Ochelli Effect 1-20-2016 Jordan Maxwell Re-Release 110325

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Get ready, get ready for the Chili effect and now

(00:58):
must it must rate avoid in all media the alternatives,
alternative chuck O'shelly.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
So, it is the twentieth day of January twenty sixteen,
according to that thing we call a calendar, and it
is just after eight pm on the East coast, where
I happen to be sitting at the moment, of course,
that would be five pm on the Pacific left coast,
whatever it is you want to call it. And we
are live on American Freedom Radio at Americanfreedomradio dot Com.

(01:30):
The o'ceelly Effect. Now, this is the type of show
tonight that will be very much different from what I
usually do. But I'm extremely happy to have Jordan Maxwell
with me tonight. And the reason is we are going
to just have a discussion here which I guarantee was

(01:51):
not scripted, was not choreographed in any way, shape or
form as per usual on my show. I don't know
exactly where any of this is going to go, folks.
I did have a chance to speak with Jordan in
November during the American Freedom Radio Marathon, and by the way,

(02:12):
we do appreciate you. Whether you've decided to go to
the website or you have utilized your final slab of
choice via your applicable application. Either way, if you're catching
us further on down the stream, that's fine too. And
who knows what time of day it is or what
day it actually is where you are as you hear this,
but still you're appreciated. I did get to speak with

(02:34):
him during that AFR marathon, though briefly, and I've got
to tell you more questions than answers in my mind
came from that discussion and also from the examination of
mister Maxwell's material. So hopefully we will get to some
of the things that I had in my mind and
some of the things that may be in you the

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listener's minds tonight, mister Maxwell, how are you doing well?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Very good, Chuck, and thank you for inviting me again.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, I will see where this goes, right, And I'm
not making it up for the listener's clarification, right, There
is no preparation that has gone in at all. We
are having a completely unscripted discussion and the only thing
I did do is just before we went on air,
and I reveal everything to the listener because that's just

(03:24):
the way I conduct myself. Is that I did explain
to you something that I wanted to strike upon right
out of the gate without hesitation, and that is this
concept which is extremely prevalent in what some people may
call and here I go, holding up the air quotes
again for you at home, the alternative media, the continuous

(03:46):
absolute parroting of this blame. Every single terrible act, every
single ugly thing that appears on the earth is attributed
directly to well, let's be blunt. I mean, it's all
about the Jews. It's all about the Jews. It's all
about the Jews. I hear this continuously, constantly, without end.

(04:09):
They blame the Jewish people for everything. Now, my studies
of history, before I ever started doing any of this stuff,
before I even spent that time, which was, you know,
more than two decades working on the jfk assassination, et cetera,
et cetera, before and long before I started doing this

(04:30):
radio show, it seemed to me as though if you
were to appoint to a religiously based organization and say
that they had undue influence, spilled much blood across the planet,
caused a great deal of suffering, torture, and whoa political
intrigue I mean, you know, the dirty intelligence game. Long

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before there was ever even the dream of something like
the CIA, began with what we might call today the
Catholic Church, Vatican City, Rome. Now, am I completely insane
Jordan or what?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
No? No, my god, that's the history of the world.
Just go back to the library and sit down and
read the history of the world, and you will find
that Rome has dominated Europe for about, I don't know,
twenty three hundred years, and Europe has dominated the world
twenty three hundred years. So I guess all roads lead

(05:33):
to Rome. The Jews roads lead to Rome. Yes, I mean,
there are certain Jews that can be blamed, but ultimately,
as far as I'm concerned, the ultimate dark secret is
that the Jews. I've told you before, three quarters of

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all of my friends around the world, and all my
personal friend and three quarters of all my friends are Jewish,
and we sit and commiserate all the time together. You know,
they're talking about all the horrible, terrible things the New
World Orders doing, and all the Nazi and fascists and
communist crap going on. And these are just good people.
They're all my dear friends, and they're all good people

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because I've known them for years, and they they're complaining
and crying about the lamenting about the system we live under,
like all the other of my friends. So I don't
see the Jews as such. I think it's I think
it's ludicrous to blame Jews as such for all the
troubles of the world. But having said that, there's always

(06:40):
going to be a butt and that is just as
we were talking about before going on the air that uh,
you know, Sicily has a lot of people living there, Sicilians, Uh,
but there are some Sicilians that are really bad we
call mafia and uh. And so there are some Sicilians
that are really bad well there and Ireland. There's a

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lot of Irish people there that are very good people,
but there's a few really bad ones. Well, how that
goes on throughout the world. There's a few bad ones
everywhere in any culture. So there's going to be good
and bad in all things period. But especially when you
go back and start looking at the actual history of

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the world we live in and go back to the
Roman Empire before that, the Grecian Empire and the Babylonian
and you begin to see that there's always been a
presence a dark what I would refer to as a
demonic depravity system of the of the powerful wheelding over

(07:43):
the poor and the innocent and the and the and
the you know the what am I trying to say,
as opposed to powerful as the poor and working class
peoples of the world have always been dominated by warlords, murderers,
vicious And that's of course understandable because most people want

(08:09):
to just live their lives and their families and their
friends and leave the rest and the rest of the
world live the way you want. But there are certain
people in this world who are mentally deranged, They are psychotic,
They are criminals, and that's who they are, that's how
they live. They live from day to day by ripping

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people off, murdering, lying, and so in this dog eat
dog world, whoever rises to the top is usually the
worst dog on the block, and that's why he is
in control of all the other dogs. And so when
you see what's actually happening, I remember in the movie

(08:55):
Godfather three and the Third Godfather, Michael Carly is sitting
at the very end of the movie, Michael is sitting
on the porch with his sister and he says in
the movie, he says, sister, I you know, when I
was growing up as a little kid, I always believe
that the higher you rise in society, the more correct

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and honest and lawful everything has to be. And he said,
now I look back on my life and realize it
was just the opposite. The higher you rise in this world,
the more corrupt and evil you must be. Well, that
tells me because I already knew that. And the reason

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why that's true, that you must be very, very evil
to rise to the top of leadership. Why because our
whole world is, as the Scripture says and the Bible says,
the whole world is lying in the power of the
wicked one. There is no doubt in my mind that

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is exactly the case. That the entire earth has been,
for as far far back in history as we can go,
has always been overshadowed. Is the word I use. That
the human race has been overshadowed by a dark, evil
other world influence. Something very dark and very evil actually

(10:26):
rules this earth period. And the concept that there's a
god who loves everyone, who loves the children and creates
wonderful and beautiful things, I do not buy. I am
totally convinced that the Earth as we know it has
a totally different history than anything you've ever heard. And

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one of the reasons why is because we are finding.
One of the reasons why I believe that we are
being led by a higher power that is a is
about as vicious and demonic and depraved as it can
as you can possibly imagine, is because if you go
into like Africa and all over the world, we're finding

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what it's called out of place artifacts, things which are
found that make no sense to anyone. And since that's
the case, scientists don't discuss it. Because the scientists didn't
find it, and they didn't discover it, well it must
not be important, and especially if it throws a monkey
wrench into their belief system completely by finding something that

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you can hold in your hand that tells you your
whole idea of history is totally incorrect. No wonder the
scientists don't want to look at out of place artifacts.
And what I'm talking about is that like in South Africa,
they were digging very very deep minds and they go

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down to a strata and they go down so far
into the earth how many miles I don't know miles
into the earth, and they they hit a strata which
all paleontologists and archaeologists will agree that at that depth
of the in the ground, you're hitting strata which is

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three and a half to four billion years old. And
at that strata, and in that strata that's three and
a half four billion years old, that all scientists agree,
you're finding handmade artifacts, strange bracelets, rings, strange artifacts somebody

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had created. It didn't just pop in. A ring, just
doesn't pop out of nowhere. So somebody was here four
and a half billion with a b four and a half,
three and a half to four billion years ago. And
so I don't know what that does for your modern
day educational system. You know that man we know everything

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about mankind. We've got it all nailed down. We know
everything there is to know. And all the Marxists, lend
in US, Soviet Communists, professors in their universities today will
tell you we know everything there is to know about
everything in the whole world. Well, and point of fact,
know the entire world we live in has been under
is now and I think probably always will be under

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a demonic depravity, an evil, filthy and degenerate presence on
the earth that promotes violence, rape, plunder, chaos, the destruction
of families, the destruction of governments. It is a very ancient,
ancient story. And of course we go about all the

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writings of the ancient world. And there's so many good
people out there today that are talking about this, that
really know what they're doing, like Michael Krimo, for instance.
Michael Chrimo is one, right off the top of my head,
one of the best out there. And Lloyd pie was
another one. Go on the web and type in Lloyd

(14:09):
pie Pye and listen to his discussions and will blow
your mind about what was gone on this earth hundreds
of millions of years ago. And of course we know
in the oceans of the world off the coast of Cuba,
off the coast of Okinawa, off the coast of Florida,
and the Bermuda Triangle all over the world, and the
oceans are great, huge temples. We know that there are

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seashells and salt deposits on the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
Nobody's ever discussed how come seashells and salt deposits are
on the Pyramid in Egypt. Nobody seems to realize that
these sphinks was water eroded. The erosion of sphinkes is
by water. Most people don't know what's really going on

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on this earth and the actual real history, and so
that's why I'm I am totally convinced that we as
humans are being overshadowed by some sort of a profoundly
evil but brilliant mindset from somewhere. Like the Knights Templars

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used to say, as above so below, I think there's
something to that, because what's going on here on the
earth below implies that there's some sort of an overshadowing
of the earth. The whole world is lying in the
power of the wicked One, as what the Bible says,

