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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're in a good place now you are listening to
Perspectives with Ashley Burgess. Welcome back live to the Ashley
Burgess Show. And today I want to talk about malignant narcissists,
being able to identify malignant narcissist, understanding what a malignant
narcissist is. And I'm going to give you some examples
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in the news with people who are malignant narcissists who
decide that they can say whatever they want to say,
they will do whatever they want to do, and it
doesn't matter because they're not going to take responsibility for
their actions. And if you're in a relationship with a
malignant narcissist, you probably feel pretty beat down by now.
You probably feel pretty beat down, very disappointed, very upset,
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and you're dealing with somebody that has absolutely zero empathy
for you, and somebody that actually gets happiness, gets joy
off of upsetting you, off of putting you down. Because
these are small people that are hiding behind this big mask.
And on today's show, I think it's very important to
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discuss this. I think that many of you might have
a malignant narcissist in your life, and these people are
a cancer. They are a cancer. You want to cut
them out of your life. And you might be in
a relationship with one of these people, and you're gonna
have to safeguard yourself because you know, the care is
not real care. And unfortunately, I don't know if they're
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even capable of loving anybody because of this entire concept
of being so negative, being brutal, and not taking any
responsibility for anything that they do or say. Okay, they
can say anything they want to say, and then you're
supposed to just take them back in good graces. Now
if you flip the script and you say something rude
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to them, something that they consider mean or disrespectful, well
you got another thing coming. Okay, they don't accept that
type of stuff. They don't accept anybody going against them.
And if you do, you will pay. You will pay,
and they'll make sure that you do. And so today
let's talk about what it means to be a malignant narcissist.
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And it's like it's like the top of the game
of narcissism. When you become a millignant narcissist, you are
an extreme narcissist. You know, you are right at that edge.
I believe like antisocial behavior, people call it sociopathic behavior.
You're right there, You're right up on there. Okay. There's
not a lot of you know, division between that and that. Okay,
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so it's very close. It's like they're both sitting together.
You got like the antisocial sociopath sitting next to the
millignant narcissist in the car. And you know how when
you take turns and stuff like that, people kind of
collide in the back seat, you know, if they're not
wearing a seat belt or what have you. And this
is how close we are when we're dealing with these
types of people. Okay, first off, you know, when we're
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thinking about a malignant narcissist, they are self important. They
are so important, they are more important than anybody else.
They have extreme arrogance. Okay, they are arrogant. They are superior.
You are not superior to them. You are this peon.
You are a peon to them. They think everybody's a peon,
and they are superior to you. And they're going to
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tell you that. They're going to tell you that in
every way. And the weird thing about it is for
many of you, if you have a malignant narcissist in
your life, I mean some of these people might have
a decent title. Some of them might be you know, lawyers, doctors, politics, politicians,
you know, what have you. But some of them don't
have much going on at all. Okay, but they're still
playing the same game. They're still arrogant and self important.
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No matter if they are not working at all, they
could be playing video games on the couch, they're still
they're still arrogant, and they still have this self important
righteousness of being better and superior and more important and
more educated and more everything than you are. They lack empathy. Now,
this is one of the biggest things that gets me,
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is that you can have is you can have depression,
you can have anxiety, you can have borderline personality disorder,
you can have various things in your life. But when
you don't have empathy for other people, that's a problem
with me. Okay, that's a problem because when somebody doesn't
have empathy for you, they don't care about you. Okay,
let's just get that straight. Without empathy, they don't care.
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You might think you've got something with somebody, but the
moment they can get something over on you, the moment
they can take you out, they will, they will and
they're happy about it. So I need you to really
start looking around and thinking about this. When you're thinking
about these characteristics that I'm bringing up in today's podcast,
you know, you might want to share this with a
buddy of yours, a friend of yours that's in a
really challenging relationship that starts sounding like this, or maybe
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a parent or family dynamic, or even a boss dynamic. Okay,
lack of empathy. They don't care about your feelings, they
don't care about your needs, they don't care about any
of that. It has nothing to do with them. It's
all about them what they need, and everybody else is
just a means to an end. Everybody else they only
take care of if they need something from you. And
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once they get whatever they get from you and they're
done with you, they will throw you away like trash.
