December 4, 2023 • 59 mins
SiriusXM host Sonnie Johnson joins the show to talk about politics, advocating for Black outreach on the right, the intersection of politics and hip-hop and more.
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We have a very special guest thatwe're gonna get to in just a little
bit. But first, miss O'Malley, how are you. I'm actually great.
I've been doing good. I thinkthe last few show it's not been
good, but uh yeah, I'veactually just been real great. And you
know what, Darbo, Actually,over the past few years, I'm like
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bought humbug, you know, butthis year I'm like, oh, like
all Dolly and just like totally juststressing people out with Christmas music, and
I immediately started decorating like the secondI woke up the day after Thanksgiving.
So yeah, I wonder why.I wonder why, Dante, I wonder
why, But no, sir,don't start with me. I wonder why.
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But I will say this. Youhad an old person moment before the
show started. Tell me what theirold person moment was. Listen. Okay,
So I was thrilled because I wasout shopping today and I went and
bought me a new vacuum. Okay, I I was so. I'm so
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excited because it were so damn goodbecause I have a cat, you guys,
and I mean whether you have acat or dog whatever. And so
the first vacuum I had, theyfalse advertisement first and foremost talking about it
was for pets, Okay, forthe firs and only thing that my pets
fur does to the first vacuum isclogs it up, and I'll be getting
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mad and cussing it out. SoI went and bought me another one,
and I love it. I'm soexcited. You know, fluffy clean carpet.
You know the funniest thing about itwas like perfect time because right before
we get the show, I waswatching local News and they were doing a
story about when the average person feelslike they're an adult, and it was
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like when you're excited about getting householdap clients, listen, I don't lick
candles. I'm testing you, likeI will be happy. Lord, have
mercy, Lord, have mercy.God. How you doing so? I'm
doing good? Ohio State loss againin Michigan, so that you know,
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that wasn't great. But outside ofthat, man, it was a it
was a solid Thanksgiving weekend. Goodfood, good people, and uh now
we get back to the regularly scheduledprogram, you know. Oh yeah,
that's right, that's right. Wegotta go around. How uh what did
you do for Thanksgiving? Dante?I stayed in, I went over my
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godparents' house to uh yeah, Iwent over my godparents' house. They cooked.
But other than that, man,it was it was smooth, you
know, nothing, nothing crazy.It was small, really me and my
mom on Thanksgiving Day and then thenext day, I should say, we
went over to my godparents' house andspent some time with them. But other
than that, man, it wasjust you know, it's cool, simple
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robbing would you get into. Camehome, pulled myself together and just did
my rounds to go see everybody.The family wasn't really all together this year
year, so I kind of wentfrom like place to place, and I
was very tired, but luckily didnot have to work the next day,
so well, well, yeah,yeah, of course you were tired.
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You got forty seven siblings, soyou had a lot of houses. I
only went to no, no,no, no, we'll see because we'll
see. Two of my siblings verylived very far, so I did not
get to see them. Okay,yeah, so but I did go to
three places. So but it wasit was tiring, but it was it
was nicetig family, y'all. ThatI do not have my family, actually
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not stop it. I don't.I really don't, you know, y'all.
But other than that, it wascool. You know, but how
was your Thanksgiving? So I wentto my aunt and it was real cool.
She's in she's in her eighties,so really like after my grandmother passed
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and then you know, one ofmy other aunts passed, like this line
here has kind of been like asurrogate you know, grandmother on my mother's
side for me. So you know, it was real cool to get over
there and kick it me and mymother went over there and you know,
with kicking with her kids and grandkidsand you know, just eight of Thanksgiving
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talk junk, you know what I'msaying, Like like like like big southern
Black families tend to do. Youknow what I'm saying, get around around
the table talking jump and I ain'tkicking it, man, and just enjoying
people's company. So I had agood time, had a good time,
really enjoyed it. This is myfavorite time of the year. Like I
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love I love Thanksgiving. I lovethe Christmas season, Like I'm I'm for
all of that, the lights,everything, all of that, Like I'm
for it all. It's too coldhere you go. I mean, I
would say the two negatives about thistime time of year is probably the cold.
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And then you know, then yougot to spend money, a lot
of money, right yeah. Soyou know what is so crazy, because,
like I just said, I've beenvery jolly right up until today,
I'm like, you know what,I'm suddenly not feeling it. I had
to spend money, and I meanit was only like just just touching just
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the tip of the iceberg, justjust started shopping. So I haven't even
begun to spend as much. Youacted like a real Capricorn right now.
But you know what, Darveio.On top of that, my daughter turns
ten years old in sixteen days,so I also have that like literally right
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before Christmas. Who you tell youknow we're we're both January babies. Our
birthdays are close to christ you know, I know, you know I understand
what my birthday is on January seventh. Like, so I'm closed. I
get it. Where you got thatChristmas in that birthday? Ye ain't no
joke. And sometimes it ain't funbecause you know, sometimes people be like,
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here, here's a gift for Christmas. Yeah, so I've been trying
to like, Okay, don't youknow I gotta make sure I get her
gifts for this, but you knowI gotta make sure she got gifts for
that right now. Damn girl,Why you couldn't come into this world when
you were supposed to, Like youwere super impatient, Like you couldn't wait
till tax time? You know?All right, we have a very special
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guest that we're gonna get to rightnow. We have a very special guest
on the show today. I'm sureI'm probably gonna get in a little bit
of good trouble with his sister.Tonight, she is the host of Sonny's
Corner on Sirius x SEM Sonny Johnson, Welcome, How you doing. I
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am doing on well? And whatis wrong with a little good trouble.
That's right, that's right. Sobefore we tackle some of the issues going
on right now, some of thenews of the day, what I want
to do is for people who maynot know, who may not be aware,
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just talk a little bit about yourorigin story, how you got involved
in politics, you know, justall that good stuff. I got into
politics totally by accident. I starteda blog, the Black Republicans at the
time, the Hip Hop Republicans,and their squad found me and kind of
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pulled me into a matrix. Igot hooked in with Steve Bennett and started
working with Breitbart, and I've beenactive in politics ever since. I'm not
a big person on doing the originstory unless it's in context of a certain
topic that we that we discussed.You know, I'm much more interested to
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talk about the mission than myself.I know, I know you are.
That's why I want to make surewe talked about you first, because I
do think it's important to make surethat you know, people hear that origin
story and then I can give yourflowers and all that good stuff. So
I know you don't like to talkabout you, but that's why we're gonna
talk about you, because you've beenYou've been out here doing the work.
You've been doing the work for along time. So you have a Sunny's
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Corner. When did Sunny's Corner start? How long have you been doing it?
I think we're getting ready to startour fifth year Sunny's Corner. So
we just got renewed again, sowe'll still be on serious X and patriot
and I know that there's a lotof white Republicans and conservatives that hate that
fact, but yeah, we justgot picked up a renewed so this will
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be our fifth year doing Sunny's Corner. Well, congratulations on your renewal.
That's that's a big deal. That'svery important for the culture. For people
who haven't heard tell people a littlebit about Sonny's Corner. What's the experience
that they would have when they listenedto the show. It is black conservatism.
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We stick to that. Every singletopic, every single week revolves around
something having to do with bringing conservatismto Black America. So each of every
premise, every idea, every principlethat we talk about can be equally applied
to any community. So it's notseparatists in nature, but it is specifically
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targeted towards the Black community because Ithink that there has been such neglect coming
from the right towards Black America thatit needs it needs focus, it needs
attention, it needs constant, constantnurturing. And you have all of these
groups that raise all of this moneytalking about doing and all black outreach,
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but they can't even consistently stay onone topic. So every single week,
you're gonna get something related to attachedto Black culture, to Black history,
to Black faith, or to Blackcommunities, and you're gonna get a chance
to hear from just regular black people. Right. So you know, everybody
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in our arena is always interested intitles and kind of what spot this person
is in or you know what I'msaying, who they are attached to,
And on Sunday's Corner, I makeit a lot more about simply what they
know, how they're able to handleconversation, the added knowledge they bring to
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a specific subject that I might notknow about, and I let them expouse
upon it. So especially when itcomes to black men. I have this
thing where everybody in our culture todaythey want to speak four black men on
behalf of black men in the nameof black men, but very few people
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want to let black men speak forthemselves. So it's a real big honor
and a very big part of whatI do on Sunny's Corner and just I'll
get into mic turning it over toblack men and letting them start the conversation
wherever they want, on any topicthey want, and we just chop it
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up from there. So it's beena real blessing to do that for the
last five years. We're talking withSonny Johnston, who is the host of
Sonny's Corner on Serious x M.Patriot Dante go ahead, So, Sonny,
I'm glad you brought that up becauseit was refreshing to find you on
Twitter the way I found you.And so if you could do just to
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start off, can you explain toour listeners what is black conservatism and how
you define it and how you preachit compared to what the normal person who
may not follow politics, or whomay and who may not be as familiar
with the culture, what they wouldConserdner what they would consider republicanism or conservatism
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that would come from different people dependingon that would be a different answer depending
on who you ask. Right,So, if you asked black progressive what
is a Black conservative, they wouldtell you, you know, from their
perspective of what they have been presented, they would say, you know,
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like the coon or the sellout orthe self hater. You know what I'm
saying, all them specific the UncleTom's, all them specific names that they
throw out towards a specific brand ofblack faces that are on the right.
