October 14, 2025 • 57 mins
"Beginner's Love," chapter 11. In this 1983 Norma Klein novel, Joel and Dad visit Yale and do weird things in the hotel room, Leda lives her best drag nun life, and Berger sets himself up for a lifetime of prank calls. Join Molly and Jody as they do dramatic readings, talk about antiquated psychiatric diagnoses, and solve a perplexing Joy of Sex mystery. It's a (sometimes) Judy Blume book club. Join us every other week!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi, I'm Jody and I'm Mollie and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's Judy Bloom book up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
All right, y'all. Last episode we told you we were
going to do chapters ten and eleven, but we spent
so much time yeah thing, that we had to save
chapter eleven for today. So that's what we're gonna do. Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So reading Beginner's Love, which is not a Judy Bloom book,
but I do think it's still important to do the
Judy Manuti, where we take one minute or less or
more to talk about the most Judy Bloom thing that
happened to you this week.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Jody, do you have one? Also?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
At time of recording, it is your birthday week, so
everybody's saying happy every week. Thank you present you must
edit this episode?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, sorry. First and foremost, I want to thank you
for saying that this segment is important, because it is.
I think it's become a fan favor. It's one of
my favorite moments of the podcast. So Molly, you already
know this. I told you offline, but my gd minudi
is that I bought a new hump toy for the
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dog bo.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You really you were encouraging him, just like the parents
in all of these books encouraged their children in budding pubessence.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes, I'm very sex positive. I understand that it's just
all a part of, you know, being a four year
old dog. The only thing is he rejects every new
Hump toy I get him. I'm buying him new hump
toys because his old one is disgusting. Boy. It is
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a stuffed chili pepper from Marshall's, but he has torn
out all of the stuffing from the inside, so then
I have put another stuffy like another full stuffed animal
inside the chili pepper casing, so pretend that it's the
original chili pepper. He will have nothing else, So I
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just don't need to do at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Hey, the heart wants what the heart wants.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. What about you, Molly dog mom?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What about me?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, I work in I have a contract job now
as a copywriter at an ad agency. And I, oh,
I already said this because I said my embarrassing work
drama last time, but it I have a feeling like,
oh shoot, I really want to prove myself because I
want them to extend this job. And I got pulled
into this assignment last minute, and I was writing like
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so many lines and none of them were working, And
eventually I was like, oh, man, I guess I've never
written anything good in my life. I guess I hate
this job. I guess I hate advertising. I guess I
hate it all. And then seconds later I came up
with a really good line and I was like, oh, actually,
never mind, I'm okay. So I felt like, you know,
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the dad in the Fudge series is works in advertising,
and I know from reading those books that he kind
of goes up and down too. So I just want
to say I salute you, Warren Hatcher.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I felt your presence this week.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm so glad you weren't ready to like throw in
the towel and move to Princeton.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I really thought about becoming an art Is he the
one that no, he wants to be like a writer,
a regular writer.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, but yeah, I came around.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So are you able to tell us what the line is?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yes, it's it's gonna sound weird out of context, and
who knows if the pick it. It was for a
billboard for a suite of household appliances to like wash
your dryer, fridge, et cetera. And we didn't know what
to call this grouping of appliances, and so my boss
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came up with the idea of like, oh, it's like
a it's like the starting lineup. And then she's like, well,
if we call it the starting lineup, we have to
have like a sports payoff line. And I like, couldn't
think of anything, could then thinking anything, couldn't think of
anything having an existential crisis. And then I was like,
the starting lineup that makes your home run.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's like because sports.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
My god, Molly, I honestly like did a backflip, like yeah.
But also, as I say, the more I say it
out loud, the more I'm like, no, why do we
need to bring sports into this? I don't understand why
that was happening. But if that's the assignment.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Here you go totally. It's not your problem. Your problem
is you solved it in the best possible way. And
I mean that's just perfect. It can't get more perfect
than that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, if you see that on a billboard somewhere, no,
I wrote that, Yeah, that's my Judy Minudi. So do
we want to recapital call really quick?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Let's do it. Okay, We've got Joel. He is the
main dude. I am still waiting for him to redeem
himself in any way, but hasn't happened yet. Lida, we
love her, I mean no notes. She is a very
cool girl and I want to be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The worst thing about Lida is how much she likes Joel.
That's her only flaw.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, exactly, She'll learn, She'll learn, ye. Danny is Lyda's
bestie and she's kind of quiet and she likes to
read books and she has huge tiss and she has
had sex before. And then there's Burger, who's Joel's bestie
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and he is oh my god, there's I keep thinking, like,
what character does he remind me of? There's some sitcom character.
He's like the next door like fun guy that like
comes over and cracks jokes and it's kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it's an archetype. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And then there's Burger's love interest, which is a lady doctor.
She's a mystery jogger doctor who saved him when he
almost died tripping over a beer bottle at the Simon
and Garfunkle Show. Burger has a little sister, Hope she's eleven.
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She is really into tennis and gymnastics and wants to
show everyone how good she is at the splits. There's
always like a there's a hope moment, like hey, you
want to watch me do it split? And then we
have Mom and Dad Joel's mom and dad, and uh yeah,
(07:09):
I think they're interesting. Dad seems like sometimes cool, sometimes not.
Mom seems a little hand hands off, but she's a
nice mom. She makes lasagna. Knocks is Joel's big brother.
He lives in la and he's fancy and he is
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newly engaged to Angelica Angelica spivak Ramone Lyda's ex lover
x fling situationship. Yes, he they tried to have sex,
they couldn't make it work. He is a thorned Joel's side.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who is he?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Then we have Gerald Finn, who is mom's ex husband,
actually ex husband. He was very rich, much older than her,
and he bequeathed her his art books and he is
a thorn in Dad's side. M hm Obra friend of
mom and dad's hot friend. She has some tomato plants
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and she likes to show all the men her tomato plants.
Apparently Constance Gibson she is an old college flame of dads.
I feel like soon to be a thorn in mom's side.
And Meg Gibson is Constance's daughter who is at Yale, and.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah she's Oh she has an older boyfriend too. Oh
it's illegal to go two pages without someone being an
age gap relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's illegal. Sound the alarm that happens? Okay, yes, chapter eleven. Oh,
I have some quick notes of thoughts that popped into
my head during the week that I want to revisit. Okay, okay,
So back to the joy of sex. Remember how you
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read this painful sounding passage about rolling a braid into
a vagina? Okay, So I think that you were thinking
the braid is rolled up and then shoved into a vagina.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
No, I was kind of thinking, tip of the braid,
I is going inside.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, but but it's going something is going inside. Yeah, okay,
So I think what they meant was, no, this is
so much less bad rolling up the braid like in
a coil, like a cinnamon roll or something. Okay, in
creating a vagina out of the braid. So the pee
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goes in the braid coil.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh, that's so interesting, right, that's so smart. I mean,
it's still weird.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But yeah, it's like, what do they call it when
you do it on somebody's like the their elbow.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Isn't it called like frauding is wrong?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's wrong tribe?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh fritage.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, okay, so it's like that, but with a braid. Okay,
that's less that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, well, I think okay, we have to reread.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let me see. I think I can beat and pasted.
This is horrible.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'm picturing you jolting upright in the middle of the
night and being like, wait a second, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's not Oh, I think you're right, it says. Okay,
it says.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
The other two substitute sites are the hair long hair
or plaits can be rolled into a vagina or the
penis lassoed with a loop of it. Though some women
may object it's a.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Bore to wash.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay. Substitute sites does seem to add credence to your theory,
because maybe it's talking about different places you can blink in.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh you are so smart, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This is where this is what occupies my brain.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We solve the mystery still, you know, not something I
would love to do.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, No, I do like the how they acknowledge that
washing your hair is a chore.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So though, I will say, it is my dream to
find a man who knows how to braid hair really well.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So listen, if I find a man.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Who is very nice and funny and can French braid
my hair, all bets are off, like, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That is such. Being French braided feels so good.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It does, it does, and it just doesn't happen as
much in my adult life as I would love it too.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Every now and then, I feel like every now and then.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If you get drunk with a bunch of girlies, someone
will start hair braiding, which is nice, but you never know.
It's hard to instigate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would
love a lover who would French braid my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They can be taught, They could be taught.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Can you French braid your own hair?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Na?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
No, it's not for me to do.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I mean, it doesn't feel as good, but I think
I'm better at French braiding my own hair than I
am with other people's hair.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You're so cool. Anyone who can French braid their hair
like that is very cool to me. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't know how good it looks, but that's my mind.
It looks amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wow, thanks for solving that mystery.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You're welcome. Another quick note. This one is a little
less lighthearted, but I realized that the hospital where Burger
was taken after the beer bottle incident, Saint Luke's, is
the same hospital where Norma died.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh that's so sad. That's really sad.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We are legally required to have age gap talk and
talk about sad parts of norma client's life. So yeah, perfect.
