July 1, 2025 • 30 mins
Ever wondered why Star Wars continues to captivate generations?
This week on Tatooine Sons, we're diving deep into the heart of the galaxy far, far away to explore just that! This special rebroadcast features my insightful interview on ATG Live with the dynamic duo, Pete Fletzer and Nick Mielke, where we dissect the mythic essence of Star Wars and its lasting impact. From reminiscing about childhood memories of lightsabers and X-wings to unpacking the timeless battle between the light and dark side, we uncover why Star Wars is more than just a saga—it's a modern mythology.
We also explore the crucial role of humor in these beloved stories, highlighting how laughter connects us to the characters and enriches the narrative.
Perfect for dads eager to share the magic with their kids, and lifelong fans alike, this episode is packed with thought-provoking discussions and nostalgic reflections.
Join us as we examine how Star Wars shapes our understanding of good and evil, and why it continues to matter in a galaxy not so far, far away. A huge thank you to Pete and Nick for having me on ATG Live!
And remember, may the Force be with you...always!
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This week on Tatooine Sons, we're diving deep into the heart of the galaxy far, far away to explore just that! This special rebroadcast features my insightful interview on ATG Live with the dynamic duo, Pete Fletzer and Nick Mielke, where we dissect the mythic essence of Star Wars and its lasting impact. From reminiscing about childhood memories of lightsabers and X-wings to unpacking the timeless battle between the light and dark side, we uncover why Star Wars is more than just a saga—it's a modern mythology.
We also explore the crucial role of humor in these beloved stories, highlighting how laughter connects us to the characters and enriches the narrative.
Perfect for dads eager to share the magic with their kids, and lifelong fans alike, this episode is packed with thought-provoking discussions and nostalgic reflections.
Join us as we examine how Star Wars shapes our understanding of good and evil, and why it continues to matter in a galaxy not so far, far away. A huge thank you to Pete and Nick for having me on ATG Live!
And remember, may the Force be with you...always!
Looking for more episodes? https://podfollow.com/tatooine-sons-a-pop-culture-podcast/home
Join our Facebook Community SPECIFICALLY for Star Wars Dads! > https://www.facebook.com/groups/starwarsdads
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What if I told you that Star Wars is more
than just a space opera, a saga of a series
of films. In essence, it's a modern mythology that has
gone a long ways towards shaping a generation's understanding of
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right and wrong and good and evil. This week's episode
of Tattoo and Suns is actually a special rebroadcast of
my interview on ATG Live with Pete Fletcher and Nick Milkey.
In it, we explore the mythic essence of Star Wars
and how it's evolved over the last almost fifty years.
(00:47):
In this I'm going to reminisce a lot about my
first memories with the franchise, and then we're going to
discuss these timeless themes of good versus evil and right
and wrong, and how this franchise can continue to evolve
whilst staying true to its core, and also how things
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like humor have shaped these stories. So, whether you're sharing
the saga with your kids or you're just a lifelong fan,
this episode is packed with a lot of interesting conversations
and discussions and insights that I think are going to
resonate with every Star Wars enthusiast. So grab your lightsaber,
(01:30):
grab a couple of coffee, settle in. This is a
journey that you won't want to miss. This is Tatooine Sons.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Welcome to Tatooine Sons, a Star Wars podcast, the only
fan podcast to name a canon Star Wars creature and
to be endorsed by the writer and director of The
Last Jedi, Ryan Johnson. Get Ready to explore a galaxy
far far away across the generations. It was your host,
David the bow Tie Jedi Guy, with a special presentation
(02:05):
of his appearance on ATG Live.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Hey, it's me, so, dude, what was your first Star
Wars memory and and what made it instantly feel different
from anything else you'd see.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
There's like there's like two, there's three memories I think
of when I think of Star Wars because it came
out when I was two years old, right, so I
didn't see it in the theaters, and in seventy seven,
I remember it being on Loop on HBO when I
was like four or five, and and what that's my
That was my initial exposure to Star Wars was seeing
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it like that and just fascinated by the this sor
I remember being bored to death through anything on Tattooine,
like we all are if we're honest, and then that's
what yeah, once, once we get once, once Han shows up,
I remember, I remember when Han because he did shoot first, yes,
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but when he did, I remember distinctly wondering is he
a good guy or a bad guy? Up until the
very end of the movie, right, and when he shows
back up to save Luke at the Death Star, I
was like relieved and excited and because he was, he
was truly a good guy. So that's that's sort of
an early early memory playing action figures in the backyard
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with Marvin and Brandy and Jamie, my three friends that
were on the cul de Sac with us. We did
that for years, and then I remember distinctly a Sunday
afternoon when one of those guys showed up at the
house and said that their mom was taking them all
to go see Return of the Jedi and wanted to
know if I could come. And I had a commitment
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that night with my family and I couldn't go, and
I was I did not see a Star Wars in
the theaters until the special editions.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So yeah, that's my earliest Star Wars memories. Wow, it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So if as we're talking tonight, we're talking about what
makes the Star Wars and Star Wars and we're going
to kind of dig into that from a cuffer different angles.
So the first question I want to ask you is
if you had to describe the Star Wars feel in
one word, what would that word be and why.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's so hard because I think that the initial word
that always comes to my mind is hope. But that's
sort of overdone, right, I mean everybody, everybody says that,
and it's going going all the way back to I mean,
it was really it really became the word at the
end of Rugue one with that, with that inter theaters
and Leah says it, and I do think that that's,
you know, a word that describes it. But I would
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tell you that I feel the more the older I get, the.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
More the word mythic.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay really really it sticks with me with Star Wars.
