January 30, 2024 • 57 mins
Nathaniel Gillis, known as an esteemed demonologist, is a captivating figure in the realm of the supernatural. With an unwavering dedication to unraveling the mysteries of the infernal, Gillis possesses a wealth of knowledge and expertise that has established him as an authority in his field. With his piercing intellect, he navigates the delicate nuances of demonic lore with ease, elucidating the dark depths of the occult to shed light on ancient summoning rituals, maleficent entities, and the intricate forces that govern their interactions with the mortal world. Gillis's astute observations and cautionary advice are renowned, offering those curious about the supernatural an insightful glimpse into the intricate realm of demons. His patience and unwavering commitment to his mission make him an invaluable resource for both scholars and those in need of protection from the sinister forces that lie beyond human comprehension. Nathaniel Gillis stands as a beacon of wisdom and guidance, bridging the gap between the known and the unknown, compelling us to delve into the shadowy depths of the otherworldly.
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can. Wow, We're going tobe talking about demons, demonology in the
Darker side of the paranormal this hourwith our guest Nathaniel Gillis. And Nathaniel
is in Dayton, Ohio. AndNathaniel, welcome to the X Zone.
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Thank you for having me, sir. It's great to be with you.
It's great having you here too.Tell us a little bit about yourself and
how you how you got to dothat thing you do with the demonology thing
you was. So it all beganfor me when I was eight years old.
My parents had moved into a newhouse, and when we were actually
looking at the house prior to purchasingit, my dad took me by the
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hand and led me into my futureroom and he basically said, nathanie'l take
a look around. Figure out whereyou're going to be placing your chester drawers,
your bed, and all of yourstuff. And so I was,
and for some reason I felt compelledto look underneath the bed that was in
the corner of the room, andto my astonishment, when I looked underneath
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the bed, there was a fullbodied apparition of what appeared to be an
eight year old girl. She hadlong black hair, she was wearing a
white linen dress that looked to havebeen made during the turn of a century,
and I didn't know who she belongedto. At the first blush,
I thought that she maybe lived inthe neighborhood or something and snuck in.
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I had no idea, but oncewe moved into the house that d in
its pathology, and by the timewe moved out of the house, it
had turned into a malevolent haunting handsdown. And so that was my very
first encounter with this phenomenon we're researchingnow. When you say malevolent haunting,
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what kind of haunting activity was there? Oh, my goodness, almost well,
I can tell you this. Therewas. At nighttime, there was
what's called DVP direct voice phenomenon,And so I would wake up from a
dream or a nightmare and I couldhear two entities conversing with each other just
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above my head. And more thanthat, there would be this kind of
smoky ball or a cloud that wouldhover in the corner of the room at
nighttime. Wow. And then here'swhat's the craziest part about it was that
the the the entity would induce meinto looping nightmares. And what's so crazy
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about this? Even to this date, I'm thirty five years old, it
still sticks with me. But Ihad no frame of reference for anything that
these nightmares consisted of, none whatsoever. For instance, I didn't know what
addiction was. I didn't know whatinsulin was or anything remotely close to that,
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and yet in these nightmares they werethe same nightmare every time, but
they consisted of me walking towards ashelter at a park, and there were
two young men, maybe about twentytwenty one years old, and they were
sitting on a picic table with theirbacks turned towards me. The gentleman on
the right had a needle stuck inhis left arm, and like I said,
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I had no historical reference from that. I had no idea what he
was doing. And he never turnedaround noticed I was there. But the
gentman on the left did, andwhen he turned around, he kind of
grinned, he made eye contact,and then he pulled out a black three
fifty seven magnum and it's gonna getdark real quick. But this is just
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telling you exactly what I went through. But he put it in it.
He put it in his mouth,my friend, He put it in his
mouth and pulled the trigger, atwhich over and over again I would shake
myself awake. There would be acold chill in the room, and there
would just be this pervasive darkness allover the place, and I could feel
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it feeding off of my fear.And so that's I mean. Of course,
there were other manifestations. You know, the entity would displace its weight
on our wooden floors. I sawshadow figures, but you know, the
whole gamut was present. But thatwas instrumental in leading me into the field
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that I'm in today now. Priorto moving into this house, had you
had any experience whatsoever with paranormal Notat all, sir, at all.
I didn't even know what it was. How about your family, did they
suffer any ill effects from the paranormalevents that you were participating in? None
in that house. None in thathouse. Now, when we moved across
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town and do a new home,my mother did encounter shadow people and that
was her first experience with the phenomenon. But to my knowledge, neither of
them, even my my younger brother, none of them experienced what I experienced.
And it was quite a shock.You know. For a little bit,
I thought I was going crazy.I didn't understand exactly what was going
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on. But you know, I'mnot alone in that. There are plenty
of experiences out there where they're theonly they're the only individual and the entire
family that are witnessing this phenomenon.So for whatever reason, I was the
only one explanation Nathaniel Gillis is myspecial guest, and we're talking about demons,
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demonology, the dark side of theparanormal right here on the xone on
Classic twelve twenty. Any idea throughoutthe years that you've been researching the demonology
and the darker side as to whyyou the only person within your family that
has been having these encounters of ademonic type. I have no idea,
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brother, no idea. I knowthat there are certain people in this world
that are given gifts and different sensitivitiesto the spirit world, and I believe
personally this is just my conviction thatsometimes the phenomenon will target them with suicidal
ideation or addiction or what I callthe disfigurement of destiny, where for whatever
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reason, the phenomenon does not wantto deal with them. They're a threat
to this intelligence we're all researching,and I believe that to be the case.
I mean, the entity that Iencountered, it wanted me to commit
suicide. And to this day,there are times when I get too deep
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into the research and it gets toodark, I'll feel that entity creep up
on me and for a flitting moment, I'm back in my bed at three
in the morning, paralyzed in terror. But you know, it's just a
part of the field. It's apart of the research, and it's a
part of being who I am,and I believe who I'm called to be.
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You know, you said some peoplehave this gift. To me,
it sounds like your gift is acurse. Oh yes, yes, it
is in a way. You know, the phenomenon will target us. And
I've actually worked with experiencers who theyjust they became addicted to substances and you
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know, alcoholism, drug abuse,mainly because they've never been able to deal
with the traumatic events they went throughin a haunted house or in a possession
case or something of alike. Andyou know, it's interesting because this gets
into magic and what we would considerto be initiatory practices. I mean,
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you could have fifteen different people performthe same rituals, perform even prayers,
even prayers, perform the same prayers, and only one of them will get
results. And I can't put myfinger on it, but there is there
are rather, I should say,there are people who are more in tune
with the spirit world than others.You know, one out of fifteen who
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get the results, do they getthe results in all aspects of the testing,
or is it only in one specificprayer or one specific incantation, or
you know, is it just oneor is it right across the board.
It depends on the person. Butusually if it's successful in one genre,
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it's going to be equally, ifnot more successful than another. You know,
it's so interesting to me because again, the phenomenon will target people and
it's almost like it and I don'tknow if it can do this, but
it's the implication suggested it can,but it's almost like it seas into the
future and it would rather take peopleout now than have to deal with them
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later on. I mean, that'sthe only way I can rationalize it.
So if they only if they takecertain people to deal with them now,
this would kind of implicate that,or not implicate, but show evidence that
they have dealt with these people likeyourself before in a previous life, and
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they know what the future is goingto be, so they want to take
care of you now before you getthe strength or the ability to fight them
off or eradicate them. Correct.Correct, And you know there are a
few people out there that can actuallyavail. And if anything is true about
the phenomenon. It does not wantto be seen for what it is.
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And that's what I really believe.Before it go any further, how would
you describe or define a demon?There are two hypotheses throughout history, or
at least two dominating theories. Oneis that a demon is a mutated ghost,
and the other theory is essentially thatit's a fallen angel. Now I
have my own grievances with the fallenangel hypothesis because the term fallen angel isn't
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even written in the Bible. It'sa construct created after it was written.
But you know, those are thetwo dominating theories. But I'm gonna say
this, and it's going to beshocking, but and it took me a
long time of being in a fielddoing cleansings and then performing academic work to
come to this conclusion. But Ibelieve that there is a singular intelligence that
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is masking itself as both demonic andet in order to hide from us.
And there is evidence to suggest that, which we'll get into before the night's
over. Sure sounds like a plan, my friend, excellnation, I guess
this hour is Nathaniel Gillison If you'dlike to check them out, on Instagram,
it's the Nathaniel Gillis and he alsohas a YouTube channel. Just go
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to YouTube and type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is the X and I am
Rob McConnell. We're coming to youfrom our broadcast center and studios in St.
Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, onyour hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and
streaming around the world on Classic twelvetwenty dot CAA. You can also send
me an email X Zone at Classictwelve twenty dot ca and Nathaniel and I
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will be back on the other sideof this kind of short commercial break here
in the X zone where we searchfor answers. Well, you know what,
we're also demanding the truth. Nathanieland I will be back on the
other side of the break. Don'tgo away, I like to he smiled
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at me. I felt the hethat enveloped me and molesaw I like to
see. I never knew I shootand welcome to your hometown radio Classic twelve
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twenty, coming to you from ourbroad cast center in studios in St.
Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, andstreaming around the world on A Classic twelve
twenty dot ca A. Nathaniel Gillisis our special guest at this hour.
We're talking about evil, We're talkingabout demons, we're talking about shadow people,
the as well as all aspects ofthe darker side of the paranormal.
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Before we went to the break,you kind of gave us a little bit
of a teaser when you were talkingabout the alien alien demon connection. Can
we get into that because that soundsrather ominous and yet very intriguing. Yes,
sir, it's uh, it's beenan interest of mine now for many
years. But my hypothesis now,and this is going to be kind of
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disappointing to those who follow me becauseyou know, people try to put me
in a box. They hear demonologists, and so they think that, you
know, I'm either Catholic or I'msomebody that goes in and you know,
sings holy water. Nothing against anyof that. I'm just I'm kind of
a hybrid, okay, kind ofa hybrid. And Blade has been centered
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around the interconnectivities between the demonic andthe et and there is evidence that I
will quote here in a little bit, but there is evidence that suggests that
both of them are in fact masksof a sceneular intelligence. And this intelligence
is in largely it's it's in controlof a lot of things in our life
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and in this world. In thisworld, but even more than that,
it has evolved according to our awarenessof it. And so No, I
was just going to say, itsounds like whoever or whatever the senator is,
who can mask as as the thenegative side of society as well as
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the positive side. Where does thisfit in with religious philosophies? No,
Well, even right now, ifyou look at the evangelical researchers, they're
starting to come to a very startlingconclusion. Whatever we're dealing with, my
friend, as he clipsed the microcosmof known demonology, whatever this intelligence is,
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it does not obey any known ruleswithin demonological theory. What do you
mean, Ithaniel? Let me saylike this. I had a case study
not about two or three years agonow where an individual his father was a
famous remote viewer, and he wouldoften go out of body and it was
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almost like a UFO abduction. Hewould enter in this metallic room and his
guides would flank him on the rightand left sides. Well, you know,
they would give him insights, prophecies, and then when he would get
back into his body, he wouldthen call like a famous celebrity or a
local politician and give them poll numbersand insights into their campaign. Well,
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one night, his father went intoone of his sessions and everything was going
according to the protocol. However,when he arrived in this metallic room,
these beings had appeared to him,and at first blush they did look like
his guides. But when he wasthere, he started to look at them
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more intensely, and he noticed thatthere were certain features about them that did
not belong to his guides. Infact, it was almost like these beings
were trying to play the role withoutreally fulfilling it to the t. So
there were certain facial features, therewere certain aspects of the mask that did
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not belong to the original guides ofhis And this is fascinating, but this
will tell you where we are rightnow on the field. As soon as
he realized that these guys were justlying to him, they were deceiving him,
he said, they changed their appearance, and it's something that looked inhuman.
Next thing he knows, and thisis his son's testimony. Now,
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he said, next thing I know, he said, I was downstairs.
My father comes stumbling down the stairway. He's inconsoplable, he's white as a
she's why is a sheep? Andhe's crying his eyes out, he said,
he said, my father had amassive heart attack, and he said,
by the time we got himTo thehospital, there were subdermal scarifications from
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underneath the skin moving to the surfaceof religious ambulets. One religious annual there
were three of them, but onewas the star of David. The other
one was across but upwards towards hisneck there was an art Egyptian hieroglyph.
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So whatever we're dealing with, I'mleaning more towards sorcery or sorcerers in the
way that they are employing their ritualsand their symbolism. Do you think that
this is the historic fight between goodand evil? But that has been plagued
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upon this planet and we human sinceday one? Yes, And whatever we're
dealing with, they're playing by differentrules, my friend, and it took
me a while to get to thispoint, reading demonological literature, the book
Phenomenon Abduction, Phenomenon, the FetusSyndrome, all of the above, I
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tarted to realize that the reason they'replaying by different rules is because they're playing
a different game in much of whatwe've come to know as has been nearly
been propaganda employed by the phenomenon inan effort to evade us. And it's
just a it's a troubling aspect.How do we make the connection between a
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demons and daily in abduction. It'svery easy, It's very easy. So,
I mean, if you get backto the missing fetus syndrome, even
that phenomenon did not originate in upology, had originated in antiquity. Specifically,
not just an antiquity, but inthe sixteenth century when we started to have
the advent of what we're called dreamdemons. Essentially, women were going to
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be at night time and being inducedinto a dream like state, intoitequods in
manifest to them in the nightmare.Then it would assault them. And I'm
not going to get, you know, too deep into it. Yeah,
please don't, because we're a family. We're a family, right, Yeah,
definitely not gonna do that, butappreciate it. Yeah. So yeah,
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and they had the female The womanwould encounter this entity and then the
next day she would think, Okay, it's just a dream, there's just
a nightmare. And then while she'sat work, she looks down in the
our ligature, marks of our handsand wrists that directly correlate with a nightmare
she had the night before. Andto go even deeper here, we're starting
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to draw out what I considered tobe the multi pathology. That entity would
then possess the woman. Is itokay? If I say that, I
mean I don't. But it wouldthen possess the woman to the point that
she would start having different memories thatdid not belong to her experience. And
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so then what they would do isthese women would multiple women, they would
present themselves to the exorcists. Andmore than being possessed by the entity,
these women were known to have twopulses in the same body. How should
you have how can you have twopulses in the same to go, You're
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gonna catch it, brother, Whenyou see it, you're gonna be like,
oh my god. So the twopulses in the same body, even
more than that, two heart beatsin the same body. And when these
women were introducing themselves to the exorcist, they were possessed by the entity,
but they look to have been withchild, They look to have been pregnant.
Hence the two heart beats and twopulses. This, this phenomenon led
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demonologists to ask probably the most profoundquestion ever, at least in this field,
and that was is this woman possessedby the entity or is she pregnant
with it? That's a heavy question. It's a profound question, my friend.
And so what occurred there? Andthis is it's incredible because again,
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sometimes the phenomenon will slip up andwe can see beyond the veil, and
this this is one of those moments. Well, what happened was these women
were, you know, prisoning,like I said, presenting themselves to the
exorcism. When the exorcism was successful, the phenomenon took both the consciousness inside
of the woman and the fetus thatshe was pregnant with at the same time.
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That is in deemnology. But wewould know that right now as the
missing fetus syndrome in uphology. Butis there any evidence to support these claims,
any medical records or any substantial orphysical proof, because you know,
I hear where you're coming from,and I've known, I know after doing
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the show for thirty years. Anythingas possible. Right. However, new
people listening are saying, oh,come on, really, so how do
we how do we tell the peopleor how do we show the people that
yes, there is evidence to substantiatethese claims, Are there are there are
there medical records? Yes, interms of modernity, absolutely, their medical
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records. And the problem though thatwe're finding is that these doctors, kindecologists,
all of the above, they're notwilling to risk their careers to validate
research that they consider to be fringe. And we know that even the documentary
Extraordinary Seeding they discuss that in depth, almost ad nauseum in a way.
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But absolutely and so But regarding thesixteenth century d Luke phenomenon, what we
have are are basically then documenting itto the best of their ability without the
scientific method. But in terms ofmodernity, yes, we do have evidence
of that, both within the UFOabduction phenomenon and within the Inky By case
studies. Now, according to eufologists, there are over one hundred different species
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of aliens that are visiting this planetand are and are on this planet at
this very time. Is it possiblethat what we consider to be ets are
actually demons and that these ets havenothing to do with you know, somewhere
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out there but actually another dimension andwhen they manifest in this dimension into a
physical form that we have perceived themto be or have been given thought by
these ets or by these demons asto who they really are, not,
for example, they're not demons.Well you know, let's let's let's let's
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get the humans to call us aliensfrom another planet. Is this how in
your opinion they work? Well,I do believe they employ masks, they
do like to avail themselves, andthen they do what's called are two things
that they do. Number one,it's called the manufacturing of consent. In
number two, it's called perception management. But to your question, that is
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one theory that we are, infact dealing with demons that are masquerading as
the et. Now, I'm justgonna say this, there is evidence to
suggest that as well. I mean, if you look back at the beginning
of the UFO craze in the nineteenfifties, Yes, Georgia Danski, George
Hunt Williamson, most of these experiencersencountered these ets by virtue of building stone
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altars just like the pagan God's inantiquity, and making sacrifices. I mean,
even George Hunt Williamson, he wascontacting ets by virtue of a homemade
Wiji board, So there are interconnectivities. But again the phenomenon will employ masks,
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and I think that's where we areat. The field is okay,
how do we vet it? Well? You know on this show we have
something called commercials that we have totake. So please end by Nathaniel.
Thanks very much for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. X O Nation.
