November 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Andy Muir talks to Blair Drysdale, Joseph Mooney, Ben Dooley, Greg Erickson and Elliot Smith.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hocknui. My
name's Andy Miller here until two o'clock thanks to peterston Elix.
Welcome to the voi in which we see overcast skies,
a total contrast from what we've experienced over the past
couple of days. Saturday was seven or eight degrees. How's
that a boy Killey playing cracket in the rain as
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you do in Southland in November. It was nuts, But
nonetheless we got the game in some way, shape or form,
So full credit all around. There is fitz, he would say.
But then yesterday eighteen degrees and got some burnt, so
go figure right tunes today cheap trick.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
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and twenty one. Wednesday sunny, we're breezing all westerleies nine
and twenty two. Thursday partly cloudy. We're breezing all Westerly's
eleven and twenty four and Friday, that's mix it up
with some rain and lights. Our Westleys six and thirteen,
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so temperatures to had northern South and twelve point three
Reverton thirteen t ow twelve point six, till Rollers thirteen
point three went in twelve point one At Woodland's twelfth
Blair Blocker Drysdale starts us off from the Sartin Dan
farming ground up. He's coming in studio today Blockers, so
we'll see how things are on the ranch South and
MP Joseph Mooney's on the program, as is Ben Dooley.
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And today's spot thanks the South and Ural Support Trust
and association with the Community Trust South talking about farming
mindset when you're heading through November. Greg Erickson formerly a
boy Movie but these days residing in Millics in Canada
where he's working in the farming industries. We have a
catch up and then we're away to Cardiff Elliott Smith,
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the voice of Ray your newstalk Zibe and gold Sport.
Twenty four hours after the All Blacks loss, we break
down what actually went wrong for the ABS and I
don't think it's a quick fax, but anyway, we talked
to Elliot about the situation on hand. So without further ado,
we start the yell and next with Blair Block of Drysdale.
You're listening to the muster until two o'clock thanks to
Peter's genetics. Miss thanks for Sergeant Dan stock Food. We
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catch up with Blair, Drysdale and southern farm around up
of course, Sergeant Dan stock Food here pretty much the
skyline of the good CBD. We catch up with somebody
from around the region every Monday, and this afternoon's blear Drysdale.
Get a blocker. Firstly, the seats holding you're looking at it.
You're looking at it six and sevens there to be honest.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Good afternoon. It's been a while, wasn't. I've been in
here and this damn seat won't go down some sort
of legs of jam dundet. It's not the most comfortable situation,
but anyway, Yeah, good view out there to Sergeant Dan.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You're based at Balfa there, of course a mixed operation.
How have you been over the past few weeks? I
mean you guys experienced those winds like everybody else. What
was the luck at your place?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, a lot of no doubt, it was bloody windy,
Andy but we escaped a lot of damage. I only
spent sort of four or five hours cleaning up trees,
so you know they might have only been I don't know,
fifteen sort of trees down total. So now we weren't
too bad, I think you going. But further north of
us was a wee bit worse, and then definitely behind
the Hokanui's south of Targo, you know, through that area
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they got smashed. And now we were really lucky, got
off really lightly, surprisingly surprisingly, I did think her haye
barn roof was going to come off. I was watching
it lifting up and down, but it managed to stay there,
so we got off pretty lately.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Would you say it was a once in a lifetime
we have experienced as such?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
No, look, I remember back in it was mid eighties,
eighty five to eighty seven, somewhere in there. It was
probably worse. I actually said to a truck driver this morning,
were loading grain, and you know there was a solo
sitting behind side a hay barn. It went down between
the hay bar and the hen house. Roof come off
the hay barn, you know it was that was There's
a lot more carnage then than there was this time around.
So no, it's one of those things that just I
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guess it happens every now and then. It's just you
don't want them to happen to often, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Us a comparison to twenty seventeen, I.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Can't even remember what happened in twenty So we.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Had wicked winds up Kettle Flat there. We had to
move everything away from the wallshed because the messive macrocarp
was about to come crashing down. We had power lines
come down, power poles just fall down by a wall
shehed for the other wall shehed, and it was just
carnage all around.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, no carnage remember that one. But anyway, but look,
you just don't want to happen too often. My simplies
go up. Those guys they've got the hidings, you know
in South Totigo was there's definitely some carnage, and it's
it's a it's a time and energy and the cost
that goes with it, not only clean out the trees,
but the fencing, et cetera. So yeah, there's a long
road to head for some of those guys.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How's everything else going at the moment though, You're starting
to get that feed grown.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, it's been Look, it got going pretty good couple
three weeks ago, and if anything, it's so slowed down
a little. It's just you know, we're on the edge
of we're just drying out a little bit, so it's
probably slowed it up a weaver it again. But all
in all, Look, all the crops are looking really good.
They've established really well, and I've come through the spring
really well. The cold spring actually, while it was frustrating
being cold and windy, they've established and tillered really well
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and it set them up well. So I'm pretty happy
with all the crops. All the spring zoned ones are
in the ground now, so they're all up and looking
pretty good. Once again, a little bit later than I
have liked, but it was still frustratingly wet, winding everything
else and cold, so things like peas, I just decided
to leave them in the bag. All teams warmed up
and they put them on the ground and they got
up and got off their ars and gone into it
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a bit quicker. So there's a lot. I think we
learned a lot. Everyone should have learned a lot from
last spring about working with mother nature, not trying to
fight it, and we probably put a lot of seeds
in the ground too early.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Why has it become the norm all of a sudden
things go on the ground early.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
People think they're missing out on a blade of grass
if you I mean the grass is always the thing
going in earliest. It probably shouldn't. Same with winter crops.
You know, if you're putting in kale start in November,
you're really running the gauntlet with getting up and getting
a minus too frost, you know, two or three weeks later,
and then it veronilyzing going to seed. So yeah, you're
just sometimes it's best. It's patience, isn't the virtue I
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could have done of either sometimes, Andy, But you'll learn. So, Yeah,
it pays to be patient sometimes and the longer you wait,
the less weed pressure you generally have too. So there's
a lot of benefits to just being a little bit
patient waiting and working with the season with it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I would have thought the weed situation alone, as
far as spraying and everything, trying to eliminate as much
as you can right.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, you look in a grass seed situation, if you've
got you know, your ry grass, timothy red and white clover,
there's not a lot of options to clean your past
us up. So if it's you know, full of fat
en and willow weed, et cetera, you've got to wait
a while, but we can do much about it. So
and those things all come generally when it's early cold
and a bit wet.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So you're pretty much up with the plane now.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So weeks all due for will actually overdue for a
flag leaf sprayce that'll get done in the next couple
three days. For it's all done on all the crops,
including the spring, soone's it's all finished. So yeah, another
round of spraying, and then on the wheat, and then
year the peas and as andbraskas and oats and stuff.
They'll need a few more parts of the spray are
yet going, you know, leading up to Christmas. But now
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really happy with how everything's looking. And you know, we've
got through a frustrating spring pretty well.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So let's talk about the price of gray. We're hearing
about arable prices not being flesh. Give us a rundown
what's happening in that space in general?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a margins are just being trimmed up year on year. Really, Andy,
if we go back ten years ago when grain prices
were a round about that four sixty a ton. You know,
back then your ear was off memory round about that
high three hundreds a ton. You know, it's now high
eight hundred a ton. All our chemistry inputs have gone up,
All other fertilizers have gone up in price, if not doubled,
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and grain price at the moment for wheat I've seen
at the moments five forty five, five fifty. So when
your inputs are all doubling, it's just trimming your margin.
So that's the fight in the arable world at the moment,
especially with cereals, is that margin. And if you haven't
got livestock in your system with a diversity about your system,
if you're all horrible, it's a little bit of hard
game unless you've got a lot of scale. So here's
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some long term issues there. We're largely tied now to
know what products can be imported and landed in New
Zealand for and that includes saving wheat and barley from Australia,
you know, soy palm, kernel, DDGs, cornstars the whole lot
where we're all our prices very much relative to that now.
So yeah, some battles ahead, but I guess they're not
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insurmountable if your system's right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So more or less, it's not a case of the
price is moving being up and down. But it's all
about on farm inflation.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
A bit of both. Yeah, on farm inflation's a big
one of the struggle now is arrible. Well, once again,
if you haven't got scale, or I guess even with scale,
it's probably a bit tough as around machinery replacement. So
you know, once again we've seeing combine track to prices
in the last ten years double, but you know, a
grain prices relative haven't moved up a great deal, so
it's a bit of a battle, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So what would you say arable is on a scale
of one to ten at the moment?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Oh damn, that's a tricky one.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
All the hard questions here.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I would say around about a six or seven. That's
not too bad, So probably six.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Before you wrap up, Hey, I'm gonna give a shout
out bell for young farmers. Miss belf is coming up.
That's a fun time and you know where I'm going.
