April 11, 2025 • 29 mins
Thomas and J.R. discuss which 2025 NFL Draft prospects they think will end up with Hall of Fame careers and which will be out of the league in 3 years. They also talk about the best fits for QB prospects. All that and more! Thanks and enjoy. #NFL #nfldraft #defylife
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Firelight Podcast. I'm your host j R. Glymph,
John is always want to four co hosts Thomas Stevens.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, what's good? You know? Draft? The draft is beround
the corner.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, good's here man. Yeah, I'm good man, living life.
You know how I go.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's sat one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah man, Yeah, you mentioned man, draft right around the corner.
What you're thinking, what you're gonna do? You're bad.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's tough, man. You just don't know who's gonna be
down there. I'm hoping. I'm hoping two quarterback, two quarterbacks goal,
and if three quarterbacks goal, the football gods will be
with me, you know. So you know they're gonna push
a lot of meat down to us. So I'm just waiting.
(00:59):
I'm really am you know, don't really amp for it.
Still oping Genty, I'm good with Genty. I'm good with Genty.
I'm good with Will Campbell, I'm good with Mason Graham.
If we don't get any of that at ten, I'm
good with moving back a few spots. You know, I
(01:22):
don't want to move up and give away two first
round picks. I mean to our two second round picks.
I heard I heard some egregious about us trading our
thirty nine and next year is first to move up
to two to get who they're talking about, abdual Carter, Jesus.
(01:47):
But anything that's mortgaging next year is one other than
other than bringing in mouse Garrett, I'm out. And then
I hear that we're gonna trade number thirty nine in
the second round to the Bengals and still bring in uh,
what's his name, Trey Hendrickson, Hendrickson from Yeah so who knows?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, man, I'd be opposed to moving up at all
in the first round. And right, I don't see many
blue Chippers in this. It's more that, yeah, so the
same thing I'm trading down.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to trade up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, what ever? Thoughts on Amazon Graham?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I like him, man, like I like I said last week.
I like his molder. He don't seem like he's the
most athletic. He doesn't seem like he's the strongest guy,
the fastest guy. He just make freaking plays.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know, a lot, like a lot like Hutchinson, you
know from from there last year. And he just don't
seem like he graded great on a lot of things
as in you know, attribute speed, strength, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But he makes freaking plays all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So is that the one thing that sticks out to you?
He makes plays because there's nothing physically, No, that.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nothing physically you know.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I mean, he's not abnormally big, abnormally strong beauty, like
I said, a freak athlete. He's just his motor you know,
his motors is NonStop. He's he has that, and I
don't want to give him that. I was just about
to say Max Crosby, but he definitely had hutcheson motor.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
He's going power, Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I think the one thing that concerned about him has well, well,
his lack of physical traits transit mm hmm. And he's
because he stays on the ground too much and will
NFL lineman take advantage.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Take advantage of because his hand don't seem that that violent.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean yeah, yeah, like you look at him, it's
like nothing that stands out. But like you said, he's
always around.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Around, He's always around. Yeah, He's always around.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So yeah, I mean in that range, the ten range,
i'd be happy with him.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So getting straight to it, I'm gonna use your your
crystal ball here. Okay, if you have to pick one
player in this draft, glass, who's gonna be a Hall
of Famer when it's I was said and done.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Mm hmmm, who is it asking? Genty mm hmmmm hmm.
I just think his.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Not saying that he's super fast, but his his agility
to get through tackles and stay upright, his balance, his
vision is is it's crazy. You know, his wiggle, his burst.
If he can, if he can string together ten years,
it'll be Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Second guy, I know you're gonna acts. Okay, Second guy,
h I think Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Just because I think he he puts me in the
mold of a Charles Woolson.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You got w play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Play both sides of the ball. I don't know if
he'll be able.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
To to move to eighth or anything like that just because
the size, but who knows what he can buck up
and be. But I just think it's he'll be able
to play inside. You know, he'll be able to play outside,
on on on on wide receivers, and then what's the
craziest thing about that on offense he can come in
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and play all inside and outside. He has to wiggle
to play inside, and he has the skill to play
outside with the route running.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So man, if he if he's streamed together seven years,
seven eight years, you know, being good on one side
and elite on the other. You know how I can't
dispute that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I'm feel you. Yes, it's hundred is a good one.
