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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Statistics. They can mean many things. It can be a
batting average, a win percentage, correlations, and standard deviation. But
numbers aren't just for nerds. In life, decisions need data.
In wrestling decisions, projections and hypotheticals also need data. Here
(00:24):
on matt Stats, we take historical data, theories, and statistics
and apply it to the world's oldest and greatest sport.
Now to your trio of numerical nerd balls, Glenn Gormley,
Kevin Hazard, and Jason Bryant.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome to the twenty twenty four NWCA Convention. Thank all
you people for coming here today. My name is Glenn Gordley.
There's my co host of match Stats, Kevin Hazard and
did you sing on the big screen? The voice and
our other co hosts of the sport, Jason Bryant.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I don't know about you guys. Probably way too big
on the screen for people to actually be comfortable with
this look right now. So my apologies for those that
we're spending days on the links and then have to
come in and see this giant, floating bald head of mine.
Well I like it, Jason, you would, of course. I
did this for your birthday. This is an honor of you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Okay, guys, So a couple of things real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We wanted to thank Mike Mooreyer and his NWCA staff
for putting this event together. I'm sure it was a
very stressful thing along with a lot of work. But
to Mike's whole staff and Mike especially, thank you for
inviting me, Kevin and Jason.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And thank you for making this possible one more year.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, now, guys, In case you guys don't know what
we do here at Matt Stats, we're subsidiary of the NWCA.
What we do is we analyze the sport using statistics.
We're not a technique or a move based thing where
it's statistical thing. So Mike has been doing this and
(02:03):
we've been at it for now almost three years. We're
trying to help educate people and help grow the sport.
And as everybody knows, the next event coming up in
the world's oldest and greatest sport is the Olympics. So
what we're going to do here, We're going to have
a couple just reviews of the Olympians, and then me
(02:25):
and Kevin are going to make some predictions on the
Americans what they're going to do in the Olympics. Kevin
and I are the only two allowed to do that
right now for obvious reasons. Okay, Kevin and Jason take
away the men's greco, tell us some stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Okay, and all the Olympics wrestling there are three six
weight classes. We qualified six and freestyle men's and women's each.
We only qualified four in GRECO and traditionally we're not
the best country in the world world in greco.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
But Kamo Bay at.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Seventy seven kilograms, Peyton Jacobson at eighty seven, Joe Row
at ninety seven, and Adam Kohn at one hundred and
thirty kilos. But we have in the past had eight
Olympic golds, and that's going back to nineteen eighty five.
(03:24):
And the last one, of course, was in was Rulan
Gardner beating Correllen in the two thousand Games.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I was there.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
That was very cool.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So if we're looking at them, a couple of interesting things.
Kama Bay comes in unseated, but he was seventh in
the world in twenty nineteen. Peyton Jacobson went to the
trials as the seventh seed and just and just blew
(03:58):
through beat a bunch of really good people. He's twenty
one years old and of course going to the first Olympics,
so he's kind of a cipher. Nobody knows him, but
you know, he's out of that Northeast Michigan program, so
he knows Greco Roman. Joe Rowitt ninety seven also unseated,
(04:19):
and he was on the twenty sixteen team. And then
Adam Kohn one of five Michigan wrestlers in the Olympics
this year, and he's the eighth seed. And interestingly enough,
he was not the favorite even though he was the
world silver twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
To make the team, he had lost four straight to
Colton Schultz.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Schultz from Arizona came back and beat him two out
of three in the trials.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So, Kevin, what I find interesting here is is actually
this is going to be a prevailing theme throughout all
of our styles are wrestling at Thelympics. I did some
numbers early running thirty two wrestlers that are in the Olympics,
and when talking about Matt stats, I've got some Matt
stats for you. Thirty two of the wrestlers in the
field wrestled in college in the United States. We've got
(05:13):
and that includes Canadians who wrestled at NCAA program. So,
for example, we know Simon Fraser is the only NCAAA
institution their NCAA Division two. They've had a women's team
for a long time. Now they're a full member of
the NCAA. So even the Native Canadians that go there
are on this list. Now we've got a couple of course,
the Gadinas sisters, you know, their other sisters big in
(05:34):
the MMA world. Camal Bay went straight to the Greco route.
Of course, he even trained at the Olympic Training Center
before graduating high school. Jacobson again went to the Northern
Michigan route. Joe Raw Division three National champion, Joe Row
has been done everything he can to make these teams.
He made it as low as eighty kilos, which those
of you who don't do the whole you know the
metric system things. It's two point two pounds equals a kilo.
