November 4, 2025 • 39 mins
Cullen and Mason chat with Jason Lindquist and Andrew Godwin from Hope Deferred. They chat about both of their history in the legendary metal band, Embodyment. They also chat about their new band, Hope Deferred, and they also talk about much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Today, we've got Drew or Andy as he's sometimes known,
and Jason with us from Hope DeFord. Super excited to
chat with you guys. Uh, I will say, this is
the first time we're meeting YouTube. However, one of your
band members is a has been on the podcast a
couple of times, and that's David Button.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
David is a good friend of Colin and I. And uh,
you know Jason, I think you said you play bass? Uh, Andy,
you play guitar and uh I supposedly David he just
does insurance for the band, right, he doesn't do anything else, right?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh yeah, all the adjusting, he handles all that for us.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, you know, y'all you need a good insurance guy
with the band like Hope DeFord.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So I would like to jump right into this thing.
How in the world does buddies from Embodiment and uh
some people from the Famine get together with the lead
dude from the showdown? Am I missing a band in
there too? Is there one more than I'm missing?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, I think you think that covers it.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Okay, all right, well, so.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
This is a supergroup which is which is badass by.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
The way, So well, it started, you know, from Eric Shiri.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
He's the guy with the car and collective that's actually
helping come alongside us and release this music. But he
was at furdust Fast one year and David came up
to him and was like, Hey, I want to I
want to do some music with Andy. So put a
good word in for me and Eric kind of connected
the dots. And I honestly had never heard The Showdown much.
(02:09):
I mean I heard the name, and I remember seeing
them around while we were touring with the Famine and stuff,
but I never really gave him much of a listen. Dude,
his band is huge, The Showdown is a really big band,
and I didn't quite know the gravity of what he
was going to bring to the table, right. So, when
I mean all said and done, he's really he really
(02:31):
shines bright on this new Hope Deferd record.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
He does such a fantastic job. But yeah, it came
through Eric.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Eric was the guy that kind of connected the dots
between David and us.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Okay, sweet, Well, if we know anything about David, he
casts a pretty wide net. So my guess, and I'm
not trying to, you know, make you guys feel bad,
but he's probably asked, you know, twenty or thirty different
embodiment like bands if he can be in their band
with them. So just let me know. That's just the
way he is.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We're stoked on a great opportunity. Yeah, they missed out
on something. Yeah, it's fantastic. We really like that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Maybe you guys are just the first suitors that that
answered his call.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well maybe, but there's a there's a special chemistry that
that that that is there even in just in the
few short years we've been together. So it's it's pretty
cool having him.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What is it like to have Gary Busey as your
front man?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, I don't know if you guys have seen David
in a live setting yet.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It sounds like you guys haven't done a whole lot
like in the room together.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Is that we h?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I saw some footage, right, some of his furnished best footage,
and you know, I would kind of a deep die
whenever we knew that he was interested in singing for us,
and uh, whatever I can scrounge job, you know. I
think it was the more recent Burness Fast stuff, But man,
I love I love it stage presents.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I think it's fantastic front man.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely really.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Excited, you know, for him to front this style of music,
and just really because it's pretty, it's pretty fast, it's aggressive,
and I don't know, I think he's going to fit
the bill just perfect for what we're.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So yeah, I think I would agree everything I've heard
thus far it's like a marriage made in heaven. It's
it's a wonderful, wonderful sound. Definitely aggressive. I mean, you
guys are pulling no punches here at all. That is
that kind of the tone for the rest of the record,
(04:39):
because we've only heard a few songs so far. The
rest is coming out on Halloween. Very good choice of
day there by the way.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sure, I think I think what you've heard kind of it.
It's you know, it's a variety of what you've heard
so far. I mean, yeah, again to kind of echo
what you know Andrews said about about David. I mean
there's a certain tone.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You know, Andy and I go way back in the
death metal listening era of the early nineties, so some
of our influences go back quite a ways, and you know,
David just fit this spot that like hit.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right where we wanted it, and yeah, I mean, we're
we're excited for for everyone to hear and what is
it the remaining eight songs that are that hadn't been
released yet, so it's gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And Jason for you knowing that you used to be
an Embodiment, Like I would imagine for those old school
Embodiment fans.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
They're like, oh, this tickles my ear again.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
As much as I really loved like the direction you
all went with Embodiment, kind of this more alternative rock style,
I bet some of those old school fans are like this,
this tickles my embodiment to ears a little bit more.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Yeah, I'm sure there's some of that. I mean, I mean, yeah,
definitely some of that. I mean, we we go back
to the early days of Embodiment.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
We're we haven't really looked back quite like that.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
We're just kind of looking at, you know, ahead, and
you know, some of the old school fans from Embodiment
come along with.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know, we're excited for them to be a part
of it.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
But you know, I think it's in And Andy could
probably speak more to this because a lot of this
music is kind of his brain child, But just we
wanted to do something we loved that we were passionate
about that felt right, and we kind of had that
kind of tunnel vision and didn't worry about twenty years ago,
twenty five years ago, Like what do we like right
now and what kind of gives you the goosebumps?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And that's the litmus test for us. So that's just
kind of the direction we've held it.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
You guys, I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I'm thirty three and.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm thirty one, so we were a little kind of
a little young for embodiment in particular.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But I will say Colin and I definitely listened to
the family. Oh so got to say that there was
and the.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Show is a really magical time around embracing ejournal like
Zeo's Blood and Fire, let Me Sacrifice, Reborn, all that
stuff was just kind of mixing. So man, I like
to say, if you were there and you got to
witness it, then man, just hold on to those memories.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I mean, we can't go back in time and try
to recreate it. We're just we're.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
All evolving to as musicians and stuff like that. And
tones wise, I would say that it's not too far
from the famine stuff, Like if you if you. If
you guys picked up on that, then it's a similar
tone and vibe to the Famine.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So as as opposed to the turtle and early embodiment.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But there is elements of of of early embodiment, I
would say, I mean, especially to me, it feels like rhythmically,
it feels very the famine to me, especially architects architects
of guilt. But a lot of the nuance I feel
has a lot of that early in body vibe to me.
(08:01):
I think it lends itself to a very like I said,
nuance sound that it feels full, and it feels like
it's been well thought out and it feels very organic.
Has that kind of been the feeling as well when
you guys went to go record.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Jay, you won't mean to take it?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'll chime in a little bit.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I mean this this this music is a culmination of
what three and a half years. So it wasn't like, hey,
we sat down for four months and said okay, let's
put an album together like this is a you know,
it's been quite a journey and we haven't wanted to
rush any of it, you know, and so there's certainly
(08:45):
it's been well thought out in my mind. And Andy, obviously,
I mean it's coming from you know, his hands, if
you will, where it all starts with the riff, so
he can probably speak more to that than me.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
For me, I guess it was more trying to create
rather than having a song have like twelve different rifts
or parts to it, you actually have a verse of chorus.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know, a bridge and then a verse and a chorus.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It's kind of a traditional song structure to where if
you did like the rift, it's coming back and you're
gonna hear it again and again. So I think it
simplifies it a bit as opposed to the earlier embodiment,
but more like the famine stuff, which is, you know
more I guess song structure heavy.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So sure, sure I could see that.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
What I'm kind of getting a sense of is that
like you might be maybe the main writer.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Like am I wrong in saying that?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Like but but like, yeah, do you have like a
sense of like feeling like you maybe are kind of
taking charge of writing or maybe you reject that.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I'm are not rejected, No, it's you said it.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I mean it's kind of a What I have is
a is I just have I have a tone and
a sound in my head, right, and then I just
it's God given, is how I say it is because
it's very inspired by my relationship with God, and it's
it's just something that comes out and it's just how
(10:15):
I express this art form in this extreme style of music.