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and I think that's exactly true.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I think right now, I think I think you're exactly correct.
And the fact is that this is nothing new. This
is not some sort of modern concoction, you know, by
those who have great imaginations. Reality dictates, and I constantly
hear these stories in fact about archaeological digs, not as

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necessarily describing these billions of years old artifacts, but I
have heard many stories of archaeological digs that that show
evidence of human sacrifice long before you know, not just
not just relegated to people like the Mayans, and you know,

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and and these individuals, you know, okay, they were you
know what the normal story is, mister Maxwell. They're savages.
Therefore they they prayed to strange gods and they thought
that this was a good thing. But honestly, all across
the planet you find evidence of human sacrifice, of child
sacrifice everywhere, everywherewhere. There is no place that's existing from it, right,

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I mean, And that in and of itself tells you
that if a race of beings are set upon one
another in this way, and that blood letting is probably
the the the most prevalent characteristic of a species, what
does that tell you about what's influencing that species? I mean,

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this is just my observation, but.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You're right, that's exactly what I'm seeing, something that has
a consistency for thousands and countless thousands of years, the
same kind of murder, violence, human sacrifice, I believe. And
there's a young lady out there that you really need
to know about. Her name is Tracy Twyement, t wym

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and Tracy Twicement. I consider her to be extremely important
because she's really right on target. She talks about the
demonic depravity which is behind our call our word of government, money, commerce,
the demonic depravity behind our religions, governments, the words and

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terms and the symbols and the hell. I've been talking
about that for years, years, but she has had actual uh,
you know, she's really done how homework on talking about
how money is created and how the A and and
another guy, another person that's really good on this stuff
is Joseph Ferrell f A R R E L L.

(18:17):
Joseph Farrell. Joseph is incredibly brilliant stuff on the the
occult demonic UH stuff going on behind world government and
money and commerce and how your money is based on
sacrifice and UH and how monies thousands of years ago,

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the monies of the ancient empires were based upon the
value of those of those of that currency or those
those coins or whatever, on the basis of human sacrifice.
And then bring it into today, which Joseph Farrell does beautifully.
I'm just fumbling through it, but that UH wars today

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are all part and parcel of a system of human
sacrifice in order to back up our currency. So you know,
like the mafia says, if you haven't killed somebody, you
don't have any currency with the mob. You need to
kill somebody to have currency. The term is well, I'm
saying that especially Joseph Ferrell and Tracy Twyman are very

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very important when it comes to understanding why you have
to kill people to make your money valuable. It's some
kind of a sacrifice that you must sacrifice, blood sacrifice
so that your money will be involved in some sort
of a world system of occultism that your money operates in.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So and this ties to directly to stuff like birth certificates,
is absolutely absolutely Because now I've heard this in and
you know, excuse me for kind of going through it
in a sloppy way, but uh, well, hey, you know,
but you're you're a lot more eloquent than I am
about this stuff. I've got to say. The the concept, though,

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that I've heard about is this, Uh, you know, we
have these birth certificates. Okay, people talk about it, and okay,
you're part of the corporation and you're part of this
and that, and therefore you're you become an asset and
all these things. But what's really fascinating to me is
the idea that these things are used in a symbolic way,

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which of course any any practice, which is let's use
the term a cult, but it's not really a fair
term because a cult simply means hidden, but in a
in a dark ritual sort of way. Uh. These things
are meant to symbolize a person. I mean, much like
people have heard the legends of voodoo dolls, right, which

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you know, it symbolizes the person. It's not the person.
It may contain some aspect of that person. So the
birth certificate becomes the surrogate for the person. And uh,
and I've actually heard of rituals being conducted with these
birth certificates in places like Vatican City. I mean, do

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you know anything about that?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, And that's why when if a baby is born
in a hospital, they they always take a you know,
they always take a what do you call it? You
know when you go into a bank, you put the
stuff on your finger and put your thumb print on
a check. Well, they do the same thing when a
baby is born in a hospital. They'll rub it with

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the with the black ink stuff and then put the
baby's footprint on paper. And so the idea is that
you know, most people have never heard of this and
most people think it's all a bunch of bull and silly,
but I know it's because they are symbolically owned your soul.

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The bottom of your feet is called your soul of
your foot, and so they are making a map and
commemorating that they own your soul. And so, but what
is difficult about all of this subject and all the
subjects I talk about, is that most people have never

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heard any of this, and so there's a problem with
something called cognitive dissipants. Cognitive dissipance, if you look it
up in a dictionary, simply means that if you're hearing
something for the first time in your life that you've
never heard before, and it doesn't match anything you've ever

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heard in your life and goes against most of what
you thought you knew, that you just disregarded because it's obviously,
on its face stupid. Why is it stupid, Well, because
you never heard it, and we know that's that's another
obvious that you are obviously one of the most well informed,

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well read human beings ever to have actually walked on
the earth. And if you haven't heard it, then obviously
it's stupid. It has no basis in fact at all
because you've never heard it. Well, then when you begin
to look at the human race and you find out,
you know what, so much of the human race don't
even know they're alive. And the people who do know,

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like George Carlin says, it's a big club, and you
ain't in it. But the people who do know, in
the big club, who are at the top of this world,
they know, but they're not telling you anything. And why
quite simply you and not it's all a need to
know basis, and you don't need to know. And why

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is that true? Because the people at the top of
this world know, they're not stupid, and they know. Of
the people, and ninety five percent of the people who
will hear some one of the elites, one of the
elites speaking about these kinds of subjects, they're going to
call him an imbecile, a nut, a goofball, and rat

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and rave because you can talk on the web and
call anybody anything you want. And so the brilliant people,
the very powerful people in this world, they're not stupid.
They just figure look it, why tell the going Why
tell the working class poor of the world, because they
don't have brains enough to fall off the chair. They're

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going to bad mouth you and turn your information on
you and mock you in public. So why don't you
just form a secret society, and only those who have
shown themselves to be highly educated, well read, well understood

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history the world around them, and very mature they come
into your secret society. They come into your private club.
And the rest of the people out there working from
day to day, nine to five, they don't even know
they're alive. They have no idea how the world works.
They don't know but what commerce is. They don't know
what a court is. They don't know how government works.

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As a matter of fact, they don't even know anything.
All they know is they've been told to drink your
beer and watch your ball game and go to church.
And I said, then shut up and stay all the way.
So I understand the idea that there's a big club
and we're not in it. But I understand why. It's
because you cannot tell the normal person. I'm being brutally

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honest with you. You cannot tell the public the real truth.
You can't do it. And very important elite as people,
the Rockefellers and the raw Childs of the world, know
that you don't have to explain it to them. They
already know. You cannot tell the working class poor of

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the world the real truth. Why because first of all,
they will ridicule you to the grave. They will mock
you and laugh at you, ridicule you and call you names,
and sue you and drag your name through the mud
and all, and you'll become the laughing stock. So that's
why the elite don't tell us anything. So you're not

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going to drag anybody's name through the mud for telling
you something, because they're not going to tell you nothing.
They don't they don't think you got brains enough to understand.
So myself, I've learned the hard way. I have been
honest with people. I have tried to sincerely tell people
what you know, what I have seen, what I have experienced.

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Uh And and for that you get ridiculed, sued, mocked,
laughed at, and chased out of town. So I know
what's going on. I understand, But I'm telling you it's very,
very disheartening to know that the human race can't take
the truth. Like like Cruz said to in that movie,

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A few good men, noil, and what do you want
from me? And crew said, I want the truth. And
he said you can't handle the truth. Well, that's exactly
the point. Working class regular people generally speaking, can't handle
the truth. They will mock you, laugh at you, spit
on you. And let me tell you something else. I'm

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going to give you a secret maybe you've never heard before.
There's something very interesting and I'm gonna and I'll tell
you probably never thought about it. People have always people
have always supported financially and in every other way. People
will always support what they want to hear, they will

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not support what they don't want. Here a classic example is,
if you love country western music, you're not gonna pay
fifty bucks to go to an ascid rock concert. If
you love opera, you're not gonna pay fifty bucks to
go to a different kind of music. People are going
to eat where they want to eat. They're not gonna
support support the restaurant they don't like. They're going to

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go where they want to eat. They're gonna wear what
they want to wear. So people will always support what
they want. They will not support what they don't want.
And that's a very big mystery. And you know most
people don't get that, but you know, but from that
we also understand that the one thing history has told
us and taught us is that the one thing most people,

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not everybody, but an overwhelming majority most people do not want,
and that's the truth. They're not able to handle the truth.
They want to believe in their Disneyland and their and
their dreams and their all their little silly ideas about
what's going to happen to you when you die, and
what's going to happen here, and there's gonna be a

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wonderful new world coming, gonna be the Age of Aquarius,
and everything's going to be wonderful, or you're going to die,
go to have it with the Lord and all that.
People don't want to hear the truth because the truth
is very very dark. The real truth is very very
unhappy and very dark. And that's why Hollywood has made

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such a fortune off of movies that take you to
a different world, entertain you, show you all the prettiness
of Hollywood, all the movie stars, all the big money,
and show you all the wonderful movies and television shows
and all that. It's all Hollywood. It's all make believe.
But the people love it. They love to drink their beer, alcohols,

(29:53):
smoke their pot and go to the movies and watch
the movies and entertain themselves because they can't handle the truth. Period. Oh,
I know all about it. I know all about it.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, and you're absolutely correct. I mean, the way I
think about it is though quite honestly, I mean, listen
to hand human beings. The truth sometimes is very much
akin to handing monkey's and machine gun because they have
no idea what to do with it. They don't they
don't accept it, and if they do attempt to use it,

