James DiEugenio - MLK Assassination

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really excited about today's show. We got James Dougenio, well
known and respected JFK a researcher. He's the author of
a JFK Assassination just came out May one. He's an
expert on Bobby Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King assassination, and
even Malcolm X. His website is Kennedy's and King dot com.

(02:01):
Mister Diugenio, are you there, Yes, I am. Thank you
so much. I really appreciate this. Tell the audience about yourself.
Who is James Diugenio?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, okay, I'm I'm by trade a writer and an educator,
all right, and for about the last I'm a retired educator,
all right, And for about the last twenty five or
so years, I've been very much involved with these major

(02:32):
assassinations of the nineteen sixties, since I believe they had
a tremendous impact on America, the America that we live
in today, all right, And so me and a few
of my friends and colleagues decided to put out a
publication which over time transferred itself into this website you

(02:54):
just mentioned, Kennedy's Inking dot Com, in which we post
book reviews, film reviews, and original essays on these major
assassinations of the nineteen sixties. And right now, at this
particular point in time, May the ninth, were caught between
the anniversary of two of the major ones, the fiftieth

(03:17):
anniversary of both the Martin Luther King assassination, which of
course occurred in Memphis in April of nineteen sixty eight,
and the Robert Kennedy assassination, which of course has occurred
in Los Angeles in June of nineteen sixty eight. And
both those particular cases are getting a lot of press
right now. Later on this year, of course, you'll have

(03:40):
the fifty to fifth anniversary of the JFK assassination. So
there's really, in essence, you have three major anniversaries in
this one year. Okay, So that's what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Give me an idea, how old were you when all
these assassinations started taking place.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, I was back when when the JFK assassination. I
was in the sixth grade, back in my hometown of Erie, Pennsylvania.
So then, of course you just add five years of that,
and I was in high school with the Bobby Kennedy

(04:21):
dis assassination and the Martin Luther King assassination. And I
have to you know, like most people, i'd say the
vast majority of the people, you know, I didn't really
suspect that anything was happening or was going on subterraneanly

(04:42):
that that the public didn't know about. That Today, of course,
I look back at how stupid I was, Okay, but
I really didn't have any kind of curiosity about this thing.
And it evolved slowly over time, all right. And at
the time of the Jim Garrison investigation, for example, you know,

(05:06):
I took note of it, and I kind of discarded it,
like most of us did, you know, because he got
so much bad press. But then a few years later
I stumbled upon his Playboy interview in the mid seventies,
and that kind of really kind of provoked me, and
I started reading a few books on the case, all right,

(05:29):
and then I began to believe that, hey, there was
really something wrong with this JFK case, you know. And
it wasn't until a little bit later that I realized, Hey,
it's not just a JFK case, you know, it's these
other two cases, actually three, you know, all right, that

(05:52):
there's something major wrong with all of them, you know.
And so that's when I later, when I discovered that,
that's when I began to really write and do a
lot of research and go to conferences and interact with
other people. So, you know, I believe. I believe, for example,

(06:16):
that the media in this country, the major media, or
what has come to be called the mainstream media or MSM,
has been very, very bad, and I don't believe it's
by accident on these assassinations of the sixties, and so
we have to rely upon alternative sources of media, for

(06:41):
example yourself, all right, to try and get the truth
out of the public about what really happened to this
country as a result of those things. So that's how
I got interested in it, and that's how I arrived
at where I am today. Our website, kennysanking dot com
gets about about three and a half million hits a year,

(07:03):
all right, and you know, considering that it's a niche
website and we don't publicize it very much that you
know that you know it's it's not bad.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, I'll send you a couple of show put a
put a clip of his show upon there. We'd love
to get those hits. That's great, Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
See, I guess in the mid seventies when everybody was
starting to catch on is when you started catching on it.
There was something fishy going on here.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
We're in the mid seventies, and I'm glad you brought
that up, because in the mid seventies, of course, what happened.
There's three things that happened there is, First of all,
you had the Church Committee, in which they began to
expose the crimes of the CIA and the FBI, you know,
including both the JFK case and the Martin Luther King
case Hoover's Jaeger Hoover's war against Martin Luther King for example.