That is the way it is. Or they'll string you along.
They'll string you along so that they can basically use
you as their supply and their minion for as long
as you will let them. They will hold you as
long as I can and suck the last blood out
of you. You know it, seriously, it's like a vampire.
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If they can keep their minions and their gruls around
as long as they possibly can, they will until they
kill them. And this is kind of the concept. And
I'm saying that Millennant narses murder people, but I'm saying,
you know, well, they could get very close as far
as mineline emotional abuse as well as physical abuse as well,
let's not you know, let's not take that out of
the ballpark as well. Manipulation. Yes, they are the creators
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of manipulation. They are the creators of exploitation. They are
the creators of doing this. They are great at it,
and they gain from doing it, and they get great
pleasure from play your buttons. And they get great pleasure
for making you feel bad and putting you down and
manipulating and triangulating and doing all these things and telling
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you all these things, and it doesn't come to pass.
I mean. And what I find is that a malignant
narcissist is a great future faker. Oooh, they are good
at future faking. They will tell you anything, anything to
get you to get along with them, to stay by
their side, to provide for them to do everything. Oh,
I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna do that, you know,
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I'm gonna be the president of the United States, I
believe it. You know, whatever it is that they're telling
you that they're gonna do that they have no intention
of doing. And that's one thing that you really need
to look at when you're dealing with any narcissists for
that matter, but definitely a malignant narcissist. They like to
play games with your head. They like to play a
game with your head and get you to believe a story.
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Then you then they future faked. Oh guess what when
when I when I'm this and I'm that, and I'm
this and I'm that and all this stuff, and you
start believing, and you start believing the high life and
all this stuff that you're gonna have. But there's you know,
they're not really wanting to do that at all. That
is just a way. That's a game that they're playing
in their own head to create the false reality to
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get you to be a part of this. And I
think part of it is they're so out of touch
with reality they actually believe some of these far fetched concepts.
They actually believe some of this. And because they do
all kinds of crazy stuff, I mean, like doing things
that are absolutely insane, and thinking it's okay, like it's
like that's not even part of reality, you know, it's
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like you got to really think about that. And they
will exploit you as well. So in the process of
using you, they will take advantage of you. They will
make fun of you, you know, they'll talk behind your back,
they'll do all kinds of stuff. And they're not friends
to anybody. So don't think that one person's getting something
over on you. They're taking advantage of every single person, okay,
So they can get everything they want and then take
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off or keep using you. If you want to keep
staying because you know they're not forcing you to stay,
you might be staying because you're trying to get them
to change or be better or understand who you are.
And in the process, I don't really think that they're
learning anything, and they don't plan on learning anything. It's
you that keep waiting for them to learn or to
wake up or to be more empathetic. So they also
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are very aggressive. Okay, they're very emotionally and verbally and
physically aggressive with other people. Now sometimes not so physical
because they don't want to go to jail or do
that kind of stuff, but they will behind closed doors,
emotionally and mentally beats you down, you know, sometimes to
the point where they will rant and rave for hours
on end, repeating themselves over and over again in the
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process of beating you down like mind control. This is
how it works. Okay, I know this sounds crazy, but
this is reality. This is what's really happening. If you
look in the news every day, you have some malignant
narcissists making some comment that if the average person did,
they would be behind bars or be buried under the jail.
