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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator Ed Opperman. Okay,
welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private investigator
Ed Opperman. You can get a hold of me at
Opperman Investigations and Digital Forensic Consulting if you reach out
to me through my email Oppermaninvestigations at gmail dot com.
(00:23):
We have today the return of Z and psychlo Za.
You can find him on YouTube and you can find
him on Twitter as the twenty sixth letter DA two
six th letter. He goes by her name is Z.
And this guy we had him on once before talking
about his work with the Michael Jackson documentary. I forget
(00:44):
the name of it. We'll find out in a minute.
He's working on a book. He's got this great YouTube
challenge you could check out. Follow him on Twitter, and
we'll be talking to him all about his new adventures
and childhood information he has too. Mister Z, are you there, yo?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's up? And how are you? Buddy? Hey man?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Once again, thank you so much for coming back. You know,
I enjoyed last time so much and I wanted to
get your back sooner, but you know how you dropped
the ball. Remind me audience though, who is mister Z.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, hey, well, I appreciate you keeping having me back.
You know, I'm Z. I am a I am a
person who started following the Jackson's I guess I became
kind of a Jackson investigator. Now, I've just kind of
one of these people who felt that I think we
owe it to society to get the story right when
(01:36):
it comes to like abuse and predatory behaviors. So I
found myself engulfed in the Jackson's trump. I think a
lot of people will remember from my last episode. I
am a person who can say that R. Kelly snuck
into my high school once. So I had a lot.
I had a lot of like predatory things around me.
(02:00):
And I'm just trying to become more aware. And I
hope that me become to where helps everybody else out
there become a where and we kind of protect victims
out here. We have to do our best because powerful
people are trying to abuse folks out here and I
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yep. We met mister Z through Mike Parsiality from MJ
Victims dot Com. And if you notice, it's got that
same kind of rapport, the same kind of encyclopedia mode,
encyclo zia, you might say, encyclopedia knowledge of this topic.
And it takes a certain person. You know, you can
always tell when someone is sincere about this or when
they're just out there to make a buck.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's just sometimes it's just so freaking obvious. It's sad.
But I can tell you mister Z's heart's in the
right place. Now. What was that Michael Jackson documentary you
were involved? And what was that called?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was going to leave it Neverland Part two?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right? Yeah? I sat down with Dan Reid. He interviewed
me for two hours and I shared tons of information
with him about, you know, what I had learned and
why my perspective and why my perspective was the way
that it was. Uh. I shared with him that, you know,
there were girls at my high school that R Kelly
(03:10):
came to high school one day was trying to flirt
with girls at our high school and he got thrown out.
And I felt like as a as a band, as
a protector in society, you know, we have to stand
up for kids that might be at the harm and
this's as mean. We have to be able to have
an eye outum presidence. We have to do our job.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, you said that twice. You know, it's so true
some people that they'll see that this stuff is going
on right under their nose and they'll never notice. And
I can remember when I was in grammar school on
stant Island. I started this brand new grammar school called
Saint Clair's Uh School in Great Hills on Stanton Island,
and my first two or three days there, there was
(03:51):
this bald headed priest who was grabbing the young boys
in a choke hold and physically, you know, being overly
rough with these kids for no reason, but also had
his lips right up against their lips. And I saw
this and I says, no way, is this guy ever
(04:11):
doing this to me?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right right right? Yeah? And just and you know, and today,
you know, I think I told you about it, but
you know, I had an incident down because I found
out one of my elementary school priests was called up
on travel a station at three different schools around Chicago,
(04:33):
and there was a victim at my school. And I
was an altar boy at that school for this guy.
And looking back on it, you know, I didn't see
anything and I had I didn't have anything happened to me.
I didn't have any friends, just closed to me. Something happened.
But he was the priest that let a lot of
stuff slide and we could find if we could find
(04:54):
the wine in the church, and we can dragon a
little bit. You know. I don't think I don't think
he said anything, you know, and you kind of wonder if, like,
was that all intentional? You never know, but I can't
believe that. The most disheartening thing I found out was
our head priest at that school was still an advocate
(05:15):
for him to get jobs at other places.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
What year did this happen?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh? Okay. So the priest's name was Reverend Thomas Swaye.
He he was a priest at Saint Dorothy's Saint Dorothy's
Elementary School, which was my school, and he also taught
and uh he also he also served at Holy Angels.
(05:43):
Saint Dorothy's had a program called LINC and I have
I'm still connected with people in that link program. But
I was in it for a year and Father Swade
was helping African American students get opportunities to get into
high school that might be a little too expensive for
(06:04):
a lot of the kids. Where we went right. So
it's all good intentions with the late program and all
of that, But what we're finding out is there are
these pockets of incidents where Father Swade had inappropriate interactions
with students, and yeah, the our head priest, it got
(06:26):
so bad. Our head priest was sent a letter straight
to the cardinal of the archdiocese to try to get
him a job back. And you know, to see that,
it's disheartening because we never saw anything. But to know
that he had things on him, you would think parents
would want to know that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, mister z, how did you see this letter? How'd
you get ahold of us?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know something. When I started doing the Jackson stuff,
I learned how to look for court documents. I learned
how to look for records. There's a whole archdiocese file
on this priest that was at my school, and I'll
send it to you, and I'm scrolling through it and
then I see father, Father Michael Mallan. I see his name,
(07:09):
But that's our head that was our head priest at
our school for years. I was at that school. I
was in that school from third grade and then I
served as an ultra boy on the sixth, seventh, and
eighth grade.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And what year was this?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Uh? I served as an aultiboy in ninety one, ninety
and eighty.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Nine, ninety one, eighty nine, okay, gotcha? And what state
was this then? What state did this happening? Chicago, Illinois, Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I want to say whatever victim was
at our school that happened at about eighty three, gotcha.
I don't have the documents in fraight, but I believe
that whoever the victim was that told over they were
there in eighty three, they came, they cave, they came later,
they came out later later on, as most victims do.
(08:01):
They wait. And uh, I remember when I graduated from
this elementary school. This was the last time I saw
Father Swaye. He was in the rectory where where all
the priests and the uh where all the priests and
the nuns hang out and the bulls. The Bulls were
playing in the NBA finals, and he was up there
and he was not dressed as a priest. He was
(08:22):
dressed like like one of the beach boys sitting in
the rectory. So I kind of felt that was weird,
that was off, that he wasn't at the graduation, and
he wasn't dressed, because usually the priests are always dressed
with you. He wasn't dressed, and come to find out
he was. He was removed from Saint Dorothy's parish that
following year.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know that's interesting. Uh. First of all, by the way,
this is Holy Angels and what was the name of
this priest again?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Holy Angels Elementary School? And then what I went to
was Saint Dorothy's Elementary.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
School, Saint Dorothy's and what was the name of the
priest again? Oh, Thomas sway Thomas Swayed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, sw Ade.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
S w A d E got you. So, if anybody's
out there and you had any contact with his father,
Thomas Swayed around this time period, either in Saint Dorothy's
or Holy Angels, get a hold of me, okay, Ed Opperman,
These are kind of cases we handle eight hundred and
five seven two nine seven six two or just email
me at Opperman Investigations at gmail dot com. And if
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you have any kind of experience, negative experience with this
church or this priest or this school, get a hold
of me and we can get you some justice with
them from these people. Here, good old nuts and bolts justice. Now,
I'm not gonna go and beat anybody up, but we
will take them to court. I can't. Oh yeah if.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That fails, because it was. You know, when you go
through the child abuse files and a lot of those
preats in Chicago, it's it's terrific throughout the whole city.
And a lot of them would just get jobs and
other places and get recommended to work in other places.
You know. It was. It was definitely a cover up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh yeah, well, ze, did you ever read that thing?
The Pennsylvania Attorney Grand Jury did that giant report and
then they did that twenty page cover letter for it.
It was a full time job, man. All they were
doing in Pennsylvania in this time, all these Catholic church
was doing. Their main focus was raping little kids man,
mostly little boys.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow. Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I have the full I have the full report up
on my Patreon for free. But there's a cover letter,
a twenty page cover letter because even the grand juror said, hey, listen,
we know this thing is huge and this is so important.
We want to clarify, we want to summarize it for you,
and uh, just and when you read all these priests
were doing. They had no time to do anything else
but target these little boys. It's just insane when you
(10:56):
think about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This attack on all children is the type of children
horrible And you know, being a boy myself like knowing that,
you know Michael Jackson's preface for little boys. And then
I was on that uh I saw that open secret
documentary where they were channeling all those little boys to
(11:19):
those Hollywood folks, right, and they had these kids in
the pool and they're drugging them and this this one
guy is grabbing Ben Savage on this behind, and the
guy just was able to slip away out of here.
He got he got convicted ed. I can't remember his name,
(11:39):
but I'll see Brian. He's friends with Bryan Singer. So
he said he had he needed to have a brave
recedure and they led him out of jail to go
out of the country for a brave senor and he
never came back.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh really, Well, you know, Ben Stiller made a movie.
I think it's cool. It was about him and his
son taking his son off to college. And there's a
scene in that movie of a pool party with a
producer and it's definitely based on Brian Singer. This is
not like a big secret that was going on. People
knew about this, you know, all over town. Mark Ebner
(12:16):
was friends of Brian Singer and freaking guest on this show.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And then he mentioned oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and
it was it was it was a kid who acted
in the movie with Simbad. He grew up and he
started doing it and they would saying there were all
these Hollywood people that funded it too, hm oh man.
But his name was Mark College, Mark his friend Brian's singer.
(12:39):
Spread day was like Mark College, let me find it
really quick, right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They had that digital entertainment network where they had to
stream videos on for the internet. They raised all this
money and then they used all the money to target
little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, Mark College rector their.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Own their own personal perversions, these characters.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and it's just it's it's just you know, they
and you know, they preached the statement for little boys
to always be tough and always be silent and don't
let anything break you. And you know, and it's these
people out here doing these This is these boys and
it's just awful. And I can't get because that's what
(13:20):
that's What really kind of turned me off to the
Jackson thing is that there are so many people because
the movie's coming out and there's so many people idolizing him.
They are still in denials about what he did to
little kids behind the scenes, and they're still calling all
these people liars. Just the last time I talked to you,
(13:40):
the Cassios have been revealed. Yeah, that's a whole family,
I know. Yeah, that Moon Tip is the house.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I know. I interviewed Vincent fi Man, who was friends
with other Cassio or brothers. I had to get him twice.
Now and you just came back from New York. You
met with him in person. Did you find out chatting
with him around a beer?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, talking to Vincent was eye opening because Vincent was
listed as a co conspirator during the Gavin Arvizo trial.