And or if you were talking towhite conservatives and white Republicans, it'll kind
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of be the nineteen sixties revamp ofthe Republican Party where they kind of created
this ethos of conservatism based around Russia, low taxation, and American patriotism.
You know, did are what we'retalking about in terms of black conservatism,
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are those steadfast lessons that have beenpassed through Black America that is genuinely uniquely
specific to Black America, going throughFrederick Douglass, through Booker T. Washington,
through Carter Woodson all the way upthrough Malcolm X and what I believe
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we are currently seeing in a renaissanceas far as Black America, going back
towards that legacy conservatism that has withheldus so long the entire time we have
been in this country. So it'sjust basic principles of the If you put
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the three to the top three togetherprinciple wise, you would say that the
first is the idea of the individual. You want to make sure that you
are taking care of yourself first andforemost. You are taking care of your
own mental health, your own physicalhealth, your own economic health, your
own marriage, your own kids,your own household, your immediate family out
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that kind of that whole radius encompassesyour individual self, and you want to
make sure those things are taking careof first and foremost. As you start
to accomplish that and to become resolutein those areas, then you want to
become a steward in your community andyou go to the second part of conservatism,
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which is the republic, and thatmeans the government closest to the people
should have the most power over thepeople, and in gaps where you don't
one government interference, that people shouldstep up. So that is when we
become stewarts in our community. Webecome coaches, we become mentors and we
start to participate in the political process, especially at the local level, because
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most of the things that we complainabout in terms of items, especially in
Black America, that are systemically racist, are put into place at the local
level. So if you go fromthe individual to the local level, I
think we'll start seeing a lot moreeffectual change. And then eventually we'll get
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to that third level, which isthe Constitution, and we can start looking
at things that our federal government isdoing, the corruption that has kept coming
to America institutions, and maybe someof the abuses that have been you have
been wielded in the area of foreignpolicy. So, Sonny, let me
ask you what's been You've been doingthe show far years, you've been out
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in the public eye even longer thanthat. What's the response. What's the
typical response that you get from mainstreamtraditional conservatives when they are introduced to your
brand? Well, it's split becauseyou have there is a section of white
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Republicans, conservative grassroots that are veryinterested in our conversations. Right. If
that wasn't the case, then Iwouldn't still be here. Right, There
has to be some kind of audiencethat is receptive to hearing and to learning
and to absorbing different thoughts. Butfor the rank and file, and especially
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those that are in the leadership position, they wholeheartedly reject any kind of debate
towards the colorblind narrative that they havebeen pressed on for decades now that has
continuously called to lose the black voteby ninety percent for over sixty seventy eighty
years now. So they are notvery receptive to having a debate outside of
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their assigned parameters. And I havefound it an absolute joy to blow up
every single barrier that they put infront of me. So let's move a
little further down with that conversation aswell. I want to get your your
thoughts on this. You know Iget because I get into similar debate as
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well as you know. And therewas a person today on social media that
was like, going after the blackvote is a waste of time and all
this man, and my conversation tohim was simply, you know, you
do realize that you're running out ofvoters right like you've lost a big chunk
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of rich white of rich white suburbanites, a lot of them have become ideologically
progressive. You ain't getting them back. And if you try you're gonna alienate
white working class voters. You lose. The Republican Party loses every single minority
group in America today. Black's votefor Democrats, Becausepanic's vote for Democrats.
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Chewse vote for Democrats, even Asiansvote for Democrats. Yeah, they've improved
their numbers, they've improved the marginsamong the Hispanic vote, for example,
but they're still losing. So eventuallyyou're gonna run out of votes. So
to me, even putting aside thefact that if you actually believe in the
republic like you say you do,and if you're actually quote unquote America first
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like you say you are, thenthat should apply to all of Americans.
Putting that aside, putting the rightthing to do aside, Practically from a
political standpoint, you can't keep continuingto ignore whole groups of people because eventually
you're just gonna run out of voters. Your thoughts on that when it comes
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to the the black class I wouldcall, you know, kind of in
the social social media space, Itend not to worry about them because if
their advice is to not fight,then they're probably taking their own advice and
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we're not going to have to fightthem. They're not going to be of
any consequence. Right, They're notgoing to get up, they're not going
to activate, They're not you knowwhat I'm saying, Like, they're not
going to be competition to us.We can already see the defeatis attitude that
they carry. And even if theywere to try, with the level of
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intellectual intensity that they're putting into theirresponse, I don't think that they would
be very successful, you know whatI'm saying. So as far as those
people are concerned, I don't reallythink that we should have we should worry
about them. At a time,I focused on them because not so much
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because I cared about them, butit was more because I wanted white Conservatives
and Republicans to see what was beingsaid in their name right and for them
to be like, this is whyyou get called racists these responses, and
a lot of them would always comeback it or be like it doesn't happen,
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No one ever says that, oryou know, so it comes that
chance where we can show oh yeah, they they do say it, they
do you know, move that way. And as far as the establishment is
concerned and those people that are thatare in power, every single aspect of
every single thing that they do isa identity gain. The way that they
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measure get out the vote efforts,the way that they measure where they are
going to donate to certain races,what race, what certain races qualify for
them to try to be competitive in. All of those decisions are broken down
by identity politics into categories that theyhave on their on their information collection seet
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of sheets from all the data they'veraked over from all of the people that
are in their apparatus, right,so they they know they know this game
and they understand how this game isplayed. So what I think their point
in letting what happens on the grassrootscontinue to happen is that it stops black
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people of good character and conscious fromwanting to participate, because once you start
seeing some of the rhetoric that youknow, we have to deal with on
a regular basis, you start tobe like, why would I, why
would I even participate? Why wouldI even you know, mess with Republicans.
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So that is one of the reasonswhy I do the Thunderdome on Twitter
or on x every single Monday ateleven am. We have a space on
Twitter, and that's one of thethings I consistently point out in that space
is that, especially for people whoare new, who have not seen behind
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the system, that don't understand howit works, you are going to run
into these people. They are gonnasay some of the most obnoxious things.
You can't run away because you runinto them. You just have to be
like, Okay, yeah, Iknew I was going to run into you,
But I also again know that you'renot going to be active. I
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know you're not going to be intellectual. You're not going to be able to
debate me like you cannot beat me, So your presence isn't going to stop
me. So I think that themore of us that are honest about that
and are having that conversation with BlackAmerica as they start to kind of flirt
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with the idea of of dealing withconservatism on a political level, we are
doing not only a service to BlackAmericans by giving them that information, we
are also doing a service to ourcalls by being upfront so they're not walking
into things that surprise them. Rightright, I'm talking with Tondy Johnson,
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who is the host of Sunny's Corner, One serious ection ex and Patriot.
So now let's let's let's get tosome current stuff here in the middle of
this Republican presidential primary. Right now, Ron DeSantis drives me nuts. I'm
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just fla't say it. I have. I've been around politics since I was
in the sixth grade. I havedealt with Republicans. I've dealt with modern
Democrats on a local level all theway to the national level. I can't
remember another Republican presidential campaign, especiallyin the primary, but in general that
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was more intentionally antagonistic to black outreachthan the DeSantis campaign. It's almost like
that, like a lot of otherRepublicans will do the benign neglect, right,
like they'll ignore us and act likewe're not there. With the DeSantis
campaign, it seems like they goout of their way to antagonize black people.
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What has once it have been someof your observations on that campaign and
how they're moving. I I gotthere. I watched Romney campaign, so
I have I have a different Perspectivelee. You can go to make sure you
repult black people as much as possible. That that was a really good example,
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right, and you see that hehas no problem using his black faces
when he needs defense. So it'snot. Again, it's not that you
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don't see identity or you don't recognizeit or you don't understand it. You
see it, you recognize it,you understand it. But you are on
this political high running around talking aboutbeing anti woke and thinking that that's going
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to be your catapult into success,and it's just not working. And I'm
and I'm glad that that whole CoreyDangelist frame of thinking and looking at this
argument and simplifying it instead of havingreal rational conversations. I'm glad that that
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is not winning overall when it comesto getting support from the right, because
then that would make it feel like, Okay, we have a more daunting
task ahead of us. But Ifeel like as long as more people are
like, yeah, there's a differentway for us to do this, and
maybe it's more the bulldoggie way ofkind of doing it through Trump as opposed
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to doing it like the Santis isdoing it, And that gives me a
little bit of comfort as far aswhat we might be able to achieve as
long as the paradigm is being pushedin Trump direction and not towards the Santans.
Well, and you know, theinteresting thing, to me is it's
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been fascinating, Like the GOP iskind of in the middle of a civil
war at this point, and theside that you would expect to be antagonistic
to black folks generally speaking, it'sactually the opposite, you know, I
have seen it has been hilarious andjust incredible to see people in profile.
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They got profiles with the red macahats on and the whole thing, calling
team the status out for racism,and the very people that the average person
wouldn't think would say something like that, these dynamics have shifted so much.
And yeah, they shifted so much. I will trusted that. That's what
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it is. It shipped so much. I don't trust it like I understand
when you And this is one thingwe have to realize about Wagon Service Republicans.
