October 17, 2025 • 108 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Friends.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Its podcast podcasting time John zackigain by Heah. They're talking
about Groom Black.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I guess Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three twenty eight,
brought to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zachi Hasan.
I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
How's it going, Zachy?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hey Man. October is almost in the rear view, so
we're hell I know, I know. The crazy thing, honestly
is that is that we're we're basically two and a
half months away from the end of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm still you know, Usually there's that weird thing where
like the new number for the year in January looks
kind of exotic where you're like, whoa, that's a new number.
It just looks so new and fresh and exciting, and
then it kind of wears off throughout the year and
you get used to it. Like I'm still not used
to twenty twenty five. That still feels fresh and new
to me in a weird way. So I can't believe it.
(01:01):
I can't believe we're already here.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I feel like we're still in twenty fifteen, and if
I'm being honest, I kind of wish we were still in.
That was a good year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That reminds me for a long thing in my mind
that I won't get into. But it brings me to Halloween.
Do you guys dress up? Do your kids still go out?
I mean you have some young'in's, do you have a
Do you ever go out with them and dress up?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I definitely don't dress up. I used to go trig
or treating with them.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That got old fast, how so like just wandering the sidewalks.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, it's weightedious. Yeah, I don't like any of that.
So I don't even know. To be honest, I don't
know what the protocol is. I don't think they go
trick or treating. I mean, I'm not stopping them, just
to be clear, but I think they maybe kind of
past it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah yeah, And I know, and you know, I don't
have kids, so these are things I pick up from
other people. But I know there's like this whole new
thing now where basically people that you know meet in
parking lots and kind of like open their trunks up.
So you're not just going to strangers' houses to get candy.
You're sort of having the experience, but you're doing it
amongst a group of people that you know.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's so, is this just fear of going to strangers houses?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I just I know
that's a thing that can like happen like sometimes in
church parking lots or mall parking lots or something. I've
had friends tell me they do that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, we used to do a thing like they used
to have trick or treat at the mall.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, right, right right, And we.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Have a mall, or we had, I should say, I'm
all very very close to our house, you know, so
we used to just take them around. But that mall
is just a desiccated husk of a thing now, so
I don't I don't think there's a much of anything
going on there anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
All I know is Halloween night. That's when I turn
off all the lights and tell all everybody in the
house to shut the hell up. That's that's how I roll.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
You guys are all under the table, yeah, rings like, yeah,
that's funny.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's like hiding from the raptors. Yes, but what have
you been up to?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh man, let's see, Well I watched a few things. Actually,
everything I've watched lately, I've kind of enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So that's good. Is that a little tell about our
discussion later in the episode? Will see?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Eh, you know, I wasn't gonna mention this, but I'll
just throw it out there because I finished it so recently.
But I watched an older movie called Devil in a
Blue Dress A yeah, with the d intel uh huh
from nineteen ninety five Don Cheatle playing a sort of
smaller but very memorable role, and it's just this cool
nineteen forties, you know, la noir, and when you know,
(03:46):
it's a guy who begins he just needs work, and
so he decides he'll spy on someone for money, and
then he gets, of course sucked into this big conspiracy
and by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Easy Rollins that's the character's name.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Holy crap, is that off the top of your brain.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I saw that movie when it came out, and that's
like the that's the only thing I remember about that
movie is easy Rollins. I just thought that was a
cool name.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ezekiel, right, yes, yeah, yeah, dude, your mind will never cease.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Fascinatingly, it's it's a it's a it's an overgrown labyrinth.
Of a thing in there.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's incredible. Well it's it's from director Carl Franklin, who
I'm not super familiar with, but as I was watching it,
I looked it up because I was like, who directed this?
I love the style, like it's it's not uh over
the top, it's just perfectly suited. And anyway, and then
when it was over, yeah, you know, when the mystery
(04:42):
is is finished, you know, easy is like, ah, you know,
maybe I'll give this a shot being a PI Let's
see how that goes. And immediately I went to Amazon
to see if there were books because I was like,
I want to read these books. I like this character,
I like this world. So yeah, apparently a Criterion put
out like a Blu ray or whatever of it a
(05:03):
couple of years ago. So I assume it's streaming on
their channel, and yeah, it's it's not too hard to find.
But anyway, I yeah, if people want to see like
a young Denzel crushing it in a nineteen forties La noir,
it's like almost ninety minutes, you know, it's just a
little over that. It just breezes by and I don't know,
exudes style that I really enjoyed. So yeah, it's kind
(05:25):
of a still swelling in my brain, so I figure.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'll bring it up. Well, Well, Carl Franklin he did
two movies. One is he did to two movies that
I remember. One is one True Thing I don't know,
which is very good. It's like a family drama with
William Hurt and Meryl Streep as a married couple, Reneeselwegger
(05:48):
as their daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I remember, I just googled it. I remember this poster.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, it was. That was like probably right around the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Time we met, you know, yeah, ninety eight. Okay, that's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And then and then he did a movie called Out
of Time, Yes, which I remember thinking was okay, I
don't remember much about it. That was also at Denzel.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yes, yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Starring Denzel Washington and Dean Kane the one and only
time in history. Wait you will be able to utter
Dean Kane? Yeah? No, Yeah, maybe I'm thinking of another film.
This is Eva Mendez is in it and oh Man, interesting. Yeah,
I'm just kind of scrolling through his stuff right now. Yeah,
(06:33):
I think I am thinking what was the other one. Oh,
I've been thinking of the Tony Scott one. Oh Man
on fire.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No, there was another one that didn't involve like science fiction.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Deja vu, DejaVu.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's sorry, that's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that was not a good movie.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, but I'm curious out of time and then one
false move. I know that title. So I'm thinking, yeah,
I want to dig into this guy's filmography here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, some interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, but some other stuff I watched a little more recent,
not that that makes it any better, but something that
recently dropped was this documentary called.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I Like Me. Yeah, man, I need to see this.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah. So it's a documentary about the life of John Candy, and.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I've been actually thinking I may wait and watch it
closer to Thanksgiving. That's kind of been in my thought
process right now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. You know,
it's and for people who aren't familiar. I mean, I
was shocked to see that he passed away in the
year nineteen ninety four. I was like, Wow, has it
really been that long?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think one of his most famous roles, of course,
is Del Griffith and planes, trains, and automobiles, which is
just iconic and no one else could have played that role.
Like he did Uncle Buck, Spaceballs, cool Runnings, great Outdoors,
and he you know, has memorable supporting roles and home
Alone and vacation and Blues Brothers. But he's just one
(07:58):
of a kind, you know, kind of a hearty fellow
who had like a a really sincere, warm smile, but
like maybe a hint of heartbreak behind the eyes. And
so he brought that to all his roles and it
just made you love the guy. And it's what's interesting
about the documentary is it begins with Bill Murray basically saying,
(08:19):
I don't know if you're going to find anyone to
say thing negative about this guy. And it's kind of true.
And I did read one review about it afterwards where
they gave it a lower rating for that reason, whereas
like they didn't really dig in, and I was like,
you know, I understand, I understand, like they this isn't
(08:41):
a movie that's like searching for dark places or like
if something was a little bit of a hard moment
for him. It doesn't like really dig into that, right,
And that's fair. But to me, though, I don't see
that as a flaw. I look at it. What they
were trying to create here was a celebration of a
person who people may not remember as well all these
(09:03):
years later, and for people like us who did grow
up with him, we get to spend time with some
of his closest friends telling stories about him, and including
his children, tell stories, and you get to see a
lot of clips, a lot of you know, things of
course you recognize, but things from SCTV which I hadn't
seen before. Actually, Conan O'Brien talks about the first time
(09:27):
he saw John Candy and it was from this sketch
and he says that that sketch rewired his brain. And
they show the sketch and I burst out laughing. It
was so unexpected and funny.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
The first time I ever saw John Candy was on SCTV. See,
you know, SETV.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I remember being something that was on late at night.
And I don't mean this in a negative way per se,
but to my younger brain it almost felt like Bootleg SNL,
which is funny because as a kid that was a
negative thing, but as in a that almost seems like
a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah you know what I mean, that's really see. I
didn't see SNL until later, Oh okay, yeah, I because
I remember visiting edmundon Summer of eighty seven, and my
cousin was like, oh my god, this show so funny,
and it was SCTV, and I just remember John Candy
because his name Candy, right, and as a little kid,
you're like, oh, that's like a memorable name.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And then it was only later that I found oh,
he's in all these movies, you know, Oh interesting, But
I knew him and Eugene Levy. I first was introduced
to them on on SCTV.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh how funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean, well
that leads me to something that I thought once it
was finished, Well, real cook, I do want to make
a woman note like it's this is It's gonna make
you laugh, but it'll also make you tear up because
the guy was just so endearing, and you know, some
of the things they get into is, you know, his
weight is a big factor in his life. It's part
(10:54):
of what he brought to his roles and made him
seem like a very huggable sort of figure. But it
was also something that you know, may have contributed to
his early passing, right. And they show a lot of
interviews where people are less than gracious talking about it
or addressing it to his face, like the archival stuff. Yes, sorry, yes,
(11:17):
the archival stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And one of the moments that actually generally made tears
come out of my eyes and not just tear up
was this Candy is talking to this woman, I'm not
sure who she is, this journalist, and he's talking about
how he chooses he's choosing family over a fast lifestyle
because he wants to be here for a long time,
(11:41):
And without even thinking, the interviewer just immediately puts her
hand on his shoulder and is like, do stay that
way please, like she genuinely cares about him and wants
him to be around for a long time. And it just,
I don't know, it just brought all these emotions in
me because I felt the same thing looking at him,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So, and another thought that I thought was kind of interesting.
I thought that I thought was interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
My thought.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Was when it was over and it was showing the
credits and all the people who were talking about them.
I mean, it's Steve Martin, Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy, Martin short,
Conan O'Brien, and I was like, oh, I love all
these people, you know, Like what a nice group of
really talented humans who when I think of those people specifically,
(12:28):
I think about the nice energy they put into the world,
you know, And these are the people who admire Candy.
These are the people who are close to Candy, And
these are the people I'm gonna I don't want to
lose either, you know, Like I just it some you know,
it brought my attention to what an interesting and genuine
collection of people participated in this, and I just think
(12:49):
all of that contributes to the warm feelings. And it's
on Amazon Prime and for fans of Candy or just
casual fans who you know one of, like I said,
one sort of spend time with him, hear about him
being kind of celebrated by his friends, or just learn
who he was because maybe your dad showed you spaceballs
and you'd like to learn a little bit more about him.
(13:09):
I think I think this is a nice This is
time well spent.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
This past weekend, just by chance, my brother was visiting
and I was on YouTube and there was the clip
from Plain Strings and Automobiles, you know, in the hotel
room when when Neil just goes off, you know, and
you know, the a chatty Kathy Chattykathy do yah, And
and I was saying, I don't remember if I said
(13:35):
this in our commentary track, which is, you know, a
while ago. But like, the reason that scene works so
well is the fact that we keep playing it off
of Dell's reaction yep, right, how we keep cutting it now.
You can imagine another version where you would just be
on Steve Martin for the whole time and he'd be
laughing hysterically. But the movie never lets you do that, yep,
(13:56):
because every single time you're forced to reckon with the
hurt that words are causing. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And the way that Candy specifically can go from this
like very very genial guy on the plane, ah, you
know whatever, to like wounded.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I mean, it's just a no one else could have
brought what Candy did to that role. And for I mean,
it's obviously we bring that movie up a lot, We've
done a commentary for it. But but if anyone out
there hasn't seen planes, trains and Automobiles, I can't think
of a movie that I more wholeheartedly recommend to you.
I think it's lovely, a lovely little miracle of a film. Yeah, yeah,
(14:36):
well said, and then also I didn't plan to catch this,
but I had an opportunity and I was kind of curious.
But I saw this movie called roof Man.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
So this is a Channing Tatum Kirsten Dunst, and I'd
seen the trailer a couple months back, and basically it's
about it's a true story, or based on a true story,
about this guy who they call him Roofman because he
would go to the roofs of McDonald's bust through where
(15:13):
he would wait for the crew to show up in
the morning. Then he'd put them in the walk in
refrigerator and rob them. But what's unique about it is
everybody was always saying how nice he was, you know,
and when he would put them in the refrigerators, if
they didn't have coats, he would give them his coat,
you know, like they're like, well, yeah, he was kind
of like a nice guy, like you know, they all
(15:34):
had like nice things to say about him. So anyway,
he gets busted, and this is all on the trailer.
This is the setup for the story. He gets busted
after I want to say, hitting forty five McDonald's, and
you know he's a family and kids. He gets put
in jail and he's just desperate to see his kids again,
and so he figures out a way to escape. And
(15:56):
while he's waiting for the heat to cool down, while
everyone's search for him in the area, he holds up
in a Toys r Us. So that's what you see
in the trailers, like, you know, they sell it sort
of as a bouncy you know. So he had to
hide and the Toys r Us and it's him on
those wheelie shoes, you know, with teddy bears on his
shoulder and sunglasses and a feather boa and like, and
(16:17):
it was a blast. And while he's there, because he
needs to make sure that no one's on to him
and he wants to monitor people, he does he sets
it literally, he sets up baby monitors around the store
so he can kind of keep tabs on people. And
in the process he kind of falls for an employee
played by Kirsten Dunst, and she's having a toy drive
(16:39):
at her church. He's hiding out on a toy store,
so he brings all the toys to her church, meets her,
and they start falling for each other. And that's the setup.
That's the thing. So when I saw the trailer, I
was like, that looks different. That just looks like a
nice human story, and so I went to check it
out and I got to say, I really really like
this movie a lot. But I think is interesting though,
(17:01):
is it's not the bouncy, feel good comedy the trailer
makes it out to be, because I mean, when you
really think about it, it's very sad. I mean, this
guy is kind of, you know, making selfish decisions that
keep him from his family he wants to be so
close to. And then it's very sweet how he falls
for this character, Christian Dunz's character, and she has these
(17:24):
daughters and he you know, endears himself to them. But
there's sort of that, you know, like movies like The
Departed or Donnie Brascow, where like these people are developing
relationships under false pretenses and so you know there's inevitably
like the bottom has to drop out and things have
to be revealed and it's not going to be good.
And so this movie is very fun and I laughed
(17:48):
a lot, and Chanting Tatum just brings he's just perfected
that sort of charming goofball thing. Now he's gotten very
very good. I think as an actor, and it makes
that character very likable. But there is a twinge of
melancholy that kind of runs through the whole film at
the same time, and I was really into it. I mean,
(18:10):
I just didn't know where the movie was going. And
by virtue of it being a true story, I mean,
it can feel a little shaggy because it just kind
of has to follow the events as they happened and
not invent things to put twists and turns and things
into it. But I was engaged the whole way, and
my theater was too. I saw it on a Tuesday
night and my theater was full. And when it ends,
(18:31):
well and everybody's laughing, everybody's gasping, you know, making sounds.
And then when the movie ends, you know, half the
theater gets up as soon as the credits start. And
then during the credits, they showed interviews with the actual
people who were involved. So, okay, here's some Dun's character,
the pastor from the church, blah blah blah blah blah,
and everybody who had stood up, stopped like stopped and
leaned against a wall or took a new seat because
(18:53):
everyone wanted to see these people talk about the real experiences,
and so to me, I was like, well, so this
movie succeeded, but it was just kind of a bummer
because you know, it didn't perform great. I think it
opened to about eight million. I don't know that. I'm
seeing a lot of people talking about it, and it's
it's just one of those weird movies. It feels like
it's from another era, you know, and it's it's a
(19:16):
little too nuanced to feel like a Netflix film, but
it doesn't feel awardsy enough that I think it'll be
brought up a lot during award season. It's just like
a good adult dramedy about people. And I really enjoyed it.
And if that sounds interesting to anybody, I would I
would definitely recommend it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, I I definitely want to see that, so that
that's been on my on my radar for sure, I.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Think you and Amena would really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, that's I'm hoping we can sneak away and watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, how about yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You know, I saw a great documentary this past week
called My Mom Jane. Okay, I don't know this which
is which is on HBO. I think it's been on
there since the Summer. But this is directed by Marishka
hargatee oh this yeah, okay. She she of Law and
Order Special Victims Unit.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And so.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The documentary is about her her mother, who's Jane Mansfield, right,
famous actress from the fifties and sixties. You know, she
was a sex symbol in the Marilyn Monroe vein. And
she died young in an automobile accident. Right, And Muska
hargate was three at the time her mother died. She
was actually in the car. Oh wow, yeah, along with
(20:28):
her her siblings. But so she's she has grown up
and become a star and in her own right, you know,
And she's always grappled with the fact that obviously she
didn't she didn't have any real memory of her mom,
and only the only image of her available is this
sort of manufactured sex bomb, right, right. And so this
(20:50):
is a movie about her trying to find her mom,
essentially by virtue of connecting with her siblings or many siblings.
But it's more than that. I mean, it's a it's
a journey. It it you know, there are times where
you're you're you're leaning forward, you know, to want to
see what's going to happen next, you know, I mean
it's it's masterfully put together and it's incredibly emotional. You know,
(21:16):
I I couldn't help but watch it. You know, you
have all of her her and her adult siblings or
many siblings, and they're talking about what they remember. They're
differing recollections of their mother, and you know, I can't
help but think, like, how, like, my I got six kids,
you know, what is that? What is that going to
be like when they're grown ups? How are they going
to look back at me? You know, you can't help
(21:40):
but think about that. So it's a terrific, terrific documentary.
It's it's on HBO right now, and you should absolutely
watch it. You will be You'll be absolutely engrossed by it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I definitely want to check that out because, yeah, I
don't know a lot about Mansfield, so, yeah, just to
learn a little bit about film history that I'm not
as familiar with.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same for me. Yeah. Uh, the
screening occurred, I should say, in the context of Marishka
Hargate having come to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, so this is a cool thing. First of all,
I should say. Like, so, so, you know, last week,
middle of last week or whatever, you know, I told
my wife, I'm like, hey, you know, there's a thing
coming up with the in the city. She's like, oh,
it's like a Q and A with Mushka Hargate. And
she goes, oh, the person who've had a crush on
since before we got married.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And I said, yes, he told the kids I have
to run out for cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So uh, going and attending to sitting in the Q
and A was good enough. But afterwards the publicist was like, oh,
this is Aqui Asan. He's a critic with the chronicle.
She you know, and actually had me introduced me to her,
you know. And it was funny because I got to
you know, I have an autograph picture of her from
like back in two thousand and seven that I had
(23:13):
gotten and so I was like, you know, back in
the day, you know, I got this autograph from you,
and it's and she can tell just from the headshot
like how old it is, you know, And I was like,
and then I was able to pull up, you know,
on my phone, I was able to pull up the
letter that I had written to her, and because this
was like again it's like two thousand and seven, and
so I was like, oh, you know, she had just
(23:33):
had her her first child. And I was like, you know,
that was around when I had my wife and I
had just had our first child. I had mentioned that
in the context of the letter. So I just showed
her that and I'm like, you know, that kid is
like in college now. And she's like, get out of here.
My kid just started college too, and she's like, give
me a big high five, give me a big hug,
you know, and she's very tickled. And it was just
(23:54):
it was just a great conversation. Goose, just a great
you know, great chan to be able to be like,
you know, like I've been watching work all this time.
It's been it's been I've grown up with it, you know.
So that that was very cool, very unexpected. Yeah, but
here's here's an interesting adjunct to this story. So I
(24:16):
come into school the next day and I'm like, hey,
so and here's a cool thing that happened. And I say,
you know, and I met Marishka Hargate nothing from Lawn
and Order, Special Victims Unit, nothing and she plays Captain Benson. Nothing. Nothing,
I mean nothing, not even like a flicker of recognition.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And then you were like, no, let's remember the catchphrase
from Mike Meyers the Love Guru, and everyone went, ah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So I'm like, okay, well that's my seven thirty am.
Maybe they're a little bit out of it. So then
I'm like, okay, well I'm going to tell my nine
am kids that's a media class. They'll get it. Nothing same.
So then I'm like, okay, well, now I'm just compiling
data points. And I literally went through the whole week.
Every new class I would mention this, and almost to
the one I would say statistical aberrations, notwithstanding no, no
(25:05):
one knew who I was talking about. Real And I
bring this up only because I find this fascinating because
this is a show that is still airing right now,
right it's not I mean its TikTok?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Is it on TikTok?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Maybe not, that's the problem. So it's still airing and
it's still, as far as I know, one of the
highest rated shows on television. Yeah, and so when we
talk about the disconnect between the modern like the young'uns
and how they're getting their content versus just the the
traditional means of putting shows and things out there there there,
(25:43):
there's the yawning chasm right there.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It's yeah, I mean that you can witness that we're
old enough now to have witnessed those moments where something
was you know, culturally, something everyone was aware of, and
then you know, live long enough to see it. Just
I don't know if it could still be there, but
people have found their own things now.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's like to me, it's not like, oh, it's you
know the show it ended ten years ago. No, No,
it is currently airing. There are new episodes, you know,
laid out for the next several years at least. But
it's like we are so so completely contained within our
silos that there's just no overlap. And and I draw
(26:30):
a distinction with you know, you and I growing up
in the eighties and nineties, we still knew the Brady
Bunch and the you know and and the monsters and
all this stuff because we were exposed to stuff. So
there was this shared language that stretched across the decades. Yep.
