The Jack Blood Show 360 5-5-2022 Carol Lieberman - Greg Palast Re-release 110925 - The Ochelli Effect

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sorry a mad problem are wasted? Why God, he's mad?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I say, welcome, my fellow thought criminals, enemies of the state,
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(00:34):
for you today.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It is if you didn't know because we missed you
last week, my vita loca. That's my excuse. I sent
that in.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I got permission from El Chucko five five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
It is uh Cinco de mayo, paison amigos. Great show
for you today. In the first hour, somebody.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I've I've done a bunch interviews with who's at the
center right If you watched anything I know, I'm gonna
do this to you, a little entertainment news, but we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Go from there.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We'll unravel the whole thing because I know, like me,
you're a little bit hooked on the Johnny depp amber
turd trial.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Did I just let my bias leak?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I can't stop myself, I can't look away. It is
the worst car accident reality show, well, maybe the best
reality show.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
In the worst car accident you just.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Can't stop paying attention to. And it's consumed all the media.
So I have psychiatrists and media expert doctor Carol Lieberman
joining us in about twenty some minutes here at the
bottom of the hour. In the first hour, and we'll
get into some of that. I know you guys are like,
I don't want to hear any entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes you do. No, you can't look away either.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
In fact, if you're gonna listen to this later, it's
probably because you're watching the trial live as we speak.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Also on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Today, my old buddy Greg Pallace joins us. He's an
investigative reporter and, like doctor Lieberman, a best selling author
multiple times over. He will join us live from his
bunker in Los Angeles in the second hour of the broadcast. Today,
Man and speaking of victim parades, speaking of theater of Matts,

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I guess we'll just do the news for the first hour.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I always have this huge.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Amount of news. I remember back in the old days,
we would print it out.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's like the.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Commercial for the insurance company. You know, how not to
be your dad. You don't have to print the internet. Well,
that's what we used. We used to do that. It
was an absurd waste of paper. I think somewhere the
fat man in Texas is still doing that because you know,
I mean, you gotta have the paper and a shuffler around.
It makes it look, makes it more dramatic. Here here's

(03:03):
my paper. Here's all of documents I have. Can you
hear them?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
All?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Right? Probably not that I subscribe to Quiet Paper. That's
something I'm into.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I guess we got to start right off with
the whole abortion politics.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I hate doing this. I don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't want to take aside this is the new
thing that you're only allowed to talk about a certain
way of course as a avowed heterodox.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
And I'm gonna get docks for this. I have to
weigh in on.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
It because the hysteria is massive. I used to call
this vomit politics. And that's not to make light of
a women's right to choose how she deals with her
own body. This is gonna make some of you mad.
I'm one hundred percent for it. I think we should
all have a right to choose what we do with

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the key piece of property. Remember that our constitution is
life liberty and property and by the way, the pursuit
of happiness. What a joke that kind of is. But
if you're born rich, I'm sure you believe that. And
let's face it, the guys that wrote the Constitution were
a little bit rich and privileged.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I'm not going there.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
And that's kind of where I need to start with
the Supreme Court Rowe versus Wade, and how the states
are dealing with abortion. But let's remember that this is
vomit politics. Gun rights and that's an actual second Amendment
that's actually in the Bill of Rights, but that can
be used for vomit politics as well. This is a

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vomit politic. Is the thing that distracts you from and
you fight, and you divide, and they conquer versus you know,
all the stuff that's.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Very very very very very very very very.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Very mucho important in your everyday lives. That's why we're here,
that's why I came back, that's why we're doing this
radio show today and any day. Man, we got to
cut through this. We cannot let them derail us and
distract us from the things that are very important to
our families. I assume because I think I appealed to

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the working class more than the elite class. And if
you were one of the elites, please stay with us
and you can help us. I know some of these people,
and Johnny Depp is one of those people. We'll get
to that in about twenty minutes on the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So what is going on?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
So, first of all, a bunch of states with Republican
governors and Republican legislatures started monkeying around with your right
to have a late abortion, okay, and that was completely
misrepresented and politiced to the extreme, But it wasn't enough
because I don't think people were biting on that. So

(05:54):
recently some document was allegedly and I've never seen a
document leak like this from the Supreme Court, so I
have to be very wary, and I got to think
it's a little bit fishy that that even happened to
begin with. We're gonna wait and see what happens there.
But that's a whole other issue. So at first, what
was happening was as a matter of red politic and

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it's all politics. The Republicans and Republican states were doing
two things. One, they were getting rid of COVID mandates. Yay,
I'm sorry, you disagree with me on that, but that's
hurt people immeasurably, put people in a lot of debt
and killed people, and it's still killing people today. They
say that COVID is back. I mean, who knows where

(06:39):
we're gonna go with this? So, I mean already mask
mandates are starting to come back just after we got
rid of them. It reminds you of how they pull
the rug out of us, underneath us the first time.
Oh it's over, COVID is over. Go back and watch
a band and go out and enjoy your life again,
and get a job again. You can have your job
back now, maybe to on who you worked for. It

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didn't work out for me, didn't work out for my girl.
We lost our jobs through COVID. That's a whole nother story.
But but what were those state mandates saying? What were
the laws that were being passed saying as opposed to
what you heard and what you're allowed to talk about.
So this is kind of a sticking point for me.

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I one hundred percent pro choice again, pro choice for
the needles, pro choice for you.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Know what you want to do with your body.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
If you're a woman, I'd like to see men have
a little more you know, decision and be able to
choose in that, but they can take precautions if they
don't want to go into that realm. This has probably
happened to a lot of you, and know what's happened.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
To me, and it's heartbreaking. I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
At the same time, we've got a lot of other
things going on. One of them is massive overpopulation of
the earth. And when I say that, I know it's
going to trigger some of you. Well, he's now, Jack's
a depopulation guy. No, it's not sustainable, and it just isn't.
And the more people, as Elvis Huckley said in Brave
New World Too, the more revisited. Thank you, you better

(08:08):
read it. It's only about sixty seventy pages. Very important
to read because the more people there are, the more
draconian police and laws you have to have to control
these masses amounts of people who are mounting against the
committee of thirteen or three hundred, depending on how you count.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, both of those things are real. Believe me on that.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So what were these state bills saying? Well, without exception
or with exception, there are exceptions. The health of the mother.
There's a lot of exceptions into this. You being rich,
because that's what it's about. If you're a rich girl
or a rich dude, whatever, your parents are rich and connected,
you're getting any abortion you want at any time. And

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that's how it's always been long before Roe versus Wait, and.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
We'll get to that in a minute, because that's not
the important part.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
The important part is how the states are parsing this
out and what the law actually says, and it says
that unless you have an exception, you can't get an a.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I can't believe I'm doing what are we anno? Ten
minutes in?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I you know, but I have to do it. Let's
help you, guys if we can, and help me if
you can. Let's help each other. It says you can't
get an abortion after four months. That's the week's work
out to that. So literally, you're in your second trimester,
the baby sucking its thumb, it's a full it's it's
a human at that point. We're not arguing about religion

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right now, are we. No.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
What we're doing is we're.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Talking about a human being inside of you that you
waited way too long to make that decision. So I
just want to put it to you like this, all
the people listening to this show right now, whoever you are,
if you are pro choice as I am, do you
want to see abortions at five months, at six months,

(09:59):
seven months, eight nine months? Like, where's the cutoff point?
I think you need to figure that out. I think
you need to. I'm not gonna tell you to go
out in protest or take a stand on it, but
I think, within your own self, right with your own philosophy,
and I guess you know your own take on life.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Period, that's too late. There are times that that can happen.
And I think, and I know a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Of people are very pro choice as well, and it's like,
that's too late. Does a rational person believe that that's
the time to abort the baby?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
It's too late? Now.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
The argument, and I've heard this argument, is well, sometimes
you don't know you're pregnant until four or five months.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
And then it's too late. Well, that's kind of your problem.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, you know you'll get an exception, you'll go
to another state.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
That's why we have a tenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's why we've been have a lot less revolutions than
say Rome or whatever, because you can own always go
to another state, and if you're rich, obviously you'll fly
in your jet there or they'll fly the doctor into
you and that will be that. But the outrage and
the stf unus.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's a shut the fuck upness.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Of the people that have bought into and only live
in a bubble on this establishment. Left wing media are
going absolutely nuts on it, and I just want to
ask each and every one of them. And I know
they'll punch me in the face and call me a fascist.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
You shut up fascist. You're not allowed to say that.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
But I just want to ask them, like, look at
the picture of the baby at four months, like you can't, Like,
you gotta make that decision earlier on. You've got to
practice either abstinence, I guess if you want, or birth
control or whatever it is you do.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's too late to make that decision. Now.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
There's an interesting thing that permeates this discussion, and that
is and I know I'm gonna get in trouble for
this too. This is more stf unics. The vaccine has
caused a fourth thout. We talked about this two weeks
ago on the show. A four thousand percent increase according
to you know, I think major sources like the CDC

