October 25, 2025 • 54 mins
The multi talented soul singer Ebony Baylock joins The Podguyz this week to tell us of her journey in the music world. she takes on her struggles, the fun and the oppurtunitys of the music world and her struggles with mental health. Tune in ,laugh and share.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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we do what.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, everybody in Facebook love Land. Weird the podcast podcast,
bringing it to you as we do ten fifteen Eastern
Standard Time. I am Tony kaz.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Kevin near here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Of course, we have the ever loving Pea cost So,
the uh drawer of all things fantastical, sometimes non fantastical,
lesparque and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Spark He's there rocking the Star Wars T shirt on
the big board. He's got the big letter H and
the bigger letter I right there saying hi to all
the audience. For everyone out there who hasn't watched the
show and is tuning in for the first time, Sparky
kind of draws what we're talking about and things that
he's witnessed throughout the week. Okay, he is the fly
on the wall, the background character, the foursome in a
(00:55):
threesome Minaja twas situation, the one who is not participating
but just keeping those dark seated memories sort of thing.
He was the co co pilot when going down to
Epstein Island. Just to illustrate for all, Sparky is there
but has never really seen there. Uh, Tony, we got
a guest right now, we do. We are.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We are blessed to have a beautiful lady who join
us today. Of course, hailing from the mean streets of Chicago.
Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wo wow, hailing from the.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mean streets of Chicago. We are joined by Ebonie Block.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Hey, Hey, hey, hey, thanks for having me. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now, you guys may or may not know Ebony, but
you are going to learn today. There's a reason why
she's here, and that reason is.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, well here it's the description right here. Tony is
put down as Ebonie the Ebonizer. Do you go by
the Ebenizer?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, go by the Avonizer.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Nice, I like it. We'll just add the banizer. Baylock
is a powerhouse talent whose journey began with the world
renowned sold Children of Chicago. Can get tell us about
the soul children or the audience watching listening in and
throughout the Chicago, New York Pennsylvania area, east coast, west coast,
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all around the world, Who are the sole children of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So when I was smaller, so I always made this joke.
I was four years old and I love the Lion King, right,
And this is back when we had like VHS, the
tapes and I played the Lion King so much that
I like broke the tape and like, oh, Mama yelled
at me.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
She said, oh, oh God, stop singing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
She said, I gotta put you in choir, and so
I joined the church choir and then I just started
singing ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And my mom was like, I gotta put you on
someone else.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You can't stop singing, and so she put me into
an audition for what Woodmen and sould Sich Chicago is
a renowned gospel group. I joined that at the age
of seven, and you know, with the Soul Children, I
was so blessed to you know, sing along with stars
like a lot of Adams Landon, Nick Carter. The list
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goes on and I'm eight, nine years old meeting all
these people. I thought it was so cool, you know,
and you know, I just thank God for the experience
because I think it really taught me, like you know,
you see all like the sparkling lights of being famous
or that whole star world. But man, imagine being like
eight years old having go to the bathroom because it
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was hard headed didn't go and you have to wait
backstage waiting for Nick Carter to finish and he had
to do it three times or never. I'll never forget
this performance. It was a war show and we were
just sitting backstage because we've singing.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. So Nick
Carter had to use the bathroom three times? You did, okay?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Okay, I thought.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
To use the bathroom. I had to go, like, you know,
you have to go. You can't hold it. He went
three times. He had to do his song three times,
and I'm like, how many times did this dude.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Have to sing this song?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I had to hold my I had to hold it
until we was done finishing perform with with Landa Adams.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I read.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I never ran so fast.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I ran to the bathroom and I was like, man,
if I'm a star, I have to sing my song
three times too. I was only eight, but you know,
being a part of Soul Church and it gave me
those experiences, but it taught me like, if you want
to be a part of his business, gotta work hard.
It's not easy for.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Sure, yeah, because you know there will be somebody out
there that brought a catheter with them, you know, and
and they just don't need to use the bathroom and
they'll be and they'll be like, Oh, let's hire the
kid that never used that never needs he needs to
use the bathroom. Yeah, it's probably a little less talented.
He'll do it for less money. But let's do that idea,
and we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Take the kid with the diaper.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
A little bit of vertical integration right there. We'll have
the diaper commercial sing aside the whole thing. You know,
So you've been at this since you've been eight years old? Yeah,
oh my god. That And how old are you right now?
If you don't mind me asking, I'm thirty three. Now,
thirty three, so you hat now for people that don't understand,
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entertainment is kind of like dog years. Okay, you see
a lot more when you're actively doing this here after
your especially when you're going childhood into thirties. What was
one of your most unique experiences that spikes in your
head immediately when you say to yourself, Okay, holy crap,
(05:38):
that actually happens.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know, I think that when I I guess kind
of first one solo, you know, because it's different being
in a group and acquired, right, but when your solo
and everybody's looking at you and you don't have nobody
else to buy. Oh she hit the wrong note or
this and that, and it's all of you. I think,
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whoop me up, Like, oh, I gotta be really good
at this. I can't suck right. Singers has a bad right.
Rappers you can. You can kind of like play along.
But if you're a true singer and you get up
there crack but hit the wrong note, everybody's talking about you.
And my first solo performance. When I was first did
my first solo recording, it was like, man, I'm truly
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an artist. I'm doing this for real, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So Yeah, the up rap performers live by the way
nothing life the altu. You know, the only person I'll
give credit to half credit he's passed away right now,
probably DMX when you're going, you know, he's going full
macho man Randy Savage on the thing where he's just
like a man, I feel bad for your vocal.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I don't know what he took before the concert. You
haven't seen DMX live, Yeah, it was on ten. The
whole performance, like he will literally like pray did jump
then run.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm like the whole performance.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And he's thinking, he's thinking, like all the gods he's
going through Allah. He's going through Jesus and stuff, and
he's got and then he's like he's mentioning people who
might be knowing them right now. He's like my grandma,
you know. I'm like, all right, you know, cool mention man,
I don't even know, you know. Yeah. Also known as
the worst pet owner around DMX because he's always wondering
where his dogs are at, you know, like, dude, keep
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track of your own dogs. I don't know, right, that's
the world's greatest. That's the shittiest joke I could think of,
right there, Ebony, that was that was pretty awful, right yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
But real quick, what's your favorite song to sing? Maybe
not one of your own, but just your favorite one
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where you could just any time of day sing it
and say, now, this is going to get me in
a good mood.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Oh, I will say, oh, Like I'll be honest with you,
Like any like Whitney song, Like okay, Whitney Hues is
the reason why I want to sing. I ain't I
want to sing like her. I didn't know I asked
she would grow up and not how to sing, but
like any.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All right, but he hit hit.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, any any Whitney for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No boy, no Bobby Brown, No.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, I don't know. That's my prerogative and I'm
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Hence the song everyone, hence the song. Now, of course,
your versatility in presence has led you to appear in R.
Kelly's iconic music video The World's Greatest. Maybe talk a
little bit about that. What happened? What was what was
that opportunity?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It was long, It was so long. It was there
for twelve hours. Oh damn.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I was like, you gotta be here this long, Like
I'm tired. And I remember, like I was supposed to
I was the kid around the ring. I was supposed
to be the kid in the ring, but everybody made
a joke. My head was so big that I couldn't
get the side the ropes inside of the ring, and
so I tried to get for five minutes and everybody
was getting irritated with me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I had to go outside the ring. And it
was just amazing. But it was long.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'm like, you not do all this with music video.
But again, it was like, you know, being around because
it was other celebrities in that video too. It was like, Wow,
I was a starstruck the whole time. I was like,
can I get you all the grab? Can I take
a picture? And it was like, go sit down somewhere, girl,
Go sit down.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But yeah, there's everything about being in the right place
at the right time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, And that was just like I would never forget
those moments you sit down and be like am I
here for real?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Like is this happening? That was the type of moment
I was happening for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's really cool. Yeah. You have you appeared in any
other music videos? Or was that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I meant like independent.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
A lot of like Chicago artists, like on the Gospel
Army side.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Have you made you?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I actually will? It will be dropping soon.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I got a lot of couple of videos out,
but the music video for my own single, y out
Pretty Song?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So yeah, pretty excited.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now have you have you wandered into the area of
acting yet?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I dibble and dabbled.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
See the thing is, I don't want to remember lines.
See that's my problem. It's like looking at sprits, I said,
I can remember all these lines.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like that's I mean, think about just like it's just
like a song.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Then you know, just what's longer than the song? Like
I'm looking at me, I say, this is kind of thick.
This is kind of thick. Here me remember this, Like, yeah,
but I had tried to. I don't try to dubble
and dabble in the film world too, because I see
like a lot of artists going to like the film
side of it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You have to be Yeah, you have to be everywhere
all the same time. Yeah, And that's uh, that's the
tough part and the worst thing is after you're doing
everything at the same time, going full speed twenty four
to twenty five hours a day. You see where I'm
getting at, You have one person come up here and say, hey,
are you still doing that thing? And it could be
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it could be somebody that's closest family where they're like,
are you still doing the music thing? Yeah? You know,
did you? Or The worst question you could ever ask,
like or not? The worst suggestion I've ever gotten is like,
do you have a fallback? Do you have any fallback? Career?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I used to get that ass all the time, like
do you have a plan B? Well if this doesn't
work out? You know, well to get to the music.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You ask when you ask women if they have a
plan B. That's how they got pilled. They might have
it in their purse. You never know. But no, it's
a it's a very it's a very insulting kind of thing.
You know, go up to a dentist and say, hey,
this whole thing doesn't work out. Yeah, you know, I
think it's more of a financial concern. But why would
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you want to be doing something you hate forever guaranteed
without pursuing something you love while maybe doing something you
hate as well, to just continuously pursue what you're what
you're loving to do. So you are doing strictly solo
stuff now right.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I have a label, you know, Music of our records,
so we do a lot of advance in concerts as well. Uh,
and we help other independent artists like myself because it's hard,
Like I just think, especially with straming and all this
AI stuff, Like they just signed an AI artist a
three million dollars deal. Well that is in my mind,
like we compete against robots, like, you know, like we're
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struggling out here trying to get it and they gave
three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well that's just the thing. Before we were struggling before,
you know, musicians were struggling against robots. They were struggling
against musicians that don't want to let go. Yeah, and
I'll bring up the biggest culprit of all. They're rolling stones.