Here's been in your ear? No what, I've just got
a long memory, lady. Now are you actually part of
Miss Bell for one year. Are we going to see
a resurgence from you on the side this year? Just
a solidarity with the Young Farmers.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I was never part of Miss Bell for that. When
I did that was actually a theater restaurant with Steve
Wilkins and Girk. So there are photos floating around a
lady and you'll have seen them. But and yep, a
couple of young ladies and bellf Young Farmers Club. Troyd
very hard to make me do it again, but no
buger that I'm too old for that sort of stuff
now compromised compromised with sponsoring someone to do it for us.
(09:55):
That was a compromise. It is good fun, but I'm
a little bit and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's happening in a couple of weeks at the Baffle Haul.
I'm going to be a part of that evening. It's
going to be a good night. Blair Drysdale. We'll let
you go out of here and don't break the cheer
as you get out.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'll try not to endy.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Me.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Blaared dry Stale in the Southern Sergeant Dan Southern farm
around off. Of course he's the Sergeant Dan Stock foods
here in Gore, Southland MP Joseph Mooney, we have a
catch up next. This is the muster. This is the
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muster on Hakanui. MP for Southland, Joseph Mooney joins us
this afternoon as he travels around the region. Good afternoon, Joseph.
Where do we find you this afternoon?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Ah? Good afternoon, And you got me at a perfect
time issue. I've just pulled over again of a reception
at the piet where the pony and energy power stations
and the coverdo gorge. And that's bang on my electrial
boundary between Whiteechi and the Southland. So you got me
just spot well that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
White Techy boundaries a hell of a size electorate as well.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah it as it's south is a little bit bigger
than White Techi, but you know they're both massive. And
if you've put actually Y Techi South and West Coast
Tesman together, you'd be looking at sixty seven percent of
the South Islands geography.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, it's a hell of a stamp for it. Monday,
I'll give you that one, Joseph. The weekend's been gone though,
a lot of events occurring, and no doubt you're involved.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, Jeff, I just
look at my Saturday. For example, started the day by
starting the Queens A Marathon. Actually I did the start
hooter so that you know, countdown from ten.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So you didn't run it, you didn't start the race.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I did not. I did not run.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Clarification.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I just I just did the start of hood and
then watch get underway. But it's pretty cool because as
actually as a record number over thirteen thousand people in
the race and the head just under three thousand run
the actual marathon itself, and five thousand people coming from
overseas from eighty eight different countries, so a big event.
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Basically me Ben Bell, he the half marathon, and I
saw him later on the afternoon or evening'm I told
her that we went to the one hundred year you
know celebration for the Total Fire Station, which is a
really awesome night actually and Chief Fire Offs and Mow
and his crew put an amazing event just celebrating many
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years of their community you know hub supporting them, told
her and surrounds over over one hundred years. And also
they also celebrated's two hundred and six years of service
medals just from a few members that night alone as well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Now America at the USA, they've got rid of the
fifteen percent tariff on New Zealand beef. This is a
good news story over the weekend because a lot of
these terrors seem to be highly reactive by the person
implementing them.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh, look, it's great to have that terriff re moved,
and it's it's something I've been I've been trying to
do my bit to raise the profile a little while
because when I was in the US last year, I
visited Washington and I visit the Secretary of Agriculture and
we're just talking about how beef is a win win
for the New Zealand and the US. So our you know,
lean beef is mixed in to their fatty beef and
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it actually raises the value of their of their beef
in the US. So it's a win win for both us.
So it's great to have seen that teriff re move,
which is got to be another boost for our primary sector.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, Americans gobble down about three burgers a week on average.
Is something ridiculous like that? How many burgers a week
would you eat?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Joseph, Well, I don't need that many burgers. We feel
I'm more a pieman, but I meat pie as my
as my food of choice.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Your body is a temple obviously, Yeah, but look, we
the widest situation though. This is crazy so Asily they
do a lot of machinery sales regarding agriculture to the
US and they're facing some crazy terrorists, but none more
so than on a Italian pasta one hundred and seven
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percent tariff they're talking about, because this is saying that
Italy has been undercating local competitors. I mean, how do
you come up with one hundred and seven percent for
Pete's sake?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Oh, look at that's that's something I've no idea completely fair,
but you know it's obviously well, we control things we can.
You know, each country has the right to do eight
things in their own beas interests. But you know, we
obviously as a small trading nation, it's heavily dependent only exports,
you know, for the success of our own economy and
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everything that we need to fund. You know, we need
to focus on what's good for us, and that's having
a free and fear trading environment. Much that's possible having
got access to markets. So our primary seat has been
doing them as a job over the last couple of years,
and it's just we'll celebrate the ones where we can
take them. It's definitely when having that terror from open beef.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So how realistic that we see the same thing occurred
to Lamb.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I'd say much lower chances. I talked about that as
well with the Secretary of Culture was in the US
last year. And also have jets and people you know
in the sheep sector in Wyoming, Montana, and these are
these are very passionate group of people who know farm
sheep and are very protective of these sector. So I
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think their votes are quite important in the estates and
they wouldn't be very happy about seeing that removed, So
I think they'd be a lot harder.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, and you tend to forget when you live down here.
We're very insulated from the reed meat industry and America
as such and the sheer size around it.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, No, absolutely, it's it's a massive sector in the
US and it's a very valuable sector for US. I
think that's our single biggest market for beef. But you
know that is a benefit and that they need our beef. Well,
you know they could buy it elsewhere, but we're we're
a good supply for them and so long may that continue.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So what's on for the week? Your way back out
to Wellington this afternoon and presume in some stage.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah exactly, yep, flying up this afternoon and we're going
to have another flat out we can hear us, I believe,
and we'll see if see when we get back south
I'm hoping hoping it's before the weekend strikes. We'll see
how it goes. How are you doing ming busy ones?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Are you doing like a sweet steaks? And what to passy?
Malory is going to come up with next.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
But no, we're just they'll do anything. We'll focus on
trying to get the country in the right place and
do everything you can to support the economy and make
sure we can get that money going flowing into our house,
sectory and education, sectory, out roads, you know, law enforcement,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Keep the economy moving and play that you played there
with a straight back, just like Darren Mitchell US today.
Joseph Mooney MP for South Long. Look, we always appreciate
your time on the Master Save Travels of Savey.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Are you going there and appreciate it?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Joseph Mooney, Southland Ben Dooley farms at Windon. We catch
up next see how things are going on the ranch.
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This is the muster. Thanks for Southlanderal Support Trust in
conjunction with Community Trust South. We're catching up with a
farmer today. We're talking about farming mindset now. These winds
are a few weeks ago now, and yes it does
seem like a long time ago. It does move on,
as does the cycle on the farm. But Ben Dooley
today farming at Wyndham, sheep, beef and YouTube farmers, going
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to tell us all about what he's been doing lately
during a busy season and alls will tell us about
this has just been one of those weeks for him
about looking at the long term picture and what he
does to negate certain circumstances on the farm. Ben, good
afternoon and always good to chat.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Good day.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Here's a going Yeah, not too bad. Firstly, ground conditions
at Windham, Hell are you looking yep?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, we're good.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The sky is very threatening right now. But we'll currently
got a pair of hair going and one padic and
a planty going in another and another plan to hopefully
turning out this evening, if not tomorrow, and that will
be all of our one to crop in the ground,
and there's only about two hit dais of young grass
left to go too, So yeah, pre stoke we've managed
to get on top of that. It was an old saying,
you know, burning the candle at both ends that wasn't
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good enough, so we had to cut the candle in
half and get it burning in four ends. But we're
just about there and then we can stop and take
a breath.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So how long you got have you got that candle
burning for at the moment, as you put it, very very.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Short amount of time. What we're putting in a big,
big week to ten days, the track is probably gonna
have done one hundred and twenty years and ten days,
so that that stacks up. There's not just me and
my wife's doing a bit too, but you look, the
opportunity has been there to do it. We're gonna exploit it,
and then we're gonna take it easy for a while
after that and just be able to sit back, put
their feed up for a bit, maybe get the boat
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out and maybe and yeah, then we'll come back and
make a start on the next big marathon, which is
given through weaning and cheering.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So you're getting on top of the tractor work. You
had a short term goal in mind and you've pretty
much got there.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely, man, we're just just absolutely exploring those Those were
the windows when they turn up. So yeah, saves things
from dragging on and saves those jobs building up at
the at the Christmas end of things.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So how much have you had to pivot for want
of a better word or deviat I suppose it is
even better from what you had in store regarding the
farm because of the wind that we had three or
four weeks ago. Deals, what have you done differently?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We were quite lucky. We had quite a few branches
out of trees. There's a few shelt about trees that
we young ones are blown out. We were pretty you know,
not a lot of fence damage. We didn't have to
worry about rushing out to doing a whole lot of
fencing or anything like that. So it has an effect
a us majorly in that respect. I guess the only
thing was the clear lot coming off the roof of
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the yards, but it's all fixed up now. Because of that,
we sort of missed an opportunity to get the hog,
it's sure, but we'll get there when we do. But no,
we haven't had to change much, but there's pretingy people
out there that have. And the one thing that's quite
good to notice is that people do adapt to things,
and when you put in those situations, it's not nice,
but it's good to see people just working out what
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they've got to do and moving forward, as opposed to
just sitting there and dwelling a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now it's underesting. A social media post went last night
on a farming page regarding the story about telling people
to get off farm, and they're taking the different texts
and saying, stop telling farmers to get off farm. It's
not helping.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's two ways to look at this, and this is
the people that enjoy their job, wanting to carry on
doing what they're doing and farming their livelihood and have
a staycation. That's all well and good, but at the
same time it's about encouraging a work life balance. Would
be the other way to look at things. I'll suggest, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's a real catch twenty two, Like it's both both
conversations are potentially quite dangerous. If you're telling people that
you know you have to get off and you have
to do this, then people that really don't want to.
