Episode 358: "True Israel" with Justin Elenbaas

In this episode, Justin joins us to discuss what true Israel is from a biblical perspective. 

If you'd like to reach out to Justin, his email is [e-mail]

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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s George Hobbs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
A guest with us today, is not a stranger to
the podcast. His name is Justin, formerly of Florida and
now Justin and his family are enjoying life in Michigan.
And we've had him on a few times and he
is very knowledgeable in biblical aspects. But today we're going
to talk about something a little bit different. And obviously

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we're going to touch on many ideals as we always do,
but today we're going to talk about true Israel. It's
something that he's passionate about. We've had some emails back
and forth, I guess over the last probably six months,
and we're finally able to get him scheduled as things
are settling in for him. And I think you're going
to find this a very informative and a very interesting topic.

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And as we were talking beforehand, justin some of the
these topics a lot of people find interesting until maybe
some people realize it changes their traditions or the way
they go about life.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, this is the question about true Israel is extremely
pertinent to our generation simply because of the fact there
is an actual physical fleshly carnal, Israel, temporal, whatever word
whatever you know asynonymous word you want to use on
the earth. That causes people to interpret the scriptures based

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upon their sight instead of by their faith and by
the knowledge and wisdom of men, instead of by the
understanding and the interpretation given by scriptures. And this is
extremely important because what's foundational to us is who is
Jesus Christ? And the simple answer when we talk about

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what is Israel is actually the wrong way to ask
the question, because when men go to scripture and we
ask the question like Pilot did, what is truth, we
are asking from the knowledge and wisdom and understanding of men,
because men are always looking for what. When God gives
the answer to the question, which is who is truth?
And the answer in John fourteen six is obviously I

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Am the truth. So Pilot, with his worldview paradigm always
centered on the carnal and the physical and the flesh,
is looking for what where we as men are always
to look for who. So the reason it's very important
to our generation today is it's always been important, but
it actually wasn't even a debated topic in the Early Church,

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which a lot of people don't realize that the early
Church leaders knew for a fact who true Israel is.
And I say that intentionally, it's not what Israel is.
It's truo because Israel the word Israel, which is the
name given unto Jacob by the Angel of the Lord.
Who is Israel, Who is Christ, Jesus our King, is
the one who wrestles with power. The one who wrestled

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with power is Christ. Christ is the true and faithful
Israel of God, not according to the flesh, but according
to the Spirit. And therefore all men throughout all time
who have ever from Adam to the last Man, from
Genesis one to Revelation twenty two, any individual throughout all

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time who has ever had faith in God is a
true Israelite and also a true Jew. And these are
designations that when we start to acknowledge this is going
to make enemies of the modern Christian Church and the
modern secular world, because the modern secular world has the
Israel that they want, and the modern secular world and

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Christianity has the Jews that they want, not the Israel
of God. As Glacians six fifteen teaches us, or the
true Jews, according to scriptures, as Romans two twenty eight
through twenty nine teaches us, the Lord has declared who
is a Jew, who is an Israelite? And the world
has given an alternative which is false. And so why

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is this important? Because the foundation of our faith is
based on who is Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ, as
First Corinthians one twenty four point thirty teaches us, is
the wisdom of God. It's not that wisdom is this
kind of abstract concept or idea that's up in our
minds that we can't really grasp or hang on to.

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Scripture defines wisdom as a person, the person of Christ, Jesus.
He is the wisdom of God. So it is important
then when Scripture tells us in Proverbs one seven that
the beginning of all knowledge is the fear of the Lord,

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but fools despise instruction, and then in Proverbs nine ten
tells us that the beginning of all wisdom is the
fear of the Lord, and knowledge of the Holy One
is insight. This is very pertinent because what the scripture
is telling me is I can't even begin to have
Jesus Christ, who is the knowledge and wisdom of God,

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as Colossians two two through five teaches us, I can't
even begin to have him unless I have the fear
of the Lord. And the fear of the Lord is
no longer rightly and correctly preached in modern Christianity today,
as Isaiah twenty nine, verse thirteen teaches us, that it's

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instead taught as a tradition of men, not as the
scripture teaches us, which means dread, like the actual concept
of dread. Instead, you get modern day Christianity, which will
try to tell you and its reverence, awe, worship. Now
these things do fall under the definition, but it also
means fear, terror, and truly abominable. Teaching will actually try

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to switch the word fear in the scripture to love.
They'll try to sit here. I've heard men on podcasts,
heard men on YouTube videos and standing at the pulpit
sitting here and saying is that the concept of the
fear of the Lord is just another way and saying
love the Lord. That's a godless lie. It's abominable, it's

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self destructive. And if we start falling into these things,
we get into this situation where I've been with men
who have straight up told me. I've had multiple men
tell me this, and it's very interesting because each one
of them told me I've been a Christian for forty years.
Another one told me I've been a Christian for forty
two years. For some reason, I don't know why. The
forty was in with both of these men, but when

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I took them to the scripture and engage them on
the fear of the Lord, they told me I've been
a Christian for forty years. The other one said for
forty two years. And they both stated and I have
never feared God. And one of them even went so
far as to say that you are preaching a lie
from the devil when you say to fear the Lord.
The other one said, why should I fear the Lord?

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He's my shepherd, And if I'm a sheep who's going astray, well,
the shepherd's just going to come out and break my
legs and drag me back. And I just looked at him,
and I just had this incredulous look on my face,
like you wouldn't fear someone who's going to track you
down and break your legs. I would be terrified of
somebody who's going to come and break my legs and

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drag me back. I mean, albeit for my good, but
there is an authority there and a power over me
that I should tremble at and again. So why then,
how then does the fear of the Lord be in
the beginning of all knowledge or wisdom? Tie in with
this lie that has been permeated both in the modern
Church and in the secular world, that Israel is instead

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this geographical location and on a map with borders that
can be mapped out, and has pocket cities and the
temple mounts, and it's the dirt that is holy. It's
this spot in the world that men are killing each
other over because it's the most holy land in all
the world. Why is it important that we truly understand

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that Israel is the believer who has submitted himself to
Jesus Christ as Lord. Because Jesus Christ is the Israel
of God, and therefore all who are in Him are
of Israel, and are Israelites in Him, from Adam to
the last man, anyone who came before Christ who believed

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in the salvation given through God, and anyone who came
after him. The modern Church tears this down by creating
replacement theology and dispensational theology and saying you have to
be in one of these two camps. Both of them
are godless lies. And we can get into that later.
How replacement theology is not true. Dispensational theology, he is
not true. What it is is all people who have

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ever been living by faith have always been Christians, have
always been Israelites, have always been Jews, according to the Spirit.
And what these lies are doing is they are taking
away the fear of God from modern Christians. Because modern

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Christians love to heap on ourselves all of the blessings
that the Old Testament he gives unto Israel through God.
The very simplest one of his Old Testament clarifies that
God is the savior of Israel. Well, if he is
my savior today, I should take note of this. He's
the savior of Israel, but he's also my savior today.