I don't know, man, it makes me sad, that's all
I want to say.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, it's interesting. I don't know if we were
going to talk about this later, but I think this
relates now. I saw the headline that Jim Carrey maybe
playing George Jetson and a Jetson's movie directed and written
or at least co written by Colin Trevarro, which that
alone is a wild sentence, it really, but it makes
me think about Jim Carrey where when we were teenagers,
(27:14):
I mean, he was it like he he felt like
our guy. You know, he came firing like out of
like he was fired out of a cannon with one
year with ace Ventura, which is a huge hit, the mask,
huge hit, Dumb and Dumber one year, and all of
a sudden, in that time, he goes from making you know, whatever,
you know, change he's making, to like twenty million dollars. Yeah, right,
(27:37):
he and and then he has this crazy run and
the sequel to as Ventura and The Truman Show and
all these sorts of things. But then you know, he
has his you know, he makes the number twenty three.
He tries to do like his dramas, there's thrillers and stuff,
and then he kind of became like, oh, yeah, I
remember when Jim Carrey was funny, you know, kind of
a thing. Yeah, and like we missed that Jim Carrey
and there was like a dip for him, right, So
(28:00):
I find it fascinating that he's now on this comeback
with the Sonic films. Yeah, and I always wonder I
saw the last Sonic in a big, crowded theater with
a lot of kids and they love him.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And but to me, I am always I'm thinking, I'm
trying to relate it to my own experience, And I think,
would that be like me watching a movie in nineteen
ninety two where like Jerry Lewis, you know, it was
like playing the villain and I'm like, oh, that guy's
kind of funny, and my parents would be like, no,
that's Jerry Lewis.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Branis.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean, my god, sir, is that the simstance? Yeah,
that's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the when the langdon Algar when he's pouring the
thing on the on the soda on the spring building
here functioning without him. I mean, I mean, my god, I.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Can hear his whats invitement? That's so good. He's like
pouring soda over the machine.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Ye oh god, oh no.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But but it's interesting is that now he has carved
out a new place for himself once again with the youth.
So now today's youth Seeshon as doctor Robotnik, and I
think that's amazing. But I think this is also kind
of interesting because now it makes sense kids like Jim Carrey,
so you can put them in another big family movie,
(29:32):
I guess you could call it. But what's interesting is
the property is even older than us.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That okay, So that's that was my thought when I
heard this, because because at some point you and I
have talked about how maybe it was when we did
our Flintstones movie commentary track where it's like that when
the Flintstones came out, that movie, that was probably at
the outer edge of when you could make that movie.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Because we did grow up with it. It was on
in the morning for us as kids. But that was
about the end of it, right, And and.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I'm remembering when The Jetson's animated movie came out in
the late eighties. Yeah, maybe ninety, maybe it was ninety,
but regardless, I remember it coming out and being like, really, Jetson's.
I remember feeling that way too, even though I liked
the Jetson Yeah. Yeah, And Tiffany, do you remember that
pop star Tiffany played me?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Was?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, they they looped her. It wasn't originally they
they got rid of the original Judy boys, oh bummer,
and paid in service. I hope so too. So now
we're at a point where, look, I don't believe for
one second Jetson's has any relevance to to to anybody
(30:46):
under forty Yeah, you know, so, would I watched Jim
Carrey played George Jetson, I absolutely would, But I think
I would be very lonely in that theater.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, see, I have a lot of feelings about this, Like,
I actually think this could be really cool. I think
it's pretty great casting.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I agree, And.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
If there's someone with a funny take and a good
sense of humor, I could see that it's dazzling look
catching eyes even for people who don't.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Know what it is. So you don't think Colin Travarro's
the guy, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I don't know, I don't wanna you know. I think
he's had some hits and misses, let's put it that way.
But like I I this is such a lazy example,
but it makes me think of like if Seth Rogan
was doing it. I know he's kind of got a
perspective and he's got like a his own sort of voice, sure,
and it would be interesting to see what he would do.
(31:48):
I mean, he's doing well.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It's it's Seth Rogan doing the green hornet, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Which I didn't love, but I also didn't completely not love.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But it's like a weird it's a weird.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, that's a weird one. But you know what I mean,
Like if there was like a voice, Yeah, I don't
even have to know who this voice is, but if
there was a comedic voice behind it that I thought
was going to bring something specific to it, Yeah, that
would make me feel a little bit better at this
point about it. But yeah, I mean I'll be there too.
I'm very curious about it. I mean, I want to
(32:21):
see the ship and I want to see Astro and
you know, yeah and spacely sprockets and all that. But
it's weird. It's weird. That's why I brought it up.
It's talking about windows of cultural relevance. This is a
weird one that I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I think we are. We are well past the window
of the Jetson's cultural relevance definitely, right, Like it was
created in the sixties and so it lampooned the nuclear
family dynamic of the nineteen sixties and did what the
Flintstones did, but in the future. Yeah, well that was
already starting to feel outdated by the late eighties. When
(32:58):
when or the mid to late these which would be
when you and I you know, entered the picture. So
in twenty twenty five, what does the Jetson say to anybody?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know, why didn't we end up there? I
don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, it is
a very like retro future yeah aesthetic right where the
moving walkways and so I'm curious if they stick with
that sort of sixties sort of like with Fantastic Four
did recently, right, Oh, sure, past Summer where it's that
sixties future feel, that's what it would have to be.
(33:32):
I think it should. I think that's the most fun.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But yeah, well, uh, hey, we got some listener letters, Brian,
you have been for eighteen thousands, all addressed, You've got mail,
(33:57):
all right, Well, here's a note we got at Movie
Film Podcast at gmail dot com. This is from James Olsen,
who says, hey, Zachie and Brian, congratulations on your podcast
award nomination. It is most certainly well earned.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh, thank you, James, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
He is. As you know, I began listening to your
podcast about two and a half years ago, and since
then I've listened to your entire library. Wow wow, except
for the commentary track for Planet of the Apes. Oh,
that was our first commentary track by me. He says.
When I eventually draw this movie from my designated movie hat,
I will sync up your commentary to the movie and
(34:30):
watch it live.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He says. You two have done excellent work, and it
has been very entertaining and interesting listening to your show.
Evolved as well as understand the origins of the magnificent
Amberson's reference. He says, what I really wanted to discuss
was when Brian mentioned seeing Chinatown for the first time.
I actually let out an audible gasp when I heard that.
The first time I saw Chinatown was during spring break
(34:54):
of my first year in college. I was in a
terrible funk. I had entered my first year as a
chemistry slash physics major and found myself completely overwhelmed by
the massive change in the curriculum from high school to college.
By this point in my first year, I was failing
these classes necessary for my major, and in a state
of depression, I came home from a spring break and
decided to rent Chinatown, based solely on the fact that
(35:16):
I was a Nicholson fan and heard that he played
a private investigator in the movie. Talk about the perfect
role for young Jack. Yeah, I think you and I
said the same thing right. Needless to say, I was
blown away by the story that unfolded and the letter
perfect dialogue that each character spoke. As I sat there,
I thought to myself, if only I could write something
like this, And then it hit me. I had always
(35:37):
enjoyed creative writing and was more than eager to put
pen to paper to jop my thoughts down. I realized
then and there that I would switch my major to
English slash writing and broadcast journalism the following year. Once
I did my grades look at that. My grades dramatically
improved and I was able to graduate college. As I
write this to you now, I would also like to
mention that I'm completing the final revision of a novel
(35:57):
that I'm in hopes to submit in the first half
of now next year. It really is interesting. Whenever I
hear mentioned of Chinatown, I always pause and reflect about
a movie that literally changed my life.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
James, I wish you could see my face. That is,
I have the hugest smile on my face right now.
I love that. I love that story. Congrats, that is
super cool.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
He then adds ps, as you mentioned in your podcast,
Chinatown was about the water in Los Angeles and you
were uncertain what the plot points were for the next movie.
The Two Jakes is about oil, and the third movie
would have been about the airways of Los Angeles and
the battle of control regarding which airlines would dominate the
skies above. So there you go. Have you watched The
Two Jakes yet?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I do plan on it, And man, I really want
to see that third one. That sounds fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Too bad, we'll never get it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean we get the unofficial sequel about
the trolley car disappearing, right and who framed Roger Rabbit? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
But which is, by the way, I didn't obviously get
that until much later when I finally saw a Chinatown.
Brilliant You know what a brilliant like, Let's rip on
Chinatown and throw cartoon characters into it. But yeah, controlling
(37:09):
the La skies and airlines. Don't I don't know that
story that sounds fascinating. Rite it, James, there there you go, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Write the book. Okay. Here is a note we got
from Josh Hopman, who says, hey, guys, I always get
excited when I see a new podcast posted by you guys,
especially when it has to do with the new movie
in theaters that I just saw. You always have something insightful,
semi snarky, but also quite thoughtful things to say. Well,
thank you. I'm mostly the snarky, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh shoot, I just snorted.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're the snorty.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I'm the snorty. That's my seven dwarf name.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
He says. Anyway, this doesn't have to do with the
new movie, but instead some old ones. In a recent episode.
I was excited to hear Brian call it. Brian, you're
getting all kinds of people excited.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh thanks, guys, he says.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I was excited to hear Brian call out the Cone
Brothers film Intolerable Cruelty. Yeah, being a Cone Brothers fan,
note the plural brothers. The new stuff Ethan puts out
isn't nearly as good as the movies he makes when
he works with Joel. But anyway, I digress. I was
surprised by how dismissive people are by the lesser known
Cone films. Those are really good too, of course, but
I think the Cones have some hidden gems. Primarily. The
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two that come to mind to me are Burn after
reading excellent movie and the Hudsucker Proxy, which I love.
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, I'll just say real quick. I recently rewatched Burn
after reading and I didn't love it the first time
I saw it, And oh interesting, I've heard some other
people say that too, and then I came back to
it recently and really enjoyed it, So I don't I
don't know. I felt like ready for it or what
it was or also what it isn't, which you know
(38:50):
if you don't seen the film you kind of know.
And and Hudsucker Proxy I remember seeing when I was
very young and loving it, yeah, because it was so
different and I loved.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
How great production design and everything.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I need to I haven't seen it as an adult.
I need to rewatch that.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And I get tanked, but it was a good movie.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, He says.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Both are really clever and while not nearly as dark
as the iconic Cone films are just playing funny, surprisingly clever,
and still have that staple off kilter quirkiness and sudden
act of violence conness. That about sums it up, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I love it?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So I could go on about why I think people
should give them a second rewatch. I most recently watched
Barton Fink bart I think, boy, was that a trip?
And I'm curious if you have any favorites of theirs. Also,
here'st hoping the brothers get back together for another one,
and he says, ps, I've never seen Death Becomes Her
(39:45):
And for Zaki's recommendation from previous episode, I've started watching
it for spooky season. Oh great, that's another good one.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, definitely, I want to revisit that. It's been a while. Yeah,
so yeah, so what oh I should say? I did
watch oh Man was the one that just came out
with Margaret Qualley Honey don't and uh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, I mean I forgot I watched it so until
until this email. It's I totally appreciate the world that
they tried to set up. Yeah, and it just I
don't know, I just didn't connect.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That's a shame.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, but yeah, what about you? What are some of
your favorite Coen Brothers movies.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Well, I mean, I'm gonna go with the generic answer,
which is Fargo. That's probably my favorite. Mean, it's yeah, undeniable,
but yeah, I would go Fargo, Lebowski, and No Country.
That's my top three.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
No Country, Man, it's been a while. I need to
watch that again.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh and I love True Grit. I love true Grit.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
True Grit is great. My whole family liked that.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, then that made me read the book afterwards, because
I learned it was based on a book and I
wanted to read something. I just loved the I don't
know how to you even explain it. I mean, it
does feel like a book that film, the characters and
all the things they experience right up to the ending.
And I remember then reading the book and really enjoying
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that too.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Have you seen Inside Lewin Davis? Yes? I enjoyed that also, Yeah,
kind of, that's a hang movie. It's a hang movie.
It had look Man that has a song sung by
Isaac Oscar Isaac and Justin Timberlake and Adam Driver. First
time I saw Adam Driver actually was in that movie.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
By the way, probably same.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, and it's called Please Mister Kennedy. And it's like
a it's like a kitchy nineteen sixties song, and that
song gets stuck in your head. Yes, Like now that
I've said it, it's in my head now, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Be please mister Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Oh yeah, that movie, by the way. Fun fact, I
remember when it came out. I'm pretty sure I talked
about this on the show back in the day. But
there was supposed to be a a press event for
Inside Leewan Davis and it was going to be it
was going to be Oscar Isaac was going to be there,
(42:07):
and John Goodman and somebody else shoot anyway, and it
was going to be you know, we would have have
junk its junk. It was going to be like roundtable
interviews with each of them. I was like, oh, wow,
John Goodman, I'd love to talk to him. So I
sign up for it, and then and then I get
the call and they're like, well it's gonna we can't
do multiple roundtables, so it's going to be one round
(42:27):
table with all of them. Oh and and like the
third person can't come. I'm like, okay, no problem. And
then and then it's like, oh and John Goodman isn't
going to be able to be there, but it'll be
like a big round table with Oscar Isaac and I.
In twenty thirteen late twenty teen, it is like, Oscar Isaac,
who's that. Yeah, I'm like, man, do I feel like
(42:50):
driving all the way down to the city for like
ask one question to a guy I don't really know? Yeah,
and then I'm like, yeah, no, thanks. And then like
a week later, Oscar Isaac signs to start in the
new Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, you guys could have been chums.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
We could we could have been chumming out. Yeah. So
so that's like my Mike Clear's memory of that movie.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, but I remember.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Oscar Isaac made a huge mark on me after having
seen the film.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, same.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It was terrific in it.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
So you know, it's funny. I I recently I talked
about this, but I rewatched or no, not rewatched for
the first time. I watched Blood Simple, their first film,
and I really enjoyed it as like a low budget
clever It almost feel like an indie noir, like an
indie film noir.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
But what I love about it is it's you know,
interesting characters and twists and turns, and you know you're
engaged the whole time leaning forward. But what I really
loved is there's this scene in a bar and the
camera is just slowly tracking down this bar, you know,
from one end to the other, to get to our
characters who are in conversation. But along the way there's
(44:03):
a passed out drunk guy sleeping on the bar. So
the camera gets to the guy and just slowly rises,
goes over him, goes back down, and continues tracking to
the end of the bar, and you're like, there they are.
That's the Coen Brothers, you know what I mean, Like
they were even in this relatively straightforward, serious crime movie.
They had to put like a little weird meta joke
(44:26):
in there that It's like, you know, the kookiness was
always there, and I loved it.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It was there early on any other any other Cohen
things that jump out at you.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
There's still a few I haven't seen. I haven't seen
Miller's Crossing, which I can hear everybody going, what right now?
And the one with Billy Bob Thornton, the man who
wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Is that right? Yes, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, So I still have a few to catch up on,
which feels good. It's nice to know that I have
some awaiting me.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, get get, get digging.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, and I want to revisit the Yeah No Country.
I haven't seen that at least ten years or more.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And uh yeah that sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And hudsucker, I'd like to see that again. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I think the last time I saw that was probably
in the in the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I want to say, yeah, same, it's it's it's been
a little while.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah. Yeah. So here's one comment that we got from
Luke's mail twenty four. This is on YouTube, and this
was with regards to if you remember in our in
our last regular show, we want a little tangent about
the Rambo prequel movie that they have coming out. Yeah,
that's right, he says, thanks for reading out my comment. Guys,
I love your take on the prequel Rambo movie. It
(45:45):
really does depend on the concept they have for it.
We can only hope it's more X Men first Class
than Young Hannibal.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, I think it's called Hannibal Rising.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I forgot all about that.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, it was pretty lousy, he says. Anyone remember that one?
And uh, yeah me now that you mention it, Yes,
but otherwise, Yeah, I'd love for you guys to discuss
the death of poster artist Drew Strewsen. Well, we're gonna
be talking about that in a second, he says. Sometimes
you grow up with someone's work and you don't even
(46:20):
know it. There was all the Star Wars, Indiana Jones,
Goonies work he did, which I always knew about, but
I never knew he actually did the cover for Alice
Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare. My dad used to play
that on audio cassette. That, kids, was how we listened
to music in the car back in the day, a
long time ago. And I never knew that was Drew's
work until Michael J. Fox pointed it out. Uh, Drew
(46:43):
Strewsen is indeed an icon and legend, and we will
talk about him on the other side of this extra. Well, Scoop,
I love that, so so drews drewsan Uh. I think
(47:07):
anybody who has loved movies in the last forty years
has encountered his work. Yes, whether they know it or not,
Whether they know it or not, that was that was
a sort of like I think people, I think I
think we take for granted that, oh, Drew Drewsan, How
do you not know the name Drew Jason, right? And
it it occurred to me I had that realization, Oh wait,
(47:28):
people probably don't know his name, and yet what what
a what a footprint he leaves behind?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, right?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
And and I think I think the measure of that
footprint is the is in the fact that nobody is
doing what he did anymore. Yeah, right, It's like he
did it too well, so nobody can even try.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Or if sometimes I'll see people do things like it now,
but you can't help but think, oh, you're doing Drew
Strusan right. You know, even if they're doing it very well.
It's just he really made his style, that's right, is
just so iconic, and you know, it's just anything that
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comes close to resembling it, you can't help but think, oh,
but that's what Drew Strusan did, and he already nailed that,
you know, you say, you almost want people to try
something different.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
So he passed away this past week, October thirteenth, at
seventy eight years old. His wife had said earlier this
year that he had been suffering from Alzheimer's disease for
several years. Yeah, and so unfortunately that's just obviously sad
on a whole different level because you know, everything that
the family has to do and support of that. But
(48:45):
beyond that, I think it's impossible to list off of
memory all the movie posters, the most iconic movie posters
that he put out into the world.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, And I mean, and for people who don't know,
I mean, I think I think probably his most famous
one would be Back to the Future, Yes, you know,
with Marty stepping out of the Dolorean looking at his watch,
and then you know the Indiana Jones films. He didn't
do the first Raiders poster, but he did subsequent ones,
and then Temple of Doom and on and on and
Last Crusade, and.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
The iconic Last Crusade poster is a strewsan one.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yes, and the Goony's Hook Adventures and Babysitting. I mean,
it was all over the place and something that I
thought was really fascinating. Well, and to try to describe
his style, they're just very very realistic portraits. And I've
seen people say learning about Drew Streusan, Wait, those aren't
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pictures and that's how good they look. Yeah, right, And
and the best way I can describe how, you know,
how they've made me feel is, you know, I think
of the Back to the Future poster. I remember being
five years old seeing that movie in the theater. I
have an actual memory of standing in line to get
into the theater looking up and seeing that poster, and
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it just captivated me to the point where after that,
I remember checking out the record the soundtrack from the
library so I could look at it, and I tried
drawing it. And my whole life I've had that poster,
like when I'm at work, I have it in my office.
In my office now where we're recording, I have a
picture of it, just because something about it captivates me
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and invigorates me and invigorates my creativity and what I
think is so special about it. And I think this
is true about all of his work, and I'm even
looking at some of them now, Star Wars and stuff.
Specifically Back to the Future. It's a movie that I
think is beloved because it just magic courses through that movie, right,
you know, there's just a sparkle and a sheene and
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a magic and a fun that courses through that film.
That's made it beloved for forty years now. And somehow
that image, that poster, it's hand drawn, it's a still image,
radiates that magic. Yeah, right, that magic courses through that
still image. And that's what Drew Streusen was able to do.
He was able to take that energy, you know, from
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Indiana Jones or for Hook or I'm looking at Star
Wars right now and it feels like the posters are
radiating what you loved, the feelings you loved about that movie.
They radiate off of these posters. That was to me,
his magic trick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
He did the Star Wars Special edition posters, he did
the Star Wars prequel posters, and and all you know,
that batch of six to me like I can close
my eyes and I can see them, you know, saying
you talk about the Back to His Future poster, which
I agree is just you know, that's I suspect that's
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the one that most people can can call to mind
if you list his things. But but I'm I'm sitting
here looking at the Indiana Jones and Last Crusade poster
that you got me a couple of years ago, signed
by Drew Strusan and that was an incredibly kind thing
that you did for me, by the way, and it
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was already very special to me, but now as I
sit here looking at it, it's like, you know, this
is one of the most precious things I have, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And he he had set up a website, I think,
and he was showing his work at this gallery in
Texas at some point, and so it was I don't
previously remember being able to access him or his work
like you could, you know, several years ago. And so
as soon as I saw the opportunity to own something
that came from him, that was actually signed by him,
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I mean to me, and I know to you as well,
and that's why I just I was like, we have
to have this. It was almost like, you know, you know,
like our famous painter from history. You know, somebody's spoken
to us since we were little kids, and the work
evokes something in us. It's like, how could we not
own something that came from the man?