Jamee th just says he's a running back. It's tough,
but he's that good.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, he's that good.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If I had to pick one, I'll probably Man, I'm
going out of the limbs just because I like him
so much. Okay, Walter Nolan uh D tackle from Old
Miss Okay, he's just unique in his strength and ability
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to put the run and rest the passer. My only
thing with him is when he gets that second contract
where he's still.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Be motivated, would still be hungry.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, he's the guy who went to five high schools,
two colleges. So I don't know where. I don't know why,
but it could be a reason, could be not. I
don't know, but I like him, but I'll say him
and he's just at a position that production matter.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So mm hm, where is he projected to go? Did
you did you see a few.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Months mid to late first late first. Yeah. So I've
seen him rank the head of Mason Graham m hmm,
mostly second to third tackle. We'll see. I like him now, okay, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Gonna go look at some tape on him.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, he's a monster. Look at him against the game Cocks.
Oh my god. Okay, they just lined him up up
and down the line looking for miss matches.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
He whooped everybody else, Okay, everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So yeah, I'm gonna go check him all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, it was fun. If there's a guy in the
draft who you think be out of the league in
three years, who is it?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's a kid's name? Man, I hate picking on.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
This kid and a high pick now yeah yeah, and
I hope he pulls me wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man, oh man, what's his name? Is his name? Marcus Walker?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Is that the guy the the.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
He's player's edge outside back of for Georgia.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh, Jason Walker?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Oh, Michael, they got too Williams, the one that Mike Williams,
the one that thought he might w plock at four
to four but he ended up plocking the four to
seven je.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And he lost his birth Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No, I'm not saying out the league, but definitely not
producing like the high draft pick. He's going to be
drafted top twelve, top twelve, top fourteen, you know. So
I just don't see an edge like four to seven
because in the day, we probably had like all of
(10:01):
one little gun ye who we had, he probably mad
like a four to seven. But those days have changed.
You gotta you know, we're running different past games and
they're not holding the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
To get that out, you gotta be able to get
off the ball. You gotta have a burst.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, and the good it was a third round pick
or something that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah from Miami and yeah we got from yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So yeah, yeah, Jenn Walkers is going to go high
and you're gonna go high. Yeah, another huge thing. I
mean sixty maybe, yeah, four to seven that you gotta
have a magic trick, so that be man. But yeah,
(10:50):
I don't know if it's one. I can think I'll
be out of the league now that I don't like him,
But I got picked somebody to pick somebody. I have
to go with Johan Campbell from linebacker from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh I like that kid, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Too, But he doesn't really have a position.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
If he flames out at the edge or linebacker mm hmmm,
and not necessarily, they be out of the league. But yeah,
bounce around and I have a role kind of like
Simmons from kind of just yeah. But guys like that
(11:53):
scare me because they don't have a defined role. And
then like he's not. It's not like you can say,
kick him inside the tackle. He's a linebacker. So that's tough.
But I like him. I like him, but it could
(12:14):
be if it goes wrong, he goes to the wrong place,
you'll be gone.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So I like him. Yeah, you know, they say he
can rest the past or, they say he can play inside,
they play, They say he can play.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Will you know, like you say, don't have but he's
he's a jack of all trains.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, but you know what they say about that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What's the next line?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The master of none?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right, So we'll let's say if you if you had
the of the quarterbacks in this class, pick up a
perfect landing spot for each of them for Ward, Sanders,
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Dark and Mirror.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh man, I guess I would take probably the first two.
I'm not gonna say perfect, but yeah, I think that's
what they're you know. I mean, of course, I think
best scenario for to do it is go to the Giants,
you know, if they're saying he the second quarterback each
(13:29):
one of them. I think the Titans are gonna be okay,
you know, because they did some things with the line.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They got a few weapons on the outside.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So either Cam or to do one, you know, but
I guess they canceled to do his workout, so I
guess it's gonna be Cam.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So in team fits as well, So I think Cam
fits intendency.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
We don't know what they're gonna be. We don't know
what they're gonna do because they gotta, they gotta.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They got a new.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Coach, right yeah, yeah, so we don't know like scheme
or anything like that. No, no, no, he was there last year,
right yeah, because Bravele got fired the year before.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So he's an upbeat guy.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know, he send guys out, he uses running backs
a lot. So I mean it seems like it could
be a good fit because Cam is he's pretty accurate,
could throw the deep ball, they throw it down the field,
so so that but I would you know, I mean,
I'm good with either Cam what's your door? I mean
I have them neck and neck. I don't I don't
see a huge guy what everyone is saying. You know,
(14:33):
I really like your door, you know, but either like
I said, either Cam and your door there, either Cam
and spors your door with the Giants. I probably would
rather the Giants than than Cleveland, just because it is Cleveland.
