The Podguyz Podcast with guest musician Ben Garcia

The podguyz podcast has another great guest this week with country star Ben Garcia. He takes us into an amazing journey of the music industry and we take him down podcast road filled with funny stories and weird news stories. tune in share and enjoy

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy, very expressive with the eyes. Yeah, content, something's going on, Tony.
I think we're live right now.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We might be all right, all right, hello everybody on
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
We heard the pod Guys podcast bringing it to you
live as we do ten fifteen Eastern Standard time every Monday,
light clockwork.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We're on time.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Today, on time. I'm Tony Kaz Kevin near here. Of course,
we have the ever lov and p cost So the
dreamer of all that is colorful and the the doer
of all things non diddied.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
He's the undiddler. He's the undiddler. Let's spark a spark
He's got his big board right there for our viewing audience.
Sparky does like to draw what we are talking about
in depth, in detail. We have our our guest down today,
Ben Garcia. Now, Ben, if you if you are curious

(01:05):
of what Sparky's drawing, if you wanted to put the ford,
you have the four block up there or no, do
you have all four of us on here?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Beautiful, beautiful, so you'll be able to see Sparky's amazing
artwork done on the spot. It's kind of a it's
kind of a gimmick that Sparky does, but he does
add in a key factor into the show. Ben Garcia though, guys,
Ben Garcia musician, rock and roll, country, acoustics.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Blue grass, bulk, hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Are you bluegrasses? It should be blue grass though, right?

Speaker 4 (01:39):
It depends on I was somebody like in Colorado. You
tell everybody you're bluegrass during the summer so you can
get booked those shows in the winter. So you get
booked our shows and so you're inside or outside. But man,
we get labeled everything, you know, so it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So I was watching some of Ben's YouTube Ben's YouTube
on channel and just checking them out, and God, there
was that one song you were in your living room?
Where is it? Where are you here? You're in your
living room? It was something you were just playing around

(02:12):
with here it is. It's called little Something, okay, And
I liked it better and made it kind of blue
grassy by going twice the speed of what it would
normally be. Yeah, have you ever done that?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Nobody? You're smart because when we recorded it, we put
a banjo on it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So you put a band I knew it. You gotta
put a banjo on that that you know. I've done.
I've done music years and years and years ago. I'd
never got along with people though, because if I write
something so specific, I spend months and months on a song,
just play it the way I wrote it, and uh,
you know, people like to call you an asshole, and

(02:51):
well they called me an asshole anyways, and they might
be right, but uh but I got a double the speed, yeah,
and I thought it sounded so much. I'm like, oh
my god, even if you wanted to go double the
speed on the background and uh, go one point five
to speed on the lyrics and like string out some
like a guph three type of you know, ending towards

(03:14):
the towards the rhymes. I mean, it's it's got that real.
It's got that real. Uh, soulful, blue grassy feel, all
gristle to it, a lot of grizzle, a lot of
great a lot of good stuff there. Man, Yeah, no
no problem, no problem.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
But Ben, what Ben, why don't you talk to us
about your newest release?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Uh, sweet and came out last Friday, and it's it's
doing better than my other songs we've ever released, So
super soaked about that. And we've made a video for
a couple of videos for it, so we upped the
production and recording and changed a bunch of things how
we were writing songs and layering songs with That song

(03:58):
has I think eight different musicians on it or different
like instruments on it. So it's got a different, fuller
sound that we wanted to do, and I think that's
why it's doing better than any song I released so far.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
So no, would you say that's more contemporary country or
would you say it's.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
That one definitely is a country song for you know.
I mean I wanted I wanted that song to sound
like a whalan song, you know, like it was whale
coming at you and giving you what it is, you know.
And so it's it's a song about like, I don't
know what you guys do for a living, but if
you've ever had a job with a shovel and had
a manual labor job, that's what that song's written about.
Where you're sweating it out all day through the week,

(04:35):
trying to get to the weekend and just be with
your wife or your girlfriend. Mostly those jobs you get
when you have girlfriends, you know, and you're just going
through that get through the week to get something on
the weekend, going that's not work is what I wrote
that song about. You know.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Ellan Jennings most famous quote to Buddy Holly is, fuck you,
buddy Helpe, you're playing Crashes after missing. It's true. There
was a coin flip. Yeah, there was a coin flip
between who gets to ride in the in the death
plane and Buddy Holly won the coin flip, and uh,
you know, Buddy Holly being kind of cocky, he says, hey, Whaling,

(05:14):
too bad you lost. Uh, tough luck, he says. He
taps him on the shoulders his buddy, fuck you. I
hope you're playing Crashes. Man. That's dead man.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
The best, the best Whaling quote ever if you have
your phone up is what he said about Garth Brooks.
That's the best one he ever did. If you want
to pull that one up.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
There, I will be pulling it up right now. He said, Uh,
yeahn can we play a game.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Let's day to say. This is a quote from Whaling
Jenny Jenny, Uh that would I don't know, man, he
said some stuff. I don't think he want to play.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
We have said some mess ups up, but we're gonna
play this game.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Ye listen. We we've played a game before of who
said it, and we used a very evil person historically known,
and then someone who wasn't evil, very well known, a miler.
Yeah yeah, yeah, like who said it? Hitler or you know,
and no one was getting it because it was anyways

(06:14):
Waylon Jennings and Garth Brooks were not close, with Jennings
expressing strong negative opinions about Brooks and his music. Jennings
viewed brooks music as lacking substance and insincere, seeing his
rise to fame as a result of luck rather than talent. Brooks,
on the on the other hand, acknowledged Jennings uh maintained

(06:35):
respectful stance, recognizing Jennings as a legend in the industry.
Criticized Brooks. I guess he basically said that he was
just not he was more of an accurate No.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's not it.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
No, it's about nylons, and so it's it's a like
it's a pretty good one. When you find it, you'll
see it the grin on your face. Well, all know
you found it.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So the so the thing is the thing is Garth
Brooks also had a did you have Chris Grimes? Wasn't
that all? You shouldn't have alter egos? All right, this
is what I This is what I like about you.
You see, what you get is what you see, and
what you see is what you get sort of thing.
You don't have a different guy that you're doing on

(07:20):
the side, Are you like a different persona? No, you don't. Yeah,
you shouldn't have a punk rock version of Ben Garcia.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
You just have there's a rap version of Ben Garcia?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Though, is there really drawing like a tear drop tattoo here?
You got a fucking gold grilling.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
You don't know, I would not, it's not a classy look,
all right, Yeah, yeah, it's what you see is what
you get, man. And so yeah, it's something that he said,
something like Garth Brooks the country as Panio. It's that's
it's something along then you'll I can't remember at the
top of my head, but.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's okay, okay what Panty Hills did the finger fucking
okay Garth Brooks did for country music. But all right,
all right, So I don't even know if that's First
of all, I don't even know if that's an insult,
because uh, you know, you save the smell. You know,
there's a there's a smell sometimes with Garth Brooks basically

(08:20):
took Garth Brooks basically took the same style that George
Straight had and he's openly admitted it, applied it to
modern nineties eight late eighties, early nineties, and uh added
some fun sing along choruses like I've Got Friends in

(08:41):
Low Places as a nice sing along. The dance is another. Uh,
Garth Brooks hit right there, and then we rod it.
I mean he you know what, he didn't write No,
you're right, he did not write any of those.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Big The thing with Garth is like great until he
hit a point and then the ego got so big.
Is what happened. The balloon exploded, you know, and that's
where it was. That then that's where he got the
alter equal balloon exploded.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
When the Chris Grimes thing came out, that's when you know,
you're like, he left his wife and kids or something
like that. He's banging around with Trisha Yearwould and the
Chris Grimes thing. Of course, normally, when you hit a
peak area, whether you be an athlete or an actor,
you have a good seven years. If you're good enough

