RIP Arnie Lerma Scientology Whistle Blower ( Rebroadcast)

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But tonight we are honored and really really really really
really lucky to have what's his name, mister Ernie Larmer
Arnie Are you there?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, you said, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
How are you? Brother? Tell us about yourself and how
you got started with scientology.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Oh boy. When I was a little kid, I he
was one of those guys that would take everything apart
to see how it worked on the inside. My mom
was a single mom, and so i'd have some time
left over after school, and on the way home was
a big library and I'd go there and I'd agree,

(05:44):
And I think when I was eleven, I took one
of those correspondence courses. In the back of Radio TV
Electronics it said learn to be an Electronics technique, and
I think it was twenty two dollars. I was in
ninety five cents from my paper route money, and I

(06:04):
took a course in electronics and learned on vacuum tubes
and fixed my first TV. By the end of the year,
ended up being a technician and service manager at the
number of the hottest hype fi store in DC called
Meyer Emco, right on Connecticut Avenue, and I was living

(06:26):
in I was living in the nightclub district in Georgetown
in a second story apartment with two nurses that were
going to Georgetown University, and I decided I joined the
Sea Orc.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well how'd you hear last? Wait, how'd you hear about it?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Though? While my mother was involved, she had been the
director of the organization's evening and they call it the foundation,
but she was she was essentially the director for a while,
and she had wanted me to get involved in it.

(07:05):
For her, it was a solution to keep me from
you know, smoking pot and take an LSD, which was
kind of in back then, and I thought it was rubbish.
I think I looked at dianetics and thought, this doesn't
make any sense. And I trusted my instincts enough to

(07:25):
know that if it doesn't make sense. It's not my problem,
it's there. But she kept up at me, and she
got me to read a different book. I think it
was called New Slant on Life, and something in it
got to me, and I became a believer because I

(07:48):
knew I could find out anything I wanted to find
out about how something in the physical universe operated. But
it seemed like nobody had a clue how the mind
of rated. Because if you know, I mean, if you
could make people saying, then there would be no war,
right right. You know. I'd been tear gassed on the

(08:09):
on the north side of the Pentagon in sixty eight
and went the woodstock in sixty nine. Though I don't
remember the last day, I remember the first two days,
and I was having a great time as a kid.
I you know, I was making with the equivalent of
seventy thousand a year a service manager. And then decided

(08:34):
I joined the Sea Organization, you know, and try to
save the world. Why for the other world was worth saving?
And how old are you? Nie, and and Hubbard said
that he I'm sixty four, okay, all right, So I
mean I was nineteen and making really good money. And

(08:55):
then decided I joined psychology, which is crazy considering what
I had going for. So anyway, so then I got
involved with them, and because I had an electronics background,
I sort of got treated a little differently because they
were having problems that nobody else understood, so but I did,

(09:15):
and so I fixed the problems. Anyway, so I ended
up in the Sea organ that I got out in
seventy in a winner of seventy seven seventy eight. Right
after they had gotten rated, after I'd met Hubbard's daughter
in New York, she had you know, in psychology, you're

(09:39):
supposed to be able to send letters to Hubbard and
he'll answer them. So I had a dream and in
the dream, I dreamed of this device that I thought
might be really cool if we could make it, and
I may just action said how we might how we
might be able to do it and send it to Hubbard. Well,
Hubbard doesn't really answer the letters. There was a room

(10:00):
filled the kids and the answer the letters. But the
person running that room of people that answered the letters
was Susette Hubbard. And if one of the kids gets
a letter that they can't answer, they give it to Suzette. Well,
they didn't have any idea what I was going on about,
so they gave it to Suzette. Well, she didn't have
any idea what I was going on about either, So

(10:24):
she sent me a message when she was in New
York while her father was hiding out at a super
secret location in the Bronx at the time. It was
called Ronie for Really Office New York, and she said
she wanted to meet And I said, who wants to

(10:45):
meet me? And they said, well, Suzette, Susette.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, also I met Suzette and she talked about this letter,
and I blamed a tour and pretty soon both of
us were hearing violins playing off in the distance. It
was sort of who is sort of love first sight.
And then they brought her back to headquarters, I think,
get away from me, and I ended up flying down

(11:14):
there and we were going to secretly get married. We've
got blood tests and a marriage license. And she was
setting her auditing therapy and she at the beginning of
each of these sessions, they asked people a series of questions,
and one of the questions is you listen to this one?
I mean, you're gonna dig this. Is there anything someone

(11:39):
almost found out about that's during the auditor. Now they
asked all their members this question. Yeah, well, I mean
at the beginning of any auditing session that they do.
They asked this question amongst a couple others. But you've
got to understand that Tom Cruise and John Travolta I
have answered that question all the time, and they write

(12:02):
down those answers. Eddie. Where we could get back to that,
eddiehow So Susic gave up the fact that we had
gotten blood tests and a marriage license, and suddenly I
was placed under arrest, couldn't leave the room, and then
brought into a room and with a light bulb hanging

(12:24):
from the ceiling, a desk and a single chair, I believe,
And that's pretty much all I remember about the room.
And I do not recall the conversation. I do not
recall the two guys that were asking me questions. All
I recall is the conclusion from their presentation, which was

(12:48):
I was being given an offer of saying a passage
out of the state of Florida with all body parts
still attached if I told Susan that the marriage was off. Well,
this this incident was enough of a shop I mean,
like classic shop therapy, enough of a shop to my

(13:10):
system to wake me up from the Scientology trance. And
I thought, well, if they're capable of this, what else
are they capable of? No matter how good this seems,
I'm getting the hell out of here alive. So I
walked out and Susette looked at me. I looked at her,
and she burst out crime and I told her we

(13:33):
were do her. But I credit miss Hubbard with saving
my life and getting me out of Scientology. I mean,
it's kind would be kind of hard for her to
leave with her father in it and her mother, But
Suzette Hubbard basically saved my life and brought me out
of Scientology. For that, I will be forever grateful.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, let me ask a quick question.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yea, I answer your question.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, but you said you got arrested and you're saying
you got a rested by the Scientologists on their boat.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well all that arrested to detain right. No, No, this
was after they'd gotten off the boat and at the
Fort Harrison Hotel. It might have been at the Jack
Tar Hotel before they tore it down, you know, because
they had the jack Tar and the Fort Harrison were
across from each other. It was a while ago.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I got you. Now, So then they grab you
and they handcuff you and they throw you in a
room or like they had a cell.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, no, they didn't handcuff me. They didn't grab me,
and I wasn't placed in a cell. I was placed
in a room and said you're confined here. You know,
two guys were standing outside the door. Either of them
was bigger than me. I actually, it's not like you
have a lot of horses.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Did the room have a bed.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
There, handcuffs. I wasn't duct taped to a chair, and
I wasn't beat with rubber hoses. But the offer they
made was on mistake.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And this was all because you wanted to have a
relationship with her Hubard's daughter.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, well she wanted you know, yeah, it was it was.
It was what hell of an infatuation. I mean, good gosh,
it was. It was magical, right, what can I say?
One of those things that happens when you're you know,
twenty five years old and you're twenty six years old

(15:31):
and you've got a boatload of testosterone and she's got
a boatload of the other one.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
But now let me ask you this. Now, because you're
in love with this girl, but you knew that her
father was this really intense guy. Didn't that set you off?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
In Well? Yeah, but you know she would ask that
is that used to say, well, aren't you concerned about
who my father is? Well, I Insteining here was thinking,
all this guy is done so much good for the world.
It has the secrets to the universe. Right, uh, all right,

(16:07):
all right, let me ask the questions. I was in
the trance now, now where you where you want to?
I was a good pathologist, right, okay, because you really
dug it? Pardon me, you really dug it? Oh? Yeah,
I mean I still thought it worked. I mean I
thought they had some organizational problems, you know, I thought
some of the people that were working there were crazy.

(16:27):
But I still thought Hubard had a shifting together.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Gotcha watch the language?

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Did okay?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Watch the language and told that moment?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
No, that's okay, okay, Now what kind of stuff did
you experience when you were in there with these guys?
I want to hear all about the kind of stuff
like his fascination with Crowley, the Manson connections. Well, when
when you were in there, what did you experience that
would kind of freak us out that we would want
to know.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I had a very benign experience. I'm not the guy
to interview for horror stories that you experience in scientology.
In one instance, in nineteen seventy five, I think I
got sent to their prison. RPF Rehabilitation Project was, you know,

(17:22):
and lots of people tell terrible stories of this. And
when I got set to it, unlike other people, I
told them where to go and I left where I
was the position I was in in Los Angeles and
drove with another gal that had also been sent to

(17:45):
the slave area, and we went to the office in
New York and walked in there and walked up to
the guy that read it, and you said, Hi, we're
from the Pacific pack area and they're as you may
have noticed. And we both got said to the RPS,
but we're not going, and we wondered if you needed

(18:06):
somehow because we didn't want to leave the Sea York
and you know, that office in New York was a
rat hole and he was askeder for staff and he
said welcome aboard, and I started working there. It was
while working there that I ran into Suzett right because
she was also in New York cross Town while Harvard
was hiding. Now, okay, very interesting. I don't have I mean,

(18:33):
at one point, okay, I do have one thing. I
did get locked up in a wire room because they
thought I was you know, they thought I was throw
the CIA or something. Okay, Well, what would I wake
you for some interview? Well, you know, there guys were
doing a security check looking for infiltrators or something, and

(18:55):
they were doing these interviews in this little closet room,
and nobody had the key to the closet room, and
so I pulled out a paper clip, but I picked
the lock. So they thought I was a you know,
a professional. Gotcha had that for a living? I wasn't remember,

(19:16):
I said, as a little kid, I used to take
everything apart. I took lots apart too, right, you understand
I did it. It was an old, worn out ilko.
You know you could you could almost do them with
your thumbnail.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay, Now, soon out when when you were on there
and you're dating Hubbard's daughter, how how often did you
interact with hub when you were on the sea organ
you're dating Hubbard's daughter, how often did you interact with them?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
On Hubbard perhaps a couple of months in New York.
We were dating. We'd see each other on the weekends.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
And then when they they moved her down to uh
clear Water, I had take it and met, oh, here's
one for you.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I had to take a medical leap because I got
incredibly billed. The food there was so bad that when
I finally did get a diagnosis for what was wrong
with me, the doctor said that I'd stopped making stomach acid,
which only happens to people that are starving. You know.

(20:28):
It's like, you know, if you don't give a starving
dog a steak, it'll kill it, you know what I mean, right,
because they're they're starving, they can't even digest. They didn't
poison them. Well. I had been selling artwork down in
a village on the weekends to have a little money
because you don't get paid anything. And I mean I
think it was ten dollars a leek or something back then.

(20:50):
That'd be better for psychology. And I always used to
having some patrolium, So I used to make this artwork
that I'd sell it down in the village. So I
always had some bash alund so once a week i'd
go out. I fought myself a decent meal, and evidently
I had a steak one night and it was just
I couldn't digest it. So I got so poisoned me

(21:12):
ended up in the hospital. That was. That was miserable.
And after all of the doctors, you know, you go
to all these doctors and they run these tests on you,
and they say, you know, you don't make any stomach acid.
Why is that? You know, they think you're like a
normal person who eats food. No, I was very skinny.
I was in the Sea Org. I was eating the

(21:33):
stuff that they would serving and at the time there
was a bit of beans and rice. I mean they
don't feed their own staff yet. At the time they
weren't feeding their own staffs. We were shipping freeze drive
filets off to Hubboard.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, so basically everything money for Hubbard. Yeah, everyone working
on the Sea Org was basically slave labor.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, there is you know, absolutely, Well.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
We'll describe it because then I've seen some stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I can work.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I've seen sixty minutes and they had the guys running
around in navy uniforms and stuff. Can you describe.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, it got a lot worse after I left, because, yeah,
to understand I got out in seventy eight. All right,
I've been out for decades and it got It's gotten
harsher and harsher, especially after Hubbard died. And this is kid,
Miss Gabbage is warning it right, it was. I mean,

(22:38):
you know, I think both Hubbard and Miscabbage would be
classed psychopaths. However, you know, some psychopaths are very brilliant,
and you know, some of them know how some things work.
I don't know that Mistavage knows how anything works except
paying bills, buying pis, intimidating people, and doing what the

(23:01):
lawyer tells him to do. No, I mean it really
is a Napoleon complex and a sociopath.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Everyone always says that because he's so short, right, he's
so short, they gave him this nip. They always rate
that Napoleon crack with this guy.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, well the thing is, yeah, well the thingus Hubbard
wasn't short, but he was the same way. I mean,
that man was brutal to his enemies. He stole from
everyone that had a good idea, never gave any credit,
and if they ever asked for credit, he would destroy them.
You know, they're usually this device, the E meter. They
call it the Hubbard electrometer. It's not the Hubbard electrometer.

(23:42):
It was invented by a black electrician named only Matuson
around nineteen fifty fifty. Blood he's the guy that came
up with it. Rubber just stole it from him, you know,
came and you know when transistors came out, he came
out with one. He didn't require two because BOLDI was
back in around nineteen fifty so it used to you know,

(24:07):
we only was actually brilliant and called out, oh, let
me make a question in the con man.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Oh okay, but now have you met Miskivage.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, I haven't met Miss Gavenge. I've been I've been
at his home in New Jersey, trying to get some
money out of his father while he was in the
backyard playing. It's kind of funny because there was a
noise at the back window and the sound of scraping

(24:45):
on a on the screen, and I said, what's that?
And his dad run. Misscavige says, oh, that's I must
be daving my son. He's playing in the backyard. So
he would have been looking in through the window to
see these two guys in the organization. You know, the
Navy officer's uniform. I look pretty good in the uniform.

