Classic Audio: Bill Cooper's 1992 Interview with CNN

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George Hobbs, Welcome back truth seekers from around the world.
It's time for another edition of our classic audio series.
It's been a few weeks since we've done one, and
this past Wednesday was actually the twenty fourth anniversary of
the killing of Bill Cooper, So tonight we're going back
to nineteen ninety two his full uncut interview with CNN

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for new listeners. He's best known for his book Behold
a Pale Horse. If you have not read it, get
a copy of it and make sure you get the
original version that has chapter fifteen in it as well.
You know, long before the Internet, you know, Bill was
teaching the truth. Now you can find podcast, YouTube videos

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and rumble. It's it's at everyone's fingertips. But you know,
Bill was really at the tip of the spear when
it came to truth seeking in the nineties. He was
radio host and author, and he truly became one of
the more controversial figures of the twenty first century. As

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June twenty eighth, two thousand and one, Bill warned something
was coming right. Osama bin Laden was, you know, the
most wanted man in the world. Nobody could find him
except for a CNN reporter and you know, nine to
eleven happened, and six or seven weeks later Bill was dead.
This is one of the most watched videos on YouTube

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as far as Bill Cooper series, tens of thousands of views.
This is again the unedited two hour version of Bill
Cooper's interview from nineteen ninety two with CNN. God bless
you all have a great week, and without any further ado,
here is the one and only Bill Bill.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, thanks for uh agreeing to the interview. First of all, yuh,
a little bit about your background. You had extensive military
service for many years prior to uh nineteen seventy where
a certain aspect of that milit military service kicked upstairs,
so you were able to see certain things that you
were not able to see beforehand. You if would you
tell us a little bit about about that.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Uh it it actually started much longer, uh, in my
past than that. I was reared in the military family.
My father's an Air Force colonel. He's retired now, he's
a command pilot, and as a child, I remember sitting
around in the U. I remember the pilots at our
house sitting around in the kitchen table UH talking about
their exploits in the cockpit and UH what they had

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seen in the skies, and some of that talk involved
UFOs and what someone then called food fighters UH. And
I traveled all over the world, lived on a military
basis for most of my life. I was really UH
UH and then d doctrinated individual you might say I was.
I was a UH as establishment as you could get,

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as gung ho pro government, pro uh UH America, pro military.
And that's why I went into the military, because that
had been so much of my life. I went into
the Air Force. I was in the Strategic Air Command
for four years UH as an aircraft and missile nudraulic technician,
which is UH. I worked on the UH the uh

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pneumatic and hydraulic systems of B fifty two bombers, KC
one thirty five aircraft and Minuteman missiles. I had a
secret security clearance. That's where I saw my first atomic bomb.
I mean we worked around on these planes UH, especially
the ones on the UH alert Pad were always loaded
ready to go drop these bombs at a moment's notice.

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But while I was in the Air Force, I met
UH sergeants, men who were older than me and had
been in the Air Force for quite a while told
me that they had participated in projects that had recovered
crashed extraterrestrial craft what you call UFOs. And they never

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told these stories and unless they'd had quite a bit
to drink, so I never really believed it. I thought, well,
these guys are running a scam on me. You know,
even though I had heard about these things when I
was a kid, UH, I just still didn't believe in that.
That just so far out and left field. It's not
something that you really give any serious thought to until
something personal happens, which came later. Well, I left the

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Air Force, I went into the Navy, UH, which was
really where I wanted to be in the first place.
I'd always had this tremendous UH feeling and connection with
the with the ocean. I was an excellent swimmer, but
I had a problem as a as a child, I
was I had chronic motion sickness. If I got in

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a car and we went on a long trip, I
got deathly ill, and the same with boats or anything.
I couldn't ride on the things that the carnival that
went around and round, because it just made me tremendously ill.
But I decided, after I had gone through the Air
Force experience that sick or not, you know, I was
gonna go in the Navy because that's really what I
had wanted to do. So I did volunteered for submarine

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duty and was assigned to the USS tyrou Ss four sixteen,
which was a diesel electric boat World War two type
that had been reconfigured. When I went on board the boat,
it was in the drydock at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard
and had literally been cut in half and they had
put in a twelve foot sonar section and then three

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domes on the deck for triangulating targets using sonar. And
this was really one of the most up to date
electronically submarines that we had. Wasn't a nuclear submarine, but
as as far as the ability to approach, get close
to a target and destroy it it, it had a

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better capacity to do that than any other boat that
we had. While we were on a transit from the
Portland Seattle area on the surface, I actually saw I
was the port lookout UH and I saw the most
incredible thing and I think I've ever seen in my life. Uh,
and it and it had such a profound effect upon

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my view of the universe and the world that we
live in that I wish everybody could experience this. I
saw come up out of the ocean from beneath the
surface of the sea, a huge disc shaped craft about
the size of a Midway class aircraft carrier, which is
tremendous in size. Uh. Even though that's one of our

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smallest carriers there was then, it's still a huge, tremendously
big object came up out of the ocean and rose
into the air and tumbled on its axis and went
up into the clouds. And I was awestruck, dumbstruck, and uh,
I mean dumbstruck. Literally I could not utter a sound. Uh.
And my first impulse was to tell the aufs of

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the deck that I'd seen a flying saucer. And then
luckily for me, I couldn't talk uh because on second thought,
that's not what I really wanted to say, because I
didn't want to be the only Looney Tunes character on
a submarine with a tight knit crew that you had
to live close close quarters with, because that's Uh, that's
a hell of a way to live. So I told

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the also the deck that i'd seen something about fifteen
degrees off the port bow at a relative distance of
about two and a half doneical miles, And he began
to look in that area. And the starboard lookout had
heard me tell him this, and he began to look
over there. And while we were all three watching, either

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the same craft or another one, exactly like it came
down out of the clouds tumbled again on. It's why
it does this maneuver, I don't know, but every single
time it did it, it's like it came down in
this attitude and then it flipped over and then entered
the water. Uh, and the water just appeared to open
up in front of it. It's just like the the
count in the in the Bible about the parting of

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the Red Sea. That's exactly what happened. The sea actually parted,
and this thing went into the water, and then it
closed up behind it, and this big spray went up
into the air. But it wasn't a spray from the
craft hitting the water. It was a spray from the
water coming back in to fill up this hole that
had been created and again, you know, I think it this,

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this is incredible. It's fuel. What are we looking at here?
And it was metal. It was a machine and it
wasn't glowing or anything like that. I didn't have any
lights on it that we could see. But it was
obviously metal and it was obviously a machine. And although
I can't tell you that there was anyone inside of it,

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I believed that there was. And it did something that that,
as far as I knew, was absolutely impossible. I'd been
in the Air Force, I'd worked on the state of
the art of our of our UH aviation capabilities, and
here I was on the deck of a submarine from

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the Conning tower, and I knew what we had to
be able to have to go underwater, and I knew
that the two were incompatible. Here's something that came from
under the water and flew in the air and performed
maneuvers and then came back down and interfaced with the
water at tremendous speed UH and remained intact UH, which

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realistically it it It never touched the water. The water
sort of magically opened up in front of it. But
something had to interface with that. Are anything that we
had that interfaced with the water in that manner would
have been disintegrated. It's like hitting a brick wall. So
I was looking at a technology that, as far as

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our laws, the physics, and what we knew at that time,
didn't exist. And this was in nineteen sixty six. Uh,
and insignt Ball was as shocked as I was. He
called the captain to the bridge, who came up with
the chief quartermaster, who brought a camera and uh. We
all stood there and watched this occurrent over and over

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again for about ten minutes. And I still to this
day don't know if it was the same craft or
a whole bunch of different craft going in and out
of the water, but it seemed like that. There was
a hell of a lot of traffic on that freeway
right there, and we were watching it as we went by.
We never changed course, we never lowered our or increased
our speed. Uh. We made no attempt to communicate or signal,

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and we made no attempt to get closer, and eventually
it just stopped. We were told not to discuss it
with anyone, not even amongst ourselves, which was incredible. I
never had been told anything like that in my life.
You know, we can't talk about something and to be
told that we couldn't even talk about it amongst ourselves

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was even more extraordinary, I thought, But we didn't. We
didn't talk about it when we got to UH Pearl Harbor. Oh.
All all the time the chief quartermaster was taking pictures
of this, so I know photographs were made. UH what
happened to those photographs, I have no idea. But when
we reached Pearl Harbor, we were not allowed to go
ashore to to UH go on liberty, even though we

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didn't have the duty. And about two hours after we
birthed UH at the submarine base, a commander from the
Office of Mainland Intelligence came on board and UH debriefed
each one of us individually in the captain's stateroom and
the UH the ultimate outcome of the debriefing was that
UH we didn't see anything, We didn't hear anything, and

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we had to read rules and regulations UH that told
us that if we ever talked about what it was
that we didn't see, that we could UH be imprisoned.
UH we could be fined ten thousand dollars, we could
lose all pain allowances, do wherever to become due. And
I learned at that moment that the United States Navy
didn't want anybody to know about what we saw and

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that severe consequences could come down around the neck of
anybody who did. And that was when I understood fully that, yeah,
there's a real cover up. These things do exist, number one,
and at least the United States Navy doesn't want anybody
to know about it, and there's stiff penalties for anybody

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who bucks that.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Moving forward a few years from what nineteen sixty six,
you gained a special security clearance that revealed to you
certain documents or were revealed to you or that you
saw relating to this very cover up, to this.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
And many other things. I was eventually trained by Naval
Security and Intelligence, and I was given a secondary NEC
which is Naval enlisted CO which was nine five four five,
which is internal security Specialist. And an internal security specialist
is someone who UH protects classified information and protects areas,

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so to speak. And I had a specialty which I
was trained in which was Pacific Area Intelligence Briefings. And
I was eventually assigned to the Commander in Chief the
United States Pacific Fleet, who was Admiral Bernard Clary at
that time, and served as a member of his intelligence
briefing team. And basically all that means we really had

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a wonderful job. You come in about four o'clock in
the morning and you go through all the message traffic
and all the everything, and uh, what you do is
you we What we did was we prepared and updated
briefing on everything that was happening in his half of
the world, which he commanded, the naval forces and marine
forces as a matter of fact, and put all this

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together in a briefing where we would update him on
ongoing operations, a brief him about operations that were scheduled
to begin, political situations, uh, deployment of Soviet forces, naval forces, everything.
And after the briefing was finished between eight and ten