(09:27):
to have a really good seven years, any more than
seven years, you're just hanging on to people's nostalgia of
what used to be. Yeah, Tom Hanks, I use as
a constant example, you know, like after Forrest Gump, Tom
Hanks was just the was just Tom Hanks playing a guy.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Man. I don't know because Captain Phillips. I thought he
did good in that movie as a legit movie.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But I know he's I know, he's Tom Hanks. You
kind of get when you're when you're introduced to a
character and you you forget that it's an actor playing
that character. That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, the same Well because I think of like,
I mean, I'm oldenough to remember when he did Big,
you know, like when that movie came out, and then
he did like a Bachelor Party was a great movie
of his two correct, Yeah, but then he did that
turn with Forrest Gump, and then you know, you're you know,
what's the one with the volleyball with Wilson where he's he's.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Castaway But we know, but hold on, we know that's
Tom Hanks. We know that's Helen Hunt. You're like, hang
out with Helen Hunt? Are they gonna are gonna are
they gonna make him have sex with Helen Hunt? God?
And then they make him fuck a ball instead where
he's like, you know, weird enough, it was going to
be a Spalding ball. But his wife's last name is

(10:46):
Wilson in reality, and you know he wanted her to
her money and her family to get the money off.
But yeah, that's not true. That's not true at all.
But it's just that was a weird That was like
a weird movie. But I think everyone was ready was
wanting it because uh Survivor remembers of the TV series

(11:07):
Survivor around that time that first came out, So it
was like a niche. It was like a nice gimmick
where a popular trending thing to have somebody on an
island and try to survive. They did reality show and
they're like, what if we could kind of control this
and throw lovable Tom Hanks on the island.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, I see you're saying. In that.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, the Toy Story, he played Woody's voice and Toy
Story Tim Allen, opposite of Tim Allen, but they're not
on screen, and we don't really see the actors being
themselves or whatever, because they are, you know, inside of
they're their Pixard or whatever. But Sparky's got something there
on the big board, Sparky, what's going on on your
big board? Right there?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
There?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
You go, Garth, take the glasses before you go on
the plane. Hold on, I am getting is Miley's nylons
from Billy Ray? Gross? Perfect, very gross? There were Sparky,
So Ben, what were your musical influences before you decided

(12:16):
to really start going at music like full time, before
you even learned an instrument? Who was the band and
or solo artist that you said to yourself, Wow, I
want to be something like that idea?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah, mine was because I started playing shows when I
was fifteen, you know, and I started touring around that
the same time, and mine would have been like Parl
Jam for sure. James Soundgarden was a huge one, you know,
I mean any that scene was so good and just
it was so many layers of instruments that were so talented.
And these guys weren't just guys like I mean it
got called like garage grunge, you know, and those have

(12:51):
been but they're talented, talented players like Mike McCready from
Pearl Jam was a prodigy of Stevie ray Vaughn, you know,
and like so those players and you like Kim from
sound Garden was just unreal in the dry tunings he
was doing. So those were in a collection of a
blender of music I was listening to at the time
of everybody of Clapton, you know, and Jimmy Hendrix, see

(13:12):
Very Vaughan, you know all those guys.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, even before that, it was Temple of the Dog,
wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Temple the Dog was where I got hooked. That's where
I got hooked on it, you know, that Hunger Strike
when it came out, and like one of my bands
I was in, I named after a Temple of the
Dog song, and so we named Porcelain Mary, which was
which was a Chris Cornell line in a song. But yeah,
I loved all that music and it just hit me
at that age. Your mind is just such a sponge

(13:38):
to music and the thoughts and ideas, and so I
really got into that. But I had parents that were
you know, that listened to a lot of music from
the sixties and seventies, So I was listening to that
at the same time, you know, and that really came
and then a lot of blues. I listened to a
lot of blues before that with those two, but they
were all I mean, the thing with grungees it mixed everything.
It mixed blues that makes folk it mixed. In my mind,

(14:01):
that was the first mix of led Zeppelin two. It
would have been like take two point zero, you know,
of them doing what led Zeppelin and Kiss and those
guys did too. So that was really my influence at
that time when I.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Saw so you were you were very heavy into the grunge,
h the alternative, you know, music lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
What made you go into country?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah? Mine was, well, there's hints of it in grunge,
you know, because Neil Young brought so much of that in.
You know, I mean like you know, on Old Man,
that's you know, that's got a banjo win it. We're
talking about the banjo early. It's James Taylor playing on it.
So I kind of came into the country side of
stuff through the folk side of you know, back not
New age country, but back country, you know, so older country.

(14:47):
And then when I was in college, I went to
college in an agriculture town and worked at a farm
store and it was on all the time. So that
was my real introduction from post grunge into country, was that.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, So even even like you bring up Neil Young.
Neil Young's song down by the River. Yeah, you could
give that to any old band right now and it's
still gonna sound outstanding.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Oh like Cowgirl in the Stands another one. I mean,
you could go through all old man, you could go
through all of them that his stuff has been priceless in.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
There now, Neil Neil Young as far as I think
he got himself in the political arena again during the
Joe Rogan stuff for you, you know, and I'm just like,
what are you fucking what are you doing? You know?
The only thing I had trouble with was seventy over
seventy year old man actually sitting and listening to a

(15:44):
podcast that is over three hours long. I'm like, there's
no way, you know, Like I had to take breaks,
you know. While watching that episode, I was like, all right,
let's see what the hypes about.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, I doubt you watched it.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I'm just like, so, yeah, that's like we havn't like
opinions about his music and never listening to it, right,
It's it's disingenuous at best, But I am.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm still a Neil Young fan. Like his music. It's
good stuff. If you want a shortcut for Neil Young
just by the greatest hits. You know, you got a
lot of mud in the middle, and uh.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Good to him. The eighties were not a good period
for him.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Keep on rocking the Free World. Was that eighties or
seventy nine.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think that was seventies because in the eighties he
went a little bit more digitally, have the neon glasses
and everything. I mean, he may have done keep Rocking
the Fruit. That might have been like eighty two, eighty three.
I don't remember when he did did that, but you
know what I mean, like Harvest and all those albums
are so good. He came out, you know, later eighties
is when he started getting really good, you know what
I mean, A back at, back at it a little

(16:48):
bit went back to to get to your question. So
like I got into college and I was in a
rural town and it was an ag town and really
got introduced to modern country then and then just I
would say, like there's so many styles of country music.
A lot of it's regional. You know where you're from
and where you're at, And I would say mine comes

(17:10):
in at a folk level first, and then from their
layers on top of there. But I don't. I definitely
don't think a new age country in any way.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, no, no, I mean you can see even artists
later on in their careers, like a Bob Dylan kind
of went in a country fashion here. I remember meeting
Bob Dylan and he had a big about five foot five,
big cowboy hat and he takes his hat off. Yeah,
there's a hint of resin and body od are in

(17:37):
the air, you know, like that blend, like if a
breeze made a spray you'd have you'd be like, ah, well,
you guys, you guys smell a little bit. You know that, right.
But he just got done up up montage and we
had backstage passes and that to meet him very quice,
but you tell he was exhausted. So I didn't want
to say, like this is before you know, people are

(17:58):
taking selfies with everybody. I don't want an autograph of
somebody like, hey, by the way, could you write your
name down? Could you? Could you do that? It's like, dude,
why are you trying to commit identity theft? Is this
this is what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think it would smell like the the Gwyneth Peltrow candle.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh the Goop where she uh yeh, Gwyneth Paltrow. We
were on that the the years and years and years ago.
Tony could not stop reminiscing about Goop. And the only
thing is because it had to be a hell of
a time at the research and development lab where she's
there spread eagle creeeping in the air. The scientists are

