Cleveland Councilman Richard Starr joins the show and addresses Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb hiring Phillip McHugh as a safety advisor. McHugh was accused of violating the civil rights of an elderly Black couple when he was a detective in Washington DC.
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and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio.Uh. We have a special interview today
with Cleveland City Councilman Richard Starr.He is addressing something that has been in
the news he's spoken out about publicly, and that is the hiring of Philip
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McHugh in the city's safety department asa safety advisor I believe is his official
title. He is someone who isaccused of violating an elderly black couple's civil
rights when he was a police detectivein Washington, d C. And there's
been a fight between members of counciland the mayor. The mayor hired Mayor
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Justin Bibb hired this guy and continuesto double down on keeping him in that
position, and the members of council, including Councilman Star, are very unhappy
and upset about that and are addressingit in the ways that are available to
them. So we're going to getinto the interview with Councilman Richard Starr right
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now. All right, we havea very special guest on the show today.
He is Cleveland City Counselman Richard Star. Welcome to the program. How
you doing? Sorry, Hey,are you doing? Brother? Pretty good?
I'm having a great day. Justtime, all right, all right,
So, man, there's there's beena lot of controversy around a particular
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hire that the mayor of Cleveland hasmade. And before we get kind of
to your your response and your feelingsabout it, let's start from the beginning.
Who is who is Philip McK whatposition has he been hired for,
and what allegedly did he do inWashington, d C. In his previous
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job. Thank you, Thank youfor a first for this interview in his
time to just have a discussion.I really take the context that sometimes people
in our community are not receiving thecorrect information on a lot of things or
are they just not aware of whatis going on when it comes to government,
So the mayor administration has the rightand right now based on the way
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charter and policy is written, tohire whoever they want. Clela City Council
do not hire fire or do anydeployment or anything like that, or enforce
anything. We are the legilative body. But within that the context that break
it down to local government. Standpointfor someone to understand Clelic City Council is
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the border government, I mean theBorder directors. As the Border directors,
we have oversight. And with thatbeing said, is whether we have the
policy in place or not. Wedo control how things are done. Positions
are created, we have to approvethose positions. Money is needed, we
have to approve those things. Ninetyfive percent of the things that the mayor
wants to do has to come tothe legilative body and that's council. So
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the whole context of a Philip mceew, he was a guy who once applied.
Before he applied for a job,he first was a roommate college roommate
of mayor bid So that means theyhave some type of formal relationship and I
believe Mayor bed wanted to bring himon to work here in some type of
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capacity around safety. From the timehe was hired in December up until now,
he had three different titles, sohe's had up and down on all
these different positions. So one dayat a safety committee meeting, I was
looking around noticing a guy like yod. I think this is the second safety
committee meet and I've noticed this individual. So I got up and proceeded to
ask some of my colleagues on theSafety committee to figure out, like who
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is So when I finally got hisname, one counsel order said Philip one
Saint McHugh, and then they weretrying to connect. Once I got everything,
I sat down at my surface duringcommittee and I did a Google search.
And when I did a Google search, I found a video at the
top of the search, a videoof a senior elder couple around in their
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seventies and they were telling a storyabout how their civil rights were violated by
Detective Philip McHugh and how he ledan initiative to to harass the this couple.
And when you look at the case, it all stems from a fenderbender
accident and you look at this couple. They were in their beings and they
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were just having having a nice timeout and through that fenderbender altercation, Miss
Sharad was in her car and shewas flagging a lady off like, well
soit you ain'tna basically give me yourinformation or doing what you need to do,
go ahead and just get out ofmy face. One of those get
keep keep moving type of thing.And as you know, this lady then
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decided to call the police and makea false allegation that said miss Charad was
waving a gun at her and thedetective that was as signs of the case
was Philim mceu. Now someone callsa detective and said, as somebody was
possibly doing some type of activity witha gun with them, and the detective
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automatically just jumped and believed whatever thislady was saying. I believe her name
was Sarah, I forgot what heractual name is. But the lady said
this made these false allegations, andPhilip mcee as a detective, took it
and ran with it. And thethings that he did within that case,
he shows his lack of integrity,lack of respect, and not even just
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the truth He immediately got in contactwith Michel Rod and let her know that
some allegation has been brought up andsomebody was saying that she had a gun,
and she said, no, that'sa lie. She said, out
on our own a gun, neverhad a gun. That is not me.
Philip mcee then then decides to runon mische Rod and her husband through
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the federal database, state database tosee if they ever purchased a gun.
And what you found out was they'venever owned a gun. Mister or Misscharad
never own a gun. They're notgun carriers. That's not them. Next
he puts in a request to saythat they were involved in a possible colonials
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assort with a weapon, and thenhad every from the state to the local
patrol looking for a Mischarid a car. Now the context of understanding this is
it took the state and the federalgovernment six weeks to pull over Misscharad.
