October 24, 2025 • 59 mins
NBA insider Sam Amico from Hoopswire.com joins the show to talk about the NBA's gambling scandal.
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And I was just about to.
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Say that there are things in the news. There are
three topics that I know you and I talk about
and follow extensively, and they're all together, basketball gambling, and the.
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Mafia and and and are and presidential pardons.
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Yes, that's gonna come up later and as well, so
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the major news of the day.
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Robin.
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Is on, but do you remember? Okay, okay, So so.
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When we when we go to break will we'll we'll
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literally just remembered. Oh yeah, that's right. But anyway, miss O'Malley,
how are you.
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I'm actually good. Yeah, I'm good. Not much has been
going on, you know, Uh, just kind of been focused
on a few things. One of the topics we talked
about last week. I've kind of been like super hyper
focused on that, just kind of focused on the safety
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of the children in our city and just things that
have been going on. So I think I've just been
more focused on that other than not like not much.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, good good.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
But yeah, there's there's a lot of stuff going on
on that front too. For those of you who missed
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check that out as well. And here are the things
we were discussing.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That Robin was just alluding to last week.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
All Right, we have a special interview that we're gonna
get to right now. We have a very special guest
on this show today. He is a friend of the show.
He's been on this show before. I couldn't think of anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Who would be better, more perfect.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
This is a perfect the perfect person to talk to
about the breaking news. He is the founder and senior
NBA writer at Hoopswire. Dot Com NBA insider The Goat,
Sam Amico, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How you doing, Sar?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. I know that
when you get called the goat, that means I always
think the O and that stands for old, So I
will accept it only for that reason.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Oh you're still young. Try So okay, let's just start here.
Big scandal in the NBA for people who aren't aware
or don't know all the details, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, you know, I mean, you wake up this morning
and and you know, so often in the NBA we're
shocked with things, right, I mean February Luka Don should
just traded, you know, But it's usually that kind of
stuff where a guy is traded or years ago Kevin
(06:45):
Durant signs with the Warriors, you know what I mean.
So it's always related to positive things, really, I mean
things that are related to basketball. Where this obviously with
Chauncey Billups and Terry Rosier from from Shaker Heights and
and Damon Jones previously of the Cavaliers, and you know,
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a federal gambling probe which we had heard Terry Rogier
linked to it before, but it seemed like he was,
you know, just kind of a subject of the investigation
and not like the key guy in it. It was stunning,
you know, and what a terrible look for the league,
you know, after everybody opened. Obviously, we had the small
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openers the other night with four teams playing, and then
last night was the big opening game for everybody. Everybody played,
and then the next morning this comes out with a
federal investigation and arrests made and you know, links to
the mafia. It's just it's just a bad, a bad look.
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And obviously, you know, as far as we know, there's
only a couple of people involved. But I mean you're
talking about a head coach of one of your teams, right,
Chauncey Billups, a legend in the game, a guy who's
you know, has a reputation for being in a league
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full of great guys, one of the really most rounded,
nice people in the league. So you know this, this
obviously really hurts when you're going into twenty five twenty
six season and guys you think about, you know, they
just got a new media rights deal, right, I mean,
(08:42):
NBC and Amazon are probably like, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You know, So beyond that, it's hard to tell now,
you know, I'm not trying to make excuses, but these
are allegations, right, and until this is proven, you know,
you still have some ability to say face. But social media,
of course, we know that nobody gets a fair trial,
(09:07):
right as soon as soon as something like this comes out,
you're guilty is charged, right, So that narrative is a
bad look for the league. And you know, the if
this were local law enforcement or something, I think I
might be a little more like, well, let's see how
it plays out. But you know, the FBI rarely rarely misses, right,
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I mean you're talking about federal investigation. So you know
how if you're obviously fans of the NBA are thinking, well,
what about the integrity of the game. Maybe these are
just the guys who got caught, you know, fair or not.
Those are the questions that are people are asking, and
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it it just it hurts the integrity of the league,
whether it was just these two or three individuals that
have been arrested, you know, and really hope it ends
there and I suspect it will, but it just, you know,
it makes you wonder about some things about the league, especially,
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you know, especially Chauncey Billups. It's like, gosh, head coach
one game into the season, coach one game, Yeah, he
got arrested. It's just, you know, it's it's hard to
explain how obviously I read the headline the NBA rocked
by these arrests, and that's exactly what That's the right
(10:39):
word rocked, because that's that's where it is right now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Absolutely, We're talking with Sam Anko from mooswire dot com.
So there's two kind of separate but linked cases because
some of the the people involved are connected to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So you have the Chauncey Billups.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Situation where it is alleged that he and I believe
Damon Jones was involved in that as.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, allegedly.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Were involved in a poker game rigging scandal that involved
four of the five families of the mobs. Like this
is like some movie stuff, right, And then you have
the Terry Roseier alleged situation. And to me, and I'd
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love your thoughts, Sam, I think it's all bad and
dangerous and damning for the league.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But to me, the.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Terry Roseier allegation and the Damon Jones part about him
allegedly leaking injury information, and Chauncey is alleged to do
to have done the same thing. I think for the
league directly, those two things, in particular, Terry Rose, you're
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allegedly faking an injury to cover her the under and
Damon Jones and Chauncy Billips allegedly providing inside information for
people to be able to bet on. I think those
are the things. The poker thing is bad and doing
stuff with the mob is real.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Real bad. Yeah, I think those.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Two when it comes to the league itself, those are
probably the most damning and damaging to the image of
the league.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
What you're what are you saying that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Absolutely? Yeah, And when you're talking about the NBA itself, right,
that's that's where the league itself would be particularly concerned,
Which is, you know, and it's easy to do in
one hand, you don't think about it, where like say,
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you know, there are top times where I get information
about who's starting tonight or who's hurt, and not as
often now. But when I was really like headfirst into
the Cavs beat, the PR would say, you know, here
these five guys are starting, you know, to kind of
let you tweet it out before the game. Well, if
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they're telling me. You know, at that point, they obviously
know who's starting two hours before the game. So somebody
like Chauncey Billups, for instance, would know. Damon Jones if
he's you know, Lebron innocently saying yeah, I'm out tonight,
you know, then then Damon Jones allegedly using that to
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feed that information to you know, somebody betting on the
game or whatever. It starts as innocent, maybe like hey,
you know what is Lebron on playing tonight? You know
what I mean, can come across as innocent. But if
you think about, okay, well there's a lot of money
at play here, and I work for the league and
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work in the league, then it becomes a crime, right,
And that's where the NBA, You're exactly right, that's where
that is a bad look even worse than the poker thing.
Like you said that the gambling or the poker thing
is bad, but this when it comes to the NBA,
you know, it raises that level of suspicion. And we
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saw that this year, you know, with the Guardians and
and you know, you just hope, you just hope it
goes away sooner rather than later. If you're the NBA
if you're the Portland Trailblazers. Yeah, I mean as an organization,
it's like man, our head coach who we just signed
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to a contract extension, really had us on the up
and up. It's just I'm sure it's difficult for everybody
to process and it's it's stunning.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
We're talking with Sam Amiko from hoopsware dot com. Dante
go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
So Sam, a couple of high level questions here for you.
What do you think this does for Adam Silver? We
talked about the league, but how do you think this
reflects on Adam Silver's time as commissioner? And I'm sure
you've heard these rumors, but there had been rumors for
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a while now that maybe even after Adam Silver was
done as the commissioner in the NBA, maybe he would
want to look at other jobs, like succeeding Bob Iger
at Disney, Like, what do you think this How does
this taint his tenure and maybe his future?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I think that
anytime something like this happens under your reign or you know,
when you're the head of an organization, it's obviously going
to reflect poorly on you. Fair or not.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I don't think it's going to taint him too much.
You look at you know, years ago, when David Stern
was a commissioner and the NBA had the whole Tim
Donahey officiating scandal, Right, this was something that David Stern
had to fight off and it became part of his legacy,
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even though you know, he really had nothing to do
with it. Here you had officials betting on or at
least one official betting on games, and that that became
part of his legacy and it probably led to a
little bit of an earlier retirement for him. You know.
So it's gonna depending on how far this goes and
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how long this goes. If this is something the worst
case scenario for the NBA is this drags on for
you know, six months. The best way to get over
something like this is for it to be resolved quickly
so that people can forget about it. And I think
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a lot of basketball fans, probably the majority of them,
we love the games, right, I mean, we're watching the
games and we're gonna view this as nothing more than, oh,
these guys really screwed up. Now give me, you know,
give me the Pacers and the Thunder tonight in the
finals rematch, you know, so I think that we focus
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more on that, and that could be to answer your question,
you know, more of a saving grace for somebody like
Adam Silver, who who if I had to take a
stab at it, had no prior knowledge of any of this,
you know what I mean. And it's really not his
job tack this policeman for every head assistant, coach and
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every player. His jobs to make sure that the league
is popular and you know, making money. That's his main job.