Oh and then you have the Forever farewell tours. You've
had the Elton John farewell toward the Kiss farewell tours,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, Aerosmith, grateful that's dead, and they're they're still doing it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They're the they're the uh yeah, they're the afterlife right now,
grateful dead sort of thing. But this is all because
of Barbara Streisan. She did that, She did her farewell tour,
and everybody freaked out. People were like, oh my god,
this is the last time we'll be able to see
Barbara Streisan. Meanwhile, normal music goers are like, she sings
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the hell you're talking about, Why would you want to
see Barbara strid That's like me wanting to see Michelle
Pfeiffer tap dance. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to see that.
I don't, you know, I'm not going to go out
of my way because I don't feel like that's her
complete strength right there. But once she did it, then
Share copied that idea, and the copying continued. The Rolling
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Stones right now are just continuously going, not allowing like
they're keeping their audience and they're garnering more people in
their audience. And the longer that they hold on to
their audience, the less opportunity other new and upcoming artists
have without a lot of money behind them. So if
you see the new upcoming artists behind them getting that
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big push. For example, Sabrina Carpenter was pushed to meet
I think it was Britney Spears maybe, but I want
to say somebody younger even but they already have somebody's
back up to back up to a backup plan just
in case it screws up. No, it was it was
Sabrina Carpenter meeting Miley Cyrus at the time. I mean,
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how old are we right? You know? So she's meeting
Miley Cyrus and they're kind of grooming that situation so
that way they get used to the spotlight, they get
used to the hundreds of people surrounding them, thousands of
people surrounding them. And that gets me to my next question, Ebony,
biggest audience you've ever performed live in front of? How
big was that audience?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I will say this five five to six thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's a lot of people. That does not sound like
a large number when you're talking in pesos or anything
like that, but it is a lot of people all
around six thousand people. And this is while camera phones
were going on, right, yeah, yeah, so now you have
not just before you got not everybody has a camera before, right,
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so you know, whatever, if you screw up, one person's
got footage, no big deal. But now everyone is a
content creator. They all have their cameras on you. You
have a thousand different people you have out of six
thousand people today, I would say five thousand of those
people have their own YouTube channel and they're ready to
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jot down their experience. They have their own tiktoks they
have and you know these uh, they might only last
a year, but these are still new exposure points all around,
which is a good thing and a bad thing. It
does get, you know, the noise kind of gets way too,
way too rough, to the point where they leave it
up to the robots to tell you what you're supposed
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to like with the algorithm. What does your algorithm look
like on your phone?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, it's funny that you mentioned it, because it's like,
I'll be on TikTok and they had a for you page.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And I'm like, man, how you know what I like?
Like weird, you know, and then it's just like a loophole.
It's I'm like, hmmm, this AI is something else for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I know when my when my TV ended up
biting the dust a couple of years back. I had
my buddy Mike give me a ride up to the
Best Buy so I can get a TV. He says,
what kind of TV are you going to get? And
I was like, probably the same one as last time.
You know, it's a smart TV. He says. You know,
those smart TVs can hear what you're saying and they
can see what you're doing. I said, well, that makes
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me feel kind of bad because I only had my
TV for five years and you're telling me it only
saw me and it heard me. And it just killed
itself after a while, didn't it. It couldn't take it anymore.
It knew Yeah. Yeah, So I guess there are you know,
some kind of devices inside of devices are you on TikTok?
Like for you got a lot of shorts out there
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or you do a lot of well, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Kevin Ebony is a highly uh committed, highly committed to
mental health as far as like your music and you
know you're not to say activism, but like things that
you you want to get back to the community, which
is really really nice. So what have you started, uh
as far as like, I know you've done some entrepreneurship,
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you've done some producing, you've done uh writing as well. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, uh, you know there's some crazy, crazy stuff
out there. What is your whole commitment to uh to
mental health?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think you know me going through it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think everybody in the industry went through some type
of mental health type of episode, right, because this industry
is crazy and if.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You don't have the right people in the right mindset,
very toxic. It's very toxic.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Where you what, it's a spiritual thing, your faith based,
whether it's you know, maybe it's uh you're doing a
positive saying, maybe it's the people around you. You gotta
have like some type of solid foundation to keep your
mind focused because if not, this industry will like tear
you apart and make you go crazy. If you look
at all the celebrities that you thought was happy and
they committed suicide or they going crazy and people looking
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like why you haven't been in this industry? And so
for me, I think mental health is important because it
starts with the mind. Right, once somebody got control your mind,
that's it. It's for me, I'm a big advocate, you
know me going through you know my bouts. I'm a
suicide survivor, and I know what it means to like
feel like you just don't belong here, and so I'm
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always advocating for that, like even through my music or
you know, whatever I do through my businesses.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I want to like empower and curse somebody else, like
you're not alone.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It's okay talk to somebody if you don't speak up,
like you got to speak up though, because I'm not
a mind reader. I'm not a psychic, So I tell
people you got I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Thought you said you was a mind reader. Hold on
now I'm next week is the mind reader? Okay, I'm sorry,
miss so. No, did you ever hear about the Miss
Cleo scammer? No? You know, miss Cleo. We used to
teach everybody how to make.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Trouble though.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I remember I used to call yeah read my feature
and my mom.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
My mom was so mad. It was like seventy eighty
dollars sound like, well she could see my future.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well she got she got charged a child.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh you're gonna find love real soon.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, next up.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
The fastest test.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The weirdest part was that Miss Cleo was found not
to be It's like after they charged her with bracketeering
and she says, she says, I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
They're like, I would have did, They're telling you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Let's talk about the Ebinized Chill Tour Ebonized Chilter.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
All right, yeah, so me and my husband. So my
husbands is a comedian. He goes by mister Noe Chill
and so what we did was on the Ebinizer course.
So we're just blending our brands together and we're doing
a couple of cities this year, but next year it's
going to be like full blown and basically we're going
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to various cities combining like using entertainment to really spread
and promote mental wellness. So we do we have like workshops,
different speakers, we have different people tell their stories, We
got performances and really we just want to be a
safe space for people, like people are afraid to like
people are afraid to say they heard it. They're not okay,
because they're afraid people going to judge them. But it's
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no judge zone over here. It's like, man, you could
come to our tour. It's a safe place where you
could have a platform to speak out and be heard
and it get the.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Help that you need.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We all need help, especially in this economy. We don't
know what's going to go and happen. Everything's a little
bit crazy right now. We just want to let people know, like, hey,
come on with our platform and get the help that
you need.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This economy is great. Three dollars for gas. That means
you only need twenty five seconds to get a high
for the day. Just spraying a little time.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I remember when gas was like ninety nine cent. I
remember that I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, eight seventy oh yeah, it was Yeah, it
was very affordable to live. And that's the lure right there.
They say, hey, guys, it's affordable to live. You should all,
you know, buy into this life idea, and uh, you know,
people end up. The one one phrasing that always catches
me a little funny is and I don't know who
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coined it to begin with, but I heard people are
being priced out of their homes. And I'm like, man,
that's a fun word for calling people fucking homeless if
you yeah, so are you a bum? Are you homeless? No? No, no, no,
I was priced out. I'm good. I was just priced
out of the home. Yeah, they told me I could
no longer afford it. But if you look at the
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prices of rent today, or even or even home ownership
or trailer ownership or boarding room owner boarding room houses,
like you need to have two jobs just to get
into a boarding room facility, so the I guess jail
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isn't even free.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know, you need two jobs and a couple of hustles,
you know. Yeah, like I was, my husband went to
the grocery store. You spend one hundred dollars for five IELs,
So I'll be like, what did we get? I remember,
one hundred dollars used to give you a lot. Now
it's nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And that's that's where the lack of sympathy comes in.
When people are you know, working their butts off. You
me tony, not sparky. Now, sparking works sass off too,
you know. But when people are complaining, saying like how
am I supposed to sport myself with only three thousand
dollars in food stamps? I'm like, what the fuck are.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You talking about?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You're gonna start a.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Fucking restaurant with you? I don't, goddamn no, how do
you have seven kids your.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't know. Kevin's Snap benefits are stopping soon.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They are stopping in a snap final Snap is coming
by no oh lover the uh. The thing. The thing
is that you know as much as I do, every
time there seems to be any repercussion for an action
to a reaction, it never happens ever. You know, I
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remember when the US economy goes into a billion dollars
worth of debt, Everyone's like, fuck, how are we gonna
pay back a billion dollars? And then it was thirty
billion dollars and everyone's like, wha fuck, how are we
gonna pay back thirty billion dollars? And now we're at
thirty seven trillion and everyone's like so numb to it.
(23:56):
We're like, fucking you gotta go fuck for thirty seven
trillion dollars. You know, we're we're not going to pay
it back. We could try, but we're we're not going
to you know then, and no one has the actual
solution for it. You know, there there is, there is
a real solution for it. So and it and it
focks two sides over real quick, right, real quick. So
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anyone that has a billion dollars, right, tax them one
hundred percent. After that, you don't get to have more
than a billion dollars. Just thrown it out there. And
then anyone who has been on welfare more than five
years no more, see you later, you know, just see
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how it focks both sides over. No one would like it,
but that's how you do it. And that's the problem.
No one wants to sip the medicine mathematically, that's how
it worked. But enough politics. You know, we're we're seeing
all these protests, and you know, back in my day,
we're protesting war. We were protesting, we're protesting invading Iraq
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irrationally and all that nice stuff like that's an actual
protest right there. And then we were protesting Wall Street
for stealing everybody's money and getting bailed out. That's what
we were protesting. Now somebody makes a fucking joke about
a third term and they're like, no, mar Kings, are
you talking about there's not a king. Do you know
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what it would take to get a king?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
We could barely get a budget passed, barely. I could
barely get ten people together for fantasy football every year,
besides a protest about a monarchy that is never eminent
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So it feels like, what if DEM's just wanted to
go on vacation. I think that might be a thing, like, Hey,
we're gonna go on vacation in two weeks. Oh, that's
perfect timing. We'll get them, you know, we'll get away
and we'll just go on vacation for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We'll be back heaveny. Chicago is told to be one
of the highest crime cities in all of the United States.
