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Vincent F Amen - Rina Oh Vs Virginia Giuffre
November 5
Vincent F Amen brings his research into the current state and background of the legal case for Diversity-Libel, Assault, and Slander brought against Virginia Giuffre. With Giuffre's passing earlier this year, it's a particularly complicated case.But there's much which isn't in the public domain, and Vincent has the goods.
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November 5
Vincent F Amen brings his research into the current state and background of the legal case for Diversity-Libel, Assault, and Slander brought against Virginia Giuffre. With Giuffre's passing earlier this year, it's a particularly complicated case.But there's much which isn't in the public domain, and Vincent has the goods.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-opperman-report--1198501/support.
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Vincent f I, man, are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am here and appreciate having me on today.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, man, you can come back anytime. Man, it's not
like you're a controversial guess and I gotta go out
by a second body armor man. And I've bring Vincent
f Men on this show. So I mean, I know
you as you deal with it too me Because you
think this guy deals both with Michael Jackson fanatics and
(01:05):
Jeffrey Epstein fanatics. He's got to deal with two camps
out there. People are fanatics. But reminding of it, who
has Bencent f I men?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, I am someone that worked for Michael Jackson in
my early twenties. I went through the brial of two
thousand and five where Michael was acquitted. I was listed
as an unindicted co conspirator. I worked alongside, you know,
(01:37):
Michael's management team. I worked on the management team, worked
in production for him. And I guess while I'm here today,
is that my wife happens to be a Jeffrey Epstein victim,
and so I've been going through the whole process with
her over the last five years since the news broke
(01:58):
and learning about that, starting in I believe two thousand
and eight, when he was we can say convicted. You know,
he had a light sentence with this mister Acosta from
the you know, but that's when the learning curve started.
And so I think I have interesting couple of stories
(02:20):
to tell. Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Forrest Gump, you know, in the middle of the two
major stories of the century. Really, I don't even think
about or of the decade, at least with Jackson boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah. Yeah, we have these internal conversations, my wife and
I which story is bigger. She thinks it's Epstein. I
feel it's Michael Jackson. The reason is is because Jeffrey
Epstein has been exposed, you know, and it is big
and it was it was a massive I don't know
if I can call it a conspiracy, but it was hidden. Hey,
(02:53):
but the Michael Jackson operation has yet to be fully uncovered.
So I you know, so we have a little uh,
we have these discourse at home and I guess time
will tell. And there's been a lot of recent developments
in the Michael world and you know, we're just seeing
it and then and then in a couple of months
(03:14):
or next year, it could be just as big as
the Epstein situation. And my wife always likes to say,
you know, there a lot of girls are victimized, but
what about the boys? You know, a lot a lot
of boys are victimized. That goes under the rug. And uh,
you know, her way of helping and getting back from
the situations that she's gone through and the sex abuse
is to not as not not only just help the
(03:36):
femalees out there as well as the boys and bringing
that to light, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And that brings us to a question because that I
got last time, what do you know about Epstein and boys?
Because I have a list of the massuses and you know,
the victims alleged victims, and there were some men's names
on there, there were some boys names on there. So
what do you do You have any information about Epstein
and boys, trafficing boys.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, I don't have too much on boys. If
I had, you know, insider internal information, and I'd be
more than happy to discuss it. You know, the the
from behind the scenes, the ladies do talk about that.
You know, he he I had sexual relations with guys,
which is fine, but you know he's an excuse pedophile.
(04:22):
So you know, putting this all together wouldn't surprise me
if he was involved in the boys situation and maybe
passing them along to other high profile people. That's never
been uncovered that we're into boys. You know, we know
that Michael, you know, met with Jeffrey Epstein. That's been
(04:44):
a topic if you know he was trafficking boys to Michael.
I know from last time we spoke that Frank Cassio
had Jeffrey Epstein's number in his phone and felt very
happy to tell me that, Oh I know Jeffrey Apps,
So you know, put two and two together. You know
that was Michael's personal assistant and personal business manager. You know,
(05:06):
it's a very good likelihood that that that there was
some relationship there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, there's the Chris Tucker connection too. We discussed and
also live in verbal connections.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So yeah, and you know what's funny, and I apologize
for interrupting you. That is a very good point because
after we did speak, I was there the Chris Tucker time.
I was friendly with him. He was staying at the ranch.
We were working with him, trying to put together projects.
And you know, Brett Rattner was there, who was the director,
(05:37):
and he was in his films, and I was working
with Chris Tucker's assistant and and uh, you know, when
speaking to my wife about it, allegedly he was on
these plants and taking trips on the Epstein plane.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, some of the more famous trips with Clinton
with Lynn. Yeah, a little life. How did Arena Oh?
How did Rena Oh come into contact with Jeffrey then?
How old was she at that time?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, she was in a let's say, two thousand, two
thousand and one. Okay, she had a friend named Lisa
Phillips who had just been who's now in the media,
has her own podcast. Rina has kind of forgiven her.
She we could say she recruited her, she brought her there.
(06:28):
She told Rena, you know, I have someone that could
be a patron for you. That's very big in the arts.
And Redom was an artist her whole life and was
commissioned prior to that for a sculpture permanent installation, which
is a sculpture that remains at Georgetown University Medical Center
(06:49):
outdoor in their garden. So she had some foundations behind
her and she was looking She had a you know,
starting her career when she was young and was pretty successful,
but you know, like one they want to continue further
in the career. So that was Resa Phillips means to
get her over to jeff Jeffrey Epstein's house.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And how old was Rena.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Believe she was nineteen twenty nineteen or twenty years old.
By way, it was two thousand and she's born in
nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So a lot of things you want to be talking
about today are in SEMy Times, The Times, UK Times.
I survived Epstein's harem. Here's what Virginia and Geoffrey got wrong.
Reena Oh is suing her fellow victim's estate, excusing her
of fabricating stories about their experience in Jeffrey Epstein's dark world.
And you can go through this as we're talking. And
(07:44):
also to this a pictures here of Arena Oh and
Vincent f I. Men's kids. Beautiful kids. My god, we
thank you. You've got a beautiful family, man, I gotta
tell you, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And they're a little bit older now, ones at the
university level and the other ones going to university next year.
So I'm able to take.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Time flies man yesterday. Okay, So she's nineteen, she gets
a hold of Jeffrey Epstein and what was their relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
With well, you know, this is where it came up,
and this is where the Virginia Guffray situation came into it.
So she happened to be there when Virginia Gufrey was there.
And during this time period, you know, she goes over
and meets with Jeffrey Epstein, who made all these promises
(08:33):
to her, and that's how he manipulated her into that
whole sphere because he was going to be like a
patron to her. You know, he promised her, you know,
I'll be your patron, which means I'm going to give you,
I'm going to get you our projects. I'm going to
you know, send you to art school, which he actually did.
He sent her to one of the university one of
(08:56):
the schools in New York City. And you know, she
was a she was a young woman, naive, just like
as the other victims. And he's had his manipulative way
of getting to these girls to get in them to
do things. And you know what it was was turned
out to be sexual abuse, you know, And and that's
(09:19):
how she got to know him, and you know, and
then where she got in a little bit of an
issue was there was a podcast called Recruiters End Up.
We found out later on it was more of a
setup by David Boy's Virginia, who phrase attorney. And there's
a reason why, which I can you know, get into
(09:41):
where she said, you know, he was like a boyfriend.
It's common characteristic of the other girls. But they pointed
this out and ran with the story. But actually Jeffrey
Epstein used the fact that they were in a relationship,
uh and cup with the artwork to actually sexually abuse her.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And and.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like I said, this was a common way he manipulated
these girls to have these girls believe they were in
somewhat of a relationship with him and to sexually abuse them.
So it was one of his ways. And you know,
he's a pedophile, manipulative. We know that today and that's
where this story starts with Virginia Guffray.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You know this isn't unique Torena Oh either. If you
look at the Bill Cosby case, he did the same
exact thing with acting lessons and the patron and College
of Tuition and stuff. And Mark Va did a great
article for Hollywood Interrupted about certain characters out in Hollywood.
They do the same exact thing where they do these
ex acting lessons seem less and those kind of stuff
(10:50):
like that, they get them on a magazine and a
TV show and then their career tanks, and the same
guys are out there prostituting them and using those magazine
covers as the market for the prostitution. So none of
this is unusual. This is going on all day long,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, And I'm actually I don't want to say it's
a good thing, but it's a good thing that they're
bringing light to this. And we know there's always progression
with kids and acting and kids and music, So it's
good for the parents to learn that they have to
be protective of their children. I can go into a
story where a college friend that told me, you know,
(11:30):
their child is very talented. He's young, he's in elementary school,
but very talented in the place he has a lot
of ambition, calls me up and says, because you know,
as I was in entertainment, and I said, you know
their situations, because you know, I've been to the home
Michael Jackson thing. And they brought up a good point
about you know, promising these kids acting and this and that.
But I told him, you know, okay, so from all
(11:50):
these examples, you know your son wants to do this,
you can't leave alone. You have to always be there.
It'd be very protective of them. And then bringing coupled
in with Rena, you know, it just puts us together
and exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They got it done to science. And Epstein and Bill
Cosby were neighbors. They were right across the street. You know, yeah,
I know, it's like a really base. And you know
who was right next behind Epstein was the Vatican had
a building behind that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They probably know what was going on in the factor,
what's going on over there?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Man? So okay, and I read in this article to
the ice urvived Exsen's term in the Sunday Times, the
UK Sunday Times is that she did get a big
statue was sold or placed out in front of Georgetown University.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, this was prior to though, and that's how he,
you know, like I said, how he in a sense
of got to her and they afoliated her because she
was an aspiring artist since she was pretty much as
a child. You know, she was very advanced in in
in art. And she was with New York Foundationations that
that she was working with, and she was with a
(13:03):
master sculpture that had a master sculptor that has sculptures
all around the world and uh and uh, I can
give you his first name, and you know he really
doesn't want to be a part of it. He was
actually deposed. His name is Greg and uh. He the
she worked out of Saint John the Divine in New
York City, and you know, because of that she was
(13:25):
able to get this art installation, the sculpture down at Georgetown. Well,
she was aspiring and that's when when she met Jeffrey Epstein,
you know, she felt and he manipulated her in that
he could further her career and really put the emphasis
on it and get her and she and she knew
that this this, this this man was in a certain i
(13:49):
could say powerful position to advance her career. And that's
why she really went over there.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, yeah, just look at his home alone, you know,
the immediate the level this guy was living at, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, And she would have never gone there if it
wasn't for her friend that said, you know when they're young,
you know, hey, I know a guy who he knows
everyone has all the connections.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It is very wealthy, you know, go over his house.