(05:58):
I think that's exactly what it is or thereabouts. So
he's up to ninety seven keels. He did win the
trials back in the day, so he's actually on the
team for the first time, gonna suit up and then
Adam Kuhn, you know both heavyweights on the men's side
Greco and men's freestyle are Michigan men, so big giant
beasts that are wrestling there with Shawan Bormett. So we
(06:20):
look at Kun Foulerville, Michigan, Chicago, Illinois, Joe Row It's
literally his emotions just aren't on a sleeve, It's tattooed
across his bicep as well. Jacobson elcorn Wisconsin, and Camal
Bay out of Illinois that Oak Park River Forest program
before relocating in Colorado Springs, and of course Bay represents
this country and the Armies World Class Athlete program.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
He's dangerous now.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That guy in Istanbul lost his first round match and
then had to get pulled back in. I had to
play the waiting game, pulled back in won everything up
until that, won the bronze metch and then had that
wrestle off match the bronzes met didn't get in. But
then again, we know the way the world is working
right now. They pulled the athletes that were independent neutral
(07:02):
athletes from the field that represented certain countries and then
all of a sudden, well guess what wrestling through got
Camal Bay into the German He'd just bag it because
he was on the backside, so that's something. And he's
a junior world champion back in twenty seventeen. This guy's
still electric and you know, all things considered, I mean,
he's got a puncher's chance it winning everything because a
guy can just bomb people on their head. And of
(07:23):
course Adam Kuhn bodylocked his way to pinning his way
to silverback in Budapest in twenty eighteen, so he's always
a dangerous straw.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
So you mentioned Jacobson.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This guy started eating, he got better, so he's kind
of a poster boy for not cutting extreme amounts of
weight at the senior level.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
So Greco, we really.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Don't know what we're gonna get because we haven't had
a medal since Adam Wheeler in two thousand and eight
on the Olympic level. So I guess we're all rooting
for Greco to break through there. Herb House is the
new new national team coach, got a lot of young
blood coming through, so we'll see how it works out
in Greco.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Roman, thank you for that feedback, Jason. Okay, Kevin, let's
have a little thing here. Who do you think has
the best chance of the Americans at grec GOED's going.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
To do the best for the team.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I kind of piggyback off what Jason said, come al
Bay always has a puncher's chance. But I have to
go with Adam Kuhn. He's the eighth seed, but he
has won a world silver and I tell you what
he's coming on on an upswing. He just beat Colton Schultz,
(08:33):
and Schultzon beat him three to zero in the first round,
and I went back and watched the whole tournament. He
put together two great matches to make the team, and
I think that he's gonna be ready.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I think he's got a real chance of placing.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I like that pick, Kevin. I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I like God him, Kuhn seen him many times, Russell
obviously more times, and she double eight in Greco. But
I like Kuon to do the best for our tea
in Greco.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Now we move in God Actually, Glenn, I want to
throw one thing in real quick because kind of burying
the lead on Greco Heavyweight, because there's a guy from
an island ninety miles south of Miami, actually closer to you,
guys than I am right now. Meon Lopez coming back
to wrestle in his sixth Olympic Games, he's won four
gold medals. He didn't place the first time out, then
he's won four straight goals. I don't believe he's actually
(09:24):
competed in an event on the UWW schedule since he
won in Tokyo. He's got forty one years old. He's
going to be forty two August twentieth. I know that
because we have the same birthday. I'm three years older
than he is. So he's looking to be the first
individual athlete to win five Olympic gold medals in five
different Olympics.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
That's just nuts. So while he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
American, that's a guy that mister Coon's gonna have to
contend with, hopefully later in the draw. Because Meon Lopez,
if he had been born in the United States, he
might have been in the NFL Hall of Fame for
being a linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs or something
like that.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
This guy is a massive supreme being. It is nuts,
how monstrous and amazing this guy is.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
They had another the guy that he beat out. Well,
it's also a contender for a medal, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Mean he was bronze and silver into World Championships so yeah,
and their third string guy went to Chile and won
a world medal.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
So it's a really tough tough road.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
To ho If you grew up as a heavyweight in
Greco Roman in Cuba the last twenty years, you weren't
really going to see the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, well, thank you guys. Okay, now let's move to
women's freestyle. Kevin Jason go to quickly with us. Anything
you know about the women in the freestyle.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Well, they're pretty sure good, They're very good. You know.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's interesting in twenty twenty one, we put together a
pretty good team and we've kind of lost them or
a lot of them, like Jaikara Winchester, she lost in
the trial finals this time. A Mensa Stock is now
in the WWE and Adeline Gray to six time world champion.
(11:07):
She lost to Kennedy Blades, so and that's interesting because
that means Blades that does not have a lot of
time on the world stage, but she's very dangerous. So
we've got really six really tough wrestlers. It's Sarah Hildebrand
in fifty kilograms and she's a sixth seed Dominique Parish.
(11:33):
She isn't seeded, but she won the Worlds two years ago.
She got beat in the first round last year. But
she's really tough. But she she being unseated. She could
end up with a really bad draw or Kevin.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
She is the bad draw, right, that's what you're saying,
very she is the bad draw. She is the bad draw.
You know, you know, Jason, you know the way they
do it. It's kind of fair.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
They say, you got turnament and we'll.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
See it wrestle.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
If you don't come, you don't get seated.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
You gotta wrestle.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
She's tough.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Hella Morales, she's in her third Olympics and she's she's won,
she's win the and she was actually our first women's
gold medalist. Really really tough. She's thirty two years old.
And then Kayla Miracle twenty eight years old. She's seated second,
(12:35):
and she's really tough. She's gonna have a really tough
quarterfinal match against Tonabakova, who was a three time world champion.
So she's got it. But then sixty eight kilos, we
have an unseated wrestler who's an eight time world champion.