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o'clock in the morning, then we were done. You know,
we were finished. So it was what you call fat
cat duty or get an duty in the Navy. It's
got all different kinds of names. It's it's just really
a a wonderful job. Now. To be able to function
in this job, I had to have a a security

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clearance which gave me access to the information that I
had to need to know to help prepare these briefings. Uh,
and when I first was assigned to the command, I
was attached to the OPSTAT Office under Lieutenant Commander Mercado UH,
which was UH operational status reporting. And while I waited

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for my security clearance and it took six months to
get it when I originally when I eventually ended up
with was a top secret Q clearance UH with an
SCI attachment, which means UH sensitive compartmentalized information. And there
were no blocks. In other words, there there was nothing
confining me to only certain UH compartmentalized information. I had

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access to whatever the Admiral any staff had access to
because we had to prepare briefings and brief these people
on all of these these things. And UH I'm sure
that at first UH I was tested and wasn't shown
a whole lot, But eventually, when they began to have
confidence in me, UH, I began to see things coming

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across my desk that were just absolutely incredible and and
a lot of it is is really hard to talk
about because of so far UH outside the normal concept
of reality for the average American that that they're gonna
find a hard time believing any of it. But I

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saw documents that were UH labeled UH under the classification
top secret, and the compartmentalize UH of the compartment that
that was put into it was called Magic m Ajic,
which told me that that UFO was a real which
I already knew I had seen work right, UH. But
this went farther than that. It told me that they

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were extraterrestrial in origin, that there were four different extraterrestrial
UH species or races visiting this earth. UH, and that
they had actually entered into an agreement with the United
States government with one of these UH species of alien
beings to exchange technology. And it told me all the
projects that that uh we underneath. This Project red Light

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was actually the testing of extraterrestrial craft.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
UH.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Project Plato was a diplomatic project. Pounce was the recovery
of technology. Pluto was the the application of that technology
to our own secret space program, not the public space program.
There are two different space programs. One is the what
the public gets to see, which is overseen by NASA,

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and the other one is a secret space program that
nobody gets to see, which is really overseen by the
Navy Department under specialized compartmentalized black projects. And and and
what these people are doing in secret is just absolutely incredible.

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I also saw documents under an operation called Operation Majority,
which outlined the plans to bring together a one world
government and also included extraterrestrial information within that. Project Grudge,
which was the second project. First was signed, and then
Project Grudge which contained all of the extraterrestrial information up

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to a certain point and forget the year cut off,
and then it was contained after that in another project
called Project Aquarius, which was the accumulation of the whole
history of alien interaction on the planet Earth. But I
have to say at this point that I don't know
if those documents were really telling the truth or not.

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They could have been showing me these things so that
eventually I would go out and talk about this, and
maybe that'll become clear to you later why they may
have done that. It could be real, though.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
At this point, person from personal standpoint, what was it
that you know based on your experience in sixty six
and they said, do not, absolutely, do not reveal this
to anybody. And here we are a few years later
and you're seeing documents that prove that you saw what
you saw was real. What was the one factor or
number of factors that led you to the decision to say,

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I've got to get this out. I've got to tell
people about this.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I saw contingency plans called majestic, and these contingency plans
were to well. First place, a contingency is a plan
that can be implemented if certain things occur. And the
certain things that would have tripped this contingency plan are
number one, the public sector is getting too close to

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the truth, so they have to implement this to get
them steered off the track. Or number two, we don't
want to tell the public the truth about the alien presence,
but there is so much alien in activity occurring that
the public is on the verge of finding out any anyway,
Let's tell them this story so that it doesn't cause

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consequences that we don't want. And that plan was called majestic.
I was in a bookstore one time. I had never
seen UFO magazine, didn't know it, didn't even know it exists.
In fact, I didn't even know that there was a
UFO culture in the world of people who uh who
uh study UFOs or worship UFOs or have little Ufo meetings.
I had no idea that that was occurring. I was

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in a bookstore one time, and I was looking at
the magazine rack. I'm an avid reader, and I'm always
in bookstores and and this one day I saw a
magazine just popped right out at me at UFO, and
I picked it up and I looked inside, and here
is Majestic all right there. And even even the people
who had been named to implement the plan were the

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ones who were actually implementing it. Uh William Moore, Stanton Friedman.
I had never heard of Jamie Shanderay, but he was named.
And they had brought out as a supposed genuine document
called the Eyesdear, a briefing document, which in reality is
a fraudulent document. It's a it's a fake, and it
was created to implement the Plan Majestic, to either indoctrinate

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the public on what the government wants the public to
perceive is happening, or to steer researchers away from the truth.
Are both.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
So this wasn't revealing the plan of Majestic, but it
was actually implementing the plan.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
The plan against the public. It was a psychological operation
against the public. This is what you saw. So immediately
I began my head began to spin around, and I
began to thank God. You know, I've got to tell
people that they're they're being manipulated. This is a lie,
and it really if the public were using their own intellect,
they would know that it was a lie. The executive

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order quoted for the for the this document was in
ninety two thousand something. I believe it was nine to
four four seven, which is ninety two thousand, forty seven,
and it was supposed written by Truman. But Truman never
wrote an executive vote order higher than nine thousand. I mean,

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even today, there's no executive order with the number ninety
two thousand on it. They've been consecutives since the beginning.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
So it's clearly fraudulent.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's clearly fraudulent. But the public that doesn't catch
on to this. And here you've got Stanton Friedman, one
of the guys who implemented the Contingency Plan Majestic, running
around the country telling everybody it's not an executive order,
it's a date September twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven, which
it very well could be a date, but it's listed
in that document as being an executive order of the

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President of the United States, Harry Truman. And because of
that it's fake, and many other things, but specifically that
is the most glaring proof of fraudulent intent in the document.
There are many other things in the document that also

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prove it's a forgery. But here they are, they're running
this contingency plan, and here I am, I know all
about it, and here's the public out there biting one.
They even ran that thing in the New York Times, uh,
like a two or three page spread showing all the documents. Uh.
So it had tremendous credibility lent to it by that action.
And so I decided, uh that I that I had

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to tell the public and uh get people on the
right track, which is the right track is don't believe anybody.
Don't believe me, don't believe George Bush, don't believe anyone.
You gotta go out and you gotta get proof in
your hand before you can believe anything. And to do
otherwise today is is the biggest mistake that anyone could
ever make. You begin believing people, uh, putting your trust

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in them that they're telling you the truth. I guarantee
you you're gonna take a ride on a roller coaster.
You don't wanna be on it.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Now this this controversy, and I I said, the very
the very understatement controversy. Yes, Uh it it also is
now extending, based on some things that you're revealing, uh,
into the Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes. In the in the set of documents, which really
was literally two or three file cabinets of documents called
Operation Majority, Uh, I saw documents which told me what
happened in Dallas and why. And basically what these documents
said was that, uh, the Intelodey's community felt that John F.
Kennedy was a threat to the national security, which translated

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into reality means was a threat to the New World Order,
the one world government, which they were uh actively in
the process of.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
For me, was there anything on record that Hindi indicated
that he was out to h well, things that he
he did would threaten that new World order?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh? Absolutely. He had written an executive order. I don't
remember the exact number now, but it's available to anybody
that wants to go look it up.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
He had written an executive order h ordering the printing
of United States notes, which would have broken the back
of the Federal Reserve, which is one of the major
instruments of propelling the United States and in the new
World order by destroying our economy, the basis upon which
we live, the basis upon which our whole society has founded,

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is being ripped right out from unders. That was one
number two. He refused to provide air support for the
evasion of Beya pigs, which ensured that that would be
a failure. He had threatened publicly on several occasions to
disband the CIA and scatter it to the thousand wins.
He had ordered in the documents that I saw, he

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had ordered the intelligence community to prepare a plan to
disclose the truth about UFOs to the public. Now I
don't know what that truth was, could be that maybe
there are no extraterrestrials, but whatever the truth was, he
had ordered a plan to be prepared that that disclosure
was going to be done according to that plan within
the following year, and the community consider that to be

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out of the question. And according to the documents that
I saw, his assassination was ordered by the Policy Committee
of the Builderberg Group, which is really the secret world government,
and was carried out by agents of Division five of
the FBI, the Secret Service, the Central Intelligence Agency, and
the Office of Naval Intelligence of which I was a

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part in Dallas, and it said that the assassin, the
man who actually administered the head wound, was the driver
of the car, William Greer, a Secret Service agent who
used an assassination pistol built by the CIA four assassinations
that was really an air gun that fired an exploding
pellet or could fire a small hypodermic needle or a

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poisoned dart using any one of many different deadly poisons. Specifically,
it said that he fired an exploding pellet which contained
shellfish toxin, and that the act was plainly visible in
a film with from the public. I looked for sixteen
years to find that film, and I finally found a
copy that showed we turned around and shoot the president.

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And since nineteen eighty eight, I've been showing that film
wherever I'm able to show it to wake people up.
It is not our government, though you have to understand
that it's doing these things. It is not our government
that's failing us. It's not the Constitution or the Bill
of Rights that's a bad instrument. It is a group

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of men who belong to secret societies, who have infiltrated
our society and our government at all levels and are
destroying it and subverting it from within. And every member
of Naval Intelligence that I knew who was an officer
was a thirty second or a thirty third degree free Mason.

