thepodguyzpodcast with writer karen goeller

Karen Goeller joins us on The Podguyz Podcast. The multi faceted writer joins us on the show to talk about her new book called missys voice. tune in listen and enjoy

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, yeah, yeah, we do the buttons, We do the thing. Hello,
everybody in live Land. We are the fight. There you go.
We're the podcast podcast, bringing it to you live as
we do every Monday, ten fifteen Eastern Standard time, A
little bit early, tiny bit. I'm Tony Kass Kevin. Here,

(00:24):
of course we have the ever love and pea cost
so fresh from a stent in the NASCAR land of
Pocono this past weekend. The drawer of the room brooms,
the exhaust of exhaustion, exhaustion. There you go, yeah, and
the uh, the epicurean delight of the whiteboard, les Marque

(00:49):
and Sparky.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
There with the whiteboard, he says, Oh, he says, I
take left turns and go very fast. Of course, now,
he says, Hi sparking says high there in the big whiteboard.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
How everyone thought that I was there with you guys,
because you tagged me. And by the way, I was
the only one commented on in the pictures, like hey, Kevin,
make sure you wear your sun block like I am
not even I'm not there, and you guys are literally
the only ones in the picture.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
So Karen just to give you a little heads up
me and Sparky. Sparky had an extra ticket, so I
was like, Uh, he invited me with the fan to
uh to go down to uh the Poconos this weekend
in Pennsylvania and I'll watch the good old NASCAR races
and my first time, my first time ever.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
No, I've never been there, but I definitely would love
to really really cool experience the way that Sparky and
his family did it like top notch.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Thank you guys very much. I reallyppreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Tony, is your first NASCAR race on my first NASCAR event,
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
It was interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's a fun time at pok And now you used
to be more fun in the infield, you know before
everybody Okay, so every time in the infield there was
a statistic one to five people would blow their hands
off with an M eighty.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Okay. That's when you know it.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Was kind of fun. And you knew it was happening
every year because you would see the ambulance go by,
and you could, you know, turn on your your walkie
talkie and get the indurra Hi turn one. Crazy, says Sparky,
right there, No, that's who they are. Yeah, yeah, Turn
one crazies, and the the finish line nuts and the
we'd go in we'd go on the infield, not you know,

(02:43):
we were trying to be high class. We'd go infield partying,
just because that was the way I do it. So,
you know, oh my god, I've had so many I
want to say, brown on not blackout drunkness events go
on throughout the infield there poking a raceway.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
But Tony, I can't believe to see your first race there.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, I'm not a I'm not very much a NASCAR officionado,
so I don't watch it on TV.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You know. I had a.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Million questions for for spark in the family, and they
were very, very obliging as far as you know, answering
every particular question that I had. And I had a lot,
like I had a lot going on, so it was
a lot of Hey, what are they? What are they
doing over there? Hey? Why are why are they putting
that up?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
What? What the heck is that?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
You know?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Could like certain things? Well, Tony, could you answer me
this question? I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who is in our square right there? We have a
beautiful young lady right there, It says Karen Gohler. Right
is that that?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Am? I always mess up the last name.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
She has raised her way into the hearts of the
pod guys podcast, of course, with your hit book, Missy's voice.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Missy's voice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
What you can now find on Amazon?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
By the way, yes, I mean look it up just
so that way I know you're not lying to me
about finding it on Amazon.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Missy's voice right here, am I? It's all over?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
No, no, tell us a little bit about yourself of
course about.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Me or.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well right now, I am.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
We like to learn behind the book. You know, we'd
like to hear about the book as well, but we
like to hear behind the book.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
So I am still coaching gymnastics. I've been coaching for
since nineteen seventy eight. Basically, wow, I am. I'm also
a CSCs. That's a certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist. I
think sports science. That's what we do. Besides that, I'm
a writer. I have twenty published books, lots of articles,

(04:57):
and a few film scripts. And this book is actually
going to be a film pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Now have you written it for film?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
A film adaptation?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Actually?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I wrote the It's interesting because I was listening to
the radio. Somebody on the radio said something that triggered
a childhood memory, and I said to myself, well, that
would be a cool short film. So then I wrote
it as a short film. And then I realized, oh,
I could publish a book so much faster than I
can produce a film.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
So I did that, publish the book.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
And then I showed the short film script to some
producers and they said, this is too good of a story.
It should be a feature length film. So I did that.
It is a feature length film. And then I made
the book into hardcovers so that it would be accepted
into children's libraries and schools.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Here here's the overview of the book that reads like
this Google. It says Missy is being bullied by a
few girls at school. She is a singer, and the
bullies are jealous. The ongoing harassment stems from jealousy because
Missy has captured the attention of audiences at local performances.

(06:17):
And at local performances, including the school talent show, see
the lessons learned after Missy's performance. That's just a brief
description of the book right here. It's I'm gonna, We're
gonna share the the link right now. I'm gonna share
the link in the in the live just in case
our viewers want to take wanted to take a look

(06:41):
at the book themselves. Right now on Amazon, I think
it's going for fourteen ninety nine. So it's either you
buy Missy's book or one pack of cigarettes. The way
that the prices are right now, Missy's book is probably
the better off.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You can buy both. You know, no one's stopping you
from buying both.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Okay, just you know, light up a cigarette if you want,
then read the book Missy U Karen, you have Missy's
voice in audio book because some people they don't like
to read reading, you know, not there not their thing.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You have dyslexia.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And if you don't have it an audiobook, why would
you want me to read the audiobook version of it.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I don't have it in audio book because we're producing
the film.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Gotcha, gotcha? So the film paramount is picking it up.
Who's got who's got the rights?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right now? Me? Nice? Nice? Nice?

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Pretty much?

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, pretty much every film that you see that's not
like Disney a paramount or is an indie film? Oh yeah, yeah,
I still have the rights. I hired a professional production
company to do the project, and I'm on the phone
with them all the time and we're moving forward.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Things are moving pretty fast at this point.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
So we should be posting some uh thing on social
media and stuff like that about the progress of this
project pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Very cool.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Did you did you get down the casting yet or
is just the the book? Is the script so far?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well?

