U.S. Penny Officially Dead!💀Polygon Just Replaced It🚨Sandeep Nailwal INTERVIEW

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's dive into it today because we are talking about
the death of the penny. Yes, the US government currency
the penny could blockchain resurrect all of this on low
cost fees. We'll break it down for you to get
a special guest for you as well. Let's dive right in.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
It does help the channel. All right, let's go over
to a couple of points.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are going to be getting on with sand Deep
from Polygon to break down where his blockchain is going.
But also take a look at low cost fees. You
look at what's going on right now in the US government.
The mint now strikes its last penny. Wonder what that's
going to be worse, the last minted penny completely phasing out,
and this of course is rattling retailers as we start

(00:57):
to see this transition. I want to go to this clip,
kind of break it down. Take a look.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, after two hundred thirty eight long years, production has
come to an end. Now Here is the moment the
mint produced the last penny. A press operator stamped it.
Right there. US Treasurer Brandon Beach oversaw the final strike.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
He says, the sale of pennies is heating up.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
People want to buy the pennies for two to three
cents each.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh my goodness, I've never seen prices like this.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Companies eventually start rounding up or rounding down, but no
mandates have been given from this administration. We'll be round like,
how are they going to handle prices?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
That'll be an interesting discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
All right, So this is going to be interesting because
you're going to have retail. I think that probably is
the most impacted on this, but it's most likely going
to be a scenario that plays out across other sectors
of industry as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
The things we're looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
When you compare to what's going on in the R
Toba sector, you can kind.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Of see the growth right there.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Polygon holding in the number four position always really around
the top five when it looks to r TOBA value
and overall value. So this continues to climb. You look
at that along with this right here where the Japanese
stable coin starting to see tremendous growth on Polygon. It
really gets into the question how fast will we see

(02:13):
Polygon rise up the charts? Here with all these things
that are very bullish for that chain. We've been reporting
on this chain for a long time. We have two
hundred and fifty seven Polygon videos. I didn't even know
that we had that many going in there. We've never
had sand deep on, so we thought, hey, if we
can get sand deep on, maybe it will be our

(02:35):
two hundred and.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Fifty eighth videos. So we want to welcome in Sandy.
How are you.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm very good, Paul, Thanks for having me here.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Let's get into a few points. First of all, what
did you think you were Apprecio. We were talking a
little bit about the stable coin growth there on the
Japanese stable coin, but you had mentioned the Australian dollar
also growing very strong.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Give me a breakdown of that.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
So basically at Polygon, we have been very extensively focusing
on payment and stable coin like away from the limelight
and all that and the fundamentals are.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Now showing up.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
So first we the throughout the twenty twenty five we
scaled the blockchain. At the start of the twenty twenty
five blockchain had Polygon blockchain had two hundred tps. Today
that tps stands at around one thousand to fifteen hundred tps.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
So we scaled the blockchain five seven to eight times.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
And our daily transactions were around three million transactions daily
on the chain.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
They are now trending towards five million transactions.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
And these are organic payment transactions primarily on stable coins
and on the stable coins. So people don't realize that
Polygon chain generally is on USDC. It is the number
one chain in terms of daily active users most of
the days ahead of base. Also you know where you
think of like home of Circle and all that. And

(03:51):
then for the us DT also generally Polygon chain is
in the top three. But the most important statistics on
Polygon we are seeing the are emerging is on the
local stable coins, like which I call it local stable
coins meaning you know, different different regional stable coins, and
there we are seeing aggressive traction like if you see
in the latam and you see the like first of all, globally,

(04:16):
non USD non Euro stable coins, Polygon has around eighty
to ninety percent market share globally. Then if you come
to Latam around sixty percent market share of the Latain
stable coins, and in Southeast Asia around eighty percent market
share of the the you know, Southeast Asia stable coin.
And that's when you see like jpyc recently launched on Polygon.