And what I've been blessed with is people who come
alongside me and.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Totally love that vision.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Right, Jason, I got John Tooley, Derek Wadsworth and now
David Button and they all come alongside and I'm like, dude,
we love the music, we love the sounds, and we're
just coming in there to elevate it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And that's exactly what they do.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
They with their skill set, they elevate what the project is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is that a gift that you were expressing both an
embodiment and the famine or is this something that maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Has developed sense sense of famine ended?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
No, I was I was always kind of the main songwriter,
you know, back back in Embodiment and the Famine, it
was I was still the main songwriter. I think it
was even more of a group effort back then. Now
we have this ability to kind of it's it's unfortunate,
but yet it is efficient. You can isolate and create
your music in your little jam room, studio or whatever,
(11:17):
and then you bring everybody over to to enjoy it
and get together and perform on the record. So that's efficient.
What you do miss, though, is this this kind of
we call it mojo or vibe that you get in
a in a jam room where everybody can get together
and all have their say or feel that spark all
at the same time. Which is you don't really get
(11:38):
that same experience. So now it's it's efficient, but it's
not as magical, I will say, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Sure. So David sent over the lyrics to us, and
it's pretty clear each song what what what? What you
guys are trying to get a ross? Is that is
that outlet for you something that is kind of like
(12:08):
an expression of your of yourselves? Are you all in
agreement with the lyrical expression? I should say that's what.
That's a better way to.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Say it, I would say, so, yeah. I mean we're
all again to kind of echo what Andy said. I mean,
a lot of this is inspired, you know, and we're
here to support honestly kind of the vision that he's got.
And and you know, I don't think there's been any
conflict with any of the lyrics the music.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I mean, it's just the chemistry that we all have,
man is it's incredible. So yeah, I think I think
that the lyrics in all aspects of what we've been
doing is very cohesive for all five of us.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Awesome. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I feel like when you when you kind of get
a supergroup kind of thing together, although it might be
more of a niche supergroup, I feel like that can sometimes,
you know, create a little bit of maybe not controversy,
but maybe like some tension in terms of, like, you know,
what someone feels versus what another one believes or or whatever.
(13:14):
But that doesn't seem to be the case with you guys.
Do you feel do you feel like you are kind
of all in lockstep in terms of where you would
like to take this thing beyond maybe this record even
or is there a next record and stuff like that?
Is that something you would want to do?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, So you touched on a couple of things there.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I've known Jason for thirty years, so I don't he
played bassin Embodiment. I played Embodiment. We were in a
band before that, and so I've been bros with Jason
for thirty years and John Tooley's a lead guitar player Bros.
For like fifteen years. So we go back and have
this history. But it's all kind of like mindedness. And
(13:56):
that's important for me because I can't have it. I can't,
I don't know. So this is a very precious This
art form to me, right in music in general, is
a very very precious and so I want to share
it obviously with everybody who's into the style of music
and into the heavy stuff. But performing it, man, I
mean you said yourself, you read the lyrics. How much
(14:18):
of a poser would you feel like you are if
you sang those and didn't believe it?
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it's very important to me that everybody.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Believes because there's a there's a there's a connection there,
there's a conviction that comes across in the performance in
this form of art, in the music that you can
literally feel it like in my opinion, and.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's why this also, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
So basically to answer your question, yeah, I think having
this that that conversation of everybody being unified as far
as our beliefs, that's paramount because man, if we come
across a decision that needs to be made, and it's
a difficult one. You're not going to understand where everybody's
coming from unless you have some sort of foundational understanding,
(15:05):
you know, and you can go back to baseline, which
is biblical baseline.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
We we base our lives on our Christian faith and
our belief in Jesus, and so everybody can come back
to that baseline.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's so much easier to.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Forgive and have grace and have mercy and all that thing,
you know, all the things that come along with that.
So but yeah, you said, are there hopes and plans
for record in the future. Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I mean we're.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Getting older, but we we got to take one step
at a time. So the record hasn't even come out
yet as of today, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, So yeah. The only reason I ask that question
in particular is because there's there's been a lot of
great bands that I've listened to. I think of a
band like the Acendicate, for example, who come out with
one absolute banger of an album and then they don't
do anything with it ever again, and it's just very
(16:00):
disappointing because you get super invested. Now I'm invested in
hope deferred as well, and I don't as a as
a listener. I want to be selfish and I want
I want more and more.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Well, I appreciate that, honestly, the natural thing.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
No.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I appreciate that honesty, and I think to in this
day and age, we can consume so much music right
at any time we wanted, it's there, and it's it's
we're hoping that the record because we we spent a
lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of
focus on it. It actually took about four years to
write and release, but it's because we're all, you know,
(16:35):
family men, and we all have jobs and careers, and
so it's just tough to get together to to get
you know, all merge.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Together to record this and even get the songs written.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
But the you know, I I appreciate the honesty that
you're selfish because I I am a bit too.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Like I.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I look at it internally and go, how are we
going to do better than that record? How can we
give anything better than what this is? So you're getting
the absolute best of what we can do right now,
which is really cool. And I think we'll get some
more and I think we'll get inspired again and conversations
with you inspire us too, because if there's a hunger
(17:13):
for it, like you've expressed, that makes that that excites
me and motivates me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, definitely a motivator.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You guys were talking about how like for the most part,
like most.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Of the guys in the band have known each other
for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Even you know, said like, you know, you've known Jason
for almost thirty years, but David somebody's who's who is new? So, like,
what was that process of like kind of bringing David
in this fold knowing like he doesn't have this thirty
year history like the rest of the guys do. So
I'm sure like it's something where it's like you already
know that there's like like mindedness between three other guys
(17:51):
at least. What what is it like trying to bring
somebody else maybe to up to speed or or what
is it one of those things where it's just like
immediately it's like, yeah, we're like we're on the same wavelength.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Buth.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm just curious, like what was that process like of
bringing somebody brand new to you both of you guys
like David into this fold of like guys that have
known each other for a long time and have this great,
great report with.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Wha I mean for me, Well, go go ahead, Drew, No,
I'll take it. So, I mean, gosh, so soon as
soon as I met him, it wasn't a.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Matter of maybe a day. And you know, I'm generally
the sarcastic guy. I'm always kind of a little bit
of a prankster, and and he fit right in like
a brother to me. So and that's always my test,
like can you handle the you know, the sarcasm that
I might throw at somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And he took it well and and and reciprocated it,
and it was like, Okay, he passed the test real quick.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I just I don't know every you said, lock Step.
I think you know a few minutes ago. I just
feel like we're all walking and with the same.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Cadence in the same direction, and it just I don't know,
there's chemistry there that that is critical for this to
go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I was probably a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You know, you're you're asking somebody to be the lead
singer of this kind of baby project that you've been
working on for four years, right, So I was a
little bit like, man, I really hope this guy can
deliver it in the way that we're hoping, right and so,
and also getting him up to speed with our sense
of humor that's been developed over decades and you know
(19:28):
how we relate to each other. But I tell you
our guitar player John Tooley and David have connected in
such a way that, I mean, these dudes are like
super bros now And it was probably you know, I
was telling you guys before how the Showdown and how
huge they were in a much of a big influence
they have over you know, a large audience, and I
(19:49):
had no idea how popular they were. And it's probably
best that I didn't, you know, because I would probably
use that as an asset to him rather than him
just being himself, right, would be a little jaded or
have a have a bias towards Oh cool, this guy
would come sing for us because and he'll bring all
his fan base. I'm I didn't have that actually, because
I didn't really know much about the Showdown. But he
(20:12):
you know, there's something called LSD, which is lead Singer disease.
