November 6, 2025 • 44 mins
The Arizona Cardinals beat the Dallas Cowboys on Monday 27-17, and Jacoby Brissett is going to be the starting quarterback moving forward. Jess and Seth react to the quarterback news and react to what they saw in the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Arizona Cardinals site. And man, the Cardinals pulled it off.
The Cardinals pulled it off. They beat the Day Alice
Cowboys twenty seven seventeen. Jacoby Brissett played, well, there's there's
a lot going on in Cardinals Slane right now, Seth,
isn't there?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, Man, I mean, it's just been a lot of
a lot of interesting times, and you know, we talked
a little bit about it in the group text, but
there's you know, the way that that things have unfolded.
It's not surprising, but it'll be something to keep an
eye on because you know, as good as yesterday was,
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it was actually very mediocre in terms of what the
Cowboys have done this year.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Right, Yeah, and we'll talk about all of that. I mean,
we've got to talk about Jacoby Brissette. Okay, So that's
the first thing we're leading with. So Jacoby Brissett, his play,
and the decision moving forward is Jonathan Gannon announced told
the media that with the short week and for just
to clarify everything so that the team had clarity, Jacoby
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present will start against Seattle, regardless of Kyler's health and so.
And then on top of that, that was in the
press conference on Arizona Sports in ninety eighty seven, he
told Burns and Gambo that had Kyler been healthy, he
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was going to go with Brissette anyway. So I think
that what he said in the press conference left the
door open one to be okay, Kyler's health, Kyler's health,
Kyler's health, he's not healthy yet, and Jacoby Brissett's been
playing well, so we can allow Kyler to get to
be one hundred percent. This is an interesting tidbit that
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a healthy Kyler would still have meant like even if
he gets healthy this week, or even if he were
all the way healthy this week. Brissette, before we talk
about the play, what do you think about the decision?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Uh, you know, it's just one of those decisions that
I think, you know, we've talked about this quite a bit.
People go off of vibes a lot, right, and so
you know, losing two games by eight points combined was
was more okay in the vibes aspect than losing uh,
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three games by a combined five points, right, So so
people go, oh, well that, you know, they just they
were so much better, and again it was against better
competition and the Colts and the Packers. But you know,
for for fans or this podcast that have said that
there are no moral victories anymore, that was a lot
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of moral victories. And so there's an actual victory last night, right, Like, yes,
that was you know, one of those situations. So you
look at it from that perspective. It's interesting that that's
you know, how it's going to go, and you hope
that it is the right move. You hope that for
the sake of the regime is the right move because
as we've talked about, that's the second win and non
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Kyler Murray starts under Jonathan Gannon, so that moves them
to two and ten and in Gannon's career without Murray,
thirteen and seventeen with Murray, So they've got still quite
a bit of room to go. I mean, another eleven,
they have to go eleven and seven and the next
eighteen starts to even match that that bad you know,
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Murray number. And so that'll be what's interesting to see
is you know, they're they're in the thick of the
schedule there, they're one and two in those games that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We talked about, and and again it just seems like
a lot of it's on on vibes, and maybe that's
what's important right now, right like the vibes are good,
the vibes are a little more positive coming after that that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That you know, catastrophic loss to Tennessee. You know, Kyle
Odegard put it the other day, this is a four
and four team if if just they simply don't give
the game away to Tennessee, right right, and and they're
in the thick of the playoffs instead, you know, they're
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the eleven seed or twelve seed in the NFC. They're
really really far behind the division and it's going to
be super unlikely to see a four teams, all four
teams from one division make the playoffs, especially when you're
talking about a team that's again so far behind anyways,
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and and the only tiebreaker they have right now are
the Cowboys and the Panthers, who both are in front
of them. So that's the other hard part. You know,
they're yeah, they are twelfth in the in the division,
and so those will be things to watch, but you know,
right now, the main thing, and they do have a
game against the Falcons, who they're technically you know, in
front of even though they're they're both three and five.
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Uh So we'll see how it goes. But you know,
the next the rest of the season realistically, but the
next five games, I think it is, uh six games, sorry,
six games are really going to tell us what what
that And that's if if Jacoby's the starter in all
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six games. You know, if they if they can go
four and two and they're sitting at seven and seven,
then it was the right call, right like, but if
they if they go one in one in five or
god forbid, oh and six, then beating a terrible Dallas
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defense is not was not the the litmus test that
need to be made for a change. And so those
are the those are the things you have to to
now look forward to, you know, is can they And
it's it's good that it starts so early, right, Like
it's good that it starts immediately against Seattle, one of
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the teams not only ahead of them, but in the division,
the first place team in the division. Ah, you know,
maybe the best team in the division, although it's really
a coin flip, but who the best team is? We
all know who the worst team is, but like who
the best team is? And so those are you know,
those are really interesting things to watch because the next
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six games will define and again that's if that's if
Jacoby's the guy for for all six games, this will
define the Jonathan Gannon era because it's either it's either
you pulled the right chord or the ripcord you pulled
was the false one. And now you're you know, you're
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too close and to pull the right one, and and
you know it's going to be game over for me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Like the extra thing from Arizona Sports I don't know why.
I don't know why Ganon would say that, whether or
not it's true, because as much as we know about
getting on not Ganna not wanting to give away stuff
that question, like he could have simply said, like if
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Kyler's helped with just like I don't know, he's not healthy.
I don't know what I would have done there, And
it allows like saying right now that you're going to
go with Jacoby to start for Seattle, which makes sense
when Kyler isn't healthy yet. And now the report comes
out that the that there was kind of a four
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to eight week thing, and I know Kyler was trying
to get back after the bye. What I thought about
Jacobe's play, about Persett's play thus far, is that the
one thing that it allowed the Cardinals to do, and
Kyler specifically to do, because every injury that Kyler has
had previously that caused it at this time, he was
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coming back before one hundred percent because he was in
a hurry to get back. He wanted to get back
on the field. If we look back to the so
his rookie season, he played the season finale on a
sore hamstring. He wasn't one hundred percent, but he wanted to.
They wanted him to play every game. In twenty twenty
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at the end of the that and the end of
the year when he spray had that high ankle spring
during the Rams game and he came back in. He
had no business coming back in, by the way, but
people expected it from him. He was had, he had
the high echoes. He came back and was was not good.
Was not one hundred percent. And twenty twenty one when
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he when he sprained his ankle, the high ankle spraying
again in the Packers game, he came back early. Like
he came back and played. He wasn't one hundred percent.
So the idea that you know, it turned out he
wasn't ready. This past week, I thought that Brissette's play
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what that'll gave the Cardinals the luxury that while he's
playing well, while Brissette is running the offense well, to
afford Murder the opportunity to get fully healthy. And so
the decision on a short week to give clarity to
the team, rather than to split the reps and do
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kind of the play the cat and mouse that he
likes to do, it made one hundred percent sense to
say Kyler's and all the references to Kyler's health and
his health bucket, it allows him to get to heal.