That's how I first heard his name. So when we
kind of interacted on Twitter and I found out I
was going to be working in New York, I made
the priority to hopefully link up with him, and we did.
(14:27):
He me at my hotel, We went grass something to eat,
had a coffee. It was all good as far as
what we talked about. You know, I think that Vincent
is an example of what somebody innocent does when they're
confronted with an accusation like that, because he was totally
(14:49):
open with his side of the story, and he was
totally transparent with police. Right. He he told me the
story about how he was accused of taking Gavitt r
Viso's urine and poured it out. He said, the mother
did it. The mother did it because she knew she
(15:11):
would leave with her son, because she knew her son
was getting alcohol from Michael. Ah, she knew.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Wait describe it. I mean, I'm not familiar with that allegation.
He was accused of pouring out a urine sample.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, he was accused of pouring out of your sample.
And he was like, I didn't do it. I did.
He talked to anybody who would listen, right, and he said,
I didn't do that. It's like the mother did it
because she because Gavin r Viso called her after drinking
(15:52):
with Michael, so she knew the yearine was gonna be bad. Way,
because I still believe Michael Jackson molested Gavin. Yeah, you know,
Gable was a cancer patient. The fact that he's given
him alcohol is horrendous. But he was listened as a
(16:16):
co conspirator for that because the mother had said he
was the one who poured out the yearine or whatever.
So Vincent was told to take their places, and he
took their places wherever they wanted. He wasn't holding anybody
(16:37):
against their wheel or nothing. He hadn't worked there for
like ten months. He was when I talked to when
I talked to Vincent, you know, and I don't know,
I don't know what else he's comfortable with me saying
about the stuff we said. But Vincent, missus. The way
I think Vincent had a grite was kind of with
(16:59):
finding guys. Oh later on that, Yeah, Michael Jackson did
have this habit because he was always told Michael Jackson
didn't have this habit with little boys, and it's comes
to find and you know, he asked, he said, he asked,
he acquired. You know, he's tight with the whole family.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. He shared with me too about how you know,
everyone talks about Jackson giving the alcohol and the sexual molestation,
but also to getting these kids hooked on opiates, which
is a lifelong man that you never yet you're never
one hundred percent, especially if you if you're on that
in your formative years, you're never the same. You're never
(17:40):
the same once you've been down that road with those
freaking opiates, man. And to hear that all these little
boys were addicted to these freaking opiates, man, it's just heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It is it is, man, and that's and that's that's
kind of why I am so like so gets like
I saw the movie trailer Man, and I'm just like
sick to my stuff because I know that this is
just gonna help with the cover up. You know, this
is this, this state of Michael Jackson is currently having
(18:11):
to deal with the Cassios and they're gonna have to
deal with Wade James next year too. There's no way
we should be exalting Michael Jackson and ignoring and let
people continue to ignore this dark side of it. I
try to get on I try to get on platforms,
and I feel like LaToya Jackson was back in the
(18:31):
day when she was trying to tell on her brother,
like some some of these platforms don't want people on.
Who's gonna tell the truth? Yeah, she would. She ended
up having to go more to Howard. She trusted Howard
Stern more than anybody. She got Honist on Howard Stern,
(18:51):
you know, and then she ended up changing her story
obviously because of whatever happened with the family and jack
Jack Gordon. But that's what you feel like right now.
I was like, man, I was in New York. I
tried to get on the Breakfast Club. They're lying about
Michael Jackson every other week, it seems, yeah, saying good
things about jack to get me on the Breakfast Club
(19:13):
or nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
They're saying good things about Jackson.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They were talking about They're always talking about Michael. They're
raving about the about about Michael Jackson and uh, Michael
Jackson and the movie. Right, they're just raving about it.
And they've been on there. They've had people come on
there and they start telling that lie about how you've
always heard the lie about Jordan. Channer came out later
(19:38):
on it saying it was all a lie and all
this other stuff, which is bs.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, I've never seen that. I think I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, right, nobody's ever seen that. I get kind of
passionate about this, so I'll watch myself. But people are
out here repeating that. People are repeating that the FBI
didn't find nothing. Well, there's a when there's a page
(20:05):
if the FBI filed their says, Jordan Chandler just didn't cooperate.
They don't mean that the FBI didn't have nothing, Like
what do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And Jack Gordon too, Jack Gordon, who's now sink himself
by the way, Like this guy had a chain of
massage parlors and every partner he ever had died, but
Jack Gordon. Before they went to the press though, LaToya
and Jack Gordon went to the prosecutor. They went to
the DA's office and they didn't do anything. So you know,
they went they they did their their job, and then
(20:39):
they went a press conference. I think it was an
Israel right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right, right? They did there exactly they did. They went
to the they went to the District Attorney's office. LaToya
gave names of real people. She said Michael was also
involved with the Jehovah Witness kids, which we know that
Jehovah Witness has a history of co up child abuse. Right, this,
(21:04):
this is what I want. I want to be able
to because there are people who I know who do
the Jackson's, who do bikel We have to start asking
the much touching questions now, right, there's a there's a
there's a woman in entertainment. I for got her name. Uh,
she just got on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. She
(21:24):
would she was at the same Kingdom Hall as the Jacksons.
It was the Jehovah Witness. So you want to ask her, like,
did you know anything? Did you see anything? Right, paul
Abdul hung out at the Haven Hirst House when my
friends there. Did you see anything, Paula? You worked with Wade?
What happened? Do you believe him? Well?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You know in high school. In high school, Michael Jackson
hung out with Danny Bonaducci and Christian brand though Christian
Brando went to prison for murder and and and all,
I'm both all ThReD wanked up with the heavy drug
addictions and won are what those three were running around
doing together?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Danny Danny, Yeah, you know, And I'm because I'm curious
about every and whatever. Also what bothers me? That's that's
a good point. It's the famous kids. None of the
famous kids are saying anything. Yeah, and that's what And
that's a red flag to me because I'm going back
and I've seen Michael Jackson in a scene with Adam
(22:27):
Rich remember Adam rich from and I'm like, I'm wondering
because Adam rich tad was doing well and turned to
the life of drugs and all kinds of stuff. What
what was your relation? What was his relationship with Michael Jackson?
Does anybody know because he was what he was, they
(22:49):
have a connection to d annybody Doucy doesn't he? Uh?
Oh really, There's just a lot of people that know
the true But there are a lot of people who
are being silent. Bro. And I'm saying, if I get
on some of these platforms, I'm gonna ask tough questions
because people are are There are people who are still
(23:11):
out there trying to protect this dude who's legacy, and
that's their commitment. You know, I watched the view. I
see all the view, you know, looking Goldberg and his
friends with the Jacksons. Sherry Shepherd, she's Cherry Shepherd's the
one who went to their Kingdom hall. Sher Shepherd. She
just went on the Hollywood Walker fame. She went to
(23:32):
the same kingdom Hall of Jehovah witness as the Jackson's.
We should ask you, did you see anything did you
hear about Michael having issues with kids? Because LaToya said
he brought Jacoba with Jehovah witness kids home. What's up?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
She also LaToya also said he would bring home soiled
baby diapers. He would come back from Studio fifty four
in New York Canna with Roalda Rivera and Trump was
sent down at that time. He would come back from
Studio fifty four five o'clock in the morning with soiled
baby diapers.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, he kept him in his roll, but he was
keeping his nephew soiled baby diapers too.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really, Hey, what's going to right? And when they're with
this new film you were talking about, Paris Jackson is
all upset about this and she doesn't support the film.
But what can you tell us about that?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She said? People, She said, if the film is designed
to pander to a certain part of her father's fan base.
The translation is if it's made specifically for the bullwalkers,
it's made specifically for them. It's it's gonna tell that
Michael Jackson was what Michael Jackson was, candy and nuts
(24:42):
twenty four to seven. He didn't do anything but bull
walk around the world.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, so he was he was nuts. Can't did that?
I can't I take difference with you. Now, who's putting
on who's up producing this film? It's like Netflix or
something like that, HBO because lions Gate lions.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, lions Gate was doing the Field and Lionsgate. The
movie was supposed to come out next last year. Apparently
they had wrote in something about the Chandler the events
of the Chandler accusation, and realized that that court document
said they couldn't misrepresent the Chandlers like that, so they
(25:24):
had to go change it, and they spent one hundred
over one hundred million dollars reshooting and rewriting all of that.
So my guess is they're gonna make a movie. They're
probably gonna stop it around the Bad, the Bad era
of Michael Jackson before the allegation comes out. They're gonna
see how the movie does. They're probably gonna do a sequel,
(25:45):
right because because this movie has a chance to make
them billions of dollars. I've already saw them partnering with
clothing brands to make clothes like Michael Jackson. So they're
gonna be all types of people dressed like Michael Jackson
as the movie theater, including kids, which we know he
used to get off on that right. He's loved to
(26:08):
have these kids dressed like him. M hm. And they're
gonna be all at the movie theater. Full Family put
put put billions back into the pockets of the estate.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
While stage lions Gate is that Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Lions I don't know whose lions Gate. Uh lion Steven
Spielberg was that? Uh dream Works.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Okay, okay, lions Gate is one of those things.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Lionsgate. Uh, lions Gate feels.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, I'm looking that up and leesn't say any names
that would do would jump out of me right away.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, John Dundy, Andre Lake, Frank Gestra, Uh, Joe Drake
is the phil Group chairman. Adam Focus is the vice chare.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, they're playing Twilight. They put out Twilight, Okay, yeah, man,
Hey did Vincent f I men, Did he mention anything
about the whole situation with going to Joe taka Pina's office.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He he, he didn't mention anything different from what he
said on your show about you know, he he retained
he had retained Joe as a lawyer doing that time,
and I think there was some mission about him hot
Joe hot, maybe hoidings and stuff for Michael right. That
(27:44):
was We didn't talk about him much, but I definitely
remember him kind of just kind of mentioning it that uh,
you know, he had mentioned on your show. So I
was fully aware of that, you know, I you know,
I just think he I think he kind of opened
up about his just kind of his disappointment of finding
out that Michael was actually harming kids, right, and he
(28:08):
would have been you know, he had you know, because
he because he said, like if he knew that Michael
was kind of doing that, he would have never took
the job. He would have never took the job, as
bad as he at the time, as bad as he
needed it, you know, he was, uh he had lost
his job due to nine to eleven and uh, you
know fright being a friend of his, say hey, come
(28:32):
work for Michael, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And so now the entire family, they're suing the estate higher.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Cassio family is suing these states. The kids. It's the kids.
