17:52):
be it'll be seven years since a Rise of Skywalker.
When The Mandalorian and Grogu hits theaters, it'll be set
on six and a half years. Maybe that space will
allow for a new reset going forward with it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, anything else you guys want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
So, James Gunn has said that he's reportedly considering a
Mister Terrific Uh and Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Spin offs series.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Jimmy Olsen too, Yeah, so not together, but just like
separate spinoff series. So Jimmy Olsen has his own series,
Mister Terrific. Probably Jimmy Olsen would be Superman's Jimmy Olsen
trying to get away from a stalker. Yeah, the entire
time with the shrimp Cocktail Toes Mutant Toes mut Toes, Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Uh Nate and I are going back to Halloween horn
Nights in Universal in October.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
We got our fallout. Yeah excited? Oh yeah, man, Yeah,
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
We actually just rewatched the shows.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
It's good. It's good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
So if you're going to be there was it October
eleventh that they were going, you know, we'd.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Just be trying to find us, but we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think for me, the thing that's most
exciting right now is what's happening in this community through
this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
We've got, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
We've done a private opening of a Facebook group specifically
for Star Wars Dads, and the whole goal was to
keep it small in the early days and really foster
great relationships, and we've got people like we found We've
already seen this as one of the coolest moments is
somebody made an introduction of themselves. They live in the UK,

(01:19:30):
They made an introduction of themselves, and then about four
days later, a new person joined the group made an
intro of themselves and they lived two streets from each other.
That's so cool, and they're going to start getting together
and hanging out with their fans.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
They'd ever met.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Each other and know each other, that kind of thing,
both Star Wars fans Star Wars dads bringing the same age,
kids and that kind of same They're going to be
hanging out. And that's happening in pockets right now where
people are already talking about meetups where they're going to
the same cons and so together and that's what this
is all about. So we're gonna have more information coming
out about that over the next few months. But if

(01:20:08):
you're interested, just reach back to it, reach out to
me on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I'll extend an invitation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
To you if you want to be a part of it,
we'd love to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
That's going to do it. Yeah, it's a good conversation, jolemen.
I love doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
It's I think that doing it once a month makes
me appreciate it even more.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Has to do it with you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You know, if you're if you like what you hear tonight,
follow us on socials at Tattoine Son's Sons you'll find us.
Share this with your other star wars, nerd friends, dads especially,
we'd love for you to check that out. Next week,
we've got another interview. This one's gonna this one was
a train wreck. It's going to be a lot of fun.

(01:20:47):
I was in interviewing a dad and their son that
started a podcast because they were inspired by a little
show called Tattooks and it was a lot of fun
to talk with them. So that'll be coming out next week.
I think that's going to do it for this week,
anything else you guys want to say.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
The Force be with you. May the Force be with you, Maill,
the Horse be with you always.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Thank you for listening to Tattooine Suns, a Star Wars podcast.
Please subscribe and follow Tattooine Suns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,
or your favorite podcast app. Tattoine Sons regularly publishes thoughtful
articles intended to provoke conversation about the larger themes in
Star Wars. Go to tattooinsuns dot com to explore further

(01:21:29):
and May the Force be with you always.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
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by the Walt Disney Company or Lucasfilm Limited, and it's
intended for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Star Wars, all names and sounds, and any other Star
Wars related items and properties are trademarks of Lucasfilm Limited
and its affiliates.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
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