(12:57):
She's she's twenty years old and she's seated, but she
just dropped from seventy two kilos down to sixty eight kilos,
and it's a meat at Loure. Who's gonna be is
is already one of the best wrestlers of all time,
and she's twenty eight world titles, included two on the
senior level before she was twenty years old and then
(13:20):
again another twenty year old at seventy six kilos.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Kennedy blades.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Last year in the trials, she's she gave Adeline Gray
a pretty tough match and then Adeline.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Pinder.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
This year, she came.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Out and and and made a statement, beaten Adeline Gray,
knocking her, you know, off the team.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
But she doesn't have that much.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
World experience, and so I think she's gonna have a
tough road, but she can beat anybody. She's really, really
a good wrestler, just not a lot of senior experience.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, when Kennedy's on, she's she's lights out. I mean,
she's you know, that's one of the wrestlers. When Adeline
was coaching at Wyoming Seminary, she even it was almost
foreshadowing to a point about her career. She's like, yeah,
you know when these when these girls like Kennedy Blade
are going to get to the senior level, you really
want to duck and cover, and her and Immedia Lore
are like, you know, twenty years old, like you know
(14:16):
the things that they have done already. I mean they've
got multiple age group role titles and then a meet
at the non Olympic weight and then making that decision
does she go up does she go down?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
She went down?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think ultimately that was better for Team USA and
again to swing that by neither of those route, at
least as of this week, neither of them had elected
to go to college route until well, college wrestling route.
Kennedy was going to go at Arizona State, but now
she's just signed within the last week to wrestle the
University of Iowa a meet, staying out of the college
scene right now. But we look at the college ranks
(14:45):
of these athletes. Sarah hilde Brandt went to King University.
Don Parrish was north of the border at Simon Fraser,
as was Helmerrules who started her career at Missouri Baptist.
Kayla Miracle four time women's college champion at Campbellsville. So
those are there's definitely the college infl uence there as well,
and a lot of experience here. We've got women that
are twenty years old, but we've also got the women
that are on their second and third Olympic team. And
(15:07):
what we've noticed about our generations of women's wrestlers, they
come in waves and they stay for a while until
another wave comes in and knocks them off. We want
to look at two thousand and four, for example, we
go back and look at Sarah McMahon, Patricia Miranda, like
those were athletes in Tilkarmagummy. They were basically on the
world teams consistently their entire careers. And that's what we've
(15:28):
got with Helen and Hildebranton. Don Parrish has basically been
on the team the last several years and perform well.
So it's depth, it's longevity. It's also the benefit of
our college wrestling system that has really filled the ranks
of our freestyle senior level too. And you know, we
get those college kids that are wrestling for you twenty
U twenty three world team spots too. So you know,
even you say that Kennedy doesn't have that much senior
(15:50):
level experience, but she's got plenty of age group in
U twenty three U twenty. She's been wrestling people her
age the entire time she's been winning, So you know,
I think first time out, it's usually gonna be a
hard time to adjust to people like Kennedy Blades. And
I meet Laura at a new weight, We'll see what happens.
That'd be exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Thank you, Jason, Hi, Kevin, Let's play a prediction game.
Who do you like to do the best for all
the women freestylers.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Well, it's Jason said it when we were talking about
the greco.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
A meeting. Lord is unseated and she is the ultimate
bad draw.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I just think with eight world titles, and I've
watched I watched her in the World Championships last couple
of years, she is lights out as tough a wrestler
as I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I have to go with the Meet of Lord.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, I'm gonna go a little bit, a little bit
different pick here. I'm gonna go with Kyler Miracle. I
was fortunate enough to get to know her when n
WCA and women in the All Star Match for the
first time twenty seventeen in Princeton, So I got to
meet her and her father, and I've followed her career.
I'm going to go with Kyle Miracle from Campbellsville as
my pick for the women. Now we're going to go
(17:05):
next to the men. But I want to tell somebody
a good wrestling story here. And the last Olympics. Last
Olympics in twenty twenty one, gable stepson won the gold medal.
He's not competing this year because he's trying out for
the Buffalo Bills. In case anybody doesn't know it about
(17:26):
the Buffalo Bills, their head coach Sean McDermott, who went
to the same college as Kevin and I that school
in Williasburg, Virginia.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
He was a two time national prep champion in high
school from LaSalle High School in Philly, my old hometown.
So I think it's a great thing to see wrestlers
hopefully getting into the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So go Gable steveson on that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Now, let's hear about the guys that are actually in
this Olympics and men's free style.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Kevin and Jason take it away.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Six weight classes and we have six. We did have
to go down to the last qualifier to get Spencer
Lee and Zane Rutherford in and spencerly had a really
easy run through it. I mean he really dominated except
when he had one pretty tough match. But I was
(18:21):
more impressed with a Zaye at that qualifier. He lost
in the quarters, had to wait for refechars and then
reeled off four matches in a day to go to
get to the qualifier and did it so that fifty
seven and sixty five unseated. And they're going to be
(18:43):
tough because Zaye was a two time He's won Golden
seven in the past two World Championships.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
But like I meet a Lore, he's dropping down.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
He dropped from from seventy kilograms down to sixty five
because there is no Olympic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
You know, there are no Olympics for seventy kilogram guys.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
He came very close to giving it up, but he
decided I'm gonna go one more time and just had
a great run the last couple of years. Kyle Dake
four time world champion. He's the odds on favored to win.
