October 14, 2025 • 52 mins
Cullen and Mason chat with Beau Bokan from Blessthefall. They chat about Beau's history with the band, their new album, and Beau's most influential albums.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yet Yelly.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today we've got Bo from Bless the Fall super excited
to chat with you.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Bo.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'll be honest, I don't know if we Colin and
I have done two hundred plus episodes now, I don't
know if we've ever interviewed somebody who was shirtless at
the time, and so this might be the first shirtless
interview we've ever done, just saying.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah, there's a few I can think of that I
would wish we're shirtless, but but you're you're You're on
the top of that list.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thanks dude. I am on this campaign for twenty twenty
five to abolish T shirts.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So you're there of lead vocalists.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I like it. I like it. Yeah, yeah, the machine
part two.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, if you run for re election, then you're
gonna have to, like and you've already accomplished the abolished
the T shirts, then like the only extra, you know,
the only other thing you could run on is like
maybe abolishing pants for the balls.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, that could be next. There's a lot of there's
a lot of you know, push I get a lot
of ads for like the ball treummers, the like.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Oh yeah, the man things or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So you know what I mean that could go along
with it, maybe like some kind of partnership there you go.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, there is a new sponsor by the way,
So if you would like to get off of landscapes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I wish run a position every money, that'd be great awesome. Well,
how before we dive into bus the fall stuff, how
you doing today, bo? What's what's life treating you?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, you know, it's kind of if you guys want
to kind of get a little bit personal. We're doing
some uh construction on our home, and so right outside
of our windows is giant machines that are drilling into
their rocks. So at about seven am, it's like pure chaos.
It sounds like I'm more outside. It's like so I'm
(02:15):
just like awake, ready to go make my coffee. I'm
just uh yeah, just hanging out. Hence I didn't have
time to even pretty sure on.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
How close to the coast are you. Are you worried
about the potential impending tsunamia?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh no, no, no, We're up on a mountain. We're
far away beautiful. If anything, I'm worried about people like
everyone running up here to like take cover. You have
plenty of room. We got plenty of room bring them up.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, but let's let's talk about you know, obviously we
will want to eventually talk about the new album, but
before we dive into that, yeah, I'd love to just
kind of hear your own history and the music. So
maybe even before talking about like getting into bus Fall,
I'd love to hear just kind of like what made you?
What inspired you to be a person that sings for
a living man?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's a great question. I was always into music and
I agree. I loved Michael Jackson growing up, which is brilliandom.
I used to watch he has a VHS tape back
then it was called Moonwalker, and it was like all
like music videos and really cool skits. He did all
(03:25):
these like skits. So I had this whole storyline and
I watched this like NonStop, like all the time, popped
it and binged it and front to back, and so
that was like one of the things where I'm like, okay,
you know. My mom was always like you should sing.
I'm like no, no, no, it's fine, Like i I'm
not met, you know what I mean. Like she my
(03:47):
mom was always like you're like such a you're such
a ham like around friends. You're always like, you know,
putting on these voices and singing and like, you know,
and I'm like, but when it came your mom called you.
I ham my mom. Yeah, she was like, you're such
a like you know you you could do this, you know,
like you have something. I'm like, oh, I know. I'm like,
that's not for me. I was just you know, at
(04:08):
the same time, I was an extrovert around my friends,
but an introvert otherwise, so I wouldn't you know. She
took me to go audition for this musical and I
like freaked out, didn't get out of the car. So
it just took a lot of just me figuring that
out that I could do that, you know, like that
maybe that's possible. And yeah, it was a long it
(04:32):
didn't happen un till way later. It was like I
went saw and then I saw Blank one a Too.
Was my first concert ever. It was like a small show.
There's probably like eight hundred people there, but I crowdsurfed,
I stage dove, I did all the things and I'm
like this, this is awesome, you know, like this.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Wait, what year would have that have been?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like I'm trying to think the last time blank onin
eighty two would have only played.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
To eight probably like ninety seven. Dud Anch had just
come out. Wow wow Wow Yeah, jud Anciud like just
come out, damn. It was like starting to to like
hit the charts and stuff like that. And I was
into you know, like skate punk at the time, so
like No Effects, lag Wagon, strung Out, you name it,
and Blink was my first show ever. So that was
(05:13):
like I remember just daydreaming about that show. Like the
next day at school, I was like, oh my god,
like what did I just experience? And I was like
kind of always chasing that like thing of like I
want to make other people feel the way I felt
that night, you know what I mean. It was like
this really special moment, and so I was like I
(05:35):
got to figure out what I can do. I was
playing hockey at the time, so I was like super
into hockey. It was like super dedicated to hockey. But
music was always you know, had band posters on my
walls and stuff like that, and my mom was like,
you never have like hockey posters on your wall, and
you like like yeah, but like you know, these music's
really cool and you know, these guys are rat so anyway,
(05:55):
my mom started noticing, like, oh, you're getting Wayne into music,
you know, and uh. And then at one point I
was like when my hockey career ended, I was like,
I want to start a band. And so I try
to like convince all my friends to start a band
with me, and they're like, well, what can you do.
I'm like, I can try to sing. I don't know.
They're like, you can't sing. We've never just sing once?
Like what do you mean. I'm like, no, no, like,
(06:17):
let me try this out. So we started a band.
It was called Take the Crown. It was like kind
of punk punk, skate punk adjacent. I don't know. It
was just like fast beats. And I was awful. I
was so bad. And I my drummer at the time
was a good friend of mine and he was going
to he went to school to learn how to record,
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to be an engineer, and he recorded us and I couldn't.
I was like, dude, I'm so bad. Like everyone was
just like, yeah, I don't know me lessons or something
like you know, it's they agreed with you. Oh yeah,
they were like, yeah, you're like pretty bad, but like,
you know, you know, work on it. And so you know,
it was like trial by fire. I was just like
in you know, doing shows and I wouldn't face the crowd.
(07:03):
I would like face the drum kid and just be like,
you know, really shy. But it was like something I
wanted to do, so I kind of just forced myself
to do it. And yeah, years went by like that
and got yea. I started taking vocal lessons. The band
members changed, the style changed of the music, you know,
style the music change, and uh, we got a manager,
and then we got signed to Rise Records and put
(07:25):
an album out through Rise, and and we recorded our
demos with with Chris. He's in Saoson He's a bas
player for Sarsen and in Bo's studio, Bo Burchelle who
you know records, he's a producer and all that. So
we borrowed his studio and Chris was trying to learn
how to be a producer and engineering. He put me
(07:46):
through like boot camp, like vocal boot camp. Like I
would be in there and he'd be like sing it
like this, and he would sing, he would do the
notes and he would play the notes on the keys,
and I'm like, okay, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It was like so between that and like going to
vocal lessons and stuff and having some coaches, and I
just started kind of finding my own voice. And yeah,
the band we toured and you know, didn't do great,
but over here sorry a place.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So something I've noticed often is that for tenor singers
like yourself, Yeah, they don't generally find their voice until
quite a bit later on. M Was that kind of
the same for you. Were you trying to sing lower
initially or something like that, and then all of a
sudden You're like, holy cow, I've got this register up
(08:35):
here that just kills for sure?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
For sure? Yeah, it was. It was like, yeah, I
just couldn't find my pocket, my comfort zone. And I
think working with Chris and doing those demos with him,
I was like, oh, I can sing kind of high.
This is kind of crazy, you know what I mean.
I was like, Oh, that's you know, but I had
to figure out how to get up there naturally without
(08:59):
forcing it. Yeah, which, I you know, I think I'm
still learning, you know, like I've at the even at
this stage, I feel like I'm learning techniques where I'm like, oh,
I can do this, especially live when I'm like gassed
at you know, towards end of a show, we're playing
Hey Baby last and it's like the highest registered song
of all time and and so yeah, it was, uh,
(09:21):
it was just I think just through that that I
learned like, yeah, where my comfort zone is and where
I fit in. But it even it's it is really
nice to sing to sing lower and having those moments,
and I've learned the opposite now is to pull back
when it's you know, when it's called for for sure?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What inspired you to start screaming in particular? What like,
was there maybe an album and artists that you started
listening to and you were like, oh, that in particular
I want to do like that was there or or
or is that something where you just like the music
that you were making with the band, Like did you
demand that? Or I'm just curious, like what inspired you
to start learning on the screen.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, Jared does all the screaming in the band, So I, oh,
that's right. I'm like off the hook there, but I
do stuff live and I have been actually working on
sounding better because there's uh, he just has so much
to do that like I'm like, hey, i'll take this line.
I'll take this line, and I don't one hundred percent
know what I'm doing. Sometimes it sounds great and I'm like, whoa,
(10:21):
what was that? And I'm like and I try to
recreate that, and then it sounds like shit. I'm like,
oh no, like what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So I think I think what Mason was trying to
get at is you have you have quite a few
vocal lines where you you take it up a notch
where you kind of get like an in between yeah, screams.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, kind of kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah. I think that's more more what Mason was trying
to get at, because obviously, yeah, the scream the screaming
vocals are great, but the almost like singing scream that
you do every once in a while is yeah, it's
it's very unique. It's very very cool, and especially live,
you hear a lot more live than you do on
the record.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's fun. Like I you know,
bands like Thrice was the first band I ever listened
to that had singing and screaming. I was like, oh,
this is a thing, Like this is cool, you know
what I mean. I didn't know it was it was
even a thing like I listened to like Minor Threat
and stuff like that. But like that's a different kind
of like shout, you know what I mean, It's right,
(11:19):
But Thrice was the band that really bridged that gap
for me of like metal and punk into like more
hardcore type stuff. And then I started listening to just
got heavier and heavier progressively, like my tastes from there
for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, So how did you how did you get hooked
up with the Blessed the Fall Guys? What was that
whole process like for you, because obviously there's been there's
been some you know, some changeover in that and the
the clean vocals department of Blessed the Fall and some
interesting shoes to fill. Uh and uh. I think most
people would say that you are the person you are,
(11:59):
like kind of like the the voice, the clean voice
of Blessed the Fault. Even though there's been other great vocalists,
you are the one that they think of.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, it's that's cool, Like I you know, it took
a little bit to kind of own that. But it
was my roommate at the time worked for Blessed Fell's
record label. My old band were kind of slowing down,
you know, and she would she was she would tell
me about Blessed Fell she'd be like, hey, like, there's
(12:27):
this band blah blah blah, and so I kind of followed
their career and so I knew when they kicked their
singer out and everything else, and she's like, you should
try out. I'm like, well, you know, I have this
other band. I can't just leave them, you know that
kind of thing. And and so they through the process
of them trying people out, and then my band just
kind of, you know, things just kind of like slowly
(12:51):
digressing with like the label stopping tour support, and you know,
we weren't really selling albums and we were just like
kind of just scraping by, you know. I was like, fine,
you know, like okay, I'll try out for bust of all.