They don't have a culture. Soanything that comes along that gives them
twenty seconds of feeling some kind ofcultural attachment to something, they latch onto
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it. It doesn't matter if it'sgood, if it's just, if it's
principled, if it sounds none ofthat actually matters. The only thing that
matters is they get that temporary hitof feeling like they are attached to something
cultural, right. We I wassitting there laughing about the Richmond North of
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rich Yeah right, and everybody,Oh, he's singing our songs from and
didn't turn around and find out,oh, no, he hates you.
Right. So you you know,anything that they had an ability to just
latch onto for that that that thatmomentary or feel good, they will And
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I know that. Give them fiveminutes and they'll be back to posting black
rage port you know what I'm saying. So I don't trust it at all.
This is just them doing the claimingscalp things they always do with no
work behind it. I will saythis though, I think that the Santas
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team did not expect the level ofpushback that they get when they do stuff
like this. No, I'm happy, And this is one of the things
that I've put as a operation atthe forefront, so to speak, in
everything that I do, is thatwe kind of have a coordinative voice when
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it comes to pushing back on issueslike this. And that doesn't mean that,
you know, we all dial oneeight hundred negro to see how to
respond, but we kind of allknow what's right, what's wrong, and
in those moments where we see thingsthat are obviously wrong that all of us
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should pounce, all of us shouldinsert our voice, all of us should
make sure we are heard. Andthe more that we start to do that,
and we started to see it workinga lot when June teenth that it
was actually working when it came outand they tried us with Juneteenth, they
tried us with lift every voice issing. It was like those moments were
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practice moments. And now we havekind of got into that mode that every
single time one of these things popup, all of us rush out to
make sure we're all talking about thesame topic. And I think that that's
a beautiful thing. And again that'llpush establishment Republicans into understanding that it's not
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gonna to be cheap, it's notgonna be easy, it's gonna come for
debate, and it's gonna come withprincipal policy or you you know what I'm
saying, You are going to havea real fight on your hands. This
isn't just one plantation to another.And if I could use their terminology right
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right, we're talking with Sonny Johnson, who was the host of Sonny's Corner
on serious extent patriot and as weget ready to wind down here a little
bit. I want to switch gearsbecause I know this was something we didn't
get a chance to talk talk aboutwhen I was on your show. But
you, like me, are afellow hip hop head, and I would
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be remiss if we didn't get intoa little bit of that conversation. So
of course I have to ask you, miss Johnson, what is your top
five? Oh, that's depending onmood. Like honestly, you know what
I'm saying. I'm in that mindsetof when we have to be comparative about
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our icons, and we always neglectthe fact that on a certain day,
my top five is completely different justdepending on what it is I want to
hear. You know what I'm saying. But I'll say, no matter what
order I put the other four in, my top one is still going to
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be j He's always going to bein my top spot. But the way
the other four change depending on mymood, depending whether I want to be
old school, depending on whether Iwant to listen to battle rap, depending
if I want freestyles, depending ifI want to go grimy, depending if
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I want fast spitting, you know, real real quick lyrics. So it
would all depend on the metric andthe move that I'm in at the moment.
What you know how my five wouldgo, But I know that Jay
would always be in there and wouldprobably always be number one. So I
got for me, Tupac is mynumber one. Tubac is my number one
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all time that are alive. Hehas the it's the most compatible to to
me. He has the perfect balanceof conscious and thug. So that is
that's my That's my numb So Igo, I look at it, and
I'm always I'm always I always lookback at it as being formative, like
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is this something that I can lookback and say, this is a specific
song that would that helped to shapewho I am today? And to me,
that's what you know, because Ifind music to be personal, So
that's what I would qualify as sopop and wonder why they call you bitch?
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That would have been a song thatwas integral to why I became who
I am and why I carried myselfthe way I carried myself. It was
always something that I would have inthe back of my mind and having that
realization that I need to be selfreflective and I need to make sure I
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understand how I am carrying myself becausehow I carry myself puts a perspective out
into the world about how the worldfeels like it should treat me back.
So you know what I'm saying,And I think when people don't think you
can get that kind of analysis fromhip hop, that's the part that pisses
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me off, because it's just likeany other art form. If you give
it its due diligence you can giveit. It becomes a perspective breakdown about
human nature and about life. Youknow. The unfortunate thing too, I
think, and this has gotten lostby the way that people view hip hop,
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the way that people treat hip hop, and in fairness with the way
that some of the music is today. But hip hop is like one of
the greatest American success stories of themodern era. There are few things in
American history that has created more blackmillionaires than hip hop, right, and
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it's unfortunate that we don't we don'thave that same level of conversation about that
success level. And look at theseentrepreneurs and success stories of capitalism. These
are people who come from the gutter, many of them, and rows up
to be, you know, oneof the top in their profession. And
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those I don't think we look atthem like that as a society. I
think society still looks at him,you know, as a bunch of hoods
and thugs and all of that,but understanding like this is something that has
created wealth for tons of people ata level that nothing as far as for
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black folks, at a level thatnothing other than maybe professional sports has even
come close to. Yeah, andwhen it, hip hop has outside of
what you just talked about in termsof capitalism, right, I'll add to
that perspective, because I think youlaid it out nicely a representation of it.
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But I'll also add to that tothe perspective of if it wasn't for
hip hop keeping the concept of capitalismat the forefront of the discussion, we
would already be a Marxist nation.Mm. We would already be a Marxist
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nation. Tell me another entity thathas kept the concept of making money at
the forefront of the American narrative.Republicans and Conservatives, they are supposed to
be the capitalist champions. Tell mewho you who you would call a capitalist
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champion amongst the Republican ranks, right, and we would look at, say,
okay, Donald Trump, and ifyou say, Donald Trump, then
that would make you start to understandwhy so many of these black men are
willing to support him, because itis that concept of capitalism, that concept
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of making money, that concept ofownership at understanding that that economic independence gets
you that real equity. And we'renot talking about the equity that the left
talks about, where they talk aboutequity of government. You're talking about NOE.
The kind of self propelled excellence youhave that allows you to walk in
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a building with your name on theside of it and make all the decisions
about how to get that train torun on time. You know what I'm
saying. That is the thing thatgives them a link and it is allowed,
and I think it's driving first generationwealth, especially black men, towards
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Donald Trump. And that is theconcept of capitalism. And again I said
this back in twenty fifteen that thatwas the pathway in and they should have
listened. And secondly, free speech. If it was not for hip hop,
how far down the rabbit hole ofthe destruction of free speech would we
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be. Because when the first wavecame, your first wave came, the
real first wave came against hip hop, and hip hop stood its ground.
It fought the culture, it foughtthe progressive machine, It fought the entire
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narrative that was uh that was createdand hurled at it and it won.
So it gave us more time aswe are now where we're looking at fighting
free speech when it comes to socialmedia and the government waging its power over
it. It gave us time toget to this point and we are still
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fighting. But we could learn alot from watching what hip hop did during
the late eighties or early nineties asfar as holding their ground on the concept
of free speech. Absolutely, andthat's a oh man, that's a great
conversation. We're gonna have to We'regonna have to expand on that a little
bit more on the next time.So Sunday, let everybody know how to
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The Thunderdome all that good stuff.All right, you can follow me on
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again we have fire conversation around thoseparts as well. So anytime you catch
me, I can promise you wechopping it up about something good. All
right, Sunny Johnson, thank youso much for coming on the show.
Appreciate it. I know you've beenout here fighting a good fight for a
long time, man, so Iwant to give you your flowers. So
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I appreciate you. Thank you somuch, and I appreciate having me.
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Cel conversations. We got the heat. Hell yeah, this is the Outlaws
Radio Show. Welcome back, walkingback. You're listening to the Outlaws one
more time. Want to send aspecial shout out to Tonny Johnson for coming
on the show. Really appreciate it. And now it is the time we
like call with row turned up up, infectation, the latest celebrity news and
(43:17):
gossipation. It's tea time with Roeon the Outlaws Radio Show. All right,
So I touched up on this storylast week, but you know,
like literally after we put the storyout, it's just more and more and
(43:37):
more stuff come pouring out. Aseverybody knows. If you are, you
know, a consistent listener and youpay attention. We were talking about p
Diddy. Now Diddy was accused ofdoing some things you know, with the
singer performer Cassie. They ended upagreeing upon a settlement probably within what twenty
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four to seventy two hours later aftershe had dropped the bomb with that.
But so that cleared and then probablywithin twenty four ish hours, like more
people started coming out and it's justkind of it started ruining things for him
(44:28):
basically. So now with that beingsaid, with you know, allegedly,
you know, with him being accusedof these things, but so now basically
Diddy is stepping down as chairman ofRevolt As the company released that statement,
and the following day, Capital PreparatoryCharter Schools also announced that they ended their
(44:55):
partnership with Ditty as well due toall of the these allegations. And I
don't know what this really says forhim. I don't know if that's like,
you know, if he's gonna becanceled or what what the case may
be. You know, this issome serious allegations to be accused of,
(45:16):
whether it may be true or not. I can say a lot of people
are have basically said, you know, him and R Kelly are gonna get
together and you know they're gonna makesome songs inside the cell together or whatnot
about they're gonna make some hits.Wow. Yeah. But so there is
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that. I do want to touchup on one more thing following that.
