Colorado author with 50+ years of professional business experience Larry O’Nan on stewardship!

Colorado author with 50+ years of professional business experience Larry O’Nan talks about his latest release “Intentional Living & Giving” as a practical faith-focused book that outlines biblical principles and practical applications for lifestyle stewardships and help those stuck or in confusion and fear to begin thriving with purpose and contentment! Larry is a 1966 graduate of Univ. of Colorado, served with his wife on fulltime staff with CRU (Campus Crusade for Christ) for 18 years, spent 13 years developing/overseeing accelerated growth of various funding projects, and serves as VP of Stewardship Strategies at Management Development Associates plus as fund development consultant for many Christian non-profit organizations and author of his first book “Giving Yourself Away”! Check out the amazing Larry O’Nan and his latest release on all major platforms and www.larryonan.com today! #podmatch #larryonan #author #coloradoauthor #intentionallivingandgiving #givingyourselfaway #faithbased #christianstewardship #biblicalprinciples #campuscrusadeforchrist #stewardshipstrategies #managementdevelopment #universtiyofcolorado #spreaker #iheartradio #spotify #applemusic #youtube #anchorfm #bitchute #rumble #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerlarryonan #themikewagnershowlarryonan

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Amazing Gentlemen who's an author of fifth years of professional
and business experience as fund development consultant for many Christian
nonprofit organizations. He's a nineteen sixties graduate University of Colorado,
served with his wife on full time on the staff

(01:35):
at CRIU, which is Campus Crusade for christ eighteen years
and Decade thirteen years, developing a number of accelerate growth
programs that oversaw them and various fun projects, and serves
as Vice president of Stewardship Strategies and Management and Development Association.
And has a new book, a practical of faith based

(01:57):
book that's simply you know ties and b there's a
Biblical principles and practical applications for festive stewardship. The books
called Intentional Living and Giving Live Ladies and Gentlemen plus
Studios somewhere in beautiful Colorado, the amazing author fifty years
of professional business experience, the multi talent Larry on Now, Larry,
good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, good afternoon or evening yourself a friend at Mike.
It's a long ways between where I am and you are.
But I'm just getting halfway through my day and you're
about ready to close it out.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well that's okay. It's a magic of you know, being
online twenty four seven, three sixty five. It feels like
we're neighbors and starting all over, which is a great thing.
And would be happy to talk about you doing beautiful Colorado.
You're now there. Fifty years professional business experience, fund development
consultant for many Christian nonprofit organizations nineteen sixty six, Graduate

(02:51):
University of Colorado. You serve with your wife on full
time staff at CRU which is Campus Crusade for christ
eighteen years, DEDICID thirteen years and developing, overseeing accelerated growth programs,
and serve vice president of Stewardship Strategies. And you have
a book called Intentional Living and Giving for getting old Larry,
tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You got it, man, You got it. Those are the highlights,
those are the up on the tops of the mountains,
and I kept on walking.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
There you go, There you go. Let's talk about how
you first got started.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, I graduated from University of Colorado, and the university
thought I was going to become one of those theater
arts teachers, English education, all that kind of stuff. When
I went to the University of Colorado, I saw myself
either Broadway or Hollywood. I was hooked on theater, and
I spent at least six years of my life just

(03:45):
getting into every aspect of the theater arts. And then
one day I was at the University of Colorado and
I started to realize that every one of my peers
in theater were acting role twenty four to seven. Nobody
was real They were all putting on a persona and
starting to act out that persona. And I was caught
up in that as well. When I got into theater,

(04:08):
it was two hours of being somebody else and then
you took off that costume and you're yourself again. But
the more you got into it, the more I saw
that people were just trying to live a life that
wasn't them a lot of the time, and I was
caught up on what in the world is life? Why
am I here? Where am I going? Those very typical questions.
It probably came because I was a junior at the university,

(04:31):
but it was also a life changing experience to say,
do I really want to pursue this forever? And about
that time I had a kind of a spiritual revival
in my own life, and I thought, doing this forever
and acting and playing out somebody else's life, I got
to get out of here. So I basically changed my
major in the school of education picked up on me

(04:54):
and thought they were creating a speech coach and a
drama coach and an English teacher, and I never taught
any of it. So I got out and started working
with students through the international organization called Crew Today, and
I did that for almost eighteen nineteen years. But the
story of my life started when I really discovered that

(05:17):
I was good at taking and making something from nothing,
and I found that to be true. In theater, you
took a script of a playing story, and within six
or eight weeks you were ready to produce that and
perform it for six or seven days. Then you would
close that show down and you would start another show,
but it always started with a script. It always started

(05:40):
with characters. It always started with creativity on the stage.
And I was quite good at taking and putting something
from nothing to something.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh so that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like that well. I saw that starting to be
something that I enjoyed more than I enjoyed being on
the stage just acting in front of the audience. I
did a lot of both, but I gravitated toward the
other kind of thing. But I ended up in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
working at the University of Pennsylvania, one of the Ivy
League schools, and that took me into just working with

(06:13):
college students here for a short time. But there was
an opportunity where we brought a music group into my
area and I was assigned the task of taking care
of this group for thirty days and touring them in
New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland, and Washington, DC.
And I didn't know anything, so I thought, well, if