She's from Atlanta right now. You're in Atlanta right now.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, So, I mean Chicago. It depends.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
It depends where you are. I mean every city has
its bad and good.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I'm originally from Baltimore, so I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, so I think there's a stigma. Oh, Chicago actually
is Memphis right now has the highest crime and they
y'all beat us because there's a lot of stuff going
down in Memphis.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
They're holding the hot potato.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So I just think that every I mean, Chicago's beautiful.
If you're in Chicago, downtown Chicago, it's beautiful. It's a
lot of talent there.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Beautiful buildings, yea, beautiful buildings. It's a Midwestern, slightly cleaner
version of Manhattan. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, now you're not going
certain now, like I tell people, come to Chicago. Let
me know, because certain places in Chicago you cannot go to.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You might not get out. That is true.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
But if you avoid those places and you go and
enjoy the other beat for parts, like Chicago's a.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Dope city for real. So it's just really it's really good.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So how is Atlanta treating you right now?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Atlanta is it's definitely hustlers. It is is different. It's different.
It's a lot of I'll say it's a lot of
it's it's an entrepreneur state. Like it's a lot of people.
I never saw people that don't have jobs, but they
have hustles.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's what that's.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Like.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Versus Chicago. Chicago you see a lot of nine to
fivers and things. Atlanta is everybody business owners. They want
to work on them sales.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So there's the difference between the hustle and then hustling. Yeah,
in Chicago they're hustling. In Atlanta, they're all about the
hustle you.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Have, and then you gotta watch which hustle you meet
down here in Atlanta. Oh yeah, to get tripped up here.
So yeah, yeah, it's it's different.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
If it sounds like two hundred dollars, it's probably fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, drift, Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Now Atlanta has become the hotbed for the music industry,
for TV and commercials. It's become become like super big
for production editing. Like there's some massive, massive opportunities, especially
in Atlanta or even outside of Atlanta right on the
(28:31):
outskirts to make some really amazing uh you know, forward
forward progress.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, it's a Milton pot.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
There's a lot of people coming from like Chicago, LA,
different places because it's kind of like, I think this
is becoming like the new Hollywood because a lot of
people are shifting from the LA, the New York's there's
a lot of people from New York.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's crazy amounts of money.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, and it's coming in Yeah, So it's it's coming
like the New High.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
My favorite, my favorite, my favorite thing about Atlanta was
watching the TV show Bait Car in Atlanta, because I mean,
it was the most entertaining of all bait Car seasons
in Atlanta because they can never catch immediately like normally
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they put bait car there, a person runs a block,
they chase him down. They got him right in Atlanta.
Dude was going for a fucking mile without breathing. I
swear he's going, he's running, and I'm like, you know,
if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm gonna get like if
you know how to catch a fucking ball. Because they
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had to bring a helicopter out for this guy, couldn't
catch him. It was like the high speed chase of
a guy on foot. I don't know if he had
Warren's out for him at all, but man, have you
ever watched Bait Car Abony?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah? I think I watched.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I didn't watch the Atlanta one, but I could actually
believe you're in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, I can believe that.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
They they pros, you know they that's say you come
down here in Atlanta, you gotta be careful this guy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This guy was not stopping. I was. It was they
had to do like a commercial break and they're like,
I'm still worth the same guy. I'm like, what the fuck?
This is a twenty minute show. Oh man, he was
running that. He was running that long, and I don't
know if they, you know, caught him because I had to,
you know, get back to life. You know. I'm like,
(30:33):
I can't, I can't keep watching this long time. Yeah, yeah,
this is the just the one dude, you know, the
So you're solo right now? Where is your next venue at?
Where's the next big show at that you are sold
out or soon to be sold out at?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
So we so we would be in Vegas. It's gonna
be No, it's gonna be my EP release. And so
I'm super excited releasing new music. You know, it's always
I think it's refreshing. It's a little bit kind of
like get a little nervous because when you release music,
you want to people like it. But yeah, we're gonna
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be in Vegas next month, November twenty third, at the
Downtown Ground Hotel in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I'm super silk about that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You're gonna kill it in Freemont area or is that
like the the newer, newer Vegas it's downtown.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I know, it's downtown Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Downtown. Okay, there's somebody. Have you ever been out that way?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I've been to Fremont Street.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So, being my husband a couple, we was in the
Four Queens Hotel. I've never been to Freemont Street. I've
been to Las Vegas before that. I didn't know if
Freemont Street was that live.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Like it's crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They had what's that what you call you? Flying zipp
zip Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, had the zipp zipline there. I mean they had
to go fool. I mean every day we found something
new in Freemont. So, yeah, I said, I definitely gotta
go back on Freemont Street.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I stayed at the Oh my god, I thought that
was the name of the place there for a second.
I'm like, right now, God, damn it, I forget. It's
like one of the most popular resorts down there. But anyways,
we stayed on Fremont Street and then of course, like
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we had no idea, like even at that time, the
whole not to say, the whole controversy between Old Vegas
and New Vegas. So they're far apart, like really really
far apart from each other. And the only way to travel,
like the best route is of course by taxi or
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by bus, and like getting back and forth, the public
transportation system is absolutely insane down there. So we were,
of course like there's a million and one things to
do in Old Vegas. So if if anybody's watching, happen
to go to Older Vegas some really really cool stuff,
(33:07):
you know, as far as like, like you said, the
entertainment even on Fremont Street itself was like way popping. Yeah,
so they have live bands that play all given times. Uh,
there's usually street performers and artists and sword swallowers, magicians
and pickpockets and.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh like crazy there are more men's sword swallowers than women.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Noticed the discrepancy there, and like aren't you amazed at
the sword swallowers. I'm like more like the gender thing,
where are all the women's sword swallowers? He any the
are you an author? It says here that you're an author.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, So I wrote a book. It's called Belief Monic Assistency,
and so it's basically like a self apartment book. Like
I think people when you tell when you tell people
to believe in themselves, and it's like Okay, what does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
You know?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And so I just wrote a book to get people
my mindset, like how I keep going, how I keep
chasing after my dreams and getting things done because it's
one thing to to work hard, but you gotta be consistent.
And a lot of people they want they fail one
time and they give up, right, you gotta you gotta
work it out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And you can't be lazy. You know, you can't be lazy.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You talk about you want to be a millionaire that
it doesn't it doesn't add up. So yeah, it's called
a BGC formula Believe Ground and Consistency. It's out on
Amazon anywhere you buy books, Bars and Noble everywhere.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So you don't self published or did you go through
like a different publisher? I self published plished, Yeah of course, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah independent.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, I saw that royalties coming, like, oh I.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Like this for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I stayed at the Golden Nugget, by the way, that's
what it was, the Golden Nugget. It was cool.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What are the what is the old Denzel Washington quoted
speech where it says, uh uh to dream big, it's uh,
it's don't be afraid to fail big, to dream big,
but remember, dreams without goals are just dreams and they
ultimately fuel disappointment. So have dreams, but have goals, life goals,
(35:31):
yearly goals, monthly goals, daily goals, and give yourself a
goal every day sort of thing. Something like that, right,
I don't know, Yeah, it was a Denzel Washington has
basically just been playing himself for the longest time. We
don't know if he has or has it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If I gave you two or three Denzel Washington movies
and said tell me which movie that is, I wouldn't know.
I would have no idea. You know, I get the
same in Confused with Tom Hanks. Everything after Forrest Gump
is just Tom Hanks playing a dude. You know, it's
Tom Hanks and Wilson. On an Island was just a
(36:12):
long FedEx commercial or UPS commercial like, oh see FedEx
will get your fucking stuck on an island sort of thing. Yeah,
what is your favorite movie?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Go to Ebony, Oh Man, I love Forrest Gump.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I Forrest Gump was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Trimp you could you could bake shrimp forced.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
It's a lot like it's a lot of movies I like,
I mean, Lion King.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I'm sorry. I love like Kick as a soundtrack, the original.
I don't like the remade. I like the original, liking
with Elton John like, I don't know what Elton John
doding that soundtrack. He puts some magic on it. I
love that soundtrack. So yeah, the Lion King for me
always just I've that movie.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I like him. They probably told Elton John something like
so this is about two lions, fucking. I got something
for that. I got something right now, thanks for that.
I got this and it comes up with that. Can
you feel the love tonight, which is you know, played
in zoos everywhere to help lions. Fuck, it's just the
(37:23):
whole thing, you know. If not for Elton John, lions
would have been extinct a long time ago. Just uh.
And Sparky's got something on the big board there, Sparky,
were you involved in that? What's going on here? Sparky?
Hurry up, Jenny before I ruin, before I ruin your robe?
Oh too late? Restroom, Jenny? All right, john n I
(37:51):
j Johnny, I've been feeling weak from the aide you
gave me. Wait what hold on, we can't say that
in the movie. People won't want to watch it. Let's
just say she has a mystery disease, and Forrest also
has to take care of the son that she kept
away from him and sits on a bench telling a
(38:12):
random women and men his story that nobody cares about.
I like how Forrest Gump in that movie was just
everyone knows he was a little mentally slow, but the
army loved him for it. They're like, this man is amazing.
(38:32):
Or how that movie is now used as an example
every time, well as it's used as an example in
how you get an oscar? You know with Oh God,
what's the name of the Ben Stiller Robert Downey Jr.
Tropic Thunder, Robert Downey Junior's character goes up to Ben
(38:52):
Stiller and he says.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
Forrest Gump, Forstcump was a war hero. He's like, uh,
I am Sam. That guy wasn't that guy was?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know? He uh he got custody of his daughter
in that He's like, you simple jack far into the bathtub.
I think that's funny. So you have to you have
to have some kind of character arc to the to
the character that that is that is really having some
some trouble. If you remember Tropic Thunder's simple Jack character
(39:29):
where you know, you have such classic lines where he's
like it hurts in my feeling spot. You know, it's
like dude, what the fuck you doing? Sort of thing.
But the h but now perfect example, if you're going
to have a character with flaws, make them, make them
overcome things you would not think that they would normally overcome.
(39:50):
And uh, you know that's that's good advice for anybody,
you know, And when it seems like you have no choice,
when it seems like you can't do something, hey, you
might be right. But and even if you are right,
well it's good you were right. Positively you were right
about something. Or take on the challenge that give up attitude. Man,
(40:13):
it's such it is encouraged anymore for people to give up.