(25:09):
And okay, I like to fantasize and think. I think
that when he saw me and my friend Gary Lowe,
he was he was. He was a sharp dresser too.
He looked great in the uniform. He looked at the
pair of us there talking to his father, and he
might have looked but I want to be just like them.

(25:31):
Imagine how much this would bother when he reads the
transcript it's sent up.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
To gotcha, Now what about now?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Miss Giveage was a little that was a little died.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Miss Gabbage. Though he doesn't run around in an uniform anymore, right,
repeat that, Miss Gavege. He doesn't run around in a
navy uniform anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
They've done away with that.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh oh no, he still does staff for ceremonies and
things internal. He's probably not doing it in public as
much as he used to. I mean, but no, they
still wear that stuff. It's still the official uniform. Yeah,
so I might have some new uniforms based on survey
technology that are more socially acceptable to hide the fact

(26:21):
that it's basically an emult emulation of the Nazis. Reincarnated
today in Los Angeles, using the same mind control technology
with a different settle, live different short story, but the
same stuff. You know, you give somebody a purpose, you
tell them they're doing good things, and then you tell
them to go kill people. I mean, essentrally, that's what

(26:44):
we're doing. I mean, is this most recent incident in
the La Times reported just the other day. He hired
a private investigator, paying him ten thousand dollars a week.
That's an enormous amount of money. Me and and and

(27:05):
the private investigator calls up what he sees you to
track his own father, to keep an eye, you know,
to surveill his own father. Well, his father was evidently
looking for a cell phone which Propey had him and
feeling around on his chest to see whether he had it.
And p I thought he was having a heart attack

(27:26):
and called headquarters and Miss Gabber comes back and says,
let him die. Wow, that's unbelievable. This is this is
like La Times two days ago. Big story.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I didn't catch that one. But you know you were
talking about how it was Nazi like, right, what do
you know about Alan Subburd's connections to actual Nazis? The
Nazi Party in Germany.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Go, oh boy, you at the St. Bob Nail version,
which is a long answer. Are you a short version
which will take more than one interview, or you want
the long version which require buying the book?

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
You know, by the way, man it tell us about
the book? Do you have a title for it?

Speaker 5 (28:17):
And when?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
When's it coming out?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It should have been out already. I gave myself another
thirty days. And uh. It's called Lermanetics, which is very
fact or quite appropriate. It's called Lermanetics exposing the modern
science of deceiving the public for the profit advanced psychological

(28:47):
techniques to reverse engineer for two decades in the old
scientology war. There's a bunch of case histories of actual
incidents that have happened that illustrate each of the techniques used,
and those same techniques are used as scientology to get
the people that read the books to accept the rubbish

(29:11):
as being true. If you accept enough of this tough
as being true, you're lo to the inescapable conclusion that
you have to get involved in scientology and give them
your money to get rid of this thing that Hubbard
invented called a reactive mind and there's a technique used
to get people to get that belief. There's actually a

(29:37):
number of techniques used altogether. They could be described as rhetoric.
They couldn't be described as covert hypnosis. Some people have
called them neuro linguistic programming. But the near and short
of it, I like calling it covidsis because it's it's uh.

(30:03):
It makes more sense to me and aligns more additional
information because humans are incredibly suggestible. Once you do actually
this is a big secret, you elicitor, should pay attention. Okay,
at the moment something occurs, whether it's something happening okay,

(30:24):
you know, a UFO landing in the in the front yard,
or you know, or building getting blown up in Manhattan,
or the cat gets tipped by car. When something shocking,
amazing like that happens, most people stop thinking. You know,

(30:46):
this is most people know this part of it. They
know that you stop thinking. There's even a phrase, a
thought stopping phrase. Well that's only half the story. The
other half, I believe is classified, which is why most psychologists.
I can't find a contemporary psychologist who will discuss it

(31:07):
in this manner. When you stop thinking, you have become
more suggestible when you no longer are evaluating the information
that you're seeing because you've entered a state of mild
state of shock or surprise or awe. Okay, you're not

(31:33):
thinking and whatever you're listening to. You sit there and
you no longer consider the possibility of what you're being
told is any other way. This is just one bit.
If you think about this for a while and look
at times that you've encountered in your own past, you

(31:56):
will find that this is this is used for out society.
This is how they did nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Right, you're describing.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
This is how they they they stage yeah, I mean yeah,
trauma based watch this thing, and then they're telling all right,
and then they're telling you what you're seeing. You know,
Hubbard traumatizes you by telling you how terrible and awful
this reactive mind is that doesn't exist, and then convinces

(32:27):
you that you have to get rid of it, which
he can't. Well, the only reason he can get rid
of your reactive mind is because you creded advice suggestion
to begin with. And then it gets you to pay
through the nose for the rest of your life and
give up your friends and family and it's all very clever.
It's like he tells people that there's a state called clear. Now,

(32:53):
the reason he picked that word to describe it is
because is self evident. If your listeners will consider that
word as a did not command. Clear makes your friends,

(33:14):
your family, your wallet, your your dreams, your white boyfriend, kids,
bank account, everybody that you used to talk to that
you know mentally, it makes them disappear as a suggestion,
makes them invisible. They're still there, but you can't see

(33:37):
them because they're clear. You see what, Yeah, I do.
But now let me ask you this though.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
How did you think of How did Harvard learn that?
How did he come up with that? Was he taught that?
Did he come up with on his own?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's the problem I have. See, I have a serious
problem because if you look at the band's college grades.
You know, when I read that book that got me hooked,
The What's to the Internet, there were no critical books

(34:16):
out about psychology. I believed Hubbard when he said that
he was an atomic physicist. You have to understand that
at my age and I worshiped the al sort of
science and reason. I knew I could figure out how
anything worked already, you know, I mean I was fixing things,

(34:39):
you know, I mean I knew how insides all this
stuff around this work. There was no mystery, but I
did not know how the mind went. And Hubbard promised
that he had figured this out and it made sense
the way he described it. But when he says he's

(35:01):
he was an atomic physicist, he did take one semester
at George Washington University and he got an F F F.
Say you get three times ft F. Think about it.

(35:21):
He doesn't tell you that in diabetics or else. You
would never have listened to him, would you. Right at
the time, atomic physics, I mean, you know, we we
kids dead were being conditioned to duck and cover. Atomic
physics was like this was cutting get stuff. Man, whoa

(35:41):
oh smashing atoms radiation And in the entire world, oh
my god, this was a big deal. Well in the
years and years later, as matter of fact, it was recently.

(36:02):
It was only back in two thousand and six or
two thousand and five. And I came across a copy
of the bulletin of the Auto Scientists from nineteen fifty
nine talking about a lecture my doctor Robert Oppenheimer, who

(36:23):
Bill is called the father of the atomic bomb. Oppenheimer
is lecturing to the psychologists, and he's telling them that
he was very concerned about the advances, the advents technology
of psychology, about these breakthroughs they were making and how

(36:48):
to control what a person believes to be true. And
he said that those breadthroughs made the challenge is that
the atomic physicist face developing the atomic bomb seem trivial.

(37:08):
Oppenheimer used the word trivial. So right there, we've got
the father of the atomic bomb stating that the ability
to control what a person believes to be true makes
the threat of the bomb see trivial. Right, Well, perhaps
we should investigate how that's done. Well, it seems that

(37:33):
when you go to psychology books that a lot of
stuff seems to be disappearing from the current curriculum. For example,
I'll ask you something. You know that repetition helps an
idea stick, right, yep?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
They say if you repeat so why, Well, I don't know.
They say, if you're repeated six times that you remember.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Right, But has anybody explained why, No, that's my point.
They're not explaining why. There's a lot of things like that,
all right, Uh, this atrocity hypnotic induction. This isn't adequately

(38:22):
described in psychological scle of today, at least I can't
find it. I discussed it with bychology graduate one, you know,
a rather involved thing from my book, and I asked

(38:44):
her about this and she said, you know, that was
not in any of our course materials. But we had
a very old professor and one day he gave us
a lecture and he said that this material is no
longer in the books, and that what he talked about.
And I'm not going to try to explain that here
because that I'm sorry that my answers take so long. No, no, no,

(39:08):
tried to explay this stuff. But there's a lot of
check makes like that.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
But now the thing is what got uslf on to
this topic here was I was asking you, how could
it be that Hubbard learned these kind of mind control techniques?
And you said yourself, he wasn't a bright He got
an f how do you learn it?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, it wasn't a bright guy. Yeah. Well, the old
tibers that are bitted psychology from back in the sixteen seventies.
The youngsters, you know, don't believe a word of this stuff.
I'm telling you but the old type revol believe, and
the reason they believe it is they were working there
and they would get new things that Hubard was supposedly writing,

(39:58):
these issues that he would write and bulletins and orders,
and he would come out with so much stuff every day.
Pages and lego may maybe thirty forty pages. And this
is a legal, legal paper on both sides. No timepos
before there's a word processor. Right, No man can do that,

(40:24):
No human is capable of doing that now. But there's
some here's Harbard Braggs that he was able to write
Dianetics at a you know, a few nights or a
few weeks, and he put a roll of Talk's paper
in his typewriter so you could just keep going. Well,

(40:45):
there is more to that story, which is an example
of the answer that you're the answer to the question
you posed. Okay, after I'd gotten all the media, hang
on andia glass of water.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Okay, you know what you do. Listen, I'll play a commercial.
I'll play a quick commercial. Way you're taking a drink.
You got three minutes, okay, make my day. Okay, brother,
I love you. We'll be right back with more of
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with the Ron Hubbard. He's writing a book, should be

(41:21):
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from Scientology. What's that lurma, lurma, Sorry my friend, Sorry,
I got so much going on I'm so distracted. You
have no idea of people hitting me up at the
same time. But we're getting a huge response.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, Bed, you're doing better than Barney Luma A right.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Well, give me time, give me time, all right, I
could mess it up even more, so, don't get your
hopes up.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
All right, all right now, all right, well, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Well, we're trying to figure out where the hell did
Hubbard come from? Who's behind him? Because like you said,
he's not that smart. Somehow he figured out this way
to brainwash a good army full of people, you know,
and milk them for all this money, you know. And
we were talking about what was his connection to the
real Nazis, because they definitely had some mind control stuff

(45:33):
going on. What do you think is there anything in
that or is there anything in his connection? He's claimed
that he worked for like am I six or am
I five, secret Service stuff like that. Anything. Do you
have any weight to that?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, his son in the nineteen I think it was
eighty six Teenthouse interview said that the same people that
transmitted information to Hitler gave information to my father. That's

(46:10):
the way he phrased it. Now, there was a fellow
named George Esterbrooks that worked for OSS, which turned into
the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency back around forty seven
or so, and George Asterbrooks said it has always been

(46:32):
the writer's contention that Hitler is the greatest hypnotist of
our day. George esterbrook said that in nineteen forty three,
Yeah So stated that the only way to avoid having
what you believe to be true manipulated, the only way

(46:56):
to keep from having what you think is real be manipulated,
is to become familiar with the techniques being used upon you.
I know that these techniques will take a normal person
and make them basically an operating sociopath, a person without

(47:20):
conscious You know, there was the School of the Americas
in Fort Benning that trained all those death squads in
South America. You know, they could wipe out an entire village,
every man, woman and child, and that you know, it's
like there aren't that many sociopaths. They had a program

(47:42):
that created a sociopath who could do that kind of stuff,
and that training was given at Fort Benning School of
the Americans, and the training was classified closest material I've
found to the stuff that I've dug up, I'm told

(48:06):
it's classified. Deep welling, I can't say anything, That's all
they tell them. They also say watch your back.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
When you're looking for that. When you when you're looking
for that information, where are you going? Who are you
talking to? That's telling you to watch you back? And
it's classified.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
What I did was it appears that around in the
late fifty late forties or like forty seven is a
good year. Some other things might have happened then too,
but around forty seven a lot of information starts disappearing
in psychology texts. Stuff just doesn't get taught anymore. A

(48:50):
lot of the most brilliant Nazis we're also brought over
under an operation called Operation Paper, and they were given jobs,
you know, big American corporations, manufacturing corporations, university professorships. They

(49:16):
could tank jobs where they could sort of sit there
for a while do what they're good at. But before
they found that opening that they could be placed in,
the Ford founda did a great deal of that. And
that brings me to that's the introduction to the answer
to your question. You see, in two thousands, in Bye

(49:42):
I got a telephone call from a friend of mine
that i'd done some you know, I've done a restaurant
done fancy speakers. It was at a restaurant at Boston
Metro our Courthouse Metro in Arlington, and I've done that
for him back in the eighties or something. Anyway, So
he calls me up in two thousand and five and says, Hi,

(50:07):
how you doing, Bruce? Hey, Bruce, call how you been?
Is there a problem at the restaurant? And he goes, no, no, no,
I sold about years ago. So I've been reading about
show on the internet and I went, yeah, I bet
you have. And he goes, yeah, you've din for a
lot and I go yeah, it suits one along strange

(50:29):
strip It's beIN Power. And he goes, well, I had
something happened to This is Bruce. He's telling me that
he had something happened to him. His father had passed.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Away a while ago, and then his mother had passed away,
and his mother had never unlocked his roll top desk
that was in his father's office, and after his.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Mom passed away, he finally unlocked it. He started looking
through daddy's papers. Well, his father was. I got to
look the name up. The doctor Carroll was the director,
the president of George Washington University in the early sixties.