Speaker 5 (08:12):
No, the script is done, you know, a long time ago.
It actually won awards. We're actually doing casting right now.
We'll be doing casting through you know, professional casting websites
and casting companies and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Nice. Nice.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The casting is one of, if not the toughest things
to get down. If you get one person wrong, exkews
the whole production. And you know, I've been a part
of independent movies as far as acting goes some assistant
directing parts as well, and if you if one dynamic

(08:50):
is a fail through, then it's it just messes everything up.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
And then the worst part of that not just pretty faces.
We're multi functional, multi now.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I'm pretty confident in how we're going about casting because
this production company is very experienced and successful and the
casting people that they use, besides, you know, the director's
decision and my decision, and you know, us discussing it.
The casting people are very professional as well, so I'm
sure we'll be fine with that.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah. Yeah, And how long has this been going on
so far?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
About a while.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
I actually wrote the script, finished it in twenty twenty,
and copyrighted it back then and registered it with the
Writer's Guild.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Back then, I.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Thought I had financing a couple of times, and it
ended up falling through a couple of people.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Now they just flat out lied. You know.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Other people thought they could get financing and they just
realized they couldn't. Stuff like that. So it's finally happening
pretty soon. The financing is, you know, ready for us
to move to the next step, and that's really exciting.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So then the next route in your career as far
as just making sure that you're doing acting or not acting,
but writing, directing, TV stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
I'm not planning on directing.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
I like I said, I have this production company and
a really great director under him, just the writer and
one of the producers, and I.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Will I was gonna say, you have to get a
credit in there.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'll get.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Credit for sure, but I may be taking one of
the roles as.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, just as a as like a stan Lee kind
of Oh, by the way, you know, there's the writer
and producer right there, sort of like easter egg situation.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now Missy's voice would be what's that a.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Legit role, not like a not a cameo.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
No, not a cameo.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Okay, so more like an easter egg, like so you
know you're you're already in the in the movie. And
then people would say, like, by the way, the person
who plays her also is the person who wrote the book,
right sort of thing. So Missy's voice would that be
PG PG thirteen.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Is this rated R? Are we going that far with it?

Speaker 5 (11:26):
No, it's it's a children's children and family. Yeah, it's
really targeting to like preteens and teens, family, that type
of audience. It's a lot of life lessons. I didn't
plan it out that way, but after I reread the
script and after it won a bunch of awards, like

(11:48):
I'd say, about a year or two later, people started
telling me about all the life lessons that that could
be learned through watching this movie. So I thought that
was a great extra, you know benefit, which I didn't
really plan it just happened that way.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, you do have two reviews on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
They for four and a half stars out of five
on the two reviews. Okay, so do you want to
know who the four and a half star person or
the four star person is first?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, so we're gonna I love reading reviews on Amazon.
Tony knows how much I love reading reviews. Right now,
for some odd reason, Amazon wanted to uh, who cares?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Amazon? Who cares?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Amazon's like, hey, by the way, we signed you out.
That's cool, right, Like why why did you do this?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Ball it out? You know, like it's like they're fucking
boomer dad. So I'll read.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Let me see here one okay, one written review right here,
somebody gave a four star review without writing, eniting cowards. Cowards,
I say, if I'm giving, I don't give one star
reviews because they get ignored. I give a two star
by I give a one star written if I don't
like it, and.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Then I give a five star either.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I normally give a four star, but I give a
five star writing sort of thing style.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
This five star five star reviews are.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
For the most part, robots, but this person is called
Amazon customer.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, I don't know if it's a robot. It doesn't
feel like it should be a robot, though it says
very timely topic. This was a great story and touches
on a topic that everyone needs to recognize and understand.
Well done.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
One person found that helpful, and I guess the book
is teaching enough life lessons to the point where you know,
one person equals a thousand when you when you really
do the heartfelt math on it.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Because somebody else can feel that way but not write
it at all, sort of have you ever heard that
kind of marketing math before?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, that's true. That goes with a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's tough.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's tough to sit down and actually, you know, write
a book let alone, have ghostwriter?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Did you write this yourself?

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Though?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh yeah, no, I won't let anyone else write or
anything for me.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Illustrations by John Andrew Rodney. Who's Andrew Rodney.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
He's another actor that I know from the film industry,
but he's also an artist and he's very easy to
work with.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's why I asked him to take on this project.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Nice Now the illustration is not going to put it
up the screen for our viewing audience right here, just
as a little you know, it's a it looks like
it's a little girl singing to a crowd.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Is that is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
That is accurate.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's the hardcover. The softcover version is the original version.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Nice paper.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Is the book a play on your own life or
is it just something that you you would aspire to
want to make over certain years.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
No, it did trigger a childhood memory. I was bullied,
but I was not a singer, so there a are
some similarities, but it's not really my life.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
And the similarities are I.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Was bullied in grammar school and then again in high school.
There's one scene in the feature length film that happens
exactly the way it happened when I was in high school, and.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
That's about it.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
I mean, some of the relationships are a little bit similar,
but they're not really exactly similar.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
So it's you know, I think a lot of people can.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Relate to this story though, or to the characters, so
it's not really like, it's not my life, but it
was inspired by my experiences.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh, Sparky's got something there on the big board too,
because he's kind of an artist himself. Okay, like you know,
nothing again, nothing an offense against Andrew. You know, we're
sure he's a he's an amazing artist in that. But
Sparky has got his Sparky one of the classes on
you're going to want to say this, Sparky flipped that
big board around. We'll see what's going on here. Missy's

(15:59):
voice starring Nikola Cage is Missy. I can do this part.
I did everything else. So Nicholas Cage is going to
be playing Missy. I guess if that is the gonna
play every part, that's the idea. Yeah, yeah, Nicholas. Yeah,
he's gonna pull a the Room remember the Room.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
With a yeah, oh yeah, rotten tomato tomato version of it.
So I see that.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm gonna bring this up because it's a part of
your biography that makes up that kind of makes you
stand out here.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Of course. Limb fiedema is that a thing?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
That is a thing?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, that is a thing.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Wrote a book on that too.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah yeah, but what is my life?

Speaker 7 (16:42):
So?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
What is lymphima?

Speaker 4 (16:45):
So? Lymphidema is swelling, usually in a limb, like a
leg or an arm.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Sometimes somebody is born with it, other times it's a
result of a cancer surgery, like in my case. Uh,
it's when the lymph nodes are not working or they
get damaged or they get removed. And the lymph nodes
are actually filters in our body. They filter out protein.
So if there are no filters near that limb, then

(17:11):
the fluid builds up in the limb. So you basically
have to wear compression and elevate the limb pretty much
all the time. So I'm very good at maintaining it.
It took me about a year after the surgery to
get my leg to look almost normal, but I maintain
it really well. I'm very disciplined. So when I'm home,

(17:32):
if I don't have compression socks on, I actually elevate
my leg about twenty hours a day.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh wow.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, Like normally, if I'm sitting at my desk, I'm
not sitting up straight like this. I normally have my
legs up on my desk and I you know, pull
my laptop closer to me and stuff like that. Or
if I'm watching TV, my legs are elevated and stuff
like that. So when I'm home, I literally do have to,
you know, still take care of it. But when I'm
out coaching at the gym and stuff. I still wear

(18:01):
compression stockings.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Now, is it kind of like not to say, like
very similar to gout?