It's about also another I would believeYoung Thug is a rapper. Correct,
Yes, he's a rap well Imean kind of thing too, but yeah,
he's a rapper. I mean whathe tries to sing, he's a
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rapper. I can tell, well, can you tell? I don't.
I don't listen to his music.Oh, I don't listen to him either.
And you know, so as oflately, so he is currently going
through some things as well, andso recently I don't really know. It's
(46:22):
it's so much going on with that. But as of right now, so
the state is saying that when YoungThug said twenty four m on the head,
they're using his lyrics. I thinkwe've discussed this before about other artists
when it's being their lyrics are beingused against them. So they said,
quote unquote twenty four ms on aend's head. He he was talking about
(46:46):
putting a bounty slash hit on someone. But in reality, Young Thug was
talking about the twenty four million dollardiamond that Uzzi has in his forehead.
And there is a picture that actuallyhave right in front of me, like
he literally got a diamond put intohis forehead, and it is it is
(47:08):
bizarre. It's bizarre. I mean, but let me just say so along
with all of this, I wishthat I had everything pulled up, but
I do not. But if anybody'skeeping up on the story or wants to,
(47:29):
his attorney is a trip, Likeyou guys have to keep up on
this, like there is so manyHis attorney basically sounds like, well as
if my child was like they werepicking on each other, fighting each other,
and they come with some excuses likeno, this is what really happened,
or this is what that means.That's really what his attorney sounds like.
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And I can tell you that whoeverdates that man is in a world
of trouble because like his response isare quick and they'd be sounding kind of
right like but yeah, so hecleans up the act. So yeah,
that's that story is pretty wild tome. So I have I think we
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might have talked about this before.I have mixed feelings on this. On
the one hand, if you like, if you say, you know,
I shot this dude on Park Avenue, and you actually shot the dude on
Park Avenue, you're stupid, right, they used to go to jail.
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But if it's not as like blatantas that, if it's not as specific
as that, if it's if it'smore bragged, nocial or just you know,
a lot of rappers talk that guntalk or whatever. Like. I
don't like the idea of using rapperslyrics to convict them of crimes unless the
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lyrics specifically says the crime that theydid in the song. I think you,
I think there is a potential ofrunning into First Amendment freedom of speech
issues with that. Donte what areyour thoughts. I'm not a big fan
of it either, because you canmisconstrue anything, especially when you know what
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the person is talking about. So, you know, it seems to me
like the state doesn't have as greata case as maybe it was made out
to be. If this is whatthey're you know, what they're going with,
And I'm you know, I'm nota lawyer. I don't even play
one on TV, so I don'tknow to say that for sure, but
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it just doesn't seem like the caseis really that strong if this is you
know, if this is what you'regoing with to try and get a conviction,
because this is something that I meanjust if I were sitting on a
jury and somebody said, oh,some we're gonna use his poetry to convict
him or something like this, Imean I would be looking for more,
(50:05):
something a little bit harder in theway of evidence, right, approve that
this person is guilty beyond a reasonabledoubt, like that, if I were
on the jury, you having touse an art form, uh would give
me a reason, would give mereasonable doubt. I mean, do we
think I mean, we'd have painterswho were very dark throughout history, very
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dark throughout history. Do you knowif I see somebody painting something where it's
like this is very dark and drearyand it's a painting, do I think
that they're a murderer, you knowwhat I mean? Or do I think
that maybe they're they're just depressed,you know, or that maybe they're suicide.
I don't know, so I justyou know, it's something that doesn't
really feel great to me. ButI haven't followed this case too closely,
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so I don't know if that's allthat they have in the way of evidence.
I would assume that you would needmore, though, because that would
if I were on a jury,that would be something where I'm little I
would be a little skeptic. It'sa big part of their it's a big
part of their case. But itfeels like this trial, I mean,
it's hard to follow this traps itfeels like it's been going on forever.
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Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, no,
I'm just I think you get whenyou start using rappers lyrics and stuff like
that, like you're that's a dangerousgame you're playing right there, you know
what I'm saying, because anything couldbe misconstrued, and of course you're not
you're not trying to look at whateverthey said in the best possible life,
(51:38):
you know what I mean. So, so yeah, no, I'm not
a fan of that. All right, that's it, Miss mally d.
All Right, stay tuned. Wehave Dante's Hot Takes coming up next here
on the Outlaw Fuck Up True Say, welcome back, woome back. You're
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listening to the Outlaws. And nowwas the time of the show that we
liked to call Dante's hot takes,telling the truth. Whether you like it
or not, It's Dante's Hot Takeson the Outlaws radio show. So convicted
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murderer Derek Shavin, who was convictedand sentenced for the murder of George Floyd
in twenty twenty, which sparked nationaloutrage and protests. He was stabbed in
his uh in federal custody in hisfederal in federal prison twenty two times.
(52:51):
As far as I know, hedid live. He did not, He
did not succumb to his wounds anddied. But he was stabbed twenty two
times. Earlier today, it wassome reports going around social media that he
was may have been stabbed by agang, a former gang member who also
happened to be an FBI in formant. I don't know how much that is
(53:14):
true. What we know right nowis that he was stabbed twenty two times
and lived, And there's been alot of outrage about whether people should have
sympathy for him or whether he deservedit in a quote moral in like a
(53:35):
moral capacity. Right. I thinkpeople are thinking about this way too deeply.
Right, Was it a black guywho did it? To get revenged
for George Floyd? Was you knowwhat was this about? You know things
that I personally think people are thinkingway too deeply about this. Derek Charlvin
was a police officer in federal custody, in a federal prison. It was,
(54:01):
I mean, somebody was going totouch him, right, whether he
whether his case was high profile ornot. He is law enforcement that found
himself in prison. That's you know, I don't think we have to think
too deeply about why this happened oror you know, is this quote justice
(54:24):
for George Fault. I don't.I don't really. I think if he
would have been Joe Blow police officer, he would have probably got touched by
somebody. That's generally a lot oftimes what happens to police officers in prison.
So it's it's it's a it's notan easy time for them, I
would imagine, right, So Idon't, you know, I don't.
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I can't say that I don't.I can't say that I feel bad about
it. I just it's more it'ssomething to me that was kind of like,
I mean, sort of expected tohappen, right, you know,
child molesterers, pedophiles, police officershistorically are people that we've all heard don't
do well in prison. So youknow that that isn't something that I necessarily
(55:15):
think too deeply about. I willsay though, that I wonder, you
know, he isn't the best victimfor this, but I wonder if a
conversation, a larger conversation can behad about prisoner safety, because I think
(55:35):
violence in prisons is something that probablyshould be addressed again. I don't think
he's the I don't think he's thevictim that will make everybody say, all,
wow, you know we need tocome to some you know, compassionate
place for prisoners. But I dothink at some point we do need to
have that conversation, again, notnecessarily about him, but when you have
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people who are paying the debt tosociety, they do absolutely deserve to have
the right too to safety and andto not have to look over your shoulder,
not have to worry about when youget stabbed, when you get raped,
things like that. So I thinkthat that's a conversation that should come
(56:20):
at some point. But I don'tknow if he's going to be the if
he's necessarily the person that we're goingto have that conversation because of So that's
been the direction that I really kindof went with this conversation. I don't
I mean, I'm not gonna say, you know, man, I feel
bad, but you know, Idon't condone it. I'm not cheering it.
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I'm not ra Ryan. It isinteresting too that it's an it was
a former FBI informant that stabbed him, you know, It's there's some other
things that play in that situation.But I do think I do. I
do think this is an opportunity whypeople while people you are paying attention,
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I guess to pivot because it's like, oh, look at what happened.
And you're absolutely right. Nance firstof all, not only is that common
with with a police officer period oran ex police officer period, but you
know, prison violence happens a lot. It happens all the time, and
I do think it's an important conversationto have. I'm not I am I
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am usually depending on it. Imean, there are exceptions, but I
am usually less concerned with the vehiclethat provokes the conversation versus having the conversation
and steering the conversation in a productivedirection. But yeah, I mean it's
you have people on social media actinglike this is this is unprecedented. No,
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it's not. No, it's not. This happens every day. B
Yeah. And I do think froma policy perspective, it's worth having a
larger conversation on that, even ifthe topic at hand was brought up because
of what happened to that guy,last thoughts and let him know how to
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follow you sir. Yeah, Ijust yeah, don't people don't need to
think too deeply about this man.Whether it was somebody who cared about getting
back for George Floor, whether itwasn't. I mean, he the likelihood
was that it was going to bevery difficult for him to survive unscathed in
federal prison as former law enforcement.Right, it was just going to be
(58:37):
very difficult for him to do that. So it happened now. And you
know, like you said, catsget stabbed up every day in jailb Bryan
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We have a very special guest thatwe're gonna get to in just a little
bit. But first, miss O'Malley, how are you. I'm actually great.
I've been doing good. I thinkthe last few show it's not been
good, but uh yeah, I'veactually just been real great. And you
know what, Darbo, Actually,over the past few years, I'm like
(01:08):
bought humbug, you know, butthis year I'm like, oh, like
all Dolly and just like totally juststressing people out with Christmas music, and
I immediately started decorating like the secondI woke up the day after Thanksgiving.