There's something so big about that story and it's why
it's endured for almost fifty years, and it's you know,
they're goofy old men like us on a Fursday night
sitting around Star Wars every single week, because there's something
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bigger than just a sci fi franchise or a fun
movie or something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And that's the word I would use to describe it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's funny you say that. When I was when I
was writing for Star Wars Galaxy Magazine, I had done it.
I was asked to speak at some local sci fi
thing and I did a whole presentation on the modern
day myth and I started my presentation by saying that
Star Wars is not science fiction. And I remember like
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there were people that were literally like, oh, you're wrong,
You're dead wrong. But I mean, this is why Star
Trek comes and goes, and there's nothing in Star Trek Besuse.
I do love a lot of the Star Trek stuff,
but it does kind of, you know, it ebbs and
flows because it's it. I mean, yeah, it does have
some of the the elements, but Star Wars is all
those elements the same.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, it's not the same. Yeah, And it's really interesting.
And I love that you said that. It kind of
hit that way because we've had these conversations before. We've
had these conversations as different shows have come out throughout
the Star Wars you know, certainly in the Disney Plus era. David,
I've heard you guys talk about this a good bit.
Our friend Dan Zeer talks about this salt on coffee
with Kenobi.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The fact.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
And this is even more prescient in my mind recently
because my kids are all obsessed right now with ancient
Egypt and the Pharaohs and Joseph and all these stories.
We watched The Ten Commandments the other week. I watched
Ten Commandments growing up, like all the time as a kid,
that big movie, yes, every Easter, and it was such
an epic movie. And my dad, of all people who
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liked Westerns and Star Trek, he was like, we have
to watch the Ten Commendments. But it's Star Wars has become.
And I say this because there's so much of Egyptian mythology,
you know, my kids and the stuff you know through
the Thor and Loki movies. You know, we've got Norseman thought.
This is our modern American mythology that has interwoven itself
into our culture, and we see it in so many
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ways from people who you know, in one form or
another become actual adherents of some version of the force
as a guidance principle in their life. We have cons
we have celebration, we have Star Wars Day, our baseball
teams take on Star Wars special events like this, this
mythology created by this guy from California, this story has
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become an actual mythology that has actually woven into the
actual course of our lives.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We get tattoos of it.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
We you know, it becomes this thing that is more
than just and people have Star Trek tattoos. Like you said,
there's but it's a different thing and it holds in
a different status because when there's a news story like
we're going to get into later about who's going to
be in charge of Star Wars, like it becomes front
page news. It's not the same as if oh, they're
making another season of Lower Decks. That's a different thing.
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So it's really fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And I love that the.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Word you chose as mythic because it started out as
a story influenced by myth and now has become a
mythology all of its own.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, And you know, the other day, I think it
was Monday, I was sitting in here in the in
the off my office. I worked from home. My office
doubles as our podcast studio. It's nice now I'm actually
not in a four by four closet where I've been
for the last four years. I had a son move out,
so I get a room now for it, and I
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have had a TV on and there was some videos
playing on on and and a History Channel documentary from
the time that Phantom Menace came out.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I think it's called The Legacy.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Revealed came on and it had you know, people talking
about the mythology and how this ties in and you know,
it's stuff that we know, it's talked about like.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Crazy and in the Star Wars world.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But as I was watching it, I kept wondering, is
that something that at this point in our world, in
the timing that we're at, if we need more, we
need more of this. There is a sense of right
and wrong and good and evil, and there you know,
(09:15):
there's a reason to stand up against, you know, a
tyranny and darkness and we need to stand up against that.
And so, you know, that's that's something that I think
that we people gravitate towards these stories in the Star
Wars universe because they help us. I mean, we used
to open our podcast for years with saying there's a
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story written on our souls and that these myths speak
to that story. And that's exactly what I feel like
Star Wars does.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, it's it's truting.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think that's the only that's the when when people
I used to ask the question why does Star Wars survive?
And it's it's because of that. It's it's so much
deeper than just a just a handful of movies. But
so as we look at sort of the question of
what makes us Star Wars a story wars, because now
we've seen different in iterations, you know, as we've gone
through Disney plus, we've seen things that are you know,
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you see something like and or which is you know,
is it fully star Wars? What's it missing? Does it
have everything? And you have things all kinds of different
types of stories. So, in your opinion, what is sort
of the essential elements of a Star Wars story that
make it star Wars?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And this as I answered this, I'm fully aware that
two of the last three releases within Star Wars have
blurred this line somewhat with it, But there's there really
truly was, especially when you go back to the original trilogy,
there was this clear delineation between who the good guys
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were and the bad guys were right with it, and
I think we get that in series like and Or.
We know who the good guys are and even though
we have guys like Luthen that are are there.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I think we talked about it when we were doing
The Road to.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Rebellionsh they're terrorists, right, I think Colton said said that
made it that clear. They're terrorists and their revolutionaries. But
sometimes the cause requires you to take a stand in
a violent manner. And I'm not trying, you know, say
saying that like lightly. I'm saying that that's the way
that that story it plays out with it. I feel
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like when we got to the prequels, we saw that
there were good guys and bad guys. There was light
and there was dark. There was good, there was evil,
but we saw that there was and I love it
in the In the prequels, specifically that era, we see
this group that should be standing on the right side
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every single time, and they're corrupted by the institutionalization of the.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Of the Jedi order and they're their.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Marriage toward the political system, and we see the Jedi falling,
you know, in the last Jedi have my favorite Star
Wars movie. We see Jet, we see Luke talking about
the Huberts and the Jedi and being be able to
be corrupted with it. We see that falling apart with that.
I struggled somewhat with the Acolyte because I was I could.