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And I asked my commanding officer at one point, I said,
why are all you guys Masons? He said, Masons are
used to keeping secrets. It's part of their eternity. So
if you want someone who already knows how to keep
a secret, you recruit Freemasons. Well, later on I found
out what the truth is. The truth is is you're

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not going to be a Naval Intelligence officer unless you
are a Freemason or remember the ancient order that rose
and cross, but you have to be high degrees for that.
I think the reason I was selected is listen, mean,
is because I had belonged to the Demalay Society, which
is why as a teenager, that's sort of the first
level of Freemasonry. That's how they recruit teenagers and indoctrinate

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them into their principles so that they go right into
Freemasonry when they become an adult. So basically that's the story.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Okay, Well, based on the information that you're revealing which
would seem to be equally or if not more of
a threat than what Kennedy was originally planning on doing.
ISR is actually revealing the underlying cause of all of this?
Why is it that you are here today or how
is it that you are here today and you're not
conveniently taken away and put in a padded cell somewhere

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so that you can't speak of these things?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well, I really don't know the true answer to that question,
because you would have to ask them to find out
why they haven't done anything. But I can tell you this.
I began to reveal information in nineteen seventy six, and
I was physically attacked on two occasions. My skull was
caved in. That's what all these scars are here. On

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the second attack, I lost my leg. They visited me
in the hospital. They had no intention of killing me.
They were delivering a message to me shut up. And
that was the message that came through loud and clear,
and two men who identified themselves with the identification cards
who belonged to the Defense Investigative Service, which is really

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the Defense Intelligence Agency, asked me if I was going
to shut up or they were going to have to
to do it right. And I told them, I said,
you don't have to worry about me. I'm going to
be a good little boy for the rest of my life.
And yeah, I'm going to shut my mouth, and I
did for sixteen years, kept silent until I saw this

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UFO magazine in a bookstore which indicated that they had
implemented the contingency plan called Majestic. But if you want
to know what I think the reason is, I believe
that there are several one They've had a plan that's
been in force since the forties to debunk, ridicule, destroy

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anybody whoever talks about these subjects, and the public has
been thoroughly indoctrinated that if you talk about any of
these things that I'm talking about, you're just another net.
So the public by and large doesn't pay any attention
to it. So in that sense, I'm not a threat.
If the President had come on television and said, hey,
this is what's going on, then they would have listened

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and they pay attention to it. But people like me,
they perceived me as being just another luney ban fruitcake,
a net, which I assure you I'm not. But that's
the perception that they've been brainwashed into believing, and so
that's what they believe. Number Two, I am so much
in front of the public from the very beginning when

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I began to talk, and that's how I protected myself,
or at least that's what I thought would protect me,
and so far it's proven to be right. Was that
if I got literally in front of the public overnight,
in front of a large public, that they wouldn't do
anything to me because it would substantiate what it was
that I'm saying, and they certainly don't want to do that,

(31:44):
but also create a martyr, and martyrs create tremendously dangerous
political movements that they don't want that either. So literally,
within a twenty four hour period, I spent twenty seven
thousand dollars mailing a thick packet of information all over
the world to people I never heard of, didn't know.

(32:05):
We went down and got some mailing lists and just
mailed this stuff all over the world. And so literally
when people opened these packages in their mailbox, and it
was a perfect plan because they couldn't stop it. They
didn't even know I was gonna do it in the
first place, and since we sent it all over the world.
Once it was out, There's no way they could retrieve it.
There's no way that I can conceive of. So literally,

(32:27):
within twenty four hours, I was a public presence and
people were asking all over the world, Who's Bill Cooper?
Is this true? Look what I got in the mail
and just literally flipped the flip the world over on
its ear. And I've been in front of the public
ever since. So I think basically those are the reasons

(32:49):
they don't believe that the public's really gonna listen to me,
And so far that's been true. There is a small
group of people all over the world who are awakening,
who are beginning to understand that they've been living their
life in fantasy and who are actively seeking the truth.
But by and large, when the Secret Power Structure says,

(33:13):
as I've put in the first chapter of my book,
right out of one of their own technical manuals, that
a nation or world of people who do not use
their intelligence are no better than animals who do not
have intelligence, and thus there are stakes on the table
by choice and consent. They're absolutely right about the majority
of people. It's one of the things that has been

(33:37):
an illumination to me is that they're not always wrong,
and many of their goals are the right goals, but
the method that they're using to reach that goal is
the wrong method. In other words, if you set out
to create a perfect world where there will never be
any more killing, but to reach that point you kill

(33:59):
two billion people, you have become what you're trying to avoid.
And it can't happen that way. If you want to
create a world of peace, it has to be done
by people. Means, yeah, if you murder someone to destroy
a murderer, you have become what it was you set

(34:21):
out to destroy, and thus it wasn't destroyed at all,
it was perpetuated by that very action. And that's what
these men are doing. They rationalize everything they do so
that they feel better about it. But what they are
doing is becoming what it is that they want to
get rid of. And the world will never be a
safe place for anyone as long as there are men

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who do these things.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Very eloquently said thank you.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Your message to people once again is don't believe anything.
How is it that the public can find this and
you know, search for this truth on their own if
they can't believe anything or anyone.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's all. It's all in the public sector. It's all
available to anyone who actively and diling diligently seeks it out.
Everything that's that's in my book Behold a Pale Horse
is all everything in here, all the documents that are
in here, everything that's in this book is in the

(35:22):
public bed. Yes, And I intentionally wrote this book not
using anything that wasn't available to the public, to show
people that, yes, if I can find this information, so
can you. I have tons of stuff that's not available
to the public. But as you can see by reading
this book, you don't need that stuff, because it's what

(35:42):
you need is available to public. Libraries are are overflowing
with the proof of what's really going on in the world,
but nobody really utilizes it to the extent that they're
able to pick this out and put it together. Another

(36:03):
thing I've done for people is I put it together
for them so that they can see the overall picture,
rather than looking at small things and thinking that it's isolated.
Nothing is isolated. It's all part of a big puzzle,
and the puzzle is coming together. And when the puzzle
is a symbol, it's going to be a one world
totalitarian socialist government that nobody's going to like except the

(36:28):
people that are running it. It's Hitler all over again.
And the rationalization is we're going to create the world
without Waria, the utopia. But they will never create that
utopia because they're not dealing with the problem that makes
them want to create it, and that is the inherent
flaw in each individual human being that makes us do

(36:50):
the things that we do. Until that's overcome, there's never
going to be a world without war, or without rape,
or without killing or without robbery. Any anybody that thinks
that there is has already gone off the deep end.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So the method is here. I'm gonna hold a gun
to your head so you won't breape, you won't kill.
That's right, Yes, okay, I understand the title of your book,
Behold a Pale Horse. What significance does that have you?
What are you saying with this title?

Speaker 1 (37:18):
This title is from the Book of Revelations, because I
have to tell you this, and you may think I'm
nuts if you want to, but this is the truth.
Either these men are following the Book of Revelation. The
Book of Revelation is it is in the in the Bible,
they're either following it just like a plan, and bring

(37:42):
the prophecies in there to pass, to manipulate and control
those who believe in those prophecies, and neutralize them, so
to speak. In other words, if this is written in
the Bible and God has ordained it, who am I
to resist? It must come to pass, So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna try to stop it. What a
perfect way to neutralize the opposition right off the bat

(38:05):
are there really is a God? And what he said
was going to come to pass is coming to pass.
And I name this behold a pale horse. From Chapter
thirteen of the Book of Revelations, the fourth horse, the
fourth horseman of the Apocalypse is the pale horse. And

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I looked and behold a pale horse. And his name
that sat upon him was Death, and hell followed with him,
and power was given unto them over the fourth part
of the earth to kill with sword and with hunger,
and with the beasts of the earth. And that is
taking place now today. The fourth Horseman is riding across

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the world. Now, that's what aids us all about. That's
what all these little brush fire wars all over the
world are all about. That's what's happening. That's why cancer
cures are suppressed. It is because they fully intend to
kill a minimum of two billion people by the year
two thousand. AIDS is an invention of man. It is

(39:09):
not a natural disease, and it has been implemented and
placed into the population as a population control. And when
they did it, they had the cure before they did it.
And when they've deemed that enough people have died or
been killed, they will say we have a cure for AIDS,
and everybody will be called to report to some place

(39:29):
to get an inoculation which is gonna do two things well,
and it's gonna stop AIDS in its tracks. And number two,
it's gonna implant the device which will be able to
be used to track each individual person and maybe even
to control those people. And that's what the pet implant
program is all about. It's not about finding lost pets.
They don't give a damn about pets, and they would

(39:50):
never put a satellite in orbit to find a lost pet.
But yet there's a satellite up there that they're using
to find pets that have men implanted with these devices.
They're testing this program on pets that's going to be
used in human beings. And in the Los Angeles Times
in nineteen eighty nine they ran an article that was
ten Forecasts for the coming decade. Was the title of

(40:12):
the article. I have a copy of it in my
research center. And number five, I believe it was number
five in those ten forecasts for the coming decade was
chemical or electronic implants to control individual behavior on a
twenty four hour basis unquote. So it's not hidden at all.

(40:34):
It's there for anybody who wants to look.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
That nobody's looking.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Nobody's looking. They believe, and I believe that they're right,
that the biggest danger to mankind right now is man himself. Population.
A study in nineteen fifty seven told them that by
nineteen ninety the world population would double in thirty three years.
You imagine that the world population of human beings doubled

(41:01):
in thirty three years, and they knew that it's an
exponential doubling throughout history. Every time it's doubled, the interval
has gotten shorter. So that was thirty three years. The
next doubling will take place in approximately twenty eight years.
The next one after that, approximately twenty four years. Can
you imagine if the world population doubles again in twenty

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eight years from nineteen ninety. In other words, in the
year twenty eighteen, the world population doubles, and we're having
problems with food supplies and timber and clean water and
clean air now, and then after that it doubles again
in another twenty four years. That's why they created AIDS,

(41:43):
because they didn't want to have to go around the
world and say you, you, and you up against the wall,
you've got to die today and shoot them. They did
it in a manner to where they could target what
they considered to be undesirable populations. And I want it
very clear that with them on this, they specifically targeted blacks, Hispanics,

(42:04):
and homosexuals for complete eradication, and AIDS is really going
through those populations and it's really doing a number that blacks, Hispanics,
and homosexual.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Theory has made news. I've heard that before and very
clear by the poblic saying oh, that's ridiculous, But you're
saying that, well, that may indeed be the case.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's not ridiculous. I actually saw this in documents and
the project name was Project Naomi. MK. Naomi was the
name of it. It was a CIA project. The aid
AIDS whatever causes AIDS, whatever that turns out to be
according to those documents, was developed at Fort Dietrich, Maryland
under a CIA project called mk NAOMI. It was financed

(42:50):
by ten million dollars for the Department the Army's biological
warfare programs. It was carried out as supervised by the CIA.
It out by scientists who work for the Special Operations
Division of the Department of Defense. And it's going. It's

(43:10):
doing its job.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And would you assume if age doesn't work, there's a
contingency plan for that even.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Well, I think that they have other things out there
working concurrently. One thing I've learned about these men is
they don't just do one thing in case the public
discovers what they're doing, our discovers that somebody's or whether
they know who's really doing it or not, and stops it.
What they have running is several concurrently running plans so

(43:36):
that if one or two fail, the other ones are
going to take care of the problem.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It sounds pretty hopeless, I mean, based on that scenario,
is there anything any any uprising or what?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, there is, but it requires that people wake up
requires that they really learn the truth instead of live
their life and fantasy live. You see, because nothing can
exist without the consent of the Unless they buy it,
it's not going to happen. And all of these plans
that lead to the public's ultimate acceptance of what they're

(44:10):
going to do, in fact, they're designed to make the
public ask for it. For instance, the burning of the
rainforest in Brazil. I know people who are just up
in armed stop this. We've got to stop the burning
of the rainforest, which is exactly what the burning of
the rainforest is designed to do. Because Brazil is a

(44:30):
sovereign nation, right, How can you tell a sovereign nation
to stop burning its own forest. You can't. What they're
asking for is control over a sovereign nation by a
world governing body who can then send troops a police
force to make Brazil stop burning the rainforest. And that's

(44:51):
why they started the burning of the rainforest in the
first place. You see, they went down there and they
built a road across the Amazon jungle that went nowhere.
There was no reason for this road to be built.
There was no place to go. It doesn't go from
here to a city. On the other side. It just
goes across the jungle and ends. And they built this

(45:14):
road on purpose because they knew that most of the
people in Brazil are so dirt poor that they would
see this road as the answer to their prayers, free land,
free timber, a way to support their family, a way
to become wealthy, or at least more wealthy than they were,
which was no wealthy. And that's exactly what happened. Millions

(45:39):
of people headed out down this road and staked out
some land and burned the forest and tried to grow crops,
and they found that rainforest is no good for growing crops.
It'll grow one crop and then you gotta go burn
more trees and plant another crop because the soil is poor.
And that's what's happening, and that's why the forest being burned.