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and others they've released these, but no, no one's talking
about it on the news in miscarriages.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
What's that about.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So now there was this leak document from the Supreme Court,
which again I don't believe I've ever seen in my
lifetime that they're going to overturn Roe versus Way. One
thing to know about that before Debbie Row I think
she died here not too long ago, but before that
she was against it.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, the very person that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
This is named for in her honor is against it.
It is a federal protection which I wouldn't mind seeing
stay aboard, and I'm gonna I'm very skeptical that that
will be overturned. But yay, it's something to completely consume
all the oxygen in the left wing media and that's

(13:13):
all you can hear about, which is why I'm starting
to show off with it today.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
But this is what you have to understand.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And if it does go down and it does become
a major social remember this is an issue that would
affect a woman personally, and I get that. Believe me,
I'm completely sympathetic with all of that. But it's a
social issue that is behind I don't know healthcare for
poor people. What's going on here in my city and

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in my state with regressive politics, regressive laws which make
it almost impossible to live. That means go rent a place,
go buy food, just go it work, just do the
very basics in life.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Pollution, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Talking about the green the phony green agenda, the real
green agenda, which, of course you know, if you're corporate enough,
you don't need to bother with. I'll talk to Greg
about that in the second hour of the show today
because he knows where.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
The bodies are buried.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
There are some how we are proceeding into new generations
that will have to be responsible for going forward. These
are the important issues, not I'm sorry, I know this
is going to offend people. You can get you'll get
an abortion if you want one, Please don't. Please try

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not to get to that point. Please be responsible, and
please educate. Let's educate people on how not to get
to that point, and if they do, then that's how
it goes. Because there are people that there are some
people I can't stand, and some of those people are
the and I know you guys have a religious conviction

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and you're crazy as molasses.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
But hey man, please don't go.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Attack women at a planned parenthood facility and make them
feel guilty about what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's just sick and wrong. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
There's other ways you can do it, but you are
now participating in vomit politics.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Let's not do that.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
But the point I want to make before I leave
this topic because it's just too much and I gotta
move on. I don't even like talking about it. Quite frankly,
I've asked the questions. I think that the money question
is at what point is it not okay to get
an abortion? But you know, and and rationally, speaking with
common sense, I mean, let's we don't even have to

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make it illegal.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
And that's maybe wrong right there, but.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Let's, you know, let's make it to something educational and social.
But what I find interesting is that whenever the Democrats
are in control, they're supposed to be anti war, we
have wars. Whenever the Democrats are in control, we lose
personal and social rights. These whatever the Democrats say they

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for therefore, are the things we lose. That works. With
the Republicans, they say they're pro gun, all the pro
gun laws that I've ever seen come from Republicans. You
see how they work it, because if a Republican administration
sat above all of this that we've been talking about

(16:38):
now unfortunately for the last fifteen twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
The attacks.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Would be absolutely absurd. As I'm saying this, let me
just Shift I was watching. Speaking of Shift, we'll get
to Shifty in a minute here, just watching Ran Paul.
That's Ron Paul's son, who have done many events with
and no personally testifying about. This is the new thing
thanks to Elon Musk, and that's something we'll get to

(17:06):
here pretty soon with our second, our first guest, because
that plays into the the whole Johnny Depp trial thing.
Ran Paul speaking out against the new policy. This is
a new arm of the government. Welcome, thank you for

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doing this. They are the the Information Ministry of Information,
I guess as that how George Orwell put it like,
they've been doing this and using tech and you know
they scratch each other's back or butts or whatever. They
scratch it on each other. There is a new disinformation

(17:48):
board at your government, at Homeland Security, which I want
you to remember we were wholly and completely against. And
this goes back to what I was just saying a
second ago. The the Republicans, Republicrats, they don't want a
big government, yet they invented homeland security, which is a massive,
bloaded nineteen eighty four style, brave New World kleptocracy. I

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love when Biden was trying to say that the other day.
And of course here I go again with the non sequiturs.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
But I mean, I guess we don't.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
The kids today haven't read nineteen eighty four. They don't
know what news speak is so much so it was
watching one of the shows cover this and they were
mentioning nineteen eighty four and they didn't even know that
it was news speak. They didn't know that word. They
I can't remember something else speak, they said, But I mean,
we need to know that it's this isn't everything we're

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talking about on this show, and everything we will talk
about on the show is.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Really what it is.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It's new speak, and it is state intervention on what
you're allowed to say or think or participate in today.
Was it Chucky Schumer, No, it was Joe Biden. Poor
elderly abused Joe Biden pushed out to talk about how

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MAGA are basically all terrorists, and I don't know, maybe
some of them are.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
They have a Ministry of Disinformation. I mean, could they
be more plain if they have called it the Ministry
of Information? I guess it would have been a little
bit too Orwellian. But they call it the Ministry of
Disinformation because how they're going to correct you and what
they're going to be, uh, I guess clamping down on

(19:47):
how you say things and what you say is they're
going to be pushing disinformation. They want disinformation to rule
the day, and that's that. And I think most of you,
I mean, if you're listening to the show, I assume
I'm somewhat preaching to the choir. Are they telling you
exactly what they're doing. It's the Ministry of Disinformation.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Allegedly out to solve the world problem of too much
information going out, too much disinformation. That's the problem we have.
That's why we're in just isn't that true? Now? You
better agree with this or we'll have to come to
your house and question you and look at your papers.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Is that the biggest problem in the world. Now, we've
just tackled two of them. One is a vomit, politics, abortion,
and the other is information disinformation and sorry, the information
war Hey listen, I fight for information peace. That's really
what we try to do here. I don't want any
part of information warfare. I want to be part of

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information piece. As a good friend of mine one said,
you can't fight for piece, you have to piece for peace.
Are the people going to stand up to that? Look
what it's come to. Dave Chappelle was it last night?
He was at the Hollywood Bowl, place I've been too
many times and just really lived just on top of
the mountain over there, could look out my back door
and see it decades ago, hanging out with all of

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his buddies and doing a massive, sold out and very
expensive show, at which point he mentions something about how
he's been censored in etc.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Etc.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
How the Ministry of disinformation could be sicked on him,
how he's trying to be compromised and killed. I say
that metaphorically, though, Hey, maybe they better.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Maybe that's what was up with this. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Maybe this was an assassination attempt. Maybe this was mk Ultra.
I'm not saying it was, because I have absolutely no
information of that. What I do know is that the
deranged man that ran onto the stage a giant to
tackle and potentially kill Dave Chappelle did so with zero

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security watching the two aisles that could lead to the
stage where this man can just get his wood ran
right up there, no problem. So it was a little
bit of a standdown. That's always, you know, one of
the things that ticked my brain when I'm thinking about
what could possibly be a false flag, and I know
I don't want to be conspiratorial. Let's just like keep

(22:29):
it the way the news is allowing us to say it.
Dave Chappelle was tackled by a deranged man. He was
some kind of a rapper and publicity seeker. So either
you know that guy was put in a room and
given all kinds of drugs and then being told and

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given suggestions to do something like that to take out
Dave Chappelle, which would have been a great story to
cover up all the other stories, and then we'd be
talking about that now for weeks. It was an assassination
attempt potentially on one of the most popular public speakers.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Not just now but of our time.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Or he was brainwashed through the TV, through the media,
and through social media that if I want to be
popular and people will love me, I'll just go get
Dave Chappelle. He had a gun, which wasn't a real gun,
but it was a knife.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Gotta get one of those.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And he ran backstage and Dave's friends, including the other Fox,
not Red Fox, but Jamie Fox in.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
A cowboy hat. As they say, I got a good
story about Jamie Fox. I gotta tell someday.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But and a bunch of other celebrities boot stumped this guy.
Boot broke his arm, collapsed his face. There was a
second head out of one of his heads. He looked
like this happened to me. So that's how I know
his orbital bone was broken. I mean, his nose is broken.

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That's what's gonna happen. I guess, you know. And I
in some ways I kind of like that almost vigilante. Yeah,
we don't need secure. I mean I'm playing the Hollywood
Bowl at a huge event, a star set of event.
I should have some security. I hope this is a

(24:22):
message to Dave Chappelle that like JFK or RFK or
MLK Malcolm X, you know you're especially if you're a
HEATERO dox and you know that means you don't believe
in Orthodox or the opposite of Orthodox, and you're out
there saying some things that are very thought provoking. Joe Rogan,

(24:46):
I don't like to name people because there's so many
and they fall on both sides of the political spectrum,
or all sides or none at all. But this might
be kind of a lesson for Dave Chappelle to have
a lot more security. But they have handled it, They
completely handled it, and it was kind of funny and entertaining.
I guess it because fake are real is the whole

(25:10):
issue mental illness and how is mental illness created? I mean,
do we find out that this guy who tried to
attack Dave Chappelle the other night last night, I guess
is on SSRIs as serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Is that what
we're gonna find out because that's usually the case. And
having work security myself for years and years and years
and decades right in some of the worst neighborhoods ever,

(25:34):
I could tell.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You that is an issue.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's the new I guess policy is instead of helping people,
you come in and it's very cheap to give them
some drugs. Some SSRI's hope that they keep taking them
and don't go completely nuts and just turn them back
out on the street for people like me to deal with.