Our guest is Nathaniel Gillis. He'son Instagram the Nathaniel Gillis and also
on YouTube. Just get to YouTubeand type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is
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the xceone. I am Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our broadcast
center in studios in Saint Catharine's,Ontario, Canada, on your hometown radio
Classic twelve twenty and around the worldon Classic twelfth twenty dot CA. Skeptic
or believer, send me your emailx Zone at xzonradio TV dot com or
right here to the studio x Zoneat Classic twelve twenty dot CA. I'm
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Rob McConnell and welcome to the XZone, a place where fact is fiction
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I'll take She's got the Devil.Welcome back to everyone. This is
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the excellent I am Rob McConnell,and you're listening to the excellon radio show
right here from our broadcast center instudios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
on your hometown radio Classic twelve twentyand streaming around the world on Classic
twelve twenty dot CA. A NathanielGillis is our special guest. We're talking
about demons, extraterrestrials, the darkerside of the paranormal, shadow figures,
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and much more. If you'd liketo find out more about Nathaniel, visit
his Instagram account that is the NathanielGillis, and he also has a YouTube
channel. All you need to dois just go to YouTube and type in
Nathaniel Gillis. All right, thiswhole thing with ets and a you know,
ET's and demons, no they thisseems to be well hard to believe
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that this has been going on forso long and we're just cluing in now.
That's a good point, and toa degree of witness researchers in the
field articulating the same thing. Theproblem is, my friend, that many
of us have been so focused onthe phenomenon's current incarnation i e. The
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E T right, that we've neglectedthe other case studies that preceded this new
incarnation. Case in point in whicherror literature. For those who are book
readers like I am, probably likeyou are, sir, You're very smart.
So I'm just assuming you know thatthat in which your literature, there's
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a book called aerosy a guy namedr. El Masters, and he's talking
this is so fascinating. He's nottalking about UFO abduction at allsoever, never
mentions that in the three hundred pagebook. But but he does talk about
instances where I'm just gonna call itthe phenomenon or the intelligence. The intelligence
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would abduct a witch out of herbed at night time, replace her with
the familiar spirit. So when thehusband gets up to get a glass of
water or something, he thinks hiswife is still with him, but the
intelligence would kidnap her, replace herwith the familiar spirit, fly her on
what we're considered to be and thisis the this is the classical term for
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it. Okay, demonic flights.And initially what what happened is they would
fly these witches is over to asabbot on like a hillside or on a
mountaintop, and then it would encountered, I'm just gonna say, encounter them.
It would be a bad grammar,but it would induce them into a
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physical encounter. How about that kindof skirt around that. But in doing
so, the witch thinks that sheis encountering and in dealing with either a
demon or a corpse and so thephenomenon is creating an entire theatrical production so
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as to play the role of thebelief system this witch is involved in.
And in this book by Ril Masters, he details a rather unique manifestation where
there's a crack in the mass becausewhat started happening was the technology the phenomenon
was employing. It was fuzzing inand out. And what was happening is
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that at once what was once ratherecubi or demons or corpses, These women
are looking around and they're not evenon a hilltop anymore. They have no
idea where they are. Furthermore,these were not corpses or demons. They
were being poked and prodded by metallicobjects that were taking ova and insanity them
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with fetuses. So this is anotherexample, just one example of the phenomenon
masking itself as demonic in order tohide from us, in order to devail
itself and its true nature. Whywould why would these entities or these demons,
why would they need to kidnap orsteal a fetus for what? Well,
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this gets back into the self replicationof species and into incubi and suck
you by literature. But the mostvalid theory I have heard to date is
that these beings are placing their consciousnessinto these fetuses and using them as biological
avatars. That is the, likeI said, the most valid and cohesive
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theory i've heard. All Right,So, why why would these demons use
humans instead of Well, apparently they'recoming in. They're doing their their own
dirty work, so to speak.Why would they have to incorporate their will,
their desire, their spirit into afetus if they have the ability to
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just do it on their own?Very good question. There's something about the
womb. I call it the mortalportal, but there's something about the human
womb they that they are after this. See, if we're going to look
at the phenomenon as a whole,it's difficult not to see the esoteric connection
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with it. I mean, ifwe go back into history, like I
said in the nineteen fifties, right, these beings were not manifesting to NASA,
They were not manifesting to physicists orastronauts. They were manifesting and responding
in seances. They were responding towhat are called earthen altars and esoteric rights.
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In moving even forward with that thought, if these beings are in fact
responding to incantations from ancient Mesopotamia.Then we see a nuanced version of esotericism
involved. Now, if that's thecase, it opens the door for what's
called fetus magic. Where this iskind of hard to believe too, but
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I mean still it's relevant. Butessentially what they were doing in antiquity.
This is from The Red Fez byFritz Kramer and The Golden Bow by James
Fraser, both are anthropologists. Butwe're talking about is the right of sorcery.
Where this gets back to why Ibelieve some of these are sorcerers and
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magicians. Where if the magician isdying, what he would do is he
would go and inciminate a woman witha fetus. Now we would consider that
to be an inch of us right, absolutely, but we didn't realize what
was occurring, and so he wouldinciminate her with the fetus. He would
dispossess his own body in common dearthat new fetus as a biological avatar.
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Matter of fact, there are someresearchers that believe this is exactly what happened
to Alistair Crowley. Matter of fact, anyways, I don't want to ramble.
Sometimes it's all right, it's almostlike it's demonic reincarnation. Yes,
yes, But something I've noticed isthat it seems that these demons aren't very
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smart, or they don't they're notvery technologically advanced, because if they have
to keep on stealing a fetus froma human, that means they do not
have the technology to replicate full,full fetuses using DNA. Correct, Which
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is that strange? You think aboutwhat I mean, even now in the
twenty first century. You know,we've created artificial wombs, and some say
that we've created fetuses in those artificialwombs for some reason, If these beings
are that far ahead of us,why are they still wanting to create what
I've considered to be an embryonic relationshipwith us? Exactly that? You know,
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that's the same question you can askabout cattle mutilation. Why keep on
white? You know, why keepon abducting all these cows? If you
can fly across the universe and gothrough wormholes and you're so highly technologically advanced,
one cow should suffice, absolutely,sir an Absolutely, great point.
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Yeah, and you have to stillthey're still doing these, you know,
catam emulations. So there are thingsthat make no sense whatsoever, and it's
sad because it Let me throw thisat your real quick brother, if I
may. Let's think about an intelligencethat has possibly been here since the dawn
of recorded history. Let's think aboutan intelligence that has evolved alongside of us.
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It is present with but absent fromnow. In the thousands of years
at least, that's conservative, thousandsof years of our existence and written history,
we have documented virtually nothing in termsof relevant data. We do not
know its origin, we do notknow its intent, we do not know
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its nature, we do not knowits real appearance. And so what kind
of intelligence could do that unless there'sa measure of control it has over us
as a species. You know what, I think I know exactly what's going
on. They're hiding right in plainsight, because if you read the Bible
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and other religious religious books, ittalks about the devil, it talks about
the negative side, it talks aboutthe Nephilim. You know, these ancient
texts are filled with these examples.Is it possible that we're so naive that
we believe we know everything, thatthe answers are right in front of us,
and yet we refuse to accept thembecause they're old yes, absolutely,
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And the great points are I'll takethat and I'll go a step further.
Please, we have researcher, Wehave researchers in the field that have spent
thirty five years studying only one incarnation. What they're doing to their own demise
is excluding case studies from an earliermask get employed in antiquity. So what
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do I mean by that, Well, let's look at this for a fitting
moment. We know for a factthat these beings have manifested as angels.
Yeah see doctor Collecturner's book Masquerade EveAngels. We know they've manifested as guides
that case study I mentioned previously.We know that they have manifested as ghosts
and DC's loved ones. And likeI said before, that the phenomenon evolves
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according to our awareness of it.We have fifty plus years, my friend
of us having the ability to testor quote test the spirits. If it
is dear At Edna, it's goingto act like dear At Edna. Its
knowledge and belief system will match dearAt Edna's historical record, right, And
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so there's a way that we canvet them. And so the phenomenon realized
that, and so in an effortto evade, it evolved and it introduced
a new character into the program,one that cannot be vetted, and that's
the eating. All right, Ican see where that has possibilities, but
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how do we prove it? Thisis what we need to do in order
to get a lot more people onboard, especially the scientific community, working
with the religious, different organizations.All right, well, I'm gonna let
you chew on that until we comeback from our final break. Great talking
to you, and Nathaniel Gillis isour guest xall Nation on Instagram the Nathaniel
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Gillis and he also has a YouTubechannel. Just go to YouTube and type
in Nathaniel Gillis. We'll be backon the other side as the Excellent continues
with yours truly from our broadcast centerand studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario,
Canada, on your hometown radio Classictwelve twenty and streaming around the world also
on Classic twelve twenty dot CA.I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be backed on
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the boy. I'll take my chances. Jesus the Devil went down to Georgia.
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He was looking for a soul ofsteel. He was in a bine
because he was way behind it.He was willing to make a deal when
he came across this young man sewingon a fiddle and playing it hot.