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So I will take, and I will adopt and graft
on to myself all of these blessings. But because the
modern Church doesn't want us to fear God, what they
won't teach us is to take also the curses that
were given unto Israel. Instead, they will say those no
longer belong to you, that was dispensational, only to Cardinal

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Israel that was dispensational onto those people, or replacement. We
have gained the gifts. But now these these no longer
excuse me, these curses no longer apply to us. And
yet Romans eleven twenty twenty through twenty three tells us
that we are to be mindful of the kindness and

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the severity of God always. I cannot hold to the
love of God without the fear of God, and I
cannot hold to the fear of God without the love
of God. I must find them both united in the
person of Jesus Christ. And if I don't believe that
the curses that belong to Israel apply unto me as well,

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all of the curses, all of the statements, all of
the commands given in Torah, all of you know the
five Books of Moses, where if you go through the
Book of Numbers, and the Lord says to me, Moses say,
under the people of Israel. If I don't recognize that
the Lord is speaking not only to the people that
were contemporary to Moses at that time, but also to
me who lives today because I am an Israelite, then

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I will not fear God, because what is there to fear?
If there is no curse, if there is no wrath,
if there is nothing that can separate me from the
love of God. Now, I don't get me wrong, Romans
eight teaches us nothing external can do this. And this
is where what you get is when you build this
lie that Jesus Christ is not the Israel of God,

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you just stack heresies on top of it over and
over again, because once you don't need to fear God,
you once saved, always saved. There's the black Hebrew Israelites,
there's the white Hebrew Israelites. There's all name name heresy
after heresy. They are all built on this solid foundation

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of denying who Jesus Christ, excuse me, not solid on
the shifting foundation of men denying who Christ is as Israel.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Amen, and you've really laid a great synopsis for what
we're going to be talking about. But before we get
into it, tell people, I don't want to assume everybody's
heard you on here before. For somebody who me listening
to you for the first time, what motivated you to
get into the book and what led you into the
journey with Israel? Because we know, the word Israel means

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one who strives with God. And then we'll talk about
the history, whether it's eighteen ninety seven the world's Zionist organization, Schofield, Darby,
And obviously I think the person behind it is Satan
himself to get people to believe that it's a geographical
type of environment. And who now, whether it's Baptists, most Baptists,
most Methodists. You look at the churches across America, you know,

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we should be asking the question for those people who
are living and within them borders, we should be encouraging
them to find Christ. There is just so much lost,
so much loss. What what's the word I'm looking for here?
Meaning theology, I guess is probably the correct word to

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understand the direction that the you know, the direction of
the quote unquote church here in the United States today.
But most foremost, what led you down this this uh,
this journey.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well yeah, let I'll answer that, but I want to
just go off of what you were saying to take
it to the practical, the practical use in our modern
day is you have because of this false understanding of Israel,
you have men standing divided against one another, murdering one another,

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in the name of fighting over a holy land, believing
that that holy land is is separate unto them each individually.
Where what scriptures tell us is it is those men
who are killing one another who are the holy land
of God, whether they be Palestinian or whether they be Israelite.

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According to the flesh, they're killing each other over dirt
and over a location. When God says, I have given
the earth unto you who are my dwelling, you who
are my Israel, I have given this land for your sake.
It is not that the dirt they are fighting over

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is important to God. It is the men who are
killing one another who are important to God. But we
are so twisted in our understanding. We are killing each
other over this dirt. We are bombing each other. We
are sitting here and we are looking at one another
and dividing in fellowship over do you support Palestine or
do you support Israel? Are you for Israel? My question

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to people when they ask me, or when they ask
me that is said, do you stand with Israel? And
I ask who is Israel? Because the answer to their
question without any sort of in depth discussion is yes,
I stand and I am for Jesus Christ, who is
the Israel of God. But if you are talking about,
am I standing on the side of a nation of

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men who are wrongly dividing the scriptures and who are
using it as a baseline to set themselves apart from others,
where God says he has no partiality, meaning the Palestinian
that they're attacking is just as important to them, or
excuse me, just as important to God as they are.
And the Israelite who the Palestinian is attacking, is just

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as important to God as one another. But we are
dividing and separating and hating one another over these false paradigms,
over this false tradition, and it's leading to men killing
each other in the name of a unholy lie. This
kingdom on earth is not the kingdom of God. Jesus

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Christ is the Kingdom of God. This is the basis.
And this so you asked, where did this all begin?
The fear of the Lord was something even before I
knew Christ. I used to be, you know, a nominal
Christian upbringing. My mom would take me to church here
and there. My grandpa was a pastor. If I would

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go to his house over the weekends, I would go
to church on Sunday, but I'd either sleep in the
pew or I'd stare at the floor. I would not
pay attention. And I was a huge fan of fantasy,
and I think we talked about this before on one
of the past podcasts. I would I loved the Book
of Revelation because it had dragons and monsters and the apocalypse,
the end of the world, you know, the destruction of all.

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I loved it because there was death, murder and destruction
in it, because my heart was twisted and corrupted, and
it had all the fantasy elements I wanted. And there
was something that I read which was fear the Lord
your God because he is righteous. That I remember when
I was secular, and I did not it did not

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really have a relationship with Christ, and it wasn't following him.
I was like, why should I fear God because he's righteous?
And I just kind of left it at that. I
was like, oh, that doesn't make any sense. Well, again,
there's the bagging of the question, why should I fear
God if he is righteous? The answer is very simple,
because I'm unrighteous. And I did not put two and

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two together on that until I grew older and until
the Lord started working in me and drawing me to
a knowledge of the truth and breaking down all of
the foundations I built up for myself where I wanted
to be my own God. I wanted to I wanted
to be the power in my own life, and I
was destroying myself. And then I started reading the Word

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only for the intent to argue with some of my
atheist friends about how there were misunderstanding the scripture. And
I started to see how the the word of the
Lord was true, how everything that he was speaking was
true and true, especially when it related unto me as
a man, where I had been building myself up in

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pride and ego and saying this is who I am.
I'm powerful, I'm strong, I'm my own God. I have
all of this knowledge, all this wisdom. Every Proverbs especially
was very revelatory because I was reading through Proverbs, and
Proverbs is a is a dichonomoist book that juxtaposes the
wicked versus the just, the unrighteous versus the unrighteous, the
godly versus the ungodly, And I was reading through this

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book the wise versus the fool, the slough versus the
one who takes action, and I kept reading through it,
and as I'm reading through it, I'm like, man, I'm
like doing a checklist of like all my marks are
on the side of the evil. I'm the one who's ungodly.
I'm the one who's unrighteous. I'm the one who's wicked.
I'm the one who's slowful. And I was like, this
isn't good. Something's wrong here. And the Lord through the revelation,

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especially in the Sermon on the Mount. I think it's
in Matthew five or six when he says, you've heard
it said that she'll not commit adultery. But I tell you,
anyone who has even looked on a woman with lust
has already committed adultery with her in his heart. And
that clicked and it was like a dam blowing up
in my head and all the water rushing out, no

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longer restrained. And I was like, that is true. Yep.
I know for a fact in application practical application to
my life for everything I was doing telling myself I'm
a good man. I've never cheated on the woman that
I'm with. I was cheating all the time I was
setting up and establishing a relationships with other women before

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I broke off with the previous woman I was with,
and then as soon as I would be tired of her,
I'd go off and move on to another one. But
I'd tell myself, oh, I broke up with her before
I cheated on her, before I slept with this other woman.
I was already cheating on her in my heart. I
had already destroyed what was previously built, the foundation I
had previously had to try and lay a new foundation relationship,
and therefore I was destroying what had come before. But

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I was lying to myself. I was deceiving myself. So
the more we went through this, the more I started.
I just started imbibing the scripture, eating it, taking it
in as the scripture says, to literally consume it like
excuse not literally spiritually consume the word, as though it
is food for my soul, because there is carnal food