(30:25):
they're probably going to cause more damage than do anything productive.
You know. And the reason, you know, the reason it's
so strange is that you would think that people would
gravitate toward the truth. He would think that people would
gravitate toward the reality of what's being presented. But in truth,

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nobody even knows who they actually are. I mean, we
talked about history, right, and now you identified right out
of the gate by the way you identified the two
ethnicities that come together to make me right, the Irish
and the Sicilian. No, my grandparents that's where they were from,
Ireland and Sicily. Now what's interesting is no matter who

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you speak to, you don't get a sense of the
true history. It's not been memorialized. People have not passed
it along in the way that we're led to believe
they did in the you know, in many centuries ago,
by the verbal word and all of that. And there
was a sort of an honesty to you know, one's

(31:31):
own ethnicity and all this other stuff. It's all a fiction.
It actually has nothing to do with anything. The more
I learned about my own ethnicity, quite honestly, and I've
never said this anywhere, but the more I learned about
my own ethnicity and where it is I thought I
came from, quite honestly, the more I understood that it
was all nonsense. That you know, you might be able

(31:54):
to learn about the past few generations from those who
are still alive, maybe, But other than that, the rest
of it is a grand speculation, and it's all been controlled.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
No doubt about it. I want to give you a
classic example of that. Anytime you hear the term anti semitic,
the very words, the very term anti semitic is what
is known as a misnomer is stupid. Only uneducated people
use that. People who are well read and understand the

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etymology of words and terms and symbols realizes that the
very word semitic is has no basis in anybody's language. Period.
There is no such a thing as semetic period end
of sentence. So when you when you talk about anti semitic,

(32:53):
that implies that there is somebody who is Semitic, and
point of fact, there is nobody semitic. It's a word,
and it's a word based on a false foundation and
a lie to start with, and so there is no
such a thing as semitic. Therefore, there is no such
a thing as being anti Semitic. There is a word.

(33:15):
There is something called anti Jewish. Now that's different. That's
a different word. You'll notice, anti Jewish, that's one word.
But the word semetic is a misnomer. It's totally only
an ignorant person would use that term. I don't care
if it's a professor in the university, I don't care

(33:36):
who it is. If you use that word semetic, you're
ignorant of the facts of life. You haven't done your homework.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That's true, but it's made even worse I think by
the fact that although it wasn't you know, one of
those things that has existed for a long time, the
people that were first identified with that term are not
the same people that are currently identified by that term anyway.
So to my understanding, now you can correct me here,

(34:06):
I mean, please do. But to my understanding, those that
you would consider like the Palestinians over there in the
because believe me, I've got no love for the nation
state of Israel. I've got no love for any of
these criminal nations, including the ones said you know too,
including the one I'm sitting in. But you know, but
the thing is, when you talk about Semitic people, even

(34:28):
if you were to attempt to pick up that term,
you're really talking about the Palestinians who are on the
opposite side of the issue from those that are being
described now as Semitic. I mean, unless I'm crazy again,
you know, please.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
But why is Israel even today Israel says if they
are in Palestine, Well, why do you have the word Palestine.
It's because quite simply, before Israel ever existed, there were
people living there and they were called Palestinians. That's why
you got Israel and Palestine, right, and so you know,

(35:07):
but nobody seem to nobody seems to understand the words
and the terms and what they mean, And so the
whole idea of semitic is something that really bothers me terrible.
I got a lot of things that bother me about religion,
but that's one of them. When people talk about somebody
being semitic, the whole word semitic. If you take a

(35:30):
few minutes out of your busy day and sit down
and do something really strange, read a book, open up
a dictionary, and look at something for the first time
before you go talking about it in public and showing
yourself to be a fool. Like the Bible says, it's
better to keep your mouth shut and have everybody think
you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

(35:52):
So I'm saying that if you really want to understand
words and terms, look at the words semetic. You will
find there is there is no such a thing as semetic.
Why because the word Semitic comes from one of the
three sons of Noah Noah and the Ark. Remember the
Old Testament Noah in the flood in the Ark and

(36:12):
it says that one of the three sons of Noah
was called Shim, And so the correct word was anyone
who Shim gave birth to his line of descent would
be called schmetic. There were three sons him Shim and
Jay Fedik and jayfth. So the idea being is that

(36:33):
we have semetic people because of Shim, one of the
three sons of Noah. Now, once you start looking at this,
the whole story of Noah in the Ark, you find
out it never happened. There was no Noah, there was
no Ark, and there was no world wide flood period.
It never happened. Yes, there has always been great, terrible,

(36:56):
huge floods, you know, on the Earth. We know that
because the pyramid has got salt deposits and seashells on it.
So something happened a long time ago where water is
not today, it was before. And we know that there
are pyramids sitting on the ocean floor of the Atlantic.

(37:17):
Right now, ten miles north of the island Abimity in
the Bahama Banks is a pyramid sitting on the ocean floor.
But nobody seems to worry too much about that because
the scientists don't want to talk about it. Why because
they don't know anything about it and it makes them
look like a fool that they've tried to talk about it.
So don't even bring it up. But if you look
at the world as for what it is scientifically, you

(37:40):
will find that there have been horrible floods. Whole continents
have been involved in great floods. We know that you
can see it in the strata of the mountains, but
there was never an earth wide flood that covered the
whole earth above the highest peak in the highest mountain,

(38:01):
like the Bible says, no, there's not that much water
to cover the whole earth, even to cover the highest mountain.
So we know that's ludicrous. But we find out later
that the whole story of Noah is based on Gilgamesh,
something called the Epic of Gogamesh, which was an old

(38:22):
ancient Sumerian Babylonian story thousands of years old about a
great prophet who had the three sons and three daughters
and he was told by God to build an arc
and to save the human race, and he took in animals,
and it's called the Gilgamesh Epic. Go to a library

(38:43):
and read a book about it, and it will tell
you thousands of years before the Hixos or what we
call the Hebrew people even existed, there was the story
of the Great Arc in the Great world flood. Well,
of course the Hebrews picked that up, and now we
have of it is Noah in the art. Well, all sciences,
all archaeological and paleontologent, palaeological scientists know there was no

(39:10):
earthwire flood, There was no Noah, and there was no
son called him, Shim and Jacob. The whole thing is
a story. That's why the Bible is called the greatest
story ever told. It's a story, not actual history. And
so when you understand that, whether then if there was
no flood, there was no Noah and they didn't have
three sons, well, then where do we get the word

(39:32):
seemetic if there was no Shim never existed.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well, and I'm glad, right, and I'm glad you brought
up Gilgamesh, right, because this is something that I did study.
Some of course, it was an English translation of it,
so it may be questionable, but facts or facts, there
are a lot of similarities between what is memorialized in

(39:58):
the story of Gilgamesh throughout what people would call the
King James version of the Bible. Right, Gilgamesh actually has
characteristics similar to that of the Christ figure. If I'm
not mistaken, and in fact, I see a synchronicity between

(40:20):
things like I mean, there are various I mean Gilgamesh
is one fine example, but there are various different stories
I'll call them about gods or demigods who are on earth, right,
that wind up having the very same characteristics that we
do find in the Judeo Christian faith. And it seems

(40:44):
to me like it is a continuous cycle of plagiarism.
And who knows where the story actually began or what
its origin was to begin with. I mean, you see
the same thing, right.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, of course, it's very obvious to anyone who studied
comparative religions and gone to university and learn how to
read and think and study the history of nations and
the ancient history of the world and mankind and the
evolution or the or the changing of civilizations from time

(41:20):
to time, and the borrowing of names of gods. Uh,
it's amazing. I'll tell you. What's really amazing to me
is that today when in Christian churches all over the
world they're worshiping God and God comes back comes to
us from the old Latin word dios the e u

(41:41):
s and Dius is God. And so we're worshiping God
in churches. But Dios is actually uh an interpretation of Zeus.
Zeus and Greek is Dius in Latin, and so in
Latin today and English we call Deos God. And so

(42:06):
Christians are worshiping Zeus. That's a dictionary definition. Go into
the library, get a dictionary and look at the words
Zeus and it will tell you Zeus in Latin is Dius,
and Deos in our language is God. So therefore, if
you're a Christian and you're worshiping God, you're worshiping Zeus.