It made sense to go with Jacoby Brissette and simply
because well, you know, Kyler's not healthy. We want to
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give the team clarity. The offense has been running well,
so why change things to add the information that even
if Kyler were healthy, that he was ready to go
to Brisset, that was fuel to a fire. You didn't
need to add now. And and on top of that,
he says that today what happens on Sunday if Brisset
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looks like Colt McCoy versus the Panthers, and then you
have to walk things back rather than saying Jacoby's playing, well,
Kyler's not one hundred percent healthy. Okay. If Jacoby goes
and lays an eggs in Seattle, you didn't come out
and say I was ready to go to Brissette. Now
you're playing quarterback, yo yo, Then it's just, oh, he
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is Kyler healthy enough to play? Now? Okay? He comes
back in and takes it, takes over against San Francisco
if he's able to. So I understand the decision. I
like I don't know why he said what he said
on Arizona Sports because I think that just for all
the controversy, for all the Murray talk, I think that
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was I think that doesn't help the situation. And for
someone who tries to keep things as close to the
vest as Gannon does, I think that was unnecessary. The
decision for Brissette moving forward, well for at least for
this week perfect perfect that made sense. And honestly, if
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Kyler was going to come back less than one hundred percent,
I wouldn't want to see it against Seattle, who is
so tough against him. Yeah. So, but as for the game,
what did you think about what we saw from Brissette,
Because now it's three games in a row touchdown passes,
he had a rushing touchdown, and we saw smooth operations,
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we saw down the field throws every like. There was
nothing not to like. Almost there was almost nothing not
to like.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, it was interesting. It was an interesting game because
you look at it and you know, he didn't complete
anything over twenty yards in this one. So one of
the keys of the game where Dallas was obviously to
keep things in front and but one of the things
that they did a terrible job with all game was
what tackling right, like they they literally.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wide they had wide open guys in front of them.
And then they you know, the Michael Wilson play, like
Brissett made some really great throws. But we have seen
that the Dallas defenses is so bad.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So bad right now, right and and you look at it,
they you know, the it's interesting to see the last
three games because if you look at it, you know,
people are gonna look at it and go always been,
you know, phenomenal in all three games.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It's tough to to say that when one that was
and this is statistically speaking, that was the second best
performance by the Dallas defense all season.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
So like.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
That putrid defensive performance was the second best defensive performance
they've had all season, or sorry, third third best defensive
performance they've had all season, I mean in nine games,
like that's and then and then you look at it,
that was the most sacks by the Dallas defense all season.
I still, you know, like with Kyler, I don't blame
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the quarterback for those issues. I blame the play calling.
And you can look at you can look at it.
In the game, they once again had absolutely no second
half rhythm after the touchdown, right, like they go down,
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they score, and and then after that it's it's please
don't beat us, right, like they they kicked the field
goal in the third quarter, and they went they went
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three and out, five and out, and then they they
finally got you know a little bit of yardage, and
and again not on pre sette, this was like, what
what is this offense in the second half? And you know,
it was especially disconcerned because they came out after a halftime,
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right and scored that touchdown immediately three plays seventy four yards.
They get the big play as you mentioned to Michael Wilson,
you know, for fifty yards, then they get the big
run to zonno A Night for seventeen yards, and it's like,
you know, sixty seven yards and two plays like that's
that's a great start to things. And you just kind
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of sit there and go okay, So then what happened
the rest of the game, And that's what the concern is.
And again not a reset thing, more of a what
is this offense thing? Like where was continuing to push
the ball to Marvin Harrison Junior? Why did he only
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get one target in the second half, I mean six
catches on I think it was eight or nine targets
in the first half, one one target, one catch in
the second half. Like I don't I guess I just
don't understand what the philosophy is, especially when something was
working so easily.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Right, So, if you look at the fourth quarter, the
fourth quarter was no different than New Orleans, than Carolina,
San Francisco and Tennessee. The only thing that was different
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was they didn't have their they didn't have the brain
farts against Tennessee, right, so they went hunt, punt, turnover
on downs and the difference was they had they had
the lead. And and interestingly enough, we can also this
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was this is what happened again. If we remember in
twenty twenty three, the Cardinals beat the Cowboys in part
because the Cowboys coaches were morons. You know, if Brian
Schottenheimer in both of those times they for it, if
they just kicked the field goal, it's a it's a
four point game in the fourth quarter. When they score
that touchdown, it would have been twenty seven to twenty three.
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And then how they approached things would have been much different.
And you know, granted the Cardinals, the Cardinals did make
the place, but we're still talking. So yeah, if we're
looking at Brissette's performance, the volume, the volume still says
he's doing a good job. It does. The numbers don't lie.
He's being very efficient. When you look at the big picture,
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the passing game looks better. And so I like, you
can't say Jacoby's playing poorly. But if you look at
the team that like, between Kyler and Jacoby, the fourth
quarter's been the same because the coaches are doing the
same thing. Now, what I do love about and this
is the thing personally, and I put this out on
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x and and got some heat from some people, and like,
I still believe in Kyler Murray. Like apples to apples,
I want to see Kyler behind the same offensive line
with with Will Hernandez playing a full game and with
Petsing calling the same type of plays, having the same
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offensive philosophy that he's had in the three games with Brissette.
Because we know that the run game philosophy has been different.
Rather than forcing the run game early, they're using the
run game sporadically and then they're using at the end
of games because they don't have James Connor and Trey
Benson to lean on. That's that's been that's been Petsing's
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crutch the whole time. Is like when they need something,
they lean on Connor, and that wasn't good this year.
So I personally, I'd be more comfortable with saying Brissett
moving forward if I could see Kyler one time behind.
Because if we look at the Tennessee game, the first
half when Will Hernandez was in the game, they scored
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three touchdowns in four drives and so and things fell
apart after he came out, and so it seems odd
that going from Isaiah Adams to Will Hernandez was really
the difference. But look at the offense. Look at the
offense overall. Since Will Hernandez got back, it's now been
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it's now been sixteen quarters, fourteen of which he's been
in the game. The fourteen quarters he's been in the game,
you've had twelve very good offensive quarters. You've had two
mmm and then the two that he was not in
the game against Tennessee was disastrous. Who was disastrous, And
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so I would I'd like to see that. That said,
Jacoby's playing very well. I do have one major concern,
one major worry that is just the number of hits.
And and that's one of the things that people love
is that he's staying in the pocket, he's taking those hits.
I'm like, Murray might not do that. You're right, but
you know what, if he is, he is he not
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making the plays though? Is he getting out and making
plays with his legs? Is he making plays on those
throws or or or is it really Brissett's But the
problem is he was sacked another five times last night.
He took another eleven hits. That makes thirty five hits
in three games that Brissett has taken and there are
some he looked banged up after some of those hits.
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So I don't know if what he's doing is sustainable
for his health. That said, I can't complain about what
he's done, but we find themselves the defense playing a
little better. And yeah, so before anything else about Brissett,
specifically before before were bumping onto the next topic.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
No, no, I think, like you said, it's it's the
right move for the time and we'll see how it works.
And there are, you know, honest concerns that need to
be shared. And again it's not necessarily with Brissette's play
it's how long is the hit sustainable for? Because, like
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you said, like the three games, it's it's an astonishing
amount of hits thus far, so.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Many coming up next to the Rise of Receiver podcast,
Best Our Cardinals talk on the wad. Let's move a
little bit to the rest of the offense, the rest
of the playoffensively? What are the good things we saw
that's coming? Next time? Riceups you read back on the
Rise of Secret podcast, Best Are Cardinals Talk All the way?
The Cardinals beat the Dallas Cowboys twenty seven to seventeen.