He's a first seed. He is thirty three years old
(19:26):
now and Kevin and Gorm's years that's not real old,
but the wrestling years, that's a little on the long
two side. But he is just as tough as he
can be. But seventy four kilos is kind of an
(19:47):
interesting way. And that's where Dake is. You've got seven
x Russians in there. I say x Russians, they're right
now wrestling for other countries. And you come out of
that Soviet system, you come out tough. So he's got
his work cut out for him at seventy four. Aaron
Brooks Aaron Brooks at eighty six kilos, he had to
(20:11):
beat the defending world champ, David Taylor just to make
the team. Now, they were teammates in that in the
Penn State RTC and just and beat David Taylor to
in a row. And uh, of course David has since
gone on to take the Oklahoma state.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Job, but.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
He's unseated, but he's gonna That's that's another one. That's
a it's a tough draw for anybody. And then Kyle
Snyder is the third seed. He's nine years in a row,
he's been a world medalist, he's an Olympic CHAMPI he's
a world champ. But he's got real work in that.
(20:54):
Teuz Houdinoff for bah Raining another ex Russian that there's
a common theme to the that in the wrestling world
whacked him in the World Championships.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I mean it was ugly.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Kyle shot in on a really nice double and Tazludnoff
just threw him for four and it got worse from there.
So he's got his work cut out. And then Mason Paris,
the other Michigan heavyweight in here. He's third seed and
he's got he's got a puncher's chance. He can meddle,
(21:32):
but he's got Petris Chavilli and there's a couple. There's
three or four guys that could win one hundred and
twenty five kilos.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
All right, Well, to go back again, we got a
room full of Kyleege wrestling coaches, so let's let's make
sure that these universities of note get their plugs here.
So you mentioned the amount of Michigan wrestlers that are
in the field. Yep, yep, we got a bunch. We've
also got representation for from Campbellsville who was wrestling for Nigeria,
(22:03):
Ashton mattooas another there's like four college heavyweights at this
weight class. So let's look we and you know he
wrestled for Truman State, so coach Shutter right there, you
know he you know, unfortunately that program's not with us anymore,
but he's a Truman State Campbellsville.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
We've also got si Ritos at Jonavan Smith representing Puerto
Rico wrestledt Torito's and spent some time at Presbyterian Clarion
and Kolby Community College represented Cornell, Iowa, Lehigh, Menlo. You
got Abdaliyah from muz Bakistan, ANAI national champion at Menlo.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
He was an Olympian last time around.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Michigan of course, Northwestern Wisconsin, Iowa State, North Carolina, Ohio State,
Oregon State, Penn State, Rutgers, and I'm saving this one too.
South Africa represented with the Rider BRONC with Nick Delanga.
So yeah, we've got a lot of college wrestlers to
pay attention to, and not just again the ones that
(22:56):
were representing the US and then have transferred over you know,
Rby and Cruise and such, but we've got guys that
have been representing other countries wrestling here, you know, the
longest from South Africa.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
That's a cool story right there.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Thank you for that, Jason.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, Kevin, let's get down to the men's freestyle and
make our predictions your first.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Buddy, Well, just just just going along with what Jason said.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Michigan does have five of their ex wrestlers in the
in the tournament, of course, two for the United States
Miles a mean for San Marino.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And you have to look San Marino up on a map.
It's a oh you don't. It's a micro state inside
of Italy. Everybody knows that. Come on, what kind of
did you had.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
To look it up?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And you look at a map of Italy and it
doesn't even look well, it's not even a big city
in Italy. It's thirty three thousand people in the whole principality.
He's a college campus.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
It's smaller than Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It's a tad bigger than Vannheim.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
And then you've got Steven Meisik wrestling for Serbia and
he's the defending world champion, another Michigan wrestler. And then
Austin Gomez who's doing brad which you're at work now,
he's wrestling for Puerto Rico. So shout out to Michigan Mexico.
Now it's tough, It's this is a tough one to pick.
(24:21):
Kyle Sneyder just came out and said in the last
day he said we can have six goals in men's freestyle.
I think that's a little tough piece, but I don't
there is a There is a shot for each one
of those guys to get through and get it. I'm
gonna go with Spencer Lee. I've watched him since he
was thirteen years old, and right now he is he
(24:47):
is wrestling and unhurt, and I think he's wrestling unhurt
for the first time in three or four years, and
I really think he's gonna go all the way and win. Well.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That would be great to see. I hope we're do
in many gold medals.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Mike prediction for the one with the best chance to
win it all is Kyle dik Okay. I don't think
there's a right or wrong pick here, so I'm not
going to give you the not so fast Kevin.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So guys, anyway, it's getting your time. Where we got
to rap this thing up here soon.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What I want to tell everybody is our most recent
Matt Stats show that came out yesterday is about the
new takedown rule. Kevin and I will be at booth
twenty nine to my left. You're right if you're looking
at the stage the mat stats booth. We'd be happy
to explain to anybody what happened what it means in
(25:43):
a numerical sense, because it's the biggest rule change in
anybody who's me or Kevin's age or younger. It's the
biggest rule change by far. H Good luck to my
co host and his travels over the pond. He's gonna uh,
he's gonna represent America. Well, we're sorry not to have
(26:04):
Jason here, but we'll see him again soon. Good luck
with it there, and guys on behalf of Jason the
voice of our sport, Kevin Hazard and Glenn Gormley, thank
you for coming to the nw c A Convention.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
See you later on tonight and tomorrow. God bless and
go USA.