(07:54):
All right. Then you had the first public showing that
was a Fruiterer film, which was on ABC, I believe
in the summer of nineteen seventy five. All right, and
then you had the reopening of the Kennedy and the
King cases with the House Legt Committee on Assassinations. So, yeah,
that was a very turbulent time for about nineteen seventy

(08:16):
five to about nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, we had all that under Jimmy Carter, and I
guess we had that because of all the scandals of
Watergate and Nixon. You know, maybe there's hope after Trump,
you know, we'll have another swing of the pendulum, you know,
and get some.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
These congressionals here. Well, a lot of people think those
the Church Committee and stuff like that, they were like
show trials. What's your opinion on that?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
On which one of the Trump case?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, no, no, no, the assassination, the House Assassinations, and the
Church Committee.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I believe. I actually wrote a lot about the House
set Committee on Assassinations right at the beginning when they
had Richard Sprague leading as the chief counsel. I think
that promised to be a very good and serious look

(09:09):
at two very serious subjects, namely the assassinations of both
King and John F. Kennedy. What happened is that the
media didn't like Sprague very much. They didn't like his
approach because it was going to be a very serious,
you know, a den In other words, he was going
to investigate those two cases as they were, as if

(09:31):
they were murder cases, you know, like he had been
the assistant DA in Philadelphia for a long period of time.
He'd won something like seventy seven cases and lost one
or two, all right, and he was going to go
after these cases like they were homicide cases, you know,
a real you know, which, of course, which is not

(09:52):
the way the Warrant Commission approached it at all. Okay. So,
and they didn't like that because he was going to obviously,
you know, uncover a lot of things that they had
never covered. So they began to go after him very
bitterly and resentfully, specifically the New York Times, you know,
to a lesser degree, the Washington Post, in the LA Times.

(10:15):
And it was made clear to him by Congress that
if he stuck he stuck it out, they weren't going
to fund the committee, and so he had to resign.
And see, whenever you do something like that, it sends
a message to anybody else who follows. Okay, all right,
And so what happened is that they found another Chief

(10:37):
Council and the Houselod Committee after that. You know, I
don't First of all, it was a very rush investigation,
all right. Second of all, they had all kinds of
trouble with the CIA and the FBI, you know this,

(10:58):
which is why they ended up classifying so much stuff,
all right. And so what happened is towards the end,
in their rush to go ahead and finish the report
and get it out there, I think that there were
a lot of corners that were cut, all right. And
we're finding out today, of course, because of the declassification process,

(11:22):
you know, we're finding out just how many of the
corners were cut, all right. You know, you take a
look at the House Select Committee, what happened to that committee?
And you really wonder, you know, can this country actually,
you know, as a structure, can it really face what happened?

(11:45):
You really have to wonder, you know, it's you just wonder.
After examining it, you know, it's kind of I've come
to the conclusion that the institutions of government and the
media simply can't face the truth about these cases. You know,
I I don't I don't like saying that, you know,

(12:06):
but but that's the conclusion I've been forced to come to.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well, sin, since we have the King anniversary coming up?
Why don't we touch on Oh? Oh really, what there
was April? Oh my April, my god. You're right, we're
in May.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Too many shows.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I got a very busy life, you're right, Oh, I
got okay, the whole summer stay. Okay, that's why it's
one hundred degrees outside. Okay. Why don't we start off
with this, Why don't you give us the official.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Version of what happened with the Martin Luther King assassination,
and then we'll get into all the flaws in it, all.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Right, Okay. The the official version is that James Olray
shot ching from across the street at a place called
Bessie's Boarding House, above a place called Jims Grill. He
got off one shot, was a direct hick through his cheek,

(13:12):
all right, and that killed King all right. And then
what happened is that Ray managed to escape. He went
through both the southern and the northern areas of the
United States, went to Canada, all right, and then left

(13:36):
from Canada to England. He visited Portugal, Lisbon, all right,
and then he was finally caught at Heathrow Airport all right,
approximately two months after the King assassination. All right. And
then the official story has him being extra guided back

(13:57):
to Tennessee and and he uh pled guilty to a
life sentence. Now that's the official story.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
What caused okay, what caused the way to become a suspect?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Can you say that again?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
What caused James Lray to become the suspect?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh? Okay? Because this is kind of weird, you know,
because just saying this makes me chuckle. The official story
says that as Ray was running down the stairs after
the assassination, he dropped a piece of like a duffel

(14:41):
bag all right, on the in the foyer of a
novelty store, okay, at the base of the stairs. And
this included several of the items that were in his possession,
including the rifle that he used to kill King all right, right,

(15:05):
and so then that's how you know they traced it, okay,
And because he had purchased a rifle about I think
a day or two before, all right, And so that's
how that's what was the Now your listeners might think.
And actually the late Mark Lane actually said this. You know,

(15:27):
you know, if James o'reay did that, he should be
found not guilty by reason of insanity. All right, and
later turned out, and this is one of the big
chinks in the armor of the story that the guy
who ran the novelty store on the first floor, a

(15:48):
guy named Guy Kenipe, he said that that duffel bag
was dropped ten minutes before King was killed. All right.
So and so that's the excuse for pursuing Ray and
making him a suspect. All right. Now, that's the official story.