No one's going to jail this episode. Wow, that's so
that's so haunting.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Another Norma connection, though, this one's more fun. I was wondering, what,
you know, what was her connection to Yale. She has
a lot of Yale talk in this episode. And she
did teach writing at Yale.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And she got married at Yale.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Oh that's cool. I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I found her wedding announcement.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We can post it, we can please, And.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Me I did the teeniest.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Bit of research about Yale becoming co ed. So we
can talk about that when it comes up, because it
comes up a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
In this stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But wow, that's so cool. Wow Norma Cline, Oh sorry,
did she go to Yelle or she just taught there?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
She just hot there?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Okay, I was gonna say Norma Cline Rory Gilmore have
the same alma mater, but I guess not.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh she went to Brandy.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, Oh, that sounds right. Hold on.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Barnard, Barnard, Yeah, Barnard.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I don't know about you, but as like a West Coaster,
there is just something so romantic about these like East
Coast universities like San Francisco State. I'm sorry, I love
your kid. Will never just will never ask this kind
of swag as like a Barnard.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Oh yeah, like the grand halls still have like the
polished oak and you know there's a musty smell and
the book stacks and haunted bell towers.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Or what's the what's the other one? What's the one
where Lena Dunham went Oberlin? Oberlin sounds so sexy totally.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hey, maybe you can get married at one of the
East Coast colleges and then that'll, you know, get you
close enough that counts, you're right, yeah, lol, buying a
sweatshirt like, oh not just graduate there, I just got
married there.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh boy, Okay, get into chapter eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Chapter eleven, all right, So, speaking of Yale, Dad is
going to take Joel up to visit Yale. That's Dad's
alma mater. And you, I mean, we all know Dad
wants to go there.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah. Did you ever go on a trip like this
looking at colleges?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes, oh nice with your family.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
With my mom because I was living in London at
the time, and we took, uh, chose just randomly chose
a bunch of colleges on like the East coast and
like mid Atlantic area because at that point my parents
thought they might eventually end up moving back there. They
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were thinking that my dad's job might land up in
Virginia at some point, which never happened. So I ended
up going to JMU in Virginia because, uh, because it
was a nice sunny day when I went, and they
were cute skater boys on the quad and I was like, yes,
this is for me.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They you know, colleges really underestimate how much that matters, Like.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That matters so much.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You just wanna You just want to go where you're
gonna meet cute boys and fun people and have good parties.
And I remember, you know the questionnaire you fill out
when you're being assigned a dorm.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I chose, you know, they're like smoking or non smoking.
And I knew that I didn't really want to live
in a smoking dorm, but like, I was a social smoker,
but I didn't want to have like smoke in my clothes.
But I chose the smoking dorm because I thought the
cooler people would be living in the smoking No.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, I can see the trajectory. My college roommate must
have been my second year roommate or someone one of
my friends. The first day of school, she bought a
pack of American spirits because she's like, well, I'm gonna
have to make friends at the designated smoking Area. That's
the only place to make friends. You gotta go to
the DSA.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Totally, don't exactly smoke.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Everybody, don't smoke. It's bad for you. Yeah, it looks
cool as hell. Okay, it does. I can't say it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
What so did you go on a college tour.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We did my I think it was my mom and
I and my brother. For some reason, I don't know
why he didn't stay home, but he came with us.
And I basically like knew I wanted to go to
SF State, like from the second they accepted me. But
my mom was like, no, we got to go look
at other places. So look at s of State first. Honestly,
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same thing happened, except for instead of skater boys. I
was like, improv looks fun as hell.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I gotta be here.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And then we drove up to Sonoma State and snowa
State is gorgeous. It's really nice, but it's just way
the hell out there there.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
There was no way.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
They were all like, oh, yeah, you could drive to
the city. It's only like an hour to drive to
San Francisco. Like, yeah, no thanks. So those only two
ones we went to. But I remember we stayed in
Fisherman's Wharf and I was like, this is probably where
I'll hang out all the time with my college friend, like.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And then sad.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
When we got back home my childhood cat had died.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
This is awful. This is what happens when you go away.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
This is a bad Omen, Now you can never go
to college.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Luckily I ignored that Omen and everything was fine. But
that was a bummer town and to an otherwise very
fun trip.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I remember my mom and I fighting the entire time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's just it's stressful.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's so stressful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh well Joel, yeah, finds it very chill. He is
not stressed. He's still set on a year in Paris.
But he goes because why not. But before they go,
Joel calls Lida to tell her he'll be out of
town and let's read this.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Okay, Oh that's okay. Danny and I are going to
go to this dance. It's what dance, you know, just
to dance. Doesn't your school have them? And we might
go to Rocky Horror with a bunch of kids afterwards.
Danny's never seen it. But what if I had been there,
then you could have come. I don't get it. Lead
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what's the point of going to a dance? They're fun?
But aren't we? I thought we were going together. We
are that. That doesn't mean I'm entering a convent anyway.
I hate that expression going together. It sounds so fifties ish. Well,
I guess you know what you're doing, Joel, Come on,
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nothing's gonna happen. What are you worried about. Oh, I'm
worried that nine million guys will make sense at you
so I can duck. Look, I love you. Why are
you so insecure? The guys in my school are jerks,
most of them. And I just like dancing. We'll have fun.
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I will. I'll try to anyway. And I don't get
this bit about trying to make me guilty. It's dumb.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh true.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Good for you, Lida. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yes, yes, so yeah. Joel continues to disappoint us, and
then though we hear about Rida's fashion selections.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh, don't we love her even more?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So it sounds like she's gotten on the mini skirt train. Yes,
she has bought all these mini skirts and they come
up to three inches below her butt.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh my gosh, doesn't sound very many to me.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, it sounds kind of modest.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Actually, I just saw this mini skirt for sale on
TikTok shop and it's so short that it has underwear
built into it. Oh, not even an inch below you cheeks,
like the bottom of your cheeks hanging out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh oh, she.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Would have loved that.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Alright, p Lita, I wish you could have seen TikTok
shop mini scars.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, she's really into colorful tights too, so I guess
if her ass cheek were to hang out, who cares,
it would be like, you know, encased by tight Oh
and then legwarmers, leg warmers. This is so flash dance
Fame Olivia Newton John It's just the perfect eighties picture.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, it's funny too that he's like, oh my god,
she's dressed so slutty. It's like girls.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She literally has tights and leg warmers.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, she's covered.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, she's all covered.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There's a whole part about Danny not being able to
wear a cute fashions because her parents think it'll make
her a slut and she might get raped on the
subway and.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yikes y x x yikes.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, And at least Joel thinks that's dumb, but he says,
you should see Lyda in her mini skirt. It comes
just over her butt, maybe three inches, and she wears
these very bright tights and various colors. Sometimes she wears
these strange things called leg warmers, which are hard to describe.
They're like crumpled up wool stockings or she wears her
(23:24):
fry boots. No matter what she wears, it's definitely a
sexy outfit. The day before Joel goes to see Yale,
Burger shows him a secret. He's been working on. This
Burger b plot keeps going and going. He's made flyers
(23:44):
to find his hot doctor. And I'm gonna read you
what they say to the sexy doctor who saved my
life at the Simon and Garfunkal concert. Colin, you were jogging.
I was an incredible pain me to the hospital. You
are beautiful and have long black hair. I haven't stopped
(24:04):
thinking about you for one second. My friends fear for
my life, take pity on a desperate soul called five
five five four three three two between four and six.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I fear this would work on me. I love Furger.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I would be charmed.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, this is funny. This is fun.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So he's enlisted Hope to be his secretary. And what
she's gonna do is wait by the phone from four
to six every day, answering calls and like weeding out
all the prank calls and nut jobs. That's a big
responsibility because I feel like this could attract a lot
of weirdos.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Rule number one is don't put your phone number out there,
especially well, I guess you can't look up phone numbers
by number, but I was gonna say, couldn't you look
in the phone book and see where that person lived?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But I guess not.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to like reverse search like that.
But yeah, I think I feel like this is going
to backfire. Joel thinks it's going to backfire too. He
knows there's no stopping Burger, and he calls him a monomaniac,
and I was like, oh, that's a fun word. So
I looked up monomania really quick, tiny special report.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
In the early eighteen hundreds, monomania was a new disease
concept that started in France whoa, And it was characterized
by the presence of a fixed idea. So in e
day fixe, the mind was considered diseased and deranged in
some facets, but otherwise normal. So there were three I know,
(25:49):
I'm like relatable. There are three broad categories of monomania,
so one is intellectual, two is emotional, and three is volitional. Faculties.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Emotional monomania was when a patient was obsessed with only
one emotion or several related to it, like love or
lust or jealousy. Intellectual monomania is related to a delirious
idea or ideas. So maybe you are obsessed with aliens
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or God or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Those are the options.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, let's just say, for example.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Trains trains, yes, yes, and you know I couldn't really
find anything about the volitional faculty no, but you know,
we can all do our own resort.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Wait, if I'm thinking backwards, so doing something of volition
means like you chose it, and faculties, I wonder if
that means like like intrusive thoughts I guess as what
we call it now? Maybe maybe or like repetitive movements.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I don't know, yeah, maybe like OCD kind of stuff.
Oh yeah, Well, two examples listed here are pyromania and kleptomania,
So maybe that's maybe that's that one. But as a
diagnosis it didn't last too long. It had a good
run of a couple of decades. It fell out of
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fashion in psychiatry circles when people started to realize the
mind is much more complex and faceted.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Wow, that's so interesting. Thank you for doing that deep dive.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I love a bygone psychiatry. So the next day,
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Dad and Joel drive to New Haven and you look
around the campus and they see the dorm Dad used
to live in, and Dad's just kind of a little
bit introspective and quiet, and Joel seems relieved that he
doesn't have to hear all about it.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I do want to say, this is the first mention
of Yale being co ed and that being a recent thing.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I looked it up.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
The year that Yale became co ed, and let me
make sure I'm getting this right, is nineteen sixty nine. Whoa,
it wasn't until nineteen sixty nine that the first undergraduate
women arrived at Yale.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Wow, so I don't know that. I'm obviously it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Was that that happened. I guess while Dad was there.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know how to do math, but it sure
sounds like it happened. He had part of the time
where it wasn't co ed, because he says now that
it's co ed. So if this is what nineteen eighty three, yeah, okay,
so that must have happened during Dad's time, didn't RBG.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Wasn't she? Oh no, wait, she was, like, you know,
one of the few women enrolled in her class at
law school. But I don't know if it was Yale
or somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'll let you check, because if Ruth Bader Ginsburg went
to college with dad, that's that's important.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That is important. Okay, she went to.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Cornell, that might have been her under Oh and then
she went to Cornell in Harvard, so yeah, rival never mind,
So she she and Elle Woods have the same alma mater. Dad, though,
you know what sucks is in the RBG biopic Armie
Hammer is in it. And unfortunately, Armie Hammer very hot
(29:56):
in that biopic. Like I understand he's a bad person,
but the high difference alone is sexual to me. So anyway,
don't smoke, don't think about.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Army for sure, But is high gap the new age gap?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'd love to find out. I'd love to find but
not with.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Army, Not with Army, not with Army. Lee Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Okay. So back to Dad. He decides now
is a good time to give Joel some fatherly advice.