I saw a declaration from the little girl that was
in the family of well she's not literally more I
shouldn't say little girl, but the woman that's in the family, Uh,
her declaration I see it as public kid. They definitely
(29:00):
talk about how the estate didn't walk them to get
lawyers involved. The estate wanted them to agree to a
settlement and basically side over their life rights. So they
don't talk about this. And I think it's horrific because
this estate is continuing what Michael Jackson did. What he's alive.
(29:22):
He's just paid for silence, and I'll.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Spend my experience. It's my experience is sometimes dealing with
the estate is even more work. It's worse than when
the guys alive, uh, because they still want to protect
their reputation. They don't want public you know, they don't
they don't want that kind of publicity.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So they're a really easier to deal with when you're
with the gloves are off, when when you're dealing with
the estate. Yeah, I had a real problem.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah. So that state is had by John Brockley. John
Brocken has been called out, you know, you know, trying
to try to try to talk. He doesn't talk kindly
about the accusations against Michael, as with Wade and James
(30:09):
were out here. But he's the one who talked about
how they paid these these cats paid the casios off.
Almost a year ago. He made this public. We just
didn't know it was the Casios at the time, right,
So he's admitting, yeah, we had some allegations coming and
(30:30):
we paid it off and that's just that. And now
for the reasons of people not letting lawyers get involved,
the Casios want more, buddy, the Casios feel like they
got a raw deal here. Maybe they did.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Let me ask you this when only had discussions and researches.
As were there NDAs that they have to sign NDAs
the Casios and our men when he took the job.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh don't. I don't know if they were on NBAS
and we didn't mention in the IDAs. I don't think
really any did miss in the NBA. When I talked
to him, and when I looked through the little the
declaration from the Cassio girl, I didn't see anything he
hears about the NBA. I'll have to read it again
because I just got it yesterday, right right, I'll dig
(31:24):
it to you so you could read it. But yeah,
I didn't see anything about das. But NBA's or no,
NBA's are no longer iron clad for covering up crimes
like child abused dude, No.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Way, no, no no idea. Just like with Stormy Daniels.
You know, they could still get a criminal conviction, you know,
based on the charges. But what happens is she lost
all that money she was paid off and she had
to pay back three times as much and they got
ripped off on top of the lawyer who told her
boy at the n DA, he ripped her off for
another three hundred thousand. But that was a whole another
(31:57):
situation when the guy was just a criminal to begin with.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Man about the Swiss places for just a second. So
with with with now all these emails and things coming
out about Trump and Epstein talking about Trump, would you
kind of looked at all this kind of stuff? Did
any of this stuff come up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, yeah, going back, okay, I've been talking about for
a long time that uh uh, the stuff about Michael Wolfe,
you know, especially more lately when he's kind of taken
this role of being this exposer and he's gonna assume
Malania and he's you know, he's Michael Wolfe was friends
with Epstein. He was friends with Steve benn and Steve
(32:39):
Bannon was friends with Epstein. They were those three were
very very close to Epstein. And everyone talks about Bannon
helping Epstein with his his media and is recorded for
interviews and stuff like that practice interviews. But they were close,
way back from Wall Street days. These this this is
a lifelong friendship with these these three. And then then oh,
(33:01):
then I just I did a great series of interviews
called Steve Bannon's Porn and Meth House, which took place
down in Florida where they there was actually padlocks on
the inside of Steve Bannon's house that the new tenants
saw evidence of padlocks on the inside of the windows
to keep people locked in. There was evidence of met production.
(33:23):
There was porn stars showing up at the door saying, hey,
I mean this is my is my shoot ready to go?
Now the places that are out of business, and then
all stuff about Steve Bannon's first wife. She does soft
porn in Sweden. She's a Swedish model quote unquote, but
she does porn films. And there was a domestic violence
arrest that she was trying to smuggle in a cell
phone in marijuana to her boyfriend who was in jail
(33:44):
down there in Florida. So there's a ton of information
about Steve Bannon's Porn in Meth House. And what I
was told right at the end of the interview was
that he spoke to investigators in Palm Beach about a
connection to human trafficking and sex traffic, the game between
Steve Bannon and their case in Palm Beach, which was
obviously the Epstein case. So it's all there, man, and
(34:08):
a little by a little that's coming out, so to
So the Steve Bannon Michael Wolfe stuff, Yeah, I've been
talking about that for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And then the stuff about now they're saying that the
oh one that Trump was present in the apartment with
one of the young victims. I'm convinced that's Virginia Jeffrey.
I don't know if it's come out, if it's common
knowledge now that people aren't there talking about it that
it's her, But that was my prediction. Oh it look good. Yeah,
that was my prediction right away.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, that's what it is. That's what they say it.
And because because they're making a big deal about her
saying that she didn't say anything about Trump when she
told her book or whatever. But we we know how
that works. We know that people are still afraid to
say certain days the victims are slowly but surely talking.
(34:59):
And you know what I read that when I read
that lawsuit with Trump and the Epstein's code defended, you know,
there's this there was that part of that missing girl
that always intrigued me, right there, some girl.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That was there, Marrea. Yeah, Maria, that the watch out.
Otherwise what happened to Maria will happened to you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh wow, that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
And I know, well, we could never locate I. It's
my ideas on how to pursue that, but then we've
never taken up on But what do you call it?
It was the thing with Virginia Jeffrey and why I
always thought that she had settled was is I was
intimately involved in Palm Beach cases right around that, around
two thousand and seventeen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, I went
(35:47):
down there several times and interviewed people from Royal Palm's
High School, which is where Virginia Judfrey also went, and
they were all getting one million dollar payoffs from Epstein.
One million. Everybody was getting a million. It was was
the going rate back in those days. But then later
on when we found out the public release of the
jew Free settlement with Epstein, it was a half a million,
(36:09):
and I said, what, that's weird. You know, why didn't
she get the full million? Why did she only get half?
Well we found out later on with Stormy Dangles that
Trump has a way when he's settling something. He doesn't
just do a settlement. He doesn't do his lawyer. And
I've convoluted you know, the home equity loans and all
this kind of crazy stuff. Right, so, right, right, it
all makes sense. But just think it would be legal malpractice.
(36:32):
And these are all serious lawyers. Legal malpractice. If you
have a crime initiated from a member of mari A Lago.
They came to first contact at Maro a Lago, she
was an employee of mar Laga. It would be legal
malpractice not to sue mar A Lago and a guy
who happens, we have a billionaire too that owns. To
pursue him personally too, there's no reason not to, and
(36:56):
not all this business about oh he was cooperating, bullshit? Man,
So what he cooperates? Man's still he's a nice guy.
I'm not gonna sew him for a half million and
give me a break. There's so much to that and
then what happened was her father was the the maintenance
director at mar A Lago and he retired on a
(37:18):
horse ranch right around that same time. So soon as
I find this out, I said, how did this maintenance
director retire with our horse ranch in Florida? That's crazy?
Where did you get that kind of money? Soon as
I started talking about that, the bridge between me and
Virginia Drew Frey was over forever. She would never talk
to me again. She never followed me on Twitter, she
(37:38):
never communicated with me in any possible way, even when
things directly were related to me, she didn't. She wouldn't
acknowledge me. Then after her death, you know, and I
knew people wh would in contact with her and her
little group that her group chat that the vincent that
men talks about in our interview, I I said, while
(38:00):
she always hated me, and they go, no it she
didn't hate you, but she didn't like you. So why
didn't she like me? What on the other way? You know,
what other reason why you have not to like me?
Other than bringing this up? What else?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I know I know which brings me back to vincentofa
men because you know his wife Rena Oh is suing
the Virginia Jeffrey estate.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Correct, correct, we were, we were together today. The book
came out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Think about that time, so Joe, okay, And did did
Virginia and Jeffrey mention her allegations against Rena, oh, that
that she had sued over Did she mention it? Again?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, we talked about he and I talked about it
from Rita's perspective. He said, he said that Virginia, it weighs,
was acting as a battle no different things will Yeah,
and and uh, she was she was put up front
(39:05):
as the main victim because she has the Chris Andry picture,
she has all these things. She had enough to bring
attention to the matter. Right, So I felt that was
pretty accurate. You know, I didn't know. I didn't know.
I didn't know her husband was beating her the way
(39:28):
he was, but you know that was unfortunate. But yeah,
he listened absolutely mean that, Uh you know, his his
wife had direct buildings with uh, Virginia, and Virginia was
just as bad as just as bad as delayed in
a lot of ways, right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Which is by the way, right, which by the way,
doesn't mean oh that she's lying or she's a terrible
person whatever, correct, Because when you're when you've been through
this kind of trauma, and she had this childhood trauma
way before she ever heard the name Epstein. She had
the same kind of childhood traumas okay, and then then
expanded later on in her life. When you've been through
(40:09):
this kind of stuff and then all you know is,
for lack of a better term, sex work. You know,
this is sex work, unwanted sex work, but this type
of sex traffic, once you've been through that, that's really
all you know, that's all. That's just like you and me,
we grew up in a certain way and that's all
you know. You can't judge these people for what they've
(40:30):
been through and that's all they know. If they go
back to that kind of work, that's very very very common.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And yeah, and let me clear that up out of
respect for her. Yes, she was absolutely grueve. There's no
doubt about it, no doubt about it. She was absolutely grove.
And you know, and I'll be and I'm just saying
this in a way and how I present it, but
I definitely acknowledge that, you know, she was grooved into that,
(40:55):
into that lifestyle and the way and the way I
hear these stories about how Jeffrey ste played this manipulated
people and use their watch and needs to get them. Yeah,
it's it's that's that's how you that's how you build
somebody like that, right.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Right, And and he was a pro at this man, And.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean, I mean it's no alcohol, no drugs, just charm.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Well also too, if you look, I remember early on
they had his Amazon book list and a couple of
his books. No, it was in his trash was how
to groom a sex slave, how to how to you
know the guy was. This was his focus, you know.
And so when you hear all this stuff about blackmail
and espionage the guys, the guy's focus is really on
(41:44):
scamming and stealing money and raping little kids. Man, that
was really what this guy was about.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Michael jacksually had how to, uh
have books and takes on how to manipulate people in
his in his possession. I was I was caught that
about employee For a person that says they're an employee
of Michael Jackson, I WoT to veteran see if if
it is who I think it is, man, I'm gonna
(42:08):
I'm gonna give a show immediately. It's apparently a maid.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh really, Oh that's that's great. That's good man.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, so I think it's I think I know who
it is, but I'm not gonna I'm gonna press it.
But I would talk to him because they commented on
by They commented on one of my h on one
of my videos on my YouTube. Dude. So I just
saw this like two nights ago. So I'm gonna try
to reach out to them. If I could get that
(42:39):
worked out, man, best believe I would have some juice
for you.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Bro. Yeah, good day, get a hold of me right away.