So yeah, I wonder why.I wonder why, Dante, I wonder
why, But no, sir,don't start with me. I wonder why.
(01:36):
But I will say this. Youhad an old person moment before the
show started. Tell me what theirold person moment was. Listen. Okay,
So I was thrilled because I wasout shopping today and I went and
bought me a new vacuum. Okay, I I was so. I'm so
(02:00):
excited because it were so damn goodbecause I have a cat, you guys,
and I mean whether you have acat or dog whatever. And so
the first vacuum I had, theyfalse advertisement first and foremost talking about it
was for pets, Okay, forthe firs and only thing that my pets
fur does to the first vacuum isclogs it up, and I'll be getting
(02:23):
mad and cussing it out. SoI went and bought me another one,
and I love it. I'm soexcited. You know, fluffy clean carpet.
You know the funniest thing about itwas like perfect time because right before
we get the show, I waswatching local News and they were doing a
story about when the average person feelslike they're an adult, and it was
(02:43):
like when you're excited about getting householdap clients, listen, I don't lick
candles. I'm testing you, likeI will be happy. Lord, have
mercy, Lord, have mercy.God. How you doing so? I'm
doing good? Ohio State loss againin Michigan, so that you know,
(03:06):
that wasn't great. But outside ofthat, man, it was a it
was a solid Thanksgiving weekend. Goodfood, good people, and uh now
we get back to the regularly scheduledprogram, you know. Oh yeah,
that's right, that's right. Wegotta go around. How uh what did
you do for Thanksgiving? Dante?I stayed in, I went over my
(03:27):
godparents' house to uh yeah, Iwent over my godparents' house. They cooked.
But other than that, man,it was it was smooth, you
know, nothing, nothing crazy.It was small, really me and my
mom on Thanksgiving Day and then thenext day, I should say, we
went over to my godparents' house andspent some time with them. But other
than that, man, it wasjust you know, it's cool, simple
(03:50):
robbing would you get into. Camehome, pulled myself together and just did
my rounds to go see everybody.The family wasn't really all together this year
year, so I kind of wentfrom like place to place, and I
was very tired, but luckily didnot have to work the next day,
so well, well, yeah,yeah, of course you were tired.
(04:10):
You got forty seven siblings, soyou had a lot of houses. I
only went to no, no,no, no, we'll see because we'll
see. Two of my siblings verylived very far, so I did not
get to see them. Okay,yeah, so but I did go to
three places. So but it wasit was tiring, but it was it
was nicetig family, y'all. ThatI do not have my family, actually
(04:36):
not stop it. I don't.I really don't, you know, y'all.
But other than that, it wascool. You know, but how
was your Thanksgiving? So I wentto my aunt and it was real cool.
She's in she's in her eighties,so really like after my grandmother passed
(05:00):
and then you know, one ofmy other aunts passed, like this line
here has kind of been like asurrogate you know, grandmother on my mother's
side for me. So you know, it was real cool to get over
there and kick it me and mymother went over there and you know,
with kicking with her kids and grandkidsand you know, just eight of Thanksgiving
(05:20):
talk junk, you know what I'msaying, Like like like like big southern
Black families tend to do. Youknow what I'm saying, get around around
the table talking jump and I ain'tkicking it, man, and just enjoying
people's company. So I had agood time, had a good time,
really enjoyed it. This is myfavorite time of the year. Like I
(05:41):
love I love Thanksgiving. I lovethe Christmas season, Like I'm I'm for
all of that, the lights,everything, all of that, Like I'm
for it all. It's too coldhere you go. I mean, I
would say the two negatives about thistime time of year is probably the cold.
(06:02):
And then you know, then yougot to spend money, a lot
of money, right yeah. Soyou know what is so crazy, because,
like I just said, I've beenvery jolly right up until today,
I'm like, you know what,I'm suddenly not feeling it. I had
to spend money, and I meanit was only like just just touching just
(06:23):
the tip of the iceberg, justjust started shopping. So I haven't even
begun to spend as much. Youacted like a real Capricorn right now.
But you know what, Darveio.On top of that, my daughter turns
ten years old in sixteen days,so I also have that like literally right
(06:46):
before Christmas. Who you tell youknow we're we're both January babies. Our
birthdays are close to christ you know, I know, you know I understand
what my birthday is on January seventh. Like, so I'm closed. I
get it. Where you got thatChristmas in that birthday? Ye ain't no
joke. And sometimes it ain't funbecause you know, sometimes people be like,
(07:08):
here, here's a gift for Christmas. Yeah, so I've been trying
to like, Okay, don't youknow I gotta make sure I get her
gifts for this, but you knowI gotta make sure she got gifts for
that right now. Damn girl,Why you couldn't come into this world when
you were supposed to, Like youwere super impatient, Like you couldn't wait
till tax time? You know?All right, we have a very special
(07:35):
guest that we're gonna get to rightnow. We have a very special guest
on the show today. I'm sureI'm probably gonna get in a little bit
of good trouble with his sister.Tonight, she is the host of Sonny's
Corner on Sirius x SEM Sonny Johnson, Welcome, How you doing. I
(07:59):
am doing on well? And whatis wrong with a little good trouble.
That's right, that's right. Sobefore we tackle some of the issues going
on right now, some of thenews of the day, what I want
to do is for people who maynot know, who may not be aware,
(08:20):
just talk a little bit about yourorigin story, how you got involved
in politics, you know, justall that good stuff. I got into
politics totally by accident. I starteda blog, the Black Republicans at the
time, the Hip Hop Republicans,and their squad found me and kind of
(08:43):
pulled me into a matrix. Igot hooked in with Steve Bennett and started
working with Breitbart, and I've beenactive in politics ever since. I'm not
a big person on doing the originstory unless it's in context of a certain
topic that we that we discussed.You know, I'm much more interested to
(09:05):
talk about the mission than myself.I know, I know you are.
That's why I want to make surewe talked about you first, because I
do think it's important to make surethat you know, people hear that origin
story and then I can give yourflowers and all that good stuff. So
I know you don't like to talkabout you, but that's why we're gonna
talk about you, because you've beenYou've been out here doing the work.
You've been doing the work for along time. So you have a Sunny's
(09:28):
Corner. When did Sunny's Corner start? How long have you been doing it?
I think we're getting ready to startour fifth year Sunny's Corner. So
we just got renewed again, sowe'll still be on serious X and patriot
and I know that there's a lotof white Republicans and conservatives that hate that
fact, but yeah, we justgot picked up a renewed so this will
(09:50):
be our fifth year doing Sunny's Corner. Well, congratulations on your renewal.
That's that's a big deal. That'svery important for the culture. For people
who haven't heard tell people a littlebit about Sonny's Corner. What's the experience
that they would have when they listenedto the show. It is black conservatism.
(10:11):
We stick to that. Every singletopic, every single week revolves around
something having to do with bringing conservatismto Black America. So each of every
premise, every idea, every principlethat we talk about can be equally applied
to any community. So it's notseparatists in nature, but it is specifically
(10:39):
targeted towards the Black community because Ithink that there has been such neglect coming
from the right towards Black America thatit needs it needs focus, it needs
attention, it needs constant, constantnurturing. And you have all of these
groups that raise all of this moneytalking about doing and all black outreach,
(11:01):
but they can't even consistently stay onone topic. So every single week,
you're gonna get something related to attachedto Black culture, to Black history,
to Black faith, or to Blackcommunities, and you're gonna get a chance
to hear from just regular black people. Right. So you know, everybody
(11:24):
in our arena is always interested intitles and kind of what spot this person
is in or you know what I'msaying, who they are attached to,
And on Sunday's Corner, I makeit a lot more about simply what they
know, how they're able to handleconversation, the added knowledge they bring to
(11:50):
a specific subject that I might notknow about, and I let them expouse
upon it. So especially when itcomes to black men. I have this
thing where everybody in our culture todaythey want to speak four black men on
behalf of black men in the nameof black men, but very few people
(12:11):
want to let black men speak forthemselves. So it's a real big honor
and a very big part of whatI do on Sunny's Corner and just I'll
get into mic turning it over toblack men and letting them start the conversation
wherever they want, on any topicthey want, and we just chop it
(12:31):
up from there. So it's beena real blessing to do that for the
last five years. We're talking withSonny Johnston, who is the host of
Sonny's Corner on Serious x M.Patriot Dante go ahead, So, Sonny,
I'm glad you brought that up becauseit was refreshing to find you on
Twitter the way I found you.And so if you could do just to
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start off, can you explain toour listeners what is black conservatism and how
you define it and how you preachit compared to what the normal person who
may not follow politics, or whomay and who may not be as familiar
with the culture, what they wouldConserdner what they would consider republicanism or conservatism
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that would come from different people dependingon that would be a different answer depending
on who you ask. Right,So, if you asked black progressive what
is a Black conservative, they wouldtell you, you know, from their
perspective of what they have been presented, they would say, you know,
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like the coon or the sellout orthe self hater. You know what I'm
saying, all them specific the UncleTom's, all them specific names that they
throw out towards a specific brand ofblack faces that are on the right.