You know, some people are just really happy, and that's
the key word. They're happy of just spending all their
time on the farm. You know, I hate going to
town whatever at times on one of them, not all
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the time. And if you make those people leave the farm,
then then, you know, because you've been told to to
try and improve their mental health, then that can be
quite a dangerous message.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
But I think those.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Are the key there is those people are pretty happy,
and most of them will be smart enough to realize
that they don't need it. I guess the flip side
of it is if we start getting rid of that message.
You know, you know my saying by the damn boat,
just just buy the damn boat doesn't have to be
a boat. For me, it was a boat and go
and bloody use it, and that for me has just
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been just massive. I got myself in a bit of
a stake quite a few years ago, just various things happening,
and in the end my wife just said to me,
you need to go and see you mate, take the boat,
and we did, and all of a sudden the now
she regrets that because we do so much boating. But
for me, I'm quite happy being on farm until I'm not,
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and then I know I've just got to go do
something for a couple of days. So I kind of
I appreciate the message, but I guess you got two
messages there that are catering to two completely different types
of people, and I think we just have to be
very careful of how we push either one of them,
but particularly the one where you know, you're telling people
you don't have to get off farm because the people
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that need to are the ones that are probably at
higher risk.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So your wife Sarah actually encouraging you to get off
farm and go and do something different. How did you
take that for a start?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, well it was interesting because at the time, I mean,
I knew, I knew I wasn't well. I didn't know
I wasn't good. I just thought everything else wasn't good.
A whole lot of things that were outside of my
control going wrong at once, snowstorm leading higates, all sorts
of things happening. Yeah, and I just was getting really
frustrated with everything, and so I had I had no
clue what was going on. She did, thankfully, And yeah,
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it was Yeah, probably it wasn't touch and go or
anything like that. But I was getting pretty down about things,
and I was just lucky that she was there. But no,
it'd be nice if we could go away together over spring.
But as most people will know, spring is a challenging
time to leave the farm unattended. But yeah, she just
just pushed me out the door basically, so'd go up
see them. Went saw them for it for a night
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or two, a couple of drinks and yeah, but a
boating and yeah, come back feeling refreshed, recharge and ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Now your YouTube channel, Deep South Sheep and Beef. Do
you ever talk about this on there? About mental health?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I haven't, and it's possibly something. It's not something I've
ever thought of, but I possibly should. So maybe in
the next couple of weeks I might make a dedicated
video about it and see what I can do. It's
a real awkward thing to talk about, but it needs
to be talked about. So yeah, something I could possibly do.
There any it can be.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And that's the big thing. When you're talking to your
mates or your neighbors or someone like that, you're yearning
away and you're not sure how the situation's going with them,
It's just two words. It's like you. Okay, that's all
it is. It's a conversation starter. Go one of the
days where they're going to sit there and say, oh
I don't talk. I really like that. That's not the
way it is now.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Absolutely, there's still a fair degree that old Keiley humbility
out there.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That was in there, of course there is, but times
have moved on as well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, and that's that's not a bad thing. But that's
not a bad thing in managing expectations that there's a
point where you've got to draw the line there. And
I think, yeah, guys are a lot better at talking
about things than they used to be. And yeah, it's
just finding those people you can trust and yeah, having
those conversations. But yeah, we're still pretty good at down
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playing our emotions at times, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But we are getting better.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Ben Dooley, always appreciate your time on the muster. All
the best and the paddics getting all those crops and.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I no, thanks very much, Andy, Ben Dooley.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Thanks for South and Rural Support Trusts and an association
with Community Trusts South. Just talking about well being. We're
away to Canada next. We are catching up with Greg Erickson,
formerly of Woymomou but now farming or working on farms
near Mullets. And before the end of the hour, Elliott
Smith have a newstalk ZB once again overseas. We're going
to Cardiff.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
The Musters on the farm brought to you by Southland
District Council working together for a better Southland.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
We're away over to Canada this afternoon on the Muster.
Former Waymomie resident Greg Rickson now resides over there near
the town of Millet, where he's involved in the farming
industry's driving harvesters, trucks, you name it, that's what Gregg's
up to. Good afternoon, Greg, thanks for joining us once.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Again, many thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
How's everything over in Millet today?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Everything is pretty good. Here's nice not it's plus six.
It's been pretty sunny for the middle of November.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Quite nice.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So it's pretty mild for the time of year. Is
what you normally expect? Give us an idea what temperatures
should normally be.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Wow, it's a wide ranging window. It can be minus
twenty five for some year, or it can be plus
ten plus fifteen, so it's it's it's the flip of
the coin. You might get hot you might get cold.
It just you just never know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Is that in Celsius?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well so those getting cold dean.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Isn't it is that in the cool off? Yeah, his
stanical off. But it's not too bad yet. It's we
know the cold's coming, but it's you know, we take
take the good what we can.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Does it become mind over meadow when it gets set
and a fee or you just deal with it?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Nah? No, No, After a certain point, especially when it's
thirty below or forty below, and especially with some winds,
you you can't be outside the too long or frost
whit's kicking in and you're you're starting to physically hurt.
And then when you get inside a warm up, it's
still hurting and you could be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Now you've just come through the harvest season. You've recently
been on a family holiday to the States. As far
as the harvest though, how did it go?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Harvest was excellence. We had a pretty good amount of
rain up until July, a little bit in August, and
then it just was dry. So we had perfect harvesting
conditions for about three or four weeks longer than we needed.
So it was awesome and our yields were really good
because of the rain earlier on the season, and we're
probably ten to fifteen percent up on all of our crops.
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It's been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So it's a reasonably buoyant mood in the sector at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It is.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
It is. The prices are a bit of a drag,
but the excess yield is helping cover the losses.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now you're explaining the prices before, and obviously we working
kilos and tons over here, but you guys and Canada,
it's all about the imperial system of a goodness. Say
you're trying to figure out brushels and the likes.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, well, currently the price of week for a bushel
is about seven dollars and the Canadian nors, and if
you convert all that to tons, it's around three hundred
bucks the ton. It's not great, and it's complicated because
the the big the big guys who sell the grain overseas,
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they buy and sell them times. But the farmers they
see yields, they're in bushels, so there's constant conversion and frustrating.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So they're working in tons, the big players, as you
put them, because that's what the overseas markets dictate.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I guess so the only one as far as I know,
the only folks who use bushels are the farmers in
North America. But there's plenty of them, so that's what
we use. But yeah, the big guys use definitely use metric.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So you're talking bushels and when do you start working
in hanage and the likes I mean, you talk about
your trucks, some big rigs on the road over there.
I did say you're not dealing in bushels when it
comes to tear weight.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
No, no, no, that's all in kilograms and tons on trucks.
Hang on, that's all in kilograms and tons on trucks
in Canada. If you go to the States, you're down
to pounds. So it gets complicated again.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
This sounds bloody confusing. Good on you, America.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, it's it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then you work in kilometers in Canada, but you
go over the border, it's all in miles.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That's correct. Yes, And a lot of the vehicles have
both on the dash because you know you across the border,
or the maid half made in Canada and the other
half of the vehicles made in the stakes and they
bounce back and forth, so they've got to got to
accommodate both systems.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Now, take you to get used to that over time though.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It does, yeah, you do. It's not as simple as
it sounds, but it does take time and that you
can be figured out.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So what about this shoe's facing Canadian farming At the moment, Greg,
we're hearing about terrace the terriffts from America regarding New
Zealand beef have been dropped over the weekends. So it's
a very reactive, reactive move by the American government, which
seems to happen more often than not. But of course
you've got a new prime minister there, Mark Karney, who
just got the job a couple of months ago. How's
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he viewed by the farming community.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Well, he's seems to be viewed positively. He's certainly an
improvement on the previous Prome minise of Justin Trudeau in
terms of however infuse them, especially in the farming community
or even Alberta. However, everyone is sort of just waiting
to see if he'll or what he'll do that will
make him that much better. At the moment, he's well,
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he's playing you know, chess with Trump and he's I
don't know if he's losing or not, but playing and
it's just sort of back and forth, and then comes this.