I struggled with who's the good guys and who's the
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bad guys? And really is there this clear sense of
right wrong with it? And I think that that's one
of the things that has always made Star Wars uh
grab me, is is there's there really you kind of
know what side you're supposed to be rooting for with them.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's interesting too because I've said this a bunch of
times recently, especially as we've gotten to the Disney era
of Star Wars. Is the you know, in nineteen seventy seven,
moviegoers story receivers wanted and we're more adjusted to simple stories.
And I don't mean that to minimize it. But there's
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good guys, bad guys, and they were called rebels, but
we didn't think of them as rebels as we think
of rebels today. And it's interesting that Star Wars storytelling
has grown with us as a result, right and that
the reason and Or is so good is because it
explores those areas that you know, I don't think in
nineteen seventy seven we wanted to think of you know,
(13:28):
Captain Antilles as a potential you know, connected to a
terrorist organization, right. We wanted him to be the guy
who did what he had to do with the droids
and blah blah blah. So I think that that's part
of this really unique growth is that you know, it's
like Clone Wars. When we look at the Clone Wars episodes,
they evolved with their audience, Right, They started out as
ten year olds, and by the time it ended they
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were older, the stories got more mature and.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They it was the same way asolutely, I'm sure, ye yep, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, and it was easier when we were And I
think that's the other thing that we've talked about too,
and you hit on it just a little bit. Even
for those of us that grew up with the original trilogy.
We grew up with Star Wars, and Star Wars grew
up with us. It was really easy as a kid
to tell the difference between the good guys and the
bad guys, because the good guys were kind of this ragtag,
you know, run around the cool ones. The bad guys
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all had clean, pristine armor, they all matched. It was big,
it was scary. And then as we got older and
we got things like dj in the Last Jedi, and
we get you know, these other characters, and he's going, yeah,
guess what, everybody's a bad guy because they're selling ships
to the same people. They're selling ships too. Because that's
how life works for us in the real world. We
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have to grow up and we have to figure out
how to make ethical choices, and we have to figure
out who's a good guy and who's a bad guy
and where does that?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
For as much as I am not one who says
there should be a gray Jedi, because I think we
have dark side and we have light side, it also
gives you that moment to pause to go. But that's
where people come up with that, because you're going, what
if you are You are a decently good guy, but
you sometimes we got a little bit of that envisions.
So I think that eternal struggle of light and dark
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good and bad good versus evil is a key crucial
part of Star Wars, but we all get to engage
with it at different levels. In different ways. And I
think that is it feeds into what we said earlier.
It feeds into what makes this myth so endearing and
lasting the way it does well.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And that's a beauty of where we're at in the
production of Star Wars now, because it's not like we're
going to have three movies wait ten twelve fifteen years.
Three movies wait ten twelve fifteen years. So those three
movies don't have to just be all for twelve year olds.
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As George Lucas said at the fortieth anniversary of Star
Wars panel in Orlando, it needed to be that way
when it was just these trilogies coming out. It doesn't
have to be that way now. And that's something that
I've had to over the last several years come to
grips with that there can be stories like and Or,
and there can be stories as we talked about before
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with the Acolyte and those types of things, because we
get more of them now. I'm of the opinion that
your cinematic universe should stay the big tent, poll, full on,
family driven. Star Wars is for twelve year old's experience,
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and then I'm saying go to town on Disney plus
with and Or, and with Crazy, some Star Wars.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Horror or whatever we need to do.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Let us that have aged with it have content that
tells a story to us today so that we can
continue to stay engaged. But let's be wise and realize
that there should be stories like Skeleton Group. There should
be stories like Essoca to go alongside with an and Or,
so that people at different stages of life, for maturity
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levels and different preferences, have the opportunity to engage in
this universe.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, and I think that's the great thing about I mean,
you know, Greg Iwinsky, his friend of the show and
a writer on The Young Jedi mentioned, I mean that
is such a cool I love that my son is
a Star Wars, a Clone Wars hit. He's the you know,
Rex fives and Cody guy, Like, that's his Star Wars,
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which is so amazing. And that's only a result of
the fact that there's so much different things coming out,
because honestly, I didn't watch Clone Wars until he started
watching it, and just because I was like, oh, it's
a cartoon. I don't one, and I missed so much
great stuff. But it's it's, as you were just saying,
it's like there's enough for everybody, and and whatever gets
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you into the myth, that's great, right.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So yeah, I remember sitting there at when Mandalorian season
two finale hit and I'm sitting there with Sam and
Nate and so Nate, I think was about thirteen, fourteen
years old, maybe fifteen, and we were sitting there watching
that finale and somebody showed up in an X Swing
and they were hooded and they got out and they
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started just mowing down bad guys with a green lightsaber.
And I'm sitting on that couch with him, one hundred
percent convinced knowing it's Luke and super excited to see
Luke Skywalker return. And when the character when it was
revealed to be Luke, Nathan led out a disappointed sigh
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because for him, he was convinced it was Ezra Bridger returning.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
From the Regions because Star Wars for him was Rebels
and the ultimate Jedi.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He'll argue to this day that the ultimate Jedi is
Ezra Bridger and a guy showing up with a green
lightsaber to save the day had to be Ezra, and
he was super disappointed with that. So I think that
that's are just seeing how it's changed for all of
us as we ingest and take in Star Wars in
different eras.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Yeah, wow, absolutely, Well. Another thing that changes within all
of us at different eras and stages of our life
is humor. And Star Wars is that nothing? If I'm
not always had a lot of funny stuff in it.
What do you think the role of humor in Star
Wars the weird? Does that keep it feeling like Star Wars?