Speaker 4 (18:09):
I don't know, you don't know. I don't have a doubt.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, yeah, Now how many people does that affect in
the world. That sounds very rare, and that might be.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
You know, it's not as rare as you think.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
It's weird because a lot of doctors do not know
very much about lymphidema at all. More physical therapists seem
to be familiar with it. Oncologists which are doctors that
treat cancer, and they know all about lymphiedema, But the
regular medical doctors, the primary care physicians, they don't seem
to know very much about it.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It goes to show you people never go to a doctor,
go to a physical therapist.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Go to a physical therapist, go to a go to
an oncologist, you know, they know a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
To doctor Owls or at least a guy who plays
someone who someone who specializes in sports medicine.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean what I had the surgery in nineteen
ninety one, like almost nobody ever heard of it. But
now I guess with social media and the internet. More
people know about more things, so it is more well known.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I actually did a.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
I guess a lecture on lymphiedema and on this book
in a library, and after the fact, a couple of
people came up to me and they said they have
the same thing. So it's more common than people realize.
But it's not talked about as much as say heart
disease or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I still think it's very admirable for you to write
a book about it, so that way, if somebody is
afflicted by the by the disease, they can look it
up and find your book and maybe it brings them
some help or at least camaraderie as some you know,

(20:00):
relatability where you can see the picture of yourself you're
still you know, you still look healthy, happy on the cover,
and uh, you know, it might make them think that
it's not the end that they could get through, uh
through something that you're also that you're also going through
uh currently too. It's it's never a bad idea. People

(20:20):
out there, they sometimes suffer in silence, and it's that
and that's that's a tough way to live every day
because then you know, you kind of uh, you're kind
of just waiting, uh, waiting for the for the end
of your for your for your life to end that way.
But uh, you know, through uh reading your book or

(20:41):
even going to uh you know, finding other people with afflictions,
like a group therapy idea isn't a bad idea until
it kind of until it kind of is. I've been
to AA meetings before, and my god, these people. They
some AA meetings, I'm sure that they do it every
step of the way or whatever, but some of the
meetings are like, all right, guys, let's go to the bar.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It's like, what do you guys? Yeah, exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
We're yeah, yeah, we're ye. It's not that it's all.
Group therapy is not universally the same. So you got
to try it out, and especially if you're really uh
highly suggested to buy the book, right, Just buy the book.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Right, Karen, exactly, buy the book. This is it, this
is it?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
And you would you you're already you wrote twenty books,
you said.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I did, But I don't have much money here with me.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Why not you should buy We have a list of them, Karen.
For for young authors.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I'm sure you do have a little bit of advice
when it comes to marketing, and uh, I mean what
would that advice be?

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Advice for marketing or writing?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I would say both, but more for the marketing part,
because if somebody can write well, you know, enough to
the point where they can and reading their own writing
back through three chapters, they're gonna they're gonna do it anyways,
you know, like still, you know, even if someone can't
write very well, they're gonna do it anyways or whatever.

(22:12):
But the marketing part is wherek it's really Connie. You know,
the con artists come out of the dens.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
They'll say, oh, you know, you know, pyramid schemes, will, will,
will come out of nowhere, and they'll say, why don't
you be your best customer?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
And you're like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That doesn't sounds of course I'm already my best customer.
I'm writing the goddamn thing, you know, So you'll have
those people come out. And but besides those people, you've
already been through twenty different versions and not just versions,
but you have enough experience built up where you know

(22:53):
who the con artists are and who are not. So
any advice for young authors when they're trying to sell
their book.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
I get emails almost every day from people telling me
that they can market my book on social media or
there are websites that are set up just for I
guess these scammers to advertise books. I mean once in
a while. I mean I did do one of them,

(23:24):
and where they would post your book link on their
Twitter account like every day or something for a certain
amount of time. But I only did it once because
it didn't translate into sales, so I don't know who
The other people that were following them on Twitter were
probably other authors that paid them that same amount of
money just to see their own you know, link being posted,

(23:47):
and that's why I follow them. So, I mean, most
people will only do something like that once and if
they see it's not working, then they won't continue. Social
media is pretty good, but the best marketing is actually
getting on podcasts like this years ago. I used to
do a lot of radio interviews. Before that, I've done

(24:08):
TV interviews, so that's the best marketing TV radio podcasts
in person stuff like that. Book signings are pretty good,
but it's usually only a.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Handful of people. They're not lined up around the.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Corner for books that don't affect huge markets.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
No, you're that's why we're very much a purveyor of
not to say like indie indie class writers, directors, uh,
you know, entertainers of of all genres, to be honest,
and we've uh, we've done thousands, uh literally thousands of
interviews with with entertainers all across the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But you know, I mean, what what would you call
your pinnacle uh to date as far as what is
the major thing that you've done uh in your life?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
The major Oh that's yeah, tough question.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
No, big question.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Big question was and it's okay, it's okay if you
say this show, because that's fine.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know that's not perfectly fine, Tony. I was actually
gonna how was that actually gonna.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Ask her what was your worst marketing experience ever that
you did?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
And you have, oh my god, so much regret. If
you had a time machine to go back and shake
yourself and not to do again this show, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
I actually do have a worse It was a little
bit over a year ago some woman who claimed to
help people get projects off the ground and out there
in the world, like inventions and stuff like that, claimed
that she would introduce me to investors So I took
a table at her event, and it was like supposed

(25:48):
to be a lunch event, and there were twenty vendors there,
including myself, I think about twenty, and it was a
really expensive lunch expensive for people to get in there with.
The funny thing thing is, or the sad thing is,
none of the vendors sold anything. The people that attended
her event didn't even look at the vendors. Yeah, this

(26:10):
woman went around. It was expensive because I bought a
lot of books to have on, you know, with me
at the table.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I paid a lot of money for that table.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
And the reason I did that was because she promised
she would introduce me to investors. But she didn't say
more than two words to me or any other vendor
the whole you know time that we were all there
for their lunch and their hotel banquet.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
Hole.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
She was probably using the vendors as props for her speeches.
I would assume the very and then the vendors are
secretly paying for the back end costs for the you know,
the whole the whole event and those those it's not

(27:01):
directly a scam, okay, Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Kind of like a hotel pyramid scheme.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
It is, it is, well, it's a those are like
seminary events and stuff like, you know, you get you
got a very good salesperson who who pitches the idea.
Everything feels like it's on the up and up because
it is, but they're not really there to feature you.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You they're using you to feature.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Themselves, and it's a it's it's a tough it's a
tough scenario when you know that, Hey, they'll say stuff
like you get what you pay for, so that's why
it's so expensive. It's like, yeah, I could also pay
for dog shit and a lot of money for it,
and that's what I'm getting too.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's just the price tag doesn't always the price tag
doesn't always fit the uh the you know, the the
quality sort of thing. We don't charge anybody to come
on the show, and we don't pay anybody to come
on on the pod guyst podcast, but we still promoted
in the biggest way because this is our week sort
of thing and this is this is what we do,