The offense looked much better. They had three hundred and
forty yards. They outgained the Cowboys. They went seven for
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thirteen on third down. The Jacoby Brissett had two hundred
and sixty one passing yards. They ran for one hundred
and nineteen yards. You know, there are things to like,
I mean, the other things to like. You you obviously
have to like the play of Marvin Harrison in the
first half, and like, did it seem like after the
scathing criticism from Marvin Harrison's senior on that story by
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Josh Waine Fissover at ESPN. So then suddenly, oh, now
we're gonna We're gonna feed Harrison. We're gonna feed him
and he had was it I think it was two targets.
Maybe maybe it was just a one target in the
second half, but no, it was two targets because one
one win incomplete, so we had two targets in the
second half. He went six six catches and eight targets
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in the first half. Uh. He And what I loved
was the way he was playing. And what have we
been saying? You gotta feed receivers like that so they
keep the intensity up. And that's exactly what we saw.
We saw a receiver that looked like he was feeling himself,
like that's what we want to see. The touchdown when
he put Durra bland on, Oh my gosh, that that
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move at the goal line the easiest touchdown you could
have ever seen, you know, sent Deron Bland to the
ground just fumbling his ankles and then Ceedee Lamb on
the sideline. Does you could see it in Ceedee Lamb's eyes.
The reaction to that was wow. It was both like
that was cool and oh my gosh, that my teammate
was that was on my teammate. But I loved the
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the focus on Harrison early, but like you said, like
what why did they not go back to him in
the second half?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, And it's just it's a it's the continued a
nundrum that we've we've had with this offensive game plan.
And don't get me wrong, I don't mind going to
Trey McBride. I don't mind the big play to Michael Wilson.
But also you know, I see I see people say
things like, oh, you know, the receivers are going to
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be so much happier with with that game or or
with him there. It's like there's no difference in what
was happening with with Trey, right, like the targets or
the targets. The bigger difference is the usage down the
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field and something we've talked about and and these guys
getting chances to compete down the field h more often
and not running now screens and things like that and
too to the detriment of of the series. Uh and
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and more than that, to me, it's it's looking at
what happened with Marvin the first half and just again,
why is this not a consistent.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Like I don't know, maybe maybe you and I are crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Maybe that's what it is. Well, we see what other
teams do with their big time receivers. They feed them
the ball. Is what is Joe Flacco doing in Cincinnati's
like Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase, like in Minnesota, get the
ball to Justin Jefferson like when you've got the receiver
like Seattle, Jackson Smith and jigbuk Like they're giving him
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the ball all the time. So yeah. Another thing that
was really it was really positive was the use of
the run game in the efficiency. Now, granted, Dallas not
good defensively, but in the absence of a James Connor
and Trey Benson, the run game complimented the passing game perfectly,
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and the and Dan to see a Mario de Marcado
have himself a really nice game. He ended up with
fourteen carries for seventy nine yards. He had he had
three or four really nice runs. It was good to
see him make plays. And the fact that they could
run the ball in the second half a little bit
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to make some plays and you know, to get one
hundred and nineteen yards without Kyler Marie as you were
as your best runner. I thought that was really nice
as well. It was great to see Michael Wilson get involved,
like the fifty yard play again. But you know, who's
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to say that wouldn't happen with Kyler because that's secondary
that Dallas secondary is something else. But you got contributions
from lots of people. You've got one, two, three, for
five six players catching passes. Now, here's the thing with
when Kyler was playing, that was never a problem there.
He regularly had seven, eight to nine different players catching passes.
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It's just we weren't getting the volume from guys we wanted.
And so nineteen nineteen of Jacoby Brissette's targets, his passing
attempts went to Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride. That's right
about right. You know, we're looking at about two thirds
of the targets. Anywhere between fifty percent to two thirds
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of the targets we believe should be going in those
two players direction. And I think that's kind of why
it worked. Elijah Higgins. If you listen to me on
my prop, I'm doing the over one and a half
catches for Elijah Higgins. You catch that is he got
three catches in the first half. But yeah, lots lots
of good that's the major concern is is is what
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Jacoby's doing, the hits he's taken, is that sustainable, especially
when we come up against a defense like Seattle, any
anything of note offensively, you'd like to point out that
was that was positive?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, I mean I think you have to look at
and I know people would be like, well, six sacks,
that was a lot. I wasn't overly concerned with the
pass blocking beach him had a rough night, but again,
you're asking him to play tight end and come in
in those situations where it's obvious that you know, I
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mean I literally was sitting there, as you know, screaming like.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What are we doing? Like he had a couple of
really bad whiffs.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Man, he did, but like, again, we're putting a guy
in a position that he's never blocked from before, right
because he's playing tight end as an extra guy and
you're running play action and they don't respect the play action.
And that's something that you know, I tweeted out a
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couple of times, right like like guys, they don't they
don't respect your play action, like you have to throw
the ball. I get it, like you want to run
play action and stuff like that. But I think four
of the sacks came on play action plays and it's
not on anybody, right, I don't blame the I don't
blame the line, I don't blame the I don't blame
the quarterback. And I think they put three of the
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five sacks on Jacoby, which is I would disagree with.
But it's also you know, it's tough, and so those
are Yeah, that's how I would look at it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Cobout. Next on the Rise of Seret podcast, Bestar Cardinal's
Talk on the Web. One of my favorite things to
happen out of this game, Walter Nolan. Let's talk about
the first round pick and his NFL debut. That's coming
a next one, Rise of s Red You're Pack On
the Rise of Secret podcast, Bestar Cardinals Talk on the Web. Uh,
Walter Nolan. I said for months, Walter Nolan's rookie year
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is cooked because he didn't get any training camp. He's
gonna miss half the season, He's not gonna make much
of an impact. Ov Okay, okay, all right, that I'll
take that l my goodness, But but I don't even
know Nolan. Walter Nolan in one game, like in his
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second snap, like he was impactful. Immediately that was impressive.
I was that that was one of the biggest things.
And if if this is more than just a flash
of his first game, the Cardinals defense got a big,
big boost. Well, and that's just it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know. We talked about how in those three games
the defense let them down so much, right, and and
to see them come out, especially against an offense that
had played so well at home, and they'd play well
on the road too, I don't want to take anything
away from but like this was a juggernaut offense at home, right, Well,
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you and I talked about it on the on.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The party in their three previous home games.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And so for the Cardinals to hold them to their
second lowest point total of the season at at home
obviously is a huge deal. Their total yard was the
third lowest of the season, you know, and those that
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made a difference. And so when you look at it
from that perspective, it's just they've they didn't have the
bodies in some of those games.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
We talked about the Darius Robinson absence, uh, and again
he wasn't like he was great, but he's just a
rotational guy. Then, right, like they have another body, Walter
Nolan had a great, great game. He only had to
play thirty seven snaps, Like those are the things that
we talked about, you know. And you look at fifty
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one snaps between Nolan and Darius Robinson and and the
biggest thing in that is not that they played and
by the way, Nolan played excellent, not that they played outstanding,
but what it did was they took up snaps from guys.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
DJ mus got what six snaps of the game, Yeah,
instead of pjs must and NLS who was inactive.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Right and so and And the reason that's important is
because what happened late in the game, Kalays Campbell gets
two sacks, right, and and you and I have talked
about this. Kalais is playing the exact same amount of
snaps basically every game, you know, percentage wise, things of
that nature. Basically every game they use him in pass
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rush situations. By the way, in the in three of
the five losses, he played ten or more run defense snaps.