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Is this part of celebrity culture? You just you're gonna
be famous, This will make you famous. Will that guy's
famous and he's he's fed up, completely effed up? But
who are the fascists?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Then?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
If this is all real and the guy's cognizant and
he's just part of the antifa.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Pete crowd or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
If he's really serious about his politics and transgenderism and
all the rest of it. And keeping in mind that,
you know, the allegations against Dave Chappelle, who's doing jokes right,
he's not a politician, are completely false.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
But let's you know, for whatever reason, who are the
real fascist?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I guess I'll know because after this half hour, I'm
probably going to get a whole bunch of mail, all
the news I didn't get to. We'll try to handle it.
There's a new press secretary today from MSNBC, Karine Jean Pierre.
She is an African American woman. She'll be taking over
for Jensaki. Karem Jean Pierre issues from MSNBC. As I mentioned,

(27:02):
new pres secretary for Joe Biden. Jen Saki, the last
pres secretary taking the other revolving door at MSNBC. I'm
sure that that's probably.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Driving you a little bit crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
And then a representative, Madison Cawthorn, is back in the news.
This is the guy that came out and said that
the Republicans were trying to recruit him into these weird,
sick orgies that are reminiscent of the Franklin cover up
during the Reagan administration. Caught it a gun with an airport.
He is, by the way, a congressman. About two weeks

(27:38):
ago leaked photos. Somebody did some op research on him.
They found nude photos. Those are going around the internet.
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Oh yeah, well that is a thing that happens just
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Speaker 2 (29:56):
Your radio gun is always Jackblood right here on the
Achilli Network. Rethor's Day. Please tell your friends about it.
So I've been completely hooked, and I'll admit a little
bit is slightly addicted, not because it's a celebrity trial,
but because the cultural implications of it and some of
it just really hits home. Can we be ourselves and

(30:21):
can we be ourselves without being in core? And of
course I'm talking about the Johnny Depp amber Heard versus
Amber Heard defamation, defecation.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Trial and defamation trial. That's it. Doctor Carol Lieberman is
with me.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
She served as a forensic psychiatrist and expert witness in
hundreds of civil and criminal cases nationwide, including domestic violence cases.
We've seen some of those witnesses in this trial today.
I want to ask you about that. She's a media
commentator on Crimes and Trials. She writes a column entitled
Inside the Criminal Mind that is front Page Detectives dot com.

(30:58):
Expert witness forensic Psychiatrist dot com doctor Carol Lieberman joins us,
and you're also, I know, a best selling author as well.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's great to have you because I've just been watching
you dude commentary all over the place and they asked
me if you could come on the show, and I'm
absolutely one hundred percent for it because I know you
are the real expert.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Where do we start with this?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Can we can we start with the not celebrity, but
the kind of social implications.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Why is this so popular?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Is it because it's reality TV and it's we're watching
it happen live in front of us? Or is it
because that a lot of people kind of identify with
this one way or the other.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
Well, first of all, I'll say that I am addicted
also like you at the beginning. It has taken over
me my life because yes I am commenting on it,
writing columns on it and all kinds of things. But
you know, try to even if I didn't have to
do this, which I enjoyed, but even If I wasn't
doing that, I would probably be addicted because it is

(32:05):
so fascinating to watch these people. It doesn't really matter
that they're celebrities. I mean, sure, that's why, you know,
that's why more people are paying attention to it. But
I mean just a whole domes.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Did we just lose her or did we lose me?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
No, you're still here. Okay, Well I don't think that's
a government conspiracy. That might just be la to Seattle
to the east coast try to get her back.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do you have to hang up on me to get
her back?

Speaker 8 (32:43):
Or you know what, that's what we'll do.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, yeah, play something of the new time you got.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Okay, we're back cell phone technology in the twenty first century.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You think it might be a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
But please, doctor Carroll, you know, stand in place if
you can.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I don't know you live in a PSI.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
I wasn't touching it. I have it on a box
on my desk at a good height, so I never
touch it.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, it might be me at what I said the
first half hour before you came behind. That gets me
the problem.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Uh, but you know, and I know this fits very
well with today's culture, the me too culture, and there
are a lot of people that are invested in this
trial because of the implications of me too. But you've
kind of coined a term called he too. And maybe
this is why people are so fascinated by the Johnny
depp amber Heard defamation trial.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
You know, it's not.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Something we hear about that is publicized very much, but
it is something that exists, that happens, and I like
to look at it as you know, nailing a powerful
man and then controlling him any way you can. In
this case, I think that's exactly what's going on. But
you tell me, I mean, you are the forensic psychiatrist

(34:04):
and the expert.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Well, you know, yes, I think that she I don't
think that she was, even though this is what she's
been talking about all day, how madly in love.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
With him she was.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
But I don't think that it was love primarily that
got her to go out with him and marry him.
I mean, she went through this whole thing today about
all these alleged horrible physical uh you know, abuse that
he he perpetrated on her, and then and then she

(34:37):
still married him. Now that isn't to say. I mean,
it is true that people who are in domestic violence situations.
Sometimes they do they keep hoping that the person is
going to change, and sometimes they do stay with them.
There are lots of reasons, especially for women, for why
they stay. They're you know, they're shamed, and they're they're

(34:58):
made to feel as though nobody else and all of that.
But I think that she wanted to be uh connected
with him that raised her status in Hollywood, you know,
to be on his arm, to be his girlfriend, and
of course then to be his wife. And then she jumped,
you know, as soon as that was over, she jumped

(35:18):
to Elon Musk. And there was some in between, but
Elon Musk, you know, Johnny Johnny Japp had mostly millions,
but Elon Musk has billions. So she was, you know,
making her social climbing. I really think that there were
a lot of, you know, a lot of other reasons
than love for her to be with him, and yes,

(35:40):
he too. I mean, I hope that one of the
long lasting effects of this is that people will see man,
especially will see that after he gave testified and told
the most intimate, you know, embarrassing stories about his life
from the time he was a child and his mother

(36:01):
was physically and emotionally abusive to him, to all of
the things that happened with Amber, and yet he had
the courage to talk about all this, which is why.
And that's the problem with men. There are lots and
lots of men who are in abusive relationships by women,

(36:21):
but they are ashamed to come forward because it makes
them look weak. They don't want to admit to people
that they are being abused, especially physically abused by a woman.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
That reminds me of why. And there's been some work
on this why Catholic priests, and I don't want to
single them out, because there's a lot of good priests
and there are some very very bad ones. And one
of the reasons they pick on boys isn't because they're
so much homosexual and repressed, let's add that part, but

(36:54):
because they know that the boys will be too embarrassed to.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Talk about it.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
And I think that that applies guy in this case
where women abuse men, and they can abuse men, and
men who I guess like Johnny Depp, like myself and
others who would never hit a woman, can take a
lot of abuse before something happens.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
Yes, I mean what this is really all about is
that he married his mother. His mother was abusive and
when she was he would run away and hide and
to get away from the abuse. He never, of course,
hit back at his mother. His father also was abused
by his wife, you know, Johnny Depp's mother, and he

(37:38):
never hit back either. And in fact, the father stayed
in the marriage until Johnny Depp was fifteen, and then
when he left, when the father left his mother, Johnny
Depp's mother tried to commit suicide, which is another reason
why Johnny Depp stayed in this relationship because he was

(37:59):
afraid that was going to commit suicide because she would
sometimes threaten that, but so that he would run away,
like you know, he was kind of programmed to do
from his childhood, and that triggered her because she has
a borderline personality disorder. I don't care what the other
psychologist said. She has a borderline personality of disorder, a

(38:19):
mixed borderline histrionic and narcissistic personality disorder in my opinion,
and so borderlines. Their number one symptom or trait is
that they are terrified of being abandoned. When they are abandoned,
it feels as though they cease, they feel as though
they cease to exist. And so when he would run

(38:42):
away from her abuse, that would be the trigger for
her to become more abusive because she was terrified, oh,
he's abandoning me, and she would do whatever she could.
She'd run after him in all kinds of circumstances to
get him to come back and not to leave her.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
You know, and the gas lighting involved in this, and
I want to get to that in a second, because
she seems to be kind of an expert in that,
and that is a big issue today. Let me just
say this, and I have to get this off my chest,
Doctor Carroll, doctor Carrol Lieberman with us. So she is
actually psychiatrist expert to forensic psychologist, host of Doctor Carroll's

(39:20):
Couch of Voice America dot com, The Terrorist Therapist, that podcast.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
We'll get into that in a minute.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I used to This is just a weird disclosure, but
I used to live with Courtney Love, who was married
to Kirk Cobain. I'm sure you know who those people are, okay,
And her first.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Husband was.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So she's she reminds me of amberheard so much and
I was involved in this relationship and she used to
beat the crap out of her first husband, which was
also a musician called Following James. In fact, once I
had to save her from throwing them out of third
story window in Hollywood, and this constantly happened.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
And what did she do when she was notorious for this?
I'm talking about Courtney Love.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
She traded up until she got the number one rock
star ever. And because I knew him too, they had
a very similar relationship to what I seekling on with
Johnny Depp and Amber heard. In fact, she and maybe
he liked it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Maybe I'm giving away too many secrets, but she would
beat him and that would be part of kind of
their sex routine which filtered out into their everyday life.
And he wants to keep control. She wants to change
him and turn him into her project and own him
when it gets turned around in this trial. That's what
we heard today from Amber Heard, who was dressed like

