May Pang : John Lennon's Lost Weekend

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I'm gonna be talking about a little bit more about
that any after show, because tonight we have a historic figure.

(01:42):
I know I've been promising this for two years, and
I keep my promises. Okay, we have may Pang.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Okay, I was gonna
do a drum roll.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Wait a minute, Okay, drum I have those sound effects
he or anything like that. But May Pang a piece
of history, the girlfriend of John lenn And she worked
for both John Lennon and and you're going on a
part of so many historic songs and recordings. She's receiving
an award this weekend on Monday night, November ninth. Uh,

(02:20):
it's gonna be She's gonna be the Ambassador of rock
and roll, the Ambassador of Rock Award. And it's at
one fifty eight Bleiker Street in New York City. And
you can get your tickets if you go to Rockers
on Broadway dot Com. It's at what's this space called
letpos on the.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Pison Rouge Rouge. Yeah. I think I believe you said
you were in New York at one point, and I
believe this was like the village Gate if you go
back that far.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I remember, Yeah, I'm from I lived on Bleika Street.
I lived at Ype headquarters at nine Bleaker Street.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
There you go, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh how cool? Yeah. So they've changed since since you
were last here.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know what, it breaks my heart going back to
New York, especially down Bleaker Street because it's it's changed
so much.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, New York has changed a lot. Oh, we have
a crane's hanging overhead.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
You're snow in Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
No, No, I live outside. I've lived outside of New
York City for years because raising the kids. My ex
husband at the time just did not think he wanted
some place that we didn't have to deal with all
of this. And you know, New York City, the apartments
are small, unless you know, unless what I call if
you have steel and Spieldberg money, you know, or Trump money,

(03:38):
that you could get those giant, giant sized apartments.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's so expensive, that's so true. Now I think I
detect in your voice a queen's accent. Did you grow
up in Queen?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
No, not at all. I was. You know, I have
a mixture now to be a lot better than this.
But I grew up in Spanish haarlem Oh really, I
grew up in the Bronx.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
That was a Soundbeway avenue between Saint Lawrence and Soundview
and the number six train line. Right, they're on Crows Avenue.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Sixth train. That's exactly the sixth train. They're expanding, and
now we have they've been expanding for ages, but the
Second Avenue line, I mean they're finally building that, and
things that are collapsing all around. I don't know. I
mean it took them this long to finally build a
second avenue. Yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
And they say that those apartments over there are going
to go through the roof when they finish those, when
they put in those subway stations.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Absolutely, because it's right there, right okay then you know,
and on Second Avenue all up and down, it's just
going to be right there. So for people who come
to Manhattan, that's exactly it. You know, transportations that you
don't worry about getting into a car. Yeah, twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah I didn't. I didn't learn to drive to I
was twenty five years old. Okay, but now let me
ask you this now, because first I got one question
for you. Now, when you become the Ambassador of Rock, well,
you have like diplomatic community and those kind of a
diplomat plates and stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I wish, I wish. I doubted it good always reserves
for the diplomats and that is not me.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
But you gotta be you gotta be excited about this.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Right, I'm excited. I'm very honored by this. When they
approached me and uh, they wanted to give it to me,
you know, they called me up. I was. I was
really as the as the Brits would say. I was
chuffed by that. You know. It's it's really it was amazing.
You know, a lot of people don't realize I've been
in this business, in the music business for so many years.

(05:28):
I started a long time ago, you know, I started
before I met mister Lennon. So it's uh, it's it's
it was great, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
And one more thing. At this Ambassador of Rock award
at the Rockers on Broadway dot Com, who else is
being honored that night that I see Debris, Deborah.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Deborah Gibson, I have. I love Deborah and and I'm
really sorry that her drummer who is who is now
Billy Ammondola, who is an associate editor of Modern Drum magazine.
He happens, of course, the two of us me ended
up getting the award, and he happens to be doing
work and he's out at the Rock and Roll Fantasy

(06:08):
camp out in La So he's upset. So he said,
I can't believe him out there while you girls are here.
I said, well, better luck next time for something else.
But you know, hi, Billy, That's all I can say.
And Chris his wife, Yes, Debra is receiving a Lifetime
Achievement award, and you know she's great. I saw Deborah

(06:31):
last year when we were both at Chiller Convention, the
Chiller Theater convention, and she was in another room. I
went to see her. It was great. You know, none
for a while.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
So if people come to this award summony, what can
I expect that on drinks and dancing music by music,
they're going.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
To see a show by all these Broadway actors, A
lot of them are Broadway actors and they are going
to be singing and the theme this year is Eighties
rewind so you can imagine. I don't even know what
they pro I don't even I haven't been down there
to see it. They're preparing, they're singing. They they got
it all down.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well that's great man, congratulations and the Ambassador of Rock.
I have the Ambassador of Rock on my show.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It'll be fun. It'll be fun. And you know, people,
the money, the money they raise gets donated to the
path fun. It's for the performers and every and everybody
involved in that needs the help and uh the benefit.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Everybody needs he business forget it.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, especially the people behind the scenes. Uh, you know,
the the all the different people that the help make
things work. You know, in the entertainment world, it's it's, uh,
all the different people, and you know, we all need help.
This is not the it's not as flushed for everybody.
And you know, whether it be their health, whether it

(07:51):
be something else.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, so many people for Hardist community, they do
it for the art.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's the whole largest community and it was started by
Donnie are. Donnie curR is one of the main people
and Donnie uh was an original performer for New Jersey Boys,
and he was also in the movie.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh Get Out of Here. Okay, that's very cool.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, yeah, I love Donnie. That's great.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
So, Madam ambassador, my first question for you, okay, is
I listened to all your interviews that are available on YouTube. Okay,
oh yeah, kind of. Let me tell you this is
good stuff. You're you're a historic figure. But they all
start with you walking into It's Arnie Klein's office, No Alan,
Alan client. Okay, So take us before that, growing up Maypeg,

(08:36):
growing up in New York City. What did your parents
do for a living? What were you like as a kid,
what what were you hoping to do?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, you know, my my parents, you know, I'm the
first born in this country. Both my parents are from
China and and you know, my mother opened up a laundry,
and you know, in the in the old days, the
laundry was people would bring their their shirts down and
you get you know, the Chinese laundry, and they they

(09:05):
they sent it out, get it, you know, get it ironed,
and it's come back in a brown paper wrapper, and
you know it's all it's all done up nice and
my father did the same thing, but he did a factory.
My mother and father couldn't work together. It was horrible.
They would definitely mismatch. And then you know, and and

(09:25):
I grew up and my mother did not like to
live in Chinatown. She felt that it was just too
too dirty. And it still is. It's still filthy, uh
streets and everything at night. So whoops, whatever felt so
so it just turned around that that that's what went on.

(09:46):
And I and I grew up in in uh in
Spanish Harlem Harlem and Spanish Harlem.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So now were you're planning on going into the music industry, probably.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
That, well, you know what, music saved me. And I
say that all the time because music was one of
those things where when my when my parents would argue
or things. When I was very young, I just liked
listening to music. And you know, you had the radio,
you had all these different people. You know, my cousin Bruce,

(10:16):
he was on Murray the Ka, you know, and and
you American Bandstand to Clark, I mean, I when I
was able to, when I met him, I actually said
that to him. I said, you know, American Bandstand saved
my saved my soul. I would come home from school
and watch the show all the time. It was great,

(10:37):
just it. It really was a big part of my life.
I didn't go out, I didn't fit in. I was
like the only Chinese family, maybe two Chinese family and
in several miles, and you know, I didn't fit in
with everybody else. They all thought I was a little nuts,
you know, because I like music so much. But that
was something I really loved and and it was great,

(11:00):
it was it was wonderful and to be uh, to
listen to that music. And I just always wanted to
know who wrote the songs. So I was very into
the uh, the songwriters, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
So then it was absolutely fat that when you walked
into that building, because I heard the story you went
first to a Japanese bicycle store.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I know, I was, you know, in the early days
they had UH And then I keep saying the early days,
and it's because it's so much has changed. But they
had agencies. So I quit, I quit college and I
and I went to this agency. They said what could
you do? And I said, well, I can answer the phone,
and that was about it. And it turned out that

(11:43):
they sent me to this place. It was a bicycle
Japanese bicycle company figured well, with no you know, I
with no experience, I could at least answer the phone,
take down a message, and uh, I know that. After
I had the interview, I walked at it and I
shook my head and I said, I'm not going to
get it. So I walked out and I met my girlfriend.

(12:08):
I told her where I was having my interview, and
she was reading the directory and she just happened to
say to me, you know what's in this building? And
I said what? And she goes Apple Records. And I
looked at it. I said, Apple Records. Beatles Apple Records.
You know? That bell went off and I looked at
the directory and sure enough, there it was Alan Klein.

(12:30):
I recognized the name, but I didn't not really know
who he was. And I saw Apple Records. So I
immediately got into the elevator and went up to the
forty first floor and my girlfriend said to me, I said,
she goes, where are you going? I said, I'm going upstairs.
I'm gonna go and ask them for a job. And
she said to me, are you crazy? I said, what

(12:53):
is the harm? They Either they're going to tell me
yes or no, and if it's no, I'm no worse
off than where I am right now. And that's how
it started. And you know, and I went up there,
and I it was like I think I had an
angel watching over me, because the girl who was at
the front desk said there were no job openings. And

(13:16):
I stood there for a few minutes, and then just
at that moment, these doors opened and all these people
started coming out, And as I was waiting for the elevator,
and she just happened to yell out, this lady's looking
for a job. Are there any openings? And this guy
turns around and says, I might have something come back

(13:36):
to me after lunch. And that's how it started.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Well, shure, they see this beautiful woman standing in front
of him.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I don't think I was what they saw. You know,
I didn't look I don't you know, I don't I
don't think I looked anything. Probably looked a little shy.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Every picture I've seen you look beautiful. But now what
were you going to college for?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
You dropped out retail marketing? Really?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, you know another thing too that people must be shocked,
because I know the first time I ever heard it
was about two years ago when I first tried to
get you on the show, and you promised to come
on two years ago. When I first saw you on YouTube,
I was expecting you to have a thick accent like Yokoh.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, you know, not me. I'm I'm an American born
Yoko was born in Tokyo. So we're a little we're
a little different here. Yeah. So but you know, you
just assume, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
John Lennon's girlfriend, his wife, they're both the Asian, you know,
and she's Chinese Japanese.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
You just assume, you know, and the assumption is always wrong.
I will tell you about that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
This thick New York accent, you know, I dot Street,
I do have it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
And yet and yet when I was living in England,
you would not have known that. I grew up. I
went to Catholic school. The nuns used to beat that
into it's over the years, and I realized that the years,
when you when you talk to people in the business,
a lot of them have this heavy New York accent.
And I remember going to college and it was in Brooklyn,