He can help you advanced career. So she trusted this
this this person or friend. And it turned out her
friend was doing this to many girls.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that's not uncommon either. You know, it's sad to
say that it's not uncommon either. And down in the
Palm Beach that it was like a multi level marketing scheme.
It's paying one girl to bring another girl there all
day long. What's going on down there?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's what he that's what he and I know this from,
you know, insider information is that there is a difference
between the Florida the Florida women, the Florida Girls Now
Ladies and the New York Girls Now Ladies. But there
was similar operation going on here. His mechanism. You know,
this recruiter of Rina was out being paid to recruit
(15:01):
other girls. readA discusses this and this is public how
money wasn't her currency, It was the artwork that got her.
Other girls were doing this for dollar bills, like Virginia Guffrey.
She was almost like an employee taking money for bringing
and recruiting these girls.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Now what about did Wena see any any indications of
trafficking to third parties besides Epstein or any of this
blackmail stuff we hear all these books about blackmail? Did
any indications of any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, you know, she was a part of this circle
like she you know, she talks about this harem and
she brought this to light in this recent article which
was just just was released this morning in the United Kingdom.
And you know, she was privy to certain information that
you know, the public was not, and part of the
sphere with the other girls. But in terms of your question,
(15:59):
is that we kind of have to intuitively figure it out.
You know, she was put in a situation where she
was trafficked and she had to willpower to know something's
wrong here, something's very wrong. And so that's how she left.
And one of the one of the interesting spots and
(16:22):
not an interesting spot, but you know, it goes into
President Trump's mar A Lago. That's where one of the
areas they tried to traffick her. And she discusses this
in depth and then and that's you know from you know,
we're business owners and there's trafficking going down at mar
A Lago. President Trump could be civilly liable or back
(16:42):
then for this interaction with Jeffrey Epstein and girls in
trafficking and club members, you know, so you got to
be careful.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, and it would be legal malpractice not to suit
Trump and not to sue mari A Lago if you
were fourteen years old when you have down the locker
room over there by two members, like why wouldn't you
see that?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah? You know, it's businesses, businesses because I know in
our business there are always incidents like at a people
in school, the principal was to deal with incidents every
day with the kids high school or college. And the
thing is is that irregardless of anything et ceteras, powerbists
all helth constant. The business is liable for any incident
(17:30):
that occurs at the business, whether it's trafficking, whether it's
sex abuse, whether it's someone touching a woman. And this
happens in our society. So but you're liable. So Trump
could be liable. I don't know today based on statute
of limitations. But back then, you know, maybe they were scared. Tomorrow,
lagoy're scared of him.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They do.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He owned it, but he in his business was liable,
and he had.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Huge pockets, deep deep deep pockets and insurance business and
personal Come on. But now, but what happened to give
us to the insights story? What happened to Rereena at Malago? Then,
if she's trying to be sent off the third party
is what was going on there?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, Well, she realized something was a little bit wrong.
I think she discussed this. I don't want to get
it wrong, but she she discussed this, this in the
publicly and privately she discussed this, which then became public.
Greena tells the truth and tells it how it is,
and it's very consistent in her story. But she was
then at Morrilago with Gilan Maxwell, I believe, and Jeffrey Epstein,
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and there were other members there, and she was, I believe,
on the tennis court and he was trying to introduce
her to other guys, and she actually went behind her
and made this obscene gesture where he put his leg
up behind her. She was standing straight and he, you know,
(18:50):
was behind her, and he starts to move his lower
section in emotion. The book it's not funny, but you know,
you know, And and then she said, wow, he's doing
this publicly. He's pushing me on friends. Something's not right here.
It started to form right there, and and and and
maybe at the time maybe she could have laughed it
(19:13):
off just but then when you realize the magnitude and
what he was doing, then he realized, Okay, now this
is a serious problem when you look back at it.
But because she was naive and young, she didn't know
it was that serious of a problem. But that's how
it started.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And just goes to show the boldness of this guy,
you know, in front of all his friends and his
business partners and associates and just acting like a creat Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Know, that's exactly why she she she took that and that's.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Why people never do that kind of stuff in front
of me. Yeah, whoa dude, you know the people never
do that kind And I hang around some pretty you know,
serious guys. You know, I said, but they never would
pull that stuff in front of me. Man I adopt
twenty five years old. Then yeah, so then what a
(20:05):
cause is now? You mentioned something but that was kind
of set up on this podcast. Is that what caused
the rift between the Goofree and Rena?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh? Yeah, this is what caused the rift. And this
goes back to mister Edwards and Brad Edwards, who is
an attorney that represented Virginia that started this case. It
was disclosed to me by Brad when he first got
in touch with us and said, you know, Rena's a victim.
(20:36):
We know this, you know, and and basically said, you know,
many years ago, Virginia was looking for Rena and she
came to New York City, and we came to New
York City looking for Reena. We were married at the time,
but we didn't know she was looking for Rena because
Reena is a truth teller. This is Adam the attorney
represented Virginia because she needed someone to back up her story.
(20:59):
Corroborate her story. So that's where that starts.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
In which against which which loss was that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
This is in the beginning when Virginia just started to
uh proceed with bringing this to light.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Over Marlago.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know if it was over mar a Lago,
but she was looking for witnesses to corroborate her story
when she first met with Brad Edwards, which I think
dates back fifteen years ago, and he was the one
that brought this, this, this all to light, the sex abuse.
Virginia is a victim. So that's where it started. Now
we get to the recruiter's podcast and we get to
this memoir. She wrote this Billionaires. It's in the article
(21:46):
I forget that. I'm not to se on the name Billionaires.
Play Boy Club. She didn't write it. I believe someone
by the name of a Churcher wrote it. She's a writer.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, boy Club.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was Playboy Club and that was written. They attributed
to Virginia writing it. But she didn't write it. She
just she just told her story. She'd been She became
very good at just allegations. She was a professional making allegations.
And in this this this this was very hurtful to Rena.
You know, she was saying, you know this Japanese artist
(22:23):
and there was an S n M game and I
was cut on my leg, a six inch cut deep
in the meat of her leg, and uh that's where
it was left off. Rina ended up getting uh an
idea of this because she she found the literature that
that she wrote, or that miss Churchill wrote this, this
(22:46):
this reporter for Virginia, and it was very upset and says, wow,
she you know, I was friendly with her at the time,
and uh, she just accused me. I think I think
she has the wrong person, you know. And then now
let's fast forward to years on Virginia. David Boys was
(23:10):
behind and the question is why we figured it out? Why?
And I figured it out from my experience working for
Michael Jackson and being around the mother of the accuser
of Michael Jackson, Gavin's mother, Gavin Arviza's mother. So they
put together this podcast with this Sarah, Tara, Paul Mary
and Julie K. Brown who's a reporter that broke the
(23:31):
story down in Florida many years ago, and they put
this podcast together. It was a Sony podcast and they
sold it to Rena as please tell your victimization story.
So Rena comes up to me and this is reported
in the news A. Rena comes up to me and says,
you know which I do? Should I go on the podcast?
I said, absolutely, tell your victimization story. Well, a year
(23:53):
later we find out that it was a setup by
David Boys, who was representing Virginia at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And you believe that both Palmery and Brown were in
on the setup.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
They weren't in on the setup because a witness disclosed this.
Who is a part of the podcast?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Wow, who's the witness?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I don't know if I lowed to say because it
was one of the io. All I could say is
it was the witness was one of the girls that
Rena had brought over to Jefsy at Jeffrey Epstein's house
that wanted to meet him. And only because these records
are sealed and we just have to be careful that
we say about current litigation, what would be.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Their motivation for trying to set up Rina?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay, Well, this comes out later, and this was reported
in the New York Post when Rina gave an interview,
and I figured this out. It's very simple. There's like
a lot of high school strategies here amongst the girls,
it's not really so ethical and moral. So Virginia accused
her of this act because she wanted to cover up
(24:59):
her role in the scheme and cover up her role
the Epstein scheme and cover up her role because Virginia
knew and David Boys knew that Virginia had sexually abused Rena.
She committed a sex act on her, an unwanted sex
act on Rena. So it was important that she falsely
(25:20):
accused Rena of something and got her set up on
this podcast to make her look bad. If not, you know,
it was like a bullying, a silencing of Rena, so
she would never stand up and say, wait a second,
you Virginia Goofery sexually abused me. So she hid that
by that way.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But up until preemptively because up until that point, Rena
ho had not said anything publicly about the ju Free
or any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right, Yeah, you know what Rena was, Rena. You know,
we had kids like we saw in the article when
they were younger. Yeah, and she really didn't want to
really come forward. Really she would have. She would have,
like if she was in touch with the government and
they got in touch with her, which ended up happening
the Southern District of New York and the FBI. They
(26:07):
were at our house Maureen Komy, James Comy's daughter who
was recently just fired. She prosecuted the puff Dad the
Puff Daddy case, and p Didty and and the g
One Maxwell case. But she would have come forward in
that way, in her own way to provide information and
benefit people and the government by her testimony. What Virginia
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did was pull her into the high profile arena. Rena
didn't want to come out and talk about the sex
abuse because of our children and our family. But then
because Virginia pulled this out, pulled her out into this arena,
you know, tweeting to one hundred thousand of her followers.
Then the tweet gets pulled up in the post and
(26:49):
that goes down to all their followers that were following.