(42:30):
That's the fact. Well, no wonder our world is fulled
with bloodshed and violence in the Middle East, and stupidity,
stupidity and ignorance and self centered stupidity, and religions all
over the world, and especially in America. With the TV evangelist,
it's an incredible story of betrayal. How the human race

(42:55):
has accepted the old ancient pagan gods and we give
them Christian names. Therefore we are Christians. We're worshiping the Lord.
We're worshiping the true Lord. No, you're worshiping the old
ancient gods of Saturn, of Jupiter. That's the way you
spelled Jew in the King's English was I U. You

(43:17):
take I U. That's the way jay, and we spelled
j E w no. In the Old King's English backord
of fifteen hundred, it was spelled I U. And the
word patter p A t a R. Pater. Pater was
an old ancient language. Patter was a father, from which
we get the word papa papa and patter patter. And

(43:40):
so the you put the I U, which was the
word for the Jew, in front of the word pater,
the father of the Jews, and it becomes I you
Patter was the father of the Jews. But the Ies
and Jays are interchangeable, So now the father of the
Jews is Jew Pater. Get it?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Got you? Well, Patria is actually the Latin word for father. Anyway,
that's right, you know, So, yeah, it actually makes a
lot of sense. And of course, yeah, you well, the
letter J wasn't invented, wasn't introduced into the language until later,
I think. Anyway, you know, so when you see that

(44:17):
and they claim it as part of any sort of
ancient text, it's it's erroneous, you know. And what I
also find fascinating is that the symmetry it seems to
suggest to me that all of these stories, all of
them being allegories, are truthfully representations of astrological alignments.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
That's exactly what it is. That's why the Bible has
Jesus saying many will look with their eyes but not see,
and listen with their ears but not here and with
the heart not get the sense of it. There's a
whole story about what really happened a long time ago

(45:03):
that we today call Christianity, and that real story has
never really been told in the public. Yes, you can
hear it if you go to the places like UCLA
and USC and all the great universities and set in
on private lectures by the professors talking about the comparative

(45:26):
religions and where the words for gods to come from,
and where the different religions have originated. Yeah, you might
hear it there, But out on the streets of this world,
the poor working class are never going to be privy
to hear the real, honest to God truth. And the
real truth is is that our major religions, especially Judaism, Christianity,

(45:48):
and Islam, come directly from Hinduism. The Hindus are the
parents of our three western religions. Judaism comes directly from Hindu.
Christianity comes directly from Hindu, and Islam comes directly from Hindu.

(46:09):
And the people today are fighting in the Middle East,
worshiping their ancient Hindu gods and killing each other, and
no one has ever stopped to think, why don't we
go to a library and look up what we're doing.
Look up the words. Look up the word Islam and
see where it really actually came from. And look up

(46:32):
the word conflict and see what it actually in fact
means in Latin. Let's look up the word Christianity and
see where it really comes from. And then you will
begin to for the first time wake up and begin
to see the horrible truth you've all been had. Pride
proceeds the fall, and everyone's proud to be worshippers of

(46:56):
the True God. And we know the whole truth. And
Jehovah's witnessed has got the truth. The Mormons have got
the whole truth. The Seventh day Inventors have got the truth.
You know, the Catholic Church has got the Baptists, the Presbyterians,
you know, all these cults and groups all around the
world that got the truth. And everybody else is full
of both well. And point of fact, No, the real

(47:18):
truth is that religion today is the worship of the
ancient pagan gods, Christianity, Judaism and is Islam. And I'm
telling you, when you start getting into the actual historical
lineage of people like got King, David, King, Solomon, Abraham, Moses,

(47:43):
my God, what a story. When you start finding out
where Abraham really came from. There was no Abraham, he
never existed. It goes back to Hindu and in the
Hindu religion, the most important ministers in Hindu religion will
called the Brahmans, and Brahmins were called the Holy Fathers.

(48:04):
They called the Brahmans the Holy Fathers. They were the
great experts on religion and God. The Brahman priesthood.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Abraham, that's right, and you.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Put an a in front of Brahmen, it becomes Abram. Well,
that's exactly what the Bible says. In Genesis, Abraham's name
was Abram first, and then it was changed. The Bible
says to Abraham. No, it's Abram, and then Abram Abram,
which we have people today with the name Abram. But Abram,

(48:39):
according to the Bible, had had a had a wife
named Sarah. Well, as it turns out as unbelievable. But
as it turns out, the Brahmans had a goddess that
they also worshiped. Her name was Sarah Swazi, and so
Abrahmen or Abram was also connected to the worship of

(49:02):
Sarah Swazi. So today we're told that there was an
Abraham and Sarah. No Abrahman and Sarah Swazi. Wake up,
get a job, go to school, and educate yourself. This
is the real story. And this is why all over
the world today the Abrahamic religions are killing each other

(49:25):
because that's what Abraham was told to do. Go kill
your son, go up and sacrifice and cut his head off,
and do it for God. And so we think, well,
that was very holy. Abraham was given the law of
God to go and kill his son. That's human sacrifice.
I don't know if anybody noticed that or not. And

(49:46):
the Hebrews are telling you that they practice human sacrifice.
Don't kill your son. And then no, the Angel appeared
to Abraham and said no, that we were just joking.
God just wanted to see if you really were a
neurotica to kill your own son. And you pass the test,
everything's fine. So you don't have to kill him. Now,
we know that you will kill anybody we tell you

(50:07):
to kill. And that's why the spirits, you know, that's
why the Lord loves you, because you'll kill anybody we
tell you to kill.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Right, You're you're a good obedient.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And you know what's amazing too, is now I don't
know if this makes any sense to you, but of
course the word Swazi sounds kind of familiar to me
as well, because one of the interesting parallels here we
all have heard about the swastika, right, you know that
is a Hindu symbol. You know that, well, you know

(50:43):
my very early recogn you know, my mind takes me
back away because this is a long time ago when
I can access these types of books which are getting
harder and harder to find. This was like a symbol
of of like good luck, of prosperity, or you know,
in the Hindu I guess I could call it a faith,

(51:05):
but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Of course, of course in the Hindu system you'll have
a swastikas. And that's where Hitler in Germany got his
swastika from India. But that's where the Jews got their
Star of David. Star of David was called the star
of Saturn. Go back and read a story. Read the
book about the planet Saturn and the ancient Phoenician and

(51:28):
Cataanite systems and going all the way back to India.
Saturn was always represented astronomically by a six pointed hexagram,
and so the ancient peoples in the ancient world would
draw a circle on the ground. I don't know if
you know this or not. They would draw a circle
on the ground and put a triangle, and then they

(51:49):
would invert another triangle on top of that one, which
makes it a six point a hexagram or the star
of David. Then they would stand inside of that drawing
on the ground and cast an evil spell on you.
That's how you come up with a word with a spell.
And so they would cast a spell on you. And
then that's why we got the word that they put
the hects on you, because it's a hexagram, a six

(52:13):
pointed star. It was a star of Saturn and the
ancient Hindu today the Jews are still worshiping the planet Saturn.
Saturn is their main god of Judaism period. Yahweh Jehovah.
All of that stuff is all based on Saturn. Saturn
was the god of the Rings, Lord of the Rings,

(52:35):
and the Jews in Hollywood us still making movies about
their god, Lord of the Rings. Absolutely, they'll wake up,
and yes we do.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And you know what, I think the purpose for all
of this is absolutely to promote the concept that as above,
so must be below, and as without will be within,
and vice versa. We're about to go to the break
here at the top of the hour. But I do
find this extremely fascinating, and what's most disturbing about it

(53:07):
is that all of this information, truthfully is right there
in plain sight. If one begins to make a correlation
and understand the causation, it almost begins to explain the
depravity that one can witness across this planet among every people,

(53:28):
regardless of whether they actually understand their ethnic origin, or
their traditions or anything else. I mean, you know, to me,
you know, very very revolutionary thought to me was the
concept that, you know, we in the Western world have
this Santa Claus, who's this big red guy. I always
found it really incongruous with the Christian faith, but yet
part of the rituals okay, And then when one examines

(53:53):
the concept of Molek and the way that that was,
you know, prosecuted once people in the truly pagan times,
in ancient societies. It starts to make a lot more sense.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
And especially when you understand that that that Santa Claus
comes from the North Pole hole, what's that all about.
We'll go back to the Book of Isaiah and then
the Book of Isaiah on the fourteen chapters talking about Lucifer,
which was that's another whole subject, but talking about Lucifer,
what the what the Christians called the devil, and it

(54:30):
says that that Lucifer is in the outermost reaches of
the North way up at the very outermost reaches of
the North well, that's the North Pole. That's where we're
getting all of this stuff from. Satan always wears red,
and Santa Claus wears red. Santa simply Satan mixed mix
the letters up, Satan becomes Santa.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
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(56:45):
And I do say prosecuted for reason. Perhaps we'll touch
upon that later, but you know, before we go any further,
I want to mention just a couple of things. One
is that mister Maxwell will be doing a radio show
again very no and I will give you the details
on that a little later on. But speaking of the
Jordan Maxwell show, if one is to go on the

(57:09):
internet and find Jordanmaxwell dot com, you don't want to
go there, because it's not actually Jordan's site, Jordanmaxwellshow dot com.
Once again, Jordanmaxwellshow dot com is the website which is
under mister Maxwell's control, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm

(57:30):
not going to make any comments about the other website.
Perhaps mister Maxwell will, maybe he will, maybe he won't,
doesn't matter, it's irrelevant. You go to Jordanmaxwellshow dot com. Okay. Now,
in that first hour when we were going to break,
we started talking about many different parallels. Of course, the
very last one was all about Santa Claus and g

(57:52):
isn't it interesting that if you transpose the letters just
a bit, it sounds a lot like Satan. Almost feel
like that old church lady character when I say that.
You know, sorry, I'm making jokes here, but honestly, it
is a joke to me, because people are so misled

(58:13):
by the ritual, they're so misled by the representation, and
meanwhile it's all a grand manipulation, not just in the
history but in their daily practices. It seems to me
like there's something else happening here, and it goes beyond politics,
It goes beyond the you know, the obvious. I mean, please,

(58:37):
I don't even know if we want to begin to
open up the concept of why is it that something
is out there called isis right now? That is the
big boogeyman. I'm sure you have something to say about
that if you choose, But you know, it's none of
this is by.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Accident, none of it. None of it. The one thing
you need to know about the world you live in.
Nothing is left to chance, zero, nothing. So it all
works because it's all organized. It's called organized crime. It's
criminality on an organizational level that most people cannot wrap