(04:37):
Like literally we are seeing any regional stable coin when
they launched, they launch Polygon is one of the launch chains.
Or in Africa you saw recently Flutterway, which is the
stripe of Africa where basically they also exclusively launched on Polygon.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
So we are seeing these regional stable coin launching.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
So jpyc is seeing you know, I think ten to
twenty times more traction than any other chain on Polygon.
And then Australian stable coin last month did two point
six billion dollars in overall you know volumes as per
some of the public stats. So you know this we
are seeing a mini you know, kind of explosion of
these regional stable coins.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
While US, the USDC and us d T you know,
mind you.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
That poly market is actually built fully on Polygon, right
and you know there you.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Already see it uses us DC, so we already see.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
A huge amount of USDC transactions happening on poly market also,
so apart from USDC and USIT, regional stable coins are
you know, doing pretty well on Polygon right now.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, doing great.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Actually, I would say it's the number one network out
there for it right now, in rivaling even what's going
on with ethereum. I was looking at this news right here,
which is Calistone tapping Polygon to distribute their token. It
is fun shares on chain. What does this mean for
you guys? This is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Absolutely, And you see in the r W side, like
for the last two years, we got into r w
as very early and you are showing some r W
statistics there and I think like one important characteristics that
you should see there for the stable coins is the
part that they were they have the transferability right. You

(06:14):
will see that the transferability is very important part. Where
that means it's not like somebody just picked up this
stable coin r W A and then you know, just
posted it on on on chain and saying that we
have this many billions of TV. These are actual stable
coins where or these are actual r w A assets
which are which actually have transferability and payments and you

(06:35):
know money movement around that, and we are very focused
on the payments and maney movements.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
So this is one of them.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
But if you see, if like if anybody is interested,
like you see the last six months of uh you know,
Polygon's journey, you will see multiple European big banks, multiple
uh you know banks across the world generally. Also they
have launched these large hedge funds or other kind of
their en As our w is on chain and we

(07:02):
are continuing to see. This is like a very small
thing compared to what is happening right now and which
you are going to hear in the few weeks coming
a few weeks. Unfortunately under ND I can't say, but
you will see, like you know.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Multiple multi trillion dollar.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
You know asset managers are coming alike and doing much
bigger stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Well, that's that's a good indicator I think where we're
going to see a lot of this moving in the
near future, especially with tokenized assets flowing and compelling into
the market. I'm looking at this data right here. This
is USDC monthly transfer volume on Robinhood and if you
can see Polygon actually doing very well over here. So

(07:44):
my question is why do we not have Polygon listed
on Robinhood?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I what's happening here?

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, I'm going to take this.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, I'm going to take the clip from here and
then you know we tag Robinood people or ping them
absolutely right, like you go and check the check the
Stripe statistics. Also like Stripe, the largest amount of volumes
happen on Polygon only first Stripe, right, and you are
going to again like again I'm not saying, but this
probably coming Thursday, like I think seventeenth, you are going

(08:17):
to see one of like one of the biggest and
the largest, you know, FinTechs in the world. Also, you know,
kind of announcing their move on Polygon. And you know
these things are happening at because all you are like
now finally able to see this because these things are
compounding now for us, right and we but we have
been at working this for the last six to twelve months,
and I want to remind the reminder viewers also like

(08:39):
back in the day when Polygon was a you know,
the you talked about the price chart and all that
when it was peak of it's you know this thing.
Then at that time, we were doing more if you remember,
enterprises like from Starbucks to Coola to the to the
biggest of the biggest were actually launching on Polygon and
what that that is what we get more instead of

(09:01):
mean coins and all that where we get less like
our DNA, like my DNA personally is not a very
speculative you know, you know of the kind. And so
the utility is what we see and we are good
at and I think, like good good to see that
the markets are actually coming into the utility side, and
that is where we are pushing very heavily.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
When you look at USDG, this of course is focusing
on Solana right now, and you compare that what happens
when robinhood enables USDG. Do you think this is going
to explode the use of this stable coin into the market,
especially with their distribution right now.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think like the USDG is expected
to expect it to or probably like is going to
launch very very soon on Polygon also, and I think
this this is like a stage wise launch for them,
and I definitely feel that, you know, Polygon being one
of the premiere, you know, kind of areas for the

(09:59):
state coin launch. I think USDG will also be launching
pretty quickly. And I know for a fact that the
teams are discussing like how we can also help them
to get more and more distribution on our polygon because it's.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Fairly still fairly new, new and at lead days for USDG.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Other big news, of course is poly Market announced a
big press release here with TKO that's basically the UFC.
This is kind of interesting to me visualizing fans sentiment
and perceived momentum that can compliments, not competes with regulated
sports petting. Obviously poly Market living on Polygon, this could
be pretty big for you guys. Fan prediction scoreboard during