It was a very hot topic. Now Rena is in
this Now Rena is in this Jeffrey Epstein arena where
it kind of pushed her hand that she has to
go up and stand up and say, well, this is
what occurred. I know what Virginia's doing. She's trying to
hide the fact of what she did to me, so
I'm going to have to stand up, and she did,
(27:10):
and I was behind her, and you know, instrumental giving
her support being her husband says, you know you're going
to have to go up there. I don't want to
reveal the sexual details, and I said, well, you may
won't want to deal them. You may want to tell
what happened. But then then it got to a point
where she actually revealed the sexual details on an a
New York Post article where she said that Virginia performed
a sex act, an oral sex act on her. She
(27:33):
walked into the uh one of the rooms of Jeffrey
Epstein and was attacked by Virginia, which then goes into
my next point. I apologize for continuing to talk about this,
but I want to bring understanding to this situation. And
I said, the story of my deposition, I said, h
I said, you know, there's really there's two or more
(27:54):
girls models model of behavior in the situation. There's Rena,
as I tried to explain earlier, that was recruited and
that was called into the house. So she physically was
called by a secretary or a recruiter set her up
to go into the house. The difference is with Virginia
(28:15):
Gouffrey is that she was in the room with Jeffrey Epstein.
So when the girl came into the room and was
led into the room by the butler, she was attacked
by Virginia. Goofree, those are the two women, and that
became a gray area for someone like Virginia and other
girls that were in this room waiting for the victim
to come in. So Virginia knew very well what was
(28:37):
going on. You know, she recruited young girls. Adriano who
testified at trial she was recruited by Virginia, you know.
Finally she admits in her book that she was a recruiter.
She hid that from the public when dealing with Rena.
But that's the position. That's what the position that Rena
(28:59):
was in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And Karen Adriana is a suicide as well. She also
didn't survive all this.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
She didn't survive all this, and this was a really
bad story regarding her. Yeah, you know, she you know,
she was in contact with Virginia. Her mother's now being
very outspoken and talking about the harm that Virginia caused
(29:29):
her daughter. She's very upset and she feels that Virginia
is one of the reasons why that led to her
death and got her hooked on drugs. Just to.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Clarify, you're not claiming that a fourteen year old Virginia
drew free folding towels who had a previous trauma in
her life. You know it was any way a bad
person at the time she first came into contact with
Jeffrey Epson.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, this is exactly correct. This when Rina met Virginia,
I believe she was seventeen years old. You know, in
two thousand and two thousand and one she knew Virginia.
And when the sex act occurred. When when Virginia Goofrey
engaged in an unwarranted sex act against Rena, she was
eighteen years old. It was in It was past her
(30:24):
eighteenth birthday, so she knew very well and was very
versed on what she was doing. Now, listen, we go
into this about and I talk about this with Frank
Cassio on the Michael Jackson situation, that there are victims
of pedophiles who have sexually abused them but then to
come out and then to assist the pedpile in their behavior.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And also I handle these cases all time. You know
and also too, it's all they know, you know what
I mean, This is the way they know how to
make more. Anyway, later on they start throwing escort services
and stuff. This is all they know. This is what
they were brought up. This is how they were brought up,
you know what I mean. They really can't, you know
what I mean. It's it's a tragedy all around for everyone,
(31:18):
you know, and everyone suffers. What about this because I
was posting about this, I read it today that I
was gonna interview you. What about the claim that well
no one knew about this billionaire's Playboy club uh book
because it was just inserted into some litigation. Nobody really
(31:38):
read it. So how was uh uh you know, oh
defamed by those comments in that book?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, well, it's finally was released publicly, was available on
the internet. The media started to pick up on it
and report on it, and was within the book that
spelled her name wrong r E n A shed her life.
Well that's what happened, and they didn't. And I don't
(32:10):
believe Virginia knew her last name. She and that's when
when Rena said, you know, I think she has a
wrong girl or wrong lady and and that's how she
found out about it. And then she keeps reading and
I read it Rena forwarded to me many years ago
and I was like, Rina, she said that there was
(32:31):
engagement in sn M sexual SNM, and Rina's like, this
had to be another girl. So that started where the
defamation started. Rena what I filed lawsuit litigation against her,
but it was I think it was past the statute
of limitations of when something was released and picked up
by the media. And then fast forward where this all started.
(32:56):
This this defamation lawsuit, which was a federal lawsuit in
the Southern Dish of New York, was when she started
to tweet about Rena after this recruiter's podcast right which
was set up by her. And then you know, Reena
had mentioned that, you know, her husband was instrumental on
her going on this podcast and telling her victimization story.
(33:18):
So then missus Gouffrey started to defame me and saying,
you know, Vincent worked for Michael and Marina and Vincent
are two sick peas in a pod not knowing because
you know, her profession was making allegations and just making
comments about people, not knowing that I went to the
(33:39):
federal government, not knowing that I brought this to light,
but not knowing that I went to the uh the
Santa Barbara Distri's attorney's office to reveal what was going
on in the Michael Jackson situation. So when the when
the lawsuit first started, the attorney that was hired said,
you know, she defamed you. You can be a part
of saying, you know what this is really Reena's fight. Uh,
and I and I Arena you know you you know
(34:02):
you you take on this fight. I'm not going to
be a party to this.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So when did you actually file this defamation? And so
there was some Twitter back and forth. It was a
New York Post article, and so there was enough public
back and forth. Uh, this was not I know about this.
A lot of people believe that this bo haha. So
then what initiates the finally the defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So what initiated is Rena said, you know, I'm privately
I'm being defained by by Virginia. She's putting me as
a recruiter when she was a recruiter. She basically was
accusing Rereena of everything who she was in a sense,
And that's what I said, to hide her involvement in
this Epstein scheme. So in two thousands, I believe it
(34:48):
was two thousand and one. This litigation has been going
on for many years. The goufree Gufrey and her attorneys
stalled this for a very long time. This should have
been over many years ago. But that's how this was initiated,
by the comments and the tweets and the and the
and the podcast, and Rena waited some time, and you know,
(35:10):
I found the right attorney and who filed suit in
this federal suit. And that's basically how it was initiated.
And and I can fast forward to summary judgment where
the judge basically was put in front of the judge,
the federal judge, Judge Buckwald, and who's at the federal
(35:33):
judge overseeing the case. Went to summary judgment where she
makes the decision. They filed the motion please who phrase
attorneys filed the motion to dismiss the case. And she said,
oh no, no, no, no, no, there's grounds here for this case.
There's proof in front of me. This case will proceed.
That was the last motion filed. And now Rina's dealing
(35:56):
with the estate because and the judge, uh, it does
get updates every couple of months. When is this going
to form? When is this over? So the government has
been great, she's been great. The judge making unbiased decisions,
and I believe the government, through the judge, you know,
the civil justice system, they want this resolve sooner than later. Unfortunately,
(36:19):
the estate is being formed shortly and this was public there.
They have an interim executive of the estate. And as
soon as this this, this, this moves forward. Uh. This
hopefully we were resolved and sooner than later. Time Marina
wants to move on with her life. And then you
know what for the other opposition party they should do.
(36:42):
You know, it's come to a point where this has
gone long enough.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Now, it says in this article here and then the
Sunday Times I Speke Ebsence carem what the Virginia do
free got wrong? That's uh? Rina Oh took her money
from herself from some compensations she got from the virgin Islands.
I believe it was, and she hired an attorney to
(37:06):
file this lawsuit. So this was not taken on a contingency.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, well, okay, so Rena received compensation as being a victim,
which many girls went before the Epstein estate and didn't
get compensated. A rena was a person who told their
victimization story, whom they believed, who had credible evidence, work
with the government. So she was awarded funds for her
(37:32):
victimization from the Epstein estate, and her attorney at the
time was Brad Edwards, who represented many of the girls
and put them in front of the Epstein estate. Unfortunately,
she was going to use this money, these funds to
go back to school and to pursue like a master's
in art or an architecture. And unfortunately, because of what
(37:55):
Virginia did to her by the defamation and then also
furthering it in the state case of New York the
adults adult survivors that case where she's actually abused her,
she had to take this fund that she was which
were justice funds which were rewarded to her for her
victimization through the civil justice system in a settlement, and
(38:18):
had to spend them on the case. And and that
goes into experts and and and and and and you know,
there are contingencies. I'll say that, okay, but there's also
costs involved in this of assembling, like getting information and
assembling this. I'll be honest, we never hired a private investigator,
and I had to and I had to do a
(38:40):
lot of the data work by supporting arena, which is fine.
You know, all that goes along with whether it's a
civil case.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Okay, So so then people say, well, anybody can sue anybody.
You know, she shoot took oney. But a lawyer is
also taking a sethon agency as well. So Laie is
gambling his time and his resources as well on the
up communst case.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Now it could be a hybrid. You know, there's different
legal models in the simple justice system. You know, it
can be fully on contingency, it could be a hybrid
where there's funds paid to the attorney as well as contingency,
and then there's you're paying the attorney full out. So
you know, we can call it a hybrid.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Now you had to do some testifying in a deposition.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I did have to do some testifying a deposition, which
was I believe they brought me in to make me
look bad for some reason, or they wanted information from
me about Rina's comments and what she said privately at
home and all of this, and we really didn't discuss this.
(39:50):
And when we did, I and if I had when
I went testified, I was honest, truthful, and whatever questions
I had, I answered an inch story at our deposition
was I had called right rightfully Virginia because I knew
more information and just intuitively figuring out and from her
(40:12):
public statements that she actually was on TV saying how
she brought girls and crew. Did I said, you know,
Virginia was recruiting and praying on girls like she did
to Arena. Okay, the attorney says. Her attorney, Kat Thomas says, oh, well,
Virginia has been very public in her statements about recruiting,
(40:34):
or she's been very public about what you just said.
I said, Yeah, her own attorney even admit she was
a recruiter. Strike that from the record. I never said that.
I didn't admit I said you did so that I
was part of part of the deposition, And you know,
they tried to make me look poorly for some reason,
but hands up, they wasn't a good day for them
(40:56):
in the deposition. I didn't know you can strike something
from the record if you speak, but apparently I can.
And and then what happened was I'd yet to see
the video, but I would love to show that part
of the video.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, after that position, you go back in the corrections,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
One of my jobs is they hire me to say, well,
can they prove that they can't play out? No way? Okay? Anyway?
Uh back and by the way too, Now, all this
litigation was going on at the time of the suicide
of the suicide, do you believe this was a factor
(41:40):
that that she knew that she was going to be
exposed all this?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know, she says, she says a lot of things.
Virginia Group pray. Yeah. She comes down and says, there
was an issue with her kidneys. I think it was
a publicity stunt. I said she she falsely accused her
kidneys of failing, because that wasn't the case. And then
then the car crash with the bus and it wasn't
that bad. And then there's the her husband who she
(42:09):
came forward and said had abused her, showed pictures of
her face because that she refused to have sexual relations
with him. So she miss making all these allegations. And
then she comes forward and says, you know, this case
with Rena is trying to silence her, which was not
the case. We wanted her to get on the witness
(42:31):
stand and speak to the public to really see the
true Virginia Goufrey and what she says and the lie
she told, which we had proof to back up through
the experts that went, you know, during the discovery period.