But it's like the most surface level fatherly advice and
super shallow, and basically he's just like, don't be a
schmuck with women.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I wrote in the margins too late.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, too late, too little, too late, too little, too late.
Let's read this, Okay, don't be a schmuck with women.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Joel wasn't planning too, Dad.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
No, I mean it. They're sensitive. There's no way around it.
The good ones are sensitive. You just have to treat
them well. You'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'll shut up in one second. But just one final
thing about set. I don't care what the women's live
people say. Women take it more seriously than men. They
can't help it. It's biological. So don't if she's a
nice girl and I assume she is fool around and
make her life miserable. Okay, don't worry Dad.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Honestly, I think that is the start of some really
good advice.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It's a yeah, it's the start.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
There's something the heart behind what he's saying is good.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And then Dad continues, Oh, the Tap. They're talking about
the hotel. They're staying at the Tap hotel. The scene
of one of my few furtive attempts at losing my
virginity while at college.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Who was she?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
She was?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
God, I'm totally blocking her name. I'll tell you what
she looked like though. She was tiny, five foot maybe,
with fluffy blonde hair, adorable, kind of scatterbrained joy Joy
to the world. My roommate called her. We met at
a party I don't even remember. I invited her down
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for the weekend and put her up at the taft Damn,
so what happened. We came up to her room, we
made out a little. Everything was much slower in those days.
She arched back her head and in solemn tones, said,
I'm much more neurotic than you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Clean shit.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, the trouble was, she seemed pretty neurotic without even
having without my even thinking about it, I guess I
decided trouble ahead, and you know, more than it was worth.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Uh, Norma, That is such a funny bit of writing.
It's really all right.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh, I love.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
A girl pulling back from a makeout and being like,
I'm much more neurotic than you can possibly imagine.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like hell, yeah, that seems very like I don't know,
like Meg Ryan or something.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Like, yeah, it does seem like that seems very like Elaine.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
From Hill Too.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I love it. I'm gonna start doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Try it, try it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Actually, that is a funny dare.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, if you are a married head or if you
have like a stable partner, and you write us a
letter about trying this out in the boudoir, we'll send
you a prize.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we got some good he's waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Here's a dare.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You have to say that completely straight faced after macking,
and if you write in and tell us you did that,
we'll send you a prize.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
But we can't take any responsibility for negative outcome.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, if something bad happens, you're on your own, as
with anything, but you still get a prize. But you
will still send you a prize for trying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So Dad and Joel have a nap and then they
go out to dinner. Dad is very snobby about the
quality of the food at this place. It's not outstanding,
but it's edible, okay, And let's talk about what they ate.
So Joel gets fried clams, mashed potatoes, and salad and
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Dad gets beef BORGI and uh that's and I guess wine,
but like fried clams and beef borgion. I mean you
just you don't hear about that anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, it is funny how some foods kind of fall
out of out of vogue.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, though, I will say, there are you can still
get fried fried clams places. I had some gray fried
clams at Neptune's Net, which is a a Malibu restaurant,
which were great.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I've been there. We didn't have the fried clams, but
oh my god, I love that place.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I love that place so much.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think about it a lot. I've only been once,
but it was so fun, so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
But yeah, we're going on. You never see that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Oh, but clocking Joel eating clams. I don't remember if
he said he ate fish before.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's right? Oh good, so pescatarian m or capontarian. Joel
notices Dad is staring at some people at another table,
and Dad's like, is that, No, it can't be. Why
I do believe none other than Constance Gip. Wow, Constance Gibson.
(36:04):
Remember what I was saying before about being a schmuck
with women. Uh huh, Well I was a schmuck with
Constance Connie. Oh I cringe to remember it. Just picture
this lovely lovely girl, long legs, blonde hair, hazel eyes.
She came from some little town in Illinois. Can you
imagine wilderness? It wasn't until she was in high school
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that her parents had indoor plumbing installed. She milked cows, sweet, innocent.
So how did you dream her like a schmuck?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was always after her. I thought I was such
a big deal because I was taking a couple of
philosophy courses, because I'd read more than her over breakfast.
I'd read her Rilka in the original Jesus. She didn't
know German, she'd never read a poem. I got her
so upset about all she didn't know that. She went
(36:59):
home Christmas vacation and she screamed at her parents. Why
didn't you tell me about real cup? Why didn't you
tell me about Dostoyevsky?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
She said.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Her mother just looked up at her. She was probably
sitting there in a Gingham apron churning butter, and she said, dear,
we didn't know. God, when I think of that scene, dear,
we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, it's so funny. This is just masterful writing. This
is so funny it is.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And then Dad decides to go over and talk to
Constance Gibson. It's her turns out. She's there with her
daughter Meg, who goes to Yale Law school. And Joel says,
she could be pretty, but she has bad skin. Shut up,
and she covers it with makeup, So like, okay, So
(37:52):
if she didn't cover it with makeup, would you think
that was any better? Probably? Not?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh my god, I wish we could get her pimple.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh god, why did it take so long for pimple
patches to be invented?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I don't know, that is truly, like why so simple?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Back in my day it was that like flesh tone
clear a cel that was nobody's flesh tone.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I know you could always tell, and it did like
burn your zits right off.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh my god. You know what else?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Remember the gosh was it nexema that had the little
pads that you wiped across your face and it.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Was oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know how people say they wish they could go
back in time and give like a Victorian child a
a dorito. I would like to go back in time
and truly every century hand out pimple patches. Yes, if
I could hand out pimple patches and full strength, I'd
be profen to all the baddies in history.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Angels sent from heaven.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's what I would do. That would be my mitzvah
is full strength. I'd be proven. Pimple patches end of
the list.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And they're very light, so they would travel easily in
your time travel suitcase ease.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I could have a billion of them. Now I'm thinking
of all the things I wish I could give them.
But if I could do too, just too, I would
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, Constance is not hot, but the mom is hot.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You do want to read this description?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Read it, okay. Connie, the mother, my father's old girlfriend,
was pretty attractive for someone that age. She had blonde hair,
very neat turned under, and big blue tinted eyeglasses. She
looked like the kind of sexy librarian or teacher or
secretary in a movie who somewhere along the line falls
(39:46):
in love with the hero, takes her glasses off and
gets drunk. Like, that's so specific, but I know exactly
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yes, yeah, love it love a tinted eyeglass. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I wonder if they were like transition lenses. Interesting, Yeah,
Joel's left alone at this table by himself. Dad's getting
along famously with all constants. And then after his dessert,
Joel just goes back to his hotel room and he's alone, depressed.
(40:18):
He tries to play himself some guitar throw.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Around on You're Missing a whole part where he does
go over to the table and they talk to Constance
and her daughter, and yes, yeah, she she's like really
excited to see uh, to see dad. They're kind of
they're definitely like flirting kind of, and she's like, it's
(40:44):
so healthy that girls are so free nowadays, and lo ol.
Constance was six months older than dad. Dad apparently was
a poet in college and she quotes lines of poetry
back then him.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Crazy, yeah, like his poetry.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Right, So that's interesting. But also mind you a page
before they said she'd never heard a poem before, so like,
don't trust her taste.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Uh blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Okay, And they they mentioned that her daughter is dating
someone who's been married twice, and that's bananas for like
a college sophomore. I didn't see how old she was,
but that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't love that.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, okay, And now we're to the way you're picking up,
where Joel is like playing wonder Wall to himself or
what's the song from the Barbie movie?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's like the how Wan I Take You from Ran?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Like he's in the hotel room playing that by himself.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yes, because you know, he's so convinced that his guitar playing.
Really here's the ladies up. He's like, I guess it'll
work on me, but he realizes it doesn't work on anybody.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh my god, oh hear me.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Now, I'm never dating a guitar player again in my
whole life.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Never.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Okay, ever, okay, I'm gonna make sure that's gonna hold
you to that.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He turns on the TV and this show he's watching
is Bananas. I'm sure he's watching Go Ask Alice.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Actually, oh interesting, I was gonna ask if you knew
what it was.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Or or or oh my god, there was Okay. So
jan Brady eve plumb Huh was in a made for
TV movie. I've never seen it, but after The Brady Bunch,
she wanted to know branch out and so she was
in a TV movie. I think about a teenage prostitute
(42:54):
sex worker. Do we say teenage sex worker? That doesn't
sound right.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
About a sex worker.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It could be that I wonder huh eve plum of
uh fudge Mania movie theme?