But you know, yeah yeah Brown, yeah right, But I
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think d Ball. I think he's a really really good coach,
you know. I think he can pull.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So he pulled, he pulled, He pulled some good years
out of Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah, as much as you could.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, just good. So you know, I like you doing
going there or Cam, bless you?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So Jack Dark, I do like Dark with I would
love for Dark to go to the to the Saints.
I'm good with him going with the Saints, you know,
especially they're gonna drop somebody down to us. But I
know they're looking at I know that they're looking at quarterback,
so he can go there if he fall. I saw
(15:37):
Dark going to you guys as well. I don't know
if you like him or not. I know you don't
like it, bless you, but that's.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Cool with me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I would love for meyl Rose to go with someone
creative I don't know, like someone who has who has
or can bring in. What's the old coordinator from from
the Ravens. Oh when they when they drafted when they
(16:14):
drafted Lamar?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, what's that man?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't think his name either, but.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
He used to be your coordinator too.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right, No, he's somebody else and now I can't remember who.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, but I will come back with his name on
the second take. But I can't remember his name. But
somebody creative on on, you know, and interpretating the run
in the past and just being just being forward thinking,
just like you like those guys did with with Lamar Man,
Like you said, it's hard to see a fit but
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a team that's talking about dropping back, you know thirty times,
forty forty five times. He's not that guy, you know,
not yet you know who knows if he can be
that guy. But give someone that's gonna use his athletic
ability to to you know, to get him up there.
I don't know if he's a better prospect then than
(17:11):
Anthony Richardson. They seemed pretty much equal to me. Did
he play, did he I don't know if he started
more games? And than Anthony Richardson. He did Melrose played
two years. Yeah, okay, okay, so he made you know, okay,
(17:31):
so you know, but I don't think he's gonna go
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, but he's a quarterback. But I don't think too.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, but I like it, you know, I like him.
You know, I'm very interested to see where he goes
and see.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
What they get out of him. You know, I don't
want to barrassing draft him.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But if you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Speaking the mirror, I mean, uh, Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones,
the coach Jones, what do you see that sister shaking out?
Like who do you think? Do you think that done?
With Richardson?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I don't think they're done.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't think I don't think Daniel Jones gonna beat
him out Bridges in this.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Wild stuff by tapping out like a couple two games.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
With seasons out, he had to come out for a minutes,
but just bringing in competition to fight for him, not
telling him, you know what, you're the starting quarterback board.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I just think that Daniel Jones has started more games.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He's a little more competent at quarterback because it was
years there, Like you've seen, he's seen more. But I
think that Anthony Richardson can do everything better than Daniel Jones,
you know, bigger, on, bigger, stronger, faster. The only thing
I think that Daniel Jones can probably process things are
(19:01):
just a tad bit faster because he's been there. But
I still don't think he's a good reader, you know,
of defenses or things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, so who.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Knows if the if the o C can skim things open,
you know. But I don't think he's gonna be it.
I don't think it's gonna be the answer Richardson.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, yeah, I mean he's got more experience, but I
mean I think he's more of an insurance policy than anything.
So we'll see last question about the draft before we
go down, and I'll find a question. If there's a
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team you can see trading back up into the first
round to get a player who's slipping, who would be
that team and for what player?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Okay, I don't know if it'll be slipping, but I
could see Cleveland trading back up in the first round
for Jackson Dark.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Too, if they draft abdual Carter or.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Travis Hunter, you know, and too, I can see them
trading back in to to to nab a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Then they'll have Pickets. Mm hmm, it's the same guy. Yeah,
you're right, you're right, You're right. So I could I
could see them moving back up to in the.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
First round to get them, just so they'll have that
fifth year to make a decision on them. But I
think that Dark is probably where Kenny Pickett is now.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So I mean, I think it's upside. I think it's
upside is higher, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, it's floor is definitely higher, and it's upside it's higher.