(15:10):
and I would say certain words and they go, what
And I realized, and I'm saying it, but what it was?
They didn't recognize the accent. I had a very proper
you know, New York, New York because I grew up
with nouns, so they made you speak properly. So I
didn't have this thick, uh, Brooklyn or Bronx accent. So

(15:32):
it was just kind of weird. And I started to
change because you end up not speaking like everybody else
out in the world.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Now I hear. Yeah. I grew up in a Catholic
school too, in the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You know how they what did you go? Cardinal Hayes
or someplace.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I know my sister went to Cardinal Spellman and so
did her husband. But and uh, because high school, I
was to stand out by high school. But in grammar
school it is a pleasant sacrament. Can't beat you avnyoga,
now you.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Know what it's like. The nuns will beat that into you.
You can't. You know. I don't say aunt, I say oh,
I don't. You know. There's certain words that they they
they get you for, you know. So that's how I
was taught, so I don't so it sticks with you.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Some of the worst fits in my life ors Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Know that one very well. And it turned out years
later where I went to grammar school is where James
Cagney was an ULTI boy. Yeah. What happened was when
he died. You know, they did the whole wake and
the funerals, and they was saying it. I remember had
my back, uh you know with the TV said you know,

(16:40):
and I had my back to it. And they said, oh,
he was an older boy at Saint Francis. And I thought,
can't be, just can't be mine, cannot be. And I
turned around and there was there's the church. I recognized
the front and I'm like, oh my goodness. And then
there's a street where I used to live and now

(17:01):
it's James Cagney Way or James Cagney Place or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Very cool, you know that the Supreme Court justice. I
think so of my she went to my busy sacrament
where I went to a bus the sacrament to a
grammar scho sacrament.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Sure. I mean I remember all these schools. If people
don't realize in New York City, all these Catholic schools,
and you know, they would play the girls would have.
I went to Old Girls School and they had what
is it basketball, intramural basketball. We played against all these
all these different cathedral highs. Right, Yeah, And the only

(17:37):
reason I went to Catholic School was because that was
the best school in the area and my mother recognized that. Yeah,
so that's how that's how I ended.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Up going there, the safest schools to go to.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
You. Yes, and at that time, and believe me, by
the time you graduate, I was you know, we were
far ahead in reading and all these these other things
and all the different subjects. It was. It was good,
you know what. I look back and I and I
think it's good.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
We got through it.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Right. There was that without me, you know, getting beaten
up with the rule on my hand. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now you went to work over at Apple Records. Now,
how many years were you working for John and Yoko
as our assistant?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I started, I would say, by the time I moved
them into I got all this stuff. They found the
apartment and I started moving this stuff. It was I've
been working with them three years at that point. Okay,
so three years.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And then the story is that you were you were
living with them, right No.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
No, no, no, no, no. In Manhattan, I had my
own apartment. I was, you know, I worked very long hours.
But no, I didn't live with them.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
No, no, no, no, oh wait a second, because now I
heard you say that you started this job, you're making
ninety bucks a week. They gave you a huge raise
that you could afford a place.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I finally I got my own place I had. I
remember Don saying to me, he's still living at home.
I said, yes, so don't you think you should be
getting your own place? And I said, you know, and
I you know, I was at that point thinking, yeah,
you know, he's right. And my mother and I would
argue a lot, and then, you know, I love my

(19:20):
I loved my mother. But the thing was, you know,
there comes a point when you're just nothing's agreed. So
I wanted to move out. My mother said, sure, go ahead.
The minute I did that, she was, why did you
do that? You know? And I got my own apartment
when I was the one when I was twenty one,
and it was great. It was great feeling to be

(19:41):
to be on my own, and but it was I
was never there. I mean, when they moved into the
Saint Regius Hotel in seventy one, it was it was
strange because I couldn't I couldn't go home. I was
working till very late hours to the point that I
had a room at the hotel and I'm only ten

(20:04):
minutes from there, so it's just it's just you just
never got home. And so I would wake up in
the morning and my door people would be knocking. We
had we had the film crew because they were making
the what we call the the Imagine film. You know,
besides you see the Imagine for the video for the song,

(20:24):
but the actual film was called Imagine. So it's all
these vignettes and and they were still filming, and they
were editing and filming and editing, and and every every
morning I would get the knock on the door and
I would get one of the film crew people. My

(20:45):
My room became the the you know, everybody let everybody
come in and just hang out. And I'm like, I
would always tell everyone, can you just like give me
a break for a second. I got to get dressed.
Nobody was letting me do.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
My job, you know, in one of the anty get dressed.
At least I couldn't get dressed.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I mean I was in my I was still in
my PJ. Everybody's knocking on the door. I would have
like six or eight people in my bedroom in that
one room for breakfast to be like pole, wait, can
you want to some food? Can you do? You know?
Because they want to get ready and go in, and
nobody would go to the I was the one that

(21:26):
would open the door, you know, for Sweet and John
and Yok would be sleeping, so I would be the
one to let everybody in. But I did not want
to get anyone into that place until ten o'clock.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Okay, Now wait a minute. You were enough of an
assistant that you had access to their bedroom, walking in
and out and stuff like that, so you saw them
naked before you got to.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
No, no, no, no, no, no, not their bed. They were
in their own suite. It's in my bedroom. It's my room,
my my my hotel room. Okay, but not that they
hit Let's get that straight. That is not what I said.
They had their own suite. But what it is It
was a three room suite and one of the room

(22:08):
was used for editing. Then we had a giant living room,
and then they had their bedroom. That's the sweet and.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
They were staying at a hotel, the Saint Regis.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yes, this was in nineteen seventy one, right, So was
it expensive, I would assume, So I did not look
at the bills. Okay, you weren't paying their bills? No,
not then okay, what were.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Your daily activities? What was your daily duties for them?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Oh? God, that could be a list that could go
mile long. Every day was something different. I mean I
would have a list of things to do, you know.
When I'd get in there, I would make sure everybody was,
you know, getting in and doing what they have to do.
And then I make sure that at a certain time
that they get their breakfast right and make sure they
get up. Phones would start ringing, you know, interview would happen,

(23:00):
different things would go on, you know, and everything was different.
And then we were at that point we were getting
ready for her one woman show up in Syracuse in
nineteen seventy one, so there was a lot of stuff
to be prepared, and we were still filming for that
imagined film.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
A couple of questions now, First of all, can we
get that imagined film anywhere now?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Today?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I we want to see it.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's cut up in various forms. It's in different forms now,
so it could be it's under different titles, and it's
now in snippets of you know, it's not the one
length that it used to be it would have been.
The original concept was it was all these vignettes done
to the album Imagine and to her album fly right.

(23:50):
I heard about that. Yeah, so the two albums and
the vignettes for each of those songs. So that's what
have been the whole imagined film. And there was constantly
He's still as they were editing, they were still filming.
So I mean when we were staying at the hotel,
and I'm a very lucky girl in this case, I

(24:10):
got to meet Fred Astaire, very cool. I met Jack Palance,
so you know, they were in the film. To cave It.
I saw this one night. We had Bob Dylan and
George Harrison come over, you know, so you know it's
all these all these people in and out. So every

(24:31):
day was something different, and you're only around twenty one
years old, yeah, getting ready to be twenty one. And
then we had and in between we had the recording
we did. John decide he wanted to do this new
song that he had written called Happy Christmas. You know,
war is over. He wanted to go into the studio,

(24:52):
had to book the studio, how to get the musicians in,
how to do all that, and then and and it
was fun. And Phil Spectac came in and because he
was a co producer of it. And when you when
the original one on the forty fives, you know when
they had those sleeves, there was a picture and and
we got The photographer was Ian McMillan, who I became

(25:16):
very close and it was a good friend. Uh Ian.
Ian was the photographer that took the iconic photo of
Abbey Road. Oh really, yes, so it was It was great.
Ian and I would we would just sit down and
laugh when we had a moment for break, because we
worked so hard on so many different things and we

(25:36):
just we just go hysterical, you know. After a while,
you just go as as some of my friends would say,
Drew Lally, we could just go off.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
But when the phone would ring, you were the one
handling the phones between John Lennon and Yoko Ono and
the world. Yes, no one got through you. No, okay,
amazing that's twenty one year old kid came and you'll.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Go in it. That's what they wanted, what they got.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I just think of you know what you learned.
You don't realize you know what you no.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
No, And that's the thing that most people don't realize
is well, how much you do learn. It was an
on the job training, and believe me, I got plenty
of that. You know, I had so many different hats
on because you know, when we did the also when
we did the one to one concert, they you know,

(26:29):
we had Dan Richtor, we had a few, we had
a few assistants. I mean not but at the hotel,
I was basically the only one there. Everybody else was
out and about I'm the one stuck in the in
the hotel. But but there was Dan Richter who was
also he was the head of most of the assistant
He was the one they relied on for other things.

(26:50):
And he would live in England and he would come
in and whatever else. And and he said to me,
he says, at the garden, you're going to be the
one that's handling the backstage area. And I said, what
the backstage area? What am I supposed to do here?
He says, you take care of whatever whoever's tickets, and
you know, all the important people that have to come through,

(27:13):
and you know, give them their passes and you deal
with it. That's up to you. And as I was
dealing with that, trying to get everybody to give me
their list and who was on their list and who
was in the band. Because there was so many evans
going on in between. John and Yoko wanted me to
go to their hotel room to make sure that they

(27:34):
were okay, and then after that I would come back
and when they were doing their their last song and
give piece a chance. I remember John saying. He turned
to me and he goes, oh, man, you're gonna have
to get on stage two. I said, but I'm backstage
because I don't care. You've got to be on stage
and sing with the rest of us. So it was
a little bit of everything, and you had to make

(27:56):
it work.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Now when you were that key or playing that key
of a role. How much we're getting paid then, not
still ninety bucks?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think I was making one hundred and thirty. What
a different world, you know. Yeah, I know, that's not
a lot. It wasn't a lot. My perks were definitely
being able to eat what I want. You know, you
can order up whatever you want, and I got a
car service to take me home.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, what I mean, just imagine if you weren't me
wanted to hire an assystem like that at that level. Well,
you'd have to pay seventy thousand dollars a year they
get nowadays.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, I know, it's a total different thing, you know,
and you don't get You're not you're not getting overtime
that doesn't work. It's not one of those type of things,
so you know, but I will say I learned the
best part about this was on the job experience, and

(28:53):
you learn a lot. And you know, I mean here
I was juggling making sure that everybody got their tickets,
whoever was to get tickets, and these two people came
up to me and they said, our names are supposed
to be on the guest listen. And I'm like looking
at them, going like, wait in line with everybody else,
but who are you? And they go, oh, and you know,
you always try to be nice, don't. You can't have attitudes.