And that's so common. And people that are directly involved,
like they don't want to come right out and contact
you directly, but they'll just like a little little breadcrumbs,
a little hints, you know what I mean, little context. Yeah,
And I know, but they want to be They want
to so bad. But it's when you open yourself up
to this. Man, like even our little discussions we've had
(43:02):
today about the Virginia Is there are people out there
that just see all this in black and white. I
see it through the lens of a lifetime movie, you know,
right right, and that's all they know. They have no
personal experience in it, this kind of stuff, you know,
and that's all they know. And they just well, this
is black and white and if you then then you're
bad and you're on there. So yeah, they just can't
there's so many nuances to all this. People just don't
(43:24):
get it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and that's a big problem why
it continues, because it's a lack of awareness is so
many places. Right, people don't care. People think that everything
works like a movie though the real stuff's going on here.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, go back and read the two thousand and six
Grandeurry transcript of the first Epstein indictment where the detective
in charge is discussing one of the young ladies that
was a blatant victim. And by the way, you can
watch some interviews with those young ladies. They have them
on YouTube, the girls from the World High School, which
is really my opinion of the crust crux, the crux
(44:06):
of the case. But there the prosecutor is trying to
throw this case. She's doing everything she can to throw
this case. And she says to the detective, well, weren't
they runaways? Weren't they wasn't there an incident where they
showed up at school on drugs and what is she
doing now, Well, she's a dancer, a stripper.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The prosecutor right, yeah, I see I'm watching. So what
the victim I'm watching right now talk is Uh, there's
what her name is, Lisa. Lisa was an actress and
I'm watching a lot of her stuff. Uh. She admitted that,
you know, because we know Hollywood, you know a lot
(44:46):
of these You just dropped a lot of directors and
stuff lap to see if you could just be a
playtoy for some of them. And she says like this,
I can't remember the director she said, but she said
one of the rectless grabbed her butt, right, and she
got she got offended by it. He fired her, but
(45:06):
she eventually got brought back. But that kind of led
to where she got linked up with Epstein and it was,
you know, a friend saying, Hey, I got this guy
who has an island not too far from here. We
should go. And she said, by the end of the night,
she's misogynal. Yeah, by the end of the night, she's
(45:26):
already misogynal. And and she's like, he has this way
of making you feel comfortable listening to your hopes and
dreams and saying he can help you know. And then
after he does this stuff to you, he he always
makes a way to to to still invest in your
hopes and dreams and connect you with people, and if
(45:49):
things slow down, he knows where to go to pick
it up. You know what I found interesting is like
with Victoria's Secret being involved with having ties with this E. F.
Steed stuff Filer a few weeks ago, like are people
are so in the state. It's like, have you all
like looked at the whole picture Victoria's Secret is involved
is tied into this too. Well.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Less Less Wexner, who ran owned the Victoria's Secrets and
the Limited and Abercrombian Frisch and all of those places
I can't even pronounce have those names. But there was
just the CEO he appointed for one of those brands
they call him now was alluring young male models from Australia,
having them shaved down and then raping them in Florida,
(46:35):
and he was just charged with this. This is so
it's right all there in that same mix with these people.
And by the way, Less Wexner too, all the crimes
that took place at the Ohio State University in those
locker rooms with that doctor down there, took place in
the less Wexner Medical building, that his wife who was
the border trustees at that school. If you can't tell
(46:55):
me this is a pattern, then then I don't know
what a.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Wow because I've watched that documentary and I totally missed that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
No, because it's not in any of these freaking documentaries.
They keep it out. They keep all this stuff, all
those documentaries, bro are are whitewashed to control this freaking story,
just like there has never been you mentioned Victoria's secrets.
Half the people talk about this that don't bring up
Victoria's secrets have no clue. But how come there was
never any effort to do a viral meme to boycott
(47:27):
Victoria's secrets. We've got every other freaking meme in the
world about Lolita and planes and islands, and it never
killed himself and this Christmas ornerent didn't hang itself. Oh
it's nonsense, right, But never a single mention of hey,
let's all boycott Victoria's secrets and make a freaking difference
in this case because the story is controlled by Epstein,
It's controlled by his friends, like Michael Wolf, like Steve Bannon,
(47:52):
like these characters. Who's the other one. I could go
on Epstein's brother Dershwitz. These these people all throw roll
up to their neck and they're out there running this story,
telling us about the thingcluding day or at least the finals.
They're telling us to release the files.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know what I mean, Bro, Yeah, it's it's a.
It's a it's a network of all networks. Dude. Oh yeah, man,
you know I was doing there. I'm there because I'm
reading because this girl, Lisa was also a part of
Four Models, right, and four Models has the John Luke
(48:29):
Brenelle connections. You know. It's it's one name after the next,
and it's all tied and feins caught in the center.
And if he's out of the center of it, he's
adjacent to somebody who's in the center of that. But
it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'll tell you something else. With these modeling agencies, you know,
as even when a model or or a photographer or
fashion designer will do a book about the blatant trafficking
was on with the modeling agencies, they'll do a book.
Then then they won't come on the show and talk
about the book, someone gets to them, someone pays them,
(49:09):
someone silences them. Yeah, the book got published, but now
they won't talk about it. They won't say a word
about what's in that book. Now that's a whole other
level of all the cover up and all this.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, the silence is definitely right.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, which reminds me. I got to get Heather Braiden
to come back. She's an eyewitness. She saw Steve Minuchin,
Trump's Treasury secretary. He was on the registered agent for
John Buchanel's modeling agency, and he claimed he had no
idea how his name got on that paperwork. But she's
(49:43):
an eyewitness to see him there and hanging around those
models and those all those parties and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, because I can't help, but I can't help with that.
There was there was these small scale parties, these media
scale parties, these big scale parties, and they had the
people and women assigned based on you know what these
people probably liked in that realm, you know, like you
(50:14):
like on a small scale. Jeffrey Epstein loves loves him
fool around with children, so he only he and the
people who like to mess around with children probably interacted
in one small circle. Then you got your New York
model agency, then you got your your Loved and Mark
Parents modeling agencies. You know, this is where all these
(50:37):
other people come into play, like the Prime Minister who
regime fraid said she will be trafficked to him bad
at her right, and he would and he would and
he would, he would beat her down.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, there's more and more coming out with these emails
and stuff. We got to keep an eye up.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It's funny you were talking about how they were I
forget who you told about. They gave her singing lessons
or something like that. But that that's a pattern too
with the who is the guy? Bill Cosby would take
these young actresses and give them acting lessons and then
later on and then with them who was the one?
(51:19):
Uh Steve Vincent fim Men told me too. They did.
They paid for Marina Oh's college. And we did a
whole show with Mark Ebner talking about Burkele and these characters.
You know, Burkele was hanging out there with Michael Jackson's
ranch too, and he was living here and staying there
before he bought it. He probably owns it.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Now, you know.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
And there was a whole thing with these guys. They
would take these young actresses in California and they would
get them school and lessons and all that stuff like that,
get them exposure and then pull the rug out from
under them. And they had nothing to do with prostitution.
And then they could prostitute these girls with using their
covers and the covers of the National Choir and all
(51:59):
these things. Is as their marketing tools to to sell
these girls. Man, just they got it. These guys got
it down to a science.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like he's been in place
for years and yeah, because you still see the because
the music industry is still full level. Entertainer industry still
full level. You know, it's small smaller versions of the
of these larger networks still doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Ze, did you look into do any research into P
Diddy and jay Z and on that, those allegations against
them all everything.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I looked into it, and all of that stuff fizzled out. Man,
Like whatever whatever jay Z is hiding, whatever jay Z
is actually hiding, I don't I don't know if you
if we will find anyone who can actually reveal it,
because the truth of the matter is he's been dodging
a paternity case for underage girl from a girl who
(52:58):
with whose son would make care of you know, say
he was the father, but he was dealing. He was
obviously dealing with the girl while she was underage. That
just went away, that just recently went away, and he
was valid that for ten years. There was a woman
who lost who had her house. I think she I
think she said she lost her house or she was
Jeffary losing her house going after jay Z because after this,
(53:22):
the child's mother died. She she took she took care
of the child, and she was the one that was
helping the lawsuit and jay Z was was after her.
So that's the only thing that kind of caught that
had kind of had some legs to it. But it's
now it's been covered up and there's been the missive
(53:43):
as they said, it was dismissed with prejudice.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Well, he's got the money, he's got the money to
spread around to make settlements and keep people quiet.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
He's got he's got the money. But but this, but
this situation with him and this woman, based on what
I've seen publicly goes back to his days of running
his days of running drugs through New Jersey, Maryland, New York.
And you know, he food around with this young lady
(54:15):
and she became pregnant and she had the kid, and
he moved on and was always under the impression that,
you know, the mother was always under impression that at
Curse was the jay Z's kid. That kid is about
thirty something years old and he's just trying to confirm
(54:35):
with this guy his dad or not.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
But where where does the time go? Man? Hey, speaking
of the time spend, We're out of time. Whe're out
of time with Z. You can find him Encyclo Zia
on YouTube and his Twitter channel is either Z or
you can find at DA twenty sixth th the twenty
sixth letter at Twitter. Z, what do you want to
(54:58):
leave us with?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Ultimately, anybody who's listening, man, just just know that I
got into this man because I think we all need
to be serious about protecting humanity. I don't believe in
living in the world where people have to be victimized
for people to see success. We can work as a
cohesive unit to be better and uh, educate yourselves on
(55:22):
on on this trafficking, because it's real and it's right
and it's happening right right under your nose, you know,
protect our kids. And uh, as far as the Michael
Jackson moves concerned, the estate is doing this to cover
it up, you got to start asking people that do
Michael Jackson a lot tougher questions. I just got, I
just got care, I got. I just got blocked by
(55:43):
his makeup artist, Karen Faith and you know she was
brought up by one of his victims. But she don't
want to ask her any tough questions either. So I'm
at a stage now, man, if I get on the platform,
best believe I'm gonna ask tough questions and you ask
great questions. Ever anybody asked a couple of questions man,
because we need to we need to clean this up.
This is this is out of hand.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
But there should be no reason to be afraid of
any question. If your hands are cleaned, I don't worry
about any question. Ask me anything, man, you know, but
we are at a time and if you're out there,
you went to Saint Dorothy's or Holy Angels in Chicago,
and you know this Thomas Sway this stuff. Uh, this priest,
UH get a hold of spanging all the Opperman investigations.