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, exactly her.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I do want to say before we move on, He
says it's depressing watching TV in a hotel room, and
I could not agree less.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
TV in a hotel room is so fun.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Immaculate, it's so good. I love TV in a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yes, I will like watch morning shows. Oh, I love
it in a hotel room. And I've never watched a
morning show at home ever.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I never am picking up everybody loves Raymond to watch
the way I am watching in a hotel room, I
am wrapped. They used to make fun of me on
work trips because they'd be like, you say this every time,
as if this is the most novel thing ever. But
nine times out of ten you leave the hotel room
and you're like, guys, everybody love Raymond is so funny,
(43:57):
and they're like, you also always follow it up with
saying ray Ramono can get it. Like, We've been on
three work trips with you, and every single time you
say this, I'm like, well, every time it's truer than
the last. Every time, it's truer than the last. That's
a good hotel TV Peak TV.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Friend of the Pod. Katie goes to a hotel with
her husband every year to watch the or every Olympics,
just to watch the Olympics as a captive audience in
a hotel bed.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Decadent fun thing.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
That is so smart. Boy, that's gonna really stick in
my cra I love them.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Mm hmmm. I want to read you the description of
this movie really quick, and then we can all go
home and try to figure out what this is.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
The movie itself started getting to me in various ways.
It was about a teenage girl who runs away from
home and becomes a hooker and has various sordid and
humiliating experiences before her parents find her and bring her home.
The girl looked a little like Lida, not exactly, actually,
I think Lida's a lot prettier, but she had that
perky way of walking in that mischievous smile had tilted
(45:12):
a little to one side. I started feeling both horny
and depressed, which is a lousy combination, believe me. There
was one scene where the girl goes to a hotel
room with a guy who wants her to do something
she doesn't want to do. They were a little vague
about what it was, but the girl got down on
her knees and started crying, Please don't make me, please please.
(45:34):
She was wearing this very skimpy slip that was falling
off her shoulders. Finally, I couldn't take it anymore, so
he turns the TV off, turns the light off, and
jerks off to that scene.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Boys are disgusting, the atasty to joinke it in a
room that you're gonna share with your dad, because I
guess it doesn't say he went to the authroom or anything,
so just to be like, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
But totally, I just I mean, I think at that
age boys are experts and like concealing their deeds. So
maybe he's, you know, he's got it down. But yeah,
that was my thought too. I don't know, Joel, I
don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I do not know about you.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
The next morning, we get a debrief on good old
Connie Gibson. We learned that she was married to a
man who died of a heart attack. Then she went
to business school, and now she works for a computer
firm in Boston, a computer firm in nineteen eighty three.
(46:42):
That is so cutting edge, cutting edge. Yeah, she must
be very smart. Dad is just like giddy over having
these over her, having these idealized memories of him, Like
he's going on and on and on about her corn
silk hair, his his poetry that she remembered, et cetera.
(47:03):
And then he goes to it. He goes to the
bathroom and locks himself in.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
See that's polite. If it's gonna joyke it, go to
the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh is that do you think this is implying? I
mean that was my thought.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I don't know. Yeah, probably yeah, yea yea yea yea ye.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Gross, it's funny. Yeah. And then the whole corn silk
hair thing really stuck with me. I was like, what
I mean, I hear about that a lot in books,
but I'm like, do people even have corn silk hair anymore? Oh?
Do you know anyone with corn silk hair? I do not.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh that's a good question. Gosh, that's like just very
very pale blonde.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, but I feel like people don't just naturally have
blonde hair anymore.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Interesting, we did.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Petty speaking of San Francisco State, someone in the stand
up SHH I was at last night also went to
San Francisco State, and turns out we had a lot
of mutual acquaintances and they were lovely. One of the
people who they know in La now who also went
to SA State is a girl who was like mildly
(48:15):
shitty to me once in college, and now I'm like,
you're my enemy for forever. She went to this show
and I saw her in the audience and I was like,
I do want to be mad at her because of
this mildly shitty thing that happened, you know, many many
years ago. But also she looks great and she she
(48:35):
had corn silk care that.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I will say. This girl had corn sill coler.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
And I don't know she came by it naturally or what,
but it upsetting when someone you don't like looks really good.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
So oh that's all say about that.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh I'm sorry that happened.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
To you, Thank you so much. Is so funny. I
texted my friend about it and I was like, remember
that girl that called me the sea word in college?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
She's like, do I ever?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
I can picture her perfectly, and she's friends My husband
so I see her all the time, like, yeah, oh te.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Well she's the one, She's the lone corn silk hair
hold out. I feel like it has been evolutioned out.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Well, my my niece has corn silk hair, but she
is famously three years old, so cattle. That's not a
last exactly.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So their Yale trip is over. They go back home
to New York. Joel calls Alita as soon as he can,
and there's no answer, but he's, you know, trying to
play it cool. He does some homework and she calls
him back. Let's read.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
So how'd it go? Did you have a good time?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (49:43):
I called you before, but there wasn't an answer. Oh god, Joel,
Danny and I did the craziest thing should I tell you?
Do you want to know? Sure? Well, wait a second,
I want to make sure my corse really closed.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Well, we got these costumes of nuns that Daddy had
from some play, like real nuns habits, and we put
them on and then we wore them with these really
high spike heels like three inches and tons of makeups.
Moms in Seattle now doing her play and Daddy was out,
so we went into her makeup cabinet, and we lathered
(50:21):
ourselves up with everything we could lay our hands on,
green eyeshadow and this gold stuff you'd sprinkle on your
face to make a glitter and dark red lipstick, almost purplish.
And we went to this movie only we waited an
hour in the lounge having coffee. You should have seen
the conversations we had. This one man came over to
(50:43):
us and said that he wondered what order we belonged to,
because his sister wanted to join a combent and we
seem like such modern young girls and so full of life. Oh,
we made all this stuff up. God, I hope the
Catholic Church won't sue us said, we were from an
order named Saint Helena's, which was on a remote mountain
(51:04):
in Switzerland, and we made her living pickling cherries and
selling them, and our special job was to milk a
flock of snow white goats. He just believed the whole thing.
He said, he thought we sounded so dedicated and that
was really special, and we wouldn't ever regret having given
up our lives to serve God. Didn't you think it
(51:26):
was slowly strange that you were wearing shoes like that
and all that makeup. I don't know. But later this
slightly sinister guy came over to us and said, hey, sisters,
how you do it? Like he knew something was funny.
He said he was a policeman. We got so scared
we thought he was going to arrest us. So we
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went to the ladies room and washed all our makeup off,
and when you came out, he was gone. How was
the dude? It was okay, nothing special. We couldn't go
to Rocky Harbor because Danny's mother didn't want her. I'm
so late, so we just kind of came home and
made a popcorn and stuffed herself.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
The perfect night.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I'm sorry, the perfect night Lyda and Danny are the coolest.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I love this so much.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes, this is very much something I would do. I
would still do, and you know, I did just realize.
So the whole Nune thing ties in to when she
was on the phone with Joel earlier and she said
she didn't have to be in a convent.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Eh.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh, that is so funny.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I can so picture them like on a Saturday night,
trying to figure out what you do, and her being like,
you know, Joel wants me to be good this weekend, and.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's like, oo, put the bump.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
This is like the fan cam of them like putting
on different makeups than that.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
I I think Norma is aware of how shitty Joel is,
and so she gives us these gorgeous glimpses into Leda's
life to be like, look, this is what he's mad at.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, Because I think as much as we're shitting on Joel, like,
I definitely think this is an accurate portrayal of inside
the mind of a boy that age at that time,
So I think it's very faithful and unflinching. But still
I yearn to be hearing this book from Leida's perspective,
(53:26):
because wow, that sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yes, I agree with you. I think, yeah, we're shitting
on Joel, but Norma's shitting on him too.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
But also, like I don't know, I do want to
give Joels some grace because like in the books we read,
we allow the girls to be shitty, you know, like
I guess we could allow boys to be shitty.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, Yeah, And I think too, I think that like
Dad is a good illustration of like.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Dad is like more evolved, but.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
He still has a lot of the same feelings of
things that Joel has, and so like everybody's just getting
like incrementally better, incrementally better, so on, and so it's
just like and it's also like Joel's a product of
like his environment, and so I give him the grace
of being a fully human character.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
It just happens to.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Be a character I don't like right exactly, not because
you know, almost because it's so well written and because.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
It's so real, and you know, it's just more fun
to like bitch about somebody than to praise them. So yes,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
You don't listen to this podcast for like nuanced literary take.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
We just want a gossip about fictional characters, Okay.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
So that night at dinner, Mom asks how Yale was,
and she's actually surprised that Joel thought it was pretty okay.
You know, he's in a really good mood because Lyda
actually we called him back and she didn't do anything
bad at the dance, so yeah, yay. And then you know,
he tells Mom that they did a lot of interesting
(55:10):
things in New Haven, but wisely does not tell Mom
about good old corn silk, Gibson smart and that's the
end of chapter eleven.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Wow, I would like to put this intention forth right now.
I have never seen Rocky Horror in a theater, so
I would really like to do that. And we're coming
up on the time of year when you can easily
do that. So I'm going to track down the way
to go see that, and I'm gonna go see that. Actually,
this is a good ya ty In. Have you ever
read the book Perks of Being a Wallflower?
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I haven't. Uh uh.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's outside of the timeline of things we cover, but
thematically it fits in with things that we would cover.
But I think that was written in like the Oughts.
It was like the first MTV published book. Anyhow, there's
a huge theme running through it of going to see
Rocky Horror shadow cast shows and.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
The likes amazing. I love Rocky Horror. I was in
a club Med rendition of Rocky.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Hor I.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Love this.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
First of all, could we do a sidebar tell me
everything about Club Med?