And then she says, and I guess she told people
that there was a little financial pressure that she felt
she was going to lose all her money because she
(42:52):
knows and she knows that what she did to Rena
was wrong. So coupled with all of this pressure, I
mean to put that on re Reena to say that
you look, Rina and I and anyone's who's a good
human being doesn't want to see anyone harm theirselves. You know,
we never want to say we just wanted to see
her testify and tell the truth and and because of
(43:16):
what she said there would be lies in the court.
We wanted the public to see this just as she said,
she made a mistake with mister Dershowitz. So you know,
they said it was a factor. You know, the media
said that they took that approach on some of the articles.
You know that that that didn't make me feel so
(43:37):
good that that that would have been art because again,
and we we wish you no ill will or someone
to take their own life if if something was a
factor or pressure. But she came forward and made many allegations.
I mean she she continues to She continued to make
allegations and even post her untimely death. You know, there's
(43:58):
more allegation that came out in her book. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And also wasn't she also facing a criminal charges who
was just about to plea guilty or get thirty days
later for the TPO with them with her husband and
the family.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, we have these private discussions at home and then
just with me. Was when I wrote up the issue. I said,
you know, in many circumstances, the husband, the man never
gets custody of the children. Something doesn't make sense by
what she's saying. And the husband because he ended up
(44:30):
having custody and the kids and they said they were
a stranger and nothing to do with her. So we're
adding all this pressure on top of her. You know, no,
I'm not wea whether it's the media and the husband
and the court system and the crash, and she lost,
he really did lose all her motions in the federal
and state sexual abuse case against Rena, you know, as
(44:52):
being the defendant, you know, and then it goes into
you know more of that, you know, because she was
deposed in Marina's case, and then it became public in
her and this is where it gets very interesting. Became
public in her book. She puts out there that her
father sexually abused her. Right the father denies it, the
family denies it. So then you have to ask the
(45:13):
question who is lying, Rginia Guffrei or the family. And
then you go further and say, should the family really
beyond if Virginia is telling the truth, that there a
group or a family that engages in sexual conduct against
their children.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And I like that, What a mess. And it's just
me how much how much of the story is controlled
by the Epstein People's just insane? Bannon a wolf, all
these characters all friends with Epstein, you know, and Vicky
Warren even too, as an I went down there to
Morrow ago, friends with all these people. A couple of
things you mentioned, is it true, not that you mentioned,
(45:56):
but that there was an offer to say that she
made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
There was an offer to say she made a mistake.
And like the same as Dershwitz.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Gotcha and now the other one too, is Oh, these
allegations about Rena. Oh, are they in the book that's
published right now? Were they taken out of the new
book or were they published in the new book?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That was very careful, They were very careful. There would
have been further litigation because you know, we our position
is is that the publisher knew that she didn't do
too well in the civil defamation case, the federal defamation
case in the state of the New York sexual abuse case.
So Rena's name is not even mentioned in her book.
(46:46):
In Virginio phrasebook, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
How anybody can look at this objectively. Anybody can look
at this objectively and that come to the conclusion conclusion
the judge made in this case, so that you should
contain and that there should you know, there probably will
be a settlement, you know it just it's all the
writings there.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Why what is it?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
How is it that the popular opinion is so one
sided in.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
This I'm going to go into the dynamics of this.
So for a very long time she had this David Boyce,
who's very connected with public relations firms, and when it
comes to the media, the public relations firms provides information
to the media so right now, who's representing I believe
(47:35):
the family in prior Virginia. Where is this Demi vonn
Muffling who has a lot of influence with contacts in
the media, So they basically write what she tells them,
and they're controlling the narrative, and the narrative is and
then the issue is is that, you know, in regular society,
(47:56):
like I'm on the ground, I'm not necessarily high profile.
People come up and tell me what the public relations
person told the media, and the person who's next to me,
maybe in the office with me, says, oh, yeah, Virginia
X y Z, And I said, ooh, that's what you heard,
but that's not necessarily true. And then I have to
correct the record. So now how do you correct the
(48:18):
record from Rina's perspective, Well, we push for it in
the court system, So let the court system speak, you know,
and that goes to the media as opposed to trying
to control any narrative and manipulate the public.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
How has Virginia chosen as this spokes model for all this?
How would.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, how is she apologize for you saying? How is
she put?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
How would she become the face of all this? The
spokesperson of all this the main one, how did she become?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Well, I can reveal some insider information about that. Yeah,
So basically David boy is through the public relations from
controlled the narrative. There was a group called the Survivor Sisters,
who Rita's recruiter was on one of the groups. It
was an end up being a WhatsApp chat between the girls,
(49:17):
but they were also shown on television. Well, one of
the girls end up speaking whose I can't name right now,
who eventually will come public and discuss this, who's very
credible and has many documents and documented information, who's a
very big part of the Epstein, who was a very
big victim, said, oh, yeah, these girls, they tried to
(49:39):
get me to sign a contract and we were like,
weok contract an NDA that we're part of this group
called the Survivor Sisters. But part of the contract is
is we can only promote Virginia Guffrey as the main victim.
So even though we as a girl and now lady
was victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and a part of and
we're sex tract for a network, we are forbidden from
(50:03):
being the star. We have to promote we're part of
the Survivors Sisters as like a thank you to Virginia,
but we have to promote her as the main victim
and that's through a contractual means. Because of this, David
Boys as where.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, I can I've heard of this group chat before. Okay, now,
what what do you make of this podcast setup that
you you describe it? Do you believe that these participants
were compensated in some way?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
How did they benefit from taking part.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Of the original Recruiters podcast? No?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
No, no?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Brown and Palmery, Well, what's their motive?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah? They you know. Paul Mary is an interesting uh,
an interesting person in the media. She writes for many
different publications. I like to say she really can't hold
the job that well. Uh. And there's a reason why
I say that is because she likes to put stories
against girl slant stories against girls, which he gets Arena
(51:08):
in a political article post this Recruiters podcast with the
Sony podcast which we're discussing now, she tries to grab
like a headline and she did this too. She said
that Rena as an artist, paints in the nude and
Rina's like wow, she tried to put that out there.
She did this to one of other Arena's artist friends.
(51:28):
That says, uh, that's in the New York Post, which
I can share to the article with you or post
it on Twitter, that this artist she wrote about Natalie
masturbates during her shows and that just caused an uproar
with one of Rena's friends many years ago when she
was younger, very hurtful. So Tara likes to to to
(51:50):
to create this controversy and make the make the almost
like a victim of this controversy. But it's untrue. Rina
does not paint in the nude. Her friend does not
masturbate at her our openings, her friend Natalie, So this
(52:13):
was more of a setup to make Rena look poorly.
But Virginia was behind her. And then we can further
this because Tara has been recently posting and she posted
in the past that Virginia Goufrey was her best friend.
So I said, how is this journalistic ethics that is
not free press? Just because I'm best friends with you
(52:36):
doesn't mean I write for Virginia Gouffrey at her will
trash this girl, belittle this girl, and she was like
her right hand person to do this. And you know
Taras had problems in the past, and you may know
the person because he was a representative from Florida and
mister Gates congressman from Florida, that he was going to
(52:59):
be the herne General but then he resigned from Congress
and then, uh, you know, resigned from from taking that
position under the Trump administration. She was she was pulling
these moves with him, and he said something very serious.
He said, you know, I'm going to end your career.
That's what he That's what mister Gates and to Matt
Gates told told ms Palm Mary.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
What was this pupled on Twitter?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Uh? Probably on Twitter the tweets that that Tara was
best friends? Is that? No? No, but oh I think
that I think someone either was articles. There was articles
written about what he said about her. I read through them.
So this information is in the public domain.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Vincent fl Man, we're out of time, man, and I
wish we had like another hour, but I gotta run
out of here. I gotta run to the airport. But
anything you want to tell us that we haven't covered
the uncle over time. Anything I haven't told us that
you want to tell us today?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah? Absolutely, you know we'll be proceeding against you know,
the state for really to receive full justice. We would
have been happy to have Virginia speak and not remain
silent and put her on the witness stand where the
truck where this was going, very just prior to her
untimely death. And unfortunately, you know, now we're pursuing the
(54:23):
litigation against the estate and hopefully this will come to
a resolve. But we have our faith in our justice
system and we're really appreciative to the judges who are
allowing this to proceed and made the correct rulings. And
I want to thank you for having add.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No thank you and come back any time. But now
the thing I believe the next the delay now is
for the estate to appoint someone to represent the estate
and then then the litigation continues.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Right absolutely, we would just receive news that there is
a filing. They have to update Judge buff Wall and
the federal judge every certain amount of days, and they
were just recently updated the document. The filing was made
public that their appointing an interim executor very shortly in
the month of November. So we'll see how quickly this proceeds.
(55:08):
But we don't want to close this chapter in our life.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Do you know if there's any other issues with the estate.
I guess it was still the husband, so I guess
he's a personal one. But any other issues with the
estate and the lawsuits or anything.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, we have belief and we're I don't know necessarily
other lawsuits. But the family, the family who had them
changed the book, the publisher changed the book to make
the husband look bad. I think there were there. There's this.
They feel that there's money here, so they're fighting. They
were fighting to get control of the estate. But the
wonderful thing is there's laws in Australia and it goes
(55:39):
to next of kin. So I believe the husband and
the kids, you know, will benefit from being a part
of the estate. And her family that came into the
picture out of nowhere and are now represented by her
publicist and getting getting them on all these channels. When
there's these sexual abuse allegation that Virginia made against the family.
(56:02):
They were fighting for this, but I think that's here
in North They are right now in Australia and the
next of her husband or someone will be an interim one,
but ultimately the estate will go to the husband or
her children.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Vincent fi Man. You can follow him on Twitter under
Vincent fim Man. He's always talking about this stuff. By
the way, this guy's I've told about Michael Jackson stuff
too all the time. So just you want to check
that out. And this article here just came out. The
print is not even to dry yet. I survived Epsence Harem.
