January 28, 2024 • 57 mins
Dale Kaczmarek is a renowned paranormal investigator and writer known for his contributions to the field of ghost research. His passion for the supernatural and his dedication to uncovering the truth behind alleged haunted locations have made him a prominent figure in the paranormal community. Kaczmarek has conducted extensive investigations at various haunted sites and has written extensively about his findings. His books and articles provide valuable insights into the world of ghosts, spirits, and the unexplained, making him a trusted source among enthusiasts and researchers alike. Kaczmarek's work has not only shed light on paranormal phenomena but has also inspired others to delve deeper into the mysteries of the supernatural.
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Oh hnry. Welcome to the exZone, a place where fact is fiction
and fiction is reality. Now here'syour host, Robertconnell. You do in
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that thing YouTube, breaking my heartinto a million pieces like you always do,
and you don't need to be coolin the east. Abound the body,
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I answers the child Chi, itgets you. Thet's you again,
time and welcome to another edition ofthe ex Soon everyone, I am Rob
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McConnell, and for the next hourI'm your host and your guide as together
we will cross the time space continuumto this place that I call the X
Zone. It's a place for peopledear to believe and dear to be heard.
It's a place where fact is fictionand fiction is reality. And the
Xzone comes to Monday through Friday ateleven pm Eastern right here on your hometown
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radio Classic twelve twenty and streamed aroundthe world on a Classic twelve twenty dot
CA. My guest this hour exonationis Dale Cosmerica and he is an investigator
and president of the Ghost Research Societysince his founding in nineteen seventy seven.
And darnathect cold is still with metonight. By the way, thank you
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all, for your your kind suggestions, as well as some very strange and
weird concoctions. But I'll stick toBuckley's for now anyway. Okay, As
I was talking about our guest athour deal, Chasmeric, Like I said,
he's the president of the Ghost ResearchSociety since it's founding in nineteen seventy
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seven and author of a number ofbooks. He's joining me now from I
believe it as Woodlawn, Oaklawn,Illinois. The website is Ghostresearch Dot orgin
Dale. Welcome to the x ownand I apologize from my raspy voice and
Mike cold tonight. Oh that's okay. I'm always glad to be on the
show. So let me see.How is Halloween for you guys? This
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year as busy as usual, Ibelieve it or not. Because of the
weather over here, it was notquite as busy as normally it is.
I was able to do some investigatingthroughout October, and we still have a
couple little things we have kind ofon the black burner, sort of speak
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before our twenty twenty three is overwith. Now, before we went on
there, you were telling me thatyou went over to England and Scotland.
Did you do any paranormal investigating whileyou were over there. Oh. Absolutely.
There were several very interesting places thatwe went to. One called Langenhoe
Church. It's basically just an emptyfield. Now they have a sign,
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you know, commemorating where this buildingedifice used to be. And well,
we were using some what I callreal time devices. In other words,
when we ask a question, wesometimes will get a response that makes sense
in direct response to our question,and we were we asked a couple of
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uh, just ballpark questions, likeyou you know, how much of the
church is left here? And thereis none basically, but the response was
zero, and I go, well, that's pretty interesting, because you know
it was it was telling us thatthere was nothing left to the church.
We had went to a place calledBramberg Castle. Again, a lot of
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these are kind of ruined locations thatuh there's just bits and pieces of the
of the of the building left anduh, we got some very interesting things
that happened when we were there.We we didn't see anything per se,
we didn't really photograph anything, butwe were able to get some a few
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responses that I believe were intelligent responsesmore so than residual and and were these
e vps, Yes, they were. Uh. E v P seems to
be, at least in the wayI look at it now, because I've
been doing paranormal for so long,is probably the easier way to communicate with
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spirits, I mean, or atleast to get an inkling that there may
be something there. When I startedback in the nineteen seventies, we didn't
have a lot of these devices toinvestigate with me. We were just walking
around with you with a thirty fivemillimeters camera and a cassette tape recorder and
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our EMF device was a compass.So you can see how far we've come
since that time. And a lotof the initial things that I got back
in the seventies were on film.We got we were shooting the black and
white high speed and for red filmat the time. We were able to
capture a several shadowy figures that werenot visible to the naked eye but did
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later come up on the film,and very little as far as any EVPs,
which I kind of found that tobe interesting because now it's kind of
the flip side of the coin.We seem to get more audio than we
do video, or are still picturesthat is very interesting and and dale for
the listeners who may not have hadthe opportunity of hearing you the last time
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you were with us. How didyou become interested in the paranormal? Well,
basically, it was a kind ofI always want to say, I
kind of blame my parents and grandparentsfor this, because they always told me
kind of spooky stories when I wasa youngster. I was starting as as
early as you know, you know, six and seven years old. I
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remember my grandparents who came from Poland. I told me some interesting stories out
there about a bridge that people wouldcome across and they would see a lady
thing at the edge of the bridge, and the lady would say something and
it was usually a gentleman again thatalways kind of approached this, uh,
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this this apparition, if you will, And they said they music somehow for
them to cross over the bridge withthem, but they couldn't. They couldn't
walk over. They had to becarried across. And so they carry this
what they always a real person acrossthe bridge, set it down, turned
around, and that person's gone completely. And I found that to be a
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very interesting story because it kind ofkind of ties in a little bit with
you know the legend of Sleepy Hollow, and yeah about Crane where the ghosts
cran't cross the water, but inthis case it was helped across the water.
But now I've discovered, especially inthe Chicago land area, as a
couple of the books I've written aboutWhen You See the Ghost, that a
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lot of these locations and not herejust here in Chicago, around the country,
around the world, seemed to benear running water. So it seems
like the water kind of activates,if you will, or gives the ghost
some sort of energy. The naturalflow of running water seems to be something
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that energizes them or helps them beable to communicate, either through edps or
visual or audio or something of thatnature. So the water acts as a
conduit. Absolutely, yes, Ibelieve it is not only that, but
in some cases limestone. We havea lot of buildings here in Chicago that
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are old buildings that are built oflimestone, and for some reason, more
buildings than not that have been builtof limestone have some sort of activity in
the past in some cases both thewater and the limestone. There's a place
we did our conference this year,which is a distillery, and there was
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a haunted underground artesian well and thewell obviously it runs twenty four to seven
great tasting spring water, but thewhole vault is of limestone, and there's
been a lot of activity in thatunderground artesian well. Has there been any
scientific research done as to the thethe actual cause when it comes to the
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limestone and the running water being theconduit for the paranormal No. And like
I say, a lot of scientistswhen you get into the scientific community,
and sometimes a lot of scientists don'treally believe so much in the field that
we're doing. Scientists very often wouldlike to have things that they can be
replicated under laboratory conditions, and ghostsare a very spontaneous thing. But I
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have surmised especially with the limestone,and limestone is sedimentary rock. It was
it was put down layer upon layerof of of this very thin sedimentary sedimentary
rock, and in some cases ittrapped and killed a lot of animals a
lot of that's where you get alot of fossils, and so we're coming
from there. So so maybe that'ssomething that you know, I mean,
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even though that those those little animals, I mean, do they actually have
a soul that survive like we do. I mean, it's it's a one
hundred thousand dollars question. But Ithink between that and just this this flow
of natural running water, I mean, it just it just seems to appear
over and over again in the storiesand the investigations that we've done that there's
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always something nearby underground water, runningwater, a stream, a lake or
something. I understand that lay linescould possibly play a significant part in ghosts,
hauntings and spirit communication. Oh absolutely. When I was in England,
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you know, in late late springof this year, we visited a lot
of different locations that are right alonglay lines, places like stonehenge from other
places that in some cases they willconnect with other stone circles, or some
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cases some old ancient buildings or cathedralsor mosque or abbeys and things of that
nature that seem to you know,I'm a great, you know proponent that
this actually has something to do withthat activity, because if you draw the
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lines and just literally straight lines acrossthe UK, and not only that,
around the world, you'll come acrossa lot of places that seem to be
extremely haunted and there seems to besome sort of you know, maybe they
would call it chi or some energythat basically is in the the the Earth
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itself, or maybe the magnetic fieldsabove the Earth that seem to connect these
different locations. And it's fascinating.I've read a number of books on it
by some authors that really came downto earth and explained what how they believe
that this happens. And like Isaid, I truly believe that there's something
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to that. Other aspects of theparanormal, including UFO sightings et encounters,
are also being more and more reportednear water as well. Yes, yeah,
absolutely, you know, I meanI do have a number of books
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in my library. See, I'mjust not a ghost investigator. I really
kind of get into a lot ofdifferent things that are kind of paranormal unexplained.
