Ep. 417 - Talking TikTok ban, US and China, the LA fires and more

The crew is back! The Outlaws explore the issues surrounding the on again - off again TikTok ban, the United States overreliance on China, the LA wildfires and more. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:32):
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us on x and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio. Dante,
how you doing, sir.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm good man. Happy New Year, y'all celebrated birthdays. It's
uh yes, yeah. So you know, it's been a it's
been a time since we done you know, since we
got to do this. But I'm glad we're back at.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It right right, how twenty twenty five treating you so far, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Far, so good. I can't complain other than you know,
the weather being garbage. Outside of that, it's been it's
been a good start to twenty twenty five. I can't
say the same fer. You know, everybody across the country
that twenty twenty fox has been great, But for me,
it's been pretty good, pretty prosperous so far too.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, that's true. We're gonna talk about some of the
other issues that other folks happening in twenty twenty five.
But the million dollar question is how much doge coin
have you bought since the election?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
None? None, It's no math behind doge coin. It's all vibes.
I don't play like that too. What happens bigcoin? Yeah,
I have some of that, but doge no, No, I
have no idea. I mean, there's no there's no math
behind it, so I can't. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You don't do vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
No, not with invest in.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, you know, people are saying, man, there's been some
folks are saying because of Elon's pending position with the government,
that that doge coin is going to take off.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, it's ridiculous to me that he gets to be that,
that he's in the position that he's you know, looking
at this position that he's in now, seeing that his
company is seeing that really all his companies take government subsidies.
And that's nothing really against Elon is I mean, if
you can be in that position to do this, it's

(02:32):
it's quite remarkable. But yeah, I mean it's it's talk
about conflict.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Of interest, hey, you know, and it's gangster like. I
have some issues with Elon, particularly on the way that
he not only navigates Twitter or x, but you know,
he he gets like on the line of saying some

(02:58):
racist stuff too often.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
For my life, yeah, or retweeting stuff right right.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know that makes me uncomfortable. But he is a genius.
He's definitely a genius. Nobody can take that away from him.
And the fact that he's in this super sweet situation
reinforces the fact that he's a genus. Yeah, because there's
some gangster stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Helped Trump win the election and now you get to
basically help him run the government. Meanwhile, you know, every
single one of the companies that you use it has
takes government subsidies, it is, and you're supposed to be
the guy to help figure out government efficiency. I'm sure
that you know, his companies will not be impacted by

(03:46):
you know, it's uh limiting government spending.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Of course that and you know, I ain't mad at him.
I ain't mad at him. I mean, I'm mad at
him for some other stuff, but I ain't mad at
them for being like because that's gangster if you can
get it and get it right right at that part,
Miss o'nalley, how are you.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm good, Yeah, I'm good. Just been working and then
you know, living life. I just had a birthday yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's right, that's right. Happy belated birthday. Happy belated birthday.
And since we're taping this now, I had a birthday
not too long ago as well. You know these Coppricorn
babies on the show.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Right here here is a happy birthday to you. I mean,
you know, we got to celebrate together.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
But thank you, thank you. Right hey, hey, Robin Dante
is supposed to be taking us out, so.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
You'all gotta give me a date before I've changed my mind.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Hey, rob, we better give him a date. Man.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, it was supposed to be tomorrow, but you know
the weather, you know that that thing, this arctic blast. Yeah,
but uh yeah, so other than that, you know, I've
just been kind of here here and there, receiving blessings
but also dealing with family health issues and whatnot, trying

(05:28):
to balance.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
It all out.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's but you know, we we come and we're coming
for something big this year, and I do have something
in the works. I'm not going to say what it is.
Both of you guys know, but soon everybody else will know.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay't wait, that's gonna be done. I know what it is.
We know what it is. But y'all have found out
what it is eventually. Robin, I know you said you're
the win had knocked the Wi Fi out? Did it
come back in? Because I heard he was having a
little bit of a of a connection issue here and there.

(06:12):
Did the Wi Fi come back here?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, potentially.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Potentially. It's crazy, how like we spend all this money
on technology, We spend all this money on the internet,
and people can't and they still can't figure out how
to keep our stuff on. Uh when when it's wind out,
when it's.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Really windy out. Yeah, and you know, my see my
Wi Fi is not hardwired.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's just you know, just.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
That's it Wi Fi connection. It's no wire son.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I ain't gonna say no names, but you got what's
supposed to be the top company in the market.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Not from what I hear, I hear a lot of
people complaining about that company.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Really that's interesting too. As expensive as.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
They are, that's why I'm gonna be leaving them real soon.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
All right, stay tuned. We have Tea Time with Row
coming up next here on the Outlaws, real talk, real conversations.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
We got the heat, give me the hell. Yeah, this
is the Outlaws Radio Show.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Welcome back, Welcome back and listening to the Outlaws. And
now was Tom de Joe that we like to call
Tea Time with Row.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Turn it up, yell, see out the infectation, the latest
celebrity news and gossip explanation.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws Radio Show.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
You what, ah, so I actually have so much uh
you know, like we were just talking about, let me
go ahead and get my stuff together because the Wi
Fi connection.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Garbage? Yes, because you are we actually have hold on.
You are delayed like sound you're having moments of sounding
like tea pain right now, like your internet is triven.
But all right, go ahead, We're gonna try to make

(08:24):
it through this. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Hey, at least he at least he go. So we
are actually going to talk about the very very top
thing that has been trending for some time now, and
they have been threatening us with this for actually a
few years, and people are now saying, oh, they're not

(08:50):
going to do it. They're not going to do it.
They just talking now. They just being uh toxic and
manipulating us and confusing.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Us and stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
But we're going to talk about it. TikTok. They are
talking about banning TikTok, and we have what two days,
we have two days that they are talking about banning
TikTok where everybody where, there's so many people that make money.

(09:23):
This is their living, this is this is their their income,
their form of income. This is TikTok is where most
communities that don't come together normally come together and they
share knowledge and laughter and it's just so much that
goes on in TikTok. But so as of right now,

(09:47):
so as actually as of yesterday, the Biden administration signals
it won't enforce the TikTok BAM. They will let the
Trump administration deal with it, according to the New Now,
a lot of people are in the comments and they're like, oh,
he's basically said that he put in his two weeks notice,

(10:09):
so he.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Don't really.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's good. That's good.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, so and he so right now, due to this
TikTok band threats all of the people from here, all
of the people from the United States. Uh, they were
so concerned with losing each other and you know, everything
that we received from TikTok and what they do. They

(10:46):
went to another another app and it is called Red Note.
Now Red Note is a Chinese owned a China owned app.
Another China owned app, my God, and it is there
actually I think the top. They're the number one app.