And or if you were talking towhite conservatives and white Republicans, it'll kind
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of be the nineteen sixties revamp ofthe Republican Party where they kind of created
this ethos of conservatism based around Russia, low taxation, and American patriotism.
You know, did are what we'retalking about in terms of black conservatism,
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are those steadfast lessons that have beenpassed through Black America that is genuinely uniquely
specific to Black America, going throughFrederick Douglass, through Booker T. Washington,
through Carter Woodson all the way upthrough Malcolm X and what I believe
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we are currently seeing in a renaissanceas far as Black America, going back
towards that legacy conservatism that has withheldus so long the entire time we have
been in this country. So it'sjust basic principles of the If you put
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the three to the top three togetherprinciple wise, you would say that the
first is the idea of the individual. You want to make sure that you
are taking care of yourself first andforemost. You are taking care of your
own mental health, your own physicalhealth, your own economic health, your
own marriage, your own kids,your own household, your immediate family out
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that kind of that whole radius encompassesyour individual self, and you want to
make sure those things are taking careof first and foremost. As you start
to accomplish that and to become resolutein those areas, then you want to
become a steward in your community andyou go to the second part of conservatism,
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which is the republic, and thatmeans the government closest to the people
should have the most power over thepeople, and in gaps where you don't
one government interference, that people shouldstep up. So that is when we
become stewarts in our community. Webecome coaches, we become mentors and we
start to participate in the political process, especially at the local level, because
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most of the things that we complainabout in terms of items, especially in
Black America, that are systemically racist, are put into place at the local
level. So if you go fromthe individual to the local level, I
think we'll start seeing a lot moreeffectual change. And then eventually we'll get
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to that third level, which isthe Constitution, and we can start looking
at things that our federal government isdoing, the corruption that has kept coming
to America institutions, and maybe someof the abuses that have been you have
been wielded in the area of foreignpolicy. So, Sonny, let me
ask you what's been You've been doingthe show far years, you've been out
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in the public eye even longer thanthat. What's the response. What's the
typical response that you get from mainstreamtraditional conservatives when they are introduced to your
brand? Well, it's split becauseyou have there is a section of white
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Republicans, conservative grassroots that are veryinterested in our conversations. Right. If
that wasn't the case, then Iwouldn't still be here. Right, There
has to be some kind of audiencethat is receptive to hearing and to learning
and to absorbing different thoughts. Butfor the rank and file, and especially
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those that are in the leadership position, they wholeheartedly reject any kind of debate
towards the colorblind narrative that they havebeen pressed on for decades now that has
continuously called to lose the black voteby ninety percent for over sixty seventy eighty
years now. So they are notvery receptive to having a debate outside of
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their assigned parameters. And I havefound it an absolute joy to blow up
every single barrier that they put infront of me. So let's move a
little further down with that conversation aswell. I want to get your your
thoughts on this. You know Iget because I get into similar debate as
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well as you know. And therewas a person today on social media that
was like, going after the blackvote is a waste of time and all
this man, and my conversation tohim was simply, you know, you
do realize that you're running out ofvoters right like you've lost a big chunk
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of rich white of rich white suburbanites, a lot of them have become ideologically
progressive. You ain't getting them back. And if you try you're gonna alienate
white working class voters. You lose. The Republican Party loses every single minority
group in America today. Black's votefor Democrats, Becausepanic's vote for Democrats.
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Chewse vote for Democrats, even Asiansvote for Democrats. Yeah, they've improved
their numbers, they've improved the marginsamong the Hispanic vote, for example,
but they're still losing. So eventuallyyou're gonna run out of votes. So
to me, even putting aside thefact that if you actually believe in the
republic like you say you do,and if you're actually quote unquote America first
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like you say you are, thenthat should apply to all of Americans.
Putting that aside, putting the rightthing to do aside, Practically from a
political standpoint, you can't keep continuingto ignore whole groups of people because eventually
you're just gonna run out of voters. Your thoughts on that when it comes
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to the the black class I wouldcall, you know, kind of in
the social social media space, Itend not to worry about them because if
their advice is to not fight,then they're probably taking their own advice and
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we're not going to have to fightthem. They're not going to be of
any consequence. Right, They're notgoing to get up, they're not going
to activate, They're not you knowwhat I'm saying, Like, they're not
going to be competition to us.We can already see the defeatis attitude that
they carry. And even if theywere to try, with the level of
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intellectual intensity that they're putting into theirresponse, I don't think that they would
be very successful, you know whatI'm saying. So as far as those
people are concerned, I don't reallythink that we should have we should worry
about them. At a time,I focused on them because not so much
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because I cared about them, butit was more because I wanted white Conservatives
and Republicans to see what was beingsaid in their name right and for them
to be like, this is whyyou get called racists these responses, and
a lot of them would always comeback it or be like it doesn't happen,
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No one ever says that, oryou know, so it comes that
chance where we can show oh yeah, they they do say it, they
do you know, move that way. And as far as the establishment is
concerned and those people that are thatare in power, every single aspect of
every single thing that they do isa identity gain. The way that they
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measure get out the vote efforts,the way that they measure where they are
going to donate to certain races,what race, what certain races qualify for
them to try to be competitive in. All of those decisions are broken down
by identity politics into categories that theyhave on their on their information collection seet
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of sheets from all the data they'veraked over from all of the people that
are in their apparatus, right,so they they know they know this game
and they understand how this game isplayed. So what I think their point
in letting what happens on the grassrootscontinue to happen is that it stops black
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people of good character and conscious fromwanting to participate, because once you start
seeing some of the rhetoric that youknow, we have to deal with on
a regular basis, you start tobe like, why would I, why
would I even participate? Why wouldI even you know, mess with Republicans.
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So that is one of the reasonswhy I do the Thunderdome on Twitter
or on x every single Monday ateleven am. We have a space on
Twitter, and that's one of thethings I consistently point out in that space
is that, especially for people whoare new, who have not seen behind
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the system, that don't understand howit works, you are going to run
into these people. They are gonnasay some of the most obnoxious things.
You can't run away because you runinto them. You just have to be
like, Okay, yeah, Iknew I was going to run into you,
But I also again know that you'renot going to be active. I
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know you're not going to be intellectual. You're not going to be able to
debate me like you cannot beat me, So your presence isn't going to stop
me. So I think that themore of us that are honest about that
and are having that conversation with BlackAmerica as they start to kind of flirt
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with the idea of of dealing withconservatism on a political level, we are
doing not only a service to BlackAmericans by giving them that information, we
are also doing a service to ourcalls by being upfront so they're not walking
into things that surprise them. Rightright, I'm talking with Tondy Johnson,
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who is the host of Sunny's Corner, One serious ection ex and Patriot.
So now let's let's let's get tosome current stuff here in the middle of
this Republican presidential primary. Right now, Ron DeSantis drives me nuts. I'm
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just fla't say it. I have. I've been around politics since I was
in the sixth grade. I havedealt with Republicans. I've dealt with modern
Democrats on a local level all theway to the national level. I can't
remember another Republican presidential campaign, especiallyin the primary, but in general that
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was more intentionally antagonistic to black outreachthan the DeSantis campaign. It's almost like
that, like a lot of otherRepublicans will do the benign neglect, right,
like they'll ignore us and act likewe're not there. With the DeSantis
campaign, it seems like they goout of their way to antagonize black people.
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What has once it have been someof your observations on that campaign and
how they're moving. I I gotthere. I watched Romney campaign, so
I have I have a different Perspectivelee. You can go to make sure you
repult black people as much as possible. That that was a really good example,
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right, and you see that hehas no problem using his black faces
when he needs defense. So it'snot. Again, it's not that you
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don't see identity or you don't recognizeit or you don't understand it. You
see it, you recognize it,you understand it. But you are on
this political high running around talking aboutbeing anti woke and thinking that that's going
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to be your catapult into success,and it's just not working. And I'm
and I'm glad that that whole CoreyDangelist frame of thinking and looking at this
argument and simplifying it instead of havingreal rational conversations. I'm glad that that
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is not winning overall when it comesto getting support from the right, because
then that would make it feel like, Okay, we have a more daunting
task ahead of us. But Ifeel like as long as more people are
like, yeah, there's a differentway for us to do this, and
maybe it's more the bulldoggie way ofkind of doing it through Trump as opposed
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to doing it like the Santis isdoing it, And that gives me a
little bit of comfort as far aswhat we might be able to achieve as
long as the paradigm is being pushedin Trump direction and not towards the Santans.
Well, and you know, theinteresting thing, to me is it's
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been fascinating, Like the GOP iskind of in the middle of a civil
war at this point, and theside that you would expect to be antagonistic
to black folks generally speaking, it'sactually the opposite, you know, I
have seen it has been hilarious andjust incredible to see people in profile.
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They got profiles with the red macahats on and the whole thing, calling
team the status out for racism,and the very people that the average person
wouldn't think would say something like that, these dynamics have shifted so much.
And yeah, they shifted so much. I will trusted that. That's what
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it is. It shipped so much. I don't trust it like I understand
when you And this is one thingwe have to realize about Wagon Service Republicans.