(51:15):
Before that, he was a director at the Ford Foundation.
And when he was at the Ford Foundation, his nickname
was the Fifth Rider of the Apocalypse. The Ford Foundation
had one division that did psychological research. The material was

(51:40):
considered so disquieting to the mind that the directors would
share running it. They would, you know, they'd only let
let let you let somebody deal with that stuff for
six months, and then another guy would take it over
because the material had such an effect on any body
that ready. They basically planned all of American society. You know,

(52:12):
they plan the centralized distribution systems. They're the ones that
planned for the destruction of Main Street. It wasn't just competition.
This was all planned. They planned to have a society
where everybody was dependent on this centralized distribution system because

(52:32):
they had to be able to control people, and the
best way to control people is to control their access
to food. And now they're doing it with water, right.
But they planned all of them, the little houses all

(52:53):
the same in the suburbs, the mass produced houses. It
was all designed to make the dependent operator obsolete and
to make the corporate big operators give them exclusive driving.
Independent contractors out of business. You know, they didn't want anybody,

(53:17):
if you know, anything worked. They wanted a bunch of
specialties and have it all be consensually controlled. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
And you're saying this came out of the Ford Foundation.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You're saying, yeah, that came out of the Ford Foundation.
But before it was just as a bunch of them.
And they're all they're all trying of interconnected, and they're
all basically front groups. You know how scientology has a
bunch of front groups, right, Well, they've got you know,
Concerned Businessman of America Association, you know, the Way to

(53:50):
Happiness Foundation, they got market On, They've got you know,
a c CHR, Citizens Commission for Human Rights, all of
these things. Well, these guys have had the same deal
with the same agenda, which was the center the controlling

(54:11):
every facet of society and planning in our future. It's
like everything that we see today was planned back then.
But I need to go a little further here. There's
so much material you guys are gonna have to buy
a book or blow your mind and you can have
a nightmares for a while. Okay, after I learned this
stuff that he that my old Fred Bruce told me

(54:35):
he was in shock from what he found inside that cabinet,
and after he explained it to me, I struggled around
for a year in a daze, just looking at everything differently,
going oh my god, it all makes sense now. Well,
it's like we all went through life, Arnie.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
A couple of things. My audience is not.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Surprised that it's not so screwed up.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
My audience is aware of what you're talking about, so
it's not going to shock. And also so we'll have
you back when when the book comes out, and I'll
have you right back. You will come back.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Well yeah, all right, Well I'm just telling you it
shocked me. Yeah, I had a difficult drift material. And
before this fella, doctor Carroll worked at the Ford Foundation.
If you can go to his WEEKI page, there's no
entry for the years after nineteen forty five until he

(55:27):
shows up at the Ford Foundation. Well that's because he
was the director for Operation paper Clip. And you know,
you go to Weekend it says they brought an eight
hundred and forty something rocket scientists. Yeah right, let me
tell you something. They brought in tens of thousands of
these guys. They put them all in the universities. They

(55:50):
put them all into you know, the CIA, They went
to the Defense Intelligence Agency, they went into Foo State
Tank Co Corporation.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, wow, Food and Drug Administration. We were talking up there.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Is a thout. Yeah, say that again, the Food.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And Drug Administration. Remember we were talking off there and
I was telling you about my other guests. Uh, we
can't mention it.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, these are the old Nazis right right,
and you know, just a boat load of them, and
they basically took over. And you see what with Isaac
Hower was talking about the military industrial complex to warn
us he knew about paper clip, but he couldn't say

(56:36):
the word it.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Was class right, Okay, that makes a lot of sense
to now, is it. Yeah, now that you say that.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let me keep going. Okay, well me,
let me just give.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You a notice in view because it's six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Okay.

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I'll tell you what. Why don't you start taking a
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I'll put on the d We're here with the good
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(57:17):
Larma from the Cult of Scientology. Okay, he was in
there on the inside. He knew Hubbard, he dated Hubbard's daughter.
He's the guy who released all those documents on XENU
under his real name. Before that it was being released anonymously.
I want to get into that. Anyway. We'll be right
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soon as you get back, just you make you okay,
you know you're pad okay. I hope we can get
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that kind of stuff too. But all the stuff we're

(01:05:22):
getting into here about the Nazis is pretty big stuff
as well. As a matter of fact, I can remember
way back around the time when Arnie was posting there
in Alt Religion and Alt cos on usenet, back in
those days when all that stuff came public that caused
all this big attack on him with these lawsuits and

(01:05:45):
these private investigators and all the attack that when they
he was deemed to be fair game by scientology and
their thugs and their lawyers and their private investigators. And
not all private investigators are nice, fun guys like me, right,
and that kind of the kind of people you want
to hang around with.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Arnie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Are you back yet?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
What if we lost Arnie? What if those scientology thugs
came down and got Arnie and we'd have no show?
That would be horrible. But I'm sure he'll be back
in in a minute or two. Here, Uh you Walt
Disney too. Hey, I'm getting a message here from JP
is telling me that Jack Parson's Walt Disney. I was
also hooked up with al Ron Hubbard. I'd love to
hear that story too. Since we get back here with

(01:06:29):
the good old Arnie Lerma. So coming up next week,
we got the Ganja Gangster. Oh, Arniere back, Arnie? Are

(01:06:49):
you back?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Arnie?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I see it typing, Oh putting on his ears, He's
putting on his headset. It's getting ready to join us. Back, Arnie.
I got a question from the chat room. You might
be on mute there, Arnie, but I got a question
from the chat room. What is the connection between l
Ron Hubbard and Walt Disney. You there, We're back on

(01:07:29):
the air.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Okay, now you're okay. You can hear me, right, Arnie, Arnie,
you don't hear me at all? I hear you. Fine.
How's that? Let me see if I'm on mute. I
don't think so. I can hear myself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Good dear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Oh I'm on mute. I was on mute, Marnie. I'm sorry.
That was me. That was my stupid folk. I'm sorry. Brother.
We got a question from the chat room. Welcome back,
by the way, we got a question from the chat
room about the connection between Walt Disney and Alroon Hubbard.
What do you have there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I don't. I don't know anything about the connection between
Walk Disney and Olroon Hubbard other than the sources of
manipulation might have been the same. Gotcha, Now what about
that would make things look very similar?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Now, you know we would go into a lot about
Operation paper Clip. Now, what about the connections between Jack Parsons.
Jack Parsons, you know, from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a
famous Satanist, and his connections with al Ron Hubbard. What
do you have any firsthand information on that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Well, Jack had ran a lodge called the Gape Lodge
on the walls of each room was a big picture
of Alistair Crowley. And in the psychology organizations on the
wall of each room is a big picture of l
Ron Hubbard. Oh really, that's where he got the idea. Yeah,

(01:09:16):
I went to the Air at Space Museum and they
had a display of Jato rockets and they were cut
away so you could see the inside. And I was
probably the only person that noticed this. But yeah, and
a solid duel rocket. The hard thing is getting it

(01:09:36):
to burn consistently controlled burned, because it's a fine line
between being a you know, a Fourth of July firework
and a bomb. Anyway, the control, the whole that's cut
all the way through the Jada rockets is in the

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cross section of a pentagram. I thought that was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
And now what do you make of that? What do
you make of that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Is there more to it? Just in a yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Well, I can't say that I know a lot about
Satanism or Luciferianism as a subject other than you know,
Alster Crowley, do as thou whilst, which basically would be

(01:10:39):
a great rule to live by. If you had no conscience,
you can do whatever it needs to be done without
conscience and one of the scientology. Whatever Harvard did in scientology,
he manages to hijack and No Five versus conscience. So

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they think they're doing good works, but they're in fact
doing the most amazing evil acts, but they think it's good.
I mean, they had people going through John Travolta's folders,
which are supposed to be confidential. You know, this is
religious confessional formulary, they say, But they just had people

(01:11:30):
go through the folders to pick at everything that John
Travolta had ever said that he did. In answer to
that question, have you done something that someone almost found
out about you? I mean, if your audience answers that
question a couple of times, you come up with some
pretty nasty stuff, but it's all stuff that's part of

(01:11:51):
being human, nothing really to be ashamed of. Hubver. Basic
scientology basically turns its members into obedient slaves, willing slaves
who will do whatever they need to do to stay
in scientology and get access to the next secret. At

(01:12:17):
the time that I posted the story of Xenu, I
was aware that the fact of the secret kept so
many people in scientology because if they didn't know what
the secret was, they would invent something in their mind
was so incredible, so strange, so out of this world,

(01:12:42):
horrible or whatever. It was so fantastic imaginary incident that
had to be the reason that a it was secret
and becomes the reason to endure all of the abuse
that you suffer in, the financial hardshire ship and the
disconnection from you know, friends and family. Plus you're living

(01:13:05):
in a fairy land where everybody in the outside wrote
pigs during nutball. But let me let me ask a
good reason to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
They'll ask. It is now the common theory is, or
the common belief is that the reason why Travolta and
the Tom Cruise, uh, they're being blackmailed by something, and
the theory is, well that they could be homosexual. Okay,
now you got John Travolta. You know he's kissing his pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I know, but absolutely, I mean, how could you. It's
so difficult. You give up all of your deepest, darkest secrets,
everything that's happened to you as far back as you
can remember, and they all get written down. You know,
that's an awful lot of leverage on a brain.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, but Arnie, at this day and age, everyone already
assumes and Trevolt is gay, and even what's his name too?
The other one cruise like there's someone feeling just assume it already.
Why wouldn't they quit the church?

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Are they happy there? You think they really believe this
or that? Where they have some of the bigger dirty
on them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
You're assuming that the secret is that they're.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Dead, right, That's what I'm saying. It could it be
something else?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
What if it's something worse than that? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Well what can it be?

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
You know, like, well, what are the favorite ways to
get control of a congressman who won't cooperate with you?
It's just set them up with somebody that's under age
and then you got them for statutory rape and pedophilia, right,
and you know that happens. You know, it's called a
honey trap. And it's just the way business is on

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Capitol Hill these days.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, we just interviewed it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
It's been that way.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
We just interviewed the confessions of a DC madam, Henry Vinson,
who ran those homosexual escort services there in DC with
the whole Franklin cover up and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Oh look, yeah, listen, give me, give me two minutes.
I was in a I was doing a I was
doing an installation at a lobby firm in DC and
they and they wanted and I just fixed everything up
so it worked. And they had some big shot coming
in that they were trying to impress, and they asked
me if they could come in for that show. I said, yeah, sure,

(01:15:21):
just pay, you know, pay the labor bill, and they
said fine. So then they got this big shot sitting
there and they bring in this lovely gal. Oh my god,
she was. She was a she was a nine or ten, okay,
and she she moved really well, and she, you know,

(01:15:41):
she was reading off the flip charts and talking about
the PowerPoint presentation that was very slick. But he wasn't
looking at that. He was looking at her boobs. But
but he didn't seem real interesting. So then they pulled
her out and they brought in this a full black
man twenty years old, twenty two maybe you know, fresh

(01:16:04):
out of college. And this guy was he was a
very attractive young black man. And when he came in,
the client licked his lips. So they left him in
there to the rest of the presitation. Doing a talking

(01:16:25):
to some of my friends in d C. Some of
these lobby firms specifically go out and hire from the
bottom third of liberal arts colleges to pick the prettiest ones.
It's basically legalized prostitution. Sure, yeah, thanks. I mean you

(01:16:49):
know that show. There's that TV show with Kevin Spacey,
you know, House of Cards, and people say that that's
uh they say it's sort of a dark view of things.
Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no, I grew
up in DC. Let me tell you something. Those incidents

(01:17:10):
that they should that they show. I didn't know all
of the incidents that they showed, but I was familiar
with at least two thirds of them. And no, they
did not all happen in the same administration, but over
a period of twenty years. Those are all real incidents.
That stuff happens. That's what it's really like. We're screwed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Yeah, I hear you with that, man. Yeah, we had
a tough road ahead of us, little list of that's
for sure. Now yeah wait wait back to zine. Back
to zine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Okay, back to Zino.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Tell tell us the story. What is the real story
of Zeno? Because people would not believe it if they
knew it. What tell us what it is? In reality,
what are what are they believing?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Is well, I'm under an I'm under an injunction of
federal suche to not make copies. But however, I can
recite it by memory, and it goes like this. Seventy
six million years ago, the evil rulers Xenu, in an
effort to assault over population in this sector of the

(01:18:15):
Galactic Federation, invited the inhabitants in or an income tax audit,
captured them, injected them with propolin glycol that's anti freeze,
froze of the corpses, put them in little boxes, transported
them to Earth in spaceships that looked like a DC six.

(01:18:42):
That's what Herbert said, not me. Dropped the frozen corpses
on volcanoes right then was stacked them up at volcanoes,
dropped hydrogen bombs into the volcanoes, and then the resulting
males from an electronic ribbon came up from the implant station.

(01:19:05):
And all of these disembodied spirits stuck to the ribbon
or were pulled down and forced to watch crappy movies
and implanted with pictures that showed them. Now, I want
your listeners to pay attention to this next line that
showed them exactly what society was going to look like.