(40:40):
a librarian today, poor her talking about how you know
Johnny was the controller.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
When I think she was, yes, yes, And of course
Kurt Cobain committed suicide right allegedly. Okay, Well, in any case,
you know, one could see where being in in that
kind of relationship one might consider doing that. Yes, it's
it's really uh, there's you know.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
Also, what's interesting is that they met on the set
of Rum Diary, which was a very particularly important project
for Johnny Depp, and I think part of the way
this whole thing started was where he saw her as
perfectly fitting the role. And I think that from the

(41:31):
beginning he kind of saw her in that role and
as someone who she wasn't. In other words, and which
happens a lot to Hollywood stars when they meet on set,
that they see each other not as who they really are,
but as whatever role they're playing, and they kind of
continue on in those roles rather than who they the

(41:55):
people actually are. You know, they think of them, they
want them to be who the role is.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
You know, that is a really a student analysis. I'm
so glad you brought that up. I don't think i've
heard that take on it. That he was so intimately
involved with the history and the legacy of Hunter S. Thompson,
the Gonza, great writer who I also appreciate very much,
and who also only allegedly committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
We won't go there.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You know that he he created this romantic vision of
her that wasn't true. She was a social climber, She
was very ambitious. She would have done anything in order
to get what she wants. And to hear her testify,
I'm sorry, I'm just gonna go. I'm wanna wait for
the whole thing to come out. Okay, I want to
make my decision at the end. But so far she

(42:46):
hasn't apologized and taken any accountability for any of the
things she's done, most of which were played on tape
earlier in this trial.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
Yes, yes, that's right. It is so hard to watch
because it is so evident that she is lying. I mean,
we know we've caught the the the case, and she
caught her in a lot of lives to begin with,
you know, from saying that she used a certain kind
of makeup, and the makeup company Malaney came out and said, no,

(43:15):
that makeup wasn't around in the years that she said
she was using it to cover the bruises. There were
so many other kinds of lives that she made. So
now so we have this history of knowing about these
lives and then she now acts like this on the stand,
and and you can see the change when she first
came out and she was telling about her childhood and

(43:37):
about raking horses and going to school and you know,
her road to becoming an actress. I mean that was
in a very conversational, nice, you know, pleasant kind of tone.
And then all of a sudden, when she started talking
about Johnny Depp, that's when this quivering, this quivering ship

(43:57):
and no tears to she've barely had tears. I think
she was reading social media obviously talking about how there
were no tears.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
So Doctor Carol, she yesterday or the day before, she
fired her PR person and got a new PR person
because she has just been taking it on the chin,
no pun intended during this entire trial. It's not working
out for it.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
At first, I thought this might be career suicide for
Johnny Depp, who I just have a little bit of
an affection for her. So I don't mind, you know,
announcing my bias because we travel in some of the
same circles.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
But you know, I just.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I just don't think anyone's buying this. I don't think
there's any PR agency that can cover up for what's happening.
And the cross examining hasn't even happened to Amberhard which
is you know, the money part of this trial.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
If people aren't watching it, they're gonna listen to this
and go, what am I missing? What's happening? I think
the most important thing to do that is let's solve
a problem.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Let's provide an answer. How do we not get into this?
And I understand we're talking about a.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Guy who had you know, who had have.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
A billion dollars and one of the most famous people
on the planet, But that could apply to me and you,
that could apply to every one of my listeners. How
do we not get into these kind of deranged, codependent relationships?
Is there an answer for.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Something like that? Well?

Speaker 7 (45:29):
Yes, I actually wrote a book. My first book was
called Bad Boys, Why We Love Them, How to Live
to Leave Them? And when I talked about twelve different
types of bad boys, and one of them was the
Prince of Darkness, and that was an abusive bad boy. Well,
actually I should be talking about h I wrote a
book after that called Bad Girls, Why Men Love Them

(45:52):
and how good girls can learn their secrets and for
both you know, whether it's a bad boy or bad girl.
And by bad I met heartbreakers. It all has to
do with your childhood. It has to do with what
kind of a relationship you had with your mother, with

(46:13):
your father. And for example, for women, whether they're attracted
to a bad boy. And I am not saying that
Johnny Depp is at He's not an abusive bad boy.
He may well have been a heartbreaker. But what makes
a woman be attracted to a bad boy is her

(46:33):
relationship with her father, A dysfunctional relationship with her.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Father, which has come out in the trial, that's come
out in the trial. She's thrown her own father under
the bus several times. I mean, this is very pitle,
this is very Freudian. If you can continue for just
another minute, because we're going to run out of time.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
Okay, Well, so after women have been with bad boys
enough times, or one bad boy that really broke her heart,
then they decide that they are not lovable. They're not
going to find a prince who loves them, and so
they decide to go for somebody who can give them
something else, whether it's a gold digger or you know,
other something else that they need in their life. And

(47:12):
so because so they've given up on love and they're
they're getting something else, and that's you know, I think
that that's what she has done, and she is the one.
She is the bad girl, she is the heartbreaker and
also the abuser.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, and I would love to talk about because you've
done two books on terrorism, we have to have you
back just to talk about that. Doctor Carol Lieberman with
us on the broadcast today on Voice America dot com,
The Terrorist Therapist, the podcast Forensic Psychiatrists. You should be
making five hundred dollars an hour doing this case, as
some of the witnesses they are. But the gas lighting,

(47:51):
this is something that is going on in it permeates
all of our culture, whether we talk about how we
talk about the pandemic, how we talk about to Russia
versus Ukraine, how we talk about the abortion conversation going
on right now. The gas lighting is this form of
completely obliterating someone's credibility and then you know, obviously dosing

(48:16):
them in the case of what we've seen happen to
Johnny Depp, and then on top of it, just shutting
you up, making you self censor yourself. I mean, it
is a massive psychological mind game, the gas lighting that
goes on. And she seems like, I guess the pinnacle
of it. I mean, she gaslighted the crap out of

(48:37):
Johnny Depp. Yes, yes, but talk about it in talk
about it in a wide sense, if you could, Doctor Carroll,
what's going on with our culture right now with this
gas lighting?

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Well, yes, you know we are, we are being well,
you know, I guess the biggest example is the Ministry
of Information that is.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Putting up disinformation. They're being honest, they uh you know, I.

Speaker 7 (49:09):
Mean yes, I mean the irony of that and the
and the gas lighting of that, trying to make us
feel that they're the ones who are going to be
telling us the truth when they're the ones who are
gaslighting us. I mean, it is just really you know,
what they're trying to do is get everybody's head spinning,
and they're doing a good job of it, so that
then they can come in with the kind of society

(49:30):
that they want to have that you know, they can
destroy America basically, and with the cancel culture and every
the CRT and the transgender and and just everything is
really just destroying the American values and and our minds
are you know, we were vulnerable after COVID first of all, uh,

(49:53):
and isolation, lockdown and all of that, and then all
of these crazy things, the protests that we're told, I mean,
the riots that were told were peaceful protests. All these things.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
We're not allowed to think or say what we want.
So final question with doctor Carol Lieberman, and I love
having you on because you're very interesting and you're an expert,
and we need experts to talk about things and break
them down. Is doctor Jill gaslighting and beating Joe. I
think this is elder abuse on so many levels. It's

(50:27):
what's happening.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
Yes, yes, I don't know if she's physically.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Beating Jesus handler is handled, I think she.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
I think she should be arrested for elder abuse because
even if she isn't really physically doing anything to him,
but she is letting him stay as president, making a
fool of himself, getting America into World War three, and
not getting him to a doctor, to a neurologist, to
get a psychiatrist first to get tested, and then a

(50:58):
neurologist to do, you know, Mr pet scans and figure
out what kind of dementia he has.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And I didn't even vote for him, doctor Carroll, but
I felt complicit in this every time I watch him
wandering around shaking invisible people's hands, and tripping over his
own feed and and being embarrassed by uh Barack Obama
and all the things that are happening, some of them
have massive national security implications, and you know, but hey,

(51:27):
everybody knows I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Hard on all the presidents.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I was hard on Trump, and I was very hard
on Bush and a little bit hard on Obama and
all the rest of them. Like I'm an equal opportunity
muck raker, and I think that makes me psychologically good. Right,
you can diagnose me after this this conversation that I'm
I'm I have decent mental health. Right, I'm I'm critically aware.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
Let's put it that way. I want to be. I
was trying to warn people about Biden's encroaching dementia beginning
when he was in the basement and running for president.
I tried to warn people that this what's happening now
was going to happen. I mean, I didn't foresee Afghanistan,
that disaster, but I do foresee what happened after it,
you know, with various leaders, our enemies coming after us

(52:19):
because they see that he's not all there.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
You know, we went over and that's what I'm going
to do with doctor Carrol Lieberman.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Can't wait to have you back promote anything. What is
the foremost thing you want to promote? And then I
got to let you go.