They don't have a culture. Soanything that comes along that gives them
twenty seconds of feeling some kind ofcultural attachment to something, they latch onto
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it. It doesn't matter if it'sgood, if it's just, if it's
principled, if it sounds none ofthat actually matters. The only thing that
matters is they get that temporary hitof feeling like they are attached to something
cultural, right. We I wassitting there laughing about the Richmond North of
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rich Yeah right, and everybody,Oh, he's singing our songs from and
didn't turn around and find out,oh, no, he hates you.
Right. So you you know,anything that they had an ability to just
latch onto for that that that thatmomentary or feel good, they will And
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I know that. Give them fiveminutes and they'll be back to posting black
rage port you know what I'm saying. So I don't trust it at all.
This is just them doing the claimingscalp things they always do with no
work behind it. I will saythis though, I think that the Santas
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team did not expect the level ofpushback that they get when they do stuff
like this. No, I'm happy, And this is one of the things
that I've put as a operation atthe forefront, so to speak, in
everything that I do, is thatwe kind of have a coordinative voice when
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it comes to pushing back on issueslike this. And that doesn't mean that,
you know, we all dial oneeight hundred negro to see how to
respond, but we kind of allknow what's right, what's wrong, and
in those moments where we see thingsthat are obviously wrong that all of us
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should pounce, all of us shouldinsert our voice, all of us should
make sure we are heard. Andthe more that we start to do that,
and we started to see it workinga lot when June teenth that it
was actually working when it came outand they tried us with Juneteenth, they
tried us with lift every voice issing. It was like those moments were
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practice moments. And now we havekind of got into that mode that every
single time one of these things popup, all of us rush out to
make sure we're all talking about thesame topic. And I think that that's
a beautiful thing. And again that'llpush establishment Republicans into understanding that it's not
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gonna to be cheap, it's notgonna be easy, it's gonna come for
debate, and it's gonna come withprincipal policy or you you know what I'm
saying, You are going to havea real fight on your hands. This
isn't just one plantation to another.And if I could use their terminology right
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right, we're talking with Sonny Johnson, who was the host of Sonny's Corner
on serious extent patriot and as weget ready to wind down here a little
bit. I want to switch gearsbecause I know this was something we didn't
get a chance to talk talk aboutwhen I was on your show. But
you, like me, are afellow hip hop head, and I would
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be remiss if we didn't get intoa little bit of that conversation. So
of course I have to ask you, miss Johnson, what is your top
five? Oh, that's depending onmood. Like honestly, you know what
I'm saying. I'm in that mindsetof when we have to be comparative about
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our icons, and we always neglectthe fact that on a certain day,
my top five is completely different justdepending on what it is I want to
hear. You know what I'm saying. But I'll say, no matter what
order I put the other four in, my top one is still going to
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be j He's always going to bein my top spot. But the way
the other four change depending on mymood, depending whether I want to be
old school, depending on whether Iwant to listen to battle rap, depending
if I want freestyles, depending ifI want to go grimy, depending if
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I want fast spitting, you know, real real quick lyrics. So it
would all depend on the metric andthe move that I'm in at the moment.
What you know how my five wouldgo, But I know that Jay
would always be in there and wouldprobably always be number one. So I
got for me, Tupac is mynumber one. Tubac is my number one
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all time that are alive. Hehas the it's the most compatible to to
me. He has the perfect balanceof conscious and thug. So that is
that's my That's my numb So Igo, I look at it, and
I'm always I'm always I always lookback at it as being formative, like
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is this something that I can lookback and say, this is a specific
song that would that helped to shapewho I am today? And to me,
that's what you know, because Ifind music to be personal, So
that's what I would qualify as sopop and wonder why they call you bitch?
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That would have been a song thatwas integral to why I became who
I am and why I carried myselfthe way I carried myself. It was
always something that I would have inthe back of my mind and having that
realization that I need to be selfreflective and I need to make sure I
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understand how I am carrying myself becausehow I carry myself puts a perspective out
into the world about how the worldfeels like it should treat me back.
So you know what I'm saying,And I think when people don't think you
can get that kind of analysis fromhip hop, that's the part that pisses
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me off, because it's just likeany other art form. If you give
it its due diligence you can giveit. It becomes a perspective breakdown about
human nature and about life. Youknow. The unfortunate thing too, I
think, and this has gotten lostby the way that people view hip hop,
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the way that people treat hip hop, and in fairness with the way
that some of the music is today. But hip hop is like one of
the greatest American success stories of themodern era. There are few things in
American history that has created more blackmillionaires than hip hop, right, and
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it's unfortunate that we don't we don'thave that same level of conversation about that
success level. And look at theseentrepreneurs and success stories of capitalism. These
are people who come from the gutter, many of them, and rows up
to be, you know, oneof the top in their profession. And
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those I don't think we look atthem like that as a society. I
think society still looks at him,you know, as a bunch of hoods
and thugs and all of that,but understanding like this is something that has
created wealth for tons of people ata level that nothing as far as for
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black folks, at a level thatnothing other than maybe professional sports has even
come close to. Yeah, andwhen it, hip hop has outside of
what you just talked about in termsof capitalism, right, I'll add to
that perspective, because I think youlaid it out nicely a representation of it.
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But I'll also add to that tothe perspective of if it wasn't for
hip hop keeping the concept of capitalismat the forefront of the discussion, we
would already be a Marxist nation.Mm. We would already be a Marxist
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nation. Tell me another entity thathas kept the concept of making money at
the forefront of the American narrative.Republicans and Conservatives, they are supposed to
be the capitalist champions. Tell mewho you who you would call a capitalist
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champion amongst the Republican ranks, right, and we would look at, say,
okay, Donald Trump, and ifyou say, Donald Trump, then
that would make you start to understandwhy so many of these black men are
willing to support him, because itis that concept of capitalism, that concept
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of making money, that concept ofownership at understanding that that economic independence gets
you that real equity. And we'renot talking about the equity that the left
talks about, where they talk aboutequity of government. You're talking about NOE.
The kind of self propelled excellence youhave that allows you to walk in
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a building with your name on theside of it and make all the decisions
about how to get that train torun on time. You know what I'm
saying. That is the thing thatgives them a link and it is allowed,
and I think it's driving first generationwealth, especially black men, towards
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Donald Trump. And that is theconcept of capitalism. And again I said
this back in twenty fifteen that thatwas the pathway in and they should have
listened. And secondly, free speech. If it was not for hip hop,
how far down the rabbit hole ofthe destruction of free speech would we
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be. Because when the first wavecame, your first wave came, the
real first wave came against hip hop, and hip hop stood its ground.
It fought the culture, it foughtthe progressive machine, It fought the entire
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narrative that was uh that was createdand hurled at it and it won.
So it gave us more time aswe are now where we're looking at fighting
free speech when it comes to socialmedia and the government waging its power over
it. It gave us time toget to this point and we are still
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fighting. But we could learn alot from watching what hip hop did during
the late eighties or early nineties asfar as holding their ground on the concept
of free speech. Absolutely, andthat's a oh man, that's a great
conversation. We're gonna have to We'regonna have to expand on that a little
bit more on the next time.So Sunday, let everybody know how to
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follow you on social media. Plugagain when they can listen to your show
The Thunderdome all that good stuff.All right, you can follow me on
X which is basically that's my goalto social media at Sonny Johnson, S
O, N and I E.Every single Monday on X eleven am Eastern,
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we have the Thunderdome. It's fireconversation in the space. Come and
chop it up with me. Wedo take a lot of people up to
join the discussion, so it's realfire conversation. And then every single Saturday
on Sirius XM. Patriot you cancatch Sunny's Corner at one pm Eastern and
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again we have fire conversation around thoseparts as well. So anytime you catch
me, I can promise you wechopping it up about something good. All
right, Sunny Johnson, thank youso much for coming on the show.
Appreciate it. I know you've beenout here fighting a good fight for a
long time, man, so Iwant to give you your flowers. So
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I appreciate you. Thank you somuch, and I appreciate having me.
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Cel conversations. We got the heat. Hell yeah, this is the Outlaws
Radio Show. Welcome back, walkingback. You're listening to the Outlaws one
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on the show. Really appreciate it. And now it is the time we
like call with row turned up up, infectation, the latest celebrity news and
(43:17):
gossipation. It's tea time with Roeon the Outlaws Radio Show. All right,
So I touched up on this storylast week, but you know,
like literally after we put the storyout, it's just more and more and
(43:37):
more stuff come pouring out. Aseverybody knows. If you are, you
know, a consistent listener and youpay attention. We were talking about p
Diddy. Now Diddy was accused ofdoing some things you know, with the
singer performer Cassie. They ended upagreeing upon a settlement probably within what twenty
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four to seventy two hours later aftershe had dropped the bomb with that.
But so that cleared and then probablywithin twenty four ish hours, like more
people started coming out and it's justkind of it started ruining things for him
(44:28):
basically. So now with that beingsaid, with you know, allegedly,
you know, with him being accusedof these things, but so now basically
Diddy is stepping down as chairman ofRevolt As the company released that statement,
and the following day, Capital PreparatoryCharter Schools also announced that they ended their
(44:55):
partnership with Ditty as well due toall of the these allegations. And I
don't know what this really says forhim. I don't know if that's like,
you know, if he's gonna becanceled or what what the case may
be. You know, this issome serious allegations to be accused of,
(45:16):
whether it may be true or not. I can say a lot of people
are have basically said, you know, him and R Kelly are gonna get
together and you know they're gonna makesome songs inside the cell together or whatnot
about they're gonna make some hits.Wow. Yeah. But so there is
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that. I do want to touchup on one more thing following that.