I think it's come to a bit of a standstill
in the last two months, so I'm not sure where it's.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Going to go.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
But Cannie, I think is definitely better than the last night.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Is it a case would be key for what you
wish for though? Playing mind games with the Trumpster, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
You never know what's going to happen. As you've seen
with the beef thing, it's just he had to cave
for well, whatever the reason was, but he's caved. And
now how long is this positive gonna last?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know? But at least you've got a PM over there.
He seems to recognize farming unlike Trudeau.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah, he definitely recognizes farming. He definitely recognizes the amount
of money and the impact the industry can have, and he's,
you know, he's for it and he's not ignoring any
problems that we have. So no, I guess that's as
much as you can ask for.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Point now read made prices here in New Zealand. They're
on a hot industry highs at the moment. What are
we seeing over there? And for beef pipe prices in particular,
they sound rather hot.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Oh, they're definitely high. Still, they were coming down slightly
due to I'm not sure why, but they were coming
down about three four weeks ago they dropped. So if
I wanted to buy a heifer, eight months old heifer,
about two months ago it was thirty five hundred bucks,
and then three weeks ago it was only three thousand bucks.
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But I think it may have climbed up a little
bit if the tariffs on the beef have dropped, but
I'm not sure if that's shooting Kennedy yet. So they
haven't got back in the swing of things since the holiday.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
See this sounds like bigger fluctuations in the sheer market
and we're only talking live style.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, it was a very big drop, so that's why
I didn't buy before a holiday. So I'm not sure
what they're going at right now, but we'll just see
what happens come tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What about sheep prices land prices around where you are,
greg Or, there's not many of them about?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Oh, there are none about. Sorry, there are some about.
So if you go a couple of miles wester of me.
You can find a few sheep, but in terms of
a market, there isn't one. They are just if you
want to go buy one, you can go buy one,
but there's no markets per se.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, certainly interesting to see what the farming landscapes over
there compared to New Zealand. Greg, hey will leave it there.
Always appreciate your time on the muster and wrap up
and stay warm.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Thanks manby.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Greg Erickson, formerly Avoid Mom who now residing at Millet
in Canada. You're listening to the Muster before you wrap up.
Elliott Smith, the voice of rugby and News Talk ZIBY
and gold Sport looking at the Albacks twenty four hours
after their latest loss. Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui.
(34:05):
Elliott Smith is the voice of New Zealand RAGB. You
can hear his commentaries on this tour of Europe on
News Talk ZB as well as gold Sport. Elliott, good afternoon, Well,
good morning. The case may be were you are. It
is a case of twenty four hours on from the
Twickenham loss. What are your initial thoughts as you look
back on the game.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Well, Andy, I think you look at it and go
wire we surprised by the defeats. Probably not. The All
Blacks went into the game. I thought it was probably
close to a fifty to fifty game and they didn't
play well enough to win.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So it's hard.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
To be too anx riddled about you know that the
lost necessary. You can be ansor riddled about the performance,
but the All Blacks didn't deserve to win and we're
outplayed by a very good English team And that was
what it was painted as before the game. It was
a pervoctial game for both teams. For England, it was
a sense of are we on the right track? Have
we got where we want to beat? With his team
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and this crop of players, well, they provided the answer
yes to that question, whereas the All Blacks was we're
asking a similar question where they're back on track after
they lost to South Africa. Had they turned a corner,
you know, Graham Slam would have gone into the summer
with a very very nice feeling about this team, indeed
two years out from a World Cup, but not to
be and then England a well deserving of that victory.
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And you know, to them go the Spoils and you go,
they're a team that's on the rise and for the
All Blacks, well, we don't know where they are at
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was it the manner of the loss to saying the
most disturbing thing about the game?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
From twelve to mizerl Up.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
The lack of game management I thought was poor from
the All Blacks. They did some really silly things at times.
Some Cardinals sins. You're missing touch twice from penalties in
the first spell. Now you know you may not have
scored from them necessarily, but you don't have the opportunity.
You can't find out. So they're at twelve nil, twelve five,
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whatever it might have been when those opportunities presented themselves
with the penalties. They didn't drive home that advantage and
make it, you know, a ten point game again, or
a fifteen point game, whatever it might have been. Keep
that scoreboard pressure checking over and it's a very different
game if you're England and chasing the game from that
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sort of deficit versus what was a seven point deficit
that they wiped up to one with a couple of
handy drop goals from George Forden, And to me, that
was game management at its finals. They were playing from
behind at that stage, but they just went down the field,
worked it into position, banged over a couple of drop
goals that's not in the New Zealand DNA, so they
missed some opportunities and I think that's the game management
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is the most frustrating thing is that previous All Blacks
teams at twelve mil up would have just known the
way it's not back to the try line, back to
the posts and just build that lead and make England
chase the game and with that force of them into
a few more eras as well. So the lack of
game management and probably the lack of game plan would
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be the one for me. I didn't see enough of
the game plan after the first twenty minutes anyway, with
the All Blacks when they scored a couple of nice
well taken tries through Lestifying Nuku and Cody Taylor, we
didn't see enough threats on attack. I didn't think throughout
the last hour of the game. So yep, you take
a step back and go game plan. Game management needs
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a lot of work to convince that the All Blacks
are on the right track.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It looks as though Scott Barrett has been burdened by
having the captaincy on his shoulders.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, I think it's a fair thing to say. Look,
it doesn't sit easy with everyone leadership, and when you're
in a losing side, it's obviously going to only increase
the scrutiny. And you know, look, he is probably still
learning the ways of dealing with international referees and the
different personalities that come through from referees where English isn't
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there his language, and dealing with them in a manner.
But you know, I think I don't know that leadership
is the sole focus in this team, but I think
you know, you look around the team and the senior players,
and I don't think they stood up yesterday. Cody Taylor,
you know, was yellow carded for a questionable yellow card,
but a yellow card nonetheless. You know, he's played more
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than one hundred tests, Boden Barrett didn't find touch mad
a few other eras and obviously had that quad injury
as well. He's played nearly one hundred and fifty tests
for the All Blacks. So there are senior players in
that team that they didn't step up in that game.
So I think leadership is certainly one, but I think
there's a number of players that can be a bit
better in that regard to.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I suppose a positive from yesterday's loss was Josh Lord
coming into the last moment and helping give us a
dominant lineout.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Absolutely, And I think that's an interesting point because you
look at those Locks now and remembering that two po
Vai is back home in New Zealand, so to Patrick.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
We a lot too.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Fabian Holland didn't play yesterday with illness. Josh Lord has
been the big move on this tour by some distance,
and then you've got Scott Barrett in the mix, and
when you look at the second row, that's a lot
of depth that the All Blacks are developing there, and
I think there is some promising signs there. He went
to Twickenham and was feasting on that opposition Borland. You
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know a lot of people and including myself, a questioning,
you know, when are we going to see Josh Lord,
you know, play some rugby and give us a sense
of what two consecutive All Blacks regimes have seen from
theim Well, we've seen over the last couple of weeks
him really grow at test level. So I think with
Locks there's a lot of depths there as you look
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towards the twenty twenty seven World Cup. They're probably missing
a piece or two in the loose forwards, but you've
got Wallace to teet there as well. Peter Lackeye ad save.
You probably just need a couple more pieces in the
right places there. Front rows looking pretty good by and large,
so I think there are issues in the back line,
but you're starting to build some depth here in this team.
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It's just, you know, winning those big moments and big
test matches and playing the right way that is the
issue for this team.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just finally Wales the last game for the season this
week here, hint. Can we expect wholesale changes like to
Ruben Love for example, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Think we can. Just been chatting with Scott Robertson earlier
in the evening here, and while he didn't give away
that the wholesale changes, I think the sensors that players
that haven't had a lot of game time on this
tour will get opportunities this week and play. As you
mentioned there, Rubin Love, I should get an opportunity this week.
Rico Yowani, you would suspect to be there as well.
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Haven't seen him for the three weeks of this tour,
players like George Bow Cortesratam are likely to come in,
so it could be a very very different looking All
Black team. They'll want to finish this year on a high.
Wales in a bit of a funk or a severe
funk at the moment, but they did beat Japan yesterday,
so look, I think you can expect a number of
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changes to the All Black side for this week and
fair to say they are hurting after yesterday. Is obviously
the country back home, so they need to put in
a performance that warrants that herd and sends the All
Blacks into summer on a positive note rather than the
negative one that we've just been talking about.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Ellieah Smith, we can hear your commentaries on newstalg Zibbian
goal sport against Wales this weekend. We always appreciate your time, am.
I just say, this connection is ridiculously clear when I
can't even talk five meters away in New Zealand and
have a clear line like this, So you enjoy this
communications over there?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Well, yes, tribute to the Wales telecommunications business. I think
that's a connection we're on, so ye're good on them. Appreciated,
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one o'clock
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hocknui. My
name's Andy Miller here until two o'clock thanks to peterston Elix.