I think Picket, you know what you're gonna get can picket?
He will never get much better? Right, But yeah, ship,
I hope so I would love for the Barons to
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have both of them.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think. I don't think Dark is gonna get
out of probably fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I hope not.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't think so, oh you don't want to get
to you guys, No, I do not.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But I said the same thing last year about bo Nick,
So I'll hold my judgment.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, So right, yeah, right? Ye had he played a
lot of football, man, Yeah, he's seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Bo Nicks seen a lot. Yeah, and he reformed his
game when it was in Oregon. Yeah yeah, just like
just like Jalen hurts re find his game and right.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So he's saying the good and the bad, right, yeah,
so and he went to the right right situation. Well
you know, chompayon greateful, Yes, yes, sir, all right, So
first of all, shout out the al you know everything else,
(22:15):
you know our business. Everything is okay. But until then
we'll have no trivia. Of course, we'll see you in
your back out. But I got a question for you.
So you're on the road trip, okay, ten hour road trip? Okay,
(22:35):
you get in your car. You only got three artists
on your play list with the whole ten hours?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Mm hmmm?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Who what? Three?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
What?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Three artists? And name them?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
M kay? Of course we all know Tupac, right, Okay,
let me ask you a questions and group count as
one artist?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, okay, okay, out Casta and and Little Wayne Wow okay,
mm hmmm, I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It was hard for me to keep Goodie Mob out
of there.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I really wanted to lump them inn with Outcasts because
I gotta have Sea Lott Green.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But yet a couple of features, right, I'll get one
of your features right right.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, I definitely agree our cast scattery.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Going them yeah big for me of course, of course,
of course.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And just to switch it up, man, I gotta go Maxwell, Okay,
I don't think I can be wrapping the whole damn
and I got and I will say some other folks,
but it's if it's only three, it's got to be
something I know word for word the whole trip. I
(24:07):
can sing them all. Okay, So Maxwell, kind of break
the flow for me a little bit. Let me sad
name my wife.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, So did you see Terrence's two big outcast? I
gotta no brain? Okay, yeah, did you see tans Il
g real? They simlings?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So somebody asked the question. It was four options. If
you can give this NBA player one attribute, and it
was you can give Russell Westbrook, Curry shooting mm hmm,
get their roles, Lebron's doing better mm hmmm, give hardened
(25:10):
Kawhi's defense.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Or give then what's the last one? I forgot the
last one of those three? What you're going with?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You already know?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, we might actually get to see d Roads prime.
We never saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Never saw it, and that's that's crazy, right, you know
I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. Yeah, no,
at least ten years of.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Them, at least ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I would love that. But but Russ was Steph
shooting is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's banana to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That wouldn't be fair, you know, it wouldn't because he's
relentless on the drive, right, his motor is crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
As lastism is nuts man like. But any of those
I mean hardened with Kawhi's defense, right, that's yeah. Yeah,
I couldn't imagine. No, mm hmm, yeah, they get us
a creative player.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's fun to think about though, right mm.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Hm oh cool man. We're gonna again. No alse kind
of short, but you know anything, you got to get
off your chest before we got there.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
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to Carter, you know, for those who don't know, it's
my oldest son. And he was like, Dad, you you
did something with the File Life.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
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was like, what you're talking about? He said, you still?
You know you do pop. I was like, yeah, yeah,
we did a podcast. I said you still recently? I
said yeah, I said, well what happened? He said, oh,
Budd and there sitting down watching it right now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's all right?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And which Budd, that's my youngest son ericson ten years old.
Shout out to ericson showing showing Dad and Uncle Jay love.
Appreciate you, man, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
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was little kids.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
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Speaker 1 (28:05):
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Speaker 2 (28:13):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
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out to your side for committing to a school proudly?
Are you proud of that? Young man?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
All right, appreciate you before you man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Man, You're you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Man, So shout out of the carter and many blessings
move forward.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
No doubt. Yeah, man, we'll get out of here, go
finish watching these Lakers. Get let Luca get in. Yeah,
and we'll how let y'all next week. Until then, the
file
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Filees feace pace
Welcome to the Firelight Podcast. I'm your host j R. Glymph,
John is always want to four co hosts Thomas Stevens.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, what's good? You know? Draft? The draft is beround
the corner.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, good's here man. Yeah, I'm good man, living life.