Statistics. They can mean many things. It can be a
batting average, a win percentage, correlations, and standard deviation. But
numbers aren't just for nerds. In life, decisions need data.
In wrestling decisions, projections and hypotheticals also need data. Here
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on matt Stats, we take historical data, theories, and statistics
and apply it to the world's oldest and greatest sport.
Now to your trio of numerical nerd balls, Glenn Gormley,
Kevin Hazard, and Jason Bryant.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome to the twenty twenty four NWCA Convention. Thank all
you people for coming here today. My name is Glenn Gordley.
There's my co host of match Stats, Kevin Hazard and
did you sing on the big screen? The voice and
our other co hosts of the sport, Jason Bryant.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I don't know about you guys. Probably way too big
on the screen for people to actually be comfortable with
this look right now. So my apologies for those that
we're spending days on the links and then have to
come in and see this giant, floating bald head of mine.
Well I like it, Jason, you would, of course. I
did this for your birthday. This is an honor of you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Okay, guys, So a couple of things real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We wanted to thank Mike Mooreyer and his NWCA staff
for putting this event together. I'm sure it was a
very stressful thing along with a lot of work. But
to Mike's whole staff and Mike especially, thank you for
inviting me, Kevin and Jason.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And thank you for making this possible one more year.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, now, guys, In case you guys don't know what
we do here at Matt Stats, we're subsidiary of the NWCA.
What we do is we analyze the sport using statistics.
We're not a technique or a move based thing where
it's statistical thing. So Mike has been doing this and
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we've been at it for now almost three years. We're
trying to help educate people and help grow the sport.
And as everybody knows, the next event coming up in
the world's oldest and greatest sport is the Olympics. So
what we're going to do here, We're going to have
a couple just reviews of the Olympians, and then me
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and Kevin are going to make some predictions on the
Americans what they're going to do in the Olympics. Kevin
and I are the only two allowed to do that
right now for obvious reasons. Okay, Kevin and Jason take
away the men's greco, tell us some stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Okay, and all the Olympics wrestling there are three six
weight classes. We qualified six and freestyle men's and women's each.
We only qualified four in GRECO and traditionally we're not
the best country in the world world in greco.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
But Kamo Bay at.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Seventy seven kilograms, Peyton Jacobson at eighty seven, Joe Row
at ninety seven, and Adam Kohn at one hundred and
thirty kilos. But we have in the past had eight
Olympic golds, and that's going back to nineteen eighty five.
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And the last one, of course, was in was Rulan
Gardner beating Correllen in the two thousand Games.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I was there.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
That was very cool.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So if we're looking at them, a couple of interesting things.
Kama Bay comes in unseated, but he was seventh in
the world in twenty nineteen. Peyton Jacobson went to the
trials as the seventh seed and just and just blew
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through beat a bunch of really good people. He's twenty
one years old and of course going to the first Olympics,
so he's kind of a cipher. Nobody knows him, but
you know, he's out of that Northeast Michigan program, so
he knows Greco Roman. Joe Rowitt ninety seven also unseated,
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and he was on the twenty sixteen team. And then
Adam Kohn one of five Michigan wrestlers in the Olympics
this year, and he's the eighth seed. And interestingly enough,
he was not the favorite even though he was the
world silver twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
To make the team, he had lost four straight to
Colton Schultz.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Schultz from Arizona came back and beat him two out
of three in the trials.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So, Kevin, what I find interesting here is is actually
this is going to be a prevailing theme throughout all
of our styles are wrestling at Thelympics. I did some
numbers early running thirty two wrestlers that are in the Olympics,
and when talking about Matt stats, I've got some Matt
stats for you. Thirty two of the wrestlers in the
field wrestled in college in the United States. We've got
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and that includes Canadians who wrestled at NCAA program. So,
for example, we know Simon Fraser is the only NCAAA
institution their NCAA Division two. They've had a women's team
for a long time. Now they're a full member of
the NCAA. So even the Native Canadians that go there
are on this list. Now we've got a couple of course,
the Gadinas sisters, you know, their other sisters big in
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the MMA world. Camal Bay went straight to the Greco route.
Of course, he even trained at the Olympic Training Center
before graduating high school. Jacobson again went to the Northern
Michigan route. Joe Raw Division three National champion, Joe Row
has been done everything he can to make these teams.
He made it as low as eighty kilos, which those
of you who don't do the whole you know the
metric system things. It's two point two pounds equals a kilo.