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that feeds my flesh, and then there is the bread
of life, and the wine and the water which comes
all again, as John six teaches us, is Christ. And
I'm consuming this scripture. And then I go to Jeremiah seventeen.
We'll go there with you quick, because it was very
revelatory to me. Excuse me in the way that the

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Lord describes us. So it says this, starting in Jeremiah seventeen,
verse five, We're gonna go five through eight. It says,
this is what the Lord says. Cursed is the person
who trusts in man. He makes human flesh his strength,
and his heart turns from the Lord. He will be
like a juniper in the Araba. He cannot see when

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good comes, but dwells in the parts places in the wilderness,
in as salt land where no one lives. The person,
or excuse me, blessed is he who trusts in the Lord,
whose trust is the Lord who's excuse me, he will
be like a tree planted by water. It sends its

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roots out toward a stream. It doesn't fear heat when
heat comes, and its foliage remains green. It will not
worry in a year of drought or cease producing fruit.
That was the very first time that the Lord taught
me that not only is God the giver, he is

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also the gift. And then you go to Second Corinthians,
chapter one, verse nineteen through twenty, and it says that
all of God's promises are yes and amen in Jesus Christ.
And this foundationally flipped the paradigm in which I started
reading the scripture along with John six sixty three, when
the Lord says that he speaks to us in spirit,

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and it is the spirit who gives life, that all
of what he says to us is spiritual. The teaching
that he gives in Isaiah twenty eight, then how he
teaches Isaiah fifty four to thirteen that he is God
who is our teacher. Then go to go to and
go to the parable of the Solar throughout the Synoptic Gospels,
where he teaches us the very first lesson of how
to interpret the scriptures. And because the scriptures tell us

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that Christ spoke nothing to men that was not in parables,
which means if Christ, who is the Holy Spirit, who
is the author of all the scripture, every aspect of
scripture is spoken in parable, which is another way of
saying spoken with spiritual interpretation necessary, which First Corinthians chapter
two teaches us, but Second Corinthians gives us the understanding

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in in chapter one, verses nineteen through twenty, which tells
us that all of God's promises are yes and nay
men in Jesus Christ. So when I'm told that God
is going to give me the ability to trust him. Well,
not only is he going to give me the ability
to trust, the very trust he gives me is the
person of Christ. The very hope that he gives me
is Christ. The very faith that he gives me is Christ.

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The very land promise that he gives me is Christ.
The very city promise he gives me is Christ. The
kingdom promise is Christ. So whenever I have to define
something in scripture, is well, what if like men ask me, well,
what's the kingdom of God? The Kingdom of God is
Jesus Christ and all who dwell within him and in

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whom He dwells. And that can be okay? So I
make this claim. Can I make this claim and actually
uphold it per the scripture? Absolutely? We can go to
second Peter or is it first Peter. It's one of
the Peters. Let me check really quick. I always forget

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if it's first Peter one or first Peter two or sick, oh,
it's first Peter two. So if we go to first
Peter two, starting in verse four, I'll start in verse one.
It states, therefore rid yourselves of all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy,
and all slander. Like newborn infants, desire the pure milk

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of the Word, so that you may grow up into
your salvation. If you have tasted that, the Lord is
good as you come to him a living stone. So
again Christ here is being spiritually presented as a living stone.
And this is what Paul teaches us all throughout First
and Second Corinthians. Is that especially in First Corinthians nine

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versus nine, he says, we teach you spiritual things, and
he gives us the deuderonical husbandry law about not tethering
an oxen when it's plowing out the grain, and he
says to us, is God concerned about the the oxen? No,
this is written for your sake. And then again later
in either one Timothy one or Titus one, I can't remember,

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he says the same exact thing, and he applies it
with Christ's teachings from the Snoptic Gospel about those who
preach the gospel are deserving of their wages, because the
ox in that image, in that parable is us who
plow the field, which one Corinthians three nine tells us,
you men, I men are God's field and God's building.

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But what we do in our carnal understanding is we
read this about this heavenly Jerusalem. We read this about
this Israel, and we start applying it to what we
see with our eyes. We walk by We walk by
sight and not by faith, because that's what we've been taught. Well,
if the scriptures talking about Israel, it has to be
talking about this land mass in the Middle East. If

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it's talking about a heavenly Jerusalem, you're actually going to
see this golden brick building come out of the sky
on the clouds at some point in time because they
don't recognize that the scripture is telling you you are
the heavenly Jerusalem. If Christ dwells within you, the very
city that you are is just what Jeremiah chapter one

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tells you. I have made you a city. He gives
us this interpretation throughout all the scriptures. He's telling us
stop looking externally and start looking at what Christ is doing.
He's going to dwell in the heavenly Jerusalem. His throne
is in the heavenly Jerusalem. Ephesians chapter three, verse seventeen
tells me that Christ is dwelling in your heart. Tewod.

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Corinthians chapter six tells me that God will dwell in me.
So then when I'm reading all of this spiritual imagery
and revelation, I'm reading all these visions, it's baffling. I
know why it happens. I know why it happens, and
we can get to that if you want. It's because

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as Amos eight eleven tells us that there is a
famine that has come upon the entire world, not a
famine of food or of drink, but of hearing, of
hearing the word of the Lord. Yeah, exactly. Men are
reading the scriptures and misinterpreting it because, as Isaiah twenty
nine teaches us, they draw near to the Lord with
their mouth, or as other interpretations say, they flatter the

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Lord with their mouth, but their hearts are far from them,
and the commandment to fear God is taught to them
by men instead of God.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, and you hit it, You really hit the nail
on the head earlier Galatians three twenty eight. Whether Jew
or gentile, slave or free, you are all one in Christ.
And that is the only way I mean that is
and it's that's Paul's Epistle to the Galatians. So you
can't even argue old covenant stuff here. It's just it's
it's you know, and again I was all part of

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that before, kind of waking up and understanding the manipulation
of the church and how long of an effort it's been. Right,
we were all there. But right now, with all the
technology and everything after COVID, I start to get a
little frustrated to see, like, how can you not see
this intentional? And for me, right the reason I'm doing

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what I'm doing now locally is there's a huge amount
of the population who don't even understand what repentance means.
Right in the seventies, Billy Graham, one of the things
he did was if you say these matches and listen.
I'm not speaking for it was in Billy Graham's heart,
but there was this thing with the sinner's prayer where
you say these words and you're free to go back
to living your own way and God, God, I tell people,

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God's not a genie. You don't say words and then
you're you're free. Repentance. I've done entire podcasts and teachings
on just the word repentance and what it means and
to turn away from sin, and then you know, discipleship
goes hand in hand with that, and those are the
two keys that most of the churches have fallen away from.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And you know, and again I'm not here to disparage
anyone with you as well. And this isn't a study
on whether or not Billy Grammars say. But like when
you hear that, because if you continued reading. In Jeremiah seventeen,
the very next verse and verse nine tells us and
the heart is deceitful and wicked above all things who
can know it. But then it goes on to say
that I am the Lord who judges and studies the heart.