(01:19:28):
See all of the architecture of the past. The reason
all these things look this way is because it was
programmed in that electronic implant of all of those body batans,
all those spirits, which is the same thing the Ford
Foundation was actually doing. I remember anyway, that'll be in

(01:19:50):
the book. But these clusters are stuck all over you, ed,
mister Opperman. You've got these clusters of dead space sailing
stuff all over your body, and for three hundred and
sixty thousand dollars, Scientology can get rid of them for you.

(01:20:13):
What a deal? You know. In the fine print of
the level, there's a line that says, anyone that doesn't
have body batan's has later been shown to be loaded
with them and will be required to do all of
their previous training and auditing in scientology again at their

(01:20:36):
own expense.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
So, now, once you publish this what happened to you?
You had declared fair game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Well, I had already been on their radar because I
published some other material. I published the Spanish criminal indictment
where the Spanish government indicted them for inducement suicide simulation
of a felony. I didn't actually commit a felony, but

(01:21:08):
it made it look like somebody else committed a felony
to get them in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
And it's a blackmail them or to really get them arrested.
To blackmail them and to get them arrested, we had to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Get them arrested, do you know. I mean they would
stage what looked like a felony and then the police
would move in and then send the data to the
police and the police would come in and prosecute them
for whatever this crime was that was staged. This is
what they did to Paul at Cooper. Paul at Cooper
came out with a book on psychology at seventy one.

(01:21:43):
And what it was was her boyfriend was actually working
for scientology and had taken a piece of letter hit
from her desk in her office in her bedroom, from
her desk in her bedroom, and that piece of letterhead,
a pullet's letter head, was scott taped to the back

(01:22:05):
of a of a clipboard. And then a pretty girl
knocked on the door one day. You know, I'll call
it hello, would you like to save the whales?

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
And Paul it held the clipboard in her hand and
signed you know, yeah her name to save the Whales.
Tape to the back of it was her letter head
face down on the back that put her fingerprints on
the paper. They then typed a bomb threat to Henry Kissinger, Wow,
and nailed it to him. Now, when the FEDS, of

(01:22:43):
course came to get her, you know, nobody believed her story.
Would you We got your fingerprints on the paper you
made the threat.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
That would be tough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yeah. Ended up taking Truth Serum and the and they
didn't stop the investigation, but they stopped the prosecution based
on the Truth Serum story. And then when they rated
Scientology in nineteen seventy seven, they found the actual program
called Operation Freaked Out that described how the job was done.

(01:23:26):
It was all a charade, you see. Hubbard says that
the only people that attack us are criminals, and they
have a whole office filled with people whose job is
to make.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
That so right, got you okay, because then people are
declared fair game and you could do whatever you want
to them. It's okay, even even break the law.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Well that's right. Well, well, they tell their members that
when you get the top of their chart, their gradation chart,
and finished all of the stuff you do with scientology,
and you have given them all room, you'll achieve a state,
you know, of total total freedom.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Well, the only total freedom you get in scientology is
the freedom to destroy your own is without being disciplined
by scientologist, which is written in their own materials. No
scientologists may be disciplined or anything they do to an
enemy of scientology.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Let me ask you a question. Now, are you familiar
with the process Church of the Final Judgment?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Okay, Now they were an offshoot of Scientology. Oh yeah, okay,
Now what do you come up with?

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
That one? That's Grimstone and it's out rights. Yeah, and
I saw them Grimstone A Yeah, those guys were ex
scientologists from London organization, right number one. And I don't
know whether h what's his name? Uh Manson was a

(01:24:52):
member of the Processed Church. I know that his picture
appeared on the cover of their magazine one month. Yeah. No,
Procetest Church was basically side poler v crap, the same stuff,
different story, see your same techniques, different short story. Okay,

(01:25:15):
Manson himself at the spun Ranch. I'm trying to pick
him fellow's name, the guy that the guy that wrote
The Realist years ago. Who should have.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Think of, well a realist ed Sanders.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Before him. This is back in the seventies. Anyway, it
starts with the k Crass. Okay, sure they sued Paul Craster, Yeah, Paul.
They s Paul Craster because in one of his issues
he said that there was an E meter at the
Spawn Ranch. Well there was, there wasn't the spot Ranch.

(01:25:56):
And you know he he fought it and they finally
dropped the suit. When man's in practice scientology when he
was in prison and actually took a couple of the
basic courses in Los Angeles, which are basically you know,
they tell you. The story they tell you is you're
going to come in and learn how to confront other people.

(01:26:19):
But what you're actually practicing are gypnotic techniques that they
get you to do to each other. I be sure
there's a story of what you think you're doing, but
you don't have to tell somebody you're hypnotizing them to
hypnotize them, for example, to create a very deep trance.

(01:26:40):
And and if if you're if your listeners want to
go ahead and go into a trance now they can
you know, just relax I'm not going to tell you
to send me money yet, all right, but uh well,
all you have to do is at somebody to imagine

(01:27:00):
something that's moving that isn't really there. Yeah, like a
ball rolling across the floor. You know, imagine an orange
on the floor. An orange falls off the table, bounces
twice and goes out the door. Now imagine the orange
falling off the table, bouncing twice and going out the door.

(01:27:22):
I do that three or four times. You don't need
me to say it. You can just set there, do that,
and you'll find yourself going into a very suggestible trance.
This is a deep trance technique described in Advanced Clitical Hypnosis,
in a book written in the nineteen thirties. For God's sake,
all right, and it all says you don't have to

(01:27:46):
tell of your hypnotizing them. You can make up a
story and in the story use some kind of story
of setting anything necessary to get the person to imagine
something that is moving that is not really there, and
do it repetitively. That is what scientologies quote upper levels

(01:28:07):
are all about. You do that over and over and
over again, and that's indispersed with suggestions and desensitizing phrases
like there's one that I think they may have removed
it since I started talking about it, But there was

(01:28:28):
one that went something like, mock up a machine for
destroying bodies. Now throw it away. Do this over and
over again in a trance. That's creepy stuff. You know. Yeah,
you're sort of you're basically creating a person that can

(01:28:49):
that is operationally emulating a psychopath. Now. William Sergeant, back
in World War Two was the head of psychiatry and
Britain and they were having big problems because the soldiers
had come back from Ronald's blitzkreaks, they come back to

(01:29:10):
the medical patent. They were like vegetables. They were a
mess because whatever when it could, because the what the
experience was so over the top compared to anything that
experienced previously, they were shell shocked. And this doctor, William Sergeant,
who was a clinician, had a there was a therapy

(01:29:35):
that had been tried called ab reactive therapy where you
have the person, you know, it's very it's kind of
like dinetics. You know, you tell the person to you know,
go back to the incident and stand through it and
then talk about it. For a while and you get
off some of the upset and then you find it

(01:29:56):
an earlier incident. You know, that's like and you do
the same thing. If you can't find any incidents in
ab react therapy, or you know the person, you know,
the incident that screwed them up so bad they can't
approach it at all, you tell them to imagine an incident,
you know, make one up. So they would make up

(01:30:18):
an incident and then act like it was real, and
this made them feel better. The problem was is it
took you know, you had to teach a person a
great deal of psychology to be able to run this.
Said this this technique called ab react therapy, and they

(01:30:44):
didn't have a lot of time and it didn't work
that well anyway, so he needed another solution. So it
came up was shocked there. You know, the electroc could
also shop therapy, but there's also insulent shock. When he
talks about shop therapy, the shot therapy goes back to
Pavlovi unconditioning. You see, you know you're going to have

(01:31:07):
to stop me at some point if I go too deep.
But I need to explain the Pavlock thing and shot
therapy Pablo. You know, I'm not going to explain all
the Pavlov stuff, but you had all these dogs and
he conditioned them and they would salivate, you know, when
the bell was wrung, whether whether they saw the food

(01:31:27):
or not. And and one winter the Volga was very
was frozen over and there was a spring ball and
the ice jammed up under the bridge and the research
room where they had all the dogs was flooding with

(01:31:48):
icy water from the Volga and by the time the
assistance you know, his his lab guys got into the room,
they had to you know, the dogs were absolutely freaked out,
swimming ice water with their noses at the tops to
the cages. And then they had to pull the terrified
dogs down through the ice water to get them out

(01:32:10):
of the cages. You're down to the cage door. What
they found was the dogs lost all of their prior
conditioning from that shock. And that is the discovery that
which is the basis for shock there. Did that make

(01:32:31):
sense to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Me, Yes, it does?

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Yeah, all right, anyway, so we'll have sergeant started to
use the shock therapy instead. Well, and this says back
to dynetics. Now, Harvard rags that he was able to
write Dinetics in the two weeks with a roller. He

(01:32:52):
put a roll ATELECS paper in the typewriter and just
drank it out right. Well after I'd gotten all that
meating for posting you know, XENU in the space cooties
the Internet and been sued and you know, I know,
there was a lot of TV and stuff, you know,
but it was a lot of me. I lost my voice,

(01:33:17):
not as quickly as I'm doing this evening, but I
you know, I lost my voice to so many interviews
and this fellow, oh okay, wait a bit, all right now,
and now this ties back Carol. His father was president

(01:33:38):
at g W who previously worked it up Brishard Paper.
One of his professors see the president of George Washington
University with green professors over for dinner. Well, one of
them told a story about a man named a missing
student that had disappeared. This was a professor Mozelle m

(01:34:02):
O m O s E. L. He was a professor
of psychology and the student had gone missing, and he
went looking for him, and he found him in an
insane asylum called Saint Elizabeth's Mill Hospital. And the student's
name was l Ron Hubbard. He founded student in the

(01:34:25):
striper jacket in a padded cell, screaming that he was
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
That's yeah, I never heard that story.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Okay, so you see when you look at his because
well I know I've never heard it either, But I'm
just telling you how it was related to all right now,
after all of the media, remember I got the call
from from Bruce in two thousand and five, okay, and

(01:34:58):
he told me the story about doctor Moselle. Well, after
all of the media, I got a phone call from
a man with an elegant voice. This fella, you know,
could have been a professor, but whatever he was, this
fellow was used to using his voice and speaking in
an articulate manner. And that's old class. He was very old.

(01:35:22):
And he said, a young man, I'd been reading about
you in the paper. And I said, okay, why did
you have? What can I do for you? And he goes,
would you like to know where Hubbard got the idea
for dianetics? And I said, boy, would I right? And
he told me. He said that when Hubbard was in

(01:35:44):
a Navy hospital, a visiting clinician out of the paper
that he was working on, and he passed it out
to the guys that were sitting around in the hospital
to read to get their opinions. And Hubbard kept is
and I said, do you know the name of the
clinician And he said no, but it was a visiting

(01:36:07):
clinican and gave him the paper. So I got a copy.
And then another lady named.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Wait, you got a copy of the copy of.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
William Sergeant's book.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
No, you said, you got a copy of the paper
that they gave them one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Hubbard, Oh, no, I don't have a copy of the paper.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Okay, I love the book.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Okay, but what I but a few years later, a
lady Ida Can, he was part of the first anti
cult group in America called Citizens Freedom Foundation, handed me
a book by a clinician named doctor William Sargan s

(01:36:53):
A R G A N T, the head of psychiatry
in England. It's quoting from this book telling you about
ob reactive therapy, how similar it is to Dynetics. Okay, okay, Anyway,
when I read that book, I realized that the first
half of Diynetics, including the way the chapters will lay

(01:37:15):
out and all of the subjects discussed, are all in
the first half of William Sargan's book Battle for the Mind,
which was published in nineteen fifty five. But I bet
you in nineteen forty five it was that paper he
was standing out. And it has to be the same thing,
because I've never I mean because a I've had. He's

(01:37:37):
the only guy I've run into who's a clinician. And
the fella that tipped me off to it, I believe
was doctor Moselle, who at the time that he called
me was the retired head of the entire psychology department
at George Washington University. Hubbard wrote got the ideas for dianetics,

(01:38:08):
which is ab reactive therapy, but unlike a reactive therapy
where they tell you the truth, they tell you to
imagine it. Incident, Hubbard just keeps telling you to go earlier,
and then you then you start imagining stuff from other lives.
And then he told us that all that stuff was real.

(01:38:28):
So you end up with all of the space opera
Buck Rogers stories that people are making up, and then
you can sell us more of a science fiction clever man,
But dianetics is closest to a reactive therapy, but turned
on it's head. And anyone that reads the head of
psychiatry in UK during World War Two. William start Dance

(01:38:52):
for a Battle for the Mind and looks at the
first at first, compare the first half of his book,
the first half of Dinetics. That's unmistakable, all the same topic,
except some of them are turk inside out and upside
down to suit Hubbard's story that he invented it. Now,
he couldn't say that he was doing psychology or psychiatry

(01:39:16):
because it would have to be regulated by you know,
he'd have to have to be a doctor or be regulated.
He couldn't call it hypnosis because that's regulation too, so
he called it dianetics science fiction, said I invented it,
which is a lie. But now it was just more
science fiction.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So now that that means though that that that that
would be a theory then that Alwin Hubbard was not
an agent of some type of a Nazi background or
a cult background, Jack Parsons and these guys and Crowley
and all this, but instead he was just a common
con man thief who stole someone else's ideas and published it.
But how could that be when he had all these

(01:39:56):
kind of connections to this series of cult characters who
went on with serious uh you know, Satanism kind of stuff. Man,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Yeah, I understand. As far as government connections scientology, all
I have are shadows. I don't have a smoke and gun,
but the shadows are unmistakable. And you know, if you
use scientology as if it was a I mean, just

(01:40:32):
for a moment, just to have your audience consider scientology
hypothetically as a proof of constep for the control mechanisms
of the new world order. Okay, WHOA Suddenly it makes sense.
Especially if you know enough about scientology, you can recognize

(01:40:56):
the methods that hubric uses get people to accept that
they have something they do not have a reactive mind,
and accept something they do not have called ingram and
believe all of this rubbish and it's all just covert hypnosis.