(10:44):
UFC broadcast likelihood is going to make this even more aware.
What do you think about this kind of move when
you look at Polymarket.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, I myself, I'm a big UFC fan, a big
MMA fan, and you know I never miss the UFC
main events especially, and you know, this is a very
proud movement for me, Like you know, Polymarket being directly
integrated into USDC, so into UFC, it's phenomenal, right, Like

(11:11):
the kind of like exponential growth. We are seeing that
from Google to Yahoo Finance integrations and you know Nyz
integrating it. I think, you know, they have shown that
this exponential curve can be achieved. It became this big
in the first place. The early momentum came in because
it had blockchain and transparency and you know, the transparent

(11:34):
resolution of the markets and all that. And I think
this has this is a big show to various kind
of builders out there who are building in Web two
and they might see that Okay, using Web three you
can build these user flows which can actually bring you
to this exponential trajectory.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
So I think Polymarket not only.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
For prediction markets, it's a big, big win for the
entire Web three space, not only for Polygon, not only
for theium, but the whole space that the apps built
in Web three can become this big.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think we're going to see an explosion. Obviously, Polymarket
most likely going to launch a token here pretty soon.
My question sand deep to you, do you think they'll
launch it on Polygon or Solana.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I think that the coin they should actually launch on
ethereum itself. Like the you know, all the companies that
have been the standard generally that the base coin should
be launched on Ethereum, and that can be like you know,
air drop to their users on Polygon or wherever.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
They are using.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Right, I am a big believer of like the base
value should stay on the maximum decent life settlement layer.
And I consider that Ethereum and Bitcoin are the only
two chains which which can claim that that they are
the true settlement layers in Web three. So for a
company as big as Polymarket, I would recommend them to
launch on Ethereum.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
The token based token should launch.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
On Ethereum, and for distribution and all that they can use,
you know, obviously Polygon leg which is a cheap and
faster execution environment.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Like I don't see the change as l ones and
l two's.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I see them as execution environments and settlement environments. Okay,
Ethereum is maximally decentralized with thousands and thousands validators.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That's where the value stays.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
And then for doing the user transactions use an execution
layer like Polygon.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, hey, Shane watches the show, so he's probably listening
to this right now. Hopefully, Hey listen, I'm looking at
some of your upgrades here. Obviously the RIO upgrade. What
does this look like for poly market, especially around what
we'll see on payments or in general, how is this
Does it change anything major?

Speaker 5 (13:33):
So yeah, obviously one of the most important thing that
it provides is as I told you that we you know,
started with this two hundred tps start of this year
and then you know, we are already at around fifteen
hundred tps and we recently had our RIO upgrade which
allows us to now go to up to five thousand
tps within three to six months and then from their
scale in the next twelve to twenty four months two

(13:55):
hundred thousand tps, like you know, to give you an example,
at five thousand tps, polygon chain will be more performant
than probably Solana, which is really popular for its high
throughput high performance.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know, I want to achieve.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Is these sticky payments, you know, stable coin usages, money
movement usages, which are very sticky instead of the speculative
activity which goes up and comes down right you know,
as the speculative cycles.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
That is the goal.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
So if we take it to you know, five thousand
tps early next year and then you know, up to
two hundred thousand TPS within twenty twenty six hundred and seven,
I think if we have a deliberate chance of you know,
kind of competing these because these these open web rails,
open money rails, are eventually going to compete with the
you know, the.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Traditional money rails.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
And you know, one hundred thousand TPS is basically puts
poly on at like you know, the visa or the
MasterCard kind of ips, and I think that's fundamentally needed.
And then we have a lot of payment related stuffs
coming up, like you know, which is very some of
the very innovative stuff like you know, priority lanes for
certain kind of payments setting out of and whatnot. So

(15:01):
as those open up, that will also open up the
space for more revenue for the protocol.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
This is well, that could be huge, I think in
terms of the way that you're constructing it there, I
think that is a new kind of a new way
to look at it.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm looking at the L two B. This is in
reference to just ranking the roll ups here and being
you know, more I guess more related to eth versus
where you guys are right now in comparison. What do
you think, uh, what, first of all, why not be
more correlated to eth especially to be like in here

(15:36):
with Arbitrum and Base and you know optimism, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, see basically this is this, this L two
beats is based on a certain like kind of construction,
which is basically the layer two construction, which is based
on the kind of proofs this end. So polygon pos
sends a specific kind of like consensus proof instead of
instead of like a ZK or optimistic proof, and that