And the devil jumped up on ahickory dump said, boy, let me
tell you what. I guess youdidn't know it, but I'm a fiddle
player too, and if you'd careto take a dare, I'll make a
bet with you. Now you've playedpretty good, fiddle, boy, but
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give the devil his due. Ibet a fiddle of gold against your souldiers.
I think I'm better than you.The boy said, my name's Johnny,
and it might be a sin,but I'll take your bet. You're
going to regret because I'm the businesseveryban Johnny. Here's up your bowl and
player fiddle. Excellannation. We're talkingabout devils, We're talking about evil.
We're talking about, oh my gosh, the Darker side of the paranormal with
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my guest this hour, Nathaniel Gillis. And he's on Instagram, Nathaniel the
Nathaniel Gillis. And before we getback to Nathaniel, I just like to
remind everyone that the X Zone isnow from ten pm until midnight, which
means after Nathaniel, we have anotherguest coming on, who, by the
way, is a former police detectivewho has a team of investigators and is
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part of an organization throughout Canada andthe United States where only law enforcement officers
actually do investigations of the paranormal.So that is coming up after the top
of the hour. Nathaniel. Firstof all, before we go on,
I'd like to thank you for joiningus tonight, and can you tell us
about some of the research that's outthere going into the the darker side of
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demonology, in fact just demonology,because as far as I'm concerned, it's
all kind of really dark, Yes, sir, So, right now the
field is being dominated by Catholic demonology, which there's nothing wrong with that.
However, the phenomenon we're discussing tonighthas eclipsed that microcausing you know, there
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are certain rules that we were ledto believe they follow that they simply do
not follow. And so even evangelicalresearchers that I personally know that I'm friends
with, they're having to adjust theirmodel because if they're saying that these are
nepheline, then it starts to getinto a religious philosophy. Why would they
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First of all, how would theyknow when people will die? How can
they simulate? And these are justsome things that they're capable of, and
I can back these up with thecase studies. How can they simulate near
death experiences? How can they appeelsouls out of bodies? In all of
this it points to again an intelligencethat is playing by different rules. In
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much of these rules that we thoughtthey were playing by were merely the byproduct
of the mask they employed. Andso, like I said, evangelical researchers,
they're starting to realize that listen,if these are in fact demonic in
nature, you were in for itlike we were in for a battle,
because there is something completely different.Is it possible that we're trying to overthink
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the entire scenario, that we're usingmodern technology to try and solve ancient,
ancient mysteries. Yes, in toa large degree, what we're witnessing with
this intelligence is in fact ancient technology. I mean, think a look at
this for a second, my friend. If you look at the necromantic ritual
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Potamia, and in Biblical antiquity,one of them was called the Terrifyme and
this gets back into you know,building altars which they responded to and performing
these incantations. But in Biblical antiquity, in the Levant, there was a
necromantic ritual where the necromancer would goand dig up either he would dig up
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a corpse or he would go finda living person, and he would carve
the name of an unclean spirit intoa small piece of metal and implanted into
the body of an individual. Inthe consciousness of that entity would come and
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dear of that person's body in wearit as what's called us social skin.
Now again, in modernity we knowthat as the implant. But its root,
its origin, it is not foundagain, It's not found in just
technology, but it's rooted in thefertile soil of esotericism and sorcery. Now
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can I go a little bit furtherwith us? Oh yes, please,
Okay, Now, there is aThere was a group. It probably still
exists under a different name. Thenineteen fifties there was a group called the
Collins Elite, and I know alot of people in ufology frown on them
for certain reasons, which I canunderstand to a degree. But the Colons
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Elite were a part of the Departmentof defense. Many of them were physicists,
but their goal was to search outany and all interconnectivities between uphology and
the occult. And one of theexperiments they ran it's phenomenal. But what
they did is they went to Englandand they scooped up soil samples found in
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authentic crop circles. They put themunderneath the microscope and they documented a unique
energy signature and a cellular anomaly inthat sample. They then went into their
laboratory, hired a practitioner of sorceryor magic, and asked them to read
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incantations from this grim wire that theyhad in an effort to physically or spiritually
harm someone. It's gonna blow yourmind. They blew my mind at least,
and once the incantation was successful andthe phenomenon manifested, they then went
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around that laboratory and collected samples.Some of them were soil, but anyways,
they compared these soil samples and othersamples from the environment. They compared
the environment with the incantations to thesoil from the crop circle, and they
discovered that they both shared the ideacellular anomaly in the identical energy signature.
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This led them to believe that notonly were these beings manifesting to earth and
altars and to practitioners of magic,but that there is a major portion of
what they're doing that consists of darksorcery, which I will refer back to
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the case study where they carved religiousamulets into the flesh. So it's all
pointing in that direction. Is thereany connection with in your opinion, with
the the increased number of demonic sightings, demonic possessions, general sociological interest in
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demons, and the hydron collider toa degree, To a degree, it's
disturbing because, okay, even ourfederal government is trying to do what they're
trying to do over there. Essentially, the idea is, if we can
open up a portal, if wecan build an altar that's big enough,
right, if we can say anincantation that's successful enough, these beings will
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enlighten us and give us certain whatare called magical technologies. This gets back
into Jack Parsons an Allister Crowley.The problem is, and this is what
the Colins Elite discovery. The problemis when we think we're under when we
think that we have them under ourcontrol, what we're realizing is that we
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are being manipulated and that they havebeen in control the entire time. Let
me ask you something here. Alot of people who investigate the dark side
of the paranormal claim that holy waterand religious heart effects have a protective value
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when it comes to personal attacks oreven exorcisms. If these people, okay,
people, God, I'm giving themmore credit than they deserve. If
these creatures are so powerful, whywould holy water or a crucifix or even
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a prayer affect them? Well,if you looked out, Okay, So
this is very interesting. Now,there was a Franciscan priest named Father sent
astroidan Nino, and he was dealingwith incuby case studies where these beings were
carving ambulets underneath people's eyelids. Butone day, when he was on his
way home from dinner, he wason a dirt road and according to his
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testimony, a demon manifested in frontof him, and he used his holy
water, employed all of his annuletsin nothing worked, absolutely nothing, And
so he was forced to categorize thisentity. And this is so funny to
me personally, I think it's hilarious. As a pagan demon religion defines what's
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demonic, but it was a pagandemon And so what we're realizing, I
mean, you know, there arebeings that seemingly and this is a very
conservative way of saying it, butthey seemingly follow those roles. And the
problem is this that you have anentire religious movement that bases the validity of
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their doctrine on the success of theirexorcisms. Meanwhile, and this is a
fact. Meanwhile, we have casestudies where during investigations, the priests will
go into the haunted house put avial of holy water in a room in
while they're trying to collect EBPs.That entity is siphoning the holy water right
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out of the vile. Am.Sure, we're playing by different rules,
you know what. You've just puta whole new spin on the you know,
the immaculate conception, Yes, interms of the incubay or you know,
the immaculate conception of Mary and thebirth of Christ. Absolutely, my
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friend. Yeah, and it doesseem to be it doesn't seem to be
afterlife phenomenon. Me. Even inEgyptology they had what's called the image of
the invisible, and that is exactlyI think what we're seeing in anyways.
But yeah, so that's what Ibelieve is occurring is I know we've got
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to wrap it up here in alittle bit, but these beings are playing
by different rules because they're playing adifferent game. And the problem that we're
having right now on the field iswe're ignorant of the game. Well,
I think I think part of theproblem is is that, like you were
saying, they don't play by ourrules because they're playing with in my opinion,
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they're playing with techniques and manifestations thatare totally out of our sphere of
comprehension, absolutely, sir, andsadly enough. And people need to understand
where I'm coming from. I grewup in the evangelical movement. My dad
is a pastor. Wow, AndI've lost a lot of evangelical friends because
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I'm trying to get them to realizethat if these beings are in fact demons,
then we have to stretch our wehave to grow out of the dogma
and grow into the data. Andyou know, they're capabilities, it's beyond
the modern conception of the demonic.We've got about a minute that I'd like
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you to share a message with theexplanation and enlighten them within that minute on
what they can do in case theybelieve they feel that they are part of
a demonic or a demon's wish,you know, to manifest and to take
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over one well. First of all, for the sake of research, document
anything and everything you can. Secondof all, there is one common thematic
element both in history and in modernity. It is the thing that they are
the most afraid of, at leastaccording to the data, and that is
iron iron iron, either iron anulets. I recommend an iron cross and I
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can give you case studies, butwe don't have time. We don't have
time now, but we'll certainly haveyou back in the future. Nathaniel,
I want to thank you so muchfor joining us, and just keep the
great work up and keep us abreastof what's happening. And if there's any
earth shattering demonic research that brings upsome information to light that would be of
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a great asset to our audience.Got a hold of me, and we'll
get you on as soon as wecan. Yes, sir, thank you
again for having me on. Itwas wonderful, my great pleasure. To
take care of yourself. Be safe, you see, bye bye. Now.
