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Speaker 1 (01:05):
En Rico is the author of Finding Your Compass, a
transformative journey from rigid belief to inner freedom, guiding readers
to discover the sacred truth within themselves. And Enrico is
on the line with us here just now.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
How are you today, Hi, Toby, I'm good.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I'm excellent. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I've just finished reading your book, Finding Your Compass. So
for those who haven't read it, can you give us
a brief overview of what's inside the book.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Finding Your Accomplish Yet it's really it starts with avery
quite personal journey. I was brought up with a very
strict conservative religious background. I was someone who deeply believed
that the Bible is the Word of God. I preached
a salvation on the streets of Cape Town, South Africa,
at the age of eighteen. And some people say that
(02:01):
the fastest way out is to go deep insight, and
I think for me this was the case because I,
I really, let's say, took everything very literally. And this
is basically the book tells a story of how I
figured out that there's more to let's say, God than
the so God would of God.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, because the book has very much written in the
first person, and it's about your own experience of how
you sort of I guess your journey of realization about
the Bible and how it's maybe not I guess the
true word of God that people would assume so was
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there a moment that you realized you had to put
your experiences in a book.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
That's an interesting question. I worked in Israel for three
years on a project, and I think when I was
in Israel, I was confronted with what I thought I believe.
You know, because if you walk around in Israel and
you go to Jericho, then you need to ask yourself
the question, do you really believe that certain people was
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told to let's say, take the city of andother people.
You know, so you're you're really confronted with with what
you thought you believe. And when I decided to put
this in writing this, there's a song from South Africa
that the song by Fort Jackson Ajill and one of
the one of the part of the song says, you
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tie up all your problems and you make them look
neat and then you sell them to the people in
the street. And that's that's kind of wrang with me.
I think it's good to write about your experiences because
I think other people that are in similar situations, let's say,
could learn from it and could take something from that.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And did you have it all sort of figured out
before you started?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Right in the book, I mean, like I guess.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Not at all. I think I wrote the book basically
to figure it out, you know, because for someone and
I think many many readers who were brought up Christian
and conservative can probably, let's say, resonate with this fact.
But if you are really impregnated with a certain idea
from let's say a very young age, and it's not
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so odd to let's say, step out of that or
step away from that. So I wrote this book, really,
I think, first of all for myself to give myself
clarity and guidance for the future, because there was a
certain point in time where I figured out I cannot
continue to believe certain stuff. How do I continue? What
will my new foundation be?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And where would you say you are now? I mean,
are you stell religious? And it's just certain parts of
the Bible that are you know, have errors?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Are you know? Do you have you written off the
whole thing?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
So, first of all, I do not consider myself religious,
but spiritual. So I think that religion is really organized religion,
and I think spirituality is more free. Spirituality gives us
the opportunity to explore without let's say, fixing things that
it needs to be in a certain way that people
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demand that you believe in a certain way or believe
certain things. I think spirituality gives us the opportunity to
really explore and to I think for for every person
to to come deeper and closer to the mystery. As
as explained in the book. I'm still a believer in
the mystery, in the mysterious power, but I think everyone
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encounters on a daily basis. But in order to define that, yeah,
this is how I see religion. Religion says, we know
that it's it's really this this specific way.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So what was it that made you believe in the
in the Bible in the first place.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I think it's upbringing, right, I think for like, like
for most of kids in the West, I'm a little
bit older than you are, but I think you know,
thirty forty years ago, especially, we went to church twice
on a Sunday, and then you had an additional hour
of Sunday school since three hours, and then you also
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had Bible studies in class, you know. But I love
believing in it because since I was small, I had
spiritual experiences, if I could put it this way, I
was aware that there was a power in life that
is greater than ourselves. I've experienced myself, and I named
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it like I was taught to name it. But I
think in the book I make it clear that different
people call this power and this mystery by different names.
And I think I was glad that I woke up
to this finally.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And did you ever feel betrayed by the Bible or
the people who taught you how to read it?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
One should walk it up.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Oh yes, I think I felt angry at some point
in time, but I think it's not an anger towards
someone else. It's one anger towards myself for really believing
as a child, you know, we were taught to believe
like a child, do not question. For me, it was
like going to the forbidden section of the library, really,
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you know, and to really go like Harry Potter almost
going to the forbidden section of the library and look
what is there? For me? Asking certain questions was exactly
like that. And I'm very glad today that I had
the courage to actually ask. And I think, yeah, come
to some meaningful conclusion.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And some of the things you cover in the book
are of course about because you start off with the
idea that for the Bible to be the true word
of God has to be without any errors. But very
quickly you can start to notice errors like the story
of Adam and Eve, like Eve coming from Adam's rep
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It doesn't sort of make It's not consistent with the
biology that we know.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So but I guess it could.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You could be argued that these things are metaphors or
God can sort of do anything he wants because he's God.
So how do you sort of get around that and
sort of believe that it has to be based on science.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, it's a good question, right. So I think what
I want to make clear in the book is I
go back to my mathematics election at university where the
profession taught us. If it is raining, then they are
clouds in the sky. There are no clouds in the sky,
then it is not raining. So this means for me
that if the religious text are the word of God,
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they need to be true. If they are not true,
they cannot be the good of God. That's that's simple logic.