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I agree. I have Back to the Future hanging in here,
signed by him, and it's just one of the most
special things I own.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
And and it is a reflection of how the art
of movie posters has shifted so much, right, I mean,
I'm I'm looking at a Variety article that has some
of his best posters, right, and you've got I'm looking
at the poster for Hook. Yeah. Well, you know, not
a great movie, but a beautiful work of art, right,
And I'm like, where are these posters? Why do we
have so many photo shop shit smears that are hanging
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on theater walls.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know, that'd be funny if there was an artist
like Vladimir Schmitz shit smear and you were just like
denigrating him specifically, Vladimir shit speaking, all these shit smears
everywhere popular theaters, and Vladimir's listening like.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
This is this is a quote from Harrison Ford. He says,
here no artists captured and better than than Drusen. And
I think that his last Crusade poster is just to me,
that's the most iconic Indiana Jones image for me. You know, Yeah,
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I don't know, it's just look, these are icons from
throughout our lives and this is just just the you know,
getting older. Unfortunately it's just part of it. But like
it's it's hard, it's hard to see these these markers,
these demarcation points with increasing frequency, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, And I think it feels so personal in a
way because for you and I and I know most
people listening right now, I mean, this stuff is a
big part of our lives. You know, we get affected
by films and television whatever, and you know, most people
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enjoy it, but we get really affected by it in
unique ways. And he was able. You know, he touched us.
His work touched us in a special way our imaginations.
You know that that many people haven't, and so that
that immediately makes him a really special and important person
in our lives. And it's you know, I'm happy to
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talk about him and celebrate him right now and praise
his work and the ways he's his work has made
me feel throughout my life. And I'm also sad to
mark his passing.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
And I should say, actually, when you talk about the
magic he imbued his art with, he did a poster
for Masters of the Universe, the motion picture that you know,
the Dolph li on Gren one, And if you look
at that poster, you'd be like, this is the most
incredible movie ever made. Right, I would say it is,
(55:49):
in fact, not the most incredible movie.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Somehow that poster feels more magical than the film itself.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, and the movie is what it.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Is, and the movie is it's fun.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
We'll be talking about it next year before the new
one comes out, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh yeah, all right, there's.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Our commentary in the barrel ready to go. But but
that poster, man, I would love to I would love
to hang that poster on my wall.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, but you know, that's that's that makes me think
of you know, the movies we're mentioning, like, you know,
Back to the Future, Star Wars. Those are magical feeling movies.
But I remember the poster for Adventures in Babysitting. Yeah, yeah,
and it's funny because I love that movie. That was
a seminal movie of my youth and it's but it's
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not a fantastical film, you know. It's like kids in
the big city trying to find about Well, that's true,
that's very you know what I stick corrected. But his
poster for that again, it just you look at it
and it feels alive. And it's the kids, uh, you know,
climbing up one of the skyscrapers in Chicago and they
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just the way that they're captured, it just feels magical
and fun. And I mean It really does what I
think a movie poster is supposed to do, which is,
if you saw that in a video store, you would go, well,
that there's something captivating about this, there is something magical.
What is this movie? Right? He made that. It's just
so alluring what he captured in that image for this
(57:17):
movie that's otherwise relatively grounded, And I just think that
was his superpower.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. So Drew Streus, and he
will be missed. We will never see his like again. No,
another legend. Diane Keaton. Yeah, now this one. I have
to be honest, you know, Diane Keaton. I thought she
was immortal. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I was like, no, no, she'll outlive every one of us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
She's just always been there.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, you know, always been there, always been great. She
was seventy nine. I read this morning that she died
of pneumonia. But man, you talk talk about a body
at work. I just happened to be in the middle
of screening The Godfather with my students, so I was
like one third of the way through The Godfather and
(58:10):
then this news broke. Oh wow, okay, you know, and
in that film, she's obviously very very youthful, and you
know at the beginning, at the beginning of this extraordinary career.
You know, I don't think could she have even imagined
at that moment everything that was in her future?
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
What what do you think of as some of your
your most iconic Diane Keaton performances.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Well, certainly Godfather, But I think the first time I
ever saw her, just due to my age, was Father
of the Bride Father. But I was gonna say, right,
you know her and Steve Martin playing the parents.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
About about my age in that movie. I think she's
like forty six.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, yeah, isn't that wild? But it's funny because even
as a kid. That's another sort of weird thing about
how movies have changed over time, like this movie that
focuses on the parents not wanting to let go of
their daughter, you know, getting married. But even as like
a it came out in ninety one, so I was eleven.
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I remember loving that movie, and I wasn't bored with
the parents on screen, you know, Like I obviously I
like Steve Martin, but she she wasn't like and the wife,
you know what I mean, Like she had her own personality,
in that movie they played off of one another, and
I remember her really well from that also, strangely, I
remember Baby Boom. Yeah, I remember that meaning something my
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mom rented like for herself, and watching it with her
and kind of enjoying it. And then of course you
know First Wives Club. You know she's you know, I
got to be honest, I'm not a huge Woody Allen person.
And what I mean by that is I haven't really
even seen a lot of his movies. I saw some
of the ones when he had his little assance, you know,
with Midnight and Paris and all that sort of stuff,
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But I've kind of not seen her in the those
older films, so I mostly know her.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
You know, now you haven't seen you haven't seen Annie Hall.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I have. I don't remember it very well, if I'm
being honest.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I enjoyed her in Annie Hall. I'm I'm with
you where I'm just the Woody Allen you know flavor
kind of kind of missed me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, but like you know, yeah, First Wives Club, like
I said, and you know, something's got to give and
all those those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah, what a what a what a run?
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, and and coming so shortly after Robert Radford's passing.
It really does feel like the Curtains coming down on
a specific era, doesn't it. Yeah, it's wild, you know.
You know al Pacino was talking about you know, because
he dated her for for a while, and you know,
you get the sense just in his statement sort of
(01:00:51):
him grappling with his own mortality and you know this
whole I mean, look, how many of the Godfather cast
are gone now, you know? Yeah, I mean it's a lot,
you know. Yeah, just in the time since I first
saw that movie, which is like one from then to now,
one by one, you know, Brando and you know, yeah,
(01:01:15):
so another legend and and hey here here's one. This one, this,
this one is is special to you and you and
I I think Brian Ron Dean yep, the character actor's
character actor Ron Dean.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Absolutely, I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
What are you know him from?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, I mean Number one, The Fugitive. Yeah, you know,
one of my favorite exchanges. He did it for the money.
He's a doctor, he's already rich.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
She has more rich. Yeah, she was more rich, so
so he he Yes, he was a detective Kelly in
The Fugitive. Yeah, but of course he was also in
the Dark Knight as detective works. He was kind of
rumpled trench coat detective guy. That was his particular niche.
(01:02:02):
And when I say character actor's character actor, that's what
I mean. You know, you have a guy like Ron Dean,
who had a very lengthy career spanning from nineteen seventy
six to the twenty tens, just dependably. He was a
Chicago based I believe, yeah, yeah, and so that allowed
him to he put in a lot of work and
(01:02:23):
stuff like Er and all them Chicago shows totally, and
he just embodied a type.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah. I mean, I'm just to rattle off some of
his stuff too. I mean it's like The Babe if
you remember that, the John Goodman, Yeah, nothing in common,
Tom Eggs, Jackie Gleason, Dark Knight, The Color of Money,
Risky Business, The Clients, Rudy and Reaction Chain, Reaction, Breakfast Club.
I think he played Emilio Stuvez his dad.
Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was Andy's dad, that's right. He
was fifty five in The Fugitive, Okay, And I said
said this to you, and I for sure, I'm like,
if you told me he was sixty five, seventy five
or eighty five in the movie, I would have believed
It's just one.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Of those phenomenons, right, we call it out a lot,
but it just Yeah, when you look back on these
movies from previous decades, just feels like people are aging
a little differently.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
At some point you just hit you go from young
to old, and then that's it. That's where you are,
right right right right there you stay. And I don't
know where I'm at on that, you know which side
of that when I'm on. I know I'm afraid to
ask my students, you know, yeah, yeah right. I mean
if I were to ask him how old you think
(01:03:37):
I am? You know, I I worry about the answers
I would get.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, no, same. I remember when I was in my
early forties, people still used to think I was like
mid thirties, maybe even like a little earlier. And then
I do feel like there was some sort of line
that I crossed, and I don't know when it happened,
but now I am firmly in my forties, you know
what I mean. I don't know there's some extra crows
for you or something.
Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
But well, Ron Dean, you know, he is the glue.
We love our character actors here and and he enriched
every film he was in just by being able to
perfectly embody a specific type. So so here's to you
at gone at age eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Wow, Wow, what a career raising a glass?
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hopefully hopefully as we raise the glass, Harvey
Dent doesn't walk in and shoot us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yes, that's right, Well that's the moment, right if people
aren't aren't sure when he is in the dark, knight.
Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Dent, I thought you were dead half ye see what
you realize is in the post MCU world that right there,
that's your post credit scene.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
No, it so is, isn't it right? If Harvey was
going to be the villain of the next film, Yeah right, yeah, Oh,
and you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Wouldn't even see him. You wouldn't even see him. It
would just you'd see the silhouette from the back, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you just hear half over black.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Or it's like you would see the silhouette that looks
kind of normal, and then it would turn. Yeah, you
still might not even get a good look at it,
but you'd see that like chunks of the face are missing,
and yeah, yeah, like a skull the bottom of the
jar or something.
Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Harvey Dent will return or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Hey, speaking of returning, how about this this. I gotta
be honest, this news kind of made me happy. Danny
Ocean might be coming back from the grave. Yes, why
from the grave, you ask, Oh, well, you have to
watch Oceans eight from twenty eighteen or whatever that movie
came out. No, we have Oceans fourteen in the hopper.
(01:05:41):
It seems, based on comments by George Clooney, that the
fourth Oceans movie starring him and his merry band of
heist officionados, is about to make a comeback.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Hey man, I'm here for it. I have all those movies.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I have to say, at some point, these these senior
citizens creeping and crawling around as their backs are cracking
might strain credulity.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
You know, it's funny. I saw the trailer for Now
You See Me three okay the other night, and I've
seen it before, but it occurred to me on this watch.
You know, you've got the four characters. That's already a
lot of characters, right, So you've got the four characters
from the original, but now there's like four kids being
paired up with them. So everywhere they go there's like
this group of eight people, you know, like pulling their
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heightsts and doing whatever they're doing and so. But but
it feels like they needed to.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
There was some thinking like, oh, well maybe Woody harrisln
is too old to draw any younger crowds, so we've
got to give them like a young tier of magicians
as well. So it makes me wonder. It's like, okay,
you already got well, if it's Ocean's fourteen, then there's
going to be fourteen in the crew. But are they
going to feel like they got to bring in all
these kids as well? Is this going to be like
Oceans twenty really, you know, with all the people they
try to bring in to attract.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
As long as we get Rihanna's cousin with the magnets.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
The only thing I remember about Ocean's eight. They're like, ah,
we get it's magnetized. How are we gonna get through this?
And Rihanna's like, well, hey, I got a cousin who's
a whiz with magnets. I remember just laughing in the theater,
like Robert de Niro and Cape Fear like just castling.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So so Ocean's Eight. You may recall that movie came
out in twenty eighteen, and a big part of that
movie is that Danny Ocean is dead.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yes. Yes, Sandra Bullock's character plays is his sister and
she visits his grave in that movie.
Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, it's weird because the movie never addresses how he died. Yeah,
but the fact that he is dead is a crucial
plot point. Now here's my only point. Now, Okay, we're
doing Ocean's fourteen, so it's it's it's extraordinarily easy to
retcon his death and say he faked it or whatever. Right, However,
I would prefer that they go the harder route and
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actually involved. The heightst of the movie is bringing Danny
Ocean back to life by summoning some kind of a
demon from the beyond.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
See you, and I'm glad we're on the same page.
Like I want Brad Pitt with all this cool jazzy
music to be like, no, we need is a once
in a generation lightning storm. And then he like takes
a bite of gelato, you know, like we're gonna reanimate
Danny Ocean.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That that's the movie. I want to see me too.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
We should have pitched this to Warner Brothers. I think
so yeah, actually now yeah, yeah good? Sorry, no, no
go ahead, no, no, no, I was I was also picturing,
like cause I remember, it's not like he was in
the ground. I think he was in some sort of
I don't know, a yeah, and like I want to see,
you know, Brad Pitt wrap on it with a certain
knock and then basically like a hand comes through and
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he's in a tuxedo and he's like ooh, like I
thought you were never gonna come and get me, did you?
And then they go pick up don Cheetah and wait,
and what are Sandra Bullock and Kate Blenchett and Rihanna
going to be in this? I mean, are they going
to emerge worlds here?
Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Well? I mean, when you think about it, Bernie Mack
has passed away since the last one, right, and Carl
Reiner has passed away since the last one. So there
are some gaps. Yep. Maybe we we have two competing teams.
We call it Oceans Apart.
Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Mind blown.
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Look at that that one's free Warner Brothers. That's good,
that's yeah, I'm trying to get some Well you texted.
Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Me about this. I can't remember if you pointed this
out or if this was a comment on the link,
but someone pointed out that Elliott Gould was sixty three
in the original Ocean's eleven and George Cliney will be
six is sixty four. Now, oh wow, And so Gould
is playing the elder Statesman in that movie.
Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And now he's the soul. Yeah, good lord.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
So I'm wondering, like, I mean, obviously, I think for
people our age or who are fans of this movie, yeah,
I know, I imagine we're in right, But I I
think I told you, this reminds me of when that
movie Space Cowboys came out, you know, where it's like
my mom was like, hey cool James Garner, Clint Eastwood
and you know, Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
And I was like, uh, yeah, I recognize those guys.
I mean, I'll go with you, mom, you know, or
or you know, I mean Death Wish five, right, you know.
I mean I remember when we were kids and it
was on the Simpsons Room Star Trek twelve, so very old,
and I mean that's kind of that's where we're at
right with this.
Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
And by the way, it's to what you were saying earlier.
I don't care. I love these guys still and I
do want to see another one of these. But I
don't know what your students if this your students see this.
Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Trailer, I have no expectations that they would know the
first thing about about Oceans anything.
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, And to me, I would probably think, oh, wow,
Brad Pitt and George Clooney are still handsome, you know,
but to them, because I still see them in my
mind the way they've always existed, right, just at a
few more gray hairs or something. But like for them,
it's like, oh, this is an old man movie.
Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Come on, go up this shaft here as their backs
are cracking and you know, they're trying to get more
fiber whatever. What are people whatever? Criminals of that vintage require.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, Brad Pitt with all the stuff he's eating, he's
like mixing in mita musil or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I'm actually like, I don't even know what kind of
an afterlife has Ocean's eleven had, Like has it lived on?
Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I don't I don't know. Actually I don't know how
to answer that.
Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Like the third one, so the last one that these
folks came out the year Humsos born. Okay, so it's
been a whole generation basically.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Wow, you know yeah, I mean they were huge when
they came out.
Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Uh huh yeah, yeah, certainly the first one. I mean
I was never a big fan of the second one.
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Same. I'd be curious to go through them again.
Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I remember three feeling more like a retread of one.
But that's not a bad time, you know, to be had.
But I don't remember it. I don't remember it as well,
but like one, I remember very well.
Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Yeah, very curious. I'm into it real quick. I wanted
to mention they just dropped a trailer for the new
Marvel Studios joint. Did you see this? No, uh, it's
not a movie, it's a series. It's called wonder Man.
Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I haven't even heard of this. What's this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Well this is so. It stars yea ya abdol Matine
okay as as so wonder Man for if you don't know,
he's he's a character in the comics who is a
superhero slash actor okay, and he's like a stuntman who
becomes a star so in in based on what we
see in this trailer, and so this is destined Daniel Cretin,
(01:13:04):
who's directing the New Superman sorry, the New Spider Man
movie right now. But he did Shang Chi, so he's
been he godfathered this, and so it's there was a
in the in the show. There was an old show
in the Marvel universe called wonder Man, which is being
rebooted as a big budget movie, and yah Yah Abdulmatine
(01:13:28):
is the guy auditioning to play that role. And he
is a superhero also, Okay, so they're doing there. So
it's Marvel commenting on superhero fatigue and endless reboots.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
That's not I like it because it's different.
Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Yeah. So so if you if you watch the trailer,
there's no superhero business in it at all. It's just
it's it's Yahya Abdomatine and Ben Kingsley back as Treva. Wow,
he's Treva. And then you've got the actor Zlatko Burick,
who was the president of Boravia in Superman. Oh yeah yeah, okay,
(01:14:08):
so he's the director of the film. And it looks
pretty pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Like I said, I'm into it. That sounds different. That
sounds different, and like, if.
Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
You want to do movie stuff. Sorry, if you want
to do TV stuff in the Marvel universe, this is
what you do.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yes, yes, not like a smaller scale version of the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Exactly, do something that you know you're not gonna like. Honestly,
that's why I liked Ironheart a couple months ago, because
it is doing something we wouldn't get in a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
And speaking of destined Daniel Crettin, you interviewed him many
years back.
Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Right, Yeah, him and a Brie Larson.
Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, with the short term twelve, short term twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yeah, I remember that day when I was interviewing them.
I'm gonna had gone in for her. We were expecting
our fourth one, and she had gone in for her checkup,
and it just worked out in such a way where
I wasn't able to go there because I had class
and this interview, which was already scheduled. So but I
mentioned I was like, you know, by the way, if
my phone rings in the middle, it'll be my wife, Like,
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because she's got a checkup finding out, we're gonna find
out whether we're having a boy or girl. And Briet
Larson goes, let's call her, let's call her, right, now
I still remember that.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
It's pretty wild, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Oh, by the way, this is really funny. As I
was watching the trailer with my daughter, she's eight, and
she's like, she sees the guy the director, you know,
and she goes, is that Va Seale Gurkhos? Wow? So
you can tell how many times she's watched Superman. Not
(01:15:45):
isn't he in Superman? That would be like the normal?
Is that the Seal girl?
Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
She loves that movie. Yeah. Yeah, it took me a
while to get her on board the super Man Trained,
but I think she's she's here to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Okay, so you showed her the others, but this is
the one that clicked.
Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Yeah, Like, she she's quite she's got a refined palette,
I have to say, because she's like, she's like, I
like Christopher Reeve, I like Superman and Lois, I don't
like the Lewis and Clark guy hm hm. And and
that's her. That's her. And she says, oh, but the
but I like the new guy. But she says Christopher
Reeve is her favorite. Oh okay, yeah, and she knows
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them my name and everything.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
So it's amazing. Well, I guess it didn't surprise me.
Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I know, that's great. I've dorked her up, unfortunately,
but yeah, so she's excited to see if us steal Girk.
Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
She's a fan of his work.
Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Hey, there's a new movie in theaters right now, Brian, Yeah,
might not be in theaters for much longer, So why
don't we talk about it on the other side of this?
And now we're pleased to bring you our feature. Hey,
we are back, and you know who else is back? Brian?
Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Who's that Zichy?
Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
It is Tron the franchise, but not.
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
The character I was gonna say, is he?
Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Tron Aries is in theaters right now, and it has
opened predictably badly.
Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
For Tron.
Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I remember when when the early tracking came on and
it said it was it was, it was, it was.
They were shooting for something like forty four million for
the opening weekend, and I said, well, that will be nice,
but I'll believe it when it happens because I felt
it in my gut. I was like, I don't think
there's an audience for this movie. And unfortunately I did
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turn out to be right, because it came in quite
a bit under that initial tracking estimate. I believe it
opened to thirty three million.
Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yeah, mascue.
Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
They were hoping for ninety million worldwide. I think it
made sixty million worldwide. So Tron Aries may well be
the final lap of this light cycle.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
It's good. You're like right in headlines, I know, just
spitting them.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Directed by Yoakim Ronning, who did the Last Pirates movie,
also did Maleficent two.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah, he's a a Disney guy.
Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Yeah he well, he did the movie Kantiki, which is
very good. If you haven't seen it, he co directed that.
Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Now, you and I we just watched the original Tron
last week, Yes, two weeks ago. Did you end up
revisiting Tron legacy? I did? Oh, okay, so you were
you were like trond up.
Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I was ready to go. I wanted to be all
prepped and ready so I would understand where the story
was going.
Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
So by the time you went, you were like, it's
Tron in time. Yes, I was, Well, I'm just gonna
say it. Look, this this is a movie that the
reaction has certainly been polarized. Uh. I'm kind of like,
I don't know what people were expecting, because I I
enjoyed myself. I think it is a vision, really delightful.
It has an amazing soundtrack. I found the story was
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serviceable enough to get me through and in and around
the visuals. But this is a franchise that's always been
driven by visuals, and I got many things in this
movie that I would want to see in a Tron movie,
and had never seen any Tron movie. So I left
the theater quite happy with what I got.
Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Qbrian, So I know, I'm glad. You know, I would say,
as a fan of this world in the past two movies,
especially actually revisiting Tron Legacy, I liked it more than
I remembered.
Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
That is a movie that holds up to repeat viewings.