(01:41:18):
All of these safe techniques are in use in the
society at this time. If you if you've listened to
if you've listened to Obama speak, I don't know about you,
but when I listened to him, he doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
I know what you mean, I know what you mean,
not just him, all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Yeah, he doesn't know all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
They don't make sense when they talk little triggers technique.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Yeah, all the confusion technique. And it is described in
a interrogation manual published by the CIA called the koup
Art Interrogation Manu. And on page forty five of the
coup Bar Interrogation Mandual is the confusion technique and it

(01:42:10):
is titled Alice in Wonderland Really and Scientology uses Alice
in Wonderland in their introductory course. Oh boy, you know.
And at the time that at the time he came
out with that course, that document was classified. Really weird

(01:42:37):
connection is a guy named they used to sell a
book called How to Live Voting Secutive. The man who
wrote it was Richard Demill. I think he was cecil B.
Demill's cousin or the other way around. I think cecil
Be's cousin was Richard. And now Richard Demill was a

(01:43:02):
young man around Hubbard and right at the beginning and
then he's written out of history. But he publish this
book called how do They Have Vote Executive? That was
being sold up until about the nineteen eighty when or
maybe eighty six, and Richard Demill showed up briefly on

(01:43:24):
a CIA foyer page as a contractor to the Central
Intelligence Agency in nineteen sixty nine. We're doing some kind
of psychological research, which I thought a little odd. The
audit about Richard Demill is, you know, some books came
out trashing Carlos Constanta. Okay, well they were written by

(01:43:46):
Richard Demill. Also interesting, fellow, there's a lot more in
the book that's very bizarre about him. All right, eddieway,
But all I have is, you know, all I have
is a shadows. I mean, the technology was the technology

(01:44:07):
that built the third Right, We've got the head, the
head of the head of psychology for OSS during World
War Two, who's saying that Hitler is the greatest hypnotist
of our era. And then you've got dinetics that suddenly
appears in nineteen fifty and it's all bleeding hypnosis. It's

(01:44:33):
all hypnosis and suggestion and outright lies. Ralph Slater, a
stage hypnotist, very famous. This man played Carnegie Hall seven
times approaching the winter of nineteen forty nine. In nineteen fifty,
and then hypnosis starts to disappear from the public psyche,

(01:44:56):
and it's replaced with dianetics, which the old hypnotists described
as the same old sofa with new upholstery. Very right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Just let me hit you with this though, because we
have thirteen minutes left, and in thirteen minutes we're going
to drop two stations. We'll still be on a bunch
of stations, a lot of people will still be hearing us.
But is there anything you want to listen?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
I could go on. I know, I go on for
ten or twelve hours. We're going on for another hour
after that for a little bit. So this all right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Well, we're going to drop some of the office audience
though in thirteen minutes. Do you want to leave them
with anything?

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
All right? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Because what I'm like to get into though, real quick
is the kind of harassment and attacks that you came
under for revealing this information.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
For a couple of years, they right at the house
across the street of the surveillance, had my trash stolen?
You know, they'll take your trash and go through it
to get intelligence. They referred to it as a d
line for dumpster diving. Sure I've been followed. I've been uh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
I have people banging on the door in the middle
of the night and then you go there and they're gone.
I had a report sent to the FBI that I
was like to blackout the Internet, and two agents from
the FBI, one Thomas O'Connor from the Anti Terrorist Unit
in DC, came in and knocked on my door one

(01:46:40):
day and I send a contrary to what my lawyer
told me, I just said, come on in, guys, sit down.
You know there's a CIA really referred to you guys
as sad built inspectors, and I know we've got a
lot of fun. I was flattered that they thought I
would be capable of blacking out the Internet, but they
said three hours there and I landed the whole scientology

(01:47:04):
group gene to them. I used to mail out, you know,
and he said, you know, links to my website and
you know, short one liners that people could read on
postcards and mail them out to scientologists, scientologist organizations, you know,
in hopes that one of these poor hypnotized guys would

(01:47:24):
read it and maybe remember of a website and maybe
look at it, you know. And I had the course.
They called the US Postal Inspectors and said that that
was hate mail. So I've had two two US Postal
Inspectors sitting on my couch for an afternoon and I said,

(01:47:46):
you know. They said, we got to complain about hate mail.
I said, oh, did they give you a copy of
the mail they're complaining about. They said, oh, no, they didn't.
I said, all good, Well, I have a fuver here
of everything I've mailed out here. Why don't you, guys,
said out and take a look. So they went through
all and they said, this doesn't look like hate mail.
I went, very good. May I make a complaint about
psychology wasting your time?

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Good luck with that. The US Post inspectors are greed
of their own. Try and make a complaint about something
to them and see if you get anywhere with them. Nothing.
Good luck with that. They they're no help. But all
to the average person.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Well, well, no they take hate mail. You know, it's
your terrorist activity or whatever. The thing about psychology is
the technology is the safe technology used to create terrorists.
It can remove a function, It could render your conscience nonfunctional.

(01:48:44):
This is a technology for creating terrorists. It creates the mindset,
all right. And I would swear to that under penalty
or perjury. And if anybody question, I could go along
with citations for days and show how that's truth. What

(01:49:08):
are the kind of harasses this is what we're dealing with?

Speaker 9 (01:49:10):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
What other the kind of harassment did you get?

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
I got set up with? I had the honey pot
trap used on me. Okay, I believe they set me
up with a lovely woman who was in coming into
a great deal of money, twice what I had from
selling my house. Between us we be practically millionaires, and

(01:49:38):
that that was more stressful than the litigation and getting
out of that marriage auly with any money left at all.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Now, how much did your lawyers cost you? Did your lawyers?
Did they do it for free?

Speaker 5 (01:49:53):
Or did they?

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
What did that quest you?

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Oh? No, the love for s thought. But ye know
what's interesting is the lawyers that did my case in
nineteen nine ninety five are the ones that were dealing
with scientology when they were sending the letters to HBO.
Jay weren't Brown and Mike Levine two brilliant guys, and

(01:50:17):
they know exactly what they're dealing with college. But I
had I had insurance as a director for a Fight
Against Course and Tactics Network, and we had a million
dollars worth of uh, you know, frivolous litigation insurance and
then a million dollars of director's in genity, which we

(01:50:41):
had to sue them for to get them to pay
for more litigation. And I think I still love that
first law firm A couple one hundred thousand dollars. But
they said they were coming after me unless I hit
the lottery.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Gotcha. I imagine if you didn't have that insured.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Bills that were going by, oh, I would have let
me tell you something. Yeah, speaking of that, they didn't
know that I had the insurance, all right. They thought
they were just going to steamroll me during during they
came at nine thirty in the morning, and during the raid,

(01:51:19):
the president of Religious Technology Corporation I can't believe the
name is gone now anyway, the president of RTC Religious McShane,
Warren McShane, and a fellow named Alan c. Krk Right,
and one other fellow who was the same I don't remember,

(01:51:42):
spent almost thirty minutes in my bathroom with the door shop.
I had a friend there who was running for county board,
a lawyer, Amy Baskaran, who had come with a video
camera to video the whole thing. And after words she said, well,
after I told her what happened, she said, I wondered

(01:52:04):
what they were doing in there. For thirty minutes because
on Sunday night, I rushed my tea and I started tripping.
It was LSD and something else. Had I not done
LSD in the sixties, I would have thought I was
going insane. Yeah, I could imagine they had me down
for accelerating video deposition on the coming Tuesday. And can

(01:52:33):
you imagine what I would have looked like if I
had been up for three days and then showed up
for that video deposition. That would have been the end
of the case and the end of me and my reputation,
because they'd have this video of this crazy man. It'd
been you whacked out on whatever they put on my
toothpace for three days. Right. But you know, a law
firm stopped excel at you know, Hogan and Hartson, a

(01:52:58):
lawyer and named corn Revere used to work for the FCC,
stepped up to the plate and stopped that. And I
and because I, you know, I'm kind of pruval because
if I don't spend the money I make, I have
more time to read and do the things that I
think need to be done in society. So I don't

(01:53:20):
use a whole lot of So I used you a
little smitchet of this stuff. People would say, you know,
you're crazy, why don't you you know, you know, on
television they showed this big blob that you put on.
You know, you know, you have to understand who's giving
you the advice. The people that are want you to
buy more of it. And I just use a little

(01:53:40):
smitcheon of it. So I just used a little smitcheon
of it. And I've gotten dead that night and stuff
starts moving on the ceiling and I went and it
was like a panic, and yeah, and it was more
than LSD. There was something else. But the tests at
the time were almost of one hundred dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:54:02):
And who's to say I just didn't do it to
entrap them, you know what I mean, which means so
I just plus trying to explain it to the police lawyer,
messed up on the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Really didn't go too well. But that's the kinds of
stuff they do. And I'm not the only one. Another
guy Mike in the Clarky that worked for their Dirty
Church division, talks of he didn't he isn't the one
that did it. But they they dosed a psychiatrist before
they were going to give a presentation about coats so

(01:54:37):
that you know, the person wouldn't give their you know,
wouldn't be able to give the presentation. And they didn't
give the presentation. And and I believe that they dosed
that girl, leise On McPherson in order to make her
look crazy before the court case even happened, and before
she died. In there, they use chlorohydrate as part of

(01:55:03):
their regular regimen, but they don't tell you that. They
only do it after you freak out and they tried
to keep you in isolation. They will take it to
a doctor and get your dose with chlorohydrate, or do
it themselves if they can get it. Well, I think
it's so they. I think they do it so much
that at one point they would Discaverage whenever he would
show up, would have a piece of plastic over his

(01:55:25):
cup of water. Oh really, many people that do that
are the people that, yeah, now, why would you do that?

Speaker 12 (01:55:30):
Because he knows, because you know that the stuff's around, right,
because you use it on a guy named art Or
in the raid, you know, yeah, and you're thinking they're
going to dose you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
I mean, you know, but this is a guy that
they just said, you know, just let him die about
his dad well, well they brought PI thought he was
have a heart attack. This is what we're dealing with,
dealing with psychoplasts. Now, there's nothing wrong with hypnosis. Hypnosis
is wonderful stuff, but not when the operator of your
trends is a psychopath. Got it, got it? Listen to

(01:56:06):
Hypnosis is part of life.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Brother, we're two minutes before the break.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
We're playing playing Uh all right? Anyway, Hypnosis is a
wonderful thing, but you have to be the one running
your trans and if you ever let anybody else run
your trans make sure it's a licensed operator, an ethical operator,
not a con man who is a science fiction writer
trying to make a book.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
The end, So, like I was saying, man, we're going
to drop a couple of stations. Do you want to
tell anybody where they can find you your website if
you want to get hold of your book. Someone wants
to interview you next week, and you know we're going
to get a home.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
I've got the wrong. I have been hard, hard to find,
and the media got to me the last dynamic. It's
a big well, big blue haha, and I got burned
out on it. I got you, and yeah, but I
think i'd building strong off the people now. But you
know I'm on face up Arnaldo Lerma on the website

(01:57:03):
is lermannet dot com. We don't use the phone numbers there,
but the PayPal button works if anybody just hit the
mouderator wants to help out. And the book is coming
and I guess you'll hear about it here.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
Yeah, definitely, I will definitely make an announcement for you.
The link to the book will be up on the
Opperman Report blog. This show will be up on YouTube,
It'll be up on iHeart, will be on speaker, It'll
be all over the place. So we're here tonight with
Arnaldo Arnie Lerma. Fascinating guy. I'm gonna ask you some
questions when we get back because I've done little research
in this topic myself. And one of the things I noticed, okay,

(01:57:39):
and I just just hold off until we get back,
is that in the OJ Simpson trial. What's that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
One of the things I noticed? It fine for Yeah,
it was in the OJ.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Simpson trial that there was an extraordinary number of people
involved in that trial, and the news coverage of the trial,
and the police officers in the trout and the witnesses
and the lawyers, the prosecutors that were all members of
the cult of scientology, and even some with connections to
Manson and connections to the process. Check have you noticed

(01:58:12):
anything like that?

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Waiting? Hold on?

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
We'll tell us when we get back. After these message
we're gonna take a nice long break, a nice five
minute break, Arnie could take, make a cup of coffee,
a sandwich and come back and we'll be right back.
And I want to say good night to TSS talk
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(02:02:58):
at seven O two six five, eight nine four. You
can skype in at ed dot Opperaman. We've been joined
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or two six oh five for eight nine four, if
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if you have a question for my guests. Arnaldo Lerma

(02:03:20):
fascinating guy released the XENU documents and went through hell
over it, but he's still fighting.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:03:26):
Listen to this guy. Man, that guy doesn't give up.
Man isn't back down too easy. That they dose them
with LSD. There, that's tapping his phones, that's taking his garbage.
It's no joke, Okay, it's a lot of a lot
of pressure there. I mean to be onder that stuff.
It's Arnaldo or Arnie. Did you ever notice anything strange?
And the old Yeah, Arnie, did you notice anything strange?
And the oj trial about how many of these folks

(02:03:48):
were involved in scientology? Did that catch your attention?

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
No? I know, actually that difference?