Here is what Virginia Drufreed got wrong. Arena always suing
her fellow victims, the state, accusing her, fabricating stories and
(56:38):
the experience in Jeffrey Epson's Dark World within the Sunday
Times in British Sunday Times. Vincent, thank you so much,
Vincent fi Man, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Thank you again for having me on it.
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dust on it be like out of your what mister
Vincent f I, man, are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am here and appreciate having me on today.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, man, you can come back anytime. Man, it's not
like you're a controversial guess and I gotta go out
by a second body armor man. And I've bring Vincent
f Men on this show. So I mean, I know
you as you deal with it too me Because you
think this guy deals both with Michael Jackson fanatics and
(01:05):
Jeffrey Epstein fanatics. He's got to deal with two camps
out there. People are fanatics. But reminding of it, who
has Bencent f I men?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, I am someone that worked for Michael Jackson in
my early twenties. I went through the brial of two
thousand and five where Michael was acquitted. I was listed
as an unindicted co conspirator. I worked alongside, you know,
(01:37):
Michael's management team. I worked on the management team, worked
in production for him. And I guess while I'm here today,
is that my wife happens to be a Jeffrey Epstein victim,
and so I've been going through the whole process with
her over the last five years since the news broke
(01:58):
and learning about that, starting in I believe two thousand
and eight, when he was we can say convicted. You know,
he had a light sentence with this mister Acosta from
the you know, but that's when the learning curve started.
And so I think I have interesting couple of stories
(02:20):
to tell. Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Forrest Gump, you know, in the middle of the two
major stories of the century. Really, I don't even think
about or of the decade, at least with Jackson boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah. Yeah, we have these internal conversations, my wife and
I which story is bigger. She thinks it's Epstein. I
feel it's Michael Jackson. The reason is is because Jeffrey
Epstein has been exposed, you know, and it is big
and it was it was a massive I don't know
if I can call it a conspiracy, but it was hidden. Hey,
(02:53):
but the Michael Jackson operation has yet to be fully uncovered.
So I you know, so we have a little uh,
we have these discourse at home and I guess time
will tell. And there's been a lot of recent developments
in the Michael world and you know, we're just seeing
it and then and then in a couple of months
(03:14):
or next year, it could be just as big as
the Epstein situation. And my wife always likes to say,
you know, there a lot of girls are victimized, but
what about the boys? You know, a lot a lot
of boys are victimized. That goes under the rug. And uh,
you know, her way of helping and getting back from
the situations that she's gone through and the sex abuse
is to not as not not only just help the
(03:36):
femalees out there as well as the boys and bringing
that to light, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And that brings us to a question because that I
got last time, what do you know about Epstein and boys?
Because I have a list of the massuses and you know,
the victims alleged victims, and there were some men's names
on there, there were some boys names on there. So
what do you do You have any information about Epstein
and boys, trafficing boys.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, I don't have too much on boys. If
I had, you know, insider internal information, and I'd be
more than happy to discuss it. You know, the the
from behind the scenes, the ladies do talk about that.
You know, he he I had sexual relations with guys,
which is fine, but you know he's an excuse pedophile.
(04:22):
So you know, putting this all together wouldn't surprise me
if he was involved in the boys situation and maybe
passing them along to other high profile people. That's never
been uncovered that we're into boys. You know, we know
that Michael, you know, met with Jeffrey Epstein. That's been
(04:44):
a topic if you know he was trafficking boys to Michael.
I know from last time we spoke that Frank Cassio
had Jeffrey Epstein's number in his phone and felt very
happy to tell me that, Oh I know Jeffrey Apps,
So you know, put two and two together. You know
that was Michael's personal assistant and personal business manager. You know,
(05:06):
it's a very good likelihood that that that there was
some relationship there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, there's the Chris Tucker connection too. We discussed and
also live in verbal connections.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So yeah, and you know what's funny, and I apologize
for interrupting you. That is a very good point because
after we did speak, I was there the Chris Tucker time.
I was friendly with him. He was staying at the ranch.
We were working with him, trying to put together projects.
And you know, Brett Rattner was there, who was the director,
(05:37):
and he was in his films, and I was working
with Chris Tucker's assistant and and uh, you know, when
speaking to my wife about it, allegedly he was on
these plants and taking trips on the Epstein plane.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, some of the more famous trips with Clinton
with Lynn. Yeah, a little life. How did Arena Oh?
How did Rena Oh come into contact with Jeffrey then?
How old was she at that time?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, she was in a let's say, two thousand, two
thousand and one. Okay, she had a friend named Lisa
Phillips who had just been who's now in the media,
has her own podcast. Rina has kind of forgiven her.
She we could say she recruited her, she brought her there.
(06:28):
She told Rena, you know, I have someone that could
be a patron for you. That's very big in the arts.
And Redom was an artist her whole life and was
commissioned prior to that for a sculpture permanent installation, which
is a sculpture that remains at Georgetown University Medical Center
(06:49):
outdoor in their garden. So she had some foundations behind
her and she was looking She had a you know,
starting her career when she was young and was pretty successful,
but you know, like one they want to continue further
in the career. So that was Resa Phillips means to
get her over to jeff Jeffrey Epstein's house.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And how old was Rena.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Believe she was nineteen twenty nineteen or twenty years old.
By way, it was two thousand and she's born in
nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So a lot of things you want to be talking
about today are in SEMy Times, The Times, UK Times.
I survived Epstein's harem. Here's what Virginia and Geoffrey got wrong.
Reena Oh is suing her fellow victim's estate, excusing her
of fabricating stories about their experience in Jeffrey Epstein's dark world.
And you can go through this as we're talking. And
(07:44):
also to this a pictures here of Arena Oh and
Vincent f I. Men's kids. Beautiful kids. My god, we
thank you. You've got a beautiful family, man, I gotta
tell you, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And they're a little bit older now, ones at the
university level and the other ones going to university next year.
So I'm able to take.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Time flies man yesterday. Okay, So she's nineteen, she gets
a hold of Jeffrey Epstein and what was their relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
With well, you know, this is where it came up,
and this is where the Virginia Guffray situation came into it.
So she happened to be there when Virginia Gufrey was there.
And during this time period, you know, she goes over
and meets with Jeffrey Epstein, who made all these promises
(08:33):
to her, and that's how he manipulated her into that
whole sphere because he was going to be like a
patron to her. You know, he promised her, you know,
I'll be your patron, which means I'm going to give you,
I'm going to get you our projects. I'm going to
you know, send you to art school, which he actually did.
He sent her to one of the university one of
(08:56):
the schools in New York City. And you know, she
was a she was a young woman, naive, just like
as the other victims. And he's had his manipulative way
of getting to these girls to get in them to
do things. And you know what it was was turned
out to be sexual abuse, you know, And and that's
(09:19):
how she got to know him, and you know, and
then where she got in a little bit of an
issue was there was a podcast called Recruiters End Up.
We found out later on it was more of a
setup by David Boy's Virginia, who phrase attorney. And there's
a reason why, which I can you know, get into
(09:41):
where she said, you know, he was like a boyfriend.
It's common characteristic of the other girls. But they pointed
this out and ran with the story. But actually Jeffrey
Epstein used the fact that they were in a relationship,
uh and cup with the artwork to actually sexually abuse her.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And and.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like I said, this was a common way he manipulated
these girls to have these girls believe they were in
somewhat of a relationship with him and to sexually abuse them.
So it was one of his ways. And you know,
he's a pedophile, manipulative. We know that today and that's
where this story starts with Virginia Guffray.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You know this isn't unique Torena Oh either. If you
look at the Bill Cosby case, he did the same
exact thing with acting lessons and the patron and College
of Tuition and stuff. And Mark Va did a great
article for Hollywood Interrupted about certain characters out in Hollywood.
They do the same exact thing where they do these
ex acting lessons seem less and those kind of stuff
(10:50):
like that, they get them on a magazine and a
TV show and then their career tanks, and the same
guys are out there prostituting them and using those magazine
covers as the market for the prostitution. So none of
this is unusual. This is going on all day long,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, And I'm actually I don't want to say it's
a good thing, but it's a good thing that they're
bringing light to this. And we know there's always progression
with kids and acting and kids and music, So it's
good for the parents to learn that they have to
be protective of their children. I can go into a
story where a college friend that told me, you know,
(11:30):
their child is very talented. He's young, he's in elementary school,
but very talented in the place he has a lot
of ambition, calls me up and says, because you know,
as I was in entertainment, and I said, you know
their situations, because you know, I've been to the home
Michael Jackson thing. And they brought up a good point
about you know, promising these kids acting and this and that.
But I told him, you know, okay, so from all
(11:50):
these examples, you know your son wants to do this,
you can't leave alone. You have to always be there.
It'd be very protective of them. And then bringing coupled
in with Rena, you know, it just puts us together
and exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They got it done to science. And Epstein and Bill
Cosby were neighbors. They were right across the street. You know, yeah,
I know, it's like a really base. And you know
who was right next behind Epstein was the Vatican had
a building behind that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They probably know what was going on in the factor,
what's going on over there?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Man? So okay, and I read in this article to
the ice urvived Exsen's term in the Sunday Times, the
UK Sunday Times is that she did get a big
statue was sold or placed out in front of Georgetown University.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, this was prior to though, and that's how he,
you know, like I said, how he in a sense
of got to her and they afoliated her because she
was an aspiring artist since she was pretty much as
a child. You know, she was very advanced in in
in art. And she was with New York Foundationations that
that she was working with, and she was with a
(13:03):
master sculpture that had a master sculptor that has sculptures
all around the world and uh and uh, I can
give you his first name, and you know he really
doesn't want to be a part of it. He was
actually deposed. His name is Greg and uh. He the
she worked out of Saint John the Divine in New
York City, and you know, because of that she was
(13:25):
able to get this art installation, the sculpture down at Georgetown. Well,
she was aspiring and that's when when she met Jeffrey Epstein,
you know, she felt and he manipulated her in that
he could further her career and really put the emphasis
on it and get her and she and she knew
that this this, this this man was in a certain i
(13:49):
could say powerful position to advance her career. And that's
why she really went over there.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, yeah, just look at his home alone, you know,
the immediate the level this guy was living at, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, And she would have never gone there if it
wasn't for her friend that said, you know when they're young,
you know, hey, I know a guy who he knows
everyone has all the connections.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It is very wealthy, you know, go over his house.