(06:34):
I'm having them for thirty days, I'm going to work
them for thirty days. And I just about killed the
group off because we were traveling every day, doing concerts
every night, and it was very successful. But they were
exhausted because they were not used to that pace of things.
And after that summer was over, I was asked by

(06:55):
the leaders of that group if I would start advancing
them and setting concerts for that group all the following
year nine months of touring on the East Coast, and
then I could pace them. I could help them have
a day off to do laundry, you know, live a
normal life on the road, if you want to think
of it that way. That experience got me into putting

(07:18):
music groups together. They were spiritually oriented groups with a
lot of popular music. And we had a rock group,
we had a folk group, we had a classical group.
We had a group in Europe and a group in Asia.
So you know, there were all kinds of sounds and
for different strokes, for different folks, really, and I thought

(07:40):
I was going to do that for the rest of
my life. I love creating from scratch, figuring out what
the group should do, finding the right musicians, putting their
show together, and putting them on the road, and then
mentoring and coaching that group throughout the year. So I
was always traveling out to be with these groups that
were touring because it was always challenges when you put

(08:02):
young adults together, five to seven of them in a group,
and I thought I was going to be doing that.
That was my career choice for four or five years
and thoroughly loved it. And then I had a radical change,
for that job was no longer available to me, and
it became almost a crisis of my faith, in a

(08:22):
crisis of life. What do I do now? And the
vice president of the organization asked me to come and
see him in his office about ninety days after. I
didn't have a clue where I was going, and he said,
I got a problem, and I thought, maybe you're the
one that could help me figure it out. And he
opened what he says, come to my bathroom. His office

(08:45):
was in a converted hotel, so every office built, every
office had a bathroom. And I walked into that bathroom
and he pulled the shower curtain back from the bathtub
that was never used, and it was stacked with twenty
nine boxes up pledge cards totaling about a two million
dollar commitment that had been made ninety days before and

(09:06):
had been just put in his bathtub.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh, my goodness, I've never heard of that. Wow, it
was crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It was absolutely crazy. The word was, do you think
you can take this and do anything to follow up
these commitments? Because the commitments were made in early June.
I saw the boxes for the first time in late August,
and again it was taking something from nothing. One other
guy that was new to me. We knew each other

(09:33):
for ten minutes before the meeting. We took those boxes
and took them to a spare room and we said,
what do we do with this? This is called fund raising.
How do we go about making this reality? Can we
even make anything come from a pledge that's ninety days old?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well that was the beginnings of my journey into learning
what fund raising was. It was purely fundra at that time.
Mike Kid was at fundraising, so you'd see the difference.
Fundraising almost always in politics or sports or anything you
do out there, and in many secular nonprofits they would

(10:12):
do it. This way is an exchange that was yesterday
in the mail. I got something from a major nonprofit
in southern California, and for me giving them money, they
were wanting to give me a blanket to remember my gift.
Maybe it's a T shirt, maybe it's a hat, maybe
it's a signed picture of the president. Of an organization

(10:36):
they're fundraising always involves in exchange. So when you go
play golf, you know, for a charity, you're getting a
free You're getting to play golf with maybe a pro
in exchange for a five hundred dollars gift. So it's
not about the mission. It's about what I get as
a result of my gift. And the motivation is can

(10:58):
I ants? Can I intrigue you enough or manipulate you
enough that you will send money and I will send
you something else. Now, we were doing pretty good at
our little task of fundraising. We were exchanging and believe
it or not, of that twenty nine boxes of pledge cards,
we exceeded the amount of money that was pledged. So

(11:22):
it really did work out. But it was still a
feeling in my heart that all I'm trying to do
is entice people to do something that they may not
want to do so I can get the money and
entice them to give me. Again, my success was growing
in that area, Mike, and all of a sudden, I realized,

(11:43):
this is starting to work. I don't know what makes
it work. But there was no book, there was no manual,
there was no coaching, there was hardly anything out there
in this realm of what they would call fund development
or fundraising. And I was asked to go to a meeting,
and the meeting was the leadership of the organization, and
I was just a guy that was having a good

(12:05):
streak of winning, but I was not a leadership role.
And we were into a presentation on how you go
about raising a billion dollars of the organization, and there
was an argument going on about if you're going to
do that, you've got to begin to teach what they
call lifestyle stewardship. Nobody in the room knew what they

(12:27):
were talking about, uh huh, and nobody wanted to start
something new. So in this rather heated discussion, somebody said,
let's assign that task to Larry and see if you
can't figure that out for us. Now, later I realized
there was a ploy to get off subject. But I
wrote down on a yellow pad of paper, figure out
what lifestyle stewardship means and how does this fit into fundraising?