It's about also another I would believeYoung Thug is a rapper. Correct,
Yes, he's a rap well Imean kind of thing too, but yeah,
he's a rapper. I mean whathe tries to sing, he's a
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rapper. I can tell, well, can you tell? I don't.
I don't listen to his music.Oh, I don't listen to him either.
And you know, so as oflately, so he is currently going
through some things as well, andso recently I don't really know. It's
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it's so much going on with that. But as of right now, so
the state is saying that when YoungThug said twenty four m on the head,
they're using his lyrics. I thinkwe've discussed this before about other artists
when it's being their lyrics are beingused against them. So they said,
quote unquote twenty four ms on aend's head. He he was talking about
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putting a bounty slash hit on someone. But in reality, Young Thug was
talking about the twenty four million dollardiamond that Uzzi has in his forehead.
And there is a picture that actuallyhave right in front of me, like
he literally got a diamond put intohis forehead, and it is it is
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bizarre. It's bizarre. I mean, but let me just say so along
with all of this, I wishthat I had everything pulled up, but
I do not. But if anybody'skeeping up on the story or wants to,
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his attorney is a trip, Likeyou guys have to keep up on
this, like there is so manyHis attorney basically sounds like, well as
if my child was like they werepicking on each other, fighting each other,
and they come with some excuses likeno, this is what really happened,
or this is what that means.That's really what his attorney sounds like.
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And I can tell you that whoeverdates that man is in a world
of trouble because like his response isare quick and they'd be sounding kind of
right like but yeah, so hecleans up the act. So yeah,
that's that story is pretty wild tome. So I have I think we
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might have talked about this before.I have mixed feelings on this. On
the one hand, if you like, if you say, you know,
I shot this dude on Park Avenue, and you actually shot the dude on
Park Avenue, you're stupid, right, they used to go to jail.
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But if it's not as like blatantas that, if it's not as specific
as that, if it's if it'smore bragged, nocial or just you know,
a lot of rappers talk that guntalk or whatever. Like. I
don't like the idea of using rapperslyrics to convict them of crimes unless the
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lyrics specifically says the crime that theydid in the song. I think you,
I think there is a potential ofrunning into First Amendment freedom of speech
issues with that. Donte what areyour thoughts. I'm not a big fan
of it either, because you canmisconstrue anything, especially when you know what
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the person is talking about. So, you know, it seems to me
like the state doesn't have as greata case as maybe it was made out
to be. If this is whatthey're you know, what they're going with,
And I'm you know, I'm nota lawyer. I don't even play
one on TV, so I don'tknow to say that for sure, but
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it just doesn't seem like the caseis really that strong if this is you
know, if this is what you'regoing with to try and get a conviction,
because this is something that I meanjust if I were sitting on a
jury and somebody said, oh,some we're gonna use his poetry to convict
him or something like this, Imean I would be looking for more,
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something a little bit harder in theway of evidence, right, approve that
this person is guilty beyond a reasonabledoubt, like that, if I were
on the jury, you having touse an art form, uh would give
me a reason, would give mereasonable doubt. I mean, do we
think I mean, we'd have painterswho were very dark throughout history, very
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dark throughout history. Do you knowif I see somebody painting something where it's
like this is very dark and drearyand it's a painting, do I think
that they're a murderer, you knowwhat I mean? Or do I think
that maybe they're they're just depressed,you know, or that maybe they're suicide.
I don't know, so I justyou know, it's something that doesn't
really feel great to me. ButI haven't followed this case too closely,
(50:53):
so I don't know if that's allthat they have in the way of evidence.
I would assume that you would needmore, though, because that would
if I were on a jury,that would be something where I'm little I
would be a little skeptic. It'sa big part of their it's a big
part of their case. But itfeels like this trial, I mean,
it's hard to follow this traps itfeels like it's been going on forever.
(51:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, no,
I'm just I think you get whenyou start using rappers lyrics and stuff like
that, like you're that's a dangerousgame you're playing right there, you know
what I'm saying, because anything couldbe misconstrued, and of course you're not
you're not trying to look at whateverthey said in the best possible life,
(51:38):
you know what I mean. So, so yeah, no, I'm not
a fan of that. All right, that's it, Miss mally d.
All Right, stay tuned. Wehave Dante's Hot Takes coming up next here
on the Outlaw Fuck Up True Say, welcome back, woome back. You're
(52:07):
listening to the Outlaws. And nowwas the time of the show that we
liked to call Dante's hot takes,telling the truth. Whether you like it
or not, It's Dante's Hot Takeson the Outlaws radio show. So convicted
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murderer Derek Shavin, who was convictedand sentenced for the murder of George Floyd
in twenty twenty, which sparked nationaloutrage and protests. He was stabbed in
his uh in federal custody in hisfederal in federal prison twenty two times.
(52:51):
As far as I know, hedid live. He did not, He
did not succumb to his wounds anddied. But he was stabbed twenty two
times. Earlier today, it wassome reports going around social media that he
was may have been stabbed by agang, a former gang member who also
happened to be an FBI in formant. I don't know how much that is
(53:14):
true. What we know right nowis that he was stabbed twenty two times
and lived, And there's been alot of outrage about whether people should have
sympathy for him or whether he deservedit in a quote moral in like a
(53:35):
moral capacity. Right. I thinkpeople are thinking about this way too deeply.
Right, Was it a black guywho did it? To get revenged
for George Floyd? Was you knowwhat was this about? You know things
that I personally think people are thinkingway too deeply about this. Derek Charlvin
was a police officer in federal custody, in a federal prison. It was,
(54:01):
I mean, somebody was going totouch him, right, whether he
whether his case was high profile ornot. He is law enforcement that found
himself in prison. That's you know, I don't think we have to think
too deeply about why this happened oror you know, is this quote justice
(54:24):
for George Fault. I don't.I don't really. I think if he
would have been Joe Blow police officer, he would have probably got touched by
somebody. That's generally a lot oftimes what happens to police officers in prison.
So it's it's it's a it's notan easy time for them, I
would imagine, right, So Idon't, you know, I don't.
(54:49):
I can't say that I don't.I can't say that I feel bad about
it. I just it's more it'ssomething to me that was kind of like,
I mean, sort of expected tohappen, right, you know,
child molesterers, pedophiles, police officershistorically are people that we've all heard don't
do well in prison. So youknow that that isn't something that I necessarily
(55:15):
think too deeply about. I willsay though, that I wonder, you
know, he isn't the best victimfor this, but I wonder if a
conversation, a larger conversation can behad about prisoner safety, because I think
(55:35):
violence in prisons is something that probablyshould be addressed again. I don't think
he's the I don't think he's thevictim that will make everybody say, all,
wow, you know we need tocome to some you know, compassionate
place for prisoners. But I dothink at some point we do need to
have that conversation, again, notnecessarily about him, but when you have
(55:58):
people who are paying the debt tosociety, they do absolutely deserve to have
the right too to safety and andto not have to look over your shoulder,
not have to worry about when youget stabbed, when you get raped,
things like that. So I thinkthat that's a conversation that should come
(56:20):
at some point. But I don'tknow if he's going to be the if
he's necessarily the person that we're goingto have that conversation because of So that's
been the direction that I really kindof went with this conversation. I don't
I mean, I'm not gonna say, you know, man, I feel
bad, but you know, Idon't condone it. I'm not cheering it.
(56:42):
I'm not ra Ryan. It isinteresting too that it's an it was
a former FBI informant that stabbed him, you know, It's there's some other
things that play in that situation.But I do think I do. I
do think this is an opportunity whypeople while people you are paying attention,
(57:06):
I guess to pivot because it's like, oh, look at what happened.
And you're absolutely right. Nance firstof all, not only is that common
with with a police officer period oran ex police officer period, but you
know, prison violence happens a lot. It happens all the time, and
I do think it's an important conversationto have. I'm not I am I
(57:29):
am usually depending on it. Imean, there are exceptions, but I
am usually less concerned with the vehiclethat provokes the conversation versus having the conversation
and steering the conversation in a productivedirection. But yeah, I mean it's
you have people on social media actinglike this is this is unprecedented. No,
(57:52):
it's not. No, it's not. This happens every day. B
Yeah. And I do think froma policy perspective, it's worth having a
larger conversation on that, even ifthe topic at hand was brought up because
of what happened to that guy,last thoughts and let him know how to
(58:15):
follow you sir. Yeah, Ijust yeah, don't people don't need to
think too deeply about this man.Whether it was somebody who cared about getting
back for George Floor, whether itwasn't. I mean, he the likelihood
was that it was going to bevery difficult for him to survive unscathed in
federal prison as former law enforcement.Right, it was just going to be
(58:37):
very difficult for him to do that. So it happened now. And you
know, like you said, catsget stabbed up every day in jailb Bryan
for shaving, So deluct the nextwhatever amount of time you got. Follow
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I N. Once again, thankyou to Tony Johnson for coming on the
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show. We really appreciate it.We are out of here. We'll see
you next time. H. Thishas been a presentation of the FCB podcast
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