(18:39):
trying to get it close, you know, doing the doing
the comparison and all that.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
I think you spent too much time thinking about this
candle compared to probably.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
What absolutely absolutely, but ben you with.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Your muse like a stammed roast beef sandwich.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, we just went to We just went to We
just went to Army's. When we're like, you know, this
is it. We went to Army's one day. We forgot
that we ordered it. We founded in a bag, We
threw it a mic away for about twelve minutes, open
it up and there you go.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Let's get I would say Peltrow is the smartest person
in this room, because we're still talking about it five
years later. Oh yeah, nowhere you got to give her
credit for being a great business woman.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I mean I was just if I was Gwyneth
Paltrod taking a you know those sense that go queef
in the room, do that with your vagina, you know, smell,
just do the thing. But ben getting back to your
music real quick. The the thing I don't see you doing,
and it's it's a compliment. The thing I don't see
you doing with country music is I don't see you

(19:46):
limiting your your your wheelhouse of songwriting. Okay, because if
you know what I mean by that, A lot of
country music singers they're just they're talking religion, they're talking family,
they're talking you know, love found, love, lost, love found again.
We've all seen that kind of trope. I don't see

(20:08):
it doing that kind of I don't see you doing
that kind of stuff. So what I'm what I'm getting
at is I'm guessing you are a NonStop writer.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I write a lot. I write a lot, and
I observe even more.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
That's the bigger thing is how you observe, because that
leads to what you write, you know, if you're observing
the right things, you know. And and the other thing
is I you know, like my, like my, My musical
tastes are everywhere, you know, so maybe one day I
go down a rabbit hole where I'm I'm wanting to
like listen to Bob Marley or clip, you know what
I mean, or like you know, or maybe the next

(20:43):
day I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna listen to lad Belly
all day, you know what I mean. So out of that,
you're you're taking that blender of that mix of you know.
That's where that Americano title comes into that music of
ours sometimes too, because it's got to mix us so
much in there, you know. Man, like I may make
it sound like country, but I may be taking ress
or ideas or song patterns from rap, where I maybe

(21:04):
taking it from the blues, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And I was gonna say that that very much happens
where you're you get into her, not to not to
say the rinsewash repeat of country music, but you want
to add different things to it, you want to add
different different flavors.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think if you care about being true to yourself,
you do that. I think if you're wanting to be popular,
you're going the other out, you know, which is fine.
I mean, that's somebody's art. I'm not here to criticize
somebody's art. But just for me, I don't sit down
and think I'm gonna write a country song. I come
down with the thought I have out of my brain
of what I want to write about, and then let
it go.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
You have you stomped on your own hopes and dreams
of like like you're like, oh man, I got this great,
like you know, let's say like a Bob Marley part
where you're like, oh man, this is gonna this is
gonna be great, and then all of a sudden you're like,
then it's gonna work for me.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I did it. I did a podcast last night, and
they're like, what advice would you get kids, I'm like everything,
because no, you're gonna write one good song for thirty
shitty songs, you know, yeah, yeah, you gotta be honest
with yourself, like this sucks, you know, like that's this
is not a good song, you know, or like you know,
and then those things happen and then you you don't know, is.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
There one song that the crowd didn't get and you
knew it was amazing and the crowd was to blame.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Oh no, never, I think it was probably a shitty
song starting.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Sometimes the crowds to blame Ben, They'm.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Saying, well, you could I mean like I've played shows
where just people aren't feeling what I'm playing, you know
what I mean, that's the reality of it.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Like like you have six shows in a row, Yeah,
five of the crowds in a row are like not
digging the song. But you said, you know, there are
fucking they're a bunch of idiots in these five crowds
in a row, the crowd six, then crowd six gets it,
they love it, and you're like, I fucking knew it, Eureka,
we found one.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I don't have those moments compared to like usually if
five of them don't like it, I'm taking note pretty
heavy on that, you know, And so I mean I
could always hold on to it. I can play it
for myself later go back and work on it. But generally,
like you can watch, like I like, when I'm playing
the show, I watched toe taps. You know, if people
are tapping their toes or not in their head and

(23:13):
enjoying it, that's a good measure to me of that song,
because you know what I man like, they could be
there on their first date with somebody, you know, like
you don't know what they're talking to that person about
or what they're doing. You know.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
So did you ever stop and ask them if they
were on their first date? I? No, I didn't, and
so what you know, why not you ask to be like, hey,
are you on your first date? We'll hold on If
you are, I'll get a song for you, and then
you play them the You play them the fucking song.
You know like that? Yeah, you get ready?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I think uh, I think I'll let them decide on
what they're going to do that night.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You can let them. You can set the mood though,
you know, get out Kenny g with this clarinet and ship,
you know, start playing along every song on playing.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You know who likes to set the mood a lot sparky.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Sparky is a mood stter new Bandonna's KNDA with a
touch of Bob Dylan. It's called bobbin on Madonna. Okay,

(24:17):
I like the hat you put on on Bob Dylan
right there, and for our viewing audience, it's it's the normal, uh.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
A b Lincoln top hat.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
So Ben is going to be in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Are
you excited about that?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's gonna be a fun one not played Cheyenne. And
that's what a really great artist coming out in Texas
who's from Colorado originally but moved down to Texas.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I think you're going to be delightfully surprised with Cheyenne Wyoming.
Wyoming is known for its low population, but with the
lack of quantity, you get a higher quality of person there. Honestly,
there are people that are going to be at your
concert and the they are all about the music. If

(25:03):
you've ever played shows and you know you sell out,
but here you got two hundred people there at your
show and half of them are talking and half of
them are ch here and you're like, why did the
half of you even fucking come here? Why are you
even here?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
What do you do that out? We found out that
this winter when we went up north. We did Wyoming, Montana, Idaho,
Salt Lake, and Colorado. But nobody goes up there in
the winter because it's so cold, and we trucked through it.
But like they were attentive and wanted something because they
had nobody goes up there, And you're right, like.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's they're so thankful for entertainment.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, well not only that, but they they care about it,
you know, I mean they don't. That's that's what they've
got to look forward to that week when you're ranching
and you're doing things that are you know, like we
were talking about earlier, when you're in a truck checking
cows all day, that's something to look forward to you
and it really matters to you, you know. And so
I think I think that's it. I don't know, but
that's probably why you see churches more popular in rural

(25:58):
areas like that too, because you're not over stimulated by
the rest of the world. You know, that's your your
family coming back to get It's a beautiful thing, your family.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
We have some churches here in Pennsylvania that are still
more than holding on. The building structures are just very beautiful.
We have one downtown that me and my wife go to,
Saint John the Evangelist, and that the message is all
the same. The book hasn't changed. It's a book club
basically that the book doesn't change in but the the outside.

(26:26):
I used to do Altra boy service for them for
five years and way way back in the day. But
the structure of the building just looks beautiful. It's got
the stony kind of gothic look. You can see the
building for miles and miles and miles away, but when
you get in there, it seats about two hundred. I'm
doing like a head count from being doing entertainment for jeez,

(26:48):
well over twenty two years right now. And you know,
you ever do the head count in church where you're like, ha,
hold on, now it's easter. I wonder, I wonder what
to take is here? That the basket's going around? You
see everybody thrown and there was like twenty bucks ahead.
I'm trying to figure it out. And then I'm seeing

(27:11):
who math at church. It's just one of those things,
you know.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So I see another golden idol for the church.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I see it. I see a split between three people.
The one guy is just sitting there just like a
fucking resting owl, like you could you know. He's on
stage and he's basically sleeping throughout the whole thing because
he's so damn old right the other one, and they
gave all those speaking parts to with a very thick
Indian accent, And I'm like, why do I feel like

(27:40):
he's going to start asking me about my expired car
warranty soon? Holy shit? Thicker than that though, Like I
couldn't understand him, but everyone there was looking like yeah,
we can. We know what you're saying. People were amening
at the wrong time. That's how bad it was. He's like,
oh no, no, not yet. Anyway, he talks like fucking