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I think that's exactly what it is or thereabouts. So
he's up to ninety seven keels. He did win the
trials back in the day, so he's actually on the
team for the first time, gonna suit up and then
Adam Kuhn, you know both heavyweights on the men's side
Greco and men's freestyle are Michigan men, so big giant
beasts that are wrestling there with Shawan Bormett. So we
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look at Kun Foulerville, Michigan, Chicago, Illinois, Joe Row It's
literally his emotions just aren't on a sleeve, It's tattooed
across his bicep as well. Jacobson elcorn Wisconsin, and Camal
Bay out of Illinois that Oak Park River Forest program
before relocating in Colorado Springs, and of course Bay represents
this country and the Armies World Class Athlete program.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
He's dangerous now.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That guy in Istanbul lost his first round match and
then had to get pulled back in. I had to
play the waiting game, pulled back in won everything up
until that, won the bronze metch and then had that
wrestle off match the bronzes met didn't get in. But
then again, we know the way the world is working
right now. They pulled the athletes that were independent neutral
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athletes from the field that represented certain countries and then
all of a sudden, well guess what wrestling through got
Camal Bay into the German He'd just bag it because
he was on the backside, so that's something. And he's
a junior world champion back in twenty seventeen. This guy's
still electric and you know, all things considered, I mean,
he's got a puncher's chance it winning everything because a
guy can just bomb people on their head. And of
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course Adam Kuhn bodylocked his way to pinning his way
to silverback in Budapest in twenty eighteen, so he's always
a dangerous straw.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
So you mentioned Jacobson.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This guy started eating, he got better, so he's kind
of a poster boy for not cutting extreme amounts of
weight at the senior level.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
So Greco, we really.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Don't know what we're gonna get because we haven't had
a medal since Adam Wheeler in two thousand and eight
on the Olympic level. So I guess we're all rooting
for Greco to break through there. Herb House is the
new new national team coach, got a lot of young
blood coming through, so we'll see how it works out
in Greco.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Roman, thank you for that feedback, Jason. Okay, Kevin, let's
have a little thing here. Who do you think has
the best chance of the Americans at grec GOED's going.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
To do the best for the team.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I kind of piggyback off what Jason said, come al
Bay always has a puncher's chance. But I have to
go with Adam Kuhn. He's the eighth seed, but he
has won a world silver and I tell you what
he's coming on on an upswing. He just beat Colton Schultz,
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and Schultzon beat him three to zero in the first round,
and I went back and watched the whole tournament. He
put together two great matches to make the team, and
I think that he's gonna be ready.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I think he's got a real chance of placing.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I like that pick, Kevin. I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I like God him, Kuhn seen him many times, Russell
obviously more times, and she double eight in Greco. But
I like Kuon to do the best for our tea
in Greco.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Now we move in God Actually, Glenn, I want to
throw one thing in real quick because kind of burying
the lead on Greco Heavyweight, because there's a guy from
an island ninety miles south of Miami, actually closer to you,
guys than I am right now. Meon Lopez coming back
to wrestle in his sixth Olympic Games, he's won four
gold medals. He didn't place the first time out, then
he's won four straight goals. I don't believe he's actually
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competed in an event on the UWW schedule since he
won in Tokyo. He's got forty one years old. He's
going to be forty two August twentieth. I know that
because we have the same birthday. I'm three years older
than he is. So he's looking to be the first
individual athlete to win five Olympic gold medals in five
different Olympics.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
That's just nuts. So while he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
American, that's a guy that mister Coon's gonna have to
contend with, hopefully later in the draw. Because Meon Lopez,
if he had been born in the United States, he
might have been in the NFL Hall of Fame for
being a linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs or something
like that.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
This guy is a massive supreme being. It is nuts,
how monstrous and amazing this guy is.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
They had another the guy that he beat out. Well,
it's also a contender for a medal, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Mean he was bronze and silver into World Championships so yeah,
and their third string guy went to Chile and won
a world medal.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
So it's a really tough tough road.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
To ho If you grew up as a heavyweight in
Greco Roman in Cuba the last twenty years, you weren't
really going to see the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, well, thank you guys. Okay, now let's move to
women's freestyle. Kevin Jason go to quickly with us. Anything
you know about the women in the freestyle.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Well, they're pretty sure good, They're very good. You know.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's interesting in twenty twenty one, we put together a
pretty good team and we've kind of lost them or
a lot of them, like Jaikara Winchester, she lost in
the trial finals this time. A Mensa Stock is now
in the WWE and Adeline Gray to six time world champion.
(11:07):
She lost to Kennedy Blades, so and that's interesting because
that means Blades that does not have a lot of
time on the world stage, but she's very dangerous. So
we've got really six really tough wrestlers. It's Sarah Hildebrand
in fifty kilograms and she's a sixth seed Dominique Parish.
(11:33):
She isn't seeded, but she won the Worlds two years ago.
She got beat in the first round last year. But
she's really tough. But she she being unseated. She could
end up with a really bad draw or Kevin.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
She is the bad draw, right, that's what you're saying,
very she is the bad draw. She is the bad draw.
You know, you know, Jason, you know the way they
do it. It's kind of fair.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
They say, you got turnament and we'll.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
See it wrestle.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
If you don't come, you don't get seated.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
You gotta wrestle.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
She's tough.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Hella Morales, she's in her third Olympics and she's she's won,
she's win the and she was actually our first women's
gold medalist. Really really tough. She's thirty two years old.
And then Kayla Miracle twenty eight years old. She's seated second,
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and she's really tough. She's gonna have a really tough
quarterfinal match against Tonabakova, who was a three time world champion.
So she's got it. But then sixty eight kilos, we
have an unseated wrestler who's an eight time world champion.