And then she was like, oh, I think they found
a guy. They like they're I think they found someone.
I'm like, oh, all right, well whatever. So I was
like wrapping my head around like what was next, and
(13:13):
then she hit me up and was like, hey, actually,
like they want you to come out and try out.
I'm like, oh, okay, sick like, so they flew me out.
I learned probably I think three of their songs off
his Glass Walk. And then they also had sent a demo.
It was for a song called to Helen Back, well
it wasn't called that that yet, but a song that
(13:34):
was eventually gonna be called to Hella Back. And I
wrote the like an intro chorus type thing for that song.
And so when they tried you know, when we tried
out and I had sang the old songs and then
I was like, actually, I have like some I wrote
for this if you guys want to check it out.
And so they played to hell Back and I sang
my parts like this look like you know, the chorus
(13:55):
or whatever, and they were all kind of like, you know,
I could kind of see that there was like something there,
and Eric just goes like you want to do this?
I'm like, do what? Like I thought he meant like
practice was over or something, you know, And I'm like
he's like, you're you got the part man of like
you want to be in the band. I'm like, sick, yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I don't I don't think people understand how big a
balls that takes to come in with a part that
you wrote for a demo that they've already done it
and you're like no, no, no, like just just just
hear me out on this like that, because you don't
know what the dynamic of that band necessarily is for sure,
and you're just going to walk in and be like,
here's here's my creative input. Yeah that's that's not a
(14:38):
very common thing. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, it takes. I think it was at that point
I had just said, like, you know, what's the worst
that can happen? Like, my band is like pretty much toast.
This is like a bonus, you know what I mean.
So there were there was no I didn't really feel
that any sort of pressure, Like I just feel like
this is this is fun, you know, and like what's
(15:02):
the worst case scenario? They don't like it. I go
back home and it is what it is. I move
on with my life. So I think for them, And
I know Eric said this too. He was like when
you He's like, yeah, anyone can kind of sing the
old songs and sound like our old singer or whatever,
but like when you showed us that you could actually
write something cool that we enjoyed, that was the winner
(15:25):
for us. We're like, because that's the hardest part is like,
once you can sing all the old songs, that's karaoke
but when you get in the studio and you have
to write something good and and to Hell and Back
ended up being the first song we put out and
with you know, announcing me as the new singer. So
it was really special and I think for all of us, like,
(15:46):
you know, I get the chills. So sometimes I was like,
we're all like in the room, we like hugged, and
we're like we knew this was sort of the beginning
of something that could be really cool. And they found
you know, Eric and my kids signed up for college.
They were about to go back to college or go
to college rather. They were like yeah, they they had
signed up and had to like go cancel their classes
(16:06):
that day and they're like oh shit, Like they were
like admitting defeat at that point. Like, like I said,
that was a that was a moment for all of
us where like, yeah, whatever, let's just see what happens
like and and it you know, something amazing came from it.
So it's it was a really cool moment and we
we all kind of realized like, oh shit, okay, we're
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gonna do this, like this is the start of something cool.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Did you do that audition shirtless as well?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I did. I did nice. It was in Arizona. You're like,
you have to of course I was sweat. I was
sweating the second I got off the plane.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Does it does it really feel like you know, I've
never I'm neither Colin and I've ever been in bands.
But I'm kind of curious, like when you do something
like an audition, does it really actually feel like a
job interview?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
A little bit? A little bit, I mean, and that
is the first Spain I've ever auditioned for, So it
was like it felt like, man, it felt like just
it almost felt like going on a date rather than
a job interview. Oh, You're like, do I get along
with this person? Do we have things in common? Are
we compatible? You know? Like and all those things checked out,
(17:20):
like our sense of humor, you know, as a band,
like we we all are jokes. Immediately, we like understood
each other. We kind of dressed the same, which is
really funny, you know what I mean. Like that's all
you know, when you go on to the day, you're
looking for somebody that's you know that you can get along,
and you're like, can I hang out with this person?
You know, like you know all the time, is that
(17:42):
gonna is that gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's like someone I saw this thing. It was like,
I will never date outside my music musical genre, like
if I have you know what I mean, my musical
taste or something. And it was like really funny because
you're like, yeah, if you like date someone who's like
super into only into country music, like I don't, Oh god,
I don't know that it's gonna work. You know, I
(18:04):
don't think I could be pretty tough. So yeah, it was.
It was more like a blind day than you know,
even an audition. It was like, yeah, how are these guys?
You know, how do I vibe with them? And we
hit it off immediately. We're like, yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well it sounds like it ended with a kiss.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
More than a kiss, more than kiss. Already I got
the home base pretty great. Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Colin and I have interviewed a number of musicians where
especially when it comes to like singers that come into
the band after the band has already had like an
original singer, and I know that that can kind of
be an interesting dynamic for the new singer. At what
point did you feel like Blessed the Fall kind of
became your own, Like what I'm sure at some point,
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you know, especially early on, it kind of felt like maybe, hey,
I'm still like kind of the new guy, and you
might even had, you know, maybe had fans that were
sort of like, oh, I just wish the old guy
was around still. But like, at what point did you
sort of feel like, oh, like this is this is
my band? Like there or they like you felt like
I'm like a core part of this now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I mean they made me feel very comfortable right
off the bat. They made me you know. They were
never like hey, the old guy used to do this
or this is what he would you know what I mean.
They never they were always like you're so much cooler then,
you know. They were like very like we're so stoked here,
and you know, I just brought I just brought my
(19:38):
own energy. And the band was like uh. We were
recording and doing demos at first out in Coast to Mesa,
and I was in California and I was living in
huns And Beach, so I would take them to all
my favorite spots to eat and I just felt like
I was like showing them who I was, and they
were like just blunt, they were like this is so cool,
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like everything. I took them on, like a high school
swimming pool that we would go to at like one
in the morning and like go swim there, and they
had never done anything like that. So I felt like
I was just bringing my own brand of you know,
my own energy to the band, and they were like
accepting it and being stoked on it. And then, you know,
our first few shows we played were I think we
did like five shows, and I think after the last show,
(20:26):
the home shows in Arizona, I felt like, Okay, this
is like our thing. I don't feel like I'm trying
to be somebody else, you know. I think like it
took a few shows, you know, like just to get comfortable.
I feel like I was like, you know, in the
driver's seat a little bit, and yeah, after those it
was like okay, sick and then yeah, and then we
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went and did Witness and I felt like I was again,
you know, it's my band, it's our band. You know,
we're doing this together. It's like, you know, we're not
trying to rehash what you've already done. And yeah, so
I'd say like fairly quickly, I felt like, you know,
here's here's me, here's my personality. I hope you guys
(21:08):
like it, and even on stage and like talking to
the crowd, and you know, the energy that we brought.
I think like all that kind of kind of came
into play with just making it my own thing, not
my own, but our our thing as a whole. That's special.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
You know, Yeah, your your particular formula.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yes, my flavor, shirtless flavor.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So another kind of interesting thing about like Blest the
Fall is like around the time, especially around the time
that you enter the picture in the band, like you know,
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine is sort
of what it feels like kind of the height of
the like you know, quote unquote like metal course. Yeah,
like it just that's when it like was I mean,
obviously had been growing by that point, and there had
(21:57):
been some really big albums by that point or even
prior to you even getting into Bless the Fall, But
you know, it really feels like two and nine twenty
ten kind of feels like the height of or at
least my perception of it is that was kind of
the height. And did it feel like that for you, Like,
did it feel like those were like some of the
biggest shows or I'm just curious like for you being
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in the band, Like when did it feel like, Okay, wow,
we are like like I'm sure like kind of one
of those things where like you're just getting thrust into
something where like you're immediately now playing into in front
of a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
That would be my perception of it, but I could
be wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah. It's funny because our first show was at a
pizza shop in the basement and Jerry's Pizza. It's like
this legendary did you.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Get free pizza?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Oh yeah, that's why I felt like we made it.
I'm like, dude, if I'm getting free pizza, man, I'm
here for as long as possible. Yeah, it was. It
was in a basement. There's probably it could probably fit
two hundred people in there maybe, Like it's like the
ceilings here, you know. I was like literally like putting
(23:01):
my hand on the ceiling and the energy was insane
and the adrenaline was was unreal, you know what I mean,
Like just all these feelings of like holy shit now,
and I'm seeing seeing people sing songs that I'm singing
back to me. I'm that's never ever happened. So it
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was all like all this stuff was happening at once,
and I remember going off stage again, we all hugged.
I remember all of us hugging and we were like,
oh my god. We all just like grabbed each other
and were like, yeah, we're just drenched and sweat. Right,
it's like the hottest show you can imagine. And yeah,
just that I was like, this is the this is
(23:44):
the moment, right, like, this is makes me feel like
I'm where I'm supposed to be. Didn't feel like I
was feeling in some of the's shoes, you know what
I mean. It felt like this was our thing now
and we're bringing this our own energy, and uh, yeah
it was. It was a moment I'll never forget, Like
I feel like it was yesterday for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Ye how much of the how much of the writing
process would you kind of take as your own these days?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Writing process? Yeah, I mean definitely lyrics, melodies, screaming patterns,
a big chunk of this really. Yeah. Nice, And I
mean Jared writes stuff as well. But I feel like
when I'm in there and I'm hearing the music, I'm like, hey, Jared,
what about like a you know, I'm right here, bitch,
(24:33):
you know, like, what about that it's like cool and
uh no, it's it's it's a big chunk for sure.
And I have to credit our producers for and our engineers,
you know, for like being able to take what we're
doing and and and refine it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'll come with a melody, it'll come with some ideas,
and it is still a group effort. Like when they
it will be like, hey, that lyrics, I feel like
you can do better there, you know, like maybe like
that one's a little like lame without saying lame, but
you know, it's like that's what they're getting at. So yeah,
it's it's yeah, I do all the melodies and lyrics
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and screaming patterns as much as I can, and you know,
the boys hop in after that and kind of help
refine it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Interesting. Yeah, I've not heard of I've not heard of
of someone who isn't the one screaming picking over some
of the patterns for the screaming vocals. That that's impressive.