And you know, UFOs has alwaysbeen something that always fascinated me as
well. Uh, you know,there was a lot of a lot of
UFO sidings here in the Chicagoland area, including ones that were reported these these
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UFOs reported over O'Hare Airport, youknow, some major airport here in Chicago,
and that's very close to in factthat there are rivers that go past
within you know nothing, you know, and there's under water as well that
are very close to a hair airport. And you know, I mean some
of the the other very famous sightings, A lot of them don't come to
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mind right now, but I haveread some of these materials that again they
were when you when you later researchthese particular cases, they work very close
to running water, if not rightnext to running water. So again,
UFOs, I mean, are theyextra when are you talking about? Are
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they extraterrestrial or they simply what itis, an unidentified flying object or if
they call it out a UAP.Dale's stand by you and I have to
take our first break in De ExtonNation. Del Kas America is our special
guests this hour. Ghostresearch dot Orgis his website, and you're listening to
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here from Saint Catherine's, Ontario,Canada, and around the world. We'll
be back on the other side ofthis very short break as the X zone
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Caltar, Canada's leading a mentalist fromToronto, Ontario. Hi, my name
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This is Psychic Dorothy from Saint Catharinesand you're listening to Rob McConnell. Hello,
my name is Holly Reeves, anastrologer from Astro for you, and
you're listening to Canada's number one paranormalradio show, The X Zone with Rob
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mcconnald. Welcome to the X Zone, a place where fact is fiction and
fiction is reality. Now here's yourhost, Rob McConnell. If we can't
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solve any problems, why don't welose so many? Ah? So are
you going when the leading man tojale Chasmerica is my special guest. That's
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our exhonation www dot ghost Research Dorg. And before we get back to Paul,
I would just like to remind everyonethat you're listening to us on hometown
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chronicles dot Net. Before we wentto the break, we were talking about
the connection between water and paranormal daleand Chicago is on the shores of Lake
Michigan, right, and isn't thatpart of the Great Lakes Triangle it is.
That's another interesting phenomenon because again wewere also kind of talking about lay
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lines, how they intersect. Imean, these lay lines also do connect
with places like the Bermuda Trio,the Great Lakes Triangle, the Devil's Trile,
there's another one off the coast ofJapan, and so forth. So,
uh, you have kind of whatI call like a double whammy.
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You have the ley lines number one, and then you have these bodies of
water which you know, they youknow, they don't flow like a river,
but there are tides and they come, they wash it and they wash
out. So there's a movement ofwater all the time. And you know,
the Chicago area has it has alot of difference. Uh, you
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got the Chicago River, you gotthe Illinois River, you got the des
Plains River, you got small tributariesand so forth that come, you know,
and wind its way all the waydown to the Mississippi River. So
you have these these intersecting areas ofwater, and sometimes you have them also
where lay lines intersect too, soyou have the natural flow of this running
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water, and you may have thisnatural energy whatever it is where I'm exactly
sure of these lay lines that alsoplay a part. By the way,
Dale, I want to congratulate youon the Lifetime Achievement Award for your work
in the paranormal field that you recentlyreceived fifty years Congratulations my friend. Uh
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yeah, that was a tank youso much. That was a bit of
a shocker myself. I was actuallyat a presentation I was doing in Rockford,
Illinois, which is northwest of Chicago, and I was the keynote speaker
for this event, and out ofthe clear blue sky, they called me
up to the to the to thepodium up there in the front of the
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audience. I go. I'm thinking, well, what's going on because it's
not my time to talk yet,right, So I get up there and
all of a sudden they unveil thisvery nice plaque for the fifty year Lifetime
Achievement Award of the Paranormal And youknow, they say, you want to
make a comment or say something aboutit, and usually I am not at
a loss of words at all.I could talk literally the pans off somebody
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if I really wanted to, butat that time I was really kind of
a loss of wards and I wasa little, a little tearful, believe
it enough to say the least.There were a couple of people that were
in charge of the event and theysaid, get off the stage before you
make us all start to cry something. So yeah, that was a great
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That was a great honor, andyou know it's hanging in my office now.
Is something I'm very proud of,and you know, I hope to
continue this for many years to come. Well, that is an award well
deserved. I've known you for nearlythirty years and you're one of the hardest
working people when it comes to theinvestigation into the paranormal that I know.
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So congratulations again, thank you somuch, my friend. What has been
the most frightening paranormal event that youyourself was part of. Well again,
I'll press just just by saying thatusually, first of all, not fearful
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when I go into locations that researchthere really well, so I kind of
know what to expect, but sometimesthe unexpected happens. Things that happened that
you don't expect. And I can'treally say that I've had a frightening experience,
but I've had something that has reallyraised the shackles, you know,
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got your hair standing up in theback of your neck, on your arms,
and so forth. And this wasone that I had had a number
of years ago when I was investigatingtrans allegating lunatic asylum in West and West
Virginia. It's a huge two hundredand fifty six thousand square foot building,
wow. And we were in anarea by some isolation cells where they sometimes
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put unruly patients. It's kind oflike a rubber room, they would call
it today. And there had beena report, and this had been told
to me. We've been there severaltimes. Everyone told the story the same
way, that there was a patientback in time. Her name was Ruth,
and she didn't like anybody from theopposite sex, so she would throw
her tray, her food, shewould cuss, you'd you'd just carry on.
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And we were only about maybe thirtyfeet away from where she had been
seen a lot by these isolation cells. And then suddenly my left arm felt
that like had been dipped into icecold water. Had been put into a
freezer. I mean the goosebumps onthe one side, the hair standing up
on it, and I said,take a picture of that. I'm feeling
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something really, really weird. AndI was there with three female investigators,
so that's very important. They weren'texperiencing anything, and so I said,
take a picture of this, andyou know, I mean it's crazy.
It's the whole left side, kindof like when ice cold. And then
at that point something literally grabbed awhole of my buttocks. I mean I
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felt a nice cold hand literally,And we got this on videotape on our
website at goos research dot org.You can actually see that video at night
shot. And I right away askedwhat's going on here, and the females
are saying, we don't feel nodrafters, no drafters. The temperature remained
the same, and it was rightin this doorway to this one cell.
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I mean, we had an emaildevice which really didn't go off, and
I was kind of amazed that didn'tgo off. It just seemed to target
me because I was a male ratherthan a female and we working. So
I said, well, let's justsay you're a little bit while longer because
maybe something else is going to happen. So we continue doing an EEDP session
and we're using an ovelis. Wewere using it in dictionary mode. In
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dictionary mode, it allows the spiritsto form their own words, putting together
vowels and consonants to create words,and then put in those to create sentences.
So I just asked a simple question, do you want us to leave?
Or do you want me to leave? One word came out, you,
So I thought that was really kindof crazy. It wanted me to
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leave, So I said, okay. At that time, we decided just
to move on because a lot oftimes we were doing investigations, we seem
like, in some cases we kindof intrude, sort of speak on a
spirits domain, an area that theykind of you know, they like,
or they've been in for a while. So if we feel that that's happening,
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we just move on. And wedidn't move on because we were scared.
I mean, we would have lovedto stay there and continue on the
conversation, but we just got thisword that said you. Sometimes we'll say
do you want us to leave?Or do you want us to stay?
Sometimes it'll say stay. We've actuallyhad this come through stay or leave,
and if it ever says leave,we just leave because again we think we
might be in an area that isyou know that the spirit itself like claims
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or you know, they feel comfortablewith right and just kind of move on
to some other location. Why isit that some spirits remain? For example,
I've heard over the years many peopletalk about the Waverley and other asylums
that the spirits seem to enjoy theinteraction between the living on this side of
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the veil. One thing I doknow about you Dale and your organization is
you're very respectful. You don't goin there shouting and acting like a bunch
of amateurs. You're very professional.And I was wondering if this has something
to do with the reason why spiritswant to communicate with you, because of
the respect that you show towards them. Yeah, I think that has a
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lot to do with it. Imean, some of these TV shows and
I'm not going to mention any names, Okay, I get enough hate mail
as it is, but you knowsome of these TV shows and they provoke,
they go and they literally provoke.They they use profanities, they demean
the spirit which is there and that'stheir way of trying to elicit a response.
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We have discovered that if we're talking, say, for instance, we
are actually communicating with the with adiscarnet entity of some kind, that person
at one time lived, walked onthe face of the earth, so it's
a surviving personality, if you will. So if we go in and we're
just talking and we're giving the spirita voice, if you will, by
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using these real time devices, byasking appropriate questions, trying to see if
they have something they want to relateto us, we get a much better
response then going in and provoking andso forth. So I think if you
talk to the spirit like you wouldlike to be talked to, I think
is a better chance you'll get responsein a communication. It goes right back
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to respect absolutely. Yes, youmentioned a novelists. What is that?
A novelist is a device that wasput together by Bill Chappel from Digital Dowsing.
He's got a site digitaldowsing dot com. It's a very great site,
and he put together this device thatis a real time device. It has
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multiple modes in there. The twoones that we seem to use most often
is a dictionary mode, which hasabout four three hundred and some odd words
in there, very common to theEnglish language, and then what they call
a a phonetic mode. The phoneticmodes allows the spirits to form their own
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words. As I mentioned before,putting together a thousand consons. In the
dictionary mode, or in any modefor that for that matter, you would
turn the device on, you wouldask a question, and the idea is
that the spirits will hear the questionand they might pull out the appropriate word
to respond. Now, we doget a lot of odd words, but
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we've had some amazing stuff in thepast, especially in the phonetic mode,
which I think is more scientific becausenow you're not using the built in dictionary.
You're allowing the spirits to form theirown words, and we've had entire
sentences come out of there. Inone case in the hospital, it's said
literally get out of here, andthere's no mistaking what it's said. So
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this is a way to communicate withspirits, getting away from the old edp
sessions where you would ask a question, you'd leave some blank space, you'd
ask the question, you leave someblank space, and then later on when
you get home you'd listen to that. And in between in that blank space.