(59:15):
them buys around. So when you begin to see how
government and commerce and banking, insurance companies, banks are merely
fronts for the insurance companies and the insurance companies are
the real culprits behind this thing. And it has to
do with the fourteenth Amendment. I mean, we can get

(59:37):
into a long discussion about why commerce is called commerce.
Look it up in a law dictionary and you will
find that the word commerce, according to law is sex.
Sexual intercourse is referred to in law as commerce. It's
a business, you don't think so if it doesn't work out,

(01:00:01):
you're going to court. You're not going to God you're
going to court and bring your car and your house
and your money and everything else. Because it has nothing
to do with God. It has to do with business.
It was a bad business and the business didn't go
very well. But that's your business, not my business. Yeah. Well,

(01:00:21):
and that's why I said, when I see you walking
with some woman last night, and I tell you, you know what,
that woman you were with last night is bad business.
She's bad company. And you say, mind your own business,
company business. And then I find out you're going to
get married. She's going to be your partner. Now you're
talking about company business partner, you're talking commerce. That's why

(01:00:45):
you have to have you have to have a marriage
license because your marriage. You are a corporation. You don't
know this, but in eighteen seventy one it was decided
that you would be a corporation. You are. That's why
when you die, you're a corpse, because you were a corporation.
When you were alive, you were in business. Of course,

(01:01:07):
your business has got nothing to do with my business.
And what I'm doing is not of your business. But
the bottom line is we are in our lives are
a business, and therefore anything you do in life you
better get a permit, a license to pay the fee.
You can't paint your house unless you get a permit.

(01:01:27):
You can't do this with your lawn unless you get
the state to give you a permit, the city to
give you a permit, so you know. And you can't
drive your car without a license. You can't do business
without a license. You can't do anything without a license,
a permit, a fee of fine, a charge. The whole
entire system has been designed by people who are so

(01:01:51):
far removed from our reality of the world. The words
in terms that will blow your mind when you finally
figure out how the world really works. You know how
you are at corporation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Absolutely And it struck me because by the way, I mean,
I laughed a little bit, because you might recognize that
that little snicker of a man who has been divorced. Yeah, okay,
so so I snickered because I remembered distinctly sitting in
the courtroom and I wasn't even aware of most of
what you just said. Although it almost sounds confusing, it

(01:02:29):
makes your head spin if you really think about the
use of the words, the meaning of these words, and
how they seem to end up in more than one place. Well,
you know, when you're using the same language, it generally
means you know, you're, you're it. Just it makes perfect
sense that they use the same words related to businesses.
You have a merger essentially, which sounds a little like marriage,

(01:02:52):
you know, et cetera, et cetera. Right, and they describe
interactions between companies as a business relationship, et cetera, et cetera.
And one of the things that occurred to me when
I was getting divorced personally was, first of all, this
is nothing more than a business deal gone sideways, first
of all. And secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do

(01:03:14):
with a spiritual union. This is a union of property.
And I of course realized that I was not the
prevalent or good part of the property in my proceedings,
to be honest with you, So I knew I was
at a disadvantage as soon as I walked into the court,

(01:03:35):
you know, et cetera, et cetera. But you know, something
else occurred to me, and somebody mentioned this on Skype,
and I want to get to it because I'm a
big fan of Star Trek. Right, I always appreciated it
because it spoke to me on a bunch of different levels.
But I recognize that in the entertainment business, and you

(01:03:55):
mentioned it earlier about Hollywood and everything, television shows, all
this stuff representing different things, right, yeah, right, And somebody
mentioned to me and Skype that you know that you
might have some interesting thoughts about the symbolism in Star
Trek now, and I'm sure it goes way beyond the
concept of you know, say, people talk about it all

(01:04:17):
the time with the next generation and the tablets that
they used in the eighties and now we have them now,
and the cell phones, you know, the flip phones that
were prevalent for a while. G No, no, no, it
goes way beyond that, though, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Absolutely, it really goes beyond all of that. I mean,
the very spaceship itself is called enterprise. Enterprise is a
business and so and so the enterprise is taken man
where has never been before. That's right. Business is out
of hand. It's going all over now crazy. They're making

(01:04:54):
a business out of babies who are born. They owned them.
So you know, commer which is sex according to the
encyclopedia and a dictionary, and that's why it's called commerce.
It's a business and so like you said, different corporations
have affairs with each other, they have connections. Well, when

(01:05:20):
you look at this whole thing of Star Trek and
Star Wars and the Empire strikes back, there's all kinds
of secret symbolism and words and concepts that are being
put in front of you. But as you know, at
the time of nine to eleven, there was a movie

(01:05:40):
came out called Two Towers Twin Towers, and so many
movies and television shows had nine eleven years before nine eleven.
There were all kinds of shows, television shows, magazines, movies
that featured the word nine eleven, feature nine to eleven,

(01:06:04):
And there's just there's about there's about forty movies. You
go on the well, just go on the web. I've
been typing nine eleven before before nine eleven. And one
of the all kinds of movies and television shows talking
about what's going to happen on nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Well, one of the weirdest things was the show they
called The Lone Gunman. Oh yeah, that's I'm sure you're
failure with that. That's a dude. I mean, if people
don't know about this, I don't know what to tell you.
But I mean give your take on that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Well, my one of my dearest friends is is uh,
what's his name? Dean Haglin. Dean Haglin and I have
been friends for many years. Well, he played, uh in
the what is it? What was the sci fi movie?
Getting Nola? Can't remember? What was the sci fi movie

(01:06:56):
up in Canada? The big one? What was it? The
big sci fi series? Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Well, there was X file, X files, X files, Okay,
x files, and in X files there was a guy
who had long blonde.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Hair and wore granny glasses and he was he was
a computer nerd. Remember that, the long haired, blonde haired kid,
and he was in almost all the episodes. Well, that's
Dean Haglin. And Dean was a very close friend of mine.
We used to hang out together. So Dean gave me
a copy of many of the shows you know that

(01:07:39):
he got. He gave them to me. But Dean Haglin
was also when they stopped making X files. When they
when they stopped making it, the director, I mean the producer,
whatever his name was, I can't remember, but anyway, the
producer went on to produce a new television series and

(01:08:03):
the next TV series was going to be called the
Loan Gunman. And the reason why is because no matter
what happens in America or around the world, no matter
who was killed, who's assassinated, it doesn't matter. It's always
quote a loan gunment end quote. So it could be

(01:08:25):
a conspiracy involving forty six wealthy people killing somebody, but
when you hear about it in the paper, it will
be a loan gunment. So Chris Carter, the producer of
X Files, was producing a new television show and it's
called The Loan Gunman. And in it they showed the
very first one, the first episode. It's talking about how

(01:08:50):
there's a group inside the US government. I watched it.
I've got a copy of it. Watch it on television.
But it was about a group of people on the
inside of government at the top who were going to
fly seven forty seven the big big jets into the
World Trade Center and knock them down and then go

(01:09:10):
into Iraq, into the Middle East and for oil and
start a major war. Well that's what the movie was about,
you know, about eight and nine months before nine to eleven,
So you're seeing it eight and nine months before nine
to eleven. You're seeing a television show called The Loan Government,
in which you got jets, big big superjets, big ones,

(01:09:34):
flying into the World Trade Center to knock them down
so that we could have an excuse to go in
get the oil and all the valuable resources out of
the Middle East and take over the Middle East. That
was a television special. It was a television movie. I
don't know what that tells you. And so that along

(01:09:57):
with the whole idea that all kinds of stuf stuff
in the movies. Yeah, like I said, go on the
webagers type in nine to eleven before nine to eleven,
and you'll see all kinds of places where nine to
eleven pops up in the screen everywhere. So Hollywood knew
what was coming, they wasn't making movies about it five

(01:10:17):
years before it even happened. That's the way it works,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Right, this kind of thing comes up a lot, and
of course it leads to certain questions you know about well,
you see, like a guy like Geene Roddenberry, and I
read a little bit about him. I understand his life
story a bit. You know, a sickly child and he
had an imagination and he dreamt up these things and
had this concept. Of course, I've you know, read this
sanitized version of his life where he had this concept

(01:10:45):
that there would be ready for this one world government
at some point because there'd be based on Earth, you know,
all the benevolent reasons for it and all that, and
you're exactly right about it. But the thing that I've
always questioned is is whether everybody who's involved in these things,
the writing of them, is aware of what they're doing

(01:11:06):
or whether they're being given these ideas. I mean, do
you think that, like, say, a guy like Roddenberry. I mean,
I know, it's purely speculation unless you personally knew him,
or even if you did personally know him, it might
still be pure speculation. The thing is, do you think
guys like that are aware all the time of what
they're doing or is it just certain people that get

(01:11:28):
involved in the production. I mean, because it was a
weird situation Roddenberry getting involved with Desilu Studios, which was
kind of a weird sort of marriage and all this
stuff happening in the nineteen sixties, you know, post you know,
a Cuban missile crisis kind of atmosphere in this country
and the sci fi thing, but a lot of symbolism.