Because we had some minut stuff early on with you know,
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boring conversation anyway, I don't know, how are you you know,
all that kind of stuff all the way up through
Fly Casual and then in the prequels when we have
a younger audience, we have you know, Eopie's farting and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So talk a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
The role that you see, the crucial role of humor
in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, humor makes perfect sense in context of what you
were describing, especially with the prequels and Jar Jar and
the Opie and.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
When you remember what George Lucas has said, well, as
he was making those movies, as Star Wars was for
twelve year olds, and if you're a twelve year old
kid watching the fandom menace and the Opie farts. That's
that's great, right, you know C three po was was
funny in the original and adults didn't like him and
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kids did. And it's the same thing with Jar Jar
in the prequels, and there was the you know, I
think it was I think Ryan was attempting to go
down some of the path of what you were using
as an illustration there with like Han saying your boring
conversation anyway, and some of that sarcastic humor with that
opening sequence with Poe and general hugs.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I love it. I love it. I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But I can understand where if you if you're going
for and this again, this is the this is the
big debate now after and or, if you gravitate as
you've aged, and you're a thirty year old guy or
a thirty five year old or forty year old person
watching these things, that stuff's maybe not what your whole
hoping to see. You're hoping to see the and or stuff,
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so that that conflict is there. But I remember sitting
next to Natan and Sam in the theater watching the
Last Jedi, and they're cracking up in that opening, and
I think that's going to be critical to keeping it
keeping it light. I think that that's one piece that
and Or never really landed humor well in the entire series.
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But it wasn't built for twelve year olds. It was
built for guys like us and people like us.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's true.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And again, every time.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I spending too much time on the internet, I hear
we're exposed to the things that people think are.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Dumb or the things way too much to warn it.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but then I'll watch I'll go and watch
that episode with my son and I'll be like, what
did you think of that?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And I'll be like, oh, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I was like, Okay, so it worked, it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Worked for the right person, the mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So one more question before we say our break, what
do you hope the future generations will take from Star
Wars or maybe bring to Star Wars as we go?
You know, you're as you know, as we're talking about
tattooing grandsons, what are they going to be talking about
when Star Wars is still around in twenty plus years.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm concerned that they won't, but I hope that there's there,
really is an appreciation and almost to an extent of
a reverence for the original trilogy. You know, twenty twenty
five years from now, it's not some seventy five year
old movie that my grandpa watched and he made his
kids watch. I'm hoping that they understand the way that
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that story is there. I love how and or Rogue
one and then a New Hope changes the way that
you watch a New Hope, and then it changes the
way you view the Empire going forward and watching that trilogy.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I love that. I do.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
As much as I'm not a fan of the idea
of cgi Original Trilogy characters or even I'm not even
sure I want a ton of stories in live action
being retold in that era, I do hope that they
continue to tell stories in that area era.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think that they need to.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I would love to see Lucasfilm open up, loosen the
reins a little bit for writers to write within that
era more. I don't feel like they've given much latitude
to do that, And you know, maybe even I've often
said that, you know, after you go from Clone Wars
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Rebels bad Batch. I think the next era is Original
Trilogy era. I would love to do an animated story
of stuff happening between a new Hope and Empire and
Empire Return of the Jedi, with the original characters, but
make it animated, get great voiceover actors in there with it,
and expand that story so that those generation I just
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want this mythology. That's my hope for future generations. I
want this mythology. I want there to be opportunities for
parents to sit with their children and talk about right
and wrong and good and evil from the perspective of
telling a kid's story, because that's what they did for
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hundreds of years, using other myths and other fairy tales,
and this is our mythology now.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Hoky religions and ancient weapons are no match for a
good blast. Rich Er side Kin.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's always a blast talking about Star Wars with the
guys over at the streaming Star Wars Network, whether it's
on att Live or the Road to Rebellion recap.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Show, or any of the stuff that they do. Pete
and Nick.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Understand and Star Wars in a really important way, and
having these kinds of conversations are great. As we wrap
up this really I think enlightening conversation from all of
us involved. It was just a great back and forth.
I do want to reflect on three key takeaways that
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I feel really should resonate deeply with us dads who
love Star Wars saga and want to see it endure
not just for us, but for our kids and future generations.
The first thing is this, we really looked at how
Star Wars transcends being mere entertainment. It really does serve
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as modern mythology. It helps all of us, but especially kids,
navigate the complexities of good and evil in our lives.
So as dads, sharing these timeless stories with our children
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not only sparks their imagination, but it also opens up
really important, vital conversations for us to be able to
have with our children about morality and about heroism and
what is right and wrong. It's our chance to teach
them about making choices and standing up for what's right,
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just like the good guys in the Star Wars Galaxy do. Second,
we looked at the importance of humor in this franchise.
Star Wars has always balanced the heaviness and the darkness
of these epic narratives with moments of levity, and as dads,
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we know how important humor is for us as we're parenting. So,
whether it's you're watching these stories with your kids and
you're sharing a laugh over some silly thing that Han
Solo said, or jar je oar beans or something Chopper
does in Rebels or grow Gou eating frogs with it,
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these moments create bonds with our kids, and they remind
us that even in the darkest moments and the hardest times,
laughter can be a part of how to light the way.
And then finally we discussed in this how our hopes
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are what our hopes are really for future generations of
Star Wars fans. As dads, we really want our kids
to appreciate, you know, the Star Wars that we had
when we were kids, whether or not that's the original
trilogy or the prequels or whatever, and all of the
themes that come along with that, because it ensures that
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the magic of Star Wars continues to inspire them. And
so by introducing our kids and our grandkids now to
these stories, we're not just sharing a film series. We're
passing on a legacy, a shared mythology. That allows us
to have conversations again about adventure and friendship and as
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I mentioned earlier, the eternal struggle between light and dark.