I think it does, I think, and it feels, and
I think it's quite quite poignant, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Poignant, and it still feels. What I think is so
special about it is Tron in nineteen eighty two. Tron
still somehow feels singular. Yeah, like no other film feels
like that movie. And of course you know, you got
the unique visuals, but just the tone of it, and
I don't I mean, there's the nature of the way
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that it was captured and all these you know, the
type of score that it has, all these components to
it that can make it feel that way. But it's
whatever it is. It feels unto itself. It's it's a
really amazing little film. And tron legacy comes out in
an era where now everyone can do, you know, amazing
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visual effects stuff. So how do you make a movie
with the same tools that everyone else can use and
is using right now, but make it feel different, make
it feel tron specific. And I think they nail it.
I think the grid, I think all the characters, I
think the lore that comes out of it with these
sort of like magical beings that just sort of show up,
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and how people feel about it within the grid like,
it just feels unto itself. It feels like another singularly
tron thing. I think with this one, I would say
I enjoyed it enough, but I couldn't help but feel
slightly underwhelmed by it, Yeah, because it didn't feel as
singularly tron as the first two did for me, right,
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I would say like this one to me felt like
a competent sci fi movie with occasionally elevated visuals and
a powerful score an amazing score by nine nails. That
made it feel occasionally more than I think it actually is.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
No, I think it does, and I think that's a
fair response. I think for me, what what I appreciated
was the sense that this was clearly made by folks
who just dig this franchise, sure, and I appreciated that
this is so niche and they just really went for
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it with trying to expand the boundaries of this world.
And I there were so many interesting ideas. I loved
how they depict hacking in.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
The me Too. That was pretty fun, which I mean,
if you want to say what it.
Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Is, yeah, you have essentially you've got you've got different
grids representing the different software companies, and so if you've
got somebody at this company hacking into this other company, well,
you know in in in the Tron Diverse, how is
that depicted? And it's like in this army of people
who are scaling a fortress and trying to get in.
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I'm like, I love that, right, That's that's the that's
because that happens early on in the film. I'm like,
this is what I want from a Tron movie. I'm like,
give me a clever way of of anthropomorphizing these concepts
that we take for granted about computing in the real world.
Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
See and You're You're, You're, You're making me think, uh.
I think that might have been part of my issue
with it a little bit. Is I love that stuff,
and I think a lot of this movie takes place
in the real world. Yeah, and the characters aren't really
that interesting in the human characters. The human characters Greta Lee, who.
Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
I like, like I fact her in the movie. Though
I thought she was good, I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Feel a lot for her. I felt like she didn't
I don't know, like I didn't really get her or
like what she liked, what she didn't like, if she
was scared, if she was. She just kind of like
drifted along for me. That's the way it played for me.
And maybe it's because Evan Peters, playing Dillinger's grandson or
whatever was so big. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
So I.
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Even in tron Legacy, I mean, when they show the
human world, there's still this like unique thing and it
could be the Joseph Kaczinski of it all like that.
Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I think he's just a very good director.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, but it's still even the real world still feels
not like it could have been in any other film
than Tron the way that he captures it, the nature
of it or something, and it just that whole movie
feels of a piece. And I feel like in this
I found I liked everything that was in Everything that
had to do with tronness I really liked. But I
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think there was so much of it in the real
world and other sort of things to it that it
ultimately overall felt more like a fine twenty twenty five
blockbuster in Tron clothing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
No, I I think that's that's to me apt. No,
I think I think that's apt. It's it's tricky, right
because it's like, how how much do you? How much
do we look at this film in terms of what
it isn't That was my thought, like because I know
and this is not you, this is me. I knew
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going in, like how this was developed as much more
of a straightforward sequel to Legacy, and then at some
point the letto of it all came in and and
what started as a tertiary character became the main character,
which I read that yeah, yeah, and I that I
find that slightly irksome if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Yeah, you know, well, what did you think of if
I'm sorry, No, I don't want to no, no, we'll
get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Well, well I was gonna ask, I mean, what do
you think of that character? I mean, he basically plays
a computer program who you know, just follows orders, but
then he comes to understand humanity a little bit or
get a glimp, gets a glimpse of it, and is
intrigued by it and starts to grow as a character.
Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
I mean, did that What I said in my review
in the Chronicle is I was like, oh, this is
like Vim Vendor's Wings of Desire or if you've seen
the movie City of Angels with the Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Yeah wow, that's great. Yeah right, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
It's because he you know, he plays and for those
who haven't seen either Wings of Desire or City of Angels,
it's it's about an angel who who falls in love
with a human and wants to be human as a result,
which is essentially Leto's arc in this right, I'll be honest,
I liked the arc for his character. I thought that
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was interesting. I kind of dug that he essentially he
hacks in and he just he falls in love with
everything he learns about her, and and there's this moment
where he he he's been you know. The whole movie
centers around this idea of essentially what we see in
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the first movie, right where that Orange gets demateialized in
the story in the computer and then and then it
gets you know, output it back to the real world.
So this is that's what Now. Now we have companies
competing to do that. It's like three D printing life,
right right. And so you you have the Aris character
who exists in the real world for a certain amount
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of time because the Dillinger Company hasn't quite figured it out,
and so he has to to get her the Eve character,
and then he as he's interacting with her, he kind
kina he evinces pain and she's like oh my gosh,
or like are you okay or something, and he he
keys in on the fact that she has an empathetic response,
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and that is sort of what makes him say, oh,
this is what I want to be like like that
changes his old perspective. Yeah, and I like that. I
really liked that that idea of I mean, it's an
old story, right. The automaton that wants to be real.
I mean it's Pinochia, yeah, like Iron Giant or yeah right,
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and and so in that sense, it's going through some
hoary tropes, but it's plugging them into a Tron the
Tron grid, if you will. And I like that. I
kind I like the Tron universe, and so I like
it being purposed in these new storytelling ways. And I
like that Tron. I mean I was joking about how
Tron is not in this nor is Alan, nor is
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Bruce box Lightner not mentioned, neither Hide nor hair. That
does irk me. But Tron is also this universe, and
it's an interesting universe. And so when we have things
like light cycles racing through Los Angeles, that's visually exciting
to me.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
All that stuff I really loved. And then the what
do you call that? The you know, it looks like
the thing from space recognizer recognizer, and that was good.
I mean, that's in the trailer. But when that's going
through the city, that's that's when I started like sitting
up again in my life really interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
And then and then cycling back to Jared Leto, I
mean obviously there's there's you know, everything surrounding him. But
in my opinion, in this film, he is a net neutral.
I don't think he brings it down, he doesn't necessarily
raise it up, but he's I don't think he is
bad in this movie.
Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I agree with what you just said. I mean, yeah,
I I'm not the hugest fan of him, but yeah,
that's a good way of putting it. I I don't
think he did a bad job. I don't think he
elevated it either. But I did enjoy that character. I
enjoyed their turn coupled with him. You know, you have
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his sort of sidekick, I guess you could say a
Pena played by Jodie Turner Smith, and she, yeah, a
little more focused on the mission. And I did like
her then as he sort of becoming interested in humanity
and her sort of sticking to her mission and being
the one. You know, I enjoyed her becoming the antagonist.
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I thought that was those two energies were fun.
Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Athena was like I've been reading Reddit. You don't want
anything to do with you, yes, which I respect that.
Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah, but yeah, so I guess it's so funny because
this is one of those funny things where like I
don't disagree with what you're saying. And I almost wonder
if having watched those first two and then going into this,
it just wasn't the movie I was expecting. Yeah, and
I stand by it. I mean, those were my feelings,
just that it felt a little less stan than the
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others as a Tron film, but but the Tron stuff
was still cool, and as a theater experienced, those visuals
and the The Nine Nails score are pretty awesome. And
there's part of me that almost wants to go watch
it again now that I'm a little calibrated.
Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
And hich metrical experience.
Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and like maybe it's not to say that I
would maybe even like it more, but I might enjoy
it in a different way, you know what I mean,
and just kind of sit back and take it for
what it is and enjoy the audio visual experience of
it or something.
Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
I think that. So, I think what helped me going
in is I knew there was no Bruce box Lighter
in it. I knew there was no Garrett Headland. I
knew that they were not substantively continuing where Tron Legacy
left off, and that helped because I was not expecting
a straight up sequel. Yeah, and so I think I think,
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you know, you said calibration. I think I think I
was already sort of calibrated, Like, well, this is a
visit to the Tron Tron verse, I said in my review.
I was like, they should have called it from the
World of Tron.
Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, maybe not that that would have mattered.
Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Yeah, in terms of the box office, I think this
was doomed no matter what, barring something, based on the
ingredients they had, it was doomed. I don't know what
value added you could have put in to make it
do better. Yeah, agreed, Right, I mean, like, and this
is the thing. I'm like, Look, it's not like the
Tron franchise has ever been hugely successful. I do wonder
(01:31:29):
if they had proceeded with their original plan in twenty
twelve or twenty fifteen to make a sequel instead of
canceling it, would that have been a better idea? Yeah,
who don't say, I don't know. It's unknowable. I am.
Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
It could be the arenas on the internet that I'm
existing in. But I have seen a lot of negativity
around Jared Leto and people blaming it on Jared Leto, and.
Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
But I don't know how that it is an online
only That's.
Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
What I'm saying. I don't know how the general public
thinks about him, if they think about him at all.
Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I don't think they do. And this is not even
getting into all the weirdness surrounding him, like the stuff
he's been accused of of being a cult leader and stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Yeah, and sexual.
Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
In addition to that, right, so not minimizing any of that. Yeah,
that is. It is baffling to me that he continues
to get very high profile roles such as this.
Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Agreed. I don't know if I said allegedly when I'm
throwing it allegedly for our lawyers.
Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Yeah, but he's been developing this for years and years
and years almost.
Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
He's like a Tron fanboy.
Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean all that to say
he's been attached to this for a while.
Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Since at least twenty eighteen. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
And he's a producer on this.
Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah yeah, this is kind of his thing, and you
can see why. That's how they ended up making Areas
into the main character whatever. I think the movie exists
as a as a peon to that original movie, you know,
and we get that great recreation of the original grid,
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which you know, look, maybe I'm the problem. We were
talking about toxic nostalgia. You know what. My short hair
stood up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Yeah, I mean maybe I don't know if we're gonna
get into spoilers, so we need to to be honest. Okay,
so we'll just say mild spoilers. Yeah, yes, they eventually
he is.
Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
For this was in the commercials, so I feel like, oh,
it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Oh I didn't I didn't know that. But yes, he
goes into the nineteen eighty two grid, and dude, I
lit up right. Yeah, I almost wish I you know
what I thought. I wish if I could like give
notes on this thing and it was still in development,
I would almost want like a Star Wars third act,
where you have like three battles happening at once that
you keep cutting between. And I wanted something more important
to happen in the old grid. So we're seeing I mean,
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those are all things I want to see. I want
to see the recognizer going down.
Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
A street and people would the new one, the.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
New one in the real world, and then I also
want to cut to an important battle happening in the
nineteen eighty two graphics of the you know, like another
light cycle. I want to see a light cycle race again,
you know, like I wish there had been more to that,
but it not. A whole lot comes of that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yeah, I mean it's it's very much Member Berry's yeah. Yeah,
and then and we get you know obi Wan Lebowski.
Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Yes, it's very much that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yes, right, and you know what, Look, I'm just happy
to see Jeff Bridges as Kevin Flynn again. What can
I say?
Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
I'll take it. I'll take it. And you know, the
Permanence Code, I mean, all of it doesn't make any sense,
but like I dug that that stuff I was like
totally cool with. I like the sort of dark Man
element where it's like they can three D print something
but only last for twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
I was just saying, you know, I sorry, I mean
I like, I like what Flynn says. He's like they
should call it the impermanence code. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
We did invite a lot of questions. So I'm like,
is he like a human being? Now? Like is pooh?
You know, like what's he is?
Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
A person? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Yeah, so that's what that that he's like a superperson Okay,
so see, you know, all right, maybe I didn't get that,
but it is kind of well I get now we're
talking about the ending now, so okay, I'm I'm just
putting this out there. If you don't want to know
the ending, I'm gonna say it now in like three seconds.
But yeah, you basically end with him now as like
kind of a human. I didn't realize he was still
(01:35:23):
like superhuman, but like him at that cafe. Yeah, and
he's going to go on and kind of have these
adventures supposedly. Well well, okay, well hold on a second. No,
I'm I'm functioning, functioning under the assumption he's superhuman because
he in the third act he kicks ass like a superperson.
Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
When he comes back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
I like, I'm losing all credibility here because I don't
even really remember, but I think he is probably. I mean,
you know, I also may just be conditioned from like
superhero movies and everything where everyone can do anything. Like
he's in a glowing suit. Of course he can do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Meanwhile, my my, you know, infant brain is all it
took for me is you know, he comes back and
his suit is all dark and then it lights up
and it's blue.
Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I was like, whoah blue, yeah, blue.
Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
And my arms were waving like I'm up it. That's
all it took for me. I'm an easy lay when
it comes to the Drawn franchise.
Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
I literally was telling someone, They're like, what do you
think Zachi thought about it? I literally said, I think
he's an easy like like he likes there's an expression
he loves. He's an easy lay. And I'm like, I
think he's an easy lay for Tron and that's what
I love that I love. But you know what, it's funny.
I really am thinking about this and I didn't dislike
(01:36:44):
this or I didn't have a bad time. I just
think I felt like underwhelmed by enough of it to go,
oh yeah, but I still thought parts of it were cool.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
I would say I felt I felt whelmed. I was
really whelmed by this movie. I think at this point
it's like, if we are ever going to get another
Tron at all, you and I will probably be getting
ready to retire, right. So I'm like, okay, well, you
know what, this is two more Trons than I would
(01:37:17):
have expected. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm I'm
happy to have these as as I, and I do
think like I, you know, I think these are films
that the story is secondary to the visual rasthmotas, and
I think I think each of these three does some
unique interesting things that make them stand apart. And of
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the three, I would say probably the second is the best.
Directed to your point, but I think there are enough
interesting effect sequences in this one to make me say
this is doing some some fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
I like you said that because I think that's true.
I do think, okay, scripts or stories or characters or
whatever you want to call it are able to hide
behind more rasmatas in one and two, and I think
maybe there's less rasmatas in three, so it's a little
bit more exposed or something. But yeah, the rasmataz is fun,
(01:38:19):
and I would if you're a Tron person, I mean,
you gotta go watch this.
Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Well that's Tron I appreciated, except that there is, in
fact not more Tron. But yes, you're right, well, yes,
does a Tron shaped void in the whole thing, which
which is irksome to me. Yeah, I mean just to mention,
just a mention of Alan Bradley would have been enough
for me. Honestly, Well, you.
Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Know what that's kind of all right, where's spoilers? Whereolers?
But I mean there's no Garrett headline. He's kind of
name checked at the beginning, but then at the end
we do see Cora and well and and Sam and
Sam yes, and it almost seems like Jared Leto's aries
is going to go look for them. Yeah, and so yeah,
I mean, I doubt we'll get that movie, but I
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thought that was kind of interesting because there are a
lot of revelations made in the second one about how
what's discovered in the grid could change the world.
Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Well, and then I guess in this one they introduced
a new thing that could change the world.
Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
And you know, yeah, well, so you've got this the
the device, you know, the digitizing device that's used in
the first film is kind of the mcguffin that's driving
you know, the both the companies in this, right. And
and if you actually stop and think about the real
life logistics of a device that can just print fruit,
(01:39:44):
your brain will will you know, create a singularity and
collapse in itself. Right, And it's inherently ridiculous, But I mean, again,
this is you and I talked about this when we
watched the first Tron, You're like, well, what's happening with
this orange. I'm like, don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
You know, I didn't in this one. I don't care.
I get it. It's a magic laser.
Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
It's a magic laser. I think that for me, I
kind of dug that, Like, the second Tron is roughly
thirty years after the first one, and we get we
get to catch up on, oh, this is what has
happened to Encom in the interim, and then now here's
fifteen years later, what has happened to Encom in the interim?
And I kind of like that they've they've got this.
(01:40:27):
You know, it's like a real world history sort of
playing out with these these these companies. The Dillinger thing
was interesting to me only in that the second movie
has Killian Murphy there as clearly a villain in waiting, yep,
and they do nothing with him, right, they don't. You know,
I would assume that Academy Award winner Killian Murphy doesn't
(01:40:49):
have time for for these these you know, primary colored shenanigans.
But first of all, I'm like, man, is this family
just evil? From from from tip to tail?
Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Right? Yeah, every generation has passed down yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Also, how much was Jillian Anderson wasted in this movie?
I know she's like, this is this is disgraceful. What's happening? Son?
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
She's yeah, yeah, she's like Margaret Thatcher, you know, yes, yeah,
and then oh goodness and she's stabbed and that's it mom.
Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Yeah that's basically yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah, that being said, I I enjoyed Evan Peters man.
He was he was he was playing your your twenty
twenty five model tech bro And I wrote this in
my review. I'm like, there's aren't There aren't many layers
other than boo and hiss. Yeah, but that feels entirely
if if you told me he's playing Shmilan Schmusk, I
(01:41:47):
would believe you.
Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah, but you know he doesn't. He's not wearing like
a hoodie, and he's not like he feels like his
own thing in a great way. He's got a good energy.
Maybe I was just yeah, I wouldn't minded that from
a character.
Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Here's another thing I liked. I like that they brought
back the thing from the first movie where remember when
when Flynn is talking to Clue and it's like he's coding,
but Clue hears it like a conversation. And they did
the same thing in this where where where Julian Dillinger
is talking to aries within the grid, you know. And
(01:42:20):
I also like again that you've got this is the
Ncom grid, this is the Dillinger grid, and there are
all these different grids. Yeah, of course I don't know
that stuff all. I'm tickled by that stuff. How they
find clever ways of of of literalizing you know, this
this technological the jargon stuff and making it making it
into a real world, a real battlescape.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
You know. No, I agree, I I you already brought
it up. But I like giggled with delight when he
was hacking into Encom and you just see this army
of guys like like right, you know, charging forward and
climbing over it. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Yeah, although it was weird that that Cameron Monahan is
like the like the wounded warrior on areas aside and
has to leave him behind, you know what I'm talking
about in the beginning. Oh yeah, Yeah, that was weird
to me because I'm like, he's a familiar enough actor
that you know, because he's you know, he's been in
(01:43:18):
Gotham and he was you know, he's a Jedi fallen
Order and he's oh, yeahs. So it was weird because
he he doesn't reappear in the movie. And I just
found that that that was interesting. That's you know, maybe
that was deliberate, like they want you to like, oh,
that's somebody you recognize.
Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Yeah, and ors cut.
Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
I don't know, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe it got trimmed down.
Yeah yeah, but yeah. I mean either way, this is
likely the last Tron of our lifetimes. So I'm just here.
I'm just enjoying whatever we get. That's me. I'm sipping.
I'm sipping that blue Tron water.
Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
You know, it's funny when you mentioned that earlier, I
was thinking it would be kind of funny if they
did come out with one later. And I was picturing
like DiCaprio and Ken wanton Abbe and uh Inception when
they're old in that room. That was picturing you and
I in a theater looking like that. Here we are
and you're like old men. Then I'm like filled with
regret and it's like Tron four, but it starts on
(01:44:20):
the screen.
Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
See, I was saying, like, yeah, you know, I'm just
I'm just dripping drinking my blue Tron water and then
like ram I will get exhausted and die. I'd say
I lived a good life. Yeah, so hey, tron aries,
I I liked it more than Brian.
Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Yeah, and I would still say, like like tron heads,
definitely check it out. For people who are like I'm
cool just going to something that's like a dazzling show,
check it out. Otherwise, you know, it's it's it's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
If if you have avoided a tron thing up until
this moment, this isn't gonna be your on ramp.
Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Yeah, exactly, you know, uh I think that you know,
I I sure would have liked you know, there's there's
a little business set up in the mid credits scene
that I would have liked to see them do something with.
Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Oh definitely, yeah, yeah, what kind of a bum spoilers,
but uh yeah, Dillinger becomes like Sark.
Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
He becomes Sark, he finds Sark's disc. I don't know
how that happened, and I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
That's what I want to see more of.
Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Yeah, he was he was the make it happen somehow,
he was the user now he's the program. That's that's
kind of fascinating. To be honest, this guy, you know,
and I actually that whole thing of like, oh everybody's
coming for Julian Dillinger. His only escape is to go
into the grid. I don't know, man, that's that's good stuff.
Like mmm uh yeah. So there we are tron aries,
(01:45:58):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
I'm so glad it exists though, that's okay, it was
so unlikely that this would happen.
Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
That's kind of where I'm at. I say this all
the time, that money ain't coming into or going out
of my pocket, right right, Well I have is my
experience with the film, and this particular one, I had
a grand old time.
Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yeah, and that's Tron got another swing.
Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Delights me absolutely. So join us again in twenty forty
five when we'll let you know what we think of
Tron Forever or whatever that next. But hey, let us
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You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals
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Well with that on behalf of my partner Brian Home.
My name is Zachie Hassan. This has been episode three
twenty eight of the Movie Film Podcast. We will be
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
I guess Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three twenty eight,
brought to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zachi Hasan.
I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
How's it going, Zachy?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hey Man. October is almost in the rear view, so
we're hell I know, I know. The crazy thing, honestly
is that is that we're we're basically two and a
half months away from the end of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm still you know, Usually there's that weird thing where
like the new number for the year in January looks
kind of exotic where you're like, whoa, that's a new number.