(28:05):
this is what we love to do. And as soon
as I looked up your hat that you hate things now, Tony,
Tony's just daydreaming of NASCAR and thinking of himself right now,
he went to that yeah there comes a good one, the.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, it's it gets it gets really crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I've been doing a stand up comedy, acting and entertaining
for uh jeez, about close about twenty years, twenty years total.
And you see a lot of scammers roll by and
you kind of know who they are. After a while,
you can kind of pick up the mannerisms. But you know,
the the old saying is say yes to everything until

(28:53):
until you should say no, you know, because there's a
there's always a point to say no to, or you know,
you'll fall for anything. Sparky's got something on the big board.
The more importantly breaking news Sparky is something that what
they ran? Or no again, who needs books?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I got Pyramids?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
There's the one guy there, he's just got just light.
He's got a Pyramids game. And then well, I'm guessing,
is that Karen there with the books or now Sparky
there you go. Spark doesn't really say what's.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
That I was? I was asking to Sparky not talk.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
He doesn't really.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
He's our he's our investoral drawer. Talk from time to time,
but not often.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
He's actually seen crimes before, and the police are like,
what happened here? And he's got his whiteboard with him,
you know, showing them and you know, they're like, why
just speak up, son, And uh, you know, we've had
to bail Sparky out of some situations.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
It's he's a little bit on a spectrum. He's a
tiny bit.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
There are there are so many videos out there where
you know, they're trying to both promote autism and then
it feels like some people are taking it to a
romantic level and and uh, you know, I don't know.
I see them on TikTok every now and then, and
I'm just like, there was this one. It was this uh,

(30:27):
this couple and the guy's over there talking about how
it is dating a woman who is neuro divergent. Right,
So he's got a cell phone out doing his thing,
and she's at a baseball game with him, and she says, oh,
things are just really loud right now.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Can we can we just go? Can we just go? Now?
She kind of looks normal like the video you see
that video?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right, Yeah, So he's he's over there going He's like
he's like, well, he's like, but Otani's coming up to hit,
and she's like, I know, but he maybe he hits
a home run. Things are just gonna get really loud
and all sort to all sorts of stuff, and uh,
you know this, you know, to the outside, to the
naked eye, she's just looking like a pain in the ass,
you know.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
But he's calling it neuro divergent.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So yeah, so I'm thinking to myself, hold on, now,
have I only been dating women that are neuro divergent?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Have I just been dating about you have loistic women?
You know, just this would explain the crying fits and
the irrational thoughts, and you know, whenever I'm like, you know,
it's probably me, not you, and she's like, of course
it is that. I'm like secretly knowing, like, no, it's
not no, it's all you.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well you're supposed to say, oh no, but you know what,
that was probably her autism, you know, just not taking
responsibility for herself and all that nice crap for your.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Wife to come in and beat you with a fish.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Nah, she's gonna take out the She got the bread roller.
Now I got her a plastic one because the wooden
one might hurt you been.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
We've been making We went down to that. My wife
is from the Philippines originally. She is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
She is smart with going down.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
The whole house smells like squid right now because uh yeah,
now the delicious taste of squid is all there. But
my god, it has it has that very seafun one
hundred degree day we got dude, I went to Walmart.
We have an air conditioner here and you know, it's pumping.
It's it's doing a great job for the living room.

(32:26):
But for the kitchen, no, not a chance. There's no
there's no shot in hell. You know it's it's it's
a it's tough, so it felt. It kind of smells
like a like a Filipino fish market in here. We
do have our little beautiful daughter right now. She's about
two months old. Karen, Do you have any kids or now?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
No, I don't have any kids. I've got a dog.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
What kind of dog?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Greyhound?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Great? Oh my god, beautiful, Oh my god. You don't
raise them though, right, No, she was.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
A racer though nice like she's sleeping on the floor
of the here.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I always ask people that, like even if you said pitt, well,
I'd be like, you don't fight them though, do you?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Like greyhounds were bred to race though, like that's why
they had the sleek designed to them. There is such
a such a history behind the dog, not like not
a terrible history like the Dalmatian. Have you ever heard
about the history of the Dalmatian? Or no, no, I

(33:23):
guess some one of the duchesses or whatever of England.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
She wanted a dog, but to have polka dots, right,
and you.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Got to breed a lot of dogs to do that
idea quickly too uh to the point, so it for
I don't want to get too rated, are but generations
of dogs were wiped out the phase of the Earth
to create.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
The Dalmatian for this duchess.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And and then when she got the final results of
the the Dalmatian, she says, oh, well, I don't know,
that's not what I expected. The character Kruella de Ville
was based on the don this duchess, I forget her
exact name, but it was off of England. Yeah, Sparky,
that's that's true. But yeah, the and Disney kind of

(34:15):
took that idea and twisted it where they're like, what
have we seen in cartoons before you know what. You're
giving your first idea, Karen, and then you give it
to rewriters I'll call them because they're not the real writers,
but they are the rewriters of the situation. They're not
really editors because they're just coming up with playing old,
brand new ideas out there. So they took that and

(34:38):
they said, maybe she wants the Dalmatians for our coat.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
You remember that?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Do you remember the storyline for one hundred and one Dulmatians?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
What was the last movie you saw?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh my god, good question.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
The last movie I saw the theater was the more
recent Top Gun.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Okay, now that was watchable. Yeah, I don't know good,
but it was was watchable.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Tom Cruise makes a watchable remake of uh, you know,
sequel to uh to the movie Top Gun. I was
I was watching that in a waiting room the one time,
and I'm I'm like, huh, fifteen minutes in totally watchable.
The plot point the funniest thing that I've been watching.
You remember the movie Cocktails Fight with Tom Cruise?

Speaker 4 (35:33):
No, I didn't see.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Tom Cruise plays a bartender, right, but the way he
gets into bartending into the Big City is uh. He
gets denied by every interviewer possible, and he ends up
walking into like this TGI Friday's place and this guy
who call again.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
He says, he's alright, and what do you know about
bartender TGI Fridays? It can't you know?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
The rewatch on it is just uh, just too holes
where they really dedicated an hour and a half to
two drunk guys basically setting one ends up setting up
a bar down in Jamaica, getting a divorce, and then
cheating on his then girlfriend while while then only realizing,
oh no, he really does love her because he was

(36:17):
told that she was pregnant and he's like, oh my god,
I have to do something now. It's like one of
those old school movies where every redeeming factor of the
main character at the time feels like he's learning something,
but on the rewatch of today you realize he's just
a jerk.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
No redeeming quality. Don't you look like you got something there?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And the gun No, well, I was just because you're
not very much a you know, a videographer. You know,
you're not into movies and.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Are you more of a reader?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
No, it's just that I can't sit. Well, let me
back up. When I owned my gym, I worked eighty
hours a week. There's no time time to watch a movie.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh geez.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah, so most of my adult a lot of my
adult life, I just didn't haven't had time to watch movies.
But also if I'm watching TV, I'm not actually watching it.
I'm on my laptop or doing something. I mean, I
spent the past twenty years, twenty five years writing books too,