You know how I go.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's sat one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah man, Yeah, you mentioned man, draft right around the corner.
What you're thinking, what you're gonna do? You're bad.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's tough, man. You just don't know who's gonna be
down there. I'm hoping. I'm hoping two quarterback, two quarterbacks goal,
and if three quarterbacks goal, the football gods will be
with me, you know. So you know they're gonna push
a lot of meat down to us. So I'm just waiting.
(00:59):
I'm really am you know, don't really amp for it.
Still oping Genty, I'm good with Genty. I'm good with Genty.
I'm good with Will Campbell, I'm good with Mason Graham.
If we don't get any of that at ten, I'm
good with moving back a few spots. You know, I
(01:22):
don't want to move up and give away two first
round picks. I mean to our two second round picks.
I heard I heard some egregious about us trading our
thirty nine and next year is first to move up
to two to get who they're talking about, abdual Carter, Jesus.
(01:47):
But anything that's mortgaging next year is one other than
other than bringing in mouse Garrett, I'm out. And then
I hear that we're gonna trade number thirty nine in
the second round to the Bengals and still bring in uh,
what's his name, Trey Hendrickson, Hendrickson from Yeah so who knows?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, man, I'd be opposed to moving up at all
in the first round. And right, I don't see many
blue Chippers in this. It's more that, yeah, so the
same thing I'm trading down.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to trade up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, what ever? Thoughts on Amazon Graham?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I like him, man, like I like I said last week.
I like his molder. He don't seem like he's the
most athletic. He doesn't seem like he's the strongest guy,
the fastest guy. He just make freaking plays.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know, a lot, like a lot like Hutchinson, you
know from from there last year. And he just don't
seem like he graded great on a lot of things
as in you know, attribute speed, strength, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But he makes freaking plays all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So is that the one thing that sticks out to you?
He makes plays because there's nothing physically, No, that.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nothing physically you know.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I mean, he's not abnormally big, abnormally strong beauty, like
I said, a freak athlete. He's just his motor you know,
his motors is NonStop. He's he has that, and I
don't want to give him that. I was just about
to say Max Crosby, but he definitely had hutcheson motor.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
He's going power, Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I think the one thing that concerned about him has well, well,
his lack of physical traits transit mm hmm. And he's
because he stays on the ground too much and will
NFL lineman take advantage.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Take advantage of because his hand don't seem that that violent.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean yeah, yeah, like you look at him, it's
like nothing that stands out. But like you said, he's
always around.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Around, He's always around. Yeah, He's always around.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So yeah, I mean in that range, the ten range,
i'd be happy with him.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So getting straight to it, I'm gonna use your your
crystal ball here. Okay, if you have to pick one
player in this draft, glass, who's gonna be a Hall
of Famer when it's I was said and done.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Mm hmmm, who is it asking? Genty mm hmmmm hmm.
I just think his.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Not saying that he's super fast, but his his agility
to get through tackles and stay upright, his balance, his
vision is is it's crazy. You know, his wiggle, his burst.
If he can, if he can string together ten years,
it'll be Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Second guy, I know you're gonna acts. Okay, Second guy,
h I think Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Just because I think he he puts me in the
mold of a Charles Woolson.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You got w play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Play both sides of the ball. I don't know if
he'll be able.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
To to move to eighth or anything like that just because
the size, but who knows what he can buck up
and be. But I just think it's he'll be able
to play inside. You know, he'll be able to play outside,
on on on on wide receivers, and then what's the
craziest thing about that on offense he can come in
(06:18):
and play all inside and outside. He has to wiggle
to play inside, and he has the skill to play
outside with the route running.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So man, if he if he's streamed together seven years,
seven eight years, you know, being good on one side
and elite on the other. You know how I can't
dispute that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I'm feel you. Yes, it's hundred is a good one.