(12:51):
And at the bottom of the page, I wrote, Larry,
you got the freedom to fail. A friend of coached me.
He'd always told me, Larry, if you don't have the
freedom to fail, you're never going to try things, You're
going to live on the conservative side. But people that
make a difference are the ones that have the freedom
to fail. So I wrote that down. That was the

(13:13):
beginnings of learning, and we'll get into it a little
bit later maybe, but the book Intentional Living and Giving
is really the elements that came together and radically changed
what we did and probably put me on track for
the next thirty five years of helping Christian nonprofits raise

(13:35):
financial resources, some schools, some colleges, some secutor nonprofits, because
the principles behind this job are pretty much universal, but
I'm teaching people how to think differently. I would never
let my team ever use the word donor, and that's

(13:56):
a common word in the industry. A donor is somebody
that it's stuck in the arm with a needle and
you get a sugar cube.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Is an exchange, oh, like like blood donation that's as
sociation donation.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
That's a donor. And at the end of your giving
your pint of blood, they'll probably give you a sugar cube,
or they'll give you a cookie to reenergise your body
to replace. So there's an exchange there. Even in that context,
So I said, we don't have donors, we have partners,
and we're trying to help people become partners with us,

(14:31):
holding hands with us about the mission of what we're about,
not about what I get in exchange. And it radically
changed how we did everything we did in our fund
development work. And I took that a little small team
that was probably six or eight people by then twelve

(14:52):
years later we had one hundred and twenty five people
in seven departments working in the fund development arena. But
behind that was always helping people get a hold of
the concept, the vision, the heart and encouraging their giving
because they wanted to, whether they got anything in exchange

(15:12):
or not. And it radically changed how we saw funding
come in because people were no longer feeling like they
were being manipulated. They were doing it because they believed
in what they heard about. And whether it was helping,
you know, soup kitchens in the inner city, or it
was helping teach kids to read and write in a

(15:35):
certain part of the world, or doing other things, it
was about the mission and the heart behind that vision,
not about how can I just give them fifteen dollars
to get me a blanket or a T shirt type
of thing. So that was, you know, I'm giving you
a quick summary, but that got me into a very

(15:56):
radical change. It was life changing for me personally because
I never pursued that. I'm a preacher's kid by history.
I was born and raised a Grand Junction, Colorado, right
after the war, and my dad was a legile, little
church planner, and he hated talking about money because money
equated to his salary and to other things. And like

(16:18):
most pastors and preachers in any denomination, the money subject,
they just didn't like to get into exactly. Yeah, that's
what it was. It was they avoided it, and therefore
they weren't teaching anything that was really biblical about what
they were supposed to be doing.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Do you think the Bible verse in there too, it
says the love of money is the root of all evil?
Do you think that's part of it too? And I
know some people say money is the root of all evil,
but in reality, the love of money is the rute
of all evil. Do you think that's a part that.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yes, from absolutely, Mike. It ties into the picture. When
your focus becomes on getting money, first of all, you're
violating what of the core principles of who you are
when you think that way. And the Old Testament brought
into the principle of the tithe, and people talked about
the tithe, the vast majority of churches across America and

(17:11):
around the world today that talk about that, but are
hoping to get people to give up to ten percent. Well,
the tithe and the Old Testament wasn't ten percent. It
was twenty seven percent. It was the income tax of
the children, the children of Israel coming into the Promised
Land and the Old Testament, and they were given a

(17:31):
tithe to fund the leave of vedical priesthood, and they
were going to take care of the administration of their
system and widdows and orphans. That's where the money went.
And you gave two ties a year. On a third
year you had to give a third tithe. So it
averaged out about twenty seven percent, which is ironically pegged

(17:55):
right close to our income tax today. And it was
a sim it means of taxation. It was the way
you're going to fund our little community of Israelites. But
today we've interpreted the tie to mean ten percent, and
we're hoping we can get that far right. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not against people using ten percent, but if they

(18:17):
think they're doing something biblical, they're way off skelter because
in the Old Testament structure, that was the income tax
of the day.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And I remember too something about the tithing back in
the day too. If you didn't have like the mind
per se the gold, the silver or whatever it is,
you know, they give like, you know, food or cattle
or anything like that, even like maybe like a couple
of turtle doves or something. It's like or like the
harvest too, like it's wheat or whatever it is. You know,
that part was acceptable as well. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, Mike, That's where I got into it because I
realized that steward ship, as I understood, it was about
getting money for the church. That's what I thought it was.
When I started to get into the subject, I realized
there was basically five core principles that work off of that.
One of them is King David, the Great King of Israel,

(19:10):
when he raised the money to build Solomon's Temple, the
first temple that was ever built in Jerusalem. David raised
the money, but Solomon built the temple, and when they
had raised the tens of millions of dollars that it
took to build that temple. He had a prayer there
and he said, everything in heaven and earth is yours,
Oh God, and you are in control of everything. And

(19:35):
what David was really basically saying is all you've done
is entrusted to us what's yours, and you're asking us
to make a profit margin and return to you. Because
in the Book of Deuteronomy, one of the five books
of the Pennatou, God tells the people there, I don't
need your money, but I do need to have you

(19:57):
learn to keep me first in all things. And it's
amazing when you are giving money and giving your life,
you're realizing where it comes from. So if you realize
that God owns it all, and then you realize that
God is also a giver and everything you see about him.
In fact, the first few chapters of the Book of

(20:17):
Genesis is giving creation and the principles of creation, and
me puts this couple named Adam and Eve on the
scene in a garden. He didn't give them the garden
and walk away. He said, I want you to take
care of my stuff. I want you to steward what
I entrust to you. So their role was to be

(20:39):
a steward of all of God's possessions, and they were
simply managing his affairs on his behalf. Now they blew
it pretty badly. So the story goes downhill Snake and
the apple. That's how it yes and even there, and
we're caught by the same thing today. If you listen
to a lot of break TV preachers, deceptions hues out

(21:03):
huge out there today, and it's deception. Just like the
sneaky snake, as you mentioned, came into sight. He just
started misinterpreting and misquoting what God was saying and helping
Adam and Eve perceive things differently than what God had
ordered to the outline for him. But God was a
giver and he wanted Adam and Eve to learn to