(46:00):
And it was done intentionally to create the scream of
stop burning the rainforest, so that then they could offer
the solution. The solution is a world governing body that
can then order and enforce that order of Brazil to stop.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
So the green movement worldwide as a manipulation. Manipulation, Yes,
now it's been it's been proposed time and again too.
That big businesses behind things like this, and that would
present represent a capitalist approach. But what you're saying is
we're heading toward a socialist approach. Based on the scenario, you.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Have to understand the difference between capitalism, socialism, communism, what
all of these things really mean. You have to understand
that what the difference is between right wing and left
wing people. They use these phrases all the time and
they don't even know what these things mean. And it's
just incredible to me to hear a socialist calling someone

(46:59):
else a Nazi, because Nazi means national socialism. So here's
a socialist calling a right wing guy a Nazi when
he what he should be calling the right wing guy
is anarchist. People in the right what no control. They're
really anarchists.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
So they would in it in theory then, or in
fact be in opposition to this ultimate movement, yes, whereas
in appearance they would be the ones behind it.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Well, when you have a misunderstanding what the terms mean, yes, okay,
right wing on the far right, there's total anarchy. They
don't want anybody controlling anything that they do, and they
believe that people are responsible enough that the world can
exist without government. Okay, are the very minimal government that
it would take uh to. On the far left, on

(47:49):
the other hand, they believe that the government should be
in total control and should be uh supply man with
all of his.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Needs, creating a whole society. That's uh right.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
A republic is somewhere in the middle. It's governance by laws.
Laws are decided by representatives who are elected by the people,
and according to the theory, the representatives will do what is
right whether they get elected or not. Because it's not
really a democracy. A democracy is far left. People don't understand.

(48:24):
We don't live in a democracy. This country is not
a democracy. It is a republic. A democracy is ruled
by the mob. The mob always votes themselves every kind
of benefit that they can vote themselves, and whenever you
do that, it means large, tremendously overpowering government in control.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
They vote themselves into dependency.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
That's it. They vote themselves into a dictatorship is what
they do, where they lose all of the benefits that
they pretended to vote themselves into in the first place.
And democracies are extremely dangerous to minorities because if the
majority of people don't like you taking a vote that
they kill you, and you know that's it. Democracies are dangerous.

(49:09):
Democracies are socialists. Democracies are communism. It's what communism is.
The definition of communism is everybody doing according to their
talents and receiving according to their need, and it doesn't work.
They already know it doesn't work. Men, by his inherent nature,

(49:32):
is greedy, so those at the top always end up
having everything and those at the bottom end up having nothing.
In communism, socialism is different. Socialism usually ends up in
a dictatorship, in a very controlling, dictatorial government which even
owns the people that it governs, so that those who

(49:55):
live in fear of not having are provided for what
they need, and in turn they worshiped this oppressive government.
Socialists are children who went out into the world, took
a look around and said I can't handle it, and
went home to Daddy. Okay, Daddy protect me, Daddy feed me,
Daddy owed me your car, Daddy took me in at night.

(50:17):
Socialists are scared little children who are irresponsible, can't stand
on their own two feet, and need Daddy to take
care of them. Okay, okay, But what happens when you
go home to daddy, and Daddy does all these things
for you tell.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Me, well, you never leave it a home you have
not got no reason to. In other words, if you're
being provided for in that way.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
You're being provided for. But what does it mean. Doesn't
it mean that you have to do what Daddy tells
you to do? True, doesn't mean you have to be
in when Daddy tells you to be in. Doesn't it
mean that you can't drive the car to the next
town if Daddy tells you you can't. Doesn't it mean
that if Daddy tells you to take out the trash,
you better take out the trash. Are you beginning to

(50:59):
understand the concept when you ask for favors from Daddy,
you have to give up freedom in return. So socialism
always leads to repression of liberty, freedom, equality, all of
those things fly out the window. So that you can
have free health care, so that you can have a

(51:21):
place to live, but you don't have to pay the rent,
so that you can have food given to you by
the state. And that's where we're headed right in this country.
Right now, we're almost totally socialist, and now people are
screaming for a national health care policy. Right health care insurance.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Now, the other aspect once again i'd like to go into,
is the anarchy or the right wing, which we just
into that similar.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Anarchists believe that they can be responsible, that they won't
hurt other people, okay, that your freedom never ends until
it begins to infringe upon someone else's freedom, and that
no one should have any control over that. That there
should be no speed limits on the highways. The problem
is that, again, just like on the socialist side, you

(52:12):
have people over here that are human, and human condition
means that ultimately somebody is not going to be responsible,
that they're going to drive too fast when they've had
too much to drink, and they're going to kill innocent people.
The answer is a balance. You know. The law of
the universe says this. It's a law physics really that

(52:35):
everybody can understand it. For every action there is an
equal but opposite reaction. There can be no good unless
there is evil. There can be no man without a woman.
You understand the.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Concept based on that. The theory of a utopia here
on Earth is corrupt right away. Absolutely, it goes against
the laws of physics.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
It goes against the law of the universe that there
must be two opposing forces all the time in every instance,
because that's what makes the universe work, That's what makes
everything work. What we need to do is stop trying
go well to hear and establish some utopia of freedoms.
Are wall to hear, to establish some repression of freedom,

(53:24):
so that we make sure that we got something on
the table to eat, and strike a balance between the
two that works, and stop withholding information. What makes it
difficult for anyone to succeed or live are for us
to really come together and have peace in this world.
Are all of these people who think that they are

(53:46):
the guardians of the secrets of the ages and have
only them have truly mature minds, so only them are
worthy of knowing the secrets and the real science and
the real metaphysics and all of these things. So they
repress it and they keep it secret. So the rest
of us live out our lives and we don't know
the truth of what life is really all about. Therefore

(54:08):
we're always stumbling over each other and getting in each
other's way and doing the things that we profess that
we don't want to do, simply because we don't have
access to the truth. If we had access to the truth. Now,
I got to tell you this. Back when these men
first began establishing these societies, these mystery schools and suppressing information,

(54:30):
the common man was uneducated, did not have an intellect
capable of understanding these secrets. They were really beasts of
burden for the most part, and they've lived their whole
life in toil. But things are not that way now.
Most people have a good education, they have a good mind.

(54:51):
They're capable of understanding if they're talked and if they're
taught correctly. And I think it's time to teach people
what the truth is and quit hiding it so that
we can come together as one humanity and make a
balance and live together in a balance. You know, evil's
never gonna disappear, neither is good, but we can maintain

(55:15):
a balance and life can be good instead of swinging
back and this tremendous battle between these two opposing radical
extreme ends of the scale, that's gotta stop. I've never
understood why somebody would join together in this band of

(55:35):
people and call himself a Democrat and not vote for
anybody else if they're not a Democrat. That concept is
beyond my understanding and Republicans and libertarians and populous and
communists and socialists in this and that, Blacks and whites
and the Indians, and there are so many sects and
groups and segments, and we're so fragmented that getting together

(55:57):
is gonna really be difficult. M But we've got to
do it because if we don't wake up and do
it ourselves, these men who meet in secret and plot
the manipulations are going to do it whether we want
it or not. And they're going to do it at
the point of a gun. And they're going to take
away everybody's freedom because they don't consider us.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Responsible, capable of having that freedom.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Are capable or even of using our intellect. So they'll
put us in shackles and control us and force us
to be peaceful. That's what the plan is, and that's
what the New World Orders all about.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Well, we've run from UFOs right to this, and at
first a person might watch this and say, wow, this
is really strange, but where we've come down to based
on that beginning is quite quite in the realm of
common sense.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Well, it's not strange at all. It's what they've been
trained all their life that if they hear these buzzwords.
They're listening to some looney idiot talk and it has
no substance to it. Once they get into it, then
begin to understand that everything is interconnected. It's leading us
toward one end of one world totalitarian socialist government, and

(57:12):
begin to see it coming to pass all around them
in their life and understand that nothing happens by accident,
it's been planned for many years. Then they begin to
understand that UFOs play a big role in this, because
if they're real, it's the most significant thing that's ever
happened in the history of man, and maybe the driving

(57:34):
force behind locking up the human race. Because how could
a UFO land in a place like Macon, Georgia and
somebody who doesn't look like us get up, get out,
walk down the street. And I'm not trying to insult
the citizens of the state of Georgia. What if they
landed in New Jersey and got out and walked down

(57:56):
the street in a society that kills people because they
sit in the wrong seat on a bus.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Now that they don't know about.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Us, of course they would. They probably already know about you.
If you've been exposing the truth on your show.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Well you're saying that our our our U our phone
lines would be bugged.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
At this point, I don't know. I doubt it. They
don't really uh consider you to be a threat unless
you develop a large political following. Okay, So unless you
have a large political following, you're not considered to be
a threat to them, not yet, kin, cause they figure
that the people are too stupid to listen to you anyway,

(58:35):
and generally they're right.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
So we're in the process of educating people.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Then there's the best thing. Education is sixty or seventy
percent of the battle. Yeah, cause people automatically begin to
do the right things once they learn what the truth is.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Kact Yeah, no, old no, Okay, I got it right ready, Okay,
go ahead. Let's go back into the Kennedy situation here. Now,
the Warren Commission was highly publicized, all the things that
went on there. I was, I was showing a videotape
just yesterday of was it a Zepbruder film? Okay, and

(59:23):
it clearly showed to me that a number of things,
one in which that the film was obviously tampered with, absolutely,
but not tampered with to the point where I couldn't
tell that the driver of the limousine was pulling a
gun or what appeared to look like a gun around
his shoulder and shooting President Kennedy in the head that

(59:43):
caused his head to snap back. Did the Warren Commission
see this? It seems so.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
The Warren Commission never looked at the Zuppruiter film ever,
so they never saw it. Now. I don't know who
testified during the Warren Commission about the Zapruter film, if
anybody did, but I do know that later at the
investigations of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, that a

(01:00:08):
man was specifically hired as an expert witness to view
the Zepruter film and tell the committee what it showed.
And that man's name is Robert Grodin. He wrote High Treason,
which is a best seller out now, on the Kennedy assassination,
and he was one of the many so called technical
experts for the filming making a Oliver Stones film called JFK.