Module elderly couple. I mean mostelderly couples are not out in their cars
driving every day often as most asother individuals there. You know, you
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may be retired, you probably goto the store, go to a couple
places, but not out owning yourcar. So it took the police six
times, I mean six weeks forlaw enforcement to pull them over. But
when law enforcement pulled her over,Deschrode family over, Philip mcewe gets the
call and receives the call that theyfound a car. And now he gets
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that call for him to be ableto I'm to the scene and search the
car. There were the context ofwhat was happening. They then put on
an elderly couple in handcuffs, sittingthem to the sidewalk, and for an
hour search the car. So theythink of the mental tactics that is going
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on. You gotta ground, yougot, you got an elder couple like
I don't I have a gun.There's not a gun. I've told you
this before. Why are y'all pullingme over? Why are you still searching
my car? Why am I sittinghere? Why are we in handcuffs?
Why do are we being detained forsomething that is completely false? For phili
m you don't want to hear thathe believed in his heart because someone called
them and said this allegation that hadgotta be true. Don't find a gun.
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Next thing, you know, Philmceu tries to get them to then
come downtown and to the to thepolice Court district to make to make a
conversation and a statement. Miss mceute, I mean miss mister Rod. She
didn't believe them, she didn't trusthim, and she's like, I'm not
going anywhere. Next thing, youknow, after the car is topped,
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Philip mce's then goes and submit fora house search warrant. Now you knock
at an elderly couple house with thepolice, and if anybody understands, when
the police comes to your house anddo a search warrant, they don't pick
up things and put them back inplace. They tear up stuff, They
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slam TVs, knock things over,pull things out your drawers, and just
leave your house like they were lookingfor something. And guess what, And
as they did that search warrant,yet again you don't find no going that
that right there, you said youstopped them. You get a call saying
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that they possibly have a gun andwould pointing a gun at somebody. Don't
find no truth to that. Thenrun the name through database, find out
they don't own a gun, neverhad. This couple never own a gun.
Then you do a flag the carto be stopped because there was might
have been evolved in some type ofgun case. Still don't find a gun.
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Then you do a search of theirhome, still don't find a gun,
and then you're do an arrest warrantout for missch Rod. Now look
at the context of this. MisterSharrod is a legally blind man. He
can't even do much to help hiswife in each one of these cases.
In the car situation when the firstinitially happened, then when they get pulled
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over, then they're in their housedoing the search work. Now you're gonna
Now you're gonna come and arrest mywife and say she needs to turn herself
in so so so so mister Rod, with her pastor at fixing the warning,
goes to turn herself in prison andin her Sunday's best clothes. So
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philim me cue. You still don'tgot no evidence against this women, nothing
that pointed, nothing that nothing showsanything in her background for you to be
doing this. Then when you getto a grand jury, grand jury told
them like, no, you you'recompletely wrong. So now you're trying to
reverse it and not not saying youwasn't leading it. So Philip mcew violated
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somebody's civil rights. A DC lawsuitwas filed against the police force as well,
I'm mque in which they pay asix figure settlement to the Sharra family.
Now this is not a family thatyou think like, oh, this
is a cash grab. You know, they was driving the bands. They
were driving the bands, and youlook at the house. They they've done
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well for themselves. And for themto be living in DC, to be
deinged and treated with their violation oftheir civil rights being taken away from them
and being treated like that for eightmonths by a detective shows that the intechnertary
that McK ass is not the goodintegrity that is needed for the city of
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Cleveland. So as that happened,Phila mce then becomes put in a situation
where he wanted to come to Cleveland. He has a relationship with Mayor Justin
Bibb, stemming from his days asa college roommate and as a college roommate
to Mayor bib The relationship keeping tact. My college roommate from bought and Wallace,
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Dan Turner. I talked to him, I talked to him Mary Day,
I talked to him often. It'swell, but your roommate then applies
for a position in July for himto work in public Safty didn't receive that
position as a regular applicant, hedidn't receive it. So next step he
decides to have communication obviously with themayor and Chief Radford Davey, as well
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as Director Cole of Human Resources,and he starts to write his own job
sture and create a job a positionthat wasn't funded in the budget, and
then have the Public Safety go outand do a post in and do an
interview, and then he gets selectedfor the job. He didn't go through
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the same protocols as everyone else.He didn't have a thorough background check.
He wasn't vetted like they do anyother police. Because if he was vetted
the same way as everyone else thecivil rights case, what it came up
his background of other times where hewas in trouble for pursuing a car without
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having authority, a high speed chasewithout authority. So he's showing that he
has some rough rider, like hejust a night rider, similar to some
things that you would not want tosee in Cleveland. After we've done with
Silver, after we have dealt withcivil rights violations, after we have dealt
with police brutality in our city,We've dealt with violence involving police and pedestrians
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and citizens in the city of Cleveland. To now having somebody who has those
type of tactics in their background andhave shown that this is who they are,
to now having a job created thathe created himself. That is a
senior level position and it's not beingvetted just as as any other senior level
position would or as any other positionwas because of the relationship he has with
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the mayor. Is nothing but nepotism. It is disrespectful to all of the
residents in Cleveland, especially especially thecity workers that are in law enforcement.