(28:02):
gallancy quest motherfuckers roaming around there anyways. And then there
was a third one there, red hair throwed out right.
He looked like he was kicked out of Dungeons and
Dragons because he brought up Jesus too much, you know,
So out of this three person take, I'm like, you
know what, this is about a three hundred dollars day for.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Each one of them, minimal, you know, this is an
individual show by itself.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
By the way, flipping around there, Sparky, what we got going.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
On the the is the Irish Irish Carnation of Bob Roth.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Meanwhile in Montana, Uh, why does Bob Dylan sound so clear?
Down with the oligarchy? What the hell?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Bernie Sands, Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm on one of my I'm on a news site
right now is Ben Garcia. Mu Ben, this website looks amazing.
Did you do yourself or did somebody else up with this?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
We had somebody to do it for us, so I
mean we we edit it, but yeah, we had somebody
else design it for us.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Now it really it really looks good. The the SIFA,
the SIFA outline of the whole thing. The links are
all popped up there. This is a nice flow to
it all around. So Ben Garcia music, I'm going I'm
guessing Ben Garcia dot Com was already taken.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Right I remember. I think maybe possibly there's there's a
few Ben Garcias out there. I can't remember. We just
added music on it. Some people knew where it was.
It was a catchy algorithm too when you search it,
so it kind of in that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Ben, Yeah, Ben a Cherry, the Lincoln Cheyenne, Denver, Colorado.
You're West Coast space where you had right now.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'm in Colorado right now. I'm home now, So yeah,
I was in Texas two weeks ago and I'm home.
I was in the studio this weekend. Then I'm off
and then we go and then we go to the
West Coast and do that whole episode of North West
West or in July.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
So, Ben, you do have something co on June seventh, right.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
That's in Denver. Yeah, that's opening for Jared Marcy. Yeah,
so that's gonna be a great show to be home at.
So then and then the fourteenth, I'm in Grand Junction,
and then I got another show coming up after that
out of town.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, it's a fly in show.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
So I'm like, didn't Colorado get super expensive or.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Man, it's it's pricey here for sure. Yeah, well all
the because everybody moved during COVID out here, you know,
and everybody wanted to land and to be a rural
you know, so that happened.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And you get more freedom, you get to smoke some
weed and stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
You know, like big one, that's a big one, might.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Be it is?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean Colorado said that up though.
I mean I think they did a good job on it.
So all the money they tax off of marijuana goes
to build schools in the rural areas of the state.
So like it really, I think when they passed that law.
I mean, whatever your views on marijuana, is that the
great thing about is rural school's got a lot of
money and got some really nice school.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I like it. There's a there's a definite, there's a
there's a place for it for responsible smokers. And then
you could you could definite. I could spun an irresponsible
smoker all day. You know, they're the you know, they're
the people that stand in line in front of you
at a gas station asking for different blunts, flavored blunts,

(31:21):
you know, and quantities, and then you know they say,
oh no, no, I want that separate and I want
the beginning part on my food stamp card and then
all the bloods with my my can you break a hundred?

Speaker 6 (31:35):
And I'm like, what the fuck? I just need you
stumpbag out of my way? Why can't you? You know,
terrible thoughts get in your head. But that is an
irresponsible smoker marijuana. That is somebody that needs all the
brain cells.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
The bigger one for I saw was they took them.
I mean, all joking aside, they took the money for
the weed, but they didn't do anything for mental health
and they got Yeah, you know, I mean, we can
joke about it all day, with the reality of it
is is a lot of people are seeking that because
of mental health issues, and we weren't ready for that
in this state. You know. I think that was the bigger,
the bigger part of that, the beginning.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, the I think I think it helps people
get happy, you know, uh real quick and uh yeah,
they say relieves anxiety. Anything that can relieve anxiety can
also create anxiety. If you've ever you know, run into
a friend who's just like, oh man, I just need

(32:32):
to get high. I just need to get high, and
you're like, on what what the what is making you
react like this? And you know it depends. You know,
no drug is no drug is uh it's taken out
of that context, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Like an addiction's addiction. It doesn't matter what you're doing.
I mean, you could be addicted to running and still doing.
It's a dopening release of the brain, right, I mean
that's what addiction is. So it doesn't matter if it's
chest running or drugs, you know. I mean that's you
got a service the addiction. And that's what I mean
by the mental health stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Wasn't marijuana, though, marijuana was. I haven't smoked it and
probably i'd say nine or ten years now, and it
was the easiest one to just not do. Just very easy,
no withdrawal. Really, alcohol was tough. I've been doing stand
up comedy for fifteen sixteen years right now. So alcohol

(33:23):
when you go to a club and owner knows you, Hey,
you drink free tonight. That's your pay, you know for
if you're doing like fifteen minutes spot for a four
o'clock show in Manhattan, and hey, we can give you
a five beers and twenty bucks, you know whatever. That
gets into a really tough spot where you're like, wow,

(33:46):
you know, all I seem to do is drink. That
took some time to quit having drink in six years?
Are you? Are you a drinker right now?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Ben?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Well? Yeah, but I've like I I mean, I'm not
a big dinger, but like my my friend gave me
great advice when we started this up Againning He's like,
have one beer a knife. So it's either you're on
stage or at the merch table, you have one beer
a knight, you know. And then like you know, like
my my manager's theory on it is you're being interviewed
by three hundred people a night when you play a show,
you know. And when I go with that theory on,

(34:14):
I mean there's been nights I probably like there was
a night in Texas. I had a good, good crowd
in there. They come to a lot of my shows
and we I got them playing and we had a
great time. But like I just you know, it was
all in good fun. But yeah, I'm not I'm not
a big drinker. I mean, like I'll have a beer
and a glass of wine or something, you know, something
like that. But man, I've watched this industry take people
down my whole life, you know. I mean I've seen
it bring a lot of people down. And and I

(34:37):
think in long shadowy road, yeah, I think the bigger
thing is because you're being judged, and if you can't
deal with that judgment and you have to drink away
that judgment, that's that's where you get caught in music,
you know, I mean if you have to not be
ready for I mean not everybody's gonna like your jokes
and everybody's gonna like your songs, you know. I mean
any art you put out there, nobody's gonna love it
one hundred percent, and you just kind.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Of have to that door swings both ways though, my friend,
because everybody loves it and they're like, here you go,
you time to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, here's a man.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I mean, I had a life. I started playing bars
when I was fifteen. I mean I was very coming
you know after I mean I took a twenty year
break from all this and came back, and it's like
I was much wiser for the time than in my youth,
is what I will say.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Do you like it more now than you did before?

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Oh? Man? Yeah? I mean, like because before you know,
you're like nineteen and you're at a bar and like
you said, they're painting and drinks. You get whatever drinks
you want. People are buying you drinks. A great time.
You know, you're you're just not just not in it.
But yeah, I think to be at my agent doing
it now is fantastic. Love that have a blast, you know,
I mean, but there's the egos different at nineteen compared

(35:43):
to forty six, you know, I mean, the reflection of
life's a little different, and what you take for granted.
I mean, I still write about it a lot. I mean,
you know, like I write about stuff I did at
those times and things that you know, things basically I
write a lot about how you hurt people when you're
in that mindset, you know, and when you're doing those things.
You know, not to get down on a ship. You
guys like to have fun, but there's a dark side

(36:04):
of that. How you treat people, you know when you're
doing that, and that's the reality you have to face
if you want to apologize to them and try to
make amends with it. You know, part of it's just
submitting it, even laugh about it and admit it. But
you also have to admit it to apologize.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh man, you have to. Yeah, you have to do
that and able to move on and grow as a
person for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, to be holier than now that's the stuff
that I think. It's like, that's the stuff that gets
old to me, is when somebody thinks they're better than
you because they made a decision differently than you. It's yeah,
I get, who cares what I mean?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like you know, I mean, I mean, in reality, in
that moment, they were better than you. Yeah, but you know,
we're playing a game for a lifetime. So if you're
you know, yeah, zoom in, congratulations for that moment. Yeah,
you were better than me, But we got a long
fucking road to go. Man, before you know, you can
You can't just hold on to that as a win