Welcome to the voi in which we see overcast skies,
a total contrast from what we've experienced over the past
couple of days. Saturday was seven or eight degrees. How's
that a boy Killey playing cracket in the rain as
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you do in Southland in November. It was nuts, But
nonetheless we got the game in some way, shape or form,
So full credit all around. There is fitz, he would say.
But then yesterday eighteen degrees and got some burnt, so
go figure right tunes today cheap trick.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
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The proof is in the progeny teff Rom dot co
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and twenty one. Wednesday sunny, we're breezing all westerleies nine
and twenty two. Thursday partly cloudy. We're breezing all Westerly's
eleven and twenty four and Friday, that's mix it up
with some rain and lights. Our Westleys six and thirteen,
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so temperatures to had northern South and twelve point three
Reverton thirteen t ow twelve point six, till Rollers thirteen
point three went in twelve point one At Woodland's twelfth
Blair Blocker Drysdale starts us off from the Sartin Dan
farming ground up. He's coming in studio today Blockers, so
we'll see how things are on the ranch South and
MP Joseph Mooney's on the program, as is Ben Dooley.
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And today's spot thanks the South and Ural Support Trust
and association with the Community Trust South talking about farming
mindset when you're heading through November. Greg Erickson formerly a
boy Movie but these days residing in Millics in Canada
where he's working in the farming industries. We have a
catch up and then we're away to Cardiff Elliott Smith,
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the voice of Ray your newstalk Zibe and gold Sport.
Twenty four hours after the All Blacks loss, we break
down what actually went wrong for the ABS and I
don't think it's a quick fax, but anyway, we talked
to Elliot about the situation on hand. So without further ado,
we start the yell and next with Blair Block of Drysdale.
You're listening to the muster until two o'clock thanks to
Peter's genetics. Miss thanks for Sergeant Dan stock Food. We
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catch up with Blair, Drysdale and southern farm around up
of course, Sergeant Dan stock Food here pretty much the
skyline of the good CBD. We catch up with somebody
from around the region every Monday, and this afternoon's blear Drysdale.
Get a blocker. Firstly, the seats holding you're looking at it.
You're looking at it six and sevens there to be honest.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Good afternoon. It's been a while, wasn't. I've been in
here and this damn seat won't go down some sort
of legs of jam dundet. It's not the most comfortable situation,
but anyway, Yeah, good view out there to Sergeant Dan.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You're based at Balfa there, of course a mixed operation.
How have you been over the past few weeks? I
mean you guys experienced those winds like everybody else. What
was the luck at your place?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, a lot of no doubt, it was bloody windy,
Andy but we escaped a lot of damage. I only
spent sort of four or five hours cleaning up trees,
so you know they might have only been I don't know,
fifteen sort of trees down total. So now we weren't
too bad, I think you going. But further north of
us was a wee bit worse, and then definitely behind
the Hokanui's south of Targo, you know, through that area
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they got smashed. And now we were really lucky, got
off really lightly, surprisingly surprisingly, I did think her haye
barn roof was going to come off. I was watching
it lifting up and down, but it managed to stay there,
so we got off pretty lately.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Would you say it was a once in a lifetime
we have experienced as such?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
No, look, I remember back in it was mid eighties,
eighty five to eighty seven, somewhere in there. It was
probably worse. I actually said to a truck driver this morning,
were loading grain, and you know there was a solo
sitting behind side a hay barn. It went down between
the hay bar and the hen house. Roof come off
the hay barn, you know it was that was There's
a lot more carnage then than there was this time around.
So no, it's one of those things that just I
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guess it happens every now and then. It's just you
don't want them to happen to often, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Us a comparison to twenty seventeen, I.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Can't even remember what happened in twenty So we.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Had wicked winds up Kettle Flat there. We had to
move everything away from the wallshed because the messive macrocarp
was about to come crashing down. We had power lines
come down, power poles just fall down by a wall
shehed for the other wall shehed, and it was just
carnage all around.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, no carnage remember that one. But anyway, but look,
you just don't want to happen too often. My simplies
go up. Those guys they've got the hidings, you know
in South Totigo was there's definitely some carnage, and it's
it's a it's a time and energy and the cost
that goes with it, not only clean out the trees,
but the fencing, et cetera. So yeah, there's a long
road to head for some of those guys.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How's everything else going at the moment though, You're starting
to get that feed grown.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, it's been Look, it got going pretty good couple
three weeks ago, and if anything, it's so slowed down
a little. It's just you know, we're on the edge
of we're just drying out a little bit, so it's
probably slowed it up a weaver it again. But all
in all, Look, all the crops are looking really good.
They've established really well, and I've come through the spring
really well. The cold spring actually, while it was frustrating
being cold and windy, they've established and tillered really well
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and it set them up well. So I'm pretty happy
with all the crops. All the spring zoned ones are
in the ground now, so they're all up and looking
pretty good. Once again, a little bit later than I
have liked, but it was still frustratingly wet, winding everything
else and cold, so things like peas, I just decided
to leave them in the bag. All teams warmed up
and they put them on the ground and they got
up and got off their ars and gone into it
(05:39):
a bit quicker. So there's a lot. I think we
learned a lot. Everyone should have learned a lot from
last spring about working with mother nature, not trying to
fight it, and we probably put a lot of seeds
in the ground too early.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Why has it become the norm all of a sudden
things go on the ground early.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
People think they're missing out on a blade of grass
if you I mean the grass is always the thing
going in earliest. It probably shouldn't. Same with winter crops.
You know, if you're putting in kale start in November,
you're really running the gauntlet with getting up and getting
a minus too frost, you know, two or three weeks later,
and then it veronilyzing going to seed. So yeah, you're
just sometimes it's best. It's patience, isn't the virtue I
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could have done of either sometimes, Andy, But you'll learn. So, Yeah,
it pays to be patient sometimes and the longer you wait,
the less weed pressure you generally have too. So there's
a lot of benefits to just being a little bit
patient waiting and working with the season with it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I would have thought the weed situation alone, as
far as spraying and everything, trying to eliminate as much
as you can right.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, you look in a grass seed situation, if you've
got you know, your ry grass, timothy red and white clover,
there's not a lot of options to clean your past
us up. So if it's you know, full of fat
en and willow weed, et cetera, you've got to wait
a while, but we can do much about it. So
and those things all come generally when it's early cold
and a bit wet.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So you're pretty much up with the plane now.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So weeks all due for will actually overdue for a
flag leaf sprayce that'll get done in the next couple
three days. For it's all done on all the crops,
including the spring, soone's it's all finished. So yeah, another
round of spraying, and then on the wheat, and then
year the peas and as andbraskas and oats and stuff.
They'll need a few more parts of the spray are
yet going, you know, leading up to Christmas. But now
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really happy with how everything's looking. And you know, we've
got through a frustrating spring pretty well.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So let's talk about the price of gray. We're hearing
about arable prices not being flesh. Give us a rundown
what's happening in that space in general?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a margins are just being trimmed up year on year. Really, Andy,
if we go back ten years ago when grain prices
were a round about that four sixty a ton. You know,
back then your ear was off memory round about that
high three hundreds a ton. You know, it's now high
eight hundred a ton. All our chemistry inputs have gone up,
All other fertilizers have gone up in price, if not doubled,
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and grain price at the moment for wheat I've seen
at the moments five forty five, five fifty. So when
your inputs are all doubling, it's just trimming your margin.
So that's the fight in the arable world at the moment,
especially with cereals, is that margin. And if you haven't
got livestock in your system with a diversity about your system,
if you're all horrible, it's a little bit of hard
game unless you've got a lot of scale. So here's
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some long term issues there. We're largely tied now to
know what products can be imported and landed in New
Zealand for and that includes saving wheat and barley from Australia,
you know, soy palm, kernel, DDGs, cornstars the whole lot
where we're all our prices very much relative to that now.
So yeah, some battles ahead, but I guess they're not
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insurmountable if your system's right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So more or less, it's not a case of the
price is moving being up and down. But it's all
about on farm inflation.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
A bit of both. Yeah, on farm inflation's a big
one of the struggle now is arrible. Well, once again,
if you haven't got scale, or I guess even with scale,
it's probably a bit tough as around machinery replacement. So
you know, once again we've seeing combine track to prices
in the last ten years double, but you know, a
grain prices relative haven't moved up a great deal, so
it's a bit of a battle, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So what would you say arable is on a scale
of one to ten at the moment?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Oh damn, that's a tricky one.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
All the hard questions here.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I would say around about a six or seven. That's
not too bad, So probably six.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Before you wrap up, Hey, I'm gonna give a shout
out bell for young farmers. Miss belf is coming up.
That's a fun time and you know where I'm going.