It just looks so new and fresh and exciting, and
then it kind of wears off throughout the year and
you get used to it. Like I'm still not used
to twenty twenty five. That still feels fresh and new
to me in a weird way. So I can't believe it.
(01:01):
I can't believe we're already here.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I feel like we're still in twenty fifteen, and if
I'm being honest, I kind of wish we were still in.
That was a good year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That reminds me for a long thing in my mind
that I won't get into. But it brings me to Halloween.
Do you guys dress up? Do your kids still go out?
I mean you have some young'in's, do you have a
Do you ever go out with them and dress up?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I definitely don't dress up. I used to go trig
or treating with them.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That got old fast, how so like just wandering the sidewalks.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, it's weightedious. Yeah, I don't like any of that.
So I don't even know. To be honest, I don't
know what the protocol is. I don't think they go
trick or treating. I mean, I'm not stopping them, just
to be clear, but I think they maybe kind of
past it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah yeah, And I know, and you know, I don't
have kids, so these are things I pick up from
other people. But I know there's like this whole new
thing now where basically people that you know meet in
parking lots and kind of like open their trunks up.
So you're not just going to strangers' houses to get candy.
You're sort of having the experience, but you're doing it
amongst a group of people that you know.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's so, is this just fear of going to strangers houses?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I just I know
that's a thing that can like happen like sometimes in
church parking lots or mall parking lots or something. I've
had friends tell me they do that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, we used to do a thing like they used
to have trick or treat at the mall.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, right, right right, And we.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Have a mall, or we had, I should say, I'm
all very very close to our house, you know, so
we used to just take them around. But that mall
is just a desiccated husk of a thing now, so
I don't I don't think there's a much of anything
going on there anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
All I know is Halloween night. That's when I turn
off all the lights and tell all everybody in the
house to shut the hell up. That's that's how I roll.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
You guys are all under the table, yeah, rings like, yeah,
that's funny.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's like hiding from the raptors. Yes, but what have
you been up to?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh man, let's see, Well I watched a few things. Actually,
everything I've watched lately, I've kind of enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So that's good. Is that a little tell about our
discussion later in the episode? Will see?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Eh, you know, I wasn't gonna mention this, but I'll
just throw it out there because I finished it so recently.
But I watched an older movie called Devil in a
Blue Dress A yeah, with the d intel uh huh
from nineteen ninety five Don Cheatle playing a sort of
smaller but very memorable role, and it's just this cool
nineteen forties, you know, la noir, and when you know,
(03:46):
it's a guy who begins he just needs work, and
so he decides he'll spy on someone for money, and
then he gets, of course sucked into this big conspiracy
and by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Easy Rollins that's the character's name.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Holy crap, is that off the top of your brain.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I saw that movie when it came out, and that's
like the that's the only thing I remember about that
movie is easy Rollins. I just thought that was a
cool name.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ezekiel, right, yes, yeah, yeah, dude, your mind will never cease.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Fascinatingly, it's it's a it's a it's an overgrown labyrinth.
Of a thing in there.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's incredible. Well it's it's from director Carl Franklin, who
I'm not super familiar with, but as I was watching it,
I looked it up because I was like, who directed this?
I love the style, like it's it's not uh over
the top, it's just perfectly suited. And anyway, and then
when it was over, yeah, you know, when the mystery
(04:42):
is is finished, you know, easy is like, ah, you know,
maybe I'll give this a shot being a PI Let's
see how that goes. And immediately I went to Amazon
to see if there were books because I was like,
I want to read these books. I like this character,
I like this world. So yeah, apparently a Criterion put
out like a Blu ray or whatever of it a
(05:03):
couple of years ago. So I assume it's streaming on
their channel, and yeah, it's it's not too hard to find.
But anyway, I yeah, if people want to see like
a young Denzel crushing it in a nineteen forties La noir,
it's like almost ninety minutes, you know, it's just a
little over that. It just breezes by and I don't know,
exudes style that I really enjoyed. So yeah, it's kind
(05:25):
of a still swelling in my brain, so I figure.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'll bring it up. Well, Well, Carl Franklin he did
two movies. One is he did to two movies that
I remember. One is one True Thing I don't know,
which is very good. It's like a family drama with
William Hurt and Meryl Streep as a married couple, Reneeselwegger
(05:48):
as their daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I remember, I just googled it. I remember this poster.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, it was. That was like probably right around the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Time we met, you know, yeah, ninety eight. Okay, that's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And then and then he did a movie called Out
of Time, Yes, which I remember thinking was okay, I
don't remember much about it. That was also at Denzel.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yes, yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Starring Denzel Washington and Dean Kane the one and only
time in history. Wait you will be able to utter
Dean Kane? Yeah? No, Yeah, maybe I'm thinking of another film.
This is Eva Mendez is in it and oh Man, interesting. Yeah,
I'm just kind of scrolling through his stuff right now. Yeah,
(06:33):
I think I am thinking what was the other one. Oh,
I've been thinking of the Tony Scott one. Oh Man
on fire.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No, there was another one that didn't involve like science fiction.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Deja vu, DejaVu.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's sorry, that's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that was not a good movie.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, but I'm curious out of time and then one
false move. I know that title. So I'm thinking, yeah,
I want to dig into this guy's filmography here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, some interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, but some other stuff I watched a little more recent,
not that that makes it any better, but something that
recently dropped was this documentary called.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I Like Me. Yeah, man, I need to see this.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah. So it's a documentary about the life of John Candy, and.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I've been actually thinking I may wait and watch it
closer to Thanksgiving. That's kind of been in my thought
process right now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. You know,
it's and for people who aren't familiar. I mean, I
was shocked to see that he passed away in the
year nineteen ninety four. I was like, Wow, has it
really been that long?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think one of his most famous roles, of course,
is Del Griffith and planes, trains, and automobiles, which is
just iconic and no one else could have played that role.
Like he did Uncle Buck, Spaceballs, cool Runnings, great Outdoors,
and he you know, has memorable supporting roles and home
Alone and vacation and Blues Brothers. But he's just one
(07:58):
of a kind, you know, kind of a hearty fellow
who had like a a really sincere, warm smile, but
like maybe a hint of heartbreak behind the eyes. And
so he brought that to all his roles and it
just made you love the guy. And it's what's interesting
about the documentary is it begins with Bill Murray basically saying,
(08:19):
I don't know if you're going to find anyone to
say thing negative about this guy. And it's kind of true.
And I did read one review about it afterwards where
they gave it a lower rating for that reason, whereas
like they didn't really dig in, and I was like,
you know, I understand, I understand, like they this isn't
(08:41):
a movie that's like searching for dark places or like
if something was a little bit of a hard moment
for him. It doesn't like really dig into that, right,
And that's fair. But to me, though, I don't see
that as a flaw. I look at it. What they
were trying to create here was a celebration of a
person who people may not remember as well all these
(09:03):
years later, and for people like us who did grow
up with him, we get to spend time with some
of his closest friends telling stories about him, and including
his children, tell stories, and you get to see a
lot of clips, a lot of you know, things of
course you recognize, but things from SCTV which I hadn't
seen before. Actually, Conan O'Brien talks about the first time
(09:27):
he saw John Candy and it was from this sketch
and he says that that sketch rewired his brain. And
they show the sketch and I burst out laughing. It
was so unexpected and funny.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
The first time I ever saw John Candy was on SCTV. See,
you know, SETV.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I remember being something that was on late at night.
And I don't mean this in a negative way per se,
but to my younger brain it almost felt like Bootleg SNL,
which is funny because as a kid that was a
negative thing, but as in a that almost seems like
a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah you know what I mean, that's really see. I
didn't see SNL until later, Oh okay, yeah, I because
I remember visiting edmundon Summer of eighty seven, and my
cousin was like, oh my god, this show so funny,
and it was SCTV, and I just remember John Candy
because his name Candy, right, and as a little kid,
you're like, oh, that's like a memorable name.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And then it was only later that I found oh,
he's in all these movies, you know, Oh interesting, But
I knew him and Eugene Levy. I first was introduced
to them on on SCTV.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh how funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean, well
that leads me to something that I thought once it
was finished, Well, real cook, I do want to make
a woman note like it's this is It's gonna make
you laugh, but it'll also make you tear up because
the guy was just so endearing, and you know, some
of the things they get into is, you know, his
weight is a big factor in his life. It's part
(10:54):
of what he brought to his roles and made him
seem like a very huggable sort of figure. But it
was also something that you know, may have contributed to
his early passing, right. And they show a lot of
interviews where people are less than gracious talking about it
or addressing it to his face, like the archival stuff. Yes, sorry, yes,
(11:17):
the archival stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And one of the moments that actually generally made tears
come out of my eyes and not just tear up
was this Candy is talking to this woman, I'm not
sure who she is, this journalist, and he's talking about
how he chooses he's choosing family over a fast lifestyle
because he wants to be here for a long time,
(11:41):
And without even thinking, the interviewer just immediately puts her
hand on his shoulder and is like, do stay that
way please, like she genuinely cares about him and wants
him to be around for a long time. And it just,
I don't know, it just brought all these emotions in
me because I felt the same thing looking at him,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So, and another thought that I thought was kind of interesting.
I thought that I thought was interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
My thought.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Was when it was over and it was showing the
credits and all the people who were talking about them.
I mean, it's Steve Martin, Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy, Martin short,
Conan O'Brien, and I was like, oh, I love all
these people, you know, Like what a nice group of
really talented humans who when I think of those people specifically,
(12:28):
I think about the nice energy they put into the world,
you know, And these are the people who admire Candy.
These are the people who are close to Candy, And
these are the people I'm gonna I don't want to
lose either, you know, Like I just it some you know,
it brought my attention to what an interesting and genuine
collection of people participated in this, and I just think
(12:49):
all of that contributes to the warm feelings. And it's
on Amazon Prime and for fans of Candy or just
casual fans who you know one of, like I said,
one sort of spend time with him, hear about him
being kind of celebrated by his friends, or just learn
who he was because maybe your dad showed you spaceballs
and you'd like to learn a little bit more about him.
(13:09):
I think I think this is a nice This is
time well spent.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
This past weekend, just by chance, my brother was visiting
and I was on YouTube and there was the clip
from Plain Strings and Automobiles, you know, in the hotel
room when when Neil just goes off, you know, and
you know, the a chatty Kathy Chattykathy do yah, And
and I was saying, I don't remember if I said
(13:35):
this in our commentary track, which is, you know, a
while ago. But like, the reason that scene works so
well is the fact that we keep playing it off
of Dell's reaction yep, right, how we keep cutting it now.
You can imagine another version where you would just be
on Steve Martin for the whole time and he'd be
laughing hysterically. But the movie never lets you do that, yep,
(13:56):
because every single time you're forced to reckon with the
hurt that words are causing. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And the way that Candy specifically can go from this
like very very genial guy on the plane, ah, you
know whatever, to like wounded.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I mean, it's just a no one else could have
brought what Candy did to that role. And for I mean,
it's obviously we bring that movie up a lot, We've
done a commentary for it. But but if anyone out
there hasn't seen planes, trains and Automobiles, I can't think
of a movie that I more wholeheartedly recommend to you.
I think it's lovely, a lovely little miracle of a film. Yeah, yeah,
(14:36):
well said, and then also I didn't plan to catch this,
but I had an opportunity and I was kind of curious.
But I saw this movie called roof Man.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
So this is a Channing Tatum Kirsten Dunst, and I'd
seen the trailer a couple months back, and basically it's
about it's a true story, or based on a true story,
about this guy who they call him Roofman because he
would go to the roofs of McDonald's bust through where
(15:13):
he would wait for the crew to show up in
the morning. Then he'd put them in the walk in
refrigerator and rob them. But what's unique about it is
everybody was always saying how nice he was, you know,
and when he would put them in the refrigerators, if
they didn't have coats, he would give them his coat,
you know, like they're like, well, yeah, he was kind
of like a nice guy, like you know, they all
(15:34):
had like nice things to say about him. So anyway,
he gets busted, and this is all on the trailer.
This is the setup for the story. He gets busted
after I want to say, hitting forty five McDonald's, and
you know he's a family and kids. He gets put
in jail and he's just desperate to see his kids again,
and so he figures out a way to escape. And
(15:56):
while he's waiting for the heat to cool down, while
everyone's search for him in the area, he holds up
in a Toys r Us. So that's what you see
in the trailers, like, you know, they sell it sort
of as a bouncy you know. So he had to
hide and the Toys r Us and it's him on
those wheelie shoes, you know, with teddy bears on his
shoulder and sunglasses and a feather boa and like, and
(16:17):
it was a blast. And while he's there, because he
needs to make sure that no one's on to him
and he wants to monitor people, he does he sets
it literally, he sets up baby monitors around the store
so he can kind of keep tabs on people. And
in the process he kind of falls for an employee
played by Kirsten Dunst, and she's having a toy drive
(16:39):
at her church. He's hiding out on a toy store,
so he brings all the toys to her church, meets her,
and they start falling for each other. And that's the setup.
That's the thing. So when I saw the trailer, I
was like, that looks different. That just looks like a
nice human story, and so I went to check it
out and I got to say, I really really like
this movie a lot. But I think is interesting though,
(17:01):
is it's not the bouncy, feel good comedy the trailer
makes it out to be, because I mean, when you
really think about it, it's very sad. I mean, this
guy is kind of, you know, making selfish decisions that
keep him from his family he wants to be so
close to. And then it's very sweet how he falls
for this character, Christian Dunz's character, and she has these
(17:24):
daughters and he you know, endears himself to them. But
there's sort of that, you know, like movies like The
Departed or Donnie Brascow, where like these people are developing
relationships under false pretenses and so you know there's inevitably
like the bottom has to drop out and things have
to be revealed and it's not going to be good.
And so this movie is very fun and I laughed
(17:48):
a lot, and Chanting Tatum just brings he's just perfected
that sort of charming goofball thing. Now he's gotten very
very good. I think as an actor, and it makes
that character very likable. But there is a twinge of
melancholy that kind of runs through the whole film at
the same time, and I was really into it. I mean,
(18:10):
I just didn't know where the movie was going. And
by virtue of it being a true story, I mean,
it can feel a little shaggy because it just kind
of has to follow the events as they happened and
not invent things to put twists and turns and things
into it. But I was engaged the whole way, and
my theater was too. I saw it on a Tuesday
night and my theater was full. And when it ends,
(18:31):
well and everybody's laughing, everybody's gasping, you know, making sounds.
And then when the movie ends, you know, half the
theater gets up as soon as the credits start. And
then during the credits, they showed interviews with the actual
people who were involved. So, okay, here's some Dun's character,
the pastor from the church, blah blah blah blah blah,
and everybody who had stood up, stopped like stopped and
leaned against a wall or took a new seat because
(18:53):
everyone wanted to see these people talk about the real experiences,
and so to me, I was like, well, so this
movie succeeded, but it was just kind of a bummer
because you know, it didn't perform great. I think it
opened to about eight million. I don't know that. I'm
seeing a lot of people talking about it, and it's
it's just one of those weird movies. It feels like
it's from another era, you know, and it's it's a
(19:16):
little too nuanced to feel like a Netflix film, but
it doesn't feel awardsy enough that I think it'll be
brought up a lot during award season. It's just like
a good adult dramedy about people. And I really enjoyed it.
And if that sounds interesting to anybody, I would I
would definitely recommend it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, I I definitely want to see that, so that
that's been on my on my radar for sure, I.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Think you and Amena would really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, that's I'm hoping we can sneak away and watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, how about yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You know, I saw a great documentary this past week
called My Mom Jane. Okay, I don't know this which
is which is on HBO. I think it's been on
there since the Summer. But this is directed by Marishka
hargatee oh this yeah, okay. She she of Law and
Order Special Victims Unit.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And so.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The documentary is about her her mother, who's Jane Mansfield, right,
famous actress from the fifties and sixties. You know, she
was a sex symbol in the Marilyn Monroe vein. And
she died young in an automobile accident. Right, And Muska
hargate was three at the time her mother died. She
was actually in the car. Oh wow, yeah, along with
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her her siblings. But so she's she has grown up
and become a star and in her own right, you know,
And she's always grappled with the fact that obviously she
didn't she didn't have any real memory of her mom,
and only the only image of her available is this
sort of manufactured sex bomb, right, right. And so this
(20:50):
is a movie about her trying to find her mom,
essentially by virtue of connecting with her siblings or many siblings.
But it's more than that. I mean, it's a it's
a journey. It it you know, there are times where
you're you're you're leaning forward, you know, to want to
see what's going to happen next, you know, I mean
it's it's masterfully put together and it's incredibly emotional. You know,
(21:16):
I I couldn't help but watch it. You know, you
have all of her her and her adult siblings or
many siblings, and they're talking about what they remember. They're
differing recollections of their mother, and you know, I can't
help but think, like, how, like, my I got six kids,
you know, what is that? What is that going to
be like when they're grown ups? How are they going
to look back at me? You know, you can't help
(21:40):
but think about that. So it's a terrific, terrific documentary.
It's it's on HBO right now, and you should absolutely
watch it. You will be You'll be absolutely engrossed by it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I definitely want to check that out because, yeah, I
don't know a lot about Mansfield, so, yeah, just to
learn a little bit about film history that I'm not
as familiar with.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same for me. Yeah. Uh, the
screening occurred, I should say, in the context of Marishka
Hargate having come to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, so this is a cool thing. First of all,
I should say. Like, so, so, you know, last week,
middle of last week or whatever, you know, I told
my wife, I'm like, hey, you know, there's a thing
coming up with the in the city. She's like, oh,
it's like a Q and A with Mushka Hargate. And
she goes, oh, the person who've had a crush on
since before we got married.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And I said, yes, he told the kids I have
to run out for cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So uh, going and attending to sitting in the Q
and A was good enough. But afterwards the publicist was like, oh,
this is Aqui Asan. He's a critic with the chronicle.
She you know, and actually had me introduced me to her,
you know. And it was funny because I got to
you know, I have an autograph picture of her from
like back in two thousand and seven that I had
(23:13):
gotten and so I was like, you know, back in
the day, you know, I got this autograph from you,
and it's and she can tell just from the headshot
like how old it is, you know, And I was like,
and then I was able to pull up, you know,
on my phone, I was able to pull up the
letter that I had written to her, and because this
was like again it's like two thousand and seven, and
so I was like, oh, you know, she had just
(23:33):
had her her first child. And I was like, you know,
that was around when I had my wife and I
had just had our first child. I had mentioned that
in the context of the letter. So I just showed
her that and I'm like, you know, that kid is
like in college now. And she's like, get out of here.
My kid just started college too, and she's like, give
me a big high five, give me a big hug,
you know, and she's very tickled. And it was just
(23:54):
it was just a great conversation. Goose, just a great
you know, great chan to be able to be like,
you know, like I've been watching work all this time.
It's been it's been I've grown up with it, you know.
So that that was very cool, very unexpected. Yeah, but
here's here's an interesting adjunct to this story. So I
(24:16):
come into school the next day and I'm like, hey,
so and here's a cool thing that happened. And I say,
you know, and I met Marishka Hargate nothing from Lawn
and Order, Special Victims Unit, nothing and she plays Captain Benson. Nothing. Nothing,
I mean nothing, not even like a flicker of recognition.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And then you were like, no, let's remember the catchphrase
from Mike Meyers the Love Guru, and everyone went, ah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So I'm like, okay, well that's my seven thirty am.
Maybe they're a little bit out of it. So then
I'm like, okay, well I'm going to tell my nine
am kids that's a media class. They'll get it. Nothing same.
So then I'm like, okay, well, now I'm just compiling
data points. And I literally went through the whole week.
Every new class I would mention this, and almost to
the one I would say statistical aberrations, notwithstanding no, no
(25:05):
one knew who I was talking about. Real And I
bring this up only because I find this fascinating because
this is a show that is still airing right now,
right it's not I mean its TikTok?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Is it on TikTok?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Maybe not, that's the problem. So it's still airing and
it's still, as far as I know, one of the
highest rated shows on television. Yeah, and so when we
talk about the disconnect between the modern like the young'uns
and how they're getting their content versus just the the
traditional means of putting shows and things out there there there,
(25:43):
there's the yawning chasm right there.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It's yeah, I mean that you can witness that we're
old enough now to have witnessed those moments where something
was you know, culturally, something everyone was aware of, and
then you know, live long enough to see it. Just
I don't know if it could still be there, but
people have found their own things now.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's like to me, it's not like, oh, it's you
know the show it ended ten years ago. No, No,
it is currently airing. There are new episodes, you know,
laid out for the next several years at least. But
it's like we are so so completely contained within our
silos that there's just no overlap. And and I draw
(26:30):
a distinction with you know, you and I growing up
in the eighties and nineties, we still knew the Brady
Bunch and the you know and and the monsters and
all this stuff because we were exposed to stuff. So
there was this shared language that stretched across the decades. Yep.