(36:57):
and compare yourself to one person, because eventually, if you
start doing that, you start lowering the bar for your
own expectations in life. All around.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Man, I think comedy. I mean I had a friend
in college who became a comedian and he passed away
from it, you know. I mean it got him, you know,
I mean he he he kept that party going from
college in his comedy and it killed him. You know.
But I think I think comedy to me, I don't know.
I'm not a comic, but I think you have nothing
to hide behind. It's you in a joke and a microphone,
you know. I mean, And that's a hard swing to

(37:25):
take of creation, of creating stuff, you know. And I
would see where comedy may be a little different on drinking,
you know, because you're going on at one am, you're
going at two am, you're going you know. I mean,
there's different times.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
There where a lot of people hide their true emotions
and they can do it through laughter and the mask.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Of common response.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Thought.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, I mean, I would dare say most comics have
lived through most stuff they don't really want to talk about,
and that's their outlet.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I would say, I would say, you have to really
enjoy writing things that maybe didn't happen to you, things
that could have happened down the road. Think, you know,
you have to really enjoy creative writing, fictional writing, and
acting as if it is one fact. Uh you have

(38:17):
you know, storytelling has to be there, uh and right
not to suck, you know. That's the hard a big thing.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Do you have a hard time turning and off like
when you like it's downtime and you have family time.
Do you have a hard time going like, Okay, I'm
not on stage, like I don't need to be a
comedian here in the room or what do you think
it is?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
No, I don't. I don't try to. I don't try
to turn it off. You know, it's not a it's
not really a you know, an like when you switch
when I have with my on switch when I'm on stage,
I know what, I know what I'm gonna say. I
know what I'm gonna do, you know, to one degree
or another depending on crowd reactions sometimes And I got

(39:01):
that good, you know, twenty to thirty minute clip, you know,
And that's just twenty to thirty minutes of my life, right,
But that's bottling up of what I'm already doing on
an everyday basis. Yeah, that's trying to edit down what
I've written and thought. That is that's really funny. And
she's man, I could write down two hours and then

(39:22):
just clip about ten minutes of what I think might
work with one certain crowd, and then or you know,
if I don't have a transition point that I think
is correct, that doesn't work as even a conversation would
with an audience, then I got to cut the whole thing.
I got to scrap it, start over from new right.
But the I mean, I guess we do have family
time here.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
The baby. The baby doesn't know what I'm saying. He
just looks at She's looking at me like, eh, who
are you I kidnapped? Is this what's going on?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
You know, like when she's older and my girls are older, though,
when you when you have to have a serious talk
with her, are you going to be a comedian or dad?
That's the decision you got to kind of lead to.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The the serious talks involved what what
serious talks? What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Want?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
You know, like with our girls, we really focused on
like reflection on if something happened right, like if they
did something negative or some teaching moment. You know, there's
a moment of like why did you do that? Why
did you why did you think that was the best decision,
you know. And if you and to me, if you,
if you slap it with comedy and try to make
it light you're just teaching a response instead of feelings, right,

(40:26):
So that's going to be the challenge of like, do
I comedy this to make it lighthearted because that's usually
a response to something in life, or like are we
going to talk about this? Are we gonna like what's
your feelings in this? What are you feeling? Has to
be switched.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So I mean my take personally, what I think is
I think people inherently feel bad if they caused pain
or anguish to others. It's just a natural empathy that
we're all sort of born with. And if we're not, well,
there's a bigger problem then.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah. I think there's that great artist man, he spent
his whole life trying to draw like a child, because
an adult can't think like a child, right, and a
child paints a certainly because they don't have ego or stroke,
they don't criticize themselves. That's the reflection of adult compared
to child. And that's the biggest struggle with being a parent.
You know, as you go through as you think like, oh,
this person doesn't know what I know. Like, this person

(41:17):
doesn't this is all new to them. That's the challenge
of being a parent to me, not saying you're doing
something wrong. But that's that's the reflection point where.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
My only advice to anyone that ever does anything remotely terrible, yeah,
is acknowledging maybe they maybe they know that it's a
bad thing. You know, maybe they maybe they know. So
let's walk in with that mindset that let's assume they
know that it's a bad thing. And then after we're

(41:47):
already taking that into account, let's take that and roll
with it this way and say something to this degree
where you're just like, hey, you know, it's a pretty
terrible thing you did. I hope you know that. And
if you don't know that, we should don't beat yourself

(42:11):
up that much about it. Just learn from it that
maybe don't do that again, you know, And you want
to you want to emphasize, in my opinion, that's just
my opinion. You want to emphasize because people can hold
guilt and not be able to get over things because

(42:32):
they're over punished and they'll stay there for a long time.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, for sure, that does happen. As an adult. But
when you're dealing with children, that's a whole I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
When you're and it starts from it starts from childhood,
you know, it starts from childhood. That if the person
in charge says, hey, you know, it's bad, but what's
even worse is if you never forgive yourself and.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
You can't and you can't move yourself forgiveness. Yeah, you know,
yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
So that's that's the that's the only tone that I
would use. I wouldn't want to you know, be stern
enough to where now I'm creating a fearful environment and right,
and then they're afraid to even do anything around you know,
be themselves or anything like that. So that's just that
would just be my personal take. And uh, you know

(43:22):
it's not adding comedy onto it, but it's not adding
too much you know, sternness to it. It's just treating
a situation with you know, the longevity of how long
people will remember you were you know, you did something bad,
you know, like not not too too not too too harsh.
But Sparky's got something on the big board there, Sparky,

(43:47):
what's going on? It says Kevin's Lessons in life. Let
me teach you about a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Is it going to fly away?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh? No, no, it will not fly away.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Never know about those pyramids, ben.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I literally told these guys to sign up for robin
Hood for a little bit of like a five dollars
bonus they can get to invest in their future retirements.
And then they just couldn't stop talking about pyramid schemes.
And I'm like, it's not though. It's literally the New
York Stock Exchange.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
And there was more than that.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
There was how much more than that?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh, there's there's quite a bit more that.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I literally told you to buy dog coin.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
You did.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
You made a thousand dollars, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Between the three of you, you know, ten years when
I was still be talking about it, and so I know, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Uh, you know then what the biggest hit names and
music right now? Who do you think is not necessarily
at the top of their game, especially when it comes
to country, uh, country, bluegrass.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
And.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I mean it's more in the Americana would be Sierra Ferrell,
I think right now, you know, I mean I think
she's anything she touches right now is just beautiful, you know,
and it's it's she's got a lot of she's got
a lot of musicians behind her that are really good.
She's got a songwriters around her that are good. She's
got a beautiful voice. And I think I think she's rolling.
I mean, I don't think she's to the top of

(45:27):
what she's gonna do yet, you know, but I think
she's one that, you know, she she's honest. I mean,
she's honest about her struggle. She's honest about her addictions,
you know, like we've just talked about, you know, and
I think you can hear it in her voice, you know.
I mean, like the biggest thing I'm noticing right now
in some music is I have a hard time believing
in nineteen year old's at a bar drink in a
bottle of whiskey with maxed out credit cards that are

(45:47):
you know what I mean or things like that. Like
that's the thing where like maybe it's just un becoming
an old curmudgeon, you know, with that. But I'm like, I,
you know, I like I want all art to be truthful.
I want all our you know. I like I want,
you know, Kevin, I went your comedy to be from
something you've lived through, you know, like a painter to
be something they've seen, you know, and I want to
believe it and know that it's true to their heart,

(46:09):
you know.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
And maybe that is a painter can paint something they've
never seen before, and that is called creativity still because
you are creating something from absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I got to ask the ultimate question, how do you
feel about Taylor Swift?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Man, I'd like Taylor stiff.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I think that is not the ultimate question. The ultimate
question is the country music star of the Year Beyonce?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's man.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I know, who's to say because I talked to me
about this the other day, Like, who's to say she's
not country to somebody else? I don't know, you know
what I mean? Like, you know, I mean it's is
it regional? Is it where you're from?