In the other five games on the season, he's played
less than ten defensive running snaps. Like he's here to
(33:58):
be an interior pass rusher. And so when when teams
are like, oh we got Clayis on the field, let's
run the ball, and again not Kalais's fault, but like
you you know, you're able to kind of take advantage
of one the age too. You know, that lateral mobility.
It's like you saw the explosiveness up the field, right,
(34:18):
but it's the lateral mobility that's that's not as elite
as it once was. And you saw that he missed
a tackle in the backfield right on Javonte Williams. Dravonte
Williams put a great move on him and gained like
ten yards and so those are the little things. And
so then on top of that, then Walter Nolan playing
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you know almost elite was was just.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Thirty seven snaps, four tackles, two tackles for loss, a
quarterback hit in a sack, and then the pass break up,
the tipped pass. That's that was in one game, nearly
as much production as Darius Robinson had for his entire
rookie season. Right. That's and with Robinson's situation is different,
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but it was great to see one that maybe his
rookie year isn't wasted because if he can do that
in one game, that will be fun to see late
in the year once he gets a few, you know,
some actual snaps under his belt and and some experience.
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So that's that'll be fun to see moving forward. So
that that is that I was I was shocked. I
was amazed. And even on the place where he didn't
make plays, you still saw him like he was he was.
He jumped off the film like he jumped, like jumped
off the TV. Even on the on the plays where
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he didn't make a play, like he was a problem,
which was really cool to see exactly. Uh And with
that come in an next Time Rises Year podcast Cardinals Talking,
who have us wrap this up? We're to talk about
the rest of the defense. Let's talk what we liked
defensively from the rest of the players. Is coming to
next to the rest of he read We're back on
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the Rises Here podcast, Best our Cardinals talk on the web. Overall,
you have to like what the Cardinals did defensively against
that juggernaut out of an offense. So they got the takeaways,
they got pat they got sacks. Josh Sweat now up
to seven sacks in the season in eight games. That
contract looks great. He had two Not only that, but
(36:33):
he was productive and I think he had two socks
two sacks and five quarterback hits. Kalaias had the two sacks.
You know, I was disappointing because he got Garrett Williams
back in the lineup, and so you're like, finally the
secondary where you get Max and Garrett and will Johnson altogether.
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And it lasted a half because Milton got a concussion
and had to leave the game for the second half,
and so you got Denzel Burke. But Denzel Burke made plays.
He had the pick at the end of the game.
He broke up that fourth down pass to Ceedee Lamb.
I mean, he had will Johnson doing good things. Garrett
Williams had a decent game back. It wasn't perfect, but
(37:17):
you could tell his presence was was noticed. Walter Nolan
doing his thing, Cody Simon filling in for for Mac
Wilson at the end of the game and getting the
force fumble that was there was a show out of
their of their young guys and the newcomers, newcomers in general.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Right, the Investments, right, like the young the young guys Simon,
Burt Nolan, Johnson, the Investments, sweat a Keem Davis Gaither
played probably his best game in the season. Those things
all made a difference in this game. And then and
then you have, you know, like you said, the return
(37:55):
of Garrett Williams, who we have joked but is their
most you know it vurianced and veteran presence in the secondary.
So so that was helpful.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
The biggest thing now is how they continue to to
kind of fix the als of consistency in the pass rush.
It wasn't bad by any means, right like, but three
of those sacks or was it two, I can't remember now,
but came in you know, desperation time, which was great
(38:29):
to see. You know, you never want to take stats away,
just like you won't say, you know, the Denzel Burke
interception was kind of it was what it was, but
you want to see more consistency from the pass rush.
That was one of the things I thought. And then
I you know, again the run defense. I don't know
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if it was because they got up and weren't expecting
to see much in terms of rushing the ball from
from Dallas, but one hundred and twenty three yards rush.
And again, Javonte Williams is really good, you know, like
he's had.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
A he had a nice game like other like other
than the fumble was was a big deal. Yeah, fumble
was a big deal, but yeah he he ran the
ball well and and and really it came down to
the defense made the plays it needed to. Those two
fourth down stops were huge, But we might be having
a different conversation if Brian Schottenheimer doesn't go for it
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on both those fourth downs.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Well, and we could be having a different I mean,
we talked about it early and again this there's nothing
to take away from what the Cardinals did. They won
that game, but three drops on the first drive, right,
think about that, like we drops on the first drive
from the Dallas Cowboys, two fumbles by reliable guys in
(39:52):
Jake Ferguson and Javonte Williams on kind of useless, meaningles
like fighting for extra yardage instead of just getting down.
Like all of that stuff added up to the Cardinals
having opportunities but not having having to worry as much
(40:13):
as they have in the past, and those things made
a difference. You know. The biggest takeaway from this game
to me is is the rush offense and defense like
that has to get better because even with wins like say,
they go like you can't not be able to run
the ball and give up so much in the running
game and expect to win. And then obviously we can
(40:36):
have a conversation about the special teams. It was not great,
but at the same time too, the fact that seven
of the seventeen points was from special teams does make
you feel even better about the defensive performance.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Right and you know, especially against that team. So while
there were things that you didn't love, the context of
what they did against the Cowboys was important because Dak
Prescott hadn't been sacked hardly at all. They got to
him five times, they hadn't been turning the ball over.
(41:15):
The Cardinals took the ball away three times. But at
the end of the day, the Cowboys are also kind
of in the same boat as the Cardinals. They're not
a good team. They're not a good team, and so
they are They're they're kind of a mess right now,
and so but kudos to to making the plays when
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they needed to, to see their investments performing, To see
Walter Nolan break out in his debut, it's a I'll
take a win. I was shocked by it. And you know,
as as much as I would rather see Kyler Murray
doing this, we can't hate that Jacoby's doing it to
(41:59):
race questions. It raises questions about the future, but especially
because do we really think that I I don't believe
that what Brissette is doing is sustainable, but you know,
maybe it is. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah that I mean, that's a conversation for later on
once we have a little bit bigger of a sample size,
because you know, the production each game has gone down slightly,
not much, but slightly. And and again that the hits
are absurd at this point. Thirteen sacks, thirty thirty five
quarterback hits, like so many, that's in three games. That's like,
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that's what's concerning right.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, that's the main thing.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
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the Rest of Seriit podcast Bestar of Cardinals. Talk of
the Evitts that we got to talk about, Like there's controversy,
but there's it's not a it's not a dumpster fire.
We didn't think the Cardinals had a chance to win
that game. The Cowboys gave them that chance. They've now
won eight out of the last nine against Dallas. They
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continue to win in Dallas, and next up this week
we've got Seattle a very very critically important game, koby
Ver said a quarterback. The schedule of our show should
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Arizona Cardinals site. And man, the Cardinals pulled it off.
The Cardinals pulled it off. They beat the Day Alice
Cowboys twenty seven seventeen. Jacoby Brissett played, well, there's there's
a lot going on in Cardinals Slane right now, Seth,
isn't there?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, Man, I mean, it's just been a lot of
a lot of interesting times, and you know, we talked
a little bit about it in the group text, but
there's you know, the way that that things have unfolded.