And so of course you know an almighty being can
do anything. Yeah, I think also logically that is clear
to anyone. But I think the problem comes in when
the spiritual lessons are based on so called historical facts. Yeah.
(09:03):
So the the all point that Adam and Eve would
have been the first humans. This is very explicit in
the Bible, and they all theology is based on this,
that the first Adam fell and the second Adam saved us. Yeah.
But if you if you go back and your cea,
this first Adam really did not exist, he could not
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have existed, then also the spiritual lesson associated with that
is not valid anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, Now who would you say the book is for?
Because I got the impression from reading it is Kina
written for maybe somebody like you who did believe in
the Bible one hundred percent and was religious, but are
maybe a little bit doubtful and that's why they've turned
to the book. Would that be correct or it could
it be for anybody?
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Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think first and foremost it's for people that the
chairy religious background, People that that, let's say, notice in
their own lives that is higher peller, but also struggle
with the fact that they cannot, let's say, have peace
with everything written in the Bible. People that have been
taught that the Bible is really the word of God.
It's a way out for these people to tell they
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may they small to we do not have to box
in spirituality in the way we have been taught. You
do not have to throw away the baby with the
dirty bove water. On the other end, I think many readers, well,
what about you, I think you grew up in a
different generation. What did what did you find the book like?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, well, I guess for me personally, I found it
sort of just confirmed most of what I already can
have thought. Whether that's generational or I guess upbringing generally
because I guess although I did grow up around religion
to some extent, maybe not as much as most people.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
What would your parents or grandparents think, Well.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Reading the book, I think they'd probably have mostly the
same views as me. Some other family members maybe not.
It'd be interesting to see their thoughts on it, actually,
because you know, if somebody is deeply religious, I wonder
if this book would change their opinion at all, or
if they have a belief there's maybe no way of
sort of convincing them otherwise.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But I think, you know, the point of the book
is not to do way with religion all with religious beliefs.
I think what I try to explain in the book
is that it's like the story of India and the Elephant.
Like it's like six blind men touching an elephant and
each really observing something else. And I think the power
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on earth is like that. It is too big for
us to box in. You know. The Indus says it's
like this, and the islam ga I says it's like this,
and the Christian says it's like this, and the Jew
says it's like that. And it doesn't need to be
a specific dogma. I think we we came to an age,
you know, where I think religion has done enough harm.
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And I think this is also why I think this
book is extremely important because you know, perhaps for yourself
in the UK, it's not such a big issue, but
once you move to the USA, for example, the number
of people that actually believe that added Eve were the
first human beings it's something like forty percent. It's it's,
it's it's it's quite significant. And based on this you
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get religious walls, you get support for genocides in Gaza
and stuff like that. So I really see this this
book is very important for people to break free from
this dogmatic thing that I need to believe that a
certain text is wholly in order to believe. I think
this is this is a false premise that I like
to do away with.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And do you still read the Bible today? And if so,
how is your reading of it changed?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I do not read it a lot, to be honest,
because I used to be a seven student of the Bible,
so I know it quite well already. I do not
really need to read it to to to And I
read it. When I say I read it, I read
it from you know, beginning to end. I also studied it.
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But you know, once you go into spiritualism and and
and into spiritual laws, then you realize that a lot
of a lot of spiritual laws even even today, if
you if you read witchcraft books or you read books
are the occult, then you will find something very very interesting,
and this is that the so called spiritual laws that
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these people promote are exactly the same as you could
find in the New Testament. Sometimes you know, it's it's
this is really scary on the one end, also amazing
on the other. And the tells also that any real principle,
it's not confined to a single book. What I do
like to do nowadays is to expand my knowledge a bit.
I like to read also Chinese philosophy, and the Chinese
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is a very very interesting way, so that they are,
for example, that I also speak about in the book,
and you find the same truths, truths truth I think
it's not confined to a single philosophy or a single religion.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well are you working on any other books or any
kind of projects along the same lanes.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Well, yeah, so first of all, I've translated the book
now myself into German and into Italian, and the German
narration or the audiobook is also available, and today I
ordered the narration in Italian. So I'm really looking forward
to this. This is keeping me quite busy. I've also
written one other book in the meantime, is a German
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short story, and I'm also excited to continue on this path.
I'm a rather new author. I've loved writing for I
was small, but I only started now. Perhaps it's also good,
you know, to start later in life, when you have
let a little bit more experience, know what you want
and where you want to go.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Absolutely well, in the meantime, where are we able to
find this current book? Finding your compass?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So finding Your Compass is available on Amazon in soft
cover format, and it's also available as audiobook on Google Play,
on Spotify, and also on iTunes, and I think thirty
other platforms, yes, because I published through Find a Way Voices,
so I do not know all the platforms, but it's
really excited. Today. I go in on a daily basis,
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you know, to check statistics, and then I say, hey,
someone read under pages or someone listened to the book.
This is really exciting. So this is really exciting. And
whenever someone and also you know, people writing to me
and say, hey, the book really meant something to me,
people leaving reviews, this is awesome to see you. And
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I think this is really a lot of encouragements for
the future.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Absolutely, well, many thanks for coming on the show today.
It's been great to have you on.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Thank you, Derby.
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