Imagine how that go if you totry to work their way up all your
life and then you don't even getafforded the opportunity for a position, and
you may have the experience, butyou ain't got that in much experience.
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He has done nothing. His backgroundhas shown that he's going to be the
one to do all type of anything. And he don't believe in facts.
He just pushed whatever narrative that hebelieves. And on top of that,
when everything came about and Director Howard, who was to the director of safety,
He asked m because he was toldthat he didn't have to go all
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through all this extra checking and vettingfor him. The guyard he actually didn't
have anything in his background, andhe said no, So you lied to
you lied to the director, andyou've created a position that was not that
was picked for you. And thentrying to say, well, I didn't
think I was gonna get it,Well, why did you create a job
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if you don't think you don't getit? It's like, where do they
do this at? Where is thisprivilege now? To be honest about justice?
And I never seen nobody that lookedlike me get this type of opportunity
just because just because who I knowthat is That is not cool, That's
not right. MCE should not bein our city working in no type of
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leadership capacity. He has not shownany type of grace. And he's around
line and pastors and saying that lineof pastors line to editor borderclean dot com
line to other council members, statingthat the prosecutor Madeheim continue to pursue this
case. He told him that itwasn't it wasn't, it wasn't true,
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and things could have been more worseif he if he was, wasn't telling
them to stop? Everyone know,when you look at the deposition, it
showed everything was laid. I feela mceue. It was written, I
feel a mceue. So what yousaid then and now what you're saying now,
it's contradiction. The conclusion of ourinterview with the council and Richard Starr
when we come back here on theOutlaws, Welcome back. Make sure that
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thank you, oh so very much. Let's get to the conclusion of
our interview with Cleveland City Councilman RichardStarr. There was a story in Cleveland
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dot com that said he essentially liedto Cleveland dot com with with with his
story and we'll get to we'll getto that part in a second. But
so you discover this information, we'retalking with Cleveland, UH City Councilman Richard
Starr. You talk, you findthis information once you discover this information about
Philip McHugh as not only as acouncilman, but also as a black man
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in the city. How did youfeel about that when you discovered that this
guy with this history and this backgroundnow has this position in this city.
I completely felt speechless, and Isaid and I said, actually, wow,
And that's where I might where dothey do this at? Where is
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this allowed? To name any otherentity where this can actually occur at and
it'll be okay. I felt thatif it was me, I would never
get this type of chance or opportunity. Never if somebody looked like me,
they would never get to that opportunity. And it shows that it's who you
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know. And also it shows youit looked like it's a black and white
thing. So you got to lookat race. I mean, they fired
our safety director. He resigned basedon some policy rules. Fired our assistant
safety director, jakimad who is asingle parent who got dragged through the mud
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because she had a car accident andhad her children in a city vehicles employees
still to this day utilizing city vehicleswith their children in the car, still
today. So she gets fired foran accident. Our our third, our
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second assistant director of safety, GeorgeCulture, a great stand up African American
man. He decides to resign.So our safety director, our safety director
was black. Our assistant director teamwith African American black woman, Georgia Culture,
our an additional assistant director black.He desires to resign, and then
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he and our at the time areare chief of police. Chief Drumming at
the time was black. So wehad one sentim lifetime. Now we have
some people that looked like myself,that looked like on the vast majority of
Cleveland, and some some great leadershippositions to do some great things. They
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all get fired or are forced toresign or just resign because of the nepotism
and the drama that is going on. The administration wanted to carry hour to
hire someone and try someone to beas replacement. This is not this is
not right. So the thing thathas kind of puzzled me the most,
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and I would love to get yourthoughts on on if you have any insight
on why they're doing this is oncethis all came out, I would have
expected in any other situation that theywould have let this guy go and move
on. But the administration is doublingdown on that, and I can't.
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I can't figure out why it doesn'tmake sense city wise, it doesn't make
sense politically, it doesn't make sensein any way that you want to look
at it. I don't understand.And why they seem determined to keep this
guy. What are your thoughts?The reason why I think that they're determined
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to double they're doubling down and determinedto do this is because other relationship that
this individual has with the mayor.Maybe this guy Philip mcewe is a close
friend and they go back. MaybeMayor Bibb is looking to say this my
watch guy, my watch dog.Now I don't care what his background is.
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And for them to say they knewabout they've came out and said they
knew about this case and knew whathappened, and say he's the best qualified
candidate. That's when you know thattheir integrity and their values and their character
is on display. And that's themayor He's like, Hey, this is
my friend and I want him herenext to me, and I take it,
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and I don't mind dealing with anyother consequences because I feel like this
is my friend and that is nothow you get things done. And the
ones who are around him, advisinghim and his team are letting them look
like a clown out there. Andthat's the issue I have, is the
fact that this should not be happening. It's not about a win or a
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loss. It's about the optics.It's about the residents. It's about the
citizens in the city of Cleveland havingsomeone in a position that's going to try
to discipline and advise and do differentthings when it comes to safety. When
they have shown that they don't evenknow what they're doing, when they know
them that they will violate somebody rights. That ain't what we're doing. And
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that was frustrates me the most.And for me to look up and see
that Mayor BB and Mayor be apposedis a millennial and a black leader.