(01:00:32):
He's also a fake, a fraud, a trader, a liar.
He was hired by the House Slect Committee on Assassinations
based upon his resume, which says very simply that he
is the world's foremost number one photo analyst, which is
a lie. He never went to school in photography. He

(01:00:55):
never was a photographer. He never was a photo analyst.
And I get a tell you right now that the
world's number one foremost photo analysts are to all come
out of the military intelligence community who are trained to
interpret high altitude photography and learn what really is there.
He never served in that capacity either. He looked at

(01:01:19):
the Zebruder film and he told Congress, he told the
committee in testimony. He testified both in written and inverbal form,
that William Greer never took his hands off the steering wheel.
And that's a blatant lie. I mean, anybody can look
at the Zabruder film and see that William Greer takes
his hands off the steering wheel. And even if you
couldn't see it, if they cut out the frames, you

(01:01:40):
can still see that William Greer. But this word, the
seat of the car is turned all the way around
with his right side against the rear cushion of the
front seat, looking directly at President Kennedy in this attitude,
and it is a physical impossibility to have both hands
on the wheel in that attitude. So we know that

(01:02:01):
Robert grudin. Number one was not who he said he was,
had no expertise to be doing the job that he
was hired to do. Number two, even if he had
no expertise, it is plainly visible in the film that
William Greer could not possibly have had both hands on
the wheel. So we know that Robert grub didn't make
a mistake. We know that he intentionally lied to deceive
Congress and thus the American people. And what's real strange

(01:02:24):
about it is he's been very active in the research community,
supposedly exposing the assassination of President Kennedy. But if you
look what he does, he is constantly coming up with
new theories, supposed new evidence, most of which is fake.
And in his book Now High Trees, and he makes
a statement that the Kennedy was probably hit from the

(01:02:47):
front and the rear. At the same time, his job
is to keep the American people confused and propagate the
lie that our government is no good, that it's our
government who assassinated John F. Kennedy. And I'm here to
tell you it wasn't our government. It was the secret
society's known as the Illuminati, the Knights, Templar, the Freemasons

(01:03:08):
who assassinated John F. Kennedy, And the proof is right
there for anybody who wants to see it. William Greer
was a Freemason number one. He was the secret Service
agent who you shot Kennedy number two. In Dally Plaza,
there's an oblisk, a monument commemorating the location of the
first Masonic temple in the state of Texas. Dally Plaza

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is on a thirty third parallel, which is one of
the sacred numbers in Freemasonry. He was assassinated in a
manner that has assured the greatest flow of blood, which
is called blood atonement, which was practiced by Freemasonry in
the early days and supposedly is not practiced now, but
a reality is the method of choice of execution, trial

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and execution by Freemasons. The Builderberg Group that orders his
execution is the Supreme World Counts of Freemasonry and consists
of thirty nine permanent members, which is three times thirteen,
which is also the exact number of men who signed
the Constitution thirty nine. You see, our forefathers were also

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members of this secret group, and this country was founded
to bring about the new world order and it's all
in the Great Seal of the United States, which was
in that the design of the Great Seal was made
law in seventeen eighty two. It's just absolutely incredible that
the American people don't understand that groups of men don't

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get together and meet in secret and take blood oaths
which say that they can be cut open and their
heart ripped out of their body and their intestines scattered
over the floor. If they talk about the secrets, that's
not a benevolent fraternity. That's a dangerous group of men.
For awn, men don't play games like that. They're serious.

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It's the secret societies who are who are bringing about
the new World order. They're the ones who killed John F. Kennedy.
There's nothing wrong with our Constitution or our Bill of Rights,
but Americans are going to be convinced that our government sucks,
and that's what all this stuff is all about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
So at the beginning, the founders of this country actually
did create what was a I guess you could say,
an above board, good, good government basis for a go Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yes, they gave us every tool to ensure the success.
But it was an experiment. You see, because man had
always claimed that he could rule himself, but had never
been allowed to do that. Even in ancient Rome they
call it a democracy, and the man didn't rule himself.
He was ruled by other people who made man think
he was ruling himself. But the truth was a Roman

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centurion could march down the street and grab anybody they
wanted to and make you do whatever they wanted to,
or just execute you on the spot, And that was
the truth of the matter. Those weren't free people. In
the history of the world, there never been a people
who truly free or who truly ruled themselves until the
United States of America was created as a republic by

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which we rule ourselves through electric representatives, whom we sent
to the state House, either in the States or to
Congress to do it. They also gave us every tool
by which we would destroy ourselves if we weren't capable
of doing it. The United States and France, the Revolution

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in this country and the Revolution in France, were created
to bring about governments which would function as the antithesis
to the kings and queens of the world and cause
them to topple off their thrones. It also gave man
a chance to prove once and for all, whether he
could rule himself or not, and if he could find

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that would be the New World Order. If he couldn't,
they built the tools into the Constitution to allow them
to take it away from us. And those tools are
the creation of the federal democracy within the boundaries of Washington, DC,
and the right to contract, through which, if we were irresponsible,

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we would contract to receive rights from that federal democracy
and thus in return give up our freedom. And that's
exactly what's happening. It's exactly what we've done. John F.
Kennedy was short circuiting the New World Order. He had
ordered the printing of constitutional money United States notes, which

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would have destroyed the Federal Reserve, which is not an
agency of the United States Government. It's a private corporation
owned and operated by the world bankers, controlled by the illuminati,
and its purpose was to destroy the middle class in
this country and thus our economy, and throw us at

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the mercy of the New World Order.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And we see this unfolding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Now, you see it unfolding. Now you're seeing an I
predicted this well in advance. You are seeing the destruction
of the economy of the United States. And it will continue.
It will not get better downhill from here on now
unless we nationalize the Federal Reserve, lock up the criminals
who own it, cancel the debt, which will then bankrupt

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the illuminati, which is exactly what we ought to do.
Print constitutional money which cannot be usurped, which cannot lead
to our destruction, and go back to what we're supposed
to do, and quit contracting for benefits. We're escaping from
the laws of nature, and there's a terrible consequence for

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that terrible consequence. We have to function within the laws
of nature. You can't contract for somebody else to keep
you alive. You have to be responsible within your life
to keep yourself alive. And if you can't do it,
then you have to die. That's the law nature, you see.

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Kennedy also did a lot of other things. I mean,
he was a believer in the Bible. These men who
are bringing about the New World Orders don't believe in
the God of the Bible. They believe in the God
of Light, Lucifer, the Angel of Light, who was flung
down to the earth and became the Lord of the world.
That's their god. That's why everything they do is goes

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against what people know to be the right thing to do.
They believe that man was held prisoner by a vindictive,
cruel god named Jehovah in the Garden of Eden, and
that Lucifer, through his agent Satan, set man free from
the bonds of ignorance to which he was chained to

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the Garden of Eden, and thus brought the gift of
intellect wisdom to man. And thus is the true benevolent God,
with his intellect and his wisdom and his knowledge, will
create technology which will elevate man to the position of God.
And all this is allegorical. Don't take the story literally,

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you see, because it's all allegorical. They believe that intellect,
reason is the light, is the true God, is what
makes man God. And I'm not going to debate the
right or wrongness of that, because who the hell knows.

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But I can tell you that they pervert whatever it
is that might be divine about their philosophy by becoming
what they profess.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
To destroy destroy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
And so, in their zeal to bring about the new
world order, they destroyed the political will of the nation
when they assassinated John F. Kennedy, which has furthered their
goals because it made a lot of people feel so
helpless that God, if they can kill the president, who
am I? You know, what can I do? I'm just

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one lonely helpless person. So they quit voting, they abdicated
their power, and of course, through agents like Robert Grodin
and many others, Oliver Stone, they're being convinced that our
government sucks, that our government is the problem, that the
Constitution doesn't work, but the Bill of Rights aren't real.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
We're playing right into their hands.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
In other words, we're playing right into their hands because
there's nothing wrong with the constitution. Are the Bill of rights?
Are our government? You see, it's been infiltrated and from within.
They are eating at the heart of this nation like
a cancer, this secret society. They are destroying it, they
are subverting it. Our constitution has not been allowed to

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work since nineteen forty five and maybe even earlier, and
they have been working behind the scenes to bring about
a one world to atalitarian socialist government with the Communist
Manifesto as its platform through the United Nations, which was
created by this nation from an older organization called the

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League of Nations, which was the original foundation, and at
the highest levels of our government, the Constitution's already been scrapped,
and they are working under the aegeus of the UN
Participation Act in the United Nations Charter, which says what
which says that there are no rights. There are only

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what you what you call privileges, and privileges can be
granted or taken away at will by the state.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Quite frightening scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
It's very frightening scenario. And people better wake up to
the fact that unless they wake up and do something
about it now, there's only going to be one alternative,
and that's either take up arm, restore the Constitution, and
the blood will run in the streets of America are
reached down and put the shackles around your own feet
and march off into slavery peacefully. It's not gonna be

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easy the coming years. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Historically this may or may not relate, but UH at
least a moderate will. UH. Contemporary world history does not
include the the UH. The stories of Atlantis and Limuria
then go pre date. How does that history and why
was that suppressed? For why is it still being suppressed?