It's not surprising, but it'll be something to keep an
eye on because you know, as good as yesterday was,
(01:34):
it was actually very mediocre in terms of what the
Cowboys have done this year.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Right, Yeah, and we'll talk about all of that. I mean,
we've got to talk about Jacoby Brissette. Okay, So that's
the first thing we're leading with. So Jacoby Brissett, his play,
and the decision moving forward is Jonathan Gannon announced told
the media that with the short week and for just
to clarify everything so that the team had clarity, Jacoby
(02:06):
present will start against Seattle, regardless of Kyler's health and so.
And then on top of that, that was in the
press conference on Arizona Sports in ninety eighty seven, he
told Burns and Gambo that had Kyler been healthy, he
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was going to go with Brissette anyway. So I think
that what he said in the press conference left the
door open one to be okay, Kyler's health, Kyler's health,
Kyler's health, he's not healthy yet, and Jacoby Brissett's been
playing well, so we can allow Kyler to get to
be one hundred percent. This is an interesting tidbit that
(02:50):
a healthy Kyler would still have meant like even if
he gets healthy this week, or even if he were
all the way healthy this week. Brissette, before we talk
about the play, what do you think about the decision?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Uh, you know, it's just one of those decisions that
I think, you know, we've talked about this quite a bit.
People go off of vibes a lot, right, and so
you know, losing two games by eight points combined was
was more okay in the vibes aspect than losing uh,
(03:29):
three games by a combined five points, right, So so
people go, oh, well that, you know, they just they
were so much better, and again it was against better
competition and the Colts and the Packers. But you know,
for for fans or this podcast that have said that
there are no moral victories anymore, that was a lot
(03:52):
of moral victories. And so there's an actual victory last night, right, Like, yes,
that was you know, one of those situations. So you
look at it from that perspective. It's interesting that that's
you know, how it's going to go, and you hope
that it is the right move. You hope that for
the sake of the regime is the right move because
as we've talked about, that's the second win and non
(04:15):
Kyler Murray starts under Jonathan Gannon, so that moves them
to two and ten and in Gannon's career without Murray,
thirteen and seventeen with Murray, So they've got still quite
a bit of room to go. I mean, another eleven,
they have to go eleven and seven and the next
eighteen starts to even match that that bad you know,
(04:38):
Murray number. And so that'll be what's interesting to see
is you know, they're they're in the thick of the
schedule there, they're one and two in those games that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We talked about, and and again it just seems like
a lot of it's on on vibes, and maybe that's
what's important right now, right like the vibes are good,
the vibes are a little more positive coming after that that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That you know, catastrophic loss to Tennessee. You know, Kyle
Odegard put it the other day, this is a four
and four team if if just they simply don't give
the game away to Tennessee, right right, and and they're
in the thick of the playoffs instead, you know, they're
(05:32):
the eleven seed or twelve seed in the NFC. They're
really really far behind the division and it's going to
be super unlikely to see a four teams, all four
teams from one division make the playoffs, especially when you're
talking about a team that's again so far behind anyways,
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and and the only tiebreaker they have right now are
the Cowboys and the Panthers, who both are in front
of them. So that's the other hard part. You know,
they're yeah, they are twelfth in the in the division,
and so those will be things to watch, but you know,
right now, the main thing, and they do have a
game against the Falcons, who they're technically you know, in
front of even though they're they're both three and five.
(06:19):
Uh So we'll see how it goes. But you know,
the next the rest of the season realistically, but the
next five games, I think it is, uh six games, sorry,
six games are really going to tell us what what
that And that's if if Jacoby's the starter in all
(06:40):
six games. You know, if they if they can go
four and two and they're sitting at seven and seven,
then it was the right call, right like, but if
they if they go one in one in five or
god forbid, oh and six, then beating a terrible Dallas
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defense is not was not the the litmus test that
need to be made for a change. And so those
are the those are the things you have to to
now look forward to, you know, is can they And
it's it's good that it starts so early, right, Like
it's good that it starts immediately against Seattle, one of
(07:24):
the teams not only ahead of them, but in the division,
the first place team in the division. Ah, you know,
maybe the best team in the division, although it's really
a coin flip, but who the best team is? We
all know who the worst team is, but like who
the best team is? And so those are you know,
those are really interesting things to watch because the next
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six games will define and again that's if that's if
Jacoby's the guy for for all six games, this will
define the Jonathan Gannon era because it's either it's either
you pulled the right chord or the ripcord you pulled
was the false one. And now you're you know, you're
(08:08):
too close and to pull the right one, and and
you know it's going to be game over for me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Like the extra thing from Arizona Sports I don't know why.
I don't know why Ganon would say that, whether or
not it's true, because as much as we know about
getting on not Ganna not wanting to give away stuff
that question, like he could have simply said, like if
(08:40):
Kyler's helped with just like I don't know, he's not healthy.
I don't know what I would have done there, And
it allows like saying right now that you're going to
go with Jacoby to start for Seattle, which makes sense
when Kyler isn't healthy yet. And now the report comes
out that the that there was kind of a four
(09:02):
to eight week thing, and I know Kyler was trying
to get back after the bye. What I thought about
Jacobe's play, about Persett's play thus far, is that the
one thing that it allowed the Cardinals to do, and
Kyler specifically to do, because every injury that Kyler has
had previously that caused it at this time, he was
(09:25):
coming back before one hundred percent because he was in
a hurry to get back. He wanted to get back
on the field. If we look back to the so
his rookie season, he played the season finale on a
sore hamstring. He wasn't one hundred percent, but he wanted to.
They wanted him to play every game. In twenty twenty
(09:45):
at the end of the that and the end of
the year when he spray had that high ankle spring
during the Rams game and he came back in. He
had no business coming back in, by the way, but
people expected it from him. He was had, he had
the high echoes. He came back and was was not good.
Was not one hundred percent. And twenty twenty one when
(10:05):
he when he sprained his ankle, the high ankle spraying
again in the Packers game, he came back early. Like
he came back and played. He wasn't one hundred percent.
So the idea that you know, it turned out he
wasn't ready. This past week, I thought that Brissette's play
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what that'll gave the Cardinals the luxury that while he's
playing well, while Brissette is running the offense well, to
afford Murder the opportunity to get fully healthy. And so
the decision on a short week to give clarity to
the team, rather than to split the reps and do
(10:48):
kind of the play the cat and mouse that he
likes to do, it made one hundred percent sense to
say Kyler's and all the references to Kyler's health and
his health bucket, it allows him to get to heal.