Also some incredible screaming patterns or I guess rhythms. How
do you want to say? Yeah, really really impressive stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, it's really really impressive stuff to a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, it's like I think for me, I feel the
energy of the song. I feel the momentum and how
it works, and I can, you know, if I'm writing
the lyrics anyway, I can like at you know, add
my my take on it. You know, even though I'm
not screaming, I can It's rhythm. It's still it's just rhythm.
It's like rapping, you know, like I could probably rap
at this point. So it's like you just feel in
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the rhythm and how it moves and where you know
things would would you know if there needs to be
staccato or whatever the case is, and uh yeah, it's
it's super fun. It's super fun to do.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Can you can you prompt us into that for a moment?
Like how would you how would you say? Oh, yeah
that that uh that screamline sounds pretty good. But go
is that how you do it?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Exactly where like yeah, you're just hearing it and you're like,
you know, yeah, you just feel where it fits in.
And then someone goes like whoa, but like what if
it went you know, and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, cool,
you know I was like, it's just everyone's kind of
insights and tastes all come into play and super fun
and our producer for this album, Hire Hernandez, is super talented.
(26:59):
Uh can play every instrument, can sing can you know?
I don't know. He's incredible And so coming to him
with our ideas and him going like he'll get on
the mic, you know, be like, I know you're saying
it this way, but like what if you went like,
I'm like, whoa, Okay, I didn't see that coming, you know.
So that's where having a great producer can come into play.
(27:24):
They just take what you're doing, amplify it, refine it,
make it, take it to that next level. He's like
an extra band member. So there's you know in a way.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
So yeah, yeah, well talking about talking about Gallows here
from my ear personally, yeah, it definitely lands in a
goldilocks zone in terms of the music production, where you
have some very well produced parts that have that are
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very polished, and then you have parts that are not
as polished, and that is exactly what the scene needs.
That's what that's what this kind of music deserves. If
it's too polished. Mason and I harp on this all
the time, and we despise it because it feels so
inhuman or what do you want to call it, you know, ingenuous. Yes,
(28:23):
this feels very very genuine. It follows a very very
fine line where it's not too polished, but the parts
where it needs to be really really polished it is.
And that is that's a very very big breath of
fresh air from from Mason and I's ears. Would you
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would you say that that was kind of like the
intention going in with that and is that what Hiro
was looking at and trying to do as well?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Definitely, most definitely he can make something sound pristine and
you know, robotic almost sometimes like just really clean, and
but he can also make it sound disgusting where it
needs to be, which was what we wanted. Was Gallows
is actually the next song we're putting out the album
(29:09):
titled song, and it's got some gross parts where you're
just like, oh yeah, and you just feel you know
what I mean, it's just like and then the chorus,
you know, you want your chorus to store and be
you know, anthemic and everything else, and he did a
great job of that. So that was definitely the case
where we wanted it to have like the grime where
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it needed it, but also sound up to date. You know,
It's like, I think there's a careful balance of like
you know, some people are released trying to sound vintage
these days and maybe at to a fault where you're like, oh,
it sounds you know, it just doesn't sound good. You're
making it sound bad on purpose. But you know, for us,
we're like, we need that balance. We need to improve
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and show you know, evolution, an evolution of the band
and and without you know, compromising. I think like our
fans are always at the forefront of what we do.
Obviously we want to be happy with what we do,
which we are. And but you know, the fans are
buying tickets to the shows, they're streaming your music. And
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you know, there was a band at Warp Tour I
won't name that. It was like we wrote this for
us and only for us, and because we wanted to
do this for ourselves, we owed it to ourselves and
this and now I'm like, all right, but at the
end of the day, like you're not buying your own record,
you know what I mean, You're not writing to come
to your band play. I understand you want to enjoy
the music you play, you always should, but the fans
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have been around for years for a reason. They want
to hear your sound. They are fans of your sound,
so we try to stay true to that and capture
recapture our sound, but with like an updated, you know,
version of us, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah, I like that you. I like that you
put it back to the fans and not that you're
like trying out to go out and you know, appeal
to a super mass market or anything like that. Yeah.
I was thinking back to your Malkre video and uh,
there's one scene in there where, by the way, I
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laughed like twenty times, there's one there's one scene in
there where the gal goes, what if they're butt rock?
I feel like that might be a shot fired across
a bow of a lot of bands in the scene
that that you guys would have come up with. And
(31:37):
I I appreciate, Uh, you know, the no no punch
is held there because you're not I don't know if
you want to call it selling out or whatever, but
you're not selling out. You're staying true to yourselves. You're
staying true to an older sound with with with modern updates,
with uh more refined techniques and everything like that. I
(31:59):
appreciate that to the degree. Also that music video was
not only hysterical, but just really really really good.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Thank you, I appreciate it. It was, Yeah, it was.
You know, I'm not trying to offend anyone, but it's
just for us. There's so many bands that abandon their sound,
they abandon the fans. They don't care. They're just trying to,
you know, make sure that they get some radio play,
which is fun. Like that's the careers, right, it's their livelihoods.
(32:31):
And I understand some bands really want to hit make
it to that next level. And I would love to
as well, trust me, like I have, I would love
to be to play an amphitheater, you know what I mean.
I love to like headline or an area like that'd
be cool. But at the same time, you risk you
run the risk of abandoning your fan your fan base.
(32:51):
And it's like, yeah, that is a huge role of
the dice. And because if you don't make it, you've
now alienated all your fans and have the po are
coming to watch you play, right, you know what I mean?
Like that hit didn't really hit and yeah, and so
I think for us, like if we have a hit,
it's gonna be something that sounds authentic to us, like
a Hey Baby or you know something like that, where
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like that's we enjoy playing that kind of music. We're
not doing it because we're trying to get on the radio.
We're just like, let's write a fun summer banger, you
know what I mean. Like it's awesome, it's so cool
and so it you know that in like forty days
and even like our newest song that we did with
Dan from Thur of the Year fell so hard, Like
those still seem authentic to us, but at the same time,
(33:37):
you could hear something like that on the radio, but
it still has our sound, you know, And I think
I think we have a rite of passage to that now,
which is pretty cool, Like hey baby, kind of open
that up for us to be able to like throw
a couple of those on the record, you know, like
I said, without sounding like we're trying, you know, too
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hard to write some kind of radio single or something.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, video that I had seen and I don't remember
it was Coachella or something like that, but Bringing Me
the Horizon was playing, and like, you know, it's a
fan perspective video and there's this this girl that's that's
running the camera and everything, and she's like pointing at
her friend and all of a sudden, bring Me the
(34:23):
Horizon goes back to like an original song, like from
the early early days, and this girl is like up
on the shoulders of one of her friends and she's
like dancing, and then the song comes on and she goes,
what the fuck is this because it was just it
was so much heavier and so much more so much
more scene, I guess you could say, than what she
(34:44):
was used to. And they promptly left. So you're not Yeah,
you're not selling out to a specific crowd, you're not
selling out to the radio. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, And you know, there's nothing, like I said, I
don't want to offend anyone that that you know, is
their careers. They're trying to it's their livelihood. They're trying to,
like you know, make make a living off of it,
which is amazing. But I feel like if we ever,
if we ever hit it on the radio, it'll be
just you know, by accident, it'll be just because it's good,
(35:16):
because a good song that we had fun writing.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Like with this new album, it does kind of feel like,
you know, if if, for example, somebody listened to Witness
back in two thousand and nine and then for whatever
reason stop listening to you guys for these last sixteen years,
but then they get back into listening Gallows like it
is one of those things where my my guess is
the way that they would think about it is oh
like that sounds like less yeah, bust of all.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Stuck, like they wouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, Like it's just like that still is blessed the
Fall to its core, and like, I don't think you
guys have moved too far from what your core sound is,
like whatever you would describe that as, but whatever that is,
you haven't moved too far from that.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Like you kind of know what.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Works well, you know what's true to clearly, like true
to what the fans really would love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's been it's been fun doing
that for this album too, because it's like it's like
an updated you know, nice uh you know, it's just
a current version of what we we've always done. And
I don't know, I think people listen to us for
that reason, and it's like, Okay, we're gonna give you
that but it's gonna be bigger and better, that's all.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah. Well, speaking of your your voice in particular has
held up just about better than anyone's voice in the
heavy music scene i've ever heard. Is there is there
something that you're doing to keep your voice in that level?
Are you? You know, taking a dreama chrome or something
like that? How doing is that? Is that what Jerry's
(36:50):
pizza was all about? You guys were were doing.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Pizza so funny, it's very niche. No, I mean, I
take I try to take care of it on the road.
I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't Honestly,
the worst thing for me, the hardest part for me
is not is trying not to talk a lot on tour.
And I just love friendship and I love like hanging
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out and so when we have friends come out and
I'm like, fuck, I gotta like watch my voice. I
gotta go to bed kind of early ish, you know.
I think it's just that. I think it's just trying to, yeah,
be responsible for your voice. And it's not always like that.
I mean, like on Warp tour, like this last weekend,
(37:35):
we played Saturday or we played Sunday, but we got
there Saturday. I saw like a hundred people I knew
that Saturday night, and I was just talking and like
yelling over the music and I could I was like,
oh fuck, like this is not good, Like thank god,
we only have to play thirty minutes tomorrow because I
you know, I typically wouldn't do that, you know what
I mean. I'd be like quiet, save the voice. I
(37:57):
got a show. But yeah, so it's just it's it's
a lot of maintenance and just making sure that I'm
aware of like just staying up too late or talking
too much, or just staying healthy in general, you know,
chugging water all the time, stuff like that, and yeah,
it's just you get back what you put in, so
you I just try to put it, put in as
(38:17):
much effort as I can. So for the for the headliner,
I'm like, I gotta get on the bike and get
my cardio up, and you know, make sure that I'm
practicing all the old songs before even before I get
to Arizona to do rehearsals. I'll just do like a
lot of pre stuff on my own pre prep. And yeah,
it's fun. It's like, you know, it's it's a it
(38:39):
is a job. It's it's fun. It's a fun job,
but it is a job at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Do you practice singing wall crowdsurfing? Like do you like
lay it? Like do you like lay down on your
couch and like sing, you know while you're like jostling
around and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
That would because that's a hard position to say, it
really is, you know, it's so funny. I'd be a
great like skit. That'd be a great like to talk
of like practicing like like laying down and then like
it it cuts to like me live like on the
crowd like singing. That would be really funny. Oh I don't,
but I think riding like I do, like the Assault
(39:13):
bike and just and then I'll go run when it's
that time for a headline, I'll go run laps and
try to sing the set while I'm running, and wo wow,
it's really hard. It's no joke. Like I did that.