(37:22):
So it's kind of like I don't really have time
to watch movies. And to go to a movie on
a date is not a common thing anymore. Usually it's
more like dinner or you know, drinks. I don't even drink,
but drinks or something like that. Even the beach stuff
like that. It's just not a common thing to do anymore.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That's fair, Karen, you are just a workaholic. There. I
love it. I love it. I thank my mom.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I think the I think the one interesting thing
is that you say to yourself, why would I want
to watch anybody else's movie when I can write my own?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Kind of Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
The way I feel about when when somebody says, hey, keV,
you want to go to a comedy show. I'm like,
I'm not I'm not being paid for this one. I
totally get where you're coming from. Sparky is coming from
the world, by the way, has tried many a podcast,
but never this long.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Ah what do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Podcasts? But you haven't you've never gone this long like
on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh no, no, no, the we've we've We've done other podcasts, Tony,
you and I.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, the uh we're
a team where we're a unit.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
The other podcasts they pop up, they they leave real quick.
You don't find too many people as dedicated there as Tony.
So I said to myself, if I'm going to do anything,
it's gonna be with somebody who is dead ass serious
and knowing what they want to do and having a
vision of what they want to do, and then sharing
that vision and trying to retool it in such a

(38:57):
way where we can make it entertaining. And that's where
me and Tony really you know, hit the hit the
ground running sort of thing. Sparky's got something on the
big board though even more is it something about Israel? Sparky,
my god, my blind my blind date on Friday? Are
you Sparky?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Do you like my coat? No? I'm Tony Katz. What's
going on there, Sparky?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Explain yourself because there's a lot of there's a lot
of stuff going on there. Sparky, what what is happening?
He's got himself on mute?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I know that he does.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, you are a mute buddy.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
It's interesting you say that because a podcast I was
supposed to be on last week was canceled at the
last minute.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Okay, so, Sparky, what is what's what's that picture really about?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
My blind date with Corolla Deville?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Okay, there you go. There you go.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
The woman who made a jacket out of dogs? Because
that's it is and that was a kid's movie. That
was Disney making a kid's movie.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Your movie is more kid friend or your movie your
book made into a movie is more kid friendly than
some fucking lady wanted to make dog coats and shit.
You know, it's just it's Disney. Disney remade snow White, right.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And there's this internet conspiracy theory that says whenever a
whenever a snow White is out there and bombs we
are going to get into a conflict in the Middle East.
So it happened at the Oscars around nineteen ninety three
where they had a woman play snow White. By the way,
that was the same desert storm time.

Speaker 8 (40:48):
Three.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's going around though, like they're connecting the dots, and
I'm like, you know, I normally just say, like these
conspiracy theorist are out of their minds. But whenever they
push a snow White care out there and that's no
white character, bombs like hell, like this last snow White
did I'm Tony.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I watched the movie. My god, why did I do
that to myself? It was it was so bad? Sorry?
Who dropped the ball on this? Karen?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You have written twenty books. You have read through your
twenty books over and over and over. Yeah, it is
tough to get something where you're like, okay, I can't
put that you probably I bet you wrote fifty books
and you only put twenty out there as quality control
in my opinion, But I don't know how many books
have you written though, Karen, where you said were the

(41:35):
ones weren't released?

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I actually the very first book I wrote was in
nineteen ninety seven and I was one hundred pages into it.
That was when AOL was just coming, you know, becoming popular. Yeah,
I had problems with my computer. The AOL tech person
had me to lead a bunch of things. The computer
crashed and I lost the book.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I never went oh no, yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
So yeah, and I still had an idea in my
mind and and some of the notes, but I never
actually went back to that project.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
So I guess i'd twenty one.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I said thanks, You said thanks to your mother. You're
a workaholic, and you elaborate on that.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Well, my mother worked my whole life, and she always
loved her work, So I guess she led by example.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
What was her work was a fiver.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
She was a retail manager, so she was always working,
but she loved it. Yeah, and she worked all the
way up until COVID, until the shutdown, and she was
well into her eighties. And she would not have retired
if it wasn't for everything being closed down.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I think you get into a certain part in retail,
and now every one of us has worked in a
retail environment. You know where you're you're one.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
On one with the with the public, and you don't
under and not to.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Say people don't understand.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
But people don't understand how big of an asshole people
are until you get to a one on one conversation
or it's like somebody gets on realistic goals or unrealistic
heightened activity where they're just like, you.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Couldn't do this, dude, I am just I am just
a cog in the machine. Oh yeah, and the machine
is messed up. It kind of is what it.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Is, Tony.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
You know, it's kind of where they have remember that
now it's I don't know if it's gonna get picked
up anywhere, but there's that morning show. It's called Good
Morning America. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Karen was on that show.
But it's being dropped. They're saying see you later. They're
they're moving the show to somebody else. So, Karen, when
were you on Good Morning America?

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Nineties?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
This is before now?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
This is this is hilarious because Karen was on Good
Morning America during the time of probably everyone that was
on that show was in some kind of weird sex
cult going on, except for yourself obviously.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah not me, yeah no, no, not you, but the
people interviewing you. They She's like, but if I had the.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
History of the Today Show and the history of Good
Morning America mirror each other as far as sexual misconduct
on the sect sort of thing. So everyone you were
talking to where they were like, hey, Karen, this is
not a DA DA and they seem very professional. They're
doing some terrible things. Two each everybody. Yeah, yeah, So

(44:46):
they came.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
To my gym.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
I had like four or five TV stations come down
to my gym in the nineteen nineties, and that was
one of them.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
And what did you choose Good Morning America or did
they It was you.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
I sent press releases out to all of the stations
and they called me and came down. And that's a
lot of kids signed up after seeing the segments on TV.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
You were in your gymnastics of course repertoire. Have you
coached anyone super famous?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I've coached college gymnasts that gymnasts know, but they're not super.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Karen, this is crazy. You're Karen. This is crazy. You
say I'll watch movies. Why would I do that? Take
a date out to the movie. Dude, you were in
Spider Man, Teenage Mutant, Ninja, Turtles Run All Night. What
you're already in these things? Is it? Did they like
look around for people that weren't already watching a movie.

(45:55):
They said, hey, you want to be in the background
of this.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
No, I did those when I first started in the
film industry. I did actually more TV work than film works.
For three seasons. You were what on billions for three seasons?
Wow for two seasons? And Good Wife? I was on
that one a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
See, I think that's I think that. I think The
Good Wife had some very good episodes. But the title
of the show is terrible, Like they ran out of
you know, They're like, what do we call this good
show about a wife? They're like, I don't know, man,
we got five minutes until lunch though. Cool The Good
Wife fucking write that down and we're, you know done.
It felt like an early punch clock situation.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
So three seasons of I once played a wife who
hired someone to kill my husband.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
That was a cool rule.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Is that what happened to your husband? Who's that?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
No? But there were days back then that I wish.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
People people in Pennsylvania. There was four people in a
row these last four weeks have been caught by state
police in a sting operation to try to and mainly
these sting operations are kind of to solicit a crime. Okay,
the state policemen.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Are kind of like putting themselves out there as hitmen,
and they're yeah, they're always they're finding one for one
spouse at a time, two men and two women. Two
men were trying to kill their wives and two women
were trying to kill their husbands. Obviously all separate cases,
but the uh, yeah, that's a real thing. People are
trying to kill their spouses. Off and whatever happened to Vood.