I don't know, man, it makes me sad, that's all
I want to say.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, it's interesting. I don't know if we were
going to talk about this later, but I think this
relates now. I saw the headline that Jim Carrey maybe
playing George Jetson and a Jetson's movie directed and written
or at least co written by Colin Trevarro, which that
alone is a wild sentence, it really, but it makes
me think about Jim Carrey where when we were teenagers,
(27:14):
I mean, he was it like he he felt like
our guy. You know, he came firing like out of
like he was fired out of a cannon with one
year with ace Ventura, which is a huge hit, the mask,
huge hit, Dumb and Dumber one year, and all of
a sudden, in that time, he goes from making you know, whatever,
you know, change he's making, to like twenty million dollars. Yeah, right,
(27:37):
he and and then he has this crazy run and
the sequel to as Ventura and The Truman Show and
all these sorts of things. But then you know, he
has his you know, he makes the number twenty three.
He tries to do like his dramas, there's thrillers and stuff,
and then he kind of became like, oh, yeah, I
remember when Jim Carrey was funny, you know, kind of
a thing. Yeah, and like we missed that Jim Carrey
and there was like a dip for him, right, So
(28:00):
I find it fascinating that he's now on this comeback
with the Sonic films. Yeah, and I always wonder I
saw the last Sonic in a big, crowded theater with
a lot of kids and they love him.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And but to me, I am always I'm thinking, I'm
trying to relate it to my own experience, And I think,
would that be like me watching a movie in nineteen
ninety two where like Jerry Lewis, you know, it was
like playing the villain and I'm like, oh, that guy's
kind of funny, and my parents would be like, no,
that's Jerry Lewis.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Branis.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean, my god, sir, is that the simstance? Yeah,
that's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the when the langdon Algar when he's pouring the
thing on the on the soda on the spring building
here functioning without him. I mean, I mean, my god, I.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Can hear his whats invitement? That's so good. He's like
pouring soda over the machine.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Ye oh god, oh no.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But but it's interesting is that now he has carved
out a new place for himself once again with the youth.
So now today's youth Seeshon as doctor Robotnik, and I
think that's amazing. But I think this is also kind
of interesting because now it makes sense kids like Jim Carrey,
so you can put them in another big family movie,
(29:32):
I guess you could call it. But what's interesting is
the property is even older than us.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That okay, So that's that was my thought when I
heard this, because because at some point you and I
have talked about how maybe it was when we did
our Flintstones movie commentary track where it's like that when
the Flintstones came out, that movie, that was probably at
the outer edge of when you could make that movie.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Because we did grow up with it. It was on
in the morning for us as kids. But that was
about the end of it, right, And and.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I'm remembering when The Jetson's animated movie came out in
the late eighties. Yeah, maybe ninety, maybe it was ninety,
but regardless, I remember it coming out and being like, really, Jetson's.
I remember feeling that way too, even though I liked
the Jetson Yeah. Yeah, And Tiffany, do you remember that
pop star Tiffany played me?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Was?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, they they looped her. It wasn't originally they
they got rid of the original Judy boys, oh bummer,
and paid in service. I hope so too. So now
we're at a point where, look, I don't believe for
one second Jetson's has any relevance to to to anybody
(30:46):
under forty Yeah, you know, so, would I watched Jim
Carrey played George Jetson, I absolutely would, But I think
I would be very lonely in that theater.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Well, see, I have a lot of feelings about this, Like,
I actually think this could be really cool. I think
it's pretty great casting.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I agree, And.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
If there's someone with a funny take and a good
sense of humor, I could see that it's dazzling look
catching eyes even for people who don't.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Know what it is. So you don't think Colin Travarro's
the guy, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I don't know, I don't wanna you know. I think
he's had some hits and misses, let's put it that way.
But like I I this is such a lazy example,
but it makes me think of like if Seth Rogan
was doing it. I know he's kind of got a
perspective and he's got like a his own sort of voice, sure,
and it would be interesting to see what he would do.
(31:48):
I mean, he's doing well.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It's it's Seth Rogan doing the green hornet, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Which I didn't love, but I also didn't completely not love.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But it's like a weird it's a weird.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, that's a weird one. But you know what I mean,
Like if there was like a voice, Yeah, I don't
even have to know who this voice is, but if
there was a comedic voice behind it that I thought
was going to bring something specific to it, Yeah, that
would make me feel a little bit better at this
point about it. But yeah, I mean I'll be there too.
I'm very curious about it. I mean, I want to
(32:21):
see the ship and I want to see Astro and
you know, yeah and spacely sprockets and all that. But
it's weird. It's weird. That's why I brought it up.
It's talking about windows of cultural relevance. This is a
weird one that I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I think we are. We are well past the window
of the Jetson's cultural relevance definitely, right, Like it was
created in the sixties and so it lampooned the nuclear
family dynamic of the nineteen sixties and did what the
Flintstones did, but in the future. Yeah, well that was
already starting to feel outdated by the late eighties. When
(32:58):
when or the mid to late these which would be
when you and I you know, entered the picture. So
in twenty twenty five, what does the Jetson say to anybody?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know, why didn't we end up there? I
don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, it is
a very like retro future yeah aesthetic right where the
moving walkways and so I'm curious if they stick with
that sort of sixties sort of like with Fantastic Four
did recently, right, Oh, sure, past Summer where it's that
sixties future feel, that's what it would have to be.
(33:32):
I think it should. I think that's the most fun.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But yeah, well, uh, hey, we got some listener letters, Brian,
you have been for eighteen thousands, all addressed, You've got mail,
(33:57):
all right, Well, here's a note we got at Movie
Film Podcast at gmail dot com. This is from James Olsen,
who says, hey, Zachie and Brian, congratulations on your podcast
award nomination. It is most certainly well earned.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh, thank you, James, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
He is. As you know, I began listening to your
podcast about two and a half years ago, and since
then I've listened to your entire library. Wow wow, except
for the commentary track for Planet of the Apes. Oh,
that was our first commentary track by me. He says.
When I eventually draw this movie from my designated movie hat,
I will sync up your commentary to the movie and
(34:30):
watch it live.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He says. You two have done excellent work, and it
has been very entertaining and interesting listening to your show.
Evolved as well as understand the origins of the magnificent
Amberson's reference. He says, what I really wanted to discuss
was when Brian mentioned seeing Chinatown for the first time.
I actually let out an audible gasp when I heard that.
The first time I saw Chinatown was during spring break
(34:54):
of my first year in college. I was in a
terrible funk. I had entered my first year as a
chemistry slash physics major and found myself completely overwhelmed by
the massive change in the curriculum from high school to college.
By this point in my first year, I was failing
these classes necessary for my major, and in a state
of depression, I came home from a spring break and
decided to rent Chinatown, based solely on the fact that
(35:16):
I was a Nicholson fan and heard that he played
a private investigator in the movie. Talk about the perfect
role for young Jack. Yeah, I think you and I
said the same thing right. Needless to say, I was
blown away by the story that unfolded and the letter
perfect dialogue that each character spoke. As I sat there,
I thought to myself, if only I could write something
like this, And then it hit me. I had always
(35:37):
enjoyed creative writing and was more than eager to put
pen to paper to jop my thoughts down. I realized
then and there that I would switch my major to
English slash writing and broadcast journalism the following year. Once
I did my grades look at that. My grades dramatically
improved and I was able to graduate college. As I
write this to you now, I would also like to
mention that I'm completing the final revision of a novel
(35:57):
that I'm in hopes to submit in the first half
of now next year. It really is interesting. Whenever I
hear mentioned of Chinatown, I always pause and reflect about
a movie that literally changed my life.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
James, I wish you could see my face. That is,
I have the hugest smile on my face right now.
I love that. I love that story. Congrats, that is
super cool.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
He then adds ps, as you mentioned in your podcast,
Chinatown was about the water in Los Angeles and you
were uncertain what the plot points were for the next movie.
The Two Jakes is about oil, and the third movie
would have been about the airways of Los Angeles and
the battle of control regarding which airlines would dominate the
skies above. So there you go. Have you watched The
Two Jakes yet?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I do plan on it, And man, I really want
to see that third one. That sounds fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Too bad, we'll never get it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean we get the unofficial sequel about
the trolley car disappearing, right and who framed Roger Rabbit? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
But which is, by the way, I didn't obviously get
that until much later when I finally saw a Chinatown.
Brilliant You know what a brilliant like, Let's rip on
Chinatown and throw cartoon characters into it. But yeah, controlling
(37:09):
the La skies and airlines. Don't I don't know that
story that sounds fascinating. Rite it, James, there there you go, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Write the book. Okay. Here is a note we got
from Josh Hopman, who says, hey, guys, I always get
excited when I see a new podcast posted by you guys,
especially when it has to do with the new movie
in theaters that I just saw. You always have something insightful,
semi snarky, but also quite thoughtful things to say. Well,
thank you. I'm mostly the snarky, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh shoot, I just snorted.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're the snorty.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I'm the snorty. That's my seven dwarf name.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
He says. Anyway, this doesn't have to do with the
new movie, but instead some old ones. In a recent episode.
I was excited to hear Brian call it. Brian, you're
getting all kinds of people excited.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh thanks, guys, he says.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I was excited to hear Brian call out the Cone
Brothers film Intolerable Cruelty. Yeah, being a Cone Brothers fan,
note the plural brothers. The new stuff Ethan puts out
isn't nearly as good as the movies he makes when
he works with Joel. But anyway, I digress. I was
surprised by how dismissive people are by the lesser known
Cone films. Those are really good too, of course, but
I think the Cones have some hidden gems. Primarily. The
(38:20):
two that come to mind to me are Burn after
reading excellent movie and the Hudsucker Proxy, which I love.
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, I'll just say real quick. I recently rewatched Burn
after reading and I didn't love it the first time
I saw it, And oh interesting, I've heard some other
people say that too, and then I came back to
it recently and really enjoyed it, So I don't I
don't know. I felt like ready for it or what
it was or also what it isn't, which you know
(38:50):
if you don't seen the film you kind of know.
And and Hudsucker Proxy I remember seeing when I was
very young and loving it, yeah, because it was so
different and I loved.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
How great production design and everything.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I need to I haven't seen it as an adult.
I need to rewatch that.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And I get tanked, but it was a good movie.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, He says.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Both are really clever and while not nearly as dark
as the iconic Cone films are just playing funny, surprisingly clever,
and still have that staple off kilter quirkiness and sudden
act of violence conness. That about sums it up, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I love it?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So I could go on about why I think people
should give them a second rewatch. I most recently watched
Barton Fink bart I think, boy, was that a trip?
And I'm curious if you have any favorites of theirs. Also,
here'st hoping the brothers get back together for another one,
and he says, ps, I've never seen Death Becomes Her
(39:45):
And for Zaki's recommendation from previous episode, I've started watching
it for spooky season. Oh great, that's another good one.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, definitely, I want to revisit that. It's been a while. Yeah,
so yeah, so what oh I should say? I did
watch oh Man was the one that just came out
with Margaret Qualley Honey don't and uh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, I mean I forgot I watched it so until
until this email. It's I totally appreciate the world that
they tried to set up. Yeah, and it just I
don't know, I just didn't connect.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That's a shame.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, but yeah, what about you? What are some of
your favorite Coen Brothers movies.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Well, I mean, I'm gonna go with the generic answer,
which is Fargo. That's probably my favorite. Mean, it's yeah, undeniable,
but yeah, I would go Fargo, Lebowski, and No Country.
That's my top three.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
No Country, Man, it's been a while. I need to
watch that again.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh and I love True Grit. I love true Grit.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
True Grit is great. My whole family liked that.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, then that made me read the book afterwards, because
I learned it was based on a book and I
wanted to read something. I just loved the I don't
know how to you even explain it. I mean, it
does feel like a book that film, the characters and
all the things they experience right up to the ending.
And I remember then reading the book and really enjoying
(41:11):
that too.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Have you seen Inside Lewin Davis? Yes? I enjoyed that also, Yeah,
kind of, that's a hang movie. It's a hang movie.
It had look Man that has a song sung by
Isaac Oscar Isaac and Justin Timberlake and Adam Driver. First
time I saw Adam Driver actually was in that movie.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
By the way, probably same.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, and it's called Please Mister Kennedy. And it's like
a it's like a kitchy nineteen sixties song, and that
song gets stuck in your head. Yes, Like now that
I've said it, it's in my head now, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Be please mister Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Oh yeah, that movie, by the way. Fun fact, I
remember when it came out. I'm pretty sure I talked
about this on the show back in the day. But
there was supposed to be a a press event for
Inside Leewan Davis and it was going to be it
was going to be Oscar Isaac was going to be there,
(42:07):
and John Goodman and somebody else shoot anyway, and it
was going to be you know, we would have have
junk its junk. It was going to be like roundtable
interviews with each of them. I was like, oh, wow,
John Goodman, I'd love to talk to him. So I
sign up for it, and then and then I get
the call and they're like, well it's gonna we can't
do multiple roundtables, so it's going to be one round
(42:27):
table with all of them. Oh and and like the
third person can't come. I'm like, okay, no problem. And
then and then it's like, oh and John Goodman isn't
going to be able to be there, but it'll be
like a big round table with Oscar Isaac and I.
In twenty thirteen late twenty teen, it is like, Oscar Isaac,
who's that. Yeah, I'm like, man, do I feel like
(42:50):
driving all the way down to the city for like
ask one question to a guy I don't really know? Yeah,
and then I'm like, yeah, no, thanks. And then like
a week later, Oscar Isaac signs to start in the
new Star Wars movie.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, you guys could have been chums.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
We could we could have been chumming out. Yeah. So
so that's like my Mike Clear's memory of that movie.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, but I remember.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Oscar Isaac made a huge mark on me after having
seen the film.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, same.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It was terrific in it.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
So you know, it's funny. I I recently I talked
about this, but I rewatched or no, not rewatched for
the first time. I watched Blood Simple, their first film,
and I really enjoyed it as like a low budget
clever It almost feel like an indie noir, like an
indie film noir.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
But what I love about it is it's you know,
interesting characters and twists and turns, and you know you're
engaged the whole time leaning forward. But what I really
loved is there's this scene in a bar and the
camera is just slowly tracking down this bar, you know,
from one end to the other, to get to our
characters who are in conversation. But along the way there's
(44:03):
a passed out drunk guy sleeping on the bar. So
the camera gets to the guy and just slowly rises,
goes over him, goes back down, and continues tracking to
the end of the bar, and you're like, there they are.
That's the Coen Brothers, you know what I mean, Like
they were even in this relatively straightforward, serious crime movie.
They had to put like a little weird meta joke
(44:26):
in there that It's like, you know, the kookiness was
always there, and I loved it.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It was there early on any other any other Cohen
things that jump out at you.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
There's still a few I haven't seen. I haven't seen
Miller's Crossing, which I can hear everybody going, what right now?
And the one with Billy Bob Thornton, the man who
wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Is that right? Yes, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, So I still have a few to catch up on,
which feels good. It's nice to know that I have
some awaiting me.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, get get, get digging.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, and I want to revisit the Yeah No Country.
I haven't seen that at least ten years or more.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And uh yeah that sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And hudsucker, I'd like to see that again. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I think the last time I saw that was probably
in the in the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I want to say, yeah, same, it's it's it's been
a little while.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah. Yeah. So here's one comment that we got from
Luke's mail twenty four. This is on YouTube, and this
was with regards to if you remember in our in
our last regular show, we want a little tangent about
the Rambo prequel movie that they have coming out. Yeah,
that's right, he says, thanks for reading out my comment. Guys,
I love your take on the prequel Rambo movie. It
(45:45):
really does depend on the concept they have for it.
We can only hope it's more X Men first Class
than Young Hannibal.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, I think it's called Hannibal Rising.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I forgot all about that.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, it was pretty lousy, he says. Anyone remember that one?
And uh, yeah me now that you mention it, Yes,
but otherwise, Yeah, I'd love for you guys to discuss
the death of poster artist Drew Strewsen. Well, we're gonna
be talking about that in a second, he says. Sometimes
you grow up with someone's work and you don't even
(46:20):
know it. There was all the Star Wars, Indiana Jones,
Goonies work he did, which I always knew about, but
I never knew he actually did the cover for Alice
Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare. My dad used to play
that on audio cassette. That, kids, was how we listened
to music in the car back in the day, a
long time ago. And I never knew that was Drew's
work until Michael J. Fox pointed it out. Uh, Drew
(46:43):
Strewsen is indeed an icon and legend, and we will
talk about him on the other side of this extra. Well, Scoop,
I love that, so so drews drewsan Uh. I think
(47:07):
anybody who has loved movies in the last forty years
has encountered his work. Yes, whether they know it or not,
Whether they know it or not, that was that was
a sort of like I think people, I think I
think we take for granted that, oh, Drew Drewsan, How
do you not know the name Drew Jason, right? And
it it occurred to me I had that realization, Oh wait,
(47:28):
people probably don't know his name, and yet what what
a what a footprint he leaves behind?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, right?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
And and I think I think the measure of that
footprint is the is in the fact that nobody is
doing what he did anymore. Yeah, right, It's like he
did it too well, so nobody can even try.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Or if sometimes I'll see people do things like it now,
but you can't help but think, oh, you're doing Drew
Strusan right. You know, even if they're doing it very well.
It's just he really made his style, that's right, is
just so iconic, and you know, it's just anything that
(48:13):
comes close to resembling it, you can't help but think, oh,
but that's what Drew Strusan did, and he already nailed that,
you know, you say, you almost want people to try
something different.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
So he passed away this past week, October thirteenth, at
seventy eight years old. His wife had said earlier this
year that he had been suffering from Alzheimer's disease for
several years. Yeah, and so unfortunately that's just obviously sad
on a whole different level because you know, everything that
the family has to do and support of that. But
(48:45):
beyond that, I think it's impossible to list off of
memory all the movie posters, the most iconic movie posters
that he put out into the world.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, And I mean, and for people who don't know,
I mean, I think I think probably his most famous
one would be Back to the Future, Yes, you know,
with Marty stepping out of the Dolorean looking at his watch,
and then you know the Indiana Jones films. He didn't
do the first Raiders poster, but he did subsequent ones,
and then Temple of Doom and on and on and
Last Crusade, and.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
The iconic Last Crusade poster is a strewsan one.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yes, and the Goony's Hook Adventures and Babysitting. I mean,
it was all over the place and something that I
thought was really fascinating. Well, and to try to describe
his style, they're just very very realistic portraits. And I've
seen people say learning about Drew Streusan, Wait, those aren't
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pictures and that's how good they look. Yeah, right, And
and the best way I can describe how, you know,
how they've made me feel is, you know, I think
of the Back to the Future poster. I remember being
five years old seeing that movie in the theater. I
have an actual memory of standing in line to get
into the theater looking up and seeing that poster, and
(50:06):
it just captivated me to the point where after that,
I remember checking out the record the soundtrack from the
library so I could look at it, and I tried
drawing it. And my whole life I've had that poster,
like when I'm at work, I have it in my office.
In my office now where we're recording, I have a
picture of it, just because something about it captivates me
(50:28):
and invigorates me and invigorates my creativity and what I
think is so special about it. And I think this
is true about all of his work, and I'm even
looking at some of them now, Star Wars and stuff.
Specifically Back to the Future. It's a movie that I
think is beloved because it just magic courses through that movie, right,
you know, there's just a sparkle and a sheene and
(50:49):
a magic and a fun that courses through that film.
That's made it beloved for forty years now. And somehow
that image, that poster, it's hand drawn, it's a still image,
radiates that magic. Yeah, right, that magic courses through that
still image. And that's what Drew Streusen was able to do.
He was able to take that energy, you know, from
(51:11):
Indiana Jones or for Hook or I'm looking at Star
Wars right now and it feels like the posters are
radiating what you loved, the feelings you loved about that movie.
They radiate off of these posters. That was to me,
his magic trick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
He did the Star Wars Special edition posters, he did
the Star Wars prequel posters, and and all you know,
that batch of six to me like I can close
my eyes and I can see them, you know, saying
you talk about the Back to His Future poster, which
I agree is just you know, that's I suspect that's
(51:50):
the one that most people can can call to mind
if you list his things. But but I'm I'm sitting
here looking at the Indiana Jones and Last Crusade poster
that you got me a couple of years ago, signed
by Drew Strusan and that was an incredibly kind thing
that you did for me, by the way, and it
(52:12):
was already very special to me, but now as I
sit here looking at it, it's like, you know, this
is one of the most precious things I have, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And he he had set up a website, I think,
and he was showing his work at this gallery in
Texas at some point, and so it was I don't
previously remember being able to access him or his work
like you could, you know, several years ago. And so
as soon as I saw the opportunity to own something
that came from him, that was actually signed by him,
(52:41):
I mean to me, and I know to you as well,
and that's why I just I was like, we have
to have this. It was almost like, you know, you know,
like our famous painter from history. You know, somebody's spoken
to us since we were little kids, and the work
evokes something in us. It's like, how could we not
own something that came from the man?