So yeah. For for Hollow Bodies Store, because we had
been off the road for years, I was like so
worried that I was just gonna be just gas after
(39:35):
like the half set. So I was like literally on
the track like running and like trying to sing while
running and running out of breath, and I was like,
you know this is crazy and so all that, you know, yeah,
just max effort. It's just max effort trying new things.
I was like riding the bike with this like oxygen
mask that like restricts a bit of your oxygen to recreate,
(39:57):
like the elevator like and it's it's an elevation map
they call it. And you know, just like I don't know,
just like little things like that where I feel like
that might put me a step ahead or just have
me as as ready as possible. Like I said, every night,
like you play, you're playing front of your crowd every night,
so they don't get to see what you did the
night before. They don't get you know what I mean,
(40:18):
Like if you're tired, they don't you know what I mean,
Like they don't care. This is their They paid money
to see you tonight. So it's like you gotta be
on right. You got to be like have your best
forward and be ready to rock.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I think I'm gonna have to convince people that
I'm in Norman Gene. Uh So that can be my
excuse of why I'm screaming them when I go around
the run around.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
The lake, They're like, what the fuck is that guy doing?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah, like, why is this guy screaming as he's running?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
You look so psychotic?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Do you when you when you go out running?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Uh? Do you do you do it in public? Like
like where there's a lot of other people around?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Or I mean I'm like, you know, I'm like out
of track. But I mean, if there's people there, I'm
not I'll probably just hum. I'll be humming the song,
you know, but listening to the tracks like humming hum
and stuff. But when there's no one there, I'm trying
to actually sing sing it out loud, you know, as
long as I can. So yeah, I don't want to
scare anyone. Yeah that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, uh bo you ready to dive into your top
five most influential albums?
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, you know what. I love this because I was
not prepared. But I'm gonna I'm gonna just sit here
and kind of rewind and feel and think about what
records really got me into music in general. I will say,
just off the top, I don't know, this is like
in no particular d I think I remember walking into
(41:47):
a record store and I saw no effects heavy Petting
Zoo and it's it's a man with the sheep in
his lap, and you can kind of imagine it's no effects.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
So it's yeah, it's it's no effects.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
And I was like, what is this ship? This is crazy,
I'm buying it, like whatever. So I bought it and
I was in love. I was like, oh my god,
what it like? This is so cool. And their lyrics
and they're like their tongue in cheek, you know what
I mean, Like they're so I don't know, they're just
(42:23):
they're so themselves and the energy and so that was
that was one of them. So no effects heavy Petancy
was definitely one of them. Black Album by Metaca was
huge for me. That was when you could hear and
and you know, bands have all tried to replicate that album,
you know, like we got a nickelback from it, you know,
(42:45):
stuff like that. Where like but they were the originals
and it wasn't considered butt rock yet. You hear it
now you're like, oh, this is very much the beginning
of of what like butt rock would be. But it's
just like bands took it ruined it. But the Black Album, yeah,
for me, was like a masterpiece. And everything, And I
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remember like sitting there and like daydreaming and just thinking
about all these like crazy his like the lyrics were
so dark and the music was so dark, and the
music videos were so cool. Yeah, and so that was
that was a huge record for me, Blink wanting to
(43:27):
Oh my god, why can't I think Dude Ranch was?
I mean, every Blink record, I'm a huge That's my
favorite band. So Dude Ranch again, I would listen to
when I went to sleep. I just put my headphones
on and it would just and the last song on
the album has this part that just like keeps going.
It's just like this fast beat and then this riff
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and he's like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and it's just
like and it's like keeps going and like just goes
and goes and goes and fades out. And I like
would just falsely to that. And so again, this is
a band who is completely themselves. Their lyrics are funny,
you know what I mean. They got these like really
funny lyrics, but then also really emo lyrics at the
same time with some of their other songs. And I
(44:11):
was like, this is a great balance of like everything
I like. And so dude, Ranch, I would say, Oasis,
what's the story of Morning Glory?
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Was sure?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Was huge? Like I was again, just made me feel something,
you know, like it just made made me feel something.
I didn't know if it was cool or not, you know,
I was just like this is this is like impactful
to me. And I listened to that album like over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And then do you ever wish that you could just
get the Gallagher brothers to just get along?
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Well, they're getting along right now, and it's crazy because
people are like, do you think they'll make that? And
I'm like, they won't make it the whole tour, Like
that's my It just never happens.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
It never happens every time they try it. Never.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
They're kind of having like a resurgence of popularity right
now too.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
I keep seeing them all over the place. I mean,
obviously they've always been popular.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
About touring for the first time and however many years
and getting along. Yeah, so that record for sure, and
then you know, it's hard to it's hard to pick
like a fifth I'll say, like as far as who
I am today being like minor threat, just all the records,
you know, I think they only had like three or
(45:27):
two or three or something like that. But you know
at a step right like those those songs. I'm straight
edge because of I know what straightedge is because of
minor threat. And I watched their like Live nine thirty
Club DVD a million times and watching this is before
I've had ever gone to a show. And I'm watching
people stage nive and like scream into the mic, and
(45:50):
I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Like this is the you can just do this.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I'm like, you can just go there and do that
somewhere like that is insane. And so that was you
just for me where I was like, you know, I
didn't do drugs, I didn't drink all that stuff. I
didn't know what that meant. And then I found straight
edge and because of my threat and was like I
identified with that, and I had had a label, you know,
I had to like be part of a group. I
could be part of a movement. So that alone, you know,
(46:17):
not to mention the music, but you know, just that
alone culturally like just really shaped to who I was.
And and I guess also just like stage stay stuff
I get. You know, Ian was one of the coolest
front men on Earth and totally yeah, he was just
like so like humble, and like come come get the mic,
come get the you know. So I took a lot
(46:38):
of that and so and and applied it to my
live show.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
I feel like hardcore. Yeah, I feel like hardcore.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Has like ruined my ability to go to any other
kind of show because like I just immediately assumed that
I have the right to be on the stage with.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
The yes yes, and just like in general, you're like, oh,
you're not bringing that energy, Like.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
That's the part that always gets me.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Yeah, like if you're if it's not like an interactive
thing where I'm gonna, you know, be burned in twelve
hundred calories during the show as well.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Absolutely, and I don't really want to be a part
of it totally. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, we are spoiled,
we are.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
So it's true.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, uh bo, what.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Do you want to plug?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Obviously a new album coming out here in just over
a month on September fifth, I believe, yeah, and obviously
you guys will be playing shows soon and stuff too,
So yeah, what do you want to say?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, just the album, like you know, I am so
proud of it, and I hope everyone else feels the
same way I feel about it because I can listen
to the record. I listened to it all the time.
I always I played in the car, you know, multiple
times a day, and I'm just like, oh man, okay,
it makes me feel a certain way. I hopefully it
just does that for everyone else. It was, uh, and
(47:56):
then just going out on tour with Miss may I,
color Blind, Dark Divine with some special guests in some cities.
What was me dropping a gorgeous stuff like that and
just bringing back that old school, that old school feel
with you know, two newer bands with us and but
us and this may I being sort of like the
Grizzled Veterans, And uh, I hope you know, I think
(48:19):
fans of metalcore and are going to have an absolute
blasted our show. It's a great ticket price stuff like that.
So I know, there's like a billion tours going on,
so I hope they choose ours, because then it's going
to be a great time. So yeah, come out and party.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Yeah, I love it. There are just so many great
bands to.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
So many it's crazy. I don't know how people choose.
I don't know how people choose.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
It's you don't have to choose if you just go
to all.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I know, it's like you got I literally work that.
People probably literally work their jobs so they can go
see all the bands a like, because it's.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
With all like a budget line in there. It's a
it's a budget line item now for them.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
For sure, it literally is in my budget. I have
money set aside to go.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
To Yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Right, uh both anything else you'd like to plug?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I just kind of wanted to tell a quick story.
A lot of people don't know this about me, but
I was actually a backup dancer, uh for Justin simmer
Lake at one point, and not many people know that. Yeah,
it was really crazy. So like the Sexy Back Tour,
really I was in the background, you know, some of
(49:36):
his music videos stuff like that. So if you pause
some of his music videos you might be able to
catch me back there.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
So in the shirtless well was this?
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah? Was this also some.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
With shirts some without Yeah on the tour ye on
the Sexy Back Tour. So yeah, I kind of still
integrate some of those moves into our lives that you
might have seen it. Yeah, dang.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
How old do you better on this? This is like eighteen,
nineteen twenty or something.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Uh yeah, yeah, so like when was a Sexy back Tours?
Probably like two thousand and four or something like that.
So yeah, I have like twenty early twenties.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Then, yeah, that's amazing. You know what I think you
should do for the upcoming tour is I think you
should get an all Denhim outfit, including a Denham cowboy hat,
just like Justin did with Britney back.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
In this it's like our boy JT. I know, I've
always wanted to do it. I'm gonna I'm actually going
shopping right after this, and that's one of the things
on my list.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You see. The fun thing about this is that this
will this will everyone will think that you're referencing Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Did she do that?
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Actually referencing is Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Did our girl Sidney do that? Is that her thing?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
It's a It's all over the internet right now. Yeah,
it's a big it's a big conspiracy apparently too.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I don't know what what's the conspiracy? Tell me I'm
here for.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
I don't know that she's like that she's a Nazi
or something. Now. I don't quite understand the behind it.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
But okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Just because she wore some dunum.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
I guess it has it's something to do with a
Levi's ad, but I haven't been to it deep enough
to like quite understand all the references.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
But yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
What a what a leap?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I know?
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, i'd say people really jump to those.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I guess it's the point of a conspiracy. It feels
it feels like a little bit more of a leap
than normal.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Holy count Yeah, well, uh that's uh, that's super cool.
I'm gonna have to go back and watch some of
those live videos from twenty years ago or whenever it was,
and uh see uh see you running around.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I might post a clip on Instagram as like a
throwback Thursday. Do people still do you throw back Thursdays?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
I mean, if they don't, you definitely need to bring
it back.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I think it's a lot Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know.
If that's that was very like millennial of me to
do a throwback Thursday tvt oh.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Man, you post it with a BuzzFeed article, then you're yeah, Okay, cool, cool,
because that's super and.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Like a Tumblr these days, like a Tumblr link of
some kind.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, okay, perfect, exactly, exactly, well both, thank you so
much for chatting more about the new album, your your history,
and the band just.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Really really stoked about the new album coming out, so.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, thanks for so much for chatting, and hopefully we
can hang out again sometimes.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Sorts man, Thank you guys so much for your time.