(01:11:51):
Even Spock with his greeting, that's a rabbinical hand sign.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
That's right, that spuck hen sign that mister Spock, that's
a vulcan. He was called the vulcan, right. And the
reason why mister Spock was called the vulcan, well, that
has to do with the ancient volcanic god of the
ancient Phoenician, Canaanites, Sumerian peoples. They had a volcano god

(01:12:16):
and even in Hawaii they got a volcano goddess. So
volcanoes were very important to the ancient peoples of the
Middle East. And the hand sign, mister Spock's hand sign
dividing of the fingers like he does, that is that's
a term in Judaism. I can't remember what it was now,

(01:12:38):
but there's a term for it. And that is a
blessing sign, being blessed. The congregation is being blessed by
the rabbis making that sign. And you'll see on the
web you'll see rabbis in their synagogues blessing the people
with the same sign that mister Spock is using. Well,
what is that sign that Spock is using that the
Jews use it to as a blessing. It's the split

(01:13:01):
hoof of a goat. It's the split hoof of a goat.
And there and and when you understand the split hoof
of the goat and why the goat is important in
the Jewish religion, and it has to do with Ares,
the Ram from from Egypt, the constellation of Ares. The

(01:13:22):
Ram and Rams have split hoofs, and so the Jews
were worshiping Ares in the sign of the Sun and
the age of Aris and the son of and the
Sun in the Age of Ares was always recognized by
a split hoof of a goat, and then later on Uh,
they are now worshiping the Sun and the age of Taurus.

(01:13:45):
And so the Age of Taurus is the golden Calf.
The Sun is golden and the calf is a bull.
So the golden calf was the Sun being worshiped by
the Jews. In the Age of Taurus, the bull, the
golden calf or Ares, the split hoof of a goat.

(01:14:06):
And that's why today Jews still worship the goat God.
And they blow the Ram's horn, which is called the chauffeur,
which is our horn of a Ram. And so they're
still worshiping the old ancient Egyptian god of the ram
as the constellation of Aries the ram and then of

(01:14:30):
course with the coming of the end of the age
of Taurus, the bull the golden calf, which is the
next constellation. The next one is called uh Pisces, and
Pisces is always represented as two fish. So then we
have a new new symbol for the new way of worship,

(01:14:54):
a new age, and it's called Pisces. All these things
are in Judaism, Christianity, Islam. It all goes back to
Hindu There's a Hindu astrological religion, and that's the name
of the tune. If you don't understand that, you're never
going to figure out what's going on today. All three
major religions. And there's a reason why they're three Christianity,

(01:15:17):
Judaism and Islam. Why three because there's a there's a
very good reason for why three, Because it goes back
to the triune part of the of the whole agent.
Hindu strategy was always based on three. A triune godhead, Brahma,
Vishno Siva o cyrus isis Horus, Father's son, Holy ghost

(01:15:42):
are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I've talked to rabbis years ago,
they said, yeah, we know, there was no Abraham, Isaac
or Jacob, just a story. I used to go to
the same and Weisenthal Center for Holocaust Studies and sit
and talk with rabbis and there was they you know,
make motion what they had. Yeah, we know, we know,

(01:16:04):
I know there was no Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. It's
just a story. And so why because it's always a
triune God. Like I said, father Son, Holy Goes, Brahma,
vish Reshiva O, Cyrus, Isis Horus and Christianity, Judaism Islam
is always divided into three. Something bigger is going on

(01:16:25):
that most people are not prepared to wrap their mind around,
how big, how ancient, and how profoundly evil. This whole
dirty system that we live under has been in operation
for thousands of years, and people have no idea in
the world. But I always say, by their fruits you

(01:16:48):
shall know them. What is the fruitage of the three
great religions today that worship the Lord the fruitage? By
their fruits you will know them. And so the you know,
people came to Jesus, as the scripture says, people came
to Jesus and asked him. They showed him some seeds

(01:17:09):
and they ask him what are these seeds of? What
kind of seeds are these? And in the Bible has
Jesus say, go plant the seeds, stupid, go plant it.
Water the seeds and watch what comes up. And if
an apple tree comes up, well I guess that's what
it was. There's apple seed. But if a parent comes up,
a paratree comes up, well, I guess that's what it was,

(01:17:29):
a paratry. So by their fruits you will know them. Well, okay,
what is the fruitage of Judaism Christianity in Islam? If
it isn't lies, deception, bloodshed, violence, wars, drug addiction, driven
by shootings, killings, the whole entire world is engulfed in chaos, violence, stupidity,

(01:17:53):
and ignorance and bloodshed everywhere. That's the fruitage of the
three major religion. That's the fruitage that this world is
now living with. The blood, sweat, dirty stuff going on, sex, violence,
drug addiction is an incredible story in Islam. You can

(01:18:14):
marry in Islam, you can marry a little four or
five year old girl and take her to bed, and
if you don't want to marry her, you can pay
the parents a certain amount of money and you'll marry
her for one night. She's only six years old, but
you can marry her for one night. Did you know
that Allah doesn't care if you want to rape a
little six year old who cares a load, as you
can pay for it. And so it's true, and people

(01:18:37):
don't realize you can buy You can buy a little
girl a little boy, or you can marry them if
you want to marry them or if you just want
to marry them for the night. It's only that costs
you a little more just to marry them for the night.
Nobody is thinking very clearly. When everybody's thinking alike, that
means nobody is thinking at all. Somebody better look at

(01:18:58):
the filth and deget received going on in the Catholic
Church with the altar boys and the Islam, with the
marrying little four and five year olds and killing and murdering,
bloodshed everywhere, my God. And then they'll get into Judaism,
my God, with the human sacrifice and circumcision, cutting off

(01:19:19):
the four skin of penises and all kinds of and
sucking the blood off the penis. There's all kinds of
dirty stuff that nobody is talking about. Nobody wants to
own up to it, and it's dirty, and that's why
nobody wants to talk about it. Well, a lot of
times somebody have the guts and talk about it, because
that's where we're going as a human civilization. We're going

(01:19:42):
down the tubes with religion, stupidity, and ignorance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
The name of that, and it permeates everything because there
are people out there that might say, Okay, listen, I
don't adhere to any of the what they call the
Abrahamic religions. Of course we've already covered that's a misnomer.
But you know what I'm talking about when I say that,
obviously the three major religions that we discussed. Right, So
you might say to yourself, well, listen, I'm an atheist.

(01:20:07):
I don't you know I'm not influenced by these things.
Well think again. Here's here's an interesting correlation. I'm gonna
throw these things at you and you take them apart
or tell me I'm out of line any which way
you want. If you think about it, and you imagine
the the the ancient symbolism you know for the feminine,

(01:20:29):
which looks like a V, the letter V. Let's say, right,
and then you think about the common symbol for the masculine,
which is the V turned upside down. You take those
two things together and what you have is something that
looks very much like the square encompass, uh, you know,
on any Masonic building anywhere that you see. But but

(01:20:52):
it goes beyond that. Let's just not stick with the
Masons lightning round here. If you complete those symbols, you
can make that six pointed star of the hexagram that
we were talking about earlier, can't you. And here's the
and here's another thing. Notice military ranks around the planet.
The masculine symbol. This thing is your rank. In fact,

(01:21:16):
the excuse me for being semi vulgar here, but listen, honestly,
the soldier with the most penises on his arm, which
is essentially what that is a symbol for, is the
one in charge. So yeah, and well there was one
last thing I just want to throw in. Those that
adhere to listen, I don't believe in any sort of

(01:21:38):
you know, I'm an atheist, an absolute atheist. I just
believe in you know, the I adhere to the state.
I adhere to the state. I'm sorry, but if you
take a look at justice in and of itself. The
way it's characterized, this to me, is reminiscent of a
Babylonian goddess. The statue of liberty is reminiscent of a

(01:22:00):
Babylonian goddess. And the ancient goddess religion, you know, and
I'll finish with this, the ancient goddess religion, liberty, justice,
these words in and of themselves have roots in the
ancient goddess religion. And this is a cruel and extremely
brutal religion that you're basically adhering to when you're adhering

(01:22:24):
to the state. Now, I'm not saying that everyone that
participates in all these things has evil intent in their heart.
What I'm saying is that the system, every system across
the planet is extremely diseased with this prevalent evil. And
here's the problem. If we say, well, listen, it's completely contaminated,

(01:22:46):
everything is surrounding us. Where is it coming from, mister Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
That's it. That's exactly right. That's a very good point.
Where is it coming from a classic example as the
Washington Monument. I've talked about this before. Washington Monument is
called an obelisk. It comes out of Egypt. It's in
the Egyptian obelisk. Obelisk is the obelism always represented the

(01:23:11):
male phelic in its erection, the male erection. That's what
it represented. If you go back to and look at
the history books and the reference books on Egypt, it
represents the male phelic in its erection. And it's direct
and Washington Monument connects directly to the Oval Office, the
female ovaries, the oval office, the ovaries, and so sexism

(01:23:35):
and sex is into woven into everything. Everything in religion
is based on sex. And this is why you have
all the problems that sex in the Catholic Church and
sex and religion and sex and the Jewish religion and
sex and the Hindus, and it's all based on sex,
drugs in rock and roll. It's just all of the

(01:23:58):
major things which influence say, human life is what we
call religion. And so you ask any little eight year
old where is God, He'll point straight up, God's out there. Well,
if he's out there, that means he's not from Toledo, Ohio.
He's out there. And if he's out there, that means
he's extraterrestrial. And that's when we get into something really interesting. Now,

(01:24:21):
what do extraterrestrials have to do with the massive stupidity
and chaos in the human world today? Are we being
manipulated by extraterrestrials? Well, don't think that's funny. Because Christianity, Judaism,
and Islam all recognized as Hindus, and all the rest

(01:24:43):
of the ancient religions of the world. They recognize the
presence on the earth for thousands of years of angels, spirits, demons, ghosts,
poulterageist jins. I don't care what you call them. But
there are other entities, other intelligent entities here, spirits and
demons and devils or angels, sons of God, the watchers.