Speaker 7 (52:34):
Sure, I guess the best thing is to go to
my website. I have a few websites, but touristtherapist dot com.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Cool. Cool.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And then if you have an issue where you have
to sue your ex wife for defamation, get Carol on
for five an hour.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
Well, yes, I should have mentioned really my own my
other website, which is expert Witness for six Psychiatrists dot com.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Right, it's so good to have you. We've got to
go to the top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
UH international bestseller and underground UH investigative reporter Greg Palace
joining us in the second hour.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Thank you, doctor Carrol. Take care. God're listening to the
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Speaker 5 (53:28):
Thank you, Oh Chilly dot com.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
My song, yeah, that song is Vultures Picnic by the
band Fear Porn. I happen to be in that band,
and uh he. Greg Palace is with us.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Today from Rolling Stone, Guardian, BBC. Greg Pallace dot com
best selling author of too many books to mention, but
we will mention them on the broadcast today. But I
wrote that song for you man, that that applies to
your great book, Vulture's Picnic, which talks about how cartel
capitalism has run them up in the Third World and

(54:19):
nothing has change since then, Greg Pallace, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Welcome, And where do I get my royalties for Vulture
for the song? No, you're gonna give those to me
when you when they make a movie of Vultures Picnic,
which Johnny Depp should be in that.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
He absolutely should be in as opposed to out And
I could I could? You know what, once in a while,
I really need a good beating. Well, we won't go
into that. Here we will go. I won't.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I won't tell you my personal stuff. You don't share yours.
But if you want to go ahead because it's good radio.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
No, No, I miss bad Pennie and I once in
a while we do dress up like pirates once in
a while.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Arg Uh, yeah, that's when we go undercover. The eye
patch it shifts on different eyes as people off.

Speaker 9 (55:08):
You actually was gonna use you know, John McEnroe is
gonna work with me working under cover. He said, well,
everyone recognized me and said that's the point.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, this is true.

Speaker 9 (55:17):
And so we're gonna send him to this billionaire vulture's house.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
This guy was in Vultures.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
Picnic if you remember Doctor Herman, and he had this
monster state.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
It was like bigger than the Vatican.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
And how are we gonna We noticed from satellite photos
he had a tennis court.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So we're gonna bring in macenroe and so we could.

Speaker 9 (55:40):
Film the guy and get on his estate and film
him by saying, can we film you with John McEnroe.
We're doing a reality show called so you think you are?
You can play tennis? You know with the champ, you
can beat the champ or something like that. But then
that day was a freak snowstorm, so the the tennis

(56:01):
kind of tennis whites were not appropriate.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, I mean that's how you get to the elites
golfer tennis, right.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Were tennis? In fact? Actually, when.

Speaker 9 (56:12):
Air Force officer was saying, you know, when they're at
the Air Force Academy, their officers kept telling him that
he has to learn how.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
To play golf.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
He said, why, said, well, if you want a promotion,
forget ability, just play.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Golf with you're superiors. That's how you get a promotion.
You know.

Speaker 9 (56:27):
Forget about for the pads, you know, I mean that's
the other way, you know, knee pads also were exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
No, forget about Bohemian Grove and scull and bones.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
It's the golf courses that we should be very concerned about.
Uh So, I don't even know where to start. Let's
start with censorship, because you've got to know more about
this than anyone else. You literally broke the story of
the two thousand election. You were sent packing over to
the London Guardian and no one would publish you, and

(56:58):
you couldn't get on MSNBC, CNN, Fox like anywhere. And
you went and did your work over there and wrote
all your astounding books. But what is what is your view,
Greg Pallace of the climate today with you know, say
what we want or die?

Speaker 9 (57:14):
Well, I'd love to tell you, but then I wouldn't
be allowed any social media sites or but no, okay, no,
it's actually yeah, it is no joke because I ended
up like you say so for those who don't know,
I broke the story back in two thousand when Jeb

(57:36):
Bush removed with a woman named Katherine Harris her real
name is Cruela Deville, remove fifty eight thousand black men
from the voter rolls of Florida just before the Gore
Bush election. Fifty eight thousand black men because they had
committed crimes there felons. And how do we know of
their felons, Well, it says on the voter registration rolls

(57:56):
b LA next to their name, which means fel I
Actually it turns out it's supposed to mean black, but
they consider that the same thing.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I'm not kidding you.

Speaker 9 (58:05):
Of all the fifty eight thousand black men, and we
know they're black, they really do say BLA next to
their name because in Florida used to have to put
your race on your registration form. And of the fifty
eight thousand men that they accused of being ex cons
who at the time couldn't vote in Florida, exactly zero
zero we're illegal voters, zero out of fifty eight thousand.

(58:27):
But Bush supposedly won Florida by just five hundred and
thirty seven votes with those black men removed, and that
gave him the presidency. So the presidency the United States
has been stolen. So when you have schmucks like ads.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Russia did that, Greg Russia did that.

Speaker 9 (58:42):
Oh Russia, Well, Putin has I think is more effective.
You know, he was facing a kind of primary contest
with Boris Nempsov who went.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
He went to the Kremlin and as he was crossing.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
The street, fore men came up and put bullets in
the back of his head and in the back and
also killed his great Ukrainian girlfriend right in front of
the Kremlin, which happened to have all its security cameras
turned off at that moment. They were repairing them. You
know how they turn off the security cameras in front
of the White House anyway.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
So that so, uh, Jeff Bush has not does not
need to go to four bullets in the back of
the head.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
He just takes fifty eight thousand black ballots and deep
six is they're right to vote.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
But you're talking about censorship. But now censorship is the
issue because I wrote that story on the front page
of the freaking Guardian newspaper, the number one English language
newspaper on the planet. No, not the New York Times.
That's that's American parochialism.

Speaker 9 (59:44):
That that's the newsletter of of the Upper West Side elite.
I'm talking about a newspaper, not a newsletter.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (59:52):
And they put on the front page BBC News, which is,
you know, the premier news channel on the planet. Put
at the top of the BBC Nightly News. That's how
Bush became president. And you couldn't get that in US
newspapers if I took hostages. There was one mention in
a column not in the news section, that this report

(01:00:12):
had come out in England. But that was by a
by a a columnist who was black. I say, who
was black. He was a columnist. He's no longer a
columnist for the New York Times. And when you talk
about you couldn't get on MSNBC, I got real close,
you know that. I got on once on MSNBC with

(01:00:34):
Phil Donahue and I did mention the theft of the election.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I did bring it up, and then they kicked him
to the curb right then they said, you know what.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
And this is also while their protests that he was
bringing bringing on people to question the war, the plan,
the drum beat for the war in Iraq, and they said,
you know your program is in jeopardy, and he had
to add, well, I'm thinking of bringing on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Greg Pallas as a regular reporter for the show. They
literally almost canceled him on the spot.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
They waited a good day. I'm not kidding you. I
can't make this up. I got this from his producer,
and I spoke to Phil and I apologize for, you know,
getting a show camned.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
So yeah, so censorship so I couldn't get in the Times.

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
And in fact, it's interesting The Times two years later
brought up had an editorial in which they mentioned the
infamous fellon purge of Florida in two thousand. Well how
could it be infamous when they didn't even report it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
And I got it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:32):
So, but here's the thing I keep getting censored. When
I did a report at in January twenty twenty one
during the Senate runoff in Georgia, you know, and I
did a report for a program called Democracy Now, in
which I showed that they were that they had illegally

(01:01:52):
that their GOP had illegally removed one hundred and ninety
eight thousand voters from the voter rules, including Martin Luther
King's ninety two year old cousin. They said that she
didn't live in Georgia anymore. I went to her house.
I was in front of the polling station when she
was thrown out on her keyster and her granddaughter's hysterical
and in tears.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
This is King's cousin.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
It's gonna be the fiftieth anniversary of her voting the
first time, which is the fiftieth anniversary of her cousin's death.
And what happened was, so I ran it on Democracy Now,
but they had shortened it. They took out the front
end where I had Trump people saying the election was
stolen and I'm proving them wrong. But then Consortium News
ran the story and then they did the whole program

(01:02:35):
so that it included the Trump people saying the election
stolem anyway we got. Not only was that program pulled
off of YouTube by who owns.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
YouTube, that's Google.

Speaker 9 (01:02:48):
Not only did Google remove that piece, they told Consortium
News that one more time violating their community standards, and
they will shut down Consortium News, which is life or
death for them. They won't be able to outlet and
that's their that's their outlet. Consortium News, by the way,
he was started by the extraordinary columnists, uh, investigative reporter

(01:03:11):
Bob Perry and is now yeah, it was run by
you know, a former Wall Street Journal reporter. But you
know that wasn't for you know, as far as Google
is concerned. And you know, here's the problem. So it
keeps going on, the censorship and the strangulation of the
truth continues.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I mean, I.

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
Got, uh, you know, and but you know, on the
other hand, we also have unfortunately on the left, we've
now and I say we because I consider myself on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
The left, whether you like it or not.

Speaker 9 (01:03:44):
And I was just on a program on the crisis
in journalism, and a non journalist said, the crisis in
journalism is that Zuckerberg doesn't remove postings quick enough that
deny climate change.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
And you're really going on and on that that there's
just not enough censorship on the on the net. And
I said, so you're in favor of censorship. Oh, I'm
against censorship.