I'll see you soon.
Yet Yelly.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today we've got Bo from Bless the Fall super excited
to chat with you.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Bo.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'll be honest, I don't know if we Colin and
I have done two hundred plus episodes now, I don't
know if we've ever interviewed somebody who was shirtless at
the time, and so this might be the first shirtless
interview we've ever done, just saying.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah, there's a few I can think of that I
would wish we're shirtless, but but you're you're You're on
the top of that list.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thanks dude. I am on this campaign for twenty twenty
five to abolish T shirts.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So you're there of lead vocalists.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I like it. I like it. Yeah, yeah, the machine
part two.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, if you run for re election, then you're
gonna have to, like and you've already accomplished the abolished
the T shirts, then like the only extra, you know,
the only other thing you could run on is like
maybe abolishing pants for the balls.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, that could be next. There's a lot of there's
a lot of you know, push I get a lot
of ads for like the ball treummers, the like.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Oh yeah, the man things or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So you know what I mean that could go along
with it, maybe like some kind of partnership there you go.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, there is a new sponsor by the way,
So if you would like to get off of landscapes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I wish run a position every money, that'd be great awesome. Well,
how before we dive into bus the fall stuff, how
you doing today, bo? What's what's life treating you?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, you know, it's kind of if you guys want
to kind of get a little bit personal. We're doing
some uh construction on our home, and so right outside
of our windows is giant machines that are drilling into
their rocks. So at about seven am, it's like pure chaos.
It sounds like I'm more outside. It's like so I'm
(02:15):
just like awake, ready to go make my coffee. I'm
just uh yeah, just hanging out. Hence I didn't have
time to even pretty sure on.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
How close to the coast are you. Are you worried
about the potential impending tsunamia?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh no, no, no, We're up on a mountain. We're
far away beautiful. If anything, I'm worried about people like
everyone running up here to like take cover. You have
plenty of room. We got plenty of room bring them up.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, but let's let's talk about you know, obviously we
will want to eventually talk about the new album, but
before we dive into that, yeah, I'd love to just
kind of hear your own history and the music. So
maybe even before talking about like getting into bus Fall,
I'd love to hear just kind of like what made you?
What inspired you to be a person that sings for
a living man?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's a great question. I was always into music and
I agree. I loved Michael Jackson growing up, which is brilliandom.
I used to watch he has a VHS tape back
then it was called Moonwalker, and it was like all
like music videos and really cool skits. He did all
(03:25):
these like skits. So I had this whole storyline and
I watched this like NonStop, like all the time, popped
it and binged it and front to back, and so
that was like one of the things where I'm like, okay,
you know. My mom was always like you should sing.
I'm like no, no, no, it's fine, Like i I'm
not met, you know what I mean. Like she my
(03:47):
mom was always like you're like such a you're such
a ham like around friends. You're always like, you know,
putting on these voices and singing and like, you know,
and I'm like, but when it came your mom called you.
I ham my mom. Yeah, she was like, you're such
a like you know you you could do this, you know,
like you have something. I'm like, oh, I know. I'm like,
that's not for me. I was just you know, at
(04:08):
the same time, I was an extrovert around my friends,
but an introvert otherwise, so I wouldn't you know. She
took me to go audition for this musical and I
like freaked out, didn't get out of the car. So
it just took a lot of just me figuring that
out that I could do that, you know, like that
maybe that's possible. And yeah, it was a long it
(04:32):
didn't happen un till way later. It was like I
went saw and then I saw Blank one a Too.
Was my first concert ever. It was like a small show.
There's probably like eight hundred people there, but I crowdsurfed,
I stage dove, I did all the things and I'm
like this, this is awesome, you know, like this.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Wait, what year would have that have been?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like I'm trying to think the last time blank onin
eighty two would have only played.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
To eight probably like ninety seven. Dud Anch had just
come out. Wow wow Wow Yeah, jud Anciud like just
come out, damn. It was like starting to to like
hit the charts and stuff like that. And I was
into you know, like skate punk at the time, so
like No Effects, lag Wagon, strung Out, you name it,
and Blink was my first show ever. So that was
(05:13):
like I remember just daydreaming about that show. Like the
next day at school, I was like, oh my god,
like what did I just experience? And I was like
kind of always chasing that like thing of like I
want to make other people feel the way I felt
that night, you know what I mean. It was like
this really special moment, and so I was like I
(05:35):
got to figure out what I can do. I was
playing hockey at the time, so I was like super
into hockey. It was like super dedicated to hockey. But
music was always you know, had band posters on my
walls and stuff like that, and my mom was like,
you never have like hockey posters on your wall, and
you like like yeah, but like you know, these music's
really cool and you know, these guys are rat so anyway,
(05:55):
my mom started noticing, like, oh, you're getting Wayne into music,
you know, and uh. And then at one point I
was like when my hockey career ended, I was like,
I want to start a band. And so I try
to like convince all my friends to start a band
with me, and they're like, well, what can you do.
I'm like, I can try to sing. I don't know.
They're like, you can't sing. We've never just sing once?
Like what do you mean. I'm like, no, no, like,
(06:17):
let me try this out. So we started a band.
It was called Take the Crown. It was like kind
of punk punk, skate punk adjacent. I don't know. It
was just like fast beats. And I was awful. I
was so bad. And I my drummer at the time
was a good friend of mine and he was going
to he went to school to learn how to record,
(06:38):
to be an engineer, and he recorded us and I couldn't.
I was like, dude, I'm so bad. Like everyone was
just like, yeah, I don't know me lessons or something
like you know, it's they agreed with you. Oh yeah,
they were like, yeah, you're like pretty bad, but like,
you know, you know, work on it. And so you know,
it was like trial by fire. I was just like
in you know, doing shows and I wouldn't face the crowd.
(07:03):
I would like face the drum kid and just be like,
you know, really shy. But it was like something I
wanted to do, so I kind of just forced myself
to do it. And yeah, years went by like that
and got yea. I started taking vocal lessons. The band
members changed, the style changed of the music, you know,
style the music change, and uh, we got a manager,
and then we got signed to Rise Records and put
(07:25):
an album out through Rise, and and we recorded our
demos with with Chris. He's in Saoson He's a bas
player for Sarsen and in Bo's studio, Bo Burchelle who
you know records, he's a producer and all that. So
we borrowed his studio and Chris was trying to learn
how to be a producer and engineering. He put me
(07:46):
through like boot camp, like vocal boot camp. Like I
would be in there and he'd be like sing it
like this, and he would sing, he would do the
notes and he would play the notes on the keys,
and I'm like, okay, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It was like so between that and like going to
vocal lessons and stuff and having some coaches, and I
just started kind of finding my own voice. And yeah,
the band we toured and you know, didn't do great,
but over here sorry a place.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So something I've noticed often is that for tenor singers
like yourself, Yeah, they don't generally find their voice until
quite a bit later on. M Was that kind of
the same for you. Were you trying to sing lower
initially or something like that, and then all of a
sudden You're like, holy cow, I've got this register up
(08:35):
here that just kills for sure?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
For sure? Yeah, it was. It was like, yeah, I
just couldn't find my pocket, my comfort zone. And I
think working with Chris and doing those demos with him,
I was like, oh, I can sing kind of high.
This is kind of crazy, you know what I mean.
I was like, Oh, that's you know, but I had
to figure out how to get up there naturally without
(08:59):
forcing it. Yeah, which, I you know, I think I'm
still learning, you know, like I've at the even at
this stage, I feel like I'm learning techniques where I'm like, oh,
I can do this, especially live when I'm like gassed
at you know, towards end of a show, we're playing
Hey Baby last and it's like the highest registered song
of all time and and so yeah, it was, uh,
(09:21):
it was just I think just through that that I
learned like, yeah, where my comfort zone is and where
I fit in. But it even it's it is really
nice to sing to sing lower and having those moments,
and I've learned the opposite now is to pull back
when it's you know, when it's called for for sure?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What inspired you to start screaming in particular? What like,
was there maybe an album and artists that you started
listening to and you were like, oh, that in particular
I want to do like that was there or or
or is that something where you just like the music
that you were making with the band, Like did you
demand that? Or I'm just curious, like what inspired you
to start learning on the screen.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, Jared does all the screaming in the band, So I, oh,
that's right. I'm like off the hook there, but I
do stuff live and I have been actually working on
sounding better because there's uh, he just has so much
to do that like I'm like, hey, i'll take this line.
I'll take this line, and I don't one hundred percent
know what I'm doing. Sometimes it sounds great and I'm like, whoa,
(10:21):
what was that? And I'm like and I try to
recreate that, and then it sounds like shit. I'm like,
oh no, like what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So I think I think what Mason was trying to
get at is you have you have quite a few
vocal lines where you you take it up a notch
where you kind of get like an in between yeah, screams.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, kind of kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah. I think that's more more what Mason was trying
to get at, because obviously, yeah, the scream the screaming
vocals are great, but the almost like singing scream that
you do every once in a while is yeah, it's
it's very unique. It's very very cool, and especially live,
you hear a lot more live than you do on
the record.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's fun. Like I you know,
bands like Thrice was the first band I ever listened
to that had singing and screaming. I was like, oh,
this is a thing, Like this is cool, you know
what I mean. I didn't know it was it was
even a thing like I listened to like Minor Threat
and stuff like that. But like that's a different kind
of like shout, you know what I mean, It's right,
(11:19):
But Thrice was the band that really bridged that gap
for me of like metal and punk into like more
hardcore type stuff. And then I started listening to just
got heavier and heavier progressively, like my tastes from there
for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, So how did you how did you get hooked
up with the Blessed the Fall Guys? What was that
whole process like for you, because obviously there's been there's
been some you know, some changeover in that and the
the clean vocals department of Blessed the Fall and some
interesting shoes to fill. Uh and uh. I think most
people would say that you are the person you are,
(11:59):
like kind of like the the voice, the clean voice
of Blessed the Fault. Even though there's been other great vocalists,
you are the one that they think of.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, it's that's cool, Like I you know, it took
a little bit to kind of own that. But it
was my roommate at the time worked for Blessed Fell's
record label. My old band were kind of slowing down,
you know, and she would she was she would tell
me about Blessed Fell she'd be like, hey, like, there's
(12:27):
this band blah blah blah, and so I kind of followed
their career and so I knew when they kicked their
singer out and everything else, and she's like, you should
try out. I'm like, well, you know, I have this
other band. I can't just leave them, you know that
kind of thing. And and so they through the process
of them trying people out, and then my band just
kind of, you know, things just kind of like slowly
(12:51):
digressing with like the label stopping tour support, and you know,
we weren't really selling albums and we were just like
kind of just scraping by, you know. I was like, fine,
you know, like okay, I'll try out for bust of all.