Jamee th just says he's a running back. It's tough,
but he's that good.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, he's that good.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If I had to pick one, I'll probably Man, I'm
going out of the limbs just because I like him
so much. Okay, Walter Nolan uh D tackle from Old
Miss Okay, he's just unique in his strength and ability
(07:19):
to put the run and rest the passer. My only
thing with him is when he gets that second contract
where he's still.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Be motivated, would still be hungry.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, he's the guy who went to five high schools,
two colleges. So I don't know where. I don't know why,
but it could be a reason, could be not. I
don't know, but I like him, but I'll say him
and he's just at a position that production matter.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So mm hm, where is he projected to go? Did
you did you see a few.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Months mid to late first late first. Yeah. So I've
seen him rank the head of Mason Graham m hmm,
mostly second to third tackle. We'll see. I like him now, okay, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Gonna go look at some tape on him.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, he's a monster. Look at him against the game Cocks.
Oh my god. Okay, they just lined him up up
and down the line looking for miss matches.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
He whooped everybody else, Okay, everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So yeah, I'm gonna go check him all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, it was fun. If there's a guy in the
draft who you think be out of the league in
three years, who is it?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's a kid's name? Man, I hate picking on.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
This kid and a high pick now yeah yeah, and
I hope he pulls me wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man, oh man, what's his name? Is his name? Marcus Walker?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Is that the guy the the.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
He's player's edge outside back of for Georgia.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh, Jason Walker?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Oh, Michael, they got too Williams, the one that Mike Williams,
the one that thought he might w plock at four
to four but he ended up plocking the four to
seven je.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And he lost his birth Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No, I'm not saying out the league, but definitely not
producing like the high draft pick. He's going to be
drafted top twelve, top twelve, top fourteen, you know. So
I just don't see an edge like four to seven
because in the day, we probably had like all of
(10:01):
one little gun ye who we had, he probably mad
like a four to seven. But those days have changed.
You gotta you know, we're running different past games and
they're not holding the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
To get that out, you gotta be able to get
off the ball. You gotta have a burst.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, and the good it was a third round pick
or something that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah from Miami and yeah we got from yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So yeah, yeah, Jenn Walkers is going to go high
and you're gonna go high. Yeah, another huge thing. I
mean sixty maybe, yeah, four to seven that you gotta
have a magic trick, so that be man. But yeah,
(10:50):
I don't know if it's one. I can think I'll
be out of the league now that I don't like him,
But I got picked somebody to pick somebody. I have
to go with Johan Campbell from linebacker from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh I like that kid, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Too, But he doesn't really have a position.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
If he flames out at the edge or linebacker mm hmmm,
and not necessarily, they be out of the league. But yeah,
bounce around and I have a role kind of like
Simmons from kind of just yeah. But guys like that
(11:53):
scare me because they don't have a defined role. And
then like he's not. It's not like you can say,
kick him inside the tackle. He's a linebacker. So that's tough.
But I like him. I like him, but it could
(12:14):
be if it goes wrong, he goes to the wrong place,
you'll be gone.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So I like him. Yeah, you know, they say he
can rest the past or, they say he can play inside,
they play, They say he can play.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Will you know, like you say, don't have but he's
he's a jack of all trains.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, but you know what they say about that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What's the next line?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The master of none?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right, So we'll let's say if you if you had
the of the quarterbacks in this class, pick up a
perfect landing spot for each of them for Ward, Sanders,
(12:58):
Dark and Mirror.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh man, I guess I would take probably the first two.
I'm not gonna say perfect, but yeah, I think that's
what they're you know. I mean, of course, I think
best scenario for to do it is go to the Giants,
you know, if they're saying he the second quarterback each
(13:29):
one of them. I think the Titans are gonna be okay,
you know, because they did some things with the line.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They got a few weapons on the outside.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So either Cam or to do one, you know, but
I guess they canceled to do his workout, so I
guess it's gonna be Cam.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So in team fits as well, So I think Cam
fits intendency.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
We don't know what they're gonna be. We don't know
what they're gonna do because they gotta, they gotta.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They got a new.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Coach, right yeah, yeah, so we don't know like scheme
or anything like that. No, no, no, he was there last year,
right yeah, because Bravele got fired the year before.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So he's an upbeat guy.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know, he send guys out, he uses running backs
a lot. So I mean it seems like it could
be a good fit because Cam is he's pretty accurate,
could throw the deep ball, they throw it down the field,
so so that but I would you know, I mean,
I'm good with either Cam what's your door? I mean
I have them neck and neck. I don't I don't
see a huge guy what everyone is saying. You know,
(14:33):
I really like your door, you know, but either like
I said, either Cam and your door there, either Cam
and spors your door with the Giants. I probably would
rather the Giants than than Cleveland, just because it is Cleveland.