(47:35):
Can't you just cast a nable spell on somebody that
you really hate, or get like one of those little
stocking things, or just pretend like they're dead to you
and you just move on with the situation. Sparky's got
something on the big board right there for our viewing audience,
for our non viewing audience. And you know, if you're
handicapped in such a way that you can't see too much,
I'll explain the picture.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Tony can explain the picture. Sparky flipped that beautiful big
board around.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
We're gonna give a backstory first, though, Kevin, Oh great good,
we're ready.

Speaker 9 (48:05):
We're actually gonna make Missy's voice into a more mature movie.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Oh, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah right, you will see her grow up.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Now, let me just say that this is a reimagining
missus voice the horror movie.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Do not use your voice, Missy.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I guess Missy's voice is now readaptation of man.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Scream Yeah, yeah, well scream three, scream loud? Yeah. Who
was that horror movie? Go again?

Speaker 9 (48:43):
Black Bolt, black.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Bolt, the Marvel character. Right, yeah, yeah, See that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
What I feel like it's gonna happen in Iran right now.
After they blew up all the nuclear crap of the mountain.
I feel like a mountain Godzilla thing is gonna come
on and be like like shit, never mind, there was
some kind of you know, DNA entity pool thing going on.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Now the mountains alive? Fuck? What would I what? And
I what?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
What would an Iranian lizard look like?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I don't mardet.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
That is a picture for you to draw.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh God, Iranian Godzilla, you know it? Just oh God,
that is the picture.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
More recently, Karen, of course, you've written to two film scripts,
one short, one comedy short, and one feature link drama.

Speaker 9 (49:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
The comedy Escape Artist has been in several film festivals.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Why don't you talk about that.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Oh, that was a fun one.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
I actually that's kind of funny because the two main characters.
I actually had a dream about those two characters. Then
I woke up and I typed up that script, and
it was two artists who were using graffiti to attract
a police officer to his birthday party.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
So originally I had the.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Artists doing graffiti throughout the neighborhood and basically the police
officer was going from one location to the other and
the last location would be where his birthday party was.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
But then we only really had one location when we
shot it.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
We did it in Queens and they kept drawing him
back to the same location and then they had you know,
the little birthday celebration.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
But it came out nice. I did it black and white,
and it was mostly.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
A little bit of a setting, right, a wet setting air.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Setting, I guess, black and.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
White featurette uh, not a lot of like more, not
a lot of dialogue but more.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Only actually sposed to be completely silent, but for some reason,
the director allowed one one scream in there. He allowed
the police officer to yell out hey when he was
you know, running to catch the two graffiti artists again.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
But it came out really nice. It was in the
Garden State Film Festival, and I love that film festival.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
And it was in like I did a whole year
tour just for that one little short film, that little
five and a half minute short film.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I believe got some of the actors that were in
it some more work as a result.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Now now they have shorter films now, Karen, they have
shorter films out there.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
They're TikTok shorts.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Before TikTok, they were what were those vines, right, Tony,
They were vines before it was TikTok, and before vines
were the short film festivals. The police officers billing to
press on his birthday until a few neighborhood artists prick
him into attending his birthday celebration. This is the funniest
part of the page, though, Okay, and I have to
tell you and it just it is. The Facebook page

(52:02):
was hacked. We are working to restore. Please try again
in a few weeks. That's comical in itself right there.
But you are all over this thing. Diane Hannon, the
associate producer. Lindsay Farley is a cinematographer, which is a
cinematographer to a degree is photographer with video intentions as well.
Corrector now Yeah, Red Dragon Creative Awards Best Debut Director

(52:27):
of September twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Sometimes it's these short films where you you don't need
everybody's hour or forty five minutes to tell a really funny,
to the point kind of story. And if you wanted
to take the if you wanted to compress old TV shows,
if you're the twilight Zone, that's what it has, like

(52:51):
a little bit of a feel of with that black
and white kind of zone, kind of artsy. But if
you can press it down to like a five to
what is it? How long was it? Five minutes and forty.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Five a second?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah, five and a half minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Five and a half minutes. Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
That still takes a lot of talent to do that,
because you tell a story in five and a half minutes.
And you know, it's real tricky too, because in people's heads,
there's very few closure points. After an hour, they leave it,
they leave it open. You know, She's there's sequels to
movies that can't get to the point. You got to
your point in this movie so quickly that they were

(53:26):
like it's astonishing sometimes. Now, don't get me wrong, there
are just the opposite versions of short stories or short
movies where they want to have that sequel, and in
my opinion, that's a cheat code where you know you're
not really doing what you're meant to do. You are,
you're doing the opposite of what you're meant to do,
and you're using it as a marketing gimmick from that point,
but this has no sequel, correct, right.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
I have written other short scripts, but I'm so focused
on Missy's voice right now that those scripts are just
sitting in my laptoppers creepers.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean, uh so, five years in the making, Missy's
voice has been I think spark He's got something on
the big board. But the anticipation for uh so, we
got Missy's voice there in the comments, in the comments,
I'm gonna put this this also Escape Artist short film
and putting this one in the comments too, just because
some people, some of our audience, they do really we

(54:25):
had drew around here before.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
He was a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Uh They do really enjoy short short films and it's
something it's something everybody should really check out, because.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
That's one thing you could binge on. You can watch
ten movies.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
In an hour and half of them and half of
them be good, half of them be bad. But at
least he didn't waste an hour on one thing that
might be bad sort of thing. So it's a for
people for this new generation. They're this new generation. These
kids aren't really familiar with with the format too much.
They think that it's long movie. They think it's Disney.