Here's been in your ear? No what, I've just got
a long memory, lady. Now are you actually part of
Miss Bell for one year. Are we going to see
a resurgence from you on the side this year? Just
a solidarity with the Young Farmers.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I was never part of Miss Bell for that. When
I did that was actually a theater restaurant with Steve
Wilkins and Girk. So there are photos floating around a
lady and you'll have seen them. But and yep, a
couple of young ladies and bellf Young Farmers Club. Troyd
very hard to make me do it again, but no
buger that I'm too old for that sort of stuff
now compromised compromised with sponsoring someone to do it for us.
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That was a compromise. It is good fun, but I'm
a little bit and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's happening in a couple of weeks at the Baffle Haul.
I'm going to be a part of that evening. It's
going to be a good night. Blair Drysdale. We'll let
you go out of here and don't break the cheer
as you get out.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'll try not to endy.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Me.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Blaared dry Stale in the Southern Sergeant Dan Southern farm
around off. Of course he's the Sergeant Dan Stock foods
here in Gore, Southland MP Joseph Mooney, we have a
catch up next. This is the muster. This is the
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muster on Hakanui. MP for Southland, Joseph Mooney joins us
this afternoon as he travels around the region. Good afternoon, Joseph.
Where do we find you this afternoon?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Ah? Good afternoon, And you got me at a perfect
time issue. I've just pulled over again of a reception
at the piet where the pony and energy power stations
and the coverdo gorge. And that's bang on my electrial
boundary between Whiteechi and the Southland. So you got me
just spot well that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
White Techy boundaries a hell of a size electorate as well.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah it as it's south is a little bit bigger
than White Techi, but you know they're both massive. And
if you've put actually Y Techi South and West Coast
Tesman together, you'd be looking at sixty seven percent of
the South Islands geography.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, it's a hell of a stamp for it. Monday,
I'll give you that one, Joseph. The weekend's been gone though,
a lot of events occurring, and no doubt you're involved.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, Jeff, I just
look at my Saturday. For example, started the day by
starting the Queens A Marathon. Actually I did the start
hooter so that you know, countdown from ten.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So you didn't run it, you didn't start the race.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I did not. I did not run.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Clarification.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I just I just did the start of hood and
then watch get underway. But it's pretty cool because as
actually as a record number over thirteen thousand people in
the race and the head just under three thousand run
the actual marathon itself, and five thousand people coming from
overseas from eighty eight different countries, so a big event.
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Basically me Ben Bell, he the half marathon, and I
saw him later on the afternoon or evening'm I told
her that we went to the one hundred year you
know celebration for the Total Fire Station, which is a
really awesome night actually and Chief Fire Offs and Mow
and his crew put an amazing event just celebrating many
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years of their community you know hub supporting them, told
her and surrounds over over one hundred years. And also
they also celebrated's two hundred and six years of service
medals just from a few members that night alone as well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Now America at the USA, they've got rid of the
fifteen percent tariff on New Zealand beef. This is a
good news story over the weekend because a lot of
these terrors seem to be highly reactive by the person
implementing them.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh, look, it's great to have that terriff re moved,
and it's it's something I've been I've been trying to
do my bit to raise the profile a little while
because when I was in the US last year, I
visited Washington and I visit the Secretary of Agriculture and
we're just talking about how beef is a win win
for the New Zealand and the US. So our you know,
lean beef is mixed in to their fatty beef and
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it actually raises the value of their of their beef
in the US. So it's a win win for both us.
So it's great to have seen that teriff re move,
which is got to be another boost for our primary sector.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, Americans gobble down about three burgers a week on average.
Is something ridiculous like that? How many burgers a week
would you eat?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Joseph, Well, I don't need that many burgers. We feel
I'm more a pieman, but I meat pie as my
as my food of choice.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Your body is a temple obviously, Yeah, but look, we
the widest situation though. This is crazy so Asily they
do a lot of machinery sales regarding agriculture to the
US and they're facing some crazy terrorists, but none more
so than on a Italian pasta one hundred and seven
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percent tariff they're talking about, because this is saying that
Italy has been undercating local competitors. I mean, how do
you come up with one hundred and seven percent for
Pete's sake?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Oh, look at that's that's something I've no idea completely fair,
but you know it's obviously well, we control things we can.
You know, each country has the right to do eight
things in their own beas interests. But you know, we
obviously as a small trading nation, it's heavily dependent only exports,
you know, for the success of our own economy and
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everything that we need to fund. You know, we need
to focus on what's good for us, and that's having
a free and fear trading environment. Much that's possible having
got access to markets. So our primary seat has been
doing them as a job over the last couple of years,
and it's just we'll celebrate the ones where we can
take them. It's definitely when having that terror from open beef.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So how realistic that we see the same thing occurred
to Lamb.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I'd say much lower chances. I talked about that as
well with the Secretary of Culture was in the US
last year. And also have jets and people you know
in the sheep sector in Wyoming, Montana, and these are
these are very passionate group of people who know farm
sheep and are very protective of these sector. So I
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think their votes are quite important in the estates and
they wouldn't be very happy about seeing that removed, So
I think they'd be a lot harder.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, and you tend to forget when you live down here.
We're very insulated from the reed meat industry and America
as such and the sheer size around it.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, No, absolutely, it's it's a massive sector in the
US and it's a very valuable sector for US. I
think that's our single biggest market for beef. But you
know that is a benefit and that they need our beef. Well,
you know they could buy it elsewhere, but we're we're
a good supply for them and so long may that continue.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So what's on for the week? Your way back out
to Wellington this afternoon and presume in some stage.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah exactly, yep, flying up this afternoon and we're going
to have another flat out we can hear us, I believe,
and we'll see if see when we get back south
I'm hoping hoping it's before the weekend strikes. We'll see
how it goes. How are you doing ming busy ones?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Are you doing like a sweet steaks? And what to passy?
Malory is going to come up with next.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
But no, we're just they'll do anything. We'll focus on
trying to get the country in the right place and
do everything you can to support the economy and make
sure we can get that money going flowing into our house,
sectory and education, sectory, out roads, you know, law enforcement,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Keep the economy moving and play that you played there
with a straight back, just like Darren Mitchell US today.
Joseph Mooney MP for South Long. Look, we always appreciate
your time on the Master Save Travels of Savey.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Are you going there and appreciate it?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Joseph Mooney, Southland Ben Dooley farms at Windon. We catch
up next see how things are going on the ranch.
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This is the muster. Thanks for Southlanderal Support Trust in
conjunction with Community Trust South. We're catching up with a
farmer today. We're talking about farming mindset now. These winds
are a few weeks ago now, and yes it does
seem like a long time ago. It does move on,
as does the cycle on the farm. But Ben Dooley
today farming at Wyndham, sheep, beef and YouTube farmers, going
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to tell us all about what he's been doing lately
during a busy season and alls will tell us about
this has just been one of those weeks for him
about looking at the long term picture and what he
does to negate certain circumstances on the farm. Ben, good
afternoon and always good to chat.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Good day.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Here's a going Yeah, not too bad. Firstly, ground conditions
at Windham, Hell are you looking yep?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, we're good.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The sky is very threatening right now. But we'll currently
got a pair of hair going and one padic and
a planty going in another and another plan to hopefully
turning out this evening, if not tomorrow, and that will
be all of our one to crop in the ground,
and there's only about two hit dais of young grass
left to go too, So yeah, pre stoke we've managed
to get on top of that. It was an old saying,
you know, burning the candle at both ends that wasn't
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good enough, so we had to cut the candle in
half and get it burning in four ends. But we're
just about there and then we can stop and take
a breath.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So how long you got have you got that candle
burning for at the moment, as you put it, very very.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Short amount of time. What we're putting in a big,
big week to ten days, the track is probably gonna
have done one hundred and twenty years and ten days,
so that that stacks up. There's not just me and
my wife's doing a bit too, but you look, the
opportunity has been there to do it. We're gonna exploit it,
and then we're gonna take it easy for a while
after that and just be able to sit back, put
their feed up for a bit, maybe get the boat
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out and maybe and yeah, then we'll come back and
make a start on the next big marathon, which is
given through weaning and cheering.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So you're getting on top of the tractor work. You
had a short term goal in mind and you've pretty
much got there.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely, man, we're just just absolutely exploring those Those were
the windows when they turn up. So yeah, saves things
from dragging on and saves those jobs building up at
the at the Christmas end of things.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So how much have you had to pivot for want
of a better word or deviat I suppose it is
even better from what you had in store regarding the
farm because of the wind that we had three or
four weeks ago. Deals, what have you done differently?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We were quite lucky. We had quite a few branches
out of trees. There's a few shelt about trees that
we young ones are blown out. We were pretty you know,
not a lot of fence damage. We didn't have to
worry about rushing out to doing a whole lot of
fencing or anything like that. So it has an effect
a us majorly in that respect. I guess the only
thing was the clear lot coming off the roof of
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the yards, but it's all fixed up now. Because of that,
we sort of missed an opportunity to get the hog,
it's sure, but we'll get there when we do. But no,
we haven't had to change much, but there's pretingy people
out there that have. And the one thing that's quite
good to notice is that people do adapt to things,
and when you put in those situations, it's not nice,
but it's good to see people just working out what
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they've got to do and moving forward, as opposed to
just sitting there and dwelling a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now it's underesting. A social media post went last night
on a farming page regarding the story about telling people
to get off farm, and they're taking the different texts
and saying, stop telling farmers to get off farm. It's
not helping.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's two ways to look at this, and this is
the people that enjoy their job, wanting to carry on
doing what they're doing and farming their livelihood and have
a staycation. That's all well and good, but at the
same time it's about encouraging a work life balance. Would
be the other way to look at things. I'll suggest, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's a real catch twenty two, Like it's both both
conversations are potentially quite dangerous. If you're telling people that
you know you have to get off and you have
to do this, then people that really don't want to.