And they still do it over and over again, no
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matter what they have done in their own life, no
matter how bad they've been, no matter how illegal they've done,
no matter what they've done to break the law, they
still comment about other people in ways that are unbelievable
that they have just the audacity to think they can
do this. Because remember, they are bigger than life. They
are arrogant. They will go to all extremes to preserve themselves,
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even no matter what it has to do, no matter
if it has to ruin you, if they have to
walk on people's heads and walk on people's bodies to
get what they want, they will. That's just the way
it is. And you know, it's sad. And some of
you are in relationships with these people. Some of you
are married to these people, and you keep coming up short,
you know, because it's like they can't. It's like you
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get beat down, you get beat down, you get beat down,
and then they give you a crumb, and then they
beat you down more, and then they give you a crumb,
and then you get beaten down more. And the mind
control is probably one of the toughest things, you know,
because many of you don't want to believe that this
person actually has a problem. You don't want to actually
accept the fact, you know that this is who you're
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dealing with, this is the type of person you're dealing with.
You don't want to accept the fact that this is
the person you're dealing with. And this is so sad,
And I understand it's hard because many of you might
have kids with these people, you know, long term relationships
with these people. But you know, think about it, come
to terms now before it gets even worse. They can
be they're kind of say this, and they lack remorse,
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and they enjoy causing pain to other people and they
don't have remorse for their actions. And I want you
to really think about that. Let that sit in for
a little bit. Let that sit in think about it,
because they don't have any remorse, and it shows and
their actions, it shows, and their statements and their comments
and what they do and what they don't do. You know,
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it's like, you know, I'm very self aware and I
care about how I treat other people, and it matters
to me, you know, being a friend, a family member.
I try to go the extra mile. I you know,
I do whatever I can. And it is interesting to
watch how some people don't do that at all. They
have no intention of doing that. And it's it's really
really all. It's really all about them, it really is.
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And you know, when you when you and see that's
the thing is that it's so all about them, and
they are so aggressive and they will come at you
at any level. But at the same time, these same
people are super paranoid. They're super paranoid. They're super suspicious
of other people. You know, any sort of perceived criticism
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not good, any sort of perceived anything. If you try
to tell them anything that's not good. If you try
to give them any sort of help or guidance as
far as hey, that's not right or whatever. They they
will fight you, they will make fun of you, they
will bring up anything and everything you've ever done. They
also think everybody's watching them. They think everybody's watching them.
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They think that they know they're paranoid. They think that
there's video cameras up everywhere and everybody's watching them. You know,
like who cares. I mean some of these people, you know,
you got nothing going on, Who really cares? Nobody's watching you?
Nobody and somebody. Yeah, some people are watching you, but
it's like, Okay, you might be in a public position,
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but otherwise, you know, probably not being watched. But you know,
you think about the whole paranoid is you know, suspicion.
It's like, I think a lot of that comes from
the fact that they do wrong to people. They're constantly
doing wrong, They're constantly hurting people, and so they're you know,
they're watching their back because you know what, in any moment,
they could get there, you know, they could get back
what they sew, you know, And and I think that's
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definitely what's happening here with these folks. They're definitely paranoid
and scared because they should be. They're constantly doing the
wrong thing and expecting you know, it's okay. I mean
they say crazy things, they do crazy things, and it's like,
you know, if somebody retaliates, oh, then they're they're they're
the jerk, they're the asshole. So if you retaliate, you know,
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and this is a form of abuse as well. I
do all this stuff to you, and then you retaliate,
and then I make an example of you and make
you feel bad about it. Okay, this is this is
a game, another game being played again by these types
of people. Now, the manipulation and the deceit. I mean,
they lie. They are skilled liars. They are good at it.
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They are great liars. They lie about every single thing. Okay,
don't think that that thing might not be a lie.
It's a lie, and it's probably a lie cooked up
in another lie, wrapped up in another lie, and wrapped
up in a riddle. I am not kidding you. I
know that that sounds extreme, but you know, this is
how these people operate. You know, you met them and
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they were lying to you. Right now, they're lying to you.
They don't even sometimes I even wonder if there's if
there's so much psychosis involved, you know, is there's so
much psychosis that they actually believe their lives. And I
know that they don't believe all of them. I know
that for a fact, because I think they get off online.