(11:07):
I think either number one or number three at this point.
So let's see. Dul Lingo says its app has seen
a two hundred and sixteen percent spike in the US users,
and that is Red Note.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
So, yes, I have a lot to say on this.
I'm glad that you brought this up because I wanted
to talk about this anyway. First of all, we are
so stupid, we are so as as a nation. I
am concerned for the future of this nation because here's

(11:46):
the thing. First of all, the TikTok ban is not
a TikTok band. What it says is that TikTok can't
be owned by bike Dance. Dance is the owner of
TikTok Bike Dance is a Chinese company, and people will say,
because we think we think so much like Americans that

(12:11):
we think every other country operates like us, So a
lot of us will be like, well, what's the big deal?
I mean, so it's a Chinese company, So what the
big deal is? China is a communist country, so there
is no such thing as free enterprise or the free
market or capitalism as we understand it in China. Every

(12:35):
company operate in China that's based in China operates at
the will of the Chinese government, which means every company,
including bike Dance, has to do what the Chinese government
tells them to do. So if they decide that we

(12:57):
want to have Robin O'Malley's data so we can steal
her great new credit that she has now, or do
whatever they want to do with your information. If TikTok
has whatever data TikTok has on you, and the Chinese
government says give us Robin O'Malley's data, that company has

(13:19):
to do it like. This has been an issue with
TikTok for years and they've made all sorts of excuses. Well, no,
we'll have the servers hosted in America. None of that
matters because you're a Chinese company under control of the

(13:40):
Chinese government, and the Chinese government doesn't play by the
same rules that we do. They are a foreign adversary,
they're an enemy. We are basically in an undeclared war
with China, just without guns. That's basically where we're at.
And that's what this was about. Now, TikTok can stay alive.

(14:03):
And again this we're taping this on a Friday, so
the band is supposed to kick in on Sunday. So
by the time you hear this, the band may be
in a fact, it might have been delayed because there's
a way to delay it to that I'll get to
in a second. But so it wasn't saying you have
to ban TikTok. It was saying that the parent company

(14:28):
cannot own it. You can keep TikTok alive if you
sell it. That to me should be the goal. Now,
Bike Dance, the owner has been threatening to shut it
down rather than sell it. But Trump is trying to
negotiate with the head of China to get them to

(14:53):
keep TikTok open long enough to be able to make
a deal. There's a clause in the law that says
you can delay the band for ninety days if you're
in the middle of a good faith negotiation to sell
TikTok there is an interested buyer. There's there's been a
couple of bids. I believe there's been. There was rumors

(15:15):
about Elon must buying it. That's not gonna happen because
he already owns Twitter slash x, So there'll be like
anti trust concerns, like monopoly concerns that could happen with that.
I don't think the government would approved that. But there
is a very serious bid by Kevin O'Leary, who many

(15:37):
people know as mister Wonderful. If you've ever seen Shark Tank,
he's one of the He's one of the judges on
Shark Tank.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
I'm also mister Beast as well.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes, yes he did. Now, I don't know how serious
mister Beast's bid is. I don't know anything about I
just know that he put one in. I don't know.
I don't know how much money he put in or
or what he's like. I don't know anything about his bid,
but I did hear that too. Now, Kevin O'Leary's bid

(16:07):
is for twenty billion dollars they're offering him and the
group of people like the group of owners is Ownership
Group are offering twenty billion dollars to buy TikTok. All
Byte Dance has to do is sell it. It's up
to them to sell it. And I saw a commentator

(16:29):
on CNN make this point, and I thought it was
very interesting. And TikTok is a forty plus billion dollar
company that has a ton of assets. Of all of
those people one hundred and forty seven million, I think
users in America, if they were willing, if they would

(16:49):
be willing to eat all of that and shut it
down instead of taking a check for twenty billion dollars,
that should tell you what this is about all along.
If they would rather shut TikTok down then let Americans
own it, that should tell you what they were really

(17:12):
up to with TikTok the whole time.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Dante, Yeah, I mean I don't I haven't been following
this too much because I don't use TikTok, so either way,
it doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
But I.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Thought it was just interesting. Like many you know, twenty
billion dollars is light for you know what TikTok's actual
evaluation is so, I mean, if you can get TikTok
for that if you can get TikTok for that price, like,
that's a I mean, that's a that would be a
huge win for Kevin o'lary's group because you would be
getting it at such a you would be getting such

(17:51):
a valuable asset at such a depreciated cost, which is
part of the reason why I was kind of skeptical
when I heard that number, just because I mean that
that's actually very cheap for you know, TikTok's evaluate. I mean,
it's probably less than half.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, because they're about I think the number was forty four.
But let me let me get let me get your
opinion on this, because you just made me think of
a good comparison. Actually, to me, the twenty billion dollar
offer is a good offer because it's the equivalent of
a disgruntled NBA player that you know is unhappy and

(18:34):
you know wants to leave, so the team tries to
trade him, but his trade value is not at its
maximum level because everybody knows he's not happy, and everybody
knows that if you don't trade him, he's gonna leave.
At the end of the year anyway. So it's almost
like to me, I think that would be a real
world equivalent because now that this law has passed that

(18:56):
says Bite Dance has to sell TikTok or shut it down,
and the Supreme Court uh ruled unanimously that the bill
was constitutional. You're you're you have the disgruntle player that
has an expiring contract. So when you think that it's that,

(19:16):
it's almost like similar to that, you don't get value.
You don't get maximum value for a disgruntle player on
expiring contract.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
You may not, but some teams would just be willing
to ride it out right, Like, I mean, we saw this,
you know, we saw the cams do this right with
with Lebron, Like there was a possibility that he could
leave in twenty ten, and they were like, well, we're
just gonna chase the title, right, like, we're not gonna
move them. Similar to Oklahoma City with Durant, it's like, well,

(19:46):
we're gonna chase the title.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Not we're not gonna move them.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
And it's a possibility that things go your way as
a possibility that they don't. My question for for TikTok's
parent company would be what would they be looking at
in terms of lost revenue if TikTok didn't exist here
in America. Oh, I don't. I would wonder what that
would do to the company and are they able to

(20:13):
just weight this thing out because the American people don't
care as much that it's a propaganda tool for China.
They don't necessarily care about.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That, and that was just unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm an administration if they were just willing to wait
it out.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So if I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong,
and I'm not sure, I believe that forty four billion
dollar valuation is for TikTok's US subsidiary, so so so
TikTok in the US is worth forty four billion dollars.
So if they shut it down, you're basically losing. And