(29:15):
And that's the one thing that I noticed in this
day and age. Everybody has an attitude. You can't have that.
So I said, what's your name? They go Bobby and
Maria shreiver, Oh my god, And I said, oh, and
now I said, can you wait a second, now, let
me check. I ran back there and I said, nobody
gave me their names. And I was, I was, I

(29:36):
was screaming at whoever was on the inside, and I'm going,
I can't believe it. Now. I had to juggle and
try and figure out how I could get tickets to
give to them for their seats that nobody gave me.
So everything was allocated and I was pulling things back
and forth. You know, Like I said, it was an
experience of a lifetime and learning, you know, and and

(29:57):
and that's how you do things. And most people that
I know nowadays, you know, they come out of they
want them in college. Yeah, but you know what, college
would never have taught them what I have as knowledge.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
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chaga mushrooms?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
No? I haven't. This sounds interesting, though.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
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Speaker 1 (35:46):
Okay, I love it. I mean I really would.

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you would have heard of it. It's a mushroom tea,
and I'm definitely gonna have these guys send you some because.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'd love to try it. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Way I get your dress, I could stuck in.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Think you're great. Good.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
I got you back on here before two years, that's
for sure. Yeah, But next I'm gonna get a rested
to that.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
The next big event, I would guess is when you
started seeing that there was trouble in their marriage.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Well, you know, you you when you with people for
a great length of time, you see they don't get
along on certain things, and and you just don't say anything.
I mean, it's just part of their whatever goes on
in their life. When I go home, when I do
get to go home, if when it is a normal

(36:38):
ten to six hour day, you know, and you leave,
you just happy to go home because I don't want
to take their problems with me. It just it doesn't work.
And any of us that were working in the house,
we can all feel it, but we don't say anything.
You just you know, it's not our it's not our place.
So and then it's brought to light one morning when

(37:02):
she when Yoka approaches me to say that they were
having problems in the house. Yeah, when you know, because
at that point we were in the Dakota and she
came into my office and she says, I want to
talk to you, and I'm looking, you know, and I'm thinking, oh,
she already has things for me to do. And it's

(37:23):
only nine thirty in the morning and i haven't even
had my first cup of coffee yet, so I'm thinking,
oh goodness. And you know, she started off by telling me,
you know, she goes you know where John and I
not getting along. And I said, I'm sorry to hear that.
And she says, you know what, you don't have a boyfriend.

(37:46):
I said, that's okay, you know I don't. I said,
I'm not looking to go out with you know. By
that point, remember I've been with him for three years.
The last thing I'm thinking about is going out with somebody,
and especially John lenn never even crossed my mind. So
it was kind of a weird thing, and it was
it really was a whole other world for me. It

(38:09):
was very surrealistic, especially at nine thirty in the morning.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
So yeah, I could imagine now and I wasn't now
here's the here's the thing I want people to understand everybody,
because the way my original book was written, it gives
you the impression that whatever she said, whatever Ka said,
I should do, and that's not exactly how it happened.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
So it went differently. It was more at the end
it was John who chased after me, and then that's
because I wouldn't I wouldn't go. It was just not
something I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
What was the time period between the time she came
to you and said, hey, I want you to date
my husband and that he started and you two started
doing an attraction for each other.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I think when he started to chase after me it
was a few weeks because I refused to go. It
was just we were working on an album. I'm thinking
to myself, this is this is almost as you know,
it's almost as insane about trying to She was designing
these clothes, would cut out stuff and you know, cut
out parts, and it was insane because she says, oh,

(39:13):
I want you to model them for me. Then when
you see these, you know what she has on and
I'm thinking, I'm not doing this. So I used to
put her I used to put the drawings that she
had at the bottom of the list of things to do.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Were There are a lot of things like that with Yogo,
A lot of projects she had that were just kind
of just like the Fly on the Naked Woman.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
You know, well the Fly in the Naked that was
the first time I had ever worked with her on
something like this. And you know, the first one was
of course, up your Legs foreverwhere she wanted three hundred
and sixty five pairs of legs and they would be
donated for peace. So here I am as she gives
me her her phone book, and she says, tell them

(39:55):
you're my assistant, and that you want them to donate
your legs for peace. And you know, I'm calling up
people like Jasper John's, you know, the famous artists, and
or Jackie Kennedy or you know Andy Warholme, and you know,
people like that. I'd like to have them donate your

(40:16):
legs for peace, please. You know, there was a whole
thing I was talking, and then the next I didn't
even do it. I did not want to because it
was kind of funny because after a while we were
recruiting people even off the street. We had different people.
I was upstairs on the phone, somebody was downstairs on
the street, and when some people realized that they were

(40:39):
actually going to be filmed with John and Yoko in
the room. I mean, they didn't just take off, you know,
the bottom part. It just they went you know, they
went the whole hog. You know, they went all nude.
And when we didn't get three hundred and sixty five,
they were looking like, who didn't do it? I ran,

(41:01):
I wasn't in. I'm much more of approved than most
people would think. And then then we had this movie
that She Wants. These were these were two short documentaries
that that Yoko had come up with. The next one
was Fly and it is the following a fly around

(41:22):
the nude woman's body. So I, you know, I had
heard later on you know, I had dismissed this, but
I had heard this from someone that said, oh yeah,
you know the person they were considering to lay down
nude was you. And I'm looking at it as it

(41:44):
would never have happened. Now, how long is that movie?
How long? What the movie? I don't know because they
the first time it went out, because it went out
for the avant garde film fit them, because it was
all done in a matter of three weeks roughly. That's

(42:04):
how fast it was, you know, it was shooting it,
editing it, and showing it. It was like three weeks. And
I think the movie The Fly, I think originally they
cut it down from an hour and a half to
forty five minutes. I think I saw the forty five minutes.
I think now we have like a twenty minute version

(42:25):
of it out there. I think it's about there be
tough to sit through. Well, you know, you got to think.
You got all these flies, and we did this in
the dead of winter, so they had gotten a whole
bunch of flies in from you know, laboratories that I
guess grow them. I have no idea, And and all
these these experimental flies come in and half of them

(42:48):
are dead, and it's winter and whatever healthy fly was
around me trying to capture and not let it go.
And you know, then we got a couple of college
students to go and help out, and let's go and
a Chinese restaurants here any out there, And you know,
we did a whole bunch of things. And I'm friends
with you know, one or two people that are still
from back in the day. You know, the students, Oh

(43:10):
very cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, I try to remain
friends with a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I heard that in the interviews, and I can understand
it now because you've been talking off the air. You're
very personable, very talkative, very easy to get along with
it because I was a nervous wreck to tat that.
I got a couple of questions for you, and there
was an incident. First of all, Yoko's history back in Japan, Okay,
she went to a college where she was like the

(43:36):
only female student.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh, I have no idea because I really didn't know
her then. The only thing I do know is that
she came to Sarah Lawrence to go to school here,
So I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Now, what about you never heard that she was put
she had the depression and was put in a mental institution.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I did hear something of that back then. But you know,
when you're working comes at you and you can only
if you if you saw the pace we were working at.
None of that, you can't, you can't, you can't really
go into it, if you know what I mean. It
was just more like you just every day was just

(44:14):
you just got to keep moving and those things are
just in the wind. You just got to keep moving.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So there was never a time when you said, oh
my god, this woman's crazy, and someone said, hey, yeah,
you know she would you.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Can't and you just don't have time. I mean I
literally didn't have time from the time I got in
to get my first cup of coffee. That's why I said.
I tried to get in early, to just sit down
in my office to take a deep breath, get the coffee,
and then the start. And sometimes it'd be like thirteen
hours of the day, yeah, you know, and before I

(44:45):
get a chance to get home, and it's a long,
long you know, it's a long day, and it's I
just want to go home and sleep. But you know,
my phones do not stop ringing. They could ring if
I get home, like at three o'clock. It's happened a
few times when I got home, like three o'clock in
the morning, three thirty, and my phone was ringing by

(45:07):
the time I hit you know, just before I go
to sleep.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, Like you're walking in the door, you can hear
it ringing right there, ringing.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
For you exact exactly so to me. You know, can
you imagine if I had a cell phone? Oh goodness, Well,
we were lucky back in those days. And one sense
We were lucky because I remember having the one day
off one day and I was wondering just to get
to get you know, you do your laundry, get your
clothes washed, you know, things like that. And I remember

(45:34):
going into my friend's restaurant which I introduced them to,
which is Home restaurant, and I walked in and they said,
Yoko's looking for you. Oh my god. So I said,
you didn't see me. I just need some time off,
and it was said, you know, And it wasn't because

(45:57):
I hated it. It was just that I needed the
moments to do your own personal stuff that you need
to do. You know, when your clothes are piling up
in the corner and you know you need to shop
for some groceries, things that you know you need to do.
That's what I was doing.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Now, there was an incident with John and Yoko where
Yoko had given up custody of her kids to her
first husband. Right now, were you involved with them with
that whole situation where they they kind of picked up
the kids at school and they kept them and there
was like a little custody battle going on.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I really came into town and I was not really
involved in it. I knew when they were out and
about and looking for before Kyoko. I mean, before that happened,
I had met I had met Tony Cox once, you know,
and it was you know, I tried to stay. Those