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I agree. I have Back to the Future hanging in here,
signed by him, and it's just one of the most
special things I own.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
And and it is a reflection of how the art
of movie posters has shifted so much, right, I mean,
I'm I'm looking at a Variety article that has some
of his best posters, right, and you've got I'm looking
at the poster for Hook. Yeah. Well, you know, not
a great movie, but a beautiful work of art, right,
And I'm like, where are these posters? Why do we
have so many photo shop shit smears that are hanging
(53:32):
on theater walls.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know, that'd be funny if there was an artist
like Vladimir Schmitz shit smear and you were just like
denigrating him specifically, Vladimir shit speaking, all these shit smears
everywhere popular theaters, and Vladimir's listening like.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
This is this is a quote from Harrison Ford. He says,
here no artists captured and better than than Drusen. And
I think that his last Crusade poster is just to me,
that's the most iconic Indiana Jones image for me. You know, Yeah,
(54:16):
I don't know, it's just look, these are icons from
throughout our lives and this is just just the you know,
getting older. Unfortunately it's just part of it. But like
it's it's hard, it's hard to see these these markers,
these demarcation points with increasing frequency, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, And I think it feels so personal in a
way because for you and I and I know most
people listening right now, I mean, this stuff is a
big part of our lives. You know, we get affected
by films and television whatever, and you know, most people
(54:56):
enjoy it, but we get really affected by it in
unique ways. And he was able. You know, he touched us.
His work touched us in a special way our imaginations.
You know that that many people haven't, and so that
that immediately makes him a really special and important person
in our lives. And it's you know, I'm happy to
(55:19):
talk about him and celebrate him right now and praise
his work and the ways he's his work has made
me feel throughout my life. And I'm also sad to
mark his passing.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
And I should say, actually, when you talk about the
magic he imbued his art with, he did a poster
for Masters of the Universe, the motion picture that you know,
the Dolph li on Gren one, And if you look
at that poster, you'd be like, this is the most
incredible movie ever made. Right, I would say it is,
(55:49):
in fact, not the most incredible movie.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Somehow that poster feels more magical than the film itself.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, and the movie is what it.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Is, and the movie is it's fun.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
We'll be talking about it next year before the new
one comes out, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh yeah, all right, there's.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Our commentary in the barrel ready to go. But but
that poster, man, I would love to I would love
to hang that poster on my wall.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, but you know, that's that's that makes me think
of you know, the movies we're mentioning, like, you know,
Back to the Future, Star Wars. Those are magical feeling movies.
But I remember the poster for Adventures in Babysitting. Yeah, yeah,
and it's funny because I love that movie. That was
a seminal movie of my youth and it's but it's
(56:33):
not a fantastical film, you know. It's like kids in
the big city trying to find about Well, that's true,
that's very you know what I stick corrected. But his
poster for that again, it just you look at it
and it feels alive. And it's the kids, uh, you know,
climbing up one of the skyscrapers in Chicago and they
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just the way that they're captured, it just feels magical
and fun. And I mean It really does what I
think a movie poster is supposed to do, which is,
if you saw that in a video store, you would go, well,
that there's something captivating about this, there is something magical.
What is this movie? Right? He made that. It's just
so alluring what he captured in that image for this
(57:17):
movie that's otherwise relatively grounded, And I just think that
was his superpower.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. So Drew Streus, and he
will be missed. We will never see his like again. No,
another legend. Diane Keaton. Yeah, now this one. I have
to be honest, you know, Diane Keaton. I thought she
was immortal. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I was like, no, no, she'll outlive every one of us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
She's just always been there.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, you know, always been there, always been great. She
was seventy nine. I read this morning that she died
of pneumonia. But man, you talk talk about a body
at work. I just happened to be in the middle
of screening The Godfather with my students, so I was
like one third of the way through The Godfather and
(58:10):
then this news broke. Oh wow, okay, you know, and
in that film, she's obviously very very youthful, and you
know at the beginning, at the beginning of this extraordinary career.
You know, I don't think could she have even imagined
at that moment everything that was in her future?
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
What what do you think of as some of your
your most iconic Diane Keaton performances.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Well, certainly Godfather, But I think the first time I
ever saw her, just due to my age, was Father
of the Bride Father. But I was gonna say, right,
you know her and Steve Martin playing the parents.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
About about my age in that movie. I think she's
like forty six.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, yeah, isn't that wild? But it's funny because even
as a kid. That's another sort of weird thing about
how movies have changed over time, like this movie that
focuses on the parents not wanting to let go of
their daughter, you know, getting married. But even as like
a it came out in ninety one, so I was eleven.
(59:12):
I remember loving that movie, and I wasn't bored with
the parents on screen, you know, Like I obviously I
like Steve Martin, but she she wasn't like and the wife,
you know what I mean, Like she had her own personality,
in that movie they played off of one another, and
I remember her really well from that also, strangely, I
remember Baby Boom. Yeah, I remember that meaning something my
(59:34):
mom rented like for herself, and watching it with her
and kind of enjoying it. And then of course you
know First Wives Club. You know she's you know, I
got to be honest, I'm not a huge Woody Allen person.
And what I mean by that is I haven't really
even seen a lot of his movies. I saw some
of the ones when he had his little assance, you know,
with Midnight and Paris and all that sort of stuff,
(59:56):
But I've kind of not seen her in the those
older films, so I mostly know her.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
You know, now you haven't seen you haven't seen Annie Hall.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I have. I don't remember it very well, if I'm
being honest.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I enjoyed her in Annie Hall. I'm I'm with
you where I'm just the Woody Allen you know flavor
kind of kind of missed me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, but like you know, yeah, First Wives Club, like
I said, and you know, something's got to give and
all those those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah, what a what a what a run?
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, and and coming so shortly after Robert Radford's passing.
It really does feel like the Curtains coming down on
a specific era, doesn't it. Yeah, it's wild, you know.
You know al Pacino was talking about you know, because
he dated her for for a while, and you know,
you get the sense just in his statement sort of
(01:00:51):
him grappling with his own mortality and you know this
whole I mean, look, how many of the Godfather cast
are gone now, you know? Yeah, I mean it's a lot,
you know. Yeah, just in the time since I first
saw that movie, which is like one from then to now,
one by one, you know, Brando and you know, yeah,
(01:01:15):
so another legend and and hey here here's one. This one, this,
this one is is special to you and you and
I I think Brian Ron Dean yep, the character actor's
character actor Ron Dean.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Absolutely, I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
What are you know him from?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, I mean Number one, The Fugitive. Yeah, you know,
one of my favorite exchanges. He did it for the money.
He's a doctor, he's already rich.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
She has more rich. Yeah, she was more rich, so
so he he Yes, he was a detective Kelly in
The Fugitive. Yeah, but of course he was also in
the Dark Knight as detective works. He was kind of
rumpled trench coat detective guy. That was his particular niche.
(01:02:02):
And when I say character actor's character actor, that's what
I mean. You know, you have a guy like Ron Dean,
who had a very lengthy career spanning from nineteen seventy
six to the twenty tens, just dependably. He was a
Chicago based I believe, yeah, yeah, and so that allowed
him to he put in a lot of work and
(01:02:23):
stuff like Er and all them Chicago shows totally, and
he just embodied a type.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah. I mean, I'm just to rattle off some of
his stuff too. I mean it's like The Babe if
you remember that, the John Goodman, Yeah, nothing in common,
Tom Eggs, Jackie Gleason, Dark Knight, The Color of Money,
Risky Business, The Clients, Rudy and Reaction Chain, Reaction, Breakfast Club.
I think he played Emilio Stuvez his dad.
Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was Andy's dad, that's right. He
was fifty five in The Fugitive, Okay, And I said
said this to you, and I for sure, I'm like,
if you told me he was sixty five, seventy five
or eighty five in the movie, I would have believed
It's just one.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Of those phenomenons, right, we call it out a lot,
but it just Yeah, when you look back on these
movies from previous decades, just feels like people are aging
a little differently.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
At some point you just hit you go from young
to old, and then that's it. That's where you are,
right right right right there you stay. And I don't
know where I'm at on that, you know which side
of that when I'm on. I know I'm afraid to
ask my students, you know, yeah, yeah right. I mean
if I were to ask him how old you think
(01:03:37):
I am? You know, I I worry about the answers
I would get.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, no, same. I remember when I was in my
early forties, people still used to think I was like
mid thirties, maybe even like a little earlier. And then
I do feel like there was some sort of line
that I crossed, and I don't know when it happened,
but now I am firmly in my forties, you know
what I mean. I don't know there's some extra crows
for you or something.
Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
But well, Ron Dean, you know, he is the glue.
We love our character actors here and and he enriched
every film he was in just by being able to
perfectly embody a specific type. So so here's to you
at gone at age eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Wow, Wow, what a career raising a glass?
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hopefully hopefully as we raise the glass, Harvey
Dent doesn't walk in and shoot us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yes, that's right, Well that's the moment, right if people
aren't aren't sure when he is in the dark, knight.
Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Dent, I thought you were dead half ye see what
you realize is in the post MCU world that right there,
that's your post credit scene.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
No, it so is, isn't it right? If Harvey was
going to be the villain of the next film, Yeah right, yeah, Oh,
and you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Wouldn't even see him. You wouldn't even see him. It
would just you'd see the silhouette from the back, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you just hear half over black.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Or it's like you would see the silhouette that looks
kind of normal, and then it would turn. Yeah, you
still might not even get a good look at it,
but you'd see that like chunks of the face are missing,
and yeah, yeah, like a skull the bottom of the
jar or something.
Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Harvey Dent will return or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Hey, speaking of returning, how about this this. I gotta
be honest, this news kind of made me happy. Danny
Ocean might be coming back from the grave. Yes, why
from the grave, you ask, Oh, well, you have to
watch Oceans eight from twenty eighteen or whatever that movie
came out. No, we have Oceans fourteen in the hopper.
(01:05:41):
It seems, based on comments by George Clooney, that the
fourth Oceans movie starring him and his merry band of
heist officionados, is about to make a comeback.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Hey man, I'm here for it. I have all those movies.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I have to say, at some point, these these senior
citizens creeping and crawling around as their backs are cracking
might strain credulity.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
You know, it's funny. I saw the trailer for Now
You See Me three okay the other night, and I've
seen it before, but it occurred to me on this watch.
You know, you've got the four characters. That's already a
lot of characters, right, So you've got the four characters
from the original, but now there's like four kids being
paired up with them. So everywhere they go there's like
this group of eight people, you know, like pulling their
(01:06:31):
heightsts and doing whatever they're doing and so. But but
it feels like they needed to.
Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
There was some thinking like, oh, well maybe Woody harrisln
is too old to draw any younger crowds, so we've
got to give them like a young tier of magicians
as well. So it makes me wonder. It's like, okay,
you already got well, if it's Ocean's fourteen, then there's
going to be fourteen in the crew. But are they
going to feel like they got to bring in all
these kids as well? Is this going to be like
Oceans twenty really, you know, with all the people they
try to bring in to attract.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
As long as we get Rihanna's cousin with the magnets.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
The only thing I remember about Ocean's eight. They're like, ah,
we get it's magnetized. How are we gonna get through this?
And Rihanna's like, well, hey, I got a cousin who's
a whiz with magnets. I remember just laughing in the theater,
like Robert de Niro and Cape Fear like just castling.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So so Ocean's Eight. You may recall that movie came
out in twenty eighteen, and a big part of that
movie is that Danny Ocean is dead.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yes. Yes, Sandra Bullock's character plays is his sister and
she visits his grave in that movie.
Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, it's weird because the movie never addresses how he died. Yeah,
but the fact that he is dead is a crucial
plot point. Now here's my only point. Now, Okay, we're
doing Ocean's fourteen, so it's it's it's extraordinarily easy to
retcon his death and say he faked it or whatever. Right, However,
I would prefer that they go the harder route and
(01:08:01):
actually involved. The heightst of the movie is bringing Danny
Ocean back to life by summoning some kind of a
demon from the beyond.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
See you, and I'm glad we're on the same page.
Like I want Brad Pitt with all this cool jazzy
music to be like, no, we need is a once
in a generation lightning storm. And then he like takes
a bite of gelato, you know, like we're gonna reanimate
Danny Ocean.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That that's the movie. I want to see me too.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
We should have pitched this to Warner Brothers. I think
so yeah, actually now yeah, yeah good? Sorry, no, no
go ahead, no, no, no, I was I was also picturing,
like cause I remember, it's not like he was in
the ground. I think he was in some sort of
I don't know, a yeah, and like I want to see,
you know, Brad Pitt wrap on it with a certain
knock and then basically like a hand comes through and
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he's in a tuxedo and he's like ooh, like I
thought you were never gonna come and get me, did you?
And then they go pick up don Cheetah and wait,
and what are Sandra Bullock and Kate Blenchett and Rihanna
going to be in this? I mean, are they going
to emerge worlds here?
Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Well? I mean, when you think about it, Bernie Mack
has passed away since the last one, right, and Carl
Reiner has passed away since the last one. So there
are some gaps. Yep. Maybe we we have two competing teams.
We call it Oceans Apart.
Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Mind blown.
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Look at that that one's free Warner Brothers. That's good,
that's yeah, I'm trying to get some Well you texted.
Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Me about this. I can't remember if you pointed this
out or if this was a comment on the link,
but someone pointed out that Elliott Gould was sixty three
in the original Ocean's eleven and George Cliney will be
six is sixty four. Now, oh wow, And so Gould
is playing the elder Statesman in that movie.
Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And now he's the soul. Yeah, good lord.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
So I'm wondering, like, I mean, obviously, I think for
people our age or who are fans of this movie, yeah,
I know, I imagine we're in right, But I I
think I told you, this reminds me of when that
movie Space Cowboys came out, you know, where it's like
my mom was like, hey cool James Garner, Clint Eastwood
and you know, Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
And I was like, uh, yeah, I recognize those guys.
I mean, I'll go with you, mom, you know, or
or you know, I mean Death Wish five, right, you know.
I mean I remember when we were kids and it
was on the Simpsons Room Star Trek twelve, so very old,
and I mean that's kind of that's where we're at
right with this.
Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
And by the way, it's to what you were saying earlier.
I don't care. I love these guys still and I
do want to see another one of these. But I
don't know what your students if this your students see this.
Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Trailer, I have no expectations that they would know the
first thing about about Oceans anything.
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, And to me, I would probably think, oh, wow,
Brad Pitt and George Clooney are still handsome, you know,
but to them, because I still see them in my
mind the way they've always existed, right, just at a
few more gray hairs or something. But like for them,
it's like, oh, this is an old man movie.
Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Come on, go up this shaft here as their backs
are cracking and you know, they're trying to get more
fiber whatever. What are people whatever? Criminals of that vintage require.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, Brad Pitt with all the stuff he's eating, he's
like mixing in mita musil or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I'm actually like, I don't even know what kind of
an afterlife has Ocean's eleven had, Like has it lived on?
Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I don't I don't know. Actually I don't know how
to answer that.
Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Like the third one, so the last one that these
folks came out the year Humsos born. Okay, so it's
been a whole generation basically.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Wow, you know yeah, I mean they were huge when
they came out.
Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Uh huh yeah, yeah, certainly the first one. I mean
I was never a big fan of the second one.
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Same. I'd be curious to go through them again.
Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I remember three feeling more like a retread of one.
But that's not a bad time, you know, to be had.
But I don't remember it. I don't remember it as well,
but like one, I remember very well.
Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Yeah, very curious. I'm into it real quick. I wanted
to mention they just dropped a trailer for the new
Marvel Studios joint. Did you see this? No, uh, it's
not a movie, it's a series. It's called wonder Man.
Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I haven't even heard of this. What's this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Well this is so. It stars yea ya abdol Matine
okay as as so wonder Man for if you don't know,
he's he's a character in the comics who is a
superhero slash actor okay, and he's like a stuntman who
becomes a star so in in based on what we
see in this trailer, and so this is destined Daniel Cretin,
(01:13:04):
who's directing the New Superman sorry, the New Spider Man
movie right now. But he did Shang Chi, so he's
been he godfathered this, and so it's there was a
in the in the show. There was an old show
in the Marvel universe called wonder Man, which is being
rebooted as a big budget movie, and yah Yah Abdulmatine
(01:13:28):
is the guy auditioning to play that role. And he
is a superhero also, Okay, so they're doing there. So
it's Marvel commenting on superhero fatigue and endless reboots.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
That's not I like it because it's different.
Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Yeah. So so if you if you watch the trailer,
there's no superhero business in it at all. It's just
it's it's Yahya Abdomatine and Ben Kingsley back as Treva. Wow,
he's Treva. And then you've got the actor Zlatko Burick,
who was the president of Boravia in Superman. Oh yeah yeah, okay,
(01:14:08):
so he's the director of the film. And it looks
pretty pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Like I said, I'm into it. That sounds different. That
sounds different, and like, if.
Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
You want to do movie stuff. Sorry, if you want
to do TV stuff in the Marvel universe, this is
what you do.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yes, yes, not like a smaller scale version of the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Exactly, do something that you know you're not gonna like. Honestly,
that's why I liked Ironheart a couple months ago, because
it is doing something we wouldn't get in a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
And speaking of destined Daniel Crettin, you interviewed him many
years back.
Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Right, Yeah, him and a Brie Larson.
Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, with the short term twelve, short term twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yeah, I remember that day when I was interviewing them.
I'm gonna had gone in for her. We were expecting
our fourth one, and she had gone in for her checkup,
and it just worked out in such a way where
I wasn't able to go there because I had class
and this interview, which was already scheduled. So but I
mentioned I was like, you know, by the way, if
my phone rings in the middle, it'll be my wife, Like,
(01:15:10):
because she's got a checkup finding out, we're gonna find
out whether we're having a boy or girl. And Briet
Larson goes, let's call her, let's call her, right, now
I still remember that.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
It's pretty wild, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Oh, by the way, this is really funny. As I
was watching the trailer with my daughter, she's eight, and
she's like, she sees the guy the director, you know,
and she goes, is that Va Seale Gurkhos? Wow? So
you can tell how many times she's watched Superman. Not
(01:15:45):
isn't he in Superman? That would be like the normal?
Is that the Seal girl?
Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
She loves that movie. Yeah. Yeah, it took me a
while to get her on board the super Man Trained,
but I think she's she's here to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Okay, so you showed her the others, but this is
the one that clicked.
Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Yeah, Like, she she's quite she's got a refined palette,
I have to say, because she's like, she's like, I
like Christopher Reeve, I like Superman and Lois, I don't
like the Lewis and Clark guy hm hm. And and
that's her. That's her. And she says, oh, but the
but I like the new guy. But she says Christopher
Reeve is her favorite. Oh okay, yeah, and she knows
(01:16:28):
them my name and everything.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
So it's amazing. Well, I guess it didn't surprise me.
Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I know, that's great. I've dorked her up, unfortunately,
but yeah, so she's excited to see if us steal Girk.
Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
She's a fan of his work.
Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Hey, there's a new movie in theaters right now, Brian, Yeah,
might not be in theaters for much longer, So why
don't we talk about it on the other side of this?
And now we're pleased to bring you our feature. Hey,
we are back, and you know who else is back? Brian?
Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Who's that Zichy?
Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
It is Tron the franchise, but not.
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
The character I was gonna say, is he?
Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Tron Aries is in theaters right now, and it has
opened predictably badly.
Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
For Tron.
Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I remember when when the early tracking came on and
it said it was it was, it was, it was.
They were shooting for something like forty four million for
the opening weekend, and I said, well, that will be nice,
but I'll believe it when it happens because I felt
it in my gut. I was like, I don't think
there's an audience for this movie. And unfortunately I did
(01:17:45):
turn out to be right, because it came in quite
a bit under that initial tracking estimate. I believe it
opened to thirty three million.
Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yeah, mascue.
Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
They were hoping for ninety million worldwide. I think it
made sixty million worldwide. So Tron Aries may well be
the final lap of this light cycle.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
It's good. You're like right in headlines, I know, just
spitting them.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Directed by Yoakim Ronning, who did the Last Pirates movie,
also did Maleficent two.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah, he's a a Disney guy.
Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Yeah he well, he did the movie Kantiki, which is
very good. If you haven't seen it, he co directed that.
Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Now, you and I we just watched the original Tron
last week, Yes, two weeks ago. Did you end up
revisiting Tron legacy? I did? Oh, okay, so you were
you were like trond up.
Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I was ready to go. I wanted to be all
prepped and ready so I would understand where the story
was going.
Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
So by the time you went, you were like, it's
Tron in time. Yes, I was, Well, I'm just gonna
say it. Look, this this is a movie that the
reaction has certainly been polarized. Uh. I'm kind of like,
I don't know what people were expecting, because I I
enjoyed myself. I think it is a vision, really delightful.
It has an amazing soundtrack. I found the story was
(01:19:05):
serviceable enough to get me through and in and around
the visuals. But this is a franchise that's always been
driven by visuals, and I got many things in this
movie that I would want to see in a Tron movie,
and had never seen any Tron movie. So I left
the theater quite happy with what I got.
Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Qbrian, So I know, I'm glad. You know, I would say,
as a fan of this world in the past two movies,
especially actually revisiting Tron Legacy, I liked it more than
I remembered.
Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
That is a movie that holds up to repeat viewings.
I think it does, I think, and it feels, and
I think it's quite quite poignant, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Poignant, and it still feels. What I think is so
special about it is Tron in nineteen eighty two. Tron
still somehow feels singular. Yeah, like no other film feels
like that movie. And of course you know, you got
the unique visuals, but just the tone of it, and
I don't I mean, there's the nature of the way
(01:20:10):
that it was captured and all these you know, the
type of score that it has, all these components to
it that can make it feel that way. But it's
whatever it is. It feels unto itself. It's it's a
really amazing little film. And tron legacy comes out in
an era where now everyone can do, you know, amazing
(01:20:31):
visual effects stuff. So how do you make a movie
with the same tools that everyone else can use and
is using right now, but make it feel different, make
it feel tron specific. And I think they nail it.