(21:24):
be a giver. It was let us create man in
our image, and the image of God is to be
a giver, not a taker. So the love of money
is the root of all evil because that's taking, that's
not giving, that's that's becoming self centered and selfish, not
thinking of the needs of other people around you. A

(21:45):
third aspect of God's principle is that God wants us
to ask. He wants us to not only ask each other.
He wants us to ask and what we call prayer.
If we're talking about meditation and stuff like that. It's
not be because he doesn't know what we're thinking. But
he wants us to become dependent on his direction in
our life. And asking now we can get a yes

(22:08):
and no and a maybe and wait a while. Right,
you know, it doesn't come because I ask, I get
what I want. In fact, the worst thing for you
is a lot of times to get what you think
you need, because that could kill you off. I thought
I was going to be into music for the rest
of my life, creating music groups. And I had a
radical change. God said, no, that's not what you're doing.

(22:29):
I've got something else in store. It took me in
a very different trajectory than what I was in. But
if I realized that I need to be dependent on
each other. A few weeks ago, Mike I was speaking
at a men's breakfast at a church activity, and there
was probably about thirty five forty men there. And at

(22:50):
the end of it, everybody you know, got up and left,
and they started going out the door, and two people
were left in the room cleaning up the tables and
the chair and putting things away, And I thought, you know,
if they had have stood up at the end and said, men,
before you leave, I've got a request of you. Could
you pick up things on your table, take them to

(23:11):
the trash, and would you help us stack the chairs
and the tables. If they would have asked, probably seventy
percent of the men would have stayed another five minutes
and done what we asked to be done, because we
did not ask. In that environment, two men were doing
all the work. We are created to ask each other,

(23:33):
and we need to ask each other. It's not bad
news to say, friend, could you help in this way
or whatever the need might be. So asking is a
part of it. A four key principle in that whole
process of seeing what a steward is is to understand
what the law of the harvest. Now, if you're in
a farming community, you're around people that understand the law

(23:56):
of the harvest. Prepare you turn the soil, you plant,
you care you fertilize. You're carefully watching for insects and
things that would destroy the farming environment. Maybe it could
be a snowstorm, it could be bad weather, it could
be a locusts coming in and destroying a wheat field.

(24:20):
Whatever could happen. The farmer is managing on behalf of
the owner that acreage. Everything that it takes to see
a really good harvest comes in, and it's always six
to nine months after you plant the harvest. So the
law of the harvest is to manage what you take
care of. You've got to be responsible and intentional in

(24:43):
doing what you're gonna do. If you're going to see
a rep right harvest right, well, many times if you
don't realize that, you think, okay, I planted it, I'm
going to go on vacation now. No, the farmer always
goes on vacation after the harvest is in. He never
goes in the middle of the prep time or during
the harvest. He waits until everything is in, the calculations

(25:05):
are done, the inventory has been stored or shipped or sold,
and now the farmer can say, I can take a
bit of a break before I start the process again.
And then the exciting thing I really learned was that
I as I learned to be affect even my stewardship,
God can provide more and more to me. You know,

(25:25):
if I had a cup of coffee in front of me. Here,
I can fill it to the brim, and if you
were watching me fill it to the brand, you'd see Larry,
don't fill it any further. It's full well my coffee pot.
If I kept on pouring it would put coffee on
the floor, on the table, every place. You know, God's
pretty wise. He's not going to waste his stewardship on

(25:46):
a person that's not using it correctly. So in a sense,
God's saying, I will fill you to the brim, but
until you redispurs that what I gave to you, I'm
not giving you anymore. I'm not going to waste it.
I want to responsibility. So as I learned to give,
he's able to give me more. But I'm not giving

(26:07):
to get. I'm giving because it's a part of God's
nature to help me help others. So it's from God
to people, and it's people to people. What had happened
when I started seeing this come to light and we
started utilizing those core foundational principles under everything we did.
We were still very good at funder funding operations. That

(26:30):
wasn't the question, but our attitude about how we went
about doing it radically changed. And so now we were
engaging people because God wanted us to ask. He wanted
us to be givers ourselves. He wanted us to be generous.
He wanted us to take our time and do it right,
and he wanted to bless us abundantly. And that is

(26:51):
that is not a crioked, deceitful way of thinking. It's
a way that God made us to be. God said,
you're my friend, You're I want to walk with you,
and I want to turn you into an effective giver.
And so yes, if you looked in world today, there's
probably one hundred things, Mike, that the average person could
give away. And what are some of the things money? Right?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, and what are some of the things they can
give away? And how do they go about We'll find
out with author Leo Nano Intentional Living and Giving. But
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The Mic Winner's Show with Intentional Living and Giving, you
talk about the one hundred ways of giving, and one
of them is money, and what else is there? From
on the ninety nine now, I could probably say time.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
How do you give yourself away? Well, how about the
next door neighbor? Walk over and just spend fifteen minutes
listening to your neighbor. I'm not saying talk all the time,
but your ability to listen is also given him the
ability to process. It could be other things like encouragement.
It could be other kinds of help. Maybe my expertise