Speaker 7 (46:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I don't it's as much as Chris Grimes as punk rock.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
That's yeah, probably true, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, Barky does have it on the big board.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
What do you got, spark you' the artist that everybody
is talking about what he touches. So uh, mister Diddy,
what is a freak off?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
What is a freak off?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Ben?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
What's your take on the p. Diddy situation. There are
you keeping up on the trial?

Speaker 4 (47:13):
I'll tell you the crazy I played a show in
Texas in December and somebody was talking about Jamie. We
were talking about Jamie Fox because that's when he had
his you know, everything happened. And my buddy looked at me.
He's like, did he did it? And this is when
nothing was out. I mean, nobody had said anything. He's like,
don't be full to what did he's been doing? And
I was like, no way, man. You know, that guy's
got a big empire everything, and like, son bitch. He

(47:35):
was right. You know, Like I'll say this, I think
if you if you're drugging anybody for anything, you deserve
to go to jail for the rest of your life.
And I hope that's what that man ends up for
if even if an ounce of it or one story
is true, I hope he's in jail for the rest
of his life.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You know, there was a lot of uh, there's a
lot of clips where he's publicly confessed things that are crimes,
and everyone's let and everyone's attitude towards it at that time,
yeah was oh that's a Hollywood party for you, or yeah,
that's how things go on. I mansioned you know those.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
And I'll say, here's my political thing. I'll say is
this is like two because you remember through that, like
the movement of that who's that director that was not
director but he.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Owned Harvey Harvey Weinstein.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Weinstein, you know, like people in Hollywood shouldn't be preaching
to you about morals if they're turning the blind eye
to that shit going on. Huge, I mean, that's what
I'll say, Like if it seems like everybody knew what
was going on in all those things, you know, and
like if they're going to give moral advice, they need
to turn the mirror on themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Absolutely no. And Harvey Weinstein, by the way, was celebrated
by lawmakers, you know. I mean, I'll keep it up.
I'll keep it at that lawmaker idea. You know that
people that were eventually going to arrest him. He was
celebrated by ill enough women came Bill Cosby. The Bill

(49:02):
Cosby situation had been going on since the g's the
mid eighties, and no one, no one believed it because
you know, Bill Cosby is just one of the funniest
people of all time, right, and that's that's a fact
you could, you know, watch his shows minus the rape

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accusations and you're like, wow, this guy doesn't curse his story.
When I was teaching, I was teaching comedy classes, I
always used Bill Cosby as an example of how to
tell a story. He had three jokes in one and uh,
three jokes in an hour and twenty minutes. Three jokes only, okay,

(49:44):
And it lasted an hour and fifteen minutes. Three stories. Yeah,
And everybody that was watching them, including myself, was hanging
on each word he was saying, each facial expression that
was constructed, and each story twist, and what could have happened,

(50:08):
what was running through his mind at the time, everyone
was involved in it and the reasoning for it. He's
got something that, as you know as a musician, it's
the power of silence in between nothing. Radar Love even
has that. Remember the song Radar Love by gold E
Ring Ye Golden Earring. They have a silence and then

(50:31):
everyone's waiting for it because they're so used to it
being there, and then when it comes back, it's inherent
in us to get back with the beat. Even more,
Bill Cosby knew that A couple other public speakers also
knew that, but he was funny about it in a
very unique way at the time, to the point where
it reminds me maybe that old Total Bull commercial, the

(50:53):
Total cereal. You know, you can have fifteen bowls of
corn flakes or one bowl of Total remember that. Yeah,
his accusations reminded me of that commercial. They're like, what
if we told you twenty seven women and you're like
a man, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
That's how bad that industry is, because I you know,
I mean like I I mean, you take how I
write music, and I come from the school Richard Pryor
really like that was my that was who's comedy is
loved because it went everywhere, you know what I mean,
Like he would be moved so quick and went everywhere.
But like prior to just free based cocaine, he didn't
rape anybody. Know, he had a horrible you know, but
it's amazing of the moral police that they have and

(51:32):
are you know, like that comes up where it's like
how did that? I mean back to what you're talking about,
like how many people turned a blind eye to that
shit going on? You know? And that's that's where I
struggle without those stories, you know, because it's it's a whole.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's a whole I think it's a whole other level.
It's a whole other level of Uh, it's a whole
other level of living all around you have you have
a culture changing icon like Bill Cosby, Okay, he did
do that, and then you have one woman accusing him

(52:06):
of something, and all of his friends all millionaires. Everyone
knows they can have Bill Cosby as a friend and
do a show firm or whatever, get they can get
something from each one of them. And one woman comes
by and says, oh he did this, and they're gonna
look at her and say move along. Yeah, you know
before we call the police. A second woman, a third,

(52:28):
a fourth.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
There's a lot of big stories that are even out there,
and like we've we've covered quite a bit, you know,
as far as like either Kanye or Lizzo.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Like, let's take Lizzo.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
For instance, I don't know how how far down the
rabbit hole you've been with her been even at all.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I mean, Kanye, I can talk about I listened to
her so long.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
But he goes he goes off in a whole different tangent.
Maybe that's a whole different show in general. But Lizzo
last year had gone yet. Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
She she was accused of uh.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, torturing her staff. Yeah, of course
while they were on tour with sexual inanimate objects and
blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Fat shaming. And then she came out.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
With uh, she never she never ever, ever came out
with anything that was like, well, I never did that.
She was just like, oh, those accusations are so ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I can't believe that someone would say that about me.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Do you think, though, on this P Diddy stuff, they've
even scratched the surface of what was done though?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Oh god no, no.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Like I think this is a whole other level of
something we haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
We do situations, just a whole different ballgame of a
train wreck.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well, what we do know is.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
R.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Kelly's in jail, and they probably talked to him for
a little bit, and he probably talked a little bit too,
and P. Diddy's name came up. Cops probably cops probably
lied to him. They said listen, we're gonna you help
us out, will help you out, and he helped them out.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
They said they were they together, was he was R
Kelly with I don't remember if you was.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, they well, when when you were in that same
Hollywood realm, you hear stuff, you know, and if you
get a tip and you think it's going to help
you when it comes to child trafficking. You know, the
the difference between R. Kelly and Jeffrey Epstein is uh.
I think I think one owned the island and the

(54:44):
other one rented. I'm not sure. Well, Sparky, what's going
on here? Weinstein? Epstein? R Kelly Diddy? That's how it went,
something like.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That, the family tree right there.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Something like that. But when you know, police in that
same area now have information on another R and B singer,
producer who went to Howard University, very rich parents, well
off if you could take all that wealth back and
just you know, auction it off.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
And you know, there's quite a few names that are
coming out in the wash with the whole P Diddy
thing though, just including Jamie Fox, Jamie Fox's was.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And Ben This is probably this is probably why you
know you are not a household name. You didn't go
to any didty parties? Did you?

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Man?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
This is what's going on.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I mean, I I mean, I I love the music
he put out, but I'm not streaming it right, now
after that, no, no, I would do like I just yeah, man,
that's the evil of evil, you know. I mean you
can't even joke about it. So evil, you know, and
some of that stuff, you know, I mean it's just
beyond you know, I mean, it's but the crazy thing. Man,
I watched a special on that the other day, and
like they're like, they make an accusation and then pddn't

(55:58):
come out and be like I never did that. Then
they show the tape and be like, well, I'm sorry
that was the worst behavior I could have done. And
like there's like only so many layers of rito before
that brito explodes, you know, like it just you know,
we're like.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
They're like, but but mister Diddy, you uh, Sean, if
I may, you have thousands of DVDs of you doing it. Yeah,
and he's like that wasn't me, okay. So in these
DVDs at the beginning of them, you're saying, this is
Sean Combs doing some illegal shit, Like how much more

(56:31):
they didn't give him bail? They didn't let they didn't
They are not allowing him to have bail as a millionaire.
That's when you know something's wrong, right, Michael Jackson allowed
freely out request on his own recognizances, could go out
and tour. Do you know while the investigations going on.