And it's it's disheartening to see in full color all
the time where you know, someone will say, oh, well
I just had a bad day and oh this and that,
and they get really down on themselves. And instead of
somebody saying, hey, cheer up, do this, do that. Mainly,
(40:34):
and the target is parents and children lower class are
targeted by saying like hey, well maybe you just put
your kid on a pill, you know, and this will
make the situation more bearable. Someone's always trying to profit
off of somebody else's misery and it's disgusting. You know,
have you seen that before? Ebony all the time, all
(40:55):
the time.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Right, they say, people profit off of other people's band,
you know, until people get smart and be like, hey,
you're not gonna do this anymore, right, So yeah, I
just think that that's how the risk they rich.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, well, getting back to the entertainment world. Has anyone
you know, like you you've been bumped before. People do
get bumped. You bump other people. Have you ever been
replaced by somebody and had that thing in your head
go off and say, well good luck with her always?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I think it's it's it's the entertainments clickie. You know,
it's all about who you know. You don't know the
right people, you get bumped.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
All the time. Yeah, it's not even about the talent level.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Because talent like you could be the most get the singer,
get the rapper, dancer, actor, But if you're not in
the right circles or know the right people or clicks,
it's like you get bumped.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Like I've always been like the underdogs.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
So it's like always get bumped because I knew I
could sing, right, But someone that could have seen about
bumped me because they knew to produce the show or
they knew the town to buyer. And I'm like, oh man,
I just lost my spot so all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Know, Yeah, the people that I couldn't stand the most
from the stand up world would be the two types. Right.
You have one person that might be mediocre funny, and
then surround themselves with bad comedians just so that way
they look better in sheer comparison. Right, And they don't
have to pay the bad comedians either, so they take
all the money. And then the other side of them
(42:32):
and there's just one word for them, poets, because they'll
do stuff for free and petition for it. Yeah, a
day before showtime and you see some bar owners in
that you know, and they're just like, oh, well, as
long as your friends all buy a drink, I guess
you could have the stage instead of me having to
pay anybody. You know, they'll they'll they'll give you your
(42:54):
buyout contract. You don't got to do the show, but
it's at fifty percent les than what you were gonna get.
And then they still got a free show full of
poets and a crowd and all that nice crap. It's
it's ruthless, and poets especially pull off this whole Oh well,
(43:14):
if we didn't know, oh well, we didn't know, la
la la. The fuck you didn't know? How could you
not know? They played doing the ones and then they
read off a piece of paper. They don't even memorize
their shit. The worst is when they're reading off a
cell phone. There are feelings in bullshit and know the song,
(43:36):
don't know the song, know your stuff or don't know
your stuff. But if you're doing this on a cell phone,
you've prepared zero. And that's exactly why you feel comfortable
to get paid zero.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now, Kevin, that's why not everybody, Not everybody is a pro.
You know, on the stage, some people are writers, some
people are doers behind the scene, and then as soon
as they get that push. You know, there's people who
are starstruck and then get up on stage and they're like,
(44:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's a part of it. And people are happy to
People that are competing against you in that field are
more than happy to see a fail. How do you
already know the ones who are always happy to see
a fail? They'll be the first to compliment you. I'll
be like, oh, hey, really good, hey, really good stuff,
really amazing, awesome. We felt it, we felt it, And
you already know the fake ones out there, ebany am,
(44:33):
I right.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's the entertainment industry.
There's a lot of fake. I mean it's it's way
more fake than it's real.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's you had a sermon like for real, like who.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
You deal with this industry? There's a lot of people
that's crooked.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You know, do that saying do that? Saying achy Breaky
Heart was ready to pimp out his daughter no problem,
drop of a hat. He's ready.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Like if I could pip you, out, sell you out,
do you wrong? Stepping the back for some money, I'm
going to do it. Like that's the mentality. And I
know a lot of stories of people just people each
other on the back just to get some money.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
You know, would say it, let's go, let's go a
quick different route.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Who is the one person that maybe be maybe very
well known that you have nothing but great things to
say about. You Gotta pick one and it could be anybody.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
The one person is very well known.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Mhm oh, just name drop one person, only one and
it and it's someone who who was like so nice
and kind and didn't do you wrong and they were
like very supportive.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And answer wins the gold medal. Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Famous. Yep, that I met like no personally.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
As if there's a countdown clock going right now, you
just gotta go ahead, and you know.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It was I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
It was a lot of items, you know, being around her. Uh,
she was, she was, She was very nice, but she
was about her business. I love her like being a
woman in business, like see another woman in business like that.
Nice but like don't don't try me like my step together,
better have my sound right.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Okay, you're late. This is what you need to do,
Like she taught me, like oh okay, this is what I.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Need to do to be a boss in the industry.
So yeah, but she was very nice, very nice.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's very refreshing when people are just professional and they
don't that's you.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Know, not coming to shows three hours late, not come
going going drunk on stage, not on the words, like
all kinds of stuff. I see all kinds of stuff.
So when you see somebody professional that come and do
their job and their worth.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The money is refreshing to see.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I've done some shows before. I called sab boo. I'll
quote him on this one. Right. So I come to
a show, I'm always about half an hour to an
hour early. That's just the way I am, you know.
So I'm there, no one's there, No one's there here.
People start showing up ten minutes like after the fact
that I'm like, after a door is open, and uh,
(47:21):
I was like, what the fuck's going on here? He's like,
oh man, He's like, man, were a black people time?
What are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's true, by the way.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And I'm like, I said, so when does the show start?
He's like, man, it says nine, probably ten exactly.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I was listening to the radio this morning and there's
not kid credit. Uh freaking uh Bert, Oh god, I
forget this last name. Well anyways, Bert uh Bird's going
off the air and in like two weeks and he
was talking about an x X radio worker and he said,
(48:06):
of course he's white and he's black, and he goes, yeah,
we did this fundraiser together and it was supposed to
be like this, this thing that started at eight o'clock
and he's like, all the white people came there at
eight o'clock till ten o'clock, and then all the black
people gave it ten o'clock till twelve o'clock. He's like,
that was is crazy? How how Like he's from Atlanta too,
(48:30):
and he goes, it's crazy, like even from the Atlanta standpoint,
where there's such a dichotomy of different I don't know,
like mental status, you know, when it comes to to
just going out and partying, like there's a whole different
dynamic to it.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's just it's just a different thing. Like, you know,
so we by the way, Saboo and the crew, I'm like,
I'm the only white guy that you know that they
us to perform well and and not not you know,
not fuck it up, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
(49:10):
because you got you got a lot of people out there.
They they show a they show a lot of uncomfortability
on the stage and you got to weed them out
after a little bit of time. So they're you know,
the the audience is always asking like, hey, when's keV
come back? Hey, when's keV come back? Right, So we
always end up selling out uh small rooms eighty ninety
(49:30):
people fucking smoke everywhere. I don't know who who said
that fapes was a was a good idea one day,
but holy shit, people started putting their pot inside of it.
And now it's just like, you know, I can't find fue.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Creative.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, they're just like, I think I think I found
a way to put weed in here.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Could you get liquid cocaine in there? Next? We're working
on it, you know. The But no, it's just it's
it's a it's just it's a culture thing to a degree,
because you know, I've gotten to you know, black tie
affairs or they want to read your jokes before time,
and they're like, excuse me, what is this? Just says
(50:17):
panda fucker, And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's a pandofucker joke. Yeah,
it's funny, don't worry about it, you know. And they're like, no, what,
how does it is it going to offend anybody? We
had people here that like pandas and I'm like, do
they like to fuck them? He's like no. I'm like,
well I shouldn't offend anybody then, and if it does, well,
now you know who the panda fuckers are, right, you know,
(50:43):
we're we're we're.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Gonna wrap up this show pretty soon. So I do
have one final question for you, of course, and that's
because you are an entrepreneur and you have many a loves,
many loves in your life, a little bit of a
little bit of Sophie's choice. What is the best the
best pat project that you have going on right now
(51:07):
that you can share with us you see.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The best project? Yep, Yeah, it's definitely music. Music is
always my first love, you know, before anything. And so
I have an EPs that's dropping No.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Twenty third.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
It's called Ebonized Introduction. It's really I think that I
kind of, you know, I before I was my my
artist name is Ebny Archer, right, my maiden name if
I got married, But now I kind of change my
whole post stage. Ain't the Ebonizer because I like the
ebonized things, right, And so I think with this EP,
it's really introducing people who I am truly as an artist.
(51:45):
So I'm very excited about it. I think people gonna
like it. You know, it's it got various type of
styles to it, but it's still means. So yeah, it's
the Ebonized Introduction. It's dropping no third.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
So I'm really excited about that project.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well, that's really exciting. If people are gonna get in
touch with you, how would they get in touch with you?
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah? Social media everywhere.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I'm gonna TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, at the Ebonizer. You can
go to my website w W dot thebizer dot online
and you can hit up Sassy also, Okay, I think
it's the boy Agency at gmail dot com. If you
want to contact me for anything else.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I love say I'm gonna I'm gonna have Sassy on
this show at some point.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Tim, Yes, definitely on the show.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
You definitely do real quick. Out of everything you've done
in your career, would you count being on the pod
Guys podcast Tonight the Peak?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh yeah, y'all have fun. I love this y'all that
we got.
Speaker 7 (52:47):
Another one top of the.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Mountain here only downhill from here? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Who knows? Uh Sparky work.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Can you find us?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
If you're looking for us, you can find us on
every single major streaming platform including iHeart, Spotify, Spreaker, Deezer Cast, Box, Pocketcast, Geo, Real, Facebook,
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Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, going Roku we're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
We're gonna do it. Oh well, we do interviews every
Monday night, of course, so tune in ten fifteen Eastern
Standard time. I'm Tony kaz Kevin here. Of course. Do
you ever love in Paca? So do one picture today?
A little sad?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Well now it's clacking slacking. Big shout out Ebney Archer Baylock.
Check her out Ebne the Ebonezer. Wherever you stream music,
check her out on Pandora and uh Spotify, Spotify and
uh iHeart Radio Spotify.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If you get like three million views on Spotify, they
give you like eighteen cents.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I think I've gotten like three cents from them so far.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
The pod guys, you know, they're like, you know, it's exactly,
it's it's real tricky, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Guys, we'll catch you next week, same bad time, saying
bad channel. We're the pod guys podcast. We'll catch you soon.