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And then the scriptures and the Synoptic Gospel Christ tells
us out of the abundance of the heart, the mouse speaks,
so bear fruit or exersusly. It's in the passage, in
the one of the passages. I think it's I just
read it yesterday. It was in Matthew. I think I'm
gonna butcher it. It might be Matthew twelve, where it says
bear fruit the good tree bears. Oh my gosh, ma'am

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out of the abundance the heart, the mouse speaks, the
good man out of the goodness stored up in this heart,
and the evil man out of the evil stored up
up in his heart. And then he says in Matthew seven,
you will know them by their fruit, the fruit of
what lips that either give praise an honor unto his name,
or lips and predicted praising honor unto men. This is

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this is what the modern church teaches. If you read,
if you listen to modern Christian songs, it's always I, I,
I you you you me me me. It's always individually based.
If you listen to modern sermons, it's always about like
what Christ is doing for you, what God has sees
in me? What Christ? It's all it's it's literally, it's

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what's his name in the matrix? Uh agent Smith? Agent Smith?
When he comes back and and I don't even know why
I'm going this, but it is when uh Neil looks
Atim and says you and his answer is me, me, me, me. Literally,
it's modern Christianity is all about me. Yeah, because it's

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anti Christ.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
It is Anticho. And it's funny. You could almost take
Kennedy's speech and twist it around. Right, don't ask what
God can do for you, but what can you do
for God? Right?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Exactly? And this is why again, this is so important
because when it comes to understanding that Israel is Jesus Christ,
that Jesus Christ is the Israel who satisfied and fulfilled
all of what Karnal Israel failed, just as it talks
about in the prophet Isaiah that there was an Israel
that was unfaithful, and then God was going to bring

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about in Israel that is faithful. That Israel is Jesus.
The Kingdom is Jesus Christ, and it is his scripture.
Why because all of scripture testifies of him and is
written by Him who is the Holy Spirit. So you
are not going to find anything in here that does
not pertain to Christ and who he is and who

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we are not. And this understanding takes us out of
this coveteous warfare that has overcome the world, with this
desire for more gain. That we are therefore killing what
is actually precious to God and murdering what is precious
to God for that which is not precious to Him.
And we're calling that which is common holy, in that

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which is in that which is holy common. We are
doing exactly what the scripture tells us not to do.
When we are looking at men and we are dividing
them into groups. The entire Book of Acts is about this, so,
I mean, there's so many everywhere in the scripture. All
the scripture testifies that the sojourner who enters into Israel

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and chooses to abide with Israel and live by the
law of God, not, of course, the law of Moses,
be mindful the law of God, which is law of liberty.
The law of the Spirit is Romans eight teaches us
is grafted into Israel, there is one law for them.
They are one nation. With them, they are they are
grafted into the tribes of Israel. They become a part

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of the people of Israel, regardless of their heritage. I've
had this discussion with so many men, including Hebrew Israelites,
and they literally I had one man try to go
to the Book of Ruth with me and debate to
me that it is only the bloodlines of isl that
are saved because of what God did for Mordecai to

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battle against Himen and excuse me, ask ast, excuse me,
you know how. I can't remember what his example was
from the Book of Ruth. I think it might have
been the Kinsman Redeemer, because he's our kinsman by our
blood and I looked at him. I'm like, the Book
of Ruth is literally about a gentile claiming to Naomi,
your God is my God. I'm going to go with

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you and live with you among your people, and being
grafted in by Boaz by marriage unto him. Yeah, and
being redeemed by him as a kinsman redeemer though she
has no actual bloodline relation to him. She was married
to a member of his family who passed. And then
she ends up in the bloodline of the Savior.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yep. And that amazing. And what people miss the most
about the Book of Ruth is the ultimate redemption story
because you know, the very first sentence of Ruth is
in the time of the Judges, and that sets how
awful it was the you know, the Israel at that
time was the lowest morale. Every time there was a
new judge, that got more and more debouchcher.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
What was right in their eyes of their own heart.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, exactly, And then this story comes about. It's a
lot of people miss that, but I'll tell you what.
You know, it's interesting how everything is twisted and perverted.
And again this is coming from a guy who served
twenty four years in the army, but going back to
your sermon on the mouth the Beatitudes, Matthew five nine
says that blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be
called children of God. And what what does the men

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in suits tell us we are going to bring peace
through war? And we buy off on all of these things, right,
We're we're bringing we're free in Iraq. And I'm standing
there watching, you know, Moab five hundred pound drops being
bombs being dropped on cities, and it's it's I don't
know if it's we're so easily manipulated over all these

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years that Satan is able to control our minds through
the television in the radio and TV, or we just
want to be comfortable with our actions, so we just
go along with it.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
We go along with it because it again puts us
at the center stage. It's about us, because again you
praise me to God, you went there, and the peacemakers
will be called the children of God. Well, Ephesians two
fourteen tells us that he himself, Christ, Jesus, is our peace.
It's and if you go so, if I'm being a peacemaker,

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what then is that actually me doing it means I
am birthing Christ into other men through the seed of
the Word of God which comes out of my mouth
and into them and spiritually then because by the overshadowing
of the Holy Spirit, just as it did with Mary.
Because Mary is the Mary is the feminine word. Excuse me,

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the feminine etymology for that in the Hebrew is beloved
is the feminine version of the word beloved, just as
David is the male Hebrew version of the word beloved.
Mary is an image of the Church. She's not a
co redemntric. She's not a queen of Heaven or any
of this godless Catholic lie in heresy. She is an
image of the Church. And how Christ Jesus is born

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in among us when the speed, when the seed of
the Word of God is planted into our hearts and
then springs up in the soil, because remember we are
God's field. When that tree of life, which is Christ,
springs up within our hearts and dwells within us, and
the fruit it is born, the fruit of the Spirit
that is born. If you go to the if you

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go to Revelation chapter twenty one or twenty two, where
it where it shows the tree of Life springing up
on either side of the throne, out of which the
river dwells, and all the fruit on either side. You
can find that in Zechariah, I believe it is. Don't
quote me, Oh no, it's Ezekiel. It's an Ezekiel where
the image of the of the New Temple. It's where

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the new Temple is you can see. But's it's spoken
of in the New Temple. Of many trees instead of
one tree tree, because again many trees bearing fruit, which
is all of us, as you quoted earlier, there is
no longer free or slave, male or female, but all
are one in Christ Jesus, because all of these trees
are united in one tree, which is Christ, who dwells
within you, sitting upon the throne of the heart, entering

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into the mind of a Christian and casting the devil
out of heaven, as Revelation twelve says, because he is
the true Michael. The Michael is who is It's always
Michael and Gabriel. I always get mixed up. Is one
is the man of God, the other one is who
is like God. I think Michael is who is like God,

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But Christ is Michael. And I want to be very
clear when I say this, that doesn't mean that Michael
or Christ is a created being, like so many heresies
go with he are the first and greatest of all
of God's creation. What I mean is the title Michael
is a pseudonym to hide Jesus Christ from those who
are not seeking him in the scripture, but for those

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who are looking for him will find him, because the
glory that is given unto Michael in the scripture should
only ever pertain to Christ, should only ever be given
to the Prince of princes, King of kings, and Lord
of lords, and God of God's He who is greatest
among all, who is Christ. And so sorry, I kind
of got off on a tangent there, because this is

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this is so that, it's all these heresies are weaved,
weave together to try and pull men away all again
from They don't recognize the truth that Christ, Jesus is Israel.
And that's why when he gives the name to Jacob,
and Jacob's response to him is what is your name?
He looks at him incredulously and says, why do you

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ask my name? He just gave him his name. When
the Angel is standing there with him, after having wrestled
with him, he gives him his name. He sets his
name upon him, which praise be to God. Because in
Revelation chapter two, when he's talking to the churches, he
gives us his name Aim. He who is Israel, he

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who is one with us will he will dwell in us,
and we in him, and he in the Father, and
the Father in him, we will all be. They will
be one, as you and I are one. Father. He
is not separating us from him, He's drawing us into him.
Men divide, Christ unites in himself. And again, praise God

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that you went there when you spoke truth. That peacemakers
will be the children of God, because we are those
who are to speak peace unto others. And it says
in the Book of James at Sorry, let me find
it in chapter three, starting verse thirteen, it says, this,

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who among you is wise and understanding by his good conduct,
he should show his work. His works are done in
the gentleness that comes from wisdom. Again, wisdom is not
the smarts and the understanding of justin Ellenbass. First Corinthians
chapter one, verse twenty four and thirty tells us that

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Jesus Christ is the wisdom of God. So what it's
saying here in scripture is that gentleness that comes from Christ.
But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in
your heart, don't boast and deny the truth. Again, who
is the truth is? It's repeatedly saying, don't deny Christ.
You get the wisdom of God is Jesus Christ. Find him.