(16:01):
allows polygon ps to be extremely cheap because others like
you know these Arbitrum and you know other Base and
all the other l toos, they are sending their data
and proofs to ethereum, so their transactions are sometimes costly.
In case of polygon pos those transactions and data because
we are not sending all the transactions to ethereum.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
So that has benefits to the gas fees.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
And we right now want to capture more and more
of the usage and the users by providing an extremely
low gas fiece environment instead of like right now you know,
going for as you said that, you know, being part
of these charts and whatnot, and the zero knowledge technology
which will allow us to be you know, part of
this uh, as you said that, you know, the front

(16:48):
part of the l tw BE which will allow us
that we will that we will enable only when the
Z technology scales by at least one order of magnitude
more so that we can offer those cheap you know,
payment transactions to the end users that we are providing today.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
And that's the main reasons.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
How much cheaper would you say it is right now
in comparison to say Base, you know, which is the
number two roll up chain right here.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, so I think like generally with Base, it's most
of the time five to ten times cheaper than the
cheaper than an average transaction. Okay, well that's significant, but
even in the congested times, it's like at par with Base.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, I'm looking at Okay, so I know I'm peppering
you with a lot of questions. I'm trying to get
caught up on everything that Polygon is doing. You look
at Katana, which has been able to grow their dex
volumes significantly. Do you think this is going to surpass Polygons?
I mean, look at that we're setting at one point
one five billion right now at Katana. This is crazy.

(17:46):
Do you think this could surpass Polygon? TVL yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
So Katana basically you see like Polygon has Polygon chain
and the other product Polygon has his AGG layer, which
allows other chains to.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Long from them.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
So Katana is a chain that Polygon incubated with a
few other partners and whatnot. And you have many such
changs like you have X layer, okx is X layer,
and then we have some of the biggest brands like
finance brands in the world who are also going to launch,
and then AG layer provides the interoperability service to these chains.
They where the AG layer makes money, right, like the

(18:18):
which money goes goes back to also pole holders, right,
so the poleholders the poll token makes money or gets
the revenue from the pos chain, which is the Polygon
chain where the users are doing these payments and all
these transactions. And then the AG layer which has these
chains like Katana, and so many of these X layer,
Lumia and Hunt. You know, at least tens of these chains,

(18:40):
and by the end of next year probably like hundreds.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Of these chains. These chains the use.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
AG layer for the interoperability service where they pay very
small fees to two poleholders. So these are the two
main revenue sources. So Katana because it's a pure DeFi chain.
Like as you ask, like you know, this might go
beyond like Polygon po chain that that is the total
value locked, and it might go But the purpose of
these two chains is very different. Like when you say

(19:07):
that when you see the TVL, it is the TVL
locked in the defile protocols, whereas the Polygon chain is
primarily focused on payment. So obviously those stable coins are
not going to show in the TVL of the defile protocols,
whereas the on Katana, they're all that. All the TVL
that goes there is show shows up on the TVL
of the on the product.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Right, So on.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Polygon Polygon chain, for example, you have three hundred and
I think three point five billion dollars in stable coins,
and other coins also include three billions, So Polygon is
actually at six billion dollars if you look at the
total value.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Six in comparison, yeah, versus the one.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Point, it's much. It's a much much bigger environment than that.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
But Katana is fully focused only on a specific DeFi
use case.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It's a DeFi super app.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I will say, speaking of DeFi use cases, vaults are
becoming a huge thing. We're to see other chains out there.
Danie is of course over on sweet Network is launching
stuff there. You can kind of see with kai finance,
what's the best way to earn yields in volts and
safest on Polygon right now, so.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
The best and the stafest, like we have Waltz, like
Morpho is actually launched on Polygon and you know, people
can have their deposit lending activities on there. Then on
the AG layer ecosystem you have Katana and probably like
a bunch of volts on the AG layer side. Also,
plus we have a particular product. So another thing which
I did not mention, like on top of AG layer,

(20:36):
we have this Valt bridge, which is currently like probably
you know, also already growing as one of the top
walls in the space, is where people bridge into the
AG layer and the AG layer connected chains so that
you know, kind of puts your stable coins and the
money into a lending borrowing protocol and ethereum where those
coins can be lend borrow and then you earn a