Speaker 9 (01:04:11):
But I said, no, that that's you can't be for
censorship but against censorship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
But because as soon as you say but you're for censorship.
So you want these people, you want people you don't
agree with pulled out.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
So how would you feel if your site was pulled down? She's, oh,
it has been pulled down. So in other words, she
was more concerned, not concerned, that she and her site,
which was a climate change site for young people, were
being pulled off. There what disturbed her. That didn't bother
at all. What bothered her was that other sites that
she didn't agreement with we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I know, because that is the essential duty of collectivism
and cognitive dissonance. And you know what that means, right, Greg,
I mean you hold two opposing ideas in your brain
at the same time, and there's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
To call it bullshit, hypocrisy, I know, call cognitive dissonance
because you had that, I know, right, I learnt that
before you dropped out, right. I don't want to be
so cynical because Greg Pallas is on the air. He's
a real journalist and not a jerk.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
And that's how he signs off on his emails to
me every day. No, because it's it's gotten worse. And
I remember, I think I interviewed you in just after
two thousand the first time and we've since become friends.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
But it's like, what is going on? And so both
sides steal elections.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
So let's just finish off with this, because I don't
know who were you supporting in the twenty twenty election.
Because I had a Bernie Sanders interest, I had a
Tolci Gabbert interest, I had a little Rampall interest, but
none of them really looked good enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
But I saw what happened and they.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
So I know you're doing all this work on how
Republicans steal elections, but how did the Democrats two elections
in a row steal the election from Bernie Sanders?

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
They did that? That's true?

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Actually, if that was I wrote that article for The
Guardian and which was picked up exactly nowhere in the
American press.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I'm here in La La Land, in Hollywood, in California.

Speaker 9 (01:06:20):
And we have and I explained how Bernie Sanders was
cheated out of hundreds of thousands of votes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
In fact, the.

Speaker 9 (01:06:29):
Number one polling center in California, which is very democratically oriented,
they gave me all the data.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
See, in California, you have.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
This weird system where if you are a Democrat, if
you're an independent, and most voters in California are independent,
don't register for a party, but they believe and they've
been told that they can vote in the Democratic primary
because everyone hears Democrat, but they young people just don't
put down their party affiliation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Now, as it turns out, Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 9 (01:07:01):
Among independent registered but Democratic leading voters was winning two
to one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
So that's most of the voters.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
So if all those voters could vote as they thought
they could vote, then he would have won the California
primary in the last two in sixteen, and he would
have wont even bigger in twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
But what happened people didn't know that they had.

Speaker 9 (01:07:28):
If they went in and cast a Democratic Party ballot
but they weren't registered as Democrat, it would be thrown out.
They had to ask for a special printed ballot called
the No Party Preference alternative ballot, the no party And
if you didn't have the ask and you weren't allowed
and no pollwork. If you said that I'm an independent,
but I want the Democratic Party ballot, which most that's

(01:07:49):
for most California voters, they wouldn't. They'd say, sorry, you
can't vote a Democratic Party ballot. They're not allowed to say,
all I have to do is ask for the no
party preference Democratic ban. Now that might sound complicated, but
it cost the Polling Center agreed with me, cost Bernie
Sanders hundreds of thousands of votes, hundreds of thousands. And
they called it the purge by postcard because they send

(01:08:12):
you postcards saying do you want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
A Democratic Party ballot?

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
And then a lot of people every California gets a
ballot mail to them. I know there's a lot of detail,
but this is how you steal elections.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
No, I mean it sounds like election They locked us
all down for COVID and then you got to fill
out the thing. And I mean, I'm not trying to Hey, listen,
I'm not trying to say Trump is right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
But most of no, no, no, no, but hold on, Greg,
most of the stuff that came out, the conspiracy theories
on MSNBC and CNN and whatnot, they they fucked it up, Greg,
because they ended up being wrong and they made Trump right.
And so how is Trump not looking at as he

(01:08:57):
called you? Is Trump get on the phone with Greg
Pallace because he could need you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
You got to tell him to get rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
His prime executioners. But man, I mean, it sounds familiar.
And Trump himself, let me just say this, came out
and said they stole the election from Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
I mean, he said that, and he's right, yeah, and
he was, and he brought out the point.

Speaker 9 (01:09:21):
He says, well, he missed the bullet because he said,
if you know, at least six million people voted for
Bernie Sanders then voted for him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
He says, imagine if.

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
If Hillary had picked Bernie as her running mate, I'd
be out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
He would have lost absolutely, So you know, I mean,
you can't. You can't.

Speaker 9 (01:09:38):
That's that's one of the problems. We see this problem
all the time. But at the moment, most of my
investigation is no question. Are Republicans playing games to the
vote or coming up with really false ideas of theft.
But I have to say, like the Democrat, I read
the the Mueller report. The reason Trump wasn't indicted for
conspiracy with Russia is that. And I know, as you heard,

(01:09:58):
I'm no friend of the Russians by any means.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
But I read the Muller report.

Speaker 9 (01:10:05):
He didn't bring it, and he says, there's just no
information here that leads to an indictment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
That's why and so.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
The Democrats are going on with this Russia, Russia, Russia stuff,
while in fact there were some serious problems for you know,
black voters, Asian voters, young voters in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Places like Georgia and Arizona. They buried, they buried the lead.

Speaker 9 (01:10:29):
Oh, by the way, the Democratic Attorney General and Secretary
of State of Michigan had my site shut down when
you talk about censorship, because I said.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Here's the people that So I put up two lists three.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
Well, you mean, who's that's Illinois, this is Michigan. So
I had I uncovered that three states Wisconsin, of four states, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia,
and well, let's uh, Michigan. Yeah, all had illegally removed

(01:11:09):
voters from the voter rules, saying that they left the state.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
When they didn't, they were still there.

Speaker 9 (01:11:13):
I got and I actually got the world's top address
location experts, that is the people that work with Amazon.
You notice that you that Jack, You don't get someone
else's tidy Whiteyes, you always. They always know where you are.
And if you don't pay your and if you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Don't pay American Express to your bill, they'll find you
in North Korea. I guarantee it. So I talked to
these experts.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
They said, no, these people live here, and we called them,
We called twelve hundred voters and they said, uh, no,
what do you mean, I live here? But they lost
their votes, just like Martin Luther King's cousin. But that
didn't just happen that they the Republicans didn't in Georgia,
but the Democrats did it in Michigan. And while the
Republican Secretary of State, the scumbad name named Brad Raffin's

(01:11:58):
perguer Purgurs is really his name, raffis Perguer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
He had viciously attacked me.

Speaker 9 (01:12:05):
Brian Kemp, the governor, viciously attacked me in Georgia, but
they didn't take down my site, whereas the Democratic Secretary
of State and Attorney General in Michigan they had my
site taken down until they got a note from a
kind of ACLU affiliate in Michigan saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Pallace generally helps Democrats, and then they then they had
my site. They let my site go back up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Man, Greg, I mean, I'm so far left, I'm kind
of right, you know, I mean, that's I mean, now
it's getting it the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Lines are really blurred.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
All I want people to do is have common sense,
intelligent arguments based on information and not debunked by the
Government of Disinformation. I can't believe they're naming that it's
it is the Department of Disinformation. Are they telling us
what they're trying to do to us?

Speaker 10 (01:12:58):
And I don't think you're Do you remember great the
liar According to the London Mirror, the liar with your picture.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You're not going to turn out okay in this this
thing with the new Department of Disinformation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
It's not going to work out good for you man.

Speaker 9 (01:13:17):
Sorry, no, it has That's why I say they took
They took down my stuff from CONSORTI News, they shut
down my website. This is the problem with once we
start in censorship wars, and then they'll say, oh, we
didn't mean you, Just like in Michigan, once the Democrats
were told, hey, Palace, most of his work is supporting
supports Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Then oh, oh we didn't. Oh that was a mistake. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (01:13:39):
I don't want anyone censored, whether I'm supporting Democrats, Republicans,
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
And I don't support any freaking candidate because they all
end up going rotten, and I don't care who they are.

Speaker 9 (01:13:50):
I mean, you know, I mean I was, I was,
actually I you know, Hugo chav Is considered me a
good friend. But even he went rotten in the end,
of course he so that's real rotten.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
But you know, fast acting cancer. I'm sure it was
perfectly explainable. But yeah, no, no, but you're right. He
guys coffee day, so there's a reason why he has
I don't know, I drink eighty cups of coffee a day,
drink whiskey and smoked cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
And I'm still act with Satan. So you've got to
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
You know what he did at the end, he would
have those meetings. I mean he he did become a dictator,
but he this is so complicated because they have they
have multiple coups running against them. I mean, it's the.

Speaker 9 (01:14:38):
People of Venezuela loved that man all the way to
the end. His big problem was picking someone who's not
competent to take his.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Place in Venezuela. Because see, the.

Speaker 9 (01:14:48):
One thing that that the left doesn't understand what chav is,
because I knew him well is and he translated some
of my books, The best Democracy money can buy into.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Spanish, by the way.

Speaker 9 (01:14:58):
Yeah, and he read he'd read from my books every
week on his TV show I'llow Presidente, which didn't didn't
That didn't help me either, well, mainly because of these
crazy Cubans with guns.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
That's why it didn't help me.