(46:52):
are things that belonged to the lawyers. I try not
to be involved in it. It's too messy.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
So but Tony Cox, that guy, he actually into hiding
for like twenty years.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I get. I don't even know how long because I
know that Kyoko's around or she had. Yeah, I know
that Yoko sees her, you know, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Okay, that's very interesting because I heard that she was
kind of like in hiding.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Still, No, she hasn't. She's there's pictures of her and
she went when they had that play. I guess it
was called Imagine and keep using it, the Imagine play
that was out on Broadway. I mean she went to
the opening.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Now, what about Elliott Mints? Did you ever run it
to him?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yes? Well, what do you think? I don't think. I
don't think. Let me put it this way. I don't
think I'm one of his favorite people on his list. Okay,
but he seems to he was around. I mean I
remember when he met John and Yoko back in like
some one or so and doing interviews because it was

(47:56):
for her one woman art show and she did a
lot of press. Do you think he was closest to
John or Yoko? Yoko?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Okay, because he seems to become very rich and powerful man.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yes, I hear, yeah, but it really was more. He
was really more Yoka, not not so much John. He
never he never represented John, right?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Right? And now did you meet him when you went
to California with John?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
No? I met him before that in New York.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, just being the assistant and being okay, sure, yeah, okay,
Now you become John's girlfriend. I guess, right, what was
the first date? Like, you know when the first.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You know what it's it's it's funny. It's because I was.
It was so low key, right, I was just we
were trying to finish up the album, so really no
real date as it were, you know, we really weren't
we We'd be sitting in the studio and you see
the shift in the studio. I mean I tried to

(49:00):
I tried to deflect a lot of things. I didn't
really want this and I'd be sitting at the chair
doing something and all of a sudden, I would feel
his hands, you know, giving me a massage around my neck,
and I would just sit there. I go, oh no,
and you can see everybody looking and they're trying not
to look, and I'm like now embarrassed because I don't
know what to do with myself.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, it's an awkward situation because it's kind of still
your boss in a way, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
But let me let me make it clear. Once I
was really going out with him, and we really were
dating or living together, I was not. I was not.
He was not my boss.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
And it listen, I have dated employees, and it's you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
No, no, no, I was not being paid, just like you know,
because there's a lot of inferences that people thought that
I was still get I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And I'm saying, sad what you're talking about. But now
the thing is student again in that little interim period,
you know, Yoko comes to the approaches with this crazy
idea and say, oh my god, and then you know,
you start having feelings with each other. Was he dating
all girls during that period of time that you saw, No,
he wasn't. So he wasn't like a big heavy you know,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
He didn't. He didn't go out with anybody else.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Really the whole time between Yoko and you, he never
even dated another woman.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
No, when he when when he approached me, see, I
wouldn't go off, and I kept telling her I'm not
doing it. And then it was John who later on said,
you know what, she's going to keep doing this and
we're not getting along. He says, I'm just going to
go for it. So it was just me and him.
Now who's go godating. She liked this she liked this

(50:36):
other musician. And it was only later and I noticed
it during her sessions, but I never thought it was
really going to be the one. But yes, she liked
this other She liked this other guy.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
So you think that was her plan all along? And
she wanted to go with this other guy, so she
just I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Thinking only in retrospect that I could say that, you know, yeah,
because women do that. Yeah, you know. It was just
it was it was just kind of an interesting and
and you know, and a lot of and a lot
of people, uh in a lot of the musicians that were.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Around New So now you and John, you start you
have this romance now, right, and and how long until
you started feeling like, okay, we love each other?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You know what it was? It wasn't until we were
actually I guess for me it was longer. I guess
it wasn't until we were actually in Los Angeles and
he wanted to have a start. And and and here's
another correction. No, Yogo did not send us to l A.
What it happened was, Uh Yoga was out of town actually,

(51:43):
and John's lawyer was in town and going over some stuff,
and he was from l A. And he said to him,
what are you what are you going back? And he goes, oh,
this evening, he goes really and then he just looked
at me and he says, he turned to his lawyer says, well,
we'll going to get on the plane with you. So
we got on the plane. So I had to run home.

(52:05):
I said, we're going to l A. So now I
had to run home Pat and come over and get
and get on a plane with Uh. You know, we're
going traveling back to l A with them, with his lawyer.
And we had these people, uh Norma and and Peter
Peter Uh was in a band, an acoustic band with

(52:28):
Spencer Davis. You know that that I think you know
who Spencer Davis is, you know, give me some love
and uh that guy. Yeah, so Spencer, he was in
an acoustic band room was Peter and his girlfriend, uh Norma,
and Norma worked over at the United Artists as an

(52:48):
A and R person and the two of them were
picking uh John Lawyer up and he called him up
and said, we'll be picking two other people up and
he said okay, not knowing who who it was. And
when we got up the planet, I think they almost
fainted when they saw it was us.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
And we're just stay that first night hotel.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
We said no, no, we didn't say at a hotel.
The lawyer wanted us to stay at his place, the
Knights Sol modest place in West Hollywood, so we stayed there.
He said it's okay, he goes, you could stay here,
and he goes, I got all the places to stay,
so he let us have his place now.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Uh, And that was the beginning of the quote unquote
last weekend.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Well you know what, yeah, quote unquote it would be
we only called that at the end. It's not something
because then John got tired, and you know, he was
saying to me, because you know, I'm getting tired of
people asking me so many questions. I'm just going to
say this, and he told me that so and it
was based on you know, Ramo. It was Ray Moonland that.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Right, real quick though, before I think I cause I'm
a little lot of sequence here. Now. John and Yoko
met at the Indica Art Gallery in London. Did he
ever talk to you about that?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
No, we didn't really talk about that, because you know what,
you would you go and talk about your past relationships
really with most of the time you find out and
I was working for them anyway, But he didn't really
go and talk about.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, I try and not to. But usually when you're
in relationship that the women bring it up to tell
you to.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
No, no, I mean would you bring it up? Come on,
I definitely did you turn that up with your wife?
I mean, come on, oh listen, you know I don't know,
did you? I mean, that's a good question. Did you know.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
When I'm dating a new girl, I definitely don't bring
it up, but it comes up someone else's.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Very well, it didn't come up in my case.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I'll start dating you that now you're married in there, right?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
No? Really, No, I'm a single girl. And how old,
are you kids? They're old. They're in the twenties now. Okay,
so in fact, the last one left the house not
that long ago, and you know, and yes I am.
I am now a single lady, and you know, it's

(55:05):
fun and I got to get my get myself in
order and get myself, you know, thinking it was only
a couple of months ago that I became this, this
single person, and now I have to read through my
life again.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Well, perhaps we'll meet a diplomat being an ambassador, that's right, Secretary.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
My gosh, I mean, it's it's hard enough. I mean,
you know, it really is hard enough to meet somebody,
you know, because John once said, he goes, what the
problem that I'm going to run into? And at the
time I didn't realize it was the fact that everybody's
going to try and measure up to John. And he said,

(55:45):
I wish that wouldn't happen, because it really does create
the problem for you. And I said, no fooling, okay,
And he's right, he was right about that.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Oh yeah, I could imagine that.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And everybody gets you know, you know, you get these
you get guys that get get into mint. I really
wish I'm just a person and uh, you know, and
for whatever it is. But I know he's larger than life.
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Now, but before you went to California again, now, when
you were in New York, Uh, you guys were hanging
out with the yippies. Jerry Ruben, David Oh not me.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
If I could help it this, yes, he did. Hang up.
You have to understand this is someone just asked me
a question on on on Facebook, you know, uh, and
they said, what one book would describe John? And I
said to him, no, one book can really describe John,

(56:41):
because John was different in every relationship as and I
And I said, as an example, you know, with Yoko,
he was more into the political field. He was you know,
I mean I because I was working, I saw the yippies.
I mean I met some I met. I knew Jerry
Rubin and and Abbie Hoffman and Rennie Davis and you

(57:03):
know you name it. I met them. I met It's
funny Angela, Angela Davis, Bobby Seal, people you read about
in history. I've met them. And that wasn't my that
wasn't my my taste, you know, in a relationship. You know,
that's the last thing I'm thinking about, is let's go

(57:25):
to a rally unless it's really important. I'm not thinking
about doing political rallies. For me, it was for for
me and him, we talked about music and that was
the most important thing for me. It's music.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
While with John in New York, he was hanging out
with some of these guys, right, like A. J. Werman
and David Peel.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Right, that was that was like I said, that was
with Yoko's period. That was with Yokos time period. My
period was was Elton, John, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, George Harrison,
Paul Ringo, Harry So you know, Mickey Dolan's, Alice Cooper,
we got it. I had a whole different crowd. Okay,

(58:06):
you could choose. I don't know if I wanted to.
You know, that was more my crowd. We would go
Chuck Berry, you know, we're going and uh, you know,
we go and hang out and listen to good music.
So you know, the A. J. Weberman and and no
disrespect him because you know, I know he's a friend
on my on my Facebook. Uh you know, but the

(58:29):
you know, the the the Yippies and all that. That
was a period that was more in his relationship with Dioca,
not with me, but.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
During your relationship with John. The FBI surveillance continued, right.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Well, they they did. I think there was, it was
less of it. It was still there because we were
we were going. It was not I don't think it
was as full force, but it was still there because
we weren't in situations like that. We weren't hanging out
with people that that would cause. And we were more

(59:04):
into the music, you know that. That's what the difference was.
We were making more music. And during our time John
did more music than than in his solo career than uh,
than any other time. I mean, he wrote songs and
he gave it to Johnny Winter. He had another song.
He gave it to uh Keith Moon. You know, we

(59:26):
jammed with with Jagger, which I had. It was funny
I read an interview where they had they said, uh,
somebody had the tape for for Mick Jagger. It was
too many cooks and and uh, some records have found it.
I had it. They got it from me because I
kept it. I kept because John did Uh. He mixed

(59:46):
two versions and I had one of them on me,
So they got one of the versions from me. So
that he could put it on his solo album. And
then we did one where and and it was great
because you know, there was Jack Bruce, it was Al Cooper,
it was uh, you know, Bobby Keese and Trevor Lawrence
and and you know, so there was a lot a

(01:00:06):
bunch of people that were in there. And then we
did we did the rock and roll album. We did
the wolveson Bridges, which was John's only number one single
that that gardened only number one single with the number
one album in his lifetime. And that album, as I
was telling somebody, is the only album originally it was

(01:00:26):
just he produced it himself, no co production of any sort.
It was really him and I got to sing on
number nine dream and he wrote a song for me
as well, and it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
What was the song he wrote for you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Surprise Surprise wee Bird of Paradox.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, yeah, I tell you. You know, you've been a part
of history, and you have been a part of history mate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Well, you know, this is the one thing I would
love for, like, you know, because I love to give
people a feel of what this was like, especially in
music side of things, you know, because watching them and
and I actually participated in the last jam that John
and Paul had together. I played tambourines with mal Evans
and Linda played ham in Oregon and Stevie Wonder and whatever.