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I think they like the fact of, you know, of
of saying one thing and doing another and hooking somebody
on the hook believing this is going to happen. It
doesn't happen. They love that. They love that, and they
want to lie to you and manipulate you so they
can achieve their life goals that they want that they
want you to help them carry out. Okay, they want
you to help carry that out. You know, there's also
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that need for control and that need for power. They
are power people. They are power hungry. They want they
want power and dominance no matter what. And some of
these people that want power and dominance, yes, they're in
they're in the political limelight. They might be key lawyers.
You know, you might be seeing them on social media
all the time. But some of these people, yeah, I
mean they're they're they're not, but they're still acting like that.
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And not that it gives anybody the right, no matter
what your title is, to do that. But it's unbelievable.
What's happening here, and you know it's on both sides.
Let's not say that, oh oh well, you know, just
one side's okay and the other side is not. No,
I mean, this is constant, and some of these things,
I mean, if you look at it, I mean, some
of this stuff and a good example is and I
know that, you know, it's just it's it's just it's
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really kind of wacky what James Kobe recently did in
his social media, you know, comment about killing the president
and he thinks that's okay. He thinks that's okay everybody.
Everybody should be okay with that. And it's this lame excuse,
you know, used by these shells. I supposedly, you know,
put out four different you know numbers, you know that
had no meaning whatsoever. And I've never seen shells like
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that in my life, you know, just be able to
have four numbers spelled out at perfect you know, it
was it was it was you know, wonderful graphics and
you know, and then to say, oh, I didn't know
what it was. I didn't know what it was. It's
just this game. So it's like I'm basically saying I
want to kill this person. But then I'm going to
ask stupid about it, and I'm just gonna get away
with it. And that's what all these people do, if
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you think about it, this is the constant game. They
constantly gaslight you as well. So then I'm gonna put
this out, But then I'm gonna gaslight you when you
bring it up, and I'm gonna I'm gonna sit there
and turn it around. And it's like, I think everybody's
getting tired of this. I think people are getting tired
of because it's really insulting people's intelligence, but also just
insulting the fact that you know, we know this isn't
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a lie. We know that you didn't just come across this.
We know exactly that you knew exactly what it was,
and you knew exactly what you're planning to do. And
you don't have any remorse or anything. That is how
you feel, and you want to see that happen because
that's what you want. Now. I personally don't want to
see people dead. I don't know about you. This is
not my thing. I'm not over there hoping to kill
people or hoping to have somebody killed. But you see
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what I'm saying, This is the thought process of the
maligant narcissist slash sociopath. Right, who's okay with that? I
mean there's a ton of them. We can go through
the whole list, okay, of all these people, and you
know who I'm talking about, and it's constant. These people
are constant. They do all these wrongdoings, they make all
these illegal moves, they make all this money illegally, they
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do all these things illegally, right, and then they have
the audacity to tweet about it, to put out on x,
to do all this stuff, all this other stuff, calling
out other things when it's like you need to be quiet.
I mean, at some point you would think that these
people have some sort of concept of man, I got
away with murder and I need to be quiet. But
they don't because guess what, they're above it. They're above
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it because they fall into this malignant, narcissistic, sociopathic, anti
social behavior attitude that our society has been okay with
for a very long time. Why is this okay? Why
is this okay? And why do we give in to
these people? Why do we give into these people? I mean,
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these are goals and goblins and we're giving into their
stuff we're allowing their stuff in our lives, and it's
just unacceptable. It is unacceptable behavior. And I, for one,
I'm tired of having these people in our society. I mean,
and I'm tired of interacting with these types of people.
And I'm tired of these people taking over. And you know,
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it's sad that we don't have, you know, places where
these people can go large masters of malignant narcissists to
go to go get treatment. But see the other side
of the coin is a lot of these people either
have money, or they plan on never going, or they
don't want to listen to other people, or they don't
have the problem. And then the other side of the
coin too is you have so many people that accept
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this type of attitude. They accept this type of attitude,
and they accept this type of behavior and they continue
to stick with it even when it's painful and disgusting.