(56:51):
R Kelly even got a small amount. This guy's not
getting out like they are not letting him out at all.
They're trying to link him to NAT, just like the
sexual misconduct, the harassment, the potentials of many many rapes.
That's what they can get him on. What they can't
get him on are rappers and other artists disappearing, thank you, Sparky, Tupac,

(57:17):
Biggie freak offs. See these two situations, people are like, hey,
you know the one thing Tupac and Biggie had in common.
And Sugar Knight Puff Daddy, what's he doing? Roman around
And I think it's gonna eventually get back to Snoop
Dogg where Snoop Dogg killed the man.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Snoop Dogg he killed a man, and Dan.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
He killed a man in broad daylight nineteen ninety three.
Martha Stewart did more time. Martha Stewart did more time
than Snoop Dogg. No hate, but you know many witnesses
he was out, he was out at jail like that.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I think his proguard took the wrap on that one.
If I remember my history.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Right, yeah, he paid his security guard to take a
wrap for.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I remember right. But yeah, but man,
here's the deal. In my mind, I think you know,
Snoop runs that little league for kids in football. I mean,
he does a lot of community work, and maybe guilt
caught up to him a little bit on that. But
this one the other way, it got worse, Like it
didn't get redemption, it got worse, you know, And I
think that's maybe the side, you know what they're I mean,

(58:23):
that's and I'm sure that's not what you guys wanted
to talk about. But that's to me, what I was
gonna say is that's an evil you can't even like.
We'll never know it, you know what I mean, We'll
never know the depths of that evil.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
He did. He had his own special you know, size
of baby lotion provided by Johnson and Johnson. He was like,
just give me the diddy, you know, they would give
him seven pounds.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Now, there is an alleged list of all of the
people that were at the supposed freak off parties. Some
of the names cant contain you know, of course, Leonardo DiCaprio,
Jay Z, Beyonce, Ashton Kutcher, Para Hilton, Howard Stern, Brand,
Mariah Carey, Jennifer Lopez, Russell Simmons, Usher, Meghan Fox Usher

(59:08):
in Ping.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, yeah, but they filmed every party. That's the thing,
is all the that's you know, I mean, every party's filmed.
And then Jamie Fox when you read on it, he
had a production company film and everything he went too.
I mean, so it's that's writing that much. My friend
may have been right when it said that, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It's well, it's well documented. Moving on real quick to
your one of your favorites in America's Favorite, Taylor Swift.
He would have remains discovered near Taylor Swift's homes, spark
more serial killer fears after twelve people found dead in
the area. Now, was it Taylor Swift being the serial
killer or was it another tight end in the NFL

(59:47):
murdering people Travis Kelsey doom Boom. Aaron Hernandez was known
to be a serial killer. He killed a lot of people.
Tight end for the Super Bowl winning New England Patriots
is Travis Kelcey. Following in the Aaron Hernandez footsteps, and
killing people and burying them around the house of Taylor Swift.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I got a deeper question on Taylor Swift. Do you
think she'd ever take it back the success she's had,
of the life she's been run through, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
The gamin Yeah, so I think, I think. I think
there are some people that her parents, her parents bred
her to do it big time there. They put a
guitar in her hand at the age of five, and
they're like, hey, look at our daughter is going to
play the two Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
All the songs she wrote.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It's and it's a comp it's a really it's it's
a unethical you know. Is uh is a very fun
word to use. It's a sick competition when people are
doing that with their kids. But it's necessary if you
want them to be at the top. She's going to
be a billionaire if she isn't already right now, Ben,

(01:00:57):
you've been going since you were fifteen years old. You
took twenty years off and now you have made it
to the peak of your career on the Pod Guys podcast.
There you go, Yeah like this is it doesn't it's
all downhill from here going down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I can grab after this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, before before we end this show, Sparky's got one
more uh one more diddlers the whiteboard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Are you on the lesson? She says, I am getting
ape a little bit of talk, a little bit of
south right there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Yeah, but I think he did. He was Dayton Lopez
at the time, special and I think there's there's more
at all that than anybody wants to. But you know,
the thing that's going to be interesting is how many
politicians brought those parties.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You know, whoa get unimaginable.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I don't know if I don't know if uh, you
know politicians go to uh to parties like that, but
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Of it, I know they went to outside island.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
So yeah, they took the money and a lot of
went to Epstein's Island. You know. For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
The only thing I could really suggest people to go
to is Ben Garcia music dot Com to check out
all of your upcoming dates throughout the northwestern territory of
the United States of America. That's that's definitely one place
to go to him. I right, Ben, Yes, sir, no bias,
You're not biased, You're just you're all about.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
It too, right, Yeah, exactly are you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You're probably the best on the tour, right, you're not, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Oh no, I'm opening for some really great acts on
that thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
So yeah, hear that he's the best on the tour. Everybody,
who are you opening?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Questionable?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Open it? Hey, man, opener set the tone. I went
to a concert. I went to a so many Tom
Petty concerts, and uh, best opener for Tom Petty Jackson
Brown loved it, amazing, outstanding worst opener, worst opener for
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Black Crows, Holy shit, yeah, yeah,

(01:03:09):
just awful. Just why don't you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Just when did you see them? What year was that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Oh my god? So let me see here. This was
two thousand, two thousand and two, two thousand and three,
two thousand and five, two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
That wasn't their best years of playing, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Black Crows? Yeah, I mean Jackson Brown was in his sixties, dude,
and he was amazing. You know. I mean, these guys
are younger and in their worst years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think that they're doing well. Now. I
mean that ego train they were on at that point
in their lives is not Oh I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I believe it because you know, nothing, like nothing
more like doing three songs and then you know you
could I could tell by a song two, I'm like,
I think they're drunk. I think they're drunk right now.
And then by song three is like yeah. Then by
song four they did song one again and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Oh, time to get it over with.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
We're reading that book right now on them, and like,
I mean there's fist fights backstage during that time, Fraim,
I mean there's there's legit stuff going on. You know.
That's you know, that causes a lot of that stuff,
you know, And so like we talked about it earlier,
with being on stage and drinking, you know, I mean,
that's the stuff that gets you, you know, I mean
you forget, you forget why you're doing it. You forget,
you forget when you're a child and you dream about

(01:04:23):
being on stage and having that moment of people listening
to what you have to say, and you override it
with your ego.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
That's alwaysis with the Gallagher brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
You know, yeah, man, story have you ever heard the
story about when they did Unplugged and there and then
the brothers like they're smoking a joint and drinking a
beer and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Boon he left. He's like, he's like, you sing it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Then yeah, I mean, and he goes and smokes. He's like,
I smoked him split and then he's like, it's just
like it's the best brother's story ever. He's Boon and
his brother unplugged, you know, like, I mean, weren't they
going to tour again? And then they never did. I
heard all this they were gonna play another show than
they never they never did, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
That you know there, it's it's all these bands from
the nineties that end up doing that. And I'm gonna
include Guns and Roses into that idea. The last hit
song Guns and Roses had and I'm not counting Chinese
Democracy at all, Okay, not going to count it. I
think it was Patience actually nineteen ninety two, because November
Rain was done before that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
No Patience came out and uh use your not wasn't
under use your illusion because you're use your illusion was
over written November Rain. That would have been ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
It's still like you're talking thirty years ago, you know,
thirty thirty plus years ago. You know where people are
like waiting for what you know, they had Guns and
Roses had again what I like to call it good
seven years. Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
They made fame train till It till it died and
came deled.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
They made Vancouver. They made Canadians lose their fucking mind. Yeah,
the Vancouver Riots familiar with the Vancouver Riots, so they
didn't show up. They didn't show up, and then they
agreed as a part of their fucking contract. They're like,
don't worry, will Well next year we're doing it and
blah blah blah, and then they didn't show up a
kaid fucking assholes. They made back to back riots in Vancouver,