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Such wisdom who is Christ does not come down or
excuse me. This is speaking of the earthly wisdom. Such
wisdom does not come down from above, but is earthly
on spiritual demonic. For where there is envy and selfish ambition,
there is disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom
who is Christ from above is first pure than peace loving, gentle, compliant,

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full of mercy and good fruits, on wavering without pretense,
and the fruit of righteousness. This is sown in peace.
Jesus two fourteen again tells us that he himself is
our peace. So all this is sown in Jesus Christ
by those who cultivate peace, or as other translations say,
are peacemakers, Which will then take us to Ephesians chapter two,

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starting in verse eleven. Everyone loves verses eight through nine
because it's an incredible passage that we are the handiwork
of God, who are saved by grace through faith. But
it doesn't stop there, it tells us in verse eleven.
So then remember it that one time you were gentiles
according to the flesh called the uncircumcised by those called

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the circumcised, which is done in the flesh by human hands.
So again Paul is creating a distinction between spiritual and
fleshy or carnal, depending on your translation, which way they
say at temporal, fleshly, carnal worldly, there's the spiritual circumcision,
and there's the and there is the fleshly circumcision. And

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he says, at that time you were without Christ, excluded
from the citizenship of Israel and foreigners to the covenants
of promise, without hope, and without God in the world.
But now in Christ Jesus, you who were far away,
have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For

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he is our Peace, who made both groups one and
tore down the dividing wall of hostility. In his flesh,
he made of no effect the law consisting of commands
and expressed in regulations, so that he might create in
himself one new man from two, resulting in peace He
did this so that he might reconcile both to God

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in one body. Through the cross by which he put
the hostility to death. He came and proclaimed the good
news of peace to you who were far away, and
peace to those who were near. For through him we
both have access us in one spirit to the Father.
And then here's where it gets. Remember how it described
us before. It says, at that time you were without Christ,

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excluded from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the
covenants of promise, without hoping, without God in the world.
Now then it goes into Paul by the Holy sphere,
goes into all that Christ did to draw us near
to him. We who were far away he has brought
in to what So then you are no longer foreigners

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and strangers, yep, but fellow citizens, citizens of what Israel yep,
fedo citizens, and or excuse me, citizens with the saints
and members of God's household. Built on the foundation of
the apostles and the prophets. Again, there is no other found.

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First corinthis chapter three, verse eleven tells us there is
no other foundation that can be laid than that which
is laid, which is Christ, Jesus, the foundation of all
the prophets and all the apostles is Christ, and all
and the if they're themselves, are the foundation. Why because
all of them testify of Him many voices. It's just
like when you see in Revelation chapter one, when the

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Holy Spirit which is being seen by John gives when
he speaks, and he utters with a voice like many waters,
the voice of many nations, the voice of many people,
because all of them are one united in Him. When
you and I, George, speak the scripture, when we speak
the testimony of the Holy Spirit, the same Spirit that
is in me speaks through you. And the same Christ

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who dwells within me, dwells within you. And we speak
as one voice, united in unison of our testimony of
Him in what he has done. And He has drawn
us all together in one built on the foundation of
the apostles and the prophets. With Christ. Jesus himself is
the cornerstone. In him, the whole building being put together

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grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him,
you are all also being built together for God's dwelling
in the Spirit. Go again to Revelation. Where does God
dwell in the bride Jerusalem? It comes down from heaven,
who is the bride of Jesus Christ. Epheesians five tells
us we are, so we need to stop looking externally

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and start listening to our Lord in the way that
he teaches us in John six sixty three, when he
says to you, or when he says to us, let
me go there. So I don't butcher it because again
I don't want to speak as a man, but I
want to let the Lord be the one that speaks.
And this is after he teaches us the hardest lesson
in all the scripture. We know this is the hardest

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and lesson all the scripture. And it's not unintentional that
John six sixty six, six sixty six tells us that
many who followed him stopped following him, which John and
first John later tells us Anti Christ were among us
and went out from us. This is a study we
can do at another time if you ever want. But
that's that's just again, this is the hardest lesson for

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men to learn in scripture.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
That's interesting. I'm not sure I remember even that flag
coming up John six to sixty six, that particular verse
of what it means. That's a good case.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh, well, if you listen in Revelation again, when it
talks about the number of the beast, it says, this
takes a mind of wisdom.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yep, it does.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
First off, first, Corinthians chapter two tells us that we
have two verse sixteen tells us we have the mind
of Christ, and it tells us that Christ. Or in
one Corinthians chapter one, verse twenty four thirty tells us
that Christ is wisdom. So if we need to interpret
the number of the beast, it is it is figuratively
spiritually telling us it takes the mind of Jesus Christ

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to understand that.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Amen, not to get too deep into eschatology, but do
you think that the revelation that John the Others letter
to Smart and Philadelphia two ninety three nine, do you
think that is directly, you know, pointing at whether it's
you know, May nineteen forty eight, or the physical you know,
building of Israel, or is it something else?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Now, the physical revelation is entirely a vision of what
happens to a Christian when, or to in man when
he comes to a knowledge of the faith in Jesus Christ,
the work that the Lord does in him. When you
see all the bold judgments. When you see when you
see the seals being broken, and you see all this,
This is what happens internally to a man, because the

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man himself is the new heavens and the new Earth
that God is creating. He has created the new heavens
by casting the enemy out. When in Revelation twelve, when
Michael and his angels, which Revelation twelve is very important
to this as well, when it comes to understanding Israel,
we'll get there in a little bit. But all of
Revelation takes place within the heart, in the mind of

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a man, every single one of us. It is It
is the discussion of God's creation, of the new being,
of the image of Christ being born in men. Because again,
what is the fulfillment the full end In Revelation twenty
one and twenty two, when the New Jerusalem comes down,
we can't look at this externally, We have to look
at it internally. The New Jerusalem is the new mind

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of Christ dwelling in a man. This is why men
when they try to do the actual physical measurements of
the city of the Heavenly Jerusalem, it's just this big
brick of gold, this big block of gold. It doesn't
make sense. They don't have the right proportions. It's the
same thing when they try to do the measurement of
the temple in Ezekiel. They can always get the foundation,

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but they can't get the height. Because again it's pointing
not to a physical structure in the world, but the
work that is being done in a Christian to change
him to faith in Jesus Christ, and so that Christ
may dwell in him. And that it's Galatians chapter two
teaches us it is no longer I who live, but Christ,

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Jesus who lives in me. That is what it is.
It's supposed to be the formation of Christ within a man.
Irenaeus himself when he talks about the unjust judge being
an image of Antichrist, he talks about the unjust judge
with the widow being an image of carnal Israel, and