And to institute help institute rules with the help of
the team owners and the basketball operations part of the
league office, which now of course is James Jones, former
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cav Is. So you know, I think that's really what
his main goal is. But yeah, something like this, if
it drags on fairer not to him, I think it
will definitely impact, you know, it could impact the worst
case scenario, his future as the commissioner of the league,
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other positions as you mentioned, you know, like if he
was going to replace a Bob Igar at Disney, or
replace anybody in any kind of corporate job, in a
big position. I certainly think this is something that would
impact him if it drags out, If it goes away
fairly quickly, you know, it'll be forgotten pretty quickly, do you.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Think And this is kind of also about silver, but
also the NBA everything now is sponsored by these gambling platforms, right,
So I mean we've got fan Duel here and Draft
Kings there and Caesar's and MGM. Right, everything is sponsored
by this. But also as the NBA we know is
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looking to expand, right, We've heard about potentially investments into
Europe or expansion into Europe or even Middle Eastern wealth
funds right within global investments.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
So like, do you.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Think that the maybe now this cloud if it doesn't
go quickly then also just the infusion of money to
the point where it's like everybody's at least a little
complicit because the gambling platforms are everywhere, and now foreign investment,
do you think all of this could maybe taint some
(20:09):
of that or maybe draw questions like darbyl was saying
earlier to like the integrity of the league, or maybe
should we hold off on certain expansions even too news
like do you think this could halt plans?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah? Yeah, certainly. I you know, I almost have no doubt.
We could start with NBC and Amazon, you know, raising
eyebrows already, you know, and here they are a game.
Amazon hasn't even broadcast the game yet, but you know,
here we are brand new season, brand new media rights deal,
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brand new partners, you know, and I'm sure that the
league has had conversations with them like as hey, you know,
you are, for lack of a better word, as all
pro sports are. We are now in an era where
sports are in bed with gambling companies, right, and betting companies,
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and and you know, look, I you know the show
I'm on with with Booby Gibson's on FanDuel Sports Network, right,
I mean, so this really covers everything now with sticking
to the NBA. Obviously NFL, MLB hockey whatever, but sticking
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to the NBA. Yeah, I mean, this is this is
a big deal our guys. You know, injury reports now
have become a bigger deal because of all this gambling
that's that's become legalized, and that the that the leagues
are encouraging because they're now benefiting financially from these places.
So yeah, to answer your question, certainly, questions among whether
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you know, expansion European expansion money from other countries involving
the NBA, you know, certainly, And guys, let me tell you,
I I never realized when I first got into this job,
like you know what, I probably should have got a
business degree too, because I am learning so much about
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this stuff as I'm writing writing about it, and it's
it really is. It can be all encompassing and really
impact the league in many ways, you know. And they
always say, you know, a few and a few quote
unquote bad apples can ruin the whole thing, you know,
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And and I don't think this is going to be
that case, but worst case scenario, it could. It could
really really harm the league financially.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Talking with Sam A.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Miko from hoops Wired dot com, Dante, I know you
had another question go right here.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Yeah, you mentioned Sam you mentioned earlier about the cloud
that was the Tim Donaghy scandal and how that led
to so many more conspiracies that maybe we're rooted in
truth we don't know, like unfortunately, we probably never would know.
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Do you think that this because it's also about like
what players are doing in games or what information did
Chauncey Billups give or not give? Do you think that
this going forward has the potential to hurt the league
from a perception perspective, just in that. I mean, as
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we all know as sports fans, if people if the
casual fan thinks the game is rigged, they're out.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Do you think that.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
This has a width on top you know, the Donague
scandal twenty years ago. Now this if we don't know
how widespread it is, but I'm sure people have can
guess like maybe they weren't the only guys that the
d o J seems to say that they're will be
more arrest coming in this probe. So like, do you
think that had this has the potential if it doesn't
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go quickly and quietly, to sort of ruin maybe the
league's credibility long term?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I think I think it could for for a
little bit. It has that potential. You know, to me,
it always seems like casual fans of any sport are
looking for reasons not to watch, you know what I mean,
they're always and then they're always announcing why they don't watch. Yeah,
but you know so, and I think that's you know,
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true of true of anything, but the NBA certainly, I
don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm so entrenched in
the NBA and have been for so long. I always
feel like, you know what, do you care what the
ratings are or care what the the uh? You know, Oh,
I'm not watching the regular season toil the playoffs, or
I'm not watching basketball because all they do is shoot threes.
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It's like, well, you know what, then don't watch. You know,
all I care about is that I watch. I don't
care what, you know what I mean? So I think that, yes,
let me say this, the NBA, every sport, and particularly
the NBA really needs casual fans because Diehard's like us,
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we're gonna watch anyway, you know, we're not. Hey, you
know what. I don't love the idea of the ncit'son tournament,
but I'll watch it, you know, and it's basketball. I
love basketball. I'm gonna watch it. Whereas I feel like
the casual fans are always looking for an excuse and
this really gives them another reason to not pay attention.
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And you know, yes, you need those casual fans. You
need those people who are gonna say, you know what.
I don't follow the cabs super close, but go into
a game on a Friday night with my kids and
spending the money and spending the T shirts and then
maybe getting into it more. From that standpoint, you need
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those people because those are the people who are really
making you money. You know, the diehards. We're always going
to be there. You don't need to keep us. We're
going to, you know, if the league, regardless of what
happens with the league, because we love the sport, We're
going to continuously follow it. So I know I'm kind
of talking in circles here, but I do believe that, yes,
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you know, it has that potential when somebody may view
it like, well, this is you know. I remember after
Tim Donahey scandal, people were just like, you know, this
is just like WWE. It's like almost like it's scripted,
you know, and would lose interest. And I'd have friends
who would say that, and I never believed that. Whether
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I was right or wrong, I don't know, but I
don't think the Indiana Pacers and Oklahoma City Thunder are
going to be the teams that the league would script
into the finals. So, you know, I've never really believed that,
But you know, people on the outside that are just
kind of I almost say, like I'm a casual baseball
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fan like, you know, and if I when I see
stuff like this, I'm kind of like, what's going on there?
You know, I don't think I'd lose interest, but it
would make me probably second guess. If it were something
that was, you know, a lot more arrests than this
and a lot bigger scope than than what happened today,
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then I would probably be like, yeah, that that league's
a mess, and I'm not interested. But I think it
would have to get bigger for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Sam.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I know you have you have sources with cash, you
have sources across the league. What are they saying about this?
What are what are people in the league saying? How
are they reacting to this?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Uh? You know, the people in the league that I've
contacted today and talked with today are like us right there,
They're stunned, just no clue, especially you know, with Terry
Rogier a little bit only because it's not as shocking
it seems like to the people that I've communicated with,
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because he had already been linked to some stuff, you know,
over the summer, this kind of stuff was starting to
be brought up about him, so we had heard his name,
but the Chauncey Billups stuff. Nobody seemed to know about that,
and that that really caught people off guard. The people
who do know Damon Jones were also surprised by this.
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You know, listen on the team planes sometimes, you know,
there are some really really intense poker games, and there's
been times, not with anybody currently in the NBA that
I'm aware of, but you know, ten fifteen years ago,
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some of these poker games and this is just normal.
I mean, this isn't bad, but they were throwing a
lot of money on the table and it would get intense. Sometimes,
you know, the coaches and the gms would have to say,
you know what, no more poker on the plane. It's
getting too intense. Guys are getting too heated. So I mean,
you know what I mean. Wow, So yeah, this is
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this has been an ongoing thing when you know, people
might see Damon Jones on the team playing playing poker
and getting intense and stuff, but nobody pictured this. Nobody
envisioned it leading to any kind of federal probe involving
games or any of this. So it's really it's really
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interesting how all of a sudden we've legalized this and
it's become such a bigger part of sports, and now
now all of a sudden, athletes and coaches are getting arrested,
whereas before we didn't hear about any of this. So
I don't know if that's connected or not, but I
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just find it very coincidental that we weren't having these
issues until all of a sudden. You know, maybe in
college sports, before the college athletes started getting paid, you know,
there were the scandals and fifty seventy years ago or whatever.
But now it's like, all of a sudden, we're hearing
about this and everything. We're hearing about baseball, NBA and
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you know, NFL who knows? So to me, that's the
most interesting part. And I think that, you know, the
people around the league that I was able to communicate
with or are just as shocked as the rest of us.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
We're talking with Sam Anko from hohoswired dot com and
before we let you go, we've been talking so much
about basketball without talking about actual basketball. Correct, Oh, let's
transition to that real quick. Tonight at seven point thirty,
the Cavaliers play.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The Brooklyn Nets.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Obviously, they played the Knicks for the season opener. They
lost one nineteen to one eleven. I have been seeing
some folks that are already like wanting to call you
what's coming?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I know what's coming ahead, So.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
What do you what are your thoughts? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Like, obviously it's too early for people to be pulling
the fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Correct, absolutely, yes they're gonna anyway, But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Who was your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What was your thoughts on the game? What are you
in this very very very early assessment?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
And also to like, the Cavaliers were missing key players,
so you can't really like there's.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So much more to that, but just your your thoughts
on the game.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Your thoughts on how the Cavs look good and bad,
and also your thoughts on the freak out that some
people are having right now.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah. Well, first of all, as far as freak outs,
I learned to stop trying to control that years ago
because I was like, I'm like, you know what, the
word fan is short for fanatical, right, so that means
not much perspective, right, So I just let him freak
out because it's like, listen, this is this is almost
(32:32):
like just a small extension of the preseason, right, if
not a big extension of it. It's just you've got,
we're going to be doing this. Baseball is going to
end and start again before we even get to the playoffs.