(20:56):
yield on that and then you know a.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Representative token is given on the other side.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Right, so you let's say you moved on hundred thousand
dollars onto a chain, onto a let's say Katana or
some aglier chain, you get you know, your yield of
one hundred thousand dollars on ethereum and then plus you
are also you're getting your hundred thousand dollars on the
other side on the chain to do your activity.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
So you literally, like you know, also making yield.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
If you take those table coins and put it in
a DeFi pool, you also get yield on that. So
that's the DeFi super charging Katana does, and that's enabled
by a wold bridge. That is another protocol, another protocol
of Polygonia.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Listen, we've been covering Courtyard for a long time. If
you look at where Courtyard is currently, I'm just looking
at the DeFi LAMA data here and you can also
see a good comparison of where they're ranking in comparison
to you know, some of the other big platforms out
there like Busy and figitals. What about if Courtyard doesn't

(21:54):
open its platform up. Do you think that's going to
be a deterrent for Courtyard to grow? What are your
thoughts about Courtyard right now?

Speaker 5 (22:02):
For Courtyard, first of all, like the team is absolutely
one of the best teams that I've seen executing like
I think because of polymarket, they get overshadowed, but people
don't realize that they might be the second or the third,
like the third largest or the fastest growing app which
is actually generating a huge amount of meaningful revenue and

(22:22):
sticky usage.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
And you know, I think like that.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I believe in the team that you know, they are
very forward looking. They figured out this market where everybody
thought that you know, their pokemons are also like real
world uh you know, kind of NFTs, right, And a
lot of people initially because NFTs were used to be
these abstract artwork NFTs and pfps and all that, and
a lot of people discarded that you know, this is

(22:47):
this will not succeed.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
This has never succeeded the real world NFTs on blockchains.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
And what you are seeing now with Courtyard proving that,
you know, I think that you know a lot of
this is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Like digitals, for example, was a big buzzword back in
the day.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
But I think Courtyard in a way, like those poke
Pokemon cards can be said in the form of like,
you know, they have a physical card and then you
have a they are physicals only, And I think once
they have proven the success for that, I think similar
kind of categories which have that kind of fan basis.
I think, you know they will and the team will.
I believe in the team that they will be the

(23:22):
you know, kind of fast movers and they will do
whenever they will see that actual business like. They will
not do for hype the team. The way I know
the team, they will not do.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Some things or hype.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
They will do it only when they feel that the
revenue margins can be made here.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, listen, we'd love to get a warm handshake into
the team because we'd love to have them on the show.
If We've attempted to reach out to them quite a bit,
so hopefully we can get them on.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
We'd love to have Courtyard one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I will, I will, I will get it done.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Last question to you is on the meme coins scenario
that's playing out. I'm We're on tex screener right now,
and of course I don't see that many meme coins
coming in on Polygon. We've seen them on Suite, we've
seen on Avalanche. Is that the problem is there's just
too many on other other chains that it's just not
really beneficial to.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Start to go in this direction. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean, see, like we we could never like as
I said, it's about the DNA and we you know,
we would love to have these meme coins and other
kind of trading activity on the chain. But I basically
I think like as a team, we don't have the
DNA to have these you know, meme coins to grow
these meme coins. Like the chains where you see these

(24:33):
meme coin activity a lot, you see the team's DNA
is also very you.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Know, kind of aligned to that.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Like for us, I think Solana communities like that, like
you know, they are really really cool for these meme
coins and all that. Like you know, we were never
like that, and so we never really ventured into the
meme coins properly, to be honest, like they were like
there was ven dot markets. There was a small attempt
like that, but we could never understand the whole market,
and by by now, like the market is already yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, and I think if you look at the strength
of Solana and maybe even Sweet to a certain extent,
meme was probably a cornerstone of them supporting it, which
is maybe why we didn't see the strength coming out
of the Polygon token in general during that cycle. You know,
obviously things will change as payments in our deb a
plays into the strength of the market for what you

(25:23):
guys are doing, especially with your consistency around stable coins,
so it'll be interesting to watch the growth over the
next few months.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Sandy. But it's been great having you on.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm surprised and uh kind of happy at the same
time that we finally got you on the show.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
But thanks for coming in today. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Thanks one made me would love you come back again.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
We'll get you back for sure.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Awesome. Thanks bad All right.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Guys, you know what to do. If you're not in
our Diamond Circle. You guys can get involved in that.
It's our most private group. It's very easy to join.
We always leave a link down below.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just click that.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's free, and of course hit me out there on
x app Paul Baron. We'll catch you next time right
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