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
And and as you know from from the book, that's
one of the things that led.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
To the problem with with miss Badpenny, my chief investigator.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
And now my my official, my spouse. But we have
the most unusual meeting, you know, people say, well, how
did you two meet, you know, and after we got married,
and I said, well, I thought she was sent to
assassinate me and I was going to have to take
her out first, and which is true, it's absolutely hundred
percent true.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
And involved with.

Speaker 9 (01:15:42):
Picnic, I was getting these death threats from these right wingers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
And no one was supposed to know where I live.
But she's an investigator, so of course she hunted me down.
It's good if you're asking for a job as an investigator,
that's one way to do it. And she is a
foreign agent.

Speaker 9 (01:15:59):
Yes, yes, Jesus, very Swiss, and so she uh so
it's after midnight and there's this like young woman like
all cover it up. I thought she was young, I mean,
as she looked like she was in her twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Whatever. I walk outs after one in the morning and.

Speaker 9 (01:16:21):
She goes, no one's supposed to know where I live,
No one's supposed to know where I work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
No one is a secret because it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Is dangerous, and she goes, mister Pallaced, and I go, damn,
this is it. She's gonna this is like Squeaky Frome.
She's gonna this, this freak is from some cult. She's
gonna take me out. And so then I decided i'd
have to because you can't outrun a bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
You don't run away.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
You have to go into someone and knock them over.
That's the training, and you go roll into them. And
I was about to take her out and smash her
face when she said but I hesitated for half a
second because I was actually walking my dog and I
didn't want him to run, And so that half second
hesitation allowed her to say, mister Pallace the second time.

(01:17:05):
Now someone's gonna bump you off. They're not gonna ask twice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
So I was so relieved. She just said, well, I
found your interests that I want to ask you for
a job, and I go, oh, I was so relieved.

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
I would have given her my my house, which eventually
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Right, Well, we'll see how it turns out. We'll see
how it turns out. But you know, I gotta go
to break. Man's all take a break because this has
been eminently fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
We got another half hour to go with a good friend,
Greg Palace, be right back after this.

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(01:19:08):
BBC Best Democracy money can buy?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Please buy that book?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Will you buy it? Because Greg, he can't pay his rent.
He needs to have people buying that. But Vulture's picnic
in the case of the stolen election. He's on Amazon,
Amazon Prime, and he's in a bunch of documentaries and
we're super happy to have him here, not just because
he knows where all the bodies are buried, because he's
my friend. So Greg, good to have you. We got

(01:19:33):
another thirty minutes, let's go.

Speaker 9 (01:19:35):
Okay, Yeah, Well, we were talking about Venezuela, and I
want to make an important point. You know, we keep saying, oh,
Germany has to keep paying half of They pay nearly
a billion dollars a day to putin for his oil
and gas. They are funding the Germans are funding the
invasion now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
But they say always nothing we can do about it. Yeah,
there is venice. We have embargoed people forget yet we've
laid siege to Venezuela.

Speaker 9 (01:20:02):
We have an embargo. We don't let anything in we
don't let anything out. Venezuela could export two million barrels
of oil a day, and that creepy corporation Chevron, we
can get into Chevron.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Well broke no, but hold on, I want my listeners
to know you're the guy that broke the Exxon Valdez story.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
So all right, go yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:20:22):
So what happened was I was the chief investigator on
the Exon Vald's breakup for the natives.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Let's not forget that. It's it's American natives who own
that property up in Alaska.

Speaker 9 (01:20:34):
And I uncovered that it wasn't some drunken skipper who
smacked a reef like you know, some drunken a wheel.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
That's an idiot concept. He wasn't even at the wheel.
There was no the radar.

Speaker 9 (01:20:45):
It was the Excellon Veld's had the first GPS system
that was created by Raytheon. It costs not twenty dollars
that you get at Walmart. It was two million dollars
and difficult to operate. So because it was too cost
so much money and costs a lot to operate and
train folks, Exxon just told them to shut off the radar.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
So you have a giant frickin' tanker.

Speaker 9 (01:21:10):
Going through Alaskan waters with the radar off, and that's
how they hit the reef. And then we wouldn't have
even heard about that except that they you know where
they hit, a place called Bly Island.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
This is important people to understand how.

Speaker 9 (01:21:23):
Corporate America works, Corporate Planet Corporation works. Okay, So on
Bly Island, which is where that Exon Valde smacked up,
the oil drilling consortium led by a company called British
Petroleum or BP, said that they would have in case

(01:21:45):
there was ever an oil spill or tanker spill in
the the Prince William Sound in Alaska, that on Bly
Island there would be all this equipment to surround a boat,
suck out the oil and prevent the spread of a
of oil. So what happened, And it's almost as if
understand this is like starting a fire in a trash

(01:22:07):
can in front of a fire department. But the thing
was so that we should have never even heard the
Exxon Valdiez because they literally smacked into the place where
they kept all the equipment, except that they didn't have
the equipment. It wasn't there. It was a total lie
British petroleum.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
And this is not Exxon but Exon. Let me tell you,
Exon was in on it, on petroleum, beyond petroleum.

Speaker 9 (01:22:28):
The you know they paint their gas station's green. But
then they complete they literally fabricated that they had the
emergency equipment that they figured, well, who's ever gonna look
in the middle of the Arctic, you know, Well, so
it wasn't there, and the coastline was destroyed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Then we and by the way, so when I saw the.

Speaker 9 (01:22:48):
Deep water horizon go up and there was no equipment there,
Haliburton horizon once again, once again.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
That was British petroleum.

Speaker 9 (01:22:58):
And now in Venezuela, by the way, the reason why
Venezuela is under barber you know what it is because
when French total pulled out of Venezuela, the British government
asked Maduro, the Travis's successor, if they could drill in
Venezuela take over the French concession.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
The British would take it for BP and Maduro said no,
which is foolish because he didn't realize what they would
do to him.

Speaker 9 (01:23:29):
He said, no, We're going to keep it for the
for Venezuela's own oil company. That was a big mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
You don't screw it, British Petroleum. I was in a
Zerobaijean as you know from.

Speaker 9 (01:23:40):
My book, from Volter's Picnic, and you know when when
uh the it was baby baba uh, the dictator was
put in there because they had they had an elected
president in a Zerbaijan. That's one of these nations pooped
out by the Soviet Union. When it fell over in

(01:24:02):
the nation of a Zerbaijan, they'd given they didn't give
British Petroleum the concession to drill oil in the Caspian Sea.
So m I six simply over gave guns to the
old kg BE chief. I hat a leave and they
overthrew the elected government. And you know when I did

(01:24:23):
a show on that for Channel four Britain where they
don't have the same level of censorship. When I did
that show, we put on a member of parliament who's
on the board of directors of British Petroleum. By the way,
if you can imagine in Britain you can actually be
a member of parliament and be on a corporate board.
But everyone knows he was all that here. Yeah, no, no, no,

(01:24:45):
we don't we don't buy them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
You have to be out of Congress before you you
get the bullard.

Speaker 9 (01:24:51):
I just have to tell you that the money's on
its way, the checks and the mail what you're but
the but on top of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
So they overthrew.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
So this guy from from the member of Parliament on
the Board directors of BP is also an m I
six officer, you know, Uh James Bob Yeah, and uh
when we said so we have evidence that m I
six overthrew the elected president of a Zerbi Sho and

(01:25:23):
you know what his response was, Well, isn't that what
you pay us to do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Isn't that what the British taxpayers expect. We're supposed to
preserve the oil of these nations for our nation. We
do gas an economy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I mean, it is cartel capitalism at its highest.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
So okay, now, I don't know where you just like
to you just took this into places don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
But you know what, Hey, check this out. I just
watched this movie called Big Man. Have you seen that?
It is, uh, the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Corporate takeover of a massive oil field called the Jubilee
oil field.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Off the shore of Ghana in Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
All Right, we're raping Africa a little bit and just
started happening yesterday. And you know, but and it's a
juxtaposition between them and Niger who you know, this is
what happens when oil hits your country and it supersedes government.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
There's no state department involved.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
It's exon mobile, it's corporations, and they don't care like
who gets hurt. And the money doesn't ever go to
the people. I think someday, you know, it's like Christmas.
Someday Christmas will come and we'll get our presence under
the tree, says the poor little.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Kid in Harlem. It's not happening, man. I mean, now
we'll don't forget why why. What pushed.

Speaker 9 (01:26:57):
What created Putin was the was the ash and grab
of the oil industry in Russia. Russia, forty three percent
the budget is from oil sales and royalties.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
And now it's more, it's like eighty percent. This nation.

Speaker 9 (01:27:11):
We you know, Larry Summers and the gangsters from Harvard,
with Bill Clinton's help, went in and took advantage of
that drunk Yeltsin and privatized everything. What privatized means that
they took public resources, the entire oil industry of Russia,
which is the world's number one oil producer today number one,

(01:27:31):
took all that oil and literally handed it to the
connected oligarchs, the billionaires. These are raging thieves that destroyed
the nation. The average life expectancy of a man dropped
by more than ten years.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
You know what that's like. That was worse.