You might hear a word, butto me, that's not that's a
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one way communication. That's not atwo way communication. Dale. I hate
to do this, my friend.We've got to take our break. Please
stand by X Nation Dale Coasmeerrick's ourguest Ghostresearch dot org. You're listening to
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can always send me an email nowbrand new email address thanks to our good
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at Xzone at x Zone Radio TV. No wait a minute, that's x
Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the
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X Zone, a place where factis fiction and fiction is reality. Today
on the X Zone. Oswell Crashof nineteen forty seven. In July of
nineteen forty seven, something crashed nearthe small town of Roswell, New Mexico,
that something is believed to have beena flying saucer by millions of UFO
enthusiasts around the world, headed bynuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Now, Friedman
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has never seen any physical evidence ofthe alien craft or the remains of its
alien occupants, but bases his beliefon the stories that he has heard from
locals and townspeople alike. According tothe United States Air Force and other government
agencies, the Roswell incident was nota crashed alien ship. Freedman and his
followers insist to this very day thatthe governments of the world are covering up
the fact that the aliens are here, and that the denial of the UFO
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crash at Roswell, New Mexico isproof of this global government cover up.
Join me Rob McConnell for another storyfrom the world of the paranormal and the
science of parapsychology. When next wemeet in the ex zone, the place
where people dare to believe and dareto be heard. Welcome back, your
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dreams were your ticket, uh,Welcome back that same old place that you
laugh about. Well, the natsthey have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and thenthey've turned around Welcome back everyone has
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the John Sebastian said in the Oh, I used to love watching what was
what was that show called Welcome BackCarter. Yeah, that's when TV was
really kind of fun to watch.You didn't even mind the commercials way back
then, because I think there werewhat maybe two three channels if you didn't
have cable. Anyway, you're listeningto the X and Radio Show from the
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broadcast studios of the xone broadcast networkin Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
and you're listening to us in yourhometown radio Classic twelve twenty and streamed at
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this right X Zone at Classic twelvetwenty dot CA. It's it's a very
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unique situation here Xonation because thirty yearsago the X Zone actually started our radio
journey from the studios of twelve twentyBack then it was twelve twenty CHSC.
They were on Queenston Street here inSaint Catharines. And over the thirty years
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we traveled as most people do,going from one station to the next,
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here home in St. Catherines,Ontario, back on back on twelve twenty
that used to be CHSC twelve twentybut is now Classic twelve twenty on Lake
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Street, just across the street fromMaudievella Park. I guess is our Dale,
Casmerica is with us. He hasjust received a fifty year Lifetime Achievement
Award for his great work in theparanormal their website ghost research dot org.
What has been the most significant investigativeevidence that has been found when it comes
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to proving that ghosts are real?Well, first of all, congratulations on
thirty years here, thirty years,Okay, thanks buddy, I appreciate that.
But you know what my thirty yearswas. It seems like it just
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happened so fast. Over those thirtyyears, I've had the opportunity and privilege
of doing over four five hundred individualinterviews. Wow. Yeah, and many
with you, and uh, youknow, it's it's it's nice that even
after all these years, you andI can sit down and talk and there's
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been a learning curve like you weretalking about before the the new equipment that
you're being able to use. Wewent you went from analog cassettes to digital
when it comes to the e vpsas well as your video equipment has changed.
So I believe that you, asthe the person in charge of ghost
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research dot Org, are going tobe one of the organizations that finally get
the evidence that so many people whoare not in tune with what the paranormal
investigation community is doing. But JohnQ Public will be able to say,
I get it now and they won'tbe able to deny it anymore. That
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would be great. That's what I'mreally hoping for. We had we had
conducted an investigation a few weeks agoactually in a place called the Two Brothers
Roundhouse in Aurora, Illinois, andwe actually brought along there was a woman
who was doing a story on meand she wanted to tag along. And
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she was from WBBM Radio News Talkseventy eight, which is really big out
here. It's a big news youknow, Am. They also do it
on FM as well, and shewanted to come along with her with her
friend who was going to be,you know, shooting some some film out
there as well. And you know, we can never tell what's going to
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go on, and during an investigation, we can never tell that if people
tag along, are you going tohear anything or see anything. But in
this case, we were in theoldest section of the building and it was
completely to us. I mean,there was no other people there. We
literally heard and recorded some voices inthe background that were audible. These were
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disembodied voices. Also some foot footstepsand it sounded like a couple of times
crashes, as though somebody had justdropped the whole ten or twelve you know,
dinner plates on the ground, andit was It really kind of shook
us up because we all looked inthe same direction and we had the recorders
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going we had, you know,there are digital recorders. We had also
had our camcorders going. They hadso many night shot cameras. But you
know, in between all of this, we were looking at an area that
was a kind of like you wouldcall it like a dining room, and
they had a bar right there,like a cozy bar, and three of
us, on at least more thanone occasion, saw a shadow, shadowy
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figure behind the bar. In fact, the woman from WBBM saw it as
well, and so I go.That's kind of cool because now you know,
she can say that she actually sawand heard something that's unexplainable in real
time. As you mentioned, whatwhat's some what's some really good evidence I've
gotten to, you know, toexplain the paranormal. I think that was
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pretty cool, right what happened there. We've had other times that we have
set up cameras in a in aresort up in Zion, Illinois, which
is near the Wisconsin border. Andthis was a back uh a corridor which
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is really kind of off limits toanybody except you know, people that were
part of these the staff. Wehad special permission to go anywhere in the
building. So we had set uptwo cameras, two night night shot cameras,
literally back to back, piggyback,shooting down one side and down the
other side. We left them therewe went someplace else. When we came
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back later, you know, andwe you know, we retrieved that data.
We reviewed it the next couple ofdays. I was amazed to see
a semi transparent figure of a shadowthat came out of nowhere in the middle
of the hallway, which is agood maybe thirty feet away from the night
shot camera. Very clear that actuallycomes out of nowhere. You can see
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it kind of pause momentarily on thedoor jam going into the room, and
then it just flutters away, andI'm going like, wow, what was
that? Because there had been somany things that had happened in this building
in the past. There had beena gentleman who had died on the treadmill
in the exercise room. There hadbeen a person that had committed suicide on
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the beach. There was one ofthe I can't mention the room number because
they told me not to be partof the rooms where something happened up there.
There was some untimely death, soI think a lot of this.
In fact, the exercise room wasjust literally away from where the shadow came
out of, like maybe from maybethe exercise room into the hallway where we
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had the camera and then kind ofstop momentarily and passed into the other room,
and I go, that was reallyreally extraordinary. When you see moving
shadow figures, I mean you probablyhave seen pictures of shadow people on the
internet. I have some on mywebsite. It's one thing to see them
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and then photograph them, or notsee them in photograph them, but to
actually capture a moving shadow figure.That's really unexplainable. What did the lady
from the media say that was therecovering it up with her cameraman. Well,
she actually figured she was. Shewas doing a like a zoom session
interview with me, and then shekind of she took part of that and
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then incorporated with the investigation that shedid and she put her all together and
she posed to that whole segment outof there. Uh, she just said
that she saw something that she couldn'texplain, and there was nothing there.
I mean, we had no nolights. I mean this was down where
no cars could have went past andcreated a shadow. We had nobody,
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you know, in that area withThey didn't kind of a flashlight or anything
or anything like that. It wasjust a kind of a semi darkened area
that you could barely see with thenaked eye. Unfortunately, the camera was
not facing in that direction. Thatseems to be that I think spears in
some way they know that they werethat were trying to capture them on the
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video or audio, and they purposelydo things which aggravates me. Well,
the camera's not facing them, youknow, so we can't sometimes get that
that that tremendous video that we wouldhave we had we did shoot some full
spectrum images over there. We shotsome you know, regular digital film in
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that area, and it's kind ofinconclusive that anything was actually caught on the
camera because it may have been soshort lived. I'll be there for maybe
a few seconds by the time youget your camera up in your snap,
but the thing's already gone. Itseems that these shadow people are something relatively
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new within the paranormal community. Arethey an evolutionary jump when it comes to
ghosts and spirits? Well, theyare relatively new. I mean only goes
back I would say maybe ten orfifteen years at most, maybe not even
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quite that long. In fact,my very good friend Rosemary Ellen Guiley,
oh yeah, I'm sure you've hadon the show. We worked together for
more than thirty five years, andshe was a big proponent also of shadow
images. Some people, for somereason get have the connotation that shadow images
are something negative. Yeah, andI don't believe so. I believe that
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in some cases that is how theyjust simply wish to appear. Sometimes they
might have more energy, they mightshow up as a full bodied apparition.
Sometimes they show up as a asa shadow, sometimes as a fog or
a mist, sometimes as a strangelight. I think it has a lot
to do with the energies of thespirit and how they are able to manifest
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themselves to people, to be ableto be seen and in some cases photographs.
So I don't think that they're negative. I think again, I've seen
moving shadow figures several times. Intrans Allegaty Luntic Asylum, for instance,
we saw some and again the camerawas facing the wrong direction. So I
mean it got to the point thatnow we use multiple cameras and we face
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them in all different directions and wetry to capture these things that for some
reason see the camera. I thinkthey got intelligent. Yeah, I was
just thinking to them and they geton the other side of the camera like
haha, I'm over here. Nowyou and I have to take our final
break for this hour, and myfriend please stand buy in de exhonation.