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how the unjust judge is actually the perpetrator of bringing
about a cardinal Israel. Because here's the thing, what is
the enemy always trying to do. He is trying to deceive,
and he is trying to mimic God and be like God,
to be like the most High. So if Christ is
the Israel of God. He has to give men another Israel,

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another Israel to focus on, and Jews, according to the flesh,
who deny Christ, deny his deity, deny that he is
God with the Father, that he is God. The word
need there Israel, and so he gave it back to them.
You need to only look at the star of David,

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the star of rem fans. And again, which David. It's
not the David that we all think. It is a
star of David Rockefeller is it's his? It's that David.
It's not the David who is the beloved, because Christ,
who is the true David, who is the true Jacob,
is the true Israel. But in order to deceive men

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whose minds are set on carnal things, he has to
give them a cardinal Israel. Yep. Indeed, and it stands
in opposition to everything that Christ says.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Isn't it interesting? I don't know how often you think
about this. I think about it probably more than I should.
But you have one book and you have, you know,
hundreds of religions and thousands of denominations. Isn't it just
mind blowing how people can look at one book and
one verse and just have hundreds of different ideals about it.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well, the scripture tells us that divisions must come among
us in order that the true faith may be understood.
And again, when this goes back, and I think we
talked about this before, when we don't listen to the
scripture which tells us in Isaiah twenty eight, verse twenty
six that a man can be taught by God and

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know that God is his teacher, which is an incredible promise.
And then in Isaiah fifty four thirteen it says prophetically
that in the latter days your children shall be taught
by the Lord capital lrd Tetragrammatan Hiahweh, and great will
be their peace. Again going back to the teaching from
Ephesians two fourteen. And then Christ in John three point

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forty five quotes this and he says, it is written
in the prophets that God will be their teacher, and
everyone who learns from the Father comes to me. And
then in John thirteen thirteen he says to us, you
call me Lord and teacher, and you say so rightly
because I am he is teaching us. Who is he saying?

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I am the prophesied God who teaches you. And when
you listen to my teaching, you can be certain that
God is your teacher. It should not surprise us that
men have innumerable Sorry, I'm flipping to Ecclesiastes really quick,

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Ecclesiastes twelve. It should not surprise us that men have
innumerable interpretations, because the world is full of interpretations in
regards to the scripture. But if there is such a
thing as truth, and truth by definition is exclusive, then
that truth should have only one correct interpretation, right absolutely,

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And if there is one who claims to be the
truth John fourteen six, I am the Truth, then it
would it would lead us to believe that his interpretation
is the right.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, And that's I try to walk, to walk through
the minefield of denominations because somebody had said months ago
that non denomination is is the baseline for Christianity. Everybody
else who has a denomination has an issue with something.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Well, yeah, because if the taking of a name and
calling ourselves a Christian is taking on the name of Christ,
taking on the title of Christ, we are followers of
the Messiah. If I if I call myself a Lutheran,
who's my teacher, Martin Luther? Martin Luther? If I call
myself a Calvinist, who's my teacher? Can Calvin on and
on and on, name whoever it is, if I whatever

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denomination I take, which man? So I feel like I'm
I want to go to certain places, but the Lord
is leading us, and I don't want to go against this.
And this is directly addressed again in First Corinthians three
is very First Corinthians itself is incredible, all the scriptures incredible.
But yeah, understanding, yep, But Paul again, Paul, the Holy

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Spirit through Paul tells us in one Corinthians three, starting
in verse one, says, for my part, brothers and sisters,
I was not able to speak to you as spiritual people.
Let me actually go back just a little bit, because
again this is Paul, by the Spirit is teaching us
how to interpret the scriptures correctly, which is spiritually. We
must understand what's being written spiritually. For he says, I

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will go back to verse ten of chapter two. It says,
now God has revealed these things to us by the spirit,
since the spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
For who knows a person's thought except his spirit within him.
In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of
God except the Spirit of God. Now we have not
received the spirit of the world, but the spirit who

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comes from God. So that we may understand what has
been freely given to us by God. We also speak
these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but
in those taught by the spirit, explaining spiritual things to
spiritual people. But the person without the spirit does not

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receive what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness
to him. He is not able to understand it, since
it is evaluated spiritually. The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything.
And yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone, for
who has known the Lord's mind that he may instruct him?

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But we have the mind of Christ. That is incredible promise,
an incredible blessing that we have the mind of Jesus Christ,
if he is our teacher, the one who teaches us.
And then chapter three continues this for my part, brothers
and sisters, I was not able to speak to you
as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as

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babies in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not
solid food, since you were not yet ready for it.
In fact, you are still not ready because you are
still worldly. For since there is envy and strife among you,
are you not worldly and behaving like mere humans? For
whenever someone says I belong to Paul, another I belong

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to Apollos? Are you not acting like mere humans? If
I'm going to sit here and say I'm a Lutheran,
I'm a Calvinist, am I not behaving like a human?
What does that mean? I'm dividing myself from others instead
of uniting Christ, who is God unites men in himself.
All are one in Christ Jesus. There is no distinction,

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there is no partiality with God. What then is Apollos?
What is Paul? This is verse five. They are servants
through whom you believed, and each has the role the
Lord has given. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave
the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor
the one who waters is anything, but only God who
gives the growth. Now, he who plants and he who

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waters are one, and each will receive his own reward
according to his own labor. For we are God's co workers.
You are God's field, God's building. This is why we
have to do as Paul, in the wisdom that is
given to him in Christ says in Second Corinthians chapter four,

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verse five, when he says, we do not preach to
you ourselves, but we preach to you Christ and Him crucified.
If I start, if I take this, because here's the thing,
you and I both stated that the modern Christian Church
does not believe that Jesus Christ is the israel God.
They don't preach it, they don't believe it, they don't
listen to it, they shut their ears to it, and

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they war against it. If I come and I start saying,
look at the new teaching that I have. This is
justinian I'm gonna call this Justinianism. Follow me. I will
lead you to Christ. I'm puffing myself up and I
am boasting and making it about me. But this is
not new to me. Who am I to boast is
if I have not received what has been given to me.

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If I have this wisdom, it is given to me.
Because in Ecclesiastes chapter twelve, it says this in verse
eleven or in verse ten, the teacher sought to find
delightful sayings and write words of truth accurately. The sayings
of the wise are like cattle prods, and those from
masters of collections are like firmly embedded or from the

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master's collections are like firmly embedded nails. The sayings are
given by one shepherd. But beyond these, my son, be warned,
there is no end to the making of many books.
So there is no end to the amount of interpretations
people can find yep, the amount of ways that men
can lead people astray, and much study wearies the body.