He can help you advanced career. So she trusted this
this this person or friend. And it turned out her
friend was doing this to many girls.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that's not uncommon either. You know, it's sad to
say that it's not uncommon either. And down in the
Palm Beach that it was like a multi level marketing scheme.
It's paying one girl to bring another girl there all
day long. What's going on down there?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's what he that's what he and I know this from,
you know, insider information is that there is a difference
between the Florida the Florida women, the Florida Girls Now
Ladies and the New York Girls Now Ladies. But there
was similar operation going on here. His mechanism. You know,
this recruiter of Rina was out being paid to recruit
(15:01):
other girls. readA discusses this and this is public how
money wasn't her currency, It was the artwork that got her.
Other girls were doing this for dollar bills, like Virginia Guffrey.
She was almost like an employee taking money for bringing
and recruiting these girls.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Now what about did Wena see any any indications of
trafficking to third parties besides Epstein or any of this
blackmail stuff we hear all these books about blackmail? Did
any indications of any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, you know, she was a part of this circle
like she you know, she talks about this harem and
she brought this to light in this recent article which
was just just was released this morning in the United Kingdom.
And you know, she was privy to certain information that
you know, the public was not, and part of the
sphere with the other girls. But in terms of your question,
(15:59):
is that we kind of have to intuitively figure it out.
You know, she was put in a situation where she
was trafficked and she had to willpower to know something's
wrong here, something's very wrong. And so that's how she left.
And one of the one of the interesting spots and
(16:22):
not an interesting spot, but you know, it goes into
President Trump's mar A Lago. That's where one of the
areas they tried to traffick her. And she discusses this
in depth and then and that's you know from you know,
we're business owners and there's trafficking going down at mar
A Lago. President Trump could be civilly liable or back
(16:42):
then for this interaction with Jeffrey Epstein and girls in
trafficking and club members, you know, so you got to
be careful.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, and it would be legal malpractice not to suit
Trump and not to sue mari A Lago if you
were fourteen years old when you have down the locker
room over there by two members, like why wouldn't you
see that?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah? You know, it's businesses, businesses because I know in
our business there are always incidents like at a people
in school, the principal was to deal with incidents every
day with the kids high school or college. And the
thing is is that irregardless of anything et ceteras, powerbists
all helth constant. The business is liable for any incident
(17:30):
that occurs at the business, whether it's trafficking, whether it's
sex abuse, whether it's someone touching a woman. And this
happens in our society. So but you're liable. So Trump
could be liable. I don't know today based on statute
of limitations. But back then, you know, maybe they were scared. Tomorrow,
lagoy're scared of him.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They do.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He owned it, but he in his business was liable,
and he had.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Huge pockets, deep deep deep pockets and insurance business and
personal Come on. But now, but what happened to give
us to the insights story? What happened to Rereena at Malago? Then,
if she's trying to be sent off the third party
is what was going on there?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, Well, she realized something was a little bit wrong.
I think she discussed this. I don't want to get
it wrong, but she she discussed this, this in the
publicly and privately she discussed this, which then became public.
Greena tells the truth and tells it how it is,
and it's very consistent in her story. But she was
then at Morrilago with Gilan Maxwell, I believe, and Jeffrey Epstein,
(18:30):
and there were other members there, and she was, I believe,
on the tennis court and he was trying to introduce
her to other guys, and she actually went behind her
and made this obscene gesture where he put his leg
up behind her. She was standing straight and he, you know,
(18:50):
was behind her, and he starts to move his lower
section in emotion. The book it's not funny, but you know,
you know, And and then she said, wow, he's doing
this publicly. He's pushing me on friends. Something's not right here.
It started to form right there, and and and and
maybe at the time maybe she could have laughed it
(19:13):
off just but then when you realize the magnitude and
what he was doing, then he realized, Okay, now this
is a serious problem when you look back at it.
But because she was naive and young, she didn't know
it was that serious of a problem. But that's how
it started.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And just goes to show the boldness of this guy,
you know, in front of all his friends and his
business partners and associates and just acting like a creat Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Know, that's exactly why she she she took that and that's.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Why people never do that kind of stuff in front
of me. Yeah, whoa dude, you know the people never
do that kind And I hang around some pretty you know,
serious guys. You know, I said, but they never would
pull that stuff in front of me. Man I adopt
twenty five years old. Then yeah, so then what a
(20:05):
cause is now? You mentioned something but that was kind
of set up on this podcast. Is that what caused
the rift between the Goofree and Rena?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh? Yeah, this is what caused the rift. And this
goes back to mister Edwards and Brad Edwards, who is
an attorney that represented Virginia that started this case. It
was disclosed to me by Brad when he first got
in touch with us and said, you know, Rena's a victim.
(20:36):
We know this, you know, and and basically said, you know,
many years ago, Virginia was looking for Rena and she
came to New York City, and we came to New
York City looking for Reena. We were married at the time,
but we didn't know she was looking for Rena because
Reena is a truth teller. This is Adam the attorney
represented Virginia because she needed someone to back up her story.
(20:59):
Corroborate her story. So that's where that starts.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
In which against which which loss was that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
This is in the beginning when Virginia just started to
uh proceed with bringing this to light.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Over Marlago.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know if it was over mar a Lago,
but she was looking for witnesses to corroborate her story
when she first met with Brad Edwards, which I think
dates back fifteen years ago, and he was the one
that brought this, this, this all to light, the sex abuse.
Virginia is a victim. So that's where it started. Now
we get to the recruiter's podcast and we get to
this memoir. She wrote this Billionaires. It's in the article
(21:46):
I forget that. I'm not to se on the name Billionaires.
Play Boy Club. She didn't write it. I believe someone
by the name of a Churcher wrote it. She's a writer.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, boy Club.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was Playboy Club and that was written. They attributed
to Virginia writing it. But she didn't write it. She
just she just told her story. She'd been She became
very good at just allegations. She was a professional making allegations.
And in this this this this was very hurtful to Rena.
You know, she was saying, you know this Japanese artist
(22:23):
and there was an S n M game and I
was cut on my leg, a six inch cut deep
in the meat of her leg, and uh that's where
it was left off. Rina ended up getting uh an
idea of this because she she found the literature that
that she wrote, or that miss Churchill wrote this, this
(22:46):
this reporter for Virginia, and it was very upset and says, wow,
she you know, I was friendly with her at the time,
and uh, she just accused me. I think I think
she has the wrong person, you know. And then now
let's fast forward to years on Virginia. David Boys was
(23:10):
behind and the question is why we figured it out? Why?
And I figured it out from my experience working for
Michael Jackson and being around the mother of the accuser
of Michael Jackson, Gavin's mother, Gavin Arviza's mother. So they
put together this podcast with this Sarah, Tara, Paul Mary
and Julie K. Brown who's a reporter that broke the
(23:31):
story down in Florida many years ago, and they put
this podcast together. It was a Sony podcast and they
sold it to Rena as please tell your victimization story.
So Rena comes up to me and this is reported
in the news A. Rena comes up to me and says,
you know which I do? Should I go on the podcast?
I said, absolutely, tell your victimization story. Well, a year
(23:53):
later we find out that it was a setup by
David Boys, who was representing Virginia at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And you believe that both Palmery and Brown were in
on the setup.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
They weren't in on the setup because a witness disclosed this.
Who is a part of the podcast?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Wow, who's the witness?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I don't know if I lowed to say because it
was one of the io. All I could say is
it was the witness was one of the girls that
Rena had brought over to Jefsy at Jeffrey Epstein's house
that wanted to meet him. And only because these records
are sealed and we just have to be careful that
we say about current litigation, what would be.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Their motivation for trying to set up Rina?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay, Well, this comes out later, and this was reported
in the New York Post when Rina gave an interview,
and I figured this out. It's very simple. There's like
a lot of high school strategies here amongst the girls,
it's not really so ethical and moral. So Virginia accused
her of this act because she wanted to cover up
(24:59):
her role in the scheme and cover up her role
the Epstein scheme and cover up her role because Virginia
knew and David Boys knew that Virginia had sexually abused Rena.
She committed a sex act on her, an unwanted sex
act on Rena. So it was important that she falsely
(25:20):
accused Rena of something and got her set up on
this podcast to make her look bad. If not, you know,
it was like a bullying, a silencing of Rena, so
she would never stand up and say, wait a second,
you Virginia Goofery sexually abused me. So she hid that
by that way.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But up until preemptively because up until that point, Rena
ho had not said anything publicly about the ju Free
or any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right, Yeah, you know what Rena was, Rena. You know,
we had kids like we saw in the article when
they were younger. Yeah, and she really didn't want to
really come forward. Really she would have. She would have,
like if she was in touch with the government and
they got in touch with her, which ended up happening
the Southern District of New York and the FBI. They
(26:07):
were at our house Maureen Komy, James Comy's daughter who
was recently just fired. She prosecuted the puff Dad the
Puff Daddy case, and p Didty and and the g
One Maxwell case. But she would have come forward in
that way, in her own way to provide information and
benefit people and the government by her testimony. What Virginia
(26:29):
did was pull her into the high profile arena. Rena
didn't want to come out and talk about the sex
abuse because of our children and our family. But then
because Virginia pulled this out, pulled her out into this arena,
you know, tweeting to one hundred thousand of her followers.
Then the tweet gets pulled up in the post and
(26:49):
that goes down to all their followers that were following.
It was a very hot topic. Now Rena is in
this Now Rena is in this Jeffrey Epstein arena where
it kind of pushed her hand that she has to
go up and stand up and say, well, this is
what occurred. I know what Virginia's doing. She's trying to
hide the fact of what she did to me, so
I'm going to have to stand up, and she did,
(27:10):
and I was behind her, and you know, instrumental giving
her support being her husband says, you know you're going
to have to go up there. I don't want to
reveal the sexual details, and I said, well, you may
won't want to deal them. You may want to tell
what happened. But then then it got to a point
where she actually revealed the sexual details on an a
New York Post article where she said that Virginia performed
a sex act, an oral sex act on her. She
(27:33):
walked into the uh one of the rooms of Jeffrey
Epstein and was attacked by Virginia, which then goes into
my next point. I apologize for continuing to talk about this,
but I want to bring understanding to this situation. And
I said, the story of my deposition, I said, h
I said, you know, there's really there's two or more
(27:54):
girls models model of behavior in the situation. There's Rena,
as I tried to explain earlier, that was recruited and
that was called into the house. So she physically was
called by a secretary or a recruiter set her up
to go into the house. The difference is with Virginia
(28:15):
Gouffrey is that she was in the room with Jeffrey Epstein.