Nathaniel Gillis has been our guest thishour exonation and if you'd like to
find him on Instagram, it's theNathaniel Gillis and on YouTube just type in
Nathaniel Gillis. I'll be back onthe other side of this commercial break as
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we continue for our number two herein the X Zone from our broadcast center
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I'm Rob McConnell and welcome to theX Zone, a place where fact is
fiction and fiction is reality. Todayon the X Zone, the Great Lakes
Triangle of North America, found inthe heartland of North America. These landlocked
yet connected lakes, which eventually emptyinto the Atlantic Ocean, have become a
scene of more mysteries involving ships,aircraft, people, UFO ghosts, and
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vandom ships than the Bermuda Triangle,one sixteenth the size of the Bermuda Triangle.
Lady john Grave Simcoe was the firstEuropean to chronicle the strange orbs of
life that have been seen above andblow the waters of Lake Ontario. First
Canadians tell of great cities which surroundedthe Great Lakes, where men flew without
wings. The Great Lakes Triangle ofNorth America one of the world's greatest mysteries,
right in our own backyard. Oh, Henry, to the Exison,
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can. Wow, We're going tobe talking about demons, demonology in the
Darker side of the paranormal this hourwith our guest Nathaniel Gillis. And Nathaniel
is in Dayton, Ohio. AndNathaniel, welcome to the X Zone.
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Thank you for having me, sir. It's great to be with you.
It's great having you here too.Tell us a little bit about yourself and
how you how you got to dothat thing you do with the demonology thing
you was. So it all beganfor me when I was eight years old.
My parents had moved into a newhouse, and when we were actually
looking at the house prior to purchasingit, my dad took me by the
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hand and led me into my futureroom and he basically said, nathanie'l take
a look around. Figure out whereyou're going to be placing your chester drawers,
your bed, and all of yourstuff. And so I was,
and for some reason I felt compelledto look underneath the bed that was in
the corner of the room, andto my astonishment, when I looked underneath
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the bed, there was a fullbodied apparition of what appeared to be an
eight year old girl. She hadlong black hair, she was wearing a
white linen dress that looked to havebeen made during the turn of a century,
and I didn't know who she belongedto. At the first blush,
I thought that she maybe lived inthe neighborhood or something and snuck in.
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I had no idea, but oncewe moved into the house that d in
its pathology, and by the timewe moved out of the house, it
had turned into a malevolent haunting handsdown. And so that was my very
first encounter with this phenomenon we're researchingnow. When you say malevolent haunting,
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what kind of haunting activity was there? Oh, my goodness, almost well,
I can tell you this. Therewas. At nighttime, there was
what's called DVP direct voice phenomenon,And so I would wake up from a
dream or a nightmare and I couldhear two entities conversing with each other just
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above my head. And more thanthat, there would be this kind of
smoky ball or a cloud that wouldhover in the corner of the room at
nighttime. Wow. And then here'swhat's the craziest part about it was that
the the the entity would induce meinto looping nightmares. And what's so crazy
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about this? Even to this date, I'm thirty five years old, it
still sticks with me. But Ihad no frame of reference for anything that
these nightmares consisted of, none whatsoever. For instance, I didn't know what
addiction was. I didn't know whatinsulin was or anything remotely close to that,
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and yet in these nightmares they werethe same nightmare every time, but
they consisted of me walking towards ashelter at a park, and there were
two young men, maybe about twentytwenty one years old, and they were
sitting on a picic table with theirbacks turned towards me. The gentleman on
the right had a needle stuck inhis left arm, and like I said,
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I had no historical reference from that. I had no idea what he
was doing. And he never turnedaround noticed I was there. But the
gentman on the left did, andwhen he turned around, he kind of
grinned, he made eye contact,and then he pulled out a black three
fifty seven magnum and it's gonna getdark real quick. But this is just
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telling you exactly what I went through. But he put it in it.
He put it in his mouth,my friend, He put it in his
mouth and pulled the trigger, atwhich over and over again I would shake
myself awake. There would be acold chill in the room, and there
would just be this pervasive darkness allover the place, and I could feel
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it feeding off of my fear.And so that's I mean. Of course,
there were other manifestations. You know, the entity would displace its weight
on our wooden floors. I sawshadow figures, but you know, the
whole gamut was present. But thatwas instrumental in leading me into the field
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that I'm in today now. Priorto moving into this house, had you
had any experience whatsoever with paranormal Notat all, sir, at all.
I didn't even know what it was. How about your family, did they
suffer any ill effects from the paranormalevents that you were participating in? None
in that house. None in thathouse. Now, when we moved across
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town and do a new home,my mother did encounter shadow people and that
was her first experience with the phenomenon. But to my knowledge, neither of
them, even my my younger brother, none of them experienced what I experienced.
And it was quite a shock.You know. For a little bit,
I thought I was going crazy.I didn't understand exactly what was going
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on. But you know, I'mnot alone in that. There are plenty
of experiences out there where they're theonly they're the only individual and the entire
family that are witnessing this phenomenon.So for whatever reason, I was the
only one explanation Nathaniel Gillis is myspecial guest, and we're talking about demons,
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demonology, the dark side of theparanormal right here on the xone on
Classic twelve twenty. Any idea throughoutthe years that you've been researching the demonology
and the darker side as to whyyou the only person within your family that
has been having these encounters of ademonic type. I have no idea,
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brother, no idea. I knowthat there are certain people in this world
that are given gifts and different sensitivitiesto the spirit world, and I believe
personally this is just my conviction thatsometimes the phenomenon will target them with suicidal
ideation or addiction or what I callthe disfigurement of destiny, where for whatever
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reason, the phenomenon does not wantto deal with them. They're a threat
to this intelligence we're all researching,and I believe that to be the case.
I mean, the entity that Iencountered, it wanted me to commit
suicide. And to this day,there are times when I get too deep
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into the research and it gets toodark, I'll feel that entity creep up
on me and for a flitting moment, I'm back in my bed at three
in the morning, paralyzed in terror. But you know, it's just a
part of the field. It's apart of the research, and it's a
part of being who I am,and I believe who I'm called to be.
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You know, you said some peoplehave this gift. To me,
it sounds like your gift is acurse. Oh yes, yes, it
is in a way. You know, the phenomenon will target us. And
I've actually worked with experiencers who theyjust they became addicted to substances and you
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know, alcoholism, drug abuse,mainly because they've never been able to deal
with the traumatic events they went throughin a haunted house or in a possession
case or something of alike. Andyou know, it's interesting because this gets
into magic and what we would considerto be initiatory practices. I mean,
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you could have fifteen different people performthe same rituals, perform even prayers,
even prayers, perform the same prayers, and only one of them will get
results. And I can't put myfinger on it, but there is there
are rather, I should say,there are people who are more in tune
with the spirit world than others.You know, one out of fifteen who
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get the results, do they getthe results in all aspects of the testing,
or is it only in one specificprayer or one specific incantation, or
you know, is it just oneor is it right across the board.
It depends on the person. Butusually if it's successful in one genre,
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it's going to be equally, ifnot more successful than another. You know,
it's so interesting to me because again, the phenomenon will target people and
it's almost like it and I don'tknow if it can do this, but
it's the implication suggested it can,but it's almost like it seas into the
future and it would rather take peopleout now than have to deal with them
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later on. I mean, that'sthe only way I can rationalize it.
So if they only if they takecertain people to deal with them now,
this would kind of implicate that,or not implicate, but show evidence that
they have dealt with these people likeyourself before in a previous life, and
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they know what the future is goingto be, so they want to take
care of you now before you getthe strength or the ability to fight them
off or eradicate them. Correct.Correct, And you know there are a
few people out there that can actuallyavail. And if anything is true about
the phenomenon. It does not wantto be seen for what it is.
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And that's what I really believe.Before it go any further, how would
you describe or define a demon?There are two hypotheses throughout history, or
at least two dominating theories. Oneis that a demon is a mutated ghost,
and the other theory is essentially thatit's a fallen angel. Now I
have my own grievances with the fallenangel hypothesis because the term fallen angel isn't
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even written in the Bible. It'sa construct created after it was written.
But you know, those are thetwo dominating theories. But I'm gonna say
this, and it's going to beshocking, but and it took me a
long time of being in a fielddoing cleansings and then performing academic work to
come to this conclusion. But Ibelieve that there is a singular intelligence that
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is masking itself as both demonic andet in order to hide from us.
And there is evidence to suggest that, which we'll get into before the night's
over. Sure sounds like a plan, my friend, excellnation, I guess
this hour is Nathaniel Gillison If you'dlike to check them out, on Instagram,
it's the Nathaniel Gillis and he alsohas a YouTube channel. Just go
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to YouTube and type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is the X and I am
Rob McConnell. We're coming to youfrom our broadcast center and studios in St.
Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, onyour hometown radio Classic twelve twenty and
streaming around the world on Classic twelvetwenty dot CAA. You can also send
me an email X Zone at Classictwelve twenty dot ca and Nathaniel and I
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will be back on the other sideof this kind of short commercial break here
in the X zone where we searchfor answers. Well, you know what,
we're also demanding the truth. Nathanieland I will be back on the
other side of the break. Don'tgo away, I like to he smiled
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at me. I felt the hethat enveloped me and molesaw I like to
see. I never knew I shootand welcome to your hometown radio Classic twelve
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twenty, coming to you from ourbroad cast center in studios in St.
Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, andstreaming around the world on A Classic twelve
twenty dot ca A. Nathaniel Gillisis our special guest at this hour.
We're talking about evil, We're talkingabout demons, we're talking about shadow people,
the as well as all aspects ofthe darker side of the paranormal.
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Before we went to the break,you kind of gave us a little bit
of a teaser when you were talkingabout the alien alien demon connection. Can
we get into that because that soundsrather ominous and yet very intriguing. Yes,
sir, it's uh, it's beenan interest of mine now for many
years. But my hypothesis now,and this is going to be kind of
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disappointing to those who follow me becauseyou know, people try to put me
in a box. They hear demonologists, and so they think that, you
know, I'm either Catholic or I'msomebody that goes in and you know,
sings holy water. Nothing against anyof that. I'm just I'm kind of
a hybrid, okay, kind ofa hybrid. And Blade has been centered
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around the interconnectivities between the demonic andthe et and there is evidence that I
will quote here in a little bit, but there is evidence that suggests that
both of them are in fact masksof a sceneular intelligence. And this intelligence
is in largely it's it's in controlof a lot of things in our life
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and in this world. In thisworld, but even more than that,
it has evolved according to our awarenessof it. And so No, I
was just going to say, itsounds like whoever or whatever the senator is,
who can mask as as the thenegative side of society as well as
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the positive side. Where does thisfit in with religious philosophies? No,
Well, even right now, ifyou look at the evangelical researchers, they're
starting to come to a very startlingconclusion. Whatever we're dealing with, my
friend, as he clipsed the microcosmof known demonology, whatever this intelligence is,
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it does not obey any known ruleswithin demonological theory. What do you
mean, Ithaniel? Let me saylike this. I had a case study
not about two or three years agonow where an individual his father was a
famous remote viewer, and he wouldoften go out of body and it was
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almost like a UFO abduction. Hewould enter in this metallic room and his
guides would flank him on the rightand left sides. Well, you know,
they would give him insights, prophecies, and then when he would get
back into his body, he wouldthen call like a famous celebrity or a
local politician and give them poll numbersand insights into their campaign. Well,
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one night, his father went intoone of his sessions and everything was going
according to the protocol. However,when he arrived in this metallic room,
these beings had appeared to him,and at first blush they did look like
his guides. But when he wasthere, he started to look at them
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more intensely, and he noticed thatthere were certain features about them that did
not belong to his guides. Infact, it was almost like these beings
were trying to play the role withoutreally fulfilling it to the t. So
there were certain facial features, therewere certain aspects of the mask that did
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not belong to the original guides ofhis And this is fascinating, but this
will tell you where we are rightnow on the field. As soon as
he realized that these guys were justlying to him, they were deceiving him,
he said, they changed their appearance, and it's something that looked inhuman.
Next thing he knows, and thisis his son's testimony. Now,
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he said, next thing I know, he said, I was downstairs.
My father comes stumbling down the stairway. He's inconsoplable, he's white as a
she's why is a sheep? Andhe's crying his eyes out, he said,
he said, my father had amassive heart attack, and he said,
by the time we got himTo thehospital, there were subdermal scarifications from
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underneath the skin moving to the surfaceof religious ambulets. One religious annual there
were three of them, but onewas the star of David. The other
one was across but upwards towards hisneck there was an art Egyptian hieroglyph.
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So whatever we're dealing with, I'mleaning more towards sorcery or sorcerers in the
way that they are employing their ritualsand their symbolism. Do you think that
this is the historic fight between goodand evil? But that has been plagued
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upon this planet and we human sinceday one? Yes, And whatever we're
dealing with, they're playing by differentrules, my friend, and it took
me a while to get to thispoint, reading demonological literature, the book
Phenomenon Abduction, Phenomenon, the FetusSyndrome, all of the above, I
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tarted to realize that the reason they'replaying by different rules is because they're playing
a different game in much of whatwe've come to know as has been nearly
been propaganda employed by the phenomenon inan effort to evade us. And it's
just a it's a troubling aspect.How do we make the connection between a
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demons and daily in abduction. It'svery easy, It's very easy. So,
I mean, if you get backto the missing fetus syndrome, even
that phenomenon did not originate in upology, had originated in antiquity. Specifically,
not just an antiquity, but inthe sixteenth century when we started to have
the advent of what we're called dreamdemons. Essentially, women were going to
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be at night time and being inducedinto a dream like state, intoitequods in
manifest to them in the nightmare.Then it would assault them. And I'm
not going to get, you know, too deep into it. Yeah,
please don't, because we're a family. We're a family, right, Yeah,
definitely not gonna do that, butappreciate it. Yeah. So yeah,
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and they had the female The womanwould encounter this entity and then the
next day she would think, Okay, it's just a dream, there's just
a nightmare. And then while she'sat work, she looks down in the
our ligature, marks of our handsand wrists that directly correlate with a nightmare
she had the night before. Andto go even deeper here, we're starting
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to draw out what I considered tobe the multi pathology. That entity would
then possess the woman. Is itokay? If I say that, I
mean I don't. But it wouldthen possess the woman to the point that
she would start having different memories thatdid not belong to her experience. And
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so then what they would do isthese women would multiple women, they would
present themselves to the exorcists. Andmore than being possessed by the entity,
these women were known to have twopulses in the same body. How should
you have how can you have twopulses in the same to go, You're
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gonna catch it, brother, Whenyou see it, you're gonna be like,
oh my god. So the twopulses in the same body, even
more than that, two heart beatsin the same body. And when these
women were introducing themselves to the exorcist, they were possessed by the entity,
but they look to have been withchild, They look to have been pregnant.
Hence the two heart beats and twopulses. This, this phenomenon led
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demonologists to ask probably the most profoundquestion ever, at least in this field,
and that was is this woman possessedby the entity or is she pregnant
with it? That's a heavy question. It's a profound question, my friend.
And so what occurred there? Andthis is it's incredible because again,
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sometimes the phenomenon will slip up andwe can see beyond the veil, and
this this is one of those moments. Well, what happened was these women
were, you know, prisoning,like I said, presenting themselves to the
exorcism. When the exorcism was successful, the phenomenon took both the consciousness inside
of the woman and the fetus thatshe was pregnant with at the same time.
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That is in deemnology. But wewould know that right now as the
missing fetus syndrome in uphology. Butis there any evidence to support these claims,
any medical records or any substantial orphysical proof, because you know,
I hear where you're coming from,and I've known, I know after doing
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the show for thirty years. Anythingas possible. Right. However, new
people listening are saying, oh,come on, really, so how do
we how do we tell the peopleor how do we show the people that
yes, there is evidence to substantiatethese claims, Are there are there are
there medical records? Yes, interms of modernity, absolutely, their medical
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records. And the problem though thatwe're finding is that these doctors, kindecologists,
all of the above, they're notwilling to risk their careers to validate
research that they consider to be fringe. And we know that even the documentary
Extraordinary Seeding they discuss that in depth, almost ad nauseum in a way.
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But absolutely and so But regarding thesixteenth century d Luke phenomenon, what we
have are are basically then documenting itto the best of their ability without the
scientific method. But in terms ofmodernity, yes, we do have evidence
of that, both within the UFOabduction phenomenon and within the Inky By case
studies. Now, according to eufologists, there are over one hundred different species
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of aliens that are visiting this planetand are and are on this planet at
this very time. Is it possiblethat what we consider to be ets are
actually demons and that these ets havenothing to do with you know, somewhere
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out there but actually another dimension andwhen they manifest in this dimension into a
physical form that we have perceived themto be or have been given thought by
these ets or by these demons asto who they really are, not,
for example, they're not demons.Well you know, let's let's let's let's
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get the humans to call us aliensfrom another planet. Is this how in
your opinion they work? Well,I do believe they employ masks, they
do like to avail themselves, andthen they do what's called are two things
that they do. Number one,it's called the manufacturing of consent. In
number two, it's called perception management. But to your question, that is
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one theory that we are, infact dealing with demons that are masquerading as
the et. Now, I'm justgonna say this, there is evidence to
suggest that as well. I mean, if you look back at the beginning
of the UFO craze in the nineteenfifties, Yes, Georgia Danski, George
Hunt Williamson, most of these experiencersencountered these ets by virtue of building stone
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altars just like the pagan God's inantiquity, and making sacrifices. I mean,
even George Hunt Williamson, he wascontacting ets by virtue of a homemade
Wiji board, So there are interconnectivities. But again the phenomenon will employ masks,
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and I think that's where we areat. The field is okay,
how do we vet it? Well? You know on this show we have
something called commercials that we have totake. So please end by Nathaniel.