You know, some people are just really happy, and that's
the key word. They're happy of just spending all their
time on the farm. You know, I hate going to
town whatever at times on one of them, not all
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the time. And if you make those people leave the farm,
then then, you know, because you've been told to to
try and improve their mental health, then that can be
quite a dangerous message.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
But I think those.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Are the key there is those people are pretty happy,
and most of them will be smart enough to realize
that they don't need it. I guess the flip side
of it is if we start getting rid of that message.
You know, you know my saying by the damn boat,
just just buy the damn boat doesn't have to be
a boat. For me, it was a boat and go
and bloody use it, and that for me has just
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been just massive. I got myself in a bit of
a stake quite a few years ago, just various things happening,
and in the end my wife just said to me,
you need to go and see you mate, take the boat,
and we did, and all of a sudden the now
she regrets that because we do so much boating. But
for me, I'm quite happy being on farm until I'm not,
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and then I know I've just got to go do
something for a couple of days. So I kind of
I appreciate the message, but I guess you got two
messages there that are catering to two completely different types
of people, and I think we just have to be
very careful of how we push either one of them,
but particularly the one where you know, you're telling people
you don't have to get off farm because the people
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that need to are the ones that are probably at
higher risk.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So your wife Sarah actually encouraging you to get off
farm and go and do something different. How did you
take that for a start?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, well it was interesting because at the time, I mean,
I knew, I knew I wasn't well. I didn't know
I wasn't good. I just thought everything else wasn't good.
A whole lot of things that were outside of my
control going wrong at once, snowstorm leading higates, all sorts
of things happening. Yeah, and I just was getting really
frustrated with everything, and so I had I had no
clue what was going on. She did, thankfully, And yeah,
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it was Yeah, probably it wasn't touch and go or
anything like that. But I was getting pretty down about things,
and I was just lucky that she was there. But no,
it'd be nice if we could go away together over spring.
But as most people will know, spring is a challenging
time to leave the farm unattended. But yeah, she just
just pushed me out the door basically, so'd go up
see them. Went saw them for it for a night
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or two, a couple of drinks and yeah, but a
boating and yeah, come back feeling refreshed, recharge and ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Now your YouTube channel, Deep South Sheep and Beef. Do
you ever talk about this on there? About mental health?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I haven't, and it's possibly something. It's not something I've
ever thought of, but I possibly should. So maybe in
the next couple of weeks I might make a dedicated
video about it and see what I can do. It's
a real awkward thing to talk about, but it needs
to be talked about. So yeah, something I could possibly do.
There any it can be.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And that's the big thing. When you're talking to your
mates or your neighbors or someone like that, you're yearning
away and you're not sure how the situation's going with them,
It's just two words. It's like you. Okay, that's all
it is. It's a conversation starter. Go one of the
days where they're going to sit there and say, oh
I don't talk. I really like that. That's not the
way it is now.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Absolutely, there's still a fair degree that old Keiley humbility
out there.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That was in there, of course there is, but times
have moved on as well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, and that's that's not a bad thing. But that's
not a bad thing in managing expectations that there's a
point where you've got to draw the line there. And
I think, yeah, guys are a lot better at talking
about things than they used to be. And yeah, it's
just finding those people you can trust and yeah, having
those conversations. But yeah, we're still pretty good at down
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playing our emotions at times, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But we are getting better.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Ben Dooley, always appreciate your time on the muster. All
the best and the paddics getting all those crops and.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I no, thanks very much, Andy, Ben Dooley.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Thanks for South and Rural Support Trusts and an association
with Community Trusts South. Just talking about well being. We're
away to Canada next. We are catching up with Greg Erickson,
formerly of Woymomou but now farming or working on farms
near Mullets. And before the end of the hour, Elliott
Smith have a newstalk ZB once again overseas. We're going
to Cardiff.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
The Musters on the farm brought to you by Southland
District Council working together for a better Southland.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
We're away over to Canada this afternoon on the Muster.
Former Waymomie resident Greg Rickson now resides over there near
the town of Millet, where he's involved in the farming
industry's driving harvesters, trucks, you name it, that's what Gregg's
up to. Good afternoon, Greg, thanks for joining us once.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Again, many thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
How's everything over in Millet today?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Everything is pretty good. Here's nice not it's plus six.
It's been pretty sunny for the middle of November.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Quite nice.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So it's pretty mild for the time of year. Is
what you normally expect? Give us an idea what temperatures
should normally be.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Wow, it's a wide ranging window. It can be minus
twenty five for some year, or it can be plus
ten plus fifteen, so it's it's it's the flip of
the coin. You might get hot you might get cold.
It just you just never know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Is that in Celsius?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well so those getting cold dean.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Isn't it is that in the cool off? Yeah, his
stanical off. But it's not too bad yet. It's we
know the cold's coming, but it's you know, we take
take the good what we can.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Does it become mind over meadow when it gets set
and a fee or you just deal with it?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Nah? No, No, After a certain point, especially when it's
thirty below or forty below, and especially with some winds,
you you can't be outside the too long or frost
whit's kicking in and you're you're starting to physically hurt.
And then when you get inside a warm up, it's
still hurting and you could be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Now you've just come through the harvest season. You've recently
been on a family holiday to the States. As far
as the harvest though, how did it go?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Harvest was excellence. We had a pretty good amount of
rain up until July, a little bit in August, and
then it just was dry. So we had perfect harvesting
conditions for about three or four weeks longer than we needed.
So it was awesome and our yields were really good
because of the rain earlier on the season, and we're
probably ten to fifteen percent up on all of our crops.
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It's been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So it's a reasonably buoyant mood in the sector at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It is.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
It is. The prices are a bit of a drag,
but the excess yield is helping cover the losses.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now you're explaining the prices before, and obviously we working
kilos and tons over here, but you guys and Canada,
it's all about the imperial system of a goodness. Say
you're trying to figure out brushels and the likes.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, well, currently the price of week for a bushel
is about seven dollars and the Canadian nors, and if
you convert all that to tons, it's around three hundred
bucks the ton. It's not great, and it's complicated because
the the big the big guys who sell the grain overseas,
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they buy and sell them times. But the farmers they
see yields, they're in bushels, so there's constant conversion and frustrating.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So they're working in tons, the big players, as you
put them, because that's what the overseas markets dictate.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I guess so the only one as far as I know,
the only folks who use bushels are the farmers in
North America. But there's plenty of them, so that's what
we use. But yeah, the big guys use definitely use metric.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So you're talking bushels and when do you start working
in hanage and the likes I mean, you talk about
your trucks, some big rigs on the road over there.
I did say you're not dealing in bushels when it
comes to tear weight.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
No, no, no, that's all in kilograms and tons on trucks.
Hang on, that's all in kilograms and tons on trucks
in Canada. If you go to the States, you're down
to pounds. So it gets complicated again.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
This sounds bloody confusing. Good on you, America.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, it's it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then you work in kilometers in Canada, but you
go over the border, it's all in miles.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That's correct. Yes, And a lot of the vehicles have
both on the dash because you know you across the border,
or the maid half made in Canada and the other
half of the vehicles made in the stakes and they
bounce back and forth, so they've got to got to
accommodate both systems.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Now, take you to get used to that over time though.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It does, yeah, you do. It's not as simple as
it sounds, but it does take time and that you
can be figured out.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So what about this shoe's facing Canadian farming At the moment, Greg,
we're hearing about terrace the terriffts from America regarding New
Zealand beef have been dropped over the weekends. So it's
a very reactive, reactive move by the American government, which
seems to happen more often than not. But of course
you've got a new prime minister there, Mark Karney, who
just got the job a couple of months ago. How's
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he viewed by the farming community.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Well, he's seems to be viewed positively. He's certainly an
improvement on the previous Prome minise of Justin Trudeau in
terms of however infuse them, especially in the farming community
or even Alberta. However, everyone is sort of just waiting
to see if he'll or what he'll do that will
make him that much better. At the moment, he's well,
(30:52):
he's playing you know, chess with Trump and he's I
don't know if he's losing or not, but playing and
it's just sort of back and forth, and then comes this.