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we do, mister Z. Once again, the time flew by. Man,
(56:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
My pleasure. Man, I would like you man, thank you
you too.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Thank you so much man. Good night
Speaker 2 (57:03):
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You can find him on YouTube and you can find
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And this guy we had him on once before talking
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and childhood information he has too. Mister Z, are you there, yo?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's up? And how are you? Buddy? Hey man?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Once again, thank you so much for coming back. You know,
I enjoyed last time so much and I wanted to
get your back sooner, but you know how you dropped
the ball. Remind me audience though, who is mister Z.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, hey, well, I appreciate you keeping having me back.
You know, I'm Z. I am a I am a
person who started following the Jackson's I guess I became
kind of a Jackson investigator. Now, I've just kind of
one of these people who felt that I think we
owe it to society to get the story right when
(01:36):
it comes to like abuse and predatory behaviors. So I
found myself engulfed in the Jackson's trump. I think a
lot of people will remember from my last episode. I
am a person who can say that R. Kelly snuck
into my high school once. So I had a lot.
I had a lot of like predatory things around me.
(02:00):
And I'm just trying to become more aware. And I
hope that me become to where helps everybody else out
there become a where and we kind of protect victims
out here. We have to do our best because powerful
people are trying to abuse folks out here and I
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yep. We met mister Z through Mike Parsiality from MJ
Victims dot Com. And if you notice, it's got that
same kind of rapport, the same kind of encyclopedia mode,
encyclo zia, you might say, encyclopedia knowledge of this topic.
And it takes a certain person. You know, you can
always tell when someone is sincere about this or when
they're just out there to make a buck.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's just sometimes it's just so freaking obvious. It's sad.
But I can tell you mister Z's heart's in the
right place. Now. What was that Michael Jackson documentary you
were involved? And what was that called?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was going to leave it Neverland Part two?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right? Yeah? I sat down with Dan Reid. He interviewed
me for two hours and I shared tons of information
with him about, you know, what I had learned and
why my perspective and why my perspective was the way
that it was. Uh. I shared with him that, you know,
there were girls at my high school that R Kelly
(03:10):
came to high school one day was trying to flirt
with girls at our high school and he got thrown out.
And I felt like as a as a band, as
a protector in society, you know, we have to stand
up for kids that might be at the harm and
this's as mean. We have to be able to have
an eye outum presidence. We have to do our job.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, you said that twice. You know, it's so true
some people that they'll see that this stuff is going
on right under their nose and they'll never notice. And
I can remember when I was in grammar school on
stant Island. I started this brand new grammar school called
Saint Clair's Uh School in Great Hills on Stanton Island,
and my first two or three days there, there was
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this bald headed priest who was grabbing the young boys
in a choke hold and physically, you know, being overly
rough with these kids for no reason, but also had
his lips right up against their lips. And I saw
this and I says, no way, is this guy ever
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doing this to me?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right right right? Yeah? And just and you know, and today,
you know, I think I told you about it, but
you know, I had an incident down because I found
out one of my elementary school priests was called up
on travel a station at three different schools around Chicago,
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and there was a victim at my school. And I
was an altar boy at that school for this guy.
And looking back on it, you know, I didn't see
anything and I had I didn't have anything happened to me.
I didn't have any friends, just closed to me. Something happened.
But he was the priest that let a lot of
stuff slide and we could find if we could find
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the wine in the church, and we can dragon a
little bit. You know. I don't think I don't think
he said anything, you know, and you kind of wonder if, like,
was that all intentional? You never know, but I can't
believe that. The most disheartening thing I found out was
our head priest at that school was still an advocate
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for him to get jobs at other places.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
What year did this happen?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh? Okay. So the priest's name was Reverend Thomas Swaye.
He he was a priest at Saint Dorothy's Saint Dorothy's
Elementary School, which was my school, and he also taught
and uh he also he also served at Holy Angels.
(05:43):
Saint Dorothy's had a program called LINC and I have
I'm still connected with people in that link program. But
I was in it for a year and Father Swade
was helping African American students get opportunities to get into
high school that might be a little too expensive for
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a lot of the kids. Where we went right. So
it's all good intentions with the late program and all
of that, But what we're finding out is there are
these pockets of incidents where Father Swade had inappropriate interactions
with students, and yeah, the our head priest, it got
(06:26):
so bad. Our head priest was sent a letter straight
to the cardinal of the archdiocese to try to get
him a job back. And you know, to see that,
it's disheartening because we never saw anything. But to know
that he had things on him, you would think parents
would want to know that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, mister z, how did you see this letter? How'd
you get ahold of us?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know something. When I started doing the Jackson stuff,
I learned how to look for court documents. I learned
how to look for records. There's a whole archdiocese file
on this priest that was at my school, and I'll
send it to you, and I'm scrolling through it and
then I see father, Father Michael Mallan. I see his name,
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But that's our head that was our head priest at
our school for years. I was at that school. I
was in that school from third grade and then I
served as an ultra boy on the sixth, seventh, and
eighth grade.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And what year was this?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Uh? I served as an aultiboy in ninety one, ninety
and eighty.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Nine, ninety one, eighty nine, okay, gotcha? And what state
was this then? What state did this happening? Chicago, Illinois, Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I want to say whatever victim was
at our school that happened at about eighty three, gotcha.
I don't have the documents in fraight, but I believe
that whoever the victim was that told over they were
there in eighty three, they came, they cave, they came later,
they came out later later on, as most victims do.
(08:01):
They wait. And uh, I remember when I graduated from
this elementary school. This was the last time I saw
Father Swaye. He was in the rectory where where all
the priests and the uh where all the priests and
the nuns hang out and the bulls. The Bulls were
playing in the NBA finals, and he was up there
and he was not dressed as a priest. He was
(08:22):
dressed like like one of the beach boys sitting in
the rectory. So I kind of felt that was weird,
that was off, that he wasn't at the graduation, and
he wasn't dressed, because usually the priests are always dressed
with you. He wasn't dressed, and come to find out
he was. He was removed from Saint Dorothy's parish that
following year.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know that's interesting. Uh. First of all, by the way,
this is Holy Angels and what was the name of
this priest again?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Holy Angels Elementary School? And then what I went to
was Saint Dorothy's Elementary.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
School, Saint Dorothy's and what was the name of the
priest again? Oh, Thomas sway Thomas Swayed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, sw Ade.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
S w A d E got you. So, if anybody's
out there and you had any contact with his father,
Thomas Swayed around this time period, either in Saint Dorothy's
or Holy Angels, get a hold of me, okay, Ed Opperman,
These are kind of cases we handle eight hundred and
five seven two nine seven six two or just email
me at Opperman Investigations at gmail dot com. And if
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you have any kind of experience, negative experience with this
church or this priest or this school, get a hold
of me and we can get you some justice with
them from these people. Here, good old nuts and bolts justice. Now,
I'm not gonna go and beat anybody up, but we
will take them to court. I can't. Oh yeah if.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That fails, because it was. You know, when you go
through the child abuse files and a lot of those
preats in Chicago, it's it's terrific throughout the whole city.
And a lot of them would just get jobs and
other places and get recommended to work in other places.
You know. It was. It was definitely a cover up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh yeah, well, ze, did you ever read that thing?
The Pennsylvania Attorney Grand Jury did that giant report and
then they did that twenty page cover letter for it.
It was a full time job, man. All they were
doing in Pennsylvania in this time, all these Catholic church
was doing. Their main focus was raping little kids man,
mostly little boys.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow. Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I have the full I have the full report up
on my Patreon for free. But there's a cover letter,
a twenty page cover letter because even the grand juror said, hey, listen,
we know this thing is huge and this is so important.
We want to clarify, we want to summarize it for you,
and uh, just and when you read all these priests
were doing. They had no time to do anything else
but target these little boys. It's just insane when you
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think about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This attack on all children is the type of children
horrible And you know, being a boy myself like knowing that,
you know Michael Jackson's preface for little boys. And then
I was on that uh I saw that open secret
documentary where they were channeling all those little boys to
(11:19):
those Hollywood folks, right, and they had these kids in
the pool and they're drugging them and this this one
guy is grabbing Ben Savage on this behind, and the
guy just was able to slip away out of here.
He got he got convicted ed. I can't remember his name,
(11:39):
but I'll see Brian. He's friends with Bryan Singer. So
he said he had he needed to have a brave
recedure and they led him out of jail to go
out of the country for a brave senor and he
never came back.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh really, Well, you know, Ben Stiller made a movie.
I think it's cool. It was about him and his
son taking his son off to college. And there's a
scene in that movie of a pool party with a
producer and it's definitely based on Brian Singer. This is
not like a big secret that was going on. People
knew about this, you know, all over town. Mark Ebner
(12:16):
was friends of Brian Singer and freaking guest on this show.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And then he mentioned oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and
it was it was it was a kid who acted
in the movie with Simbad. He grew up and he
started doing it and they would saying there were all
these Hollywood people that funded it too, hm oh man.
But his name was Mark College, Mark his friend Brian's singer.
(12:39):
Spread day was like Mark College, let me find it
really quick, right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They had that digital entertainment network where they had to
stream videos on for the internet. They raised all this
money and then they used all the money to target
little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, Mark College rector their.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Own their own personal perversions, these characters.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and it's just it's it's just you know, they
and you know, they preached the statement for little boys
to always be tough and always be silent and don't
let anything break you. And you know, and it's these
people out here doing these This is these boys and
it's just awful. And I can't get because that's what
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that's What really kind of turned me off to the
Jackson thing is that there are so many people because
the movie's coming out and there's so many people idolizing him.
They are still in denials about what he did to
little kids behind the scenes, and they're still calling all
these people liars. Just the last time I talked to you,
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the Cassios have been revealed. Yeah, that's a whole family,
I know. Yeah, that Moon Tip is the house.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I know. I interviewed Vincent fi Man, who was friends
with other Cassio or brothers. I had to get him twice.
Now and you just came back from New York. You
met with him in person. Did you find out chatting
with him around a beer?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, talking to Vincent was eye opening because Vincent was
listed as a co conspirator during the Gavin Arvizo trial.
That's how I first heard his name. So when we
kind of interacted on Twitter and I found out I
was going to be working in New York, I made
the priority to hopefully link up with him, and we did.
(14:27):
He me at my hotel, We went grass something to eat,
had a coffee. It was all good as far as
what we talked about. You know, I think that Vincent
is an example of what somebody innocent does when they're
confronted with an accusation like that, because he was totally
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open with his side of the story, and he was
totally transparent with police. Right. He he told me the
story about how he was accused of taking Gavitt r
Viso's urine and poured it out. He said, the mother
did it. The mother did it because she knew she
(15:11):
would leave with her son, because she knew her son
was getting alcohol from Michael. Ah, she knew.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Wait describe it. I mean, I'm not familiar with that allegation.