And then she was like, oh, I think they found
a guy. They like they're I think they found someone.
I'm like, oh, all right, well whatever. So I was
like wrapping my head around like what was next, and
(13:13):
then she hit me up and was like, hey, actually,
like they want you to come out and try out.
I'm like, oh, okay, sick like, so they flew me out.
I learned probably I think three of their songs off
his Glass Walk. And then they also had sent a demo.
It was for a song called to Helen Back, well
it wasn't called that that yet, but a song that
(13:34):
was eventually gonna be called to Hella Back. And I
wrote the like an intro chorus type thing for that song.
And so when they tried you know, when we tried
out and I had sang the old songs and then
I was like, actually, I have like some I wrote
for this if you guys want to check it out.
And so they played to hell Back and I sang
my parts like this look like you know, the chorus
(13:55):
or whatever, and they were all kind of like, you know,
I could kind of see that there was like something there,
and Eric just goes like you want to do this?
I'm like, do what? Like I thought he meant like
practice was over or something, you know, And I'm like
he's like, you're you got the part man of like
you want to be in the band. I'm like, sick, yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I don't I don't think people understand how big a
balls that takes to come in with a part that
you wrote for a demo that they've already done it
and you're like no, no, no, like just just just
hear me out on this like that, because you don't
know what the dynamic of that band necessarily is for sure,
and you're just going to walk in and be like,
here's here's my creative input. Yeah that's that's not a
(14:38):
very common thing. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, it takes. I think it was at that point
I had just said, like, you know, what's the worst
that can happen? Like, my band is like pretty much toast.
This is like a bonus, you know what I mean.
So there were there was no I didn't really feel
that any sort of pressure, Like I just feel like
this is this is fun, you know, and like what's
(15:02):
the worst case scenario? They don't like it. I go
back home and it is what it is. I move
on with my life. So I think for them, And
I know Eric said this too. He was like when
you He's like, yeah, anyone can kind of sing the
old songs and sound like our old singer or whatever,
but like when you showed us that you could actually
write something cool that we enjoyed, that was the winner
(15:25):
for us. We're like, because that's the hardest part is like,
once you can sing all the old songs, that's karaoke
but when you get in the studio and you have
to write something good and and to Hell and Back
ended up being the first song we put out and
with you know, announcing me as the new singer. So
it was really special and I think for all of us, like,
(15:46):
you know, I get the chills. So sometimes I was like,
we're all like in the room, we like hugged, and
we're like we knew this was sort of the beginning
of something that could be really cool. And they found
you know, Eric and my kids signed up for college.
They were about to go back to college or go
to college rather. They were like yeah, they they had
signed up and had to like go cancel their classes
(16:06):
that day and they're like oh shit, Like they were
like admitting defeat at that point. Like, like I said,
that was a that was a moment for all of
us where like, yeah, whatever, let's just see what happens
like and and it you know, something amazing came from it.
So it's it was a really cool moment and we
we all kind of realized like, oh shit, okay, we're
(16:27):
gonna do this, like this is the start of something cool.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Did you do that audition shirtless as well?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I did. I did nice. It was in Arizona. You're like,
you have to of course I was sweat. I was
sweating the second I got off the plane.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Does it does it really feel like you know, I've
never I'm neither Colin and I've ever been in bands.
But I'm kind of curious, like when you do something
like an audition, does it really actually feel like a
job interview?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
A little bit? A little bit, I mean, and that
is the first Spain I've ever auditioned for, So it
was like it felt like, man, it felt like just
it almost felt like going on a date rather than
a job interview. Oh, You're like, do I get along
with this person? Do we have things in common? Are
we compatible? You know? Like and all those things checked out,
(17:20):
like our sense of humor, you know, as a band,
like we we all are jokes. Immediately, we like understood
each other. We kind of dressed the same, which is
really funny, you know what I mean. Like that's all
you know, when you go on to the day, you're
looking for somebody that's you know that you can get along,
and you're like, can I hang out with this person?
You know, like you know all the time, is that
(17:42):
gonna is that gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's like someone I saw this thing. It was like,
I will never date outside my music musical genre, like
if I have you know what I mean, my musical
taste or something. And it was like really funny because
you're like, yeah, if you like date someone who's like
super into only into country music, like I don't, Oh god,
I don't know that it's gonna work. You know, I
(18:04):
don't think I could be pretty tough. So yeah, it was.
It was more like a blind day than you know,
even an audition. It was like, yeah, how are these guys?
You know, how do I vibe with them? And we
hit it off immediately. We're like, yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well it sounds like it ended with a kiss.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
More than a kiss, more than kiss. Already I got
the home base pretty great. Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Colin and I have interviewed a number of musicians where
especially when it comes to like singers that come into
the band after the band has already had like an
original singer, and I know that that can kind of
be an interesting dynamic for the new singer. At what
point did you feel like Blessed the Fall kind of
became your own, Like what I'm sure at some point,
(18:58):
you know, especially early on, it kind of felt like maybe, hey,
I'm still like kind of the new guy, and you
might even had, you know, maybe had fans that were
sort of like, oh, I just wish the old guy
was around still. But like, at what point did you
sort of feel like, oh, like this is this is
my band? Like there or they like you felt like
I'm like a core part of this now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I mean they made me feel very comfortable right
off the bat. They made me you know. They were
never like hey, the old guy used to do this
or this is what he would you know what I mean.
They never they were always like you're so much cooler then,
you know. They were like very like we're so stoked here,
and you know, I just brought I just brought my
(19:38):
own energy. And the band was like uh. We were
recording and doing demos at first out in Coast to Mesa,
and I was in California and I was living in
huns And Beach, so I would take them to all
my favorite spots to eat and I just felt like
I was like showing them who I was, and they
were like just blunt, they were like this is so cool,
(20:00):
like everything. I took them on, like a high school
swimming pool that we would go to at like one
in the morning and like go swim there, and they
had never done anything like that. So I felt like
I was just bringing my own brand of you know,
my own energy to the band, and they were like
accepting it and being stoked on it. And then, you know,
our first few shows we played were I think we
did like five shows, and I think after the last show,
(20:26):
the home shows in Arizona, I felt like, Okay, this
is like our thing. I don't feel like I'm trying
to be somebody else, you know. I think like it
took a few shows, you know, like just to get comfortable.
I feel like I was like, you know, in the
driver's seat a little bit, and yeah, after those it
was like okay, sick and then yeah, and then we
(20:47):
went and did Witness and I felt like I was again,
you know, it's my band, it's our band. You know,
we're doing this together. It's like, you know, we're not
trying to rehash what you've already done. And yeah, so
I'd say like fairly quickly, I felt like, you know,
here's here's me, here's my personality. I hope you guys
(21:08):
like it, and even on stage and like talking to
the crowd, and you know, the energy that we brought.
I think like all that kind of kind of came
into play with just making it my own thing, not
my own, but our our thing as a whole. That's special.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
You know, Yeah, your your particular formula.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yes, my flavor, shirtless flavor.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So another kind of interesting thing about like Blest the
Fall is like around the time, especially around the time
that you enter the picture in the band, like you know,
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine is sort
of what it feels like kind of the height of
the like you know, quote unquote like metal course. Yeah,
like it just that's when it like was I mean,
obviously had been growing by that point, and there had
(21:57):
been some really big albums by that point or even
prior to you even getting into Bless the Fall, But
you know, it really feels like two and nine twenty
ten kind of feels like the height of or at
least my perception of it is that was kind of
the height. And did it feel like that for you, Like,
did it feel like those were like some of the
biggest shows or I'm just curious like for you being
(22:18):
in the band, Like when did it feel like, Okay, wow,
we are like like I'm sure like kind of one
of those things where like you're just getting thrust into
something where like you're immediately now playing into in front
of a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
That would be my perception of it, but I could
be wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah. It's funny because our first show was at a
pizza shop in the basement and Jerry's Pizza. It's like
this legendary did you.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Get free pizza?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Oh yeah, that's why I felt like we made it.
I'm like, dude, if I'm getting free pizza, man, I'm
here for as long as possible. Yeah, it was. It
was in a basement. There's probably it could probably fit
two hundred people in there maybe, Like it's like the
ceilings here, you know. I was like literally like putting
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my hand on the ceiling and the energy was insane
and the adrenaline was was unreal, you know what I mean,
Like just all these feelings of like holy shit now,
and I'm seeing seeing people sing songs that I'm singing
back to me. I'm that's never ever happened. So it
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was all like all this stuff was happening at once,
and I remember going off stage again, we all hugged.
I remember all of us hugging and we were like,
oh my god. We all just like grabbed each other
and were like, yeah, we're just drenched and sweat. Right,
it's like the hottest show you can imagine. And yeah,
just that I was like, this is the this is
(23:44):
the moment, right, like, this is makes me feel like
I'm where I'm supposed to be. Didn't feel like I
was feeling in some of the's shoes, you know what
I mean. It felt like this was our thing now
and we're bringing this our own energy, and uh, yeah
it was. It was a moment I'll never forget, Like
I feel like it was yesterday for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Ye how much of the how much of the writing
process would you kind of take as your own these days?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Writing process? Yeah, I mean definitely lyrics, melodies, screaming patterns,
a big chunk of this really. Yeah. Nice, And I
mean Jared writes stuff as well. But I feel like
when I'm in there and I'm hearing the music, I'm like, hey, Jared,
what about like a you know, I'm right here, bitch,
(24:33):
you know, like, what about that it's like cool and
uh no, it's it's it's a big chunk for sure.
And I have to credit our producers for and our engineers,
you know, for like being able to take what we're
doing and and and refine it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'll come with a melody, it'll come with some ideas,
and it is still a group effort. Like when they
it will be like, hey, that lyrics, I feel like
you can do better there, you know, like maybe like
that one's a little like lame without saying lame, but
you know, it's like that's what they're getting at. So yeah,
it's it's yeah, I do all the melodies and lyrics
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and screaming patterns as much as I can, and you know,
the boys hop in after that and kind of help
refine it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Interesting. Yeah, I've not heard of I've not heard of
of someone who isn't the one screaming picking over some
of the patterns for the screaming vocals. That that's impressive.