(54:58):
They think that Disney US or whatever you know streaming.
They're they're born into a whole new world full of
you know, either thirty second TikTok clip or an hour
and a half and then a sequel from that old
Marvel movie. There is no one between for them to
actually go through. But that's in the comments right there,
Sparky on the big board. Now slip it around, O

(55:23):
God run it is Amazilia because we can't say God.
And that is, by the way, that is not depicting
you know who. The Yeah, it is not at all.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And as you can see the three four little guys
running away from him after the the US bombing in Iran.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Now no people were hurt in Iran, just the mountains.
The mountains are turning.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
God extremely hurt.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
The clouds are green, No whorry run, you know, because
of the nuclear facilities kind of blown up.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Now, what it really did do over there is create
only two countries to supply electricity, France and Saudi Arabia
to a majority of the Middle East and parts of
Eastern Europe. Okay, Russia Arabia ar Russia used to be

(56:23):
in there. Qatar actually does do it, but on a
smaller scale. They do the overfilm sort of thing. So
when Saudi Arabia feels like they need to outsource what
they're already outsourcing anyways, they go through Qatar. And it's
kind of I think it was kind of strategic when
it comes down to it. I don't want to get
too much into politics, but when you think about coincidences,

(56:50):
Donald Trump was hanging out with Macron from France, he
went to Saudi Arabia several times Israel, and that trip
to cutter with a four hundred million dollar are plane
gifted to him, it's just a praise, you know. No,
that plane could be worth fucking two million dollars for
all I know.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
I don't know. I don't appraise planes, but it.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Feels a little suspicious that the same countries that are
to benefit from Iran not being not being a part
of the UH, the their own economic prospect to prosper
through through their electricity saleh Those guys were also visited
within the same year immediately too. Now the if the

(57:37):
old saying is that if you come to the White House,
you're gonna get yelled at, But if the White House
comes to you, we're gonna bomb who you don't like.
So we'll take we'll take notes real quick. South Africa
came to the White House, got yelled at. Canada came
to the White House. We're going to buy Canada like,
what do you what?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And uh, of course Ukraine came to the White House
where jad Band said the worst part of the Ukrainian
Wars you didn't say thank you, And yeah, that's probably
that's probably a bad a bad thing. To not constantly
be thanking for billions and billions of promisory dollars and
to constantly wear the same black you know shirt, wear

(58:17):
a stick on tie like a clip on tire or
something like that, you know o shirt. You know, we're
a bow tie or something weird, We're a hat, we're
a fa door, you know, you're walking around there like
a Simpsons cartoon character wearing the same damn things over
and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
He's an actor.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Gun, damn it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
He's showed me multiple hats.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, show me, you know, like, don't wear a gun.
Wear a gun around, you know, if you're if you're
really in the dust of it, be like, oh, I
just got done with war. Guys, we're gonna need some
more money.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I'll be like, ah, I'm here, I look like I'm
a hologram guy. You know, just back in the same
kind of crap uh scenario. So if you're invited to
the White House, be prepared to get yelled at. And
if the White House is coming to you whoever you
want them to bomb, they will. So that's I guess
there's a ceasefire going on right now, which is probably
the only not quite confirmed yet but not quite confirmed. Yeah,

(59:11):
I feel like it's one of those ceasefires where they
bring out a gun and they say who you know,
who in this froom doesn't want a ceasefire and.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
They're like me, all right, anybody else? You know, Like
they just go one after one after the other. Tony.
It's just uh, it's on that cartoonish level.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
It's just John Cena going like this all the time.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, yeah, he actually did have the phantom punch that
was that's gone viral right now.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
The a bunch of kids actually were enticing him.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Karen John Cena, very famous WWE wrestler, Karen, I know
she's probably already on the WWF or something or WWE.
He's like, yeah, you know, he was an okay guy,
but the phantom punch, he he didn't hit the thing
several times and then turned to the crowd and said,
I haven't hit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Something real in twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Because of the k fab of wrestling right now, which
is now wrestlers used to take themselves so seriously, and
there's something about that aspect where everybody knows the fight
is predetermined, but they're taking their character role so dead
on serious, so much of the point where they're willing

(01:00:28):
to destroy their body physically, brains, mentally to keep in
that character for so many years. That's a lot of
dedication there, but there's and then to just bulldoze over
that idea the way that some of these guys are
doing and by saying like oh, yeah, we know it's
not real. And we know it's it's a it's this,

(01:00:49):
and they're using back locker room terminal terminology that the
fans aren't supposed to know about. It's it's a discredit
in my opinion too. The guys who you know used
literal blood, sweat and tears to propel it to be
a billion dollar sports enterprise. I don't know how passionate

(01:01:12):
you get about Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Do you know who has ran themselves into an enterprise?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Is this a porn joke, Tony?

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
No, it's Karen. Karen has rolled her something doing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
She is her own enterprise right now? Like her?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Did you know standing? Did you know?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Did I know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
She is multi tiered, multifaceted by the way, Yeah, she's
She's got a lot of things under her belt. So
not only does she have you have a bachelor's in business? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
No, not in business, it's actually in history.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
In history. Okay, so a bachelor's in history, Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Did you know that Karen has a bachelor's in history?
I did not know you at that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But she is a She is a ballroom dancer. Yeah, nice,
nice ballroom dancer. Did you know that she is also
a songwriter?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I love that about you? Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Now, let's get let's get to the annoying question first.
How many people have asked you if you want to
be on Dancing with the Stars? Are had to have
when you bring up ballroom dancing?

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Nobody?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Let's keep it that way. Amazing. So, how many songs
have you written?

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
I only wrote one and it was it was during COVID.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Actually I was in love at the time. I thought
I was actually going to grow old with this guy.
But obviously that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Did he have a beard? Did he have a beard? Karen?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Are you single and ready to mingle?

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
I am single, so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Ready to mingle? What not?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Ready to mingle?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
It depends on who with Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
So I got up in the middle of the night
and when I was going back after using the bathroom,
I had like a songline pop into my head and
I was like, oh okay, and then I just kept
thinking of other lines and I was like, I better
write this down. And then in the morning I showed
him and he was a musician and I said, is

(01:03:13):
this like a song?

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Should I do something with this?

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
And he thought it was pretty cool, but you know,
he didn't like rush to try to produce it or
anything you know, or sing it or anything. So I
did actually copyright it back then, and then I forgot
all about it. I emailed it to myself, I copyrighted it,
I saved it on my laptop and then I came
across it like a month ago, and I said I

(01:03:37):
should do something with this, so I did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Is it able to be found on Spotify or did
you just.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
It's a lot of here nice on Spotify. iHeartRadio iTunes.
There's another one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
That does music that distributes music. But yeah, it's all
over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
And I actually I typed in the lyrics and I
put in the lyrics in a music making app, so
I didn't write the actual music. I wrote the lyrics,
but I created that using an app and then I
had it distributed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
That's outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Your career has been so very long, and this is
the biggest thing that you're looking forward to right now
is turning one of many books into a family friendly movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
That and this is just for anyone out there watching
and or Hallmark. By the way, hall No, nothing's perfect.
Everything's too good for Hallmark. It is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
It's just now Hallmark's gonna take what because Karen Karen's
reminds me of a person that has a lot of
grit to her writing, a lot of realism to the idea,
and Hallmark takes anything like that and shits all over
the idea and says, maybe, dude, the most homeless person
in a Hallmark movie looks like he's got all his