And he talked about transparency, hetalks so bad about previous administrations, and
talked about campaigning, about doing thingsright, campaign about his ground. So
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you're telling me, phili mceute,with his background, if your grandma will
somebody called something on his grandma.He liked his grandma up and did the
same thing. So how you gonnasay, my grandma is my backbone?
But then hire somebody that possibly wouldhave it. I liked your grandma up
if somebody made a call like this. We was affigating. Wow, we've
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done with Cleveland City Councilman Richard Starr, and have you heard from your residence
or residents in your war talking aboutthis man. Residents been calling all three
of my cell phones. Residents fromWar five, residents from throughout the city,
employees within the city staff, everywhereI go. Counselman, we need
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you, counselman. This is notright. Counselman. Thank you for speaking
up because this this type of thingshouldn't happen. Counselman. I worked for
the city and I got fired forme asking just some basic questions on while
we're doing things, and I wastrying to challenge the status quote a little
bit, and I was fired withoutno background or without no documentation. I
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was to just let go everyone.Everyone in the city that I've that I've
known or have communication with, orany type of form of relationship, whether
they were support me or don't supportme, have spoken to me. I've
had a ray of different individuals reachedout and said this is completely wrong and
the mayor is going to have todeal with this later. And they mean
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it, and a lot of residentsare talking about when the election time come
on, they will not forget this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
been hearing the same man. Thisis This has really kind of penetrated the
conscious list of people in the citymore than anything else has. Now.
I know you mentioned earlier about council'srole and how you can't as the rules
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stand right now, there really isn'tmuch that you all can do. But
I know that there is a coupleof you have been proposing sort of changing
that, So let's talk a littlebit about that. From my understanding,
it seems like maybe it would becomesomething similar to how the Senate does in
Congress, where the President appoints someone, but the Senate has to confirm them.
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Is that something? Is that theprocess similar to the process that you're
trying to put in place, YEP, similar to that process as well as
a similar process for a Cuyoga CountyCouncil. They have to approve certain type
of senior level positions that the countyexecutive wants to hire. County executive can
go through the interview and the selectionand that setting process, but then ultimately
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has to be approved through the CountyCouncil with different orderses to allow them to
be able to get into that position. So that's something I'm looking into.
But also even currently, before weget into that, it's a budget.
The budget that we have to paypeople has to be approved by cleand City
Council. So if it's a positionthat's funded or it is a position that
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we want to eliminate in council,we have the authority to do that,
right right. So so I'm assumingthat there's there's going to be some movement
on one of those two things,if not both, uh, sometime in
the future. Here. So ifyou and I know, I'm sure you've
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probably had conversations with the mayor.I know you said a lot of this
stuff publicly. If you were ableto, you know, look one on
one eye to eye with the mayorabout this situation, what would you what
would you say to the mayor aboutthis I would say to the mayor.
You you you say you are ablack, young millennial. You say you
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from Mount Pleasant, you say youfrom the urban neighborhood, you say you
from Cleveland. You say you loveCleveland. Well, if you love Cleveland,
you will let Philip mceu go ifyou really for this community, if
you really want to be a transparenton mayor, you want to be the
mayor that helped modernize the city,you you wouldn't be going back hiring people
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with this Jim Crow tactic racism background, and those individuals will not be around
your camp Also to the mayor,stop, you need to get some real
people around you, because if youask someone real that would really have your
ear, that really care about you, mayor be it, they wouldn't allow
you to make this incompetent decision.They will not allow you to be out
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here being made a fool because youjust think about a quote unquote friendship as
opposed to thinking about your career,thinking about the people. But at the
end of the day, I wouldlet them know, like, don't believe
that voter turnout is low on theEast Side or in urban neighborhoods, as
if voter turnout cannot change and flipin one election due to things that happen.
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I will also let the mayor knowis you walk in and tiptoe in
similar to the same mistakes, thesame issues that Mayor Jane Campbell has,
and you're going to be a oneterm mayor if you keep this up and
that's the direction you're heading in.All right, counsel Start. Let everybody
know if they want to get incontact with your office, follow you on
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social media, keep up with withthis and everything else you got going on
them. Know how to do that. Yep, Hey everyone, My office
number is two one six sixty sixfour two three zero nine. My email
is our STA r R at ClevelandCity Council. If you want to follow
anything going on social media wise,my social media account for Instagram is council
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Member Underscore Richard Starr and then alsothe same for on Facebook as well as
Twitter. On with the R witha one. All right, man,
thank you so much for coming onthe show and spending time with us.