Also some incredible screaming patterns or I guess rhythms. How
do you want to say? Yeah, really really impressive stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, it's really really impressive stuff to a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, it's like I think for me, I feel the
energy of the song. I feel the momentum and how
it works, and I can, you know, if I'm writing
the lyrics anyway, I can like at you know, add
my my take on it. You know, even though I'm
not screaming, I can It's rhythm. It's still it's just rhythm.
It's like rapping, you know, like I could probably rap
at this point. So it's like you just feel in
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the rhythm and how it moves and where you know
things would would you know if there needs to be
staccato or whatever the case is, and uh yeah, it's
it's super fun. It's super fun to do.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Can you can you prompt us into that for a moment?
Like how would you how would you say? Oh, yeah
that that uh that screamline sounds pretty good. But go
is that how you do it?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Exactly where like yeah, you're just hearing it and you're like,
you know, yeah, you just feel where it fits in.
And then someone goes like whoa, but like what if
it went you know, and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, cool,
you know I was like, it's just everyone's kind of
insights and tastes all come into play and super fun
and our producer for this album, Hire Hernandez, is super talented.
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Uh can play every instrument, can sing can you know?
I don't know. He's incredible And so coming to him
with our ideas and him going like he'll get on
the mic, you know, be like, I know you're saying
it this way, but like what if you went like,
I'm like, whoa, Okay, I didn't see that coming, you know.
So that's where having a great producer can come into play.
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They just take what you're doing, amplify it, refine it,
make it, take it to that next level. He's like
an extra band member. So there's you know in a way.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
So yeah, yeah, well talking about talking about Gallows here
from my ear personally, yeah, it definitely lands in a
goldilocks zone in terms of the music production, where you
have some very well produced parts that have that are
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very polished, and then you have parts that are not
as polished, and that is exactly what the scene needs.
That's what that's what this kind of music deserves. If
it's too polished. Mason and I harp on this all
the time, and we despise it because it feels so
inhuman or what do you want to call it, you know, ingenuous. Yes,
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this feels very very genuine. It follows a very very
fine line where it's not too polished, but the parts
where it needs to be really really polished it is.
And that is that's a very very big breath of
fresh air from from Mason and I's ears. Would you
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would you say that that was kind of like the
intention going in with that and is that what Hiro
was looking at and trying to do as well?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Definitely, most definitely he can make something sound pristine and
you know, robotic almost sometimes like just really clean, and
but he can also make it sound disgusting where it
needs to be, which was what we wanted. Was Gallows
is actually the next song we're putting out the album
(29:09):
titled song, and it's got some gross parts where you're
just like, oh yeah, and you just feel you know
what I mean, it's just like and then the chorus,
you know, you want your chorus to store and be
you know, anthemic and everything else, and he did a
great job of that. So that was definitely the case
where we wanted it to have like the grime where
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it needed it, but also sound up to date. You know,
It's like, I think there's a careful balance of like
you know, some people are released trying to sound vintage
these days and maybe at to a fault where you're like, oh,
it sounds you know, it just doesn't sound good. You're
making it sound bad on purpose. But you know, for us,
we're like, we need that balance. We need to improve
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and show you know, evolution, an evolution of the band
and and without you know, compromising. I think like our
fans are always at the forefront of what we do.
Obviously we want to be happy with what we do,
which we are. And but you know, the fans are
buying tickets to the shows, they're streaming your music. And
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you know, there was a band at Warp Tour I
won't name that. It was like we wrote this for
us and only for us, and because we wanted to
do this for ourselves, we owed it to ourselves and
this and now I'm like, all right, but at the
end of the day, like you're not buying your own record,
you know what I mean, You're not writing to come
to your band play. I understand you want to enjoy
the music you play, you always should, but the fans
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have been around for years for a reason. They want
to hear your sound. They are fans of your sound,
so we try to stay true to that and capture
recapture our sound, but with like an updated, you know,
version of us, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah, I like that you. I like that you
put it back to the fans and not that you're
like trying out to go out and you know, appeal
to a super mass market or anything like that. Yeah.
I was thinking back to your Malkre video and uh,
there's one scene in there where, by the way, I
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laughed like twenty times, there's one there's one scene in
there where the gal goes, what if they're butt rock?
I feel like that might be a shot fired across
a bow of a lot of bands in the scene
that that you guys would have come up with. And
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I I appreciate, Uh, you know, the no no punch
is held there because you're not I don't know if
you want to call it selling out or whatever, but
you're not selling out. You're staying true to yourselves. You're
staying true to an older sound with with with modern updates,
with uh more refined techniques and everything like that. I
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appreciate that to the degree. Also that music video was
not only hysterical, but just really really really good.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Thank you, I appreciate it. It was, Yeah, it was.
You know, I'm not trying to offend anyone, but it's
just for us. There's so many bands that abandon their sound,
they abandon the fans. They don't care. They're just trying to,
you know, make sure that they get some radio play,
which is fun. Like that's the careers, right, it's their livelihoods.
(32:31):
And I understand some bands really want to hit make
it to that next level. And I would love to
as well, trust me, like I have, I would love
to be to play an amphitheater, you know what I mean.
I love to like headline or an area like that'd
be cool. But at the same time, you risk you
run the risk of abandoning your fan your fan base.
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And it's like, yeah, that is a huge role of
the dice. And because if you don't make it, you've
now alienated all your fans and have the po are
coming to watch you play, right, you know what I mean?
Like that hit didn't really hit and yeah, and so
I think for us, like if we have a hit,
it's gonna be something that sounds authentic to us, like
a Hey Baby or you know something like that, where
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like that's we enjoy playing that kind of music. We're
not doing it because we're trying to get on the radio.
We're just like, let's write a fun summer banger, you
know what I mean. Like it's awesome, it's so cool
and so it you know that in like forty days
and even like our newest song that we did with
Dan from Thur of the Year fell so hard, Like
those still seem authentic to us, but at the same time,
(33:37):
you could hear something like that on the radio, but
it still has our sound, you know, And I think
I think we have a rite of passage to that now,
which is pretty cool, Like hey baby, kind of open
that up for us to be able to like throw
a couple of those on the record, you know, like
I said, without sounding like we're trying, you know, too
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hard to write some kind of radio single or something.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, video that I had seen and I don't remember
it was Coachella or something like that, but Bringing Me
the Horizon was playing, and like, you know, it's a
fan perspective video and there's this this girl that's that's
running the camera and everything, and she's like pointing at
her friend and all of a sudden, bring Me the
(34:23):
Horizon goes back to like an original song, like from
the early early days, and this girl is like up
on the shoulders of one of her friends and she's
like dancing, and then the song comes on and she goes,
what the fuck is this because it was just it
was so much heavier and so much more so much
more scene, I guess you could say, than what she
(34:44):
was used to. And they promptly left. So you're not Yeah,
you're not selling out to a specific crowd, you're not
selling out to the radio. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, And you know, there's nothing, like I said, I
don't want to offend anyone that that you know, is
their careers. They're trying to it's their livelihood. They're trying to,
like you know, make make a living off of it,
which is amazing. But I feel like if we ever,
if we ever hit it on the radio, it'll be
just you know, by accident, it'll be just because it's good,
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because a good song that we had fun writing.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Like with this new album, it does kind of feel like,
you know, if if, for example, somebody listened to Witness
back in two thousand and nine and then for whatever
reason stop listening to you guys for these last sixteen years,
but then they get back into listening Gallows like it
is one of those things where my my guess is
the way that they would think about it is oh
like that sounds like less yeah, bust of all.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Stuck, like they wouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, Like it's just like that still is blessed the
Fall to its core, and like, I don't think you
guys have moved too far from what your core sound is,
like whatever you would describe that as, but whatever that is,
you haven't moved too far from that.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Like you kind of know what.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Works well, you know what's true to clearly, like true
to what the fans really would love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's been it's been fun doing
that for this album too, because it's like it's like
an updated you know, nice uh you know, it's just
a current version of what we we've always done. And
I don't know, I think people listen to us for
that reason, and it's like, Okay, we're gonna give you
that but it's gonna be bigger and better, that's all.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah. Well, speaking of your your voice in particular has
held up just about better than anyone's voice in the
heavy music scene i've ever heard. Is there is there
something that you're doing to keep your voice in that level?
Are you? You know, taking a dreama chrome or something
like that? How doing is that? Is that what Jerry's
(36:50):
pizza was all about? You guys were were doing.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Pizza so funny, it's very niche. No, I mean, I
take I try to take care of it on the road.
I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't Honestly,
the worst thing for me, the hardest part for me
is not is trying not to talk a lot on tour.
And I just love friendship and I love like hanging
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out and so when we have friends come out and
I'm like, fuck, I gotta like watch my voice. I
gotta go to bed kind of early ish, you know.
I think it's just that. I think it's just trying to, yeah,
be responsible for your voice. And it's not always like that.
I mean, like on Warp tour, like this last weekend,
(37:35):
we played Saturday or we played Sunday, but we got
there Saturday. I saw like a hundred people I knew
that Saturday night, and I was just talking and like
yelling over the music and I could I was like,
oh fuck, like this is not good, Like thank god,
we only have to play thirty minutes tomorrow because I
you know, I typically wouldn't do that, you know what
I mean. I'd be like quiet, save the voice. I
(37:57):
got a show. But yeah, so it's just it's it's
a lot of maintenance and just making sure that I'm
aware of like just staying up too late or talking
too much, or just staying healthy in general, you know,
chugging water all the time, stuff like that, and yeah,
it's just you get back what you put in, so
you I just try to put it, put in as
(38:17):
much effort as I can. So for the for the headliner,
I'm like, I gotta get on the bike and get
my cardio up, and you know, make sure that I'm
practicing all the old songs before even before I get
to Arizona to do rehearsals. I'll just do like a
lot of pre stuff on my own pre prep. And yeah,
it's fun. It's like, you know, it's it's a it
(38:39):
is a job. It's it's fun. It's a fun job,
but it is a job at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Do you practice singing wall crowdsurfing? Like do you like
lay it? Like do you like lay down on your
couch and like sing, you know while you're like jostling
around and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
That would because that's a hard position to say, it
really is, you know, it's so funny. I'd be a
great like skit. That'd be a great like to talk
of like practicing like like laying down and then like
it it cuts to like me live like on the
crowd like singing. That would be really funny. Oh I don't,
but I think riding like I do, like the Assault
(39:13):
bike and just and then I'll go run when it's
that time for a headline, I'll go run laps and
try to sing the set while I'm running, and wo wow,
it's really hard. It's no joke. Like I did that.