(20:55):
Kevin O'Leary said this on CNN that you're losing forty
four billion dollars of value for your stockholders. Hmm. That's
a that's a big that that's that's a big chunk
of change to just set on fire. Man.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It is it's just really hard to know with Chinese businesses,
and you know, it's just so difficult to really know,
because you're never and just in Layman's terms, you're never
going to be able to see their actual books have
no idea, and yeah, I mean they have to. You know,

(21:37):
it's funny because one of my favorite lines, just in general,
is from The Sopranos. But you know, the parent company
of TikTok has bigger people to answer to than the
Biden administration, the Trump administration or even our Supreme Court,
bigger people in their own country than you know. They
They have to answer to Beijing, so they can't they

(22:02):
can't make a deal without that.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, yes, that's why he's involved in. That's why the
chairman's z is in or president she is involved in
the GHO chairman, chairman, fair man.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
This you know, I love that the West has tried
to because we do business with you know, China is
basically China is basically a free market for the rest
of the world. But everybody in China has to play ball,
you know, is communists. Is the best way I can
always explain it, right because you know people will get
you know, I saw this a lot in college. Again,
I'm e commage, so you know, you get these. No,

(22:40):
China actually has a free market, yeah for us, for
the rest of us, but like people in China don't
get the you know, Team Moo don't operate the same
way in China as it does for us, right, same
thing with TikTok, Right, So, like if the chairman is
in Beijing with basically unless if the parent company of

(23:03):
China want or if TikTok wants to keep their head,
probably literally they have to play ball. So I don't
know what their actual evaluation is and what the losses
would be. And in Beijing would just be willing to
eat the losses because it's you know, we kind of
stick it to America And it could be what type

(23:27):
of an impact does this have on an income and administration?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Is it just a nuisance that the Trump administration can
sort of wait out or is it something that if
I mean, if it's one hundred and forty seven million
users that people are just pissed about and they want
something to happen, right, right, So maybe you know, if
Supreme Court already ruled on it, it's going to be
you know, Trump asked them for a stay. It's not

(23:52):
it's not happening. So what would the Chinese be okay
with just like letting this be a a crawl on
his teeth almost, you know what I mean. I don't know,
but it's going to be really interesting to see how
this plays out, because you know, Trump wants to make
a deal and keep it.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And keep in mind too, to your point, you are
dealing with Trump and uh, somebody asked Kevin O'Leary about this, Well,
what if they shut it? What if China just says
we'll shut it down? He makes a good point, and
we'll understand this understanding how Trump handles business. He said, Well,

(24:32):
President Trump has already said that he wants to save tiktime,
and I think that if China just decided to shut
it down that that would piss Trump off. And I
don't think they want to piss Trump off.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's certainly not great. It's certainly not Yeah, it's certainly
not great. Got a good idea for an incoming administration,
Now that's not what you want. And I know, like
you know, Trump is valuable on these sort of things. Right,
one hundred and fift million people in the country want
TikTok to stay around.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Trump is more than likely willing to bend on that.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Right. He's you know, The one thing we know about
Trump is he's not a staunch idealist. He is very
malleable on a lot of things, so he would be
willing to play ball. He would, of course want to
make a deal. The question is is like, does Beijing
actually want to make a deal, and then do lawmakers

(25:26):
in America actually want to make a deal? That's the
other you know what I mean, that's the other thing too.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Robin, You got anything else you want
to say on TikTok or you're ready to move on? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Honestly, just as long as I'm being honest with you,
the only thing I care about is a cap cut.
So as long as they don't take cap cut away,
I'll be cool. But I'm pretty sure they're gonna take.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
It away if they TikTok on that.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, Okay, I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
That, but you know here, I was actually just thinking
about this though too when Dante was talking, is why
are they going after TikTok but they're not going after Timu?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Do you know what somebody else said that on on
the news today. That's problematic because the issue is about
China having access to Americans data and you know, damn well,
they have access if you bind.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
It makes you wonder if it's more in depth of
than just data they just I mean, hey, listen, my
one of one of a small piece of my opinion
is it's more than just that. It's they want the
power as well. They want it because TikTok.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think I think that's part of it too. I mean,
they they would rather that, they would rather TikTok being
American hands Like. I think that's I think there's truth
to that.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
M So, I think that's the bigger reason here they
don't give it.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
But I would argue too though, And they said this
on on on one of the news reports as well.
The way that law is written, it's not written just
specifically for TikTok, because you can't do that just for
people who don't know. There's a clause in a constitution
that talks about a bill of attainer. A bill of
attainer is like when you make a law saying in

(27:30):
this law, if Robin O'Malley curses on every third Sunday
of the month, she owes five hundred dollars an hour. Right, Well,
you target someone or or an entity or business specifically,
you can't do that it's against the law. So the

(27:51):
way that the law was written doesn't just go at TikTok,
it does target like any Chinese own app that collects
Americans data, depending on what they do with that data,
could be at risk, including Timu, including these other Chinese

(28:13):
apps that these idiots are going on like you're going
to straight up Chinese propaganda. Those other apps are straight
up Chinese propagand.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
But okay, but here's the thing, which, yes, that's.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
True, here's all of those at risk.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
But here's the thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but the
US government does not give a about us. They'll care
about us how we over here in debt and struggling
and this and that. We're going through a lot. Okay,
we are going through hell out here. And do you

(28:48):
think that they're doing anything for us? But yet they
overhear talking about they don't want China to get our
data for our social security numbers and everything else.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, here's the thing. A lot of them, and you're right,
there's there's many of them that don't really care about us.
I totally agree with that, but they do care about China.
And the reason why they care about China is because
this country loses a lot of money to China every
single year, Dante, do you know what our deficit is

(29:18):
with China?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Not off the top of my head, but it's it's
pretty big.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It's in the It's in the hundreds of billions, if
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Okay, So then why do Walmart exist?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, that's a problem. Again, all of these things, well,
people are talking about, people in politics are talking about
addressing all of these issues. We have a problem.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
We have every one of the items in every store
that you go to pick it up and see what
it says where it was made.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And that's what people are talking about. There's been this
whole thing they call they call it decouple it where
there's been a lot of politicians are saying that we
need to decouple from China. We need to let lower
our reliance on China because we can't trust them. We can't.
Like the worst thing was during the pandemic. If y'all remember,

(30:11):
we were running out of masks. We were running out
of cotton swabs that they used for the tests. And
the reason why we were running out of those things
is because we get them from China. Oh the hell,
But that was a good idea. You don't. Ever there
were people who there were drug shortages because some of