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Because I was I was kind of unaware.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And then I really wanted to get this job as
a copywriter for Vacation the Sunscreen brand. Yeah, yeah, and
a lot of their advertising is old club Med photos,
so I did like a deep dive on that.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
But tell me about your experience with club Med.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Awesome. Well, Molly and I are going to go talk
about club Med and we will see you in a
couple of weeks. Bye bye, bloomheads, my momless
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Three
Hi, I'm Jody and I'm Mollie and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's Judy Bloom book up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
All right, y'all. Last episode we told you we were
going to do chapters ten and eleven, but we spent
so much time yeah thing, that we had to save
chapter eleven for today. So that's what we're gonna do. Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So reading Beginner's Love, which is not a Judy Bloom book,
but I do think it's still important to do the
Judy Manuti, where we take one minute or less or
more to talk about the most Judy Bloom thing that
happened to you this week.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Jody, do you have one? Also?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
At time of recording, it is your birthday week, so
everybody's saying happy every week. Thank you present you must
edit this episode?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, sorry. First and foremost, I want to thank you
for saying that this segment is important, because it is.
I think it's become a fan favor. It's one of
my favorite moments of the podcast. So Molly, you already
know this. I told you offline, but my gd minudi
is that I bought a new hump toy for the
(01:23):
dog bo.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You really you were encouraging him, just like the parents
in all of these books encouraged their children in budding pubessence.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes, I'm very sex positive. I understand that it's just
all a part of, you know, being a four year
old dog. The only thing is he rejects every new
Hump toy I get him. I'm buying him new hump
toys because his old one is disgusting. Boy. It is
(01:56):
a stuffed chili pepper from Marshall's, but he has torn
out all of the stuffing from the inside, so then
I have put another stuffy like another full stuffed animal
inside the chili pepper casing, so pretend that it's the
original chili pepper. He will have nothing else, So I
(02:18):
just don't need to do at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Hey, the heart wants what the heart wants.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. What about you, Molly dog mom?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What about me?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, I work in I have a contract job now
as a copywriter at an ad agency. And I, oh,
I already said this because I said my embarrassing work
drama last time, but it I have a feeling like,
oh shoot, I really want to prove myself because I
want them to extend this job. And I got pulled
into this assignment last minute, and I was writing like
(02:52):
so many lines and none of them were working, And
eventually I was like, oh, man, I guess I've never
written anything good in my life. I guess I hate
this job. I guess I hate advertising. I guess I
hate it all. And then seconds later I came up
with a really good line and I was like, oh, actually,
never mind, I'm okay. So I felt like, you know,
(03:12):
the dad in the Fudge series is works in advertising,
and I know from reading those books that he kind
of goes up and down too. So I just want
to say I salute you, Warren Hatcher.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I felt your presence this week.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm so glad you weren't ready to like throw in
the towel and move to Princeton.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I really thought about becoming an art Is he the
one that no, he wants to be like a writer,
a regular writer.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, but yeah, I came around.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So are you able to tell us what the line is?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yes, it's it's gonna sound weird out of context, and
who knows if the pick it. It was for a
billboard for a suite of household appliances to like wash
your dryer, fridge, et cetera. And we didn't know what
to call this grouping of appliances, and so my boss
(04:07):
came up with the idea of like, oh, it's like
a it's like the starting lineup. And then she's like, well,
if we call it the starting lineup, we have to
have like a sports payoff line. And I like, couldn't
think of anything, could then thinking anything, couldn't think of
anything having an existential crisis. And then I was like,
the starting lineup that makes your home run.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's like because sports.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
My god, Molly, I honestly like did a backflip, like yeah.
But also, as I say, the more I say it
out loud, the more I'm like, no, why do we
need to bring sports into this? I don't understand why
that was happening. But if that's the assignment.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Here you go totally. It's not your problem. Your problem
is you solved it in the best possible way. And
I mean that's just perfect. It can't get more perfect
than that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, if you see that on a billboard somewhere, no,
I wrote that, Yeah, that's my Judy Minudi. So do
we want to recapital call really quick?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Let's do it. Okay, We've got Joel. He is the
main dude. I am still waiting for him to redeem
himself in any way, but hasn't happened yet. Lida, we
love her, I mean no notes. She is a very
cool girl and I want to be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The worst thing about Lida is how much she likes Joel.
That's her only flaw.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, exactly, She'll learn, She'll learn, ye. Danny is Lyda's
bestie and she's kind of quiet and she likes to
read books and she has huge tiss and she has
had sex before. And then there's Burger, who's Joel's bestie
(06:06):
and he is oh my god, there's I keep thinking, like,
what character does he remind me of? There's some sitcom character.
He's like the next door like fun guy that like
comes over and cracks jokes and it's kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it's an archetype. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And then there's Burger's love interest, which is a lady doctor.
She's a mystery jogger doctor who saved him when he
almost died tripping over a beer bottle at the Simon
and Garfunkle Show. Burger has a little sister, Hope she's eleven.
(06:46):
She is really into tennis and gymnastics and wants to
show everyone how good she is at the splits. There's
always like a there's a hope moment, like hey, you
want to watch me do it split? And then we
have Mom and Dad Joel's mom and dad, and uh yeah,
(07:09):
I think they're interesting. Dad seems like sometimes cool, sometimes not.
Mom seems a little hand hands off, but she's a
nice mom. She makes lasagna. Knocks is Joel's big brother.
He lives in la and he's fancy and he is
(07:29):
newly engaged to Angelica Angelica spivak Ramone Lyda's ex lover
x fling situationship. Yes, he they tried to have sex,
they couldn't make it work. He is a thorned Joel's side.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who is he?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Then we have Gerald Finn, who is mom's ex husband,
actually ex husband. He was very rich, much older than her,
and he bequeathed her his art books and he is
a thorn in Dad's side. M hm Obra friend of
mom and dad's hot friend. She has some tomato plants
(08:16):
and she likes to show all the men her tomato plants.
Apparently Constance Gibson she is an old college flame of dads.
I feel like soon to be a thorn in mom's side.
And Meg Gibson is Constance's daughter who is at Yale, and.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah she's Oh she has an older boyfriend too. Oh
it's illegal to go two pages without someone being an
age gap relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's illegal. Sound the alarm that happens? Okay, yes, chapter eleven. Oh,
I have some quick notes of thoughts that popped into
my head during the week that I want to revisit. Okay, okay,
So back to the joy of sex. Remember how you
(09:16):
read this painful sounding passage about rolling a braid into
a vagina? Okay, So I think that you were thinking
the braid is rolled up and then shoved into a vagina.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
No, I was kind of thinking, tip of the braid,
I is going inside.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, but but it's going something is going inside. Yeah, okay,
So I think what they meant was, no, this is
so much less bad rolling up the braid like in
a coil, like a cinnamon roll or something. Okay, in
creating a vagina out of the braid. So the pee
(10:04):
goes in the braid coil.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh, that's so interesting, right, that's so smart. I mean,
it's still weird.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But yeah, it's like, what do they call it when
you do it on somebody's like the their elbow.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Isn't it called like frauding is wrong?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's wrong tribe?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh fritage.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, okay, so it's like that, but with a braid. Okay,
that's less that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, well, I think okay, we have to reread.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let me see. I think I can beat and pasted.
This is horrible.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'm picturing you jolting upright in the middle of the
night and being like, wait a second, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's not Oh, I think you're right, it says. Okay,
it says.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
The other two substitute sites are the hair long hair
or plaits can be rolled into a vagina or the
penis lassoed with a loop of it. Though some women
may object it's a.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Bore to wash.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay. Substitute sites does seem to add credence to your theory,
because maybe it's talking about different places you can blink in.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh you are so smart, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This is where this is what occupies my brain.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We solve the mystery still, you know, not something I
would love to do.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, No, I do like the how they acknowledge that
washing your hair is a chore.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So though, I will say, it is my dream to
find a man who knows how to braid hair really well.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So listen, if I find a man.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Who is very nice and funny and can French braid
my hair, all bets are off, like, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That is such. Being French braided feels so good.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It does, it does, and it just doesn't happen as
much in my adult life as I would love it too.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Every now and then, I feel like every now and then.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If you get drunk with a bunch of girlies, someone
will start hair braiding, which is nice, but you never know.
It's hard to instigate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would
love a lover who would French braid my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They can be taught, They could be taught.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Can you French braid your own hair?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Na?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
No, it's not for me to do.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I mean, it doesn't feel as good, but I think
I'm better at French braiding my own hair than I
am with other people's hair.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You're so cool. Anyone who can French braid their hair
like that is very cool to me. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't know how good it looks, but that's my mind.
It looks amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wow, thanks for solving that mystery.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You're welcome. Another quick note. This one is a little
less lighthearted, but I realized that the hospital where Burger
was taken after the beer bottle incident, Saint Luke's, is
the same hospital where Norma died.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh that's so sad. That's really sad.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We are legally required to have age gap talk and
talk about sad parts of norma client's life. So yeah, perfect.