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She's she's twenty years old and she's seated, but she
just dropped from seventy two kilos down to sixty eight kilos,
and it's a meat at Loure. Who's gonna be is
is already one of the best wrestlers of all time,
and she's twenty eight world titles, included two on the
senior level before she was twenty years old and then
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again another twenty year old at seventy six kilos.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Kennedy blades.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Last year in the trials, she's she gave Adeline Gray
a pretty tough match and then Adeline.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Pinder.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
This year, she came.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Out and and and made a statement, beaten Adeline Gray,
knocking her, you know, off the team.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
But she doesn't have that much.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
World experience, and so I think she's gonna have a
tough road, but she can beat anybody. She's really, really
a good wrestler, just not a lot of senior experience.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, when Kennedy's on, she's she's lights out. I mean,
she's you know, that's one of the wrestlers. When Adeline
was coaching at Wyoming Seminary, she even it was almost
foreshadowing to a point about her career. She's like, yeah,
you know when these when these girls like Kennedy Blade
are going to get to the senior level, you really
want to duck and cover, and her and Immedia Lore
are like, you know, twenty years old, like you know
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the things that they have done already. I mean they've
got multiple age group role titles and then a meet
at the non Olympic weight and then making that decision
does she go up does she go down?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
She went down?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think ultimately that was better for Team USA and
again to swing that by neither of those route, at
least as of this week, neither of them had elected
to go to college route until well, college wrestling route.
Kennedy was going to go at Arizona State, but now
she's just signed within the last week to wrestle the
University of Iowa a meet, staying out of the college
scene right now. But we look at the college ranks
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of these athletes. Sarah hilde Brandt went to King University.
Don Parrish was north of the border at Simon Fraser,
as was Helmerrules who started her career at Missouri Baptist.
Kayla Miracle four time women's college champion at Campbellsville. So
those are there's definitely the college infl uence there as well,
and a lot of experience here. We've got women that
are twenty years old, but we've also got the women
that are on their second and third Olympic team. And
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what we've noticed about our generations of women's wrestlers, they
come in waves and they stay for a while until
another wave comes in and knocks them off. We want
to look at two thousand and four, for example, we
go back and look at Sarah McMahon, Patricia Miranda, like
those were athletes in Tilkarmagummy. They were basically on the
world teams consistently their entire careers. And that's what we've
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got with Helen and Hildebranton. Don Parrish has basically been
on the team the last several years and perform well.
So it's depth, it's longevity. It's also the benefit of
our college wrestling system that has really filled the ranks
of our freestyle senior level too. And you know, we
get those college kids that are wrestling for you twenty
U twenty three world team spots too. So you know,
even you say that Kennedy doesn't have that much senior
(15:50):
level experience, but she's got plenty of age group in
U twenty three U twenty. She's been wrestling people her
age the entire time she's been winning, So you know,
I think first time out, it's usually gonna be a
hard time to adjust to people like Kennedy Blades. And
I meet Laura at a new weight, We'll see what happens.
That'd be exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Thank you, Jason, Hi, Kevin, Let's play a prediction game.
Who do you like to do the best for all
the women freestylers.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Well, it's Jason said it when we were talking about
the greco.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
A meeting. Lord is unseated and she is the ultimate
bad draw.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I just think with eight world titles, and I've
watched I watched her in the World Championships last couple
of years, she is lights out as tough a wrestler
as I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I have to go with the Meet of Lord.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, I'm gonna go a little bit, a little bit
different pick here. I'm gonna go with Kyler Miracle. I
was fortunate enough to get to know her when n
WCA and women in the All Star Match for the
first time twenty seventeen in Princeton, So I got to
meet her and her father, and I've followed her career.
I'm going to go with Kyle Miracle from Campbellsville as
my pick for the women. Now we're going to go
(17:05):
next to the men. But I want to tell somebody
a good wrestling story here. And the last Olympics. Last
Olympics in twenty twenty one, gable stepson won the gold medal.
He's not competing this year because he's trying out for
the Buffalo Bills. In case anybody doesn't know it about
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the Buffalo Bills, their head coach Sean McDermott, who went
to the same college as Kevin and I that school
in Williasburg, Virginia.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
He was a two time national prep champion in high
school from LaSalle High School in Philly, my old hometown.
So I think it's a great thing to see wrestlers
hopefully getting into the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So go Gable steveson on that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Now, let's hear about the guys that are actually in
this Olympics and men's free style.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Kevin and Jason take it away.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Six weight classes and we have six. We did have
to go down to the last qualifier to get Spencer
Lee and Zane Rutherford in and spencerly had a really
easy run through it. I mean he really dominated except
when he had one pretty tough match. But I was
(18:21):
more impressed with a Zaye at that qualifier. He lost
in the quarters, had to wait for refechars and then
reeled off four matches in a day to go to
get to the qualifier and did it so that fifty
seven and sixty five unseated. And they're going to be
(18:43):
tough because Zaye was a two time He's won Golden
seven in the past two World Championships.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
But like I meet a Lore, he's dropping down.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
He dropped from from seventy kilograms down to sixty five
because there is no Olympic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
You know, there are no Olympics for seventy kilogram guys.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
He came very close to giving it up, but he
decided I'm gonna go one more time and just had
a great run the last couple of years. Kyle Dake
four time world champion. He's the odds on favored to win.