(01:05:06):
teeth in, just like a slight five o'clock shadow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
It just and there's too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Many good looking people in that movie you need. I
always tell my wife. I said, She's like, how do
you know what a good movie is? And I came
up with a formula.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
The more ugly people you see in a movie, you know,
if they if they passed the line of six and
a half out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
The better the writing, the better the casting, you need
some people that are not good looking to problem is
there are so many actors out there that got into
acting because they were so good looking.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
They were told you should be an actor by everyone
that is used to seeing these mainstream lifetarmer models. Oh
my god, you yeah, yeah, I thought there was more
to come with that former models and like, well, you
know what I mean, though, like the better the eye candy, Uh,
not necessarily the better the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
But yeah, physical expectation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
The idea was always we'll go for looks first and
then we'll train them how to act, instead of we'll
see if somebody knows how to act first, and then
it doesn't matter what they should look like in the movie,
because we're going to cast them on features of what
the characters should look like anyway, So we want to

(01:06:29):
make sure that they can act first. And then you know,
if the if the face isn't there, whatever, you know,
it's not a big deal. Maybe it's an ugly town,
maybe it's a nitty it's a gritty town. If you've
been to some small cities like Karen, where are you
living at currently.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Right now, I'm in New Jersey in Ocean County.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Perfect example, perfect example. You got some small town. You
got some knick knack towns in Jersey right there where
you get some lost and forgotten soul fases roaming around
and you know, with populations of like one hundred and
twenty three in these weird little knickknack towns. We have
them here in Pennsylvania as well. But those kind of
people watching the movies, they can't they know that they

(01:07:09):
can't relate to these kind of characters because they are
in such disbelief that these characters are even real that
it's it's almost deemed unwatchable for them. And you know,
it takes it takes a part of their reality and
kind of just shoves it to the side and ignores
a whole particular part of the audience. Meanwhile, if there

(01:07:30):
are so many good looking people watching a movie that
has people in there that, eh, whatever, nothing as much
is going on there, those they're still gonna watch it
because the acting ability and the betrayal of the story
and the storyline seamlessly coming through. And I'm not talking
where you have to, you know, dumb it up for
the audience where you say like, as you know, I
was once an author of love, you know, where the

(01:07:51):
characters are literally talking about their own buyer, because nobody
talks like that. But we've been conditioned three years of
entertainment and watching TV shows. The laugh track is a
perfect example teaching people when they should laugh, even if
it's not a funny scenario. Hell, Home Improvement wouldn't have
been a show. And I'll even throw Seinfeld in there.

(01:08:12):
Seinfeld didn't need a laugh track, but they knew that
their audiences weren't going to laugh at the scenarios at
George Laye R. Yeah, you pop into a room, imagine
Seinfeld without the laugh track, and that is actually what
Curby your Enthusiasm turned into. And that's been and that
ran twice as long as Seinfeld did, and people wanted more,

(01:08:38):
to one degree or another. We got to watch Larry
David going from a how is he even married at
that age? To a ending Larry David where he's like,
how does he even think he's trying to date at
that age? You know, and dating at a certain age
has been a it's been I mean sex, and the
city kind of didn't take enough.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Enough from that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, well I would I would say they didn't take
enough of a spoonful from that area. As the ladies
started aging, you just started hating Sara Jessica Parker's character
where you're like, why don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
The older the older character who was always dating the
younger younger guys always played the cougar character.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
They kind of that HBO.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
So the writing was very good for the first two seasons,
and then it slowly started turning into a Hallmark movie
where they eventually said the word fuck once in a while.
I'll give you an example, because the scenarios that Carrie
got into Sara Jessica Parker's character, you know where she's
now with some Russian millionaire because she has a magazine article,
and magazines at that time were a fucking dying breed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You can't, you can't, you can't. Give me a better
Hallmark script. Give me a better Hallmark script.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Sparky can give us a better picture of what we're
all talking about, right, Sparky.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
A Jewish man falls in love with an Iranian woman.
Love explodes over the desert.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Love in the desert.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Of course, there's a picture of a man and a woman.
She looks like a ninja and there is a large
dinosaur behind there behind her. I love, Della.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Do you think met?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
And Yahoo told Donald Trump? Where Donald Trump's like, why
don't you guys just stop fighting in that ya? Who's
like those gold in those hills? I'm sorry that wrap
up the show?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
YEAHO just sounds like a more evil version of Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
He just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Like, well, you know, Bernie Sanders was actually doing an interview.
He was at a rally or something, and well, well
when uh, the United States attacked.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
I ran.

Speaker 9 (01:11:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
He came out and he was like, oh my god,
is this is this true? You know, he didn't have
the authority of the of the Congress in order to
do when he attacks. And everyone was like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
No, no, no, there's all there's a bombs want for billionaires,
a millionaires. These all regular bombs, Like dude, your boy
Obama dropped fifteen two bombs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Okay, unauthorized by Congress. Actually current Congress didn't authorize it.
Past Congress. Did you see you could do stuff in
the past, give president a certain amount of powers under
the Patriot Act that, by the way, when it was
up for review, no one had a spine to repeal
and say no to. In fact, you yourself, Bernie Anders,

(01:11:56):
said yes to the Patriot Act again, So don't give
me your bull shit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Were no, they don't have any authority to do so.
Because you had the authority to vote no, you cowered
down and it was one hundred to zip on the
Patriot Act.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
That that when Bertie Sanders was also pocketing one hundred
million dollars for his campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I mean no, no, no, it was for his campaign. It
wasn't for him that was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
No, that's what I'm saying, Union dollars campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
That wasn't my motive.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
That was dom do, that was that was thru these Yeah,
these these these scumbags and hypocrites, you know, and it's
it's terrible what I'll go on for another half an
hour and we don't have that much time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
For another show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, it's Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
If people were going to ask you, uh to get
in touch with you, how would they do it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
They can go to Karengohler dot com k A R
E N g O E L l e r dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Or they can find me on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram,
and my email is Karen at Karengohler dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Karen, you are the one. You are one of the
most findable people on the Internet. There are hundreds and
hundreds of articles written about you. Reviews on your books
are all positive. I haven't found one negative yet, and
I've googled somebody please talk shit on Karen Gohler and
it's not there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Google said, sorry, we can't find it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Impossible good that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
It says elusive as Ala Zilla, Alizilla, ala Zillalla. Well, guys,
we are the pod Guys podcast of course, another interview
and another week. We'll have some great interviews coming up

(01:13:53):
in the next few weeks. A big shout out to
Karen Gohler, thank you very much for being on our
show as well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Thanks so Sparky.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
If you were looking for us, where would you find us?

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
You can find us on every single major screen platform
including YouTube, Google, Spotify, spreaker cast, Box, pocket cast, you
o rio. You could also find our merchandise, including a
nice little shirt like this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Oh my god, look at that shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
That's true. Guys, we are the pod Guys podcast. Check
us out every Monday night, ten fifteen Eastern Standard Time
on Tony Kaz of course, do you ever love and
Peacas so leis parque. OK. Guys, thank you very much.

(01:14:47):
We'll talk to you soon. Have a great night, catch
us soon by thank you.