So there's such a long way to go. We're going
to be doing this regular season part all the way
(32:54):
to the middle of April, and you have all the
way until the mid or Earlybruary to make trades and
revamp things that you think you need. The Calves did
that last year, right, they were rolling and they're like, yeah,
well we're going to go out and get DeAndre Hunter
because we think we we still need a piece. So
(33:15):
so much can and will change between the first game
in game eighty two. Now that said, the first game,
ninety percent of what I saw I liked from the Calves.
Even when they got down, I'm like, look, this is
the way it's supposed to go. They don't have their
all star point guard. They don't have whether you say
(33:35):
DeAndre Hunter or Max Struce is your starter, then you
don't have another starter. And whichever one of those guys
isn't starting is your is your six man? Is your
best six man, your best guy off the bench. So
you're missing three guys that are very valuable and you're
playing at Madison Square Garden. You're not even at home,
(33:57):
and it's the season opener, and you have have new
faces like Lonzo Ball coming in, Larry and anst junior
obviously been here before, but you know he hasn't played
with this group. And then you have, of course, you're
working in your rookie Tyreese Proctor. So when they started
to get fall behind him like it's over, and then
(34:18):
all of a sudden, Donovan Mitchell goes nuts, which is
a credit in the third quarter of credit to his
greatness and a credit to obviously the coaching staff as
well for making those adjustments, because the Knicks were really
throwing a lot of bodies at him in that first
half and he wasn't able to score. So I thought
there were a lot of promising things, just as promising
(34:39):
if they had won. I just kept, guys, I kept
sitting there thinking, you know, if this if the if
the Knicks came to Cleveland and we're without three of
their top players in Cleveland, uh, and gave the Calves
this good of a game, as good of the game
as the Calves gave the Knicks last night, I'd be
(35:00):
like worried about the Calves a little more even if
the Calves had won, because I'd be like, they're without
three of their guys and they're playing us really tough
in our building, and you know we should have blown
them out by now. So I thought the Calves looked
like the sixty four and eighteen team. You know, it's
just you just happened to open the season, as opposed
to say at Brooklyn or at you just happened opening
(35:23):
your season had a title contender like you are. So
one of those teams had to lose. And I thought,
for the most part, the fact that the Calves were
there with a minute and a half left, missed the
three that would have put them down. One I thought
that they were for the most part was good. Look
Jared Allen, you know he's going to have that cloud
(35:43):
over him when you go to you went to a
place where you said the lights are too bright two
years ago, and then you go in there and you don't.
You look like you're not ready. Yeah, you're gonna hear
it from the fans. It's fair not you're going to
hear it. And you know that's that's chart though, And
I don't say that as a negative. He's a guy
who's gonnat. I have nights like that. That's just who
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he is. And I think that he really misses Garland.
He works very very well with with Darius Garland. I
think that that hurts his productivity. But he's got to
and he knows this. We're not saying anything he doesn't know.
He's got to do better than four rebounds, and I'm
sure he will, you know, I'm sure he'll get those
(36:27):
double doubles like he always does. It's just first game,
you know, after a year, after team said you weren't
physical enough or fan said you weren't physical enough, and
then come out and have four points and four rebounds. Yeah,
that's it's only human nature. You're gonna hear about it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
All right, sir.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Let everybody know how to follow you on social media,
how to keep up with your writings.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
All you plug all your shows. You're very popular.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
You got like eighty seven different shows, so plug bulls
as well.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well. I appreciate that. I don't I don't know that
I'm popular, but I do have a I do have
a lot of shows that I hope that some people
will watch rather than my mom and frankly I don't
really guarantee her, but you can you could. You can
read me at hoopswire dot com. I try to get
twelve fifteen posts up a day from around the NBA,
(37:26):
try to kind of round everything up what's going on,
not just not just the news everybody knows, but you
know a lot of quotes and stuff from the players
and coaches from around the league. So that's that's really
my big thing that I really place most of my
focus on is the website. Follow me at Miko hoops
on Twitter or x and hoops Wire Live. I do
(37:50):
my own YouTube show where I just kind of deep
dive into the caves every Friday at noon. That streams
live and is always there on YouTube. It's just hoops
Wire Live on YouTube. And of course I do the
show for Big Play Sports Network with Daniel Booby Gibson
and Rafa Hernandez Brito, which is on It's on the
(38:16):
Big Play Network every Thursday at six o'clock I believe
or seven, and all throughout the week on the fan
Duel Sports Network Ohio, usually before and after the Cavs
pre and post game shows.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
All right, fantastic, Thank you so much, Sam for breaking
down this.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Crazy news with us man and helping us out. We
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I hope, I hope, I hope I was able
to help. But I really appreciate you guys having me on,
and I look forward to future visits as always.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Absolutely, Yes, sir, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
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Speaker 2 (39:16):
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Speaker 4 (39:31):
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws Radio Show.
You all right, chall oh, I mean my tea time
isn't that hot, but it's hot. I mean kay Lannie,
kay Lannie is pretty you know, she pretty fine, But
that is who we're talking about. Kay Lannie. If you
(39:52):
heard her song called Folded, everybody loves it. I don't
care who it is, Everybody loves it. Even your grandma.
Everybody loves it. So a lot of people have remixed
Kailani's song Folded, which just came out not long ago,
really recently. And I can start with Tony Braxton, Brandy, Jojo,
(40:16):
Mario Neo.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And Tank.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
These are all well, I'll say, at least yea three
of them. Potentially in my opinion, maybe four are considered
in the legends, maybe two of them. So I would
say Tony Braxton and Brandy at least two of those
(40:40):
at least to get to remix her song. Like she
didn't even do it. Everybody said, what's the name of
that movie where you collect the Infinity Stones?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh? Come on, was an Avengers movie?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Right, yes, Aures, So that's what everybody is saying, that
she has been collecting Infinity stones by collecting all these legends,
And I thought that was so dope just thinking about this,
if you take a step back and you think about this,
darbym never in the history of life that I since
(41:20):
I have been on this earth, I have never seen
this done. I have never seen this happen where multiple
legends have all done a remix to somebody's song. And
not only did they all do a remix. It is
all being collaborated into a remix. So she's calling it
(41:42):
the get Ready for the Homage package includes remixes of
the hit song folded and that does have every one
of those artists that I did name, And that's that's awesome, man,
that's this is her year, This is Kline's year, and
I love that for her.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
So I have to tell y'all a secret.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
I don't know that song.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I am absolutely upset right now for you to admit
that on air, Dario.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't know that song. I just had to keep
it on.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
And y'all know I love music. I work in music.
I'm around music all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I love all the people that you said. But I
just don't know that song.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
No chance, you don't know that song.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
No, I don't. And I know I don't like Colonic,
but I don't know that song.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
You y'all, y'all, y'all, damn, lie, y'all, lie listen. Don't
get me upset now.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm sorry, man, I just had to be honest.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Okay, you know what, I cannot believe you know what.
It's okay, it's me. I'm I'm I'm slacking in that department.
I should have been had y'all hip, So that SA's
on me. That's on me. I'm gonna get y'all hip.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Though it sounds it sounds like something I would y'all,
y'all know what I like.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Y'all know what I.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Listen, and you will and will like something I would
like and will you will most definitely like. Listen. I'm
on my way to send it right now.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I just don't know it.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
So so don't don't come for me. Don't come for me, y'all,
or my co hosts, don't come for me.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Come for them, come for their next All right, listen.
Dante already was in the hot seat, and now this
is added to it.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
That I said, I couldn't lie to you. I really
don't know it.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I had to be honest, Dante.
I had to be honest. I'm like, I don't know
the song.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, there's no way you guys did not hear. It
has been used multiple times on by so many people
on their their pictures, their posts, they use it. You
probably have heard it and did not realize it.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Here's here's the truth, Robin and Dante. You can say
how you feel on this as well. But most of
the time when I'm on social I've gotten like people
have gotten mad at me before. Sometimes they be like, well,
you ain't like my stuff. I didn't see your stuff,
because most of the time when I'm on social media,
(44:29):
I'm either on social media to promote something or I'm
on social media to interact with something, and then I
get off like I'm not. I don't really doom scroll
all like that. I try not to. Sometimes I do,
but I try not to so a lot of times,
unless you're someone that I interact with all the time,
(44:51):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Gonna see it.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'm just not gonna see.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
It because I don't. I don't use social media like that.
So like the way I use it is to eat.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To promote something, to say something that I'm thinking and feeling,
or to interact with the people I regularly interact with.
Sometimes I'll get on social media to say something and get.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
So, so Dante, I don't know what your if you
have a similar process social people, but something like this
may be in a bunch of people's videos that don't
mean I saw it.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
And most of the time I'm going to scroll with
the volume down anyway, because.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
If I'm scrolling on social media, it's probably because I'm like, oh,
I'm watching the game or you know, And so most
of my timeline is going to be filled with that
not you know, Kanie So and I like her, I
actually like her music, but I'm not I'm not hip
at all.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I just want you to know. I've been over here
making faces the entire time. My facial expressions were very loud.