(01:25:06):
There's all kinds of words for what's over there on
the other side, in the spirit world. But whatever it is,
it's real as above so below it's real. There are
spirit entities on the other side, there's no doubt about that.
And there are spiritual metaphysical things which men cannot explain

(01:25:29):
that's happening every day around us that we don't see
or we're scared to talk about it. Everybody I talked
to usually tells me, yeah, I've had some experiences with
UFOs and saw this and saw that, And I saw
a demon in my bedroom one night, and I saw
this and that. Most people have, but nobody's talking about

(01:25:49):
it publicly. I think it's about time we start talking
publicly about the demonic depravity of alien life forms. Whether
they be angels or are actual aliens from other worlds,
we don't know, but whatever it is, they're here, and
they're causing us a heartache and tragedy by putting us
against each other, watching and there. You know, any time

(01:26:12):
you have a fight in Las Vegas, if you have
a big heavyweight championship fight, you've got to have a
fight promoter. You got to have somebody who puts it
together and gets it all lined up. They're called fight promoters.
And so who is it that's the fight promoter on
the earth, Because God knows, we got a lot of
fighting going around. Somebody is promoting this. Somebody's promoting the

(01:26:38):
wars and fighting on the earth. And I would hasten
to think it might be the bankers who make a
hell of a lot of money off of wars. Wars
are good business. You need to invest your son, So
wars a business. A lot of billions of dollars a
week are spent on wars. So today that's what we

(01:26:59):
have in the world today, you know, wars and bloodshed
and violence. And where's Christianity, Judaism or Islam. They're right
right in the vel. So that what you've got for
the world of religion, you better wake up and find out.
The religions of this world are nothing more than the

(01:27:20):
old ancient worship of the gods. You know, we talked
about in the ancient world that the gods were the
primal gods required a human sacrifice, and you have to
cut their heads off, like the as texts in the Mayas,
you have to pull out their heart, you know. So
the as text with the Mayas will cut a man's

(01:27:41):
heart out and hold it up to the sun. So
what they're doing is they're giving gods their heart. They're
putting their giving their heart to God. Well, of course
the as text didn't do that. They gave somebody else's
heart to God. They cut their heart out and handed
up to God. So they're giving you giving God your heart. Well,
Christians say that today, oh, I just gave my heart

(01:28:02):
to the Lord. Having no idea in the world, all
of this stuff goes back to the ancient Phoenician Canaanite
child sacrifice, blood rituals, you know, and you know, it's
just incredible what the what the Church has done to
this world, what religions have done to this world. And
that's a whole story. Once you get into the specific

(01:28:23):
stories within each major religion, that's a real interesting study.
Where Moses actually came from and where you know, King
Solomon and King David and all those people never existed,
and where did those words come from? And in the
in the ancient world, there was no Matthew, Mark, Luke,

(01:28:45):
and John. Those are those are relatively recent English names. Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John has to do with the four seasons, spring, summer, autumn, winter. Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John has to do with the worship of God's Son.
The God's Son is the light of the world. Well,
of course, the sun is the light of the world,

(01:29:05):
and so it has four seasons. Well that does in Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John springs some of autumn winter. It has twelve apostles, no,
twelve signs of the zodiac right, and twelve months of
the year. All of this is well known to a
handful of highly educated people in universities, but the people
on the street have never been told. And that's why

(01:29:26):
it sounds so absolutely ludicrous when most people hear this,
because they've never heard it before, that there is no Jesus,
There is no There is no Jesus. There was no
King David, no King Solomon. There was no Abraham, Isaac
or Jacob. None of that there is. It's the triumph
God system. All of your religions, both Christianity, Judaism, and

(01:29:50):
Islam are all based on ancient astrological terms symbols from
the astrology. Well, that would makes sense because that's where
God is out there in the heavens. So I'm just
saying that until and unless the human race is ready
to wake up and find out that our governmental systems,

(01:30:11):
our banking systems, insurance and educational and law enforcement systems,
our theological systems are all based on dark, evil, dirty
stuff that's been matriculated down through history for thousands of years,
and we're still wallering in the same old stupidity and

(01:30:32):
killing each other. Over all these faults and miserable gods.
Allah is nothing more than yahwah yawah and Hebrew is
Allah and Arabic Allah yahwah, same thing. They're both moon gods.
Moses was a leader of a moon cult. Moses is
a name for a god in the Egypt that led

(01:30:56):
in Egypt a moon cult, a ludark. And that's why
that is overwhelming once you start getting into Moses and
who was Moses. There was no Moses. Moses was a
god of the moon. And that's why today Jews celebrate
their Holy days after sundown. After sundown why because that's

(01:31:20):
when the moon comes out. So Jews are not going
to celebrate their Holy Days during the day. No, those
are sun worshipers. So those people who worship God's sun
the light of the world. Yeah, well, the sun is
the lay of the world. And so those people who
worship the sun were called Christians, so they had their

(01:31:40):
celebrations under the sun. But the Jews, no, they were
moon worshippers. So they have their Holy days after sun
down and that's when the moon comes out and they
have their holy days what we call the Sabbath. Remember
all of that stuff about keeping the holy day of

(01:32:01):
the Sabbath, keep it holy. Sabbath comes from a word
in this Sumerian Babylonian system. If you know that the culture,
all you need to do is look up the word Sabbath,
and it comes from the word for the planet Saturn. Saturn,
the planet with the start with the rings. He was
called Lord of the Rings. All that's true. They were

(01:32:23):
still making movies about Lord of the Rings. But Saturn
was the lord of the rings. And Saturn in the
Phoenician Canaanite was called Shabbath s h abb a th
h Shabbath. Schabat was Saturn, and so your worship of
Shabbath they called it Sabbath. So when you think you're

(01:32:43):
doing something holy and righteous by keeping the Sabbath, you're
worshiping an old ancient Babylonian Sumerian god, Saturn. Wake up.
And that's why your your religions are filled with bloodshed, violence, ignorance, fusion, stupidity,
because you have being led by the nose of worship

(01:33:05):
an all ancient Phoenician Canaanite god calls Saturn Lord of
the Rings.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Well right, and once again, just to explain synergy. And
this is something because I did take some time to
study many different cults historically as best I could, practices
which still are pervaded today. Here's an interesting thought. Notice

(01:33:32):
that the number three, the triangulation these types of things
are often utilized in the invocation of all sorts of
what they now call curses. And it seems to me
as though the fact that things are broken into three,
and things are broken into three, all of this leads

(01:33:54):
back to some very dark religions, most of the records
of which are now absent, okay, but they still resonate throughout.
And notice the number three continuously comes up. Everything seems
to have the number three. All of these repetitions, repetitions,
and listen, anybody even has a very basic Hollywood understanding

(01:34:16):
of what they might describe as black magic, knows that
someone chance repeats, continues to through repetition, to state something
over and over again, and then it comes to fruition.
It seems to me as though all of these things
which are arranged in the triangles that are arranged by

(01:34:37):
threes are all in and of themselves, in fact, the
curses which we're dealing with. And still at this point
in time, nobody can identify where the curses originated. Nobody
is aware of what seems to be a grand manipulation.
I mean, listen. If you think about a marionette at all,

(01:34:59):
and you imagine and the puppet strings coming down and
manipulating the movements of the world, then you must want
to know where the hands truly are. Now. Saturn is
the representation of something, and so are all the planets
and the understandings of them, and so on and so forth.
That's why they're named that. By the way, once again,

(01:35:20):
they're named for each of these things. And I find
again all of these things seem to interlock, come together
and bring one mosaic that states unequivocably that the entire
planet has been cursed. But I always question where it
actually comes from. The people on the planet are continuing

(01:35:44):
the cycle, are propping it up, and are making it happen,
whether they realize it or not. They're making sure that
it's being repeated. But they're not the authors, are they? No,
not at all, not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
I've said before, I think that the whole world the
way I view it, you know, it's just my view.
But I'm seventy five years old. I've been around the world,
and I just viewed the whole world is like a
kindergarten that's being run by Hell's angels. The whole world
is lying in the power of the wicked ones. The

(01:36:17):
scripture says the whole entire It doesn't say the whole
world except Alabama. No, the whole world period. The whole
earth is lying in the power of a demonic depravity, stupidity,
which is given birth to chaos, violence, alcoholism, drug addiction, violence,

(01:36:39):
gang wars, killings, racism. That's the whole world is lying
in the power of some kind of a dark, sinister
and evil force. You've got to wonder, why is the
heart of a human on its left side? What is
that all about. That's called the solar plexus on your
left side of your chest, and that's where the heart is.