If you enjoyed this conversation, I really want to encourage
you guys to check out everything from around the galaxy
in the streaming Star Wars network. There atg Live show
that comes out on Thursdays, all of the other podcasts
stuff that they do. Their YouTube channel is constantly being
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updated with great content. They have a website that shares
a lot of the latest and Star Wars news, So
make sure you follow them on social and engage with
all of those different platforms, and of course don't forget
to follow us to Tattooing Sons at Tattooing Sons Sons
on pretty much any social media channels, YouTube, all of
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those things. We want you to be involved in these
conversations as we explore what it means to live in
a galaxy far far away across the generations. So thank
you guys so much for listening. Until the next time, Midfource.
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What if I told you that Star Wars is more
than just a space opera, a saga of a series
of films. In essence, it's a modern mythology that has
gone a long ways towards shaping a generation's understanding of
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right and wrong and good and evil. This week's episode
of Tattoo and Suns is actually a special rebroadcast of
my interview on ATG Live with Pete Fletcher and Nick Milkey.
In it, we explore the mythic essence of Star Wars
and how it's evolved over the last almost fifty years.
(00:47):
In this I'm going to reminisce a lot about my
first memories with the franchise, and then we're going to
discuss these timeless themes of good versus evil and right
and wrong, and how this franchise can continue to evolve
whilst staying true to its core, and also how things
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like humor have shaped these stories. So, whether you're sharing
the saga with your kids or you're just a lifelong fan,
this episode is packed with a lot of interesting conversations
and discussions and insights that I think are going to
resonate with every Star Wars enthusiast. So grab your lightsaber,
(01:30):
grab a couple of coffee, settle in. This is a
journey that you won't want to miss. This is Tatooine Sons.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Welcome to Tatooine Sons, a Star Wars podcast, the only
fan podcast to name a canon Star Wars creature and
to be endorsed by the writer and director of The
Last Jedi, Ryan Johnson. Get Ready to explore a galaxy
far far away across the generations. It was your host,
David the bow Tie Jedi Guy, with a special presentation
(02:05):
of his appearance on ATG Live.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Hey, it's me, so, dude, what was your first Star
Wars memory and and what made it instantly feel different
from anything else you'd see.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
There's like there's like two, there's three memories I think
of when I think of Star Wars because it came
out when I was two years old, right, so I
didn't see it in the theaters, and in seventy seven,
I remember it being on Loop on HBO when I
was like four or five, and and what that's my
That was my initial exposure to Star Wars was seeing
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it like that and just fascinated by the this sor
I remember being bored to death through anything on Tattooine,
like we all are if we're honest, and then that's
what yeah, once, once we get once, once Han shows up,
I remember, I remember when Han because he did shoot first, yes,
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but when he did, I remember distinctly wondering is he
a good guy or a bad guy? Up until the
very end of the movie, right, and when he shows
back up to save Luke at the Death Star, I
was like relieved and excited and because he was, he
was truly a good guy. So that's that's sort of
an early early memory playing action figures in the backyard
(03:30):
with Marvin and Brandy and Jamie, my three friends that
were on the cul de Sac with us. We did
that for years, and then I remember distinctly a Sunday
afternoon when one of those guys showed up at the
house and said that their mom was taking them all
to go see Return of the Jedi and wanted to
know if I could come. And I had a commitment
(03:50):
that night with my family and I couldn't go, and
I was I did not see a Star Wars in
the theaters until the special editions.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So yeah, that's my earliest Star Wars memories. Wow, it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So if as we're talking tonight, we're talking about what
makes the Star Wars and Star Wars and we're going
to kind of dig into that from a cuffer different angles.
So the first question I want to ask you is
if you had to describe the Star Wars feel in
one word, what would that word be and why.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's so hard because I think that the initial word
that always comes to my mind is hope. But that's
sort of overdone, right, I mean everybody, everybody says that,
and it's going going all the way back to I mean,
it was really it really became the word at the
end of Rugue one with that, with that inter theaters
and Leah says it, and I do think that that's,
you know, a word that describes it. But I would
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tell you that I feel the more the older I get, the.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
More the word mythic.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay really really it sticks with me with Star Wars.
There's something so big about that story and it's why
it's endured for almost fifty years, and it's you know,
they're goofy old men like us on a Fursday night
sitting around Star Wars every single week, because there's something
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bigger than just a sci fi franchise or a fun
movie or something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And that's the word I would use to describe it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's funny you say that. When I was when I
was writing for Star Wars Galaxy Magazine, I had done it.
I was asked to speak at some local sci fi
thing and I did a whole presentation on the modern
day myth and I started my presentation by saying that
Star Wars is not science fiction. And I remember like
(05:44):
there were people that were literally like, oh, you're wrong,
You're dead wrong. But I mean, this is why Star
Trek comes and goes, and there's nothing in Star Trek Besuse.
I do love a lot of the Star Trek stuff,
but it does kind of, you know, it ebbs and
flows because it's it. I mean, yeah, it does have
some of the the elements, but Star Wars is all
those elements the same.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, it's not the same. Yeah, And it's really interesting.
And I love that you said that. It kind of
hit that way because we've had these conversations before. We've
had these conversations as different shows have come out throughout
the Star Wars you know, certainly in the Disney Plus era. David,
I've heard you guys talk about this a good bit.
Our friend Dan Zeer talks about this salt on coffee
with Kenobi.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The fact.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
And this is even more prescient in my mind recently
because my kids are all obsessed right now with ancient
Egypt and the Pharaohs and Joseph and all these stories.