I guess this hour is Dale Casmericwebsite ghost research dot org. And once
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again, Dale just received a fiftyyear Lifetime Achievement award for his work in
the paranormal field. And I cantell you from first hand experience that this
gentleman and his crew are the realMcCoy. So if you have a problem
and you're being haunted and you needto connect with someone who could who could
help you, and if they can't, they will certainly turn you in the
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right direction. Visit www dot ghostResearch dot org. This is the x
O and I am Rob McConnell.This is a place where people dared to
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But those dreams have remained and they'vebeen around. Merry Christmas, Rob O'Connell
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and crew. Lot a fine outthat you've got there. This is Dallson's
The Alien Hunter here in Houston inthe national state of Texas. My website
is Operation Aliendna dot com and OrthalienHunter dot org and you're welcome to visit
us there. I just want tosay that Rob, you've done an outstanding
gend. We're just one hundred percentbehind you. God bless all of you,
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and Merry Christmas to everybody, HappyNew Year. This is a alien
hunter signing off. I am nota free man, but neither am I
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chain. I am not a wiseman. Neither am I reraged. I
am not a new man, butneither am I I am not a rich
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man. And welcome back everyone.This is the Exxona and you're listening to
the x oona radio show being fromour broadcast center in studios in Saint Catherine's,
Ontario on Classic twelve twenty streaming atwww dot Classic twelve twenty dot ca.
Dale kasmiriks my special guest this hour. Dale is located in Oaklawn,
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Illinois, and their website www dotghost research dot org. Dale, you
and I were talking briefly before abouthow using respectful tones and speaking to the
spirits in a very respectful manner doesthat help you get the EVPs that you
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need it better is the chance ofgetting that, because again, you're talking
to somebody or someone who hasn't totallypassed over for whatever reason, untimely death
or whatever the case may be.And you know they in some cases want
to get a message across. Sometimesthey couldn't get a message across. And
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we've done some amazing stuff at placeswhere people have died. They are plane
crashes, civil war battlefields like that, where their life was taken so quickly
that they never had a chance tosay goodbye. And this is what I
believe is one way that we kindof open up the door for them to
allow them to get a message across. And in some cases we don't hear
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anymore from that particular spirit. Andwe've tried to go back to the same
site on the battlefield when we hadstuff in the past, and we just
don't get that kind of responses anymore. Maybe they that's all they wanted to
do was get a message across.So I think in our tone, I
think not only it's them hearing ourtone, but it's the inflection of our
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voices and the energy we produced.If we're provoking on one side or we're
talking respectfully, I think there's adistinct difference in the energy that comes out
because I believe, and there aresome other evp ters that also believe that.
You know, many of the VP'sthat people capture our within a few
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seconds after somebody has asked a question, and they believe as I do,
that the energy we expel to theenvironment, if you will, is somehow
captured very quickly and can be usedand kind of thrown back at us with
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an ev P. So I believethat you know these go ahead. These
these real time devices that we usesometimes also incorporate debt as well, because
now we're able to hear it inreal time and then we get it.
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We asked a question, we geta response, and now we can build
upon that to start a conversation,if you will. Uh. So that's
better than simply in the past askingquestions, leaving some blank space, et
cetera. So this is not likea one way communication anymore. It's like
it's being able to converse and doa conversation. We sometimes will do what's
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called the burst EDP session. Wewill record with a digital recorder for maybe
a minute or two minutes and thenquickly play that back here in real time.
And that would be like if peopledidn't don't have a real time device,
this is what you could do.You could do like a one minute
session, then play it back andthen you could you would hear your question,
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and then you would hear those ofthe response, and then you could
build uh start a second session andbegin to build on a conversation, and
so I often suggest that to peoplewho don't have the money to to buy
some of these devices, which insome cases are kind of expensive, but
they are produced commercially by a lotof very reputable ghost sites on the Internet.
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Something that that I've learned over themany years doing this show, Dale
is that people like yourself, You'reand other what I consider to be credible
paranormal investigation teams are responsible for keepinghistory alive. You're also historians, and
you bring the history, the storiesabout the location where you're doing your investigation.
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You keep it alive. And Idon't know if John Q Public realizes
the value besides the paranormal investigation thatyou people do, but also the historic
value and how you keep it alive. Yeah. I mean, I've always
said from day one that history andhauntings go hand in hand. You have
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to know the history of location tosee what may have precipitated a ghost story.
Was there an untimely death? Wasthere a murder? Was there an
Indian massacre? Was there a Civilwar site? Was there some type of
other untimely death? So by goingand researching the history of a location before
you actually investigated, you have apretty good idea then what happened there,
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And what we do is when weproduce our report, which eventually goes on
our website, so that all peoplecan go on and click on the website
anything we've done in the past,they will get a history lesson. Like
you said, there's a one ofthe first things after the location and where
it's that, there's a whole couplethree or four paragraphs can be longer that
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just says history before we even getinto the hauntings of what took place,
what transpired, you know, inthe whole history of that location, and
then we get later on, weget into the hauntings, and then we
go into the personal experience, andthen we get into evidence. So it
kind of lays out very nicely,you know, kind of how we do
our investigations. And there are textfiles on my website that people can can
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use sort of for their own templatesmore or less of how to conducting very
successful investigation. And if people kindof follow those simple guidelines that are also
in my book on ghost hunting techniques, we have a much better chance of
communicating with something. Chicago was avery crime riddled city. Have you done
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an investigation at the location of theSaint Valentine's Day massacre. We haven't actually
only because it's it's it's on aprivate little swath of a land right now.
Before they put up the fence andbefore they had this the Senior Center,
it was more accessible to the public. But you know, it's places
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like that, and there was obviously, you know, seven members of the
bugs Meranguang shot down very viciously,and there had been residual activity of their
People have been hearing gun shots,been hearing machine gun fire, been hearing
sobbing and moaning sounds coming from thearea. Dogs react very strengthly going past
the even canine patrols from the ChicgoPolice Departments are highly trained animals. They
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will kind of, you know,pull back and they'll whine, you know,
they'll they'll react to something, andanimals are very sensitive to that.
So that area, even though ithappened back in nineteen twenty nine, has
some residual activity. I believe it'sstill there. On the site. It's
very easy to figure out the sitebecause it's on the south end of a
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housing project at twenty two North Clark. There's five trees like the five spots
of a playing card at center treeswhere the north wall would have stood,
that's where they were lined up,and places like that, and there are
many in Chicago. One time medeath sometimes hold onto what we called place
memories. During your investigations, haveyou ever come across any people who deliberately
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tried to deceive you into believing thatthere was a paranormal event going on?
Actually, no, I've never actuallyhad somebody to do that, and there's
really no reason for that. There'snothing they would gain from that except to
try to try to pull the wollover our eyes to see if we can
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determine if it's real or hoaxed.But I think in most cases what happens
is when people have experiences, theydon't know what to do with them,
you know, they misinterpret what's happening, they jump to conclusions. So they're
not faking it. They simply justdon't know what's there. And what we
try to do is we go thereand they try to determine if there's something
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there, we can communicate with it, and in some cases if people wanted
to move on. We do workwith psychics and people that claim that they
can coax the spirit to move onto the other side by simply convincing that
they have died, they don't belongin this realm. What are some of
the common misconceptions people have about paranormalinvestigations, Dale, Well, you know,
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the most common is obviously when theywhen people watch these TV shows,
they think that that's how paranormal investigationis suppoth be run. Actually, in
some cases, paranormal investigations can bepretty boring. You might sit there for
hours sometimes and not get anything.Then you have to go through and review
hours of videotape and audio tape tosee if there's anything there. So it
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can be fun to do that andvery entertaining and sometimes eerie and creepy in
some cases. But then comes theyou know, the the the review,
the evidence that you have to gothrough. So you know, that's I
think that's what most people don't don'trealize. It takes a lot of time
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to go through that stuff to seeif you even got anything when you were
investigating. What steps do you taketo ensure the safety and well being of
everyone involved in a paranormal investigation.Well, first of all, we always
work in teams of two. Wedon't let anybody go anywhere by themselves,
even if they have to go tothe water room, we have somebody to
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go with them and stand by thedoor, because in some cases we're in
buildings that are very large. Ifyou go by yourself, you might fall
on a set of stairs. Youmight be missing for hours and hours be
laying there. We don't know whereyou're at. So we also employ everybody
has every group has two way radios, so if anything happens, you know,
they can also call back to thecommand center to one of us and
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we can figure out where they're at. We also make sure that it's well
we have a well laid out planof where we're going to go, and
you know people are going to bea certain area, so we know where
these people are pretty much to beginwith and they don't wander off too much.
So again it's also making sure peoplehave flash lights, they take care
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to watching where they step and theywalk. It's just simple safety things.
And also the teams of two alsohelp because you have an extra extra set
of eyes and ears in case somethingdoes happen, it's not just one person
seeing it, maybe both people wouldsee it because you have a partner with
you dale as always, whenever you'rewith us, time goes by so fast.
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Quickly. Let our listeners know howthey can find out more about you
and where they can buy your books. Sure, you can find all the
books available at www dot ghost researchdot org. If you buy them for
me rather than an Amazon you canget an autograph copy, which is kind
of nice. Yeah, and alsofind me on Facebook. I have a
Facebook page for my timeline and alsofor the GROST Research Society. You can
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also google that on Google. Youcan search for excuse me on Facebook and
find me there as well. Again, my friend, thanks very much for
joining us. Please don't be astranger, because you know what, I
believe that each and every one ofus hold a piece of this jigsaw puzzle
that we call the paranormal in ourpockets. And it's only by communicating and
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getting a cent around that big table, putting our pieces on the table and
working at you know, completing thepuzzle together, that one day we will
solve this, this very interesting puzzle. Thanks very much for joining us,
my pleasure. Thank you, Xonation. I'll be back tomorrow night at eleven
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o'clock is once again we cross thetime space continuum to this place that I
call the exxone. So until then, my friends, always remember to keep
your eyes to the sky and yourheart to the light. You're listening to
the xone radio show on Classic twelvetwenty, streamed around the world on Classic
twelve twenty dot CA. I'm RobMcConnell. Goodnight,
Oh hnry. Welcome to the exZone, a place where fact is fiction
and fiction is reality. Now here'syour host, Robertconnell. You do in
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that thing YouTube, breaking my heartinto a million pieces like you always do,
and you don't need to be coolin the east. Abound the body,
(00:55):
I answers the child Chi, itgets you. Thet's you again,
time and welcome to another edition ofthe ex Soon everyone, I am Rob
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McConnell, and for the next hourI'm your host and your guide as together
we will cross the time space continuumto this place that I call the X
Zone. It's a place for peopledear to believe and dear to be heard.