Have a great night.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
What
Dude, do do do do do do? Hit the bum
we do what.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, everybody in Facebook love Land. Weird the podcast podcast,
bringing it to you as we do ten fifteen Eastern
Standard Time. I am Tony kaz.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Kevin near here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Of course, we have the ever loving Pea cost So,
the uh drawer of all things fantastical, sometimes non fantastical,
lesparque and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Spark He's there rocking the Star Wars T shirt on
the big board. He's got the big letter H and
the bigger letter I right there saying hi to all
the audience. For everyone out there who hasn't watched the
show and is tuning in for the first time, Sparky
kind of draws what we're talking about and things that
he's witnessed throughout the week. Okay, he is the fly
on the wall, the background character, the foursome in a
(00:55):
threesome Minaja twas situation, the one who is not participating
but just keeping those dark seated memories sort of thing.
He was the co co pilot when going down to
Epstein Island. Just to illustrate for all, Sparky is there
but has never really seen there. Uh, Tony, we got
a guest right now, we do. We are.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We are blessed to have a beautiful lady who join
us today. Of course, hailing from the mean streets of Chicago.
Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wo wow, hailing from the.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mean streets of Chicago. We are joined by Ebonie Block.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Hey, Hey, hey, hey, thanks for having me. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now, you guys may or may not know Ebony, but
you are going to learn today. There's a reason why
she's here, and that reason is.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, well here it's the description right here. Tony is
put down as Ebonie the Ebonizer. Do you go by
the Ebenizer?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, go by the Avonizer.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Nice, I like it. We'll just add the banizer. Baylock
is a powerhouse talent whose journey began with the world
renowned sold Children of Chicago. Can get tell us about
the soul children or the audience watching listening in and
throughout the Chicago, New York Pennsylvania area, east coast, west coast,
(02:18):
all around the world, Who are the sole children of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So when I was smaller, so I always made this joke.
I was four years old and I love the Lion King, right,
And this is back when we had like VHS, the
tapes and I played the Lion King so much that
I like broke the tape and like, oh, Mama yelled
at me.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
She said, oh, oh God, stop singing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
She said, I gotta put you in choir, and so
I joined the church choir and then I just started
singing ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And my mom was like, I gotta put you on
someone else.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You can't stop singing, and so she put me into
an audition for what Woodmen and sould Sich Chicago is
a renowned gospel group. I joined that at the age
of seven, and you know, with the Soul Children, I
was so blessed to you know, sing along with stars
like a lot of Adams Landon, Nick Carter. The list
(03:10):
goes on and I'm eight, nine years old meeting all
these people. I thought it was so cool, you know,
and you know, I just thank God for the experience
because I think it really taught me, like you know,
you see all like the sparkling lights of being famous
or that whole star world. But man, imagine being like
eight years old having go to the bathroom because it
(03:31):
was hard headed didn't go and you have to wait
backstage waiting for Nick Carter to finish and he had
to do it three times or never. I'll never forget
this performance. It was a war show and we were
just sitting backstage because we've singing.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. So Nick
Carter had to use the bathroom three times? You did, okay?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Okay, I thought.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
To use the bathroom. I had to go, like, you know,
you have to go. You can't hold it. He went
three times. He had to do his song three times,
and I'm like, how many times did this dude.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Have to sing this song?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I had to hold my I had to hold it
until we was done finishing perform with with Landa Adams.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I read.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I never ran so fast.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I ran to the bathroom and I was like, man,
if I'm a star, I have to sing my song
three times too. I was only eight, but you know,
being a part of Soul Church and it gave me
those experiences, but it taught me like, if you want
to be a part of his business, gotta work hard.
It's not easy for.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Sure, yeah, because you know there will be somebody out
there that brought a catheter with them, you know, and
and they just don't need to use the bathroom and
they'll be and they'll be like, Oh, let's hire the
kid that never used that never needs he needs to
use the bathroom. Yeah, it's probably a little less talented.
He'll do it for less money. But let's do that idea,
and we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Take the kid with the diaper.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
A little bit of vertical integration right there. We'll have
the diaper commercial sing aside the whole thing. You know,
So you've been at this since you've been eight years old? Yeah,
oh my god. That And how old are you right now?
If you don't mind me asking, I'm thirty three. Now,
thirty three, so you hat now for people that don't understand,
(05:17):
entertainment is kind of like dog years. Okay, you see
a lot more when you're actively doing this here after
your especially when you're going childhood into thirties. What was
one of your most unique experiences that spikes in your
head immediately when you say to yourself, Okay, holy crap,
(05:38):
that actually happens.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know, I think that when I I guess kind
of first one solo, you know, because it's different being
in a group and acquired, right, but when your solo
and everybody's looking at you and you don't have nobody
else to buy. Oh she hit the wrong note or
this and that, and it's all of you. I think,
(06:00):
whoop me up, Like, oh, I gotta be really good
at this. I can't suck right. Singers has a bad right.
Rappers you can. You can kind of like play along.
But if you're a true singer and you get up
there crack but hit the wrong note, everybody's talking about you.
And my first solo performance. When I was first did
my first solo recording, it was like, man, I'm truly
(06:22):
an artist. I'm doing this for real, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So Yeah, the up rap performers live by the way
nothing life the altu. You know, the only person I'll
give credit to half credit he's passed away right now,
probably DMX when you're going, you know, he's going full
macho man Randy Savage on the thing where he's just
like a man, I feel bad for your vocal.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I don't know what he took before the concert. You
haven't seen DMX live, Yeah, it was on ten. The
whole performance, like he will literally like pray did jump
then run.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm like the whole performance.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And he's thinking, he's thinking, like all the gods he's
going through Allah. He's going through Jesus and stuff, and
he's got and then he's like he's mentioning people who
might be knowing them right now. He's like my grandma,
you know. I'm like, all right, you know, cool mention man,
I don't even know, you know. Yeah. Also known as
the worst pet owner around DMX because he's always wondering
where his dogs are at, you know, like, dude, keep
(07:24):
track of your own dogs. I don't know, right, that's
the world's greatest. That's the shittiest joke I could think of,
right there, Ebony, that was that was pretty awful, right yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
But real quick, what's your favorite song to sing? Maybe
not one of your own, but just your favorite one
(07:44):
where you could just any time of day sing it
and say, now, this is going to get me in
a good mood.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Oh, I will say, oh, Like I'll be honest with you,
Like any like Whitney song, Like okay, Whitney Hues is
the reason why I want to sing. I ain't I
want to sing like her. I didn't know I asked
she would grow up and not how to sing, but
like any.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All right, but he hit hit.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, any any Whitney for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No boy, no Bobby Brown, No.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, I don't know. That's my prerogative and I'm
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Hence the song everyone, hence the song. Now, of course,
your versatility in presence has led you to appear in R.
Kelly's iconic music video The World's Greatest. Maybe talk a
little bit about that. What happened? What was what was
that opportunity?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It was long, It was so long. It was there
for twelve hours. Oh damn.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I was like, you gotta be here this long, Like
I'm tired. And I remember, like I was supposed to
I was the kid around the ring. I was supposed
to be the kid in the ring, but everybody made
a joke. My head was so big that I couldn't
get the side the ropes inside of the ring, and
so I tried to get for five minutes and everybody
was getting irritated with me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I had to go outside the ring. And it
was just amazing. But it was long.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'm like, you not do all this with music video.
But again, it was like, you know, being around because
it was other celebrities in that video too. It was like, Wow,
I was a starstruck the whole time. I was like,
can I get you all the grab? Can I take
a picture? And it was like, go sit down somewhere, girl,
Go sit down.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But yeah, there's everything about being in the right place
at the right time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, And that was just like I would never forget
those moments you sit down and be like am I
here for real?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Like is this happening? That was the type of moment
I was happening for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's really cool. Yeah. You have you appeared in any
other music videos? Or was that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I meant like independent.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
A lot of like Chicago artists, like on the Gospel
Army side.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Have you made you?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I actually will? It will be dropping soon.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I got a lot of couple of videos out,
but the music video for my own single, y out
Pretty Song?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So yeah, pretty excited.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now have you have you wandered into the area of
acting yet?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I dibble and dabbled.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
See the thing is, I don't want to remember lines.
See that's my problem. It's like looking at sprits, I said,
I can remember all these lines.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like that's I mean, think about just like it's just
like a song.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Then you know, just what's longer than the song? Like
I'm looking at me, I say, this is kind of thick.
This is kind of thick. Here me remember this, Like, yeah,
but I had tried to. I don't try to dubble
and dabble in the film world too, because I see
like a lot of artists going to like the film
side of it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You have to be Yeah, you have to be everywhere
all the same time. Yeah, And that's uh, that's the
tough part and the worst thing is after you're doing
everything at the same time, going full speed twenty four
to twenty five hours a day. You see where I'm
getting at, You have one person come up here and say, hey,
are you still doing that thing? And it could be
(11:02):
it could be somebody that's closest family where they're like,
are you still doing the music thing? Yeah? You know,
did you? Or The worst question you could ever ask,
like or not? The worst suggestion I've ever gotten is like,
do you have a fallback? Do you have any fallback? Career?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I used to get that ass all the time, like
do you have a plan B? Well if this doesn't
work out? You know, well to get to the music.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You ask when you ask women if they have a
plan B. That's how they got pilled. They might have
it in their purse. You never know. But no, it's
a it's a very it's a very insulting kind of thing.
You know, go up to a dentist and say, hey,
this whole thing doesn't work out. Yeah, you know, I
think it's more of a financial concern. But why would
(11:47):
you want to be doing something you hate forever guaranteed
without pursuing something you love while maybe doing something you
hate as well, to just continuously pursue what you're what
you're loving to do. So you are doing strictly solo
stuff now right.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I have a label, you know, Music of our records,
so we do a lot of advance in concerts as well. Uh,
and we help other independent artists like myself because it's hard,
Like I just think, especially with straming and all this
AI stuff, Like they just signed an AI artist a
three million dollars deal. Well that is in my mind,
like we compete against robots, like, you know, like we're
(12:27):
struggling out here trying to get it and they gave
three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well that's just the thing. Before we were struggling before,
you know, musicians were struggling against robots. They were struggling
against musicians that don't want to let go. Yeah, and
I'll bring up the biggest culprit of all. They're rolling stones.