We watched The Ten Commandments the other week. I watched
Ten Commandments growing up, like all the time as a kid,
that big movie, yes, every Easter, and it was such
an epic movie. And my dad, of all people who
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liked Westerns and Star Trek, he was like, we have
to watch the Ten Commendments. But it's Star Wars has become.
And I say this because there's so much of Egyptian mythology,
you know, my kids and the stuff you know through
the Thor and Loki movies. You know, we've got Norseman thought.
This is our modern American mythology that has interwoven itself
into our culture, and we see it in so many
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ways from people who you know, in one form or
another become actual adherents of some version of the force
as a guidance principle in their life. We have cons
we have celebration, we have Star Wars Day, our baseball
teams take on Star Wars special events like this, this
mythology created by this guy from California, this story has
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become an actual mythology that has actually woven into the
actual course of our lives.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We get tattoos of it.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
We you know, it becomes this thing that is more
than just and people have Star Trek tattoos. Like you said,
there's but it's a different thing and it holds in
a different status because when there's a news story like
we're going to get into later about who's going to
be in charge of Star Wars, like it becomes front
page news. It's not the same as if oh, they're
making another season of Lower Decks. That's a different thing.
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So it's really fascinating.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And I love that the.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Word you chose as mythic because it started out as
a story influenced by myth and now has become a
mythology all of its own.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, And you know, the other day, I think it
was Monday, I was sitting in here in the in
the off my office. I worked from home. My office
doubles as our podcast studio. It's nice now I'm actually
not in a four by four closet where I've been
for the last four years. I had a son move out,
so I get a room now for it, and I
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have had a TV on and there was some videos
playing on on and and a History Channel documentary from
the time that Phantom Menace came out.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I think it's called The Legacy.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Revealed came on and it had you know, people talking
about the mythology and how this ties in and you know,
it's stuff that we know, it's talked about like.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Crazy and in the Star Wars world.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But as I was watching it, I kept wondering, is
that something that at this point in our world, in
the timing that we're at, if we need more, we
need more of this. There is a sense of right
and wrong and good and evil, and there you know,
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there's a reason to stand up against, you know, a
tyranny and darkness and we need to stand up against that.
And so, you know, that's that's something that I think
that we people gravitate towards these stories in the Star
Wars universe because they help us. I mean, we used
to open our podcast for years with saying there's a
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story written on our souls and that these myths speak
to that story. And that's exactly what I feel like
Star Wars does.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, it's it's truting.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think that's the only that's the when when people
I used to ask the question why does Star Wars survive?
And it's it's because of that. It's it's so much
deeper than just a just a handful of movies. But
so as we look at sort of the question of
what makes us Star Wars a story wars, because now
we've seen different in iterations, you know, as we've gone
through Disney plus, we've seen things that are you know,
(10:07):
you see something like and or which is you know,
is it fully star Wars? What's it missing? Does it
have everything? And you have things all kinds of different
types of stories. So, in your opinion, what is sort
of the essential elements of a Star Wars story that
make it star Wars?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And this as I answered this, I'm fully aware that
two of the last three releases within Star Wars have
blurred this line somewhat with it, But there's there really
truly was, especially when you go back to the original trilogy,
there was this clear delineation between who the good guys
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were and the bad guys were right with it, and
I think we get that in series like and Or.
We know who the good guys are and even though
we have guys like Luthen that are are there.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I think we talked about it when we were doing
The Road to.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Rebellionsh they're terrorists, right, I think Colton said said that
made it that clear. They're terrorists and their revolutionaries. But
sometimes the cause requires you to take a stand in
a violent manner. And I'm not trying, you know, say
saying that like lightly. I'm saying that that's the way
that that story it plays out with it. I feel
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like when we got to the prequels, we saw that
there were good guys and bad guys. There was light
and there was dark. There was good, there was evil,
but we saw that there was and I love it
in the In the prequels, specifically that era, we see
this group that should be standing on the right side
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every single time, and they're corrupted by the institutionalization of the.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Of the Jedi order and they're their.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Marriage toward the political system, and we see the Jedi falling,
you know, in the last Jedi have my favorite Star
Wars movie. We see Jet, we see Luke talking about
the Huberts and the Jedi and being be able to
be corrupted with it. We see that falling apart with that.
I struggled somewhat with the Acolyte because I was I could.
I struggled with who's the good guys and who's the
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bad guys? And really is there this clear sense of
right wrong with it? And I think that that's one
of the things that has always made Star Wars uh
grab me, is is there's there really you kind of
know what side you're supposed to be rooting for with them.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's interesting too because I've said this a bunch of
times recently, especially as we've gotten to the Disney era
of Star Wars. Is the you know, in nineteen seventy seven,
moviegoers story receivers wanted and we're more adjusted to simple stories.
And I don't mean that to minimize it. But there's
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good guys, bad guys, and they were called rebels, but
we didn't think of them as rebels as we think
of rebels today. And it's interesting that Star Wars storytelling
has grown with us as a result, right and that
the reason and Or is so good is because it
explores those areas that you know, I don't think in
nineteen seventy seven we wanted to think of you know,
(13:28):
Captain Antilles as a potential you know, connected to a
terrorist organization, right. We wanted him to be the guy
who did what he had to do with the droids
and blah blah blah. So I think that that's part
of this really unique growth is that you know, it's
like Clone Wars. When we look at the Clone Wars episodes,
they evolved with their audience, Right, They started out as
ten year olds, and by the time it ended they
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were older, the stories got more mature and.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They it was the same way asolutely, I'm sure, ye yep, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, and it was easier when we were And I
think that's the other thing that we've talked about too,
and you hit on it just a little bit. Even
for those of us that grew up with the original trilogy.