(30:32):
the ingredients that we use in our pharmaceutical drugs come
from China. What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
And you know what, I was just talking to my
brother about this. Okay, a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
So right now, I'm just gonna say it like this.
My brother's dealing with an illness right now, right and
were talking about these things, and we're talking about how
the medications that they try to put us on and stuff,
and you know, go to doctors and this that and
the fourth what do you think they survived on many
years ago? Yeah, we over here get in medicine and

(31:09):
drugs and all that. From over there, we got plants.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's just a man, It's just it's absurd. There's a
lot of things that are being looked at. Like I'm
really big on the whole decoupling thing because I think
it's problematic for us. Dante, I don't know where you're
at on the whole to late whole kind of thing,
but too late now. But we have a problem, Like
we have a severe problem, and if we don't do something,

(31:38):
you're never gonna be able I do agree with you
to some extent, like you're never gonna be able to
fully reverse.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It, Like it's just it's too much, too cheap to
do business right the Chinese, Listen, the Chinese have basically
said it's open season on labor, on cheap labor and
cheap commerce here in China. So it's just too beneficial
for it.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And they're going and you know they're going even further
into it, right because they're in a bad economy right
now and they're trying to export their way out of it.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Correct, So they're trying that's really they can, right, that's
the only way that they that's the only way that
they can change things.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Right, they're trying to flood the markets with their cheap crap.
But I think, and you hear people talking about this,
because no, you're not gonna be able to bring all
those jobs back. It's just not it's not feasible. It's
just not gonna happen. But right, it's just you're not
gonna be able to bring all of them back. But
there are some that you absolutely have to bring back

(32:41):
because they're issues of national security, So you do those.
But then the ones that you can't manufacture here India, India,
or Japan or Vietnam, right, exactly?

Speaker 5 (32:54):
That too expensive in Japan.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, yeah, because like India, I think part of the
I mean, you know, we can talk about this off air,
but I think that there have been appointments and people
placed in prominent places for a reason, and that is

(33:19):
too strategically build relationships with the country of India so
that we can take advantage of cheap labor there instead
of China. I think you understand what I'm getting at here.

(33:39):
But yeah, yeah, I think you know what I'm I
think you know what I'm getting at. I'm trying to
be very careful about it. But but yeah, I mean
I think that I think I think a lot of
I think a lot of things have been very strategic.
And this is both sides of the aisle. By the way,

(34:02):
there are a lot of there are a lot of
very prominent people, you know, who would make doing business
in India much friendlier and much much more beneficial to
the United States. Right, So certain people are able to
make that happen.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So last point, because before we're to takings us all
in trouble, last fight, before we move on, I will
because I did want to bring this up since since
we were talking about kind of the economics of this,
because it's bigger than like, it's not just about TikTok.
It's bigger than Nino Brown, right, like it's it's it's
more like TikTok is just an example of the issue

(34:44):
that we have in our relationship with the Chinese government.
But this is also why, like if y'all heard about
the stuff with Greenland and why Trump is actually serious
about trying to buy Greenland. This is why, like some
of the stuff that Dante was talking about, is why
we relied. We over rely on China for rare earth minerals.

(35:07):
And for people who don't know what that is, it's
the stuff that's in your phone, like the chips and
all of these things that power your phone and most
likely your smart TV and everything that you have that's
quote unquote smart in your house. A lot of that
is powered with rare earth minerals and we get that

(35:28):
from China. Now, the thing about Greenland is because of
the climate getting hotter. You know, Greenland used to have
a lot of ice. They don't have as much ice
as they used to, and now companies can get access
to those rare earth minerals at an easier rate, and
there are a ton of them, which would make America

(35:51):
a ton of money and it would lower our reliance
on China. So that's why Trump is going so far.
I think this is bluster, but Trump is going so
far as to not take invasion off of the table.
It's a money play. It's all about money. That's why

(36:12):
they want to buy. That's why he wants to buy Greenland,
because they want to get access to those rare earth
minerals so we can have them ourselves and not have
to over rely on China. So there's that next.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
So, you know, speaking of all that, you guys had
brought up Japan, so as many many people know, if
you don't know, you are living under a rock. You
don't have a television, I don't know. So La has
been on fire. Different parts of La has been on fire,

(36:52):
and many people have lost their homes, their lives, their animals.
It's just been it's it's horrible to see. I absolutely
loved La, loved going there. However, usually we are the
ones to donate money out. For the first time, at

(37:13):
least for the first time that I have seen, we
have had a donation going to La Japan donated two
million dollars. They donated two million to so Cow wildfire recovery.
I don't I'm not really keen on where they donated to.
It's through American Red Cross, But I thought that was

(37:37):
pretty dope that they did that, because we don't too
often see that coming to us here in the United States.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, you know, I've been paying a lot of attention
to this, as many of you know. One of our
FCB family members, Kira Davis, is in California, and she
has seen the devastation in a neighborhood Pacific Palisades. Over

(38:06):
ten thousand buildings have burned to the ground, Like ninety
five percent of the neighborhood is gone. You can't imagine
that level of devastation. And a lot of it was
caused by the incompetence of the leaders of California that

(38:29):
it should have never happened. It should have never happened,
should have never went down like that. It's just it's
absolutely ridiculous, absolutely unacceptable. There is a neighborhood in particular
called Believe All to either Alta Dina. If I'm not mistaken, now,

(38:53):
All to Dina is A historically was a black a
black neighborhood. Yeah, Altadena, Yeah, that's the name. Altadena was
historically a black neighborhood. They were already starting to lose
black population. It was a black working class neighborhood. In particular,
they were already starting to lose population because California is

(39:16):
extremely expensive, like it is stupid expensive to live in California.
You have unless you're super rich, you have no quality
of life in California. So they were already losing from
twenty from two thousand to twenty twenty, they've already been
losing percentages of black populations. And now they're at a

(39:38):
point where there's been so much devastation. A lot of
the black folks who have homes an Alta Dina are
ones who got those homes from their mothers or mothers
or fathers of grandparents or whatever, and their legacy their
legacy residents. And many of them, because they're working class,

(40:00):
many of them don't have the money to replace their homes.
So and now you heard there was news reports where
they're kind of openly talking about gentrifying that neighborhood once
it's rebuilt, So you're displacing the black people that are
left in that neighborhood, which was historically a black working

(40:21):
class neighborhood and one of the few affordable places in
California left. So there's so many different things that are
going on right now. It's just my heart really goes
out and thoughts and prayers, Like in my church we
prayed for California last week, Like it's absolutely devastating, man,