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How might that affect what we are understanding is going
on today or is it related?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Well, I'm not sure. If if a place called Atlantis
or Lemuria ever existed or didn't exist. I don't really know,
but I do know that the story that is told
about the civilizations that lived there something that we should
listen to, because this whole scene may have played itself
out before on this earth. And if you understand the

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theory which I believe has been accepted as fact now
continental Drift, there may have been an Atlantis and a
Lubria which had tremendously developed technologies and societies, and the
same scenario that we're playing out now in this great

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stage called the world may have played itself out over
and over again in the past for millennium. In my
investigation of the mystery schools, the secret societies that are
bringing all this about, that really control everything behind the scenes,

(01:14:48):
I found that this is all about religion, and it's
all about a recurring theme that is penetrated is at
the heart of every reig religion in the world, and
that is a creator or a creatress who has a
son that is sacrificed and then is resurrected and saves

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the world or saves humanity. It seems to be an
archetype it that is that is within us and so
that you don't go flipping out watching this tape. I'm
a Christian. I believe in the the the teachings of
Jesus Christ, even though it may turn out that he
may have never lived, that the scene, it doesn't matter
when you read his words, and you can go back

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through history and find these are the same words that
were spoken by every savior that there ever was. Are
the most beautiful, most profound, most most affecting words that
have ever been spoken on the face of this earth.
And when I get down and almost get to a
point of hopelessness, I just go read the Sermon of
the Mount and I come back up again, Cause in

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the end, it's not gonna matter whether Jesus ever lived
or didn't live. The story is real, and it's within
all of us, and it brings us to something within
ourselves that it's good. But these men don't look at that.

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They believe that the end justifies the means, that these
stories are just stories, and that the real meaning behind
it all is that man can transcend as animal state
through the realization of intellect and the overcoming of all
of his emotions and feelings and morals, guilt, All of

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these things and I just can't go along with that,
because I believe it's our emotions that tell us when
we're doing wrong. We feel it within ourself, and a
person without that capacity to feel when they're doing wrong
becomes a sociopath, which is someone without a conscience who

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really believes that the end justifies the means, and therefore
has no pangs of conscience nor no reluctance to murder
someone who gets in their way. And it's extremely dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
None of these people recognize the continuity of life. In
other words, you have told me earlier that they're after
physical immortality.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
They believe that through their technology, man will become God.
With the power of reason to technology, man will himself
become God. They will engineer just like Hitler wanted to do,
the super race who will live forever, And the concept
is the same, and the men behind it are the
same as Hitler was. When they killed John F. Kennedy.

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It shows you what kind of men they are, because
they would not stop to kill anyone who gets in
their way and have never stopped at it. Their goal,
literally to bring about the New World Order will be
to kill approximate two billion people before the year two
thousand aids is one method of doing this. There'll be
many more. As they solidify their control, everyone will be

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given a choice. They'll be presented with a new World religion.
They'll be told to renounce Christ, renounce Buddha, renounce Muhammad,
join the New World Order, join the New World religion.
If they refuse, they'll be executed, very simple, and it
won't bother them a bit. In fact, according to their belief,
they believe they'll be helping these people, and in reality

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they will because those people will transcend this physical state
while they're prisoned here, living forever. I feel sorry for them,
because those of us who will eventually die will transcend
the pain and the suffering that goes along with this world.
And they're so egotistical that they preserve whatever they do

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so that the diligent can find out what kind of
men these men really are. For instance, the A Kennedy assassination.
I've been showing the film for five years that shows
exactly who did it. I'll show you exactly where Oswald
is in the film. He wasn't even on the sixth floor.
He was standing in the doorway of the book depository
building watching the motorcave go by, and it's it's just

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it's it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
At the same time you said they would have everybody
renounce religion, have they as well been using it as
a tool for their means.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
If you're Christian, you'll be required to renounce Christ and
join the New World religion. I remember I told you before,
no matter what your religion is or what you think,
they are following the scenario in the Book of Revelations
to a te right down to the last little bit.
If you want to know what's going to happen in
the future, if we don't wake up and through the
power of those see not one drop of blood ever

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has to be spilled, and no one has to ever
put any chains on their legs or their arths ever,
if people just wake up and exercise what was given
to us in our constitution, the power of the vote.
While we still have that power, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
You say, there is still a possibility for like one
individual watching this take to actually make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
You better believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
How would that be?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
So? Well? Number one, learn what the truth really is,
get away from the fantasy that you've been living. Educate
other people, those you know, your family, Once that begins
to happen, it spreads. And then if the people decide
that they don't want what they have in store for
us plan, just through the power of the vote, they

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can make this country in the world whatever they want
it to be, whatever they want it to be, And
there are no limits on that except to understand that
you can never make everything all right and you can
never make everything all bad. Both must exist, and we
must maintain a balance, and we must become responsible. If

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each individual on this earth learn to walk in a
bine state of grace, responsible for themselves, their family, their city,
their state, to country, and for the world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Into the laws of nature and to the laws of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Nature, and actively participate in solving the problems of yourself,
your family, your city, your state, your country, and the world.
There could never be a group of men meeting behind
closed doors in secret that could ever control anybody. But
by abdicating responsibility, by not walking in that divine state

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of grace, makes possible anyone meeting behind closed doors to
bring about the world that they want. And the world
that they want may not be the world that you want,
or that I want, or that these people watching might want.

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If you don't participate. You can't complain. If you don't
help cook the meal, you got no right to bitch
about it. You got to sit down and eat what's
put on your plate. If you don't like that, then
you should have been in the kitchen helping to prepare
the meal, helping to plant it, helping to prepare it,

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helping to serve it. If you want to sit on
your butt in the living room while somebody else prepares
the meal for you and decides what it's going to be,
this puts it on the table. It's too late to
say that's not what you wanted to eat. It's too
late to say it's not cooked the way you wanted
it to cook.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Well, that's very simple understand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And that's right. You got to eat it because you
have to eat to live. And I think that anybody
can understand the meaning behind that little story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Okay, let's take a step back to the Kennedy thing. Now,
this is all about the kid, Well, yeah it is.
It is just specifically about Once again, I want to
bring up the film as well. Another thing that came
to my mind when I viewed it is that the
two secret servicemen, the driver and the person sitting next
to them in the front, regardless of what they claim happened,

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obviously did not operate in the way that you were
trained as a secret serviceman to protect the president. Shouldn't
they have just driven that car right out of there
and the other guy should have done something to protect
or look for who's shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
It just didn't seem to make any sense. How would
the Warren Commission not They didn't see the film, So
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
If they didn't see the film by design, because if
they saw the film, they'd have to be responsible for
the decision that they made that Lee Harvey Oswald was
alone assassin. Okay, So I think they didn't see the
film on purpose because they didn't want to have to
be responsible for saying the driver did it. You know,
they didn't want to make that decision. And in a

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letter that Lyndon Johnson wrote to the Warren Commission, he
specifically said, in the letter, you must you must quickly
identify Lee Harvey Oswald as acting alone with no conspiracy,
so that and can get back to business.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Was Lyndon Johnson acting on behalf of the secret Society
or he had.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
To know all about it and approve of it because
he was going to be the new president, and the
new president would be in charge of the investigation.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
How high of a government official do you have to
be before your briefed of this? You know that the
total of all the things that are going on the
reality behind.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Them, well, you have to understand that nobody exists on
a high level in government who's opposed to the New
World Order. Nobody. Our government has literally been infiltrated, and
there's a cancer within our government destroying and eating it,
nibbling away at it, hacking off its limbs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
And you said this started in nineteen forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Nineteen forty five was when the overt destruction began to occur,
when Truman signed the UN Participation Act in the United
Nations Treaty. Actually began long before that, when these secret
societies began to infiltrate the government and appoint their members
to important posts. Infiltration is easy. If one gets in,

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he can then appoint and hire others to replace people
who are not members below him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
So now we've had over fifty almost fifty years of
this going on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
At least, I believe that it started back probably nineteen
thirteen nineteen seventeen, when the Federal Reserve Act was passed,
when the Council of Foreign Relations became a reality in
this country, and you can, by diligent research and study,
you can see when it happened, where it happened, who

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did it, and how it was done. It's imperi when
they say there's no conspiracy. I mean, we talk about
a conspiracy. It started out as a conspiracy. But when
they say today there's no conspiracy, that's not a lie.
It's the truth. They're doing it right out in the open,
right under our noses, and we're too stupid to know
it to see it. So it's not a conspiracy now

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today at all. That's right out in the open. They
even publish their plans. I mean here Carter appointed the
big new Brazinski as the National Security Advisor, who just
wrote a book before he was appointed, declaring himself a Marxist.
I mean, you read that book. This man believes in Marxism.

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This man is a socialist. Not only a socialist, he's
an international socialist. He's a globalist. His goal stated in
his book, to destroy the sovereignty of nations and bring
about a one world. Marxist government.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Now, the Carter administration was one extreme, and then we
came into the Reagan administration. Yet they changed, not they changed.
What you're saying is that no matter what the political leanings,
they seemed to be playing the same game.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
As long as you're playing their game, it doesn't matter
who you vote for, who you put in office. They
all belong to the other side. They're the pockets of
the illuminati. When you quit electing professional politicians, when you
quit electing the guy who looks nice on television because
he speaks good and he looks like the guy you

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wanted to marry or something like that, you're playing right
into their hands. You know, they've made it so impossible
for another Abraham Lincoln to get elected to the office
of president. That's a wonder that we even have a
chance at all. We need to send people to Congress

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and to government who are going to clean house. Kick
all the members of secret societies out of the bureaucracy,
lock them up, try them for treason because they are traders.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
So one thing that may help is term limitations.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
We must have term limitations, and it must be only
one term. And forget all this nonsense that anybody goes
to Washington, don't know what's happening. They don't know what's happening,
simply because they haven't taken the time as citizens to
understand how our government works. They ever go to Washington.
You see, it should be a process that starts in infancy,
it works its way up, and everybody should be taking
part in the government.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Now, if someone came in to office with this kind
of knowledge and with this kind of intent to really
push these people out, would they not be eliminated immediately?