You just I'll be I'll get y'all hip, though, I'm
gonna get yall together.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Move on to the next one. So the next topic is, actually,
I don't know if you I mean to me, she
is a legend to me, she is a legend. But
in this story, ooh, sis down bad. But so Jennifer Lopez,
y'all know who Jennifer Lopez is. Don't play with me,
(46:19):
of course. Okay, okay, So Jennifer Lopez went to went
onto an interview. She was on The Stern Show. So
Jennifer Lopez got on there saying that she feels that
she has never been loved or capable quote unquote. So
(46:43):
her ex husband gets online and he goes in on says,
he's saying.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Way.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
He say.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
This is in reference about the recent interview on the
or the Howard.
Speaker 9 (46:57):
Stern, He said, Stern, not even but anyway Stern show,
where my ex wife Jennifer Lopez aka j LO said
that she never been loved or capable.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your
victim card. The problem. It's not us, not me the problem.
It's you. You the one who couldn't keep it in
your pants. You have been loved a few times. You've
been married four times. He should have put this after that.
(47:30):
I don't know, but anyway, and have had countless relationships
in between. You have had good relationships me for example.
He like, there is actually like at least a solid
four more pages, and he like he went on and
on and on about her career and oh he went
(47:52):
in on her, but to call her out and be like,
you've been loved. He basically told her, you are the problem.
You are the problem. I mean, yes, I won't. I'm
in this situation. I will not disagree. I love j
Low her music, Oh my god, I always rocked out
to her music and I'll still play it like it
(48:13):
just came out but married four times, diabolical, Like that's crazy.
It's crazy four times and none of them worked out.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I'm gonna let Dante go to this.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
One first, setting Dante up the.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
Lad Sir, listen all the old Jesus tell you back
in the day, stay out in women's business.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
I tell you that for a reason, because you gonna
be wrong.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
So my response is, yeah, well, I mean, Jayla's been
married four times, a lot of public relationships.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Mm hmm, that's her business.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
She probably, I mean, obviously there's she's either picking the
wrong guy or something is wrong with her.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
You know what I'm saying, Like you always.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Right here said you decided to lie, to cheat on me,
and even though I stayed, I even tried to keep
the marriage going and alive.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Mm hmm. Maybe that's tough.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I you know, bel is a that's an interesting that's
she she's an interesting one because like she.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
It's gonna be another guy that's gonna take a chance. Yeah,
because she's jail, it's gonna.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
Be another guy that's gonna take that chance. So you know,
I that's tough, man. I thought I actually thought that
it was gonna.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
Work with her. Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
Man, I just kind of thought like, oh, they're kind
of perfect for each other a little bit so.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, and then she got back with Matt Damon. Uh
that was Matt Damon, right.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I can't keep putting, see what I'm saying, Like, I
can't keep up.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So she's she went back. She suckled the block.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Thought that would work, but you know, hey, it'd be
like that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
She just got to keep trying.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
Yeah, keep trying is crazy. Keep trying, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
Shoul should give up on finding love.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I think she should begin learning to love herself. You're
not going to find love unless you love yourself. And
you can't just be like I do love me. You
don't if you keep like if there's something you it
appears there's something that you're searching for, like you can't
find it. There's something you're searching for. Something's missing. Nothing
(50:49):
is making you feel happy or like you feel If
you feel that you have to go cheat. If you
feel or this, you've been in four marriages. That means
there is something that you you are missing and that
is more than likely you need to find you. You
need to love yourself first.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
Okay, So before we get doctor Robin the Psychiatrist started,
I'm just saying we're gonna get out of it here
and get ready for Dante's I Take.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Stay tuned, you're listening to the.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
Outlaws, true sir, law, pay up.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
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(51:58):
And now the first time in a long time, it's
time for Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Tell them the truth.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
On the out Laws radio show. Right.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
So, as the world turns in the NBA, it also,
of course turns in Washington, d C. Where President Trump
gave a pardon to Jau Japang, the CEO or former
CEO of Binance.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
People just call him CZ it's easier. He's one of
the wealthiest men in the world.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
But Binance is a cryptocurrency trading platform. People go on
there and they trade bitcoin, ethereum, alternate coins, whatever, doge coin,
whatever meme coined you have. And Binance came under screw
me a few years ago because Binance, as the FCC
(53:06):
and DOJ and other finance regulatory committees have said they
have prioritized growth and profit over regulatory and anti money
laundering policies. So CZ, the CEO former CEO, was actually
(53:28):
convicted on a money laundering charge. And it has been
alleged and Wiley accepted as true that Binance has allowed
money laundering by notorious groups such as.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Hamas and.
Speaker 7 (53:50):
Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in the Middle East,
and gun runners and anyone else who you could think
of to money launder.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Binance has the same turned the other way, and that's
why their CEO was convicted.
Speaker 7 (54:03):
So Trump, President Trump providing Cz a pardon raised some
eyebrows because Binance hosted and propped up Trump's mean coin,
trump Coin on the site, and so a lot of
people have been saying, well, this man is obviously very corrupt,
(54:28):
he is allowed money laundering and fraud. Why is the
president providing him a pardon. It's it's a it's a
weird and uncomfortable situation, to say the least, because it reeks.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
I don't want to say it reaps a corruption on
well it does. It reeks of something just doesn't smell right.
Speaker 7 (54:58):
Of all people why, And it's the White House's right,
it's Trump's right. You can pardon whoever he wants, but
it doesn't an administration that seems to kind of get
in its own.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Way over and over and over again.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
This isn't the right type of press or headline that
you want. Although if you are going to get that
kind of press, today is like the perfect day for that,
seeing as the NBA dominated the rest of the headline.
So if you were going to do this, I guess
today would be the right day.
Speaker 6 (55:34):
The more I think about it, I just talked myself
into it. Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 7 (55:39):
It's like, if you were gonna do this, because think
about this, If this happens on a regular Tuesday, it
dominates the press. Everybody's looking into it. Nobody's talking about
this today. It's nobody. Nobody's concerned about it. I mean
in political circles, yes, but you go on Twitter, or
you look on social media or you know, whatever is
(56:01):
you turn on the news. The primary thing that people
are having conversations about our Can you believe what's happened
in the NBA, I mean it dominated the majority of
our show tonight or yesterday.
Speaker 6 (56:11):
I'm sorry, So.
Speaker 7 (56:17):
What is Trump's pardon of maybe a friend, maybe not,
somebody who helped prop up his coin.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
We don't know. Maybe today is the right day to
do it. I don't know. I kind of talked myself
into it, Dario.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
We were talking before the show started on this topic.
This is one of those things, especially like crypto in general, I've.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Never like I've seen a bunch.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
Of people make a bunch of money from crypto, and
people always like, man, you need to invest in crypto.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I would if I understood it. I don't understand any
of the stuff. I don't understand any of this stuff, man.
So I'm just, like we were.
Speaker 5 (56:56):
Talking before the show started, like I'm kind of lost
on the Like I don't know how it works. So
I'm just, hey, I know Trump has a meme coin,
it's the Trump Coin. I don't know how that works.
I don't know how it makes money. I don't know, Like,
I don't know what you buy with it.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Like I don't know. I don't know anything. I'm like
a newborn baby when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
Like, it's just hard to because every time I try
to understand it, because people are like, oh, once you
get it, like you, it'll be fine. But when I
try to understand it, it just makes my eyes glaze over.
I'm just like, dude, I just I don't get it.
I don't get I don't get what this guy did.
I understand the money laundering part. I do get how
(57:43):
cryptocurrency can be used to the londer money because it's
it's harder to trace. I get that part, but I
don't I don't get any of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
Yeah, I would say, don't worry about the meme coins.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
That would be my non financial financial advice to everyone.
Speaker 6 (58:05):
Don't worry about the main coins.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
So so you're saying I shouldn't go and and rush
and invest my savings in the hawk tool coin.
Speaker 6 (58:14):
No, please don't do that. Not do that.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
So, Dante, I guess we'll go to you first.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Robin said, I don't know if you heard last week's show,
but Robin basically threatened you if.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
You didn't come on.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
No I didn't. But Dante don't listen to me, so
of course he didn't listen.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I don't rob no attention exactly see.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
But yes, don't don't let her, don't let her.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I did though I did, I did, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Now is I did make up your mom?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Please? Well, and you know, like she said, she would
pull up and that's believable.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
That is very believable, Robin, Robin can be a pull
up her when she wants to pull up to my job,
tell him let me leave, I got you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
We're just joking. Those are just jokes, America. We're just joking.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Maybe you don't want to do that. If you want
to do that, Robin will talk.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Ata came back on some bs uh And like I.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Said, those are just jokes because we're gonna be talking
about some uh some stuff involved in the law today.
So I just want to make that clear. Those are
just jokes. So are you being man?
Speaker 6 (02:35):
I've been good, man, I've been good.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
A lot of life changes, a lot of life happenings,
all good, though, all.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
There is a lot of stuff going on, brothers, a.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
Lot of stuff going on. I'll share with the with
the rest of the world and the time. But yeah,
a lot of stuff's happening. But yeah, man, it's it's
it's been a lot of a lot of good stuff.