(01:01:13):
And you know, and I have this history. I would
love to pass on the knowledge. And this is one
of those things I would love to do talks, you know,
in universities and that because they do give a beatle
you know, courses or music courses and and you know,
I would love to do that, that type of seminar
talk in the universities because you know, I did the

(01:01:36):
production work and it was, it was, It was good fun.
I used to have a great time doing that, booking
the sessions, booking the studio, getting you know, getting the orchestra,
listening to everything, and you know, it was a lot
of fun. John and I used to listen to all
of that together.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
You must have a great sense of satisfaction, you know,
for all your part of creating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
There absolutely, you know it, and it's it's fun. Uh,
it was, it was. It was an important part of
my life. And you know, when I hear songs, you know,
and especially when you have number nine dream and you
hear me whispering every once in a while hearing and
it just sort of freaks me out that it is
me that's ratio. Oh I can imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, that must blow your mind, it does so. Okay,
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Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
You love doing that to me. I love that you
put up with me. Oh my goodness, I forget.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
This would go a half hour and you hang up
on me. Okay, great, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
You, Thank you think I think I could hang I
get there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Thank you so much for putting up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
With me, so well, you know, don't forget to send
the mushroom tea to me. I want to try this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I promise you, I'm going to hand delivered. Have youone
filed for your Freedom of Information Actor recording? You FBI file?
What might have gone on while you were John?

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
You know I never did. I never did. Okay, so
you know I've never looked at it. But you know,
with with us, like I said, it was a total
different thing. But we're just hanging out with musicians. We were.
I mean I went to places two of us, you know,
Mick and his wife, his then wife Bean said oh

(01:09:02):
come on, come, come, come and hang with us. We're
going to this, uh, to this event. We're not even
dressed for it. We go in and with Mick it
was dressed, and it was to what has now become
the Oh god, I forgot the name, oh Diana Rielans. Uh.
It was a Vogue party, which is now Anna Winnotour's

(01:09:23):
famous party, you know, at the Metropolitan Museum and uh.
And then we ended up being driven out to to
the Hampton's that night to Montalk. So it's kind of
it's quite interesting. Who's home did you stay? At the Hamptons.
Nick had rented Andy Warhol's home, okay, and so we

(01:09:45):
were out there and this is where John and I
we were on the boat and we spotted we spotted
this this house and it was an imitation Scottish type
house and he and it brought back some memories for John,
obviously growing up. And he says, well, I love that
that house looks great. And it was on a cliff

(01:10:07):
and someone said, oh, that house is for sale, and
he said it is, and he goes, I want to
see it. So when we got out of the boat,
we went to we got a real realtor to take
us into the house. And it was really you know,
it was it was really it was. It was lovely,

(01:10:28):
it was cozy, it was warm. It wasn't a big house.
And I remember him looking at me because it was
a thin galley kitchen. He looked at me and he said,
do you think you could deal with the kitchen, you know?
And I said yeah, I mean I'm thinking to myself,
anything is bigger than what I have like a kitchen
at at home, So it didn't matter, So I said sure.
So he really wanted it, and so, uh, I think

(01:10:51):
it was like a couple of weeks later, we ended
up taking Julian and the lawyer out and we were
going to buy this house, you know, out in Montalk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Because when John was you and John were dating, he
was pretty much living at your studio apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
No, we lived there only here's another okay, we were
only there during the time in early seventy four when
we came back. Then we came back again when February
we were there, and no part of February we were there,
and then we went to we were staying at a

(01:11:28):
hotel and we were staying at we were staying at
my place, and we were staying in both places. And
then when we came back from la we stayed there
for a little bit and then we found an apartment.
And our apartment overlooked the East River. And it was
great because it was it was called the Penthouse department

(01:11:48):
and all it was was it was a giant one
bedroom and we had a nice balcony and we overlooked
the East River. And this is where we had chairs
set up so that he could sit at night and
just watch the river. That reminded him of of England.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
And that's where you saw the UFO, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Where we saw the UFO exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Okay, now you see it his UFO. It give us
the version, It gives us the story of how you
saw this uf You saw it first?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
No, he did first? Okay, he saw it first. I
was you know, we had we'd come back from the
recording studio and it's a Friday night in the summer,
and you know, August, nobody's around, not especially on the
street where we lived. It was ironic. We had Kissinger
and all these people living across the street. Did you

(01:12:41):
see him? No?

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Okay, now no, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Who also lived a couple of doors over. What was
it that actress the one that says I want to
be alone? You know mar right, I'm Marlene the t trick.
It wasn't Marlene. Teacher was a numb one something of that. Yeah,
that type of actors. Anyway, So so we were he

(01:13:06):
was outside, uh, smoking his French cigarettes. He tried not
to smoke in the house because I don't because I
don't smoke, and so that French cigarettes are horrible smell. Sorry,
anybody smokes that stuff, it really is is horrible. Anyway,
and it's summer and it gets stagnant. So he's standing outside.
I'm trying to find some clothes to where to greet

(01:13:29):
the pizza boy because reordered pizza. One good thing about Manhattan,
you just order and they come to you. And all
of a sudden, I hearhim yelling for me, and and
I said, yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't even bother,
you know, to to really run. And then finally I
heard his voice again, really loud and very urgent. It

(01:13:54):
was an urgency in his voice, you know. And I said, well,
if you go now, like I'm running out. And and
as I said to him, what do you And I
stopped mid sentence, and I see this thing above our
heads and I'm just sitting there, going what is this thing?
And I'm screaming, uh, you know, it's a UFO. Oh

(01:14:15):
my god. I could hear the noise below me, I
could hear everything, but this thing above my head. And
I'm looking at John and he says, you're seeing exactly
what I'm seeing and what it is. We could see
the underbelly of this this you know, this flying object,
and you can see the heat waves under it, you know,
like when you when you're driving on the street, you know,

(01:14:37):
when it's hot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Or was it metallic or was it just a light?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
No, it was metallic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
It was definitely metal. Yeah, there or bolts or anything
you could tell.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
No. I could see white lights going on and off
around the rim, and I could see one red light
on top stable and that was it. And uh, and
it was very quiet. There's no there was no sound
kind of coming out of it. And let me let

(01:15:06):
me explain that there's somebody that's put out. Uh. Someone
said that recently John John did a drawing of it
because he didn't want to forget what it looked like.
And recently I saw another drawing that they claimed there
was John's, and I can tell you it doesn't look
anything like what how John drew the the UFO, and

(01:15:26):
I know he didn't draw another one, Okay. And so
I looked at it and it's just being sold and
someone's and they want to argue with me, that's fine,
But I was there and they're not, and I know
what John drew. They don't. They weren't there, So I'm
just saying that. So it's out there now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
This object was very close to you too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Yes it was, And so I know exactly what was
what I saw, and it was just amazing because I
could hear the street noise below me, but I couldn't
hear this thing above me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Now, do you think this could have been some from
our military or our government or something we.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Didn't have that because I could see flying on its
side it went sideways At one point, I'm watching this thing.
I know I do not smoke, I do not take drugs,
and you know, it was just one of those things
that I'm like, oh my god, I was screaming. I
was just I was I was hysterical. I was screaming
so loud, and you would have thought my neighbor no

(01:16:23):
one was home. I'm screaming, it's a UFO. I'm on
my balcony screaming. Not one person, not one light was
in any because remember it's a Friday. It's a Friday
evening in August in the city. Nobody's home.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Well, what time was it, because they're still building pizzas?

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Nine?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Okay, yeah, it's prime.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
It was around nine o'clock, so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
That's prime pizza Deliery's now also too. Now was this
the size of a car, a bus or how big?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
I asked John what size he thought, because I can't
judge with sizes on that, you know, on that one.
And he thought it was like size of maybe uh,
because it was circular, maybe a size of a two
man leader jet.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Oh really yeah, okay, and so did you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
So that's what we that's what we saw. And then
we had we had some people call and uh, you know,
like different places. You know, it's kind of you know,
you say, it's John Lennon seeing that, say, oh, yes,
he's not. What was he smoking?

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
But anyway, we had friends just call up and and
he would say, in fact, Elliott Mincy, we told Elliott
and Elliotson, didn't they see it? John said, yes, he goes,
could you put him on the phone. So anyway, and
the reason he called me out it was because I
was his witness as well. I was John's witness, because

(01:17:46):
they knew everybody be asking me if I saw it.
So when we when they did do the phone calls, uh,
it turned out that several people had called, uh, the
the local police station further uh up the road by
the river. We lived by the river in the fifties
and the people had started seeing it in the eighties

(01:18:09):
by the river. So it was obviously coming down along
that path, and so it was. It was quite interesting.
And you know, nobody called the New York Times. They
called the Daily News and the and the local police station.
But it wasn't enough to generate in the city big noise.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
What was the length of time you were witnessing this object.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Probably because it took its time, I would say, somewhere
between ten and fifteen minutes. Okay, Now, I for a
looked a long time as I watched it go down
the river. If you saw, if you saw from the
you know, if you saw from across the river or whatever,
you would have thought this was another helicopter. Nothing, nothing unusual.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
There windows were the windows on it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Uh, not that I can see, not that I can see.
What I remember was as it was good because you
could feel the you can see the heat wave, you know,
the underneath. And as it was going down the river,
anybody could have mistaken for whatever could have been, like
I said, another helicopter or whatever. And it was going
very slow. And then it sat over this building called

(01:19:16):
the Waterside Towers on twenty third Street, sat there for
the longest time, and I was just watching it, and
I knew it was up there because I had been
watching it going down the river, so I knew where
it was. And it started to move over the over
the bridge, and was, you know, calling friends in Brooklyn.
It might be coming your way. You know what I said,

(01:19:36):
go out the window. Anyway, it was going over I
believe that would be the Williamsburg Bridge. As it headed
over to Williamsburg Bridge, sit over it. And then all
of a sudden it just went straight up and that
was it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Now you said you never used drugs? No, but now,
but John, Now it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Wasn't used, isn't it that night?