(16:13):
That's the official story. That's that's the one that the
state came to. The conclusion that the state came to.
There is, in addition to what I just said about
dropping the duffel bag before the shot rang out. You know,
there's several other things that are wrong. Well, let's put
it this way that seems suspect about that story. You know.

(16:37):
For example, there's the problem of there was no real
identification of Ray being in the place where the state
said the fatal shot it came from. That was supposed
to be a communal bathroom at this Bessie's boarding house.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
The state could not find a witness that put Ray
in that bathroom at the proper time. So they enlisted
a guy named Charlie Stevens, who was falling down drunk
at the time, and they brought essentially bribed him with
the promise of a reward. Okay. And there were two

(17:26):
witnesses that said that Charlie Stevens was dead drunk and
couldn't identify anybody at the time of the king assassination.
All right. There's also there's also a major problem with
the fact that if you take a look at the

(17:49):
actual scene where they say the shot came from a
French magazine about a year after the King assassination, center
reporter there to try and duplicate the position that you
would have to be in to go ahead and take
that shot, and they came to the conclusion that you'd

(18:13):
have to be standing on the rim of one of
those old fashioned bathtubs. I don't know if you're old
enough to remember those things.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I actually am. Yeah, my grandmother had.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Okay, you know, so you know, and then you would
have to bend over, okay, and then stick the rifle,
you know, on a window sill. In other words, it
be a very very difficult shot to get off, all right. Okay,
So that's another problem, all right. Now, the other problem

(18:45):
is that there's several other witnesses who say that the
shot really didn't come from there. It actually came from
the bushes below King, all right, you know, and so
and Earl Caldwell a famous reporter for the New York Times,
and he has a very good article which we linked

(19:07):
to in the new section of Kennedys and King dot com.
You know, he has a very because he was in
Memphis at that time, you know, covering King for the
New York Times. And you know, he came to the
conclusion that the shot came from the bushes below King.
Now you want to hear something really weird. The next morning,

(19:32):
the city sent out a crew to go ahead and
chop down those bushes. Okay, Now, isn't that kind of weird?
You know, the day after King is killed, you know,
and you have nothing better to do than send your
landscaping crew out to you know, in the city the

(19:53):
size of Memphis. Okay, all right, and so, but it's
that's what really happened. It was really chopped down. You
have to eliminate the hubery there.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
In the middle of an active crime scene.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Right right, all right. Now, there's there's some other things
that there's never been any proof that Ray knew that
King was going to be in that room. Okay, there's
never been any proof of that, So how did he know?
That's a very interesting question. You know. There's also the

(20:29):
fact that what was King doing there? What was King
doing there? Well, King had been there about a week
and a half prior, involved in citation workers dispute, all right.
And it turns out that that sanitation workers demonstration ended

(20:53):
up going a little bit haywire because of a group
of guys called the Invaders, all right, And this was
like a imitation Black Panthers group that caused a provocation,
and there were windows broken and some looting that took place,
all right, And they had to get King out of

(21:15):
there so we wouldn't get hurt. So he didn't feel
very good about that. So we decided to come back
to Memphis a few days later to make amends. Now,
two very interesting things happen in the interim. Number One,
the FBI starts putting out stories that King is staying

(21:39):
at a wide owned hotel, all right, and so King
decides to switch his hotel to a hotel owned by
an African American called the Lorraine, all right. So number one,

(21:59):
he gets more moved into this different hotel. Number two,
the detail of black policeman who had been his regular
protection were not allowed to guard him on this trip
for whatever reason, all right. And then number three, someone

(22:24):
and to this day nobody knows who it was, somebody
switched his original room with the Lorraine, okay, which was
going to be originally facing inside the hotel a courtyard view,
and they switched it to a second floor balcony. Now,