But you know, yeah yeah Brown, yeah right, But I
(14:55):
think d Ball. I think he's a really really good coach,
you know. I think he can pull.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So he pulled, he pulled, He pulled some good years
out of Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah, as much as you could.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, just good. So you know, I like you doing
going there or Cam, bless you?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So Jack Dark, I do like Dark with I would
love for Dark to go to the to the Saints.
I'm good with him going with the Saints, you know,
especially they're gonna drop somebody down to us. But I
know they're looking at I know that they're looking at quarterback,
so he can go there if he fall. I saw
(15:37):
Dark going to you guys as well. I don't know
if you like him or not. I know you don't
like it, bless you, but that's.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Cool with me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I would love for meyl Rose to go with someone
creative I don't know, like someone who has who has
or can bring in. What's the old coordinator from from
the Ravens. Oh when they when they drafted when they
(16:14):
drafted Lamar?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, what's that man?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't think his name either, but.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
He used to be your coordinator too.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right, No, he's somebody else and now I can't remember who.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, but I will come back with his name on
the second take. But I can't remember his name. But
somebody creative on on, you know, and interpretating the run
in the past and just being just being forward thinking,
just like you like those guys did with with Lamar Man,
Like you said, it's hard to see a fit but
(16:49):
a team that's talking about dropping back, you know thirty times,
forty forty five times. He's not that guy, you know,
not yet you know who knows if he can be
that guy. But give someone that's gonna use his athletic
ability to to you know, to get him up there.
I don't know if he's a better prospect then than
(17:11):
Anthony Richardson. They seemed pretty much equal to me. Did
he play, did he I don't know if he started
more games? And than Anthony Richardson. He did Melrose played
two years. Yeah, okay, okay, so he made you know, okay,
(17:31):
so you know, but I don't think he's gonna go
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, but he's a quarterback. But I don't think too.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, but I like it, you know, I like him.
You know, I'm very interested to see where he goes
and see.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
What they get out of him. You know, I don't
want to barrassing draft him.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But if you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Speaking the mirror, I mean, uh, Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones,
the coach Jones, what do you see that sister shaking out?
Like who do you think? Do you think that done?
With Richardson?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I don't think they're done.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't think I don't think Daniel Jones gonna beat
him out Bridges in this.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Wild stuff by tapping out like a couple two games.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
With seasons out, he had to come out for a minutes,
but just bringing in competition to fight for him, not
telling him, you know what, you're the starting quarterback board.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I just think that Daniel Jones has started more games.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He's a little more competent at quarterback because it was
years there, Like you've seen, he's seen more. But I
think that Anthony Richardson can do everything better than Daniel Jones,
you know, bigger, on, bigger, stronger, faster. The only thing
I think that Daniel Jones can probably process things are
(19:01):
just a tad bit faster because he's been there. But
I still don't think he's a good reader, you know,
of defenses or things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, so who.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Knows if the if the o C can skim things open,
you know. But I don't think he's gonna be it.
I don't think it's gonna be the answer Richardson.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, yeah, I mean he's got more experience, but I
mean I think he's more of an insurance policy than anything.
So we'll see last question about the draft before we
go down, and I'll find a question. If there's a
(19:44):
team you can see trading back up into the first
round to get a player who's slipping, who would be
that team and for what player?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Okay, I don't know if it'll be slipping, but I
could see Cleveland trading back up in the first round
for Jackson Dark.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Too, if they draft abdual Carter or.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Travis Hunter, you know, and too, I can see them
trading back in to to to nab a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Then they'll have Pickets. Mm hmm, it's the same guy. Yeah,
you're right, you're right, You're right. So I could I
could see them moving back up to in the.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
First round to get them, just so they'll have that
fifth year to make a decision on them. But I
think that Dark is probably where Kenny Pickett is now.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So I mean, I think it's upside. I think it's
upside is higher, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, it's floor is definitely higher, and it's upside it's higher.
I think Picket, you know what you're gonna get can picket?