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Apart from this to say, no, no, No, that's the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
He was outside having a cigarette and I was in
so we were waiting for the pizza man. We were hungry. No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
No, I've listened to you described this in detail on
several interviews, so I have no doubt about your accuracy
what you're describing. But you mentioned about their drug use
with John. So I'm just curious because some people say
that he was using heroin and stuff. Was he ever
using No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
During my time. See this is where the time period
everybody seems to think, No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
He was not, so but was he ever using heroin?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I believe so, yes, okay, but not during my time
and who got him into that? It's whatever was going on,
knowing well he was with you know, the relationship, not mine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Gotcha Okay, that's that's the same now. Well, but when
he was with you, it was like marijuana.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
He you know what he would he would actually do
take a puff, a puff or two just to bring
him down if he went to the recording studio, because
he would come home and use hyper because he was still,
you know, coming from a studio. He'd take two puffs,
put it out, you know, like one joint could last
a week. That it was not a smoke. He was

(01:21:13):
not a He was not a chronic smoker. It wasn't
like he had to have it. So it was only
like if he would go to the studio and he
just wanted to relax and come down, you know, after
listening to being in the studio and being hyper, and
that would be it. Okay. I didn't because I'm I
was not one. In fact, I was cold when I
was out in l A A lot a lot of

(01:21:34):
a lot of people and a couple of females would
call me this goody two shoes because I was not
one to take drugs and I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
So the marijuana was just drinking then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
No, But even even even even drinking, I don't I
I was opposed to girl for Coca Cola. Believe me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
That was John drinking a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
No, it only happened And this is the thing, It
only happened when he hung out with the boys out
in LA. It wasn't really happening in New York. He
could have a drink here and it wouldn't affect him.
But when you get together with the boys. How many
people you know, when you when you watch these games,
or you know, when they go out for a baseball

(01:22:16):
game or a football game and they're out there drinking, right,
and they get rowdy because they're with the boys, you know.
And that's really what it was. But people won't allow
John to be a person, a human. That's the thing
that I you know, people don't seem to get he

(01:22:37):
was human, you know, And and it's and it's a
shame because he he he was not a drunk like
everybody thought, you know. But everybody wanted to see him
be somebody else's extremes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
They wanted to they want they.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Were feeding him and and when John thought he could
relax with some of these people, and I got angry
because I felt like saying, hey, you guys, don't you
know I don't want you to start doing it. And
they didn't like the fact that I always stepped in.
I stepped in when I thought it was just going
beyond where it should have been.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
That John was drinking too much and you were like
being the party.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Yes, because they were they wanted to see you know,
it's like the Dog and Pony Show. They wanted to
see him go through this. And I'm going no, you know,
he was a new kid on the block out in
La right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
No, No, No, Another general question too, what about jealousy anger?
Was he ever like physical?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah? I know people read that. Yes, And when a
couple of times when he got he got physical. The
original book had it worse than it actually was. And
you know, he it really when he got drunk, he
didn't see what was going on. I mean, the next day,
it was like it was nine day. He was like

(01:23:59):
so apologetic and it only happened a couple of times,
and he was so apologetic, and he couldn't believe that
it happened, you know, and Phil Spector, I mean riled
him up on an occasion that I couldn't even tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
But wait a second, John Lennon got physical with you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, grabbed me by my by my hair.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Oh really okay? And why was what was you up? Said?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I think he was upset about something that. Uh, I
think I was driving something and instead he he it
was just something that because he had he had his
hand on my on my hair, it was easy. I
guess I don't remember, but it's been so long.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I got you, I got you now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
But but it wasn't something where I was in danger.
Let's put it that way. People want to make it
more than it is, and it wasn't that way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
And also there was a different time as well. That's
now any kind of context.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
And you know, then you know the I love when
the boys like to while everybody up. And then when
it's then of course, if he gets out of control,
oh we better get him down. Well, hello, the other
one who got him there in the first place. So
I didn't like the fact that I would be making
you know, comments, and the guys didn't like it, especially
you know. At one point still Spector knew that I

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would be the I was the gatekeeper. And in that
sense that not that he couldn't have fun. Of course
he could have fun. But if I saw that it
was just going a little too out of whack, you know,
for that, it was going to be not a good thing.
You know. I stepped in. I said. At one point
he wanted John to go somewhere, and I said, okay,

(01:25:36):
I'm going to go with you, because no, you're not going.
He goes, You're not getting in the car with us.
I said, yes, I am. He goes, no, you're not,
and he had he had his bodyguard lifted me up
physically to remove me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Yeah, but and a we are surprised and perspective want
up in prison. No I don't think so either. Now
do you have any contact with him now?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
No, I haven't. I mean, you know, what to be
clear also is that I don't think he did that
on purpose. That's it's a different you know. I don't
think it's a premeditated and he used that. But I
I the things that were because he carried his guns
and John and I did not realize they were loaded.
We thought they were blanks, we really did. And when

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he shot the gun off in the studio, everybody else
is ducking, including Phil Spector's mom who was in the studio.
I'm running the you know, the New York City kid
decides I'm going to run towards it. So I run
towards the sound. I opened the door and he's got
the gun, and you know, and there's John with his
finger in the air, and I'm the first one there.
And he's going, Phil, Phil, if you're gonna shoot me,

(01:26:47):
you know, if you're gonna shoot shoot me, but don't don't,
but don't mess with me ears, you know, and you know,
he said some other words, but it was on that level.
And uh and I said, then mal Evin's uh, God
bless his soul, I mean, grabbed the gun out of
his hand and he says, you shouldn't have this. And
Phil's going, you can't tell me what to do. And

(01:27:07):
I finally said, what's going on? And he's saying they
all said, you know, they were just playing around, and
mal asked him not to do something, and he didn't
like it. He backed up, pulled out the gun and
it went off. It could have killed Somebody's put it
that way, he could have killed it. And of course,
I said, is everybody Okay, everybody settled down, Everything's fine.
We went back to recording. Next day, mal came over

(01:27:30):
and he goes, well, here's a bullet from last night.
And John and I looked at him and said, what bullet.
We really had no idea. We thought nobody could be
giving him real bullets. We thought we were blinks.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
But mal Evins was there as John's assistant bodyguard type.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
No, he was there as the like. But he always did,
you know, to be the helper of whatever is needed
at a session. You know, if you're going to drive
us down there, or John needed a guitar to be
brought back, or you know, anything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
But my impression was that he worked mostly for Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
No in the early days. He worked for all of them, okay,
and because he you know, we happened to be in La,
he was working for me. He was there, Ringo was there,
and and then uh so, and then then when Ringo left,
John was there, so he stayed. And you know, he
worked for whoever was there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
What do you make of these stories you hear about
mal Evans and his death. He was he was shot
by the police.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Yes, I happened to be away and I got these
phone calls. When I got back about everybody's asking me
about Mal, and I'm going, what's going on? And I
get this. I made these calls and they were telling
me that Mal was shot, you know, horrifically, you know,
beyond recognition. I said, what are you talking about? He
told me, and I you know, it was so sad

(01:28:51):
and it's still sort of a semi mystery to this day.
You know that, you know, he he locked himself in
the room with his rifle and the girlfriend that he had, uh,
his daughter was in there, and and but he had
taken some pills and you know, downers, and he was
out of it. I don't believe in my heart that

(01:29:13):
he would have harmed the child because he was he
was a big teddy bear. But he had a baby
gun with him. It was a it was a I
don't know what kind of gun it was. It was
a gun that I know that. I think the girlfriend
gave it to him as a gift, uh some gift,
right from what I understand, But I mean, I really

(01:29:33):
don't know the the all this stuff, but it was
just something that I guess when somebody takes that drug,
you don't know what they're going to do. But in
l A, you know what the police are like. You know,
if you're not responding in the correct manner, you don't know,
and they're they're listen. I can't blame HI. If you
break in the door and and he's got a rifle in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
His hand, happen he was shot beyond recognition. How many
times was he shot?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
I don't know, but that's what I heard.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
That's what you're from his girlfriend, you heard.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
They're from no by counts by other people that you know,
we're there that now. I don't think they were there.
They heard it. You know, in this artist community, everybody
hears a news goes fast, you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Now, what do you make of these conspiracy theories? I
guess he'd call them the saying that he was he
had made a phone call and he had a suitcase
and he was going to get to get some royalties
from some songs that he worked on, and then later
on that night this shouldn't happened, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
So I don't believe that in a million years. I just,
you know, I don't know the full truth, and to
even guess, but I don't that one sounds a little
too out out there. For me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Okay, then speaking of conspiracy theories again, what do you
make of all these theories?

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
What Paul is dead? You know? And there was Oh,
I can tell you Paul's not dead. Okay, how do
you know? Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I
never I know ever never never. Well, I'm talking to
the real Paul, believe me. Okay. You know we see
the two of them together. You know which did the
real the real deal John and Paul together? You could

(01:31:13):
tell you said the two together, the two Paul's. I
think I had John and Paul. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
But now, because Paul used to come to your your
studio apartment, is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
You used to come to our apartment the one that
Ben later on the uh yeah, the one in the fifties. Yes,
he just stopped by anytime. And you know when moved
back in New York, that's where we lived. People think
that we only lived in la This is where is
our apartment in the city. We lived in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Now And was that when h on Saturday Night Live,
they made an announcement that they want to pay a
check to the Beatles, but they.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
By that point that he went back to uh, he
was back at the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Dakota Real quick question too, and we'll get into this
a little bit more at the end about the hypnotism.
But at the time you were working for John and Yoko,
was there any other hypnotism going on and the hypnotism
of or anybody being hypnotized.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
When when I with Theoka, I mean no, she had
she she believed in psychics and things that that she believed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
In, Okay, but there was no other hypnotism going on.
I heard a story about pauled me and hypnotized. He
was about to sign some papers and he was hypnotized.
He wouldn't sign them. No, nothing like that. No, Now
you said she was into psychics and tarot cards, any
kind of witchcraft or anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Really over the top of that was that was a parally.
I mean those are things that she was into.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Really, did ever creep you out and say? What the
heck is going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
I try not to think about it, okay, although you
know it never fails, you know that I get caught
in the middle of things. You know, she was, she had,
she believed in it, and that was fine, you know,
to teach his own openly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
She was openly saying to you that I believe in
black magic.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
No, she didn't. She wasn't openly saying it to me,
but she had. I know she had psychics because they
came to the house.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
And what would he do?