(40:43):
and people don't realize. You know. The thing that I hate, Robin,
you and I were kind of talking a little bit
about jealousy before the show started. One of the things
I hate is like when I see people say, oh,
but those are just rich folks and they could just
buy another house and all of.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
That, and they can't read buy the memories exactly. There's
things that they can't get back just because they're rich.
Don't mean that, you know, there could be family members
ashes that were in there, or things of family members
that are no longer here, or you know, just like
all the things that they worked hard for, you know,
all those awards and stuff they worked hard for that
really hard and a lot of them started from where

(41:21):
we started from.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Absolutely, and it's like like what if, Like I think
about what if there's like if that's my house and
there's pictures of my grandmother who's not here, or pictures
who of my father.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Who I just lost the last picture that you had.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Exactly exactly. It's not it's not always about people's money
and too, you know, a friend of mine said this
to a friend of mine who's in California said this
to me too, Like you don't realize that a lot
of people are in California are house rich. So they
have a million dollar house or a multimillion dollar house,

(41:55):
and they can't afford nothing else. Like Hero told the
story on social media about somebody she knew who was
in a multimillion dollar house and didn't have enough money
to feed her whole family, Right, you know what I mean?
So you have the house you have, Like that's the
thing about a house, How the value of the house

(42:18):
is in the house. Right, It's like one of those
things where you can't you don't realize the value unless
you like take out a second mortgage or you sell
the house. So you can buy a house that's a
million dollar, two million, three million, whatever and have it.
And so you have this great, very very wealthy asset

(42:43):
on paper. But it doesn't mean that it's giving you
any cash flow. And then on top of that, when
you're living in a place where your food is expensive,
your car is expensive. If you have a gas powered car,
your gas is like seven dollars a gallon in California,
What do you like, what are you doing? And we're

(43:04):
dealing with all this inflation and everything else, Like it's
impossible if you don't if you're not super rich, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
So so people, when I went to La it was
not cheap.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Was not cheap, No, absolutely, absolutely not. So people need
to get off of that man Like And at the
end of the day, I don't care how much money
they have. They're human beings. They're human beings. They're fellow Americans,
they're fellow citizens, and they and they suffering, struggling to
nobody wants to see a whole neighborhood burned to the ground.

(43:39):
Like that's just it's absurd, not tall your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, And I mean, everybody in California is not wealthy, right,
this is the biggest misconception in the World's Like, everybody
in la is not is not wealthy. They're working class
people and all over California too. They're probably more well
working class people all over California just based on your
numbers and populations, so like they you know, you know,

(44:06):
in contrad to also popular belief like the the Union
needs California to be to do well. We you know,
we need California to to be prosperous and to be
smart because a lot of our vegetation comes from there,
a lot of our farming comes from there. Like we
need California. You know, California has what the fifth or

(44:28):
sixth largest economy in the world, right, and.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
They're the largest, there's the largest state economy in this.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Country, so you know, they they're the state of California's
economy is like larger than the GDP of like.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
France, right, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
So you know, it's the if California was its own state,
it was its own nation, it would be but the
fifth or sixth largest economy in the world. So the
Union needs California to do well, and everybody in California
is not.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Is not well.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So you know, when you see basically the palisades are gone,
you know, you just got to hope that the rebuild
process is not going to be as long as that
there is no politics played with the with the rebuild
process because people are hurting. So yeah, this was this

(45:25):
was devastating and unfortunately, I mean it was just you know,
it's hard to see what could be done differently. I mean,
things happen, but really, California has been playing this game
of Russian Roulette with the wind for years.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Now, you're you're a little muffled, Dante said that, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, so, I mean there are things that could have
been done differently in preparation, but really, California has just
been playing Russian Roulette with the wind for a long time,
and they finally got the thirty forty fifty in some
cases sixty miles an hour wins. That just allowed this
fire because it's so dry out there that loudest fire
to spread. Like wow, no Pun intended. Uh well, maybe

(46:05):
Pun intended to just rip through the place. So you
gotta hope that they can that they can figure this
out here pretty soon, because like I said, the Union
needs California.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, California is very important. It is important state, and
and I'll hope they figure it out because I mean
a lot of this is natural, but the way that
it as bad as it was, the lack of prep
of proper preparation. A lot of that is is incompetence.
And California is the most beautiful state with the most

(46:41):
incompetent politicians in the history of this country. They're their
leaders are obscenely incompetent, and a lot of people in
California are pissed like they're they're pissed man. And so hopefully,
hopefully some things change on a lot of levels. H Robin,
did you have anything else? Yes?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
So I actually have just two more things real quick.
So the one I actually was telling you about that
you wanted me to kind of like still speak on.
So Cleveland sues the Browns over the planned move to
Brook Park.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Oh boy, So I'm gonna just say this off the top,
because I know this segment has run kind of long.
I am just giving a warning to Dante and myself
that we need to keep this part short because there's
a lot of stuff that can be said on this
Right now, I am going to say this, This entire

(47:46):
situation has been a mess, A complete and utter mess.
I don't know if it's going to get better. The
Browns sued the city of Cleveland in federal court. The
Ohio Attorney General is defending the city in federal court.

(48:09):
He actually filed a motion, I believe, this week to
dismiss saying that this shouldn't even be in federal court,
that the federal court shouldn't have any jurisdiction over this fight.
And now the City of Cleveland sued the Browns in
Cuyahoga County Court over all over something that I think

(48:34):
can be solved in five minutes, and I'm just going
to be as quick as I possibly can on what
I think they need to do. The issue is that
city officials, particularly the Mayor of Cleveland and the Cuyahoga
County Executive, are trying to force the Browns to stay

(48:58):
not just in the city of Cleveland, but in downtown Cleveland.
The Browns do not want to stay in downtown Cleveland.
They want a dome, and they can't put a dome
on where they're at on the lakefront because they're next
to Burke Lakefront Airport. The Cuyahoga County Executive has been

(49:23):
wasting a bunch of time saying, well, they should be
able to build on Burke Lakefront when it shuts down.
Here's the problem, The federal government doesn't want Cleveland to
shut Burke Lakefront down because Burke Lakefront Airport serves as
a reliever for Cleveland Hopkins. So if you're in this

(49:45):
area and when you go to fly somewhere, the reason
why most of the time, one of the reasons why
most of the time there aren't a ton of long
delays is because you don't have private planes and helic
opts from the Cleveland Clinic and all of these other
amateur flights and all of that. You don't have that

(50:06):
coming to Hopkins, that goes to Burke, And the Federal
Aviation Administration has already told them we're not in the
business of closing airports. So the only other way to
close Burke Lake Front Airport is to get Congress to

(50:27):
pass a law allowing Cleveland to close Burke Lake Front Airport.
How likely do you think that that is silence exactly?
That ain't gonna happen, And if it does happen, it
ain't gonna happen anytime soon because Congress has a hard
time getting in anything done, So they're wasting time, wasting money.