So yeah. For for Hollow Bodies Store, because we had
been off the road for years, I was like so
worried that I was just gonna be just gas after
(39:35):
like the half set. So I was like literally on
the track like running and like trying to sing while
running and running out of breath, and I was like,
you know this is crazy and so all that, you know, yeah,
just max effort. It's just max effort trying new things.
I was like riding the bike with this like oxygen
mask that like restricts a bit of your oxygen to recreate,
(39:57):
like the elevator like and it's it's an elevation map
they call it. And you know, just like I don't know,
just like little things like that where I feel like
that might put me a step ahead or just have
me as as ready as possible. Like I said, every night,
like you play, you're playing front of your crowd every night,
so they don't get to see what you did the
night before. They don't get you know what I mean,
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Like if you're tired, they don't you know what I mean,
Like they don't care. This is their They paid money
to see you tonight. So it's like you gotta be
on right. You got to be like have your best
forward and be ready to rock.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I think I'm gonna have to convince people that
I'm in Norman Gene. Uh So that can be my
excuse of why I'm screaming them when I go around
the run around.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
The lake, They're like, what the fuck is that guy doing?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah, like, why is this guy screaming as he's running?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
You look so psychotic?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Do you when you when you go out running?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Uh? Do you do you do it in public? Like
like where there's a lot of other people around?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Or I mean I'm like, you know, I'm like out
of track. But I mean, if there's people there, I'm
not I'll probably just hum. I'll be humming the song,
you know, but listening to the tracks like humming hum
and stuff. But when there's no one there, I'm trying
to actually sing sing it out loud, you know, as
long as I can. So yeah, I don't want to
scare anyone. Yeah that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, uh bo you ready to dive into your top
five most influential albums?
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, you know what. I love this because I was
not prepared. But I'm gonna I'm gonna just sit here
and kind of rewind and feel and think about what
records really got me into music in general. I will say,
just off the top, I don't know, this is like
in no particular d I think I remember walking into
(41:47):
a record store and I saw no effects heavy Petting
Zoo and it's it's a man with the sheep in
his lap, and you can kind of imagine it's no effects.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
So it's yeah, it's it's no effects.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
And I was like, what is this ship? This is crazy,
I'm buying it, like whatever. So I bought it and
I was in love. I was like, oh my god,
what it like? This is so cool. And their lyrics
and they're like their tongue in cheek, you know what
I mean, Like they're so I don't know, they're just
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they're so themselves and the energy and so that was
that was one of them. So no effects heavy Petancy
was definitely one of them. Black Album by Metaca was
huge for me. That was when you could hear and
and you know, bands have all tried to replicate that album,
you know, like we got a nickelback from it, you know,
(42:45):
stuff like that. Where like but they were the originals
and it wasn't considered butt rock yet. You hear it
now you're like, oh, this is very much the beginning
of of what like butt rock would be. But it's
just like bands took it ruined it. But the Black Album, yeah,
for me, was like a masterpiece. And everything, And I
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remember like sitting there and like daydreaming and just thinking
about all these like crazy his like the lyrics were
so dark and the music was so dark, and the
music videos were so cool. Yeah, and so that was
that was a huge record for me, Blink wanting to
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Oh my god, why can't I think Dude Ranch was?
I mean, every Blink record, I'm a huge That's my
favorite band. So Dude Ranch again, I would listen to
when I went to sleep. I just put my headphones
on and it would just and the last song on
the album has this part that just like keeps going.
It's just like this fast beat and then this riff
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and he's like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and it's just
like and it's like keeps going and like just goes
and goes and goes and fades out. And I like
would just falsely to that. And so again, this is
a band who is completely themselves. Their lyrics are funny,
you know what I mean. They got these like really
funny lyrics, but then also really emo lyrics at the
same time with some of their other songs. And I
(44:11):
was like, this is a great balance of like everything
I like. And so dude, Ranch, I would say, Oasis,
what's the story of Morning Glory?
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Was sure?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Was huge? Like I was again, just made me feel something,
you know, like it just made made me feel something.
I didn't know if it was cool or not, you know,
I was just like this is this is like impactful
to me. And I listened to that album like over
and over again.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And then do you ever wish that you could just
get the Gallagher brothers to just get along?
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Well, they're getting along right now, and it's crazy because
people are like, do you think they'll make that? And
I'm like, they won't make it the whole tour, Like
that's my It just never happens.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
It never happens every time they try it. Never.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
They're kind of having like a resurgence of popularity right
now too.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
I keep seeing them all over the place. I mean,
obviously they've always been popular.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
About touring for the first time and however many years
and getting along. Yeah, so that record for sure, and
then you know, it's hard to it's hard to pick
like a fifth I'll say, like as far as who
I am today being like minor threat, just all the records,
you know, I think they only had like three or
(45:27):
two or three or something like that. But you know
at a step right like those those songs. I'm straight
edge because of I know what straightedge is because of
minor threat. And I watched their like Live nine thirty
Club DVD a million times and watching this is before
I've had ever gone to a show. And I'm watching
people stage nive and like scream into the mic, and
(45:50):
I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Like this is the you can just do this.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I'm like, you can just go there and do that
somewhere like that is insane. And so that was you
just for me where I was like, you know, I
didn't do drugs, I didn't drink all that stuff. I
didn't know what that meant. And then I found straight
edge and because of my threat and was like I
identified with that, and I had had a label, you know,
I had to like be part of a group. I
could be part of a movement. So that alone, you know,
(46:17):
not to mention the music, but you know, just that
alone culturally like just really shaped to who I was.
And and I guess also just like stage stay stuff
I get. You know, Ian was one of the coolest
front men on Earth and totally yeah, he was just
like so like humble, and like come come get the mic,
come get the you know. So I took a lot
(46:38):
of that and so and and applied it to my
live show.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
I feel like hardcore. Yeah, I feel like hardcore.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Has like ruined my ability to go to any other
kind of show because like I just immediately assumed that
I have the right to be on the stage with.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
The yes yes, and just like in general, you're like, oh,
you're not bringing that energy, Like.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
That's the part that always gets me.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Yeah, like if you're if it's not like an interactive
thing where I'm gonna, you know, be burned in twelve
hundred calories during the show as well.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Absolutely, and I don't really want to be a part
of it totally. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, we are spoiled,
we are.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
So it's true.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, uh bo, what.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Do you want to plug?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Obviously a new album coming out here in just over
a month on September fifth, I believe, yeah, and obviously
you guys will be playing shows soon and stuff too,
So yeah, what do you want to say?
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, just the album, like you know, I am so
proud of it, and I hope everyone else feels the
same way I feel about it because I can listen
to the record. I listened to it all the time.
I always I played in the car, you know, multiple
times a day, and I'm just like, oh man, okay,
it makes me feel a certain way. I hopefully it
just does that for everyone else. It was, uh, and
(47:56):
then just going out on tour with Miss may I,
color Blind, Dark Divine with some special guests in some cities.
What was me dropping a gorgeous stuff like that and
just bringing back that old school, that old school feel
with you know, two newer bands with us and but
us and this may I being sort of like the
Grizzled Veterans, And uh, I hope you know, I think
(48:19):
fans of metalcore and are going to have an absolute
blasted our show. It's a great ticket price stuff like that.
So I know, there's like a billion tours going on,
so I hope they choose ours, because then it's going
to be a great time. So yeah, come out and party.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Yeah, I love it. There are just so many great
bands to.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
So many it's crazy. I don't know how people choose.
I don't know how people choose.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
It's you don't have to choose if you just go
to all.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I know, it's like you got I literally work that.
People probably literally work their jobs so they can go
see all the bands a like, because it's.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
With all like a budget line in there. It's a
it's a budget line item now for them.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
For sure, it literally is in my budget. I have
money set aside to go.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
To Yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Right, uh both anything else you'd like to plug?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I just kind of wanted to tell a quick story.
A lot of people don't know this about me, but
I was actually a backup dancer, uh for Justin simmer
Lake at one point, and not many people know that. Yeah,
it was really crazy. So like the Sexy Back Tour,
really I was in the background, you know, some of
(49:36):
his music videos stuff like that. So if you pause
some of his music videos you might be able to
catch me back there.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
So in the shirtless well was this?
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah? Was this also some.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
With shirts some without Yeah on the tour ye on
the Sexy Back Tour. So yeah, I kind of still
integrate some of those moves into our lives that you
might have seen it. Yeah, dang.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
How old do you better on this? This is like eighteen,
nineteen twenty or something.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Uh yeah, yeah, so like when was a Sexy back Tours?
Probably like two thousand and four or something like that.
So yeah, I have like twenty early twenties.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Then, yeah, that's amazing. You know what I think you
should do for the upcoming tour is I think you
should get an all Denhim outfit, including a Denham cowboy hat,
just like Justin did with Britney back.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
In this it's like our boy JT. I know, I've
always wanted to do it. I'm gonna I'm actually going
shopping right after this, and that's one of the things
on my list.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You see. The fun thing about this is that this
will this will everyone will think that you're referencing Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Did she do that?
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Actually referencing is Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Did our girl Sidney do that? Is that her thing?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
It's a It's all over the internet right now. Yeah,
it's a big it's a big conspiracy apparently too.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I don't know what what's the conspiracy? Tell me I'm
here for.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
I don't know that she's like that she's a Nazi
or something. Now. I don't quite understand the behind it.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
But okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Just because she wore some dunum.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
I guess it has it's something to do with a
Levi's ad, but I haven't been to it deep enough
to like quite understand all the references.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
But yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
What a what a leap?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I know?
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, i'd say people really jump to those.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I guess it's the point of a conspiracy. It feels
it feels like a little bit more of a leap
than normal.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Holy count Yeah, well, uh that's uh, that's super cool.
I'm gonna have to go back and watch some of
those live videos from twenty years ago or whenever it was,
and uh see uh see you running around.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I might post a clip on Instagram as like a
throwback Thursday. Do people still do you throw back Thursdays?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
I mean, if they don't, you definitely need to bring
it back.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I think it's a lot Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know.
If that's that was very like millennial of me to
do a throwback Thursday tvt oh.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Man, you post it with a BuzzFeed article, then you're yeah, Okay, cool, cool,
because that's super and.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Like a Tumblr these days, like a Tumblr link of
some kind.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, okay, perfect, exactly, exactly, well both, thank you so
much for chatting more about the new album, your your history,
and the band just.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Really really stoked about the new album coming out, so.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, thanks for so much for chatting, and hopefully we
can hang out again sometimes.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Sorts man, Thank you guys so much for your time.
I'll see you soon.
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