(22:48):
I don't have to tell you why that's so important, right,
because he wouldn't have been on that second story balcony.
He couldn't have been shot like that, you know. So
those are all Oh, and I forgot the uh, probably
the most important thing. The guy who was the leader
of this the invaders. All right, there's a famous photograph

(23:15):
of King dying on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel,
and the leader of that group, a guy named Meryl McCullough,
has pointed over to where they think that he thinks
a shot came to from. It later turned out that

(23:36):
Meryl McCullough was an undercover police agent for the local
Memphis Police. He then went on to join the CIA. Wow,
all right, now, you being a private investigator, I don't

(23:57):
have to tell you how important something like that is,
you know, right if.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
The witnesses, Yeah, if the witness is working undercover for
the cops, that that could be a problem. This might
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Okay, welcome back to the Opperman Report. We're here with
James Dugenio Kennedy'sandking dot com is this website. The new
book is called The JFK Assassinations, The Evidence Today, and
it's co written by Oliver Stone.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
No, he actually wrote the forward forward, okay, but it
was actually his idea to come out with the book
at this time. He really loves this book, all right.
It's one of his three favorite books on the JFK case,
and the other two being JFKN The Unspeakable by Jim
Douglas and the second edition of Destiny Betrayed, which I

(29:22):
publish I think in twenty twelve. But he really really
likes this book, all right.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Okay, excellent, and I hope we can get you back
a couple of times to really flesh out these stories.
But just imagine James the old way. He checks into
this flophouse and he's got it. He doesn't know when
King's going to be walking down that balcon He has
no idea within hours, you know, maybe an hour window.
He's got to wait in this public bathroom, up on
top of a stilt there, up on top of his tub,

(29:49):
a flophouse.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
They're all in there, they're all drinking. All these guys drink.
They got to use the bathroom every half hour, right,
you know what I mean. It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Right, So you don't know who's waiting on side that door,
you know, and you're supposed to be running outside the
door with a rifle in your hands. You know, it's
a very silly story, you ask me.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, do you think sometimes they just want to push
it in your face and just tell you, hey, look
what we did.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, I wouldn't quite go that far, but it's let's
put it this way. You know, anybody who studies these
cases understands after a relatively short period of time that
the official story in all of them is simply not
very credible, you know, And to continue with if you

(30:41):
want to take more a few more minutes on the
please please all right, See, we're almosto supposed to believe.
James o'ray, when he escaped to Canada, went to the
city of Toronto, and he somehow managed to get four

(31:06):
false identities, and the four false identities all belonged to
four men who bared a super official resemblance to him.
That is, heir, skin tone, eye color, and they all

(31:26):
lived within a five mile radius of each other in
the city of Toronto, a city that Ray had never
been in before. Now, how do you do something like that?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
That would be state level.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's mind boggling, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, that would be stating.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think even back in those days, a driver's license
database didn't have your picture on it, so it would
be it would be.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Really hard to believe how an average ordinary person could
pull something up that off, you know, all right, And
nobody has ever been able to explain.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
How the heck he did that? All right, So he
stays in this rented room up in Toronto, a city
never been before. One day, an unidentified man comes to
his door, gives him a thick envelope, and within twenty

(32:26):
four hours he's checked out of the room and he
buys a ticket to London, all right. He flies to London,
all right, takes a couple of visits across the pond,
I think, two of them to live in Portugal, all right.
And by this time the FBI is finally tracked down,

(32:49):
you know, one of the aliases that he's using, and
he gets caught at Heathrow airport. All right, then he
gets extra guided back to Memphis. And his original attorneys
was a father son team, I think if they were

(33:11):
Arthur and James Haynes, and they were both very interested
in mounting a vigorous defense because they had found out
about this guy Gus Canipe, who had who had seen
the Duffel bag dropped in the foyer of his store

(33:34):
before the shop rang out, which would have been a
very good witness of course, for James o'ray. And so
they were going to go ahead and defend him at
a full trial. They had even refused a plea bargain.
All right, I'm sure you understand how to listeners understand

(33:55):
what that means, right, Okay, they refused a plea bargain.
The state was going to say over thirteen years. You know,
back in those days, if you got thirteen years, that
meant you spent about half the time. All right, So
Ray would have been out in about six and a
half years. All right. Well, they refused that, and James
o'ray refused that. Then what Ray says, he then made

(34:20):
the worst mistake he ever made in his life. All right,
he said he made the worst mistake he ever made
his life. He had a dispute with his attorney, all right.
He wanted to take the stand. His attorney did not
want to take the stand. And by the way, that's
a very common if you've ever been in the legal system.