(50:52):
Now we're in court, using taxpayer dollars to fight each
other with the stupid lawsuit when all you have to
do is this, if they want to build in that
brook Park land, And for people who don't know, brook
Park is a suburb of Cleveland, and where they want

(51:13):
to build, where the Browns want to build the stadium
is right outside of the city of Cleveland limits. The
limits are right there brook Park. The city of brook
Park has forty three cops on staff, forty three for

(51:35):
the whole city. The city of Cleveland sends sixty cops
to the stadium, to Brown Stadium on football games. Brook
Park doesn't have the budget. Brook Park doesn't have the money.
They don't have the resources to do this. They just don't.

(51:57):
So the solution is simple, get the leaders of Cleveland
and the leaders of brook Park in a room and
work out a deal. Say look, you want our budget
is bigger than yours. You can't. And the Browns, by
the way, wants the public that's Meet You and Dante
to give to give them a billion dollars on this

(52:19):
project because the new stadium is gonna cost them two
billion dollars and they won't have that to be paid
by by the public, which is Meet You and Dante.
So with that being said, they don't care if it
comes from the state, comes from the local, comes from
the county. Whatever. Brook Park don't have the money, Cleveland

(52:42):
can put up more money than book Park can, and
then the state and then the county can put it
all together. Get everybody in a room, work out a deal.
Tell brook Park, look, we know you can't handle this.
We know you don't have the resources, you don't have
the couch, you don't have the manpower for something of
this magnitude. Why don't you let us annex that land

(53:02):
and make that land part of the city of Cleveland,
so that the Browns are technically still in the city
of Cleveland. And in exchange for that, we give you
half of the tax revenues that come from this project.
Because all you really want is the money. Anyway, cut
the deal, get the thing done, put it in the

(53:24):
city of Cleveland. Everybody goes on happy. Brook brook Park
makes money, the Browns get their dome, and Cleveland gets
to say that the Brown Stadium, that the new Brown
Stadium is still in the city of Cleveland. Everybody goes
home happy. Get this thing done.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Donton I like the plan. I like that idea. I
just you know, I am of the opinion now that
we are where we are because of a few certain
individuals in the city of Cleveland, and his is incompetence.

(54:05):
And once the hasbe's brought that, once the hasbm's closed
on that land in brook Park, this thing was done.
And it's going to be very difficult for you to
walk this back. And the city of Cleveland now has
to try and say face but this is you're on

(54:25):
defense now. Everything that Browns do, you have to find
a way to react to it. It's just not a
good place to be. And you could have been more
proactive about this from the start and been a better
partner with one of the few economic juggernauts that you
have in the city. So you know, I don't think

(54:47):
I think that's all posturing. When it comes to trying
to keep them actually on the lakefront, we know that
that's not going to happen. The other thing that is
a lever that I know he doesn't want to push
hasm does not want to use his own money to
build a stadium. But I really believe that if he
is backed into a corner that he will just say
forget it and do it. He does not want to

(55:10):
I don't believe he wants to, because who would want
to do that, right, But I do believe that when
you are dealing with a guy who does have the
means to do it. Some owners in pro sports can't
do that. They are relying on public funds to build stadiums.
Some guys are and some guys are not Hasm. Hasm
is not one of the people who can't do that.

(55:31):
He could if it came to shove, and I think
that would be obviously be a last resort, and that
would obviously be devastating for the city of Cleveland, because
then there's nothing you could do to stop that. But
I think ultimately, cooler heads should prevail. But it's just

(55:52):
so ironic that, you know, it's a mayoral election in
twenty twenty five, so you know, you know, it's just
it's just wonderful how that how the timing works out
on that, right.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's very interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
You know. I'll leave that at that. Uh, anything else?
Are you good to go?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
It was quite hilarious how you said it. Okay, So
I just have one last thing that I do want
to say. We do want to keep this extremely short.
I just wanted to give you guys a final u
the ending with a little laugh. We don't have to
really have opinions on this. I just think that this
is hilarious. So many people that grew up back in

(56:39):
the nineties. I don't even know how long this place
was open, even if it was open before we were
even old enough. But if you grew up on VHS's, yes,
you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Blockbuster.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
So Blockbuster wants to make a comeback. So the many
Blockbusters filed a trademark to come back in business as
a nightclub, bar, restaurant, and amusement park. This is going
to be very interesting, very interesting. How do you go

(57:17):
from VHS to a nightclub? Not look you come run
a movie or come make a movie.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That's crazy. On that note, we'll that's all while we're
going to break, we'll be we'll all be celebrating at
the Blockbusters Nightclub. All right, stay tuned. We have about
the hot takes coming over next here t SA pray out,

(58:00):
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Dante's Hot Takes, telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes
on the Outlaws Radio Show. So a man in Arizona
by the name of not a CoA Morris, according to
several news outlets, and he's sort of making the rounds

(59:04):
on social media now. It was this last Wednesday. He
pulled up to a drive through line at a Bikini
Bean Coffee in Tempe, Arizona, and he was approached by
an employee who was trying to take his order, and
that employee realized that this person did not that mister
Morris didn't have on or mister Malone didn't have on
any pants, and that he was pleasuring himself. The police

(59:29):
said that this person told her manager and that Malone
told her that Malone was at the drive through window,
still naked from the waist down. The manager whipped out
her phone and started taking a video of him, and
he was masturbating at the time, so he began to
go viral in the area, and a couple of days

(59:53):
later decided to kill himself. He was asked to leave
the you know the place, and then a few days later,
I guess the way that they found out was that
one of his closest friends had shared a post saying
that he shot himself, and the Marico Maricopa County Medical

(01:00:19):
Examiner on the eleventh said that it was a suicide.
So now members of his family and friends came up
to the coffee shop and were upset because he killed himself,
and I guess. TMZ and other news outlets have said

(01:00:39):
that they've reached out to the owner of the coffee
the coffee shop who tells them that their thoughts and
prayers are with the individual's family during this difficult time
and that this was an unfortunate tragedy and as a company,
the safety of their employees is always a priority. In
this case, the individual chose to commit a crime at