No one's going to jail this episode. Wow, that's so
that's so haunting.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Another Norma connection, though, this one's more fun. I was wondering, what,
you know, what was her connection to Yale. She has
a lot of Yale talk in this episode. And she
did teach writing at Yale.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And she got married at Yale.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Oh that's cool. I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I found her wedding announcement.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We can post it, we can please, And.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Me I did the teeniest.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Bit of research about Yale becoming co ed. So we
can talk about that when it comes up, because it
comes up a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
In this stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But wow, that's so cool. Wow Norma Cline, Oh sorry,
did she go to Yelle or she just taught there?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
She just hot there?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Okay, I was gonna say Norma Cline Rory Gilmore have
the same alma mater, but I guess not.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh she went to Brandy.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, Oh, that sounds right. Hold on.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Barnard, Barnard, Yeah, Barnard.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I don't know about you, but as like a West Coaster,
there is just something so romantic about these like East
Coast universities like San Francisco State. I'm sorry, I love
your kid. Will never just will never ask this kind
of swag as like a Barnard.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Oh yeah, like the grand halls still have like the
polished oak and you know there's a musty smell and
the book stacks and haunted bell towers.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Or what's the what's the other one? What's the one
where Lena Dunham went Oberlin? Oberlin sounds so sexy totally.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hey, maybe you can get married at one of the
East Coast colleges and then that'll, you know, get you
close enough that counts, you're right, yeah, lol, buying a
sweatshirt like, oh not just graduate there, I just got
married there.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh boy, Okay, get into chapter eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Chapter eleven, all right, So, speaking of Yale, Dad is
going to take Joel up to visit Yale. That's Dad's
alma mater. And you, I mean, we all know Dad
wants to go there.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah. Did you ever go on a trip like this
looking at colleges?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes, oh nice with your family.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
With my mom because I was living in London at
the time, and we took, uh, chose just randomly chose
a bunch of colleges on like the East coast and
like mid Atlantic area because at that point my parents
thought they might eventually end up moving back there. They
(16:29):
were thinking that my dad's job might land up in
Virginia at some point, which never happened. So I ended
up going to JMU in Virginia because, uh, because it
was a nice sunny day when I went, and they
were cute skater boys on the quad and I was like, yes,
this is for me.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They you know, colleges really underestimate how much that matters, Like.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That matters so much.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You just wanna You just want to go where you're
gonna meet cute boys and fun people and have good parties.
And I remember, you know the questionnaire you fill out
when you're being assigned a dorm.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I chose, you know, they're like smoking or non smoking.
And I knew that I didn't really want to live
in a smoking dorm, but like, I was a social smoker,
but I didn't want to have like smoke in my clothes.
But I chose the smoking dorm because I thought the
cooler people would be living in the smoking No.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, I can see the trajectory. My college roommate must
have been my second year roommate or someone one of
my friends. The first day of school, she bought a
pack of American spirits because she's like, well, I'm gonna
have to make friends at the designated smoking Area. That's
the only place to make friends. You gotta go to
the DSA.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Totally, don't exactly smoke.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Everybody, don't smoke. It's bad for you. Yeah, it looks
cool as hell. Okay, it does. I can't say it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
What so did you go on a college tour.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We did my I think it was my mom and
I and my brother. For some reason, I don't know
why he didn't stay home, but he came with us.
And I basically like knew I wanted to go to
SF State, like from the second they accepted me. But
my mom was like, no, we got to go look
at other places. So look at s of State first. Honestly,
(18:27):
same thing happened, except for instead of skater boys. I
was like, improv looks fun as hell.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I gotta be here.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And then we drove up to Sonoma State and snowa
State is gorgeous. It's really nice, but it's just way
the hell out there there.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
There was no way.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
They were all like, oh, yeah, you could drive to
the city. It's only like an hour to drive to
San Francisco. Like, yeah, no thanks. So those only two
ones we went to. But I remember we stayed in
Fisherman's Wharf and I was like, this is probably where
I'll hang out all the time with my college friend, like.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And then sad.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
When we got back home my childhood cat had died.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
This is awful. This is what happens when you go away.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
This is a bad Omen, Now you can never go
to college.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Luckily I ignored that Omen and everything was fine. But
that was a bummer town and to an otherwise very
fun trip.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I remember my mom and I fighting the entire time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's just it's stressful.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's so stressful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh well Joel, yeah, finds it very chill. He is
not stressed. He's still set on a year in Paris.
But he goes because why not. But before they go,
Joel calls Lida to tell her he'll be out of
town and let's read this.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Okay, Oh that's okay. Danny and I are going to
go to this dance. It's what dance, you know, just
to dance. Doesn't your school have them? And we might
go to Rocky Horror with a bunch of kids afterwards.
Danny's never seen it. But what if I had been there,
then you could have come. I don't get it. Lead
(20:20):
what's the point of going to a dance? They're fun?
But aren't we? I thought we were going together. We
are that. That doesn't mean I'm entering a convent anyway.
I hate that expression going together. It sounds so fifties ish. Well,
I guess you know what you're doing, Joel, Come on,
(20:41):
nothing's gonna happen. What are you worried about. Oh, I'm
worried that nine million guys will make sense at you
so I can duck. Look, I love you. Why are
you so insecure? The guys in my school are jerks,
most of them. And I just like dancing. We'll have fun.
(21:02):
I will. I'll try to anyway. And I don't get
this bit about trying to make me guilty. It's dumb.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh true.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Good for you, Lida. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yes, yes, so yeah. Joel continues to disappoint us, and
then though we hear about Rida's fashion selections.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh, don't we love her even more?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So it sounds like she's gotten on the mini skirt train. Yes,
she has bought all these mini skirts and they come
up to three inches below her butt.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh my gosh, doesn't sound very many to me.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, it sounds kind of modest.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Actually, I just saw this mini skirt for sale on
TikTok shop and it's so short that it has underwear
built into it. Oh, not even an inch below you cheeks,
like the bottom of your cheeks hanging out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh oh, she.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Would have loved that.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Alright, p Lita, I wish you could have seen TikTok
shop mini scars.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, she's really into colorful tights too, so I guess
if her ass cheek were to hang out, who cares,
it would be like, you know, encased by tight Oh
and then legwarmers, leg warmers. This is so flash dance
Fame Olivia Newton John It's just the perfect eighties picture.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, it's funny too that he's like, oh my god,
she's dressed so slutty. It's like girls.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She literally has tights and leg warmers.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, she's covered.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, she's all covered.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There's a whole part about Danny not being able to
wear a cute fashions because her parents think it'll make
her a slut and she might get raped on the
subway and.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yikes y x x yikes.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, And at least Joel thinks that's dumb, but he says,
you should see Lyda in her mini skirt. It comes
just over her butt, maybe three inches, and she wears
these very bright tights and various colors. Sometimes she wears
these strange things called leg warmers, which are hard to describe.
They're like crumpled up wool stockings or she wears her
(23:24):
fry boots. No matter what she wears, it's definitely a
sexy outfit. The day before Joel goes to see Yale,
Burger shows him a secret. He's been working on. This
Burger b plot keeps going and going. He's made flyers
(23:44):
to find his hot doctor. And I'm gonna read you
what they say to the sexy doctor who saved my
life at the Simon and Garfunkal concert. Colin, you were jogging.
I was an incredible pain me to the hospital. You
are beautiful and have long black hair. I haven't stopped
(24:04):
thinking about you for one second. My friends fear for
my life, take pity on a desperate soul called five
five five four three three two between four and six.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I fear this would work on me. I love Furger.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I would be charmed.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, this is funny. This is fun.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So he's enlisted Hope to be his secretary. And what
she's gonna do is wait by the phone from four
to six every day, answering calls and like weeding out
all the prank calls and nut jobs. That's a big
responsibility because I feel like this could attract a lot
of weirdos.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Rule number one is don't put your phone number out there,
especially well, I guess you can't look up phone numbers
by number, but I was gonna say, couldn't you look
in the phone book and see where that person lived?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But I guess not.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to like reverse search like that.
But yeah, I think I feel like this is going
to backfire. Joel thinks it's going to backfire too. He
knows there's no stopping Burger, and he calls him a monomaniac,
and I was like, oh, that's a fun word. So
I looked up monomania really quick, tiny special report.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
In the early eighteen hundreds, monomania was a new disease
concept that started in France whoa, And it was characterized
by the presence of a fixed idea. So in e
day fixe, the mind was considered diseased and deranged in
some facets, but otherwise normal. So there were three I know,
(25:49):
I'm like relatable. There are three broad categories of monomania,
so one is intellectual, two is emotional, and three is volitional. Faculties.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Emotional monomania was when a patient was obsessed with only
one emotion or several related to it, like love or
lust or jealousy. Intellectual monomania is related to a delirious
idea or ideas. So maybe you are obsessed with aliens
(26:30):
or God or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Those are the options.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, let's just say, for example.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Trains trains, yes, yes, and you know I couldn't really
find anything about the volitional faculty no, but you know,
we can all do our own resort.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Wait, if I'm thinking backwards, so doing something of volition
means like you chose it, and faculties, I wonder if
that means like like intrusive thoughts I guess as what
we call it now? Maybe maybe or like repetitive movements.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I don't know, yeah, maybe like OCD kind of stuff.
Oh yeah, Well, two examples listed here are pyromania and kleptomania,
So maybe that's maybe that's that one. But as a
diagnosis it didn't last too long. It had a good
run of a couple of decades. It fell out of
(27:30):
fashion in psychiatry circles when people started to realize the
mind is much more complex and faceted.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Wow, that's so interesting. Thank you for doing that deep dive.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I love a bygone psychiatry. So the next day,
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Dad and Joel drive to New Haven and you look
around the campus and they see the dorm Dad used
to live in, and Dad's just kind of a little
bit introspective and quiet, and Joel seems relieved that he
doesn't have to hear all about it.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I do want to say, this is the first mention
of Yale being co ed and that being a recent thing.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I looked it up.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
The year that Yale became co ed, and let me
make sure I'm getting this right, is nineteen sixty nine. Whoa,
it wasn't until nineteen sixty nine that the first undergraduate
women arrived at Yale.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Wow, so I don't know that. I'm obviously it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Was that that happened. I guess while Dad was there.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know how to do math, but it sure
sounds like it happened. He had part of the time
where it wasn't co ed, because he says now that
it's co ed. So if this is what nineteen eighty three, yeah, okay,
so that must have happened during Dad's time, didn't RBG.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Wasn't she? Oh no, wait, she was, like, you know,
one of the few women enrolled in her class at
law school. But I don't know if it was Yale
or somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'll let you check, because if Ruth Bader Ginsburg went
to college with dad, that's that's important.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That is important. Okay, she went to.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Cornell, that might have been her under Oh and then
she went to Cornell in Harvard, so yeah, rival never mind,
So she she and Elle Woods have the same alma mater. Dad, though,
you know what sucks is in the RBG biopic Armie
Hammer is in it. And unfortunately, Armie Hammer very hot
(29:56):
in that biopic. Like I understand he's a bad person,
but the high difference alone is sexual to me. So anyway,
don't smoke, don't think about.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Army for sure, But is high gap the new age gap?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'd love to find out. I'd love to find but
not with.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Army, Not with Army, not with Army. Lee Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Okay. So back to Dad. He decides now
is a good time to give Joel some fatherly advice.