Oh and then you have the Forever farewell tours. You've
had the Elton John farewell toward the Kiss farewell tours,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, Aerosmith, grateful that's dead, and they're they're still doing it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They're the they're the uh yeah, they're the afterlife right now,
grateful dead sort of thing. But this is all because
of Barbara Streisan. She did that, She did her farewell tour,
and everybody freaked out. People were like, oh my god,
this is the last time we'll be able to see
Barbara Streisan. Meanwhile, normal music goers are like, she sings
(13:19):
the hell you're talking about, Why would you want to
see Barbara strid That's like me wanting to see Michelle
Pfeiffer tap dance. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to see that.
I don't, you know, I'm not going to go out
of my way because I don't feel like that's her
complete strength right there. But once she did it, then
Share copied that idea, and the copying continued. The Rolling
(13:39):
Stones right now are just continuously going, not allowing like
they're keeping their audience and they're garnering more people in
their audience. And the longer that they hold on to
their audience, the less opportunity other new and upcoming artists
have without a lot of money behind them. So if
you see the new upcoming artists behind them getting that
(14:02):
big push. For example, Sabrina Carpenter was pushed to meet
I think it was Britney Spears maybe, but I want
to say somebody younger even but they already have somebody's
back up to back up to a backup plan just
in case it screws up. No, it was it was
Sabrina Carpenter meeting Miley Cyrus at the time. I mean,
(14:23):
how old are we right? You know? So she's meeting
Miley Cyrus and they're kind of grooming that situation so
that way they get used to the spotlight, they get
used to the hundreds of people surrounding them, thousands of
people surrounding them. And that gets me to my next question, Ebony,
biggest audience you've ever performed live in front of? How
big was that audience?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I will say this five five to six thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's a lot of people. That does not sound like
a large number when you're talking in pesos or anything
like that, but it is a lot of people all
around six thousand people. And this is while camera phones
were going on, right, yeah, yeah, so now you have
not just before you got not everybody has a camera before, right,
(15:09):
so you know, whatever, if you screw up, one person's
got footage, no big deal. But now everyone is a
content creator. They all have their cameras on you. You
have a thousand different people you have out of six
thousand people today, I would say five thousand of those
people have their own YouTube channel and they're ready to
(15:30):
jot down their experience. They have their own tiktoks they
have and you know these uh, they might only last
a year, but these are still new exposure points all around,
which is a good thing and a bad thing. It
does get, you know, the noise kind of gets way too,
way too rough, to the point where they leave it
up to the robots to tell you what you're supposed
(15:52):
to like with the algorithm. What does your algorithm look
like on your phone?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, it's funny that you mentioned it, because it's like,
I'll be on TikTok and they had a for you page.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And I'm like, man, how you know what I like?
Like weird, you know, and then it's just like a loophole.
It's I'm like, hmmm, this AI is something else for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I know when my when my TV ended up
biting the dust a couple of years back. I had
my buddy Mike give me a ride up to the
Best Buy so I can get a TV. He says,
what kind of TV are you going to get? And
I was like, probably the same one as last time.
You know, it's a smart TV. He says. You know,
those smart TVs can hear what you're saying and they
can see what you're doing. I said, well, that makes
(16:37):
me feel kind of bad because I only had my
TV for five years and you're telling me it only
saw me and it heard me. And it just killed
itself after a while, didn't it. It couldn't take it anymore.
It knew Yeah. Yeah, So I guess there are you know,
some kind of devices inside of devices are you on TikTok?
Like for you got a lot of shorts out there
(16:58):
or you do a lot of well, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Kevin Ebony is a highly uh committed, highly committed to
mental health as far as like your music and you
know you're not to say activism, but like things that
you you want to get back to the community, which
is really really nice. So what have you started, uh
as far as like, I know you've done some entrepreneurship,
(17:24):
you've done some producing, you've done uh writing as well. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, uh, you know there's some crazy, crazy stuff
out there. What is your whole commitment to uh to
mental health?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think you know me going through it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think everybody in the industry went through some type
of mental health type of episode, right, because this industry
is crazy and if.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You don't have the right people in the right mindset,
very toxic. It's very toxic.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Where you what, it's a spiritual thing, your faith based,
whether it's you know, maybe it's uh you're doing a
positive saying, maybe it's the people around you. You gotta
have like some type of solid foundation to keep your
mind focused because if not, this industry will like tear
you apart and make you go crazy. If you look
at all the celebrities that you thought was happy and
they committed suicide or they going crazy and people looking
(18:15):
like why you haven't been in this industry? And so
for me, I think mental health is important because it
starts with the mind. Right, once somebody got control your mind,
that's it. It's for me, I'm a big advocate, you
know me going through you know my bouts. I'm a
suicide survivor, and I know what it means to like
feel like you just don't belong here, and so I'm
(18:37):
always advocating for that, like even through my music or
you know, whatever I do through my businesses.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I want to like empower and curse somebody else, like
you're not alone.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It's okay talk to somebody if you don't speak up,
like you got to speak up though, because I'm not
a mind reader. I'm not a psychic, So I tell
people you got I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Thought you said you was a mind reader. Hold on
now I'm next week is the mind reader? Okay, I'm sorry,
miss so. No, did you ever hear about the Miss
Cleo scammer? No? You know, miss Cleo. We used to
teach everybody how to make.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Trouble though.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I remember I used to call yeah read my feature
and my mom.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
My mom was so mad. It was like seventy eighty
dollars sound like, well she could see my future.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well she got she got charged a child.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh you're gonna find love real soon.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, next up.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
The fastest test.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The weirdest part was that Miss Cleo was found not
to be It's like after they charged her with bracketeering
and she says, she says, I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
They're like, I would have did, They're telling you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Let's talk about the Ebinized Chill Tour Ebonized Chilter.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
All right, yeah, so me and my husband. So my
husbands is a comedian. He goes by mister Noe Chill
and so what we did was on the Ebinizer course.
So we're just blending our brands together and we're doing
a couple of cities this year, but next year it's
going to be like full blown and basically we're going
(20:28):
to various cities combining like using entertainment to really spread
and promote mental wellness. So we do we have like workshops,
different speakers, we have different people tell their stories, We
got performances and really we just want to be a
safe space for people, like people are afraid to like
people are afraid to say they heard it. They're not okay,
because they're afraid people going to judge them. But it's
(20:49):
no judge zone over here. It's like, man, you could
come to our tour. It's a safe place where you
could have a platform to speak out and be heard
and it get the.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Help that you need.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We all need help, especially in this economy. We don't
know what's going to go and happen. Everything's a little
bit crazy right now. We just want to let people know, like, hey,
come on with our platform and get the help that
you need.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This economy is great. Three dollars for gas. That means
you only need twenty five seconds to get a high
for the day. Just spraying a little time.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I remember when gas was like ninety nine cent. I
remember that I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, eight seventy oh yeah, it was Yeah, it
was very affordable to live. And that's the lure right there.
They say, hey, guys, it's affordable to live. You should all,
you know, buy into this life idea, and uh, you know,
people end up. The one one phrasing that always catches
me a little funny is and I don't know who
(21:47):
coined it to begin with, but I heard people are
being priced out of their homes. And I'm like, man,
that's a fun word for calling people fucking homeless if
you yeah, so are you a bum? Are you homeless? No? No, no, no,
I was priced out. I'm good. I was just priced
out of the home. Yeah, they told me I could
no longer afford it. But if you look at the
(22:08):
prices of rent today, or even or even home ownership
or trailer ownership or boarding room owner boarding room houses,
like you need to have two jobs just to get
into a boarding room facility, so the I guess jail
(22:28):
isn't even free.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know, you need two jobs and a couple of hustles,
you know. Yeah, like I was, my husband went to
the grocery store. You spend one hundred dollars for five IELs,
So I'll be like, what did we get? I remember,
one hundred dollars used to give you a lot. Now
it's nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And that's that's where the lack of sympathy comes in.
When people are you know, working their butts off. You
me tony, not sparky. Now, sparking works sass off too,
you know. But when people are complaining, saying like how
am I supposed to sport myself with only three thousand
dollars in food stamps? I'm like, what the fuck are.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You talking about?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You're gonna start a.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Fucking restaurant with you? I don't, goddamn no, how do
you have seven kids your.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't know. Kevin's Snap benefits are stopping soon.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They are stopping in a snap final Snap is coming
by no oh lover the uh. The thing. The thing
is that you know as much as I do, every
time there seems to be any repercussion for an action
to a reaction, it never happens ever. You know, I
(23:34):
remember when the US economy goes into a billion dollars
worth of debt, Everyone's like, fuck, how are we gonna
pay back a billion dollars? And then it was thirty
billion dollars and everyone's like, wha fuck, how are we
gonna pay back thirty billion dollars? And now we're at
thirty seven trillion and everyone's like so numb to it.
(23:56):
We're like, fucking you gotta go fuck for thirty seven
trillion dollars. You know, we're we're not going to pay
it back. We could try, but we're we're not going
to you know then, and no one has the actual
solution for it. You know, there there is, there is
a real solution for it. So and it and it
focks two sides over real quick, right, real quick. So
(24:21):
anyone that has a billion dollars, right, tax them one
hundred percent. After that, you don't get to have more
than a billion dollars. Just thrown it out there. And
then anyone who has been on welfare more than five
years no more, see you later, you know, just see
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how it focks both sides over. No one would like it,
but that's how you do it. And that's the problem.
No one wants to sip the medicine mathematically, that's how
it worked. But enough politics. You know, we're we're seeing
all these protests, and you know, back in my day,
we're protesting war. We were protesting, we're protesting invading Iraq
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irrationally and all that nice stuff like that's an actual
protest right there. And then we were protesting Wall Street
for stealing everybody's money and getting bailed out. That's what
we were protesting. Now somebody makes a fucking joke about
a third term and they're like, no, mar Kings, are
you talking about there's not a king. Do you know
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what it would take to get a king?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
We could barely get a budget passed, barely. I could
barely get ten people together for fantasy football every year,
besides a protest about a monarchy that is never eminent
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So it feels like, what if DEM's just wanted to
go on vacation. I think that might be a thing, like, Hey,
we're gonna go on vacation in two weeks. Oh, that's
perfect timing. We'll get them, you know, we'll get away
and we'll just go on vacation for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We'll be back heaveny. Chicago is told to be one
of the highest crime cities in all of the United States.