I think the grid, I think all the characters, I
think the lore that comes out of it with these
sort of like magical beings that just sort of show up,
(01:20:51):
and how people feel about it within the grid like,
it just feels unto itself. It feels like another singularly
tron thing. I think with this one, I would say
I enjoyed it enough, but I couldn't help but feel
slightly underwhelmed by it, Yeah, because it didn't feel as
singularly tron as the first two did for me, right,
(01:21:17):
I would say like this one to me felt like
a competent sci fi movie with occasionally elevated visuals and
a powerful score an amazing score by nine nails. That
made it feel occasionally more than I think it actually is.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
No, I think it does, and I think that's a
fair response. I think for me, what what I appreciated
was the sense that this was clearly made by folks
who just dig this franchise, sure, and I appreciated that
this is so niche and they just really went for
(01:21:57):
it with trying to expand the boundaries of this world.
And I there were so many interesting ideas. I loved
how they depict hacking in.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
The me Too. That was pretty fun, which I mean,
if you want to say what it.
Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Is, yeah, you have essentially you've got you've got different
grids representing the different software companies, and so if you've
got somebody at this company hacking into this other company, well,
you know in in in the Tron Diverse, how is
that depicted? And it's like in this army of people
who are scaling a fortress and trying to get in.
(01:22:33):
I'm like, I love that, right, That's that's the that's
because that happens early on in the film. I'm like,
this is what I want from a Tron movie. I'm like,
give me a clever way of of anthropomorphizing these concepts
that we take for granted about computing in the real world.
Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
See and You're You're, You're, You're making me think, uh.
I think that might have been part of my issue
with it a little bit. Is I love that stuff,
and I think a lot of this movie takes place
in the real world. Yeah, and the characters aren't really
that interesting in the human characters. The human characters Greta Lee, who.
Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
I like, like I fact her in the movie. Though
I thought she was good, I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Feel a lot for her. I felt like she didn't
I don't know, like I didn't really get her or
like what she liked, what she didn't like, if she
was scared, if she was. She just kind of like
drifted along for me. That's the way it played for me.
And maybe it's because Evan Peters, playing Dillinger's grandson or
whatever was so big. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
So I.
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Even in tron Legacy, I mean, when they show the
human world, there's still this like unique thing and it
could be the Joseph Kaczinski of it all like that.
Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I think he's just a very good director.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, but it's still even the real world still feels
not like it could have been in any other film
than Tron the way that he captures it, the nature
of it or something, and it just that whole movie
feels of a piece. And I feel like in this
I found I liked everything that was in Everything that
had to do with tronness I really liked. But I
(01:24:11):
think there was so much of it in the real
world and other sort of things to it that it
ultimately overall felt more like a fine twenty twenty five
blockbuster in Tron clothing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
No, I I think that's that's to me apt. No,
I think I think that's apt. It's it's tricky, right
because it's like, how how much do you? How much
do we look at this film in terms of what
it isn't That was my thought, like because I know
and this is not you, this is me. I knew
(01:24:46):
going in, like how this was developed as much more
of a straightforward sequel to Legacy, and then at some
point the letto of it all came in and and
what started as a tertiary character became the main character,
which I read that yeah, yeah, and I that I
find that slightly irksome if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Yeah, you know, well, what did you think of if
I'm sorry, No, I don't want to no, no, we'll
get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Well, well I was gonna ask, I mean, what do
you think of that character? I mean, he basically plays
a computer program who you know, just follows orders, but
then he comes to understand humanity a little bit or
get a glimp, gets a glimpse of it, and is
intrigued by it and starts to grow as a character.
Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
I mean, did that What I said in my review
in the Chronicle is I was like, oh, this is
like Vim Vendor's Wings of Desire or if you've seen
the movie City of Angels with the Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Yeah wow, that's great. Yeah right, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
It's because he you know, he plays and for those
who haven't seen either Wings of Desire or City of Angels,
it's it's about an angel who who falls in love
with a human and wants to be human as a result,
which is essentially Leto's arc in this right, I'll be honest,
I liked the arc for his character. I thought that
(01:26:03):
was interesting. I kind of dug that he essentially he
hacks in and he just he falls in love with
everything he learns about her, and and there's this moment
where he he he's been you know. The whole movie
centers around this idea of essentially what we see in
(01:26:24):
the first movie, right where that Orange gets demateialized in
the story in the computer and then and then it
gets you know, output it back to the real world.
So this is that's what Now. Now we have companies
competing to do that. It's like three D printing life,
right right. And so you you have the Aris character
who exists in the real world for a certain amount
(01:26:47):
of time because the Dillinger Company hasn't quite figured it out,
and so he has to to get her the Eve character,
and then he as he's interacting with her, he kind
kina he evinces pain and she's like oh my gosh,
or like are you okay or something, and he he
keys in on the fact that she has an empathetic response,
(01:27:09):
and that is sort of what makes him say, oh,
this is what I want to be like like that
changes his old perspective. Yeah, and I like that. I
really liked that that idea of I mean, it's an
old story, right. The automaton that wants to be real.
I mean it's Pinochia, yeah, like Iron Giant or yeah right,
(01:27:30):
and and so in that sense, it's going through some
hoary tropes, but it's plugging them into a Tron the
Tron grid, if you will. And I like that. I
kind I like the Tron universe, and so I like
it being purposed in these new storytelling ways. And I
like that Tron. I mean I was joking about how
Tron is not in this nor is Alan, nor is
(01:27:50):
Bruce box Lightner not mentioned, neither Hide nor hair. That
does irk me. But Tron is also this universe, and
it's an interesting universe. And so when we have things
like light cycles racing through Los Angeles, that's visually exciting
to me.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
All that stuff I really loved. And then the what
do you call that? The you know, it looks like
the thing from space recognizer recognizer, and that was good.
I mean, that's in the trailer. But when that's going
through the city, that's that's when I started like sitting
up again in my life really interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
And then and then cycling back to Jared Leto, I
mean obviously there's there's you know, everything surrounding him. But
in my opinion, in this film, he is a net neutral.
I don't think he brings it down, he doesn't necessarily
raise it up, but he's I don't think he is
bad in this movie.
Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I agree with what you just said. I mean, yeah,
I I'm not the hugest fan of him, but yeah,
that's a good way of putting it. I I don't
think he did a bad job. I don't think he
elevated it either. But I did enjoy that character. I
enjoyed their turn coupled with him. You know, you have
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his sort of sidekick, I guess you could say a
Pena played by Jodie Turner Smith, and she, yeah, a
little more focused on the mission. And I did like
her then as he sort of becoming interested in humanity
and her sort of sticking to her mission and being
the one. You know, I enjoyed her becoming the antagonist.
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I thought that was those two energies were fun.
Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Athena was like I've been reading Reddit. You don't want
anything to do with you, yes, which I respect that.
Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah, but yeah, so I guess it's so funny because
this is one of those funny things where like I
don't disagree with what you're saying. And I almost wonder
if having watched those first two and then going into this,
it just wasn't the movie I was expecting. Yeah, and
I stand by it. I mean, those were my feelings,
just that it felt a little less stan than the
(01:29:51):
others as a Tron film, but but the Tron stuff
was still cool, and as a theater experienced, those visuals
and the The Nine Nails score are pretty awesome. And
there's part of me that almost wants to go watch
it again now that I'm a little calibrated.
Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
And hich metrical experience.
Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and like maybe it's not to say that I
would maybe even like it more, but I might enjoy
it in a different way, you know what I mean,
and just kind of sit back and take it for
what it is and enjoy the audio visual experience of
it or something.
Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
I think that. So, I think what helped me going
in is I knew there was no Bruce box Lighter
in it. I knew there was no Garrett Headland. I
knew that they were not substantively continuing where Tron Legacy
left off, and that helped because I was not expecting
a straight up sequel. Yeah, and so I think I think,
(01:30:52):
you know, you said calibration. I think I think I
was already sort of calibrated, Like, well, this is a
visit to the Tron Tron verse, I said in my review.
I was like, they should have called it from the
World of Tron.
Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, maybe not that that would have mattered.
Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Yeah, in terms of the box office, I think this
was doomed no matter what, barring something, based on the
ingredients they had, it was doomed. I don't know what
value added you could have put in to make it
do better. Yeah, agreed, Right, I mean, like, and this
is the thing. I'm like, Look, it's not like the
Tron franchise has ever been hugely successful. I do wonder
(01:31:29):
if they had proceeded with their original plan in twenty
twelve or twenty fifteen to make a sequel instead of
canceling it, would that have been a better idea? Yeah,
who don't say, I don't know. It's unknowable. I am.
Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
It could be the arenas on the internet that I'm
existing in. But I have seen a lot of negativity
around Jared Leto and people blaming it on Jared Leto, and.
Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
But I don't know how that it is an online
only That's.
Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
What I'm saying. I don't know how the general public
thinks about him, if they think about him at all.
Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I don't think they do. And this is not even
getting into all the weirdness surrounding him, like the stuff
he's been accused of of being a cult leader and stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Yeah, and sexual.
Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
In addition to that, right, so not minimizing any of that. Yeah,
that is. It is baffling to me that he continues
to get very high profile roles such as this.
Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Agreed. I don't know if I said allegedly when I'm
throwing it allegedly for our lawyers.
Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Yeah, but he's been developing this for years and years
and years almost.
Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
He's like a Tron fanboy.
Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean all that to say
he's been attached to this for a while.
Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Since at least twenty eighteen. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
And he's a producer on this.
Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah yeah, this is kind of his thing, and you
can see why. That's how they ended up making Areas
into the main character whatever. I think the movie exists
as a as a peon to that original movie, you know,
and we get that great recreation of the original grid,
(01:33:10):
which you know, look, maybe I'm the problem. We were
talking about toxic nostalgia. You know what. My short hair
stood up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Yeah, I mean maybe I don't know if we're gonna
get into spoilers, so we need to to be honest. Okay,
so we'll just say mild spoilers. Yeah, yes, they eventually
he is.
Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
For this was in the commercials, so I feel like, oh,
it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Oh I didn't I didn't know that. But yes, he
goes into the nineteen eighty two grid, and dude, I
lit up right. Yeah, I almost wish I you know
what I thought. I wish if I could like give
notes on this thing and it was still in development,
I would almost want like a Star Wars third act,
where you have like three battles happening at once that
you keep cutting between. And I wanted something more important
to happen in the old grid. So we're seeing I mean,
(01:33:54):
those are all things I want to see. I want
to see the recognizer going down.
Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
A street and people would the new one, the.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
New one in the real world, and then I also
want to cut to an important battle happening in the
nineteen eighty two graphics of the you know, like another
light cycle. I want to see a light cycle race again,
you know, like I wish there had been more to that,
but it not. A whole lot comes of that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yeah, I mean it's it's very much Member Berry's yeah. Yeah,
and then and we get you know obi Wan Lebowski.
Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Yes, it's very much that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yes, right, and you know what, Look, I'm just happy
to see Jeff Bridges as Kevin Flynn again. What can
I say?
Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
I'll take it. I'll take it. And you know, the
Permanence Code, I mean, all of it doesn't make any sense,
but like I dug that that stuff I was like
totally cool with. I like the sort of dark Man
element where it's like they can three D print something
but only last for twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
I was just saying, you know, I sorry, I mean
I like, I like what Flynn says. He's like they
should call it the impermanence code. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
We did invite a lot of questions. So I'm like,
is he like a human being? Now? Like is pooh?
You know, like what's he is?
Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
A person? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Yeah, so that's what that that he's like a superperson Okay,
so see, you know, all right, maybe I didn't get that,
but it is kind of well I get now we're
talking about the ending now, so okay, I'm I'm just
putting this out there. If you don't want to know
the ending, I'm gonna say it now in like three seconds.
But yeah, you basically end with him now as like
kind of a human. I didn't realize he was still
(01:35:23):
like superhuman, but like him at that cafe. Yeah, and
he's going to go on and kind of have these
adventures supposedly. Well well, okay, well hold on a second. No,
I'm I'm functioning, functioning under the assumption he's superhuman because
he in the third act he kicks ass like a superperson.
Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
When he comes back. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
I like, I'm losing all credibility here because I don't
even really remember, but I think he is probably. I mean,
you know, I also may just be conditioned from like
superhero movies and everything where everyone can do anything. Like
he's in a glowing suit. Of course he can do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Meanwhile, my my, you know, infant brain is all it
took for me is you know, he comes back and
his suit is all dark and then it lights up
and it's blue.
Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I was like, whoah blue, yeah, blue.
Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
And my arms were waving like I'm up it. That's
all it took for me. I'm an easy lay when
it comes to the Drawn franchise.
Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
I literally was telling someone, They're like, what do you
think Zachi thought about it? I literally said, I think
he's an easy like like he likes there's an expression
he loves. He's an easy lay. And I'm like, I
think he's an easy lay for Tron and that's what
I love that I love. But you know what, it's funny.
I really am thinking about this and I didn't dislike
(01:36:44):
this or I didn't have a bad time. I just
think I felt like underwhelmed by enough of it to go,
oh yeah, but I still thought parts of it were cool.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
I would say I felt I felt whelmed. I was
really whelmed by this movie. I think at this point
it's like, if we are ever going to get another
Tron at all, you and I will probably be getting
ready to retire, right. So I'm like, okay, well, you
know what, this is two more Trons than I would
(01:37:17):
have expected. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm I'm
happy to have these as as I, and I do
think like I, you know, I think these are films
that the story is secondary to the visual rasthmotas, and
I think I think each of these three does some
unique interesting things that make them stand apart. And of
(01:37:41):
the three, I would say probably the second is the best.
Directed to your point, but I think there are enough
interesting effect sequences in this one to make me say
this is doing some some fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
I like you said that because I think that's true.
I do think, okay, scripts or stories or characters or
whatever you want to call it are able to hide
behind more rasmatas in one and two, and I think
maybe there's less rasmatas in three, so it's a little
bit more exposed or something. But yeah, the rasmataz is fun,
(01:38:19):
and I would if you're a Tron person, I mean,
you gotta go watch this.
Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Well that's Tron I appreciated, except that there is, in
fact not more Tron. But yes, you're right, well, yes,
does a Tron shaped void in the whole thing, which
which is irksome to me. Yeah, I mean just to mention,
just a mention of Alan Bradley would have been enough
for me. Honestly, Well, you.
Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Know what that's kind of all right, where's spoilers? Whereolers?
But I mean there's no Garrett headline. He's kind of
name checked at the beginning, but then at the end
we do see Cora and well and and Sam and
Sam yes, and it almost seems like Jared Leto's aries
is going to go look for them. Yeah, and so yeah,
I mean, I doubt we'll get that movie, but I
(01:39:07):
thought that was kind of interesting because there are a
lot of revelations made in the second one about how
what's discovered in the grid could change the world.
Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Well, and then I guess in this one they introduced
a new thing that could change the world.
Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
And you know, yeah, well, so you've got this the
the device, you know, the digitizing device that's used in
the first film is kind of the mcguffin that's driving
you know, the both the companies in this, right. And
and if you actually stop and think about the real
life logistics of a device that can just print fruit,
(01:39:44):
your brain will will you know, create a singularity and
collapse in itself. Right, And it's inherently ridiculous, But I mean, again,
this is you and I talked about this when we
watched the first Tron, You're like, well, what's happening with
this orange. I'm like, don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
You know, I didn't in this one. I don't care.
I get it. It's a magic laser.
Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
It's a magic laser. I think that for me, I
kind of dug that, Like, the second Tron is roughly
thirty years after the first one, and we get we
get to catch up on, oh, this is what has
happened to Encom in the interim, and then now here's
fifteen years later, what has happened to Encom in the interim?
And I kind of like that they've they've got this.
(01:40:27):
You know, it's like a real world history sort of
playing out with these these these companies. The Dillinger thing
was interesting to me only in that the second movie
has Killian Murphy there as clearly a villain in waiting, yep,
and they do nothing with him, right, they don't. You know,
I would assume that Academy Award winner Killian Murphy doesn't
(01:40:49):
have time for for these these you know, primary colored shenanigans.
But first of all, I'm like, man, is this family
just evil? From from from tip to tail?
Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Right? Yeah, every generation has passed down yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Also, how much was Jillian Anderson wasted in this movie?
I know she's like, this is this is disgraceful. What's happening? Son?
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
She's yeah, yeah, she's like Margaret Thatcher, you know, yes, yeah,
and then oh goodness and she's stabbed and that's it mom.
Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Yeah that's basically yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah, that being said, I I enjoyed Evan Peters man.
He was he was he was playing your your twenty
twenty five model tech bro And I wrote this in
my review. I'm like, there's aren't There aren't many layers
other than boo and hiss. Yeah, but that feels entirely
if if you told me he's playing Shmilan Schmusk, I
(01:41:47):
would believe you.
Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah, but you know he doesn't. He's not wearing like
a hoodie, and he's not like he feels like his
own thing in a great way. He's got a good energy.
Maybe I was just yeah, I wouldn't minded that from
a character.
Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Here's another thing I liked. I like that they brought
back the thing from the first movie where remember when
when Flynn is talking to Clue and it's like he's coding,
but Clue hears it like a conversation. And they did
the same thing in this where where where Julian Dillinger
is talking to aries within the grid, you know. And
(01:42:20):
I also like again that you've got this is the
Ncom grid, this is the Dillinger grid, and there are
all these different grids. Yeah, of course I don't know
that stuff all. I'm tickled by that stuff. How they
find clever ways of of of literalizing you know, this
this technological the jargon stuff and making it making it
into a real world, a real battlescape.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
You know. No, I agree, I I you already brought
it up. But I like giggled with delight when he
was hacking into Encom and you just see this army
of guys like like right, you know, charging forward and
climbing over it. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Yeah, although it was weird that that Cameron Monahan is
like the like the wounded warrior on areas aside and
has to leave him behind, you know what I'm talking
about in the beginning. Oh yeah, Yeah, that was weird
to me because I'm like, he's a familiar enough actor
that you know, because he's you know, he's been in
(01:43:18):
Gotham and he was you know, he's a Jedi fallen
Order and he's oh, yeahs. So it was weird because
he he doesn't reappear in the movie. And I just
found that that that was interesting. That's you know, maybe
that was deliberate, like they want you to like, oh,
that's somebody you recognize.
Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Yeah, and ors cut.
Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
I don't know, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe it got trimmed down.
Yeah yeah, but yeah. I mean either way, this is
likely the last Tron of our lifetimes. So I'm just here.
I'm just enjoying whatever we get. That's me. I'm sipping.
I'm sipping that blue Tron water.
Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
You know, it's funny when you mentioned that earlier, I
was thinking it would be kind of funny if they
did come out with one later. And I was picturing
like DiCaprio and Ken wanton Abbe and uh Inception when
they're old in that room. That was picturing you and
I in a theater looking like that. Here we are
and you're like old men. Then I'm like filled with
regret and it's like Tron four, but it starts on
(01:44:20):
the screen.
Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
See, I was saying, like, yeah, you know, I'm just
I'm just dripping drinking my blue Tron water and then
like ram I will get exhausted and die. I'd say
I lived a good life. Yeah, so hey, tron aries,
I I liked it more than Brian.
Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Yeah, and I would still say, like like tron heads,
definitely check it out. For people who are like I'm
cool just going to something that's like a dazzling show,
check it out. Otherwise, you know, it's it's it's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
If if you have avoided a tron thing up until
this moment, this isn't gonna be your on ramp.
Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Yeah, exactly, you know, uh I think that you know,
I I sure would have liked you know, there's there's
a little business set up in the mid credits scene
that I would have liked to see them do something with.
Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Oh definitely, yeah, yeah, what kind of a bum spoilers,
but uh yeah, Dillinger becomes like Sark.
Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
He becomes Sark, he finds Sark's disc. I don't know
how that happened, and I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
That's what I want to see more of.
Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Yeah, he was he was the make it happen somehow,
he was the user now he's the program. That's that's
kind of fascinating. To be honest, this guy, you know,
and I actually that whole thing of like, oh everybody's
coming for Julian Dillinger. His only escape is to go
into the grid. I don't know, man, that's that's good stuff.
Like mmm uh yeah. So there we are tron aries,
(01:45:58):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
I'm so glad it exists though, that's okay, it was
so unlikely that this would happen.
Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
That's kind of where I'm at. I say this all
the time, that money ain't coming into or going out
of my pocket, right right, Well I have is my
experience with the film, and this particular one, I had
a grand old time.
Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yeah, and that's Tron got another swing.
Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Delights me absolutely. So join us again in twenty forty
five when we'll let you know what we think of
Tron Forever or whatever that next. But hey, let us
know your thoughts. You can email us at Movie Film
Podcast at gmail dot comic, and also hit like on
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(01:46:41):
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(01:48:12):
H Brian, what about you?
Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals
and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney Plus.
Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Well with that on behalf of my partner Brian Home.
My name is Zachie Hassan. This has been episode three
twenty eight of the Movie Film Podcast. We will be
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