It made sense to go with Jacoby Brissette and simply
because well, you know, Kyler's not healthy. We want to
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give the team clarity. The offense has been running well,
so why change things to add the information that even
if Kyler were healthy, that he was ready to go
to Brisset, that was fuel to a fire. You didn't
need to add now. And and on top of that,
he says that today what happens on Sunday if Brisset
(11:36):
looks like Colt McCoy versus the Panthers, and then you
have to walk things back rather than saying Jacoby's playing, well,
Kyler's not one hundred percent healthy. Okay. If Jacoby goes
and lays an eggs in Seattle, you didn't come out
and say I was ready to go to Brissette. Now
you're playing quarterback, yo yo, Then it's just, oh, he
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is Kyler healthy enough to play? Now? Okay? He comes
back in and takes it, takes over against San Francisco
if he's able to. So I understand the decision. I
like I don't know why he said what he said
on Arizona Sports because I think that just for all
the controversy, for all the Murray talk, I think that
(12:23):
was I think that doesn't help the situation. And for
someone who tries to keep things as close to the
vest as Gannon does, I think that was unnecessary. The
decision for Brissette moving forward, well for at least for
this week perfect perfect that made sense. And honestly, if
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Kyler was going to come back less than one hundred percent,
I wouldn't want to see it against Seattle, who is
so tough against him. Yeah. So, but as for the game,
what did you think about what we saw from Brissette,
Because now it's three games in a row touchdown passes,
he had a rushing touchdown, and we saw smooth operations,
(13:05):
we saw down the field throws every like. There was
nothing not to like. Almost there was almost nothing not
to like.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, it was interesting. It was an interesting game because
you look at it and you know, he didn't complete
anything over twenty yards in this one. So one of
the keys of the game where Dallas was obviously to
keep things in front and but one of the things
that they did a terrible job with all game was
what tackling right, like they they literally.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wide they had wide open guys in front of them.
And then they you know, the Michael Wilson play, like
Brissett made some really great throws. But we have seen
that the Dallas defenses is so bad.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So bad right now, right and and you look at it,
they you know, the it's interesting to see the last
three games because if you look at it, you know,
people are gonna look at it and go always been,
you know, phenomenal in all three games.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It's tough to to say that when one that was
and this is statistically speaking, that was the second best
performance by the Dallas defense all season.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
So like.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
That putrid defensive performance was the second best defensive performance
they've had all season, or sorry, third third best defensive
performance they've had all season, I mean in nine games,
like that's and then and then you look at it,
that was the most sacks by the Dallas defense all season.
I still, you know, like with Kyler, I don't blame
(14:52):
the quarterback for those issues. I blame the play calling.
And you can look at you can look at it.
In the game, they once again had absolutely no second
half rhythm after the touchdown, right, like they go down,
(15:16):
they score, and and then after that it's it's please
don't beat us, right, like they they kicked the field
goal in the third quarter, and they went they went
(15:39):
three and out, five and out, and then they they
finally got you know a little bit of yardage, and
and again not on pre sette, this was like, what
what is this offense in the second half? And you know,
it was especially disconcerned because they came out after a halftime,
(16:02):
right and scored that touchdown immediately three plays seventy four yards.
They get the big play as you mentioned to Michael Wilson,
you know, for fifty yards, then they get the big
run to zonno A Night for seventeen yards, and it's like,
you know, sixty seven yards and two plays like that's
that's a great start to things. And you just kind
(16:27):
of sit there and go okay, So then what happened
the rest of the game, And that's what the concern is.
And again not a reset thing, more of a what
is this offense thing? Like where was continuing to push
the ball to Marvin Harrison Junior? Why did he only
(16:47):
get one target in the second half, I mean six
catches on I think it was eight or nine targets
in the first half, one one target, one catch in
the second half. Like I don't I guess I just
don't understand what the philosophy is, especially when something was
working so easily.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Right, So, if you look at the fourth quarter, the
fourth quarter was no different than New Orleans, than Carolina,
San Francisco and Tennessee. The only thing that was different
(17:25):
was they didn't have their they didn't have the brain
farts against Tennessee, right, so they went hunt, punt, turnover
on downs and the difference was they had they had
the lead. And and interestingly enough, we can also this
(17:47):
was this is what happened again. If we remember in
twenty twenty three, the Cardinals beat the Cowboys in part
because the Cowboys coaches were morons. You know, if Brian
Schottenheimer in both of those times they for it, if
they just kicked the field goal, it's a it's a
four point game in the fourth quarter. When they score
that touchdown, it would have been twenty seven to twenty three.
(18:09):
And then how they approached things would have been much different.
And you know, granted the Cardinals, the Cardinals did make
the place, but we're still talking. So yeah, if we're
looking at Brissette's performance, the volume, the volume still says
he's doing a good job. It does. The numbers don't lie.
He's being very efficient. When you look at the big picture,
(18:33):
the passing game looks better. And so I like, you
can't say Jacoby's playing poorly. But if you look at
the team that like, between Kyler and Jacoby, the fourth
quarter's been the same because the coaches are doing the
same thing. Now, what I do love about and this
is the thing personally, and I put this out on
(18:56):
x and and got some heat from some people, and like,
I still believe in Kyler Murray. Like apples to apples,
I want to see Kyler behind the same offensive line
with with Will Hernandez playing a full game and with
Petsing calling the same type of plays, having the same
(19:18):
offensive philosophy that he's had in the three games with Brissette.
Because we know that the run game philosophy has been different.
Rather than forcing the run game early, they're using the
run game sporadically and then they're using at the end
of games because they don't have James Connor and Trey
Benson to lean on. That's that's been that's been Petsing's
(19:42):
crutch the whole time. Is like when they need something,
they lean on Connor, and that wasn't good this year.
So I personally, I'd be more comfortable with saying Brissett
moving forward if I could see Kyler one time behind.
Because if we look at the Tennessee game, the first
half when Will Hernandez was in the game, they scored
(20:03):
three touchdowns in four drives and so and things fell
apart after he came out, and so it seems odd
that going from Isaiah Adams to Will Hernandez was really
the difference. But look at the offense. Look at the
offense overall. Since Will Hernandez got back, it's now been
(20:28):
it's now been sixteen quarters, fourteen of which he's been
in the game. The fourteen quarters he's been in the game,
you've had twelve very good offensive quarters. You've had two
mmm and then the two that he was not in
the game against Tennessee was disastrous. Who was disastrous, And
(20:52):
so I would I'd like to see that. That said,
Jacoby's playing very well. I do have one major concern,
one major worry that is just the number of hits.
And and that's one of the things that people love
is that he's staying in the pocket, he's taking those hits.
I'm like, Murray might not do that. You're right, but
you know what, if he is, he is he not
(21:14):
making the plays though? Is he getting out and making
plays with his legs? Is he making plays on those
throws or or or is it really Brissett's But the
problem is he was sacked another five times last night.
He took another eleven hits. That makes thirty five hits
in three games that Brissett has taken and there are
some he looked banged up after some of those hits.
(21:39):
So I don't know if what he's doing is sustainable
for his health. That said, I can't complain about what
he's done, but we find themselves the defense playing a
little better. And yeah, so before anything else about Brissett,
specifically before before were bumping onto the next topic.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
No, no, I think, like you said, it's it's the
right move for the time and we'll see how it works.
And there are, you know, honest concerns that need to
be shared. And again it's not necessarily with Brissette's play
it's how long is the hit sustainable for? Because, like
(22:24):
you said, like the three games, it's it's an astonishing
amount of hits thus far, so.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Many coming up next to the Rise of Receiver podcast,
Best Our Cardinals talk on the wad. Let's move a
little bit to the rest of the offense, the rest
of the playoffensively? What are the good things we saw
that's coming? Next time? Riceups you read back on the
Rise of Secret podcast, Best Are Cardinals Talk All the way?
The Cardinals beat the Dallas Cowboys twenty seven to seventeen.
The offense looked much better. They had three hundred and
forty yards. They outgained the Cowboys. They went seven for
(22:51):
thirteen on third down. The Jacoby Brissett had two hundred
and sixty one passing yards. They ran for one hundred
and nineteen yards. You know, there are things to like,
I mean, the other things to like. You you obviously
have to like the play of Marvin Harrison in the
first half, and like, did it seem like after the
scathing criticism from Marvin Harrison's senior on that story by
(23:18):
Josh Waine Fissover at ESPN. So then suddenly, oh, now
we're gonna We're gonna feed Harrison. We're gonna feed him
and he had was it I think it was two targets.