I think it's come to a bit of a standstill
in the last two months, so I'm not sure where it's.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Going to go.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
But Cannie, I think is definitely better than the last night.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Is it a case would be key for what you
wish for though? Playing mind games with the Trumpster, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
You never know what's going to happen. As you've seen
with the beef thing, it's just he had to cave
for well, whatever the reason was, but he's caved. And
now how long is this positive gonna last?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know? But at least you've got a PM over there.
He seems to recognize farming unlike Trudeau.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah, he definitely recognizes farming. He definitely recognizes the amount
of money and the impact the industry can have, and he's,
you know, he's for it and he's not ignoring any
problems that we have. So no, I guess that's as
much as you can ask for.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Point now read made prices here in New Zealand. They're
on a hot industry highs at the moment. What are
we seeing over there? And for beef pipe prices in particular,
they sound rather hot.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Oh, they're definitely high. Still, they were coming down slightly
due to I'm not sure why, but they were coming
down about three four weeks ago they dropped. So if
I wanted to buy a heifer, eight months old heifer,
about two months ago it was thirty five hundred bucks,
and then three weeks ago it was only three thousand bucks.
(32:32):
But I think it may have climbed up a little
bit if the tariffs on the beef have dropped, but
I'm not sure if that's shooting Kennedy yet. So they
haven't got back in the swing of things since the holiday.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
See this sounds like bigger fluctuations in the sheer market
and we're only talking live style.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, it was a very big drop, so that's why
I didn't buy before a holiday. So I'm not sure
what they're going at right now, but we'll just see
what happens come tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What about sheep prices land prices around where you are,
greg Or, there's not many of them about?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Oh, there are none about. Sorry, there are some about.
So if you go a couple of miles wester of me.
You can find a few sheep, but in terms of
a market, there isn't one. They are just if you
want to go buy one, you can go buy one,
but there's no markets per se.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, certainly interesting to see what the farming landscapes over
there compared to New Zealand. Greg, hey will leave it there.
Always appreciate your time on the muster and wrap up
and stay warm.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Thanks manby.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Greg Erickson, formerly Avoid Mom who now residing at Millet
in Canada. You're listening to the Muster before you wrap up.
Elliott Smith, the voice of rugby and News Talk ZIBY
and gold Sport looking at the Albacks twenty four hours
after their latest loss. Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui.
(34:05):
Elliott Smith is the voice of New Zealand RAGB. You
can hear his commentaries on this tour of Europe on
News Talk ZB as well as gold Sport. Elliott, good afternoon, Well,
good morning. The case may be were you are. It
is a case of twenty four hours on from the
Twickenham loss. What are your initial thoughts as you look
back on the game.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Well, Andy, I think you look at it and go
wire we surprised by the defeats. Probably not. The All
Blacks went into the game. I thought it was probably
close to a fifty to fifty game and they didn't
play well enough to win.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So it's hard.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
To be too anx riddled about you know that the
lost necessary. You can be ansor riddled about the performance,
but the All Blacks didn't deserve to win and we're
outplayed by a very good English team And that was
what it was painted as before the game. It was
a pervoctial game for both teams. For England, it was
a sense of are we on the right track? Have
we got where we want to beat? With his team
(35:02):
and this crop of players, well, they provided the answer
yes to that question, whereas the All Blacks was we're
asking a similar question where they're back on track after
they lost to South Africa. Had they turned a corner,
you know, Graham Slam would have gone into the summer
with a very very nice feeling about this team, indeed
two years out from a World Cup, but not to
be and then England a well deserving of that victory.
(35:26):
And you know, to them go the Spoils and you go,
they're a team that's on the rise and for the
All Blacks, well, we don't know where they are at
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was it the manner of the loss to saying the
most disturbing thing about the game?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
From twelve to mizerl Up.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
The lack of game management I thought was poor from
the All Blacks. They did some really silly things at times.
Some Cardinals sins. You're missing touch twice from penalties in
the first spell. Now you know you may not have
scored from them necessarily, but you don't have the opportunity.
You can't find out. So they're at twelve nil, twelve five,
(36:03):
whatever it might have been when those opportunities presented themselves
with the penalties. They didn't drive home that advantage and
make it, you know, a ten point game again, or
a fifteen point game, whatever it might have been. Keep
that scoreboard pressure checking over and it's a very different
game if you're England and chasing the game from that
(36:23):
sort of deficit versus what was a seven point deficit
that they wiped up to one with a couple of
handy drop goals from George Forden, And to me, that
was game management at its finals. They were playing from
behind at that stage, but they just went down the field,
worked it into position, banged over a couple of drop
goals that's not in the New Zealand DNA, so they
missed some opportunities and I think that's the game management
(36:45):
is the most frustrating thing is that previous All Blacks
teams at twelve mil up would have just known the
way it's not back to the try line, back to
the posts and just build that lead and make England
chase the game and with that force of them into
a few more eras as well. So the lack of
game management and probably the lack of game plan would
(37:05):
be the one for me. I didn't see enough of
the game plan after the first twenty minutes anyway, with
the All Blacks when they scored a couple of nice
well taken tries through Lestifying Nuku and Cody Taylor, we
didn't see enough threats on attack. I didn't think throughout
the last hour of the game. So yep, you take
a step back and go game plan. Game management needs
(37:26):
a lot of work to convince that the All Blacks
are on the right track.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It looks as though Scott Barrett has been burdened by
having the captaincy on his shoulders.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, I think it's a fair thing to say. Look,
it doesn't sit easy with everyone leadership, and when you're
in a losing side, it's obviously going to only increase
the scrutiny. And you know, look, he is probably still
learning the ways of dealing with international referees and the
different personalities that come through from referees where English isn't
(37:59):
there his language, and dealing with them in a manner.
But you know, I think I don't know that leadership
is the sole focus in this team, but I think
you know, you look around the team and the senior players,
and I don't think they stood up yesterday. Cody Taylor,
you know, was yellow carded for a questionable yellow card,
but a yellow card nonetheless. You know, he's played more
(38:21):
than one hundred tests, Boden Barrett didn't find touch mad
a few other eras and obviously had that quad injury
as well. He's played nearly one hundred and fifty tests
for the All Blacks. So there are senior players in
that team that they didn't step up in that game.
So I think leadership is certainly one, but I think
there's a number of players that can be a bit
better in that regard to.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I suppose a positive from yesterday's loss was Josh Lord
coming into the last moment and helping give us a
dominant lineout.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Absolutely, And I think that's an interesting point because you
look at those Locks now and remembering that two po
Vai is back home in New Zealand, so to Patrick.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
We a lot too.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Fabian Holland didn't play yesterday with illness. Josh Lord has
been the big move on this tour by some distance,
and then you've got Scott Barrett in the mix, and
when you look at the second row, that's a lot
of depth that the All Blacks are developing there, and
I think there is some promising signs there. He went
to Twickenham and was feasting on that opposition Borland. You
(39:22):
know a lot of people and including myself, a questioning,
you know, when are we going to see Josh Lord,
you know, play some rugby and give us a sense
of what two consecutive All Blacks regimes have seen from
theim Well, we've seen over the last couple of weeks
him really grow at test level. So I think with
Locks there's a lot of depths there as you look
(39:42):
towards the twenty twenty seven World Cup. They're probably missing
a piece or two in the loose forwards, but you've
got Wallace to teet there as well. Peter Lackeye ad save.
You probably just need a couple more pieces in the
right places there. Front rows looking pretty good by and large,
so I think there are issues in the back line,
but you're starting to build some depth here in this team.
(40:05):
It's just, you know, winning those big moments and big
test matches and playing the right way that is the
issue for this team.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just finally Wales the last game for the season this
week here, hint. Can we expect wholesale changes like to
Ruben Love for example, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Think we can. Just been chatting with Scott Robertson earlier
in the evening here, and while he didn't give away
that the wholesale changes, I think the sensors that players
that haven't had a lot of game time on this
tour will get opportunities this week and play. As you
mentioned there, Rubin Love, I should get an opportunity this week.
Rico Yowani, you would suspect to be there as well.
(40:42):
Haven't seen him for the three weeks of this tour,
players like George Bow Cortesratam are likely to come in,
so it could be a very very different looking All
Black team. They'll want to finish this year on a high.
Wales in a bit of a funk or a severe
funk at the moment, but they did beat Japan yesterday,
so look, I think you can expect a number of
(41:02):
changes to the All Black side for this week and
fair to say they are hurting after yesterday. Is obviously
the country back home, so they need to put in
a performance that warrants that herd and sends the All
Blacks into summer on a positive note rather than the
negative one that we've just been talking about.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Ellieah Smith, we can hear your commentaries on newstalg Zibbian
goal sport against Wales this weekend. We always appreciate your time, am.
I just say, this connection is ridiculously clear when I
can't even talk five meters away in New Zealand and
have a clear line like this, So you enjoy this
communications over there?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Well, yes, tribute to the Wales telecommunications business. I think
that's a connection we're on, so ye're good on them. Appreciated,
Andy laugh out loud with ad proud because life on
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(42:16):
you've been listening to the muster on Hock and Newli
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