(01:01:00):
one of their locations, and we take incidents like that
very seriously and remain committed to protecting our team and
maintaining a safe and respectful environment. So a lot of
thoughts on this here. The first thing is I feel
horrible for this young man's wife and child. Looks like

(01:01:23):
he was recently married and they had a child in
twenty three so basically, you know, this child's not even
two years old yet. So this is a child now
that we'll grow up without a father and eventually, because
the internet will know why they're you know why the
father is, you know why their father is no longer there.
This is a woman now who has to not only

(01:01:46):
raise a child by herself instantly becomes a single mother,
but also has to bear the shame that her husband
was a freaked out criminal basically, and another thing that
we have to you know, suicide is nothing to play with,
right There does need to be a level of empathy

(01:02:09):
with that. There also needs to be a conversation about
why he was not intoxicated, So we can't blame this
on you know, drugs or alcohol, but why was he
in public at a coffee shop, masturbating.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Doing what is going on here?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
A couple of things run through my mind, Like you know,
I always go back to, is it pornography that's causing
a lot of these young men to be freaked out
in over sext? Is there a mental illness here that
was undiagnosed. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
But you don't get to make an excuse for sexually
exposing yourself to somebody and putting other people in complicated situations, right,
even if there is an undiagnosed mental illness, you don't
get the jerk off in a McDonald's, you know, or

(01:03:12):
just whip it out on the middle of a in
the middle of a plane, or in the middle of
a shopping plaza or at a coffee shop. That you
can't do stuff like that. And I don't you know,
A lot of people are upset that the manager exposed
him and put him on camera. I this if there

(01:03:32):
was no video, a story like this would be kind
of ridiculous to believe. I mean, it would be very
difficult to believe that a guy just pulled up in
a drive through line with no pants on it and
he was masturbating. And if you didn't have a like
you know, nobody wants to actually see that, but I
mean his face. No, people wouldn't believe it. You can say, well,

(01:03:54):
maybe she shouldn't have posted it, just show it to
the police, but I mean he shouldn't have violated them. So,
you know, I think the majority of our sympathies and
our empathy needs to be geared towards his wife and
child and the people who he loved because they lost
somebody who they didn't know to be a predator. But

(01:04:16):
I also think that the people who had to who
he assaulted need to have empathy as we need to
have empathy for them as well, because they didn't you know,
they were just going to work that day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
They were looking to take the next customer. They didn't
think that it was supposed that the next guy in
the drive through line was going to be naked and
yanking it. So I think this is a tragedy all
the way around. But it's very difficult for me to
look at him and not see him as the villain

(01:04:51):
in all of this because it's his actions that caused
a child to be fatherless, a woman to be a widow,
and maybe you know, people that worked at this restaurant
to be traumatized and now maybe they're in some sort
of danger.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
You know, there has been mh. I'm trying to figure
out how to put this. There is a lack of
concern in many circles for the safety of women and children.

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We've been having a lot of conversations about that. Nationally,
people have a right to be safe and comfortable and
not uh being around a sexual deviant creditor. And I

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want to make this clear. Obviously, the the suicide is unfortunate,
and my heart does go out to his family because
that's awful. That's just absolutely awful. But what he did

(01:06:12):
was very, very selfish. He wasn't concerned about the embarrassment
that it would lead, that it would bring to his family,
the shame that it would bring to his family. He
wasn't concerned about violating someone else's family. He wasn't concerned

(01:06:33):
about violating those women. It's not okay. And so I
think you can have sympathy for the final outcome. I
don't think anybody should be like Rob Rob, I'm glad

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he's dead. Like you can have sympathy for the final outcome,
you can have ash for the final outcome. It's unfortunate
that this man chose that instead of getting help. But
I don't understand how anybody can then get mad at
the woman who recorded it. You're getting mad at the

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woman who recorded the crime, not the person who committed
the crime. I don't understand that that does not compute
to me, Robin your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
I'm honestly on the fence about it, because you know
what Dante was saying before. Really, you know, if you
really think about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
It, recording it is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
However, it's not okay to put this child's future in
a situation that they're going to possibly be bullied and
that could also to lead to a suicide, you know,
things like that. So I think that, yeah, see, I'm

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on the fence of it. Because also at the same point,
I'm like, well, even if they did only take it
to the police, then only the police will know and
he'll get charged. But then if he gets released, other
people won't know, or his wife, you know, may not
know the truth, or you know, he may target other people.

(01:08:30):
But you know, I'm like, see, you see, I'm in
the fence of it with it. I try to think
on both sides, so I really I that that one
kind of got me a little conflicted.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, because I think I think anytime you have the
outcome that you have, that doesn't make anybody feel good,
right like, like, it's it's unfortunate that this man committed suicide.
It's just for me. I feel like he had no

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business doing what he was doing in the first place.
And so if someone records you, they record you because
you shouldn't have been doing it in the first.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
But see if you take a second to think about
this too, though, Darby, you know, I actually recently just
did some research on a mental breakdown, and you don't
know what people are like. No, it was not okay.
It was absolutely not okay because I probably would have

(01:09:32):
beat his listener. I probably would have jumped through that window.
I probably would. But however, we do also need to
keep in mind that somebody may, you know, they may
be on their last straw and they may be having
a mental emotional breakdown where they do need some medical assistance.

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They do need help because you know, when you're going
through something like that. Not saying that's what it is,
but I'm just saying the you know, possibilities when you're
going through a mental breakdown. You literally are not thinking straight.
You cannot see you're not thinking straight at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
You can You're.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
You're just not there, You're not present. So it could
be that. So I don't know, like in a way,
in a way that was also a form of bullying
by putting it on on social media, and then you know,
that could have also brought harm to his family and
still could bring harm to the family where people would

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be like, oh, you know, your husband, he's a blah
blah blah, you know, and they'll start trashing her house
or constantly, you know, harassing her and her child. So
it could be, you know, people got to think about
the you know, in every outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
The problem that I have with that though, is he
wasn't thinking about that exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
But did you just hear what I just said?