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When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter
is this, Fear God and keep his commands, because this
is for all humanity. For God will bring every act
of judgment, including every hidden thing, whether good or evil.
So no, it does not surprise me, because the scripture

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tells me all of these things are going to come
to pass, so that the true faith can be found
and be revealed, that men who truly listen to Christ's
teachings may be discerned from others. Because it goes back
to the book of Malachi where it tells us that
in that day which is Christ, you will determine who

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is the one who actually follows Christ, and the man
who does evil ursue the one who does good and
obeys his God and the one who does evil, because
this gives a distinguishment. It showed this is how God divides.
The only division that God will ever do, because he's impartial,
is who is my son? Ye? One hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It's something you've done over the last hour already that
is lost already a lost art is the sermon portion
of many churches. I've sat through four weeks of not
one verse being cited. And again that goes back to
what you said at the very beginning. If you're not
citing anything, that means you're speaking. If I'm citing the
Bible after everything we say, it's it's God's word. And

(01:00:07):
you're doing really well with that. And I appreciate that wholeheartedly.
And I mean that because that is so exciting. That's
something that I just don't see. Do you think this
whole plan, obviously derived from from Satan himself to create
a physical Israel in the twentieth century, have they already

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attained their deceit or do you think is there a
bigger goal that they have in the future with all
of this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
The deceit is the deceit has already been attained because
and again this is so because this again escat is.
This is another problem with this misunderstanding of who Israel
is because what it does is it either kicks everything
into the past with dispensationalism, or it kicks everything into
the future with the eschatology. Right where God tells us today,

(01:01:02):
now is the time. Now is the day in which
I'm helping you. Now is the time of salvation. He's
not saying tomorrow, he's not saying yesterday, and time and again,
everything that we learn always kicks it into the future.
So we get this eschatological idea of this end times
that's going to come upon the whole world that you're
either going to be raptured out before or you're going

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to be raptured out after, and we're all going to
have to face it or not. We all there's a
select there's a select dispensation that's going to have to
face it. That is a and we we don't have time.
This is all again, these are all built on this
false paradigm understanding of who Israel is. And this has
never been in the Church like this, because the early

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Church knew who Israel was. And if we had more time,
I could literally just go through justin Martyr iaron Aeus,
Clementine or excuse me not Clementine, clement ignacious, and others
who all sit there and tell and say, believers in
Christ are Israel, they are the true Jews. And this

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and again this goes to the way that we are
taught the scripture Carnalinge. And I let's just do a
simple case study. Okay, So let's go to Second Thessalonians
chapter two, because this is everybody always goes here and
we all focus on it, about this, the great rebellion
that's going to come in this time. Okay. So Second

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Thessalonians chapter two says this, now, concerning the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ, and our being gathered to him,
we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to be easily
upset or troubled, either by prophecy or by a message
or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that that
that the day of the Lord has come. Don't let

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anyone deceive you in any way. Note that for that
day we'll not unless the great falling away the aposta
see the rebellion, which all the different translations. However, they
say it, excuse me, and to unless the Great rebellion
comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the

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man doomed to destruction. He opposes a He exalts himself
above every so called God or object of worship, so
that he sits in God's temple, proclaiming that he himself
is God. Don't you remember that when I was still
with you, I used to tell you about this, Okay,
So first and foremost, Paul is telling us, let no

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one deceive you. Here's what you need to look for.
And then thirdly, I have told you about this very
interesting because I don't know anywhere else that I have
seen in the carnal sense where Paul mentions in any
of his letters about this figure setting himself in the temple. Correct.

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But the modern day eschatology has modern Christians looking for
this third temple that's going to be built on the
Temple mount where the doma Rock, the Dome of the
Rock currently sits. And that's why there's this war between
Christians and israel excuse, and Israelites and Palestinians and Arabs,
and that why they're all fighting over this holy land.

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Once again, Praise be to God for the wisdom that's
given to us in First Corinthians. Let's just go right
back to where we've been in the vast majority of
this for spiritual understanding. First Corinthians, chapter three, starting in
verse I believe it's sixteen. It's either sixteen or eighteen.
First Corinthians, Chapter three, sixteen. The temple. Yeah, do you

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yourselves know that you are God's temple and that the
spirit of God lives in you. If anyone destroys God's temple,
iscuse destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's
temple is holy and that is what you are. Let

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no one deceive himself. Let's go right back to Second
Thessalonians chapter two. Let no man deceive you. Let no
one deceive himself. Let no man deceive you. Guess what
I am a man? Let me not deceive myself. I
am the temple of Living God. I have that interpretation.

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Paul says, Do you not remember when I was still
with you, I used to tell you about this. He
just told me, I am the temple of the Living God.
You are the temple of Living God. So when I
read Second Thessalonians, and it says in verse three, don't
let anyone deceive you. In any way, for that day
will not come unless the apostasy, the great rebellion, the

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falling away, comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed,
the man doomed to destruction. He opposes, and he exalts
himself above every soul called God or objects of worship,
so that he sits in God's temple. Where is he
sitting with?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Then you in me?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And man, that makes you shudder, that's powerful. You know,
read read three. There's another three sixteen. Boy, the numbers
are hitting today, John three sixteen. You know first Corinsians
three sixteen, and then read first Crinsians three sixteen, and
then get excited about hearing bombs being dropped. Anyone destroys

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God's temple, God will destroy that person.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Exactly right, because this is what we do. This is
what the enemy has already done. He is He has
turned our minds away from the spiritual and set it
on the cardinal, which Romans eight tells us his death.
Unto us we are we as a modern church, as
the body of Jesus Christ, have forgotten who we are
in God, which is Israel. We are Israel with him,

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We are Jews with him. And I don't know how.
I do know how, But there is absolutely no way
to dispute it. Because if we go to Romans chapter two,
Like if I go and I talk to someone, and
I talk to a Christian, I say, who is a Jew?
They'll tell me, well, they're the ethnic descendants of Abraham.
Why I can take them? I could take them to

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Galatians chapter four, which literally talks It says that this
is that the two wives of Abraham, Hagar and Sarah,
are an allegory or no, sorry, yeah, is given an
allegory Mount Sinai, and he talks about Ishmael being born
of the flesh, the son born of the flesh, and
the son born of the promise. Again, who is the
promise of God Jesus Christ. So there's the children born

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of the spirit, and there's the children born of the flesh.
Those born in the flesh are slaves and will not
have a part with the children born according to the promise.
This is literally written. But here, even if they say that,
even if they're going to hold to that, take them
to the scriptures and it says this in verse where

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do I want to go? Do I want to go back?
I'll just go to verse twenty eight. For a person
is not a Jew who is one outwardly and true
circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. On the contrary,
a person is a Jew who is won inwardly, and
circumcision is of the heart, by the spirit, not the letter.

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That person's praise is not from people, but from God.
How many times I ask your viewers to read this
slowly and ask themselves, how many times have they read
this and just skimmed over it and not taken it
to heart, and just gone and set in their minds
that a Jew is an ethnic, a bloodline descendant, excuse me, Abraham,

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or a Hebrew according to birth. And this is where again,
this is where you get so well, then replacement theology
and dispensational theology. Well, then if dispensational theology is true,
then theirs. I shouldn't even read the Book of Hebrews
because that doesn't pertain to me, or the Book of
James doesn't pertain to me because it's only written to

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the twelve tribes in the Dispensation, which is very interesting
because according to history it was ten tribes, but James
is referencing the twelve tribes in the dispensation. How are
twelve tribes in the dispensation? Because all the true spiritual Israel,
the Israel of God, is Galatians six fifteen. Teachers. Okay,
so let me slow down this fervin zeal and go

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to where the Lord is going. Because again, for a
person is not a Jew who is won outwardly, and
true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. On
the contrary, a person is a Jew who is won inwardly.
In circumcision is of the heart by the spirit, not
the letter. That the person's praise is not from people,
but from God. And let me go ahead and go

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to Galatians chapter six, and let the Lord put the
sword in the heart of this heresy in Galatians chapter
six starting in verse oh my gosh, sorry, my pages
are stuck together, starting in verse fifteen. For both circumcision

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and uncircumcision. This is Galatians chapter six, starting in verse fifteen.
For both circumcision and uncircumcision mean nothing. What matters instead
is a new creation. May peace come to all those
who follow this standard of teaching, and mercy to them
and to the Israel of God. So already scripture in