Thanks very much for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. X O Nation.
Our guest is Nathaniel Gillis. He'son Instagram the Nathaniel Gillis and also
on YouTube. Just get to YouTubeand type in Nathaniel Gillis. This is
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I'll take She's got the Devil.Welcome back to everyone. This is
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the excellent I am Rob McConnell,and you're listening to the excellon radio show
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on your hometown radio Classic twelve twentyand streaming around the world on Classic
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and much more. If you'd liketo find out more about Nathaniel, visit
his Instagram account that is the NathanielGillis, and he also has a YouTube
channel. All you need to dois just go to YouTube and type in
Nathaniel Gillis. All right, thiswhole thing with ets and a you know,
ET's and demons, no they thisseems to be well hard to believe
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that this has been going on forso long and we're just cluing in now.
That's a good point, and toa degree of witness researchers in the
field articulating the same thing. Theproblem is, my friend, that many
of us have been so focused onthe phenomenon's current incarnation i e. The
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E T right, that we've neglectedthe other case studies that preceded this new
incarnation. Case in point in whicherror literature. For those who are book
readers like I am, probably likeyou are, sir, You're very smart.
So I'm just assuming you know thatthat in which your literature, there's
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a book called aerosy a guy namedr. El Masters, and he's talking
this is so fascinating. He's nottalking about UFO abduction at allsoever, never
mentions that in the three hundred pagebook. But but he does talk about
instances where I'm just gonna call itthe phenomenon or the intelligence. The intelligence
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would abduct a witch out of herbed at night time, replace her with
the familiar spirit. So when thehusband gets up to get a glass of
water or something, he thinks hiswife is still with him, but the
intelligence would kidnap her, replace herwith the familiar spirit, fly her on
what we're considered to be and thisis the this is the classical term for
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it. Okay, demonic flights.And initially what what happened is they would
fly these witches is over to asabbot on like a hillside or on a
mountaintop, and then it would encountered, I'm just gonna say, encounter them.
It would be a bad grammar,but it would induce them into a
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physical encounter. How about that kindof skirt around that. But in doing
so, the witch thinks that sheis encountering and in dealing with either a
demon or a corpse and so thephenomenon is creating an entire theatrical production so
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as to play the role of thebelief system this witch is involved in.
And in this book by Ril Masters, he details a rather unique manifestation where
there's a crack in the mass becausewhat started happening was the technology the phenomenon
was employing. It was fuzzing inand out. And what was happening is
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that at once what was once ratherecubi or demons or corpses, These women
are looking around and they're not evenon a hilltop anymore. They have no
idea where they are. Furthermore,these were not corpses or demons. They
were being poked and prodded by metallicobjects that were taking ova and insanity them
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with fetuses. So this is anotherexample, just one example of the phenomenon
masking itself as demonic in order tohide from us, in order to devail
itself and its true nature. Whywould why would these entities or these demons,
why would they need to kidnap orsteal a fetus for what? Well,
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this gets back into the self replicationof species and into incubi and suck
you by literature. But the mostvalid theory I have heard to date is
that these beings are placing their consciousnessinto these fetuses and using them as biological
avatars. That is the, likeI said, the most valid and cohesive
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theory i've heard. All Right,So, why why would these demons use
humans instead of Well, apparently they'recoming in. They're doing their their own
dirty work, so to speak.Why would they have to incorporate their will,
their desire, their spirit into afetus if they have the ability to
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just do it on their own?Very good question. There's something about the
womb. I call it the mortalportal, but there's something about the human
womb they that they are after this. See, if we're going to look
at the phenomenon as a whole,it's difficult not to see the esoteric connection
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with it. I mean, ifwe go back into history, like I
said in the nineteen fifties, right, these beings were not manifesting to NASA,
They were not manifesting to physicists orastronauts. They were manifesting and responding
in seances. They were responding towhat are called earthen altars and esoteric rights.
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In moving even forward with that thought, if these beings are in fact
responding to incantations from ancient Mesopotamia.Then we see a nuanced version of esotericism
involved. Now, if that's thecase, it opens the door for what's
called fetus magic. Where this iskind of hard to believe too, but
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I mean still it's relevant. Butessentially what they were doing in antiquity.
This is from The Red Fez byFritz Kramer and The Golden Bow by James
Fraser, both are anthropologists. Butwe're talking about is the right of sorcery.
Where this gets back to why Ibelieve some of these are sorcerers and
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magicians. Where if the magician isdying, what he would do is he
would go and inciminate a woman witha fetus. Now we would consider that
to be an inch of us right, absolutely, but we didn't realize what
was occurring, and so he wouldinciminate her with the fetus. He would
dispossess his own body in common dearthat new fetus as a biological avatar.
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Matter of fact, there are someresearchers that believe this is exactly what happened
to Alistair Crowley. Matter of fact, anyways, I don't want to ramble.
Sometimes it's all right, it's almostlike it's demonic reincarnation. Yes,
yes, But something I've noticed isthat it seems that these demons aren't very
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smart, or they don't they're notvery technologically advanced, because if they have
to keep on stealing a fetus froma human, that means they do not
have the technology to replicate full,full fetuses using DNA. Correct, Which
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is that strange? You think aboutwhat I mean, even now in the
twenty first century. You know,we've created artificial wombs, and some say
that we've created fetuses in those artificialwombs for some reason, If these beings
are that far ahead of us,why are they still wanting to create what
I've considered to be an embryonic relationshipwith us? Exactly that? You know,
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that's the same question you can askabout cattle mutilation. Why keep on
white? You know, why keepon abducting all these cows? If you
can fly across the universe and gothrough wormholes and you're so highly technologically advanced,
one cow should suffice, absolutely,sir an Absolutely, great point.
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Yeah, and you have to stillthey're still doing these, you know,
catam emulations. So there are thingsthat make no sense whatsoever, and it's
sad because it Let me throw thisat your real quick brother, if I
may. Let's think about an intelligencethat has possibly been here since the dawn
of recorded history. Let's think aboutan intelligence that has evolved alongside of us.
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It is present with but absent fromnow. In the thousands of years
at least, that's conservative, thousandsof years of our existence and written history,
we have documented virtually nothing in termsof relevant data. We do not
know its origin, we do notknow its intent, we do not know
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its nature, we do not knowits real appearance. And so what kind
of intelligence could do that unless there'sa measure of control it has over us
as a species. You know what, I think I know exactly what's going
on. They're hiding right in plainsight, because if you read the Bible
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and other religious religious books, ittalks about the devil, it talks about
the negative side, it talks aboutthe Nephilim. You know, these ancient
texts are filled with these examples.Is it possible that we're so naive that
we believe we know everything, thatthe answers are right in front of us,
and yet we refuse to accept thembecause they're old yes, absolutely,
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And the great points are I'll takethat and I'll go a step further.
Please, we have researcher, Wehave researchers in the field that have spent
thirty five years studying only one incarnation. What they're doing to their own demise
is excluding case studies from an earliermask get employed in antiquity. So what
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do I mean by that, Well, let's look at this for a fitting
moment. We know for a factthat these beings have manifested as angels.
Yeah see doctor Collecturner's book Masquerade EveAngels. We know they've manifested as guides
that case study I mentioned previously.We know that they have manifested as ghosts
and DC's loved ones. And likeI said before, that the phenomenon evolves
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according to our awareness of it.We have fifty plus years, my friend
of us having the ability to testor quote test the spirits. If it
is dear At Edna, it's goingto act like dear At Edna. Its
knowledge and belief system will match dearAt Edna's historical record, right, And
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so there's a way that we canvet them. And so the phenomenon realized
that, and so in an effortto evade, it evolved and it introduced
a new character into the program,one that cannot be vetted, and that's
the eating. All right, Ican see where that has possibilities, but
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how do we prove it? Thisis what we need to do in order
to get a lot more people onboard, especially the scientific community, working
with the religious, different organizations.All right, well, I'm gonna let
you chew on that until we comeback from our final break. Great talking
to you, and Nathaniel Gillis isour guest xall Nation on Instagram the Nathaniel
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Gillis and he also has a YouTubechannel. Just go to YouTube and type
in Nathaniel Gillis. We'll be backon the other side as the Excellent continues
with yours truly from our broadcast centerand studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario,
Canada, on your hometown radio Classictwelve twenty and streaming around the world also
on Classic twelve twenty dot CA.I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be backed on
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the boy. I'll take my chances. Jesus the Devil went down to Georgia.
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He was looking for a soul ofsteel. He was in a bine
because he was way behind it.He was willing to make a deal when
he came across this young man sewingon a fiddle and playing it hot.
And the devil jumped up on ahickory dump said, boy, let me
tell you what. I guess youdidn't know it, but I'm a fiddle
player too, and if you'd careto take a dare, I'll make a
bet with you. Now you've playedpretty good, fiddle, boy, but
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give the devil his due. Ibet a fiddle of gold against your souldiers.