(34:40):
Most of the time, defense attorneys don't want their client
to take the stand. Only if you have to, there's
no if there's no other way to mount your case,
because you know, one mistake and prosecuting his attorneys, they're
experts at asking you trick questions, all right. You know,
you flob up once you know and you're convin all right.

(35:01):
So they didn't want him to take the stand. They
didn't think they needed him. So this high faluting lawyer
from Texas, one of the most famous lawyers of his time,
Percy Foreman, somehow gets involved in the King case. He
says that it was really Ray who wrote him a letter,

(35:23):
but he was never able to in the entire life
produce the letter. And Ray says, I never wrote Percy
Foreman a letter, all right. He wanted to get involved
with the case. He told him that he could get
a very good verdict for him, that he would fight
the case, etc. And that he'd go through all the materials,
and well, to make a long story short, he didn't

(35:45):
do any of that stuff. And once he got James
o'ray to sign on the dotted line, all right, what
happened was that he commenced to sell out his client, right,
And he was getting paid by this famous writer, William
Bradford Hughey, who would also already written a couple of

(36:06):
articles on the case and for Look magazine, and was
preparing a book on the case, all right, And so
he was going to make something like about one hundred
thousand dollars, which back then you understand, is more like
about eight hundred thousand dollars today, you know, And and
for doing very little or nothing. And that's what he did.

(36:27):
And he at the end, when Ray did not want
to settle, did not want to, you know, have a
have a plea all right. Foreman essentially threatened both him
and his brothers okay, into going ahead and taking the settlement,
which amounted to a guilty plea, a recitation of the

(36:49):
chargers and so called evidence, all right, and in return
for avoiding the electric chair, all right. Well, and that's
what happened. There was no defense, There was no trial,
all right, and so within three days of that recitation

(37:10):
in court, James o'ray wrote a letter to the judge,
a guy named Preston Battle, saying, I did not cop
to that plea willingly. I would like you to reconsider
my case and if you can believe this that it

(37:33):
really happened. As Preston Battle had his letter on his
desk with a pen in his hand, he had a
heart attack and he died, and he died literally with
his head on the letter. You know, So by Tennessee

(37:54):
law at that period of time we're talking nineteen sixty eight,
if dash happened, then the defendant was supposed to be
automatically granted a new trial. But that didn't happen in

(38:16):
this case. The law was not executed, all right, and
so he didn't get a new trial, all right. And
so this ended up being one of the very many
pieces of bad fortune that James Olray had right now.

(38:36):
Later on, later on, many years later, we flashed forward
to the nineties, of course, and then there was this
famous actually finding kind of well done. Most of these
televised mark trials they don't like, but the one in
the James Olray case, they actually spent a lot of
money on that, and they actually did a good job
on it, all right, and his attorney, William Pepper, got

(39:00):
him acquitted there. Then they filed a civil suit, all right,
the King family filed a civil suit, and the jury
came back with a verdict that it was that Ray
didn't do it, that it was really a conspiracy, all right.
And so that's probably what would have happened if James

(39:24):
Olray would have actually been granted the real trial in
the first place. All right. So that's a that's a
brief summary of the King which we were supposed to be.
That was supposed to be last month. Of course, the
next month is a Robert Kennedy assassination, and you'll probably
want to want me back for that one, all right, absolutely, Yeah,

(39:46):
So I guess we can talk a little bit about
my book the JFK Assassination, Uh the evidence today all right?
Now that uh this this book was written as a
response to Vincent Bugliosi, the late Vincent Bugliosi, he died

(40:06):
about a year ago. Who decided the celebrity attorney who
wrote a whole bunch of books about can I think
if I remember correctly, And he decided to write a
book about the John F. Kennedy case, which was called
Reclaiming History, and that book if you can believe it,

(40:32):
but it's true. If you add up the whole thing
that is between the text and the CD that comes
with the book, it comes to twenty six hundred and
forty six pages. Now, and that's not the worst of it.
The worst of it. It's an oversized book, all right.
It's not a standard sized book. It's an oversized book,

(40:54):
all right. Now. I was probably one of the very
few people in the whole country who actually read the
whole book because the only way you can read that
book is you have to be sitting at a desk,
you know, with the book off to your left reading it.