He was accused of pouring out a urine sample.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, he was accused of pouring out of your sample.
And he was like, I didn't do it. I did.
He talked to anybody who would listen, right, and he said,
I didn't do that. It's like the mother did it
because she because Gavin r Viso called her after drinking
(15:52):
with Michael, so she knew the yearine was gonna be bad. Way,
because I still believe Michael Jackson molested Gavin. Yeah, you know,
Gable was a cancer patient. The fact that he's given
him alcohol is horrendous. But he was listened as a
(16:16):
co conspirator for that because the mother had said he
was the one who poured out the yearine or whatever.
So Vincent was told to take their places, and he
took their places wherever they wanted. He wasn't holding anybody
(16:37):
against their wheel or nothing. He hadn't worked there for
like ten months. He was when I talked to when
I talked to Vincent, you know, and I don't know,
I don't know what else he's comfortable with me saying
about the stuff we said. But Vincent, missus. The way
I think Vincent had a grite was kind of with
(16:59):
finding guys. Oh later on that, Yeah, Michael Jackson did
have this habit because he was always told Michael Jackson
didn't have this habit with little boys, and it's comes
to find and you know, he asked, he said, he asked,
he acquired. You know, he's tight with the whole family.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. He shared with me too about how you know,
everyone talks about Jackson giving the alcohol and the sexual molestation,
but also to getting these kids hooked on opiates, which
is a lifelong man that you never yet you're never
one hundred percent, especially if you if you're on that
in your formative years, you're never the same. You're never
(17:40):
the same once you've been down that road with those
freaking opiates, man. And to hear that all these little
boys were addicted to these freaking opiates, man, it's just heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It is it is, man, and that's and that's that's
kind of why I am so like so gets like
I saw the movie trailer Man, and I'm just like
sick to my stuff because I know that this is
just gonna help with the cover up. You know, this
is this, this state of Michael Jackson is currently having
(18:11):
to deal with the Cassios and they're gonna have to
deal with Wade James next year too. There's no way
we should be exalting Michael Jackson and ignoring and let
people continue to ignore this dark side of it. I
try to get on I try to get on platforms,
and I feel like LaToya Jackson was back in the
(18:31):
day when she was trying to tell on her brother,
like some some of these platforms don't want people on.
Who's gonna tell the truth? Yeah, she would. She ended
up having to go more to Howard. She trusted Howard
Stern more than anybody. She got Honist on Howard Stern,
(18:51):
you know, and then she ended up changing her story
obviously because of whatever happened with the family and jack
Jack Gordon. But that's what you feel like right now.
I was like, man, I was in New York. I
tried to get on the Breakfast Club. They're lying about
Michael Jackson every other week, it seems, yeah, saying good
things about jack to get me on the Breakfast Club
(19:13):
or nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
They're saying good things about Jackson.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They were talking about They're always talking about Michael. They're
raving about the about about Michael Jackson and uh, Michael
Jackson and the movie. Right, they're just raving about it.
And they've been on there. They've had people come on
there and they start telling that lie about how you've
always heard the lie about Jordan. Channer came out later
(19:38):
on it saying it was all a lie and all
this other stuff, which is bs.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, I've never seen that. I think I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, right, nobody's ever seen that. I get kind of
passionate about this, so I'll watch myself. But people are
out here repeating that. People are repeating that the FBI
didn't find nothing. Well, there's a when there's a page
(20:05):
if the FBI filed their says, Jordan Chandler just didn't cooperate.
They don't mean that the FBI didn't have nothing, Like
what do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And Jack Gordon too, Jack Gordon, who's now sink himself
by the way, Like this guy had a chain of
massage parlors and every partner he ever had died, but
Jack Gordon. Before they went to the press though, LaToya
and Jack Gordon went to the prosecutor. They went to
the DA's office and they didn't do anything. So you know,
they went they they did their their job, and then
(20:39):
they went a press conference. I think it was an
Israel right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right, right? They did there exactly they did. They went
to the they went to the District Attorney's office. LaToya
gave names of real people. She said Michael was also
involved with the Jehovah Witness kids, which we know that
Jehovah Witness has a history of co up child abuse. Right, this,
(21:04):
this is what I want. I want to be able
to because there are people who I know who do
the Jackson's, who do bikel We have to start asking
the much touching questions now, right, there's a there's a
there's a woman in entertainment. I for got her name. Uh,
she just got on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. She
(21:24):
would she was at the same Kingdom Hall as the Jacksons.
It was the Jehovah Witness. So you want to ask her, like,
did you know anything? Did you see anything? Right, paul
Abdul hung out at the Haven Hirst House when my
friends there. Did you see anything, Paula? You worked with Wade?
What happened? Do you believe him? Well?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You know in high school. In high school, Michael Jackson
hung out with Danny Bonaducci and Christian brand though Christian
Brando went to prison for murder and and and all,
I'm both all ThReD wanked up with the heavy drug
addictions and won are what those three were running around
doing together?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Danny Danny, Yeah, you know, And I'm because I'm curious
about every and whatever. Also what bothers me? That's that's
a good point. It's the famous kids. None of the
famous kids are saying anything. Yeah, and that's what And
that's a red flag to me because I'm going back
and I've seen Michael Jackson in a scene with Adam
(22:27):
Rich remember Adam rich from and I'm like, I'm wondering
because Adam rich tad was doing well and turned to
the life of drugs and all kinds of stuff. What
what was your relation? What was his relationship with Michael Jackson?
Does anybody know because he was what he was, they
(22:49):
have a connection to d annybody Doucy doesn't he? Uh?
Oh really, There's just a lot of people that know
the true But there are a lot of people who
are being silent. Bro. And I'm saying, if I get
on some of these platforms, I'm gonna ask tough questions
because people are are There are people who are still
(23:11):
out there trying to protect this dude who's legacy, and
that's their commitment. You know, I watched the view. I
see all the view, you know, looking Goldberg and his
friends with the Jacksons. Sherry Shepherd, she's Cherry Shepherd's the
one who went to their Kingdom hall. Sher Shepherd. She
just went on the Hollywood Walker fame. She went to
(23:32):
the same kingdom Hall of Jehovah witness as the Jackson's.
We should ask you, did you see anything did you
hear about Michael having issues with kids? Because LaToya said
he brought Jacoba with Jehovah witness kids home. What's up?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
She also LaToya also said he would bring home soiled
baby diapers. He would come back from Studio fifty four
in New York Canna with Roalda Rivera and Trump was
sent down at that time. He would come back from
Studio fifty four five o'clock in the morning with soiled
baby diapers.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, he kept him in his roll, but he was
keeping his nephew soiled baby diapers too.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really, Hey, what's going to right? And when they're with
this new film you were talking about, Paris Jackson is
all upset about this and she doesn't support the film.
But what can you tell us about that?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She said? People, She said, if the film is designed
to pander to a certain part of her father's fan base.
The translation is if it's made specifically for the bullwalkers,
it's made specifically for them. It's it's gonna tell that
Michael Jackson was what Michael Jackson was, candy and nuts
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twenty four to seven. He didn't do anything but bull
walk around the world.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, so he was he was nuts. Can't did that?
I can't I take difference with you. Now, who's putting
on who's up producing this film? It's like Netflix or
something like that, HBO because lions Gate lions.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, lions Gate was doing the Field and Lionsgate. The
movie was supposed to come out next last year. Apparently
they had wrote in something about the Chandler the events
of the Chandler accusation, and realized that that court document
said they couldn't misrepresent the Chandlers like that, so they
(25:24):
had to go change it, and they spent one hundred
over one hundred million dollars reshooting and rewriting all of that.
So my guess is they're gonna make a movie. They're
probably gonna stop it around the Bad, the Bad era
of Michael Jackson before the allegation comes out. They're gonna
see how the movie does. They're probably gonna do a sequel,
(25:45):
right because because this movie has a chance to make
them billions of dollars. I've already saw them partnering with
clothing brands to make clothes like Michael Jackson. So they're
gonna be all types of people dressed like Michael Jackson
as the movie theater, including kids, which we know he
used to get off on that right. He's loved to
(26:08):
have these kids dressed like him. M hm. And they're
gonna be all at the movie theater. Full Family put
put put billions back into the pockets of the estate.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
While stage lions Gate is that Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Lions I don't know whose lions Gate. Uh lion Steven
Spielberg was that? Uh dream Works.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Okay, okay, lions Gate is one of those things.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Lionsgate. Uh, lions Gate feels.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, I'm looking that up and leesn't say any names
that would do would jump out of me right away.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, John Dundy, Andre Lake, Frank Gestra, Uh, Joe Drake
is the phil Group chairman. Adam Focus is the vice chare.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, they're playing Twilight. They put out Twilight, Okay, yeah, man,
Hey did Vincent f I men, Did he mention anything
about the whole situation with going to Joe taka Pina's office.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He he, he didn't mention anything different from what he
said on your show about you know, he he retained
he had retained Joe as a lawyer doing that time,
and I think there was some mission about him hot
Joe hot, maybe hoidings and stuff for Michael right. That
(27:44):
was We didn't talk about him much, but I definitely
remember him kind of just kind of mentioning it that uh,
you know, he had mentioned on your show. So I
was fully aware of that, you know, I you know,
I just think he I think he kind of opened
up about his just kind of his disappointment of finding
out that Michael was actually harming kids, right, and he
(28:08):
would have been you know, he had you know, because
he because he said, like if he knew that Michael
was kind of doing that, he would have never took
the job. He would have never took the job, as
bad as he at the time, as bad as he
needed it, you know, he was, uh he had lost
his job due to nine to eleven and uh, you
know fright being a friend of his, say hey, come
(28:32):
work for Michael, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And so now the entire family, they're suing the estate higher.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Cassio family is suing these states. The kids. It's the kids.
I saw a declaration from the little girl that was
in the family of well she's not literally more I
shouldn't say little girl, but the woman that's in the family, Uh,
her declaration I see it as public kid. They definitely
(29:00):
talk about how the estate didn't walk them to get
lawyers involved. The estate wanted them to agree to a
settlement and basically side over their life rights. So they
don't talk about this. And I think it's horrific because
this estate is continuing what Michael Jackson did. What he's alive.