But it's like the most surface level fatherly advice and
super shallow, and basically he's just like, don't be a
schmuck with women.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I wrote in the margins too late.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, too late, too little, too late, too little, too late.
Let's read this, Okay, don't be a schmuck with women.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Joel wasn't planning too, Dad.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
No, I mean it. They're sensitive. There's no way around it.
The good ones are sensitive. You just have to treat
them well. You'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'll shut up in one second. But just one final
thing about set. I don't care what the women's live
people say. Women take it more seriously than men. They
can't help it. It's biological. So don't if she's a
nice girl and I assume she is fool around and
make her life miserable. Okay, don't worry Dad.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Honestly, I think that is the start of some really
good advice.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It's a yeah, it's the start.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
There's something the heart behind what he's saying is good.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And then Dad continues, Oh, the Tap. They're talking about
the hotel. They're staying at the Tap hotel. The scene
of one of my few furtive attempts at losing my
virginity while at college.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Who was she?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
She was?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
God, I'm totally blocking her name. I'll tell you what
she looked like though. She was tiny, five foot maybe,
with fluffy blonde hair, adorable, kind of scatterbrained joy Joy
to the world. My roommate called her. We met at
a party I don't even remember. I invited her down
(32:26):
for the weekend and put her up at the taft Damn,
so what happened. We came up to her room, we
made out a little. Everything was much slower in those days.
She arched back her head and in solemn tones, said,
I'm much more neurotic than you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Clean shit.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, the trouble was, she seemed pretty neurotic without even
having without my even thinking about it, I guess I
decided trouble ahead, and you know, more than it was worth.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Uh, Norma, That is such a funny bit of writing.
It's really all right.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh, I love.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
A girl pulling back from a makeout and being like,
I'm much more neurotic than you can possibly imagine.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like hell, yeah, that seems very like I don't know,
like Meg Ryan or something.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Like, yeah, it does seem like that seems very like Elaine.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
From Hill Too.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I love it. I'm gonna start doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Try it, try it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Actually, that is a funny dare.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, if you are a married head or if you
have like a stable partner, and you write us a
letter about trying this out in the boudoir, we'll send
you a prize.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we got some good he's waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Here's a dare.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You have to say that completely straight faced after macking,
and if you write in and tell us you did that,
we'll send you a prize.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
But we can't take any responsibility for negative outcome.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, if something bad happens, you're on your own, as
with anything, but you still get a prize. But you
will still send you a prize for trying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So Dad and Joel have a nap and then they
go out to dinner. Dad is very snobby about the
quality of the food at this place. It's not outstanding,
but it's edible, okay, And let's talk about what they ate.
So Joel gets fried clams, mashed potatoes, and salad and
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Dad gets beef BORGI and uh that's and I guess wine,
but like fried clams and beef borgion. I mean you
just you don't hear about that anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, it is funny how some foods kind of fall
out of out of vogue.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, though, I will say, there are you can still
get fried fried clams places. I had some gray fried
clams at Neptune's Net, which is a a Malibu restaurant,
which were great.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I've been there. We didn't have the fried clams, but
oh my god, I love that place.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I love that place so much.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think about it a lot. I've only been once,
but it was so fun, so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
But yeah, we're going on. You never see that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Oh, but clocking Joel eating clams. I don't remember if
he said he ate fish before.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's right? Oh good, so pescatarian m or capontarian. Joel
notices Dad is staring at some people at another table,
and Dad's like, is that, No, it can't be. Why
I do believe none other than Constance Gip. Wow, Constance Gibson.
(36:04):
Remember what I was saying before about being a schmuck
with women. Uh huh, Well I was a schmuck with
Constance Connie. Oh I cringe to remember it. Just picture
this lovely lovely girl, long legs, blonde hair, hazel eyes.
She came from some little town in Illinois. Can you
imagine wilderness? It wasn't until she was in high school
(36:29):
that her parents had indoor plumbing installed. She milked cows, sweet, innocent.
So how did you dream her like a schmuck?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was always after her. I thought I was such
a big deal because I was taking a couple of
philosophy courses, because I'd read more than her over breakfast.
I'd read her Rilka in the original Jesus. She didn't
know German, she'd never read a poem. I got her
so upset about all she didn't know that. She went
(36:59):
home Christmas vacation and she screamed at her parents. Why
didn't you tell me about real cup? Why didn't you
tell me about Dostoyevsky?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
She said.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Her mother just looked up at her. She was probably
sitting there in a Gingham apron churning butter, and she said, dear,
we didn't know. God, when I think of that scene, dear,
we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, it's so funny. This is just masterful writing. This
is so funny it is.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And then Dad decides to go over and talk to
Constance Gibson. It's her turns out. She's there with her
daughter Meg, who goes to Yale Law school. And Joel says,
she could be pretty, but she has bad skin. Shut up,
and she covers it with makeup, So like, okay, So
(37:52):
if she didn't cover it with makeup, would you think
that was any better? Probably? Not?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh my god, I wish we could get her pimple.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh god, why did it take so long for pimple
patches to be invented?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I don't know, that is truly, like why so simple?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Back in my day it was that like flesh tone
clear a cel that was nobody's flesh tone.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I know you could always tell, and it did like
burn your zits right off.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh my god. You know what else?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Remember the gosh was it nexema that had the little
pads that you wiped across your face and it.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Was oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know how people say they wish they could go
back in time and give like a Victorian child a
a dorito. I would like to go back in time
and truly every century hand out pimple patches. Yes, if
I could hand out pimple patches and full strength, I'd
be profen to all the baddies in history.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Angels sent from heaven.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's what I would do. That would be my mitzvah
is full strength. I'd be proven. Pimple patches end of
the list.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And they're very light, so they would travel easily in
your time travel suitcase ease.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I could have a billion of them. Now I'm thinking
of all the things I wish I could give them.
But if I could do too, just too, I would
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, Constance is not hot, but the mom is hot.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You do want to read this description?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Read it, okay. Connie, the mother, my father's old girlfriend,
was pretty attractive for someone that age. She had blonde hair,
very neat turned under, and big blue tinted eyeglasses. She
looked like the kind of sexy librarian or teacher or
secretary in a movie who somewhere along the line falls
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in love with the hero, takes her glasses off and
gets drunk. Like, that's so specific, but I know exactly
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yes, yeah, love it love a tinted eyeglass. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I wonder if they were like transition lenses. Interesting, Yeah,
Joel's left alone at this table by himself. Dad's getting
along famously with all constants. And then after his dessert,
Joel just goes back to his hotel room and he's alone, depressed.
(40:18):
He tries to play himself some guitar throw.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Around on You're Missing a whole part where he does
go over to the table and they talk to Constance
and her daughter, and yes, yeah, she she's like really
excited to see uh, to see dad. They're kind of
they're definitely like flirting kind of, and she's like, it's
(40:44):
so healthy that girls are so free nowadays, and lo ol.
Constance was six months older than dad. Dad apparently was
a poet in college and she quotes lines of poetry
back then him.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Crazy, yeah, like his poetry.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Right, So that's interesting. But also mind you a page
before they said she'd never heard a poem before, so like,
don't trust her taste.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Uh blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Okay, And they they mentioned that her daughter is dating
someone who's been married twice, and that's bananas for like
a college sophomore. I didn't see how old she was,
but that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't love that.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, okay, And now we're to the way you're picking up,
where Joel is like playing wonder Wall to himself or
what's the song from the Barbie movie?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's like the how Wan I Take You from Ran?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Like he's in the hotel room playing that by himself.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yes, because you know, he's so convinced that his guitar playing.
Really here's the ladies up. He's like, I guess it'll
work on me, but he realizes it doesn't work on anybody.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh my god, oh hear me.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Now, I'm never dating a guitar player again in my
whole life.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Never.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Okay, ever, okay, I'm gonna make sure that's gonna hold
you to that.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He turns on the TV and this show he's watching
is Bananas. I'm sure he's watching Go Ask Alice.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Actually, oh interesting, I was gonna ask if you knew
what it was.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Or or or oh my god, there was Okay. So
jan Brady eve plumb Huh was in a made for
TV movie. I've never seen it, but after The Brady Bunch,
she wanted to know branch out and so she was
in a TV movie. I think about a teenage prostitute
(42:54):
sex worker. Do we say teenage sex worker? That doesn't
sound right.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
About a sex worker.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It could be that I wonder huh eve plum of
uh fudge Mania movie theme?