I don't know if you guys have ever heard that.
Oh yeah, so David doesn't have that you know with
this big No, he doesn't, and you might I'm not
saying you might think he does, but he absolutely does not.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
He's he's super humble, very humble and man.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Because I can be a harsh critic when he's in
there tracking vocals, I can be pretty hard on him
to perform something because when he gives you glimpses of
his ability, like when he was recording and you're going, whoa, bro,
you just hit something there that was super passionate.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
We need you to do that more. You know, he
would take it. He would never be like, no, I'm
done for the day. You know. He would.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
He would rise to the occasion and bring forth this
very emotional performance that I'm just super proud. I'm super
proud of that guy and just glad that he's a
part of what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah. Yeah, this is I'll say this not to not
to be a slight on David at all. He's got
loyal dog energy, you know what I mean. Like, he's
gonna go out and he's gonna do exactly what he
can do best. And if if someone thinks he can
(21:27):
do better, he's gonna he's gonna believe that. And he's
gonna nail it. I love his his energy so much.
The guy's got foods of it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But to start with, he's definitely a golden retriever.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, he's definitely the golden Retriever. And I could see
where he would just fit right in and and you know,
surprise people, especially in new circumstances. Not to mention that,
I mean, he's just immensely talented. To start with, he's
got one of my favorite like lower register, harsh vocals
I've heard in the entire music scene in general. So
(22:05):
hearing that, you know he's going to be a part
of Hope Deferred. I was ecstatic already, and he was
already telling us about this. I think what a two
years ago maybe so he was. He's been chomping at
the bit and he's been very, very excited for this.
So understandably why, I mean, I get it because it's
(22:28):
great music thus far.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
So have you only heard the two singles or have
you heard the whole record.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I've only heard the two singles thus far, but it's
been it scratched my itch and maugh so far.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
More than that, I promise it delivers on if you're used.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
So there's parts of this record that David does or
that is akin to what David does that I think
the fans have showed out where he does that kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
That pitchy scream thing in key. Yes, and there's moments
of that on this record.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Uh captures his his ability to do that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Didn't you guys didn't bring in a Harley to record
in this for this album?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Did you know?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Did the showdown do that?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, they have one of the coolest intros to teach
it was not hospital teacher.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No motorcycles were harmed in the recording of this album.
So oh man, So.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Are they the why that the the d C Talk song?
Weren't they?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yes, they did do a d C talk song.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Why Why did you guys choose Halloween? Is it? What?
Was it intentional that way?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No, I mean, you know, we're not going to ruffle
any feathers there.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, we could get hyper hyper religious with it,
but no, it wasn't. I mean, Halloween's just a cool
time to release the record.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
But we especially when.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
This pacing out the singles and you know, we started
to kind of I know, we wanted to spread it
out over more of a like maybe a two or
three month plan, but it ended up all kind of
emerging for October, and so we were like, let's drop
a single the first, the fifty then let's release the
record on the thirty first, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
I mean we were thinking we were gonna have this
out a year ago and right, so, I mean it
couldn't come out soon enough for us, but you know,
back and forth with mixing and getting it mastered and
artwork and it just, man, let's get it out this year.
That was just kind of where we were in like July,
we'll go, let's just get it out this year, and
it just it's all all the pieces of just fallen
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into place for it to be ready.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Heck, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Well, I know what my soundtrack for what I'm getting
ready to go out with my son and wife for
Halloween is gonna be. We're gonna be dressing up like
Star Wars Sith and uh and listening to.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Some Hope Defend.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So it's gonna it's gonna hit hard. So can't wait.
Should we talk about most influential albums?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I'm afraid that if Jason goes before me, he's gonna
take some of the similar albums, but why don't.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Why don't we just go back and forth because we
grew we kind of cut from the same cloth in
a lot of ways when it came to music that
had heavy influence on us.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And Beautiful I'll let you start, Drew, I'll let you
start with Vulger.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
That's all right, come on, Vote was just one of
the most influential records, you know what I y I'm
going to go back though. It's Master of Puppets for
me from Metallica. I mean it's if you're asking for
the top five, you know I can give them to you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean it's I can give you the top three
for sure right now, and then we'll let Jay do his.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
As far as five, it don't really matter after that,
but it would be a Vulgers Power, not in any
order here. But we've got the Master Puppets, Separateurs, Arise, Suffocations.
I got two in there from a band called Suffocation.
I got Effigy That Forgotten, a Pierce from Within. So
I'll live with those five. Vulgus play Power, Master Tuppets, Sepulteurs, Rise, Suffocations,
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Evagy That Forgotten, and Suffocation appears from with it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'm going with oh go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think it's kind of interesting because bands from people
who started playing music in this scene, specifically from your generation,
so it kind of like a generation before Mason and
I Vulgar seems.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
To be.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Always at the top of the list. What is it
about that record in particular that you think just has
gotten the fancy of the scene, especially the kind of
like the Christian alternative scene.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I don't know why, because it's it seems to be
almost specifically with a lot of like your early tooth
and nailed style bands.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
I will say this, man, So Terry Day was the
producer on that and the tones that he got on
that record set the course for Monster a lot of
different bands, like you wouldn't have the depthtones tone if
you didn't have volit power.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
What he was able to.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Capture with dimes guitar tone and the drums and the
bass and Phil's vocal performance.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
It's just magic, man. I mean that record is magic.
It's really real.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
And there the Pantera's hometown boys for us. I mean
we grew up, we didn't know them necessarily.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We would run into them at you know, Walgreens occasionally
but I mean they were kind of.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Pante was a Pantago sound studio, right, Cowboys from.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Hell and that was it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That was you know, so so so there was always
this kinship of just being local too. But I mean
the the guitar, tones, the drum, I mean, the whole
that whole.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Album is is ridiculous, you know, for me coming from
oddly enough being the bass player, and Justice for All
hit stronger for me as.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
An influence than that it did Master. But I but
both are fantastic.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
That's the correct answer, it right, I mean, the right answer.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Normally there's this there's a cutoff with most people with
Metallica what their last good record was.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And you know my age, I fall into the Injustice
Frauls the last good record.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
You get a few guys that are a year two older.
It's like, no, no, no, Master Puppis was the last good record.