It's a place where fact is fictionand fiction is reality. And the
Xzone comes to Monday through Friday ateleven pm Eastern right here on your hometown
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radio Classic twelve twenty and streamed aroundthe world on a Classic twelve twenty dot
CA. My guest this hour exonationis Dale Cosmerica and he is an investigator
and president of the Ghost Research Societysince his founding in nineteen seventy seven.
And darnathect cold is still with metonight. By the way, thank you
(01:59):
all, for your your kind suggestions, as well as some very strange and
weird concoctions. But I'll stick toBuckley's for now anyway. Okay, As
I was talking about our guest athour deal, Chasmeric, Like I said,
he's the president of the Ghost ResearchSociety since it's founding in nineteen seventy
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seven and author of a number ofbooks. He's joining me now from I
believe it as Woodlawn, Oaklawn,Illinois. The website is Ghostresearch Dot orgin
Dale. Welcome to the x ownand I apologize from my raspy voice and
Mike cold tonight. Oh that's okay. I'm always glad to be on the
show. So let me see.How is Halloween for you guys? This
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year as busy as usual, Ibelieve it or not. Because of the
weather over here, it was notquite as busy as normally it is.
I was able to do some investigatingthroughout October, and we still have a
couple little things we have kind ofon the black burner, sort of speak
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before our twenty twenty three is overwith. Now, before we went on
there, you were telling me thatyou went over to England and Scotland.
Did you do any paranormal investigating whileyou were over there. Oh. Absolutely.
There were several very interesting places thatwe went to. One called Langenhoe
Church. It's basically just an emptyfield. Now they have a sign,
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you know, commemorating where this buildingedifice used to be. And well,
we were using some what I callreal time devices. In other words,
when we ask a question, wesometimes will get a response that makes sense
in direct response to our question,and we were we asked a couple of
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uh, just ballpark questions, likeyou you know, how much of the
church is left here? And thereis none basically, but the response was
zero, and I go, well, that's pretty interesting, because you know
it was it was telling us thatthere was nothing left to the church.
We had went to a place calledBramberg Castle. Again, a lot of
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these are kind of ruined locations thatuh there's just bits and pieces of the
of the of the building left anduh, we got some very interesting things
that happened when we were there.We we didn't see anything per se,
we didn't really photograph anything, butwe were able to get some a few
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responses that I believe were intelligent responsesmore so than residual and and were these
e vps, Yes, they were. Uh. E v P seems to
be, at least in the wayI look at it now, because I've
been doing paranormal for so long,is probably the easier way to communicate with
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spirits, I mean, or atleast to get an inkling that there may
be something there. When I startedback in the nineteen seventies, we didn't
have a lot of these devices toinvestigate with me. We were just walking
around with you with a thirty fivemillimeters camera and a cassette tape recorder and
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our EMF device was a compass.So you can see how far we've come
since that time. And a lotof the initial things that I got back
in the seventies were on film.We got we were shooting the black and
white high speed and for red filmat the time. We were able to
capture a several shadowy figures that werenot visible to the naked eye but did
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later come up on the film,and very little as far as any EVPs,
which I kind of found that tobe interesting because now it's kind of
the flip side of the coin.We seem to get more audio than we
do video, or are still picturesthat is very interesting and and dale for
the listeners who may not have hadthe opportunity of hearing you the last time
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you were with us. How didyou become interested in the paranormal? Well,
basically, it was a kind ofI always want to say, I
kind of blame my parents and grandparentsfor this, because they always told me
kind of spooky stories when I wasa youngster. I was starting as as
early as you know, you know, six and seven years old. I
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remember my grandparents who came from Poland. I told me some interesting stories out
there about a bridge that people wouldcome across and they would see a lady
thing at the edge of the bridge, and the lady would say something and
it was usually a gentleman again thatalways kind of approached this, uh,
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this this apparition, if you will, And they said they music somehow for
them to cross over the bridge withthem, but they couldn't. They couldn't
walk over. They had to becarried across. And so they carry this
what they always a real person acrossthe bridge, set it down, turned
around, and that person's gone completely. And I found that to be a
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very interesting story because it kind ofkind of ties in a little bit with
you know the legend of Sleepy Hollow, and yeah about Crane where the ghosts
cran't cross the water, but inthis case it was helped across the water.
But now I've discovered, especially inthe Chicago land area, as a
couple of the books I've written aboutWhen You See the Ghost, that a
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lot of these locations and not herejust here in Chicago, around the country,
around the world, seemed to benear running water. So it seems
like the water kind of activates,if you will, or gives the ghost
some sort of energy. The naturalflow of running water seems to be something
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that energizes them or helps them beable to communicate, either through edps or
visual or audio or something of thatnature. So the water acts as a
conduit. Absolutely, yes, Ibelieve it is not only that, but
in some cases limestone. We havea lot of buildings here in Chicago that
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are old buildings that are built oflimestone, and for some reason, more
buildings than not that have been builtof limestone have some sort of activity in
the past in some cases both thewater and the limestone. There's a place
we did our conference this year,which is a distillery, and there was
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a haunted underground artesian well and thewell obviously it runs twenty four to seven
great tasting spring water, but thewhole vault is of limestone, and there's
been a lot of activity in thatunderground artesian well. Has there been any
scientific research done as to the thethe actual cause when it comes to the
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limestone and the running water being theconduit for the paranormal No. And like
I say, a lot of scientistswhen you get into the scientific community,
and sometimes a lot of scientists don'treally believe so much in the field that
we're doing. Scientists very often wouldlike to have things that they can be
replicated under laboratory conditions, and ghostsare a very spontaneous thing. But I
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have surmised especially with the limestone,and limestone is sedimentary rock. It was
it was put down layer upon layerof of of this very thin sedimentary sedimentary
rock, and in some cases ittrapped and killed a lot of animals a
lot of that's where you get alot of fossils, and so we're coming
from there. So so maybe that'ssomething that you know, I mean,
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even though that those those little animals, I mean, do they actually have
a soul that survive like we do. I mean, it's it's a one
hundred thousand dollars question. But Ithink between that and just this this flow
of natural running water, I mean, it just it just seems to appear
over and over again in the storiesand the investigations that we've done that there's
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always something nearby underground water, runningwater, a stream, a lake or
something. I understand that lay linescould possibly play a significant part in ghosts,
hauntings and spirit communication. Oh absolutely. When I was in England,
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you know, in late late springof this year, we visited a lot
of different locations that are right alonglay lines, places like stonehenge from other
places that in some cases they willconnect with other stone circles, or some
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cases some old ancient buildings or cathedralsor mosque or abbeys and things of that
nature that seem to you know,I'm a great, you know proponent that
this actually has something to do withthat activity, because if you draw the
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lines and just literally straight lines acrossthe UK, and not only that,
around the world, you'll come acrossa lot of places that seem to be
extremely haunted and there seems to besome sort of you know, maybe they
would call it chi or some energythat basically is in the the the Earth
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itself, or maybe the magnetic fieldsabove the Earth that seem to connect these
different locations. And it's fascinating.I've read a number of books on it
by some authors that really came downto earth and explained what how they believe
that this happens. And like Isaid, I truly believe that there's something
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to that. Other aspects of theparanormal, including UFO sightings et encounters,
are also being more and more reportednear water as well. Yes, yeah,
absolutely, you know, I meanI do have a number of books
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in my library. See, I'mjust not a ghost investigator. I really
kind of get into a lot ofdifferent things that are kind of paranormal unexplained.
And you know, UFOs has alwaysbeen something that always fascinated me as
well. Uh, you know,there was a lot of a lot of
UFO sidings here in the Chicagoland area, including ones that were reported these these
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UFOs reported over O'Hare Airport, youknow, some major airport here in Chicago,
and that's very close to in factthat there are rivers that go past
within you know nothing, you know, and there's under water as well that
are very close to a hair airport. And you know, I mean some
of the the other very famous sightings, A lot of them don't come to
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mind right now, but I haveread some of these materials that again they
were when you when you later researchthese particular cases, they work very close
to running water, if not rightnext to running water. So again,
UFOs, I mean, are theyextra when are you talking about? Are
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they extraterrestrial or they simply what itis, an unidentified flying object or if
they call it out a UAP.Dale's stand by you and I have to
take our first break in De ExtonNation. Del Kas America is our special
guests this hour. Ghostresearch dot Orgis his website, and you're listening to
the ex On Radio show right hereon Classic twelve twenty and we're streaming around
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here from Saint Catherine's, Ontario,Canada, and around the world. We'll
be back on the other side ofthis very short break as the X zone
continues. Whatever you do, don'tgo away. Oh my name is Michael
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Caltar, Canada's leading a mentalist fromToronto, Ontario. Hi, my name
is Florida and you're listening to mydad, Rob McConnell on the xcone.