He's a first seed. He is thirty three years old
(19:26):
now and Kevin and Gorm's years that's not real old,
but the wrestling years, that's a little on the long
two side. But he is just as tough as he
can be. But seventy four kilos is kind of an
(19:47):
interesting way. And that's where Dake is. You've got seven
x Russians in there. I say x Russians, they're right
now wrestling for other countries. And you come out of
that Soviet system, you come out tough. So he's got
his work cut out for him at seventy four. Aaron
Brooks Aaron Brooks at eighty six kilos, he had to
(20:11):
beat the defending world champ, David Taylor just to make
the team. Now, they were teammates in that in the
Penn State RTC and just and beat David Taylor to
in a row. And uh, of course David has since
gone on to take the Oklahoma state.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Job, but.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
He's unseated, but he's gonna That's that's another one. That's
a it's a tough draw for anybody. And then Kyle
Snyder is the third seed. He's nine years in a row,
he's been a world medalist, he's an Olympic CHAMPI he's
a world champ. But he's got real work in that.
(20:54):
Teuz Houdinoff for bah Raining another ex Russian that there's
a common theme to the that in the wrestling world
whacked him in the World Championships.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I mean it was ugly.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Kyle shot in on a really nice double and Tazludnoff
just threw him for four and it got worse from there.
So he's got his work cut out. And then Mason Paris,
the other Michigan heavyweight in here. He's third seed and
he's got he's got a puncher's chance. He can meddle,
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but he's got Petris Chavilli and there's a couple. There's
three or four guys that could win one hundred and
twenty five kilos.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
All right, Well, to go back again, we got a
room full of Kyleege wrestling coaches, so let's let's make
sure that these universities of note get their plugs here.
So you mentioned the amount of Michigan wrestlers that are
in the field. Yep, yep, we got a bunch. We've
also got representation for from Campbellsville who was wrestling for Nigeria,
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Ashton mattooas another there's like four college heavyweights at this
weight class. So let's look we and you know he
wrestled for Truman State, so coach Shutter right there, you
know he you know, unfortunately that program's not with us anymore,
but he's a Truman State Campbellsville.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
We've also got si Ritos at Jonavan Smith representing Puerto
Rico wrestledt Torito's and spent some time at Presbyterian Clarion
and Kolby Community College represented Cornell, Iowa, Lehigh, Menlo. You
got Abdaliyah from muz Bakistan, ANAI national champion at Menlo.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
He was an Olympian last time around.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Michigan of course, Northwestern Wisconsin, Iowa State, North Carolina, Ohio State,
Oregon State, Penn State, Rutgers, and I'm saving this one too.
South Africa represented with the Rider BRONC with Nick Delanga.
So yeah, we've got a lot of college wrestlers to
pay attention to, and not just again the ones that
(22:56):
were representing the US and then have transferred over you know,
Rby and Cruise and such, but we've got guys that
have been representing other countries wrestling here, you know, the
longest from South Africa.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
That's a cool story right there.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Thank you for that, Jason.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, Kevin, let's get down to the men's freestyle and
make our predictions your first.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Buddy, Well, just just just going along with what Jason said.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Michigan does have five of their ex wrestlers in the
in the tournament, of course, two for the United States
Miles a mean for San Marino.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And you have to look San Marino up on a map.
It's a oh you don't. It's a micro state inside
of Italy. Everybody knows that. Come on, what kind of
did you had.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
To look it up?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
And you look at a map of Italy and it
doesn't even look well, it's not even a big city
in Italy. It's thirty three thousand people in the whole principality.
He's a college campus.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
It's smaller than Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It's a tad bigger than Vannheim.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
And then you've got Steven Meisik wrestling for Serbia and
he's the defending world champion, another Michigan wrestler. And then
Austin Gomez who's doing brad which you're at work now,
he's wrestling for Puerto Rico. So shout out to Michigan Mexico.
Now it's tough, It's this is a tough one to pick.
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Kyle Sneyder just came out and said in the last
day he said we can have six goals in men's freestyle.
I think that's a little tough piece, but I don't
there is a There is a shot for each one
of those guys to get through and get it. I'm
gonna go with Spencer Lee. I've watched him since he
was thirteen years old, and right now he is he
(24:47):
is wrestling and unhurt, and I think he's wrestling unhurt
for the first time in three or four years, and
I really think he's gonna go all the way and win. Well.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That would be great to see. I hope we're do
in many gold medals.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Mike prediction for the one with the best chance to
win it all is Kyle dik Okay. I don't think
there's a right or wrong pick here, so I'm not
going to give you the not so fast Kevin.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So guys, anyway, it's getting your time. Where we got
to rap this thing up here soon.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What I want to tell everybody is our most recent
Matt Stats show that came out yesterday is about the
new takedown rule. Kevin and I will be at booth
twenty nine to my left. You're right if you're looking
at the stage the mat stats booth. We'd be happy
to explain to anybody what happened what it means in
(25:43):
a numerical sense, because it's the biggest rule change in
anybody who's me or Kevin's age or younger. It's the
biggest rule change by far. H Good luck to my
co host and his travels over the pond. He's gonna uh,
he's gonna represent America. Well, we're sorry not to have
(26:04):
Jason here, but we'll see him again soon. Good luck
with it there, and guys on behalf of Jason the
voice of our sport, Kevin Hazard and Glenn Gormley, thank
you for coming to the nw c A Convention.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
See you later on tonight and tomorrow. God bless and
go USA.
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