So that's always been a debate. But it falls into
the category for me. But you know, Justice for All
simple to Our Rise was a was a great, great
album that had a huge influence on us.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
There's a band called Malevolent Creation. Even the Apocalypse was
an album from I don't know, nineteen ninety two or
something like that.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Retribution, Yeah, even the Apocalypse was that was the opening
trap of Retribution is the album.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And to me, if you have time to listen to
any of that, like that area of vocal range.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Was kind of a sweet spot that I feel when
it comes to David, like that was kind of an
influence for me, Like, man, this is he just kind
of hits.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That mid rangey below and anyway, you know, so that
that would be kind of in the top there certainly. Yeah,
if you have forgotten for me, even unmetal related would
have been the depeche Mode Violator. So I do have
a little bit of departion, you know, or departure there
from from the metal stuff coming up.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But is that why you were listening a lot when
all those Embodiment fans got really mad at you all.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
No, we were listening to the Depths.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh yeah, we're listening to Foo Fighters or something. Probably
who knows.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
You guys just wanted to be Dad's so bad, right,
that's a great list, it is, you know, to add
a little depeche Mode into that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But like you guys are you guys are metal heads
through and through like that There's there's no question about that.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Jay Or We're gonna give a nod to the bleeding
and can't corpse.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We can't.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
You can't go without saying. I mean that that was
a massive influence too. I mean, you know, put.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
The asterisk there with lyrical content and all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
But I mean, but musically like that was the stuff
I mean that we were. We were so angry being
in the Christian you know, seeing if you will, or
music and try to be influenced by that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was always so hard.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
To find good at that time. You know, let me
sacrifice that was that was a believer. I grew up
listening to those guys. But Andy and I were mortification.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I mean we were a Joshua bookstore, try to
find heavy Christian music, and we found three albums and
then we're like, okay, you know, Holy Soldier is not
gonna cut it. We gotta we gotta find something better.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
And don't know Petra for you, you know, I kind
of missed the petrophase there, but but you know, it
just we we had to find more music. And I
mean I think it was what blockbuster music. If I
recall back in the day, you could go in pick
the CD.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They would open it for you, give you phones and
you could listen to it.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Right, So, I mean we would go up there, seem
like every Friday night trying to find metal.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
We'd go to that section and just dig in. Oh man, gore, guts,
gore fest. I mean, you can find all kinds of
old school disincarn it.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
That'd be another album if you're not familiar with that
one that is incredible dreams of the carrying kind.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So make note of that. That'd be a good listen
if you know, if you have the time for that.
But there's we can go on and on on on
the old school death, not.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
All of it fantastic influence.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
All right, Let's just like what it was like to
go into a Blockbuster on a Friday night, though, what
what an experience.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Let's talk. Let's talk plugs. Obviously record comes out on
October thirty, first Halloween, for the spooky season in your life.
What else would you have like to plug?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's it, That's it, huh.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, we've got a we've got.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Our merche stores in full force, you know. We uh,
we may or may not be dropping some a hoodie
or zippa for winter season.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
So but we're very we're blessed to see how many
people are responding to the merchandise. I mean, you know,
they're just basically this off singles and a little bit
of a legacy of whatever was done before with Embodiment,
the Famine, the Showdown, and we've had quite a great
response and it just it makes a smile because it's
just a bit of a it's honoring and it's flattering
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the same way. So but yeah, I say we're plugging
the merch store. And then obviously, you know, I mean
we're at an age guys where if you buy the record, awesome,
If you don't, who cares, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Mean we don't.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
We're not gonna We're not.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
We want you to enjoy it, you know, because we
do kind of a thing, and that's kind of was
part of the start for this whole thing, was we
want to write and record music that we would want
to hear and that we you know, we we believe
in lyrically and everything. So yeah, I guess I guess
the main focus is that, you know, if you're into
the style of music, if you want to support it,
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then yeah, cool bias CD.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
You're sure you know, or the vinyl and if not
totally cool, I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Please, well that that's good news for me because they
already downloaded it off of line.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Good for you, hey man, even if you even if
you download it off of Spotify or whatever. I mean,
we're only missing like maybe ten cents, so you're good.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And the beauty of it is it's we're just happy
to be writing some good music. And that was like
you said, that's that's what it all comes down to,
is what do we want to hear? That's what we
want to create. And all the other stuff, like literally everything.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Else, the podcast, the interview, which is cool, like all
of that is secondary to just having some music that
we really love.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean I listened to it two or three times
a day.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
I mean it's like because it freaking it gives me
goosebumps every time, like I love it. So I mean,
mission accomplished, you know, and and all this, all the
other stuff that they're on the fringes is just bonus
in my book.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Whenever you listen to it, do you do you ever
like think to yourself, damn, who is that stub muffin
that wrote that baseline?
Speaker 7 (34:09):
And I say Yeah, that was Andy, So yeah, I
think about I think about him all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Jay represents well on this record with that savage pick attack.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Come on, Jay, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Are you guys planning to take this thing out on
the road and all?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Question? Where do you guys live?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I think, I think, I think a show is imminent?
I really did.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Okay, you guys live?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
All right, We're in the Upper Midwest, so chances are
you're probably not coming up here, but maybe we can travel.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Lincoln, Nebraska is a pretty good spot for us one time.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Can you find your way to Lincoln?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like three and a half four
hours from me. But that that's that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Where do you go to see shows?
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Where would be the closest big city for you?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Uh, Sioux Falls for me? For Mason to be Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
But I go to show and the color will come
up to Minneapolis, you know, if there's a big show
happening or whatever.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Twin Cities. We had a lot of fun. Saint Paul
remember Jay's time.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, Oh yeah, Well what.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Was the venue for?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
It was actually a church run venue and it was
a really great spot. Uh, but I can't I mean, honestly,
I can't remember the name of it. A lot of
that's a blur.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It wasn't like Club three degrees.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Whatever it was called some reason that sounds.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
A little has it been around for thirty years? It
wasn't around.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
There was one that was.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
It was something that this was before my time of
living in the Twin Cities, but there was something like like,
don't quote me, I'm sure there's Twin Cities people I
would remember, but it was something like like Club three
degrees or something three degrees or something along. It was
so yeah, and if I remember right, it was a
church run venue that would bring in a lot of
Christian bands and man it was.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
There was a phase where like almost like churches got
a budget to make their own little Christian music club.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I mean a lot of them did it really well.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And it was a lot of fun to play, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I like, I swear to God.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Like some of these youth pastors, part of their job
description was to be a booking.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You're right, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah. They kind of had to be, you know, fans
of of the.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Music in the first place.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Almost so good stuff though, all right, well, anything else
you'd like to plug?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Jay, you should run with this. You're fantastic.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That. I don't you know, I can't think of anything
right now.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I Are you gonna tell him?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Tell him about the background vocals you did on that
one album, Drew.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Oh m hm hm, No he's doing Yeah, we can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We can't do There's nothing to be embarrassed about doing
background vocals for the Wiggles. I'm just saying, like, there's
nothing to embarrassed. The Wiggles are very highly successful band there.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
It's almost like doing background vocals for Weird Out, Like
you think Weird as like cheesy, but then you realize, like, no,
this dude is like brilliant. And I feel like that
way about the Wiggles, like actually really brilliant.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, so nothing.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To be ashamed about that with, you know for you,
and I appreciate the Wiggles.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You're liberating me to to stand up for my past there.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, like stand up for yourself, like you don't need
to be about that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Like, I'm sure there's lots of other things to be
ashamed about for you, but that is not one.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
I did not know you had to fall settled like that.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
It's impressed Colin.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
You know, you guys are really encourage me to to.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
To be bold and to just shoot in. Never tell
a lie. You never tell a lie.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That's right, that's right, right, you let other people do
it for you.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How about how about is this a small nugget of information?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Just let me hear a little fruits out, a little
fruits you know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, no, I've.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Got I've got nothing that I've gotten them.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I thought we were gonna get one of those little
falsetto accents on the fruit salad or potato tato.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But I wish I knew you were.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Acceptance is the first step of the stages of grief.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I'm just saying his.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Kids were His kids were already in their twenties by
the time the Wiggles were around, so you know, he
just he was more.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was more of a tell Tellytubby guy or whatever,
oh God.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Pee wee Herman. Maybe a little yeah, yeah, good stuff,
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Well, guys, it was great to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Super excited for the new album to come out very shortly,
just in a few days. We'll get the episode out
after the album comes out, but just very excited for
you all and and hopefully we'll get to see you
uh in concert at some time. It'd be really fun
to see you guys play live. And I can assure
you this, if we do see you in concert, Colin
and I will be in the middle of that pit.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Just saying sweet.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Suit Falls twenty twenty six. There you go.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Let's let's let's let's make it happen. Let's make it happen. Alright,
good to see you guys again.