We appreciate you, man, Thankyou anytime. I appreciate you. Have
a great afternoon. One more time, thank you to Counseling Start for coming
on the show. Really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll
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and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio.Uh. We have a special interview today
with Cleveland City Councilman Richard Starr.He is addressing something that has been in
the news he's spoken out about publicly, and that is the hiring of Philip
(01:03):
McHugh in the city's safety department asa safety advisor I believe is his official
title. He is someone who isaccused of violating an elderly black couple's civil
rights when he was a police detectivein Washington, d C. And there's
been a fight between members of counciland the mayor. The mayor hired Mayor
(01:29):
Justin Bibb hired this guy and continuesto double down on keeping him in that
position, and the members of council, including Councilman Star, are very unhappy
and upset about that and are addressingit in the ways that are available to
them. So we're going to getinto the interview with Councilman Richard Starr right
(01:52):
now. All right, we havea very special guest on the show today.
He is Cleveland City Counselman Richard Star. Welcome to the program. How
you doing? Sorry, Hey,are you doing? Brother? Pretty good?
I'm having a great day. Justtime, all right, all right,
So, man, there's there's beena lot of controversy around a particular
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hire that the mayor of Cleveland hasmade. And before we get kind of
to your your response and your feelingsabout it, let's start from the beginning.
Who is who is Philip McK whatposition has he been hired for,
and what allegedly did he do inWashington, d C. In his previous
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job. Thank you, Thank youfor a first for this interview in his
time to just have a discussion.I really take the context that sometimes people
in our community are not receiving thecorrect information on a lot of things or
are they just not aware of whatis going on when it comes to government,
So the mayor administration has the rightand right now based on the way
(03:07):
charter and policy is written, tohire whoever they want. Clela City Council
do not hire fire or do anydeployment or anything like that, or enforce
anything. We are the legilative body. But within that the context that break
it down to local government. Standpointfor someone to understand Clelic City Council is
(03:28):
the border government, I mean theBorder directors. As the Border directors,
we have oversight. And with thatbeing said, is whether we have the
policy in place or not. Wedo control how things are done. Positions
are created, we have to approvethose positions. Money is needed, we
have to approve those things. Ninetyfive percent of the things that the mayor
wants to do has to come tothe legilative body and that's council. So
(03:53):
the whole context of a Philip mceew, he was a guy who once applied.
Before he applied for a job,he first was a roommate college roommate
of mayor bid So that means theyhave some type of formal relationship and I
believe Mayor bed wanted to bring himon to work here in some type of
(04:14):
capacity around safety. From the timehe was hired in December up until now,
he had three different titles, sohe's had up and down on all
these different positions. So one dayat a safety committee meeting, I was
looking around noticing a guy like yod. I think this is the second safety
committee meet and I've noticed this individual. So I got up and proceeded to
ask some of my colleagues on theSafety committee to figure out, like who
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is So when I finally got hisname, one counsel order said Philip one
Saint McHugh, and then they weretrying to connect. Once I got everything,
I sat down at my surface duringcommittee and I did a Google search.
And when I did a Google search, I found a video at the
top of the search, a videoof a senior elder couple around in their
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seventies and they were telling a storyabout how their civil rights were violated by
Detective Philip McHugh and how he ledan initiative to to harass the this couple.
And when you look at the case, it all stems from a fenderbender
accident and you look at this couple. They were in their beings and they
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were just having having a nice timeout and through that fenderbender altercation, Miss
Sharad was in her car and shewas flagging a lady off like, well
soit you ain'tna basically give me yourinformation or doing what you need to do,
go ahead and just get out ofmy face. One of those get
keep keep moving type of thing.And as you know, this lady then
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decided to call the police and makea false allegation that said miss Charad was
waving a gun at her and thedetective that was as signs of the case
was Philim mceu. Now someone callsa detective and said, as somebody was
possibly doing some type of activity witha gun with them, and the detective
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automatically just jumped and believed whatever thislady was saying. I believe her name
was Sarah, I forgot what heractual name is. But the lady said
this made these false allegations, andPhilip mcee as a detective, took it
and ran with it. And thethings that he did within that case,
he shows his lack of integrity,lack of respect, and not even just
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the truth He immediately got in contactwith Michel Rod and let her know that
some allegation has been brought up andsomebody was saying that she had a gun,
and she said, no, that'sa lie. She said, out
on our own a gun, neverhad a gun. That is not me.
Philip mcee then then decides to runon mische Rod and her husband through
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the federal database, state database tosee if they ever purchased a gun.
And what you found out was they'venever owned a gun. Mister or Misscharad
never own a gun. They're notgun carriers. That's not them. Next
he puts in a request to saythat they were involved in a possible colonials
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assort with a weapon, and thenhad every from the state to the local
patrol looking for a Mischarid a car. Now the context of understanding this is
it took the state and the federalgovernment six weeks to pull over Misscharad.