(30:04):
can help. For years I used you know, I professionally
use my expertise, but a lot of times I just
give my time and energy way because I'm trying to
help somebody else get off on the right foot. Years ago,
I was teaching a group of people some of the
concepts and as we were a bunch of young adults,
there was probably about fifty of us in this particular

(30:26):
small group. It was more than a small group, but
I asked them in forty five minutes, How many ways
can we come up to give? And they came up
within forty five minutes, brainstorming in small groups, one hundred
and twenty five different ways that we wow. And I said,
we already know the giving giving money is a possibility,

(30:49):
so we're going to put that down as money is
one of those Now what other things can we give?
And as they started to process together, they realized that
we can get everything and not have to ever write
a check because my expertise, my caring for somebody else,
my coaching or my mentoring, my listening ear of visiting

(31:14):
a person that's hurting and can't get out. It sounds
like we repeat ourselves in some of the ways there,
but there's many many expressions, and giving is money is
just one of those things. Now, it is true that
when you give money, you see tangible outcomes. So there's

(31:35):
a benefit to us when we do give money that
we can see something happen with it. You'd always see
something happen by giving fifteen minutes of listening time to
your neighbor or maybe to take over just you know,
a couple of oranges or some kind of thing that
they you think they may need, or want. That's a

(31:57):
you know, you don't see the tangible outs come up,
other than maybe able to thank you in a big hug, which.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Is right, yeah, or hey it was delicious, a compliment
and all that.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah. But what it does to for that individual that
you're helping is says, somebody really cares about me. And
many times loneliness drives people almost insane because they don't
have anybody that they really can begin to listen to
them inspire and feel like I've got a friend in life.

(32:27):
I was on the phone just a little bit ago
and a mother was talking about a ten year old
boy that's in the fourth grade this year, and he's
new to the school, so he's been a new kid
all year long. He came from another school and it's
been very difficult for him all year long to break
into the tribes that already exist because a lot of

(32:50):
these kids have grown up together in the same school environment,
so they knew it's ender in kindergarten, the first grade,
second grade, third grade. Now they're in fourth grade and
a new fourth grader comes on the scene, and because
they're so tribal driven, they're not embracing a new kid
into the tribe. His feeling is not his brilliance and

(33:11):
his ability to do the work, but his feeling is
a loneliness because nobody really wants him. Now, fourth graders
are not wired to think, oh, somebody is hurting out there,
I need to go help. They're just being fourth graders, right,
But the reality is because he's not gaining a good friend,
a relational connection, he feels sometimes isolated from the rest

(33:37):
of the world because he can't say, there's my best
friend at school. Okay, the best friend at school is
a kid that walks with him, and nobody's walking with
him right now. They're probably nice, they're probably not mad
at him, but they have not let him into their
circle of life. And we need to be in that life.

(33:58):
So you take a person that isolates himself, that never
gets out, the potential of suicide and harming themselves and
depression and defeat are all over the place because they
are not engaging with relationships. And we were designed for relationships,

(34:20):
so we are designed to help each other. We're designed
to look to the needs of other people. The apostle
Paul wrote to a group of people. They were living
in a Roman city called Philippi and he told them
in a letter to him, He says, I want you
to look out for the needs of each other. Don't
think about yourselves, think about the needs of other people.

(34:43):
That was one of the core teachings that he wanted
them to understand is you will be much better off yourself.
And not only it will you be better off, but
you're going to be helping meet the needs of others.
So the whole spirit behind this idea is I need
to wake up and I do this almost every morning.
I'll wake up and before I jump out of bed,
I'll say, Okay, what is in store for me today

(35:06):
to help influence the life of somebody else. It could
be a phone call, it could be you know, something
I might say to a person checking my groceries at
a grocery store. We don't know where it's going to be.
But when you're open to being an influence on the
wives of others, then you had the potential of starting

(35:27):
to pick up the characteristics of what you were made for.
In the book, Mike, I call this being an authorized
wealth distributor. Good point the authorized wealth distributor as one
who is sensitive to giving away God's wealth and resources
into the hands of other people, and I even provide

(35:49):
them a job description and what they can do to
be fulfilled as an authorized wealth distributor here. But it's
becoming intentional about how I live my life. I'm not
living it just to survive. I'm living it so that
I can help somebody else live their life. And I
think a lot of times my people get caught up

(36:11):
in crisis. Maybe they lose their job, they go through
a divorce, they lose the spouse or a loved one
through death, and they think, oh man, this is the
world's falling apart around me. That's the first thing we
think about. It could be that those are the very
things that are going to take you to the next
level if you allow those things to do so. I

(36:34):
mean personal illustration is ten years ago, my wife, at
forty five years contracted almost within a week or two
of gailio blestoma brain tumor. Oh wow, glio blastoma is
I had no idea they even existed until the doctor
told me what she had, and I couldn't even spell it.