Today, we've got Drew or Andy as he's sometimes known,
and Jason with us from Hope DeFord. Super excited to
chat with you guys. Uh, I will say, this is
the first time we're meeting YouTube. However, one of your
band members is a has been on the podcast a
couple of times, and that's David Button.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
David is a good friend of Colin and I. And uh,
you know Jason, I think you said you play bass? Uh, Andy,
you play guitar and uh I supposedly David he just
does insurance for the band, right, he doesn't do anything else, right?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh yeah, all the adjusting, he handles all that for us.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, you know, y'all you need a good insurance guy
with the band like Hope DeFord.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So I would like to jump right into this thing.
How in the world does buddies from Embodiment and uh
some people from the Famine get together with the lead
dude from the showdown? Am I missing a band in
there too? Is there one more than I'm missing?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, I think you think that covers it.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Okay, all right, well, so.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
This is a supergroup which is which is badass by.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
The way, So well, it started, you know, from Eric Shiri.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
He's the guy with the car and collective that's actually
helping come alongside us and release this music. But he
was at furdust Fast one year and David came up
to him and was like, Hey, I want to I
want to do some music with Andy. So put a
good word in for me and Eric kind of connected
the dots. And I honestly had never heard The Showdown much.
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I mean I heard the name, and I remember seeing
them around while we were touring with the Famine and stuff,
but I never really gave him much of a listen. Dude,
his band is huge, The Showdown is a really big band,
and I didn't quite know the gravity of what he
was going to bring to the table, right. So, when
I mean all said and done, he's really he really
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shines bright on this new Hope Deferd record.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
He does such a fantastic job. But yeah, it came
through Eric.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Eric was the guy that kind of connected the dots
between David and us.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Okay, sweet, Well, if we know anything about David, he
casts a pretty wide net. So my guess, and I'm
not trying to, you know, make you guys feel bad,
but he's probably asked, you know, twenty or thirty different
embodiment like bands if he can be in their band
with them. So just let me know. That's just the
way he is.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We're stoked on a great opportunity. Yeah, they missed out
on something. Yeah, it's fantastic. We really like that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Maybe you guys are just the first suitors that that
answered his call.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well maybe, but there's a there's a special chemistry that
that that that is there even in just in the
few short years we've been together. So it's it's pretty
cool having him.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What is it like to have Gary Busey as your
front man?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, I don't know if you guys have seen David
in a live setting yet.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It sounds like you guys haven't done a whole lot
like in the room together.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Is that we h?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I saw some footage, right, some of his furnished best footage,
and you know, I would kind of a deep die
whenever we knew that he was interested in singing for us,
and uh, whatever I can scrounge job, you know. I
think it was the more recent Burness Fast stuff, But man,
I love I love it stage presents.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I think it's fantastic front man.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely really.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Excited, you know, for him to front this style of music,
and just really because it's pretty, it's pretty fast, it's aggressive,
and I don't know, I think he's going to fit
the bill just perfect for what we're.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So yeah, I think I would agree everything I've heard
thus far it's like a marriage made in heaven. It's
it's a wonderful, wonderful sound. Definitely aggressive. I mean, you
guys are pulling no punches here at all. That is
that kind of the tone for the rest of the record,
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because we've only heard a few songs so far. The
rest is coming out on Halloween. Very good choice of
day there by the way.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sure, I think I think what you've heard kind of it.
It's you know, it's a variety of what you've heard
so far. I mean, yeah, again to kind of echo
what you know Andrews said about about David. I mean
there's a certain tone.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You know, Andy and I go way back in the
death metal listening era of the early nineties, so some
of our influences go back quite a ways, and you know,
David just fit this spot that like hit.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right where we wanted it, and yeah, I mean, we're
we're excited for for everyone to hear and what is
it the remaining eight songs that are that hadn't been
released yet, so it's gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And Jason for you knowing that you used to be
an Embodiment, Like I would imagine for those old school
Embodiment fans.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
They're like, oh, this tickles my ear again.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
As much as I really loved like the direction you
all went with Embodiment, kind of this more alternative rock style,
I bet some of those old school fans are like this,
this tickles my embodiment to ears a little bit more.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Yeah, I'm sure there's some of that. I mean, I mean, yeah,
definitely some of that. I mean, we we go back
to the early days of Embodiment.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
We're we haven't really looked back quite like that.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
We're just kind of looking at, you know, ahead, and
you know, some of the old school fans from Embodiment
come along with.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know, we're excited for them to be a part
of it.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
But you know, I think it's in And Andy could
probably speak more to this because a lot of this
music is kind of his brain child, But just we
wanted to do something we loved that we were passionate
about that felt right, and we kind of had that
kind of tunnel vision and didn't worry about twenty years ago,
twenty five years ago, Like what do we like right
now and what kind of gives you the goosebumps?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And that's the litmus test for us. So that's just
kind of the direction we've held it.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
You guys, I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I'm thirty three and.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm thirty one, so we were a little kind of
a little young for embodiment in particular.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But I will say Colin and I definitely listened to
the family. Oh so got to say that there was
and the.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Show is a really magical time around embracing ejournal like
Zeo's Blood and Fire, let Me Sacrifice, Reborn, all that
stuff was just kind of mixing. So man, I like
to say, if you were there and you got to
witness it, then man, just hold on to those memories.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I mean, we can't go back in time and try
to recreate it. We're just we're.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
All evolving to as musicians and stuff like that. And
tones wise, I would say that it's not too far
from the famine stuff, Like if you if you. If
you guys picked up on that, then it's a similar
tone and vibe to the Famine.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So as as opposed to the turtle and early embodiment.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But there is elements of of of early embodiment, I
would say, I mean, especially to me, it feels like rhythmically,
it feels very the famine to me, especially architects architects
of guilt. But a lot of the nuance I feel
has a lot of that early in body vibe to me.
(08:01):
I think it lends itself to a very like I said,
nuance sound that it feels full, and it feels like
it's been well thought out and it feels very organic.
Has that kind of been the feeling as well when
you guys went to go record.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Jay, you won't mean to take it?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'll chime in a little bit.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I mean this this this music is a culmination of
what three and a half years. So it wasn't like, hey,
we sat down for four months and said okay, let's
put an album together like this is a you know,
it's been quite a journey and we haven't wanted to
rush any of it, you know, and so there's certainly
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it's been well thought out in my mind. And Andy, obviously,
I mean it's coming from you know, his hands, if
you will, where it all starts with the riff, so
he can probably speak more to that than me.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
For me, I guess it was more trying to create
rather than having a song have like twelve different rifts
or parts to it, you actually have a verse of chorus.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know, a bridge and then a verse and a chorus.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It's kind of a traditional song structure to where if
you did like the rift, it's coming back and you're
gonna hear it again and again. So I think it
simplifies it a bit as opposed to the earlier embodiment,
but more like the famine stuff, which is, you know
more I guess song structure heavy.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So sure, sure I could see that.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
What I'm kind of getting a sense of is that
like you might be maybe the main writer.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Like am I wrong in saying that?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Like but but like, yeah, do you have like a
sense of like feeling like you maybe are kind of
taking charge of writing or maybe you reject that.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I'm are not rejected, No, it's you said it.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I mean it's kind of a What I have is
a is I just have I have a tone and
a sound in my head, right, and then I just
it's God given, is how I say it is because
it's very inspired by my relationship with God, and it's
it's just something that comes out and it's just how
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I express this art form in this extreme style of music.