Module elderly couple. I mean mostelderly couples are not out in their cars
driving every day often as most asother individuals there. You know, you
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may be retired, you probably goto the store, go to a couple
places, but not out owning yourcar. So it took the police six
times, I mean six weeks forlaw enforcement to pull them over. But
when law enforcement pulled her over,Deschrode family over, Philip mcewe gets the
call and receives the call that theyfound a car. And now he gets
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that call for him to be ableto I'm to the scene and search the
car. There were the context ofwhat was happening. They then put on
an elderly couple in handcuffs, sittingthem to the sidewalk, and for an
hour search the car. So theythink of the mental tactics that is going
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on. You gotta ground, yougot, you got an elder couple like
I don't I have a gun.There's not a gun. I've told you
this before. Why are y'all pullingme over? Why are you still searching
my car? Why am I sittinghere? Why are we in handcuffs?
Why do are we being detained forsomething that is completely false? For phili
m you don't want to hear thathe believed in his heart because someone called
them and said this allegation that hadgotta be true. Don't find a gun.
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Next thing, you know, Philmceu tries to get them to then
come downtown and to the to thepolice Court district to make to make a
conversation and a statement. Miss mceute, I mean miss mister Rod. She
didn't believe them, she didn't trusthim, and she's like, I'm not
going anywhere. Next thing, youknow, after the car is topped,
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Philip mce's then goes and submit fora house search warrant. Now you knock
at an elderly couple house with thepolice, and if anybody understands, when
the police comes to your house anddo a search warrant, they don't pick
up things and put them back inplace. They tear up stuff, They
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slam TVs, knock things over,pull things out your drawers, and just
leave your house like they were lookingfor something. And guess what, And
as they did that search warrant,yet again you don't find no going that
that right there, you said youstopped them. You get a call saying
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that they possibly have a gun andwould pointing a gun at somebody. Don't
find no truth to that. Thenrun the name through database, find out
they don't own a gun, neverhad. This couple never own a gun.
Then you do a flag the carto be stopped because there was might
have been evolved in some type ofgun case. Still don't find a gun.
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Then you do a search of theirhome, still don't find a gun,
and then you're do an arrest warrantout for missch Rod. Now look
at the context of this. MisterSharrod is a legally blind man. He
can't even do much to help hiswife in each one of these cases.
In the car situation when the firstinitially happened, then when they get pulled
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over, then they're in their housedoing the search work. Now you're gonna
Now you're gonna come and arrest mywife and say she needs to turn herself
in so so so so mister Rod, with her pastor at fixing the warning,
goes to turn herself in prison andin her Sunday's best clothes. So
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philim me cue. You still don'tgot no evidence against this women, nothing
that pointed, nothing that nothing showsanything in her background for you to be
doing this. Then when you getto a grand jury, grand jury told
them like, no, you you'recompletely wrong. So now you're trying to
reverse it and not not saying youwasn't leading it. So Philip mcew violated
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somebody's civil rights. A DC lawsuitwas filed against the police force as well,
I'm mque in which they pay asix figure settlement to the Sharra family.
Now this is not a family thatyou think like, oh, this
is a cash grab. You know, they was driving the bands. They
were driving the bands, and youlook at the house. They they've done
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well for themselves. And for themto be living in DC, to be
deinged and treated with their violation oftheir civil rights being taken away from them
and being treated like that for eightmonths by a detective shows that the intechnertary
that McK ass is not the goodintegrity that is needed for the city of
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Cleveland. So as that happened,Phila mce then becomes put in a situation
where he wanted to come to Cleveland. He has a relationship with Mayor Justin
Bibb, stemming from his days asa college roommate and as a college roommate
to Mayor bib The relationship keeping tact. My college roommate from bought and Wallace,
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Dan Turner. I talked to him, I talked to him Mary Day,
I talked to him often. It'swell, but your roommate then applies
for a position in July for himto work in public Safty didn't receive that
position as a regular applicant, hedidn't receive it. So next step he
decides to have communication obviously with themayor and Chief Radford Davey, as well
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as Director Cole of Human Resources,and he starts to write his own job
sture and create a job a positionthat wasn't funded in the budget, and
then have the Public Safety go outand do a post in and do an
interview, and then he gets selectedfor the job. He didn't go through
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the same protocols as everyone else.He didn't have a thorough background check.
He wasn't vetted like they do anyother police. Because if he was vetted
the same way as everyone else thecivil rights case, what it came up
his background of other times where hewas in trouble for pursuing a car without
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having authority, a high speed chasewithout authority. So he's showing that he
has some rough rider, like hejust a night rider, similar to some
things that you would not want tosee in Cleveland. After we've done with
Silver, after we have dealt withcivil rights violations, after we have dealt
with police brutality in our city,We've dealt with violence involving police and pedestrians
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and citizens in the city of Cleveland. To now having somebody who has those
type of tactics in their background andhave shown that this is who they are,
to now having a job created thathe created himself. That is a
senior level position and it's not beingvetted just as as any other senior level
position would or as any other positionwas because of the relationship he has with
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the mayor. Is nothing but nepotism. It is disrespectful to all of the
residents in Cleveland, especially especially thecity workers that are in law enforcement.