And so they always have somebody there in their corner
that they can beat up. And that's a huge problem.
And so if they were alone on their own, maybe
their paranoia would take over, but they still have somebody
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to basically suck the life out of, because if they
were really on their own and they had to do
everything on their own, and they didn't have any support system.
Even if it's support system, that's you know, you're supporting
them and you're doing everything. I mean, what do they
have And if they don't have any followers and they
don't have any people that are in agreement with them,
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then you know, it could be a very different story.
And I think that's something to really talk about right now,
is how do we deal with these folks? How do
we overcome these types of relationships? What do we do?
How do we get out of these things? I need
you to first see that you're in it and admit it.
And one of the first steps that you have to
take is that is saying is you have to finally
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accept that this person is not going to change and
wake up. They're not going to wake up and realize,
oh my god, I'm an EmPATH and oh my god,
I love humanity, and I love this person that I'm
with and I care deeply and all this stuff. We
have to come to terms with the fact that it's
not going to get better, and we have to come
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to the terms with, you know, speaking our truth to
a degree and then seeing how we are probably in
a cycle pattern because of a previous relationship or a
parental dynamic or a family dynamic. We're in a pattern
of accepting these types of toxic people around us and
trying to be there for them or caretake for them.
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Maybe we've always been the caretaker, and that's what you've
always done. You've always been the caretaker, always the caretaker,
and that's how you got attention, or that's how you
got your mom to look at you or listen to
your dad even you know, acknowledge your existence. Maybe you've
always been trying to prove yourself. You've been the golden
child and the family. Or maybe no, not the golden child.
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Maybe you're the black sheep of the family, and you're
trying to prove yourself, you know what I mean. Like,
it's interesting how the golden child and the black sheep
can shift as well. But I know that many of
you might have been the black sheep. You might still
be the black sheep. You might still feel like the
black sheep, but you might have done so much in
the family and done so many good things, but it
still doesn't matter because your older brother or younger sister
can do no wrong. You know, they can walk on water,
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you know, even though they don't even hold down a
job and they're still living with your parents. Right, So
we got to accept the fact that we might have
learned our behavior of accepting this horrible, horrible, terrible behavior
because of our family dynamic. Even maybe some of you
might have been in a previous marriage where you accepted
this type of behavior. But I think it goes back
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to family. I think it goes back to family dynamic.
I think it goes back to trying to prove ourselves,
to trying to prove our value, because otherwise, when you
look at these people intrinsically for who they really are,
they're crap. And all they're doing is lying in future,
faking you to make you believe something that many of
them have these great stories, you know, oh you're gonna
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do this and that and all this stuff, and it
never comes to pass, None of it comes to fruition,
none of it happens. It's all bs, and they're you
are waiting for something to happen and it doesn't happen.
And sometimes they're lying to us and they're selling us
this bill of goods. But sometimes we're also just lying
to ourselves. Right, Sometimes we're lying to ourselves like this
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is gonna get better. It's gonna get better. They're gonna change,
you know, They're gonna wake up one day and see
my value, or they're gonna wake up one day and realize,
you know, or maybe I'm gonna make this comment to
them and they're gonna wake up. And I want that
to happen so bad too. It's not that I'm not saying, oh,
I wish people. I'm not saying that I don't want
them to wake up. That's not what I'm saying. I
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just don't. I don't think they will, because remember, it
takes more than just words. It takes them to realize
that they have a problem. It takes them to recognize
that they have a deficiency. It takes them to change
their entire mental mindset from being this amazing person that
can do no wrong, that can shit on people and
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do whatever they want to do, and it's okay, it's permissible,
not by you, but they are allowed to do it
because they're above you. They're better than you, Right, that's
how they feel. They actually think that. I'm not just
saying that. That's what they think, and they probably tell
you too, and you go, oh, don't say that you're
being mean. No, but I'm sure that they do tell
you how they really feel a lot, which is pretty
pretty awful stuff. And so if you're dealing with somebody
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that has these signs and symptoms and they're constantly taking
it out on you, you've got to sit back and realize
this is a trauma bond. You are in a trauma bond.