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
Okay, well then what did so?

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
I can't help on that one. What did catch your
I mean, if you want to talk about litigation tactics,
what money looks like in a courtroom, that's what it
looks like.

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
Okay, because you know, one interesting thing was Marsha Clark's
ex husband was shot by their scientologists pastor, and that
ex husband too as well, was in a weekly poker
game with the O. J. Simpson.

Speaker 5 (02:04:26):
Was this before after?

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Wait? Man, you're talking about Yeah? Are you talking about
the one in Denver or Colorado? No? Ot shot some guide.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
No, I'm talking about Marsha Clark, the one who performed
the scientology pastor that performed her wedding shot her ex husband,
and her ex husband was at a weekly poker game
with O. J. Simpson and owed him money at the
time of the trial. Or if you remember too, he
also made a stink to about custody the kids during

(02:05:03):
the trial. He set up litigation by fighting for custody
and complaining about what's your name Marshall Clark not being
with the kids while she was at the trial and
having them what a baby said? That was one of
his things. But anyway, listen, if you're not first hand
familiar with that, don't worry about it. We had a
couple of callers. No, I'm not okay man, and there's
a lot there so it'll blow your mind. But we

(02:05:25):
had a couple of callers of regular callers. Mike Gray
is the host of Parlay, another radio show on c J.
Morris Radio on Thursday nights, and also JP who is
the host of Journeys with JP and he owns a
couple of radio stations as well. So, Mike, what kind
of question do you have for our guest Arnie Arma?

Speaker 5 (02:05:43):
Oh, Arnie, Hi, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
Oh? I felt better twenty years ago, but I've got
to buy Okay, Well you look fast, Ernie, Arnie right, Hey,
I had a ton of questions.

Speaker 13 (02:05:58):
By the way, Christopher Darden was dating Marshall Clark during
that trire I remember, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
They were having sex for a while that you have
remember too, my guests that I had on who was
OJ's doctor and was also Christopher Darden's doctor. That guess
they had it. I think his name was Johnson. It's
a great show. It's six hours long, and we get
into all that gossip that went on behind the scenes,
with all that stuff with baby Mom and and all

(02:06:24):
kinds of stuff with Darden. And the whole crew.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Yeah, one quick question.

Speaker 13 (02:06:28):
One quick question I have is what did you think
about the movie The Master? And do you feel that
the actor who played essentially Elron Hubbard, the guy who
died what was his name, Phillips heremore hoften?

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Yeah, do you think that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
Maybe he was murdered for portraying their Messiah?

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Hmm. I wouldn't be so, I wouldn't be surprised, but
I didn't see the movie. See, I had not concerned myself.
I'm not the one to go to about what's happening

(02:07:14):
in the media with psychology and this and that, because
I have, for the last maybe fifteen years, tried to
concentrate on how is the trick done right? So I'm
sorry I can't help you with these media kind of questions,
but I'll tell you there's plenty of people that know

(02:07:36):
that stuff that I could refer you to.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
Well, this is definitely a topic that we revisit all
the time. So Mike, any more questions.

Speaker 5 (02:07:45):
Yeah, it was the Honeypop was the honeypot worth it?

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Oh? I guess I really shouldn't comment on that, but
you know, I shouldn't have gotten involved, gotcha, all right?
It was a complete waste. It was worse than a waste.
It was it was Okay, I'll tell you the punchline. Okay,

(02:08:12):
so I'm married to this guy, and really I realize
I have to and get out of it. So basically
I get a question decree.

Speaker 5 (02:08:20):
Wait, sir, she never loved you, right, she was actually
semi finished?

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
Okay, no, no, oh, well, I'm just going to tell
you the punchline. I'm not going to get into the details. Okay,
the punchline. I get my divorce decree on the fourth
of March of twenty thirteen. On the fifth of March,
a bail bundsman was looking for twenty grand and I

(02:08:47):
showed him the divorce decree and he almost cried. And
you know, I said, well, you know, well weah, I mean,
because she had skipped bail after getting busted another county
for some and they never showed up. And I told them,
you know, we have a lot in common. But you know,

(02:09:10):
we both got screwed by the same woman. But you
only got screwed for twenty grand. How were you so convinced?

Speaker 3 (02:09:20):
So yeah, great, jackey, but listen, how were you so
convinced though, that she was placed in your life by scientology.
Could she have been approached after she got maybe she
got into involved in your life legitimately, and then they
co opted her and they got into they got some blackmail, honor,

(02:09:40):
they bribed her, and then they turned her against you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
That's a possibility. That's possible.

Speaker 3 (02:09:49):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:09:49):
I have run that scenario in my mind. I mean,
all I have are shadows.

Speaker 3 (02:09:56):
I got you, man, Okay. I was infiltrated myself.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:09:58):
I was involved in a big case with Palin and Time,
the congressional investigation, and my own life was you know,
I know what you're talking about. Okay, trust me about
the garbage being stolen. I've been down the same road, brother.

Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:10:11):
Now we're joined by JP, and JP has been researching
coincidentally all week long about this Nazi stuff. J JP,
what kind of questions you got for our guest? Wow, greeting.
Thank you sir.

Speaker 14 (02:10:23):
Please stay alive, Please stay alive. Please publish your book.
If you need a proof reader, I will read it
for you if you'll read it aloud for you. This
is brilliant stuff, right, Okay. So I've been studying the
glog and the Nazi time traveling experiments. And I don't

(02:10:45):
know if you know about the Sands of Time material anyway,
all about the you read the Sunds of Time excellent, excellent?
Oh yeah, great stuff. I really recommend it. I've just
I've read out the diglock on my on my book,

(02:11:08):
on my site. And uh, anyway, so here's the question.
All right, you briefly touched on it, and you're you're
basically saying, and this is this is really going to
take it right off the planet, right because this is
this is the connection between the Sumi, who are the
al Deboranian inhabitants that have been channeling telepathic messages through

(02:11:34):
the drill Darmen. And so are you saying that the
scientetologists still have the rill Darmen somewhere hidden in the
back or in an underground base or on some planet,
or do and do the scientilogists have a secret space
program themselves?

Speaker 3 (02:11:52):
Oh, you know what, we lost our connection. I think
we lost our connection to Arnie. We lost our Yeah,
I bet we did.

Speaker 14 (02:11:58):
Yeah, because it was such pertinent questions, it's unbelievable. You
wouldn't you wouldn't understand. Well, you may understand why, how
exactly how pertinent. Those questions are so I.

Speaker 5 (02:12:11):
Have no there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:12:13):
Yeah, back brother, did you get any of that?

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:12:16):
Start off?

Speaker 3 (02:12:17):
He lost it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
No, I didn't hear it work.

Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
He lost it right as soon as you started.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
So keep go, go with it.

Speaker 3 (02:12:22):
Start with the compliments again. He wants to hear that twice?
All right, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:12:26):
I want to have you on my show. I want
you to stay alive as much as you possibly can.
And please publish your book and I will read it
if you if you if your voice decided, I'll read
it for you.

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
But what my question is about the al Deborak what
do right now?

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
Right now? Is what good Google lem and yeah, and
you'll get a doctor okay.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
Yeah, JP. I think we got some echo in the
back JP. Things come from you.

Speaker 14 (02:13:00):
Yes, yes, yes, I again echo and other people are
talking here, okay, but it doesn't matter anyway. So the question,
my question, sir, is could you talk about the the
rill Domen. What happens to the rill Domen after they

(02:13:20):
did they escape to the inner core of the scientologists
through the operation paper Clip, and are they still channeling
the al Deboranian Sumi? And what's the state of play
with the Scientology secret space program.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
I don't know that there is a Scientology secret space program.
All right, and you're going to have to repeat that
first part of that question again, because all right, something
as well.

Speaker 5 (02:14:04):
No, I have a I have a question.

Speaker 3 (02:14:06):
No wait wait, hold up, hold off, Mike, Okay, JP again.
What was that about the real real person?

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
Good, Arnie.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
Okay, we hang up, and you called me back again,
and we set this up. This is not working right now.

Speaker 3 (02:14:20):
Okay, what'll connect reconnect with you in a second. Okay,
you know what, I'm gonna reconnect with everyone. Gonna drop
the whole call and call everybody back. Everybody sits tight,
will be more. I can talk while I'm dropping these guys. Okay,
We'll drop everybody, bring them all back, and make a
nice little conection here called the group I think I'm starting. Hey,
I'm on the air. We don't need these guys. I'll
do all the talking. We got the Arnie Lerma fascinating

(02:14:42):
guy from Scientology. Uh what the scientologists expose him? We
got Arnie back right now, We got our callers. Arnie,
you sound good now? All right, I'm back, yeah, yeah,
that happens sometimes with the sky connection. I also got
a little deal going on right now where when I
get a phone call, my internet goes off. I believe
there or not.

Speaker 15 (02:15:02):
Okay, but Jap, can you repeat your your question there
for mister Alarma. Okay, Well, first of all, Ed you've
got you've got a problem on your line. That's why
there's not enough voltage to keep the whole thing going.
So you need to get your line physically checked out. Okay, right,
that might might be why you've got a problem with
your internet anyway, So.

Speaker 14 (02:15:24):
Arnie, once again, thank you very much for and I'll
make the question as brief as I can. You were
talking about the connection that the Nazis had with ET's
and Star systems and the the Aldebranian Sumis. Do this
scientologist that you were implying before that the scientologist had

(02:15:47):
the connection to the same source as that? So are
you saying that the scientologists have an inner connection with
the Sumi race of al Debran and therefore our continuation?

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Okay? So, so what are you saying about the about
the society? Scientology is making money?

Speaker 9 (02:16:20):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:16:20):
There's no The only technology there is the technology of
controlling what a person believes to be true. The way
it looks to me is that if I view Scientology
and everything that its organization does as a test bed
for the control mechanisms to control society, it makes sense

(02:16:43):
they have been they have tried to be perceived as
being involved in remote viewing, but they're not really. I
pulled one inch paper from the befesta, uh national what
is it? The the National Archives? In I got an

(02:17:08):
intro paper from the Stanford Remote Viewing Project. Went through
every page of this stuff. There wasn't anything remotely scientological.
My estimation of scientology and psychic phenomena is this, certain
psychic phenomenas are associated with trends and hypnosis. That's it.

(02:17:32):
I believe scientology was being used as bait to get
an intelligence function into other countries remote dealing projects. It
was bait. It was like, you know, it was like
we're going fishing, but arn'tie. It sounded like it might
be something.

Speaker 3 (02:17:50):
But the big names in remote viewing though, are all scientologists,
aren't They all have some kind of Scientology connection. And
Dane's on these well they would like just wanted that. Yeah,
well I'll tell you, Well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
Know what I read ed. I've read a lot of
Ed James books on remote doing. There's nothing in there
remotely scientological. Ingo Swan's autobiography, which was on the note.
At one point he said that he ever considered himself
as scientologist.

Speaker 3 (02:18:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:25):
He may have said different things at different times, but
he said that back of the Ed, they were desperate
and trying anything and everything, even scientology.

Speaker 3 (02:18:36):
Okay, now one more thing before I forget guys, all right,
and please to figure me. But now there was also
to the Alon Hubbard claimed to be channeling some small
et kind of creature. I think his name was a Payton.
Am I correct?

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
No? Okay, no, I think what that is? You're thinking
of lamb or whatever? Right, okay, right, Crowley.

Speaker 3 (02:19:01):
Okay, you're right, Okay, Sorry, it wasn't ding.

Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
Yeah, that's that's that's Crowley. Shit. Okay. It seems scientology
that any contact psychically with any other intelligences appears to
be discouraged. Oh you know, yeah it so everything about

(02:19:27):
scientology is to make is to make it look like
there's something there.

Speaker 3 (02:19:35):
What about that rituals described?

Speaker 5 (02:19:37):
Have you read?

Speaker 1 (02:19:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
The ritual that there was the moonchild ritual that was
described by Horbard's son. What do you make of it.
You believe that happened or what?

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
Well, yeah, I believe it happened. You know anything about
the girl Marjorie Cameron?

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
No, what can you tell us?

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
She was a big time psychic in New York in
the forties. Well, you ought to look into her. She's
actually the more interesting, the most interesting character of the
three of them. It's Marjorie Cameron. She's described in a
book called The Unobstructed Universe. Weird little book, strange story.
I couldn't keep reading it, oh, which is a good sign.

(02:20:18):
But that doesn't mean there isn't information there. But I
had to put that one down. But she was a
bit a big time socialite psychic, you know, in Long Island,
back in the big deal Marjorie Cameron.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
Well, if it's really interesting, what can you tell us
about it?

Speaker 1 (02:20:37):
She was the big deal?

Speaker 3 (02:20:38):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
And do you believe she had a baby? I couldn't
tell you. I don't know that either, you know, I
mean there isn't a whole lot. I mean there isn't
a whole lot that Hubert actually said about it. And
he's lied about so many things. Why should I believe
anything he says? And our good friend h jp L.

(02:21:08):
We're supposed to believe that this master of explodes was
messing with mercury fulmid eight, which if you know anything
about explosers, you don't mess with it. But we make
a great short story if you wanted to get rid
of the guy. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:21:24):
So, do you think he might have lived through that
in his stage death or do you think they stay
they killed him?

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
I have no idea, Okay, a good stage.

Speaker 5 (02:21:34):
I haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
Well, I.