She's from Atlanta right now. You're in Atlanta right now.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, So, I mean Chicago. It depends.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
It depends where you are. I mean every city has
its bad and good.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I'm originally from Baltimore, so I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, so I think there's a stigma. Oh, Chicago actually
is Memphis right now has the highest crime and they
y'all beat us because there's a lot of stuff going
down in Memphis.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
They're holding the hot potato.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So I just think that every I mean, Chicago's beautiful.
If you're in Chicago, downtown Chicago, it's beautiful. It's a
lot of talent there.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Beautiful buildings, yea, beautiful buildings. It's a Midwestern, slightly cleaner
version of Manhattan. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, now you're not going
certain now, like I tell people, come to Chicago. Let
me know, because certain places in Chicago you cannot go to.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You might not get out. That is true.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
But if you avoid those places and you go and
enjoy the other beat for parts, like Chicago's a.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Dope city for real. So it's just really it's really good.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So how is Atlanta treating you right now?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Atlanta is it's definitely hustlers. It is is different. It's different.
It's a lot of I'll say it's a lot of
it's it's an entrepreneur state. Like it's a lot of people.
I never saw people that don't have jobs, but they
have hustles.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's what that's.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Like.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Versus Chicago. Chicago you see a lot of nine to
fivers and things. Atlanta is everybody business owners. They want
to work on them sales.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So there's the difference between the hustle and then hustling. Yeah,
in Chicago they're hustling. In Atlanta, they're all about the
hustle you.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Have, and then you gotta watch which hustle you meet
down here in Atlanta. Oh yeah, to get tripped up here.
So yeah, yeah, it's it's different.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
If it sounds like two hundred dollars, it's probably fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, drift, Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Now Atlanta has become the hotbed for the music industry,
for TV and commercials. It's become become like super big
for production editing. Like there's some massive, massive opportunities, especially
in Atlanta or even outside of Atlanta right on the
(28:31):
outskirts to make some really amazing uh you know, forward
forward progress.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, it's a Milton pot.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
There's a lot of people coming from like Chicago, LA,
different places because it's kind of like, I think this
is becoming like the new Hollywood because a lot of
people are shifting from the LA, the New York's there's
a lot of people from New York.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's crazy amounts of money.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, and it's coming in Yeah, So it's it's coming
like the New High.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
My favorite, my favorite, my favorite thing about Atlanta was
watching the TV show Bait Car in Atlanta, because I mean,
it was the most entertaining of all bait Car seasons
in Atlanta because they can never catch immediately like normally
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they put bait car there, a person runs a block,
they chase him down. They got him right in Atlanta.
Dude was going for a fucking mile without breathing. I
swear he's going, he's running, and I'm like, you know,
if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm gonna get like if
you know how to catch a fucking ball. Because they
(29:42):
had to bring a helicopter out for this guy, couldn't
catch him. It was like the high speed chase of
a guy on foot. I don't know if he had
Warren's out for him at all, but man, have you
ever watched Bait Car Abony?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah? I think I watched.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I didn't watch the Atlanta one, but I could actually
believe you're in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, I can believe that.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
They they pros, you know they that's say you come
down here in Atlanta, you gotta be careful this guy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This guy was not stopping. I was. It was they
had to do like a commercial break and they're like,
I'm still worth the same guy. I'm like, what the fuck?
This is a twenty minute show. Oh man, he was
running that. He was running that long, and I don't
know if they, you know, caught him because I had to,
you know, get back to life. You know. I'm like,
(30:33):
I can't, I can't keep watching this long time. Yeah, yeah,
this is the just the one dude, you know, the
So you're solo right now? Where is your next venue at?
Where's the next big show at that you are sold
out or soon to be sold out at?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
So we so we would be in Vegas. It's gonna
be No, it's gonna be my EP release. And so
I'm super excited releasing new music. You know, it's always
I think it's refreshing. It's a little bit kind of
like get a little nervous because when you release music,
you want to people like it. But yeah, we're gonna
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be in Vegas next month, November twenty third, at the
Downtown Ground Hotel in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I'm super silk about that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You're gonna kill it in Freemont area or is that
like the the newer, newer Vegas it's downtown.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I know, it's downtown Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Downtown. Okay, there's somebody. Have you ever been out that way?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I've been to Fremont Street.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So, being my husband a couple, we was in the
Four Queens Hotel. I've never been to Freemont Street. I've
been to Las Vegas before that. I didn't know if
Freemont Street was that live.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Like it's crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They had what's that what you call you? Flying zipp
zip Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, had the zipp zipline there. I mean they had
to go fool. I mean every day we found something
new in Freemont. So, yeah, I said, I definitely gotta
go back on Freemont Street.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I stayed at the Oh my god, I thought that
was the name of the place there for a second.
I'm like, right now, God, damn it, I forget. It's
like one of the most popular resorts down there. But anyways,
we stayed on Fremont Street and then of course, like
(32:25):
we had no idea, like even at that time, the
whole not to say, the whole controversy between Old Vegas
and New Vegas. So they're far apart, like really really
far apart from each other. And the only way to travel,
like the best route is of course by taxi or
(32:45):
by bus, and like getting back and forth, the public
transportation system is absolutely insane down there. So we were,
of course like there's a million and one things to
do in Old Vegas. So if if anybody's watching, happen
to go to Older Vegas some really really cool stuff,
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you know, as far as like, like you said, the
entertainment even on Fremont Street itself was like way popping. Yeah,
so they have live bands that play all given times. Uh,
there's usually street performers and artists and sword swallowers, magicians
and pickpockets and.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh like crazy there are more men's sword swallowers than women.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Noticed the discrepancy there, and like aren't you amazed at
the sword swallowers. I'm like more like the gender thing,
where are all the women's sword swallowers? He any the
are you an author? It says here that you're an author.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, So I wrote a book. It's called Belief Monic Assistency,
and so it's basically like a self apartment book. Like
I think people when you tell when you tell people
to believe in themselves, and it's like Okay, what does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
You know?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And so I just wrote a book to get people
my mindset, like how I keep going, how I keep
chasing after my dreams and getting things done because it's
one thing to to work hard, but you gotta be consistent.
And a lot of people they want they fail one
time and they give up, right, you gotta you gotta
work it out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And you can't be lazy. You know, you can't be lazy.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You talk about you want to be a millionaire that
it doesn't it doesn't add up. So yeah, it's called
a BGC formula Believe Ground and Consistency. It's out on
Amazon anywhere you buy books, Bars and Noble everywhere.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So you don't self published or did you go through
like a different publisher? I self published plished, Yeah of course, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah independent.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, I saw that royalties coming, like, oh I.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Like this for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I stayed at the Golden Nugget, by the way, that's
what it was, the Golden Nugget. It was cool.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What are the what is the old Denzel Washington quoted
speech where it says, uh uh to dream big, it's uh,
it's don't be afraid to fail big, to dream big,
but remember, dreams without goals are just dreams and they
ultimately fuel disappointment. So have dreams, but have goals, life goals,
(35:31):
yearly goals, monthly goals, daily goals, and give yourself a
goal every day sort of thing. Something like that, right,
I don't know, Yeah, it was a Denzel Washington has
basically just been playing himself for the longest time. We
don't know if he has or has it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If I gave you two or three Denzel Washington movies
and said tell me which movie that is, I wouldn't know.
I would have no idea. You know, I get the
same in Confused with Tom Hanks. Everything after Forrest Gump
is just Tom Hanks playing a dude. You know, it's
Tom Hanks and Wilson. On an Island was just a
(36:12):
long FedEx commercial or UPS commercial like, oh see FedEx
will get your fucking stuck on an island sort of thing. Yeah,
what is your favorite movie?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Go to Ebony, Oh Man, I love Forrest Gump.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I Forrest Gump was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Trimp you could you could bake shrimp forced.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
It's a lot like it's a lot of movies I like,
I mean, Lion King.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I'm sorry. I love like Kick as a soundtrack, the original.
I don't like the remade. I like the original, liking
with Elton John like, I don't know what Elton John
doding that soundtrack. He puts some magic on it. I
love that soundtrack. So yeah, the Lion King for me
always just I've that movie.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I like him. They probably told Elton John something like
so this is about two lions, fucking. I got something
for that. I got something right now, thanks for that.
I got this and it comes up with that. Can
you feel the love tonight, which is you know, played
in zoos everywhere to help lions. Fuck, it's just the
(37:23):
whole thing, you know. If not for Elton John, lions
would have been extinct a long time ago. Just uh.
And Sparky's got something on the big board there, Sparky,
were you involved in that? What's going on here? Sparky?
Hurry up, Jenny before I ruin, before I ruin your robe?
Oh too late? Restroom, Jenny? All right, john n I
(37:51):
j Johnny, I've been feeling weak from the aide you
gave me. Wait what hold on, we can't say that
in the movie. People won't want to watch it. Let's
just say she has a mystery disease, and Forrest also
has to take care of the son that she kept
away from him and sits on a bench telling a
(38:12):
random women and men his story that nobody cares about.
I like how Forrest Gump in that movie was just
everyone knows he was a little mentally slow, but the
army loved him for it. They're like, this man is amazing.
(38:32):
Or how that movie is now used as an example
every time, well as it's used as an example in
how you get an oscar? You know with Oh God,
what's the name of the Ben Stiller Robert Downey Jr.
Tropic Thunder, Robert Downey Junior's character goes up to Ben
(38:52):
Stiller and he says.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
Forrest Gump, Forstcump was a war hero. He's like, uh,
I am Sam. That guy wasn't that guy was?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know? He uh he got custody of his daughter
in that He's like, you simple jack far into the bathtub.
I think that's funny. So you have to you have
to have some kind of character arc to the to
the character that that is that is really having some
some trouble. If you remember Tropic Thunder's simple Jack character
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where you know, you have such classic lines where he's
like it hurts in my feeling spot. You know, it's
like dude, what the fuck you doing? Sort of thing.
But the h but now perfect example, if you're going
to have a character with flaws, make them, make them
overcome things you would not think that they would normally overcome.
(39:50):
And uh, you know that's that's good advice for anybody,
you know, And when it seems like you have no choice,
when it seems like you can't do something, hey, you
might be right. But and even if you are right,
well it's good you were right. Positively you were right
about something. Or take on the challenge that give up attitude. Man,
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it's such it is encouraged anymore for people to give up.