And uh, I'm happy to be back and I'm man,
what a a whole lot of stuff is going on today?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yes, perfect dated to come back.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I was just about to.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Say that there are things in the news. There are
three topics that I know you and I talk about
and follow extensively, and they're all together, basketball gambling, and the.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Mafia and and and are and presidential pardons.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yes, that's gonna come up later and as well, so
stay tuned. We're definitely going to tackle, uh, some of
the major news of the day.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Robin.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I just remembered, well, and we'll do this, we'll do
this off air, but there is a very specific reason
that we're supposed to be cussing DANTEO. Do you remember,
don't acknowledge, don't don't say what it.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is on, but do you remember? Okay, okay, So so.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
When we when we go to break will we'll we'll
get them. But he's like, I just remembered, like I
literally just remembered. Oh yeah, that's right. But anyway, miss O'Malley,
how are you.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm actually good. Yeah, I'm good. Not much has been
going on, you know, Uh, just kind of been focused
on a few things. One of the topics we talked
about last week. I've kind of been like super hyper
focused on that, just kind of focused on the safety
(04:36):
of the children in our city and just things that
have been going on. So I think I've just been
more focused on that other than not like not much.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, good good.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
But yeah, there's there's a lot of stuff going on
on that front too. For those of you who missed
last week's episode, if you listen to us on the radio,
make sure you subscribe to the podcast so you can
check that out as well. And here are the things
we were discussing.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That Robin was just alluding to last week.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
All Right, we have a special interview that we're gonna
get to right now. We have a very special guest
on this show today. He is a friend of the show.
He's been on this show before. I couldn't think of anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Who would be better, more perfect.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
This is a perfect the perfect person to talk to
about the breaking news. He is the founder and senior
NBA writer at Hoopswire. Dot Com NBA insider The Goat,
Sam Amico, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How you doing, Sar?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. I know that
when you get called the goat, that means I always
think the O and that stands for old, So I
will accept it only for that reason.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Oh you're still young. Try So okay, let's just start here.
Big scandal in the NBA for people who aren't aware
or don't know all the details, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, you know, I mean, you wake up this morning
and and you know, so often in the NBA we're
shocked with things, right, I mean February Luka Don should
just traded, you know, But it's usually that kind of
stuff where a guy is traded or years ago Kevin
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Durant signs with the Warriors, you know what I mean.
So it's always related to positive things, really, I mean
things that are related to basketball. Where this obviously with
Chauncey Billups and Terry Rosier from from Shaker Heights and
and Damon Jones previously of the Cavaliers, and you know,
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a federal gambling probe which we had heard Terry Rogier
linked to it before, but it seemed like he was,
you know, just kind of a subject of the investigation
and not like the key guy in it. It was stunning,
you know, and what a terrible look for the league,
you know, after everybody opened. Obviously, we had the small
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openers the other night with four teams playing, and then
last night was the big opening game for everybody. Everybody played,
and then the next morning this comes out with a
federal investigation and arrests made and you know, links to
the mafia. It's just it's just a bad, a bad look.
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And obviously, you know, as far as we know, there's
only a couple of people involved. But I mean you're
talking about a head coach of one of your teams, right,
Chauncey Billups, a legend in the game, a guy who's
you know, has a reputation for being in a league
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full of great guys, one of the really most rounded,
nice people in the league. So you know this, this
obviously really hurts when you're going into twenty five twenty
six season and guys you think about, you know, they
just got a new media rights deal, right, I mean,
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NBC and Amazon are probably like, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You know, So beyond that, it's hard to tell now,
you know, I'm not trying to make excuses, but these
are allegations, right, and until this is proven, you know,
you still have some ability to say face. But social media,
of course, we know that nobody gets a fair trial,
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right as soon as soon as something like this comes out,
you're guilty is charged, right, So that narrative is a
bad look for the league. And you know, the if
this were local law enforcement or something, I think I
might be a little more like, well, let's see how
it plays out. But you know, the FBI rarely rarely misses, right,
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I mean you're talking about federal investigation. So you know
how if you're obviously fans of the NBA are thinking, well,
what about the integrity of the game. Maybe these are
just the guys who got caught, you know, fair or not.
Those are the questions that are people are asking, and
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it it just it hurts the integrity of the league,
whether it was just these two or three individuals that
have been arrested, you know, and really hope it ends
there and I suspect it will, but it just, you know,
it makes you wonder about some things about the league, especially,
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you know, especially Chauncey Billups. It's like, gosh, head coach
one game into the season, coach one game, Yeah, he
got arrested. It's just, you know, it's it's hard to
explain how obviously I read the headline the NBA rocked
by these arrests, and that's exactly what That's the right
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word rocked, because that's that's where it is right now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Absolutely, We're talking with Sam Anko from mooswire dot com.
So there's two kind of separate but linked cases because
some of the the people involved are connected to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So you have the Chauncey Billups.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Situation where it is alleged that he and I believe
Damon Jones was involved in that as.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, allegedly.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Were involved in a poker game rigging scandal that involved
four of the five families of the mobs. Like this
is like some movie stuff, right, And then you have
the Terry Roseier alleged situation. And to me, and I'd
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love your thoughts, Sam, I think it's all bad and
dangerous and damning for the league.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But to me, the.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Terry Roseier allegation and the Damon Jones part about him
allegedly leaking injury information, and Chauncey is alleged to do
to have done the same thing. I think for the
league directly, those two things, in particular, Terry Rose, you're
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allegedly faking an injury to cover her the under and
Damon Jones and Chauncy Billips allegedly providing inside information for
people to be able to bet on. I think those
are the things. The poker thing is bad and doing
stuff with the mob is real.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Real bad. Yeah, I think those.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Two when it comes to the league itself, those are
probably the most damning and damaging to the image of
the league.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
What you're what are you saying that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Absolutely? Yeah, And when you're talking about the NBA itself, right,
that's that's where the league itself would be particularly concerned,
Which is, you know, and it's easy to do in
one hand, you don't think about it, where like say,
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you know, there are top times where I get information
about who's starting tonight or who's hurt, and not as
often now. But when I was really like headfirst into
the Cavs beat, the PR would say, you know, here
these five guys are starting, you know, to kind of
let you tweet it out before the game. Well, if
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they're telling me. You know, at that point, they obviously
know who's starting two hours before the game. So somebody
like Chauncey Billups, for instance, would know. Damon Jones if
he's you know, Lebron innocently saying yeah, I'm out tonight,
you know, then then Damon Jones allegedly using that to
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feed that information to you know, somebody betting on the
game or whatever. It starts as innocent, maybe like hey,
you know what is Lebron on playing tonight? You know
what I mean, can come across as innocent. But if
you think about, okay, well there's a lot of money
at play here, and I work for the league and
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work in the league, then it becomes a crime, right,
And that's where the NBA, You're exactly right, that's where
that is a bad look even worse than the poker thing.
Like you said that the gambling or the poker thing
is bad, but this when it comes to the NBA,
you know, it raises that level of suspicion. And we
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saw that this year, you know, with the Guardians and
and you know, you just hope, you just hope it
goes away sooner rather than later. If you're the NBA
if you're the Portland Trailblazers. Yeah, I mean as an organization,
it's like man, our head coach who we just signed
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to a contract extension, really had us on the up
and up. It's just I'm sure it's difficult for everybody
to process and it's it's stunning.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
We're talking with Sam Amiko from hoopsware dot com. Dante
go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
So Sam, a couple of high level questions here for you.
What do you think this does for Adam Silver? We
talked about the league, but how do you think this
reflects on Adam Silver's time as commissioner? And I'm sure
you've heard these rumors, but there had been rumors for
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a while now that maybe even after Adam Silver was
done as the commissioner in the NBA, maybe he would
want to look at other jobs, like succeeding Bob Iger
at Disney, Like, what do you think this How does
this taint his tenure and maybe his future?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I think that
anytime something like this happens under your reign or you know,
when you're the head of an organization, it's obviously going
to reflect poorly on you. Fair or not.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I don't think it's going to taint him too much.
You look at you know, years ago, when David Stern
was a commissioner and the NBA had the whole Tim
Donahey officiating scandal, Right, this was something that David Stern
had to fight off and it became part of his legacy,
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even though you know, he really had nothing to do
with it. Here you had officials betting on or at
least one official betting on games, and that that became
part of his legacy and it probably led to a
little bit of an earlier retirement for him. You know.
So it's gonna depending on how far this goes and
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how long this goes. If this is something the worst
case scenario for the NBA is this drags on for
you know, six months. The best way to get over
something like this is for it to be resolved quickly
so that people can forget about it. And I think
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a lot of basketball fans, probably the majority of them,
we love the games, right, I mean, we're watching the
games and we're gonna view this as nothing more than, oh,
these guys really screwed up. Now give me, you know,
give me the Pacers and the Thunder tonight in the
finals rematch, you know, so I think that we focus
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more on that, and that could be to answer your question,
you know, more of a saving grace for somebody like
Adam Silver, who who if I had to take a
stab at it, had no prior knowledge of any of this,
you know what I mean. And it's really not his
job tack this policeman for every head assistant, coach and
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every player. His jobs to make sure that the league
is popular and you know, making money. That's his main job.