Imagine how that go if you totry to work their way up all your
life and then you don't even getafforded the opportunity for a position, and
you may have the experience, butyou ain't got that in much experience.
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He has done nothing. His backgroundhas shown that he's going to be the
one to do all type of anything. And he don't believe in facts.
He just pushed whatever narrative that hebelieves. And on top of that,
when everything came about and Director Howard, who was to the director of safety,
He asked m because he was toldthat he didn't have to go all
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through all this extra checking and vettingfor him. The guyard he actually didn't
have anything in his background, andhe said no, So you lied to
you lied to the director, andyou've created a position that was not that
was picked for you. And thentrying to say, well, I didn't
think I was gonna get it,Well, why did you create a job
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if you don't think you don't getit? It's like, where do they
do this at? Where is thisprivilege now? To be honest about justice?
And I never seen nobody that lookedlike me get this type of opportunity
just because just because who I knowthat is That is not cool, That's
not right. MCE should not bein our city working in no type of
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leadership capacity. He has not shownany type of grace. And he's around
line and pastors and saying that lineof pastors line to editor borderclean dot com
line to other council members, statingthat the prosecutor Madeheim continue to pursue this
case. He told him that itwasn't it wasn't, it wasn't true,
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and things could have been more worseif he if he was, wasn't telling
them to stop? Everyone know,when you look at the deposition, it
showed everything was laid. I feela mceue. It was written, I
feel a mceue. So what yousaid then and now what you're saying now,
it's contradiction. The conclusion of ourinterview with the council and Richard Starr
when we come back here on theOutlaws, Welcome back. Make sure that
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thank you, oh so very much. Let's get to the conclusion of
our interview with Cleveland City Councilman RichardStarr. There was a story in Cleveland
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dot com that said he essentially liedto Cleveland dot com with with with his
story and we'll get to we'll getto that part in a second. But
so you discover this information, we'retalking with Cleveland, UH City Councilman Richard
Starr. You talk, you findthis information once you discover this information about
Philip McHugh as not only as acouncilman, but also as a black man
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in the city. How did youfeel about that when you discovered that this
guy with this history and this backgroundnow has this position in this city.
I completely felt speechless, and Isaid and I said, actually, wow,
And that's where I might where dothey do this at? Where is
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this allowed? To name any otherentity where this can actually occur at and
it'll be okay. I felt thatif it was me, I would never
get this type of chance or opportunity. Never if somebody looked like me,
they would never get to that opportunity. And it shows that it's who you
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know. And also it shows youit looked like it's a black and white
thing. So you got to lookat race. I mean, they fired
our safety director. He resigned basedon some policy rules. Fired our assistant
safety director, jakimad who is asingle parent who got dragged through the mud
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because she had a car accident andhad her children in a city vehicles employees
still to this day utilizing city vehicleswith their children in the car, still
today. So she gets fired foran accident. Our our third, our
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second assistant director of safety, GeorgeCulture, a great stand up African American
man. He decides to resign.So our safety director, our safety director
was black. Our assistant director teamwith African American black woman, Georgia Culture,
our an additional assistant director black.He desires to resign, and then
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he and our at the time areare chief of police. Chief Drumming at
the time was black. So wehad one sentim lifetime. Now we have
some people that looked like myself,that looked like on the vast majority of
Cleveland, and some some great leadershippositions to do some great things. They
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all get fired or are forced toresign or just resign because of the nepotism
and the drama that is going on. The administration wanted to carry hour to
hire someone and try someone to beas replacement. This is not this is
not right. So the thing thathas kind of puzzled me the most,
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and I would love to get yourthoughts on on if you have any insight
on why they're doing this is oncethis all came out, I would have
expected in any other situation that theywould have let this guy go and move
on. But the administration is doublingdown on that, and I can't.
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I can't figure out why it doesn'tmake sense city wise, it doesn't make
sense politically, it doesn't make sensein any way that you want to look
at it. I don't understand.And why they seem determined to keep this
guy. What are your thoughts?The reason why I think that they're determined
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to double they're doubling down and determinedto do this is because other relationship that
this individual has with the mayor.Maybe this guy Philip mcewe is a close
friend and they go back. MaybeMayor Bibb is looking to say this my
watch guy, my watch dog.Now I don't care what his background is.
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And for them to say they knewabout they've came out and said they
knew about this case and knew whathappened, and say he's the best qualified
candidate. That's when you know thattheir integrity and their values and their character
is on display. And that's themayor He's like, Hey, this is
my friend and I want him herenext to me, and I take it,
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and I don't mind dealing with anyother consequences because I feel like this
is my friend and that is nothow you get things done. And the
ones who are around him, advisinghim and his team are letting them look
like a clown out there. Andthat's the issue I have, is the
fact that this should not be happening. It's not about a win or a
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loss. It's about the optics.It's about the residents. It's about the
citizens in the city of Cleveland havingsomeone in a position that's going to try
to discipline and advise and do differentthings when it comes to safety. When
they have shown that they don't evenknow what they're doing, when they know
them that they will violate somebody rights. That ain't what we're doing. And
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that was frustrates me the most.And for me to look up and see
that Mayor BB and Mayor be apposedis a millennial and a black leader.