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, exactly her.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I do want to say before we move on, He
says it's depressing watching TV in a hotel room, and
I could not agree less.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
TV in a hotel room is so fun.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Immaculate, it's so good. I love TV in a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yes, I will like watch morning shows. Oh, I love
it in a hotel room. And I've never watched a
morning show at home ever.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I never am picking up everybody loves Raymond to watch
the way I am watching in a hotel room, I
am wrapped. They used to make fun of me on
work trips because they'd be like, you say this every time,
as if this is the most novel thing ever. But
nine times out of ten you leave the hotel room
and you're like, guys, everybody love Raymond is so funny,
(43:57):
and they're like, you also always follow it up with
saying ray Ramono can get it. Like, We've been on
three work trips with you, and every single time you
say this, I'm like, well, every time it's truer than
the last. Every time, it's truer than the last. That's
a good hotel TV Peak TV.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Friend of the Pod. Katie goes to a hotel with
her husband every year to watch the or every Olympics,
just to watch the Olympics as a captive audience in
a hotel bed.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Decadent fun thing.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
That is so smart. Boy, that's gonna really stick in
my cra I love them.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Mm hmmm. I want to read you the description of
this movie really quick, and then we can all go
home and try to figure out what this is.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
The movie itself started getting to me in various ways.
It was about a teenage girl who runs away from
home and becomes a hooker and has various sordid and
humiliating experiences before her parents find her and bring her home.
The girl looked a little like Lida, not exactly, actually,
I think Lida's a lot prettier, but she had that
perky way of walking in that mischievous smile had tilted
(45:12):
a little to one side. I started feeling both horny
and depressed, which is a lousy combination, believe me. There
was one scene where the girl goes to a hotel
room with a guy who wants her to do something
she doesn't want to do. They were a little vague
about what it was, but the girl got down on
her knees and started crying, Please don't make me, please please.
(45:34):
She was wearing this very skimpy slip that was falling
off her shoulders. Finally, I couldn't take it anymore, so
he turns the TV off, turns the light off, and
jerks off to that scene.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Boys are disgusting, the atasty to joinke it in a
room that you're gonna share with your dad, because I
guess it doesn't say he went to the authroom or anything,
so just to be like, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
But totally, I just I mean, I think at that
age boys are experts and like concealing their deeds. So
maybe he's, you know, he's got it down. But yeah,
that was my thought too. I don't know, Joel, I
don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I do not know about you.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
The next morning, we get a debrief on good old
Connie Gibson. We learned that she was married to a
man who died of a heart attack. Then she went
to business school, and now she works for a computer
firm in Boston, a computer firm in nineteen eighty three.
(46:42):
That is so cutting edge, cutting edge. Yeah, she must
be very smart. Dad is just like giddy over having
these over her, having these idealized memories of him, Like
he's going on and on and on about her corn
silk hair, his his poetry that she remembered, et cetera.
(47:03):
And then he goes to it. He goes to the
bathroom and locks himself in.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
See that's polite. If it's gonna joyke it, go to
the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh is that do you think this is implying? I
mean that was my thought.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I don't know. Yeah, probably yeah, yea yea yea yea ye.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Gross, it's funny. Yeah. And then the whole corn silk
hair thing really stuck with me. I was like, what
I mean, I hear about that a lot in books,
but I'm like, do people even have corn silk hair anymore? Oh?
Do you know anyone with corn silk hair? I do not.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh that's a good question. Gosh, that's like just very
very pale blonde.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, but I feel like people don't just naturally have
blonde hair anymore.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Interesting, we did.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Petty speaking of San Francisco State, someone in the stand
up SHH I was at last night also went to
San Francisco State, and turns out we had a lot
of mutual acquaintances and they were lovely. One of the
people who they know in La now who also went
to SA State is a girl who was like mildly
(48:15):
shitty to me once in college, and now I'm like,
you're my enemy for forever. She went to this show
and I saw her in the audience and I was like,
I do want to be mad at her because of
this mildly shitty thing that happened, you know, many many
years ago. But also she looks great and she she
(48:35):
had corn silk care that.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I will say. This girl had corn sill coler.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
And I don't know she came by it naturally or what,
but it upsetting when someone you don't like looks really good.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
So oh that's all say about that.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh I'm sorry that happened.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
To you, Thank you so much. Is so funny. I
texted my friend about it and I was like, remember
that girl that called me the sea word in college?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
She's like, do I ever?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
I can picture her perfectly, and she's friends My husband
so I see her all the time, like, yeah, oh te.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Well she's the one, She's the lone corn silk hair
hold out. I feel like it has been evolutioned out.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Well, my my niece has corn silk hair, but she
is famously three years old, so cattle. That's not a
last exactly.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So their Yale trip is over. They go back home
to New York. Joel calls Alita as soon as he can,
and there's no answer, but he's, you know, trying to
play it cool. He does some homework and she calls
him back. Let's read.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
So how'd it go? Did you have a good time?
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (49:43):
I called you before, but there wasn't an answer. Oh god, Joel,
Danny and I did the craziest thing should I tell you?
Do you want to know? Sure? Well, wait a second,
I want to make sure my corse really closed.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Well, we got these costumes of nuns that Daddy had
from some play, like real nuns habits, and we put
them on and then we wore them with these really
high spike heels like three inches and tons of makeups.
Moms in Seattle now doing her play and Daddy was out,
so we went into her makeup cabinet, and we lathered
(50:21):
ourselves up with everything we could lay our hands on,
green eyeshadow and this gold stuff you'd sprinkle on your
face to make a glitter and dark red lipstick, almost purplish.
And we went to this movie only we waited an
hour in the lounge having coffee. You should have seen
the conversations we had. This one man came over to
(50:43):
us and said that he wondered what order we belonged to,
because his sister wanted to join a combent and we
seem like such modern young girls and so full of life. Oh,
we made all this stuff up. God, I hope the
Catholic Church won't sue us said, we were from an
order named Saint Helena's, which was on a remote mountain
(51:04):
in Switzerland, and we made her living pickling cherries and
selling them, and our special job was to milk a
flock of snow white goats. He just believed the whole thing.
He said, he thought we sounded so dedicated and that
was really special, and we wouldn't ever regret having given
up our lives to serve God. Didn't you think it
(51:26):
was slowly strange that you were wearing shoes like that
and all that makeup. I don't know. But later this
slightly sinister guy came over to us and said, hey, sisters,
how you do it? Like he knew something was funny.
He said he was a policeman. We got so scared
we thought he was going to arrest us. So we
(51:48):
went to the ladies room and washed all our makeup off,
and when you came out, he was gone. How was
the dude? It was okay, nothing special. We couldn't go
to Rocky Harbor because Danny's mother didn't want her. I'm
so late, so we just kind of came home and
made a popcorn and stuffed herself.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
The perfect night.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I'm sorry, the perfect night Lyda and Danny are the coolest.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I love this so much.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes, this is very much something I would do. I
would still do, and you know, I did just realize.
So the whole Nune thing ties in to when she
was on the phone with Joel earlier and she said
she didn't have to be in a convent.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Eh.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh, that is so funny.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I can so picture them like on a Saturday night,
trying to figure out what you do, and her being like,
you know, Joel wants me to be good this weekend, and.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's like, oo, put the bump.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
This is like the fan cam of them like putting
on different makeups than that.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
I I think Norma is aware of how shitty Joel is,
and so she gives us these gorgeous glimpses into Leda's
life to be like, look, this is what he's mad at.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, Because I think as much as we're shitting on Joel, like,
I definitely think this is an accurate portrayal of inside
the mind of a boy that age at that time,
So I think it's very faithful and unflinching. But still
I yearn to be hearing this book from Leida's perspective,
(53:26):
because wow, that sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yes, I agree with you. I think, yeah, we're shitting
on Joel, but Norma's shitting on him too.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
But also, like I don't know, I do want to
give Joels some grace because like in the books we read,
we allow the girls to be shitty, you know, like
I guess we could allow boys to be shitty.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, Yeah, And I think too, I think that like
Dad is a good illustration of like.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Dad is like more evolved, but.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
He still has a lot of the same feelings of
things that Joel has, and so like everybody's just getting
like incrementally better, incrementally better, so on, and so it's
just like and it's also like Joel's a product of
like his environment, and so I give him the grace
of being a fully human character.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
It just happens to.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Be a character I don't like right exactly, not because
you know, almost because it's so well written and because.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
It's so real, and you know, it's just more fun
to like bitch about somebody than to praise them. So yes,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
You don't listen to this podcast for like nuanced literary take.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
We just want a gossip about fictional characters, Okay.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
So that night at dinner, Mom asks how Yale was,
and she's actually surprised that Joel thought it was pretty okay.
You know, he's in a really good mood because Lyda
actually we called him back and she didn't do anything
bad at the dance, so yeah, yay. And then you know,
he tells Mom that they did a lot of interesting
(55:10):
things in New Haven, but wisely does not tell Mom
about good old corn silk, Gibson smart and that's the
end of chapter eleven.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Wow, I would like to put this intention forth right now.
I have never seen Rocky Horror in a theater, so
I would really like to do that. And we're coming
up on the time of year when you can easily
do that. So I'm going to track down the way
to go see that, and I'm gonna go see that. Actually,
this is a good ya ty In. Have you ever
read the book Perks of Being a Wallflower?
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I haven't. Uh uh.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's outside of the timeline of things we cover, but
thematically it fits in with things that we would cover.
But I think that was written in like the Oughts.
It was like the first MTV published book. Anyhow, there's
a huge theme running through it of going to see
Rocky Horror shadow cast shows and.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
The likes amazing. I love Rocky Horror. I was in
a club Med rendition of Rocky.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Hor I.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Love this.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
First of all, could we do a sidebar tell me
everything about Club Med?
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Because I was I was kind of unaware.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And then I really wanted to get this job as
a copywriter for Vacation the Sunscreen brand. Yeah, yeah, and
a lot of their advertising is old club Med photos,
so I did like a deep dive on that.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
But tell me about your experience with club Med.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Awesome. Well, Molly and I are going to go talk
about club Med and we will see you in a
couple of weeks. Bye bye, bloomheads, my momless
Speaker 3 (57:01):
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