And to institute help institute rules with the help of
the team owners and the basketball operations part of the
league office, which now of course is James Jones, former
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cav Is. So you know, I think that's really what
his main goal is. But yeah, something like this, if
it drags on fairer not to him, I think it
will definitely impact, you know, it could impact the worst
case scenario, his future as the commissioner of the league,
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other positions as you mentioned, you know, like if he
was going to replace a Bob Igar at Disney, or
replace anybody in any kind of corporate job, in a
big position. I certainly think this is something that would
impact him if it drags out, If it goes away
fairly quickly, you know, it'll be forgotten pretty quickly, do you.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Think And this is kind of also about silver, but
also the NBA everything now is sponsored by these gambling platforms, right,
So I mean we've got fan Duel here and Draft
Kings there and Caesar's and MGM. Right, everything is sponsored
by this. But also as the NBA we know is
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looking to expand, right, We've heard about potentially investments into
Europe or expansion into Europe or even Middle Eastern wealth
funds right within global investments.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
So like, do you.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Think that the maybe now this cloud if it doesn't
go quickly then also just the infusion of money to
the point where it's like everybody's at least a little
complicit because the gambling platforms are everywhere, and now foreign investment,
do you think all of this could maybe taint some
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of that or maybe draw questions like darbyl was saying
earlier to like the integrity of the league, or maybe
should we hold off on certain expansions even too news
like do you think this could halt plans?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah? Yeah, certainly. I you know, I almost have no doubt.
We could start with NBC and Amazon, you know, raising
eyebrows already, you know, and here they are a game.
Amazon hasn't even broadcast the game yet, but you know,
here we are brand new season, brand new media rights deal,
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brand new partners, you know, and I'm sure that the
league has had conversations with them like as hey, you know,
you are, for lack of a better word, as all
pro sports are. We are now in an era where
sports are in bed with gambling companies, right, and betting companies,
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and and you know, look, I you know the show
I'm on with with Booby Gibson's on FanDuel Sports Network, right,
I mean, so this really covers everything now with sticking
to the NBA. Obviously NFL, MLB hockey whatever, but sticking
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to the NBA. Yeah, I mean, this is this is
a big deal our guys. You know, injury reports now
have become a bigger deal because of all this gambling
that's that's become legalized, and that the that the leagues
are encouraging because they're now benefiting financially from these places.
So yeah, to answer your question, certainly, questions among whether
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you know, expansion European expansion money from other countries involving
the NBA, you know, certainly, And guys, let me tell you,
I I never realized when I first got into this job,
like you know what, I probably should have got a
business degree too, because I am learning so much about
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this stuff as I'm writing writing about it, and it's
it really is. It can be all encompassing and really
impact the league in many ways, you know. And they
always say, you know, a few and a few quote
unquote bad apples can ruin the whole thing, you know,
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And and I don't think this is going to be
that case, but worst case scenario, it could. It could
really really harm the league financially.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Talking with Sam A.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Miko from hoops Wired dot com, Dante, I know you
had another question go right here.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Yeah, you mentioned Sam you mentioned earlier about the cloud
that was the Tim Donaghy scandal and how that led
to so many more conspiracies that maybe we're rooted in
truth we don't know, like unfortunately, we probably never would know.
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Do you think that this because it's also about like
what players are doing in games or what information did
Chauncey Billups give or not give? Do you think that
this going forward has the potential to hurt the league
from a perception perspective, just in that. I mean, as
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we all know as sports fans, if people if the
casual fan thinks the game is rigged, they're out.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Do you think that.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
This has a width on top you know, the Donague
scandal twenty years ago. Now this if we don't know
how widespread it is, but I'm sure people have can
guess like maybe they weren't the only guys that the
d o J seems to say that they're will be
more arrest coming in this probe. So like, do you
think that had this has the potential if it doesn't
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go quickly and quietly, to sort of ruin maybe the
league's credibility long term?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I think I think it could for for a
little bit. It has that potential. You know, to me,
it always seems like casual fans of any sport are
looking for reasons not to watch, you know what I mean,
they're always and then they're always announcing why they don't watch. Yeah,
but you know so, and I think that's you know,
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true of true of anything, but the NBA certainly, I
don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm so entrenched in
the NBA and have been for so long. I always
feel like, you know what, do you care what the
ratings are or care what the the uh? You know, Oh,
I'm not watching the regular season toil the playoffs, or
I'm not watching basketball because all they do is shoot threes.
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It's like, well, you know what, then don't watch. You know,
all I care about is that I watch. I don't
care what, you know what I mean? So I think that, yes,
let me say this, the NBA, every sport, and particularly
the NBA really needs casual fans because Diehard's like us,
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we're gonna watch anyway, you know, we're not. Hey, you
know what. I don't love the idea of the ncit'son tournament,
but I'll watch it, you know, and it's basketball. I
love basketball. I'm gonna watch it. Whereas I feel like
the casual fans are always looking for an excuse and
this really gives them another reason to not pay attention.
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And you know, yes, you need those casual fans. You
need those people who are gonna say, you know what.
I don't follow the cabs super close, but go into
a game on a Friday night with my kids and
spending the money and spending the T shirts and then
maybe getting into it more. From that standpoint, you need
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those people because those are the people who are really
making you money. You know, the diehards. We're always going
to be there. You don't need to keep us. We're
going to, you know, if the league, regardless of what
happens with the league, because we love the sport, We're
going to continuously follow it. So I know I'm kind
of talking in circles here, but I do believe that, yes,
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you know, it has that potential when somebody may view
it like, well, this is you know. I remember after
Tim Donahey scandal, people were just like, you know, this
is just like WWE. It's like almost like it's scripted,
you know, and would lose interest. And I'd have friends
who would say that, and I never believed that. Whether
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I was right or wrong, I don't know, but I
don't think the Indiana Pacers and Oklahoma City Thunder are
going to be the teams that the league would script
into the finals. So, you know, I've never really believed that,
But you know, people on the outside that are just
kind of I almost say, like I'm a casual baseball
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fan like, you know, and if I when I see
stuff like this, I'm kind of like, what's going on there?
You know, I don't think I'd lose interest, but it
would make me probably second guess. If it were something
that was, you know, a lot more arrests than this
and a lot bigger scope than than what happened today,
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then I would probably be like, yeah, that that league's
a mess, and I'm not interested. But I think it
would have to get bigger for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Sam.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I know you have you have sources with cash, you
have sources across the league. What are they saying about this?
What are what are people in the league saying? How
are they reacting to this?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Uh? You know, the people in the league that I've
contacted today and talked with today are like us right there,
They're stunned, just no clue, especially you know, with Terry
Rogier a little bit only because it's not as shocking
it seems like to the people that I've communicated with,
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because he had already been linked to some stuff, you know,
over the summer, this kind of stuff was starting to
be brought up about him, so we had heard his name,
but the Chauncey Billups stuff. Nobody seemed to know about that,
and that that really caught people off guard. The people
who do know Damon Jones were also surprised by this.
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You know, listen on the team planes sometimes, you know,
there are some really really intense poker games, and there's
been times, not with anybody currently in the NBA that
I'm aware of, but you know, ten fifteen years ago,
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some of these poker games and this is just normal.
I mean, this isn't bad, but they were throwing a
lot of money on the table and it would get intense. Sometimes,
you know, the coaches and the gms would have to say,
you know what, no more poker on the plane. It's
getting too intense. Guys are getting too heated. So I mean,
you know what I mean. Wow, So yeah, this is
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this has been an ongoing thing when you know, people
might see Damon Jones on the team playing playing poker
and getting intense and stuff, but nobody pictured this. Nobody
envisioned it leading to any kind of federal probe involving
games or any of this. So it's really it's really
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interesting how all of a sudden we've legalized this and
it's become such a bigger part of sports, and now
now all of a sudden, athletes and coaches are getting arrested,
whereas before we didn't hear about any of this. So
I don't know if that's connected or not, but I
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just find it very coincidental that we weren't having these
issues until all of a sudden. You know, maybe in
college sports, before the college athletes started getting paid, you know,
there were the scandals and fifty seventy years ago or whatever.
But now it's like, all of a sudden, we're hearing
about this and everything. We're hearing about baseball, NBA and
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you know, NFL who knows? So to me, that's the
most interesting part. And I think that, you know, the
people around the league that I was able to communicate
with or are just as shocked as the rest of us.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
We're talking with Sam Anko from hohoswired dot com and
before we let you go, we've been talking so much
about basketball without talking about actual basketball. Correct, Oh, let's
transition to that real quick. Tonight at seven point thirty,
the Cavaliers play.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The Brooklyn Nets.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Obviously, they played the Knicks for the season opener. They
lost one nineteen to one eleven. I have been seeing
some folks that are already like wanting to call you
what's coming?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I know what's coming ahead, So.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
What do you what are your thoughts? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Like, obviously it's too early for people to be pulling
the fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Correct, absolutely, yes they're gonna anyway, But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Who was your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What was your thoughts on the game? What are you
in this very very very early assessment?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
And also to like, the Cavaliers were missing key players,
so you can't really like there's.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So much more to that, but just your your thoughts
on the game.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Your thoughts on how the Cavs look good and bad,
and also your thoughts on the freak out that some
people are having right now.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah. Well, first of all, as far as freak outs,
I learned to stop trying to control that years ago
because I was like, I'm like, you know what, the
word fan is short for fanatical, right, so that means
not much perspective, right, So I just let him freak
out because it's like, listen, this is this is almost
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like just a small extension of the preseason, right, if
not a big extension of it. It's just you've got,
we're going to be doing this. Baseball is going to
end and start again before we even get to the playoffs.