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
I don't know. I wasn't in there in the privacy
of that reading.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Now, Paul also to I heard an interview with him
where he said he believed in magic with a K,
meaning you know, magic magic kind of. Did you any
kind of contact with him about any kind of activity? No, no,
you didn't mentioned anything. No, Okay, now, uh, there's so
much I want to get you. Now, you guys go
to California, right, and you start to do your big
hit on the music scene out in California. Now, who

(01:33:30):
were you hanging out with out there? Harry Nilsen was one, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Yeah, because Ringo was out there at the time, and uh,
and Ringo would come in and out and then Harry
because that people don't realize it, but Harry was was
Ringo's best friend. I didn't know that, Okay, Yeah, it
was really Harry and Ringo for years. Like I said,
John was the new kid on the block. So that's
what happened. And because the antics are bigger. You know,

(01:33:55):
when you when things happened, who makes a better copy,
you know when you read the newspaper, Harry Nielsen or
John Lennon, you know, so take.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
A pick got you And and at the time Ringo
was pretty much he was a heavy drinker at the
time too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Yeah, everybody was. But you know Ringo was there on
and off. He would in LA and then he would
go back to England and then he come back and
so you know, it was one of those and we
would see him when we were doing recording sessions and
stuff like that. John and I when we when in
between us staying in LA, we were actually in you know,

(01:34:34):
we were back in New York. People think that we
lived in LA. We really lived in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
And you were in Vegas too, therefore a bit you
were in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
At one point, only in Vegas for like a weekend.
I mean it was funny. I mean, you know, we
went out there and we wanted to go, and we
flew out there with Elliot Mintz took us out there
and I'll never forget it. And I'd never seen a
you know plane like a shuttle where everybody's dressed up

(01:35:04):
deck to the Nines to get to Vegas, and here
we are in the middle of the of the airplane
and we're in this row of seats. And John got
really upset because he said to Elliott, why are we
in the middle. It wasn't there first class. I mean,
it was just like because people were just hounding him.
And he said, there's no first class. He goes, you

(01:35:25):
couldn't put us to the front. Funny. But anyway, we
were there in Vegas, and I think Elliott stayed for
a night one night, and then he left the next
day and we went home. We stayed for a couple
of days. We saw Fats Domino and Frankie Valley, and
we came home with Tony King, who uh and Michael Hazelwood.

(01:35:49):
Michael Hayswood was a songwriter who wrote co wrote songs
with Albert Hammond. The Air that I Breathed and it
Never rings in southern CALIFORNI you and and Tony King
was head of of Apple, general manager of Apple and
England and and we were trying to convince him to

(01:36:10):
move to America, so he was out there too, So
you know, we were with friends and we came home
in UH in this big, huge car that they rented
and we went through the desert and so there's some
of the photos in my book. And that's where we
were at the Calico Ghost Town.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Yeah, I've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
I've been there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Now now when you're in La right with this music
scene and what about like the Beach Boys, we hang
out the Beach Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Well, you know, we met them. Uh it was funny.
I met all of them. And we were at lunch
one day and and I and I was sitting next
to John, and I saw this guy coming towards him
and I would you know, I put my head down
and I just whispered to him under my breath, going,
I approaching you as is Dennis Wilson Beach Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Like a President's said, right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
You know, you just want him to be you know,
I don't want him to be not prepared, you know.
And and I would do that for him. And and
you know John appreciated that because you know, he he
sees so many people he would have recognized, you know,
and he might have. But anyway, so Dennis comes and
stands in front of him and he's uh John, and
John just jumped up and he said, Dennis, and it

(01:37:19):
was so it was. It was cute because Dennis was
so amazed that, you go, John Lennon recognized me, you
know that type of thing. Wow. Yeah, So it was
it was nice. And then we later, you know, we
later went to Ricky Martin, not the Ricky Martin that
you know of today, but Ricky Martin that was Dean
Martin's younger son and it was his birthday. And we

(01:37:41):
went to to the house and there was the whole
the Beach Boys, everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
Was there, and and and also Dino, Desi and Billy
and Elizabeth Taylor and we met Elizabeth Taylor there and
David Bowie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
That's where we meant. In fact, it was Elizabeth Taylor.
Would you do, sister, David Bowie get out of here? Yeah? No?

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
What about there's an audio of John He was talking about,
did you fall out of a car two o'clock in
the morning, you wind up at Doris Day's house.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
So I guess it was god, uh no, Doris Day.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
That Terry Melcher was Doris Day's son.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Yes, I know that remember that one. I don't remember
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Remember that quote?

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Okay, yeah, So now were you guys hanging out with
Terry Melchin?

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
No, I don't. We were hanging out with Roman Polanski,
and really we weren't hanging out. We went to a
couple of parties that it was at Roman's house and
and it was Jack Nicholson, Roman Polanski.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
You know, did you stay in touch with any of
these people? Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
No, but it was funny because I'm actually in heartburn
sitting next to Jack Nicholson. Get out of here. By accident.
It's all by accident. So what about Robert Evans?

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Did you run into Robert Evans? Order who Robert Evans
the film producer?

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
No, he was I didn't see him, but Mark Nichols I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Saw, okay, because Evans was buddies with uh uh Polanski
and Nicholson.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he might have been there,
but I just remembered the other musicians like Jim Kellner,
all the other musicians in LA were at this place,
and it just happened that we would we would meet up.
And so I've met some some people that you read about,
so I've read I've met them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Now this is incredible. Uh So I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
I just laugh because you know, you it's uh you're asking.
I know it sounds weird, but I've met a lot
of these people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
No, yeah, it's just what a life, you know. Uh,
now you know what about it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Wouldn't it be great that if I do more talking,
I mean, you know, do seminars at different universities and
speaking engagements. This is why, you know. I was sitting
at a club in that I'm a member at in
in London called the Grouch Club, and I sat there
with my friend who designed my website, and as I

(01:40:08):
looked at her and I said, you know what the
funny part about it is, I said, oh, this is
called the Groucho Club and everything I said, I'm probably
the only one in here that have met Groucho Martz.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Now what was he like off the air?

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
I mean nice, We just said hello. It's not anything.
It wasn't anything great, you know, it's just what it
is now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Actually, Uh, I do plan on putting on some seminar.
It's probably out in California or in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
And I haven't mind up Mark Ebner, Uh and uh,
you would be grateful it too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
It's a paying gig too, yes, oh that would be good.
I hate to go out and not be paid for
all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Don't worry about that. But one of the guys I
was going to have on was Dave McGowan, who was
the author of the book Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon.
But he's extremely ill right now. Yeah, I know, and
it doesn't golle likely, but he has a big draw.
Now a you familiar with that book Weird Scenes Inside
the Canyon about the Laurel Canyon music scene, laukay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
I got to tell you something. I find Laurel Canyon
very tough to drive because if you live right on
Laurel Canyon, God help you trying to get off that
road or into your home. You know, I like, you
know a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Of the musicians from that time lived in Laurel Canyon.
In fact, only at Men's lived in Laurel Canyon around
that time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Five over. You know, it's it's it's one road. And
if and I find the people that have a driveway
right off of it, you got to know when to
make that turn. I got you. Yeah, And you know,
and here's the other thing. There are four places that
John and I lived on, you know, in la I
might as well say it here because people have oh,
everybody's marketing this. This is where John, John lived at

(01:41:51):
during his last weekend. John lived here, John lived there.
There's only four places we lived in West Hollywood at
our lawyers, we lived at, Uh I'm bel air, at
Lou Adler's old home. We lived at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
And we lived out in Santa Monica at the Beach
House when we were doing the Harry Neils And those

(01:42:11):
were the only four places that John and I lived
at during that time period.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Got you but but you said you did meet and
hang out with Terry Melcher.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
We probably might have met him. I mean, we've met
so many people. But you know that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Now, What about like Mama up John Phillips when my
mom was in the propas.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Oh, yes, we met him absolutely at that point he
was married. We met him at when we were with
Mick uh and Terry Southern and he was married to
Genevieve Boujeou Viujeaux at that time when I met John Phillips.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Didn't Mama Cass die in Harry Nelson's apartment?

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Uh? Yes, in in in London. And I remember when
when Harry said, oh you can stay at my apartment
in in in London and I said, oh, And then
I went, wait a minute, hold on, wasn't it that
Marma Cass And he said yeah, And I said, wait
a minute, wasn't it Keith Moon.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
He goes, yeah, yeah, Then you want John Lennon to
go over there?

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
I said, well, I said, I don't think so. I
wouldn't take that chance. Later on, I mean, this is
later on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
You John gotcha? Okay, Now, I guess we're to the
part of the story about how you and John broke up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
You know, it's still complicated because we really never broke
up because we stayed in touch until the time he died.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
True, right, But but there was an event in the.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Sense of out in the public. It was more he
more or less where he came and said to me
that Uh, Yoko thought it was a good idea for
for uh for him to come back to the house,
uh because of immigration, and immigration was a big thing
hanging over his head because he didn't want to be

(01:44:05):
thrown out. He really wanted to UH live in America.
And we had had a very really lovely home because
at the time when when John and I were together,
you know, Julian was coming over a lot and hanging
out with us and a lot of musicians and you know,

(01:44:27):
so it was quite interesting that she wanted, uh, telling
him that he should go back because and it was
scaring him because she was telling him this is this
is a great way. And then then she said, well,
and you know, I also have had great method to
help you quit smoking. It's all done by hypnosis and
drinking this tea and whatever else.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Did you ever find aways in the tea?

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
No, but he did tell me that every time he
drank it, he started to throw up, and so.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
He went to the Yoko was in s on him
coming over to be hypnotize question. And that's the same
night that he decided he was going to go back
to live with Yoga.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Well, not the same night, I mean it took the
whole weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
The whole weekend. Yes, And did you object to him
going over there for the whole weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Yes? I did, And but you wouldn't she he said
as he was leaving to go over because just to
calm her down too, because she was insistent, he said,
when I get back, let's go to a nice dinner, right,
and Uh, let's get ready, we're going to go down
and you know, we was getting ready to sign the

(01:45:35):
deed on you know, buying the house, and he said,
let's let's get ready. We're going to we were planning
on going down to see Paul and Linda in New Orleans. Correct. Now,
was John afraid of Yoko? I wouldn't say afraid. No,
not afraid. I think he was more he just wanted peace.