This is a very negative situation to be in, and
you need to figure out how to safeguard yourself and
how to figure out how to get your finances together
or whatever, to get your stuff together to get out. Okay,
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And I know that some of you go, well, what
if they end up meeting someone else and all this stuff,
and how is it going to go. They are not
going to change. The only thing different if they meet
someone else is they're going to take it out on
that other person. Okay, it's not all of a sudden,
You're no longer you know enemy number one, Target number one.
This person is now the target, this person is now
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dealing with everything, is now the one that they go
to that they beat up on. That's how this works
a to be. So it's not like they wake up
and have some sort of like angelic epiphany, the spiritual awareness,
and they're like, oh my God, I finally realize what's
going on in my life. I finally realize about the
heavens and the spirit and God and where we're here
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and what we're doing here. No, no, no, no, And
I would really like it to happen, but many of
you need to get your house in order. You need
to figure out what matters most to you. You need
to safeguard your mental and emotional and physical well being,
and then you need to figure out how are you
going to get through this, how are you going to
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move on? And then and then the real work starts,
because then we have to repair You've been, you know,
taking advantage of and abuse for a long period of time,
and now we have to repair you. And that's what
I specialize in, is overcoming you know, narcissistic abuse, overcoming
you know, the coupling of multiple cluster b dynamics and
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the abuse that they're overcoming that and being able to
recognize and figure out who we are really create for
the first time our true identity, because if we really
had a true solid identity, we wouldn't accept this type
of behavior in our life. We wouldn't. You just wouldn't, okay,
because you would really see it, and you would have
so much respect for yourself that you would just end
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this this thing over here, okay. And so that's what
I help people do is get that respect for themselves.
Figure out where, you know, what the deficiencies are. We
figure out our blueprint, We create our architectural blueprint of
who we are, and then we fill it all in
and we build the house. We build you up. We
build that up so it's solid and somebody can't take
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it down. And I know that many of you go, well,
I'm still holding out. But if you're still holding out,
and you know, and it's been a while, you got
to really realize you holding out is just holding yourself down.
Because remember, if they're coming from the perspective of the
malignant narcissists, you are a means to an end. And
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I hate to say that, but you are, okay, And
so begin to start, you know, circling the wagons, you know,
Contacting family you haven't been in content if they're helpful,
healthy family members, Contacting friends that are helpful, healthy friends.
Start figuring out a plan. You know, some of you
might not you know, it might not be a problem
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with you financially. Maybe you're the financial breadwinner and it's
time to get out. Maybe some of you are going
to be affected financially quite a bit if you in
this relationship, and that means that we need to figure out.
And I know that might have been a reason why
you've stayed in it as long as you have, and
I feel for you and I understand that, and I
get it, and I'm not making light of that. I'm not.
But you have to think about yourself and you have
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to think about your soul and if you have to
move in with a friend, or you got to move
back in with family who's healthy, or you got to
you know, get an apartment and not live in that
big house. I mean, what matters most your health and
sanity or the size of the house, And you got
to start thinking about that. What matters most your health
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and sanity, your clarity, your truth or that. And I
think a lot of people right now, at this time
in life, are weighing the situation out And I get it,
and I don't take any of this lightly. I don't.
I'm here for you if you'd like to come work
with me. You can. You can go to my website
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at any time go to Ashleyberges dot com Ashleyburgess dot com.
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going through a relationship like this, we have to examine it, honestly,
see seek our truth, figure out how to make ourselves
better because pain and suffering on a daily basis is
not going to help your sanity, your spirituality, and your clarity.
It's going to take away from that. And I'm just
here to help you. Trying to focus on the things
that matter in your life, trying to focus on helping
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you soon and the Astley Burdish show me Ashley burg
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this time in three shakes.