Maybe maybe it was just a one target in the
second half, but no, it was two targets because one
one win incomplete, so we had two targets in the
second half. He went six six catches and eight targets
(23:40):
in the first half. Uh. He And what I loved
was the way he was playing. And what have we
been saying? You gotta feed receivers like that so they
keep the intensity up. And that's exactly what we saw.
We saw a receiver that looked like he was feeling himself,
like that's what we want to see. The touchdown when
he put Durra bland on, Oh my gosh, that that
(24:03):
move at the goal line the easiest touchdown you could
have ever seen, you know, sent Deron Bland to the
ground just fumbling his ankles and then Ceedee Lamb on
the sideline. Does you could see it in Ceedee Lamb's eyes.
The reaction to that was wow. It was both like
that was cool and oh my gosh, that my teammate
was that was on my teammate. But I loved the
(24:29):
the focus on Harrison early, but like you said, like
what why did they not go back to him in
the second half?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, And it's just it's a it's the continued a
nundrum that we've we've had with this offensive game plan.
And don't get me wrong, I don't mind going to
Trey McBride. I don't mind the big play to Michael Wilson.
But also you know, I see I see people say
things like, oh, you know, the receivers are going to
(24:58):
be so much happier with with that game or or
with him there. It's like there's no difference in what
was happening with with Trey, right, like the targets or
the targets. The bigger difference is the usage down the
(25:21):
field and something we've talked about and and these guys
getting chances to compete down the field h more often
and not running now screens and things like that and
too to the detriment of of the series. Uh and
(25:42):
and more than that, to me, it's it's looking at
what happened with Marvin the first half and just again,
why is this not a consistent.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Like I don't know, maybe maybe you and I are crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Maybe that's what it is. Well, we see what other
teams do with their big time receivers. They feed them
the ball. Is what is Joe Flacco doing in Cincinnati's
like Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase, like in Minnesota, get the
ball to Justin Jefferson like when you've got the receiver
like Seattle, Jackson Smith and jigbuk Like they're giving him
(26:23):
the ball all the time. So yeah. Another thing that
was really it was really positive was the use of
the run game in the efficiency. Now, granted, Dallas not
good defensively, but in the absence of a James Connor
and Trey Benson, the run game complimented the passing game perfectly,
(26:47):
and the and Dan to see a Mario de Marcado
have himself a really nice game. He ended up with
fourteen carries for seventy nine yards. He had he had
three or four really nice runs. It was good to
see him make plays. And the fact that they could
run the ball in the second half a little bit
(27:09):
to make some plays and you know, to get one
hundred and nineteen yards without Kyler Marie as you were
as your best runner. I thought that was really nice
as well. It was great to see Michael Wilson get involved,
like the fifty yard play again. But you know, who's
(27:30):
to say that wouldn't happen with Kyler because that's secondary
that Dallas secondary is something else. But you got contributions
from lots of people. You've got one, two, three, for
five six players catching passes. Now, here's the thing with
when Kyler was playing, that was never a problem there.
He regularly had seven, eight to nine different players catching passes.
(27:51):
It's just we weren't getting the volume from guys we wanted.
And so nineteen nineteen of Jacoby Brissette's targets, his passing
attempts went to Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride. That's right
about right. You know, we're looking at about two thirds
of the targets. Anywhere between fifty percent to two thirds
(28:12):
of the targets we believe should be going in those
two players direction. And I think that's kind of why
it worked. Elijah Higgins. If you listen to me on
my prop, I'm doing the over one and a half
catches for Elijah Higgins. You catch that is he got
three catches in the first half. But yeah, lots lots
of good that's the major concern is is is what
(28:34):
Jacoby's doing, the hits he's taken, is that sustainable, especially
when we come up against a defense like Seattle, any
anything of note offensively, you'd like to point out that
was that was positive?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, I mean I think you have to look at
and I know people would be like, well, six sacks,
that was a lot. I wasn't overly concerned with the
pass blocking beach him had a rough night, but again,
you're asking him to play tight end and come in
in those situations where it's obvious that you know, I
(29:09):
mean I literally was sitting there, as you know, screaming like.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What are we doing? Like he had a couple of
really bad whiffs.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Man, he did, but like, again, we're putting a guy
in a position that he's never blocked from before, right
because he's playing tight end as an extra guy and
you're running play action and they don't respect the play action.
And that's something that you know, I tweeted out a
(29:38):
couple of times, right like like guys, they don't they
don't respect your play action, like you have to throw
the ball. I get it, like you want to run
play action and stuff like that. But I think four
of the sacks came on play action plays and it's
not on anybody, right, I don't blame the I don't
blame the line, I don't blame the I don't blame
the quarterback. And I think they put three of the
(30:02):
five sacks on Jacoby, which is I would disagree with.
But it's also you know, it's tough, and so those
are Yeah, that's how I would look at it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Cobout. Next on the Rise of Seret podcast, Bestar Cardinal's
Talk on the Web. One of my favorite things to
happen out of this game, Walter Nolan. Let's talk about
the first round pick and his NFL debut. That's coming
a next one, Rise of s Red You're Pack On
the Rise of Secret podcast, Bestar Cardinals Talk on the Web. Uh,
Walter Nolan. I said for months, Walter Nolan's rookie year
(30:41):
is cooked because he didn't get any training camp. He's
gonna miss half the season, He's not gonna make much
of an impact. Ov Okay, okay, all right, that I'll
take that l my goodness, But but I don't even
know Nolan. Walter Nolan in one game, like in his
(31:02):
second snap, like he was impactful. Immediately that was impressive.
I was that that was one of the biggest things.
And if if this is more than just a flash
of his first game, the Cardinals defense got a big,
big boost. Well, and that's just it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know. We talked about how in those three games
the defense let them down so much, right, and and
to see them come out, especially against an offense that
had played so well at home, and they'd play well
on the road too, I don't want to take anything
away from but like this was a juggernaut offense at home, right, Well,
(31:43):
you and I talked about it on the on.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
The party in their three previous home games.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And so for the Cardinals to hold them to their
second lowest point total of the season at at home
obviously is a huge deal. Their total yard was the
third lowest of the season, you know, and those that
(32:09):
made a difference. And so when you look at it
from that perspective, it's just they've they didn't have the
bodies in some of those games.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
We talked about the Darius Robinson absence, uh, and again
he wasn't like he was great, but he's just a
rotational guy. Then, right, like they have another body, Walter
Nolan had a great, great game. He only had to
play thirty seven snaps, Like those are the things that
we talked about, you know. And you look at fifty
(32:41):
one snaps between Nolan and Darius Robinson and and the
biggest thing in that is not that they played and
by the way, Nolan played excellent, not that they played outstanding,
but what it did was they took up snaps from guys.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
DJ mus got what six snaps of the game, Yeah,
instead of pjs must and NLS who was inactive.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Right and so and And the reason that's important is
because what happened late in the game, Kalays Campbell gets
two sacks, right, and and you and I have talked
about this. Kalais is playing the exact same amount of
snaps basically every game, you know, percentage wise, things of
that nature. Basically every game they use him in pass
(33:36):
rush situations. By the way, in the in three of
the five losses, he played ten or more run defense snaps.