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
What I just that that is not a that is
not valid just because you are. You can be going
through whatever you're going through. That does you can't go
to a McDonald's and pull it out and start yanking it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
You do not your personal problems does not give you
a right to sexually assault someone else. You may be
going through something, but that doesn't mean that you have
the right to subject me to your bs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Yeah, so posting it on social media is a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Well, you cannot. You don't get the right to sexually
assault someone and then control how they reacts. A lot
of bounds, And this is what I agree with what
DARVYO was saying, where it's like we have we have
so much empathy for people who are going through things,

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but not the people who some people are hurting. Because
of that, we we can't just be like, well, you know,
we can't get to a place in society where we
feel so bad or we lay everything at the foot
of a mental illness that we let bad behavior go unchecked.
The truth of the matter is is that there is

(01:12:18):
one person at fault here. Unfortunately, he took his own life,
but he's the only person that did something wrong here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
See I'm not see I mean, whether he took his
life or not, that's his that's his life, and he
chose to do with it what he chose to do
with it. I'm thinking of the victor. Is something wrong right,
So I am thinking of the victim. However, however, I'm
also thinking his wife is also now a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
So he chose to make her a victim by taking
his life and see, here's my thing, though, here's my thing,
And like Robin, I understand where you're where you're coming from,
Like I get that perspective my thing, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Share that, like I share the fact that it's it's
it's a shame that his wife and kids have to
go through this, And I agree with you on that.
It's just to me, I still put that blame on
the husband because if you ain't out there doing what
you're doing, none of this happens, right, So that's that's

(01:13:26):
that's kind of the way. Like I I understand your perspective,
and I agree with where you're coming from in terms
of the concern about what you know, his children possibly
getting bullied and the things that his wife are going
to have to deal with. I agree with you those
are all To me, those are all valid concerns. I
guess the only difference is that I put the blame

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for all of that on him, because if he had
not did what he did, he wouldn't have been put
in the position for somebody to take their phone out
and record him in the first place, and post it
in the second place, and then for him to respond
by committing suicide in the third place, and like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
I said, I'm on the fence.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Yeah, because in theory, he's a predator.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Mm hmm, Yeah, that's what that is. I mean, he's
a predator, and let's keep it and let's keep it
a buck to Dante and Robin acknowledged this a little bit,
but I'm gonna like say it. I'm gonna tell it
like a t I is. You and I both know
dog On well, if that had been her and her
daughter walking by and saw him, that Robin would have

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killed him herself.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Right, totally different ball exactly. I don't think I'm necessarily
saying that she has empathy for him. I think she
empathy is more so for his wife and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
His wife and child, absolutely, which we both understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
But I think that the person who is to blame
for all of this is him. And I don't want
us to get to a place in society where we
start feeling so bad for predators and criminals that we
try to overlook bad behavior, because where does it end. Yes,

(01:15:08):
we have can I rob well, I've been struggling financially.
Can I rob a bank well? Because it was something
that would you feel bad for me though, like, and you're.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Making a good You're making a really really good point,
and I want to I want to touch on that
real quick. There are like many of these crimes, Like
there's there's only a few like psychopaths and social paths
who just do stuff just to do it. Most crime
is committed by people who have other things going on

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in their life and in their mind, Like most crime
is committed by people who have Like I've been told
this from people who work in the system, the vast
majority of people in jail right now have mental health issues.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yep, dios are undiagnosed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Correct now. That says something about the failures of our
mental health system. That says something about the failures of
us to invest and make sure that we're getting help
to the people that need it, even if you have
to force them to get help, which is something that
we don't like to talk about. That says a lot
about that. But at the same time, even though you

(01:16:15):
have these issues, there are still consequences to your actions,
you know what I mean. And I think we've gotten
into a situation and I think where Dante is coming
from is we've seen this in cities across this country
where we've gotten into situations where we've wanted to identify

(01:16:38):
with the culprit so much that we've gone to the
complete opposite end of the spectrum, and nobody's given a
damn about the victims. And so we can't have that.
We have to have like, yes, there are people that
have mental health issues, and those people need to get help.
It's like the it's like a woman here in Greater Cleveland,

(01:17:02):
the one that that unfortunately killed that child at the
grocery store in North Homestead, she had known documented mental
health issues and she needed she needed help, and it's
unfortunate that she didn't get help. But at the same time,
she didn't kill somebody's babies. So you got to go
to jail. Yep. Period. So that's so I get it,

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And I don't want to make it seem like this
is all so simple because you're dealing with like, you're
dealing with a whole bunch of different issues. You're dealing
with a whole bunch of complicated stuff. So I get that.
I can totally understand how someone is trying to figure
out how to navigate this stuff. I get that, but
it's just to me, he put his family in that situation.

(01:17:51):
He put his wife in that situation, he put his
child in that situation by doing what he did and
by not getting help to begin with, so that he
wasn't in the position to do what he did. Dante Lastars,
if you got any and they let him know how
to follow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I mean I just because, like you said, this
guy clearly has something wrong, had something wrong with him
normally a very stable individual, because stable individuals are not
you know, half naked masturbating in a in a whatever,
you know, cocoa being coffee shop parking that that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
That's not normal, like normal people don't do exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
So very clearly he something was off. But you don't
get to, like I said, you don't get to get
naked and run around McDonald's or a Wendy's or or
a Starbucks just because you got you know, life is
beating you down. That's that. That doesn't it doesn't work
like that otherwise, you know, it be naked people running

(01:18:54):
all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
That's right, because we all dealing with something, everybody going
through something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
So it's like you can't you know, I don't have
as much money as I would like. Can I go
down to p and c and like shoot everybody and
take the money. Like would you feel bad? Like, well,
I mean he needed the money, Like he got three
kids at home, Like I mean, do we feel bad
for the guys?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Like no, man, you gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
You can't hurt innocent people because you deal with something
like that's not how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So and you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
You definitely don't get to violate women simply because you
know whatever you're going through, what is causing you to
you know, be horny. You know you can't do you
can't violate women. And like you said, Robin know that too.
And I don't think Rob Robin was talking about his
wife and kids, because she would have flipped out if
you been the person if somebody came if a due

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random dude came in her job and got button necked
and started beating, and so man, she'll flip out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
He would have killed him exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
So who you don't need a camera.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
I don't even want to know how you respond in
that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I hope to God, I pray to gain we need
to do say this real quick, danta. I pray to
God that that never happens. I pray to God that
that never happens, because I know how Robin is going to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Respond collect cause you will not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
You will not well actually, I mean you be a here.
I mean you probably be a hero. You probably have
to raise bail for you, because again, I don't believe
that people who get assaulted or get violated should have
to be like have to react a specific way, Like
we can't put them in a box based on like
this man, this is set that's sexual assault. Yes, he

(01:20:38):
assaulted these women and he's a predator. They reacted. The
onus is on him. So you know, if you did
do that, Robin at that time, I may not accept
your collect cause out of principle, but I would definitely
help raise bail and we would.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I would definitely We're gonna have spread.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Definitely fight because you would be you would have done
the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
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Hopefully that's all. That's all the place that you have,
that's the only place you have to follow her and
not have to follow her and sell block.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
But if they don't, if if they don't, if they don't,
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