So when the girl came into the room and was
led into the room by the butler, she was attacked
by Virginia. Goofree, those are the two women, and that
became a gray area for someone like Virginia and other
girls that were in this room waiting for the victim
to come in. So Virginia knew very well what was
(28:37):
going on. You know, she recruited young girls. Adriano who
testified at trial she was recruited by Virginia, you know.
Finally she admits in her book that she was a recruiter.
She hid that from the public when dealing with Rena.
But that's the position. That's what the position that Rena
(28:59):
was in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And Karen Adriana is a suicide as well. She also
didn't survive all this.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
She didn't survive all this, and this was a really
bad story regarding her. Yeah, you know, she you know,
she was in contact with Virginia. Her mother's now being
very outspoken and talking about the harm that Virginia caused
(29:29):
her daughter. She's very upset and she feels that Virginia
is one of the reasons why that led to her
death and got her hooked on drugs. Just to.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Clarify, you're not claiming that a fourteen year old Virginia
drew free folding towels who had a previous trauma in
her life. You know it was any way a bad
person at the time she first came into contact with
Jeffrey Epson.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, this is exactly correct. This when Rina met Virginia,
I believe she was seventeen years old. You know, in
two thousand and two thousand and one she knew Virginia.
And when the sex act occurred. When when Virginia Goofrey
engaged in an unwarranted sex act against Rena, she was
eighteen years old. It was in It was past her
(30:24):
eighteenth birthday, so she knew very well and was very
versed on what she was doing. Now, listen, we go
into this about and I talk about this with Frank
Cassio on the Michael Jackson situation, that there are victims
of pedophiles who have sexually abused them but then to
come out and then to assist the pedpile in their behavior.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And also I handle these cases all time. You know
and also too, it's all they know, you know what
I mean, This is the way they know how to
make more. Anyway, later on they start throwing escort services
and stuff. This is all they know. This is what
they were brought up. This is how they were brought up,
you know what I mean. They really can't, you know
what I mean. It's it's a tragedy all around for everyone,
(31:18):
you know, and everyone suffers. What about this because I
was posting about this, I read it today that I
was gonna interview you. What about the claim that well
no one knew about this billionaire's Playboy club uh book
because it was just inserted into some litigation. Nobody really
(31:38):
read it. So how was uh uh you know, oh
defamed by those comments in that book?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, well, it's finally was released publicly, was available on
the internet. The media started to pick up on it
and report on it, and was within the book that
spelled her name wrong r E n A shed her life.
Well that's what happened, and they didn't. And I don't
(32:10):
believe Virginia knew her last name. She and that's when
when Rena said, you know, I think she has a
wrong girl or wrong lady and and that's how she
found out about it. And then she keeps reading and
I read it Rena forwarded to me many years ago
and I was like, Rina, she said that there was
(32:31):
engagement in sn M sexual SNM, and Rina's like, this
had to be another girl. So that started where the
defamation started. Rena what I filed lawsuit litigation against her,
but it was I think it was past the statute
of limitations of when something was released and picked up
by the media. And then fast forward where this all started.
(32:56):
This this defamation lawsuit, which was a federal lawsuit in
the Southern Dish of New York, was when she started
to tweet about Rena after this recruiter's podcast right which
was set up by her. And then you know, Reena
had mentioned that, you know, her husband was instrumental on
her going on this podcast and telling her victimization story.
(33:18):
So then missus Gouffrey started to defame me and saying,
you know, Vincent worked for Michael and Marina and Vincent
are two sick peas in a pod not knowing because
you know, her profession was making allegations and just making
comments about people, not knowing that I went to the
(33:39):
federal government, not knowing that I brought this to light,
but not knowing that I went to the uh the
Santa Barbara Distri's attorney's office to reveal what was going
on in the Michael Jackson situation. So when the when
the lawsuit first started, the attorney that was hired said,
you know, she defamed you. You can be a part
of saying, you know what this is really Reena's fight. Uh,
and I and I Arena you know you you know
(34:02):
you you take on this fight. I'm not going to
be a party to this.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So when did you actually file this defamation? And so
there was some Twitter back and forth. It was a
New York Post article, and so there was enough public
back and forth. Uh, this was not I know about this.
A lot of people believe that this bo haha. So
then what initiates the finally the defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So what initiated is Rena said, you know, I'm privately
I'm being defained by by Virginia. She's putting me as
a recruiter when she was a recruiter. She basically was
accusing Rereena of everything who she was in a sense,
And that's what I said, to hide her involvement in
this Epstein scheme. So in two thousands, I believe it
(34:48):
was two thousand and one. This litigation has been going
on for many years. The goufree Gufrey and her attorneys
stalled this for a very long time. This should have
been over many years ago. But that's how this was initiated,
by the comments and the tweets and the and the
and the podcast, and Rena waited some time, and you know,
(35:10):
I found the right attorney and who filed suit in
this federal suit. And that's basically how it was initiated.
And and I can fast forward to summary judgment where
the judge basically was put in front of the judge,
the federal judge, Judge Buckwald, and who's at the federal
(35:33):
judge overseeing the case. Went to summary judgment where she
makes the decision. They filed the motion please who phrase
attorneys filed the motion to dismiss the case. And she said,
oh no, no, no, no, no, there's grounds here for this case.
There's proof in front of me. This case will proceed.
That was the last motion filed. And now Rina's dealing
(35:56):
with the estate because and the judge, uh, it does
get updates every couple of months. When is this going
to form? When is this over? So the government has
been great, she's been great. The judge making unbiased decisions,
and I believe the government, through the judge, you know,
the civil justice system, they want this resolve sooner than later. Unfortunately,
(36:19):
the estate is being formed shortly and this was public there.
They have an interim executive of the estate. And as
soon as this this, this, this moves forward. Uh. This
hopefully we were resolved and sooner than later. Time Marina
wants to move on with her life. And then you
know what for the other opposition party they should do.
(36:42):
You know, it's come to a point where this has
gone long enough.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Now, it says in this article here and then the
Sunday Times I Speke Ebsence carem what the Virginia do
free got wrong? That's uh? Rina Oh took her money
from herself from some compensations she got from the virgin Islands.
I believe it was, and she hired an attorney to
(37:06):
file this lawsuit. So this was not taken on a contingency.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, well, okay, so Rena received compensation as being a victim,
which many girls went before the Epstein estate and didn't
get compensated. A rena was a person who told their
victimization story, whom they believed, who had credible evidence, work
with the government. So she was awarded funds for her
(37:32):
victimization from the Epstein estate, and her attorney at the
time was Brad Edwards, who represented many of the girls
and put them in front of the Epstein estate. Unfortunately,
she was going to use this money, these funds to
go back to school and to pursue like a master's
in art or an architecture. And unfortunately, because of what
(37:55):
Virginia did to her by the defamation and then also
furthering it in the state case of New York the
adults adult survivors that case where she's actually abused her,
she had to take this fund that she was which
were justice funds which were rewarded to her for her
victimization through the civil justice system in a settlement, and
(38:18):
had to spend them on the case. And and that
goes into experts and and and and and and you know,
there are contingencies. I'll say that, okay, but there's also
costs involved in this of assembling, like getting information and
assembling this. I'll be honest, we never hired a private investigator,
and I had to and I had to do a
(38:40):
lot of the data work by supporting arena, which is fine.
You know, all that goes along with whether it's a
civil case.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Okay, So so then people say, well, anybody can sue anybody.
You know, she shoot took oney. But a lawyer is
also taking a sethon agency as well. So Laie is
gambling his time and his resources as well on the
up communst case.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Now it could be a hybrid. You know, there's different
legal models in the simple justice system. You know, it
can be fully on contingency, it could be a hybrid
where there's funds paid to the attorney as well as contingency,
and then there's you're paying the attorney full out. So
you know, we can call it a hybrid.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Now you had to do some testifying in a deposition.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I did have to do some testifying a deposition, which
was I believe they brought me in to make me
look bad for some reason, or they wanted information from
me about Rina's comments and what she said privately at
home and all of this, and we really didn't discuss this.
(39:50):
And when we did, I and if I had when
I went testified, I was honest, truthful, and whatever questions
I had, I answered an inch story at our deposition
was I had called right rightfully Virginia because I knew
more information and just intuitively figuring out and from her
(40:12):
public statements that she actually was on TV saying how
she brought girls and crew. Did I said, you know,
Virginia was recruiting and praying on girls like she did
to Arena. Okay, the attorney says. Her attorney, Kat Thomas says, oh, well,
Virginia has been very public in her statements about recruiting,
(40:34):
or she's been very public about what you just said.
I said, Yeah, her own attorney even admit she was
a recruiter. Strike that from the record. I never said that.
I didn't admit I said you did so that I
was part of part of the deposition, And you know,
they tried to make me look poorly for some reason,
but hands up, they wasn't a good day for them
(40:56):
in the deposition. I didn't know you can strike something
from the record if you speak, but apparently I can.
And and then what happened was I'd yet to see
the video, but I would love to show that part
of the video.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, after that position, you go back in the corrections,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
One of my jobs is they hire me to say, well,
can they prove that they can't play out? No way? Okay? Anyway?
Uh back and by the way too, Now, all this
litigation was going on at the time of the suicide
of the suicide, do you believe this was a factor
(41:40):
that that she knew that she was going to be
exposed all this?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know, she says, she says a lot of things.
Virginia Group pray. Yeah. She comes down and says, there
was an issue with her kidneys. I think it was
a publicity stunt. I said she she falsely accused her
kidneys of failing, because that wasn't the case. And then
then the car crash with the bus and it wasn't
that bad. And then there's the her husband who she
(42:09):
came forward and said had abused her, showed pictures of
her face because that she refused to have sexual relations
with him. So she miss making all these allegations. And
then she comes forward and says, you know, this case
with Rena is trying to silence her, which was not
the case. We wanted her to get on the witness
(42:31):
stand and speak to the public to really see the
true Virginia Goufrey and what she says and the lie
she told, which we had proof to back up through
the experts that went, you know, during the discovery period.