And what I've been blessed with is people who come
alongside me and.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Totally love that vision.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Right, Jason, I got John Tooley, Derek Wadsworth and now
David Button and they all come alongside and I'm like, dude,
we love the music, we love the sounds, and we're
just coming in there to elevate it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And that's exactly what they do.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
They with their skill set, they elevate what the project is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is that a gift that you were expressing both an
embodiment and the famine or is this something that maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Has developed sense sense of famine ended?
Speaker 6 (10:55):
No, I was I was always kind of the main songwriter,
you know, back back in Embodiment and the Famine, it
was I was still the main songwriter. I think it
was even more of a group effort back then. Now
we have this ability to kind of it's it's unfortunate,
but yet it is efficient. You can isolate and create
your music in your little jam room, studio or whatever,
(11:17):
and then you bring everybody over to to enjoy it
and get together and perform on the record. So that's efficient.
What you do miss, though, is this this kind of
we call it mojo or vibe that you get in
a in a jam room where everybody can get together
and all have their say or feel that spark all
at the same time. Which is you don't really get
(11:38):
that same experience. So now it's it's efficient, but it's
not as magical, I will say, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Sure. So David sent over the lyrics to us, and
it's pretty clear each song what what what? What you
guys are trying to get a ross? Is that is
that outlet for you something that is kind of like
(12:08):
an expression of your of yourselves? Are you all in
agreement with the lyrical expression? I should say that's what.
That's a better way to.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Say it, I would say, so, yeah. I mean we're
all again to kind of echo what Andy said. I mean,
a lot of this is inspired, you know, and we're
here to support honestly kind of the vision that he's got.
And and you know, I don't think there's been any
conflict with any of the lyrics the music.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I mean, it's just the chemistry that we all have,
man is it's incredible. So yeah, I think I think
that the lyrics in all aspects of what we've been
doing is very cohesive for all five of us.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Awesome. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I feel like when you when you kind of get
a supergroup kind of thing together, although it might be
more of a niche supergroup, I feel like that can sometimes,
you know, create a little bit of maybe not controversy,
but maybe like some tension in terms of, like, you know,
what someone feels versus what another one believes or or whatever.
(13:14):
But that doesn't seem to be the case with you guys.
Do you feel do you feel like you are kind
of all in lockstep in terms of where you would
like to take this thing beyond maybe this record even
or is there a next record and stuff like that?
Is that something you would want to do?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, So you touched on a couple of things there.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I've known Jason for thirty years, so I don't he
played bassin Embodiment. I played Embodiment. We were in a
band before that, and so I've been bros with Jason
for thirty years and John Tooley's a lead guitar player Bros.
For like fifteen years. So we go back and have
this history. But it's all kind of like mindedness. And
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that's important for me because I can't have it. I can't,
I don't know. So this is a very precious This
art form to me, right in music in general, is
a very very precious and so I want to share
it obviously with everybody who's into the style of music
and into the heavy stuff. But performing it, man, I
mean you said yourself, you read the lyrics. How much
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of a poser would you feel like you are if
you sang those and didn't believe it?
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it's very important to me that everybody.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Believes because there's a there's a there's a connection there,
there's a conviction that comes across in the performance in
this form of art, in the music that you can
literally feel it like in my opinion, and.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's why this also, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
So basically to answer your question, yeah, I think having
this that that conversation of everybody being unified as far
as our beliefs, that's paramount because man, if we come
across a decision that needs to be made, and it's
a difficult one. You're not going to understand where everybody's
coming from unless you have some sort of foundational understanding,
(15:05):
you know, and you can go back to baseline, which
is biblical baseline.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
We we base our lives on our Christian faith and
our belief in Jesus, and so everybody can come back
to that baseline.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's so much easier to.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Forgive and have grace and have mercy and all that thing,
you know, all the things that come along with that.
So but yeah, you said, are there hopes and plans
for record in the future. Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I mean we're.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Getting older, but we we got to take one step
at a time. So the record hasn't even come out
yet as of today, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, So yeah. The only reason I ask that question
in particular is because there's there's been a lot of
great bands that I've listened to. I think of a
band like the Acendicate, for example, who come out with
one absolute banger of an album and then they don't
do anything with it ever again, and it's just very
(16:00):
disappointing because you get super invested. Now I'm invested in
hope deferred as well, and I don't as a as
a listener. I want to be selfish and I want
I want more and more.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Well, I appreciate that, honestly, the natural thing.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
No.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I appreciate that honesty, and I think to in this
day and age, we can consume so much music right
at any time we wanted, it's there, and it's it's
we're hoping that the record because we we spent a
lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of
focus on it. It actually took about four years to
write and release, but it's because we're all, you know,
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family men, and we all have jobs and careers, and
so it's just tough to get together to to get
you know, all merge.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Together to record this and even get the songs written.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
But the you know, I I appreciate the honesty that
you're selfish because I I am a bit too.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Like I.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I look at it internally and go, how are we
going to do better than that record? How can we
give anything better than what this is? So you're getting
the absolute best of what we can do right now,
which is really cool. And I think we'll get some
more and I think we'll get inspired again and conversations
with you inspire us too, because if there's a hunger
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for it, like you've expressed, that makes that that excites
me and motivates me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, definitely a motivator.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You guys were talking about how like for the most part,
like most.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Of the guys in the band have known each other
for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Even you know, said like, you know, you've known Jason
for almost thirty years, but David somebody's who's who is new? So, like,
what was that process of like kind of bringing David
in this fold knowing like he doesn't have this thirty
year history like the rest of the guys do. So
I'm sure like it's something where it's like you already
know that there's like like mindedness between three other guys
(17:51):
at least. What what is it like trying to bring
somebody else maybe to up to speed or or what
is it one of those things where it's just like
immediately it's like, yeah, we're like we're on the same wavelength.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Buth.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm just curious, like what was that process like of
bringing somebody brand new to you both of you guys
like David into this fold of like guys that have
known each other for a long time and have this great,
great report with.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Wha I mean for me, Well, go go ahead, Drew, No,
I'll take it. So, I mean, gosh, so soon as
soon as I met him, it wasn't a.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Matter of maybe a day. And you know, I'm generally
the sarcastic guy. I'm always kind of a little bit
of a prankster, and and he fit right in like
a brother to me. So and that's always my test,
like can you handle the you know, the sarcasm that
I might throw at somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And he took it well and and and reciprocated it,
and it was like, Okay, he passed the test real quick.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I just I don't know every you said, lock Step.
I think you know a few minutes ago. I just
feel like we're all walking and with the same.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Cadence in the same direction, and it just I don't know,
there's chemistry there that that is critical for this to
go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I was probably a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You know, you're you're asking somebody to be the lead
singer of this kind of baby project that you've been
working on for four years, right, So I was a
little bit like, man, I really hope this guy can
deliver it in the way that we're hoping, right and so,
and also getting him up to speed with our sense
of humor that's been developed over decades and you know
(19:28):
how we relate to each other. But I tell you
our guitar player John Tooley and David have connected in
such a way that, I mean, these dudes are like
super bros now And it was probably you know, I
was telling you guys before how the Showdown and how
huge they were in a much of a big influence
they have over you know, a large audience, and I
(19:49):
had no idea how popular they were. And it's probably
best that I didn't, you know, because I would probably
use that as an asset to him rather than him
just being himself, right, would be a little jaded or
have a have a bias towards Oh cool, this guy
would come sing for us because and he'll bring all
his fan base. I'm I didn't have that actually, because
I didn't really know much about the Showdown. But he
(20:12):
you know, there's something called LSD, which is lead Singer disease.