So there's such a long way to go. We're going
to be doing this regular season part all the way
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to the middle of April, and you have all the
way until the mid or Earlybruary to make trades and
revamp things that you think you need. The Calves did
that last year, right, they were rolling and they're like, yeah,
well we're going to go out and get DeAndre Hunter
because we think we we still need a piece. So
(33:15):
so much can and will change between the first game
in game eighty two. Now that said, the first game,
ninety percent of what I saw I liked from the Calves.
Even when they got down, I'm like, look, this is
the way it's supposed to go. They don't have their
all star point guard. They don't have whether you say
(33:35):
DeAndre Hunter or Max Struce is your starter, then you
don't have another starter. And whichever one of those guys
isn't starting is your is your six man? Is your
best six man, your best guy off the bench. So
you're missing three guys that are very valuable and you're
playing at Madison Square Garden. You're not even at home,
(33:57):
and it's the season opener, and you have have new
faces like Lonzo Ball coming in, Larry and anst junior
obviously been here before, but you know he hasn't played
with this group. And then you have, of course, you're
working in your rookie Tyreese Proctor. So when they started
to get fall behind him like it's over, and then
(34:18):
all of a sudden, Donovan Mitchell goes nuts, which is
a credit in the third quarter of credit to his
greatness and a credit to obviously the coaching staff as
well for making those adjustments, because the Knicks were really
throwing a lot of bodies at him in that first
half and he wasn't able to score. So I thought
there were a lot of promising things, just as promising
(34:39):
if they had won. I just kept, guys, I kept
sitting there thinking, you know, if this if the if
the Knicks came to Cleveland and we're without three of
their top players in Cleveland, uh, and gave the Calves
this good of a game, as good of the game
as the Calves gave the Knicks last night, I'd be
(35:00):
like worried about the Calves a little more even if
the Calves had won, because I'd be like, they're without
three of their guys and they're playing us really tough
in our building, and you know we should have blown
them out by now. So I thought the Calves looked
like the sixty four and eighteen team. You know, it's
just you just happened to open the season, as opposed
to say at Brooklyn or at you just happened opening
(35:23):
your season had a title contender like you are. So
one of those teams had to lose. And I thought,
for the most part, the fact that the Calves were
there with a minute and a half left, missed the
three that would have put them down. One I thought
that they were for the most part was good. Look
Jared Allen, you know he's going to have that cloud
(35:43):
over him when you go to you went to a
place where you said the lights are too bright two
years ago, and then you go in there and you don't.
You look like you're not ready. Yeah, you're gonna hear
it from the fans. It's fair not you're going to
hear it. And you know that's that's chart though, And
I don't say that as a negative. He's a guy
who's gonnat. I have nights like that. That's just who
(36:06):
he is. And I think that he really misses Garland.
He works very very well with with Darius Garland. I
think that that hurts his productivity. But he's got to
and he knows this. We're not saying anything he doesn't know.
He's got to do better than four rebounds, and I'm
sure he will, you know, I'm sure he'll get those
(36:27):
double doubles like he always does. It's just first game,
you know, after a year, after team said you weren't
physical enough or fan said you weren't physical enough, and
then come out and have four points and four rebounds. Yeah,
that's it's only human nature. You're gonna hear about it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
All right, sir.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Let everybody know how to follow you on social media,
how to keep up with your writings.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
All you plug all your shows. You're very popular.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
You got like eighty seven different shows, so plug bulls
as well.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well. I appreciate that. I don't I don't know that
I'm popular, but I do have a I do have
a lot of shows that I hope that some people
will watch rather than my mom and frankly I don't
really guarantee her, but you can you could. You can
read me at hoopswire dot com. I try to get
twelve fifteen posts up a day from around the NBA,
(37:26):
try to kind of round everything up what's going on,
not just not just the news everybody knows, but you
know a lot of quotes and stuff from the players
and coaches from around the league. So that's that's really
my big thing that I really place most of my
focus on is the website. Follow me at Miko hoops
on Twitter or x and hoops Wire Live. I do
(37:50):
my own YouTube show where I just kind of deep
dive into the caves every Friday at noon. That streams
live and is always there on YouTube. It's just hoops
Wire Live on YouTube. And of course I do the
show for Big Play Sports Network with Daniel Booby Gibson
and Rafa Hernandez Brito, which is on It's on the
(38:16):
Big Play Network every Thursday at six o'clock I believe
or seven, and all throughout the week on the fan
Duel Sports Network Ohio, usually before and after the Cavs
pre and post game shows.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
All right, fantastic, Thank you so much, Sam for breaking
down this.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Crazy news with us man and helping us out. We
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I hope, I hope, I hope I was able
to help. But I really appreciate you guys having me on,
and I look forward to future visits as always.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Absolutely, Yes, sir, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
We have teen Tom Wirow coming up next here on
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Speaker 3 (39:04):
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We got the heat, give me hell.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, this is the Outlaws Radio Show.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Welcome back, Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
You're listening to the Outlaws, and.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now it's the time to show up. We like to
call it Tea.
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Time with Roe.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Turn it up, y'all see out the infectation.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
The latest celebrity news and gossip explanation.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws Radio Show.
You all right, chall oh, I mean my tea time
isn't that hot, but it's hot. I mean kay Lannie,
kay Lannie is pretty you know, she pretty fine, But
that is who we're talking about. Kay Lannie. If you
(39:52):
heard her song called Folded, everybody loves it. I don't
care who it is, Everybody loves it. Even your grandma.
Everybody loves it. So a lot of people have remixed
Kailani's song Folded, which just came out not long ago,
really recently. And I can start with Tony Braxton, Brandy, Jojo,
(40:16):
Mario Neo.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And Tank.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
These are all well, I'll say, at least yea three
of them. Potentially in my opinion, maybe four are considered
in the legends, maybe two of them. So I would
say Tony Braxton and Brandy at least two of those
(40:40):
at least to get to remix her song. Like she
didn't even do it. Everybody said, what's the name of
that movie where you collect the Infinity Stones?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh? Come on, was an Avengers movie?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Right, yes, Aures, So that's what everybody is saying, that
she has been collecting Infinity stones by collecting all these legends,
And I thought that was so dope just thinking about this,
if you take a step back and you think about this,
darbym never in the history of life that I since
(41:20):
I have been on this earth, I have never seen
this done. I have never seen this happen where multiple
legends have all done a remix to somebody's song. And
not only did they all do a remix. It is
all being collaborated into a remix. So she's calling it
(41:42):
the get Ready for the Homage package includes remixes of
the hit song folded and that does have every one
of those artists that I did name, And that's that's awesome, man,
that's this is her year, This is Kline's year, and
I love that for her.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
So I have to tell y'all a secret.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
I don't know that song.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I am absolutely upset right now for you to admit
that on air, Dario.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't know that song. I just had to keep
it on.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
And y'all know I love music. I work in music.
I'm around music all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I love all the people that you said. But I
just don't know that song.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
No chance, you don't know that song.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
No, I don't. And I know I don't like Colonic,
but I don't know that song.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
You y'all, y'all, y'all, damn, lie, y'all, lie listen. Don't
get me upset now.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm sorry, man, I just had to be honest.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Okay, you know what, I cannot believe you know what.
It's okay, it's me. I'm I'm I'm slacking in that department.
I should have been had y'all hip, So that SA's
on me. That's on me. I'm gonna get y'all hip.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Though it sounds it sounds like something I would y'all,
y'all know what I like.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Y'all know what I.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Listen, and you will and will like something I would
like and will you will most definitely like. Listen. I'm
on my way to send it right now.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I just don't know it.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
So so don't don't come for me. Don't come for me, y'all,
or my co hosts, don't come for me.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Come for them, come for their next All right, listen.
Dante already was in the hot seat, and now this
is added to it.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
That I said, I couldn't lie to you. I really
don't know it.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I had to be honest, Dante.
I had to be honest. I'm like, I don't know
the song.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, there's no way you guys did not hear. It
has been used multiple times on by so many people
on their their pictures, their posts, they use it. You
probably have heard it and did not realize it.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Here's here's the truth, Robin and Dante. You can say
how you feel on this as well. But most of
the time when I'm on social I've gotten like people
have gotten mad at me before. Sometimes they be like, well,
you ain't like my stuff. I didn't see your stuff,
because most of the time when I'm on social media,
(44:29):
I'm either on social media to promote something or I'm
on social media to interact with something, and then I
get off like I'm not. I don't really doom scroll
all like that. I try not to. Sometimes I do,
but I try not to so a lot of times,
unless you're someone that I interact with all the time,
(44:51):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Gonna see it.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'm just not gonna see.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
It because I don't. I don't use social media like that.