(01:06:19):
having every Canadian lose their ship. Twice people died while
at a concert for nothing. There was no The worst
part was there was no music to this fucking festival
of fuck of beating the hell out of each other,
this royal rumble.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Of every day people forget what they when they were
a kid and they dreamed of being at that moment.
You know what I mean, you picked the art. That's
the thing is you lose track of why you were
fourteen sitting in the mirror pretending like you're playing from
of thousands of people. You know, that's that's the ship
where that happens or people just get lost in it.
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
A politician list from P Diddy party, what is in common?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
What's in common? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Money, That's what I would. They were driving so much
money at that time, that'd be my conclusion.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
You ready, ready back Obama okay, Michelle Obama okay, Al Sharpton, Yeah,
Jesse Jackson okay, Andrew Como cool, Cory Booker yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Bill Clinton, Hilly Clinton.

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
Okay, Stay Abrams, yeah, Kamala Harris, mhm, Charles Wrangler, Maxine,
Maxine Watchers okay, Ron Emanuel, the former mayor of Chicago.
That Michael Bloomberg, Derek Adams, John Kerry, Devell Patrick Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
So, Spork, I think what you're describing here, and I'm
gonna interrupt your real quick only because I have to
dismiss it a little bit. Finding a Democrat in California
is like finding a cat in the alleyway. There's gonna
be one, no matter what. Okay, So for them to
be invited.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
At there's only one problem.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Though, Kevin, what's the one problem?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
They're all Democrats so far? Then going down the list, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
You're not gonna I could name a party that Michael
Vick had and they're gonna all be Republicans in Georgia.
You know, like, look what you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Need to do. We need to end this show.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
We need to Yeah, I'm that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I think that'll I think no matter if it's Michael
Vicker beat, it all comes down to money. Oh yeah,
that's the part of the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Then where is your money at? Where can people reach you?
Where can they get in touch with you in order
to book a show?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, Instagram is a great way. At ben Garcia Music, Facebook,
ben Garcia Music or a web page ben Garcia Music
dot com is the best way to reach that. To
book us or to come see a show, I mean,
come to the show, come talk to us, you know,
have a you know, come to the merch table, hang
out with us and tell us your story and what
you like. That's my favorite thing is out people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
After Now you have a manager PR guy, right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I have a booking Yeah, that's on the web page
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
And then so and then I have a PR guy
to you for sure. So he's he's brilliant at what
he does. And so yeah, really really good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Thanks for having me on guys. I hope it stayed where
he thought it was going to be, like we just
we did some music and then some of the whole world.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
You know. Yeah, No, this is just so we already know.
We already know your music is great, but people don't
know how you feel about stuff, how cool the hang
you are as far as a person goes. So you know,
people could listen to the music and say, wow, you
know what, this is good, But I wonder what the
guy is. I wonder what the guys like to hang
out with. And this is kind of giving everybody a

(01:09:45):
look at how that is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
And he's I mean, I think I think the thing
that we're we got to remember in this country is
we can all talk and get along and laugh, you know,
and even if we disagree on something, still find respect
and common ground for each other. Of like, we all
don't need to have the same advan, you know, but
I think we're coming close to people knowing us we
need to have the same opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I always say that, you know, there there there could
be people that have two opposing opinions and uh, you know,
they both make good points. What's wrong with What's wrong
with two people making good points about something that are
completely opposite, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Like Kevin hates fries, I like chips.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Yeah, I'm an onion ring kind of guy. So we
just made the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Whole show onion rings, onion rings. You know, you have
got a good bite out of the guys. The whole
thing hits you in the face. That's terrible. Well, we
should cancel Ben garcia now because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Like check out Ben ben Garcia's music of course on
Spotify anything that you'd like to stream your music on
of course I heart radio with Spotify.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Whatever, it might be some great stuff on there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Thanks, guys. What kind of music do you guys listen to?
You like? What what's your.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Pearl jam? Was my was my you know my jam
back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
So I was a big fan of Temple of the
Dog and in Pearl Jam and like even their new
stuff it's all right, but you know, of course they
hit their heavy stride back in the back in the
eighties nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
So I'll go I'll go by what I've been listening
to recently. Most recently of course, you know, Bob Dylan
just to start things off, and Tears for Fears. Great,
that's some good stuff, really, you know, really solid stuff.
The War on drugs, you know, underrated all around. I mean, yeah,

(01:11:37):
I could, I could listen to some older Beck kind
of stuff. But you know, the.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
I don't know, great album totally is a fantastic album
Beck put out, you know, I mean that's been all
that Beck stuff. Really stuff around there is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Too, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I mean I have seen as great band.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I don't know if if you guys heard so much
into like the forty one, uh you know type of era,
not not to say like emo pop, you know type stuff,
but the paradox really love them, love them great, great band.
Uh they're hitting their stride right now, like just hitting
the airwaves and hitting the hitting like millions of uh

(01:12:19):
of lessons.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's I could, I could jam
out to the Weekend He's uh, he's pretty good stuff.
You know. It's it's it's it's listenable, you know, it's
it's an easy listen right there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
There's a country band that did on one of his
songs and it's a great cut, Like it's a great
the Weekends of Talented Artist.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I remapped out his I read, mapped out his Savior
Tears on piano, and slowed the fuck down big time, right,
and uh, I thought that it was a really really
good take on the idea and then people and then
when I heard the actual song, I'm like whoa, you know,
like totally these are two total different songs, same lyrics

(01:13:01):
and stuff, but one just a very very heartfelt from
from my end, just just for a hobby, you know,
like music. It's never gonna be my my ultimate goal.
Ultimate goal is to get a Netflix special and then
you know, fade off into a desolate reality or whatever
the hell you know you get you get one special,

(01:13:22):
you know sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Yeah, but John mulaney made his work really well for him,
you know, in those specials and then stuff in between.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah, Mulaney Mullaney does. He does a lot of repeating scenario,
uh you know, which it's an attention getter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
He'll he'll do this like Utah Comedy. Where did he
pull that from?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Uh, It's it's basically a louder version of Jerry Seinfeld.
Jerry Seinfeld's got a very casual way. You know. Yeah,
you ever made a girl online and she's really fifteen
and then you walk in there's Chris Oh my god,
you know, you're like, god, damn it. Jerry what because
don't forget he also dated a sixteen year old while
being thirty four.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Uh that's a real thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Anyway, it's another show at another time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Yeah, Barky working happen to find us if you were
looking for us.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
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which which includes iHeart, Spotify, Spreaker, Deezer, cast, Box, Pocket Casts, you, Oreo,
Jeri Jeorial, uh, Facebook, Google, YouTube, Amazon and Amazon stell.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, anything and anything, buddy.

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Yeah, so we're at Yeah, we're everywhere you can. You
can find our merchandise on our Facebook homepage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah, super big shout out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Ben Garcia, thank you very much for coming on the show,
taking your time out as well. Super important. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
That's all we have is time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
So thank you guys for having me as a blast
is fun. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I appreciate it. I appreciate you, sir us guys. Check
into us next week. Of course, another great guest planned out.
I am Tony Kaz of course do you ever love him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Picasso Brecke. Al right, guys, we are the pod Guys podcast.
Check us out every week Monday and Monday Night. Ten
fifteen Eastern Standard time. We'll catch you soon. Have a
great night. Bye.