I don't know if you guys have ever heard that.
Oh yeah, so David doesn't have that you know with
this big No, he doesn't, and you might I'm not
saying you might think he does, but he absolutely does not.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
He's he's super humble, very humble and man.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Because I can be a harsh critic when he's in
there tracking vocals, I can be pretty hard on him
to perform something because when he gives you glimpses of
his ability, like when he was recording and you're going, whoa, bro,
you just hit something there that was super passionate.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
We need you to do that more. You know, he
would take it. He would never be like, no, I'm
done for the day. You know. He would.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
He would rise to the occasion and bring forth this
very emotional performance that I'm just super proud. I'm super
proud of that guy and just glad that he's a
part of what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah. Yeah, this is I'll say this not to not
to be a slight on David at all. He's got
loyal dog energy, you know what I mean. Like, he's
gonna go out and he's gonna do exactly what he
can do best. And if if someone thinks he can
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do better, he's gonna he's gonna believe that. And he's
gonna nail it. I love his his energy so much.
The guy's got foods of it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But to start with, he's definitely a golden retriever.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, he's definitely the golden Retriever. And I could see
where he would just fit right in and and you know,
surprise people, especially in new circumstances. Not to mention that,
I mean, he's just immensely talented. To start with, he's
got one of my favorite like lower register, harsh vocals
I've heard in the entire music scene in general. So
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hearing that, you know he's going to be a part
of Hope Deferred. I was ecstatic already, and he was
already telling us about this. I think what a two
years ago maybe so he was. He's been chomping at
the bit and he's been very, very excited for this.
So understandably why, I mean, I get it because it's
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great music thus far.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
So have you only heard the two singles or have
you heard the whole record.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I've only heard the two singles thus far, but it's
been it scratched my itch and maugh so far.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
More than that, I promise it delivers on if you're used.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
So there's parts of this record that David does or
that is akin to what David does that I think
the fans have showed out where he does that kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
That pitchy scream thing in key. Yes, and there's moments
of that on this record.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Uh captures his his ability to do that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Didn't you guys didn't bring in a Harley to record
in this for this album?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Did you know?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Did the showdown do that?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, they have one of the coolest intros to teach
it was not hospital teacher.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No motorcycles were harmed in the recording of this album.
So oh man, So.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Are they the why that the the d C Talk song?
Weren't they?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yes, they did do a d C talk song.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Why Why did you guys choose Halloween? Is it? What?
Was it intentional that way?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No, I mean, you know, we're not going to ruffle
any feathers there.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, we could get hyper hyper religious with it,
but no, it wasn't. I mean, Halloween's just a cool
time to release the record.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
But we especially when.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
This pacing out the singles and you know, we started
to kind of I know, we wanted to spread it
out over more of a like maybe a two or
three month plan, but it ended up all kind of
emerging for October, and so we were like, let's drop
a single the first, the fifty then let's release the
record on the thirty first, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
I mean we were thinking we were gonna have this
out a year ago and right, so, I mean it
couldn't come out soon enough for us, but you know,
back and forth with mixing and getting it mastered and
artwork and it just, man, let's get it out this year.
That was just kind of where we were in like July,
we'll go, let's just get it out this year, and
it just it's all all the pieces of just fallen
(24:36):
into place for it to be ready.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Heck, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Well, I know what my soundtrack for what I'm getting
ready to go out with my son and wife for
Halloween is gonna be. We're gonna be dressing up like
Star Wars Sith and uh and listening to.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Some Hope Defend.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So it's gonna it's gonna hit hard. So can't wait.
Should we talk about most influential albums?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I'm afraid that if Jason goes before me, he's gonna
take some of the similar albums, but why don't.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Why don't we just go back and forth because we
grew we kind of cut from the same cloth in
a lot of ways when it came to music that
had heavy influence on us.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And Beautiful I'll let you start, Drew, I'll let you
start with Vulger.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
That's all right, come on, Vote was just one of
the most influential records, you know what I y I'm
going to go back though. It's Master of Puppets for
me from Metallica. I mean it's if you're asking for
the top five, you know I can give them to you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean it's I can give you the top three
for sure right now, and then we'll let Jay do his.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
As far as five, it don't really matter after that,
but it would be a Vulgers Power, not in any
order here. But we've got the Master Puppets, Separateurs, Arise, Suffocations.
I got two in there from a band called Suffocation.
I got Effigy That Forgotten, a Pierce from Within. So
I'll live with those five. Vulgus play Power, Master Tuppets, Sepulteurs, Rise, Suffocations,
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Evagy That Forgotten, and Suffocation appears from with it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'm going with oh go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think it's kind of interesting because bands from people
who started playing music in this scene, specifically from your generation,
so it kind of like a generation before Mason and
I Vulgar seems.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
To be.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Always at the top of the list. What is it
about that record in particular that you think just has
gotten the fancy of the scene, especially the kind of
like the Christian alternative scene.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I don't know why, because it's it seems to be
almost specifically with a lot of like your early tooth
and nailed style bands.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
I will say this, man, So Terry Day was the
producer on that and the tones that he got on
that record set the course for Monster a lot of
different bands, like you wouldn't have the depthtones tone if
you didn't have volit power.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
What he was able to.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Capture with dimes guitar tone and the drums and the
bass and Phil's vocal performance.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
It's just magic, man. I mean that record is magic.
It's really real.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
And there the Pantera's hometown boys for us. I mean
we grew up, we didn't know them necessarily.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We would run into them at you know, Walgreens occasionally
but I mean they were kind of.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Pante was a Pantago sound studio, right, Cowboys from.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Hell and that was it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That was you know, so so so there was always
this kinship of just being local too. But I mean
the the guitar, tones, the drum, I mean, the whole
that whole.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Album is is ridiculous, you know, for me coming from
oddly enough being the bass player, and Justice for All
hit stronger for me as.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
An influence than that it did Master. But I but
both are fantastic.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
That's the correct answer, it right, I mean, the right answer.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Normally there's this there's a cutoff with most people with
Metallica what their last good record was.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And you know my age, I fall into the Injustice
Frauls the last good record.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
You get a few guys that are a year two older.
It's like, no, no, no, Master Puppis was the last good record.
So that's always been a debate. But it falls into
the category for me. But you know, Justice for All
simple to Our Rise was a was a great, great
album that had a huge influence on us.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
There's a band called Malevolent Creation. Even the Apocalypse was
an album from I don't know, nineteen ninety two or
something like that.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Retribution, Yeah, even the Apocalypse was that was the opening
trap of Retribution is the album.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And to me, if you have time to listen to
any of that, like that area of vocal range.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Was kind of a sweet spot that I feel when
it comes to David, like that was kind of an
influence for me, Like, man, this is he just kind
of hits.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That mid rangey below and anyway, you know, so that
that would be kind of in the top there certainly. Yeah,
if you have forgotten for me, even unmetal related would
have been the depeche Mode Violator. So I do have
a little bit of departion, you know, or departure there
from from the metal stuff coming up.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But is that why you were listening a lot when
all those Embodiment fans got really mad at you all.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
No, we were listening to the Depths.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh yeah, we're listening to Foo Fighters or something. Probably
who knows.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
You guys just wanted to be Dad's so bad, right,
that's a great list, it is, you know, to add
a little depeche Mode into that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But like you guys are you guys are metal heads
through and through like that There's there's no question about that.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Jay Or We're gonna give a nod to the bleeding
and can't corpse.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We can't.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
You can't go without saying. I mean that that was
a massive influence too. I mean, you know, put.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
The asterisk there with lyrical content and all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
But I mean, but musically like that was the stuff
I mean that we were. We were so angry being
in the Christian you know, seeing if you will, or
music and try to be influenced by that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was always so hard.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
To find good at that time. You know, let me
sacrifice that was that was a believer. I grew up
listening to those guys. But Andy and I were mortification.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I mean we were a Joshua bookstore, try to
find heavy Christian music, and we found three albums and
then we're like, okay, you know, Holy Soldier is not
gonna cut it. We gotta we gotta find something better.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
And don't know Petra for you, you know, I kind
of missed the petrophase there, but but you know, it
just we we had to find more music. And I
mean I think it was what blockbuster music. If I
recall back in the day, you could go in pick
the CD.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They would open it for you, give you phones and
you could listen to it.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Right, So, I mean we would go up there, seem
like every Friday night trying to find metal.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
We'd go to that section and just dig in. Oh man, gore, guts,
gore fest. I mean, you can find all kinds of
old school disincarn it.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
That'd be another album if you're not familiar with that
one that is incredible dreams of the carrying kind.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So make note of that. That'd be a good listen
if you know, if you have the time for that.