I think I'm better than you.The boy said, my name's Johnny,
and it might be a sin,but I'll take your bet. You're
going to regret because I'm the businesseveryban Johnny. Here's up your bowl and
player fiddle. Excellannation. We're talkingabout devils, We're talking about evil.
We're talking about, oh my gosh, the Darker side of the paranormal with
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my guest this hour, Nathaniel Gillis. And he's on Instagram, Nathaniel the
Nathaniel Gillis. And before we getback to Nathaniel, I just like to
remind everyone that the X Zone isnow from ten pm until midnight, which
means after Nathaniel, we have anotherguest coming on, who, by the
way, is a former police detectivewho has a team of investigators and is
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part of an organization throughout Canada andthe United States where only law enforcement officers
actually do investigations of the paranormal.So that is coming up after the top
of the hour. Nathaniel. Firstof all, before we go on,
I'd like to thank you for joiningus tonight, and can you tell us
about some of the research that's outthere going into the the darker side of
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demonology, in fact just demonology,because as far as I'm concerned, it's
all kind of really dark, Yes, sir, So, right now the
field is being dominated by Catholic demonology, which there's nothing wrong with that.
However, the phenomenon we're discussing tonighthas eclipsed that microcausing you know, there
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are certain rules that we were ledto believe they follow that they simply do
not follow. And so even evangelicalresearchers that I personally know that I'm friends
with, they're having to adjust theirmodel because if they're saying that these are
nepheline, then it starts to getinto a religious philosophy. Why would they
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First of all, how would theyknow when people will die? How can
they simulate? And these are justsome things that they're capable of, and
I can back these up with thecase studies. How can they simulate near
death experiences? How can they appeelsouls out of bodies? In all of
this it points to again an intelligencethat is playing by different rules. In
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much of these rules that we thoughtthey were playing by were merely the byproduct
of the mask they employed. Andso, like I said, evangelical researchers,
they're starting to realize that listen,if these are in fact demonic in
nature, you were in for itlike we were in for a battle,
because there is something completely different.Is it possible that we're trying to overthink
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the entire scenario, that we're usingmodern technology to try and solve ancient,
ancient mysteries. Yes, in toa large degree, what we're witnessing with
this intelligence is in fact ancient technology. I mean, think a look at
this for a second, my friend. If you look at the necromantic ritual
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Potamia, and in Biblical antiquity,one of them was called the Terrifyme and
this gets back into you know,building altars which they responded to and performing
these incantations. But in Biblical antiquity, in the Levant, there was a
necromantic ritual where the necromancer would goand dig up either he would dig up
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a corpse or he would go finda living person, and he would carve
the name of an unclean spirit intoa small piece of metal and implanted into
the body of an individual. Inthe consciousness of that entity would come and
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dear of that person's body in wearit as what's called us social skin.
Now again, in modernity we knowthat as the implant. But its root,
its origin, it is not foundagain, It's not found in just
technology, but it's rooted in thefertile soil of esotericism and sorcery. Now
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can I go a little bit furtherwith us? Oh yes, please,
Okay, Now, there is aThere was a group. It probably still
exists under a different name. Thenineteen fifties there was a group called the
Collins Elite, and I know alot of people in ufology frown on them
for certain reasons, which I canunderstand to a degree. But the Colons
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Elite were a part of the Departmentof defense. Many of them were physicists,
but their goal was to search outany and all interconnectivities between uphology and
the occult. And one of theexperiments they ran it's phenomenal. But what
they did is they went to Englandand they scooped up soil samples found in
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authentic crop circles. They put themunderneath the microscope and they documented a unique
energy signature and a cellular anomaly inthat sample. They then went into their
laboratory, hired a practitioner of sorceryor magic, and asked them to read
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incantations from this grim wire that theyhad in an effort to physically or spiritually
harm someone. It's gonna blow yourmind. They blew my mind at least,
and once the incantation was successful andthe phenomenon manifested, they then went
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around that laboratory and collected samples.Some of them were soil, but anyways,
they compared these soil samples and othersamples from the environment. They compared
the environment with the incantations to thesoil from the crop circle, and they
discovered that they both shared the ideacellular anomaly in the identical energy signature.
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This led them to believe that notonly were these beings manifesting to earth and
altars and to practitioners of magic,but that there is a major portion of
what they're doing that consists of darksorcery, which I will refer back to
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the case study where they carved religiousamulets into the flesh. So it's all
pointing in that direction. Is thereany connection with in your opinion, with
the the increased number of demonic sightings, demonic possessions, general sociological interest in
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demons, and the hydron collider toa degree, To a degree, it's
disturbing because, okay, even ourfederal government is trying to do what they're
trying to do over there. Essentially, the idea is, if we can
open up a portal, if wecan build an altar that's big enough,
right, if we can say anincantation that's successful enough, these beings will
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enlighten us and give us certain whatare called magical technologies. This gets back
into Jack Parsons an Allister Crowley.The problem is, and this is what
the Colins Elite discovery. The problemis when we think we're under when we
think that we have them under ourcontrol, what we're realizing is that we
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are being manipulated and that they havebeen in control the entire time. Let
me ask you something here. Alot of people who investigate the dark side
of the paranormal claim that holy waterand religious heart effects have a protective value
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when it comes to personal attacks oreven exorcisms. If these people, okay,
people, God, I'm giving themmore credit than they deserve. If
these creatures are so powerful, whywould holy water or a crucifix or even
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a prayer affect them? Well,if you looked out, Okay, So
this is very interesting. Now,there was a Franciscan priest named Father sent
astroidan Nino, and he was dealingwith incuby case studies where these beings were
carving ambulets underneath people's eyelids. Butone day, when he was on his
way home from dinner, he wason a dirt road and according to his
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testimony, a demon manifested in frontof him, and he used his holy
water, employed all of his annuletsin nothing worked, absolutely nothing, And
so he was forced to categorize thisentity. And this is so funny to
me personally, I think it's hilarious. As a pagan demon religion defines what's
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demonic, but it was a pagandemon And so what we're realizing, I
mean, you know, there arebeings that seemingly and this is a very
conservative way of saying it, butthey seemingly follow those roles. And the
problem is this that you have anentire religious movement that bases the validity of
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their doctrine on the success of theirexorcisms. Meanwhile, and this is a
fact. Meanwhile, we have casestudies where during investigations, the priests will
go into the haunted house put avial of holy water in a room in
while they're trying to collect EBPs.That entity is siphoning the holy water right
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out of the vile. Am.Sure, we're playing by different rules,
you know what. You've just puta whole new spin on the you know,
the immaculate conception, Yes, interms of the incubay or you know,
the immaculate conception of Mary and thebirth of Christ. Absolutely, my
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friend. Yeah, and it doesseem to be it doesn't seem to be
afterlife phenomenon. Me. Even inEgyptology they had what's called the image of
the invisible, and that is exactlyI think what we're seeing in anyways.
But yeah, so that's what Ibelieve is occurring is I know we've got
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to wrap it up here in alittle bit, but these beings are playing
by different rules because they're playing adifferent game. And the problem that we're
having right now on the field iswe're ignorant of the game. Well,
I think I think part of theproblem is is that, like you were
saying, they don't play by ourrules because they're playing with in my opinion,
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they're playing with techniques and manifestations thatare totally out of our sphere of
comprehension, absolutely, sir, andsadly enough. And people need to understand
where I'm coming from. I grewup in the evangelical movement. My dad
is a pastor. Wow, AndI've lost a lot of evangelical friends because
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I'm trying to get them to realizethat if these beings are in fact demons,
then we have to stretch our wehave to grow out of the dogma
and grow into the data. Andyou know, they're capabilities, it's beyond
the modern conception of the demonic.We've got about a minute that I'd like
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you to share a message with theexplanation and enlighten them within that minute on
what they can do in case theybelieve they feel that they are part of
a demonic or a demon's wish,you know, to manifest and to take
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over one well. First of all, for the sake of research, document
anything and everything you can. Secondof all, there is one common thematic
element both in history and in modernity. It is the thing that they are
the most afraid of, at leastaccording to the data, and that is
iron iron iron, either iron anulets. I recommend an iron cross and I
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can give you case studies, butwe don't have time. We don't have
time now, but we'll certainly haveyou back in the future. Nathaniel,
I want to thank you so muchfor joining us, and just keep the
great work up and keep us abreastof what's happening. And if there's any
earth shattering demonic research that brings upsome information to light that would be of
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a great asset to our audience.Got a hold of me, and we'll
get you on as soon as wecan. Yes, sir, thank you
again for having me on. Itwas wonderful, my great pleasure. To
take care of yourself. Be safe, you see, bye bye. Now.
Nathaniel Gillis has been our guest thishour exonation and if you'd like to
find him on Instagram, it's theNathaniel Gillis and on YouTube just type in
Nathaniel Gillis. I'll be back onthe other side of this commercial break as
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