(29:22):
He's just paid for silence, and I'll.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Spend my experience. It's my experience is sometimes dealing with
the estate is even more work. It's worse than when
the guys alive, uh, because they still want to protect
their reputation. They don't want public you know, they don't
they don't want that kind of publicity.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So they're a really easier to deal with when you're
with the gloves are off, when when you're dealing with
the estate. Yeah, I had a real problem.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah. So that state is had by John Brockley. John
Brocken has been called out, you know, you know, trying
to try to try to talk. He doesn't talk kindly
about the accusations against Michael, as with Wade and James
(30:09):
were out here. But he's the one who talked about
how they paid these these cats paid the casios off.
Almost a year ago. He made this public. We just
didn't know it was the Casios at the time, right,
So he's admitting, yeah, we had some allegations coming and
(30:30):
we paid it off and that's just that. And now
for the reasons of people not letting lawyers get involved,
the Casios want more, buddy, the Casios feel like they
got a raw deal here. Maybe they did.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Let me ask you this when only had discussions and researches.
As were there NDAs that they have to sign NDAs
the Casios and our men when he took the job.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh don't. I don't know if they were on NBAS
and we didn't mention in the IDAs. I don't think
really any did miss in the NBA. When I talked
to him, and when I looked through the little the
declaration from the Cassio girl, I didn't see anything he
hears about the NBA. I'll have to read it again
because I just got it yesterday, right right, I'll dig
(31:24):
it to you so you could read it. But yeah,
I didn't see anything about das. But NBA's or no,
NBA's are no longer iron clad for covering up crimes
like child abused dude, No.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Way, no, no no idea. Just like with Stormy Daniels.
You know, they could still get a criminal conviction, you know,
based on the charges. But what happens is she lost
all that money she was paid off and she had
to pay back three times as much and they got
ripped off on top of the lawyer who told her
boy at the n DA, he ripped her off for
another three hundred thousand. But that was a whole another
(31:57):
situation when the guy was just a criminal to begin with.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Man about the Swiss places for just a second. So
with with with now all these emails and things coming
out about Trump and Epstein talking about Trump, would you
kind of looked at all this kind of stuff? Did
any of this stuff come up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, yeah, going back, okay, I've been talking about for
a long time that uh uh, the stuff about Michael Wolfe,
you know, especially more lately when he's kind of taken
this role of being this exposer and he's gonna assume
Malania and he's you know, he's Michael Wolfe was friends
with Epstein. He was friends with Steve benn and Steve
(32:39):
Bannon was friends with Epstein. They were those three were
very very close to Epstein. And everyone talks about Bannon
helping Epstein with his his media and is recorded for
interviews and stuff like that practice interviews. But they were close,
way back from Wall Street days. These this this is
a lifelong friendship with these these three. And then then oh,
(33:01):
then I just I did a great series of interviews
called Steve Bannon's Porn and Meth House, which took place
down in Florida where they there was actually padlocks on
the inside of Steve Bannon's house that the new tenants
saw evidence of padlocks on the inside of the windows
to keep people locked in. There was evidence of met production.
(33:23):
There was porn stars showing up at the door saying, hey,
I mean this is my is my shoot ready to go?
Now the places that are out of business, and then
all stuff about Steve Bannon's first wife. She does soft
porn in Sweden. She's a Swedish model quote unquote, but
she does porn films. And there was a domestic violence
arrest that she was trying to smuggle in a cell
phone in marijuana to her boyfriend who was in jail
(33:44):
down there in Florida. So there's a ton of information
about Steve Bannon's Porn in Meth House. And what I
was told right at the end of the interview was
that he spoke to investigators in Palm Beach about a
connection to human trafficking and sex traffic, the game between
Steve Bannon and their case in Palm Beach, which was
obviously the Epstein case. So it's all there, man, and
(34:08):
a little by a little that's coming out, so to
So the Steve Bannon Michael Wolfe stuff, Yeah, I've been
talking about that for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And then the stuff about now they're saying that the
oh one that Trump was present in the apartment with
one of the young victims. I'm convinced that's Virginia Jeffrey.
I don't know if it's come out, if it's common
knowledge now that people aren't there talking about it that
it's her, But that was my prediction. Oh it look good. Yeah,
that was my prediction right away.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, that's what it is. That's what they say it.
And because because they're making a big deal about her
saying that she didn't say anything about Trump when she
told her book or whatever. But we we know how
that works. We know that people are still afraid to
say certain days the victims are slowly but surely talking.
(34:59):
And you know what I read that when I read
that lawsuit with Trump and the Epstein's code defended, you know,
there's this there was that part of that missing girl
that always intrigued me, right there, some girl.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That was there, Marrea. Yeah, Maria, that the watch out.
Otherwise what happened to Maria will happened to you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh wow, that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
And I know, well, we could never locate I. It's
my ideas on how to pursue that, but then we've
never taken up on But what do you call it?
It was the thing with Virginia Jeffrey and why I
always thought that she had settled was is I was
intimately involved in Palm Beach cases right around that, around
two thousand and seventeen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, I went
(35:47):
down there several times and interviewed people from Royal Palm's
High School, which is where Virginia Judfrey also went, and
they were all getting one million dollar payoffs from Epstein.
One million. Everybody was getting a million. It was was
the going rate back in those days. But then later
on when we found out the public release of the
jew Free settlement with Epstein, it was a half a million,
(36:09):
and I said, what, that's weird. You know, why didn't
she get the full million? Why did she only get half?
Well we found out later on with Stormy Dangles that
Trump has a way when he's settling something. He doesn't
just do a settlement. He doesn't do his lawyer. And
I've convoluted you know, the home equity loans and all
this kind of crazy stuff. Right, so, right, right, it
all makes sense. But just think it would be legal malpractice.
(36:32):
And these are all serious lawyers. Legal malpractice. If you
have a crime initiated from a member of mari A Lago.
They came to first contact at Maro a Lago, she
was an employee of mar Laga. It would be legal
malpractice not to sue mar A Lago and a guy
who happens, we have a billionaire too that owns. To
pursue him personally too, there's no reason not to, and
(36:56):
not all this business about oh he was cooperating, bullshit? Man,
So what he cooperates? Man's still he's a nice guy.
I'm not gonna sew him for a half million and
give me a break. There's so much to that and
then what happened was her father was the the maintenance
director at mar A Lago and he retired on a
(37:18):
horse ranch right around that same time. So soon as
I find this out, I said, how did this maintenance
director retire with our horse ranch in Florida? That's crazy?
Where did you get that kind of money? Soon as
I started talking about that, the bridge between me and
Virginia Drew Frey was over forever. She would never talk
to me again. She never followed me on Twitter, she
(37:38):
never communicated with me in any possible way, even when
things directly were related to me, she didn't. She wouldn't
acknowledge me. Then after her death, you know, and I
knew people wh would in contact with her and her
little group that her group chat that the vincent that
men talks about in our interview, I I said, while
(38:00):
she always hated me, and they go, no it she
didn't hate you, but she didn't like you. So why
didn't she like me? What on the other way? You know,
what other reason why you have not to like me?
Other than bringing this up? What else?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I know I know which brings me back to vincentofa
men because you know his wife Rena Oh is suing
the Virginia Jeffrey estate.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Correct, correct, we were, we were together today. The book
came out.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Think about that time, so Joe, okay, And did did
Virginia and Jeffrey mention her allegations against Rena, oh, that
that she had sued over Did she mention it? Again?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, we talked about he and I talked about it
from Rita's perspective. He said, he said that Virginia, it weighs,
was acting as a battle no different things will Yeah,
and and uh, she was she was put up front
(39:05):
as the main victim because she has the Chris Andry picture,
she has all these things. She had enough to bring
attention to the matter. Right, So I felt that was
pretty accurate. You know, I didn't know. I didn't know.
I didn't know her husband was beating her the way
(39:28):
he was, but you know that was unfortunate. But yeah,
he listened absolutely mean that, Uh you know, his his
wife had direct buildings with uh, Virginia, and Virginia was
just as bad as just as bad as delayed in
a lot of ways, right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Which is by the way, right, which by the way,
doesn't mean oh that she's lying or she's a terrible
person whatever, correct, Because when you're when you've been through
this kind of trauma, and she had this childhood trauma
way before she ever heard the name Epstein. She had
the same kind of childhood traumas okay, and then then
expanded later on in her life. When you've been through
(40:09):
this kind of stuff and then all you know is,
for lack of a better term, sex work. You know,
this is sex work, unwanted sex work, but this type
of sex traffic, once you've been through that, that's really
all you know, that's all. That's just like you and me,
we grew up in a certain way and that's all
you know. You can't judge these people for what they've
(40:30):
been through and that's all they know. If they go
back to that kind of work, that's very very very common.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And yeah, and let me clear that up out of
respect for her. Yes, she was absolutely grueve. There's no
doubt about it, no doubt about it. She was absolutely grove.
And you know, and I'll be and I'm just saying
this in a way and how I present it, but
I definitely acknowledge that, you know, she was grooved into that,
(40:55):
into that lifestyle and the way and the way I
hear these stories about how Jeffrey ste played this manipulated
people and use their watch and needs to get them. Yeah,
it's it's that's that's how you that's how you build
somebody like that, right.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Right, And and he was a pro at this man, And.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean, I mean it's no alcohol, no drugs, just charm.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Well also too, if you look, I remember early on
they had his Amazon book list and a couple of
his books. No, it was in his trash was how
to groom a sex slave, how to how to you
know the guy was. This was his focus, you know.
And so when you hear all this stuff about blackmail
and espionage the guys, the guy's focus is really on
(41:44):
scamming and stealing money and raping little kids. Man, that
was really what this guy was about.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Michael jacksually had how to, uh
have books and takes on how to manipulate people in
his in his possession. I was I was caught that
about employee For a person that says they're an employee
of Michael Jackson, I WoT to veteran see if if
it is who I think it is, man, I'm gonna
(42:08):
I'm gonna give a show immediately. It's apparently a maid.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh really, Oh that's that's great. That's good man.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, so I think it's I think I know who
it is, but I'm not gonna I'm gonna press it.
But I would talk to him because they commented on
by They commented on one of my h on one
of my videos on my YouTube. Dude. So I just
saw this like two nights ago. So I'm gonna try
to reach out to them. If I could get that
(42:39):
worked out, man, best believe I would have some juice
for you.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Bro. Yeah, good day, get a hold of me right away.