(01:45:55):
He just felt he was so happy and he was,
and he was so happy that he didn't he didn't
want to just rock. He didn't like rocking the boat.
You feel, he just felt he just felt that maybe
he owed her, you know, then you know, he owed
her whatever she might want. So he was just going
along with it because there was a talk of divorce

(01:46:17):
no matter what anybody says that, you know, back in
seventy four and and I remember coming back and he says, yeah,
we're talking about divorce. And because I'll maybe a freeman
in about six months.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Do you feel he was manipulated by her control by her?

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I mean, you know, I'm you know, looking back, in
my opinion, there was a lot of manipulation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Yes, okay, yeah, you know, the night of the assassination.
Why don't you give us an idea of what what
your experience was at.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Night, you know, it was it's such a horrible night.
You know. I tried to always block it out, but
for me it was I was at a girlfriend house
who was but it was going to make me dinner
because she goes, you know, I never made your dinner.
I really want to do it. And I'm at her house.
And in those days, we didn't have computers and things,
and uh, it was more radio and music and talking.

(01:47:14):
And this DJ came on said something about this man
supposedly might be John Lennon shot and I'm like, what,
I just I did a freeze and I got on
the phone and I couldn't you know, it was push button.
I couldn't even push the buttons correct. My fingers were
began to freeze up on me. And then I turned

(01:47:37):
around and I, uh, you know, finally got through to
a friend and I said, did you hear goes yes,
and we're both like, I just, you know, I hope
it's not true. And then as I'm talking to him,
it came over the radio that that he had died,
and so I just I ran out of the apartment

(01:47:59):
and ran home. And as I was getting into it,
and I told it, Cabby, don't don't go by. I
happened to be on the west side yet, and I
remembered just going by and said, don't take me in
that direction. He said why, I said, John Lyne just
got shot. And the guy goes, what are you talking about?

(01:48:20):
So that's how the you know, news was trying. Hadn't
even traveled yet. And I got back and the phone
was ringing and it was Ringo's executive secretary, Joan calling
me and said, what's the number of the hospital? And
I said, I said, it's too late. He's gone, and
she just screamed, what's wrong with your bloody country? And
that's exactly at that point you start thinking yeah, and

(01:48:42):
he goes, I got to go and let everybody know.
I got a call. And then at that point I
called people that I that I knew, that that John
and I knew together, and one of them was David Bowie,
and so I called his home and got his assistant
and I woke her up and I said, sorry, Coca,
I didn't mean to wake you up, but I told her.

(01:49:03):
She goes, get down here. David's out on a date,
but I'm going to go find him. You shouldn't be alone.
And it was just it was just so the whole night,
and three of us watching the news just couldn't believe
what was happening.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Did you did you know people who worked at the Dakota,
like the dorman, the security guards. There's someone you could
call the air and find out what was going on,
you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Knowing the Dakota, that's not the thing you would have done,
because you know, it would have been switchboard with a
lit up and you couldn't get through. I know, I
know the operation, So it wouldn't have been a place
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Any neighbors you could have called.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
No, I didn't know anybody at that point, and it
was just so hard to think. I mean, I finally
met years later, and I met the cop that arrested h. Chapman,
and and he told me, you know, and he said
he's he just wanted to be famous.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Now, you don't you know you said you couldn't call
the switchboard of the Dakota, But Elliott Mint said he
called the security bit.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Yeah he could, but his student he has direct line
into the house. Okay, so it's a little different.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Now, what about too, Now you have some stories that
say that that Yoka was walking in with her entourage.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
But yeah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
You never hear anything about these people that were with
her that night.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
I have no idea, Okay, no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
And now after that, you stayed in touch with Julian though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Yes, well I stayed in touch with Julian and and
and and Cynthia. And you know Cynthia is Cynthia just passed, yeah,
and so and you know Julian is uh, he came over.
Cynthia wanted to come over and accompany him because he

(01:50:58):
was a young boy, and and and from what I understand,
Yoko insisted that Julian come alone.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
So come where over to America to go to John's funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
H I don't know if you, but go to come
over to the Dakota.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
After the after the right right after shortly after the murder. Yeah,
that's interesting. She didn't want Cynthia to come. No Ah,
what do you make of all these stories about people
who worked for Yoko? They're trying to write a book
and suddenly they get arrested, you know what I'm talking about? Like,

(01:51:39):
I know, you know what, Yeah, it just seems like
there's a lot of headaches you know what what.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
You have to do at the end of the day
is you know, look at all the stories. Do they
match up with other people? Sure? It does, you know,
but why why did it happen? I mean, I guess important,
I mean, I guess I'm pulled judgment, you know, however,
but you know he's uh, it's just it's you know,

(01:52:08):
what am I going to tell you when all of
this started to go, I think you're telling me now.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
My question for you though, have you received any kind
of you know, seasoned assist letters or any kind of
you know, headaches from all listen now, No, not Julian though.
You know he had trouble getting his his will, the
stuff from the will, you know, his inheritance. And isn't
there a story that he actually had to purchase his

(01:52:34):
own father's memorabilia off of eBay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
He does. He does buy stuff, yes, because that's how
did it wind up on eBay? Well, you know, the
fact is there are things that I guess the the
the estate owns and and he has to purchase from
the estate.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
Right, So there's a lot of like cold hard hearted
in all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
You know, it's something you know, I can't really speak
because it's not firsthand from me, but you know, I
do know that he does purchase different things. But you know,
and if if it's whatever, you know, however it's out there.
Some people have some certain things.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
And you know, now we're down to the last seven
minutes and I don't want to leave off on a
bad note. Yes, we should be celebrating. You know, you're
receiving this award, which you know I'm joking around about it,
but come on, it's a big.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Deal, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
You know, it really is Ambassador of Rock and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
I love these people that and I love the organization.
They do a great show if anybody wants to see.
These are hardworking actors and going out there performing. They
you know, Monday night is a dark night, uh, you
know on Broadway. So they've been rehearsing and it's and
it's really Corey and Donnie, Corey Gardner and and and

(01:54:01):
Donny Kerr. They do so much and then you know,
and then the sponsors and all these people really give
up a lot of their time to help others. And
this is for a good benefit, you know, and and
to good you know, to raise money to help other people.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Six minutes. So now you also do a lot of
stuff other stuff to walk your.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Jewelry, jewelry design, my own FUNCTURET jewelry. People can actually
write to me from through my website. You know, Uh,
there's my book is also you know, they're having a
hard time finance because it's no longer in print, you know,
So I I have a few copies. Yeah, and then

(01:54:41):
you know, there's there's different things. And if anybody you know,
like I said, if you're going to talk and you
want to hire me for for other things, they can
also reach me through there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Now I have links to three of your books up
on my They won't be able to get books from
there if they go to Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
Oh they can, I mean, but they won't get it
uh signed or anything by.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Okay, great, And they can go to Maypang dot com
and get a book directly from you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Yeah how much are they Well it's different, so they
can they can because it's different because some people write
to me from from Europe. So it's all it's all
different on that level.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Okay. So and now we get the function jewelers jewelry.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
And so which you know it's stainless steel. And right
now I have a limited amount, you know, because I
have to deal with the supplier, so you know, I'm
trying to do also so many things all at once,
so it's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
But do you have any other appearances coming up?

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
You know what's going to be Funny Vinyl, which is
the new HBO series. There's somebody that's playing me. God
only knows what that episode is going to be about.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Do you know who they are playing you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
No, I do, I do. I don't know who she is,
but you know, it's a new I think it's a
young actress because it's got to be for that time
period of the seventies, right, Oh, you know, but that's
all I know. I don't know what the episode's about.
I know nothing. So it's kind of it's gonna be
kind of weird that to find see somebody up there,

(01:56:12):
you know that's playing me.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Yeah, and you know what, I wonder if they're going
to have that same kind of New York accent.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
I don't know. I bet you they don't. I bet
you they. But you know what, my accent was not
as intense as it is now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Okay, see, because I always say my accent is as
intense as it was either.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
But you know, once you go someplace, you know, you
do adapt to the to the area.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
So one quick question to David Peele, I want to
ask you what this Now. There's a story going around
that David Peel that the FBI was surveilling John Lennon
the night of the assassination, but they made a mistake
and they were following David Peel instead because you look
so similar.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Do you know that story? No, I've never heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Ever heard that story. Okay, I think that's actually in
FBI documents.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Oh well, I have no idea. They can't. If the
if the FB I can't tell the difference, we're in trouble. Well,
I think we're in trouble. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
And I went real quick too, because another thing that's
stuck in my head is you mentioned something about the
Hell's Angels being up at the Where were the Hell's
Angels up at the Dakota or the No.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
They were not. They were more when they lived in
the village and they lived on Bank Street. Yeah, when
they were in downtown. So that's where that's where everybody
was hanging out. It was a period where you know
that it was all with with the Hell's Angels and
the Yeppes. It was all in that same time period, okay,
around seventy two, around nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
May Pang, thank you so much. I can't thank you enough.
And hopefully we can get you back again. And if
you ever have anything you want to promote, you let
me know right away. I'll put it right on here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
Okay, you got it, god Bles, thank you, Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
There we had May Pang, uh famous uh historical figure.
Now she's been nominated here for this Ambassador of Rock.
I really want to thank you so much for coming
on the show. A real sweetheart off the air in
On Monday November ninth, seven thirty pm. May Pang is
being honored with the Ambassador of Rock Award at La

(01:58:10):
Farsan Rouge at one fifty eighth Lieka Street in New York.
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have coming up the daughter of Malcolm X. We'll be
on our show next week. Then I have doctor Fred
Whitehurst who is testified before Congress regarding I know it's

(01:59:15):
a nonsense to testified for Congress. I ignore that, but
he testified before Congress on the Waco. He was involved
in the oj trial t W a FBI whistleblower. He
will be on in three weeks, So we just have
one week where we need to find a guest.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:59:33):
I'm doing a show for the member section on satanic
ritual abuse. Check out the member section at Oppermanreport dot com.
I did a show just with another show about satanic
ritual abuse. A guy who works for RUSSI his door.
We just did a show with him Thursday night. I
believe it was I think it his name Richard Todd.
I think his name is and Richard Dunn. That's what

(01:59:55):
it was. Yes, is an after show. I'm gonna reboot here.
We're gonna start up with the after show. The after
show will be what do you call a devoted to
my dedicated to my daughter's fifteenth birthday beach at the
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