But there's we can go on and on on on
the old school death, not.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
All of it fantastic influence.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
All right, Let's just like what it was like to
go into a Blockbuster on a Friday night, though, what
what an experience.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Let's talk. Let's talk plugs. Obviously record comes out on
October thirty, first Halloween, for the spooky season in your life.
What else would you have like to plug?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's it, That's it, huh.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, we've got a we've got.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Our merche stores in full force, you know. We uh,
we may or may not be dropping some a hoodie
or zippa for winter season.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
So but we're very we're blessed to see how many
people are responding to the merchandise. I mean, you know,
they're just basically this off singles and a little bit
of a legacy of whatever was done before with Embodiment,
the Famine, the Showdown, and we've had quite a great
response and it just it makes a smile because it's
just a bit of a it's honoring and it's flattering
(32:27):
the same way. So but yeah, I say we're plugging
the merch store. And then obviously, you know, I mean
we're at an age guys where if you buy the record, awesome,
If you don't, who cares, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Mean we don't.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
We're not gonna We're not.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
We want you to enjoy it, you know, because we
do kind of a thing, and that's kind of was
part of the start for this whole thing, was we
want to write and record music that we would want
to hear and that we you know, we we believe
in lyrically and everything. So yeah, I guess I guess
the main focus is that, you know, if you're into
the style of music, if you want to support it,
(33:05):
then yeah, cool bias CD.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
You're sure you know, or the vinyl and if not
totally cool, I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Please, well that that's good news for me because they
already downloaded it off of line.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Good for you, hey man, even if you even if
you download it off of Spotify or whatever. I mean,
we're only missing like maybe ten cents, so you're good.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And the beauty of it is it's we're just happy
to be writing some good music. And that was like
you said, that's that's what it all comes down to,
is what do we want to hear? That's what we
want to create. And all the other stuff, like literally everything.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Else, the podcast, the interview, which is cool, like all
of that is secondary to just having some music that
we really love.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean I listened to it two or three times
a day.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
I mean it's like because it freaking it gives me
goosebumps every time, like I love it. So I mean,
mission accomplished, you know, and and all this, all the
other stuff that they're on the fringes is just bonus
in my book.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Whenever you listen to it, do you do you ever
like think to yourself, damn, who is that stub muffin
that wrote that baseline?
Speaker 7 (34:09):
And I say Yeah, that was Andy, So yeah, I
think about I think about him all the time.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Jay represents well on this record with that savage pick attack.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Come on, Jay, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Are you guys planning to take this thing out on
the road and all?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Question? Where do you guys live?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I think, I think, I think a show is imminent?
I really did.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Okay, you guys live?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
All right, We're in the Upper Midwest, so chances are
you're probably not coming up here, but maybe we can travel.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Lincoln, Nebraska is a pretty good spot for us one time.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Can you find your way to Lincoln?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like three and a half four
hours from me. But that that's that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Where do you go to see shows?
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Where would be the closest big city for you?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Uh, Sioux Falls for me? For Mason to be Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
But I go to show and the color will come
up to Minneapolis, you know, if there's a big show
happening or whatever.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Twin Cities. We had a lot of fun. Saint Paul
remember Jay's time.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, Oh yeah, Well what.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Was the venue for?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
It was actually a church run venue and it was
a really great spot. Uh, but I can't I mean, honestly,
I can't remember the name of it. A lot of
that's a blur.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It wasn't like Club three degrees.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Whatever it was called some reason that sounds.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
A little has it been around for thirty years? It
wasn't around.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
There was one that was.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
It was something that this was before my time of
living in the Twin Cities, but there was something like like,
don't quote me, I'm sure there's Twin Cities people I
would remember, but it was something like like Club three
degrees or something three degrees or something along. It was
so yeah, and if I remember right, it was a
church run venue that would bring in a lot of
Christian bands and man it was.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
There was a phase where like almost like churches got
a budget to make their own little Christian music club.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I mean a lot of them did it really well.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And it was a lot of fun to play, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I like, I swear to God.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Like some of these youth pastors, part of their job
description was to be a booking.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You're right, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah. They kind of had to be, you know, fans
of of the.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Music in the first place.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Almost so good stuff though, all right, well, anything else
you'd like to plug?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Jay, you should run with this. You're fantastic.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That. I don't you know, I can't think of anything
right now.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I Are you gonna tell him?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Tell him about the background vocals you did on that
one album, Drew.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Oh m hm hm, No he's doing Yeah, we can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We can't do There's nothing to be embarrassed about doing
background vocals for the Wiggles. I'm just saying, like, there's
nothing to embarrassed. The Wiggles are very highly successful band there.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
It's almost like doing background vocals for Weird Out, Like
you think Weird as like cheesy, but then you realize, like, no,
this dude is like brilliant. And I feel like that
way about the Wiggles, like actually really brilliant.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, so nothing.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To be ashamed about that with, you know for you,
and I appreciate the Wiggles.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You're liberating me to to stand up for my past there.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, like stand up for yourself, like you don't need
to be about that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Like, I'm sure there's lots of other things to be
ashamed about for you, but that is not one.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
I did not know you had to fall settled like that.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
It's impressed Colin.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
You know, you guys are really encourage me to to.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
To be bold and to just shoot in. Never tell
a lie. You never tell a lie.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That's right, that's right, right, you let other people do
it for you.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How about how about is this a small nugget of information?
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Just let me hear a little fruits out, a little
fruits you know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, no, I've.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Got I've got nothing that I've gotten them.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I thought we were gonna get one of those little
falsetto accents on the fruit salad or potato tato.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But I wish I knew you were.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Acceptance is the first step of the stages of grief.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I'm just saying his.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Kids were His kids were already in their twenties by
the time the Wiggles were around, so you know, he
just he was more.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was more of a tell Tellytubby guy or whatever,
oh God.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Pee wee Herman. Maybe a little yeah, yeah, good stuff,
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Well, guys, it was great to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Super excited for the new album to come out very shortly,
just in a few days. We'll get the episode out
after the album comes out, but just very excited for
you all and and hopefully we'll get to see you
uh in concert at some time. It'd be really fun
to see you guys play live. And I can assure
you this, if we do see you in concert, Colin
and I will be in the middle of that pit.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Just saying sweet.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Suit Falls twenty twenty six. There you go.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Let's let's let's let's make it happen. Let's make it happen. Alright,
good to see you guys again.
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