Speaker 13 (02:21:36):
Didn't they say he sold secrets of the Israelies. Then
they blew up the shock he was in with that
mercury phone me. And then a week later, didn't the house,
his big house burned down with his mom in it?
Didn't his mom die or she ran into the fire afterwards?
I don't know, all right?

Speaker 14 (02:21:56):
I have an What I did.

Speaker 4 (02:21:58):
Is I am.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
I followed. I followed the magic trail back into the
Renaissance in order to understand techniques they used in scientology,
and I found some of them described in at Perennium
three Days, which is like BC. It's like seventy BC,

(02:22:23):
sometimes attributed to Socrates, but not really. It's magic is
not knowing how the trick was done. As far as
demonology goes and what they appeared to be doing in
Babylon work. And I don't know because I don't know
that end of it. I will admit that I know

(02:22:45):
some natural magic.

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
Oh right now, let me ask you, right, let me
ask you a question, because you mentioned to me in
chat that you are a believer in magic. You are
a practitioner right now with magic.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
Well, you know magic. My definition of magic is not
knowing how the trick was done. What people call magic,
and well there's like demonic magic and natural magic. Natural
magic is just using items that have certain attributes to

(02:23:24):
you know, focus your intent, to focus the willy. It
could all be described as using physical tools to focus
your hip, your trends. All right, there's nothing wrong with
doing that. People do that all the time, whether they

(02:23:45):
know it or not. We do that a lucky term.
That's just to focus. That's just using something in the
physical world to focus a you know, an auto suggestion.
I will be luck.

Speaker 3 (02:24:03):
Questions.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
That's really magic, it's just how the trick is done.
But if you want to get a lot of follow
for first you do a lot of hope spoke and
you set off set off something that makes a big
flash and have some special effects. Everybody goes through it
and says it's wonderful, and they will all tell their
friends that you can climbed the rope that wasn't attached

(02:24:24):
to anything. Herbert used to do that stuff to people
when they visit him in his cabin Problem Hypnotic, to
do a series of suggestions, and they would be convinced
that something happened when they were in there until they
talked to me and I explained what truth did, and

(02:24:44):
then they go, oh, so he didn't have super duper powers. Yeah,
got it.

Speaker 13 (02:24:50):
I read in the in the thing where when he
had the falling out with Crowley and Parsons Uh that
they were actually casting spells on each other and sending
d means to attack each other.

Speaker 16 (02:25:04):
That's in wikipedion, you know. Oh, okay, oh, what do
you want me to say? I mean, really, it wasn't
a question.

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
Instead of well, I'm sorry, I don't know what you're asking.

Speaker 3 (02:25:29):
Go ahead, JP, Look.

Speaker 14 (02:25:30):
Look, this is really important. This is is like, this
is one of the reasons is a thing. Okay, so
it's really important. So I'm gonna I'm just going to
say that to the words. The key thing that came
out of this this book that I've been reading about.
The glog was the fuel source. The fuel source of
this thing is what's known in what what the channels

(02:25:52):
were saying, what the the the aldebranium was saying, is
it's it's called drill and it's an unstable isotope of mercury, okay,
and in common parts these days redy red mercury. And
it's also connection yeah, and it's also had a connection

(02:26:12):
out not that he who asked the other guy he's
been you can take it as a as a life
enhancer because it's basically it's like concentrated chi. You know,
mercury is like you have to boil it in a
plutonium reactor for weeks under thousands of atmospheres to get

(02:26:33):
this stuff. But once you've got it, you've got this
purple liquid and it's six million dollars a gram. And
the reason that it's needed is because it's used in
anti gravity craft because if you have if you rotate
this stuff, because it's it's magnetic and it's liquid, if
you rotate it under pressure and you counter rotate it,

(02:26:55):
it causes gravity waves, which means you've got lyfts. You've
got a UFO and so and they call that drill
and uh, this is what what Obviously you know, if
it's so expensive, they need tons. You have three tons
to make a UFO, right, and it's six million dollars
a gram.

Speaker 1 (02:27:15):
So what do you know about that? I know it's
a nice tope, but I know that it's used for
nuclear triggers, for mini nukes.

Speaker 3 (02:27:32):
And where did you learn that?

Speaker 1 (02:27:36):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
Where'd you learn that?

Speaker 1 (02:27:38):
Well? Well, okay, let me let me explain some Yeah.
You know how they used to put tetra ethyl lead
in gasoline to raise stop chain. Yeah, remember, yeah, you
know how it raised op chine.

Speaker 5 (02:27:55):
What it did? No idea?

Speaker 1 (02:27:57):
What did it do?

Speaker 3 (02:27:58):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
Okay, because of listen, because of the weight, because of
the inertia of mercury, it would slow down the propagation
of the wavefront from the spark because of its physical weight.
That's how it raised optan by making it burn a

(02:28:22):
little slower. It ain't rocket science do the same thing
with these little Yeah, they do the same thing with
these mini dukes. If you can slow down, if you
could slow down the expansion of the of the uh,
you know, explosive charge around the core. On the outside,

(02:28:46):
you're increasing the pig pressure on the inside. It's a
slight tetra ethyl let, but with the magnetic component, I
bet it's even fancier. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:29:00):
My question to you is where are you learning all
this from? What is your background that you have this
kind of knowledge?

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
I read a lot. I'm annoying, Okay, all right, weird sun.
I'm the kind of guy that everybody hated.

Speaker 9 (02:29:16):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
They all hated me in school. In third grade, they
put me aside. They said, you don't have to listen
to the teacher. You can do anything you want. I
took some tests and it scared them, and I said,
well what could I do? And I said what would
you like to do? I said, like to build a
like to build a windmill. So they gave me an
erector set and I sat there looking up the window
park while everybody else was in class doing their class,

(02:29:38):
and everybody hated me. It's been like that my whole life.
They still hate me. I used to I used to
take care of electronic stuff for the Institute for Defense
and Analysis. He had a half dozen PhDs that were
his think tank, you know, And I had some idea
how to do something. So he said, you know, you

(02:29:58):
know General Walter Smith, brilliant guy now at the National
the National National Research Archive or something like that. Anyway,
he said, you know, show this to my guy. So
he brings up this crew of you know, the smartest
guys in the room and had me explain it to them,

(02:30:19):
and he of them had some objections, and I, you know,
handled them and they all agree, Okay, we're going to
do it my way. They all need. General Walter Smith
took me by the elbow and he says, young man,
I'll have you know, those six gentlemen have never agreed
on anything. Well done, you have the job. That's the

(02:30:41):
way it's been for me. I've been I've been disannoying.
It's just the way it is. I've never looked for
a job in my life, you know. I sort of
fall into work and do some stuff. I fixed things,
Arnie I got you don't call repairman. I fix everything.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
You fell into the sea, Org you fell into the
sea or the right there, and now I hope it's lap,
you know, for a reason.

Speaker 1 (02:31:02):
And I was fixed in crap for them. They couldn't
make a meters so I built their blue knee meters
and fixed that for them. How's it work?

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
A good question.

Speaker 1 (02:31:14):
Okay, it's it's this is now this, and now I
do know something about this. I may not know a
whole lot about, you know, demonic conjuring, though, I will
to give you guys this tip about demonic conjuring. The
only handle the demon has on anyone is guilt. That's

(02:31:34):
why cults like to install so much of it. Okay,
that's from who know? But where we going? We're going
to Oh, yeah, meter, Oh you're gonna love this.

Speaker 4 (02:31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:31:48):
The meter is basically the galvanometer function of a standard
light detective.

Speaker 3 (02:31:54):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (02:31:55):
It's a bit more sensitive because it has gives more
surface area for the senses, so you get less because
less and twitching results, you get more actual stress response.
Both of those functions, whether it's the light detector or
the E meter, aren't really light detectors. They're stress meters.

(02:32:18):
They will determine if you have a stress response to
a question. The problem with these devices when used in security,
unless this is why they're used, is that that psychopaths

(02:32:39):
who have no conscience don't have a stress response. They'll
sail right through these But if you were running an
organization and you wanted to have somebody that would do
whatever it takes, you might use these devices. Tell people
it's for security, and the ones that got through would

(02:32:59):
be the one that I got promotions because you knew
they were sociopaths and would do anything you told them
to do as long as you paid them. Did you
understand the import of what I just explained?

Speaker 3 (02:33:10):
Yes? I did, And I have some experience myself with
the polygraphs, and people have taken them, and people have
passed them. I know were lie and I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
Wow. Yeah, yeah, we'll take a value. Nothing will read. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:33:25):
Also, so you can put a little tack in your
ship and well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33:29):
Listen, guys, it's a CIA maxim. It's a CIA maxim
to the best place to hide something is right in
front of you. I used to think that was my line.
I learned that. I learned that from watching the stuff
that happened to me, until I read a book and
found that, Oh I by a CIA guy, and it

(02:33:50):
turns out it's a CIA maxim. The best place to
hide something's right in front of you in plain sight.

Speaker 5 (02:33:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
Thanks, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:34:02):
Any more questions guys. Well, so yeah, Michael, no noad.

Speaker 1 (02:34:09):
What do you want to know about the light effectors?
What do you know? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:34:13):
The the I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Yeah, well, like I said, it'll express today. What was
your what was your contribution to?

Speaker 5 (02:34:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
What did you contribute to? This contribute? That's what we
see in America contribute?

Speaker 9 (02:34:30):
Yeah what?

Speaker 5 (02:34:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:34:34):
Well, well, they they were having trouble makeing of they
were back lawed, and I went in and figured out
what the problems were, and they started making them again. Yeah.
I have a question. I mean, even went to the manufacturer, Mike.

Speaker 5 (02:34:48):
The one thing I can't figure out is.

Speaker 13 (02:34:52):
Is scientology in the illuminati or part of the illuminati,
because it seems like, uh, the elite are kind of
not on board with scientology for you know, is there
like a war between scientology or scientologists and uh the
powers that be?

Speaker 1 (02:35:14):
M up until Chrism and Facebook and these things. Yeah,
and then there you know, ability to sort through keywords
and you know, sort of make pictures of people's character.
The only way to look inside of mind was in scientology.

(02:35:36):
Scientology could get stuff out of people, but you couldn't
normally get out of people.

Speaker 13 (02:35:42):
Oh so is that why scientologist basically they say that
scientology is losing its favor, right.

Speaker 1 (02:35:52):
Well, there's the possibility that it's being allowed to go
down because they don't need it anymore. Yeah, and it's
such a freak show it should hold everybody's adventure almost
as well as World War three would.

Speaker 13 (02:36:06):
And l Ron Hubbard's intent of Sony's religion was to
was to rule the world? Didn't he say that he
was going to be told crow he was going to
create a religion that would take over.

Speaker 1 (02:36:19):
I think interest And he said he wanted to smash
his name into the history books. Yeah, you know, I
don't know that. I mean he told tell told us

(02:36:40):
that we were going to take over the world. He
did tell us that. But you know, you can't be
that dirty and take over the world, or could you?
The neo cons Yeah, what what is uh?

Speaker 13 (02:36:58):
What exactly is Tom Crui who's to the scientologists exactly?
It's either like their messiah or do they consider him like,
uh yeah, what an incarnation of al Ron Hubbard?

Speaker 3 (02:37:09):
Or what is Wait a second, what about these these
rumors that he's a lover of Miss Gabbage.

Speaker 1 (02:37:21):
I'm hearing they're pretty good friends. They save to have
they saved to like each other a lot, you know.
I mean, it's like a it's like a I would
say it's like a circle narcissist club, but I don't know,
but it might be literal. I don't know, you know.
And also so they tend to shows eCos but I

(02:37:44):
really don't know anything about that. I mean, it's just scavenges.
We have fun making conjectures about it, just because I'm
sure it irritates them to even talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:37:53):
Now, the wife has been missing for six years, any
any news about and you have any info on it?

Speaker 1 (02:38:00):
Well, I know it's been missing, but something was done
to assure the authorities that she had a pulse oz no,
and I did not follow that. I have to stress
that I have been trying to deconstruct how the mind
control tricks were done, and I have traced a lot

(02:38:20):
of this stuff back through history, and yeah, I had
to go through badge to get there.

Speaker 3 (02:38:25):
Okay, And your book is going to be like a
step by step guide on how to do this or
to reveal it?

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
What's the plan here?

Speaker 3 (02:38:32):
Couldn't wait wait wait wait wait, couldn't people take you?
Couldn't people take your book and use it for evil?

Speaker 1 (02:38:40):
Absolutely, you can use it to build one hell of
a cult.

Speaker 3 (02:38:44):
Send me one man.

Speaker 1 (02:38:45):
Problem is were already The problem is is we're already
in one Yeah, it's true, and they're using all the
same techniques as scientologist.

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
So tell us about the techniques.

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
And how to Wait.

Speaker 13 (02:39:05):
Wait, I have a question. Do you converse with demons?
I mean, do you uh invoke them? Or when you're
doing your magic?

Speaker 1 (02:39:13):
No? No, during deep programming? I yeah, during during I
did a deep programming in Omaha and at the end
of that something and it might have just been the stress,
but something seemed like it appeared and it breaks the
hell out of me.

Speaker 3 (02:39:34):
Oh, I describe it.

Speaker 1 (02:39:35):
But I know that is that this isn't something I've
read Patrick Harper's books Field Guide to you Know, the
Other World and you know what happened to I've had
some events happen that have changed my views of the
solici and everything around us, and it has helped immensely

(02:39:58):
to understand how some of the sillier tricks are being run.

Speaker 5 (02:40:02):
A you know, a dentist.