And that's so common. And people that are directly involved,
like they don't want to come right out and contact
you directly, but they'll just like a little little breadcrumbs,
a little hints, you know what I mean, little context. Yeah,
And I know, but they want to be They want
to so bad. But it's when you open yourself up
to this. Man, like even our little discussions we've had
(43:02):
today about the Virginia Is there are people out there
that just see all this in black and white. I
see it through the lens of a lifetime movie, you know,
right right, and that's all they know. They have no
personal experience in it, this kind of stuff, you know,
and that's all they know. And they just well, this
is black and white and if you then then you're
bad and you're on there. So yeah, they just can't
there's so many nuances to all this. People just don't
(43:24):
get it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and that's a big problem why
it continues, because it's a lack of awareness is so
many places. Right, people don't care. People think that everything
works like a movie though the real stuff's going on here.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, go back and read the two thousand and six
Grandeurry transcript of the first Epstein indictment where the detective
in charge is discussing one of the young ladies that
was a blatant victim. And by the way, you can
watch some interviews with those young ladies. They have them
on YouTube, the girls from the World High School, which
is really my opinion of the crust crux, the crux
(44:06):
of the case. But there the prosecutor is trying to
throw this case. She's doing everything she can to throw
this case. And she says to the detective, well, weren't
they runaways? Weren't they wasn't there an incident where they
showed up at school on drugs and what is she
doing now, Well, she's a dancer, a stripper.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The prosecutor right, yeah, I see I'm watching. So what
the victim I'm watching right now talk is Uh, there's
what her name is, Lisa. Lisa was an actress and
I'm watching a lot of her stuff. Uh. She admitted that,
you know, because we know Hollywood, you know a lot
(44:46):
of these You just dropped a lot of directors and
stuff lap to see if you could just be a
playtoy for some of them. And she says like this,
I can't remember the director she said, but she said
one of the rectless grabbed her butt, right, and she
got she got offended by it. He fired her, but
(45:06):
she eventually got brought back. But that kind of led
to where she got linked up with Epstein and it was,
you know, a friend saying, Hey, I got this guy
who has an island not too far from here. We
should go. And she said, by the end of the night,
she's misogynal. Yeah, by the end of the night, she's
(45:26):
already misogynal. And and she's like, he has this way
of making you feel comfortable listening to your hopes and
dreams and saying he can help you know. And then
after he does this stuff to you, he he always
makes a way to to to still invest in your
hopes and dreams and connect you with people, and if
(45:49):
things slow down, he knows where to go to pick
it up. You know what I found interesting is like
with Victoria's Secret being involved with having ties with this E. F.
Steed stuff Filer a few weeks ago, like are people
are so in the state. It's like, have you all
like looked at the whole picture Victoria's Secret is involved
is tied into this too. Well.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Less Less Wexner, who ran owned the Victoria's Secrets and
the Limited and Abercrombian Frisch and all of those places
I can't even pronounce have those names. But there was
just the CEO he appointed for one of those brands
they call him now was alluring young male models from Australia,
having them shaved down and then raping them in Florida,
(46:35):
and he was just charged with this. This is so
it's right all there in that same mix with these people.
And by the way, Less Wexner too, all the crimes
that took place at the Ohio State University in those
locker rooms with that doctor down there, took place in
the less Wexner Medical building, that his wife who was
the border trustees at that school. If you can't tell
(46:55):
me this is a pattern, then then I don't know
what a.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Wow because I've watched that documentary and I totally missed that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
No, because it's not in any of these freaking documentaries.
They keep it out. They keep all this stuff, all
those documentaries, bro are are whitewashed to control this freaking story,
just like there has never been you mentioned Victoria's secrets.
Half the people talk about this that don't bring up
Victoria's secrets have no clue. But how come there was
never any effort to do a viral meme to boycott
(47:27):
Victoria's secrets. We've got every other freaking meme in the
world about Lolita and planes and islands, and it never
killed himself and this Christmas ornerent didn't hang itself. Oh
it's nonsense, right, But never a single mention of hey,
let's all boycott Victoria's secrets and make a freaking difference
in this case because the story is controlled by Epstein,
It's controlled by his friends, like Michael Wolf, like Steve Bannon,
(47:52):
like these characters. Who's the other one. I could go
on Epstein's brother Dershwitz. These these people all throw roll
up to their neck and they're out there running this story,
telling us about the thingcluding day or at least the finals.
They're telling us to release the files.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know what I mean, Bro, Yeah, it's it's a.
It's a it's a network of all networks. Dude. Oh yeah, man,
you know I was doing there. I'm there because I'm
reading because this girl, Lisa was also a part of
Four Models, right, and four Models has the John Luke
(48:29):
Brenelle connections. You know. It's it's one name after the next,
and it's all tied and feins caught in the center.
And if he's out of the center of it, he's
adjacent to somebody who's in the center of that. But
it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'll tell you something else. With these modeling agencies, you know,
as even when a model or or a photographer or
fashion designer will do a book about the blatant trafficking
was on with the modeling agencies, they'll do a book.
Then then they won't come on the show and talk
about the book, someone gets to them, someone pays them,
(49:09):
someone silences them. Yeah, the book got published, but now
they won't talk about it. They won't say a word
about what's in that book. Now that's a whole other
level of all the cover up and all this.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, the silence is definitely right.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, which reminds me. I got to get Heather Braiden
to come back. She's an eyewitness. She saw Steve Minuchin,
Trump's Treasury secretary. He was on the registered agent for
John Buchanel's modeling agency, and he claimed he had no
idea how his name got on that paperwork. But she's
(49:43):
an eyewitness to see him there and hanging around those
models and those all those parties and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, because I can't help, but I can't help with that.
There was there was these small scale parties, these media
scale parties, these big scale parties, and they had the
people and women assigned based on you know what these
people probably liked in that realm, you know, like you
(50:14):
like on a small scale. Jeffrey Epstein loves loves him
fool around with children, so he only he and the
people who like to mess around with children probably interacted
in one small circle. Then you got your New York
model agency, then you got your your Loved and Mark
Parents modeling agencies. You know, this is where all these
(50:37):
other people come into play, like the Prime Minister who
regime fraid said she will be trafficked to him bad
at her right, and he would and he would and
he would, he would beat her down.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, there's more and more coming out with these emails
and stuff. We got to keep an eye up.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It's funny you were talking about how they were I
forget who you told about. They gave her singing lessons
or something like that. But that that's a pattern too
with the who is the guy? Bill Cosby would take
these young actresses and give them acting lessons and then
later on and then with them who was the one?
(51:19):
Uh Steve Vincent fim Men told me too. They did.
They paid for Marina Oh's college. And we did a
whole show with Mark Ebner talking about Burkele and these characters.
You know, Burkele was hanging out there with Michael Jackson's
ranch too, and he was living here and staying there
before he bought it. He probably owns it.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Now, you know.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
And there was a whole thing with these guys. They
would take these young actresses in California and they would
get them school and lessons and all that stuff like that,
get them exposure and then pull the rug out from
under them. And they had nothing to do with prostitution.
And then they could prostitute these girls with using their
covers and the covers of the National Choir and all
(51:59):
these things. Is as their marketing tools to to sell
these girls. Man, just they got it. These guys got
it down to a science.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like he's been in place
for years and yeah, because you still see the because
the music industry is still full level. Entertainer industry still
full level. You know, it's small smaller versions of the
of these larger networks still doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Ze, did you look into do any research into P
Diddy and jay Z and on that, those allegations against
them all everything.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I looked into it, and all of that stuff fizzled out. Man,
Like whatever whatever jay Z is hiding, whatever jay Z
is actually hiding, I don't I don't know if you
if we will find anyone who can actually reveal it,
because the truth of the matter is he's been dodging
a paternity case for underage girl from a girl who
(52:58):
with whose son would make care of you know, say
he was the father, but he was dealing. He was
obviously dealing with the girl while she was underage. That
just went away, that just recently went away, and he
was valid that for ten years. There was a woman
who lost who had her house. I think she I
think she said she lost her house or she was
Jeffary losing her house going after jay Z because after this,
(53:22):
the child's mother died. She she took she took care
of the child, and she was the one that was
helping the lawsuit and jay Z was was after her.
So that's the only thing that kind of caught that
had kind of had some legs to it. But it's
now it's been covered up and there's been the missive
(53:43):
as they said, it was dismissed with prejudice.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Well, he's got the money, he's got the money to
spread around to make settlements and keep people quiet.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
He's got he's got the money. But but this, but
this situation with him and this woman, based on what
I've seen publicly goes back to his days of running
his days of running drugs through New Jersey, Maryland, New York.
And you know, he food around with this young lady
(54:15):
and she became pregnant and she had the kid, and
he moved on and was always under the impression that,
you know, the mother was always under impression that at
Curse was the jay Z's kid. That kid is about
thirty something years old and he's just trying to confirm
(54:35):
with this guy his dad or not.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
But where where does the time go? Man? Hey, speaking
of the time spend, We're out of time. Whe're out
of time with Z. You can find him Encyclo Zia
on YouTube and his Twitter channel is either Z or
you can find at DA twenty sixth th the twenty
sixth letter at Twitter. Z, what do you want to
(54:58):
leave us with?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Ultimately, anybody who's listening, man, just just know that I
got into this man because I think we all need
to be serious about protecting humanity. I don't believe in
living in the world where people have to be victimized
for people to see success. We can work as a
cohesive unit to be better and uh, educate yourselves on
(55:22):
on on this trafficking, because it's real and it's right
and it's happening right right under your nose, you know,
protect our kids. And uh, as far as the Michael
Jackson moves concerned, the estate is doing this to cover
it up, you got to start asking people that do
Michael Jackson a lot tougher questions. I just got, I
just got care, I got. I just got blocked by
(55:43):
his makeup artist, Karen Faith and you know she was
brought up by one of his victims. But she don't
want to ask her any tough questions either. So I'm
at a stage now, man, if I get on the platform,
best believe I'm gonna ask tough questions and you ask
great questions. Ever anybody asked a couple of questions man,
because we need to we need to clean this up.
This is this is out of hand.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
But there should be no reason to be afraid of
any question. If your hands are cleaned, I don't worry
about any question. Ask me anything, man, you know, but
we are at a time and if you're out there,
you went to Saint Dorothy's or Holy Angels in Chicago,
and you know this Thomas Sway this stuff. Uh, this priest,
UH get a hold of spanging all the Opperman investigations.
At Gmail, you can reach me at one eight hundred
(56:25):
and five, seven nine, seven sixty two. Joe, shoot me
an Opperman report at Gene Monk if you get a
hold of me. We work on these cases. These are
our specialties. We sued Charlie Sheen, we sued Epstein, we
sued Trump, we shoot Disney. We're all successful. Look up
these cases. We were successful every single time. So get
a hold of and we'll put together. Or you got
another case, a similar kind of case. This is what
we do, mister Z. Once again, the time flew by. Man,
(56:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
My pleasure. Man, I would like you man, thank you
you too.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Thank you so much man. Good night
Speaker 2 (57:03):
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