Speaker 9 (01:27:50):
That had a bigger effect than World War Two on
the demographics of Russia.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That's how severe it was.

Speaker 9 (01:27:56):
You had one fourth of the population literally starving because
of this type of oil privatization. So Putin came in
and seized back a big hunk of the oil industry
from a gangster named Kodorovsky. He banished another oligarch named
Berezovsky interested who then ended up dead, face down in

(01:28:16):
his bathroom. I don't know how mister Putin, but he's
the guy who actually put Putin in. And what's interesting,
what's interesting, Jack, if you go to greg Palace dot
comulo read the story this guy Berezovsky who put Putin in.
And remember Putin became president No One, only less than
one percent of the public knew who he was when

(01:28:37):
he took over.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Less than one percent. He was put in by two oligarchs.

Speaker 9 (01:28:44):
One Berezovsky, another Kazinski, who was then sent into exile too.
Why they picked Putin They wanted a Russian pinachet. They
wanted like the dick, you know, the guy the murder.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
All right, yeah, that's good. He's the bag man because
he worked for the mayor of Saint Petersburg and he
got him out and then he worked his way up
in East Germany to be Yeltsin's buddy, and they picked him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
He's our Frankenstein and now we want him out. Is
that what's going on? He we want him out and
we don't care who has to.

Speaker 9 (01:29:19):
Die now after that guy in, It's very important for
people to understand when we say we put him in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Here's how it went.

Speaker 9 (01:29:26):
You got I want to fill in a little of
that story you just told about Yeltsin.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Okay, So this guy was a nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:29:30):
He was an assistant to Soapchak, the the mayor of Petersburg.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
He was a nothing guy, but he was a loyal guy.

Speaker 9 (01:29:38):
And Yeltsin was impressed by that, and so were these
these other the oligarchs there. What they wanted that Yeltsin
was a drunk The nation was falling apart. Yelson had
five heart attacks, it was, but he decided he wanted
to run again. So when he and Berezovsky and Guzinski
went to Davos and they saw that Yeltsin was being ignored,

(01:30:03):
and they were literally and the oil company chiefs were
fawning all over the head of the Communist Party what's
his name is Zuganoff, who they assumed would beat yelts
In the next election. So the oligarchs, Berezovsky told Yeltson, look,
we will We'll do whatever it takes. We'll basically steal

(01:30:25):
the election for you. We'll get help from the Americans
because they don't want the zuganyoffer whatever his name is,
head of the Communist Party still is there to win.
So we'll get Bill Clinton, we'll get our billions in there,
and we'll use what they call administrative measures. That's the
that's their fancy word for the bullshit word vote.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Suppression, stealing the vote.

Speaker 9 (01:30:46):
So Yeltsin stole that election, but he had one condition
put on him that he would resign shortly after that.
He resigned a year or so after he gets elected,
in favor of a man that they would Pick whould
be like Pinichet. He would be militaristic, a teetotaler, and

(01:31:06):
a super capitalist. They wanted someone who preserved the free market,
cowboy capitalism that they'd put in place and protect their billions.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
And they came up. They literally went to meet with Pinachet.
I kid you not.

Speaker 9 (01:31:20):
They actually had Pinochet go on Russian television to tell
them what kind of president they wanted, and it described Putin.
And then they got Yeltsin to name Putin a deputy
prime minister. Then Prime Minister Yeltsin resigns, Putin becomes president.
This is all engineered by the West, by the oil oligarchs,

(01:31:40):
by the billionaires. When Putin got in, the first thing
you realize, if Berezovski and Kotorovsky and Gazinski can put
me in office, they can take me out. So then
he went after the guys who put him in, which
is sh you know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Look, and then they had let's go here now, because
we're only like five minutes away from the end.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Of the show, Greg Palace with us Greg Palace. They
had an auction, So after they put Putin in, they
had an auction to who would get all the resources and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Talking about fixed elections and and what's fixed and what isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
They fixed it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Only Russians were allowed to participate in that, and they
doled it out and ever since then it's just kind
of been disorder.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Well it's been Yeah. So what Putin did.

Speaker 9 (01:32:27):
Was he stole back, stole back enough of the oil
to restore pensions and restore the government and economy and services.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
So that's what made him a hero.

Speaker 9 (01:32:39):
And then he decided, well, if you really want to
be here, what you do is kill a bunch of Muslims.
So he went in and leveled the capital of Chechnya, Garazni.
He killed fifty thousand civilians, fifteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Russians after the school shooting, and oh yeah, shooting and
that was a false that was a false flaggreg.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
You know that, and I know so they had right.
So there was a school.

Speaker 9 (01:33:01):
This is a long story which we don't have time
to get into, but Putin kind of got in trouble
with that, so he needed to do something big. So
he crushed the Chechens and that made him a big hero,
and he took some of the oil money back, but
he kept most of the billionaires got to keep most
of their billions.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
As you see there are yachts that are finally being seized.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
But you know what, that doesn't mean much to these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
That's kind of a joke, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:25):
The These sanctions are about as tough as taking away
Putin's a Starbucks card.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
If you're buying his oil.

Speaker 9 (01:33:35):
And all we have to do is take it from
Venezuela and stop punishing Venezuela. With Venezuela invaded, no one,
Venezuela has elections. Venezuela has been an ally of the
United States.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Yes, they have a form.

Speaker 9 (01:33:49):
Of socialism there, how dare they? But so does It's
probably it's not more of a socialistic country than Norway.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, yeah, stop calling them Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
They're sick. That's the name of their country. They're sick
of a couple of minutes left. Greg Palace with us
best democracy money can buy vultures picnic Greg Palace dot com.
You can sign up for his newsletter. It's really interesting
and as you guys know, he's an old school investigative reporter.

(01:34:20):
You know, we've done these shows for a long time.
Let me hit you for one or two more questions.
Warren Buffett, right, you know him. Yes, I've heard he
just came Berkshire, Hathaway. They have a subsidiaries in Russia, China,
like everywhere, and here in Seattle where I live in

(01:34:42):
your town.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Said, the stock market is a casino. Today was a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Very hard day for ethereum, for a bitcoin, for the
stock market.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I didn't see the gold prices today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
But I mean, what is he saying, because he's a
vulture cap it's just invest your money in him and
it'll be okay, and you don't play the casino. The
stock market is a casino, according to Warren Buffett two
days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Well, yeah, that's what he's kind of saying. He's saying,
Let I'm the pro let me pick the stocks for you. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:35:17):
And and since he has so much swing mine as well,
you know why pretend?

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Easy question, easy answer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I think that's as opposed to what Blackstone has been
doing all over the country. He does he feeling the heat?
Are the vulture capitalists turning on each other? And how
does that work out for us?

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Greg?

Speaker 9 (01:35:42):
Well, I think you know, everyone likes Warren Buffet because
he's kind of this benign investor, but he's not the
that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Where the big money.

Speaker 9 (01:35:48):
It's it's guys like the big funds that are rising,
like Paul the vulture singer, where it's smash and grab.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
You know what they do is the you know, like
singer like took the.

Speaker 9 (01:35:59):
You know I investigated when he took money from the
Congo that was supposed to be used for colera medicine.
He squeezed the nation of Argentina by the nads until
it went bankrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Uh. This these are the guys.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
These are the guys who are running the direction of
this economy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Okay, So is it insider trading? Insider trading which we
know are congress people participate in the Stock Act didn't
work out, Thank you Obama for trying, but that didn't
help us out at all. Is it insider trading?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Or is it such a corptocracy that our elected officials
in the fixed elections that we vote in and that's
our that's our strength.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Uh, they just rule everything. I mean, it's just well,
here's the good. The good, there's still a back and forth.

Speaker 9 (01:36:56):
They can't steal all the elections all the time, and
they have to make some concer sessions to avoid eruption,
to avoid revolution because it doesn't take much, and so
they got to concede something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
But mostly right now, it's bread and circus. You know.
They just they stick.

Speaker 9 (01:37:14):
The internet needle into your arm once you're addicted, and
then they decide what you can see and what you
can't see. H So you know, yeah, so I'm not
so much as you know with the way American corruption works,
is that how many congressmen go broke and become poor
after they leave office.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Think about that, right, we just saw that Jan Saki
she's going to MSNBC and seuse.

Speaker 9 (01:37:45):
She's been offered more than a ten million dollar contract.
So someone sitting next to the president is knows that
she's going to receive when she walks out the door,
ten million dollars from a media empire.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Now, her golden words on MSNBC aren't worth ten million dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:38:01):
They don't have that many listeners come on, I mean,
but it is worth But what's happened is that they
just got their way.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Into the Oval office and that's how it works. Okay,
But Corrine Jean Pierre is taking her place, so she's
from MSNBC and Jen Psaki is going to MSNBC. Okay,
that says it all, doesn't it. Yeah, it's it's a
victim's parade.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Send in the clowns, theater of the mass and whitelist
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
I'll remember that. Can I steal those lines? All of them?
Is that in the song? Oh? Is that in the
song Vulture's Picnic? Add that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
No, we just wrote those today and Chuck was contributing
to that is our producer. We gotta go Greg, anything
you want to promote, because please just go to my
friend here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Okay, just go to Greg Palace dot com. That's g
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