So like the way I use it is to eat.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To promote something, to say something that I'm thinking and feeling,
or to interact with the people I regularly interact with.
Sometimes I'll get on social media to say something and get.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
So, so Dante, I don't know what your if you
have a similar process social people, but something like this
may be in a bunch of people's videos that don't
mean I saw it.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
And most of the time I'm going to scroll with
the volume down anyway, because.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
If I'm scrolling on social media, it's probably because I'm like, oh,
I'm watching the game or you know, And so most
of my timeline is going to be filled with that
not you know, Kanie So and I like her, I
actually like her music, but I'm not I'm not hip
at all.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I just want you to know. I've been over here
making faces the entire time. My facial expressions were very loud.
You just I'll be I'll get y'all hip, though, I'm
gonna get yall together.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Move on to the next one. So the next topic is, actually,
I don't know if you I mean to me, she
is a legend to me, she is a legend. But
in this story, ooh, sis down bad. But so Jennifer Lopez,
y'all know who Jennifer Lopez is. Don't play with me,
(46:19):
of course. Okay, okay, So Jennifer Lopez went to went
onto an interview. She was on The Stern Show. So
Jennifer Lopez got on there saying that she feels that
she has never been loved or capable quote unquote. So
(46:43):
her ex husband gets online and he goes in on says,
he's saying.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
Way.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
He say.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
This is in reference about the recent interview on the
or the Howard.
Speaker 9 (46:57):
Stern, He said, Stern, not even but anyway Stern show,
where my ex wife Jennifer Lopez aka j LO said
that she never been loved or capable.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your
victim card. The problem. It's not us, not me the problem.
It's you. You the one who couldn't keep it in
your pants. You have been loved a few times. You've
been married four times. He should have put this after that.
(47:30):
I don't know, but anyway, and have had countless relationships
in between. You have had good relationships me for example.
He like, there is actually like at least a solid
four more pages, and he like he went on and
on and on about her career and oh he went
(47:52):
in on her, but to call her out and be like,
you've been loved. He basically told her, you are the problem.
You are the problem. I mean, yes, I won't. I'm
in this situation. I will not disagree. I love j
Low her music, Oh my god, I always rocked out
to her music and I'll still play it like it
(48:13):
just came out but married four times, diabolical, Like that's crazy.
It's crazy four times and none of them worked out.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I'm gonna let Dante go to this.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
One first, setting Dante up the.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
Lad Sir, listen all the old Jesus tell you back
in the day, stay out in women's business.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
I tell you that for a reason, because you gonna
be wrong.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
So my response is, yeah, well, I mean, Jayla's been
married four times, a lot of public relationships.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Mm hmm, that's her business.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
She probably, I mean, obviously there's she's either picking the
wrong guy or something is wrong with her.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
You know what I'm saying, Like you always.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Right here said you decided to lie, to cheat on me,
and even though I stayed, I even tried to keep
the marriage going and alive.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Mm hmm. Maybe that's tough.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I you know, bel is a that's an interesting that's
she she's an interesting one because like she.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
It's gonna be another guy that's gonna take a chance. Yeah,
because she's jail, it's gonna.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
Be another guy that's gonna take that chance. So you know,
I that's tough, man. I thought I actually thought that
it was gonna.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
Work with her. Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
Man, I just kind of thought like, oh, they're kind
of perfect for each other a little bit so.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, and then she got back with Matt Damon. Uh
that was Matt Damon, right.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I can't keep putting, see what I'm saying, Like, I
can't keep up.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So she's she went back. She suckled the block.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Thought that would work, but you know, hey, it'd be
like that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Man.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
She just got to keep trying.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
Yeah, keep trying is crazy. Keep trying, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
Shoul should give up on finding love.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I think she should begin learning to love herself. You're
not going to find love unless you love yourself. And
you can't just be like I do love me. You
don't if you keep like if there's something you it
appears there's something that you're searching for, like you can't
find it. There's something you're searching for. Something's missing. Nothing
(50:49):
is making you feel happy or like you feel If
you feel that you have to go cheat. If you
feel or this, you've been in four marriages. That means
there is something that you you are missing and that
is more than likely you need to find you. You
need to love yourself first.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
Okay, So before we get doctor Robin the Psychiatrist started,
I'm just saying we're gonna get out of it here
and get ready for Dante's I Take.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Stay tuned, you're listening to the.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
Outlaws, true sir, law, pay up.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
Welcome back, Welcome back, and listening to the Outlaws. Make
sure that you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart,
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(51:58):
And now the first time in a long time, it's
time for Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Tell them the truth.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
On the out Laws radio show. Right.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
So, as the world turns in the NBA, it also,
of course turns in Washington, d C. Where President Trump
gave a pardon to Jau Japang, the CEO or former
CEO of Binance.
Speaker 6 (52:38):
People just call him CZ it's easier. He's one of
the wealthiest men in the world.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
But Binance is a cryptocurrency trading platform. People go on
there and they trade bitcoin, ethereum, alternate coins, whatever, doge coin,
whatever meme coined you have. And Binance came under screw
me a few years ago because Binance, as the FCC
(53:06):
and DOJ and other finance regulatory committees have said they
have prioritized growth and profit over regulatory and anti money
laundering policies. So CZ, the CEO former CEO, was actually
(53:28):
convicted on a money laundering charge. And it has been
alleged and Wiley accepted as true that Binance has allowed
money laundering by notorious groups such as.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Hamas and.
Speaker 7 (53:50):
Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in the Middle East,
and gun runners and anyone else who you could think
of to money launder.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Binance has the same turned the other way, and that's
why their CEO was convicted.
Speaker 7 (54:03):
So Trump, President Trump providing Cz a pardon raised some
eyebrows because Binance hosted and propped up Trump's mean coin,
trump Coin on the site, and so a lot of
people have been saying, well, this man is obviously very corrupt,
(54:28):
he is allowed money laundering and fraud. Why is the
president providing him a pardon. It's it's a it's a
weird and uncomfortable situation, to say the least, because it reeks.
Speaker 6 (54:48):
I don't want to say it reaps a corruption on
well it does. It reeks of something just doesn't smell right.
Speaker 7 (54:58):
Of all people why, And it's the White House's right,
it's Trump's right. You can pardon whoever he wants, but
it doesn't an administration that seems to kind of get
in its own.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Way over and over and over again.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
This isn't the right type of press or headline that
you want. Although if you are going to get that
kind of press, today is like the perfect day for that,
seeing as the NBA dominated the rest of the headline.
So if you were going to do this, I guess
today would be the right day.
Speaker 6 (55:34):
The more I think about it, I just talked myself
into it. Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 7 (55:39):
It's like, if you were gonna do this, because think
about this, If this happens on a regular Tuesday, it
dominates the press. Everybody's looking into it. Nobody's talking about
this today. It's nobody. Nobody's concerned about it. I mean
in political circles, yes, but you go on Twitter, or
you look on social media or you know, whatever is
(56:01):
you turn on the news. The primary thing that people
are having conversations about our Can you believe what's happened
in the NBA, I mean it dominated the majority of
our show tonight or yesterday.
Speaker 6 (56:11):
I'm sorry, So.
Speaker 7 (56:17):
What is Trump's pardon of maybe a friend, maybe not,
somebody who helped prop up his coin.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
We don't know. Maybe today is the right day to
do it. I don't know. I kind of talked myself
into it, Dario.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
We were talking before the show started on this topic.
This is one of those things, especially like crypto in general, I've.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Never like I've seen a bunch.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
Of people make a bunch of money from crypto, and
people always like, man, you need to invest in crypto.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I would if I understood it. I don't understand any
of the stuff. I don't understand any of this stuff, man.
So I'm just, like we were.
Speaker 5 (56:56):
Talking before the show started, like I'm kind of lost
on the Like I don't know how it works. So
I'm just, hey, I know Trump has a meme coin,
it's the Trump Coin. I don't know how that works.
I don't know how it makes money. I don't know, Like,
I don't know what you buy with it.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Like I don't know. I don't know anything. I'm like
a newborn baby when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
Like, it's just hard to because every time I try
to understand it, because people are like, oh, once you
get it, like you, it'll be fine. But when I
try to understand it, it just makes my eyes glaze over.
I'm just like, dude, I just I don't get it.
I don't get I don't get what this guy did.
I understand the money laundering part. I do get how
(57:43):
cryptocurrency can be used to the londer money because it's
it's harder to trace. I get that part, but I
don't I don't get any of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
Yeah, I would say, don't worry about the meme coins.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
That would be my non financial financial advice to everyone.
Speaker 6 (58:05):
Don't worry about the main coins.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
So so you're saying I shouldn't go and and rush
and invest my savings in the hawk tool coin.
Speaker 6 (58:14):
No, please don't do that. Not do that.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Let him know how to follow you, So follow.
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Me on Instagram and Twitter at tape bride t A
E b r y E Liz O'Malley.
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Speaker 2 (58:43):
One more time, shout out to sam A Miko for
coming on the show. We really appreciated. We are out
of here. We'll see you next week.
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