We grew up with Star Wars, and Star Wars grew
up with us. It was really easy as a kid
to tell the difference between the good guys and the
bad guys, because the good guys were kind of this ragtag,
you know, run around the cool ones. The bad guys
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all had clean, pristine armor, they all matched. It was big,
it was scary. And then as we got older and
we got things like dj in the Last Jedi, and
we get you know, these other characters, and he's going, yeah,
guess what, everybody's a bad guy because they're selling ships
to the same people. They're selling ships too. Because that's
how life works for us in the real world. We
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have to grow up and we have to figure out
how to make ethical choices, and we have to figure
out who's a good guy and who's a bad guy
and where does that?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
For as much as I am not one who says
there should be a gray Jedi, because I think we
have dark side and we have light side, it also
gives you that moment to pause to go. But that's
where people come up with that, because you're going, what
if you are You are a decently good guy, but
you sometimes we got a little bit of that envisions.
So I think that eternal struggle of light and dark
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good and bad good versus evil is a key crucial
part of Star Wars, but we all get to engage
with it at different levels. In different ways. And I
think that is it feeds into what we said earlier.
It feeds into what makes this myth so endearing and
lasting the way it does well.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And that's a beauty of where we're at in the
production of Star Wars now, because it's not like we're
going to have three movies wait ten twelve fifteen years.
Three movies wait ten twelve fifteen years. So those three
movies don't have to just be all for twelve year olds.
(15:45):
As George Lucas said at the fortieth anniversary of Star
Wars panel in Orlando, it needed to be that way
when it was just these trilogies coming out. It doesn't
have to be that way now. And that's something that
I've had to over the last several years come to
grips with that there can be stories like and Or,
and there can be stories as we talked about before
(16:08):
with the Acolyte and those types of things, because we
get more of them now. I'm of the opinion that
your cinematic universe should stay the big tent, poll, full on,
family driven. Star Wars is for twelve year old's experience,
(16:28):
and then I'm saying go to town on Disney plus
with and Or, and with Crazy, some Star Wars.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Horror or whatever we need to do.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Let us that have aged with it have content that
tells a story to us today so that we can
continue to stay engaged. But let's be wise and realize
that there should be stories like Skeleton Group. There should
be stories like Essoca to go alongside with an and Or,
so that people at different stages of life, for maturity
(17:00):
levels and different preferences, have the opportunity to engage in
this universe.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, and I think that's the great thing about I mean,
you know, Greg Iwinsky, his friend of the show and
a writer on The Young Jedi mentioned, I mean that
is such a cool I love that my son is
a Star Wars, a Clone Wars hit. He's the you know,
Rex fives and Cody guy, Like, that's his Star Wars,
(17:26):
which is so amazing. And that's only a result of
the fact that there's so much different things coming out,
because honestly, I didn't watch Clone Wars until he started
watching it, and just because I was like, oh, it's
a cartoon. I don't one, and I missed so much
great stuff. But it's it's, as you were just saying,
it's like there's enough for everybody, and and whatever gets
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you into the myth, that's great, right.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So yeah, I remember sitting there at when Mandalorian season
two finale hit and I'm sitting there with Sam and
Nate and so Nate, I think was about thirteen, fourteen
years old, maybe fifteen, and we were sitting there watching
that finale and somebody showed up in an X Swing
and they were hooded and they got out and they
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started just mowing down bad guys with a green lightsaber.
And I'm sitting on that couch with him, one hundred
percent convinced knowing it's Luke and super excited to see
Luke Skywalker return. And when the character when it was
revealed to be Luke, Nathan led out a disappointed sigh
(18:36):
because for him, he was convinced it was Ezra Bridger returning.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
From the Regions because Star Wars for him was Rebels
and the ultimate Jedi.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He'll argue to this day that the ultimate Jedi is
Ezra Bridger and a guy showing up with a green
lightsaber to save the day had to be Ezra, and
he was super disappointed with that. So I think that
that's are just seeing how it's changed for all of
us as we ingest and take in Star Wars in
different eras.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Yeah, wow, absolutely, Well. Another thing that changes within all
of us at different eras and stages of our life
is humor. And Star Wars is that nothing? If I'm
not always had a lot of funny stuff in it.
What do you think the role of humor in Star
Wars the weird? Does that keep it feeling like Star Wars?
Because we had some minut stuff early on with you know,
(19:27):
boring conversation anyway, I don't know, how are you you know,
all that kind of stuff all the way up through
Fly Casual and then in the prequels when we have
a younger audience, we have you know, Eopie's farting and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So talk a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
The role that you see, the crucial role of humor
in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, humor makes perfect sense in context of what you
were describing, especially with the prequels and Jar Jar and
the Opie and.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
When you remember what George Lucas has said, well, as
he was making those movies, as Star Wars was for
twelve year olds, and if you're a twelve year old
kid watching the fandom menace and the Opie farts. That's
that's great, right, you know C three po was was
funny in the original and adults didn't like him and
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kids did. And it's the same thing with Jar Jar
in the prequels, and there was the you know, I
think it was I think Ryan was attempting to go
down some of the path of what you were using
as an illustration there with like Han saying your boring
conversation anyway, and some of that sarcastic humor with that
opening sequence with Poe and general hugs.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I love it. I love it. I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But I can understand where if you if you're going
for and this again, this is the this is the
big debate now after and or, if you gravitate as
you've aged, and you're a thirty year old guy or
a thirty five year old or forty year old person
watching these things, that stuff's maybe not what your whole
hoping to see. You're hoping to see the and or stuff,
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so that that conflict is there. But I remember sitting
next to Natan and Sam in the theater watching the
Last Jedi, and they're cracking up in that opening, and
I think that's going to be critical to keeping it
keeping it light. I think that that's one piece that
and Or never really landed humor well in the entire series.