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Not if they have the people behind them. Because what
the people would do and one fell swoop in one election,
would elect people who never served in government before, kick
the incumbents out, send citizens to Washington. And here's the
way it has to be done. You know right now,
you don't even pay your congressman. You know who pays

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your congressman, the federal democracy of the District of Columbia.
The federal government pays your congressman, who's supposed to be
representing your state and you the federal government is a
foreign country to your state. Why should he represent you?
But he goes, he moves to Washington, d C. He

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maintains a residence here, but he doesn't live here, and
as long as you're re electing, he continues to live
in Washington, d C. Forever if you keep re electing him.
So they lose all touch with what's back here. They're
paid by a foreign government, the federal government. They're not
paid by the sovereign state of Georgia or by you.

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They have to be paid by you, and they have
to live here. They can't move to Washington, d C.
They go to Washington, D C. For one term, okay,
one term only. When that term's up, they have to
come back. And you don't pay them exorbitant funds. You
pay them just enough to live uncomfortably while they're there.
No fancy, giant cocktail parties, none of this crap. And

(01:29:45):
you take care of their family. See, they don't take
their family either. That's the other clue. They leave their
family here where they live. You, the people of Georgia,
take care of their family and their business or their
farm or whatever it is they have while they're gone.
You think they have a vested interest in representing you,
They sure would under those conditions. But under the conditions

(01:30:07):
they had they go under. Now they have no interest
whatsoever in taking care of you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Now, let's look at the current they're taking care of themselves.
The current crop of presidential candidates. Is there anybody even
running that represents something that we're talking about here?

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
You know, all of them are new world peoples? Sung
Us in his book, even everything that he's written touts
the new world order, all of it write for Songuss literature.
They're gonna see new world order, new world order, new
world or new world order. Clinton, the governor of Georgia,
was selected and by the builder Berg excuse me, the
government governor of Arkansas, was selected in the nineteen ninety

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one by the Builderberg group in bond and Bondern, Germany,
to be the new president of the United States. Remember
what happened to Gary Hart? What did he do? He
went out on a boat with a woman who wasn'y's
wife and he was destroyed. Look at Clinton, what's happened
to him? Nothing? The press is on his side, the
helping the guy. You know why, because he was chosen

(01:31:07):
by the people who owned the press to be the
next president of the United States. Now, I don't know
if he will be or not. That's up to the
American people. But if they get their way, he will
be Bush. Bush is one of the most heinous criminals
that's ever walked on the face of the earth. Bush
is the man who's been a CIA agent since his

(01:31:27):
college days. He's a member of the Skull and Bones,
the Russell Trust. He was initiated in a in a
casket with a ribbon tied around his genitalia, which symbolizes
that he's a priest in the Temple of isis a pagan.
This guy, this man is a member of the mystery schools. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
He has the outward appearance of a good Christian, church
going Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Now they do whatever they have to to be approved
by the people, but in secret they're not at all.
This is a man who practices pagan religious ritual magic.
Doesn't matter what you think of all these things. I'm
just telling you this is what he does in secret.

(01:32:10):
He is the man who, when he was chief executive officer,
when he was president of the Offshore Division of Zapata Oil,
organized and began the first large scale drug smuggling operations
into this country. George Bush is the one responsible for
the drugs on the streets and the war against drugs
is not a war against drugs it's a war against
the Bill of Rights. And we've already lost the Fourth

(01:32:31):
Amendment in this war, that's true, and we're gonna lose
everything else. You watch on It amazes me. People watch
on Saturday Night.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Cops, Top Cops, Tough Cops.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Nine one one, all of these stories that are glorifying
the police state, and they're falling right into the manipulation
as they watch police with no search warrant, with no
court order, break down people's door, tear out their walls,
rip open their mattresses, all in the name of the

(01:33:06):
war on drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
Pretty sneaky.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
It's pretty sneaky, all right. You see him stop people
in the streets and the guy's got four hundred dollars
in his pocket. They don't print press any charges, They
didn't even have any reasonable suspicion to stop the person
in search them. And what do they do. They take
their money and they don't give it back. And America's
watching this, and the stupid idiots, Yes, you stupid idiots.

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You sit there and watch it, not realizing that when
you take away that man's freedom, you've also taken away
your own, you see, because they can do the same
thing to you. Just because you talk away that they
don't like you talking, or because you wear red shoes
and they don't like red shoes, they can do the
same thing to you. And under the new law, without

(01:33:52):
a court order, without a search warrant, they can break
down your door, they can rip open your mattresses, your couches,
your walls, they can trash your house all the name
of the war on drugs. And let's say they don't
like the color of your shoes. All they have to
do is drop the little pouch of cocaine in your

(01:34:12):
living room behind your couch and find it and say, aha,
you're a drug dealer. What happens? Then now they can
confiscate your house, all your possessions, all your property, all
your bank accounts, all your cars, boats, vacation cottages, whatever
you have, and they can auction it off within twenty
four hours without ever even pressing charges against you, without

(01:34:37):
a cord order, without due process, without just con compensation.
And there's not a damn thing that you can do
about it, not a damn.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Thing at least right now, at least right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
And the reason you can't do a damn thing about
it is because you're the one who brought it about
through your stupidity. You're mentally crippled. You're operating from a
position of ignorance, apathy, abdication, irresponsibility, and we're losing our country,
our freedoms, everything.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Now, these these are strong accusations of the American public.
What do you hope to accomplish by angering the very
audience that you want to watch and listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
You Go prove me wrong, Go make me the idiot.
In so doing, you're gonna find out what the truth is,
and maybe you'll wake her at up. And if you do,
maybe we can save our country. Because I don't really
care at this point whether you get mad at me
or not. My country's disappearing, my freedom's are disappearing. My

(01:35:40):
daughter's gonna live as a slave in New World Order
if you people don't wake up and help me. So
if I had a two by four, literally, I would
smack you upside the head with it. I don't care
if you get mad at me. It's beyond that state.
You know, I'm willing to put my life on the line.
Why would I care if you get mad? You know,

(01:36:04):
people say, well, don't you feel threatened, don't you feel
like your life is in danger? Are you kidding? You're
the people who sent your sons and daughters to fight
an illegal, immoral, unjustified war in the Middle East, and
that didn't bother you a bit that they might have
got killed over there, and you're worried that I might
get hurt or killed right here, really defending my country,

(01:36:28):
really fighting in the defense of the constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Right you brought up the person Gulf War. That's something
that's still on a lot of people's minds based on
what you're saying, sud the reason for.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
That war, they should feel really guilty, They should feel
really bad about that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
I mean, what about a Saddam Hussein that everyone seems
to agree is, you know, the evil man here that
we had the right to go in and punish, destroy
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Well, it's funny that the man who purported to want
to destroy Sodom Hussein was the man who really built
Sodom Hussein when he was in the Central Intelligence Agency.
We have been building up Saddam Hussein's arsenal. His technology
comes from us in the Soviet Union. We built him
up to create that war. We did it for a purpose,

(01:37:12):
and the purpose was, look at this if George Bush
knew what he was doing, how come he didn't know
what he was doing. Here's what he said, We've got
to send troops to the Middle East because we can't
afford to pay twenty six dollars a barrel for oil.
That's on tape. Next he comes out and he says, no,
it's not about the price of oil. It's because Saddam

(01:37:34):
Hussein's not gonna stop at Kuwait. He's gonna go into
Saudi Arabia. And those are our friends, our buddies, so
we gotta go defend Saudi Arabia. And then James Baker
says in a press conference, Nope, it's not about Saudi Arabia.
It's not about forty six dollars a barrel for oil.
It's about jobs, folks. We're gonna get you a job,
and to do it, we're willing to kill your sons

(01:37:55):
and daughters. Yes, sir, We'll send him off to get
killed so that you can have a job, prosperity. That's
what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Well, what was the actual scenario if we hadn't gone in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Well, see, that's not the end of it. Yeah. Then
George Bush comes out and says, whoa, the White House
is flooded for telegrams. They don't want their sons and
daughters to get killed for a job. It's not about jobs,
it's about naked aggression. Yes, sir, there's a little Hitler
over there called Saddam who's saying we're going to go
destroy him because the world doesn't need another Hitler. Never

(01:38:26):
Mind Pinochet and Chili. It was another Hitler. Never mind
all the other Hitler's in the world. Was that, never
mind Tianaman Square.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Well then, you know, then people would say, well, the
American government's not interested in that because money is not
in you know, it's the oil here. We're talking about money,
So you're saying it's not even that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
No, they've been planning this war for years. In fact,
Arko Press wrote a book about it. The name of
the book is Rapid Deployment Forces. It was published in
nineteen eighty five. It names Kuwait as the country. It
talks about Operation Bright Star, where they've been practicing the
war every year since the early eighties, sending troops. Are
they practicing the war liberating Kuwait? It's even named in

(01:39:07):
the book. The whole thing was spelled out years ago.
What it was all about was to establish the new
world order. You see, because for the first time in
the history of the world, it's established the legal international president.
But the United Nations could pass a resolution and send
its police force to enforce that resolution, and that the

(01:39:30):
member nations would have to pay for that action. And
George Bush said it very clearly, but nobody was listening
when he said, no longer will any nation stand against
a world united. And with that action he established the
legal foundation in international law that the United Nations is

(01:39:53):
now legally and overtly the one world government, and that
the United States, its military forces, and the other forces
that were sent by other countries were established as the
one world police force under the United Nations. Have you
seen the new Air Force uniforms, Yet nowhere on them
does it say United States are US. They are United

(01:40:16):
Nations uniforms. Go look at them.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
What role in the Middle East again, does Israel play
in this?