(01:37:00):
Why is it on the left? Well, in Latin, the
word left is sinister, so the heart is very sinister. Well,
it's on the left of the heart, on the on
the chest. I'm just telling you that the people on
the face of the earth have never heard anything dealing

(01:37:20):
with the real, dark, occult world and how it works,
and what the words mean, and where did we get
churches And we talk about something in the Book of Revelation,
God of make God. Well, that's what Jews meet. They
meet in the Sinner God. Somebody needs to look at
these words and find out what's really going on, and

(01:37:41):
then for the first time you will begin to see, Oh,
I see what's going on. We are crawling on our
knees to ancient pagan demonic depravity. Gods were the gods
of human human evolution, human disease, these human religions, all

(01:38:03):
kinds of human stupidity and wars. It's an extraordinary case
of the human race being totally misled, and all they
think we can do about it is kill each other.
So as as I'm concerned, No, somebody needs to look
at Allah and what this Allah really is and see

(01:38:23):
the connection between Allah and Yahwah of the Hebrews, and
see what that really is. And then you will begin
to get into finance and banking, and then from there
you get into government, and all of a sudden you
begin to see the entire world of mankind has been
misled a long time ago, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Absolutely, And you know what, we're running lower on time
than I really wish we were at this point, mister Maxwell,
and I'm going to ask, and of course we've only
scratched the surface of what your and Maxwell, you know
talks about the things that I reference. I mean, anybody
who listens to my show knows I reference a lot

(01:39:08):
of this stuff. And honestly, it's not as though I
picked it up from from you directly, but a lot
of the same observations that you're making just seem like
you know, no brainers. To me, it's it's you know,
water is wet. Okay, it's by observation, you see it,
Therefore it is. I mean, it's just one of those

(01:39:28):
things that happens. But before we run out of time,
I mean, we have definitely denoted to the listener exactly
how diseased the planet is. And if you think about
how contaminated every single system is based on all of
these different things, and you can see it in the symbols,
you can see it in the actions, you can see
it in the what I call the worship of death,

(01:39:50):
which is the true religion on this planet. Right now, Okay,
I wonder is there a chance in your mind for
all of us being in this sickly, very evil driven state.
Is there a chance for redemption.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
For individuals, not for the country, not for and not
for the country. No, there's never been a redemption for
a nation of people. No, not at all. It's only
for individuals. Look at Uh, all of this goes back
to the stars. I mean, I take it all the
way back to astro theology. The ancient, most ancient science

(01:40:31):
the world has ever known, was called astro theology. That's
where the real truth is. That's where a legitimate bedrock
down home, legitimate truth that people need to if you're
gonna worship something. The very word worship comes from the
combining of two words, the very first word worth w

(01:40:53):
O r t h worth the value of something it's
worth and ship. Put it together with ship, citizenship and
courtship and scholarship and all the other ships. That's maritime,
averathry law, all kinds of ships. But worthship becomes worship.
And so you're saying, whatever it is you're spending a

(01:41:15):
lot of time on and looking at and devoting a
lot of energy to, is what you worthship. You're putting
a lot of value and worth on it. I put
a lot of value on worth on education, knowledge, intellectual acumen,
being able to read and think and spell, And like
any other human, I make all kinds of mistakes because

(01:41:36):
I always say I'm just an ordinary man. Pursuing an
extraordinary knowledge, and so therefore I'm in no position to
be an authority on anything. But I'm smart enough to
be able to read, and I can tell what I'm
looking at, and so I understand where all of this
stuff has come from. There's a whole world out there.

(01:41:57):
I wish I could remember all the things I want
to talk about, because there's so much out there, so
much to talk about, and things come to my mind
when you're talking, but then they've gone just as quickly.
So there's so many different things we need to know.
And the bottom line on all of this, I would say,
is the biggest single problem we have on the Earth today.

(01:42:19):
And God knows, we can sit and talk about one
hundred of them, and all of them are deadly from
wars and drugs and killing and stupidity and everything else.
But I think the single biggest problem the Earth has
today is human stupidity and ignorance. We're ignorant because we
don't read, we don't think, we don't question, we don't

(01:42:41):
want to know. That's a very big word, want to know.
And people look at you walk into you go into
somebody's bedroom at night, slip in quietly and they're sound
asleep and you slip into their bedroom and you turn
on a six hundred watt bulb right next to them
when they're sleeping. Of course it's going to scare them

(01:43:03):
to death. They're going to jump and you know, out
of their sound sleep. And then when they find out
what happened, they're not gonna think it's very funny. It's
not going to be humorous and funny that you invaded
their bedroom and turned on the light and frightened them
with that bright light. And so that's why people who

(01:43:24):
are intellectually brilliant are trying to explain something and enlighten you.
And if you've been in the in sleep, asleep for
all these years, sound asleep, ignorant, ill informed, unread, don't
know what's going on, and somebody who is intellectually and
spiritually enlightened or brilliant, that's the word we use in

(01:43:46):
relation to light, comes in to enlighten you, and you
don't want to hear it. That's why the scripture says
that Pontia's pilot brought to h brought to the people.
There's a scripture in the Bible and the New Testament
talked about Jesus and Barabbas, and the and the I
can't remember the governor of Judea, but anyway, the leader

(01:44:10):
of the people in the city, the Bible says, brought
two uh two criminals out uh and that and to
present them to the people. And and and the governor
said to the people and said. Everybody in town was there,
and they said that the that the governor said to
the people, here's two prisoners. One is Barabbas, who everybody

(01:44:35):
knows is the murdering thug criminal. Everybody knows that. And
then there's on the other side, we have Jesus, the
Truth and the Light, who's teaching people the truth and
the light. Which one do you want? I can release
one to you. And the scripture says with one voice.
There was a discussion, no one voice. Everyone said give

(01:44:56):
us Barabbas, which is a symbol, story, a metaphor telling
you that when the town, the city, the state, the country,
or the world, when the groups of people are confronting
the truth in the light or a criminal, they will
always say, give us Barrebas, give us the lying cheat, thugs, criminals.

(01:45:23):
We know that they're thugs and criminals. We know that's
how they got to be where they are by being filthy, degenerate,
murdering criminals, and they get to be a doggy dog world.
They're on the top. So that's what we want. We
want to vote for them because they're like us. They
have no morals, no, nothing concerns them about killing people.

(01:45:45):
We don't either, and so we want give us barrebas.
We don't want Jesus with the truth and the light.
We're not interested in truth in the light. Talking about
money now is business? That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
And you know what, before we run out of time,
I'm going to say this, It is true that that
is precisely what people ask for. When you wonder and
you look around the world, why the corporations behave as
they do. They poison us, the governments torture people, destroy things,
go to war, and absolutely abuse the populations. It is

(01:46:19):
generally because that is what the people have asked for,
not necessarily with the one voice that you were talking about,
but truthfully with their actions. Much like you were talking
about earlier, you'll know the tree by the fruit it bears. Well,
the fruit that you bear is the leadership. You wind
up with the individuals that rise to the top. This

(01:46:40):
is what happens. And you know you said you missed
a whole bunch of things you could have said tonight.
Well that's okay, because you're gonna have plenty of opportunities
to do it on American Freedom Radio. On Saturdays, ten
pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific, the Jordan Maxwell Show will
air on American Freedom and you'll have plenty of opportunities

(01:47:03):
to discuss all of these things at length without somebody
like me interrupting you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I'm delighted to be on with you, and it's a
real privilege. I very much appreciate you having me on.
And yeah, I'm doing my own show on American Freedom
Radio Network, and I've got so many things that i
want to talk about. And I feel that seventy five
years old, I don't have much more time on this earth,
and there's so many things I wish I could tell

(01:47:32):
the public. I wish I could tell people that I
know and I've been I'm not special, there's nothing special
about me. But I've been in the company for many,
many years. I've been in the company of extraordinary people
that you have no idea in the world that I know,
and I've heard extraordinary brilliant stuff from people who know
on the inside. And that's all I want to do

(01:47:54):
is I'd like to be able to share knowledge that
I know the world is looking for. People are growing
in the dark, picking up on any kind of silly,
nonsensical religion, TV preachers and TV and politicians who are
going to save the world. Then you find out nothing
but a bunch of communists and Marxist leanliness. There a

(01:48:15):
bunch of Nazis fascists. By God, the world is in
terrible shape. And the only reason why is because the people,
as I said, are ignorant and ill informed. Knowledge is power,
and that's why Americans have no power, because they have
no knowledge of what's really going on, what the real

(01:48:35):
story is. That's when you find out, you're gonna wish
you didn't, No, believe me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
That's it. You know, be careful what you wish for,
they tell you all the time, because you just might
get it. And I want to thank you mister Maxwell
for joining us tonight. Of course, for more information on
Jordan Maxwell, you go to Jordan Maxwell's show dot com
Jordan Maxwell Show dot com. That is the proper website.

(01:49:03):
Any other site, any other you know don't accept any
other liscinations, imitations, no exceptions, substitutions, et cetera, et cetera.
And Jordan Maxwell is certainly one of a kind. And
I want to thank you so much for having come
on tonight and done this with me for two hours.
I know it's, you know, a little bit odd, because
like I said before, I don't script, I don't prepare

(01:49:26):
with the guest because it's just one of those things.
I like the spontaneous discussion and I really thoroughly enjoyed
this as well, sir, and I want to give you
the final word tonight on the Ocelli Effect here on
American Freedom Radio. But don't forget guys. On Saturday, seven
pm Pacific, ten pm Eastern, Okay, and check your time

(01:49:47):
zones wherever you are, the Jordan Maxwell Show will be
on American Freedom Radio. But mister Maxwell, the final word
from you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yes, I would just say to all the people who
have been my supporters and people who have wanted to
know and who are interested to contact me, who have
been contacting me and sending buying products and books and
videos from my old website Jordanmaxwell dot com, I want
everyone to know that's not my website. It has stolen

(01:50:18):
from me, So stay away from Jordanmaxwell dot com. If
you want my material and talk to me, go to
Jordan Maxwell's show. I have a lot of material on
my website. And also I have a new research website
on the Jordan Maxwell Show and it's called Research Society.
So click on Research Society and join if you wish,

(01:50:40):
because I'm piling all of my work and all my
documents and pictures and everything on my new Jordan Maxwell
Research Society website.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Right Jordanmaxwellshow dot com. For the Research Society, click on it,
Go to it, learn understand. Remember, like you said, knowledge
is power. And I want to thank you guys for listening.
Have a good night. What news and information you can trust.

(01:51:12):
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