(36:54):
Those are three long words, gallio blestoma, malta foma. I
think I'm early.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I came, I said, don't worry about.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It, and luckily in the industry they call it GBM.
A GBM is a gilliloblastom amount to phone a brain tumor. Now,
a GBM is a tumor, so it's encased. But the
encasement also has tentacles like a jellyfish. So they call
it a terminal disease because the tentacles of the tumor

(37:24):
get waged down into the folds of the brain and
they cannot get all of the tumor out. They can
take out the encasement, they can take out eighty to
ninety percent. But I came home that first night when
I learned that mic and I thought, what in the
world I could even begin to spell the three words?
So I said, up my computer, and I thought, where
am I going to look? Well, that scares me to

(37:45):
death because I don't trust a lot in that world.
But I thought John Hopkins University a male clinic would
be two names that maybe would give me some honest truth.
And I typed in male clinic out of Rochester, Minnesota,
and I first thing I saw in this disease, I thought, Okay,

(38:05):
it's a disease is terminal. This is the first paragraph
you're going to read about it if you go to
Mayo Clinic or John Hopkins. Both of them did this
to me. It's a terminal disease, and this is the
way we've learned to treat this disease well. She lived
another eighteen months beyond that time because she had major surgery,

(38:27):
did very well for most of her recovery time. The
quality of life is what they're aiming for. They are
not trying to get all the tumor out. They can't.
If they do that, they're going to your eyesight, your
ability to swallow everything else because your brain is highly complex.
Right now, what I've said to you ten years ago,

(38:48):
I can't wait for my wife to die of a
brain tumor so I could live on. No, I was
living almost in a sense of numbness at the moment
of time. I was busy being a caregiver for eighteen
months of my life in the middle of all that.
But I would say as a result of her death
and what I learned, I became a far better individual

(39:11):
because I was learning things that I never knew I
was going to learn. And I'm better today for the
experience I went through. Now, does that mean I never
felt lonely and grieving and sorrow. I had some of that,
but you know, most of that became just a part
of my growth period. You know, we've all got our
muscle system will go out on us if we don't

(39:34):
use our muscles, and there's a faith muscle. If we're
not using faith to trust for what is coming, then
we're going to become a knemik in that particular area.
So muscles have got to be used. And so in
life today, you've got to be testing. You've got to
let the world bring sometimes chaos and say, now, how

(39:55):
do I grow out of that chaos? Because I will
be better on the backside if I just embrace the
fact that this is a time of growth, not a
time of chaos, because many people are stuck. I've seen
people still grieving five and ten years after somebody dies
because they had underresolved issues or whatever the reason was.

(40:19):
And I know everybody grieves differently, but the grieving is
an emotional process that we need to go through. But
the question should not be I'm going to grieve for
the rest of my life. How am I going to
live with the rest of my life? And how do
I benefit from this turnaround from this collapse financially or

(40:40):
from the divorce or whatever those issues are. How do
I come out better rather than come out worse? So
I am a big all the time. I think I'm
an authorized wealth distributor. How do I just learn from
my daily experience today so that I could be helpful
accomplishing the mis that God put me on?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
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think that's a great point as well too. Some people
do start with a strong purpose and how do they
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Speaker 3 (43:24):
Amazing author of fifty years professional business experience and fund development,
Larry Nan here Mike Wadner's show. With the intentional living
and giving, there's people that do have a strong vision
of what they want to do, but then somewhere along
the way they screw up as well. What are some
of the ways they can do that without screwing up
and just staying on course too, without messing up or

(43:44):
doing foolish things.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Well, one of the ways people mess up is they
think they can do it all by themselves. And we're
spiritual beings, whether we like it or not. And so
there's a really spirits, a spiritual tone to all of this,
and that's recognizing who's really in control. Now. My life
and my experience in theater came when I came to
grips of the fact that I was seeing my faith

(44:08):
as being a religious process. I was not living my faith.
I was just going through the rituals of the faith
and traditions and rituals can be helpful, but when that's
the way we're living, pretty soon you say I can
kiss that off and forget it. So that's the very
foundation of all of this is I've got to be

(44:29):
dependent on who made me in the first place, and
that wasn't my mom and dad. I came here with
a purpose. So I think there's a part of that
as recognizing who we are. The second part is yielding
myself over to the power that has been given to
me by God himself. So I'm a big believer in

(44:49):
trusting and depending on my spiritual heavenly father. If we
would talk in those terms, some people have different words
for him, but you've got to be connected with him,
or this life becomes pretty boring. I know I'm here
because of what I was designed to be. And then
I think there's we've got to give ourselves some grace.

(45:11):
I think sometimes we can beat ourselves up so much.
You know, we can look back to a bad experience
and we're stuck on that. We don't know how to
get around it. We've got to learn to say, you know,
I am going to walk away from that, and I'm
going to walk into a new day with a new
purpose and a new direction. So if there's somebody listening today,
you know they got feelings like that. I can't get

(45:33):
there from here. Yeah you can. It's a matter of
your choice. It may take some work, it may take
some special in therapy, it may take counseling of some type.
But anybody can move forward if that's a choice they make.
I can also choose to not move forward and live

(45:54):
a miserable, cantankerous life for the rest of my existence.
And so I think there some intentionality that's got to come.
I chose the name of the book Intentional Living and Giving,
because I want people to realize they've got to decide
they're going to do it. Intentionality is saying I will
do this. I will choose to go this direction. If

(46:18):
I was to leave my home today and drive to Dallas, Texas,
I would have to drive east. If I was going
to go to Seattle, Washington, I would be going north.
I can't get on the freeway and go to Seattle
in Dallas. At the same time, I've to decide intentionally
where I'm going to go and then take the steps

(46:41):
are necessary to get to that particketar destination. So the
first step along that way is I'm going to choose
to start to live a life that's thriving, not a
life of depression. That's a choice, and then I will
start to learn how to do that. There's some learning
involved in this process. So you know, in my personal