This is Psychic Dorothy from Saint Catharinesand you're listening to Rob McConnell. Hello,
my name is Holly Reeves, anastrologer from Astro for you, and
you're listening to Canada's number one paranormalradio show, The X Zone with Rob
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mcconnald. Welcome to the X Zone, a place where fact is fiction and
fiction is reality. Now here's yourhost, Rob McConnell. If we can't
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solve any problems, why don't welose so many? Ah? So are
you going when the leading man tojale Chasmerica is my special guest. That's
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our exhonation www dot ghost Research Dorg. And before we get back to Paul,
I would just like to remind everyonethat you're listening to us on hometown
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chronicles dot Net. Before we wentto the break, we were talking about
the connection between water and paranormal daleand Chicago is on the shores of Lake
Michigan, right, and isn't thatpart of the Great Lakes Triangle it is.
That's another interesting phenomenon because again wewere also kind of talking about lay
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lines, how they intersect. Imean, these lay lines also do connect
with places like the Bermuda Trio,the Great Lakes Triangle, the Devil's Trile,
there's another one off the coast ofJapan, and so forth. So,
uh, you have kind of whatI call like a double whammy.
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You have the ley lines number one, and then you have these bodies of
water which you know, they youknow, they don't flow like a river,
but there are tides and they come, they wash it and they wash
out. So there's a movement ofwater all the time. And you know,
the Chicago area has it has alot of difference. Uh, you
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got the Chicago River, you gotthe Illinois River, you got the des
Plains River, you got small tributariesand so forth that come, you know,
and wind its way all the waydown to the Mississippi River. So
you have these these intersecting areas ofwater, and sometimes you have them also
where lay lines intersect too, soyou have the natural flow of this running
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water, and you may have thisnatural energy whatever it is where I'm exactly
sure of these lay lines that alsoplay a part. By the way,
Dale, I want to congratulate youon the Lifetime Achievement Award for your work
in the paranormal field that you recentlyreceived fifty years Congratulations my friend. Uh
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yeah, that was a tank youso much. That was a bit of
a shocker myself. I was actuallyat a presentation I was doing in Rockford,
Illinois, which is northwest of Chicago, and I was the keynote speaker
for this event, and out ofthe clear blue sky, they called me
up to the to the to thepodium up there in the front of the
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audience. I go. I'm thinking, well, what's going on because it's
not my time to talk yet,right, So I get up there and
all of a sudden they unveil thisvery nice plaque for the fifty year Lifetime
Achievement Award of the Paranormal And youknow, they say, you want to
make a comment or say something aboutit, and usually I am not at
a loss of words at all.I could talk literally the pans off somebody
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if I really wanted to, butat that time I was really kind of
a loss of wards and I wasa little, a little tearful, believe
it enough to say the least.There were a couple of people that were
in charge of the event and theysaid, get off the stage before you
make us all start to cry something. So yeah, that was a great
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That was a great honor, andyou know it's hanging in my office now.
Is something I'm very proud of,and you know, I hope to
continue this for many years to come. Well, that is an award well
deserved. I've known you for nearlythirty years and you're one of the hardest
working people when it comes to theinvestigation into the paranormal that I know.
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So congratulations again, thank you somuch, my friend. What has been
the most frightening paranormal event that youyourself was part of. Well again,
I'll press just just by saying thatusually, first of all, not fearful
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when I go into locations that researchthere really well, so I kind of
know what to expect, but sometimesthe unexpected happens. Things that happened that
you don't expect. And I can'treally say that I've had a frightening experience,
but I've had something that has reallyraised the shackles, you know,
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got your hair standing up in theback of your neck, on your arms,
and so forth. And this wasone that I had had a number
of years ago when I was investigatingtrans allegating lunatic asylum in West and West
Virginia. It's a huge two hundredand fifty six thousand square foot building,
wow. And we were in anarea by some isolation cells where they sometimes
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put unruly patients. It's kind oflike a rubber room, they would call
it today. And there had beena report, and this had been told
to me. We've been there severaltimes. Everyone told the story the same
way, that there was a patientback in time. Her name was Ruth,
and she didn't like anybody from theopposite sex, so she would throw
her tray, her food, shewould cuss, you'd you'd just carry on.
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And we were only about maybe thirtyfeet away from where she had been
seen a lot by these isolation cells. And then suddenly my left arm felt
that like had been dipped into icecold water. Had been put into a
freezer. I mean the goosebumps onthe one side, the hair standing up
on it, and I said,take a picture of that. I'm feeling
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something really, really weird. AndI was there with three female investigators,
so that's very important. They weren'texperiencing anything, and so I said,
take a picture of this, andyou know, I mean it's crazy.
It's the whole left side, kindof like when ice cold. And then
at that point something literally grabbed awhole of my buttocks. I mean I
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felt a nice cold hand literally,And we got this on videotape on our
website at goos research dot org.You can actually see that video at night
shot. And I right away askedwhat's going on here, and the females
are saying, we don't feel nodrafters, no drafters. The temperature remained
the same, and it was rightin this doorway to this one cell.
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I mean, we had an emaildevice which really didn't go off, and
I was kind of amazed that didn'tgo off. It just seemed to target
me because I was a male ratherthan a female and we working. So
I said, well, let's justsay you're a little bit while longer because
maybe something else is going to happen. So we continue doing an EEDP session
and we're using an ovelis. Wewere using it in dictionary mode. In
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dictionary mode, it allows the spiritsto form their own words, putting together
vowels and consonants to create words,and then put in those to create sentences.
So I just asked a simple question, do you want us to leave?
Or do you want me to leave? One word came out, you,
So I thought that was really kindof crazy. It wanted me to
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leave, So I said, okay. At that time, we decided just
to move on because a lot oftimes we were doing investigations, we seem
like, in some cases we kindof intrude, sort of speak on a
spirits domain, an area that theykind of you know, they like,
or they've been in for a while. So if we feel that that's happening,
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we just move on. And wedidn't move on because we were scared.
I mean, we would have lovedto stay there and continue on the
conversation, but we just got thisword that said you. Sometimes we'll say
do you want us to leave?Or do you want us to stay?
Sometimes it'll say stay. We've actuallyhad this come through stay or leave,
and if it ever says leave,we just leave because again we think we
might be in an area that isyou know that the spirit itself like claims
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or you know, they feel comfortablewith right and just kind of move on
to some other location. Why isit that some spirits remain? For example,
I've heard over the years many peopletalk about the Waverley and other asylums
that the spirits seem to enjoy theinteraction between the living on this side of
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the veil. One thing I doknow about you Dale and your organization is
you're very respectful. You don't goin there shouting and acting like a bunch
of amateurs. You're very professional.And I was wondering if this has something
to do with the reason why spiritswant to communicate with you, because of
the respect that you show towards them. Yeah, I think that has a
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lot to do with it. Imean, some of these TV shows and
I'm not going to mention any names, Okay, I get enough hate mail
as it is, but you knowsome of these TV shows and they provoke,
they go and they literally provoke.They they use profanities, they demean
the spirit which is there and that'stheir way of trying to elicit a response.
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We have discovered that if we're talking, say, for instance, we
are actually communicating with the with adiscarnet entity of some kind, that person
at one time lived, walked onthe face of the earth, so it's
a surviving personality, if you will. So if we go in and we're
just talking and we're giving the spirita voice, if you will, by
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using these real time devices, byasking appropriate questions, trying to see if
they have something they want to relateto us, we get a much better
response then going in and provoking andso forth. So I think if you
talk to the spirit like you wouldlike to be talked to, I think
is a better chance you'll get responsein a communication. It goes right back
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to respect absolutely. Yes, youmentioned a novelists. What is that?
A novelist is a device that wasput together by Bill Chappel from Digital Dowsing.
He's got a site digitaldowsing dot com. It's a very great site,
and he put together this device thatis a real time device. It has
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multiple modes in there. The twoones that we seem to use most often
is a dictionary mode, which hasabout four three hundred and some odd words
in there, very common to theEnglish language, and then what they call
a a phonetic mode. The phoneticmodes allows the spirits to form their own
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words. As I mentioned before,putting together a thousand consons. In the
dictionary mode, or in any modefor that for that matter, you would
turn the device on, you wouldask a question, and the idea is
that the spirits will hear the questionand they might pull out the appropriate word
to respond. Now, we doget a lot of odd words, but
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we've had some amazing stuff in thepast, especially in the phonetic mode,
which I think is more scientific becausenow you're not using the built in dictionary.
You're allowing the spirits to form theirown words, and we've had entire
sentences come out of there. Inone case in the hospital, it's said
literally get out of here, andthere's no mistaking what it's said. So
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this is a way to communicate withspirits, getting away from the old edp
sessions where you would ask a question, you'd leave some blank space, you'd
ask the question, you leave someblank space, and then later on when
you get home you'd listen to that. And in between in that blank space.
You might hear a word, butto me, that's not that's a
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one way communication. That's not atwo way communication. Dale. I hate
to do this, my friend.We've got to take our break. Please
stand by X Nation Dale Coasmeerrick's ourguest Ghostresearch dot org. You're listening to
the Xzone Radio Show from the broadcaststudios of the X Zone Broadcast Network right
here in St. Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, on your hometown radio Classic
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at Xzone at x Zone Radio TV. No wait a minute, that's x
Zone at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to the
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X Zone, a place where factis fiction and fiction is reality. Today
on the X Zone. Oswell Crashof nineteen forty seven. In July of
nineteen forty seven, something crashed nearthe small town of Roswell, New Mexico,
that something is believed to have beena flying saucer by millions of UFO
enthusiasts around the world, headed bynuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Now, Friedman
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has never seen any physical evidence ofthe alien craft or the remains of its
alien occupants, but bases his beliefon the stories that he has heard from
locals and townspeople alike. According tothe United States Air Force and other government
agencies, the Roswell incident was nota crashed alien ship. Freedman and his
followers insist to this very day thatthe governments of the world are covering up
the fact that the aliens are here, and that the denial of the UFO
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crash at Roswell, New Mexico isproof of this global government cover up.