(41:15):
Then you put the CD in your computer, and there's
two files on the CD. Right, the two files on
the CD, there's one that's the actual references, that is
his source notes to where he got information in the text,
and the other part is additions to the text, and

(41:38):
there's more material. So that's how you come up with
the twenties six hundred and forty six pages. And I
was probably one of the I'd probably see there may
be less tend people in the whole country who read
the whole entire book. But that's the way, you know.
And I was very surprised at just how poor the
book really was and how mendacious it was, and what

(42:04):
I mean by that. In the beginning of the book,
Gliosi writes that he is going to present the arguments
of the critics of the One Report as they would
want to have them presented, not as he would before

(42:24):
he invalidated them. I was very surprised he wrote that,
because there's one thing I know about this case is
that if you present both sides equally or fairly, the
War Commission side is not going to win. You know,
you just can't do that, all right, And being a

(42:48):
prosecuting attorney like he was, he would never do something
like that. So I pointed out in this book time
after time after time where he did not do what
he said he was going to do. Right, literally, I
must have done it at the minimum. In twenty five

(43:11):
instances throughout the book. For example, there's a matter of
Jack Ruby's polygraph. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Very little?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Okay. Jack Ruby, of course, is a guy who walked
in on Sunday morning to the basement of Dallas Police
headquarters and killed Oswald, all right, And he of course
was immediately apprehended, and while he was awaiting trial, the

(43:44):
Warrant Commission interviewed him and he said he would like
to have a polygraph exam, all right, And so the
FBI sent out a polygraph expert and they went ahead
and they did a long polygraph test, and the polygraph

(44:04):
experts said that Jack Ruby passed the test and he
was not in any way involved with Oswald or the
Kenny assassination. And people on the other side have always
used this to go ahead and say, we'll see, there's
really nothing to this. Well, in nineteen seventy eight, the
House Left Committee on Assassinations appointed a five man team

(44:31):
in which they went through Jack Ruby's polygraph exam. They
made approximately fourteen different arguments of why that polygraph has
no validity. The technician broke that many rules when he

(44:54):
conducted the test. One of them is that you're only
supposed to ask at the most sixteen questions at the
very most, like eighteen, all right, Well, this one asks
over fifty, all right. And the point is that if

(45:15):
you do that, then if the guy's lying, he gets
used to lying and the indications don't show up, and
the physiological indications are breathing pulse rate and one other thing.

(45:38):
It's called a GSR galvanic skin response, and a lot
of polygraph technicians think that this is the most important
one because it does things like measure it's so sensitive
that it to measure if somebody's blushing or not. All right,

(45:58):
this other guy did on that one on the GA
he set the power down to twenty five percent of
full volume at the beginning. You're supposed to then raise
it as the test goes. He lowered it, all right,
And they came to the conclusion that that whole GSR
part of the test absolutely worthless, all right. But they

(46:21):
did say that they found a terrible mistake in what
this guy did because he misread his charts and there
was a point where they think Ruby was actually lying
and this guy's test managed to cover it up.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So now when you look at Bugliosi's book, it's very
obvious he read that, but he only points out two
criticisms and he leaves out the whole thing about the
galvanic skin response. All right, So this is what I mean,

(47:00):
this is what he did. This is, you know, and
you know, to me, we've had enough of these kind
of books, and there's enough of these commentators who all
they want to do is Dilley deally around with the
facts of the Kennedy case. You know, we don't need
that kind of stuff anymore. So that's one of the

(47:20):
reasons that I wrote the book. Then the latter part
of the book is about Tom Hanks, and to a
less cer, euxstanced Steven Spielberg because Hanks bought the right
the rights to Bugliosi's book, and he came out with this,
I think, a pretty terrible picture called Parkland, which bombed,

(47:45):
all right.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Yeah, that was horrible. Yeah, I didn't even know. I
didn't even know that he was behind that.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yes, yeah, that was Tom Hanks, all right. And so
that movie was so bad that I decided to take
a look at Tom Hanks in history and a couple
of other movies, for example, where Charlie Wilson's War, and

(48:12):
this last movie he produced was The Post, which is
supposed to be about the Pentagon papers.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
So the latter part of the book deals with that part.
You know, Tom Hanks, you know, And I came to
the conclusion, Tom Hanks is one of the worst amateur
historians you know that is going around, and he's he
has a tendency to make false narratives and then impose
false heroes upon these stories, you know, And you know

(48:48):
it's one reason I believe is I believe culture is
very important to the way a country operates. If that's
the kind of culture you have, you know, that might
explain to us why we're in such a mess today. Yeah, okay,
and so that's that's what the that's what the third
part of the book is about. All right?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Well, do you think that's by accident?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
The way? I have to say that Amazon actually has
the book dealing in the category of media studies, you know,
because I guess they thought the third part of the
book was the most important part of the book, all right,
and so that's why they classified it in that area.
All right, But you can go ahead and get it
an Amazon or Barnes and Noble or at Skyhorse Publishing.