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But it wasn't built for twelve year olds. It was
built for guys like us and people like us.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's true.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And again, every time.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I spending too much time on the internet, I hear
we're exposed to the things that people think are.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Dumb or the things way too much to warn it.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but then I'll watch I'll go and watch
that episode with my son and I'll be like, what
did you think of that?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And I'll be like, oh, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I was like, Okay, so it worked, it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Worked for the right person, the mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So one more question before we say our break, what
do you hope the future generations will take from Star
Wars or maybe bring to Star Wars as we go?
You know, you're as you know, as we're talking about
tattooing grandsons, what are they going to be talking about
when Star Wars is still around in twenty plus years.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm concerned that they won't, but I hope that there's there,
really is an appreciation and almost to an extent of
a reverence for the original trilogy. You know, twenty twenty
five years from now, it's not some seventy five year
old movie that my grandpa watched and he made his
kids watch. I'm hoping that they understand the way that
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that story is there. I love how and or Rogue
one and then a New Hope changes the way that
you watch a New Hope, and then it changes the
way you view the Empire going forward and watching that trilogy.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
So I love that. I do.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
As much as I'm not a fan of the idea
of cgi Original Trilogy characters or even I'm not even
sure I want a ton of stories in live action
being retold in that era, I do hope that they
continue to tell stories in that area era.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think that they need to.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I would love to see Lucasfilm open up, loosen the
reins a little bit for writers to write within that
era more. I don't feel like they've given much latitude
to do that, And you know, maybe even I've often
said that, you know, after you go from Clone Wars
(23:45):
Rebels bad Batch. I think the next era is Original
Trilogy era. I would love to do an animated story
of stuff happening between a new Hope and Empire and
Empire Return of the Jedi, with the original characters, but
make it animated, get great voiceover actors in there with it,
and expand that story so that those generation I just
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want this mythology. That's my hope for future generations. I
want this mythology. I want there to be opportunities for
parents to sit with their children and talk about right
and wrong and good and evil from the perspective of
telling a kid's story, because that's what they did for
(24:31):
hundreds of years, using other myths and other fairy tales,
and this is our mythology now.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Hoky religions and ancient weapons are no match for a
good blast. Rich Er side Kin.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's always a blast talking about Star Wars with the
guys over at the streaming Star Wars Network, whether it's
on att Live or the Road to Rebellion recap.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Show, or any of the stuff that they do. Pete
and Nick.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Understand and Star Wars in a really important way, and
having these kinds of conversations are great. As we wrap
up this really I think enlightening conversation from all of
us involved. It was just a great back and forth.
I do want to reflect on three key takeaways that
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I feel really should resonate deeply with us dads who
love Star Wars saga and want to see it endure
not just for us, but for our kids and future generations.
The first thing is this, we really looked at how
Star Wars transcends being mere entertainment. It really does serve
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as modern mythology. It helps all of us, but especially kids,
navigate the complexities of good and evil in our lives.
So as dads, sharing these timeless stories with our children
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not only sparks their imagination, but it also opens up
really important, vital conversations for us to be able to
have with our children about morality and about heroism and
what is right and wrong. It's our chance to teach
them about making choices and standing up for what's right,
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just like the good guys in the Star Wars Galaxy do. Second,
we looked at the importance of humor in this franchise.
Star Wars has always balanced the heaviness and the darkness
of these epic narratives with moments of levity, and as dads,
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we know how important humor is for us as we're parenting. So,
whether it's you're watching these stories with your kids and
you're sharing a laugh over some silly thing that Han
Solo said, or jar je oar beans or something Chopper
does in Rebels or grow Gou eating frogs with it,
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these moments create bonds with our kids, and they remind
us that even in the darkest moments and the hardest times,
laughter can be a part of how to light the way.
And then finally we discussed in this how our hopes
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are what our hopes are really for future generations of
Star Wars fans. As dads, we really want our kids
to appreciate, you know, the Star Wars that we had
when we were kids, whether or not that's the original
trilogy or the prequels or whatever, and all of the
themes that come along with that, because it ensures that
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the magic of Star Wars continues to inspire them. And
so by introducing our kids and our grandkids now to
these stories, we're not just sharing a film series. We're
passing on a legacy, a shared mythology. That allows us
to have conversations again about adventure and friendship and as
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I mentioned earlier, the eternal struggle between light and dark.
If you enjoyed this conversation, I really want to encourage
you guys to check out everything from around the galaxy
in the streaming Star Wars network. There atg Live show
that comes out on Thursdays, all of the other podcasts
stuff that they do. Their YouTube channel is constantly being
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updated with great content. They have a website that shares
a lot of the latest and Star Wars news, So
make sure you follow them on social and engage with
all of those different platforms, and of course don't forget
to follow us to Tattooing Sons at Tattooing Sons Sons
on pretty much any social media channels, YouTube, all of
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those things. We want you to be involved in these
conversations as we explore what it means to live in
a galaxy far far away across the generations. So thank
you guys so much for listening. Until the next time, Midfource.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Being with you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Thank you for listening to Tattooine Suns, a Star Wars podcast.
Please subscribe and follow Tattooine Suns on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,
or your favorite podcast app. Tattooine Suns regularly publishes thoughtful
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and may the Force be with you always.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
This podcast, website, and social media accounts are not endorsed
by the Walt Disney Company or Lucasfilm Limited, and it's
intended for entertainment purposes only Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
All names and sounds, and any other Star Wars related
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All original contents of this podcast and website is the
intellectual property of Tattooing Suns unless otherwise indicated.
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