Join me Rob McConnell for another storyfrom the world of the paranormal and the
science of parapsychology. When next wemeet in the ex zone, the place
where people dare to believe and dareto be heard. Welcome back, your
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laugh about. Well, the natsthey have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and thenthey've turned around Welcome back everyone has
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what was that show called Welcome BackCarter. Yeah, that's when TV was
really kind of fun to watch.You didn't even mind the commercials way back
then, because I think there werewhat maybe two three channels if you didn't
have cable. Anyway, you're listeningto the X and Radio Show from the
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They were on Queenston Street here inSaint Catharines. And over the thirty years
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we traveled as most people do,going from one station to the next,
one market to the bigger market tothe bigger market, and then you get
onto the different networks. And herewe are, thirty years later, back
here home in St. Catherines,Ontario, back on back on twelve twenty
that used to be CHSC twelve twentybut is now Classic twelve twenty on Lake
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Street, just across the street fromMaudievella Park. I guess is our Dale,
Casmerica is with us. He hasjust received a fifty year Lifetime Achievement
Award for his great work in theparanormal their website ghost research dot org.
What has been the most significant investigativeevidence that has been found when it comes
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to proving that ghosts are real?Well, first of all, congratulations on
thirty years here, thirty years,Okay, thanks buddy, I appreciate that.
But you know what my thirty yearswas. It seems like it just
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happened so fast. Over those thirtyyears, I've had the opportunity and privilege
of doing over four five hundred individualinterviews. Wow. Yeah, and many
with you, and uh, youknow, it's it's it's nice that even
after all these years, you andI can sit down and talk and there's
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been a learning curve like you weretalking about before the the new equipment that
you're being able to use. Wewent you went from analog cassettes to digital
when it comes to the e vpsas well as your video equipment has changed.
So I believe that you, asthe the person in charge of ghost
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research dot Org, are going tobe one of the organizations that finally get
the evidence that so many people whoare not in tune with what the paranormal
investigation community is doing. But JohnQ Public will be able to say,
I get it now and they won'tbe able to deny it anymore. That
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would be great. That's what I'mreally hoping for. We had we had
conducted an investigation a few weeks agoactually in a place called the Two Brothers
Roundhouse in Aurora, Illinois, andwe actually brought along there was a woman
who was doing a story on meand she wanted to tag along. And
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she was from WBBM Radio News Talkseventy eight, which is really big out
here. It's a big news youknow, Am. They also do it
on FM as well, and shewanted to come along with her with her
friend who was going to be,you know, shooting some some film out
there as well. And you know, we can never tell what's going to
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go on, and during an investigation, we can never tell that if people
tag along, are you going tohear anything or see anything. But in
this case, we were in theoldest section of the building and it was
completely to us. I mean,there was no other people there. We
literally heard and recorded some voices inthe background that were audible. These were
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disembodied voices. Also some foot footstepsand it sounded like a couple of times
crashes, as though somebody had justdropped the whole ten or twelve you know,
dinner plates on the ground, andit was It really kind of shook
us up because we all looked inthe same direction and we had the recorders
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going we had, you know,there are digital recorders. We had also
had our camcorders going. They hadso many night shot cameras. But you
know, in between all of this, we were looking at an area that
was a kind of like you wouldcall it like a dining room, and
they had a bar right there,like a cozy bar, and three of
us, on at least more thanone occasion, saw a shadow, shadowy
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figure behind the bar. In fact, the woman from WBBM saw it as
well, and so I go.That's kind of cool because now you know,
she can say that she actually sawand heard something that's unexplainable in real
time. As you mentioned, whatwhat's some what's some really good evidence I've
gotten to, you know, toexplain the paranormal. I think that was
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pretty cool, right what happened there. We've had other times that we have
set up cameras in a in aresort up in Zion, Illinois, which
is near the Wisconsin border. Andthis was a back uh a corridor which
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is really kind of off limits toanybody except you know, people that were
part of these the staff. Wehad special permission to go anywhere in the
building. So we had set uptwo cameras, two night night shot cameras,
literally back to back, piggyback,shooting down one side and down the
other side. We left them therewe went someplace else. When we came
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back later, you know, andwe you know, we retrieved that data.
We reviewed it the next couple ofdays. I was amazed to see
a semi transparent figure of a shadowthat came out of nowhere in the middle
of the hallway, which is agood maybe thirty feet away from the night
shot camera. Very clear that actuallycomes out of nowhere. You can see
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it kind of pause momentarily on thedoor jam going into the room, and
then it just flutters away, andI'm going like, wow, what was
that? Because there had been somany things that had happened in this building
in the past. There had beena gentleman who had died on the treadmill
in the exercise room. There hadbeen a person that had committed suicide on
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the beach. There was one ofthe I can't mention the room number because
they told me not to be partof the rooms where something happened up there.
There was some untimely death, soI think a lot of this.
In fact, the exercise room wasjust literally away from where the shadow came
out of, like maybe from maybethe exercise room into the hallway where we
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had the camera and then kind ofstop momentarily and passed into the other room,
and I go, that was reallyreally extraordinary. When you see moving
shadow figures, I mean you probablyhave seen pictures of shadow people on the
internet. I have some on mywebsite. It's one thing to see them
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and then photograph them, or notsee them in photograph them, but to
actually capture a moving shadow figure.That's really unexplainable. What did the lady
from the media say that was therecovering it up with her cameraman. Well,
she actually figured she was. Shewas doing a like a zoom session
interview with me, and then shekind of she took part of that and
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then incorporated with the investigation that shedid and she put her all together and
she posed to that whole segment outof there. Uh, she just said
that she saw something that she couldn'texplain, and there was nothing there.
I mean, we had no nolights. I mean this was down where
no cars could have went past andcreated a shadow. We had nobody,
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you know, in that area withThey didn't kind of a flashlight or anything
or anything like that. It wasjust a kind of a semi darkened area
that you could barely see with thenaked eye. Unfortunately, the camera was
not facing in that direction. Thatseems to be that I think spears in
some way they know that they werethat were trying to capture them on the
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video or audio, and they purposelydo things which aggravates me. Well,
the camera's not facing them, youknow, so we can't sometimes get that
that that tremendous video that we wouldhave we had we did shoot some full
spectrum images over there. We shotsome you know, regular digital film in
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that area, and it's kind ofinconclusive that anything was actually caught on the
camera because it may have been soshort lived. I'll be there for maybe
a few seconds by the time youget your camera up in your snap,
but the thing's already gone. Itseems that these shadow people are something relatively
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new within the paranormal community. Arethey an evolutionary jump when it comes to
ghosts and spirits? Well, theyare relatively new. I mean only goes
back I would say maybe ten orfifteen years at most, maybe not even
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quite that long. In fact,my very good friend Rosemary Ellen Guiley,
oh yeah, I'm sure you've hadon the show. We worked together for
more than thirty five years, andshe was a big proponent also of shadow
images. Some people, for somereason get have the connotation that shadow images
are something negative. Yeah, andI don't believe so. I believe that
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in some cases that is how theyjust simply wish to appear. Sometimes they
might have more energy, they mightshow up as a full bodied apparition.
Sometimes they show up as a asa shadow, sometimes as a fog or
a mist, sometimes as a strangelight. I think it has a lot
to do with the energies of thespirit and how they are able to manifest
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themselves to people, to be ableto be seen and in some cases photographs.
So I don't think that they're negative. I think again, I've seen
moving shadow figures several times. Intrans Allegaty Luntic Asylum, for instance,
we saw some and again the camerawas facing the wrong direction. So I
mean it got to the point thatnow we use multiple cameras and we face
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them in all different directions and wetry to capture these things that for some
reason see the camera. I thinkthey got intelligent. Yeah, I was
just thinking to them and they geton the other side of the camera like
haha, I'm over here. Nowyou and I have to take our final
break for this hour, and myfriend please stand buy in de exhonation.
I guess this hour is Dale Casmericwebsite ghost research dot org. And once
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again, Dale just received a fiftyyear Lifetime Achievement award for his work in
the paranormal field. And I cantell you from first hand experience that this
gentleman and his crew are the realMcCoy. So if you have a problem
and you're being haunted and you needto connect with someone who could who could
help you, and if they can't, they will certainly turn you in the
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right direction. Visit www dot ghostResearch dot org. This is the x
O and I am Rob McConnell.This is a place where people dared to
believe and dare to be heard Mondaythrough Friday from eleven o'clock PM Eastern right
here where you say Saint Catherine's Ontario, the shores of Lake Ontario between Hamilton
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and Niagara Falls on Classic twelve twentywww dot Classic twelve twenty dot CA.
But those dreams have remained and they'vebeen around. Merry Christmas, Rob O'Connell
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and crew. Lot a fine outthat you've got there. This is Dallson's
The Alien Hunter here in Houston inthe national state of Texas. My website
is Operation Aliendna dot com and OrthalienHunter dot org and you're welcome to visit
us there. I just want tosay that Rob, you've done an outstanding
gend. We're just one hundred percentbehind you. God bless all of you,
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and Merry Christmas to everybody, HappyNew Year. This is a alien
hunter signing off. I am nota free man, but neither am I
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chain. I am not a wiseman. Neither am I reraged. I
am not a new man, butneither am I I am not a rich
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man. And welcome back everyone.This is the Exxona and you're listening to
the x oona radio show being fromour broadcast center in studios in Saint Catherine's,
Ontario on Classic twelve twenty streaming atwww dot Classic twelve twenty dot ca.