(47:02):
experience a few years ago, when I wrote the book
Intentional Living and Giving and I saw you holding it
up there, I'll put it like this here. I guess
this is a good way to see it.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
That's a great spot here. You don't go like this
like this and you can whole harve you want it
too there you go or flash like.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
This, Well, what you've got there is. This is what
it looks like. But you can go into Barnes and Noble,
you can go into Amazon, you can go into any
of your choice places to find books and just ask
for intentional living and giving and this is what you're
going to find. It was created because I was with
a group of Europeans about three years ago and they

(47:41):
were talking about they didn't know where they could find
content in the European continent that would help people start
to live this way. And I thought, well, I know
what the content is. I've been there and done that.
I wrote another book in the eighties that touched on
a lot of the same principles. This is for the
Z generation, the younger crowd. Now younger could be anybody

(48:02):
that's still alive in walking, So there's no magic on that.
But what I did is I took nine chapters and
I helped unpack the stewardship principles of life. And in
the latter nine chapters are okay, now that you understand
those principles, how do you practically live out the life?

(48:23):
And so the book becomes almost a guidebook of living
because I'm going to touch on subjects that you're probably
thinking of and you don't know what to deal with.
But it's also take you down spiritual journeys. How you
use failure and defeat, how you use a direction. You know,
I knew I was going to be a music producer,

(48:46):
and God took me on a left hand turn and
I didn't have a clue where I was going to go.
God was saying, I just got something else in store
for you. God's got surprises out there.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
In our life, we think that life is a straight
line and if I just live long enough, I'm going
to die and I'll be where I want to be.
Life is never a straight line. Even if I was
to drive to Seattle, Washington, I'm going to go through hills,
over valleys. I'm going to be going south when I
thought I was going north, because the road is going

(49:19):
to take me different ways. And we just got to
recognize that our journey can be quite exciting as we
navigate the curves, but all the time we know where
we're going. So if you know where you're going, then
the navigation of the curves are only things that make
you stronger. So that's what I really want, you know.

(49:40):
The my line of this particular book was discovering purpose,
igniting abundance, and thriving as the steward of God's blessing.
And really I just want people to learn to thrive
because there's no reason to live in defeat.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Right, And I think that's a great point as well
too that maybe think of the talent in in the
Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, where you know, you know,
one was given ten talents and say, you know, you know,
do with this, and man's giving five talents and one
person one talent, and then you had the ten talents,
here's what I did. Well done, good job, you go
to you go upstairs, and then the five towns he goes, well,

(50:17):
I can only do with this, but look what I've done. Hey,
good job and everything, but the one talent he just
threw it away. And there was a big lecture that
can apply basically to like like with money, stewardship, or
even like trying to find where he wants your career
as well too. I've had that before. It's like okay,
I have these talents. It can be skills, it can
be like you know what you're gonna do, and money

(50:39):
everything like that. And if a person doesn't doesn't know
what to do with these talents? What's the best advicing gift?
Even like trying to find direction and job money, everything.
It's like, how can a person help with that?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Well, you know, Mike, what I've done. I'm a big
I believe we can do a lot of analysis of ourselves.
The Clifton Stringfinders is a tool that I came across
some years ago, and it really is a very diagnostic,
helpful tool that helps a person figure out what his
strengths are. And what's Stringfinder? But it's put out by

(51:16):
the Clifton organization out of Omaha, Nebraska. But it's called Stringfinder,
and you can go on the web and find Stringfinder.
What it's going to do by going through a simple test,
It's going to help you identify your top five strengths.
And it's going to also help you out of fifty
different categories, your five worst things, your your weaknesses, so

(51:40):
the five or ten tops you want to focus on
your strengths. I do not believe a person's got to
focus on all their weaknesses in life. I need to
know what they are. For instance, in my life, if
you said, Larry, help me with an accounting problem, I'll
guarantee you you're talking to the wrong person. Math has
done that. Analytics is not my thing in that way. Now,

(52:02):
I'm good at a lot of other things. But I'm
good at maximizing things. I'm good at planning things. I'm
good at being accountable to make things happen. I'm good
at taking something from nothing and turning it into something.
I know it takes people and connecting this. To do
all of that, I need to focus on all of
those things that make me strong, and then I need

(52:27):
to let somebody else. I need to hire people that
are good in my weakness to help me in their strengths.
There are good people that love numbers. Well, I want
those people helping me because that's not my that's not
my strength. Now here's the thing about those We can
be trained and equipped to even do weaknesses. But you

(52:48):
know what's going to happen when you do weakness. At
the end of the day, you're going to be exhausted.
I bet you're going to be just tired out because
you're working in something that you were not creating to be. Now,
I still got to do my finances. I've still got
to handle money. I've still got to make certain kinds
of decisions in you know, I call it getting deep

(53:11):
into the weeds of life. When I do those kind
of things, I enjoy some of them, but I'm not
good at those things. Like I am my five or
six strengths. So in my stewardships as a person that
God has created as an authorized wealth distributor, I need

(53:31):
to be using my strengths to help advance what I'm doing,
not looking for the weaknesses. But if you don't know that,
you can wander around trying to do your weakness and
turn it into a strength. I've heard people say, well,
you've got to find a weakness and just work on
it for a while. Well, I guess you got to

(53:51):
work on But that's but we're crazy to do that
with everybody. Mike, your giftedness in front of a microphone
is not what I would do in life. I enjoyed
this part of it, but I'm not going to be
doing what you did, and you're not going to do
what I did. Between the two of us, we can

(54:12):
help a lot of people because we've got skills and
abilities to help them, and so enjoy doing what your
strength is and helping people through that. Strength, and so
I want people to say, Okay, I've been stuck in
the mud for a long time. I don't know where
I'm going. Many people probably feel like they've been in

(54:35):
a carnival bumper car ride where you go around in
circles for about six or seven minutes. Is being thrown
all over the place. Life is not a bumper car experience.
Life is full of purpose and direction and meaning, and
once we get our handle on that map, we can thrive.