In the other five games on the season, he's played
less than ten defensive running snaps. Like he's here to
(33:58):
be an interior pass rusher. And so when when teams
are like, oh we got Clayis on the field, let's
run the ball, and again not Kalais's fault, but like
you you know, you're able to kind of take advantage
of one the age too. You know, that lateral mobility.
It's like you saw the explosiveness up the field, right,
(34:18):
but it's the lateral mobility that's that's not as elite
as it once was. And you saw that he missed
a tackle in the backfield right on Javonte Williams. Dravonte
Williams put a great move on him and gained like
ten yards and so those are the little things. And
so then on top of that, then Walter Nolan playing
(34:39):
you know almost elite was was just.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Thirty seven snaps, four tackles, two tackles for loss, a
quarterback hit in a sack, and then the pass break up,
the tipped pass. That's that was in one game, nearly
as much production as Darius Robinson had for his entire
rookie season. Right. That's and with Robinson's situation is different,
(35:07):
but it was great to see one that maybe his
rookie year isn't wasted because if he can do that
in one game, that will be fun to see late
in the year once he gets a few, you know,
some actual snaps under his belt and and some experience.
(35:29):
So that's that'll be fun to see moving forward. So
that that is that I was I was shocked. I
was amazed. And even on the place where he didn't
make plays, you still saw him like he was he was.
He jumped off the film like he jumped, like jumped
off the TV. Even on the on the plays where
(35:50):
he didn't make a play, like he was a problem,
which was really cool to see exactly. Uh And with
that come in an next Time Rises Year podcast Cardinals Talking,
who have us wrap this up? We're to talk about
the rest of the defense. Let's talk what we liked
defensively from the rest of the players. Is coming to
next to the rest of he read We're back on
(36:11):
the Rises Here podcast, Best our Cardinals talk on the web. Overall,
you have to like what the Cardinals did defensively against
that juggernaut out of an offense. So they got the takeaways,
they got pat they got sacks. Josh Sweat now up
to seven sacks in the season in eight games. That
contract looks great. He had two Not only that, but
(36:33):
he was productive and I think he had two socks
two sacks and five quarterback hits. Kalaias had the two sacks.
You know, I was disappointing because he got Garrett Williams
back in the lineup, and so you're like, finally the
secondary where you get Max and Garrett and will Johnson altogether.
(36:54):
And it lasted a half because Milton got a concussion
and had to leave the game for the second half,
and so you got Denzel Burke. But Denzel Burke made plays.
He had the pick at the end of the game.
He broke up that fourth down pass to Ceedee Lamb.
I mean, he had will Johnson doing good things. Garrett
Williams had a decent game back. It wasn't perfect, but
(37:17):
you could tell his presence was was noticed. Walter Nolan
doing his thing, Cody Simon filling in for for Mac
Wilson at the end of the game and getting the
force fumble that was there was a show out of
their of their young guys and the newcomers, newcomers in general.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Right, the Investments, right, like the young the young guys Simon,
Burt Nolan, Johnson, the Investments, sweat a Keem Davis Gaither
played probably his best game in the season. Those things
all made a difference in this game. And then and
then you have, you know, like you said, the return
(37:55):
of Garrett Williams, who we have joked but is their
most you know it vurianced and veteran presence in the secondary.
So so that was helpful.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
The biggest thing now is how they continue to to
kind of fix the als of consistency in the pass rush.
It wasn't bad by any means, right like, but three
of those sacks or was it two, I can't remember now,
but came in you know, desperation time, which was great
(38:29):
to see. You know, you never want to take stats away,
just like you won't say, you know, the Denzel Burke
interception was kind of it was what it was, but
you want to see more consistency from the pass rush.
That was one of the things I thought. And then
I you know, again the run defense. I don't know
(38:51):
if it was because they got up and weren't expecting
to see much in terms of rushing the ball from
from Dallas, but one hundred and twenty three yards rush.
And again, Javonte Williams is really good, you know, like
he's had.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
A he had a nice game like other like other
than the fumble was was a big deal. Yeah, fumble
was a big deal, but yeah he he ran the
ball well and and and really it came down to
the defense made the plays it needed to. Those two
fourth down stops were huge, But we might be having
a different conversation if Brian Schottenheimer doesn't go for it
(39:30):
on both those fourth downs.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Well, and we could be having a different I mean,
we talked about it early and again this there's nothing
to take away from what the Cardinals did. They won
that game, but three drops on the first drive, right,
think about that, like we drops on the first drive
from the Dallas Cowboys, two fumbles by reliable guys in
(39:52):
Jake Ferguson and Javonte Williams on kind of useless, meaningles
like fighting for extra yardage instead of just getting down.
Like all of that stuff added up to the Cardinals
having opportunities but not having having to worry as much
(40:13):
as they have in the past, and those things made
a difference. You know. The biggest takeaway from this game
to me is is the rush offense and defense like
that has to get better because even with wins like say,
they go like you can't not be able to run
the ball and give up so much in the running
game and expect to win. And then obviously we can
(40:36):
have a conversation about the special teams. It was not great,
but at the same time too, the fact that seven
of the seventeen points was from special teams does make
you feel even better about the defensive performance.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Right and you know, especially against that team. So while
there were things that you didn't love, the context of
what they did against the Cowboys was important because Dak
Prescott hadn't been sacked hardly at all. They got to
him five times, they hadn't been turning the ball over.
(41:15):
The Cardinals took the ball away three times. But at
the end of the day, the Cowboys are also kind
of in the same boat as the Cardinals. They're not
a good team. They're not a good team, and so
they are They're they're kind of a mess right now,
and so but kudos to to making the plays when
(41:36):
they needed to, to see their investments performing, To see
Walter Nolan break out in his debut, it's a I'll
take a win. I was shocked by it. And you know,
as as much as I would rather see Kyler Murray
doing this, we can't hate that Jacoby's doing it to
(41:59):
race questions. It raises questions about the future, but especially
because do we really think that I I don't believe
that what Brissette is doing is sustainable, but you know,
maybe it is. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah that I mean, that's a conversation for later on
once we have a little bit bigger of a sample size,
because you know, the production each game has gone down slightly,
not much, but slightly. And and again that the hits
are absurd at this point. Thirteen sacks, thirty thirty five
quarterback hits, like so many, that's in three games. That's like,
(42:42):
that's what's concerning right.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, that's the main thing.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Well, with that, we will wrap up this edition of
the Rest of Seriit podcast Bestar of Cardinals. Talk of
the Evitts that we got to talk about, Like there's controversy,
but there's it's not a it's not a dumpster fire.
We didn't think the Cardinals had a chance to win
that game. The Cowboys gave them that chance. They've now
won eight out of the last nine against Dallas. They
(43:07):
continue to win in Dallas, and next up this week
we've got Seattle a very very critically important game, koby
Ver said a quarterback. The schedule of our show should
go as normal. Seth and I will preview the game
later this week. I hope to get cole muskgrove on
(43:28):
to do our opponents show and with that that'll wrap
up this edition of the Risers Here Podcast. Best of
the Best start of Cardinals Talk of the Web. That's
Seth Cox, I'm just rude. Thanks for listening. As always,
we'll be back again soon.
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