And then she says, and I guess she told people
that there was a little financial pressure that she felt
she was going to lose all her money because she
(42:52):
knows and she knows that what she did to Rena
was wrong. So coupled with all of this pressure, I
mean to put that on re Reena to say that
you look, Rina and I and anyone's who's a good
human being doesn't want to see anyone harm theirselves. You know,
we never want to say we just wanted to see
her testify and tell the truth and and because of
(43:16):
what she said there would be lies in the court.
We wanted the public to see this just as she said,
she made a mistake with mister Dershowitz. So you know,
they said it was a factor. You know, the media
said that they took that approach on some of the articles.
You know that that that didn't make me feel so
(43:37):
good that that that would have been art because again,
and we we wish you no ill will or someone
to take their own life if if something was a
factor or pressure. But she came forward and made many allegations.
I mean she she continues to She continued to make
allegations and even post her untimely death. You know, there's
(43:58):
more allegation that came out in her book. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And also wasn't she also facing a criminal charges who
was just about to plea guilty or get thirty days
later for the TPO with them with her husband and
the family.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, we have these private discussions at home and then
just with me. Was when I wrote up the issue. I said,
you know, in many circumstances, the husband, the man never
gets custody of the children. Something doesn't make sense by
what she's saying. And the husband because he ended up
(44:30):
having custody and the kids and they said they were
a stranger and nothing to do with her. So we're
adding all this pressure on top of her. You know, no,
I'm not wea whether it's the media and the husband
and the court system and the crash, and she lost,
he really did lose all her motions in the federal
and state sexual abuse case against Rena, you know, as
(44:52):
being the defendant, you know, and then it goes into
you know more of that, you know, because she was
deposed in Marina's case, and then it became public in
her and this is where it gets very interesting. Became
public in her book. She puts out there that her
father sexually abused her. Right the father denies it, the
family denies it. So then you have to ask the
(45:13):
question who is lying, Rginia Guffrei or the family. And
then you go further and say, should the family really
beyond if Virginia is telling the truth, that there a
group or a family that engages in sexual conduct against
their children.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
And I like that, What a mess. And it's just
me how much how much of the story is controlled
by the Epstein People's just insane? Bannon a wolf, all
these characters all friends with Epstein, you know, and Vicky
Warren even too, as an I went down there to
Morrow ago, friends with all these people. A couple of
things you mentioned, is it true, not that you mentioned,
(45:56):
but that there was an offer to say that she
made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
There was an offer to say she made a mistake.
And like the same as Dershwitz.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Gotcha and now the other one too, is Oh, these
allegations about Rena. Oh, are they in the book that's
published right now? Were they taken out of the new
book or were they published in the new book?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That was very careful, They were very careful. There would
have been further litigation because you know, we our position
is is that the publisher knew that she didn't do
too well in the civil defamation case, the federal defamation
case in the state of the New York sexual abuse case.
So Rena's name is not even mentioned in her book.
(46:46):
In Virginio phrasebook, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
How anybody can look at this objectively. Anybody can look
at this objectively and that come to the conclusion conclusion
the judge made in this case, so that you should
contain and that there should you know, there probably will
be a settlement, you know it just it's all the
writings there.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Why what is it?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
How is it that the popular opinion is so one
sided in.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
This I'm going to go into the dynamics of this.
So for a very long time she had this David Boyce,
who's very connected with public relations firms, and when it
comes to the media, the public relations firms provides information
to the media so right now, who's representing I believe
(47:35):
the family in prior Virginia. Where is this Demi vonn
Muffling who has a lot of influence with contacts in
the media, So they basically write what she tells them,
and they're controlling the narrative, and the narrative is and
then the issue is is that, you know, in regular society,
(47:56):
like I'm on the ground, I'm not necessarily high profile.
People come up and tell me what the public relations
person told the media, and the person who's next to me,
maybe in the office with me, says, oh, yeah, Virginia
X y Z, And I said, ooh, that's what you heard,
but that's not necessarily true. And then I have to
correct the record. So now how do you correct the
(48:18):
record from Rina's perspective, Well, we push for it in
the court system, So let the court system speak, you know,
and that goes to the media as opposed to trying
to control any narrative and manipulate the public.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
How has Virginia chosen as this spokes model for all this?
How would.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, how is she apologize for you saying? How is
she put?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
How would she become the face of all this? The
spokesperson of all this the main one, how did she become?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Well, I can reveal some insider information about that. Yeah,
So basically David boy is through the public relations from
controlled the narrative. There was a group called the Survivor Sisters,
who Rita's recruiter was on one of the groups. It
was an end up being a WhatsApp chat between the girls,
(49:17):
but they were also shown on television. Well, one of
the girls end up speaking whose I can't name right now,
who eventually will come public and discuss this, who's very
credible and has many documents and documented information, who's a
very big part of the Epstein, who was a very
big victim, said, oh, yeah, these girls, they tried to
(49:39):
get me to sign a contract and we were like,
weok contract an NDA that we're part of this group
called the Survivor Sisters. But part of the contract is
is we can only promote Virginia Guffrey as the main victim.
So even though we as a girl and now lady
was victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and a part of and
we're sex tract for a network, we are forbidden from
(50:03):
being the star. We have to promote we're part of
the Survivors Sisters as like a thank you to Virginia,
but we have to promote her as the main victim
and that's through a contractual means. Because of this, David
Boys as where.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, I can I've heard of this group chat before. Okay, now,
what what do you make of this podcast setup that
you you describe it? Do you believe that these participants
were compensated in some way?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
How did they benefit from taking part.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Of the original Recruiters podcast? No?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
No, no?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Brown and Palmery, Well, what's their motive?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah? They you know. Paul Mary is an interesting uh,
an interesting person in the media. She writes for many
different publications. I like to say she really can't hold
the job that well. Uh. And there's a reason why
I say that is because she likes to put stories
against girl slant stories against girls, which he gets Arena
(51:08):
in a political article post this Recruiters podcast with the
Sony podcast which we're discussing now, she tries to grab
like a headline and she did this too. She said
that Rena as an artist, paints in the nude and
Rina's like wow, she tried to put that out there.
She did this to one of other Arena's artist friends.
(51:28):
That says, uh, that's in the New York Post, which
I can share to the article with you or post
it on Twitter, that this artist she wrote about Natalie
masturbates during her shows and that just caused an uproar
with one of Rena's friends many years ago when she
was younger, very hurtful. So Tara likes to to to
(51:50):
to create this controversy and make the make the almost
like a victim of this controversy. But it's untrue. Rina
does not paint in the nude. Her friend does not
masturbate at her our openings, her friend Natalie, So this
(52:13):
was more of a setup to make Rena look poorly.
But Virginia was behind her. And then we can further
this because Tara has been recently posting and she posted
in the past that Virginia Goufrey was her best friend.
So I said, how is this journalistic ethics that is
not free press? Just because I'm best friends with you
(52:36):
doesn't mean I write for Virginia Gouffrey at her will
trash this girl, belittle this girl, and she was like
her right hand person to do this. And you know
Taras had problems in the past, and you may know
the person because he was a representative from Florida and
mister Gates congressman from Florida, that he was going to
(52:59):
be the herne General but then he resigned from Congress
and then, uh, you know, resigned from from taking that
position under the Trump administration. She was she was pulling
these moves with him, and he said something very serious.
He said, you know, I'm going to end your career.
That's what he That's what mister Gates and to Matt
Gates told told ms Palm Mary.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
What was this pupled on Twitter?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Uh? Probably on Twitter the tweets that that Tara was
best friends? Is that? No? No, but oh I think
that I think someone either was articles. There was articles
written about what he said about her. I read through them.
So this information is in the public domain.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Vincent fl Man, we're out of time, man, and I
wish we had like another hour, but I gotta run
out of here. I gotta run to the airport. But
anything you want to tell us that we haven't covered
the uncle over time. Anything I haven't told us that
you want to tell us today?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah? Absolutely, you know we'll be proceeding against you know,
the state for really to receive full justice. We would
have been happy to have Virginia speak and not remain
silent and put her on the witness stand where the
truck where this was going, very just prior to her
untimely death. And unfortunately, you know, now we're pursuing the
(54:23):
litigation against the estate and hopefully this will come to
a resolve. But we have our faith in our justice
system and we're really appreciative to the judges who are
allowing this to proceed and made the correct rulings. And
I want to thank you for having add.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No thank you and come back any time. But now
the thing I believe the next the delay now is
for the estate to appoint someone to represent the estate
and then then the litigation continues.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Right absolutely, we would just receive news that there is
a filing. They have to update Judge buff Wall and
the federal judge every certain amount of days, and they
were just recently updated the document. The filing was made
public that their appointing an interim executor very shortly in
the month of November. So we'll see how quickly this proceeds.
(55:08):
But we don't want to close this chapter in our life.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Do you know if there's any other issues with the estate.
I guess it was still the husband, so I guess
he's a personal one. But any other issues with the
estate and the lawsuits or anything.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, we have belief and we're I don't know necessarily
other lawsuits. But the family, the family who had them
changed the book, the publisher changed the book to make
the husband look bad. I think there were there. There's this.
They feel that there's money here, so they're fighting. They
were fighting to get control of the estate. But the
wonderful thing is there's laws in Australia and it goes
(55:39):
to next of kin. So I believe the husband and
the kids, you know, will benefit from being a part
of the estate. And her family that came into the
picture out of nowhere and are now represented by her
publicist and getting getting them on all these channels. When
there's these sexual abuse allegation that Virginia made against the family.
(56:02):
They were fighting for this, but I think that's here
in North They are right now in Australia and the
next of her husband or someone will be an interim one,
but ultimately the estate will go to the husband or
her children.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Vincent fi Man. You can follow him on Twitter under
Vincent fim Man. He's always talking about this stuff. By
the way, this guy's I've told about Michael Jackson stuff
too all the time. So just you want to check
that out. And this article here just came out. The
print is not even to dry yet. I survived Epsence Harem.
Here is what Virginia Drufreed got wrong. Arena always suing
her fellow victims, the state, accusing her, fabricating stories and
(56:38):
the experience in Jeffrey Epson's Dark World within the Sunday
Times in British Sunday Times. Vincent, thank you so much,
Vincent fi Man, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Thank you again for having me on it.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Good night, sir
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