(49:34):
All Right, the jfk assassination the evidence.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Today, do you think that's by accident?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
If you have got like Hanks who's rewriting history and
all these major huge budget films and like over and
over and over again.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I well, you know, I don't know what to make
of that. I really don't, and I really think that
it's because one of the things I pointed out in
the book is that Hanks and spiel considered themselves history buffs.
All right, Well, Tom Hanks never graduated from college. Spielberg

(50:09):
never graduated from college, but he went back later when
he was a very successful movie director, you know, and
he did finish his college credits. So they're not the
kind of people who will do a lot of the
hard work that you need to be doing, you know,
in order to produce a good historical film, you know.

(50:29):
And his track record so far of the three films
I did deal with, you know, those three films I
just named is very very poor. You know. We don't
need to have any more false heroes, you know, on
this screen in this country. I mean, you know, to
make a movie about the Pentagon papers, and to deal

(50:53):
with Daniel Ellsberg in about fifteen minutes of a two
hour movie, and to try and make heroes out of
k Graham and Ben Bradley, I mean, please, I mean,
you know, give me a break. Daniel Ellsberg and his
partner Tony Russo who smuggled the Pentagon Vapers out of

(51:15):
the corporation and faced criminal charges. They could have gone
to jail for one hundred and forty five years. All right,
those are the real heroes of the Pentagon Paper's case,
you know. So that's why I have I have a
big problem with Tom Hanks.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
It also shocked me to at the end of the
movie they didn't even mention that it was E. Howard
Hunt and then went in and broke in and broke
into a psychiatrist's office. You think this would be significant,
you know.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
They never mentioned that part of the story, and.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Like not even in the little line at the end,
you know, with the little descriptions that they had at
the end, there there's nothing.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yeah, well we're pretty much out of time. You got
another book coming up to about the uh rfk.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh, that's not actually me, that's a friend of mine.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Also Peace, I wrote the introduction for that that's coming
out a few months down the line, and I can
if you want to interview her, I can arrange you
do that for you.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I would love that. I would love that.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
But tell me tell the audience of how they can
find you how they can get a hold of you
and what do you have coming on?

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay, well, so just go to the website kennedysanking dot com.
We have an email thing there if you want to
get in contact with me and the book. Like I said,
you can get on Amazon and I'll be doing a
few of these radio spots you know, you know, in
the next couple of weeks through my publisher. But I'm

(52:41):
also a regular guest on something called black Op Radio
out of Vancouver about every other week if you if
you want to listen to me.

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Speaker 1 (52:52):
What night is that on Thursday night?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
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James and Dougenio, thank you so much.

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But you're right on ere sure my pleasure.

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Speaker 4 (57:34):
Just finished with James Dougenio talking about his book JFK Assassination.
The Evidence Today that forward written by Oliver Stone, I'll
talk about the MLK Martin Luther King assassination. I gotta
have him back. We gotta give him back for a
full two hours at least, because there's so much with
the Martin Luther King assassination.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
First of all, Judge Joe Brown was the judge in
that civil suit that the King family sued, and it
was ruled that it was Judge Joe Brown from the
TV show Judge Joe That guy.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Okay, and also too, the whole thing surrounding James Olray's
escape from prison I'm always suspicious about prison escapes, especially
by high profile people and stuff like that, because it's
not that easy to escape from prison. You got to
have help.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
You have to have help on the outside, you have
to have help on the inside. It doesn't just happen, okay.
And he had a very well constructed ladder made out
of plumbing pipe.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
That escape was. There's a lot more to it and
needs to be examined. We need they're examiner that escape.
And also to his brother, A lot of people don't
talk about this. His brother was the head of the
KKK James Old Way and that's pretty much glossed over
to and most recountings of the Martin Luther King assassination
so big thanks to James Dougenio.

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back and I'm gonna introduce his friend there. I think
it was Lisa pas Piece Lisa Pears.

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About the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, because it's always into
that one too as well. There's a lot of good
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