And he talked about transparency, hetalks so bad about previous administrations, and
talked about campaigning, about doing thingsright, campaign about his ground. So
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you're telling me, phili mceute,with his background, if your grandma will
somebody called something on his grandma.He liked his grandma up and did the
same thing. So how you gonnasay, my grandma is my backbone?
But then hire somebody that possibly wouldhave it. I liked your grandma up
if somebody made a call like this. We was affigating. Wow, we've
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done with Cleveland City Councilman Richard Starr, and have you heard from your residence
or residents in your war talking aboutthis man. Residents been calling all three
of my cell phones. Residents fromWar five, residents from throughout the city,
employees within the city staff, everywhereI go. Counselman, we need
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you, counselman. This is notright. Counselman. Thank you for speaking
up because this this type of thingshouldn't happen. Counselman. I worked for
the city and I got fired forme asking just some basic questions on while
we're doing things, and I wastrying to challenge the status quote a little
bit, and I was fired withoutno background or without no documentation. I
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was to just let go everyone.Everyone in the city that I've that I've
known or have communication with, orany type of form of relationship, whether
they were support me or don't supportme, have spoken to me. I've
had a ray of different individuals reachedout and said this is completely wrong and
the mayor is going to have todeal with this later. And they mean
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it, and a lot of residentsare talking about when the election time come
on, they will not forget this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
been hearing the same man. Thisis This has really kind of penetrated the
conscious list of people in the citymore than anything else has. Now.
I know you mentioned earlier about council'srole and how you can't as the rules
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stand right now, there really isn'tmuch that you all can do. But
I know that there is a coupleof you have been proposing sort of changing
that, So let's talk a littlebit about that. From my understanding,
it seems like maybe it would becomesomething similar to how the Senate does in
Congress, where the President appoints someone, but the Senate has to confirm them.
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Is that something? Is that theprocess similar to the process that you're
trying to put in place, YEP, similar to that process as well as
a similar process for a Cuyoga CountyCouncil. They have to approve certain type
of senior level positions that the countyexecutive wants to hire. County executive can
go through the interview and the selectionand that setting process, but then ultimately
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has to be approved through the CountyCouncil with different orderses to allow them to
be able to get into that position. So that's something I'm looking into.
But also even currently, before weget into that, it's a budget.
The budget that we have to paypeople has to be approved by cleand City
Council. So if it's a positionthat's funded or it is a position that
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we want to eliminate in council,we have the authority to do that,
right right. So so I'm assumingthat there's there's going to be some movement
on one of those two things,if not both, uh, sometime in
the future. Here. So ifyou and I know, I'm sure you've
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probably had conversations with the mayor.I know you said a lot of this
stuff publicly. If you were ableto, you know, look one on
one eye to eye with the mayorabout this situation, what would you what
would you say to the mayor aboutthis I would say to the mayor.
You you you say you are ablack, young millennial. You say you
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from Mount Pleasant, you say youfrom the urban neighborhood, you say you
from Cleveland. You say you loveCleveland. Well, if you love Cleveland,
you will let Philip mceu go ifyou really for this community, if
you really want to be a transparenton mayor, you want to be the
mayor that helped modernize the city,you you wouldn't be going back hiring people
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with this Jim Crow tactic racism background, and those individuals will not be around
your camp Also to the mayor,stop, you need to get some real
people around you, because if youask someone real that would really have your
ear, that really care about you, mayor be it, they wouldn't allow
you to make this incompetent decision.They will not allow you to be out
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here being made a fool because youjust think about a quote unquote friendship as
opposed to thinking about your career,thinking about the people. But at the
end of the day, I wouldlet them know, like, don't believe
that voter turnout is low on theEast Side or in urban neighborhoods, as
if voter turnout cannot change and flipin one election due to things that happen.
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I will also let the mayor knowis you walk in and tiptoe in
similar to the same mistakes, thesame issues that Mayor Jane Campbell has,
and you're going to be a oneterm mayor if you keep this up and
that's the direction you're heading in.All right, counsel Start. Let everybody
know if they want to get incontact with your office, follow you on
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social media, keep up with withthis and everything else you got going on
them. Know how to do that. Yep, Hey everyone, My office
number is two one six sixty sixfour two three zero nine. My email
is our STA r R at ClevelandCity Council. If you want to follow
anything going on social media wise,my social media account for Instagram is council
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Member Underscore Richard Starr and then alsothe same for on Facebook as well as
Twitter. On with the R witha one. All right, man,
thank you so much for coming onthe show and spending time with us.
We appreciate you, man, Thankyou anytime. I appreciate you. Have
a great afternoon. One more time, thank you to Counseling Start for coming
on the show. Really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll
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see you next time. Peace.This has been a presentation of the FCB
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