Dale kasmiriks my special guest this hour. Dale is located in Oaklawn,
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Illinois, and their website www dotghost research dot org. Dale, you
and I were talking briefly before abouthow using respectful tones and speaking to the
spirits in a very respectful manner doesthat help you get the EVPs that you
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need it better is the chance ofgetting that, because again, you're talking
to somebody or someone who hasn't totallypassed over for whatever reason, untimely death
or whatever the case may be.And you know they in some cases want
to get a message across. Sometimesthey couldn't get a message across. And
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we've done some amazing stuff at placeswhere people have died. They are plane
crashes, civil war battlefields like that, where their life was taken so quickly
that they never had a chance tosay goodbye. And this is what I
believe is one way that we kindof open up the door for them to
allow them to get a message across. And in some cases we don't hear
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anymore from that particular spirit. Andwe've tried to go back to the same
site on the battlefield when we hadstuff in the past, and we just
don't get that kind of responses anymore. Maybe they that's all they wanted to
do was get a message across.So I think in our tone, I
think not only it's them hearing ourtone, but it's the inflection of our
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voices and the energy we produced.If we're provoking on one side or we're
talking respectfully, I think there's adistinct difference in the energy that comes out
because I believe, and there aresome other evp ters that also believe that.
You know, many of the VP'sthat people capture our within a few
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seconds after somebody has asked a question, and they believe as I do,
that the energy we expel to theenvironment, if you will, is somehow
captured very quickly and can be usedand kind of thrown back at us with
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an ev P. So I believethat you know these go ahead. These
these real time devices that we usesometimes also incorporate debt as well, because
now we're able to hear it inreal time and then we get it.
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We asked a question, we geta response, and now we can build
upon that to start a conversation,if you will. Uh. So that's
better than simply in the past askingquestions, leaving some blank space, et
cetera. So this is not likea one way communication anymore. It's like
it's being able to converse and doa conversation. We sometimes will do what's
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called the burst EDP session. Wewill record with a digital recorder for maybe
a minute or two minutes and thenquickly play that back here in real time.
And that would be like if peopledidn't don't have a real time device,
this is what you could do.You could do like a one minute
session, then play it back andthen you could you would hear your question,
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and then you would hear those ofthe response, and then you could
build uh start a second session andbegin to build on a conversation, and
so I often suggest that to peoplewho don't have the money to to buy
some of these devices, which insome cases are kind of expensive, but
they are produced commercially by a lotof very reputable ghost sites on the Internet.
(48:52):
Something that that I've learned over themany years doing this show, Dale
is that people like yourself, You'reand other what I consider to be credible
paranormal investigation teams are responsible for keepinghistory alive. You're also historians, and
you bring the history, the storiesabout the location where you're doing your investigation.
(49:20):
You keep it alive. And Idon't know if John Q Public realizes
the value besides the paranormal investigation thatyou people do, but also the historic
value and how you keep it alive. Yeah. I mean, I've always
said from day one that history andhauntings go hand in hand. You have
(49:44):
to know the history of location tosee what may have precipitated a ghost story.
Was there an untimely death? Wasthere a murder? Was there an
Indian massacre? Was there a Civilwar site? Was there some type of
other untimely death? So by goingand researching the history of a location before
you actually investigated, you have apretty good idea then what happened there,
(50:08):
And what we do is when weproduce our report, which eventually goes on
our website, so that all peoplecan go on and click on the website
anything we've done in the past,they will get a history lesson. Like
you said, there's a one ofthe first things after the location and where
it's that, there's a whole couplethree or four paragraphs can be longer that
(50:30):
just says history before we even getinto the hauntings of what took place,
what transpired, you know, inthe whole history of that location, and
then we get later on, weget into the hauntings, and then we
go into the personal experience, andthen we get into evidence. So it
kind of lays out very nicely,you know, kind of how we do
our investigations. And there are textfiles on my website that people can can
(50:55):
use sort of for their own templatesmore or less of how to conducting very
successful investigation. And if people kindof follow those simple guidelines that are also
in my book on ghost hunting techniques, we have a much better chance of
communicating with something. Chicago was avery crime riddled city. Have you done
(51:20):
an investigation at the location of theSaint Valentine's Day massacre. We haven't actually
only because it's it's it's on aprivate little swath of a land right now.
Before they put up the fence andbefore they had this the Senior Center,
it was more accessible to the public. But you know, it's places
(51:44):
like that, and there was obviously, you know, seven members of the
bugs Meranguang shot down very viciously,and there had been residual activity of their
People have been hearing gun shots,been hearing machine gun fire, been hearing
sobbing and moaning sounds coming from thearea. Dogs react very strengthly going past
the even canine patrols from the ChicgoPolice Departments are highly trained animals. They
(52:06):
will kind of, you know,pull back and they'll whine, you know,
they'll they'll react to something, andanimals are very sensitive to that.
So that area, even though ithappened back in nineteen twenty nine, has
some residual activity. I believe it'sstill there. On the site. It's
very easy to figure out the sitebecause it's on the south end of a
(52:27):
housing project at twenty two North Clark. There's five trees like the five spots
of a playing card at center treeswhere the north wall would have stood,
that's where they were lined up,and places like that, and there are
many in Chicago. One time medeath sometimes hold onto what we called place
memories. During your investigations, haveyou ever come across any people who deliberately
(52:53):
tried to deceive you into believing thatthere was a paranormal event going on?
Actually, no, I've never actuallyhad somebody to do that, and there's
really no reason for that. There'snothing they would gain from that except to
try to try to pull the wollover our eyes to see if we can
(53:13):
determine if it's real or hoaxed.But I think in most cases what happens
is when people have experiences, theydon't know what to do with them,
you know, they misinterpret what's happening, they jump to conclusions. So they're
not faking it. They simply justdon't know what's there. And what we
try to do is we go thereand they try to determine if there's something
(53:35):
there, we can communicate with it, and in some cases if people wanted
to move on. We do workwith psychics and people that claim that they
can coax the spirit to move onto the other side by simply convincing that
they have died, they don't belongin this realm. What are some of
the common misconceptions people have about paranormalinvestigations, Dale, Well, you know,
(53:59):
the most common is obviously when theywhen people watch these TV shows,
they think that that's how paranormal investigationis suppoth be run. Actually, in
some cases, paranormal investigations can bepretty boring. You might sit there for
hours sometimes and not get anything.Then you have to go through and review
hours of videotape and audio tape tosee if there's anything there. So it
(54:21):
can be fun to do that andvery entertaining and sometimes eerie and creepy in
some cases. But then comes theyou know, the the the review,
the evidence that you have to gothrough. So you know, that's I
think that's what most people don't don'trealize. It takes a lot of time
(54:42):
to go through that stuff to seeif you even got anything when you were
investigating. What steps do you taketo ensure the safety and well being of
everyone involved in a paranormal investigation.Well, first of all, we always
work in teams of two. Wedon't let anybody go anywhere by themselves,
even if they have to go tothe water room, we have somebody to
(55:02):
go with them and stand by thedoor, because in some cases we're in
buildings that are very large. Ifyou go by yourself, you might fall
on a set of stairs. Youmight be missing for hours and hours be
laying there. We don't know whereyou're at. So we also employ everybody
has every group has two way radios, so if anything happens, you know,
they can also call back to thecommand center to one of us and
(55:24):
we can figure out where they're at. We also make sure that it's well
we have a well laid out planof where we're going to go, and
you know people are going to bea certain area, so we know where
these people are pretty much to beginwith and they don't wander off too much.
So again it's also making sure peoplehave flash lights, they take care
(55:47):
to watching where they step and theywalk. It's just simple safety things.
And also the teams of two alsohelp because you have an extra extra set
of eyes and ears in case somethingdoes happen, it's not just one person
seeing it, maybe both people wouldsee it because you have a partner with
you dale as always, whenever you'rewith us, time goes by so fast.
(56:09):
Quickly. Let our listeners know howthey can find out more about you
and where they can buy your books. Sure, you can find all the
books available at www dot ghost researchdot org. If you buy them for
me rather than an Amazon you canget an autograph copy, which is kind
of nice. Yeah, and alsofind me on Facebook. I have a
Facebook page for my timeline and alsofor the GROST Research Society. You can
(56:32):
also google that on Google. Youcan search for excuse me on Facebook and
find me there as well. Again, my friend, thanks very much for
joining us. Please don't be astranger, because you know what, I
believe that each and every one ofus hold a piece of this jigsaw puzzle
that we call the paranormal in ourpockets. And it's only by communicating and
(56:54):
getting a cent around that big table, putting our pieces on the table and
working at you know, completing thepuzzle together, that one day we will
solve this, this very interesting puzzle. Thanks very much for joining us,
my pleasure. Thank you, Xonation. I'll be back tomorrow night at eleven
(57:15):
o'clock is once again we cross thetime space continuum to this place that I
call the exxone. So until then, my friends, always remember to keep
your eyes to the sky and yourheart to the light. You're listening to
the xone radio show on Classic twelvetwenty, streamed around the world on Classic
twelve twenty dot CA. I'm RobMcConnell. Goodnight,
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