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Israel was created as the instrument to bring about the
battle of Armageddon and the fulfillment of prophecy, a war
that will be so terrible where nuclear weapons will be used,
so that the American citizens and the other people in
the world will get down on their knees and beg
for no more war. And what is the answer to that?
They're going to be told the only way we can
guarantee no more war is if we destroy the sovereignty

(01:40:47):
of nations and we come together as one humanity in
a one world government. Right now, I'm telling you, unless
the American people wake up and stop it, starting in
about nineteen ninety six, the Battle of Armageddon will become
a reality. Not because two nations got mad at each
other and decided to fight. And that's why Saddam Hussein

(01:41:08):
was not destroyed. He will be the instrument that will
bring that to pass.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Right, Yeah, they did not go in and do that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Saddam Hussein will be portrayed as the Antichrist. Babylon is
in Iraq. Read the Book of Revelations, whether you believe
in the book or not, read it because the who
are bringing this about are using it as their script.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Well, the UN did indeed charge or Israel as a
sovereign nation. They were the ones who created this state.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
That's correct. It was really created by Great Britain in
the United States, with the United States being the major.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Major Okay, and the Jewish people were then being manipulated
into believing it was for some other reason.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
That's correct. They've always been manipulated. How I get people
who still come to me all the time and say, Bill,
you're all wrong. It's the Jews. The Jews are subverting
the world. Man, It's not the Jews, it's not the Catholics,
it's not the Blacks. It's these men who belong to
the ancient mystery schools who meet in secret decide the
fate of the world. And they belong to all different

(01:42:18):
races and all different nationalities and all different religions. To
the public point of view, but in secret, it's a
different story.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
How about the European Community Here seems, based on your theory,
another group of sovereign nations coming together to form one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
The European Community. The EEC was created by the Central
Intelligence Agency working through a lodge in Italy called the
P two Lodge. Propaganda two's the name of it, which
is the intelligence arm of the Vatican, and Prince Barnard,
who is the leader of the secret World Council. The

(01:42:59):
control these secret societies are will called the Bilderberg Group.
And that's the truth of the manner.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
M and during its creation, they just threw out Margaret Thatcher.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
She was really opposing this, Yes she was, and that's
why she got ousted. Okay, so did the shob Iran,
So did Marcos. Anyone who opposes it gets ousted. That
wasn't an overthrow of Marcos by the people in the Philippines.
It was organized, instigated, and carried out by agents of

(01:43:35):
the Central Intelligence Agency in the KGB. The overthrow of
the shob of Iran. Our intelligence community is trying to
tell us they didn't know anything about it, they didn't
know what was happening. Bullshit. They organized it, they instigated it.
They are the ones who caused it to come to pants.

(01:43:55):
You see, because we didn't have a National security agency
or Central Intelligence agency before the UN Participation Act was signed,
and these organizations were created to bring about the one
world government of the New World Order, and it had
to be done in a manner that the people would
not know that it was being done. And the only
way they could do that was hide it behind the

(01:44:16):
veil of national security. And the Cold War was a
manipulation maintained to bleed the people of tax dollars to
fund the creation of the police force of the New
World Order, which is the army, navy, and air force
and marines of the United States and the Soviet Union.
And the people didn't rise up in the Soviet Union

(01:44:38):
and overthrow communism. It came from the top down because
it had to be done. There has to be a
bringing to the same level of all the peoples of
the world were approximately the same political viewpoints, so there's
not big disparity in order to be able to justify
the merger of all these countries together.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Well, who now is ruling the forces of the former
sc the Union? You have yelsin in now as Gorbachok
went supposedly went down, but we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Sure about that. Well, let me tell you this from
the beginning, there was never any war between the United
States and the Soviet Union. It was created by those
at the top to fund the New World Order and
the New World Order's police force. At the highest levels
of all countries. They all belong to the same club,

(01:45:29):
and we the people, sit back and we watch this
grand drama which is being played out for our benefit,
not theirs. It wasn't for us, they wouldn't even have
to do any of this. But you say, they just
can't come out and destroy all of us because they
need slaves. They need people to make their shoes and
make their cars and mine the ore. They need worker bees.

(01:45:54):
And that's what we are in the new world order.
We will be the worker bees, the slaves.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
So they Morwellian view of the vision of the future
wasn't too far off based on this scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
George Orwell was just like me. He was a low
level member of British intelligence who was appointed to a
position high enough where he saw the same documents that
I saw, and he tried to warn the world, just
like I'm trying to warn the world, Only he wasn't
willing to take the risk that I'm willing to take.
So he wrote it in a book called nineteen eighty

(01:46:24):
four and spelled out exactly what's coming as a warning
to the people of the world as a work of fiction.
But you notice that that work of fiction really stirred
people up because they knew that it wasn't fiction in
their heart of hearts. Everyone who's read that book knows

(01:46:46):
that it's coming, right, it's a possibility most people won't
recognize it overtly or publicly, because then if they recognize it.
They have to be responsible to do something about it.
And that's what every one of you have been resisting
all your life, is being responsible to do something about it,
to get involved. That's why you'll walk away from a

(01:47:11):
girl being raped on the street by a getting of
thugs rather than go and try to help them. And
I'm not talking to all of you. I know there's
some of you out there just like me, but most
of you are just exactly what I've just described. Most
people are no better than animals who do not have

(01:47:32):
intelligence because they don't use their intelligence. And to these
men who control things behind the seeds, M, you are
stakes on the table by choice and consent and will
always be ruled and manipulated and enslaved by people who
do use their brains. M.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
As long as we're debunking some myths, cause it's putting
pieces of this puzzle together. I think for a lot
of people that may be watching the hostage situation in
Iran that that got Carter out office, is this another
orchestration and if so, how does it fit into.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
The October surprise? Is no myth? There was a deal maid.
There was a deal made at the highest levels to
keep the hostages until after Reagan was elected. Do you
really believe that it was an accident, that it was
a coincidence that thirty minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn

(01:48:25):
in took his oath of office, the hostages were released.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Did they want Carter really that naive?

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Did they want Carter out?

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
Yes, they wan't Carter out. They wanted Carter out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
He wouldn't play there by the rules.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
I don't know why they want any out, but they
won any mount Carter was ineffective. They do not have
the support of all the American people. They need people
who can manipulate the American people so that they have
their support. My message is to you is don't support
anybody unless they're doing what we know to be right.
Don't believe them, don't fall for the manipulations. Double check
everything they say.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
And that means you can't rely on the media as
it is today either.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Oh, of course, not all the media in this country, Radio, television,
and print is all owned by five corporations. All of
these corporations that own the media are owned and controlled
and members the Council and Foreign Relations sit on the
Board of directors.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Can you name those five corporations?

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Is that uh not off the top of my head? Okay,
I could try, but I don't wanna take a chance
on being uh inaccurate. But you can trace that yourself. Okay.
Remember if you go down and you trace the ownership
of a station or a newspaper and you get to
a corporation, remember that somebody owns that corporation and is
usually another corporation. But when you when you trace the
interlocking of all these things, when you get to the top,

(01:49:46):
there's five. And all journalists know that there's some things
you don't write about and you don't talk about because
you'll lose your job. And that's where the control is,
and that's why they pay anchormen like Dan Rather two
million dollars a year because he doesn't question them. He

(01:50:08):
knows that if he goes against them, he's gonna lose
two million dollars a year. Do you think a man
that looks pretty and s sits in front of a
TV camera for the six o'hock news is worth two
million dollars a year? No way. I don't care how
long he works, and I don't care what he does.
There is no job worth two million dollars a year.

(01:50:30):
That's why they pay athletes these fantastic salaries. I was
listening to radio the other day. They just contracted to
pay one player on one team six million dollars a year.
Can you believe this? And why is that? It's the
Roman circus? What does the emperor do when the people
become restive and when the people are asking questions, and

(01:50:53):
when the people don't like the policies of the emperor,
he sends them to the circus. He creates a circus,
He builds a giant coliseum, and he begins to throw
the Christians to the lions. And he has great chariot
races and football games and basketball games, all to keep
the idiots preoccupied with things that don't mean anything in

(01:51:16):
the scheme of the entire world, so that they don't
have the time to learn what the truth is, so
they don't ever get smart enough to learn how they're
being manipulated, so they don't ever question the emperor. That's
why they pay a player on a football team or
a baseball team a million or two million or three

(01:51:38):
million dollars a year. It is the Roman circus. I
know men who don't know anything in the world except
who plays third base for the Mets, and they think
that's a great accomplishment. And they meet and pat each
other on the back and bond and go have cocktails
and talk about what this guy to play third base

(01:52:00):
for the Mets did in last night's game. Sad, It's
really sad.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Is there any room in in uh in a kind
of society where these manipulations are not taking in place
for this type of entertainment or any type of entertainment
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
If people understand that a game is a game, If
people understand that nobody, nobody, no matter what they do,
is worth paying two or three million dollars a year for.
People should be able to get rich if they want
to by the sweat of their individual labor, kay by
the way hound of doing something for the world, not

(01:52:44):
by taking people's minds away from the emperor. It's a game.
Football is a game. Football is a game. But let
me tell you something. When a hundred and fifty of
the most powerful men and women in the world can
meet in secret in modern body in Germany can plot

(01:53:05):
the fate of billions and nobody even cares about it.
But six football players go to lunch together, and it's
in the headlines across the country. You have a reflection
of the society in which that exists, and it is
a sick, sick society that it's doomed to self destruction.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
So based on that scenario, there's some truth into what
these men are looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Absolutely And that's what makes me so sick, is that
I'm trying to wake up of people who, on a
daily basis are proving the ones that I'm worrying them
about to be.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Right well, so that even though a minority, there are
people out there that you recognize are awake to this.
If they don't do something about it, they will lose
that ability to be free in that way, that's correct.
Whether they might think, well, I don't need to worry
about it because I know what I know and I'm fine,
that doesn't work that way. There's a connection here to everything.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
That is correct. That is absolutely correct. A nation of
people who are willing to send their sons and daughters
that they profess that they love to a foreign country
to die, and they used the excuse to themselves that
they're sending them off to defend our country, and they

(01:54:24):
know damn, well, that's a lot are doomed.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
M It's it's funny. There's a parable you said Ben
Franklin earlier was even a part of this, Yes, a
parable of Ben Franklin. I don't know if you're familiar
with it. He paid too much for the whistle. He
came up when he was a young boy. Are you
familiar with that parable? Where when he was a young boy,
he was given an allowance, and you know it, it

(01:54:51):
was a decent amount of allowance, and he was going
to the to the store to get a toy. You know.
He was very excited about that. And along the way
he met some boys who had this whistle, you know,
and he and he saw that, and he saw the
little boys blowing this whistle, and he thought, wow, the
greatest whistle. I this is the greatest toy. He really
wanted this thing. So without asking, he gave all his

(01:55:12):
money away, you know, to these boys for this whistle.
And he went home and and sure enough, he got
very bored with it, and he had no more money
to buy something that was really, you know, worthwhile to it.
Sure and so from that point on he had a
saying that said, you know, don't pay too much for
the whistle, and I think somehow that relates here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
He's also the one when the Constitutional Convention was finished,
when they when they wrote the constitution and signed it.
When he had been signed, he walked out the doors.
Someone outside, I forget who it was. I believe it
was a reporter for one of the newspapers in the
thirteen Colonies ask him. He said, what have you rot
Ben Ben looked at him and he said, a republic

(01:55:55):
if you can keep it. Mm hm. He knew he did,
mm hmm. And that's a good place to that's a
great ending. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Just the facts, mammy, mm hm

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