And it's it's disheartening to see in full color all
the time where you know, someone will say, oh, well
I just had a bad day and oh this and that,
and they get really down on themselves. And instead of
somebody saying, hey, cheer up, do this, do that. Mainly,
(40:34):
and the target is parents and children lower class are
targeted by saying like hey, well maybe you just put
your kid on a pill, you know, and this will
make the situation more bearable. Someone's always trying to profit
off of somebody else's misery and it's disgusting. You know,
have you seen that before? Ebony all the time, all
(40:55):
the time.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Right, they say, people profit off of other people's band,
you know, until people get smart and be like, hey,
you're not gonna do this anymore, right, So yeah, I
just think that that's how the risk they rich.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, well, getting back to the entertainment world. Has anyone
you know, like you you've been bumped before. People do
get bumped. You bump other people. Have you ever been
replaced by somebody and had that thing in your head
go off and say, well good luck with her always?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I think it's it's it's the entertainments clickie. You know,
it's all about who you know. You don't know the
right people, you get bumped.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
All the time. Yeah, it's not even about the talent level.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Because talent like you could be the most get the singer,
get the rapper, dancer, actor, But if you're not in
the right circles or know the right people or clicks,
it's like you get bumped.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Like I've always been like the underdogs.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
So it's like always get bumped because I knew I
could sing, right, But someone that could have seen about
bumped me because they knew to produce the show or
they knew the town to buyer. And I'm like, oh man,
I just lost my spot so all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Know, Yeah, the people that I couldn't stand the most
from the stand up world would be the two types. Right.
You have one person that might be mediocre funny, and
then surround themselves with bad comedians just so that way
they look better in sheer comparison. Right, And they don't
have to pay the bad comedians either, so they take
all the money. And then the other side of them
(42:32):
and there's just one word for them, poets, because they'll
do stuff for free and petition for it. Yeah, a
day before showtime and you see some bar owners in
that you know, and they're just like, oh, well, as
long as your friends all buy a drink, I guess
you could have the stage instead of me having to
pay anybody. You know, they'll they'll they'll give you your
(42:54):
buyout contract. You don't got to do the show, but
it's at fifty percent les than what you were gonna get.
And then they still got a free show full of
poets and a crowd and all that nice crap. It's
it's ruthless, and poets especially pull off this whole Oh well,
(43:14):
if we didn't know, oh well, we didn't know, la
la la. The fuck you didn't know? How could you
not know? They played doing the ones and then they
read off a piece of paper. They don't even memorize
their shit. The worst is when they're reading off a
cell phone. There are feelings in bullshit and know the song,
(43:36):
don't know the song, know your stuff or don't know
your stuff. But if you're doing this on a cell phone,
you've prepared zero. And that's exactly why you feel comfortable
to get paid zero.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now, Kevin, that's why not everybody, Not everybody is a pro.
You know, on the stage, some people are writers, some
people are doers behind the scene, and then as soon
as they get that push. You know, there's people who
are starstruck and then get up on stage and they're like,
(44:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's a part of it. And people are happy to
People that are competing against you in that field are
more than happy to see a fail. How do you
already know the ones who are always happy to see
a fail? They'll be the first to compliment you. I'll
be like, oh, hey, really good, hey, really good stuff,
really amazing, awesome. We felt it, we felt it, And
you already know the fake ones out there, ebany am,
(44:33):
I right.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's the entertainment industry.
There's a lot of fake. I mean it's it's way
more fake than it's real.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's you had a sermon like for real, like who.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
You deal with this industry? There's a lot of people
that's crooked.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You know, do that saying do that? Saying achy Breaky
Heart was ready to pimp out his daughter no problem,
drop of a hat. He's ready.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Like if I could pip you, out, sell you out,
do you wrong? Stepping the back for some money, I'm
going to do it. Like that's the mentality. And I
know a lot of stories of people just people each
other on the back just to get some money.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
You know, would say it, let's go, let's go a
quick different route.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Who is the one person that maybe be maybe very
well known that you have nothing but great things to
say about. You Gotta pick one and it could be anybody.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
The one person is very well known.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Mhm oh, just name drop one person, only one and
it and it's someone who who was like so nice
and kind and didn't do you wrong and they were
like very supportive.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And answer wins the gold medal. Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Famous. Yep, that I met like no personally.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
As if there's a countdown clock going right now, you
just gotta go ahead, and you know.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It was I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
It was a lot of items, you know, being around her. Uh,
she was, she was, She was very nice, but she
was about her business. I love her like being a
woman in business, like see another woman in business like that.
Nice but like don't don't try me like my step together,
better have my sound right.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Okay, you're late. This is what you need to do,
Like she taught me, like oh okay, this is what I.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Need to do to be a boss in the industry.
So yeah, but she was very nice, very nice.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's very refreshing when people are just professional and they
don't that's you.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Know, not coming to shows three hours late, not come
going going drunk on stage, not on the words, like
all kinds of stuff. I see all kinds of stuff.
So when you see somebody professional that come and do
their job and their worth.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The money is refreshing to see.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I've done some shows before. I called sab boo. I'll
quote him on this one. Right. So I come to
a show, I'm always about half an hour to an
hour early. That's just the way I am, you know.
So I'm there, no one's there, No one's there here.
People start showing up ten minutes like after the fact
that I'm like, after a door is open, and uh,
(47:21):
I was like, what the fuck's going on here? He's like,
oh man, He's like, man, were a black people time?
What are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's true, by the way.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And I'm like, I said, so when does the show start?
He's like, man, it says nine, probably ten exactly.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I was listening to the radio this morning and there's
not kid credit. Uh freaking uh Bert, Oh god, I
forget this last name. Well anyways, Bert uh Bird's going
off the air and in like two weeks and he
was talking about an x X radio worker and he said,
(48:06):
of course he's white and he's black, and he goes, yeah,
we did this fundraiser together and it was supposed to
be like this, this thing that started at eight o'clock
and he's like, all the white people came there at
eight o'clock till ten o'clock, and then all the black
people gave it ten o'clock till twelve o'clock. He's like,
that was is crazy? How how Like he's from Atlanta too,
(48:30):
and he goes, it's crazy, like even from the Atlanta standpoint,
where there's such a dichotomy of different I don't know,
like mental status, you know, when it comes to to
just going out and partying, like there's a whole different
dynamic to it.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's just it's just a different thing. Like, you know,
so we by the way, Saboo and the crew, I'm like,
I'm the only white guy that you know that they
us to perform well and and not not you know,
not fuck it up, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
(49:10):
because you got you got a lot of people out there.
They they show a they show a lot of uncomfortability
on the stage and you got to weed them out
after a little bit of time. So they're you know,
the the audience is always asking like, hey, when's keV
come back? Hey, when's keV come back? Right, So we
always end up selling out uh small rooms eighty ninety
(49:30):
people fucking smoke everywhere. I don't know who who said
that fapes was a was a good idea one day,
but holy shit, people started putting their pot inside of it.
And now it's just like, you know, I can't find fue.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Creative.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, they're just like, I think I think I found
a way to put weed in here.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Could you get liquid cocaine in there? Next? We're working
on it, you know. The But no, it's just it's
it's a it's just it's a culture thing to a degree,
because you know, I've gotten to you know, black tie
affairs or they want to read your jokes before time,
and they're like, excuse me, what is this? Just says
(50:17):
panda fucker, And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's a pandofucker joke. Yeah,
it's funny, don't worry about it, you know. And they're like, no, what,
how does it is it going to offend anybody? We
had people here that like pandas and I'm like, do
they like to fuck them? He's like no. I'm like,
well I shouldn't offend anybody then, and if it does, well,
now you know who the panda fuckers are, right, you know,
(50:43):
we're we're we're.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Gonna wrap up this show pretty soon. So I do
have one final question for you, of course, and that's
because you are an entrepreneur and you have many a loves,
many loves in your life, a little bit of a
little bit of Sophie's choice. What is the best the
best pat project that you have going on right now
(51:07):
that you can share with us you see.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The best project? Yep, Yeah, it's definitely music. Music is
always my first love, you know, before anything. And so
I have an EPs that's dropping No.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Twenty third.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
It's called Ebonized Introduction. It's really I think that I
kind of, you know, I before I was my my
artist name is Ebny Archer, right, my maiden name if
I got married, But now I kind of change my
whole post stage. Ain't the Ebonizer because I like the
ebonized things, right, And so I think with this EP,
it's really introducing people who I am truly as an artist.
(51:45):
So I'm very excited about it. I think people gonna
like it. You know, it's it got various type of
styles to it, but it's still means. So yeah, it's
the Ebonized Introduction. It's dropping no third.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
So I'm really excited about that project.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well, that's really exciting. If people are gonna get in
touch with you, how would they get in touch with you?
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah? Social media everywhere.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I'm gonna TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, at the Ebonizer. You can
go to my website w W dot thebizer dot online
and you can hit up Sassy also, Okay, I think
it's the boy Agency at gmail dot com. If you
want to contact me for anything else.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I love say I'm gonna I'm gonna have Sassy on
this show at some point.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Tim, Yes, definitely on the show.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
You definitely do real quick. Out of everything you've done
in your career, would you count being on the pod
Guys podcast Tonight the Peak?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh yeah, y'all have fun. I love this y'all that
we got.
Speaker 7 (52:47):
Another one top of the.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Mountain here only downhill from here? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Who knows? Uh Sparky work.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Can you find us?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
If you're looking for us, you can find us on
every single major streaming platform including iHeart, Spotify, Spreaker, Deezer Cast, Box, Pocketcast, Geo, Real, Facebook,
Wise Video, Google YouTube. Soon to be on the Roku channel.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, going Roku we're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
We're gonna do it. Oh well, we do interviews every
Monday night, of course, so tune in ten fifteen Eastern
Standard time. I'm Tony kaz Kevin here. Of course. Do
you ever love in Paca? So do one picture today?
A little sad?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Well now it's clacking slacking. Big shout out Ebney Archer Baylock.
Check her out Ebne the Ebonezer. Wherever you stream music,
check her out on Pandora and uh Spotify, Spotify and
uh iHeart Radio Spotify.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If you get like three million views on Spotify, they
give you like eighteen cents.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I think I've gotten like three cents from them so far.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
The pod guys, you know, they're like, you know, it's exactly,
it's it's real tricky, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Guys, we'll catch you next week, same bad time, saying
bad channel. We're the pod guys podcast. We'll catch you soon.
Have a great night.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
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