He will never get much better? Right, But yeah, ship,
I hope so I would love for the Barons to
(21:14):
have both of them.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think. I don't think Dark is gonna get
out of probably fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I hope not.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't think so, oh you don't want to get
to you guys, No, I do not.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But I said the same thing last year about bo Nick,
So I'll hold my judgment.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, So right, yeah, right? Ye had he played a
lot of football, man, Yeah, he's seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Bo Nicks seen a lot. Yeah, and he reformed his
game when it was in Oregon. Yeah yeah, just like
just like Jalen hurts re find his game and right.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So he's saying the good and the bad, right, yeah,
so and he went to the right right situation. Well
you know, chompayon greateful, Yes, yes, sir, all right, So
first of all, shout out the al you know everything else,
(22:15):
you know our business. Everything is okay. But until then
we'll have no trivia. Of course, we'll see you in
your back out. But I got a question for you.
So you're on the road trip, okay, ten hour road trip? Okay,
(22:35):
you get in your car. You only got three artists
on your play list with the whole ten hours?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Mm hmmm?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Who what? Three?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
What?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Three artists? And name them?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
M kay? Of course we all know Tupac, right, Okay,
let me ask you a questions and group count as
one artist?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, okay, okay, out Casta and and Little Wayne Wow okay,
mm hmmm, I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It was hard for me to keep Goodie Mob out
of there.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I really wanted to lump them inn with Outcasts because
I gotta have Sea Lott Green.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But yet a couple of features, right, I'll get one
of your features right right.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, I definitely agree our cast scattery.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Going them yeah big for me of course, of course,
of course.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And just to switch it up, man, I gotta go Maxwell, Okay,
I don't think I can be wrapping the whole damn
and I got and I will say some other folks,
but it's if it's only three, it's got to be
something I know word for word the whole trip. I
(24:07):
can sing them all. Okay, So Maxwell, kind of break
the flow for me a little bit. Let me sad
name my wife.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, So did you see Terrence's two big outcast? I
gotta no brain? Okay, yeah, did you see tans Il
g real? They simlings?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So somebody asked the question. It was four options. If
you can give this NBA player one attribute, and it
was you can give Russell Westbrook, Curry shooting mm hmm,
get their roles, Lebron's doing better mm hmmm, give hardened
(25:10):
Kawhi's defense.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Or give then what's the last one? I forgot the
last one of those three? What you're going with?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You already know?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, we might actually get to see d Roads prime.
We never saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Never saw it, and that's that's crazy, right, you know
I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. Yeah, no,
at least ten years of.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Them, at least ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I would love that. But but Russ was Steph
shooting is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's banana to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That wouldn't be fair, you know, it wouldn't because he's
relentless on the drive, right, his motor is crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
As lastism is nuts man like. But any of those
I mean hardened with Kawhi's defense, right, that's yeah. Yeah,
I couldn't imagine. No, mm hmm, yeah, they get us
a creative player.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's fun to think about though, right mm.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Hm oh cool man. We're gonna again. No alse kind
of short, but you know anything, you got to get
off your chest before we got there.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And I heard something really cool today. I was talking
to Carter, you know, for those who don't know, it's
my oldest son. And he was like, Dad, you you
did something with the File Life.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was like, what are you talking about? He was like,
y'all did something with the five Life. You know. I
was like, what you're talking about? He said, you still?
You know you do pop. I was like, yeah, yeah,
we did a podcast. I said you still recently? I
said yeah, I said, well what happened? He said, oh,
Budd and there sitting down watching it right now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's all right?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And which Budd, that's my youngest son ericson ten years old.
Shout out to ericson showing showing Dad and Uncle Jay love.
Appreciate you, man, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Man, hey, yeah, ship, we've been kicking this since there
was little kids.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was moving them in the background.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right man, all right, get us on the two man.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, man, I ain't got nothing crazy speaking with. Shout
out to your side for committing to a school proudly?
Are you proud of that? Young man?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
All right, appreciate you before you man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Man, You're you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Man, So shout out of the carter and many blessings
move forward.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
No doubt, Bro, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
No doubt. Yeah, man, we'll get out of here, go
finish watching these Lakers. Get let Luca get in. Yeah,
and we'll how let y'all next week. Until then, the
file
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Filees feace pace
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