Speaker 1 (02:40:05):
You don't have to go to demons, at least I
would prefer not to. I mean, I've read all about them.
I think it's really interesting. But you know, what do
you what are they going to do for you? Give
you power? The power you want is the power of truth. Okay,
that's the power. Good one.

Speaker 13 (02:40:22):
Well, there's a lot of Satanists out there who seem
to uh, you know, sacrifice sacrifice people.

Speaker 1 (02:40:30):
Well I'm told that power.

Speaker 17 (02:40:32):
Yeah, well I did you read something about how if
you take somebody's life in a certain way or something,
they're supposed to get additional power from having done that.

Speaker 1 (02:40:44):
But I would know about that. I believe that the uh.
I believe that truth cuts like a knife, and there's
really enough much people can do about it. What are
they going to do? Kill you? You know? I believe
the body is just like the computer. The computer is
how we you know, read on the net and talk

(02:41:07):
to each other and all that. But the body is
how we do the same thing in the physical universe.
If you didn't have a body, you'd scare the hell
out of people you visit most of the time.

Speaker 3 (02:41:21):
Let me ask you a question, man, Okay, you know
how old are you again? How old are you?

Speaker 1 (02:41:28):
Sixty four?

Speaker 3 (02:41:29):
Sixty four?

Speaker 1 (02:41:30):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:41:31):
And this is this is your life has been a
long ride here, This is not your typical life.

Speaker 1 (02:41:37):
Right, Well, a long strange trip.

Speaker 3 (02:41:40):
It's been right, okay, And I can relate, you know,
And I know once you're in it. You know you're
in it man, you know, and it's just going along
and you're just trying to cope with it and move
things along and learn things and travel get a lot
of experience and stuff. I can relate to a lot
of what you're saying. You're you're older than me, but
ten years older than me. What kind of advice can

(02:42:01):
you give man? After living a life like this? What
do you tell people? Man, just enjoy your wife and
kids and just go on with your own business, or
try and figure it all out, try and turn things over.

Speaker 1 (02:42:09):
Well, you know, I understand what you're asking.

Speaker 3 (02:42:16):
You understand a question?

Speaker 1 (02:42:17):
Okay, thank you. Here's what I tell people. Yeah, yeah,
I understand the question. I think that's some of this
game here with the purpose. So for a reason, I
think that the key is to find out what the
hell you came here for and hopefully get it done
before we check out.

Speaker 3 (02:42:39):
Fair enough, yes, in a way, but now I'm asking
another question. You've made it this far without winding up
in prison or dead, or or whatever, and I was
torture chamber or whatever. Do you have a certain confidence
you know that that you're like unbreakable, you know that
the something you.

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
Know what I mean, I have a relationship, I have
some friends upstairs. How's that?

Speaker 3 (02:43:07):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:43:07):
I to honestly, I feel yeah, Well, I mean, let
me tell you. The mind will invent whatever it needs
in order for you to survive whatever the challenge is.
You can you can write it off as being a
delusion of hallucination that you invent just so that you
can get through whatever the hell is going on. I

(02:43:32):
can explain everything that's happened to me genetically, but that's
a whole long story, because you know, my grandfather tried
to assessinate Mussolini even fighting faships for generations, all right, okay,
And on the other side, there's it's actually h you know,
and there's an Indian medicine man back up there four

(02:43:54):
or five generations, and I'm supposedly are shown and by
blood and by masks to have the masks so I
can explain things that way. And I was sort of led,
kick and streaming into all of this stuff because I
was gentleman. I was after I got out of scientology
in nineteen seventy eight. I was in the food, sex, money,

(02:44:17):
and cars universe. Gotcha you understand, Yes, I did. That
was all I cared about. I wanted the house, the kid,
the kat in the car sham.

Speaker 5 (02:44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:44:31):
And I got ended up with all those things, and
there was an incredible emptiness. It was all just stuff,
more crap, you know, stuff. And then and then something
very strange happened. And also you could not talk to
me about UFOs. You couldn't talk to me about spirits
or ghosts or scientology. I didn't want to think about

(02:44:54):
any of that stuff, the portrayal of scientology. I carried
all of that stuff in a bag on the end
of a stick, way back behind me and right over
my shoulder. So I have one hand hold of the
stick and the bag of the way back there, and
she have the way I looked. I never saw it.
Got it? Yeah, work right. And then and then I

(02:45:14):
had dream. I had a weird dream about a vet
do body parts. And I told my girl at the time,
and she goes, already, you're really weird, and I said, yeah, thanks.
And we have some friends that would come over on
the weekends to play cards, and I think the dream

(02:45:37):
was on Tuesday, Wednesday. On Saturday, I told I we
were playing you know, parts spade or something, and I
told her cousins this dream about a back filled with
body parts. And they thought, already you're really weird. You
have some really strange dreams. I said, yeah, I know.

(02:45:59):
So plane calls, the mail man comes, okay, and I
heard the mail man walking up to the door. So
I get up and I opened the screen. It was
you know, it was a summer this spring afternoon. And
I opened the door and I take the mail walk
to the table or playing cards, and there's a big
ground envelope. Yeah, the rest is hut nail. So I

(02:46:21):
opened the big brown envelope. It's hand written. It's from Phoenix,
Arizona or something, and insight it is the Communion newsletter.
It was published by Whitley Streiber. And I'm reading this
article on the front and it's some guy talking about
all this UFO things. Seeing I didn't want to think
of any of his stuff, right, And then I'm looking

(02:46:43):
on the second page, the article about different UFO reports.
I turned the page. I'm looking at it, and then
about halfway down the page, the man says, and the
reports about that's filled with body parts are too strange
to be believed. Oh really, I would point. I almost
spit my coffee, you know. I put the man, put

(02:47:06):
the newsletter down on the middle of the card table,
looked at the other girls there, and I said, I
got witnesses for this one. I got witnesses read this line.
Read this line right now. And they leaned over. They
read it, and they looked at me, and they pushed
their chairs back, and I said, all righty, I think
we're going to be going now. It's time to be

(02:47:27):
It's been nice by and off they went, and they
never came back to this date. When I asked them
about this. One of them is dead, but the other
two say that the hair on the back of their
neck stands up whenever they think of that. And that's
what happened to me. I could not explain that, because

(02:47:48):
that coursing, that like a cipher that filled with by
the parts, that's like a long cipher. And then to
have that's kind of a weird dream with that set
of words in it. Tell people all about it, and
they think you're crazy. Then the mail man comes and
there's a magazine or some newsletter. It's from Whitley Striper,
the guy that got abductet right, Yeah, I met him

(02:48:09):
and some guy's talking about UFO reports. It talks about
that's filled with body parts. Everybody was freaked out, including me.

Speaker 4 (02:48:18):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (02:48:19):
Got it? So what do you make of it? Man? What? What?

Speaker 3 (02:48:21):
What's the tomorrow? What's the end of what's the you know?

Speaker 1 (02:48:26):
Well, you know, it was like you have to understand
that at that point, I was in the food, sex, money,
in cars world. I didn't want to think about spirituality.
I didn't want to think about any of that stuff,
you know. I wouldn't want to figure out the secrets
of the universe. I just, you know, wanted some nice stuff.
You know. I wanted to run to mow. You don't

(02:48:46):
want a little house. I just wonder what, you know,
I wanted the American dream. Turns out I wanted the
American dream as described by the guys I completing, you know,
you know, from those projects in the late forties at
the Foreshive.

Speaker 3 (02:49:06):
Now you got your brother. Now let me ask the question,
Oh my god, that's a weird trip. I can relate
to you, okay, And I think we know a lot
of the same people too. But the thing is too
is now now that you've come back into the public
and you've come back here through my little doorway, there's
a lot of people don't want to talk to you.
The people on the edge one understander that are turned

(02:49:26):
into what you're saying. Okay, so you've made a whole
new step here in your life. Do you think it's
worth it? But you know, or you're you're sixty what
four years old? Whatever you do, tend to.

Speaker 1 (02:49:35):
Relax or what you know?

Speaker 3 (02:49:36):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (02:49:37):
Man? Well, here's what I figure. I figure if the
information that you give to somebody helps one person, yeah,
that makes it worth it. You know, there's that Shinese proper.
You know you want to be happy for a day
to go fishing, you know, I don't want to be

(02:49:57):
happy for you know what I mean. You've read that
thing and the last one is you want to be
happy for a year inherent of fortune. If you want
to be happy for a lifetime helps somebody, I believe
that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:50:12):
Okay, Now today, and what you do now is you
do some deep programming. Now, how does that work?

Speaker 1 (02:50:19):
Well? I just explained I've been explaining how The trick
was done in chat rooms and personal chats with people
with ex members, and you know, I got to stack
the letters. Thank you, and man, when I read your stuff,
I said, it suddenly all made sense to me. And
you know, people will come out of Scientology, but they'll
still be holding on to well, this piece of technology works,

(02:50:40):
you know. Yeah, that's all the same crap, you know,
And if they don't throw it out, they can never
see anything else. You know, they're looking at They're looking
at life through hybrids and rose colored glasses. That why
and you know when I got involved. Okay, here's the
near insurance, the reasons I got into scientology for the

(02:51:02):
promises Hubard made, the gains, the spiritual awakening and information
that has come to me, and the understanding I have
gained deconstructing how that bastard tricked us is priceless. But

(02:51:27):
it's like the gift is coming out of that and
turning that whole rat hole to advantage. And that's sort
of what it ended up doing. I mean, I don't
know that I would have figured out as much stuff
as I've come to know had I not gotten involved
in it to begin with. Right, Does that make sense yes,

(02:51:48):
it does, you know, so maybe yeah, So, I mean
the real gift of scientology, the gifts I mean. I
have had the most incredible insights that I wouldn't trade
for anything in the universe, even money, fighting my mind

(02:52:11):
out of that trap and figuring out how it was done.

Speaker 3 (02:52:16):
And it's almost like, you know, when the when the
student is ready, the teacher appears.

Speaker 1 (02:52:23):
Well. A lot of people have helped me over the years,
like you right into somebody and they say, hey, you know,
you got to look at this, and I'll look and
I'll go, oh my god. And I found that the
more you find out about how the trick is done,
the easier it is to tell if something is true
or not. And the more valuable knowledge that you don't

(02:52:44):
know becomes because it aligned so much other information. The
truth becomes like a beautiful crystal. You know, it's a wonderful,
perfect thing. And you know, stuff that doesn't fit, you
know doesn't fit. You know, it's like a im perfection.
You know, we got to take a diamond in and
nuke it with positive frods to get rid of the
black stuff so you can druple its value.

Speaker 3 (02:53:03):
You guys know about that, right, Yeah, anyway, let me
ask the question man now, because we're down to the
last four minutes now, you and I met and the
Dave McGowan where it seems inside the Canyon group it's
kind of a little private kind of group. You know
a little bit about a couple of hundred that's in there,
and what kind of tunes into the same kind of stuff.
What do you make out of this of the stuff

(02:53:24):
that we talk about in there, any of it?

Speaker 1 (02:53:30):
Well, I think we're dealing with the same techniques, so
fucking with minds. I mean, look, if you read what
Oppenheimer said, hang on, I got to read a quote
for you three minutes. This is okay, I got to
read this to that. This is this is this is
doctor Robert Oppenheite, all right, and he's talking to the

(02:53:54):
hell all right. In the last ten years, physicists have
been extraordinary noisy about the immense powers. Largely through their efforts,
but through other efforts as well, have come into the
possession of man power is notably and striking in terms

(02:54:14):
that sound very provincial, because the psychologists did hardly do
anything without realizing that for him, the acquisition of knowledge
opens up them. Amongst terrifying prospects of controlling what people
do and how they deal. This is true for all
of you who are engaged to practice. As the corpus

(02:54:34):
of psychology gains in certitude and subtlety and skill. I
can see that the physicists, please, that what he discovers
be used with humanity and be used wisely, will seem
trivial compared to those please, which you will have to
make and for which you will be responsible. And then

(02:54:58):
doctor Arthur Crop So big Guy Naval Medical Research Institute,
says this was for the most psychologists, our most sobering observation.
The possibility of controlling human behavior indeed becomes a more
terrifying prospect than the control of nuclear reactions. So we're

(02:55:22):
talking about a technology that makes the nuclear bomb that
seem trivial, and I would agree to the technology of
how to make Yeah. So this is the technology that
can be used to make slaves. This could be the
This is the technology which, if propagated, would create a

(02:55:44):
great slave rebellion of twenty fourteen. Because we got no
business planet and revolution, guys, you know, but we might
be able to do a slave rebellion.

Speaker 3 (02:55:56):
Okay, we're about to go up the air live. We're
gonna we're about to drop Awake Radio. We'll see you
guys next week, but we can record a few minutes
after the show. Uh here with the we're still on
the air, Bull Spirit Lar.

Speaker 5 (02:56:07):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:56:07):
Okay, great, okay, yeah, but no you know what if
you're if you're picking up my feet, JP, we won't
be because because Freaker drops you know where I'm on
the goal.

Speaker 5 (02:56:15):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:56:16):
Okay, great talking to you.

Speaker 1 (02:56:21):
Yeah, so I got you. We can go on all
night and you can go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (02:56:25):
I'm going to sleep.

Speaker 1 (02:56:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:56:26):
I don't know you guys, but let's just say good
night to Awake Radio, Wake UK, Wait, Waked out Australia.

Speaker 1 (02:56:33):
All you guys know everybody?

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