(54:56):
If we don't do that, we're going to be waiting
for the electricity so we can be bumped around some
more in the bumper cars. And that is not what
life is all about. It's not a win lose, win, lose,
win lose, or why am I here? Where am I going?
If we're thinking negatively, we're going to end up looking
to potential suicide. Mental health issues are going to become predominant.

(55:21):
Many of our issues in life is because we are
confused about what our purpose is. And if we can
get back to that, I believe there's a strong component
of faith in it. I believe it's a strong component
of me being intentional. You know, I can sitder around
saying okay, God, I should go do X, but I'm
going to set in my charity. You get me there, well,

(55:43):
twenty four hours later, I'll still be sitting in my chair, right.
I never chose to get out of the chair.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
And I think that's important as well too. It's I
don't send her buch twenty fours to day of watching netlegs.
And lastly, if you pick a lesson from the International
Living and Giving what you've done, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
What would I do? What the lesson I learned is
just learn to give yourself away the way God created
you to do in the first place, and find And
the reason I'm encouraging intentional living and giving is I
know it's just a handbook and you can get it
to I think if on my website you can get
a free copy if you want to go on there

(56:26):
and just get the download a copy onto your tablet
or however you watch it, get a copy of it,
but get a copy for somebody else, because you probably
in your listening audience have people that says, my aunt
or my friend next door or my buddy over here
is stuck and they just don't seem to get out
of the groove. You could be a big blessing to say,

(56:47):
just read the first four or five. If it grabs you,
read the next four or five. And once you get
over and this book's going to help you have plans
of getting you down the road. I want to see
you thrive. I don't want to see you frustrated.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
And I think that's a great idea, right, And what's
your website again? And how they get a hold of you?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Two ways? You can just get the book by any
place they sell books, intentional living and giving. If you
want to converse and talk a dialogue a little bit,
you can go to Larryonan at Larry Larry at Larrynan
dot com, Larry at Larrynan dot com, larrynand dot com
is just my website. I do blogs on there. You

(57:27):
can get the book there if you want to sign
a copy, but many people don't care about so much
to sign. They just want to get a hold of
the book. So you know, go to the nearest place
that sells books and they'll get you the book. It's
easy to get it that way. And if you want
to converse with me personally, just go to Larryonan dot
com and you'll see a way where you can connect

(57:47):
with me, and I'm glad to interact a little bit.
My job is to get myself away, so if I
could be helpful with somebody, I'd be glad to converse.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
And I think that's a great idea as well too.
You're an excellent resource, Larry very inspired. We here with
author Larry on Nandov Intentional living and giving hair of
the mike. Whenners show Larry just a few things, what
else can we expecting? Twenty twenty five and beyond.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Well and my age, my expectation is I'm going to
probably still do a little bit of consulting with Christian nonprofits.
I still serve on four boards. I still help churches
deal with governance matters because I kind of become a
coach and a mentor for that. I have six grandkids
and so I spend time with him. I've got a

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twenty three year old on one side and a fourth
grader on the other, so I've got to learn to
play all kinds of things, a couple of gals in
the middle of it with some boys. But I'm just thriving,
and I think at eighty one, I've got a good
distance to go. So I'm going to keep on going.
I'm still in my living and giving.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
And that's great idea. We all should be doing that,
living on giving. And who do you consider biggest influence
in the career In my.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Career, probably a teacher in my high school days probably
got me going out of the box. And then from
a spiritual point of view, the scripture the Saint Paul
continues to help me with wisdom all the time from
his letters. He was a rabble rouser, pretty tough character

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out there, but he had a lot of good things
to say. So, you know, I don't see people in
this day and age that I totally look up to,
although I've got a lot of peers that I admire,
But I've got to go back to get some really
solid wisdom to keep on going. So, you know, even
with some of the things you were holding up there, Mike,
I got to go out there and find him. You

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got it.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
And that's a great thing. And you know how to
do that, Larry. And what's the best advice you can
give the aim by at this.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Point, keep on living and keep on giving.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
And I think that's well said too here. It's amazing
author Larry or Nandov Intentional living giving here The Mike
Wadners Show, Larry Baby the thank you. Time you've been
apps amazing, learned a lot looking foreham soon keeps up
to date, keep in touch, lavavy back and what's your website?
How do people contact you? Ring people purchase or check
out your book?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Larrynan at larrynand Larry Larynan dot com. That's all there
is to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
It and we all check that out once again, Larry,
very big, thanks you time you've been apps a fantastic
looking ford haaven soon keeps up to date, keep in touch,
lavavy back. We wish our best and Larry, you definitely
have a great feature.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Thank you very much. Blessing to be with you, Mike.

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