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two short passages has shown us that as a Jew
is not as we appraise them according to the flesh.
Israel is not as we appraise them according to the flesh.
They are praised by God, not by men according to
the spirit, who have had their hearts circumcised by the
Spirit and have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation as

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their king. And what does the New Testament say was
written on his cross he was whom king of the Jews.
That's right. So then I ask people, is he your king?
Who does that make you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Amen? That was really well said. And again when you
hear people say pray for Israel, Yeah, pray for the
body of Christ. Right, But also at the same time,
think of this, pray for those who are deceived within
those borders who don't take Christ as their savior. You
should pray for them, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Absolutely, and we should pray for And I want to
be clear that none of this comes from me, None
of this is none of this is justin like sitting
here and saying, look at me, I'm so much wiser
than anybody. I was believing everything. I was huge into eschatology,
I was huge into the well and to pre trib
post trib mid trip, when's the rapture coming? Because that's

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what I had been taught by men again and again
when I first came to Christ. That's all I was taught.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
This is the traditions of men, in doctrines of demons
that had permeated the Church, that have led men to
look the wrong way. John fourteen six says, I am
the way. So when tewod Corinthians chapter three, verse fourteen
through eight, or seventeen tells us that men's hearts are

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hardened when they read the scripture, when they read the
Old Testament, when they read Moses, because they are not
looking for the Lord, for they veil their heart. Their
hearts are hardened, and their eyes are veiled, and they
are unable to understand the scripture. Because the only way
to have the veil removed and the scriptures opened onto
them is to turn to Jesus Christ, because he is

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the way. So what way should I interpret the scripture?
Exactly the way Christ tells you John five point thirty nine.
You search the scriptures because you think in them you
have eternal life. But I tell you it is these
that testify of me. And he hammers it home in
verse forty and you refuse to come to me so
that you may have life. Luke chapter twenty four. He
says it when he's on the road to Amaus with

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the two disciples, Oh you who are stubborn in heart
of heart? Was it not necessary that the Christ should
endure all that had been written of him in or
all that had been written about him in Moses and
the Prophets, And opening their minds, he interpreted to them
these scriptures. In excuse me, he interpreted to them in
the scriptures everything pertaining to him. And then he goes

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into the upper room, the locked room, and stands among
the disciples, and he says, peace be among you, and
he opens their minds to understand the scriptures of how Moses,
the Prophets, and the Psalms all testified that the Christ
must suffer and die at the hands of men, and

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that salvation in his name should be preached for all
mankind beginning from Jerusalem. Amen to that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
And you know, this is an important, such an important message.
And again much of the Church has been deceived. And
we were all there at one time. And I'm not
saying that I am the end all be all of
this information, but you know, take the time, sit down
with your bibles, read it and understand that again we

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are you know, God is within us, the Church is
within our hearts. And you know the way, like you
mentioned being called a Calvinist or a Lutheran and all
of these things. It's simply you know, there was even
a time I don't know if it's still going on
that the besmirchmen of Paul, you know, the Trader and

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this and that. Paul is one of the greatest stories
of the Bible because if anyone could be saved, I mean,
you want to talk about paul redemption, you know, standing
over Steve and getting stoned and then turned around. Now
granted he didn't interact with Jesus physically on this realm,
but he had an interaction with him, and Lord knows
that if he was alive today, I think just about
every single one of our churches would be getting a letter.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah. And Paul is Paul tells us to imitate him
as he imitates Christ. And his journey is very very interesting.
If you read through his epistles, what does he say?
He says, I'm the least of all the apostles. The
next time he speaks of himselves, he says, I'm the
lowest of all the saints. And the final time, before
he is before he is martyred, he says that I
am the worst of all sinners, which again is revelatory

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to how men will exalt themselves outside of Christ, but
Christians will humble themselves before the Lord so that the
Lord may exalt them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Humility is something I think we all need to learn
to be better Christians, to be better followers of Christ.
That is something that I think if you ask anybody,
whether they're in seminary or new to it, humility is
something that we all need to work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Harder on, absolutely every single one of us. Yeah, me included.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah, this has been powerful, and I'm looking forward to
hearing back from the folks. Is there anything that you
wanted to close with justin or anything else that we
hadn't touched on yet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Just this In the prophet Isaiah, I believe it's Isaiah
fifty nine, the Lord tells he's speaking to eunuchs. Again,
that's an image of a slave, and we are to
be slaves that Jesus Christ. Let no man separate himself
from Israel. Let no one do not be ashamed of this,

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but be prepared. The world will hate you for this. Yeah,
Christians will hate you for this. They don't want it.
The spirit that dwells within them will seek to destroy you,
not always by physical means, but will undermine you, will
go against you. I can testify to you on this.

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They will scoff at you, They will persecute you, They
will deny you because they do not want Christ to
be the Israel of God. Because if Christ is the
Israel of God, then they must fear. And men don't
want to be afraid. But there is the fear of
God is a blessing. Unto you. The fear of God

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is a gift, because the fear of God is the
beginning of all knowledge and wisdom. Jesus Christ, who is
the knowledge and wisdom of God, who is Colossus chapter two,
verse two through three tells us is that the mystery
of God is Christ, in whom are hidden all the
treasures and knowledge, or all the treasures of knowledge and wisdom.

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I tell you this so that no one may deceive
you with plausible arguments. If you want Christ, you must
fear God. You must acknowledge that what was written to
Israel in the Lass Earing the former days is written
for your instruction, just as it says in Romans chapter four,

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and it says in One Corinthians chapter ten, this all
happened to them as an example, and it was written
down for our instruction. This is all written for us,
because when God is talking to Israel, the Israelites, he
is talking to you and me, just as he was
talking to them. There is no partiality with God. But

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any man among any nation who fears his name and
does his will is accepted by him. Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Now that's powerful. And I can't thank you enough for
the time you gave us today and for the listeners.
Justin's email addresses in the show notes if you'd like
to reach out and say hello, and again, very powerful information.
And again, don't just take this information and hold it withinside.
Discipleship is really how we win this fight against evil,

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right creating fishers of men. And again, thank you so
much for your time, and to the listeners, thank you,
and God bless each and every single one of you.
And until we meet again, my friends, we will see you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I was lost in the shadows, chasing empty dreams, broken
by the world, torn at the scene for the light
broke through calling out my name. I love so true,
washed away my shame.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Have have a step by, say you're leading me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
On a road too, Grays wm my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Soul, miss freak.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
On Salvation Street, will you learn sinnings Everyone drained.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Cork finds the place to breathe your cross, slots the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Way through the dark and paint.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I'm running to your arms on Salvation Street.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
You gay whoa O.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Sins like change holding me down. But your voice was
louder than the battle sound. You lifted me up from
the ashes our eyes. Now I see your truth shining
in your eyes. Every step by, and take you lead

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in me on a road too, Grays, where my soul
is free. Hamber on Salvation where your merg sea meets
every wall, drained part finds of place to breathe your cross.

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That's the way through the dark and paint. I'm running
to your arms on Salvation Street, no more fee normal lines.
You loves the fire, lights the sky.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
I'm a lie, I'm Rentine walking with my savin Salvation Street.
On Salvation Street, where you merge meets every wall during
part finds of place to breathe your cross.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
That's the way through the dark and paint. I'm running
to your arms on Salvation Street, On Salvation Street, where
your grace is sweet out forever walk to do mocky mondies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
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